Idol Headlines for 06/09/07

I liked the next line in that Kellie Pickler article.

“There’s no mansion yet, but Pickler has the Mercedes, it’s black”

Nice taste Pickler. I’m sure she will be getting that mansion she wants as well. At 20 years old she has plenty of time before worrying about a big commitment like that.

Wow, I’m so glad Fantasia’s doing so well as Celie in “The Color Purple”! I knew she was good in the part, but I had now idea how good….

Good for Kellie as well. I found her a little annoying on the show but she was so funny afterwards with a brilliant sense of humor on her red carpet interviews that I could easily see what was so great about her.

Speaking of funny, yay for Paula! Love her “Simon screams his own name during sex”, etc. Heh.

I didn’t find Kellie annoying on the show at all. I did find the comedy on the show pretty cheesy when it came to what the producers put forth but then Kellie can’t be held responsible for what those hacks do.

If interview polish is any clue, Elliott Yamin can put on a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹partyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

I’ve always loved how Elliott handles himself in interviews – definitley part of his charm.

Most Missed in Milwaukee

It’s pretty good to be a Milwaukeean right now. The Brewers are in the midst of their best season since 1987 with 25W, 11L, and Wisconsin’s former governor is running for President (even if he is crashing and burning). And now that the news is out that a local TV anchor is dating former “American Idol” champion Taylor Hicks, all the Brews of Brewville will be trying to spot him at Summerfest, the yearly music festival which runs for eleven days at the end of June. Will Taylor lean toward “Grey’s Anatomy” favorites The Fray, local boys the Violent Femmes or apparently-still-together ’80s hitmakers Arrested Development? Or maybe he’ll be partying at one of these places:

Jaunted.com

I didn’t find Kellie annoying on the show either. But I do like her better off the show. She and Bucky are two people I would love to just hang out with for they crack me up.

I was annoyed with Kellie because I thought she was putting on a big act. However, last fall I met someone who actually taught Kellie in high school and was told that none of it was an act… that was the real Kellie. I think she’s cute and funny and has a great career in tv.

At a $1,000 bucks a pop to attend the Stax 50th reunion concert on June 22, guess that rules out my chances of attending I hope the concert will be recorded and that Stax will sell DVD/CD’s of the event. Man, I’d buy it.

Jordin has a tough row to hoe as a Christian entering the mainstream music field. It will be interesting to see how she is marketed by the PTB.

I missed the IGB episode where Kelly C. did Patty Griffin’s song with Jeff Beck…dang! I really admire Kelly for sticking to her artistic principles even though it has meant less earnings for her.

The rumor is that 19E/M(?) have signed Blake but not Jordin (who will be managed by her parents.) If that’s true, Blake will get the DAUGHTRY treatment and Jordin will not. I have no idea if these rumors are true but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were. So who in their right mind will want to win American Idol Season 7?

Jordin will be managed by her parents? Well, this should be interesting!

Jordin will be managed by her parents? Well, this should be interesting!

This will not end well.

A Capacity Crowd

Published June 9, 2007

It apparently was Daughtry who brought record crowds to the festival Friday, prompting Riverfest officials to close down the gate about 9 p.m….

By the time the gates were shutdown, the crowd was the largest ever at the festival, Shannon said.

http://www.gadsdentimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070609/NEWS/706090326/1017/NEWS

The rumor is that 19E/M(?) have signed Blake but not Jordin (who will be managed by her parents.) If thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s true, Blake will get the DAUGHTRY treatment and Jordin will not. I have no idea if these rumors are true but I wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be surprised if they were. So who in their right mind will want to win American Idol Season 7?

hmmmm….I was wondering if the holdup on a big signing annuoncement for Jordin had to do with the ‘rents being difficult. After all she is only 17 *ahem*. TPTB have to negotiate with Philipe, who’s had some showbiz like experience of his own.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to keep control of Jordin’s career. However, her parents managing her would not result in Jordin becoming a huge mainstream star. She’d more than likely end up as a Christian artist, like Mandisa.

Well, if Blake ends up getting the Daughtry treatment I’ll be incredibly happy for my TeamPlaid fans here at MJ’s. I truly hope that’s how it all shakes out. I wasn’t a huge Blake fan but I am really curious to see what kind of music he puts out.

Just to clarify again…

19E – Entertainment

19M – Management

19R – Recordings

All completely different entities with completely different functions.

That’s an interesting rumor about Jordin. I just don’t think it’s a good idea for parents to manage her career although of course they would have some say since she’s only 17. Thanks for the clarification, Hezzer. I was always confused by whether they’re signing a management or recording contract.

Yes, Hezz, thanks for the clarification. I never quite got all that either. I don’t think parents managing is a good idea either. It always makes me think about Arnold from Different Strokes…

I was always confused by whether theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re signing a management or recording contract.

It depends. In the case of Daughtry, he signed both. Taylor signed with 19R to record his album, but is managed by The Firm rather than 19M.

That’s what confused me, MJ. I knew that Chris signed with them and Taylor didn’t but hadn’t really figured out that they also had a separate recording division.

