Idol Headlines for 05/17/09

Its no secret that the tweens adore kris. I went to the mall yesterday and there were four 11-13 year olds wearing Kris is my Idol t shirts. I laughed. hey, nothing wrong with that. They will make their parents buy his music and they will vote like banshees for him. I remember one night many many years ago sitting in front of my tv set and weeping because The Beatles were on Ed Sullivan and I would touch the screen on george’s face. I was 11 years old. My poor mother stood in line for that Beatles album for me. They are the future. I am the past. Life goes on.

I’m not a tween and i love Kris.Its not fair to say that only tweens love Kris.

Same with Archie last year!

Is it true that Daughtry doesn’t want Adam to win cuz itll take him out of the spotlight?hmmmmm

I dont think anyone is saying that young girls exclusively are for Kris. More to the point, young girls adore him because he IS adorable. He has the support of adults AND tweens. That cant be bad.

I heard that Daughtry likes Kris and is rooting for him.I dont think its because he thinks Adam will take him out of the spotlight.

Those southern boys gotta stick together.

Is it true that Daughtry doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want Adam to win cuz itll take him out of the spotlight?hmmmmm

I think it’s quite possible he just prefers Kris. He’s been rooting for him for weeks even before he made final 2. Daughtry has sold over 4 million CD’s here. He shouldn’t be afraid of anyone stealing his spotlight.

So, based on everything I’ve been reading from the online “news?” and blog sites as well as the comment sections it looks like the American public is falling back into the age old trap that keeps this country plodding along in middle of the road mediocrity. President Obama aside, I am becoming more and more discouraged with the “safeness” displayed by so many. It’s like I’m being inundated with stupid fast food commercials as I watch all the hype about Kris. He’s just like fast food, same old same old with a lot of empty calories that are only about temporarily filling your stomach and which does absolutely nothing to excite your palate or tempt your other senses.

Adam is like that fine restaurant that you seek out when you want to really celebrate something special in your life. The food is presented beautifully and appeals to all of your senses. The ambiance of the restaurant makes the time you spend there a lasting memory. Your menu choices are always exquisite and mouth watering, and you get choices of delicacies that you don’t often get to have a taste of. It’s exhilerating to bite into something that’s a bit OTT and to experience something unique and distinctive. It’s definitely a bigger investment to go to this great restaurant, but you save up and give up those stale candy bars in the vending machine that only give you indigestion in the long run.

Now that my dollars don’t go as far I’m driving by all those chain fast food outlets. I know what they have to offer and its usually bland and tasteless, or greasy and disgusting. I spend my dollars wisely and I go for that special treat that is a night out with wonderful friends at the Adam Lambert fine dining restaurant. Hope to see you all there….let me tell you its absolute worth it.

I highly doubt it.

eta: This is in regard to the Chris Daughtry not wanting Adam to win cause he’ll steal the spotlight.

Actually fast food makes more money and has a lot of young people going to them while “fine restaurants” are closing down.

lol

I’ll save up my money and join you at the fine dining restaurant Tess! :tongue_wink_ee:

Kris is actually a musician and very current and modern….that is the key. David Cook is doing a college tour with his guitar and band. Which I could imagine Kris doing.

“It is one of the most polar opposites finale ever”

they said that about Carrie – Bo finale and Clay and Rueben finale.

“rumors concerning Archuleta’s gender”

What the fuuuuuuuu……??

I’m far away from tweendom… much farther away than I’d like to be… and I love Kris.

ETA: I think Daughtry is doing just fine and seriously doubt he’s losing any sleep about Adam Lambert. I think he just prefers Kris’s music..

Have even Lambert fans even figured out what type of music Adam is going to do after the show?

So at that “fine restaurant” you might not know if you are getting Sushi, Mexican Fajitas or French Souffle…lol

So, based on everything Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been reading from the online à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“news?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and blog sites as well as the comment sections it looks like the American public is falling back into the age old trap that keeps this country plodding along in middle of the road mediocrity. President Obama aside, I am becoming more and more discouraged with the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“safenessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  displayed by so many

You’re not alone. Don’t get me wrong, I adore Kris and think he’s a very talented young man but he will nothing to knock the music industry and the world on it’s ear.

…and Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy …….. :neutral_wp:

Have even Lambert fans even figured out what type of music Adam is going to do after the show?

That would be rock…….

You mean the “safeness” of taking risks like Kris has on several occasions? The “safeness” of playing piano, electronic keyboards, electric guitar and acoustic guitar. You mean the “safeness” of taking an old Disco song like She Works Hard for the Money and completely changing it around. You mean like singing a hip-hop rap song like Heartless….you mean that “Safeness”? You mean like doing a song that many people do not know when Kris sang Falling Slowly…that “safeness”?

That so-called “safeness” is how Kris Allen beat out some of the other contestants to get where he is now.

Some people most have been watching a different show.

lol

Really Adam said he was going to do POP- rock. There are different types of Rock like there are different types of “fine restaurants”.

edit: AND you need to read my guidelines before you post here. NO finger-wagging. NO lecturing. EVERYBODY is entitled to an opinion here.

I was watching LKL and hearing the former contestants Justin, Kimberly and Elliott think Adam deserves to win. Melinda Doolittle and Diana say that too. Ryan says he may be the best constant to ever come on the show, but acknowledges he might not win because of the type of safe, white bread Idol audience.

Adam will lose, but he’s got the respect of so many people who actually will buy albums in 6 months, and go see his sold out concerts. People from bands like Green Day, Savage Garden to Dane Cook, Christina Applegate, Katy Perry, Robbie Williams and so on.

It’s a tragedy that given what Adam has done the whole season that he won’t win. There’s never been a more deserving contestant. And it’s so hard to stomach the reasons why Kris will win – not that Kris has fans that genuinely prefer him, but that half of his votes will be for despicable reasons. Once again, in Adam’s life, discrimination and hate will hurt him.

Actually most of Middle America “White Bread” listens to Rock music. Adam has been winning Red States on Dial Idols geopredictions samplings of winner and loser states.

If you ask many “white bread” and rednecks they actually like their Country music AND Rock.

Kris actually beat Adam in California on geopredications, which is a blue state.

I am new here and enjoy reading your comments very much. I found this video on YouTube this morning and thought it fit one of the headlined story’s about the young girls liking Kris better than Adam. It’s really cute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHgpcwtEdic

Also, I think Adam should sing something newer this week of the competition. Many young people I spoke to were disappointed in his choice of “Crying” and want to see him more current or even his spin on an older song. We already have a Steven Tyler. Let’s see more of Adam Lambert.

Nothing against Kris, and I think fan wars are kind of silly. But, I do hope that Adam comes out on Tuesday and blows everyone’s socks off!

You mean the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“safenessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  of taking risks like Kris has on several occasions? The à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“safenessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  of playing piano, electronic keyboards, electric guitar and acoustic guitar. You mean the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“safenessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  of taking an old Disco song like She Works Hard for the Money and completely changing it around. You mean like singing a hip-hop rap song like Heartlessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.you mean that à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Safenessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ? You mean like doing a song that many people do not know when Kris sang Falling Slowlyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦that à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“safenessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ?

Ya, well, he still managed to sound ho-hum to me!!!!! Oh well.

I see what you’re saying, Tess. For me, I agree. But for others, and I mean a lot of others, I think “keep it cheap and simple” is the name of their game. That’s ok too, and I can go for that many occasions too, it’s just not my present game.

I, for one, am really happy with the final 2, though I’d have been thrilled with Adam/Allison. Adam/Kris is better than a lot of scenarios I can imagine, so I’m good. But the chasm between Adam and Kris for me is extremely wide. For me, Kris is severely disadvantaged by my appreciation for David Cook. While talented and a pleasant performer, Kris is David Cook lite to me, so I’m not appreciating what he’s bringing quite as much as those who adore him. It would be good if I could avoid the comparison, but I can’t. So, there ya have it.

Youthful Simon Cowell in costume as blue disco dancing hound Superdog

What’s even sadder than that is that I can actually remember it.
Wonder if Ryan’s seen that LOL

Nothing against Kris, and I think fan wars are kind of silly.

You should direct that to the “finer diners”…lol

Because Adam and Kris are actually great friends. Just like Cook and Archie. I saw the same thing last year. They sing different genres of music. So the “finer diners” should understand that not everyone is hard rocker.

Kris’s music, WHICH HE WROTE on youtube, shows that he is also a song writer and his music is not “fast food”, but very current.

I’m going to the fine restaurant with Tess. Adam can still win this!!
Kris is like the food you have to eat after surgery,
very bland and diluted.

Adam is like that fine restaurant that you seek out when you want to really celebrate something special in your life.

Hey, this total deja vu. I seem to recall reading this EXACT same analogy last season. LOL.

I’m not sure about the other guy always being junk food and my guy always being gourmet food. I think the other guy can be allowed to be quality food, just food not to my taste. The other guy doesn’t need clog my arteries and give me indigestion. I don’t think Obama has to weep because people don’t share my taste.

Personally, if I’m thinking food, I’m thinking Adam’s singing reminds me of Thai food. Delicious, but sometimes a bit too spicy for me. Maybe a bit less spice would have made me love the dish more.

Meanwhile, Kris makes me think of nouvelle cuisine. The movement to reject complicated cooking, heavy sauces and large menus. Instead, the focus is on regional and lighter fair. Sometimes, other people gripe that there isn’t enough there and they have to order seconds.

I like both, but sometimes I’m in the mood for one or the other. Where I live, you can get gourmet versions of both so I can spend a fortune on either.

Ya, well, he still managed to sound ho-hum to me!!!!! Oh well.

