Idol Headlines for 05/21/09

Best part of Kris winning Idol…. from Michale Slezak:

10:07 Wait a second. I have to dye my hair tomorrow. Oh crap. I am gonna look so ridiculous with Iraheta red on my thinning locks.

lol… I can ´t wait to see that one… :lol_tb:

On the other hand Jim Cantiello answer me two times in twitter tosay morning… IÂ ´m happy and yes IÂ ´m a very simple person to please :happy_tb:

Honestly, between gigs, Adam should go bring peace to the Middle East. I have never seen a more diplomatic guy!

I can’t remember NPR ever doing more than an brief announcement of the winner in past seasons, but they did a full feature on last night’s finale on Morning Edition:

Kris Allen Beats Adam Lambert For ‘Idol’ Crown

The show did its best to establish the two as opposite personas. “The guy next door versus the guyliner,” as host Ryan Seacrest put it. But upon learning of his victory, Allen seemed floored à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  even apologetic.

“This was an absolute shocker of a finale for American Idol,” says Michael Slezak, senior writer for the Web site of Entertainment Weekly. “I did not expect Kris Allen to beat Adam Lambert and I don’t think Kris Allen expected to beat Adam Lambert. I mean, honestly, saying ‘Adam deserves this, I’m sorry.’ I’ve never heard that kind of quote from an Idol winner.”

Slezak credits Adam Lambert with completely rejuvenating the American Idol franchise.

“Trying to imagine season eight without Adam Lambert would be like trying to imagine your bowl of cereal without milk,” Slezak says. “Hard to swallow and dry.”

Lambert’s performances and song choices were always intelligent, often audacious and consistently thrilling. With his anime haircut and feline eyes, Lambert seemed poised to redefine rock and roll masculinity. All the judges, including Paula Abdul, bestowed him with an aura of inevitability.

There’s speculation that Lambert lost the title because he presents à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  very deliberately à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  as gay. But Slezak of EW.com thinks that viewers just went for the underdog. “I have to think there’s a slight backlash against the show’s producers and judges who have a tendency to push very hard for the contestant they want to win,” Slezak says.

Another backlash of sorts came from the contestants themselves. The American Idol machine did its best to pit the folksy country Christian against the showy, sophisticated dandy. But the two men formed a friendship that transcended typical reality show expectations.

“I think we need as many indicators to young men in America that someone like Adam is the kind of guy who can be their best friend as we do to little eight year olds watching Adam Lambert as the kind of performer they could grow up into being themselves,” says Shana Naomi Krochmal, contributing editor for Out Magazine.

Krochmal says she took real pleasure in watching what seems to be an authentic mutual affection develop in such an artificial environment of constant hype and relentless product placement.

I want to just get this question out of the way first, something thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been dangling a bit over you for the whole season: Would you like to put to rest all the speculation about your sexuality?
Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not dangling over my head. [Laughing] It may be dangling over yours, but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not over mine.

OMG Adam. I freakin lurve you! :wub_tb:

>>Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not dangling over my head. [Laughing] It may be dangling over yours, but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not over mine.>>

I laughed out loud when I read this. I laughed hard. The whole dangling thing was hillarious.

And from the examiner article…

As the clock ticks closer and closer to show time, bigger celebrities begin to stream onto the carpet. David Archuleta walks by and heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s clearly being hustled into the show by his people. A reporter next to me yells out, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“David, just one picture, please!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  David looks at him and smiles, tries to stop but his tough lady publicist keeps him moving. He really is the nicest kid alive.

Yes he is the nicest kid alive :wub_tb:

Last year’s runner-up, David Archuleta, was also back for the finale, even serenading MTV News with a taste of his song “Touch My Hand” on the red carpet. So what does it feel like to be back? “It’s really different and really crazy,” he said. “I was a lot busier last year than I am right now. … Adam [Lambert] and Kris [Allen] are getting dragged all over the place.”

A year later, Archie still thinks America made the right choice for last year’s champion. “Cook did great the whole year, really,” he said. “I think that’s why he deserved to win. I never thought I was gonna win. I thought, ‘I’m just happy I’m here. I don’t know how I got here!’ ”

That little video of Archie talking with Jim is adorable… my two Idols obsessions in a video… love them both…

Adam Vary from EW is a moron for asking Adam a question about his sexuality. His VERY FIRST question too! Good for Glambert for turning it around on him and basically giving a nonanswer. He doesn’t need to stand up and proclaim he’s gay! We KNOW he’s gay. We don’t care that he’s gay. When Adam finds that special guy, I’m sure he won’t be shy about his relationship. I’m sure he won’t hide anything. And that’s the way it should be, not some major announcement or headline that overshadows everything he’s accomplished on Idol. Geez.

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not dangling over my head. [Laughing] It may be dangling over yours, but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not over mine.

Adam is such a well spoken, witty young man. I love him and I will support him and he will always be the AI8 winner for me.

Honestly, between gigs, Adam should go bring peace to the Middle East. I have never seen a more diplomatic guy!

No kidding. I’m beginning to think the only thing as brilliant as Adam singing, is Adam talking.

Adam is such a well spoken, witty young man. I love him and I will support him and he will always be the AI8 winner for me.

Yes. My sentiments exactly!

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not dangling over my head. [Laughing] It may be dangling over yours, but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not over mine. Yeah, I think speculation keeps things really interesting.

So you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to say anything one way or the other?
Like I said, I think speculation keeps things very, very interesting. [Laughs]

This totally struck me as him saying he’s bisexual. I mean, if he said he was gay, then he might hurt any chances of a relationship with a female in the future….and maybe lose female fans? As he said…keeps things interesting!

Good on him. He does not need to explain his personal life to anyone, especially the press.

You go Adam! Keep them guessing. None of their business!!!!

Unfortunately PH and his ilk will be on his case about it.

This totally struck me as him saying heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s bisexual. I mean, if he said he was gay, then he might hurt any chances of a relationship with a female in the futureà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.and maybe lose female fans? As he saidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦keeps things interesting!

Hmmmm good point……

I so love Adam…the more I read/listen to his interviews, the more I realize how funny, smart and witty he is. He is such a class act. I will be the first one in line to buy “whatever” he sells……

Can’t wait for him to come to NY…I will drag my a$$ at every event he will appear at…
Yes I’m starting my “Adam Stalker/Fangirl Career”…LMFAS

It is so obvious that the state of Arkansas rigged the vote, and American Idol went against its own rules of huge block voting results and allowed such an outcome. What an absolute disgrace. A tiny state like Arkansas can cast 38 out of 100 million votes, leving the other 49 with the remainder. This is a joke. AI has lost ALL credibility.

I LOVE that Adam didn’t answer the question! Keep ‘em guessing I say! He’s smart. He knows that it will keep people interested too – like idiots like Perez Hilton.

I too suspect that Adam is bisexual (I’ve seen a number of things across the internet that seem to point to it) but whatever!

This totally struck me as him saying heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s bisexual. I mean, if he said he was gay, then he might hurt any chances of a relationship with a female in the futureà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.and maybe lose female fans? As he saidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦keeps things interesting!

I always thought Adam was bi-sexual. There are 2 pages to that memo…. lol Either way, he’s sexy as hell, and so is his brother by the way…. I luv me some Lamberts. lol

Anyways, its really no one’s business, and its obvious he isn’t going to take the “bait”. Good for him!!

A friend of mine was in CA last month and met him in a bar. She has pictures of him with her up on her facebook page. She said he’s so humble, nice, and better looking in person. I should have went with her…. lol

My favourite won, but I’m saddened by some of the comments here. Not your fault though, I felt the same way last year when Archie lost to Cookie. So I’ll keep coming for Idol news, but stay away from the comments lol.

The EW reporter doesn’t have a bi-line. In any event, what a creep to go straight for a sexual orientation question. Leave the guy alone. I am SO SICK of this stuff. Did they ask Kris if it was true that he was a heterosexual? All the gay bashing cost Adam. EW, should be ashamed.

Adam, good job not answering the question. You are one class act!

LOLOL @ Adam’s replies to dumb questions. Oh he makes me laugh and smile.

I love both those guys and I hope people get over the whinging accusations of foul voting. I would like to know the difference of votes that came in for Kris over Adam, that may be more telling. California could have rallied and done a voting block but didn’t, if the story is indeed true about Arkansas. Hard to say if “America” got it right by voting – how many of those votes came from the tweeny-boppers?

I supported both and tried to vote for Adam but kept getting busy signals. So now I’m gonna walk my talk and just be happy for both like alot of us said we would regardless of who won. Kris now has to bear this BS of people saying Adam was robbed, Adam deserved to win, etc. If Adam had won I don’t think people would be accusing him of “robbing” Kris. AI is only a vehicle so really they both won just as both Cook and Archileta ‘won’ last year.

I wonder how the families of Adam and Kris look on this? They, like Kris and Adam, appear to be above all the speculation and snarky comments. My hat’s off to them all standing against the mean-spiritness and my congrats to both Kris and Adam for providing great entertainment.

It is so obvious that the state of Arkansas rigged the vote, and American Idol went against its own rules of huge block voting results and allowed such an outcome. What an absolute disgrace. A tiny state like Arkansas can cast 38 out of 100 million votes, leving the other 49 with the remainder. This is a joke. AI has lost ALL credibility.

How could have Arkansas rig the vote? The term “rigged” conjures up vivid images that makes my imagination go wild. Did they have teams of farmers tricked out as ninjas cutting the phone lines across the nation? Did they spam-text everybody with Viagra ads and assorted viruses to prevent people from using their cell phones? Did they raise the dead from their graves and teach them how to text? Or, I know, it must be Walmart related. They slipped some sedatives into boxes of Kraft Dinner so the rest of the nation slept peacefully while Arkansas was the only state still awake to vote.

Or, did they just vote their a$$es off? An option available to one and all. An option taken by many people hear at MJs. An option that people have chosen for seasons.

I still think the 38 million number is an error, but if it is true, then I have to wonder what the vote totals have been from home states before in the finale. If we subtract 38 million votes (or make it a more reasonable 2 million votes) and assume that we got more proportional voting across the nation before, that means votes are down by over 33 million votes from last year. Boy, how Idol has fallen. I don’t think that’s true. The phone lines were pegged this week. IMO, either things are as they have always been or the 38 million number is whack.

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The EW reporter doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have a bi-line. In any event, what a creep to go straight for a sexual orientation question. Leave the guy alone. I am SO SICK of this stuff. Did they ask Kris if it was true that he was a heterosexual? All the gay bashing cost Adam.

I agree that was a STUPID question to lead with (or ask at all), but I don’t think the reporter is gay-bashing. Adam B. Vary has talked about his own boyfriend, so I’m going to guess that he doesn’t hate gay people in general.

(A repost because I put in wrong thread……)

First of all, I have loved many of the comments on this board all season longà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I have gotten so much enjoyment once again from this site, MJ, and I wanted to say thanks again.
I totally enjoyed the show last night. I thought Idol really outdone themselves this year. The various artists were great!

Going into the final, I was pretty bummed because I thought my favorite Adam was in trouble of winning. I was troubled by the various showsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.Oà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Reillyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.totally stupid videos (ie. Danny and Sarver exchange on the *godly* way to love)à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.and articles about the *gay* guy and the *the believer* (thanks rolex preacher man). I was disheartened that this issue may have a great influence on the vote. It would be naive of me to think some votes were not influenced by this but when I watched the show, I was moved by the example set by Kris and Adam.

Here are two very different artists, with two very different lifestyles, that have found a way to love one another in spite of those differences. Their respect for one another was so evident. Adam said that they talked a lot over the season and learned so such from one another musically and personally. They led by example last night to not be dividedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.to appreciate one anotherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s differences and to revel in a brotherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s success. Did you see the JOY on Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s face for Adam when they were singing with Queen??? He knew Adam was in Heavenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦that was genuine caring.

As far as I am concerned, Adam and Kris have put the issue of *differences* on much higher ground nowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..and perhaps this is a pollyanna thoughtà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. but I feel we are all better for this. I know this is just a singing contestà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.I get thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..but it was much more for me.
I have so enjoyed this seasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.sorry to see it endà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.Pix

OK, I “hated” on Adam a lot during the season because I was reacting against the verbal fellatio he was constantly receiving from the judges, the press, and his more histrionic fans. But, my true opinion is that on the face of it, it makes an absolute mockery of American Idol that he didn’t defeat Kris.

The ONLY other finalist with enough an “it-factor” that she would have been an acceptable alternative winner to Adam was Alison. Or if the voters wanted to go for something completely different– Alexis Grace. (Possibly, Matt could have been feasible too if he hadn’t choked so much).

This final two wasn’t like last year, where you could have a legitimate debate about which David was “better”. Kris beating Adam (and Alison) would have been like Jason Castro beating the two Davids last year. Enough said.

I hope TBTB takes what the true lesson away from this is– this was an “anti-pimping” vote. Yes, the Christian/ Gokey factor played a role as I’m sure did Adam’s presumed sexuality. But, much more than anything else this was a backlash against perceived (and REAL) favoritism by the show itself, one that probabaly had been building over multiple seasons and was finally fully unleashed on Tuesday night. Take heed, AI….

For those of you who don’t believe the 38 million from ARKANSAS story

http://i40.tinypic.com/51asgo.jpg

The ARKANSAS Speaker of the House was the one that posted it! Look at the screen cap above! THEY are proudly admitting it!!

OK, I à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“hatedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on Adam a lot during the season because I was reacting against the verbal fellatio he was constantly receiving from the judges, the press, and his more histrionic fans.

Again I call bullshit on this line of thinking! Whenever Adam was complimented it was because he had done an amazing job of singing and entertaining.

It was Danny who was getting the tongue bath completely down to the fellatio treatment.

How are Adam’Â ¨s fans more histionic than any fans of any celbrity or idol contestant.

Yeah…bullshit.

^Well dear snuffles, maybe they actually feel proud for making the local guy the American Idol… I think is depend who were you supporting the 38 mio votes are a good or a bad thing…

Adam’s official web site is already up!

http://www.adamofficial.com/

If you look at the top bar it says he’s signed to RCA Records!! (The bar flips between “My Play” and the RCA logo.

Yeah, I believe the 38 million. Percentage wise, it’s probably pretty comparable to other seasons too – especially since texting has become a bigger deal since 2002.

Anyway- I guess we finally got our shock boot for the season.

The ARKANSAS Speaker of the House was the one that posted it! Look at the screen cap above! THEY are proudly admitting it!!

If I were Kris I wouldn ¨’t particulary be proud of winning this way: Arkansas Idol. He seems a sweetheart of a guy so I hope those 38 million voters support his music.

Layla May 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am

The ARKANSAS Speaker of the House was the one that posted it! Look at the screen cap above! THEY are proudly admitting it!!

If I were Kris I wouldn ¨Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t particulary be proud of winning this way: Arkansas Idol. He seems a sweetheart of a guy so I hope those 38 million voters support his music.

Only if it’s subsidized by the Arkansas government like his voter campaign was. p

If you look at the top bar it says heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s signed to RCA Records!! (The bar flips between à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“My Playà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and the RCA logo.

wow they are not wasting any time aren ´they?

Adam was on Fox & Friends. Adam says there has been some talks about Adam joining Queen…… ALSO, he mentions his younger brother. Danny is interviewed and Adam says they are close as well.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?pl…listId=playlist

http://www.adamofficial.com/

WOW! If they’ve got this up this fast, he must have been signed for a while….or known he was going to and signed on the dotted line last night. Sites like this just don’t happen overnight!! I’m soooo excited!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD6EbI2rT28&feature=player_embedded

kris’ “im going to disney world” commercial. i love this kid. i really do.

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s official web site is already up!

http://www.adamofficial.com/

If you look at the top bar it says heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s signed to RCA Records!! (The bar flips between à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“My Playà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and the RCA logo.

kris allen is up too http://www.krisallenofficial.com
he’s also signed to RCA

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s official web site is already up!

http://www.adamofficial.com/

If you look at the top bar it says heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s signed to RCA Records!! (The bar flips between à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“My Playà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and the RCA logo.

You’re jumping to conclusion here. Sorry but if you click on the rca logo Adam’s name is not listed as an artist. I don’t think there has been time for any formal talks with either Adam or Kris.

I could see Adam doing some tour dates with Queen OVERSEAS as a way to introduce him internationally.

I want to just get this question out of the way first, something thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been dangling a bit over you for the whole season: Would you like to put to rest all the speculation about your sexuality?
Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not dangling over my head. [Laughing] It may be dangling over yours, but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not over mine.

I know a lot of people have done quoted this. But that’s as funny as hell, I don’t care who you are. :lol_tb:

I agree that was a STUPID question to lead with (or ask at all), but I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think the reporter is gay-bashing. Adam B. Vary has talked about his own boyfriend, so Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m going to guess that he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t hate gay people in general.

I didn’t see it so much as bashing, but as a continued piling on about this inane non-issue in a singing contest. The press took Adam from a gifted singer to a “gay” singer who is gifted. I have seen little children holding up signs that say “Queers will go to hell,” so I know tagging Adam so relentlessly with the albatross of “gay” brought him down.

i just saw an interview that adam has been offered by QUEEN!!!!

Say NO to queen unless it is only termporary. Chris Daughtry had a similar deal with Fuel

Ew, no Queen, please! Let Adam be Adam Lambert. Not surprising Adam is signed with RCA, I’m more curious about Kris. I wonder if Arista will sign Danny, seems like a good match and they’re good at screwing up idols.