Valley, the festival that Daughtry played at here in Dallas had a similar situation. I heard afterward that there were record crowds. Fyi, if sites make you register you can check at bugmenot.com to see if they have a username/password. I use them a lot because I hate registering one time for anything.

BILLBOARD MAGAZINE REVIEWS “HEAVEN KNOWS”

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/content_display/reviews/singles/e3if6219759863b5ce951b364c50b1df3dc

Production by Matt Serletic, A-level songwriters, live jam band and a melody line from Marvin Gaye’s 1965 “Ain’t That Peculiar.” On paper, 2006 “American Idol” winner Taylor Hicks’ follow-up to adult top 40 top 20 “Just to Feel That Way” sounds triumphant. But a Southern rock delivery could be a deterrent to contemporary radio. If anything, yokel “Heaven Knows” harks back to mid-’70s classic rock. The song is truly tailored to Hicks’ intrinsic vocal styleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ and therein may lie a fatal flaw with programmers. As this season of “A.I.” peaks, the question looms: Despite 25 million consistent TV viewers, does FM radio regard “A.I.” winners with respect the morning (or season) after? à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ Chuck Taylor

My two cents — this review is as much a statement of the state of today’s music as it is about the song HEAVEN KNOWS.

My first time posting. :smile1_ee: I agree that parents shouldn’t manage their kids. Hopefully they would be able to find someone they could trust to manage Jordan.

Blake getting signed to 19 means that he will have an album out by Christmas- but he is unlikely to get good promotion. Chris D. did not have good promotion- granted he didn’t need it. But 19 is notorious for thinking that will sell on their own because they came off of Idol.

Until Season 5 the winner HAD to sign with 19M for management and 19Recordings (in conjunction with BMG) for their records.

Something happened last season that drastically changed that.

Regarding the Billboard review, here’s what I don’t get. Does Amy Winehouse have a contemporary sound? I say no, no, no. But she’s exploding right now.

And hi SummerBreeze! I immediately thought of the song when I saw your screenname!

Go DAUGHTRY!!

Largest crowds EVER at Riverfest!

I don’t think parents managing is a good idea either. Diana DiGarmo and Vonzell Solomon are both managed by their parents, both excellent singers and where are they now? True, Diana has done a lot of theater, Vonzell not much of anything other then local stuff. Those gals were too talents and gorgeous not to have gotten more out of their Idol exposure which makes me think parents as managers isnt so good.

I don’t know if truly Jordin will be managed by her parents. I suspect since she is seventeen that the management team, whomever it ends up being, must get approval from her parents until she reaches 18.

It will be interesting to see who manages Jordin and Blake in the end.

In terms of DAUGHTRY getting not the best promotion in the beginning, I agree it definitely wasn’t the best but I think is was APPROPRIATE since Chris came in 4th place and Taylor was the winner and Taylor SHOULD get BETTER promotion.

Jordin won and should get the BEST promotion in the beginning. But to be honest, it seems like TPTB are treating Jordin and Blake as “co-winners” right now which isn’t cool. Taylor got great promotion at this stage of the game right after he won American Idol. He was every where as he should have been.

I heard Blake on local (Philippine) radio today. “This Love” came on and I gave a little squee upon realizing it’s Blake’s version. It sounded good.

I don’t know how to classify Amy Winehouse’s sound, but I love it.

Welcome, SummerBreeze.

Blake is definitely being managed by 19. He talks about it in an interview here (scroll down a bit). He says he’s going to be flown out to record on off days during the tour too, and mentions a Thanksgiving release date for his CD. I think I read somewhere that Jordin’s going to be recording on her off days too…

lg, here’s Kelly with Jeff Beck on Idol Gives Back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KFQbZMO7fg

Happy Saturday everyone!!!

Thanks for the explanation of 19E, 19M, and 19R – I am still confused by all of it though.

It sounds like things are going great for Blake so far. I can see him becoming very successful with his unique sound if he is allowed to play up his strengths, but who knows what they will make him do?

Even though I don’t have an AI tour coming near me, I am getting excited to hear what they will sing and how it will be structured this year since I see Sanjaya as being the big star, with Blake and Melinda next. I can’t wait to read recaps here!

Hez – I just checked chat and love the comment you left about the anon gabbers. LMAO and I totally agree. I won’t miss them at all!

Remember to donate if you can – chat is going to be so awesome!!!!

MJ rocks!!!!

Hey, what is going to happen to chat? I can’t get into it with the PC I’m using.

I think the rumor is that Jordin will not be managed by 19M but they will manage Blake. I don’t know about the recording side. I think last year neither Taylor or Kat were managed by 19M either because 19M passed or they wanted different management. However, I know Chris is managed by them. (I don’t know Kellie’s deal). I’m sure they also manage Carrie as until Season 5, they managed all the winners.

Based on their track record, I think Blake wins in this situation (for now). The rest of the rumor is that his recorded music will be very different from what he did on Idol (maybe more electronic.) Who knows if any of this is true.

Looks as if Phil Stacey is back to what he does best, being a soldier and a part time wedding singer. :undecided_tb:

Something happened last season that drastically changed that.