Yeah to you, but not to millions who voted him through to the next round…I guess you must have been watching a different show…lol

..and not to the music critics, who actually count more than anonymous posters….lol

The Kris version of Heartless was not an original. But, still I will vote for Kris. I don’t know where he will fit and needs to win more than Adam.

I’m sorry, since when did Kris Allen win American Idol? “Adam won’t win”? It’s an even playing field right now. NOBODY has won yet.

LOL Kirsten, well said. Fleshed it out nicely.

ETA:

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know where he will fit and needs to win more than Adam.

People keep saying this, so I’ll chime in and disagree finally. I don’t believe we can say that either needs it more or less than the other. We only know they both want it, and they’ve both worked extremely hard to attain it. So, I favor voting for who you like best, who performs best, etc. Guessing who “needs” it seems to me a bit absurd under the circumstances.

I love that video of little girls dancing to Adam’s music.Its a dance class.Kids have to dance to whatever the music is.I did find it adorable though.Kris and Adam both have fans differant ages

I dont think Kris’s music is dull.Its everything but dull.He’s proven that he can be in the music industry.I think everyone who thinks he cant make it after Idol should listen to his post-album.

My faovirte Kris song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foMq1Iet_AY

So what type of music is Adam going to sing AFTER the show?

You mean like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoKm9nvP-D0&feature=related

That doesn’t sound like ROCK to me…It sounds like Dance-Disco.

Hmmm sound very BUBBLE GUM and Processed like…yes, “fast food”.

I’m a classic lurker. But I have to come out to say “I love you” to Kirsten for words of wisdom!

Hope to see you all thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.let me tell you its absolute worth it.

You’ll see me there because I have tried it and the flavors, ambiance, and overall quality are fabulous!

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a tragedy that given what Adam has done the whole season that he wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win.

I’d be willing to bet that neither of these guys would deem a second-place finish as a “tragedy”. I have a feeling they both feel pretty lucky right now.

And I am a Kris fan and I don’t see how in the world that makes me simple or safe. Just because something is fancy doesn’t mean it’s better. These two guys are so diverse musically, of course they will appeal to people with different musical preferences. It’s not a reflection of who we are as people. It’s a reflection of what sounds better to our ears.

ETA: Kirsten just said it a thousand times better than I did.

Kris is sweet and cute and seems to really like Adam, which makes him aces in my book. Kris’sound is current and I like him. Not the strongest voice and quite honestly many of the kids I teach ( it’s an international school with lots of musicians and singers children) are just as talented as Kris.

But we have no one as amazng as Adam. Lets get real people…there will be people who vote for Kris as a vote against Adam and his lifestyle choices. Whitebread America really does not care for performers as charasmatic as Adam…I truly think it frightens them. Kris is just bland enough to please them and their dubious musical tastes.

Tweens vote like mad for DA last year and he fuckin lost. Let ¨’s hope that America has the good sense to vote for who they truly like- not vote against a contestant out of homophobia and the need to feel they can sleep safe in their beds if Kris wins.

It sounds very PROCESSED to me like “fast food”…a little Brittney, Lady GaGa-ish…you mean like that “Fine dining”?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoKm9nvP-D0&feature=related

this is his own song that he created…hey but it sounds like Brittney, Lady GaGa and they are very popular…like MacDonalds.

It doesn’t sound very “Rock” to me.

I think Kris derserves to win just as Adam does.I will feel bad if Kris wins.Simon will go on in a passage about how Adam should of won and Adam fans will hate Kris just for beating Adam.Nobody will ever say that Kris derserved to win.Honestly there both good singers who derserve to make it so far after Idol.
I will buy both of there albums.

Kris isnt safe and neither is adam.

The behavior of a select group of Adam fans is some of the worst I have ever seen from American Idol fans.

This is all in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I think it goes both ways. I have also seen many Kris fans bash Adam’s wail, sexuality, theatrics, etc. in the worst of ways.

I have never been this invested in this show; all these fan wars are new to me and seem over the top. I am an Adam fan, but I can still appreciate Kris’s talent and personality. Kris even sings my type of music (Brooke White was my favorite last season, to give you an idea), and I may even buy his CD when it comes out.

That being said, I do believe Adam deserves to win this. IMHO America is suffering from a recency effect, where the things that are most recent are most salient in your mind. Kris had a very good, surprising performance at the right time (Heartless), in a night when Adam was a little off (maybe partly because his first choice, Come Home by One Republic was made impossible by the judges’ choice for Kris?).

True, Kris has had other good performances throughout the show, but have we forgotten how shocking Tracks of My Tears was, when the rocker stripped things down and came out acoustic? Just one example out of the many amazing Adam performances (in my opinion). He has been the front runner FOR A REASON, not just because people have randomly picked a person. All the Adam backlash makes it sound as if his frontrunner status was unwarranted. It was well deserved.

Let me make it clear: I understand some liked Kris from the beginning, and the following is not about you. But I would like to comment here about those who have taken a liking to Kris mainly due to his “underdog” status. For me, the right definition of “underdog” is somebody who flies under the radar and then becomes *better* than the initial favorite.

Sometimes I feel like America takes this fascination for underdogs to the extreme, to the point where it does not matter anymore if that person is better than the other or not – in other words, “I will root for the underdog just because they are not the frontrunner.” Why do people do it? Because it’s fun, it’s unexpected, it fits a mentality of caring for the lesser person, it fits a “David v. Goliath” framework, etc. However, the way I see it, it can really hurt true talent, whose only fault is being consistently good.

Anyways, rant over. I really do not want to make a point against a contestant, I am just trying to offer some philosophical musings about the current situation.

Cakenbake, if I’m reading you correctly here, you’re holding yourself out as the resident expert on “Fast food” and “McDonald’s”? :laugh_tb:

Really Adam said he was going to do POP- rock. There are different types of Rock like there are different types of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“fine restaurantsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

I agree .. why does Adam need to be tied down or pigeoholed into one specific genre? … I enjoy his voice, whether he’s belting out a rock song or singing a stripped down ballad .. why should it be that he can’t incorporate both into his music … no everyone is narrow minded as to what type of music they like … a lot of people have wide musical tastes and like to here a bit of everything. I know that Queen and Freddie Mercury are overused when talking about Adam … but you can’t get two more different genres than “Seven Seas of Rhye” and “Love of My Life” … same singer, same band but two entirely different type of song … who’s to say that Adam can’t to both? … I’d certainly buy it and would be thoroughly entertained.

It’s interesting that Kris news is becoming as popular as Adam news. I do feel though that a lot of people are being too harsh on Kris in saying that only tweens and teens vote for Kris.

Kris is a southener after all. And we all know it’s that big southern demographic that does a lot of voting. Take a look at past idols and see that most of them are from the south.

It’s just a bit close-minded for people to just listen to Simon say “Adam will win” and etc. People need to realize that Kris didn’t make it on good looks alone but a talent so understated that he’s being bashed because it’s not that seen. It’s that Kris is the most current and most artistic idol this season. It’s his special musicality that actually sets him apart from the rest. It’s just understated because it’s a singing contest where people focus too much on the singing part that they don’t focus on artistry.

I hate sounding like Kara but it’s true. Kris’s number one asset is his artistry combined with his skill to play both the guitar and the piano while singing. It’s actually harder to do that than just focus on singing, but he’s done it back to back on top 3 week.

Sorry, just releasing my frustration on why people don’t see why Kris is deserving of the title.

Yeah to you, but not to millions who voted him through to the next roundà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I guess you must have been watching a different showà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦lol

..and not to the music critics, who actually count more than anonymous postersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.lol

Hey, I get it! You’re a Kris fan!

Jimmy Kimmel is sooooo right. The cutest boy always wins. Remember last year’s finale between Michael Johns and Luke Menard? Hey, wait a minute….

I don’t take the Kimmel vid as an endorsement (and hardly an “attack ad”) for Kris or against Adam.
I take it for what it is: a comedic bit. Funny? Yes. Persuasive? No. Vicious attack ad? C’mon.

Kris & Adam are both getting tween votes. Just like they are both getting young adult, adult, and senior votes. These two are the perfect top two, just like last year. Both are extremely talented polar opposites. The public, myself included, loves them both for different reasons. My music collection includes both Queen and James Taylor, and now, it also includes both Adam and Kris.

Last year I was completely confident Cook would win. This year, I am just as confident that Adam will. Does that mean I don’t love Kris just as much as Adam or that I think Adam is more talented? No. It just means that Adam projects an “idol” image and Kris projects a quietly confident musician ready to take his place on the path to a great musical career.

Tween girls were supposedly the driving force behind Archuleta–look how that turned out.

Fine dining… whaaat? I’m so confused with these weird analogies.

Actually, Kris says he prefers fine dining to fast food! (I think Adam said the same, but I can’t remember..)

I hope that no matter who wins, people will accept the fact that that guy won based on his own talent and great performances, and won’t go looking for excuses.

I love Kris, and I want him to win, but if he does I’m afraid I’ll be hearing a ton of “America isn’t ready for a gay Jewish winner” or whatever.

actually it is your “fine diner” friends who did that.

Hmmm I think I will take the Beautiful love song over POP, POP goes the camera.

I’m not a fan of Brittany spears,Ladt Gaga,Katy Perry or that kind of music.It may be just me.I’m sick of that kind of music.Its been over-played.I feel like its always the same with dance music.

Artist like John Mayer,augusta,fray,Mat Kearney,kelly clarkson,Chris Daughty,Kate voegele always catch my attention.I’m sure America competely disagrees with me.

I think that part of the problem with Kris is that he lacks charisma- yeps he does. He ¨’s had two really good performances and the rest have been meh. I like him and I hope he BRINGS it next week so as to provide Adam with real competition.