Say NO to queen unless it is only termporary. Chris Daughtry had a similar deal with Fuel

Like Daughtry, Adam wants to do his own thing. I can see them making appearances together though. Maybe do some international touring together. That would give Adam MAD street cred.

Youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re jumping to conclusion here. Sorry but if you click on the rca logo Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s name is not listed as an artist. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think there has been time for any formal talks with either Adam or Kris.

…and RCA is so prompt at updating their site…..only not! I doubt they would have the logo there if he wasn’t signed.

I doubt they would have an official web site with the RCA logo and linked to the official RCA site if Adam (and Kris) were not signed to one of the RCA Group labels.

krisallenofficial.com is also up. under rca. I don’t know if they’re both already signed to RCA or if it is just a place holder. I can’t remember when the top 2 were signed by the same label other than maybe season 1.

Season1: Kelly/Justin RCA
Season 2: Ruben, JRecords, Clay RCA
Season 3: Fantasia, JRecords, Diana, RCA
Season 4: Carrie Arista/Nashville, B, RCA
Season 5: Taylor Arista, Kat RCA
Season 6: Jordin-Zomba/Jive, Blake-JRecords
Season 7: Cook-RCA, Archie-Zomba/Jive

I guess it’s possible. But I think they want to maximize on a fan base immediately more than they have a deal in place/signed already.

RCA Music Group I think is an umbrella company for – RCA Records, J Records and Arista. Maybe the RCA logo just represents the music group. I think ultimately Adam will be with RCA Records and Kris will go to Arista.

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RCA Music Group is home to three flagship Sony Music Entertainment labels: RCA Records, Arista Records, and J Records, which distributes the artists on those labels.

In the UK, Sony Music Entertainment operates the RCA Records trademark under the RCA Label Group (UK), one of two frontline label divisions. It distribuses all of Sony Music Entertainment American label’s in the UK.

I doubt Daughtry will tour with Adam esp. since he’s a big fan of Kris. Even if he wasn’t, he’s moved past the Idol thing and probably wouldn’t want to be associated with another Idol. I doubt he’d tour with Cook let alone Lambert who does a 180 kind of rock from his stuff.

about the myplay thing… even DA was listed on the RCA myplay site.. ftr.

HOping that the morning after, even the most impassioned of Adam-lovers can see that Kris has something of his own that people responded to — and not just people in Arkansas, people who are homophobes, people who don’t like rock music, and all the other stereotypes.

Kris had zero pimpage until very late in the game. Even when he gave one of the best performances of the night, the judges rarely acknowledged it.

He worked hard for his opportunity, with less previous preparation, confidence and glam than our Adam, who I think will have a dazzling career but who also was far more primed for the spotlight.

There is something wonderful about a kid who loves music, and whose music delights and connects with others, evolving before our eyes over weeks of unimaginably grueling competition.

Maybe he’s not your cuppa, as the English say, but Kris offers something that many of us find really refreshing in this shlocky pop world. And that musical ability, coupled with the grace and sincerity these two kids showed eachother throughout the season, is worth acknowledging.

No one is suggesting Adam tour with Daughtry. The discussions involve Queen and that the band may have expressed an interest to Adam.

I doubt there’s actual paper and ink yet on these deals. But TPTB have said they will exercise their option to sign Adam and Kris, so putting up the sites is the first logical step. Thanks for the link!

And thanks for the Fox & Friends interviews too~

Are Queen under the 19R umbrella because I doubt they’ll let Adam sign with a label they don’t own. Unless, they have no interest in signing him but since he’s already shown up on the RCA web site that isn’t true.

Queen does seem to have some relationship with Simon Fuller since they’re shown on the show twice.I’m not sure why Lambert would give up on a solo career to basically do Queen covers but anything is possible, I guess.

American Idol went against its own rules of huge block voting results and allowed such an outcome.

I’ve heard about this throwing out block voting clause before but no details– anyone have any references or context on what it entails?

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think there has been time for any formal talks with either Adam or Kris.

I think Archie’s been quoted as saying that they told him he was getting signed with Jive on the night of the finale in his dressing room, so it’s definitely possible they’re already signed. The reason DC’s announcement came so late, we’ve since found out from DC’s interview, was because he didn’t say yes right away, and had apparently lined up 3 meetings in NY before deciding. I forget the details of the story, but he basically talked about feeling so good about RCA letting him make his own record that he canceled the other meetings. So yeah, basically all that to say: it’s possible they’re already signed by now like Archie last year, and it’s also possibility the details need to be ironed out like with DC last year.

This totally struck me as him saying heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s bisexual. I mean, if he said he was gay, then he might hurt any chances of a relationship with a female in the futureà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.and maybe lose female fans?

He’s not bi-sexual, he’s gay. He’s said so on social networking sites in the past, and his brother has said so as recently as last week in a public forum. The wishful thinking is getting silly. He was politely saying “I’m got giving you the sound bite you want.” He got asked the same thing at the post show press conference, and laughed and gave basically the same non-answer in the same charming way. He’s just refusing to be anybody’s one-note headline.

“American Idol went against its own rules of huge block voting results and allowed such an outcome.”

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve heard about this throwing out block voting clause before but no detailsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ anyone have any references or context on what it entails?

The Clause is valid if there is true power voting. This doesn’t mean dialing your fingers off for 4 hours or even using Skype. It only comes into effect when there is a program set up that registers hundreds or even thousands of votes per second, more than humanly possible.

That’s not what happened in Arkansas, even if the 38 mil thing is true – which I’m still skeptical about, since I don’t think they would release the numbers.

I was wondering why doesn’t Adam say he is gay but if he is bisexual it completely makes sense. A lot people seem to have a hard time understanding what being a bisexual means so he would have to continue explaining himself which would probably be very annoying.

Adam is too savvy to come out and say he’s gay. But he’ll make it obvious by his actions. I’m pretty sure he won’t hide his boyfriend for example. Anyone who thinks Lambert is bisexual is def playing the “keep hope alive” card.

But, much more than anything else this was a backlash against perceived (and REAL) favoritism by the show itself, one that probabaly had been building over multiple seasons and was finally fully unleashed on Tuesday night. Take heed, AIà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

I don’t think your average AI viewer at home was dialing for Kris with one fist and shaking the other at Simon.

Viewers voted for Kris because they liked him. He’s got a very fresh, simple appeal. Although he doesn’t have Adam’s huge charisma, he’s got a low key charm combined with a real talent for arranging and interpreting songs.

I think he simply, in these last few weeks, appealed to more people than Adam did.

The thing with Adam–he was a bit polarizing, some of his performances were hugely popular, but then others, not at all. Kris was pretty consistent. He was the stealth contestant who managed to sneak right in there. heh.

but Kris offers something that many of us find really refreshing in this shlocky pop world. And that musical ability, coupled with the grace and sincerity these two kids showed eachother throughout the season, is worth acknowledging.

YES ! Collette.

I’ve lurked here all season. I am a musician (college major). I have been reading all of the comments about how Adam was the rightful winner….

SAYS WHO !!!

I’m so freakin’ happy right now! :clap_tb: I’ve been in France visiting family for the past few days and it is so hard to get internet access here. So I haven’t been able to follow the finale at all… all I know at this point is that Kris won, and it’s all I can do to keep myself from spazzing out right here in the hotel lobby, haha. I can’t believe Kris freakin’ “cannon-fodder-turned-finalist” Allen actually won! Whoops, people are staring at me…

Completely agree with what MJ just said. There will be countless theories presented, but that is the bottom line.

I doubt Daughtry will tour with Adam esp. since heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a big fan of Kris. Even if he wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s moved past the Idol thing and probably wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to be associated with another Idol. I doubt heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d tour with Cook let alone Lambert who does a 180 kind of rock from his stuff.

*sigh*. Not tour with Daughtry… tour with Queen……. Why would Adam want to tour with Daughtry??? lol

I think ultimately Adam will be with RCA Records and Kris will go to Arista.

Gah! I hope not. When has Arista ever done a good job with an Idol? At least let it be Arista/Nashville (that division knows what it is doing). Sign with Zomba group, Kris. Maybe they don’t really handle artists like Kris, but they seem to treat the Idols with some care and respect. Adam would be wise to go there too. Like anybody listens to me.

Season 5: Taylor Arista, Kat RCA

Daughtry also signed with RCA in Season 5 and Simon/Simon/Ken tell us he was the true winnner, so I guess that year the winner and runner-up did sign with RCA.

ITA agree with MJ’s comment. That’s absolutely true.

There are always going to be the conspiracy theorists, but when it comes down to it, Kris won because he appealed to more people IMO.

Sorry, I hit “submit” too soon.

I appreciate Adams incredible talent but as Kara nailed it once when she said that he is SO theatrical it doesn’t seem like he really “connects”. Kris does.

Kris is an amazing musician (maybe not the better “performer”). He plays instruments, arranges and feels the music so deeply, he passes that on to the audience.

There was always an element of “fake” when he sang, sort of like a Vegas act. Hey, some like that… that’s cool. It just kind of annoyed me.

I know the hurt of Adams loss is still fresh – I experienced it 2 seasons ago. But please, try to understand that a LOT of people preferred Kris. and a LOT of people (including myself) know that Adam will be a star and I look forward to seeing him on Broadway !!!

Viewers voted for Kris because they liked him. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s got a very fresh, simple appeal. Although he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s huge charisma, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s got a low key charm combined with a real talent for arranging and interpreting songs. I think he simply, in these last few weeks, appealed to more people than Adam did.

It also helped that Kris’s home state contributed 1/3rd of the votes…. AI isn’t a one vote system. Kris winning doesn’t mean he has more fans than Adam. It just means his fans were more likely to vote non-stop for 4 hours.

Anyways, just like with the other seasons, we will have to wait until their music comes out and see what they do. It should be interesting.

I’m sorry, in my mind Kris’ win will NEVER be legitimate. There will forever be an asterisk ** next to his name in my mind. It’s Clay and Ruben all over again.

The truth will play out on the sales charts – which so far has Adam outselling Kris.

Adam is too savvy to come out and say heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gay. But heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll make it obvious by his actions. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty sure he wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t hide his boyfriend for example. Anyone who thinks Lambert is bisexual is def playing the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“keep hope aliveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  card.

He is savvy for sure but I can’t figure out how anyone here can be certain of his sexuality one way or the other unless they’ve slept with him themselves. What’s wrong with a little hope anyhow? The guy is sexy as all get out. No harm, no foul.

My ownFinal thoughts on the results and results discussion:
-If the conservative vote was that strong, Sarah Palin would be vice- president right now.
-If the home state or religious vote could win it for Kris Allen, why didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the Mormons and Utah win it for Archie last year?
-Maybe America likes Diva voices on women but not men.
-More importantly, America voted against the Teacherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Pet.

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not bi-sexual, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gay. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s said so on social networking sites in the past, and his brother has said so as recently as last week in a public forum.

Actually, Adam’s MySpace page said looking for both girls and boys to play dress up with……. As far as his brother goes, you’re telling me Neil stood up in a public forum with a mic and said “My brother Adam is gay??” Yeah right.

No wonder Adam just laughs at what he reads on blogs. lol Its hilarious. He’s probably amazed at the millions of people who think they know him personally.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve lurked here all season. I am a musician (college major). I have been reading all of the comments about how Adam was the rightful winnerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

SAYS WHO !!!

Well, the first one who said it post-announcement was Kris Allen himself: “Adam deserves this.”

He’s since thought better of it and added “as much as I do,” but in the heat of the moment… LOL

Seriously, Kris is a deserving winner. I, like a lot of folks, wish it had been Adam. But c’est la vie~

There was always an element of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“fakeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  when he sang, sort of like a Vegas act. Hey, some like thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

And, some didn’t see it that way at all. Like you and your appreciation of Kris, some of us really saw and felt deep connection, conviction, and emotion from Adam when he sang, interpreted, and performed the songs that he did.

It goes both ways…

ETA: oops sorry, meant to edit, not post-ho…

Scott Twittered:

IdolScott: Dear fans – sorry guys..Billy Joel couldn’t make it to the show so my duet was cut:( Thanks for watching anyway!

Poor guy

Actually, Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s MySpace page said looking for both girls and boys to play dress up withà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. As far as his brother goes, youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re telling me Neil stood up in a public forum with a mic and said à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“My brother Adam is gay??à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Yeah right.

I think the OP meant an internet forum, lol. Specifically, on Myspace.

ETA: BTW I’m glad to see a lot of people being so accepting about Kris’s win on here. It’s really nice, compared to some of the other Idol-related sites

I am a die hard Adam fan but I am happy that Kris won. He will benefit more from the AI contract and his music is more commercial. IMHO Adam will go straight from the idol tour to Broadway. I can’t believe that someone who has done musical theater since childhood doesn’t dream of a Broadway show. Plus the cabaret circuit in NYC is right up his alley!

It was such a pleasure to see that Adam was so genuinely happy to see Kris win. I didn’t see an iota of disappointment or envy in Adam’s face.

I think Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been quoted as saying that they told him he was getting signed with Jive on the night of the finale in his dressing room, so ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s definitely possible theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re already signed. The reason DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s announcement came so late, weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve since found out from DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s interview, was because he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t say yes right away, and had apparently lined up 3 meetings in NY before deciding. I forget the details of the story, but he basically talked about feeling so good about RCA letting him make his own record that he canceled the other meetings.

I dont think thats how the contract for Idol works… the winner is bound to sing with 19R and any of the Sony companies for an album contracthe can ´t refuse thats the prize and I ´m almost sure there is a little leters pragraph that made sure every contestant understand that they have to sign with 19r… in Archie ´s case he could have refuse but he couldn ´t sign with any other record company in a three months marge, and it was better for him to secure the contract and start to work to secure the hype….

At least that the way I understand the Idol winner price!

Queen does seem to have some relationship with Simon Fuller since theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re shown on the show twice.Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure why Lambert would give up on a solo career to basically do Queen covers but anything is possible, I guess.

I can tell you why he would do it. Lambert and Queen could hit the road tomorrow and sell out stadium concerts in Europe, Japan, Southeast Asia, the former Soviet Union, and South America. I’m not saying that he should or shouldn’t do it, but it would make Lambert a world-wide star.

Sorry, I’m slow today. Tour w/Queen as their lead singer? Or their opening act. Because he’s 19R property and they’ll make that decision for him. If Queen is a 19 client, that makes perfect sense.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not saying that he should or shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do it, but it would make Lambert a world-wide star.

It surely would…….Queen featuring Adam Lambert! He could work on his solo CD while touring. It could be a win, win for all involved providing 19 would let him do it.

I found the following appearances listed for Kris at Pulse:
Thursday, May 21:
Tonight Show with Jay Leno

Friday, May 22:
Larry King Live

Tuesday, May 26:
Regis & Kelly

Wednesday, May 27:
Ellen DeGeneres Show

Thursday, May 28:
The Today Show

I haven’t found a full list for Adam yet, but all the Idols will likely be on Larry King with Kris.

Adam:
Wednesday, May 27:
Regis & Kelly

Thursday, May 28: (read elsewhere on this site)
The Today Show

Gokey:
Thursday, May 28
Regis & Kelly

I havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t found a full list for Adam yet, but all the Idols will likely be on Larry King with Kris.

Larry himself said both Adam and Kris would be on when he announced it last week.

Adam will need to work on his CD while on the Idols tour in time for the November 2009 release date. I’m not sure how he tours with Queen, AI and does a solo album in the next three months.

All this Queen talk is premature.
I’m betting they said something like “yeah, we’d love to play with you sometime” not “come and join our band”. Kris said Adam mentioned something but neither of them have gone into details that I have seen.

At any rate anything even remotely like that is over a year away and I think Adam is way more interested in doing his own thing. Not that he would turn down a date or two, but I’d bet my house that he’s not “joining” Queen.

IdolScott: Dear fans – sorry guys..Billy Joel couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make it to the show so my duet was cut:( Thanks for watching anyway

That totally sucks. Scott got robbed last night. Couldn’t they have let him do some singing? Matt also got the shaft last night. I can’t believe Sarver and Megan got a high profile duet while others who are far more talented got nothing. I’m not Scott fan, but I’d rather of heard from him.

I think doing a stint with Queen would be an excellent way to start his career and get worldwide recognition. Not to mention ridding himself of any Idol stigma. Then break out solo and do his thing.

the winner is bound to sing with 19R

Yeah, but I think Cook meant he met with labels under 19R, so maybe RCA vs Arista, vs. whatever– I’m sure he wasn’t allowed to consider labels outside 19R. He definitely said this in an interview.

Anecdotally, most casual fans I know prefer Kris, but we all thought Adam would win. Honestly, I think Kris will do well on his album even if Adam’s idol tunes outsell him now, cuz Kris’ identity is so clear. Adam’s album is more of a risk– it could be HUGE, or another Audio Day Dream. I also don’t know if it’s a good idea for them to sign with the same label… I dunno.

i think adam is brilliant. he gives the best answers to anything that is thrown at him. he is very savvy with enormous talent and thats why people love to watch him and hear what he has to say.

i think kris is extremely talented, but as far as vocals are concerned, kris is the first one to admit that hes not as good as adam. i think that hes less scary, very humble and an all around nice person, and that is what took him to the win. adam are all those things, but in a different wrapping.

i just dont think that as far as singing is concerned, there are too many people that can hold a candle to adam. whether or not he can play a guitar or piano, i have no idea.

i just know that i would go to see an adam concert..not so much a kris concert.