I don’t think it really has anything to do with last season. I think it might have a bit more to do with the fact that she is a minor..After all she is only “17.” And technically, her parents are her gaurdians. Since she does have a father who is in the Entertainment business, it may bode well for her to have him as her manager in the long run. A lot of top name singers do have their parents as their managers..USHER, although it was rumoured that he fired her, Bow Wow, Brandy, Beyonce..

Also, I do feel last season and this season were two completely different animals, as far as TPTB’s attitude towards the contestants are concerned. This season feels more like the way it use to be. The first and second place finishers were singed to 19M..

XO is right. Everyone keeps forgetting that 19M does not really have a very good track record, as far as these singers being treat like real artists and not just AI contestants. Something tells me that’s why Taylor and Kat did not sign with them. I know some are basking in the Chris’ “instant success” love but keep in mind that Kelly, Clay, Ruben, Fantasia, Justin, Diana, Tamyra and whomever else I’ve left off the list were all, at one point or another, signed to 19M. We already now the outcome of the majority of them.

Blake signing with 19M may get him some tv time on next season’s show but 19M does not seem to know what to do with these contestants once they step into the realm of being artist. They seem to believe that the exposure of the show and the show’s influence inside the industry should be enough to sell cds. The focus seems to be all about cd sales and not so much the artist. Maybe that’s why Chris did not really get a lot of tv face time but his cd was used quite a bit on a few affiliated shows as background music. The actual promoting of the individual singer as an artist leaves much to be desired, as far as 19M is concerned. Just ask Tamyra’s fans..

I think that Chris had quite a bit of tv time when promoting his album, Sexygirl. I seem to remember complaints from fans of Taylor about that although he obviously got much more press as the winner. It doesn’t really matter at this point whether 19M is the best thing or not but they did seem to make some good decisions with Chris including an early release date, single, and video. I hope that Blake will benefit the same way.

The last finalist to finish top 2 who was managed by parents was Diana DeGarmo (whom I love!!!), and we saw how that relationship worked out with Clive and TPTB. I think when you are on AI and you sign a contract it is time to get a REAL manager who has REAL connections.

I personally think that 19M in general is NOT very good at promotion. The Firm is better. I can see why Kelly left 19M for the Firm.

IMO, Chris got kind of crappy promotion in the beginning. It wasn’t until Chris signed with CAA under Jeff Frasco which happened after the CD was released during the Thanksgiving Holidays when the ball starting rolling for Chris. It was at that time that Simon Fuller put McIlwaine from 19M together with Jeff Frasco of CAA to work together to plot the band’s future when a “strategy” was put in place for the band.

Just because Blake is managed by 19M, doesn’t mean that he will get great promotion. Hopefully Simon Fuller will get him a good manager from 19M and hopefully Blake will get a great agent like Chris has at CAA.

Rollingstone’s lastest take on the AI finale (from page 9 of the June 14, 2007 issue):

JUST IN…..America Has Spoken

And in the most suspense-free finale ever, Jordin Sparks nabbed the America Idol crown. The strangest and lamest season of Idol to date wrapped up with Paula Abdul breaking her nose by tripping over her dog, Sanjaya Malakar duetting with Aerosmith’s Joe Perry, and Taylor Hicks singing “A Day in the Life” – an no one can say which is the biggest travesty. Even Green Day made the transition from American Idiot to American Idol, stopping by to lay their charity-album cover of “Working Class Hero.”

There are small pics of Jordin, Kelly C., and Green Day, and a larger pic of Sanjaya and Joe Perry.

I don’t know how to image this article and I couldn’t find it on rollingstone.com, so there’s no link. My apologies if this has already been posted by LisaB. :wink_ee:

Only two runner ups have been signed to 19M in the history of the show. Justin and Clay.

Diana DeGarmo was NOT signed by 19- she was managed by her Mother. Bo Bice was not signed by 19 either though I don’t recall who he ended up using as management. Last year Katharine was not signed to 19- her contract was bought out by Azoff Music Management.

I think that Chris had quite a bit of tv time when promoting his album, Sexygirl. I seem to remember complaints from fans of Taylor about that although he obviously got much more press as the winner. It doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really matter at this point whether 19M is the best thing or not but they did seem to make some good decisions with Chris including an early release date, single, and video. I hope that Blake will benefit the same way.

My post was not about Chris nor Taylor but 19M since that’s what the topic of postings were about.

One has to be honest to oneself when they look at the situation with 19M as far as how they handle all of these contestants. 19M is not a new management team. They have been around for a while. To believe that their success record could be measure by the success of two singers is a bit much.

From season one to this point, how many of those contestants have been signed to 19M? How many are still there? How many are having any real success outside of cd selling? How many of them are 19M really helping as an individual artist to break into their respective markets? Poor Tamyra. At least I will consider Chris and Carrie the lucky ones to have come on board at the time that they did. AI has become a real powerhouse since they paraded Tamyra across their stage almost every week believing that that would be enough to sell a few millions cds. Unfortunately, they haven’t changed much. Their ability to market and manage these contestants as individuals is a bit of a joke. Maybe if 19M did see these contestants as artists and not products from their show, they would market them better. It almost feel as if it’s become successful first then we will support you. Instead of the other way around. I belive that was one of Kelly’s biggest complaints why she left. They did not take care of her as an artist.