And unfortunately for Kris if he does win the news will be all about how Adam should have won. When it comes down to it Kris needs to win for a future in music- Adam does not.

The Newsweek “Round Table” is a very fun read, and very revealing. You really get a sense from these guys (Taylor, Jordin, Ruben, Kelley, Archuleta) what it’s like dealing with the whole Idol merry-go-round. They also sound like good people, and they all are very honest about dealing with some of the nonsense and weirdness of the show….

I don’t see much point in debating who’s the better singer/musician because there are so many different ways to be “better” and at least part of it is a matter of taste. I’ve been thinking about the different reasons people vote. This is what I’ve come up with:

voters for Adam are those who-
1. – think he’s the bigger talent
2. – like his musical style best
3. – feel a geographic affinity to him
4. – know him personally
5. – are favorably influenced by the fact that the judges/show have pushed for him
6. – are favorably influenced by the fact that he’s had lots of media attention
7. – like who he is as a person
8. – disaprove of his perceived lifestyle
9. – think he is physically attractive

voters for Kris are those who-
1. – think he’s the bigger talent
2. – like his musical style best
3. – feel a geographic affinity to him
4. – know him personally
5. – are put-off by the fact that the judges/show has pushed for Adam
6. – are favorably influenced by the fact that he’s flown under the radar
7. – like who he is as a person
8. – disappove of Adam’s perceived lifestyle
9. – think he is physically attractive

For most of these, I have no gut feeling who has the advantage. Judging by what’s on the radio now, I’d guess that Kris has the advantage on (2).

And based on what I’ve seen around, I’d guess he has the advantage on (7) and (8) – while I have no complaints on either of those points regarding Adam, I’ve seen some personal criticism of him and his “lifestyle” and none of Kris.

I’d guess that Kris has the advantage of geography based voting. San Diego is more populous, but it’s hard to imagine them doing a major get-out-the-vote effort. But I’m not good at assessing that impulse since I don’t have it at all.

And I’d guess that Adam has the advantage on (5). Casual voters would, I think, be more likely to either be neutral to the judges comments or be, perhaps slightly, persuaded to agree. I think hearing the praise and going from neutral to against is probably less common among casual voters. But I’m guessing.

What does this mean for outcome? No clue. I think most everything up there can be changed based on Tuesday’s performances.

What I’m most interested in seeing, aside from the performances themselves, is who the judges promote. They had a vested interest in promoting Adam up to now because he made the TV show better. Now that they’ve for sure got him on the show to the end, they no longer have that motivation. If they switch to Kris, will it be because:
- he’s actually better, and they’re just being honest
- they want to get on a perceived bandwagon?
- they see him as being a better/easier “Idol”?

I’m hoping they both do well, that they get substantive comments rather than rankings. Or that, if they do get rankings, it matches what the performances were like. While it makes sense for voters to take genre into account if they want, the judges, IMO, should just evaluate performance quality.

Hey we need more “Pop Goes the Camera”s and “Kiss and Tell”s. We need more Lady GaGas and Brittney Spears and Madonnas type songs in the world.

I wonder if David Cook would sing any of those songs?

Of course young girls will like kris, he is good looking….he can’t change that about himself. i recall people saying the same about carrie…oh, people only like her bc she looks like a barbie, etc. But kris is in the finale not based soley on those tween votes, he has been able to put in great performances throughout the competition despite the judges never giving him any ounce of proper credit. Thus the viewing public saw something in him that they liked (and that leaked iTunes sales story proves it). Im not a teen, god knows my mom and dad arent either, and along w. my sister, we all adore kris. ive heard guys around my office claiming that he is “cool” and they dig his style/music. Its very easy for those who dont like kris to jump on this bandwagon that the media is creating. ANd the media needs to create a story because thats what they do….stir up the pot and wait to cash in.

To each his own….and please no more food talk, im getting hungry!!

I wonder if David Cook would sing any of those songs?

Why would it matter?

We get it, you’re a Kris fan…..but be careful, you seem to know an awful lot about Adam and his music!

My guess is the judges will put down Kris and praise Adam like its been all season.If Kris wins Simon wont want to look like jackass and tell Kris he been great all season-like last year with Cookie.Adam is to predictable for a winner.
Eveeryone expects him to win and that can be annoying.

Well, umm, we’re not eating them, we’re listening to them. xD

Hey, I like Adam. I like everything about Adam, except his singing. In fact I even like his singing some, especially in the beginning of the competition, but he hasn’t actually impressed me lately… (My favorite Adam performances have been Satisfaction, Black or White, Tracks of My Tears, Ring Of Fire.. but for some reason it goes downhill from there. Just my opinion though)

I don’t find Kris boring. What I love about Kris is that I can listen to him over and over and over. With Adam, I like his performances the first time, but I just can’t listen to them again. I get bored or something. I know a bunch of you will disagree.

The tween vote argument is not a good one IMO if you are considering Kris vs Adam, I think both have their fair share just like Archie and Cook did last year.
It’s not a surprise when for two years running the two contestants who get the most screaming from the tweens in the mosh pit get to the finale.

As for the Cook/Kris debate, I can see some similarities, but Cook’s voice is simply much stronger and appealing to me. IMO Apologize was Kris attempt to sing a song straight like Cook did last year with Music of the Night, he simply came short of the mark.

Layla-Kris had two good performances? I’m wondering what ones your thinking of. Falling Slowly?Heartless? She Works Hard For The Money? Come Together? Man In The Mirror?

Whitebread America really does not care for performers as charasmatic as Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I truly think it frightens them.

This is an incredible generalization, and quite condescending at that. I could be classified as “whitebread America”, and I happily manage to love “Lambert-like” entertainers without being frightened by them. I also love “Kris-like” musicians – with quiet, heartfelt singing. It’s not an either/or. My fav last year was Cook, my 2nd and 3rd favs were Jason and Brooke. Totally different, but loved them all.

Adam is entertaining, but I couldn’t handle much of that if it wasn’t in a Broadway show context. Kris I could listen to in a concert setting. I won’t be voting for Kris because I hate Adam, or can’t handle “who he is”. Don’t care one bit about any of that. I just like Kris better.

I personally think that both Adam and Kris have only had 1 or 2 bad performances each.

not vote against a contestant out of homophobia and the need to feel they can sleep safe in their beds if Kris wins.

I “thought” Danny owned the homophobia vote? Obviously, it’s not a strong voting block because, you see, Danny is not in the competition anymore. The raving homophobic voters are the equivalent of VFTW. Much feared, but in the end, overwhelmed by the vast bulk of voters who just vote for who they like.

I think people can like Kris because they like his style. He got this far without the homophobia vote. The one week we know about the relative placing, he even managed to beat Adam without the rabid homophobes (they were busy, apparently, voting for Danny). So, it’s possible, just maybe, that open-minded, fair-minded, reasonable people could simply like different styles of music. That many of those people would still like Kris even if he was rumoured to be the gay one while Adam had a cute-as-a-button wife in the audience. If Kris was the one that wore nail polish…er…wait.

Why do we have to shut Adam into one genre of music? He can’t have a multi-genre album?

I think the fact that he can sing pop to dance to rock to standards is appealing; he can adapt to the music industry (like Madonna) if it changes.

So why can’t Adam have an album that has a bit of everything. It’s like a smorgasbord (to continue the restuarant analogy!) :thumbup_tb:

I like Kris and all, I just can’t see myself buying his music post-Idol.

Kris is cute, adorable, puppy like quality, ivory soap clean, squees all around for him.

Adam is gorgeous, hot, sexy, combustible, a little “dirty”, hot flashes all around for him.

OK, Im a little biased but, I would buy a CD from Kris in spite of my old age heavy crush on Adam who always makes me feel a little naughty.

Im hoping that those tweens that are crusing on Adam arent seeing what Im seeing. Oh dear. Im thinking thats exactly what they’re seeing, they just dont know what it is yet. They will.

Actually I like Adam too, just reminding some of your fellow “Glamberts” who try to say the Kris’s music is like dining on “fast food” but pre-idol music tells a different story.

I just asked “so what type of music is Adam going to do AFTER Idol”?

Adam has said he is going to do POP- rock…so hmmm what is that?

I don’t have a problem with either guy winning, but I do think that Adam is the more “special” of the two. Kris is good and original within the context of AI, but there are so many guys out there who can do what he does and do it better, I just can’t get excited about him. IMO, the winner should have either an exceptional voice (like Kelly, Jordin, or Carrie) or a distinctive voice (Taylor and Cook). Kris has neither, imo, but I can see how he might have broader appeal among certain segments of Idol viewers.

Adam is definitely a different kind of animal. I think he could be huge star or a huge bust after the show, depending on which direction he takes. I look forward to seeing what he does whether he comes in #1 or #2.

I hope Adam will do an emotional song in the finals….something that will move people. It’s really unfair to see some articles coming out lately putting him down after giving the American public a fantastic show week after week. I’d like to see him singing that will show that he also gets hurt and feels the pain. I watched his you tube video – I can’t make you love me – and he really felt the song with him wiping his tear at the end of the song. I hurt when he’s hurting

Why do we have to shut Adam into one genre of music? He canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have a multi-genre album?

I always said the same about Matt Giraud…

And unfortunately for Kris if he does win the news will be all about how Adam should have won. When it comes down to it Kris needs to win for a future in music- Adam does not.

I think Kris is pretty much screwed regardless of what happens and this is why I didn’t even vote and didn’t want him in the final 2. If he loses,well he loses and it’s never great to lose. But if he manages to pull out a win? Forget it. I can’t even imagine how he’ll be crucified for stealing the title from the greatest contestant who has ever stepped foot on the Idol stage.

but be careful, you seem to know an awful lot about Adam and his music!

uh, be careful…why? Oh, are you implying because he is GAY? Well…lol. Well too late. I already am.