I doubt Daughtry will tour with Adam esp. since heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a big fan of Kris. Even if he wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s moved past the Idol thing and probably wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to be associated with another Idol

I can’t see Daughtry touring with another Idol, but he really does love Kris. I’m wondering if he would want to work with him in some capacity now. This was his last Twitter about him

# Kriss Allen is my boy!!!!! He killed with Keith Urban!!!about 16 hours ago from TwitterFon

I find his fanboying over him adorable LOL

Love Kris, love the music he makes, and I think when it came down to it that’s what people voted on.

Very happy to see Kris’ and Adam’s websites up already. I’m wondering if Adam won’t go to Arista, since that is where they signed Blake and his electro/pop/dance/funk/etc. disc is the closest I think Idol’s ever gotten to the kind of music Adam seems to want to make.

Not sure where they will put Kris…J Records has Gavin DeGraw and (Kris fan) Jamie Foxx, but RCA is probably the more likely bet.

And boo, that sucks about Scott’s duet being cut

I personally don’t like Adam’s voice but I find that Simon usually knows his stuff. So if he thinks he has the potential for international stardom, I’m paying attention. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays. out.

By the way, I could see Kris Allen opening for Daughtry. Which I think would be a good thing.

It looks like Adam is getting the Clay Aiken treatment. I think it’s totally rude for reporters to ask him about his private life. That has nothing to do with his talent. Why do they think they need to know?

Having said that, Adam’s answer is a lot more savvy than what Clay gave. I think he was waiting for the questions.

They’ll both do well. No worries for either.

I think that most former idols who are musicians probably favored Kris more. Taylor didn’t say who he wanted to win, but,d id state he thought the dark horse would. Possibly Bo as well, but, I haven’t heard anything from him. Since they’re both southern boys, it’s possible. Daughtry probably liked that as well. I’m just rambling here, I have no clue. LOL

“”"It also helped that Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s home state contributed 1/3rd of the votesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. AI isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a one vote system. Kris winning doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean he has more fans than Adam. It just means his fans were more likely to vote non-stop for 4 hours. “”"

LOL – and a lot more damn time on their hands that is for sure, I dont think that Kris was as consistant as Adam, Kris got to me with Sunshine, Heartless and Falling Slowly – thats it. Adam will be fine and go on to bigger and better things than AI, I wish them both the best but Kris really needed this more than Adam did. The peeps that really were into Adam and will help his career are not really the type to sit home dialing or texting for hours on end, having little AI parties at their house. Kris is very very good and my second favorite, my fav never wins but my fav usually goes on to do better than the winner. I hope they both do well though

I am so glad that it will be Kris and Adam together on the next few weeks of interviews though and not anyone else, Kris will need Adams eloquence to get thru these interviews, Adam is already a star in every interview he has been in and Kris is just adorable

Anyone who thinks Lambert is bisexual is def playing the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“keep hope aliveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  card.

I wasn’t. I don’t even find him sexually attractive. I haven’t followed information about his private life closely. It just doesn’t make sense to me that he wouldn’t say the words when he is not really trying to hide anything. Obviously it’s none of my business. I guess Adam succeeded… I’m speculating.

“Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sorry, in my mind Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ win will NEVER be legitimate. There will forever be an asterisk ** next to his name in my mind. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Clay and Ruben all over again.”

Why? Just because the person you wanted to win didn’t?

ITA with everything MJ said. I also agree with this:

“My ownFinal thoughts on the results and results discussion:
-If the conservative vote was that strong, Sarah Palin would be vice- president right now.
-If the home state or religious vote could win it for Kris Allen, why didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the Mormons and Utah win it for Archie last year?
-Maybe America likes Diva voices on women but not men.
-More importantly, America voted against the Teacherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Pet.”

I voted for Kris because I like his music better. Why is that so hard to believe? I also don’t like being told who to vote for (repeatedly. all season. by four judges.) so there’s a smidge of teacher’s pet rebellion mixed in as well. Why do people insist that it was ‘rigged,’ as if that’s even something that could be done? I’m imagining the whole state of Arkansas laughing sinisterly as they ‘rig’ the voting. Darn you, Arkansas, and your ability to text!

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure how he tours with Queen, AI and does a solo album in the next three months.

He’s not going to tour with Queen in the next three months! It would be sometime next year, unless they hit the stadium circuit in the southern hemisphere where it is summer in January/Feb.

These classic rock bands are HUGE around the world. Japan, Brazil, Russia, Europe, etc. Queen Lambert would be massive buzz. It doesn’t have to be a full-time gig. A tour here, a tour there.

I can tell you why he would do it. Lambert and Queen could hit the road tomorrow and sell out stadium concerts in Europe, Japan, Southeast Asia, the former Soviet Union, and South America. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not saying that he should or shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do it, but it would make Lambert a world-wide star.

And they have some of the best songs ever written IMO. Chances are that his solo songs aren’t going to be same kind of classics but they would be special to him.
Also he could get songwriting help from them if they got along.

As far as his brother goes, youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re telling me Neil stood up in a public forum with a mic and said à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“My brother Adam is gay??à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Yeah right.

No. I’m not telling you that. He typed it on a public forum yesterday. Since you’re interested, his exact words were “Yes, Adam is gay.”

By the way, I could see Kris Allen opening for Daughtry. Which I think would be a good thing.

I thought of this too. It helps that ChrisD likes him, so hopefully, they collaborate.

If I were Kris I wouldn ¨Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t particulary be proud of winning this way: Arkansas Idol. He seems a sweetheart of a guy so I hope those 38 million voters support his music

1. Kris worked damn hard on that show and he should be proud.

2. No one controls who votes and or where those votes can come from so hardly Kris’s problem.

3. Welcome to the world of Canadian Idol where most of the voting is regional and I suspect it might happen as well in smaller countries.

That is not the fault of the contestants, perhaps the show in not encouraging the voting enough but it is all the viewers who watch but don’t pick up the phone. Usually if you are compelling enough, people will pick up the phone or the cell phone.

The reality is most people don’t care that much – this is just entertainment pure and simple. The hard core fanbases on are the internet not the average viewer or casual voter. The majority of people will be ready to watch the new seasons of So You Think You Can Dance and AI and won’t remember the names of any of the Idols, even the final 2.

These two are going to be fun to watch in the fall, when their records come out. I really want to hear what they come up with for first albums.

I know its a pipe dream, but I hope the majority of the fan competitiveness dies down by then. They will both make money over the next year regardless.

This is a very talented pair! Idol tends to find these people in spite of itself every year.

Darn you, Arkansas, and your ability to text!

This so rocks. :lol_tb:

I NEVER tuned in to American Idol week after week to watch Kris Allen.

I tuned in and was turned on by Adam Lambert.

He will be Season Eight to me.

I know its a pipe dream, but I hope the majority of the fan competitiveness dies down by then. They will both make money over the next year regardless.

I hope so too. The Davids’ fans finally calmed down last year, so maybe the same thing will happens with Kris and Adam’s fans.

guys, all the “Arkansas Idol” thing can be put to rest. The story has been officially denied by AT&T. It’s another example of the media getting hold of a rumor and running with it…only to be proven wrong later.

Here’s the story: http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story/Conway-reacts-to-Kris-win/sv8BNSsGY0G8GRZWSr0fRw.cspx

Here’s the quote:

AT&T is denying that 38 million votes came in from Arkansas. They are not sure where that number originated from.

It never made any sense that less than 1% of the American population was responsible for almost 40% of the total votes. Arkansas’s telecommunications structure could never handle that. You can’t automatically believe what’s on the news. This rumor never made sense.

OT: Saturday Susan Boyle is performing on Britain’s Got Talent. Anyone know where we can see the show streaming?

I appreciate Adams incredible talent but as Kara nailed it once when she said that he is SO theatrical it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem like he really à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“connectsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . Kris does.

Well he connects with me. And he has from Day 1. I didn’t need pimping from the judges to know that this guy was by far the best of the field.

Who knows what the future will bring for Adam or for Kris. My feeling is that Adam will be a huge star, but I was wrong about America’s choice for S8 Idol & I could be wrong about that too. I just know he will always be a star to me. His talent is incredible and I assume the world will recognize that even if the majority of AI voters didn’t.

I just love how Adam deals with the press. He is such a classy guy! I can’t wait to see what Adam will decide to do with his career. Good luck to Kris. He’s going to make a lot of people happy with his music. I thought the finale was really fun to watch and that Kris and Adam were both great last night.

If the home state or religious vote could win it for Kris Allen, why didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the Mormons and Utah win it for Archie last year?

David Cook was from the Midwest. 7 out of the 8 winners so far have either been from the Midwest or the South. Jordin Sparks is the odd one out, being from Arizona, but she was up against Blake from Seattle. Kris, did have geography on his side. I’m not saying that’s why he won, but he benefited from being from a smaller town in the South, versus Adam being from LA/San Diego.

I honestly think there are many many factors involved. Adam being so polarizing, Kris having more mainstream appeal. Religion and Adam’s sexuality. The way the producers tried to control the outcome. I’m not saying Kris didn’t win fair and square, in fact, he fits their mold better than Adam, which is why I couldn’t understand why they didn’t want to pimp him in the first place.

Either way…we’ll see how well they do now that they’re in the real world and I wish them both the best.

AT&T released a statement that the story regarding 38mil votes is wrong. Lol, well that makes sense, i know Kris got a big vote from his home state, but in a state where there are only 2mil people, kinda hard to imagine it could produce close to 40 mil votes. MJ, have you heard more on this?

some thoughts:

allen’s Heartless probably brought in some casual voters to the finale, where he grabbed more votes….i think the finale format didnt do adam any favors as he didnt perform a rock song (his strong suit).

Sucks Matt didnt get a solo or more air time, yet Lil did, even Megan and Sarver.

I think Adam is now free to explore all of his options (and im not talking about boys vs girls LOL)

HOPING kris’ win will show TPTB that they should focus more airtime on the contestants rather than the bikini girls of the world. I dont need to see 45 min of hollywood week spent on a bytch fighting between twits. Also hoping the judges will dial back the banter and put more effort into their half-azzed critiques ….while they were busy shopping in the women’s dept, allen flew under their nose. The fact that not one of the four ever gave kris his proper dues, makes them look clueless ….

And oh, stop declaring winners as early as the semifinals. It then forces the judges to maintain that “pimping” throughout the competition. Plus its unfair for all of the contestants….the underdogs never get the proper attention and the chosen ones have only one way to go…and that is down.

I think Adam could do so many things…I wish he could go on his own tour( i think it would still sell out) or tour with Queen and work on his solo album but we all know he has to do the AI tour and yeah they usually force the contestants, especially the winner to release an album before the new season starts which is very rushed and I think the main reason why so many former contestants/winners have put out such crap..Kris has to be really careful and work hard idk we’ll see…I can understand why he doesn’t want to do too much broadway he’s been doing it for so long and he wants to sing his own music now and not have to play a role and be himself and not be constricted by the boundaries of broadway or whatever…I wish him the best.

I always got an emotional connection from both contestants–Adam’s was just more overwhelming for me, and spoke to me in a more personal way. But that ability to actually affect people with their music (an ability that I think Allison shares) is why Kris and Adam are probably going to be huge stars.

Adam’s theatricality would have just been empty showmanship if he didn’t have that emotional force underlying it. I suppose for some people that’s what it was, just as for some people Kris is just boring coffeehouse (I don’t agree at all–he’s wonderful too).

To each their own.

Is Paul Rogers no longer singing for Queen?

Frankly I’d rather see Rockstar Queen. As hard it may be to believe there are other people out there as good if not better suited to sing lead for Queen than Adam. ***She ducks*** Of course if Queen needs a lead singer, the free PR and profile Adam has from AI is a key advantage to Queen.

The beauty of Mark Burnett’s Rockstar concept is that an unknown has a shot at fame with an already established group – problem was Supernova was not an established group though it was filled with bona fide rockstars, with ADD. The INXS experiment was more successful but I think now that the band was only after one more kick at the can, they got it, they are done.

Paul Rogers was already an established artist so it’s just another good gig. Adam Lambert got all the exposure he needed with AI, singing cover songs for Queen is going backwards really,
he needs to get his artistic vision out there while the iron is superhot.

Plus Rockstar Queen would be one killer show. You know that Queen would attract the creme de la creme of rock vocalists out there and that Queen could use their own vast catalogue and call up anyone and get clearance for any song on the planet. They could probably even get Bowie to show up. Bwah. Adam could the Dave Navarro of the show though.

It also helped that Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s home state contributed 1/3rd of the votesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. AI isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a one vote system. Kris winning doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean he has more fans than Adam. It just means his fans were more likely to vote non-stop for 4 hours.

I don’t think it matters even if this did happen. It’s over, Kris won. I wish him the best. Though honestly? my petty bitter side does want Adam to do better. Just being honest here. I like Kris, don’t think I’ll ever buy anything he makes, if his previous work is any indication, but I do still wish him well. Just not as well. It’s the only thing that will assuage me with Adam’s losing. :innocent1_tb:

I don’t necessarily think that not winning will be the best thing for Adam at all. 19Evil has shown they are perfectly willing and able to screw over the runners-up with bad songs/bad promotion. See; Bice, Bo and Lewis, Blake. And Adam is polarizing and a flamboyant gay guy in a culture where that isn’t necessarily rewarded. So I would have liked him to have gotten every advantage he could get by winning. Not as if he doesn’t still have the disadvantages of having to put up with the soul sucking powers of 19Evil. He does. So yeah, this isn’t some great “win,” for him in his coming in second.

And just as a personal thing, I am more than beyond tired of hearing how Adam will do well on Broadway!! like it’s his consolation prize and the best that he could get. I promise not to call Kris some dime a dozen cafe singer I could hear in any college, if I never hear that again. Deal?

I also don’t buy the fact that block voting favoured one contestant over the other – one would be very naive to assume that some Adam fans were not employing the same “techniques” as some Kris fans.

And I also believe it has only been recently that people living outside of the USA have been able to vote in Idol though not legally – now that could skew things.

When you are talking about a show that allows and encourages unlimited texting and phone votes there’s really no legitimate argument for “Arkansas stole the win for Kris,” even if the story is true (and it appears it isn’t). AI is based on which contestants inspires the most passion in fans. Last night it was Kris.

A factor in his win that is being overlooked, besides the fact that he’s a talented guy who obviously connected to the general public, is that he did his duet with Keith Urban, a major country star. Country fans watch AI and have been known to get behind certain contestants. Maybe that helped swing the casual voter to throw a few votes Kris Allen’s way.

Think about it – Adam would have more appeal in larger urban areas like LA and NYC where frankly people have better things to do than watch TV let alone Idol let alone power voting.

Or should I say there is more going on in urban areas so there is more entertainment options than TV whereas many areas, like the town I live in, nothing better to do on Tuesday and Wednesday nights for most of us.

That is why Toronto contestants do not fare as well on Canadian Idol. Torontonians are firstly more blase and secondly they have more entertainment options competing for their attention.

lavender1960
Is Paul Rogers no longer singing for Queen?

No, he isn’t. As of less than two weeks ago.

I just kinda think the timing of Rodgers’ departure is very interesting. He’s said it was “never meant to be permanent”, and that’s likely. But Brian May clearly likes Adam as a singer, and Adam’s huge vocal range and dominant stage persona is reminiscent of a modern-day Freddie Mercury (albeit with better dental work). Personally, I’d pay to see Adam with Queen, and I never pay for concert tickets.

I mentioned in another thread last night that it was awfully interesting to me that Queen showed up unspoilered and unannounced, that Brian’s body language appeared very favorable toward Adam, and that whatever he said to Adam at the end of that performance looked significant to me. I think it would be a great move for both parties to have Adam do some dates with Queen over the next year or so while he works on other projects. It’s a smart artistic move and a smart business move for all concerned.

Is Paul Rogers no longer singing for Queen?

No, Queen Paul Rodgers split last week. Their studio album tanked so…

Is Queen Adam Lambert a possibility? I think so! I hope so at least. As a die hard Adam fan, and a die hard Kris not-liker I am truly glad that his career doesn’t have to start with Kara’s treacle tune.

I’m glad AT&T released that statement, because that whole story sounded ridiculous.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think it matters even if this did happen. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s over, Kris won. I wish him the best. Though honestly? my petty bitter side does want Adam to do better. Just being honest here. I like Kris, donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll ever buy anything he makes, if his previous work is any indication, but I do still wish him well. Just not as well. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the only thing that will assuage me with Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s losing. :innocent1_tb:

LOL! Well that was honest, wasn’t it? I think that’s kind of normal (especially if you are a naturally competitive person) but if I could offer you a teeny tiny bit of advice.. if you let that go on too long unchecked, it starts to become its own little self fueled force, and it becomes the focus of all enjoyment of Adam’s career instead of, you know, Adam’s actual career! LOL. In that way, whatever life Adam makes for himself after this will never be fun for you unless it is totally crushing Kris’ career in every way. You will find yourself analyzing every piece of data for ways Adam is “better”, counting google searches and internet articles and applause-o-meters for confirmation of his superiority, obsessing over every single and album chart placement to make sure he’s higher than the other guy, etc. And it will never be over, because there is no way to win that game – the finish line just keeps moving back with every single and album release, every tour, every awards ceremony. Meanwhile, Adam himself will not care one whit about any of this. So you will have effectively made it about you and not about him.