Since I don’t really follow the careers of either Carrie or Chris, I’m very curious to know if 19M is really managing them well as artist or are they just pushing their cds..

but keep in mind that Kelly, Clay, Ruben, Fantasia, Justin, Diana, Tamyra and whomever else Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve left off the list were all, at one point or another, signed to 19M.

The golden girl, Carrie Underwood?

I don’t personally give a f*ck who Blake is signed to management-wise OR record company-wise, as long as I have a cd in my hands by the end of the year. Sounds like I’ll get my wish, so I’m golden. It’s up to his management company, whoever they may be, to do the rest.

I think some are forgetting that Blake is not stupid. If he told the producers to f*ck off during the course of the show, I doubt he’s going to be really open to someone screwing him over management-wise. Just saying.

Diana DeGarmo was NOT signed by 19- she was managed by her Mother. Bo Bice was not signed by 19 either though I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t recall who he ended up using as management. Last year Katharine was not signed to 19- her contract was bought out by Azoff Music Management.

So Kat was brought out? Thanks for the info..I knew Diana and Kat did not sign but did not follow Bo’s career after the show.

I’m a bit curious as to who’s responsible for managing those who host those Idol Specials like the Idol Red Carpet events and Idol Watch. Are they managed by 19E/M also?

Sexygirl, the problem is they can parade Tamyra around all they want, but if the cd does not pass muster, that parading around doesn’t help. Her cd was NOT good. Period.

If he told the producers to f*ck off during the course of the show, I doubt heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to be really open to someone screwing him over management-wise. Just saying.

Did he really say that or was that rumoured?

I think some are forgetting that Blake is not stupid. If he told the producers to f*ck off during the course of the show, I doubt heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to be really open to someone screwing him over management-wise. Just saying.

The problem is, that is if 19 wants him there is absolutely nothing Blake can do about it but sign with 19- unless he can get a management company to buy out his contract like what happened with Taylor and Katharine.

if 19 wants him there is absolutely nothing Blake can do about it but sign with 19

Who ever said that he didn’t WANT to be with them in the first place?

And Blake said in a radio interview that he told the producers to f*ck off.

Sexygirl,

Great point! I think it would be interesting to see who is REALLY calling the shots for Carrie and Chris is terms of management for those two seem to be marketed as artists and not just fixtures of AI. I pointed out that it wasn’t until 19M teamed with CAA when the ball started rolling for Chris/DAUGHTRY.

Don’t know who specifically is managing Carrie expect it is 19M. That person may have teamed with someone else as well, similar to Chris.

Very important, promotion is necessary but it isn’t the end all of course.

Wow Blake already telling producers to F*ck off. He better be careful or else he will get a crappy reputation as someone difficult to work with. If that happens, TPTB will try to undermine him covertly (and sometimes overtly) to make sure he knows who is REALLY calling the shots.

Look what is happening to Kelly Clarkson…

I may be a Chris and Blake fan but really their management is their business. Like Sarah I really only care that I can get a cd. Of course I want them to be successful but can’t stress about the details.

Someone here posted that Tamyra had a real attitude with Clive & the record company that that impacted things. I don’t remember the details but it sounds like she believed Simon when he said she’d be a superstar. Whether that’s true or not, I did like her on the show and am glad she’s been able to pursue acting.

Squishy, these are the producers that didn’t want Blake to do Time of the Season or You give love a bad name.

I really wish people understood contract law.

Bean, and the same ones who wanted him to do “Jive Talkin’”. If nothing else, he’s gonna stand up for his artistry.

Blake got the rep with Nigel early of being a hard-headed, strong-willed, rebel bad boy. I don’t think Nigel really liked him to begin with. He was almost never complimentary of him in his publicized comments. Simon, on the other hand… different story. Whether Simon just sees the marketability potential or actually “gets” it, I dunno. But it was pretty obvious that Simon appreciated him.

Now now hez. What good would an understanding of contract law do?

hezzer19
Jun 9th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
I really wish people understood contract law.

I am beginning to suspect that some people just don’t want to understand…

I didn’t know that Nigel may not have liked Blake. If that is the case, Blake may not be on AI next season. It may be a good thing for him.

Ohhhh the gabbers are pissed at my comment. Sadly I cannot seem to get in there to respond. I can only read it, which I must say is entertaining enough on its own. Is anyone else having trouble?

I had problems yesterday Hezz, took me an age to log in.

Think there’s a meltdown party going on, will try and join in later. :lol_tb:

hezzer19 – I just went into chat and posted something – no trouble.

We’re being psychoanalyzed in chat. Which is pretty hilarious.

Psychoanalzyed by psychos.

Actually, I’m having trouble logging in there too. I may wind up taking it down for a bit.