Daughtry has one of the biggest egoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve ever seen so who knows. I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t stand him just because of it.

This is so true. I remember when he was voted off, he was in an interview and the interviewer asked him to say something positive about the remaining three contestants, and he said something to the effect of not wanting to talk about that right now. I mean, who does that? Nobody does that. So it is possible that he feels like Adam could over shadow him.

That aside, I really believe that some people do prefer Kris’s style over Adam’s. That is going to happen regardless, but especially if one person is really pushing the envelope, so to speak.

I think Adam should win. I think he has a better voice than Kris (I think Danny and Allison do to), and he also really commands the stage.

That being said, I think that I might actually personally like Kris’s style over Adam’s in the sense that I’d be more likely to buy and album like that and listen to it. I think it’s very insulting to Kris and his fans to think that it’s impossible for anyone with taste to vote for him over Adam or to feel like anyone who thinks he should win over Adam had some ulterior motive, such as being homophobic or in Chris’s case having a big ego.

Adam is like a class act for me.Its like watching someone from the the rocky horror picture show singing.Its never a sweet or geninue performance.Although Tracks Of My Years and If I cant have You both had me crying.

I think Kris is more radio friendly.He has the type of music that you can relax too.He’s more current.

Dang the fan war crapola is getting old fast.

The boys are friends, their families seem to have much love for each other too. Really guys, what’s the point?

If I wasn’t desperate for spoilers I’d just avoid the boards.

…as for that “White Bread” people would not buy Adam’s music.

You do realize that Adam won mainly RED states on Dial Idol. Many people in the south like Country AND Rock.

Rednecks like their Country AND Rock music.

I guess I’m really not getting the polarizing effect between Kris and Adam. I thought most fans of one liked or at least appreciated the talent of the other. At least that’s how it read to me in recent weeks when a lot of fans worked together to get them both to the finale. So, what gives?

I’m staying out of the fray because I don’t care who wins, but I gotta give props to Kirsten. I am an avid watcher but 90 percent of my music listening is from indie artists. These two will be put through the corporate branding machine and will create musical twinkies anyway so I’m kind of lost with the references to fine dining.

Thanks for the links above to Adam’s and Kris’ original music. Adam’s music sounds like Eurotrash dance music- a lot of computer gizmo mumbo-jumbo. Kris’ song has some potential, but the bridge needs ramping up with more instrumentation.

I guess Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m really not getting the polarizing effect between Kris and Adam. I thought most fans of one liked or at least appreciated the talent of the other. At least thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how it read to me in recent weeks when a lot of fans worked together to get them both to the finale. So, what gives?

Well, people need to debate over something. I’m sure the majority of Kris and Adam fans are very happy with this Top 2.

Hey I listened to that original song of Kris’ that was posted – it’s great! Reminds me of Paolo Nutini. Along with John Mayer, James Morrison, etc, this genre of folkie rock is very popular. My fear of the 19 machine if they sign Kris is that they will take the easy way out and make him pop-country (a male Taylor Swift), which would be an easier, surer way to massive sales, but would sacrifice some of his artistic identity. I hope he is able to maintain his current sound – I would definitely buy his album. I have to admit, I also love Adam’s GaGa-esque dance pop singles. I think this is what annoyed me about him on the show – he watered down his identity to appeal to the masses, singing “safe” rock songs like Aerosmith. I would have liked to see him do a Gaga or Britney cover, for example. I think after the show he will have a major image shift in a more glam, over-the-top direction. I will probably like him more then.

I don’t think the Adam fans have anything to worry about though. The show will see to it that he wins. My guess is they will make them perform the same coronation song – no rearrangements allowed – and it will be glaringly obvious who should win based on vocal power. I just hope they aren’t nasty about it. Simon can get so mean and Kris is a good guy who doesn’t deserve to be cut down in front of 30 million people.

The one week we know about the relative placing, he even managed to beat Adam without the rabid homophobes (they were busy, apparently, voting for Danny).

The homophobes were actually dividing their votes amongst all of the others depending on who appealed to them the most. The homophobes would just not give Adam a chance, but I don’t think that your casual veiwing homophobe was voting for any one contestant in particular.

So it is possible that he feels like Adam could over shadow him.

(re: Daughtrey)

I don’t even like Daughtry, but I seriously doubt he is quaking in his boots over Adam Lambert. They’re not even close in style/genre. Cook is much closer style-wise to Daughtry, and I doubt there was much quaking going on when Cook won. I have a feeling that the only time Daughtry (or Cook for that matter) even think about AI is when they’re asked specifically about it and have to come up with a somewhat diplomatic answer.

and oddly, if i were to vote based on their lifestyle/personal stories, i would vote for adam instead of kris! i relate more to adam, than church going/worship leader/humble kris. thus my vote is based on talent, not “comfort” or wanting to play it “safe”…..we all have various reason why we support one artist over the other, but at the end of the day, i do believe that the way they perform on tuesday will be the deciding factor . they better both bring it!!

An article in this weeks TV Guide:

and oddly, if i were to vote based on their lifestyle/personal stories, i would vote for adam instead of kris!

Me too.

Let me try the link again.

http://img29.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kradam034.jpg

TV Guide Article

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think the Adam fans have anything to worry about though. The show will see to it that he wins. My guess is they will make them perform the same coronation song – no rearrangements allowed – and it will be glaringly obvious who should win based on vocal power. I just hope they arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t nasty about it. Simon can get so mean and Kris is a good guy who doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t deserve to be cut down in front of 30 million people.

Thanks for saying this, I totally agree.

I don’t even know which topic is being discussed here…

Anyway, I think I am in the minority here. I love both Adam and Kris. I think they both have an equal chance of winning; they are yet to perform and until then, who will most assuredly win is not a forgone conclusion. I am quite satisfied that Adam and Kris both made it to the finale, and I’d be cheering for them to deliver one hell of a show/competition come Tuesday night (Wednesday morning here). Can’t I just have the best of both worlds?

I said at top 7 the only way adam or danny win,is if its the finale.They had the 2 strongest fan bases but the 2 that wouldnt grow much.I could never see anoop lil and matts vote going that way.Adam and kris were both liked by allison’s fans.Alot of fans were just not getting danny and most of his fans bashed everyone.Its funny 1 million votes IN power voting thats not many people.1000 go phones with 1000 votes(3000 from what i hear)but we will say 1000=1million.So it comes down to a tie.Danny fans hated adam more then kris some for the wrong reason.

Next year when you have a favorite remember in the end every vote counts.Dont bash other fans just because they dont get your love for your guy/girl.You may need the vote.

PS-JIMMY KIMMEL WAS MAKING FUN OF THE FANS NOT THE SINGERS.

Who’s to say the coronation song wont fit Adam and Kris nails it? I think we should all wait until we see the song and how they see it.

I think the fan war in this finale is one of the weakest ever. Sure there are some bad apples in each camp, but it’s nothing like previous seasons. There have been some homophobic kris fans entering Adam’s chatrooms, and I am sure some rude Adam fans attacking Kris. But on the whole, I think the fanbases get along. Many Adam fans like Kris and vice versa, so let’s not imagine a terrible fan war where one doesn’t exist.

I’m really happy with this final 2 and both are deserving.

Is it true that Daughtry doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want Adam to win cuz itll take him out of the spotlight?hmmmmm

Daughtry is, of course, entitled to his opinion, but I have to admit this is exactly what went through my mind when I heard that quote from him. Then again, Daughtry’s never done a thing for me so I’ve never gotten what was so “OMG!!!1!!” about him anyway. His ego’s always been much bigger than his talent IMO.

As much as I like Kris and was hoping for a Kris/Adam finale, Adam better win this. Sure Kris is cute and will appeal to the teens, tweens and some adults. He has a pleasant voice and a nice demeanor, but I don’t see how anyone can look at the two of them and conclude that Kris has earned and deserves the title over Adam. Adam has made every performance his own – from the arrangements to the dress style to the stage setting to his actual performance. He’s thought over every detail meticulously and he’s come out every time and blown people away. There is no way I’d be comfortable seeing Adam come out ahead of Kris at tour time. It would be like Elvis opening for Ricky Nelson!

>>I know many scoffed at my Taylor Hicks comparison but I see great similarities in Adam and Taylorà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s runs on idol. Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re both different and had people talking and waiting to see what they would do next. The biggest difference is that Simon loves Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Taylor? not so much.>>

I didnt scoff Lu and all of your points were right on but for me the biggest difference is the talent. Adam is so talented I run out of adjectives to describe him but both had the ability to move me. People tuned in to see what that gray haired guy was gonna do that week. I also think that this season and the previous one the idols had a lot more leeway in what they could do on stage so Taylor was very restrained as they all were. I love my boy Taylor, always will for reasons I have mentioned dozens of times in here but he cant hold a candle (not even an unlit one) to Adam. IMO.

I am so thankful that we only have 2-1/2 more days of idiotic press coverage of this Idol final. And the AI machine’s constant, transparent manipulation of fans.

The fans created the Kradam final. And the fans will pick the winner. The press, AI machine and every overly passionate fans will not influence anyone.

People who like Adam will not be shocked that he wears guyliner, or might be “oh my God I’m shocked” gay. He’s really not the most frightening music act on TV, he’s not even given the most daring performance on this season’s American Idol; I’d give that to Lady Gaga doing her #1 hit song (12 weeks on the chart and counting, so much for conservative America.) But he is talented, has great stage presense, and has given us a spectular range of music.