Don’t do it! Run! Stay sane! Keep chanting to yourself: “Remember the Claymates”. **shudders**

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think your average AI viewer at home was dialing for Kris with one fist and shaking the other at Simon.

Last year, Cook would have won regardless (he had the votes sewn up as soon as Michael Johns was eliminated), but not by as much. WNTS wrote an article (can’t seem to find the link right now) about how they picked up very heavy anecdotal evidence on forums through out the Idolsphere that fans of other contestants, who had previously felt their faves weren’t treated fairly, threw votes to Cook because they felt the judges were running him over with the bus.

According to WNTS, in almost all of these accounts, the poster stated that they hadn’t originally planned on voting. But, apparently they looked at Simon’s “knockout” verdict and saw it as a representation of the way they felt their Idols were treated, and they unexpectedly found themselves voting out their frustrations. WNTS said there was particular evidence of Jason Castro fans doing this.

For a personal account to back up the syndrome WNTS refernced, my own sister had never voted in her life before, but she text voted for Cook “ten to fifteen times” she said because she was so outraged about that finale….

Think about it – Adam would have more appeal in larger urban areas like LA and NYC where frankly people have better things to do than watch TV let alone Idol let alone power voting.

Well, if they don’t watch TV let alone Idol, they don’t care who won let alone who is competing. They are probably also too busy with their exciting lives to attend a concert by an Idol contestant or buy one of their albums, so they are kind of beside the point, IMO. It’s like wondering which contestant would be more popular with Afghani goat herders and Fransiscan monks. An interesting discussion point, but who wants to bother trying to appeal to either group when they are unlikely to be customers?

Although, I would challenge the theory that nobody in LA or NYC watches TV let alone Idol. If it is true, I say let the people in Arkansas who do watch the show pick the winner.

AT&T released a statement that the story regarding 38mil votes is wrong.

Colour me completely unsurprised. What do you want to bet that the story of 38 million votes will live on forever in the great AI mythology?

David Cook at Kiis Fm after idol finale

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7ngcbzEFc4

Even here, even now, after the show ended, Adam and the word Gay are inextricably wed. It is simply terrible commentary on this blog and on society as a whole. Adam is a singer. Kris is a singer. Their private parts don’t change how they sing.

To be honest, after seeing Adam perform with KISS and Queen he confirmed my initial assessment. Yes he has a great voice but I still get the vibe that he is playing at rockstar – something is missing for me in his voice, a grit, a rawness that I expect from my rock vocalists, maybe he is too polished, too pitch perfect, not even sure I can define it. Didn’t help seeing a rock band the night before live where theatrics and voice matched the music to perfection.

And I suspect hard core Queen fans are a fickle bunch but then again new Queen may not be playing to or attracting that group of fans. I am sure there are many Freddie and Queen fans who think it was blasphemous to go on tour with Paul Rogers let alone a guy from an American reality show.

However I suspect that if Adam is allowed to do his own thing, as in get that solo career up and running where hopefully he can be this true authentic self and if his music reflects it, he could change my mind.

I don’t know if this has been posted before but interesting — I thought Daughtry would be higher on the list:

Top Ten Money Makers from Idol
http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/18/top-earning-american-idols-business-media-idols_slide_10.html?thisSpeed=15000

Eh, she is always nicer than me, soooo sad, our last American Idol replay of the year!:::

http://www.myfoxyumaelcentro.com/myfox/

AT&T released a statement that the story regarding 38mil votes is wrong. Lol, well that makes sense, i know Kris got a big vote from his home state, but in a state where there are only 2mil people, kinda hard to imagine it could produce close to 40 mil votes. MJ, have you heard more on this?

Here is a link

“AT&T is denying that 38 million votes came in from Arkansas,” Fox’s KLRT-TV affiliate in Little Rock, Arkansas reported in an revised report late Thursday morning. “They are not sure where that number originated from.”

Even here, even now, after the show ended, Adam and the word Gay are inextricably wed. It is simply terrible commentary on this blog and on society as a whole. Adam is a singer. Kris is a singer. Their private parts donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t change how they sing.

I am happy the way Adam is handling the questions. It is none of anyone’s business. I do not know why some people need to label him. I don’t care what “so and so” says in any public forum. The person who should be controlling this conversation is Adam. And if he likes people speculating, than that’s where it should be left. Rock on Adam! I loved the outfit you wore for the Kiss numbers.

rbidol: Hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the quote:

AT&T is denying that 38 million votes came in from Arkansas. They are not sure where that number originated from.

That is the FOX news station’s interpretation of what AT&T is saying. In the article you linked, what AT&T actually said is this:

Some how news spread that there were 38 million votes from Arkansas. AT&T says, “We can’t confirm how many votes were cast in Arkansas, and we can’t comment on the number of votes for any contestant.”

That’s not a denial, that’s called backpedaling. Seems like someone spoke out of turn and now they regret that the information was put out there because it casts a taint on Kris’s win. I absolutely believe the 38 million number was correct. The family of the Governor cast 1000 votes. The Speaker of the House trumpeted the number. This was a state-wide effort.

In my opinion, this was neither a popularity nor a singing contest. It was an amateur competition that was won by professional voting techniques. These votes do not represent the votes of fans, they represent the votes of hometown or home state pride. Take away the massive organized voting effort in Arkansas and Kris would not have won. Some of the commentators said that Adam’s support was deep but not necessarily broad. In fact, it was Kris who lacked the broad national support. Yes, I’m sure people will raise their hands and say, “hey, I’m from wherever and I liked Kris.” Anecdotal evidence. Back these numbers out and there’s a lot less left to spread around the rest of the country. Arkansas’s Idol, indeed.

My prediction: they will revamp the voting rules on this show to prevent this from happening again. Simon was not happy with the winner and the existing rules made this winner possible. And now that people are wise to the model, they will start manipulating the system even earlier in the process. Future F10 contestants will need to hire professional promoters to stay in the competition unless they come from the rural South.

Yuck at Kris and Adam going to RCA. RCA is such a sucky label. I would’ve been happy if they went to Jive.

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s official web site is already up!

http://www.adamofficial.com/

THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!! :clap_tb:

Future F10 contestants will need to hire professional promoters to stay in the competition unless they come from the rural South.

LOL. Am I the only one that remembers the stories of Kat’s Dad hiring people to dial for her at call centers he set up (and that he worked for Fox). Or the “legends” of the Indian call centers dialing back to the states to vote for Sanjaya. (caveat: there is no evidence that either story is true)

These myths have been around for years already. The theoretical model has existed for years.

The fact is, fans have been contributing to buy go phones for fellow fans for seasons. Viewing/voting parties have been around since year 1. Skype and Gizmo have been utilized for voting since they came into existence. Kris fans did nothing new this year. If some of the Adam fans didn’t do the same sort of things, I’d be completely stunned (especially since many have been in the Idol trenches for years and have done those sorts of things in the past).

Kirsten I agree with you I was just addressing this blaming Kris because Arkansas supposedly comprised 1/3 of the overall votes.

The reality is everyone should know who the core audience of Idol is so it is not that surprising that Kris could win over Adam and regional voting is just the way it goes because that is just how demographics roll, whether it be Idol or presidential elections.

And I never said people from LA or NYC don’t watch AI and don’t vote. Half of LA after all was at the Nokia Theatre last night right?

For a personal account to back up the syndrome WNTS refernced, my own sister had never voted in her life before, but she text voted for Cook à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“ten to fifteen timesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  she said because she was so outraged about that finaleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

Also anecdotal: I myself, and some coworkers who had never voted before ended up throwing some votes to DC after Simon’s comment. S7 was my first full season, so I wasn’t privvy to web stuff, except for EW and TWOP articles, and those two sources seemed to me wildly pro-Cook, so had Simon not said what he did, I would have assumed DC had the win sewn up, no voting necessary. Simon’s comments were a wake up call, and I threw about 15-20 votes to DC that night in defiance. My friends probably voted <10 times each. Much is said about power voting/texting and fanbases, but the casual voters add up, IMO.

That said, I don’t think people voted for Kris in defiance of this season’s producer/judge manipulations. Casual viewers have shorter term memories and tend to vote week to week, and Tuesday’s judging was pretty even between Kris/Adam.

Call it what it is–a texting competition. Damned if I will buy a GoPhone and power text for 4 straight hours. I am not that daft.

What is a GoPhone?

Does Idol charge for each text vote? Some reality shows do charge something like 75 cents a vote. Likely cuts down on overvoting or makes the show good money. I can’t vote so I never paid attention.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not a denial, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s called backpedaling. Seems like someone spoke out of turn and now they regret that the information was put out there because it casts a taint on Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s win. I absolutely believe the 38 million number was correct. The family of the Governor cast 1000 votes. The Speaker of the House trumpeted the number. This was a state-wide effort.

Who is your source for the 38 million number that you “absolutely believe”? If you are so committed to this number, where did it come from? We have no name. We have no knowledge of who said it, and whether or not they knew what they were talking about. We don’t know the context in which it was said…someone could easily have been exaggerating in the heat of the moment. For all we know the number came from a receptionist who was just like, “Yea, phone lines were really busy last night. Musta had 38 million votes from Arkansas!”

Very few AT&T workers, if any, would be able to calculate how many votes went to American Idol from the whole state of Arkansas. Who knows this information, and why hasn’t information like this ever been released before in the history of Idol?

How come the DialIdol numbers don’t reflect this? What evidence is there that thousands of Arkansas residents mastered complex power-voting techniques?

How come the rest of the country voted so little? Only 60 million votes…not much for a finale? How was Kris on top of DialIdol all night long from the national numbers of this was such a regional phenomenon? How come my calls were busy ALL NIGHT LONG for Kris, even from Rhode Island, if this was a Arkansas thing?

Why do we believe the people of AR know how to text-message so much better than the Adam fans across the country?

Do you believe every unsourced rumor on the news?

^Excellent post rbidol.

The numbers are def screwy 88 million last week but less than 100 million this week. And with four hours available for voting instead of two. I don’t buy the 38 million Arkansas votes either. I had major issues geting a few calls from NYC and we have about 3 to 4x the population of their state.

Yuck at Kris and Adam going to RCA. RCA is such a sucky label. I wouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been happy if they went to Jive.

I’m always interested in this bit of fan mythology.

Jive and RCA are both divisions of Sony.

RCA is the label for Daughtry, David Cook, and Kelly Clarkson. Jive is the record label for Jordin Sparks and David Archuleta.

Seemingly, Jive has been a good fit for two finalist who (at least for their first records) sang pure pop and aimed primarily at a teen market.

But RCA has been the label for the Idols who went rock or rock/pop.

Carrie, as a country artist, was matched with a label, Arista Nashville, that had a strong track record in country.

Clearly, artist’s management tries to match the artist to the label who does best in a particular genre and market. All told, Idol artists have sold a lot more records through RCA then through Jive, although Jive seems to do a good job with younger skewing pop. Out of the S7 final two, each clearly found the right niche for their music, though Cook has sold quite a few more albums (1.1 mil to 700,000).

It seems like a hammer vs screwdriver situation–you want the right tool for the right problem. But not sure why Jive would be better for Allen or Lambert unless they are definitely going to aim for Jordin and Archie’s niche . . .

Exactly, rbIdol. You pretty much summed up what I’ve been thinking about the whole Arkansas-voting thing. Plus, could they even get 38 mil votes through in 4 hours? You’d think that would completely overload the circuts.

Why do we believe the people of AR know how to text-message so much better than the Adam fans across the country?

I think it’s just big city versus small town mentality. I live in Los Angeles and I don’t recall hearing about any voting parties. From what I have read, there were huge voting parties in Arkansas which including free food etc. I think in a small town, these things are much easier to organize and get turn outs to. That’s not anyone’s fault, it just is what it is.

Also, ATT, you can get unlimited texting and so there is no extra charge above your normal billing. It’s not very hard to sit there and hit the resend button over and over again. Also someone from Arkansas said in another thread that AT&T is huge there.

The 38 million number original came from an AT&T source, (I think) so if it is true, I think we can assume these were text votes. And of course these wouldn’t register on dial idol as dial idol only registers phone calls. Maybe it’s a bogus number, or maybe AT&T is back peddling on AT&T because someone leaked the info when they shouldn’t have?

Also, who is to say this doesn’t happen ever year? Perhaps the home state of each Idol winner always casts the lion’s share of the votes?

Which brings us to the California curse. (think Kat McPhee as well and even Allison). People here just don’t do the orgainzed voting thing. So it’s no surprise that the vote turned out this way.

It’s a reality show, it is what it is. They both are winners and they both get recording contracts. So I’m happy for both.

oh this was interesting from someon who attended the finale:

“But, as we exited the Nokia the staff were handing out these flyers, which on one side is advertising for the AI tour and than on the other is for the Demi / David tour.”

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and id really like to know why they didnt say the voting margin between the two.. unless they didnt want everyone to know kris whooped adam in votes…

Not pleased with the American Idol voting system? Contact them!

http://www.watchingamericanidol.com/contact/

There are so many threads going on in here today so I am not sure if these have been posted yet. Ryan had a bunch of interviews this morning (Adam, Kris, Simon and Randy).

Here is the link

Simon calls Kris a Puppy dog, and thinks the only idol that ranks below him is Taylor Hicks. I guess only time will tell.

Simon calls Kris a Puppy dog, and thinks the only idol that ranks below him is Taylor Hicks. I guess only time will tell.

Uhh, Simon? I think Kris will do better than Ruben, at least. Just sayin’.

I guess it’s just Simon’s Star Search note mentality. That’s what he likes, and Kris doesn’t do that. But whatever, we’ll see.

That said, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think people voted for Kris in defiance of this seasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s producer/judge manipulations. Casual viewers have shorter term memories and tend to vote week to week, and Tuesdayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s judging was pretty even between Kris/Adam.

Actually I’ve dealt with more than a few casual viewers who were voting for Kris in the final, because they didn’t like the “pimping,” of Adam. And in fact who had liked Adam until all the “pimping,” made them not like him and decide to vote for Kris. These people even got peeved he was on EW cover, like it was something TPTB did or santioned.

Don’t think it was a factor overall, just that I have dealt with it and it annoys me. I mean, it’s not Adam’s fault and he’s never been anything, but gracious. So penalizing him for something others do, doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, but hey, that was their “reasoning.”

A factor in his win that is being overlooked, besides the fact that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a talented guy who obviously connected to the general public, is that he did his duet with Keith Urban, a major country star. Country fans watch AI and have been known to get behind certain contestants. Maybe that helped swing the casual voter to throw a few votes Kris Allenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s way.

How would that have any bearing at all?
The voting was already in.

Anywho- so is Kris’s original stuff even remotely country?
Because this duet sure felt to me like they were going to skew him in that direction. It would work well, but has he any interest in that market?

How would that have any bearing at all?
The voting was already in.

It would have none at all. TOTAL brainfart. haha

The anger and conspiracy theories, the sour grapes and the gloating I’ve observed online last night and today are exactly the reasons I think AI fandom is filled with the most unstable people around. At the end of the day it is a tv show filled with people we enjoy but will never, ever know. Their careers will work out or they won’t. The wailing and gnashing of teeth all over the ‘net is bizarre. I voted all season for Adam and Allison but I just can’t bring myself to be THAT invested.

http://www.kiisfm.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=onair.xml

Simon hates Kara’s song! Said she has a good body “for her age”. Simon did give Kris props for winning America’s popular vote, but said that Kris wasn’t the best singer in the competition. I think Kris would agree with that too. The best “singer” doesn’t always win the competition anyway.

ETA: Just listened to Randy’s interview with Ryan. Randy’s laugh is infectious to me. Randy did NOT realize that he does that “for me, for you” thing until the show last night! The snark on the judges last night was FUNNY!

ETAA: Watch Adam’s main post show interview as opposed to reading it in above articles. It’s a lot more interesting to me. Almost like watching him perform on stage as opposed to just listening to his record.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehzEY7cgMvg

This is a follow up quote from the girl at surviorsucks who went to the afterparty (I think I put the first quote in one of the Finale threads):

I was wondering why Scott didn’t have a duet with anyone! Rickey Minor on AI Extra did say that duets and musical arrangements were changing up to the day of the show!

Just got home at 4:54 am!! Only got to listen to Adam be interviewed live a couple of times. He is very tall, thin and handsome. I did get to quickly tell Allison congratulations. She is actually quite extroverted, smart, playful and energetic and I have no doubt she could pummel Gokey into mush if she needed to. I felt bad for Scott because he had to keep explaining to people why he didn’t get a duet. They couldn’t find someone else for him to perform with because Billy Joel cancelled so late. Everyone was really super happy and enthusiastic. Oh, man, Kris is short but most of the contestants seemed short to me. Adam, Scott, Megan and Anoop stood out as tall. Gokey was underdressed and looked sloppy.

Bottom line, it seemed like a lot of people in the music world really want to work with Adam AND Allison. I overheard some A&R guy say that Randy Jackson will have to settle for producing someone from the 5th thru 10th place because Adam and Allison have their choices of songwriters and people who want to work with them. It was odd that no one was talking much about Kris but I think that may be because his album will be more an AI engineered product and he’s less up for grabs. But I also got the sense that people like Matt, Anoop, Lil, Scott and Alexis could wind up with albums and that Randy might produce Lil.