Hmmm Paula. It won’t let me change my name or post. It let’s me read though. hee hee. And yes indeed Lisa there is something going on lol. Nerves perhaps? Oh well, I won’t bog up the news thread with a discussion of chat. Sorry MJ.

hezzer19 – I didn’t sign in with my name – just with gabber403. Nobody has replied to me, and it’s been more than five minutes. I just changed to my name and it was accepted. Not posting again, though.

I just took chat down for a bit, since I can’t log in. I might put it back up in a few hours.

I can’t get into chat either but can read it. It is a completely vile mess. Tempted to copy and paste some then came to my senses. :blink_tb:

ETA: I just missed MJ’s comment, which explains why I can’t even read it now.

I just took chat down for a bit, since I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t log in. I might put it back up in a few hours.

The mental health lines will be ringing off the hook!

Wha? Have the terrorists figured out a way to hack chat to keep us from getting in? lmao.

Psychoanalyzed by psychos, indeed. (*mumbles* and I was even a psych major. lmao.)

squishy
Jun 9th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Go DAUGHTRY!!

Largest crowds EVER at Riverfest!

Nice little gig. Perhaps next year he can play at New Orleans Jazzfest. Their crowd totaled 1/2 million for 2 weekends.

Is there a magic way to enter/read Chat. I click on it but getting nowhere. Of course, my computer is screwed up today as well. Chat looks different.

Chat is down temporarily due to an infestation. .

Chat is down temporarily due to an infestation. .

Fire ants?

Do I spy a can of Raid???

I guess if you want to think that attracting the largest crowd ever at Riverfest is a “nice little gig”…LOL!

Daughtry will not be playing at the New Orleans Jazzfest but they will be performing at the Sturgis motorcyle annual event which attacts similar numbers.

Regarding the Billboard review, hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get. Does Amy Winehouse have a contemporary sound?

A resounding NO, which is a good thang :thumbup_tb: I love it that Amy is number six on the current top 200.

hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Kelly with Jeff Beck on Idol Gives Back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KFQbZMO7fg

Thanks, star!

Blake has a contemporary sound, so I don’t think being managed by 19M should be a problem (if indeed they will be managing him). He seems savvy and is probably already used to promoting his music via internet channels. I like it that he stands up for himself.

I think the Daughtry team has done an excellent job with promotion…start out playing smaller venues, build more buzz, graduate to opening for big name acts…and maybe one day headlining venues.

Since Jordin’s still a minor, it will be very interesting to see what Papa Sparks has in mind.

Thanks Hezzer for the 19 division breakdown. Makes dissection and understanding a lot simpler.

And welcome, SummerBreeze

I love Amy Winehouse! That “Rehab” song is Hot!!!

I found this over at TWOP but it is a quote from the AI contract regarding signings of the contestants:

“2.19 Prior to selecting the label to be the Nominated Label for any Finalist other than a Winning Artist 19 shall contact Labels and shall be entitled to be contacted by Labels to determine each Labelà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s interest in being a Nominated Label for the Finalist concerned. 19 agrees to consult the Labels and attend meetings with executives from the Labels. Interested Labels which wish to become the US Licensee for any Finalist shall declare their interest in such Finalist by notice from the Label to 19 at any time up to 7 days after the transmission in USA of final episode of the Series concerned PROVIDED THAT upon if expiry of such seven (7) day period no Label has declared its interest 19 shall promptly notify Syco in writing that such period has expired and the said seven (7) day period shall be extended so that interested Labels may declare their said interest to become US Licensee in respect of a particular Finalist within five (5) business days from 19à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s said notice. 19 shall make its selection of the Nominated Label for each Finalist from those Labels formally declaring their interest within 21 days after the final episode of the Series concerned. 19 shall act reasonably and in good faith in exercising its right of selection and shall take into account the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“genreà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and style of music of the Finalist concerned and the interested Labels and shall not seek to persuade any Label to vary the financial provisions of the USA Licence for the benefit of 19 (but if any Label of their own volition offers more favourable provisions 19 shall not be in breach of this obligation (and similarly Syco and Sony BMG shall not be in breach of clause 2.20 by preventing such actions)). If 19 fails or refuses to make its selection within such time period then Syco shall be entitled to nominate and select the Label to be the Nominated Label in place of 19. If only one Label declares an interest in a Finalist, 19 shall select that Label as Nominated Label. If no Label declares an interest in the Finalist concerned

19 shall be free to licence recordings by that Finalist to a third party subject to the matching rights procedure herein.

2.20 Syco and Sony BMG agrees that each Label shall be free to contact 19 in relation to Winning Artists and Finalists of each Series of American Idol in respect of which Syco exercises an option pursuant to clauses 2.2, 2.5, 2.8, 2.11 and 2.14 above. Syco and Sony BMG further agree that they will act in good faith and not frustrate 19à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s freedom to select and nominate.”

http://contracts.onecle.com/ckx/american-i…005.11.28.shtml

So if I’m reading this right 19 ultimately decides where each contestant goes.

Thanks for the “cliffnote” sentence at the end!

Regarding the Billboard review, hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get. Does Amy Winehouse have a contemporary sound?