And, what’s wrong if Kris is nice, and has a cute smile? He has also done some great performances, too. And he may be the least contraversial Finalist ever. I mean he married his High School sweetheart who was the College homecoming queen, goes on Christian missions and performs at a real mega-church but doesn’t push his religion or brag about it, has a great family (so does Adam BTW), and is truly modest. What’s not to like about this guy?

I perfer Adam, but I respect Kris. And I agree with Kris’ Wed. night interview about being in the Finals with Adam: “We’ve both won already.” That interview was IMHO Kris’ best performance of the season. And should remind us that they are supporting each other — even in the final. So I’m just glad to have Kradam — in spite of TPTB.

Adam will win. The producers will see to it. This will be the least surprising finale in a while.

Sign me up for Fast Food. Preferably with Eurotrash dance music on the overhead. Cause I guess I just don’t roll la di da-like

Hey we need more à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Pop Goes the Cameraà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ s and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Kiss and Tellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ s. We need more Lady GaGas and Brittney Spears and Madonnas type songs in the world.

I wonder if David Cook would sing any of those songs?

WWDCS? Lolz. I’d actually pay money for a Cookie cover of Like A Virgin. Hee. Seriously, though, I don’t buy music all in one genre, or from sound alike artists, so I don’t think it’s relevant. Off the top of my head, I have AC/DC, Alice in Chains, Jamie Cullum, MCR, 3OH!3, Green Day, David Cook, Buckley, Mraz, Prince, Santogold, Depeche Mode, and Missy Elliot on my iPod, and it’s not because they all would sing the same songs. Anyway, I don’t think Cook’s original stuff sounds like Adam OR Kris’s song, if that’s what you’re getting at. Obvs Cookie isn’t going to make dance/club/electronic music, cuz mwah!, and he’s a better lyricist than Kris and favors the crunchy guitar riffs.

Too often the Adam isn’t as current as Kris argument hinges on comparing Kris to Mraz and Adam to Freddy Mercury, which doesn’t work for me. Kris’s original stuff isn’t super Mrazzy to me, and Adam isn’t stuck in the 70s either. I think they could both do well album sales-wise if they get hooked up with the right songwriters and producers and album promo, or they could both flame out if that doesn’t happen. I also think they both deserve to win based on the body of work on the show, but I’m voting for Adam because I want to go to an Adam concert something fierce and I can’t say the same for Kris. Honestly, I’m cool with either of them winning.

Since I am a Danny fan (and a flaming liberal, thankyouverymuch. It’s about the voice, not the politics. But I digress), it is sort of ironic to see the fans of Kris now taking the flak that was aimed at Danny’s fans. If Danny were in the finals, Adam would have a greater chance of winning, IMO. Maybe those Glamberts who were vote splitting for Kris and Adam should have voted Danny/Adam instead?!

Simon can get so mean and Kris is a good guy who doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t deserve to be cut down in front of 30 million people.

Ah, but this happened last year to “good guy” Cook, and we all know how that turned out. Maybe Simon has learned his lesson, at least a little bit.

Dingo, no matter what you write, I have to giggle and say, I agree sistah! Bunny slippers and all!
I love Kris….puppy dog image and all and I LOVE Adam for a variety of reasons. I do think Adam has been the best performer on AI….and the main reason I tune in every week…just to see what the hell he is going to do to top last week’s performance. The other thing that I really like about Adam is when he said he liked how the ROF made some people LOVE it and many HATE it. He said that is what music is all about….and he feels comfortable pushing buttons. When you couple it with his TOTAL respect shown each week to EVERYONE…..well that won me over! Pix

ALL OF THE IDOLS SHOULD SEE THIS BEFORE THEY GO ON STAGE TO EASE THEIR STAGE FRIGHT!

From the headlines….

Simon Cowell’s Pop debut as “Wonderdog” with his #31 Hit single titlted “Ruff Mix”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw0yfiRz9zY&feature=PlayList&p=CF74763F1A778D15&index=112

Ruff Mix:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDF76LqQmK0&feature=player_embedded

The off-limits topics included: (3) rumors concerning Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gender.

WTF? Leave the kid alone, big bad bullies.

Oh the irony one article boohooing how AI has lost 7 per cent ratings and their profits are down and then an article stating how AI is still the most watched show on TV.

Dear Reuters it is all relative. Given the media empires that are going down for the count and the others that may not survive the year, the fact 19 Entertainment has made a few million dollars less is nothing to boo hoo about.

Lady Gaga was quoted as saying she thought artists who lip synch during their concerts are cheating their fans. Inclined to agree or at least artists that lip synch badly. I saw a news segment on some 9 year old kid from Canada, Justin Beaver, yes I kid you not and Justin Timberlake and Usher fought over signing this kid based on his You Tube videos. Usher won and they were taping his first video and I was impressed, the kid lip synchs better than many adults. Kid is going to make it.

I liked the My Chemical Romance vs Jason Mraz analogy of the Kradam finale, more current references, y’all.

The sad thing to me is if Kris wins, it won’t be touted as Kris was just the preference of more fans or more rabid fans, given the voting system but it was a homophobe vote working vs Adam. We will never really know which will take away from Kris’s victory. If Adam wins, it is a big victory for the gay community when it may have in fact just been again a matter of preference musically not sexually, ie we didn’t vote for Adam because he was gay we voted for him because he was more entertaining, talented, deserving etc.

Do homophobes actually watch a show like AI -wouldn’t they be watching something more macho, like TIVOed episodes of Prison Break or 24 or Ultimate Fighting?

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music sounds like Eurotrash dance music- a lot of computer gizmo mumbo-jumbo.

The Digital Glitter, Kiss and Tell, Pop Pop stuff, yes.
But The Citizen Vein music is most certainly not ” Eurotrash dance music-”- it’s as rock as it gets.

some pics of the idol’s on anoops twitter.Just put them up this morning

http://twitter.com/anoopdoggdesai

I’ve already said I love both Adam and Kris for different reasons and I have no doubt that both will be successful.

Besides Adam’s phenomenal talent, here’s the real (underlying) reason I hope he wins:
When America elected our first black president, it made me so
proud (and relieved) to know that the majority of Americans
are not bigoted, discriminative, ignorant assholes. I realize AI
is not a presidential election and hardly qualifies
as being pertinent to society for anything more than entertainment
value, however, if America makes Adam this year’s Idol, it will,
once again, reassure and make me proud that the majority
of America is the tolerant, non-judgemental, and un-selfrighteous place I want it to be.

I say this because as much as I insist that whether Adam is gay or not is a non-issue–I know it is for some. And that bothers me.

I also realize that AI does not use fair voting practices in that one can vote as many times as they want, whereas in a political election, it is one vote per person–so it is not a true comparison. However, millions of people watch and vote for AI, so I am already pleased that Adam is in the top two. Seeing him crowned in first place would be the icing on my “American dream” cake. I am so happy that the prejudices of the few do not reflect the attitude of this country.

By the way, I am a forty-something, straight, white female.

MJ–sorry if this doesn’t go here….I just went with where I was.

I think Adam will win and Adam fans cant complain.Simon will write a book on why Adam should win and the producers will somehow get it published.Kidding but i can see Simon already has a speech for tuesday on why Adam should win.

I must recommend this article about the final from the Malasia Star as one of the best and most balanced pre-Final articles I’ve read:

http://www.star-ecentral.com/news/story.asp?file=/2009/5/17/tvnradio/3915443&sec=tvnradio

Tatiana, so well said:

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think the Adam fans have anything to worry about though. The show will see to it that he wins. My guess is they will make them perform the same coronation song – no rearrangements allowed – and it will be glaringly obvious who should win based on vocal power. I just hope they arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t nasty about it. Simon can get so mean and Kris is a good guy who doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t deserve to be cut down in front of 30 million people.

I don’t know if Adam can win this, but I really do not want to here anymore of the judges hurtful critiques of Kris or Adam.

Simon already needs to send Alison flowers every day for the rest of her life to make up for saying she wasn’t likable and had no personality. Well she’s making a fool of Simon now, because she’s done brilliantly in all her post-Idol interviews. No personality, huh! So have Matt and Anoop BTW.

No matter what happens — Alison, Kris and Adam, my 3 fav’s, will do really well post Idol.

You people act like the runner-ups don’t go anywhere. Face it, the two have futures, no matter who wins. Jamie Foxx sounded like he was begging for a Kris duet. Kris is current, there’s no way they’ll just ditch him. I think he has an advantage in the music world, Top 2 and he has a self-produced album, I think he knows what he’s doing. Adam, same thing, so many people love him there’s no way he’s not going to make an album. Everyone in the top 5 last season has an album or is working on one.

And honestly, Tess, I don’t know what I just read from you. Were you teasing the media, or were you stating your opinion? Because if you were stating your opinion, I’m kinda offended. Adam’s clearly not for everyone, and neither is Kris, so you can’t say that either of them MUST appeal to the mass audience because they’re so different. But if you were teasing the media, yeah, you’re kinda right .

I’ll be voting for Kris. Kris appeals to me more as a musician. Adam’s GOOD, but he’s really just too much, I don’t really like his musical style with those extreme glory notes and rocker attitude. Kris keeps it simpler, chill, you can relax to it, and overall I think he’s had better performances than Adam (for my musical taste, that is). I’m also the type who likes to upset people who would think it would be a travesty if Adam lost, but that’s not why I’m voting for Kris (although I’m sure there are some who think having a gay Jewish Idol would be bad for the world, I just don’t see them around). I don’t want to offend Adam fans who are at least open to the opportunity of him losing, nor am I a Kris fan who is closed minded to him losing. America gets who they want, no big deal. I’ll probably shut myself in for a few days if Adam wins, but I’ll get over it and realize I’m being a baby.