Oh and Kara was shooting off her mouth about how she wanted to write songs for the kids. Poor kids.

Addressing the Queen issue (one more time today!), I heard Adam interviewed on Fox this morning, and he was specifically asked if there was a conversation with Queen regarding him singing with them after the show. Adam specifically said “yes, it was addressed, we’ll see….”

He may have said in another interview that would not be an avenue of interest for him, but he did specifically state it was a subject discussed with Queen.

For me, for him, for them – I say it would be a great fit. But I believe it is a pipe dream that will never happen.

I heard Adam interviewed on Fox this morning, and he was specifically asked if there was a conversation with Queen regarding him singing with them after the show. Adam specifically said à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“yes, it was addressed, weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll seeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Oh my. Do you have the link to this interview? I love me some Queen and Adam.

lol answered my own question

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=011008&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=5219021&referralPlaylistId=playlist

Simon calls Kris a Puppy dog, and thinks the only idol that ranks below him is Taylor Hicks. I guess only time will tell.

Oh, man, I feel sorry for the AI roadies for the auditions this year. Now they not only have to truck around 1 tree to obscure Taylor’s face, they’ll need a second one for Kris. And then there is all that time they will need to spend scraping gum of Kris’s picture. Maybe if they get a bushy enough tree they won’t need to bother.

Seriously, Kris, do whatever you have to do to get on a label that is not under the RCA umbrella. Maybe then you will have a chance. Simon/19 are such poor losers.

rbidol – this article does not include the quote you have listed:

guys, all the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Arkansas Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  thing can be put to rest. The story has been officially denied by AT&T. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s another example of the media getting hold of a rumor and running with ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦only to be proven wrong later.

Hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the story: http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story/Conway-reacts-to-Kris-win/sv8BNSsGY0G8GRZWSr0fRw.cspx

Hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the quote:

AT&T is denying that 38 million votes came in from Arkansas. They are not sure where that number originated from.

It never made any sense that less than 1% of the American population was responsible for almost 40% of the total votes. Arkansasà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s telecommunications structure could never handle that. You canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t automatically believe whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s on the news. This rumor never made sense.

HERE IS THE ACTUAL QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE:

“Some how news spread that there were 38 million votes from Arkansas. AT&T says, “We can’t confirm how many votes were cast in Arkansas, and we can’t comment on the number of votes for any contestant.” – Natasha Collins, AT&T spokeswoman.”

ALL THESE RUMORS WOULD JUST GO AWAY IF THEY SAID THERE WERE NOT 38 MILLION VOTES FROM ARKANSAS. But they didn’t. I wish they would.

The 38 million number original came from an AT&T source, (I think) so if it is true, I think we can assume these were text votes. And of course these wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t register on dial idol as dial idol only registers phone calls.

Exactly. Again, AT&T didn’t deny the 38 million figure, they simply said they couldn’t “confirm” it. Typical legalese. Based on what’s been said, no one knows for sure whether it’s true or not (i.e. the people who think the number is wrong don’t know that either). But my best guess is that if the 38 million number was wildly wrong or overinflated, they would have simply said so. They didn’t. Even though the paper didn’t include its source (i.e. identify the individual from AT&T who made the statement), I doubt they would have made the number up out of whole cloth or taken the word of the receptionist either.

I would LOVE it so much if Kris made an album that hit out of the park, in his own special way. Just to show folks that he won fair and square. AS it is, Kris seems to have had a better run on iTunes already, which takes nothing away from Adam’s showmanship and style. I just hate that Simon is being such an a-hole. Ultimately, though, what he really cares about is how many records are sold. And he could get quit a big shock, if Kris did far better than he expects in that department.

I felt bad for Scott because he had to keep explaining to people why he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get a duet.

That’s too bad for Scott… but can anyone explain why Matt didn’t get a duet? He had a brief solo at the beginning of the Santana number, and that was it. He finished 5th, while Scott finished, like, 8th, and had a planned duet? And of Anoop and Alexis (#11) got a number with Jason Mraz, and Sarver and Meghan (10th and whatever) got to yuk it up with Steve Martin. What gives?! Matt admittedly sucked a few times during the competition, but has been so great and relaxed once he exited that I was really looking forward to seeing confident/relaxed Matt.

The KISS fm interview with Kris and Katie was adorable! The new Idol Ken and Barbie!

I didn’t vote at all this season, so I have no investment. But I find Simon’s comments pretty awful, if typical. Can’t he just congratulate the winner and move on? It’s that sort of thing that drives me crazy about the whole machine. I know it’s nothing new. But, man. Can he at least have a shot before you set the tone for his failed career? It hasn’t even been 24 hours. Jeez.

but can anyone explain why Matt didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get a duet?

Well, the show can only last so long, even if it is Idol.

But, if I had to guess, I’d say Matt pissed off TPTB in some of his post-boot interviews. He agreed the judges had their favorites and would do whatever they had to so that those favored advance. That’s a no-no, politically and contractually. Not to mention, Matty seems to have forgotten how many extra lives the judges gave him what with the wildcard, save and what have you.

Anyway, that’s my guess.

Simon was on Ryan Seacrest’s show today. Simon said Kris was the nicest guy but not the best singer. Simon ranked Kris below Ruben but above Taylor. Simon also said Kara has a good body for her age. lol You can listen to the interview here.

But, if I had to guess, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say Matt pissed off TPTB in some of his post-boot interviews. He agreed the judges had their favorites and would do whatever they had to so that those favored advance. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a no-no, politically and contractually. Not to mention, Matty seems to have forgotten how many extra lives the judges gave him what with the wildcard, save and what have you.

Well, it could be that, but they gave Megan her own high-profile duet near the end of the show. She said way more against the show than Matt did, told Simon she didn’t care what he thought and was totally obnoxiously in the judge’s face during her sing-out (which she admits she did it on purpose because she thinks it’s rude when they don’t pay attention to her). She also did a shout-out for VFTW. And she too was a WildCard pick.

Perhaps Idol has a short memory. Or maybe Simon forgives pretty blondes more quickly. We know he thinks they deserve to be on the show more than talented singers (arguing that keeping the pretty blonde was more important than keeping the better singer during one of the sing-offs).

Kirsten:

Oh, man, I feel sorry for the AI roadies for the auditions this year. Now they not only have to truck around 1 tree to obscure Taylorà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s face, theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll need a second one for Kris.

Hopefully they won’t stick gum on Kris’ face…….

Simon calls Kris a Puppy dog, and thinks the only idol that ranks below him is Taylor Hicks. I guess only time will tell.

Simon is an ass who doesn’t like acoustic music. He doesn’t see talent in anyone who isn’t a belter.

BTW, Kris kept up with GLOBAL SUPERSTAR Keith Urban just fine last night. Adam isn’t the only one with potential (and I do love Adam too). Anyway, I don’t think what Simon thinks of Kris matters at this point. Putting a plant in front of his picture will have a minimal affect on his career. What really matters at this point is what Simon Fuller thinks of him. We’ll have to wait and see who he gets for co-writers and producer for his album, and what kind of album promo he gets. I am heartened by the pairing with Keith Urban last night though. At least someone there recognizes that there’s more than one kind of talent.

simon please go to hell.I dont believe Kris will be the next Ruben or Taylor.
He’s the same guy who supported Gokey? I cant wait for Kris to make a
album that goes far so Simon can pull another bitch face.What will Simon
ever do if Kris makes it before Adam does?

I just listened to the KISS interview w. kris and his wife….beyond adorable (she is a big seacrest fan, and was a bit starstruck)

Linda Holmes has a great post on NPR’s “Monkey See” blog about last night’s Kris Allen Victory:

Earning The Victory: Five Things Your ‘Idol’ Winner Did Right

I’m going to guess that much of the coverage you will hear about the American Idol result in the 24 hours after its conclusion will focus on why Lambert à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  media favorite, judges’ favorite à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  didn’t win, as opposed to why Kris Allen did.

And you will hear a lot of theories, and some of them will have merit. And all of them will provide, at best, a partial explanation of why Lambert didn’t walk away with the title.

What none of that will explain is why Allen, who was completely invisible for almost the entire audition/Hollywood period à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  and who started off the season with a thoroughly underwhelming performance of Michael Jackson’s “Man In The Mirror,” of all things à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  wound up winning the show.

I just listened to the KISS interview w. kris and his wifeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.beyond adorable (she is a big seacrest fan, and was a bit starstruck)

Katy……Lesson 1…..be careful who you’re starstruck by.

edit: don’t lecture posters

From what I have read, there were huge voting parties in Arkansas which including free food etc.

OMG!?! It was the free food that won Kris the title.

snuffles
May 21st, 2009 at 11:25 am
Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s official web site is already up!

http://www.adamofficial.com/

If you look at the top bar it says heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s signed to RCA Records!! (The bar flips between à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“My Playà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and the RCA logo.

wow, official website, this is really fast. and thank you !!!!!

Note to Ann Powers. Kris is not David Cook. I like Kris. But he ain’t David Cook.

Joel Madden, Nicole Richie, Others Take ‘American Idol’ Opinions To Twitter

By now, you’ve probably heard that Kris Allen took home the coveted “American Idol” crown last night. You’ve probably already Tweeted about the news and shared your two cents via your Facebook status. Well, many celebrities did the same thing. From former “Idol” runner-up David Archuleta to Emmy Rossum, stars took to their Twitter accounts late last night and early this morning. Some were enraged (Diablo Cody), some were apathetic (Pink) and some showed love for both Adam and Kris.

Jordin:

Jordin Sparks told MTV News earlier this season that she just couldn’t choose a favorite contestant. Well, the season-six “Idol” alum stayed consistent and when the final name was called, Sparks wrote, “Yaaaaay Kris!!! Yaaaaaaay Adam!!! Omg. Nice. Okay. Goodnight. ”

Archie:

Same goes for David Archuleta. “Wow! What an amazing show! Congrats to Kris! Also to Adam for the incredible job that he did too! They [are] some awesome performers!”

And Pink:

And finally, Pink didn’t really seem to know anything about “Idol,” but she did have a comment on the contestants’ rendition of her hit song “So What.”

“I heard it [through] the grapevine that someone butchered my song last night on TV,” Pink Tweeted. “Does that mean I’ve ‘made it?’ ”

More on the link…

Simon calls Kris a Puppy dog, and thinks the only idol that ranks below him is Taylor Hicks. I guess only time will tell.

So much for Simon telling everyone just before the results were announced that he didn’t mind if either of them won. LIAR.

Last night I was a bit sad Adam did not win, but like I had said earlier, I would have been shocked if he had won. I saw the writting on the wall a few weeks back.

After watching Adam & Kris with Queen last night, there is a moment towards the end of that duet where Kris comes over to Adam & they hit their fist together then do a sort of handshake. To me that shows what great friends they are, they were both proud to be the last two standing & support each other. That was a great moment!

I have also watched both Kris & Adam’s interviews. What great young men. They both deserved to win. Kris, you did deserve to win! Claim it! You are a great talent! Congrats Kris & Kris fans! You did him proud!

Adam, love ya Boo! Now go out and Rule The World!

So both guys are signing to RCA??? I think that’s a good plan for Adam.If i were Kris i would be afraid to join anything 19E since Simon is part of that company.Look at what they did to stars like Blake,Bo and i think Elliot? Simon
might want to put some ugly melodys and tunes to fit the lyrics.Kris being way
to shy wont speak up.However I think he has big people like Chris Daughty on his side who would kick Simon’s ass if he even went there lol.

OMG!?! It was the free food that won Kris the title.

:bye_tb:

Nothing but a texting contest, sponsered by AT&T.

Linda Holmes has a great post on NPRà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Monkey Seeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  blog about last nightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Kris Allen Victory:

Thank you for posting that. I always enjoy Miss Allie’s writing and I thought she raised some very good points about how Kris’s victory came about.

BTW I think the competition was actually won with “Heartless” last week. This week was just a formality. Had the AI producers been less controlling (ie the two had a chance to play their own games), things could have been very different.

Kimberly Caldweel just twittered this
Signing my record deal right now with Vanguard/Capitol records! Crying like a baby while doing so!!!!
Kim’s Twitter
Congrats to her!

Crying like a baby while doing so!!!!

Is that because neither the runner-up or winner will date her so all that leaves her is Gokey?

Sorry, I couldn’t resist the obvious joke. Seriously, congratulations to Kim on getting a record deal.

ITunes has updated and added the new live performance of David Cook’s Permanent, the charity version.

Very different from the album cut, with the full on band, and of course, proceeds go to the fight against brain cancer.

:bye_tb: Hello to you too. Don’t worry I’ll be leaving.

Hey Rea! I know tensions are running here – but I really meant that I loved what you said! Just got the wrong smiley for that. Kudos for your smart joke, really I mean it! :smile_wp:

Kirsten, LOL at your KimCaldwell jest. I was secretly daring her to blather on about how much she wants to make out with Adam and/or Kris. They did us a big favor by not being available to that shameless hussy! (Oh well, it takes all kinds…)

Is RCA a good label for Kris?

Crying like a baby while doing so!!!!

Is that because neither the runner-up or winner will date her so all that leaves her is Gokey?

Oh SNAP!

Congrats on Kim’s record deal. I’ve been waiting for something from her for years now. No snark. I like Kim.

The sky is the llimit for Adam. I am excited to see what happens next. Gonna be fun.

LOL I wonder what changed so suddenly that now after years off Idol Kim C has a record deal? Well, good for her.

Woohoo, Permanent is FINALLY up!

Congrats to Kim C. She’s been recording and working towards this for YEARS. Persistence paid off.

*and I can’t wait until this news reaches other internet sites so I can watch the DC fans trying, somehow, to make this all about him, as usual.*

The anger and conspiracy theories, the sour grapes and the gloating Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve observed online last night and today are exactly the reasons I think AI fandom is filled with the most unstable people around. At the end of the day it is a tv show filled with people we enjoy but will never, ever know. Their careers will work out or they wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t. The wailing and gnashing of teeth all over the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹net is bizarre. I voted all season for Adam and Allison but I just canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t bring myself to be THAT invested.

And this is the reason I stopped going to the Cook fan boards. The odd combo of women worried about his nutritional intake and sleep habits while simultaneously wanting to lick his thighs just totally creeped me out :eek_wp:

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s official web site is already up!

http://www.adamofficial.com/

kris allen is up too http://www.krisallenofficial.com
heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s also signed to RCA

kris:200 online fans
adam: 700 online fans

to kris fans: you guys need to show more interestsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Yeah what they said ^^^, even David Cook one year after he won has 1204 fans online right now.

and I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t wait until this news reaches other internet sites so I can watch the DC fans trying, somehow, to make this all about him, as usual.*

Seriously? I’m sure you can successfully argue that a small segment of any Idol fanbase will do/say anything crazy, but I can’t imagine the bulk of DC’s fanbase giving a crap. And you know, DC’s name gets brought up when people make fun of Kim C because that’s what tabloids and entertainment media do– bring up celebrities’ dating history even when it’s irrelevant. The tie in is not necessarily from DC fans. For the record, I’m a DC fan who likes Kim, and from what I can tell, a lot of DC fans either like or are indifferent about here. I don’t relate her career plans with DC at all, though.

*and I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t wait until this news reaches other internet sites so I can watch the DC fans trying, somehow, to make this all about him, as usual.*

It isn’t all about DC? Drat!

Hehe. Just kidding. :mrgreen_wp:

I don’t understand why Adam should have to say publicly that he’s gay. He is gay. He’s not ashamed of it. But it’s his business. I agree with the TWOP reviewer who said that the question doesn’t need to be asked. And if you feel it does, then you probably aren’t ready for the answer.

picked up very heavy anecdotal evidence on forums through out the Idolsphere that fans of other contestants, who had previously felt their faves werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t treated fairly, threw votes to Cook because they felt the judges were running him over with the bus.

That’s why I qualified my statement with “average viewer”. I’m not talking about Idol fans who follow the show online. I’m talking about the casual viewer who picks up the phone for their favorite.

I just joined the official Adam Lambert site, and currently there are 817 Fans online…and I checked Kris’s he only has 254…looks like the glamberts might just make Adam the more successful of the 2 guys…but time will tell, it is only day 1 of two very bright and shiny careers. And for as disappointed I am that Adam lost, at least a good guy won (IMHO not as talented as Adam, but that’s debatable and only my opinion). Congrats to both guys! I like Kris, but I LOVE ADAM!

naomit, I think Kris having the 3rd 5th and 8th songs on Itunes shows his fans are showing up where it matters most, to purchase is music. Adam obviously has a large online fan base, but so did people like Bo and Blake, I guarantee they would have had more people at their fan websites just after the finale than Jordin and Carrie, and we all know how that turned out in the long run. I am not saying this will happen to Adam, because I think he is much more talented than Blake was, and has the potential for a much more current sound than Bo did, but I think Kris not having as many people at a fan site doesn’t mean those fans don’t exist.