The answer is YES YES YES. Amy Winehouse has a contemporary sound, she uses a lot of throw back sampling and sounds but her sound is very much current. Especially the drumming.

If I’m reading that right it’s a 19R contract which has nothing to do with a 19M contract. Plus it almost seems like a contract between 19R and 19E. Without reading the whole thing it’s impossible to tell.

But to comment, we have no idea if it’s valid or, if it is, what year it is from. If it is the leaked copy from season one it is safe to assume that that contract has been overhauled several times.

We have always assumed that yes, 19R has first dibs on signing the artists to their recording division. It’s the management division that has often been in question. It is a massive conflict of interest to have a recording contract and a management contract within the same corporate umbrella.

Again, without reading the entire contract, including how they have defined all the terms used in the quoted selection, we still do not know the whole picture and should therefore not make assumptions.

But then again, what do I know.

yeah, clauses in a contract can alter nothing hezz…come on!!!

Well, well, well…congratulations, XO, you might well have found the mother lode.

Well this is interesting…This is how the contract posted above starts:

THIS AGREEMENT is made this 28th day of November 2005

BETWEEN:

(1) 19 RECORDINGS LIMITED of 33 Ransomeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Dock, 35-37 Parkgate Road, London SW11 4NP (à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“19à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ) and

(2) 19 TV LIMITED OF 33 Ransomeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Dock, 35-37 Parkgate Road, London SW11 4NP (à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“19 TVà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ) and

(3) SIMCO LIMITED trading as SYCO MUSIC of Bedford House, 69-79 Fulham High Street, London SW6 3JW (à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Sycoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ) and

(4) CKX UK HOLDINGS LIMITED of 100 New Bridge Street, London EC4V 6JA (à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“CKXà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ) and

(5) 19 ENTERTAINMENT LIMITED of 33 Ransomeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Dock, 35-37 Parkgate Road, London SW11 4NP (à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“19 Entertainmentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ).

(6) SONY BMG MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT (UK) LIMITED of Bedford House, 67-69 Fulham High Street, London SW6 3JW (à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Sony BMGà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ).

WHEREAS

And here is the link for the whole thing.

http://contracts.onecle.com/ckx/american-idol.lic.2005.11.28.shtml

The contract is dated 11/28/05. It was written after AI4- so it is fairly current. The entire thing can be read here:

http://contracts.onecle.com/ckx/american-idol.lic.2005.11.28.shtml

Okay, this clause is from an Agreement dated November 28, 2005, between the following parties:

19 Recordings Limited
19 TV Limited
Simco Limited
CKX UK Holdings Limited
19 Entertainment Limited
Sony BMG Music Entertainment (UK) Limited

If the link works, you can read the contract in its entirety at:
http://contracts.onecle.com/ckx/american-idol.lic.2005.11.28.shtml

I’ve only skimmed it, but it appears that this is the renegotiation among the above parties occasioned by the expiration of Simon Cowell’s contract after AI4, and is tied to his continuing participation for Idol through AI9.

And there is this:

10.9 à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Labelà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  shall mean each label entity or division wholly owned by Sony BMG Music Entertainment Group in the USA from time to time including Arista, Columbia, Epic, J Records, Jive, LaFace, RCA, RCA Victor, RLG Nashville, Sony Music Nashville, Sony Urban Music, Provident Integrity and Verity.

Nevada of course you and I would immediately go and read it and then post the same thing. lmao.

I wonder if the gabbers still think I’m stupid. Prolly. *grin*

I didn’t know that Amy Winehouse’s “Rehab” song was based upon Simon Fuller, who is the head of her former management company, trying to get her to go to rehab but “no, no, no”.

And not one single contract posted on that site has anything to do with the contestents themselves.

*sigh* The argument lives to see another day.

Excellent find XO. *smiles* These contracts are very interesting to read.

The answer is YES YES YES. Amy Winehouse has a contemporary sound, she uses a lot of throw back sampling and sounds but her sound is very much current. Especially the drumming.

She uses a lot of brass in her music that gives it a very throw-backy vibe. I think it’s current more for its edginess, irreverance and contemporary cultural themes (rehab?) but the music has an old-school r&b/soul sound.

hezzer19
Jun 9th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
And not one single contract posted on that site has anything to do with the contestents themselves.

*sigh* The argument lives to see another day.

Sigh, indeed. I was hopeful for a moment there, but you are right, Hez…all of these contracts are between the big boys.

I understand all the players except for Simco Limited/Syco Music. What are they — recording? publishing?

What relation is Syco, if any, to 19R? I am assuming there is one.

I alwaya assumed that 19R had an integral role, together with Clive and such players, in deciding what label a contestant recorded under. This seems to confirm that they actually have the final say, if they want it, when there is interest from more than one Sony (and Syco??) label.

hezzer19
Jun 9th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Nevada of course you and I would immediately go and read it and then post the same thing. lmao.

That possibility occurred to me, but like a lamb to the slaughter, I can never resist reviewing a contract.

Nevada LMAO neither can I.

I guess there really are a lot of fake lawyers on this blog eh Nevada?