Is it true that Daughtry doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want Adam to win cuz itll take him out of the spotlight?hmmmmm

I’m not a Daughtry fan but I find this absolutely amusing. Just like those insulting Cyndi Lauper and David Bowie when compared to their Idol. Just like the latter two, Daughtry has proven himself in real-time, real-market conditions. As far as I know, Daughtry just achieved quintuple platinum; what has Adam accomplished to date?

And honestly, Adam should at least be grateful that Chris Daughtry came before him because Chris (along with Bo, Blake and Cook) had helped changed the landscape of the competition that would beget circumstances wherein a contestant like Adam could succeed.

btw, who is entitled to picking the winner? seems we always blame the tweens, teens, and cougs if one guy advances over another LOL so, let me get this right, as a woman, my opinion is only valid if i am of 20-30yrs of age. anything over im a coug and want these young tasty men to myself. anything below 20 and im an over-zealous young gal who cant think straight. and if a guy likes one contestant, its based on talent…if a girl/woman likes a contestant, its because of looks (cuz us women are so easily influence by our ovaries….comment dripping with sarcasm). seriously, these reporters need to get new material.

MsAdamEve , you are so right. never before i have i seen two finalists & their families so close and loving towards each other. im actually happy that two guys who on paper seem to be polar opposites have turned out to be each other’s biggest fans. and no sense comparing their talents, its like apple and oranges. the great part about this entire finale, is that at the end of the day, there is a place for both of them in today’s market.

rumors concerning Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gender.

There are rumors concerning Archie’s gender? Last time I looked, he was male.

KrisAllen1
May 17th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

Layla-Kris had two good performances? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m wondering what ones your thinking of. Falling Slowly?Heartless? She Works Hard For The Money? Come Together? Man In The Mirror?

I thought he did a great job with “Falling Slowly” and “Heartless”. The other songs were meh for me.

Oh man, the comments. Anyway, it’s kind of hilarious watching the media play catch-up with Kris. Oh, tweens. In reality, both contestants have their tweenbase, if their homecomings showed that. I really don’t think that is what makes or break the win this year. And that talked-up “cougar” vote doesn’t seem like it either. Does this mean us twentysomethings have our say this year?

I do respect Adam for the Ring of Fire commentary he made, he likes sparking controversy. Except it’s at my expense, I’ll be the one who’ll have to hear a performance I really hate. But I’m really torn about it.

The way I see it, it’s one of those performances that I hated so much that I loved it. “Mystifying hatred.” It gives me a sense of hatred for the performance yet a sense of coolness. I dunno if I’d be able to take that a million times from Adam, but I’m sure I could take it a few more times.

But you know, if he has more performances I hate so much that I love it >_>, I’m pretty sure Adam will be fun for me . It’s kinda weird that I feel it, but I really only felt it in his Ring of Fire performance. That said, I hope he DOES do it on tour. It had the potential to be so bad (to me) that it’s awesome.

Am I weird for feeling that?

wand3rful
May 17th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
btw, who is entitled to picking the winner? seems we always blame the tweens, teens, and cougs if one guy advances over another LOL so, let me get this right, as a woman, my opinion is only valid if i am of 20-30yrs of age. anything over im a coug and want these young tasty men to myself. anything below 20 and im an over-zealous young gal who cant think straight. and if a guy likes one contestant, its based on talentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦if a girl/woman likes a contestant, its because of looks (cuz us women are so easily influence by our ovariesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.comment dripping with sarcasm). seriously, these reporters need to get new material.

Great post!

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have a problem with either guy winning, but I do think that Adam is the more à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“specialà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  of the two. Kris is good and original within the context of AI, but there are so many guys out there who can do what he does and do it better, I just canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get excited about him.

I kinda understand and agree with this. I have heard waaay better folkie/indie singers locally than Kris. He sure is a short little cutie and seems very nice and doesn’t seem to wear that “Christian” bullshit on his sleeve. He ¨’s had two really good performances and I think he can be radio top 40 friendly if he got lucky.

But he really isn’t anything special…Adam is.

I am becoming more and more discouraged with the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“safenessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  displayed by so many. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s like Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m being inundated with stupid fast food commercials as I watch all the hype about Kris. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just like fast food, same old same old with a lot of empty calories that are only about temporarily filling your stomach…

Adam with his theatre background, is definitely a novelty within the Idol bubble, but outside that bubble, neither Adam nor Kris are novelties……Adam is more likely to be top 40 pop rock (unless he decides to go the 80s rock route) and Kris will probably be AC/HAC, unless he surprises us and turns out to have songwriting skills that rival Chris Martin. So if you look at things from a different angle, Kris is the risk. Idol is all about big vocals and glory notes. If Kris wins, he’ll be idol’s most mellow contestant to date and the first person to win this contest primarily because of his talent as a musician. If Adam wins, he will be Idol’s most theatrical and eccentric winner. However, “eccentric” is all relative, once we start to compare him to the Lady Gaga’s and Pinks of the music world who are both extremely popular and loved for their eccentricity. “Safeness” depends on one’s perspective.

Since Kris became a threat to Adam, a lot of assumptions have been made about his supporters. Personally, I think that music is way too personal to start putting people in boxes just because of their preference for a singer. As it stands right now, anyone who votes for Kris is supposedly a conservative, a homophobe, a right wing Christian, an Adam hater, a giddy teenage girl or suffering from the syndrome of “safeness”. Since when was it OK to insult someone just because they didn’t like the same musical artist? Even Daughtry is now an arrogant jealous prick for liking Kris (the comments below that TMZ clip are quite interesting). All of the name-calling and comparisons of idol to politics and social issues has definitely become a “Life on the Moon” situation this season.

I probably will not vote for anyone in the finals this year, unless someone hits it out the park next week. I think they both deserve to win for completely different reasons and I could easily envision listening to Kris or Adam (with the right team of songwriters) . However, in defense of those who vote for Kris, I personally noticed Kris with his unique style from early in the competition, during Michael jackson week. There was something refreshing about the way he performed that made me pay attention, even though I found him kind of amateurish. However, as the weeks progressed, I definitely noticed an improvement as he became more polished and confident, and there was something about his performance last week that was just incredibly cool. I can easily understand why people (like Jamie Foxx) would like Kris. Not everything needs to be turned into a big social commentary.

jlc: There are rumors concerning Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gender? Last time I looked, he was male.

…. and where did you look?? :wink_wp:

wand3rful

You said it. I suspect the voters of American Idol span from 8 to 80.

And I wonder what the Jimmy Kimmel demographics are anyway?

And was is this about safeness? It is a matter of choice.

Some people like KISS, other people like John Mayer.

Some people like Bowie, some people like Robbie Williams.

Some people like Michael Buble, some people like Metallica.

Some people like Celine Dion, some people like Lady Gaga.

Some musical adventurers might have all these artists in their record collection. My own record collection is very schizophrenic. I got my soca/reggae alongside my Tragically Hip. I have AC/DC beside the Gypsy Kings. It’s all a matter of mood in my case.

All comes down to your specific musical tastes.

Indeed it is coming down to a contest between the two contestants who most deserve to be there. Both will have great careers regardless of the outcome. Looking forward to this gladitorial battle of talent. Go Kradam or Adamis!

I kinda understand and agree with this. I have heard waaay better folkie/indie singers locally than Kris. He sure is a short little cutie and seems very nice and doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem to wear that à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Christianà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  bullshit on his sleeve. He ¨Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s had two really good performances and I think he can be radio top 40 friendly if he got lucky.

Which two performances do you keep referring to? I’m thinking it might be Ain’t No Sunshine and Heartless, but I think he’s had all good performances except two.

“The other thing that I really like about Adam is when he said he liked how the ROF made some people LOVE it and many HATE it. He said that is what music is all aboutà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.and he feels comfortable pushing buttons.”

That’s NOT what music’s all about, that’s what politics is all about. If he feels comfortable pushing buttons, he shouldn’t be surprised if people push back and vote for somebody else.

Kris is cool, but I’ve heard better singer/songwriters in college/grad school, who were struggling or maybe in another profession with music as their hobby. I’m talking GREAT songwriters and better vocalists. I’ve never heard anyone exactly like Adam, and with that in mind, I think I’ve finally chosen who I’m going to vote for in the finale. Of course, it always depends on the performances.

As far as I know, Daughtry just achieved quintuple platinum; what has Adam accomplished to date?

I don’t think that’s a fair comparison given Adam’s still on the show. Of course Daughtry’s had achievements…he’s also had the publicity from Idol to get him there. He certainly didn’t have the success he has today prior to Idol so I’m not sure I get your argument. Give Adam a chance. We’ll find out after Wednesday night………and I expect Adam will easily surpass any success Daughtry’s had to date.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. and where did you look??

:smoke_tb:

lol

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s NOT what musicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all about, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what politics is all about. If he feels comfortable pushing buttons, he shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be surprised if people push back and vote for somebody else.

Hello, Carrie Underwood! I call b.s. on that. Music should be interesting. Music that doesn’t push buttons one way or another is boring and boring music sucks.

Here’s and interesting gossip tidbit from today’s NY Daily News. It may be true or not, who knows, cause they print anything:

“American Idol” finalist Adam Lambert wasn’t coy about his love life when he and other “AI” contestants got together the other night at Burbank’s Outback Steakhouse. Lambert called the dude with him “my boyfriend,” says a spy. Also looking cozy at the dinner: Anoop Desai and Megan Joy Corkrey, who sources say are an item.

I would expect Adam who knows LA really well to be in better places than the Burbank Outback.

And Megan and Anoop?

There are rumors concerning Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gender? Last time I looked, he was male.