RE: Jive vs RCA – I look at it this way, IMO, Jive is more committed and patient with their artists. Perfect example is Jordin. I really believe that she would’ve been dropped right away if she was with RCA given her “poor” album sales initially. That’s what I like about Jive. They’re patient. Sure, RCA has both Kelly and Daughtry who brought them millions of album and single sales, but they also had Katharine Mcphee and Bo Bice both of which flopped miserably and were dropped instantly. RCA seems to be more interested in quick bucks and they wouldn’t give you a second chance if you don’t perform to their expectations. If we’re going to genres and label “specialties”, Adam seems best fitted at RCA while Kris seems fitted to J/Arista. Although like what I said, they would be better off to a label like Jive who can help them have strong singles.

I was listening to the radio interview with Simon/Ryan.I think Ryan was worst than Simon.That whole production is crap..kris will kick there ass on there stage next year and they will cry themselfes to sleep.

Speaking of labels, does anyone remember how long it took for official confirmation for Label signing for Archie and Cook last year? Seemed quick if I remember right.

Does anyone know where No Boundary is on the charts?

Starrlight, I remember it was really quick after the finale, because I remember it was in stark contrast to Jordin, who wasn’t announced as signed to Jive until like the end of August, but there were rumors her family was dragging out negotiations.

The show declined in viewership by 10%. It’s still big–but not as big–and that should worry the producers. Yet they still don’t seem to get it. They continue to blatantly push their favorites—and end up alienating much of the country as a result. Hollywood needs to remember there are still places in America which value humility and sincerity over egotism and artifice.

Starrlight, I think it was within a week of Finale — yeah, pretty fast! Especially since the year before we waited till the end of July to hear about Jordin’s signing.

eta: gangreen29 beat me to it!

“Yeah what they said ^^^, even David Cook one year after he won has 1204 fans online right now”

Small potatoes compared to Archie’s fan numbers online.

They continue to blatantly push their favoritesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ and end up alienating much of the country as a result. Hollywood needs to remember there are still places in America which value humility and sincerity over egotism and artifice.

ummm…praepos…I assume that last part about “humility and sincerity” is your opinion that Adam was neither of these two things?? I’m not exactly sure what you were watching, because it clearly wasn’t idol…Adam has shown nothing but humility and sincerity.
Now the judges are a different story and you CANNOT blame Adam for their favoritism…it’s not his fault that they actually recognized talent and acknowledged it. Once again, I like Kris, but I LOVE Adam.

Speaking of labels, does anyone remember how long it took for official confirmation for Label signing for Archie and Cook last year? Seemed quick if I remember right.

Cook I think it was one week later after the finale… Archie was until they were about to go on tour… If IÂ ´m not mistaking it was in June….

ETA.
Looked at it, Archie press release about his signing was 5th June last year

LOL I wonder what changed so suddenly that now after years off Idol Kim C has a record deal? Well, good for her.

People may like her or not… but to me Kim is super smart and has a great virtue, she’s a fighter and doesn’t give up. She never dropped from the map. She kept making contacts and meeting people. I have no idea where this is going, many people sign contracts and then nothing really happens. But I’m happy for her and I think she deserves. Plus, she’s got a great image, that probably helps. LOL She’s one of the most successful contestants.
I do obviously like her voice, so I can’t wait to see what she’ll do. Oh, and yes, I’m a DC fan btw.

So now the amount of fans that are online at a given time at official sites are an indicator of success? LOL I remember when Blake had double the number of friends Jordin had on MySpace once they got their pages back and there was this belief he was automatically more popular.

naomit, I think Kris having the 3rd 5th and 8th songs on Itunes shows his fans are showing up where it matters most, to purchase is music

And to vote apparently.

KrisAllen1: the itunes top 100 songs rss feed shows Kris’ No Boundaries at #2.

other songs of interest:
#5 Kris’ Heartless
#6 DC’s Permanent
#7 Adam’s Mad World
#9 Kris’ Ain’t No Sunshine
#11 Adam’s A Change Is Gonna Come
#13 Keith Urban’s Kiss A Girl (duetted w/Kris in finale on this)
#18 Kris’ Heartless (post-finale re-release?)
#19 Adam’s No Boundaries
#26 Kris’ Apologize
#27 Jason Mraz’ I’m Yours (did he sing that on finale? I forget)
#31 Adam’s A Change Is Gonna Come (post-finale re-release?)
#32 Kris’ What’s Going On
#33 Kris’ Ain’t No Sunshine (post-finale re-release)
#34 Carrie’s Home Sweet Home
#36 Adam’s Mad World (post-finale re-release)
#39 Adam’s One
#42 Allison/Adam’s Slow Ride
#48 Adam’s Cryin’
#49 Kris’ Falling Slowly
#51 Danny’s You Are So Beautiful

I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t remember NPR ever doing more than an brief announcement of the winner in past seasons, but they did a full feature on last nightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s finale on Morning Edition:

So, would this make Kris the first Idol to do a feature on Fresh Air when his album comes out? I think that would be awesome!

Yes, I’m an NPR dork. lol

The funny thing is, I could totally see Adam doing it too. He might just put something out that’s experimental enough to be hipster cool!

Michelle
May 21st, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Starrlight, I think it was within a week of Finale à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  yeah, pretty fast! Especially since the year before we waited till the end of July to hear about Jordinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s signing.

eta: gangreen29 beat me to it!

Thanks guys! I thought it was super fast but was afraid I might be doing a little wishful thinking. I was gonna have to go to the scary boards :unsure_tb:

naomit, I think Kris having the 3rd 5th and 8th songs on Itunes shows his fans are showing up where it matters most, to purchase is music.

Aren’t those rolling charts that cover 3-4 days?
Kris could be a bit of a late discovery to many new fans who are now flocking to pick up songs they didn’t know about or bother with before he exploded.

I can’t speak for all of Adam’s fans, but I have had all of his since the preorders first became available, so the numbers that would include my purchases have long since passed.

Kris finally admitted that he might of appealed to be more people.He stopped the humbleiness thank god.

http://www.accesshollywood.com/american-idol/kris-allen-talks-idol-win-may-21-2009_videotab_1108983

I just listened to the studio recordings of No Boundaries….the song sucks in general regardless of who’s singing it…but Adam definitely was 100 times better than Kris. I would actually consider stopping and listening to his version on the radio…Kris’s not so much…pretty lackluster…but for as much as I like Kris as a person I think lackluster sums up him..mediocre…I know I’ll get flamed for this, but that’s just how I feel…I still think he’ll have a decent career for at least a year or two, but the Jason Mraz/John Mayer/coffee shop singer guy thing is already pretty played out even before it was decided that’s what his style sounds like to most people…maybe he should go the country route…country is fairly safe and is like Cher, it will always be around. Just a thought…

Yup I bought them all the minute they were available too, Buderschnookie.

Heck I even bought the Hideous Hurricane song.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Yeah what they said ^^^, even David Cook one year after he won has 1204 fans online right nowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Small potatoes compared to Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fan numbers online.

What is Archie’s official sites address, the one I see on google can’t be it the address is weird ending in network.ning.com, that can’t be right.

Kris is number 2 on itunes.I think that’s pretty good and close to number 1.Considering that everyone or most people didnt like the song.I dont think
Kris’s single is the first to go to number 2 overnight.The same happen to
Cookie i think.

On the other hand Jim Cantiello answer me two times in twitter tosay morningà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I ´m happy and yes I ´m a very simple person to please

Braggart! I’m a jellus h8er! :furious_tb:

So, would this make Kris the first Idol to do a feature on Fresh Air when his album comes out? I think that would be awesome!

Yes, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m an NPR dork. lol

The funny thing is, I could totally see Adam doing it too. He might just put something out thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s experimental enough to be hipster cool!

That would be cool. I share your NPR lurve.

Michelle, thanks for the iTunes chart. That reminds me I need to grab some from this week. I, too, have bought them weekly so they wouldn’t be reflected right now.

ETA: Online fan numbers mean nada when it comes to selling records. The Idols have to appeal to people outside the Idol fandom to sell a lot of records. Some succeed with the right material and promotion, while others do not. I don’t think it’s time to make predictions just yet. Much remains unclear. I personally wish them both luck.

Kris has Fresh Air on his album?

Yeah, I don’t think online is really a reflection of what it’s like. I know a lot of Kris fans that are older (over 40) and would buy his album when it comes out, but they wouldn’t go sign up to his web site overnight.

And yay to Kris for doing so well with that truly crappy single so far. You know what’s worse? It’s actually getting stuck in my head and I find myself singing along and smiling when I’m listening to it! Ahh! Also sad? I was one of the ones who bought Keith Urban’s Kissed a girl song and now I want to check out his album.

Small potatoes compared to Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fan numbers online.

Eh, it’s irrelavant really. Archie always seemed to have a bigger online fanbase than DC, but Cook still outsold Archie by over 400,000 albums, and has statistically sold more singles. Not trying to cause a fan war or anything, rather just clarifying that online numbers don’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

On another note, Cook’s Permanent (album version) is now at number six overall on itunes and the charity version of permanent, which was released just a few hours ago, is already in the itunes top 100.

Big week for Cook.

^^ Fresh Air is an interview show on NPR. An awesome one.

So, would this make Kris the first Idol to do a feature on Fresh Air when his album comes out? I think that would be awesome!

Yes, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m an NPR dork. lol

The funny thing is, I could totally see Adam doing it too. He might just put something out thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s experimental enough to be hipster cool!

I hope so! I was waiting and hoping for DC to get on the show…still waiting, lol.

So, would this make Kris the first Idol to do a feature on Fresh Air when his album comes out? I think that would be awesome!

YES! thank you for the heads up. I’m sprinting to the Fresh Air podcast now

I may so stupid.What’s a fresh air podcast?

Braggart! Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a jellus h8er! :furious_tb:

Aw, I can’t believe Jim is ignoring you! I’m sure he’ll recognize his mistake soon and at reply toot suite!

BTW, thanks for the head’s up on Idol in 60 Seconds. I love it! I thought it was cute that apparently Kris does too…and that he couldn’t pronounce Jim’s last name. Hee

I can’t wait for Kris and Adam’s Idolatry interviews. I bet they’ll be good!

ETA: Online fan numbers mean nada when it comes to selling records. The Idols have to appeal to people outside the Idol fandom to sell a lot of records. Some succeed with the right material and promotion, while others do not. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s time to make predictions just yet. Much remains unclear. I personally wish them both luck.

THIS!

I’m loving all this talk about people having bought the songs already so they’re numbers aren’t showing. The multiple buying stuff always creeped me out. I’m just getting around to buying stuff. Kinda glad I didn’t have the money earlier in the season so they can benefit from the chart hits, but I’ll only be buying one copy, and only the stuff I like. I just hope Anoop and Matt can crack the top 100 at some point. They both have some wonderful recordings. Allison deserves to have more up there than she does!

What is Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s official sites address, the one I see on google canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be it the address is weird ending in network.ning.com, that canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be right.

Nope, that’s the right one. Davidarchuleta.com redirects to davidarchuleta.ning.com.

I don’t think Kris has been on Fresh Air yet. The NPR lady just wrote about him. It’s hopeful speculation for the future.

KrisAllen1, Fresh Air is a radio show on NPR. If you miss it, they publish their podcasts online so you can download them for future listening. For free. Either through iTunes or their website. I regularly catch “This American Life” and “Sound Opinions” this way (also public radio shows).

Now I need to d/l Glee. Heh.

What former Idols made last year, awwww Taylor!::

http://www.myfoxyumaelcentro.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8434121&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Having worked my way through to acceptance (finally) I think Simon is being an asshat to Kris with his comments. No surprise and not cool. I’m fine with Kris’s winning, and whether he deserved it or not, dude, he did win! And it’s the first day after it. Give him some time to succeed on his own and let him have his effing moment.

Way to harsh Kris’s mellow.

Yes, it was speculation about a future appearance when he’s promoting his album.

Now I need to d/l Glee. Heh.

In HD! Free!! I can’t wait till September!

Simon will look at kris and cry one day.Kris will make the judges look like idoits for saying he has no star power.

Simon will look at kris and cry one day.Kris will make the judges look like idoits for saying he has no star power.

For Kris’s sake, I hope you’re right, but I tend to agree with the judges on this one. And as mean as VFTW is, they are pretty right on with saying he’s forgettable, IMO. I can only remember 2 of his performances really…heartless and she works hard for the money. I like Kris, he’s a nice guy, and I hope he proves me wrong, but I just have this feeling we’ll be seeing him with the rest of the former idol talent hosting shows on TVGuide network, or being like Ruben, a seat filler, But I would so like to be proven wrong. He’s a nice guy with some talent and deserves to be successful, as do the rest of the Top 13 this year
Bottom line for me is, I don’t see him as having any sort of monumental explosive success. If he can match Cook, I think that he should be thrilled. But I can’t see him being a Carrie or Kelly.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/the_awful_truth/b125281_after_idol_gokey_slams_kris_hoff.html?sid=twitterfeed_awful&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=twitterfeed&utm_campaign=twitterfeed_awful

Wow, this just proves to me why I dislike Gokey…looks like he’s learned a lot from Pastor Rolex…

I think Simon is being a jerk to Kris, too. At least give the guy a chance! It hasn’t even been 24 hours! Kris obviously has lots of fans and support and hopefully they will buy his album and make him successful. I do think it’s misleading, though, to say Kris has more fans than Adam or that he appeals to more people. If Idol only allowed one vote per phone, then such a conclusion would be more valid. But all we really know at this point is that Kris had more votes, not that he has more fans or support. Only time will tell with that.

I think being like carrie or kelly is like one in a million chance.I predict Kris will be like Archuleta famous wise.If im being hopeful then he will be Daughty.

^ I agree with that. Also, artists like Kris aren’t generally in the public spotlight, even when they have a hit song. Think Jason Mraz, John Mayer… Not exactly tabloid frequenters (except John briefly, because of the Jennifer Aniston thing).

Adam, on the other hand, strikes me as the type of person who is constantly in the spotlight (and I don’t mean that in a bad way).

Neither is necessarily a bad or good thing. Just different types of stars.

Danny Gokey says to the cameras he à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t knowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  if heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll buy Kris Allenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album! à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹

Wow, this just proves to me why I dislike Gokeyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

You left off the part where he said that Kris deserved it and he has alot of talent. He also said he’d be the first to support him.

I think he just misunderstood the question. Poor Danny is just an accident waiting to happen all the time…I think he’s a nice guy, though. He needs to just learn to smile and wave…lol.

Wow gokey….are you even putting out a album for your 40% fans.Danny should have a mute button.

Kris is low key but thats kris and i love him for it.I hate celebs that are always talked about and in the media.Its the ones that are low-key who really catch my eye.I wonder if Daughty would help kris with his record? I love Daughty and i think he’s famous but not so famous where he’s always in the media.
Kris will have that Daughty and Archuleta fame.

I think he just misunderstood the question. Poor Danny is just an accident waiting to happen all the timeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a nice guy, though. He needs to just learn to smile and waveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦lol.

Yeah, you might be right…but if it were me in his spot, I think my mind would just automatically say, yes of course, I’ll be first in line.

LOL, I do have to agree wholeheartedly that he needs to just wave. (I leave out the smiling part, cause his smile creeps me out a little) hh_ee:

I’m starting to feel bad for Danny. He said he’d support Kris and talked about how talented he is, yet he’s probably still going to get slammed for that video.

Poor guy can’t catch a break lol.

Eh, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s irrelavant really. Archie always seemed to have a bigger online fanbase than DC, but Cook still outsold Archie by over 400,000 albums

Idol pimpage. Enough said. Plus, Archuleta’s album is more prone to piracy. It’s amazing he’s sold 700K on the back of 1 hit single. Cook already has 3 hit singles (well, CBTM on HAC only). You’d think he’d sell more albums as a result.

and has statistically sold more singles.

None of Cook’s singles have outsold Crush as of yet. Cook’s singles were never that popular to begin with plain and simple. LO has more radio airplay than Crush nowadays, but Crush is still outselling LO.

On another note, Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Permanent (album version) is now at number six overall on itunes and the charity version of permanent, which was released just a few hours ago, is already in the itunes top 100. Big week for Cook.

Idol pimpage. Enough said. I find it funny that the “charity single” wasn’t put up on iTunes until this afternoon. How can money go to charity when the bulk of the purchases were already made on the album version?

Any sales of Permanent should go to charity (at least for 24 hours after the show) and that includes the album version. I’m pretty sure people bought it for that purpose and it would be wrong if iTunes or RCA took advantage of any confusion to benefit from its sale.

Plus, Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album is more prone to piracy.

Seriously, you think he’s not selling albums because of piracy? Then why doesn’t Taylor Swift have the same problem?

Seriously, you think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not selling albums because of piracy? Then why doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Taylor Swift have the same problem?

Country like Rock has an audience that tends to buy more albums. Why else do you not often see Country and Rock singles on iTunes?

What I’m saying is that Archuleta’s album is generally more pirated since he has a younger following. Obviously, he wouldn’t sell much albums right now since he has no single on the radio.

Miley has a young following, right?

Doesnt Archie have alittle too not over you? oh no its hands down or something.Either way Archuleta is pretty famous and well you cant argue that

Idol pimpage. Enough said.

If that was enough I’d like to understand why Idol pimpage did nothing for Archie.

They said the sales from the live performance would go for charity… so they’re not really deceiving anyone in case the sales of the album version won’t go there.

Based on incorrect information provided to one of our reporters, FOX16 News reported Wednesday night, an extraordinary number of votes came in from Arkansas to American Idol.