RSF…

“(B) Syco is the owner and creator of the X Factor Format and has agreed to grant to 19 TV an interest and ownership participation in the X Factor Format on the terms set out herein.”

I just thought it was interesting that it appears that 19 can choose the label for the contestants.

I wish it was more about the contestants too- but it’s something interesting to read.

RightsaidFred,

What is that suppose to mean? I don’t give you shit. Don’t give me shit. That ain’t cool and I don’t appreciate it.

Syco is basically Simon Cowell, RSF, both legally and phonetically.

It was a light hearted snark on your highly-focused devotion Squishy, that’s all. I think you know that.

I would have used a smiley thing but real men don’t use smilies.

I trued, but failed, to delete the comment that was so offensive to you. I would suggest to you that starting confrontations “ain’t cool.”

It makes sense to me that 19 decides what label is best for what Idol. They know the business.

XO it’s very interesting. I wasn’t being snarky. I’m really enjoying skimming the rest of the contracts on that site.

Um, it’s Saturday night and I’m hanging out at home reading contracts. Oh the gabbers will have fun with this little nugget won’t they.

hee hee :smoke_tb:

RightSaidFred,

I am not in the mood. I had a death in the NICU today and this place is allowing me to get my mind off it.

xoxoyc
Jun 9th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
I just thought it was interesting that it appears that 19 can choose the label for the contestants.

I wish it was more about the contestants too- but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s something interesting to read.

It is interesting, XO, and I appreciate you bringing it here. But as I interpret it, the labels are all Sony BMG labels…it’s a matter of choosing between J Records and RCA and Arista and Jive, etc.

They’re not entertaining offers from Warner or Universal or EMI or any of the indies.

hezzer19
Jun 9th, 2007 at 8:14 pm
I guess there really are a lot of fake lawyers on this blog eh Nevada?

I would almost be willing to be a fake lawyer if it would rid me of my student loans for law school.

I’d post a copy of my bar card, but I’d have to blank out the name & bar number, and then what would be the point of that?

Was it ever in question that 19R decided which artist was given to which label? I mean Carrie was not going to be given to Sony Urban was she? Was there ever a question that Chris was going to be given to Sony Music Nashville?

I don’t think it out of the realm of possibility that the ultimate decision might have been left up to Sony. I had suspected it wasn’t.

See now if this were chat I could have fun responding to that comment RSF. *sigh*

You’re scaring me hez.

:innocent1_tb:

Let’s see if this works, a nice little clause from an artist’s management contract (boilerplate):

“As consideration to you for your acceptance of this employment and for your agreement to perform your required services for me hereunder, I agree to pay you, as and when received by me, a sum equal to [insert] percent of all compensation (including salaries, earnings, royalties, bonuses, shares of profit and all other direct or indirect forms of income from my professional interests) earned and/or received by and/or accruing to me during the term hereof. As a further part of your consideration hereunder, I also agree to pay you, as and when received by me, a sum equal to the percentage set forth above in this paragraph of all compensation (as above defined) earned and/or received by and/or accruing to me after the expiration of the term hereof, for as long as I shall either directly or indirectly be employed or receive compensation under any employment or contracts entered into and negotiated for during the term of this agreement and/or under any renewal or extension of any such contracts and/or employment and/or under any employment and/or contracts entered into by me at any time in substitution or replacement of any employment or contracts entered into prior to the expiration of said term. Payment to you of the consideration specified in this paragraph is not conditioned on your obtaining employment for me, and said consideration shall be paid to you regardless of whether or not employment with respect to which the same is computed by you or by me or by anyone else.”

Which explains the total and complete conflict of interest for both 19R and 19M signing idol contestants, does it not Nevada.

This is gonna sound like a stupid question, but I haven’t been to law school, and I’m not gonna pretend, like some of you :wink1_tb: … Anyway, so basically the sole purpose of 19R in relation to AI finalists is to place them with whichever label at Sony/BMG that they feel fits the contestant best?

hezzer19
Jun 9th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Which explains the total and complete conflict of interest for both 19R and 19M signing idol contestants, does it not Nevada.

And yet they do still sign them to both when the spirit moves them…

Why are some of you not clear on Blake being managed by 19? The words come out of his own mouth in the interview I linked to on the first page. (Did I stutter?) And he sounds like he’s happy with it. He was “comfortable” with them during the show.

I know Nevada. That boggles my mind. It also goes to show that the contestants do not seek out independent legal advise before signing either contract. What people will do to become famous is astounding. They should all be forced to listen to Amos Lee’s Soul Suckers before appearing on American Idol.

And yes Sarah. 19R(ecordings) is sort of like the umbrella that all the labels are held under. At least that’s the way I understand it.

Sarah
Jun 9th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
This is gonna sound like a stupid question, but I havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t been to law school, and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not gonna pretend, like some of you à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Anyway, so basically the sole purpose of 19R in relation to AI finalists is to place them with whichever label at Sony/BMG that they feel fits the contestant best?

More or less. And to collect a share of the record label’s share of royalties.