Well, technically “gender” is a grammar term, not a biology one. I’m sure that’s what they were getting at. “archuleta” is clearly from one of the romance languages (Italian, Spanish, French, etc) and nouns ending in -a are almost always of feminine gender. So is it “la archuleta”, or not? There’s a scandal in here somewhere, I’m sure.

I guess this implies that the question of Archuleta’s sex, however, is not off the table? Strange old world, isn’t it?

I don’t think Adam will have trouble finding his niche musically. He can sing anything. I actually like “Pop Goes the Camera”, and “Kiss and Tell”. They’re really upbeat, fun songs. I also like all his love songs from Upright Cabaret. He’s so musically diverse, it amazes me. And I also think it’s kind of funny that Kris is seen as this little “angel” and Adam is described as little “devil’. I see the sweet boy next door in Adam everytime he smiles. And Adam has the voice of an angel. I can listen to him 4ever. (I know many of you think Adam shrieks. I’ve read all of those posts. That’s why I’m giving my opinion that he sings like an angel.)

@jlc

I realize AI
is not a presidential election and hardly qualifies
as being pertinent to society for anything more than entertainment
value, however, if America makes Adam this yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Idol, it will,
once again, reassure and make me proud that the majority
of America is the tolerant, non-judgemental, and un-selfrighteous place I want it to be.

I agree. I think Adam’s the better talent and hope enough other people think so for him to win based on that alone. But if he does win based on what’s relevant, I will take satisfaction in knowing that prejudice on irrelevant things wasn’t strong enough to prevent that.

Of course, if he loses, it doesn’t imply that it was due to prejudice, it just means that we don’t have proof positive that it wasn’t a factor.

Both guys are good and I like them both, but it would be a double satisfaction to not only have a great winner, but a positive step forward in our society.

And I think your Obama analogy is apt. We all know that this isn’t significant in the same way at all, but it’s still an apt analogy. I even know people who voted against Obama on policy reasons who still recognized and were proud of the fact that we had moved beyond race being a deciding factor.

And I’d bet hard cash that there are Kris fans who would feel similarly if Adam ended up winning Idol. They’d rather have Kris take it, but will still appreciate the fact that a barrier was broken.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s NOT what musicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all about

Hmmm, this sort of makes me laugh with a scrunched up brow and skeptical sparkle in my eye.

In my view, people don’t really define, much less dictate “what music’s all about” to other people. They just don’t.

BTW, have you ever listened to Green Day, or John Lennon, or even some of Bono, or Pearl Jam, etc, etc?

Tuesday’s show is going to be entertaining and amusing.

I think there will be a lot of love going to both Adam and Kris from the judges and fans alike.

Kris and Adam spend a lot of time together off the stage, and no matter who wins, they are going to be each others biggest fans. They were roommates, for Christ’s sake. They have probably worked this out from day one.

What would really be shocking is if Kris went home after the show, divorced his wife, and became Adam’s personal…ahem…”song writer”.

Now THAT would get press.

Music that doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t push buttons one way or another is boring and boring music sucks.

*nods* Tru dat. It should make you feel something. Whether it makes you laugh, cry, gasp in outrage, fan yourself, sigh dreamily, shake your ass, head bang, whatever, it should engage you in some way. Isn’t that what all artists strive for? What kind of artist strives to merely be innoffensive?

Yes, please tell us what music is all about…

Adam with his theatre background, is definitely a novelty within the Idol bubble, but outside that bubble, neither Adam nor Kris are noveltiesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

I absolutely agree with this. Up until 4 years ago I lived in Manhattan and my best friend did some understudy work in various Broadway and off-Broadway shows so I saw several shows often and was surrounded by tons of theater people,some hugely talented people with amazing ranges that can sing anything from rock, to showtunes, to ballads, to opera. I saw “Adams” every day. Agreed Kris isn’t anything special. *I* think he’s special in terms of AI this year but I fully know outside of AI he’s not some unique creature.

Give Adam a chance. Weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll find out after Wednesday nightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and I expect Adam will easily surpass any success Daughtryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s had to date.

That’s the thing, he has to be given a chance before he can be lauded as someone that will outsell everyone. With the way he’s being built up as some superstar ready to take the music world by storm I’m willing to bet if doesn’t surpass Daughtry he’ll be labeled a failure. Honestly? Expectations like that, IMO are not healthy and can lead to disappointment. I almost feel bad for Adam because he’s going to have a whole lot of pressure on him and hype to live up to. It took Daughtry 3 years to find the success and sales he has. Real success takes a while to happen and you can’t see the full picture in a matter of a few short months, just like Carrie didn’t sell 10 million CD’s overnight.

What kind of artist strives to merely be innoffensive?

Off the top of my head, only Thomas Kinkade comes to mind, cuz he’s going for the coffee cup and pillow art niche. LMAO!

mikeyb
May 17th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s NOT what musicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all about, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what politics is all about. If he feels comfortable pushing buttons, he shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be surprised if people push back and vote for somebody else.

Hello, Carrie Underwood! I call b.s. on that. Music should be interesting. Music that doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t push buttons one way or another is boring and boring music sucks.

Kris pushes buttons with his music, albeit different buttons than Adam pushes. I don’t find Kris boring in the least and the majority of my iPod is filled with singer/songwriters…people I’d guess most of you haven’t even heard of. Most of them don’t have the best voice either. It’s not necessarily about the voice to me but how they write and how they make me feel while listening to them.

I’m wondering what box I’m in because I’m voting for Kris and don’t seem to me to fit into any of the aforementioned groups of Kris voters. I prefer his voice to Adam’s is all. Adam’s tone is lacking for me. I think they are both great guys and really hate people putting others into boxes because they have a preconceived notion as to your psyche due to how you are voting on American Idol.

>>If he feels comfortable pushing buttons, he shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be surprised if people push back and vote for somebody else.>

Thats right and I bet he isnt surprised at all. he does it for the reaction. its by design. he knows very well what kind of comments its gonna elicit. He gets noticed, you wont likely forget the performance and in his eyes, its a win win.

I want my music to make a statement and it doesnt always have to be a profound one but it should speak to me in some way. thats just me. Adam doesnt play safe, he doesnt stay in the box, he knows people will talk and thats all he’s asking for. To be noticed.

There will always be a market for singer/songwriters, and there will always be a market for big show-stopping vocal acrobatics.

What is so amazing about the music world today is that we are exposed to so much more than ever before. There is something out there for everyone.

If you dig Kris’ vibeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ 
the whole piano/guitar man kissing his wife in between sets of acoustic soft rock ballads and country-tinged jams, then VOTE for him.

If you dig Adam’s jujuà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ 
the chameleon power singer with his bejeweled fingers randomly selecting music to exalt to the heavens, then VOTE for him.

Most important, listen to music that moves you, challenges you, and gives you joy
…
…
…
…even if it is Danny Gokey.

Well, technically à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“genderà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is a grammar term, not a biology one. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what they were getting at. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is clearly from one of the romance languages (Italian, Spanish, French, etc) and nouns ending in -a are almost always of feminine gender. So is it à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“la archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , or not? Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a scandal in here somewhere, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure.

Well, technically, gender is also a biological term to denote sexual catagory; males or females as a group. The article was not referring to his name (I speak spanish and am well aware of the male/female noun forms) but rather the rumors surrounding his sexual preference that arose last year during his idol run.

And I, in my remark, was being facetious regarding the author’s misuse of the term.

Off the top of my head, only Thomas Kinkade comes to mind, cuz heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going for the coffee cup and pillow art niche. LMAO!

:lol_tb: How could I forget the masterpieces of Kinkade? And then there’s Bob Ross…

Most important, listen to music that moves you, challenges you, and gives you joy
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦even if it is Danny Gokey.

:laugh_tb:

I expect Adam will easily surpass any success Daughtryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s had to date.

The weird thing about expectations is that sometimes, they’re totally unrealistic.

If music isn’t about pushing buttons I guess Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, The Sex Pistols, and The Clash should have just keep their mouths shut. REALLY!?! WTF?

I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even imagine how heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be crucified for stealing the title from the greatest contestant who has ever stepped foot on the Idol stage.

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He’ll survive, like Ruben, vilified for beating Clay……still has a paying gig and a cd coming out this week……

AI has lost 7 per cent ratings and their profits are down and then an article stating how AI is still the most watched show on TV.

I believe it was revenue they were refering to, not ratings.

I think Adam will win because he’s just more of everything this show is about. He’s a better singer, a better performer, better in front of the camera. I hope he wins because he’s earned it. I like Kris, but I am not excited about what kind of music he will put out.

People keep harping on that Kris is current….but everyone knows that the musical landscape is changing. What gets played on the radio is changing. We never know what will be current in 6 months, so if we are saying the Kris is current means right now. Frankly, I think that both are adaptable and need to be in order to succeed. I think shape shifting Adam is well up to the task.

Should music push buttons? Absolutely. Music changed the world, from the very beginning of time. When the children of Israel scored a victory, they sang and danced to The Lord, when those kids during the civil rights movement marched in the street, they sang, songs of freedom, songs of revolution.

We Shall Overcome, Blowing in The Wind, Change is Gone Come, Mercy, Mercy Me? Of course music is supposed to push buttons. Evidently Marvin, Stevie, The Beatles and Dylan missed the memo. I guess it’s just something to screw of shake your ass too, couldn’t possibly be content related, or make you think.

Trina: I’ve been to many broadway shows/musicals and I have never ever seen one “Adam”. Brilliant, talented singers yes. But Adam is unique.

“praepos
Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s NOT what musicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all about, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what politics is all about. If he feels comfortable pushing buttons, he shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be surprised if people push back and vote for somebody else.”

Actually that IS partly what music is all about. Musicians (as artists do in any form of the arts) come in two categories – those who lead and those who follow. There is nothing wrong with those who follow, they’ve provided some great music, but without those who lead, who dare to innovate, we would still all be singing “Hey Nonny Nonny” and gregorian chants.