AT&T spokesman Ted Wagnon told us today, “AT&T does not divulge or confirm how many votes were cast in any state.”

We apologize for the error.

I haven’t commented on here today, and haven’t read many comments. However, I did want to point out that the quote on pg. 4 regarding votes out of Arkansas indicates the information was incorrect.

http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story/Conway-reacts-to-Kris-win/sv8BNSsGY0G8GRZWSr0fRw.cspx

Article link. The entire quote wasn’t brought over before.

Miley has a young following, right?

Did I say Archuleta was as big as Miley?

If that was enough Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d like to understand why Idol pimpage did nothing for Archie.

That’s because Idol’s primary audience is now OLD people. Why would they want to buy an album from Archuleta, an 18 year old, unless he’s doing AC kind of stuff which he isn’t?

They said the sales from the live performance would go for charityà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ so theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re not really deceiving anyone in case the sale of the album wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t go there.

I would hope they donate all proceeds from both versions of the song instead of just the “charity version”.

I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t speak for all of Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans, but I have had all of his since the preorders first became available, so the numbers that would include my purchases have long since passed.

Yup. Me too. We’re going to have to wait until their official albums come out before we can start comparing.

Idol pimpage. Enough said. Plus, Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album is more prone to piracy. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s amazing heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sold 700K on the back of 1 hit single. Cook already has 3 hit singles (well, CBTM on HAC only). Youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d sell more albums as a result.

That’s the most interesting theory I’ve seen yet . Archie & Cook are doing just fine, both of them… I like to leave it at that, it’s more peaceful .

What Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m saying is that Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album is generally more pirated since he has a younger following.

I have heard it all now…..bwahahahahahahahah!!!!!!

It’s interesting, though – one theory I saw about *Cook’s* sales was that he’d be hurt by… pirating!… because he was doing a college tour and college kids don’t buy albums.

I think there are a million reasons why/why not as far as album sales. I thought they both put out pretty solid, though not spectacular, albums. And I’m interested to see what both do on the second one.

For Kris & Adam, now we get the long wait to see what *they* come up with. Super rushed Idol-ized ok album? Something better? Who knows. There’s no way to guess but bet folks will angst all summer long… Cook & Archie fans sure did last summer!

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the most interesting theory Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve seen yet . Archie & Cook are doing just fine, both of themà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I like to leave it at that, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s more peaceful .

I’m glad you seem to think so too. Cook’s done perfectly fine with his sales. It’s just that some people LOVE to demean the success that Archuleta has achieved thus far for their own pleasure and enjoyment.

Anyway, that’s it from me tonight. Goodnight everyone!

krisallen1, I wouldn’t be surprised if Chris Daughtry and Kris work in some capacity at some point especially if they are on the same label. I think it’s the married thing that makes them more low key than some celebs because they want to protect their families from the harshness of the media. Chris has been vocal with his fanboyishness so I’m sure he’ll at least introduce Kris to his growing network of musician, producers and songwriting friends. It would be cool if their wives become friends too.

RCA should definitely give the proceeds of the studio version of Permanent to Cook’s charity. It would be unfair for David if they didn’t.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s because Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s primary audience is now OLD people. Why would they want to buy an album from Archuleta, an 18 year old, unless heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s doing AC kind of stuff which he isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t?

Funny enough AC is exactly the only place where his music is chartting. Plus, Hannah Montana and that other children shows really didn’t real help much too. Maybe the excuse is that it’s YOUNG people?
Honestly, I’m not gonna debate such thing, you obviously are gonna come with ten thousand laughable justifications.
Anyway, bringing it to the topic… it does look like Adam is more popular than Kris, but in the long term that won’t matter if Kris puts good music that people will like. AI’s popularity may influence the first week’s of sales… but that’s about it.

Funny enough AC is exactly the only place where his music is chartting.

Crush charted very well on CHR and HAC. Don’t go and act like AC is the only place where Crush charted.

Oh, I think there’s plenty of demeaning going on from both sides – that’s why I had to laugh (albeit sadly) when someone at some point today posted that they hoped that after a little while the fanwarring between Adam fans & Kris fans would stop. Noooo way. It’s a bummer, but it is how it is. Me? I’m a Cook fan, but I sup at the buffet of all good music that is Idol. I have a few Archie songs on my iPod (yes, he’s skewed younger but there are plenty of old farts like me [35]) who like some of his stuff)… and then a variety of others (Elliott, Daughtry, Cookie of course, Melinda Doolittle, Taylor, Kelly, Carrie, MJ, Brooke, etc., etc.).

It’s more fun that way . I liked Adam a little better, I like Kris too… I’m looking forward to see what they do. I can always use more good music, after all.

Piracy, eh? Hmm. Okay.

Anyways…

David’s album version of Permanent is still sitting pretty at #6 overall while the charity version has remarkably made the top 40 overall chart already.

The cheesy song from Glee is pwning all the Idols on iTunes though. Which is a tad surprising. Did the 29 million who watched Idol stay around and watch it as well?

Crush charted very well on CHR. Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t go and act like AC is the only place where Crush charted.

I think leome means that’s where it is now. I still hear Crush quite a bit on my old people station

Actually I’m more a HAC girl. CHR kinda makes my ears bleed, though admittedly sometimes I find stuff I like there.

You know what I’m looking forward to? Videos from the tour – they were a hoot last year. I didn’t get to go last year, even though I love me some David Cook, but maybe this year? It seems like fun and I like enough of them where I think I’d enjoy it. Hmm! If not, YouTube to the rescue.

For Kris fans on here, I just saw on his fansite that he’s going to be on Leno tonight!

Did the 29 million who watched Idol stay around and watch it as well?

I did — I know my mom, sister, brother, etc. stayed tuned in too.

Check this from the Gene Simmons website….he is by far the last person that should be critiquing singing ability,(Guess he doesn’t consider Freddy Mercury a rocker)
All I could think last night was how horrible his voice sounded…well that and holding down the vomit from seeing KISS’s jiggly old hairy man boobs bouncce around on stage…

Gene..
You rocked tonight on American Idol. Like always. U R a rock god!!!!!
If you cant can you hook Adam Lambert up with someone to get him started on the way to be another rock god like you.
My opinion is: Adam should of won American idol hands down. He is amazing. I have bought everything there is to buy of him on I tunes and I voted hundreds of times for him on Tuesday nights. actually sat here and voted and voted for hours for him.
Hope you actually get this and can send Adam somewhere he can start his rock n roll career .
Take care and big ass hugs to you, Jodie

Response from Gene:

Respectfully,
I don’t think Adam is a rock singer. He sounds much more convincing singing ballads, and Broadway shows. His voice doesn’t seem to have a “rock quality.” But, I’m sure he’s going to do just fine.

http://www.genesimmons.com/fanstories/index.html

I havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t commented on here today, and havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t read many comments. However, I did want to point out that the quote on pg. 4 regarding votes out of Arkansas indicates the information was incorrect.

This is the THIRD version of the story that the local Fox New Station has put out in, what, 24 hours. They are obviously doing some serious spin control here. Again, none of these corrections are coming from AT&T, they are coming from an Arkansas station with a vested interest in having their hometown boy not be perceived as somehow unfairly winning the competition. Too late, guys. They were proudly trumpeting the state vote total this morning and then it came back to bite them in the ass, so now they are backpedaling something fierce. The information being “incorrect” could mean anything, such as the vote count was actually 37.9 million or 38.1 million.

AT&T has not denied the number. By saying that AT&T does not divulge or confirm votes totals, the spokesman is merely stating the official corporate policy. I have no doubt the good ole boys in Arkansas were mighty proud of their accomplishment and were slapping themselves on the back, high fiving each other and sharing this information with each other, despite what the suits at corporate headquarters have written down in their policy manuals.

If this information was truly incorrect, grossly incorrect, there would have been an immediate denial after the story broke. There wasn’t. It’s only with the dawning realization of how this type of vote mongering is playing across the rest of the country, that the local news station is now issuing these tortured re-corrections. One state wielding 40% of the voting power is wrong, just plain wrong. It was not a fair fight and the result does not reflect the will of the majority. It reflects the will of a minority who figured out a way to corrupt the system and bring home a win for their native son. The voting system is fatally flawed and needs to be changed.

Respectfully,
I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Adam is a rock singer. He sounds much more convincing singing ballads, and Broadway shows. His voice doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem to have a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“rock quality.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  But, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to do just fine.

My sentiments exactly.

Kris is doing better on the charts this week..im surprised.NB is almost number 1.I dont think Adam got number 1 yet.No dis-respect to his fanbase.

Please, enough with the AK conspiracy theories. The fact is, if they did vote that much, there is NOTHING ILLEGAL about that. I say that as someone who voted for Adam (or tried to). No Go Phone or AT&T here. The numbers just don’t make logical sense, and I don’t believe it. If they did, it wouldn’t matter since the show encourages power voting.

As for the S7 fanwars… really? *tilts head like Allison talking to Simon*

Finally, Danny Gokey is a clueless idiot. I (privately) tried to contain my dislike for him when he robbed Allison… oops, was voted off. I’ve been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt… but every thing I see from him confirms that he’s a self-entitled douche of the highest order.

I watched Glee too. Loved it.

Finally, Danny Gokey is a clueless idiot. I (privately) tried to contain my dislike for him when he robbed Allisonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ oops, was voted off. But every think I see from him confirms that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a self-entitled douche of the highest order.

Precisely…except I didn’t really try to hide it too much :devil_tb:

Based on incorrect information provided to one of our reporters, FOX16 News reported Wednesday night, an extraordinary number of votes came in from Arkansas to American Idol.

AT&T spokesman Ted Wagnon told us today, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“AT&T does not divulge or confirm how many votes were cast in any state.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

We apologize for the error.

I havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t commented on here today, and havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t read many comments. However, I did want to point out that the quote on pg. 4 regarding votes out of Arkansas indicates the information was incorrect.

http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story/Conway-reacts-to-Kris-win/sv8BNSsGY0G8GRZWSr0fRw.cspx

Article link. The entire quote wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t brought over before.

As has been pointed out a number of times, this is what they call a non-denial denial. Until someone from AT&T, Telescope or AmIdol, says that there were not 38 million votes from Arkansas, I will continue to believe that someone who worked for AT&T in Arkansas released the number as a matter of pride and without thought. Since then they have been working to erase this info but have not explained where it came from.

It reminds me of the iTune numbers that got out and that were sounded trashed as incorrect by AmIdol PTB. Now that we have real iTunes numbers, looks like those were real.

Gene Simmons also blogged this:

Gene,
I know celebrities are like politicians. They can’t answer truthfully as the don’t want to alienate fans(voters), but I’m going to ask anyway. Adam Lambert sang with kiss. Both Adam and Chris sang with Queen. In my opinion Chris couldn’t shine Adam’s boots. He shouldn’t have even been in the top 5. If you were going to invest your own money, who’s career would you support?

Don from Chicago

Response from Gene:
Adam.

The fact is, if they did vote that much, there is NOTHING ILLEGAL about that.

No one said anything about it being illegal, just that it’s wrong. It is not the type of system that is conducive to achieving a consensus on the best talent, because it’s a system that can be manipulated by a minority.

Preciselyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦except I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really try to hide it too much :devil_tb:

Heh. I meant that I was privately wondering if maybe I had been too quick to judge him, not that I admitted that to the world. Now I’m sure I wasn’t. :devil_tb:

No one said anything about it being illegal, just that ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wrong. It is not the type of system that is conducive to achieving a consensus on the best talent, because ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a system that can be manipulated by a minority.

Fine, but there’s no proof that it’s true. Besides, it’s the system that Adam signed up for. He’s being graceful. Honestly, sour grapes are unattractive and not doing Adam any favors. And I heart Adam.

Please, enough with the AK conspiracy theories.

Just as an aside here, but Arkansas is AR, AK is Alaska. Whenever I see people discussing AK, it confuzzles me for a second, and well, I need all the unconfuzzled brain cells I can get.

And back to the show, unless AT&T makes some definitive statement either way, we’ll never know, so all anyone has is speculation. As an ardent X-Files fan of yore and having lived through the 2000 election I do understand the motto of “trust no one.” On the other hand, for everyone it is just speculation at this point. Meanwhile Kris has won by whatever means and by whatever fanbase(s). That’s not going away.

Meanwhile, whatever Gene Simmons. I hated that Adam had sing with their completely non-relevent and lame asses and I’ve heard he is a total ass IRL, so go back to your reality show and failing at life.

Just as an aside here, but Arkansas is AR, AK is Alaska. Whenever I see people discussing AK, it confuzzles me for a second, and well, I need all the unconfuzzled brain cells I can get.

I can’t believe I did that. I’m a geek, and appreciate the correction.

As has been pointed out a number of times, this is what they call a non-denial denial. Until someone from AT&T, Telescope or AmIdol, says that there were not 38 million votes from Arkansas, I will continue to believe that someone who worked for AT&T in Arkansas released the number as a matter of pride and without thought. Since then they have been working to erase this info but have not explained where it came from.

It reminds me of the iTune numbers that got out and that were sounded trashed as incorrect by AmIdol PTB. Now that we have real iTunes numbers, looks like those were real.

I don’t get this argument at all. If Kris wasn’t the more popular Idol, his songs wouldn’t be out-charting Adam’s on iTunes. He clearly has broad appeal.

And Simon is an ass for insulting the audience of the show that makes him all his millions. He needs to respect the choice of the voters, and show Kris some respect too. If Simon didn’t think he was worthy why did he pimp Kris into the Top 13 in the first place? Look out when America connects to the heartthrob contestant, and he is from the South…… :innocent1_tb:

Kris is doing better on the charts this week..im surprised.NB is almost number 1.I dont think Adam got number 1 yet.No dis-respect to his fanbase.

It’s impossible to know if Adam’s had a number one because the numbers are current. Given the fact that Mad World was number 30 back when the first leak occurred, I wouldn’t be surprised if it hit number one near the time of the performance (weeks before the leak). The bottom line is that comparing the numbers right now is meaningless, for either contestant, because so many fans bought the songs weeks and weeks ago and that doesn’t show up in the numbers.

LOL Gene! I Love KISS. But, respectfully, they are a phenomenon that have a LOT more to do with Marketing than Talent.

LOL Gene! I Love KISS. But, respectfully, they are a phenomenon that have a LOT more to do with Marketing than Talent.

Yeah, when I was in 3rd grade our teacher let us bring posters to school. All the girls put up Shawn Cassidy. All the boys put up KISS. It was like a 3rd grade culture war. Yeah, I’m old.

Still think Danny misunderstood the question. He did say after that that he would be the first to support him so if he was really saying that he didn’t know if he would buy the album, how would it make sense to then, in the next breath, say “I’ll be the first to support him.”

Danny has made many glowing remarks about Kris and especially Adam. I think he went above and beyond in giving Adam props for his character. I, personally thought his remarks about Adam seemed to be nicer than what I’ve heard from the other guys. For instance, Danny said Adam is just a great guy. I can’t find and fault in him. He also said that Adam would be happy for anybody (who won) and that Adam was just a really nice guy. I thought Adam seemed to think the comments were nice, also. Matt and Anoop simply said Adam was “sweet.”

I think Danny likes both guys. I also think Danny needs some PR help. He seems like a really emotional guy whose thoughts just randomly tumble out of his mouth. But I know, everyone seems to want to believe the worst about him.

Somewhere buried deep in this thread was a great post from Tinawina, who talked about how remaining bitter about the competition and how constantly comparing your idols’ success to another idol’s success, takes away from the enjoyment of watching these kids try to succeed in the crapshoot that is the modern music scene. I have only been really pissed twice at this cheesey show (It is a tv show, but the contestants are sometimes treated as pawns.): the day Melinda Doolittle got voted off–couldn’t watch the finale–but didn’t blame Jordin or Blake. Didn’t really like any of Jordin’s 3 hit songs, but was mightily impressed by her recent Idol appearance, may just download that song and good for her. Melinda may never be a huge star, but she is respected, made an album that she can be proud of and most importantly doesn’t have to find a job at the local Walmart. I would say both are better off for having been on this show. My second really angry moment on Idol was when Simon threw DC under the bus Final 2 last year, mostly because DC had given a lovely soul baring performance that I think had been appreciated by the live audience, Randy and Paula even though it wasn’t typical Idol bombast.
I just hated it that Simon shit on Cook’s “moment.” I guess I might still be angry if Cook had not won Idol, and have mostly lurked the internet in fascination of the post-idol fan wars which I mistakenly thought only occured in the Clay Nation. Though I don’t like the type of music Archie is making now, I think watching the David’s perform in Manila helped me let go of any residual competitiveness. I was mightily impressed by little David’s joy in performing and genuine graciousness, talent, etc.; that I’m looking forward to seeing what direction his music takes when he “grows up.” I think I can objectively say that Archie probably was fortunate not to have to carry all the added pressures of the reigning Idol, and I think many of Archie’s fans may even be able to acknowledge this now.

I am a little long winded getting to my point, but I really want to re-iterate what Tinawina said. You’ll enjoy watching your Idol’s post-show career alot more if you don’t get caught up in the fanwar bullshit. Adam and Kris are miles ahead of where they were 6 months ago, and trying to prop your Idol up by dissing the talents of the other ultimately takes away from the fun of enjoying what your guy does with his career. The reality is, he may only have minor league success or he may be “Elvis” but you can still be a fan. In my little world of over-invested fandom, I have personally stopped worrying if DC sells more records than Daughtry, if Archie has higher charting singles on CHR, etc. None of this takes away from why I follow David Cook–his talent, his ability to consistently move me with his live performances and his humanity. He would be the first to appreciate the talent and support his “competitors.”