Star no one is questioning that as far as I know. We are just speaking generally about AI contracts.

Nevada/Hezzer — do you want to translate that (in as few words as possible) into non-legaleze! My eyes just rolled back into my head after the word “whereas”.

hah

More precisely, 19 Recording is licensing the music rights to AI finalists to various Sony BMG labels. I think they might have handled the digital downloads on the official AI website this season as well, but I cannot recall where I read that.

Yes, they (19R) do handle the digital AI product.

Oh in the contract it also mentioned 19R dealing with the compilation CD as well so the digital downloads would make sense.

Star no one is questioning that as far as I know. We are just speaking generally about AI contracts.

Yeah, I wasn’t talking about the contract discussion, it just seemed like some people before that didn’t seem to get it.

Don’t mind me, I’ve had a migraine all day, I just woke up, and I’m cranky. LOL.

I see chat is offline.

I have no desire to read all the legalese. LOL.

I think some of them probably do seek legal counsel, but the perceived benefits far outweigh the negatives.

Yes PJ that’s what I was getting at. Some of them will do anything for the chance.

*sending Star some Advil and a cup of tea*

Where’s chat! If I may, I’d like to display the emotions that I faced upon seeing that chat was unavailable.
:down_tb: :glurps_tb: :ponder_tb: :thumbdown_tb: :annoyed_tb: :wallbash_tb: :furious_tb: :sick_ee: :question_ee: :smoke_tb:

I’m going to attempt to put it back online, so hold on a minute…

LOL, Afan, me too! Who ruined it for us?

Oh, and Hez, I know that’s what you were getting at. I guess my point is that it works out for some of them. They can make a living doing something they love, as opposed to working in a bank or Sonic or something like that.

((((STAR)))) Hope you feel better, my dear.

AFan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!eleventyone!!!!11111!!!!!!!!

I’m treating the headline thread as if it were chat aren’t I? Sorry everyone. I will try not to control the thread any more.

Chat is back up.

Chat won’t let me in!

Is everybody having the same problem?

*sigh*

It lets me post MJ but I can’t see anyone else in there and it won’t change my name. I did log into Gabbly and that worked but…..

Plus it gave me GREEN the first time out. Gabbly is so RUDE!!!

(sulks, mutters under breath and is NOT using legalese, either!)

Try This:

http://gabbly.com/private/ai/MJ

I managed to get in there MJ!!!!!

*yelling* NEVADA, Sarah, PJ, AFan MJ and everyone else!!! come play.

Of course, bugger and blast, it’s already 7 minutes to 10.

*sigh*

I’m in regular chat. I didn’t see anyone in private chat. Hez? Where are you? Did you leave?

I can’t get into either one. :glurps_tb:

Aww, Sarah… try to get into regular.

Neither can I, Sarah.

*weeping*

Still not working… *sigh*

Keep trying! NV just got in and she said it took awhile.

I can’t get in either! Something is wrong with Gabbly tonight..

I had to use AOL to get in…I just tried again with IE and it won’t let me in.

Try using firefox… not IE

I don’t have firefox.

Every time I try it doesn’t list even my gabber # on the side and I can’t see what anyone else is saying. I tried logging in, and that doesn’t help.

When I click on the private chat, it just takes me to a page with the web address, topic, and password. And it says to visit gabbly.com for other ways to chat.

And I got the hotel reserved today for Seattle and wanted to tell you about it too, pj. DAMMIT!

ETA: don’t have firefox either.

Edited as everyone beat me to the explanation.

Download firefox, Sarah and Hez! It’s easy!

Downloading Firefox? Easy.

Getting into chat, even WITH Firefox? Difficult. No, strike that, try IMPOSSIBLE.

I’m cranky now.

Me too, hez. :annoyed_tb: Grrrrr at gabbly.

For those frustrated with Chat some of us are getting in now. Try some more maybe?

Nope. Still no luck.

Gabbly hates us, hez. We should stop being bitches.

mj made it into chat…

Also, reboot. I did that and it helped. Maybe clear cookies and cache.

Already done all that.

Nothing *sigh*

We’ll be as boring as humanly possible, so you won’t miss much.

Nevada you are never boring. I can see everything you guys are saying but I can’t respond. I feel like a gabber except I’m not yelling at anyone.

I’m for bed anyway. The sun will come out tomorrow. Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow…

Me too hez. I can’t see anything that’s said after the chat loads for me though.

I guess this is gabbly’s way of saying “get your ass to sleep.”

ETA: PJ – check your email in about 10 minutes.

I shall check my email as well….I shan’t find anything, but it’s the thought that counts….

Chat is not working for me. Is anyone still here?

Lu,
Chat is not working for me either. I’m jojo in chat.

I am in chat now…..where is everyone?

dante, jeannie – I just tried again. I put in a comment and then nothing happens… bummer.

May be it will be better tomorrow.

Well, I can get into chat and post and see my posts and gabbers on the side – but nothing at all happens like no one is really there but me……

I am lonesome.

Hopefully it will be fixed tomorrow

It is sad to be so addicted to chat…..

chat is working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!