Yeah, when I was in 3rd grade our teacher let us bring posters to school. All the girls put up Shawn Cassidy. All the boys put up KISS. It was like a 3rd grade culture war. Yeah, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m old.

Ah, we must be the same age. I loved Shawn Cassidy…doo run run run da doo run run. lol.

We still have audio cassettes of my brother in 5th grade trying to sing “Beth.”

Ah, we must be the same age. I loved Shawn Cassidyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦doo run run run da doo run run. lol.

We still have audio cassettes of my brother in 5th grade trying to sing à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Beth.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Cute! That needs to be converted. Heh.

Actually, my Mom loves to tell the story of when she used to buy me records (yes 45s) of stuff like “supercalifragulous” and I was about 4 and I heard “Seasons In the Sun” on the radio and asked her to buy it. She says I went through about 3 45s and would cry my eyes out and ask why someone would want to die. I asked her if that worried her at all, and she told me nope, she just thought I had a tender heart. LOL. So glad she didn’t see my Danny hate post earlier!

Besides, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the system that Adam signed up for. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s being graceful. Honestly, sour grapes are unattractive and not doing Adam any favors.

With all due respect, I don’t think this is a system any of the Idols did or would sign up for. I think this information pulls back the curtain and sheds new light on how perverted the voting system really is.

I’m sticking up for Adam because he can’t stick up for himself. It breaks my heart to think of how earnestly and thoughtfully he made every decision and how hard he worked to win this competition (how hard he’s worked for the past 10 years, in fact, to reach this level of talent) and none of it made a damn bit of difference in that Final. Not the song choice or the costume choice or the myriad of small decisions that he made to try to sway the voting public mattered because the good folks of Arkansas had, by the time the finals rolled around, perfected this efficient voting juggernaut that doomed his chances from the start.

No, the result won’t change for Adam, but the discussion should be ongoing because, if the 38 million vote figure is true (and like the poster upthread said, until AT&T denies it, I don’t trust the motives of the local Arkansas station that is “correcting” its story) the system is spiraling out of control. No contestant next year should have to suffer the effects of such an unfair system. The fact that “it’s always been done this way” is not really the answer. Obviously, things have gotten ridiculously out of hand.

LOL….Shawn Cassidy was MY 3rd grade poster choice too! We are not old, PJ we are “seasoned.”

They just aired a commercial for the AI Summer Tour…funny…they lead off with Adam’s picture, followed by Lil, Matt, etc…Kris’ is buried somewhere in the middle..TPTB clearly had no idea the way the vote was going to go…

LOLà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.Shawn Cassidy was MY 3rd grade poster choice too! We are not old, PJ we are à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“seasoned.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Yeah, can’t really roll my eyes toooo much at the Jonas Bros.

With all due respect, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think this is a system any of the Idols did or would sign up for. I think this information pulls back the curtain and sheds new light on how perverted the voting system really is.

Power voting happens every year. Have you not heard of the Alabama votes? Ruben, Bo, and Taylor? Seriously. I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but this happens all the time. And, I don’t see any proof of the 38 mill. Even if it’s true, like I said before, it’s not an unknown thing. Yes, they signed up to be judged by America and yes, America power votes.

Honestly, Adam Fans, it really does the boy more harm than good to go all Crazy Fanbase. Adam seems fine. Adam will BE fine. Just let it go. Kris won cause he got more votes. It’s the name of the game.

DWTS has a vote limit and most people are still pissed Shawn beat Giles. A limit is not going to make difference in a real meaningful way.

Kris is on Jay Leno and looks adorable! tender puppy :wub_tb:

she just thought I had a tender heart. LOL. So glad she didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see my Danny hate post earlier!

:lol_wp:

P.J., I was a regular member on the board back in Season 5. I remember you well. This is the first year I’ve been back.

Anyway, Season 5, during the show run, I just could not stand Ace. I mean, I didn’t post any hate messages or anything, but my sister and I would fake gag when he was on. I just thought he seemed like the most arrogant thing, ever. I hated the way he always held his eyes open so wide…I thought he was constantly thinking how pretty he was ( and he is purty).

Anyway, fast forward to the tour. I’m not a person to go up and get autographs or anything, but I loved watching the idols interact with fans from a distance. Everything I believed to be true about Ace just wasn’t. He really seemed like such a nice guy and everything that I’ve seen of him since just reinforces that fact. Now I love Ace! He’s always nice to Taylor too, so that helps.

Sometimes I just feel like we think we know these people better than we can ever possibly know them from the amount of time that we see them. As far as Danny is concerned there’s is absolutely no way he could be as bad as he’s been made out to be on the Internets. Now I say that and tomorrow he will say something indefensable, but my take on him is that he just fucks up alot…Seriously.

I loved that Leno interview! So cute. Kudos to Kris, I think he’s upping his (interviewing) skills already! Kudos to Jay, for letting the Nation get to know Kris a little more!

Lydia at 11:46, I won’t quote your whole post, but it was a very wise post. I agree about not getting involved in fanwars. You will be a lot happier.

Kris should be a spokesperson for Neutrogena. That boy is so fresh and so clean!

aww, aek, I guess I was the lone brave Ace fan, huh? Did you change your screen name?

Back then, I just liked the diversity of opinions here (even if mine wasn’t popular). I agree about Danny, but I guess that’s what I was trying to say. He left. I was trying to like him. But then there was the Sarver/Gokey vid and now this. I mean, how hard is it to say yes when someone asks you if you will buy Kris’ CD? LOL.

ETA: I’m from Bama, so my comments above are meant lovingly. State knows how to vote. Yeah!

The cheesy song from Glee is pwning all the Idols on iTunes though. Which is a tad surprising. Did the 29 million who watched Idol stay around and watch it as well?

The 29Million just watch the show cos its a reality show, then the fanbases(or entire states as in Arkansas) vote and devotedly go on tour. In the rea world, no Idol’s success is a given, it is very dependent on the material you put out.

People like Cook and Archie are doing ok, but not as good as they would if they put out some better music, so for fans in the idol bubble they’re doing ok, but are still outsold by more mainstream music. For instance, I liked Cook well enough, but would only consider buying Permanent, maybe. His album material doesnt impress me, so i wont buy…….if he puts out something decent, then maybe I would..Mainstream is like that, there’s no rabid devotion to buy any material a singer puts out simply because you avidly voted for them while the were on a tv show.

The same will apply to Kris and Adam, so by summer we’ll know how well they will be doing. Adam’s a smart guy and has got some interest from within the industry itself, and does have some uniqueness, so who knows,its a toss up, popularity on a tv show doesnt necessarily translate to record sales…

Kris Allen to me is still an average singer with no oommph factor, so I seriously doubt he’ll do that much post the idol buzz, but we’ll see. I think he has a nondescript voice,I could close my eyes, listen to him on the radio and I’d be listening to a 100,000 voices I could here in a good coffee bar across America, so we’ll see how he does in the real world of music, once all the tweens and cougars stop chasing tour buses in the summer, rabidly refreshing myspace plays, quickly buying and downloading all the nice but cheesefesty itunes songs,and all that other stuff that fandome gets up to, then we’ll gt down to business outside the bubble

Looking forward to it :mrgreen_wp:

Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ is buried somewhere in the middle

Which is where he should have placed in the competition, so he’s actually in his rightful spot

Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ is buried somewhere in the middle

Which is where he should have placed in the competition, so heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s actually in his rightful spot

Er, no, his rightful place is wherever America voted him.

Power voting happens every year. Have you not heard of the Alabama votes? Ruben, Bo, and Taylor? Seriously. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not trying to be disrespectful, but this happens all the time. And, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see any proof of the 38 mill. Even if ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s true, like I said before, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not an unknown thing

Very true, and thanks for the examples you used to further burtress my point upthread…Ruben,Bo and Taylor…..very telling

What’s wrong with 38 million votes??

Chipmuck kris will do better than ruben,taylor and bo.Its very easy to beat those people in sales/records/tickets.

As has been pointed out a number of times, this is what they call a non-denial denial. Until someone from AT&T, Telescope or AmIdol, says that there were not 38 million votes from Arkansas, I will continue to believe that someone who worked for AT&T in Arkansas released the number as a matter of pride and without thought. Since then they have been working to erase this info but have not explained where it came from.

Sorry, like I mentioned I hadn’t read many comments and also didn’t realize the initial thread mj started was still going strong. My bad.

I guess this whole thing (like anything else) can be spun by either side….I do wish whoever initially reported this would come forward.

aww, aek, I guess I was the lone brave Ace fan, huh? Did you change your screen name?

Back then, I just liked the diversity of opinions here (even if mine wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t popular). I agree about Danny, but I guess thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what I was trying to say. He left. I was trying to like him. But then there was the Sarver/Gokey vid and now this. I mean, how hard is it to say yes when someone asks you if you will buy Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ CD. LOL.

Yeah, even now, every time I see your name, I think Ace.

I think my name was “me” back then. I was/am a Taylor fan. The next season I tried to watch, but they were so cruel to Taylor, and I was pregnant with a blood pressure condition and so I hardly ever tuned in. I’m serious when I say that the Taylor treatment could have sent me into premature labor. :eek_wp:

I watched a little last year. I like Cook, but my then 8 month old daughter would only clap for David Archuleta. Seriously, I think that was the first time she ever clapped, and she would do it each time only for him. Too funny.

The Gokey/Sarvor thing. Okay, I didn’t like it either. I am totally for gay rights/gay marriage…all that. But, when I watched the video, for me, I saw Danny as being uncomfortable with each of the things that he said. He started to say “right” and then Sarvor threw in the “Godly” (shutter…I’m agnostic too), Danny repeated it, but he had this look on his face like that doesn’t sound right either.

Anyway, I don’t like it, but I understand that not everyone is at the point in their minds where homosexuality is perfectly fine. I think we will get there, but as a society, we aren’t there yet. Social change takes time. When I look at a person like Danny who is a fundamentalist Christian (again, shutter), I think it’s a good thing that he feels about Adam the way that he does. From everything I’ve read, he seems to really think he’s a great guy. If he didn’t, he could just compliment him on his talent and be done with it. Anyway, I could be wrong, but I don’t see Danny as this cold and calculating guy. I see him as more bumbling, and from his interviews (saying how afraid he was to go onstage), a bit insecure. I think he’s highly emotional and his words just kind of incoherently fall out of his mouth…yeah, he needs to work on that. :wink_wp:

Chipmuck kris will do better than ruben,taylor and bo.Its very easy to beat those people in sales/records/tickets.

Of course……. :mrgreen_wp: since you’ve said he will

I take it your a Adam fan since i smell of bitter and jealous in your post.I cant wait to see Adam’s sales.

Kris will probably do okay IF AI decides to really promote him. That is actually what happened to Taylor. Major efforts were put forth to push Chris D…not Taylor. But, of course, I will admit that Taylor’s style (although he is very talented) is kind of a throwback, and therefore was probably not going to tear up the charts.

I will say that Taylor did get a decent amount compliments on the show about his “singing” ability, even from Simon. I don’t know if Kris has gotten that too much. I think Taylor would have done even better if instruments were allowed back then.

Hey Rea! I know tensions are running here – but I really meant that I loved what you said! Just got the wrong smiley for that. Kudos for your smart joke, really I mean it!

Ok. I wasn’t upset just thought sarcasm got lost in typing which somehow always seems to happen on message boards even if you’re being obvious… (I was about to leave anyway. :lol_wp: )

Very true, and thanks for the examples you used to further burtress my point upthreadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ruben,Bo and Taylorà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..very telling

ITA.

I do wish whoever initially reported this would come forward.

Me too, but I’m not holding my breath.

aek… thanks for the discussion. YOU are awesome.

Bitter Adam fans, I suggest you check out Adam. Just sayin’.

ETA: And my examples proved my point. Idols get votes from a variety of sources. It’s fair, it’s been happening for years, and anyone who watches the show or participates knows it, including Adam.

Again, sour grapes aren’t doing him favors.

MJ, delete if you must.

Yeah, I don’t get the bitterness either. For me, I thought Adam deserved the win, but Kris got the most votes….end of story. I just don’t buy into all this “America got it wrong.” It is what it is and Kris is the winner. Everyone will have different opinions on their favorites. But evidentally Kris inspired the most votes…it’s not fun to vote for hours.

Anyway, about the bitterness. Why? AI loves Adam. They are definately going to push him. He’ll be fine.

Bitter Adam fans, I suggest you check out Adam. Just sayinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢.

ETA: And my examples proved my point. Idols get votes from a variety of sources. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fair, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been happening for years, and anyone who watches the show or participates knows it, including Adam.

Again, sour grapes arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t doing him favors.

That was my point earlier. Kris won cause he got more votes. You can speculate on the how/why’s all you want but it changes nothing. And at this point the if you think Kris/Adam’s biggest competition is with each other, you need to wake up and smell the Billboard charts. They are off Idol now. It’s the real world where they have to compete with a whole lotta people out there.

That was my point earlier. Kris won cause he got more votes. You can speculate on the how/whyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all you want but it changes nothing. And at this point the if you think Kris/Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s biggest competition is with each other, you need to wake up and smell the Billboard charts. They are off Idol now. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the real world where they have to compete with a whole lotta people out there.

Stop making sense.

pj
…was about 4 and I heard à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Seasons In the Sunà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on the radio and asked her to buy it.

Hehe! I’ve always loved that song. Terry Jacks – Gotta love my hometown boy (still lives here, in fact)! I remember that song being one of the first to really hit me emotionally & make me have to go in search of kleenex, when I was a teenager.

That was my point earlier. Kris won cause he got more votes. You can speculate on the how/whyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all you want but it changes nothing. And at this point the if you think Kris/Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s biggest competition is with each other, you need to wake up and smell the Billboard charts. They are off Idol now. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the real world where they have to compete with a whole lotta people out there.

Stop making sense.

I gotta remember this at work too. HATE meetings.

NEWS FLASH

Apparently Clay Aiken has apologized to Adam on his blog. I don’t have access to his fan club but maybe someone will bring it over. If I find it anywhere I will bring it over. And I’m glad to hear it. I was so angry at him yesterday for the things he said. I think it’s from self-loathing and bitterness, I really do. His last cds haven’t sold at all, and he wasn’t included in the finale this year or last year, and I think he’s reacting from hurt feelings (and deep-seated self-hatred), not to get too deep about it … but … I’m glad he apologized.

People like Cook and Archie are doing ok, but not as good as they would if they put out some better music, so for fans in the idol bubble theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re doing ok, but are still outsold by more mainstream music.

Cook’s cd’s been selling very well, it’s in the top 10 on itunes right now, and was in the top 40 last week before the finale. He’s sold over a million and still selling well each week. I think in terms of mainstream sales he is doing excellently. And I mean in the real world, not in any damned bubble. LOL.

NEWS FLASH

Apparently Clay Aiken has apologized to Adam on his blog. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have access to his fan club but maybe someone will bring it over. If I find it anywhere I will bring it over. And Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m glad to hear it. I was so angry at him yesterday for the things he said. I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s from self-loathing and bitterness, I really do. His last cds havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sold at all, and he wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t included in the finale this year or last year, and I think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s reacting from hurt feelings (and deep-seated self-hatred), not to get too deep about it à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ but à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m glad he apologized.

Here is a link to the apology on his blog that was cut and pasted on IDF:

http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=612382

Actually, my Mom loves to tell the story of when she used to buy me records (yes 45s) of stuff like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“supercalifragulousà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and I was about 4 and I heard à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Seasons In the Sunà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on the radio and asked her to buy it. She says I went through about 3 45s and would cry my eyes out and ask why someone would want to die. I asked her if that worried her at all, and she told me nope, she just thought I had a tender heart. LOL.

Okay, that is the cutest story. Meanwhile, when I was 7, I was begging my dad to take me to a Prince concert. Not sure what that says about my formative years LOL.

People like Cook and Archie are doing ok, but not as good as they would if they put out some better music, so for fans in the idol bubble theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re doing ok, but are still outsold by more mainstream music. For instance, I liked Cook well enough, but would only consider buying Permanent, maybe. His album material doesnt impress me, so i wont buyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.if he puts out something decent, then maybe I would..Mainstream is like that, thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no rabid devotion to buy any material a singer puts out simply because you avidly voted for them while the were on a tv show.

Actually, I think so far Cook’s album has outsold peeps like Gaga and Pink and AAR, who are pretty mainstream and have comparable time on the chart, and is still selling. His singles are charting. Maybe it’s fanwanking, but I attribute the fact that it’s the highest selling album by a debut artist for the chart year to the quality of the album, which is definitely decent and then some. I don’t know offhand where Archie ranks but I’m guessing he is still selling. Which is a longwinded way to say I think your premise is a wee bit flawed because it depends too much on your own perception of the quality of Cook and Archie’s music.

Also important to keep in mind that Sony under Barry Weiss rather than Clive is a different animal. Adam and Kris will probably have at least as much creative input as Cookie did if they want it, which I think will be important in making sure they don’t get stuck with a crappy slapdash album.