For me, Kris falls into the latter category – he’s a follower. In a very, very simplified timeline (so please don’t jump on me and say I left so-and-so out) Bob Dylan – James Taylor – Billy Joel – Jack Johnson – Kris Allen. He follows in the footsteps of a long line of influential, talented singer songwriters. Kris has a very wide appeal because he is nothing new (and I really don’t mean that in a derogatory way, I promise). His sound is familiar, non-threatening, easy for people to wrap their heads around. I think he is extremely talented, very radio-ready and will do well post-idol, especially if his songwriting talents match his musicality. Whether he’ll be up there with Mayer, Mraz et al remains to be seen but of the two finalists, he is actually 19E’s safer bet because in today’s music market his style already has a home.

Adam is more of an enigma. His musical influences have been clear on the Idol stage – 70′s glam rock, 80′s hairbands, even the blues-y soul feel of Sam Cook & Al Green (his vocals in Feeling Good have a definite blues tinge). I think at this stage it’s hard to say which of the two categories Adam actually WILL fall into post-Idol. There is a possibility he’ll end up in the hole in which Randy especially is trying to put him and will go full-on 70′s/80′s rock. In that case I’d class him as a follower.

However Adam himself seems, up until now, determined not to pigeon hole himself and if he can stay true to that then he will become the former – a leader. He is polarizing and makes some people uncomfortable because many people like familiarity, to be able to listen to something and say ‘ah, that’s this or that’s that’. With Adam it’s impossible to do – is he the guy who full-on rocks out to Whole Lotta Love, the tortured soul who sang Mad World, the 80′s rock wailer who sang Cryin’ or the sensual, slightly dark singer who sang Ring of Fire? Nobody knows and it makes some very excited, some uncomfortable. I actually think he is all of the above and more but that’s hard for some to process in a world where everything is branded and tagged. His vocals are also a polarizing issue – his range and voice are outstanding but he pushes vocal limits and it’s not to everyone’s taste.

To my mind, music SHOULDN’T be to everyone’s taste. True creativity always pushes the taste boundaries. To some it then becomes tasteless, to others it’s extremely exciting, but without it the world of music would be extremely dull.

I personally think Adam has the potential and talent to be an innovator in the music industry – his vocal talent and versatilty leave a lot of stylistic options open to him. Whether he will or not remains to be seen – there are many factors that could influence that, not least of which will be whether 19E are willing to allow him enough creative freedom. If they are, I’d wager he’ll try the Ring-of-Fire route – push the boundaries and see how people take it. It’s this that would make him a gamble for 19E and could tempt them to reign him in. But at least he wants to TRY and do something different – an attitude which has been hideously lacking in the music world for at least the last decade or so. And for that I can only applaud him. As for those who don’t like him, he still draws a reaction, often a very extreme one. And that is exactly what he’s aiming for. He could have toned down the wail, played it safe on Idol, used his outstanding vocal ability and waltzed his way to the title. I say kudos to him for daring not to do so.

Anyway, I’ve waffled enough, sorry. I think both of these guys have very promising futures in the music industry and good luck to both of them. Although my heart is with Adam, I will probably buy music from both of them (and I’ve never bought anything from an Idol artist before) and either will make a worthy winner.

Seriously abbysee, will you marry me?

Well, technically, gender is also a biological term to denote sexual catagory; males or females as a group. The article was not referring to his name (I speak spanish and am well aware of the male/female noun forms) but rather the rumors surrounding his sexual preference that arose last year during his idol run.

And I, in my remark, was being facetious regarding the authorà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s misuse of the term.

Off on a tangent, but oh well…

My partner is a professor in Communications who teaches gender politics and queer theory. Both are correct, unfortunately. But gender is typically not used in biology for classification. They use the term sex. “The sex of the infant is male”. Non-medical or scientific communities use the term “gender” more fluidly, and often in incorrect terms.

One’s gender is rarely absolute. We all have a feminine and masculine side, whether we choose to admit it or not, so the term gender is used sparingly for specific purpose.

As for the author’s use of the term, it was poorly chosen.

Artist like John Mayer,augusta,fray,Mat Kearney,kelly clarkson,Chris Daughty,Kate voegele always catch my attention.Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure America competely disagrees with me.

Well this American doesn’t. But here’s the thing for me. I just went on utube to play the Augustana, cuz I wasn’t familiar with them. I like them. They have the same vibe as Kris. So now I can just go buy their CD instead of waiting around for Kris’s. But I don’t have to cuz my Ipod is brimming with stuff that sounds just like this. There are dozens of artists out there that are some version of this stuff. i don’t want more of the same. I want new! different! better! I want Adam FTW.

If you dig Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s jujuà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ 

*Raises hand, and tosses shoes* Totally digging the juju. I am definitely gonna use this phrase again. Adams’s juju. I like it.

I wouldn’t use the term “eccentric” to describe Adam’s style, “eclectic” seems more suitable. He is comfortable with most of the musical genre’s. He enjoys rock, but his vocal ability and delivery makes all his performances delightful to me. He appears comfortable and confident in all genres.
I adore Kris, but am not a fan of his musical style, to me it’s very common. To me, they are both winners. Both have shown extreme likeability and genuineness.
I’m reading a lot of the writeups from the various sources and so much sniping going on. I don’t believe Adam or Kris would be pleased that it has become so snarky with some of the passive aggresiveness shown by some of their fans and the various news & magazine writers.

I don’t know if it’s been posted already but Chris Daughtry likes Kris Allen not only because of his performances, but also because he reminds him of himself since they were both married while on Idol and not because he considers Adam a threat. Actually from a lot of celebrities I see in interviews, they like both Adam and Kris! =)

Also CD sales are a lot different now than a few years ago because of technology and everything so it’s harder to go multiplatinum no matter how popular someone is. I mean, I think this past week’s number one album only sold 90,000. I think they can both be successful (as long as their songs are good) and also because people can already imagine what their records would sound like and that’s why people voted them to the top 2 spots.

I think the most successful Idols in the past were ones who did define themselves on the show (Kelly Pickler- country, daughtry-rock, etc) but for the most part, most of the contestants never really defined themselves through their performances to show that they fit into the current music industry. For example, Kat McPhee was a good singer but she fought against her more natural jazzy sound and tried being a really pop singer and that’s why she didn’t find success. That’s why I truly believe, no matter if you like them or not, I really think that they would both do well- Kris as a pop/rock artist and Adam as a glam rocker.

“Besides Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s phenomenal talent, hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the real (underlying) reason I hope he wins:
When America elected our first black president, it made me so
proud (and relieved) to know that the majority of Americans
are not bigoted, discriminative, ignorant assholes. I realize AI
is not a presidential election and hardly qualifies
as being pertinent to society for anything more than entertainment
value, however, if America makes Adam this yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Idol, it will,
once again, reassure and make me proud that the majority
of America is the tolerant, non-judgemental, and un-selfrighteous place I want it to be.”

And if Kris wins, what’ll this prove–that Americans are bigoted? Adam himself admits he can get in people’s faces with his style of singing–so why shouldn’t it follow that some people would resent that and vote for somebody else?

Sorry I don’t buy the argument that all music must challenge you. It should move you but it doesn’t always have to challenge you or society or authority or whatever. Music is like all art -you know what you like when you see it or hear it even if you can’t explain it. Just because experts tell you should love Picasso doesn’t mean it moves you like Monet does.

Different music is for different moods. I don’t want a steady diet of the same thing. I like the fact music is a smorgasbord.

I use different music for different moods and I like different music for different reasons.

I can enjoy the Black Eyed Peas as well as I can enjoy Blue October. [Though yes the latter is likely much better live, never seeing the former live yet]

I can enjoy Flo Rida as well as James Morrison.

I can enjoy Shania Twain as well as Johnny Cash.

I can enjoy the Clash and U2 as well as Justin Timberlake and Timbaland.

abbysee May 17th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

If you dig Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s jujuà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ 

*Raises hand, and tosses shoes* Totally digging the juju. I am definitely gonna use this phrase again. Adamsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s juju. I like it.

Sure, I wave the rights for you. :cool1_tb:

JJ82
This

“In my view, people donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really define, much less dictate ‘what musicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all about’ to other people. They just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t.”

Adam just did–by stating music WAS all about getting in people’s faces–by deliberately making music he knows some people will hate. I’m simply negating that narrow perspective.

However Adam himself seems, up until now, determined not to pigeon hole himself and if he can stay true to that then he will become the former – a leader.

I’m afraid that’s a difficult row to hoe as the winner of American Idol (or runner-up or anybody signed to 19R). For years, I’ve been hearing about this Idol or that Idol who will change the world of music. Who will rid Pop radio of crap and replace it with a new vision. A vision that will bring the disenfranchised listeners back to radio. A vision that will revive radio. A vision that will unite.

All those predictions have failed. Most of them, badly. The only Idols that have been truly successful are the ones that have had an existing popular mold to pop into. There is nothing revolutionary about Kelly’s pop or Daughtry’s rock or Carrie’s country (or Kellie’s, Bucky’s or Josh’s country). They put out great albums, but they did not redefine the genre or break new ground.

Kelly I think is a great example. She put out one good pop album and one great pop album. Then, she decided to test her wings and try something which was out of her zone. The record label did not respond well to that and her third album was not a terrific commercial success.

Clive has been most clear. He’s said that he views the Idols as being commercial entities. He views people like Alicia as being artists. I suspect that his views are shared by many at Sony. Idols have proven, by and large, to have a short shelf life. So, Sony/19R will make hay while the sun shines. They are going to give them songs they already have (or, in some cases, let them write with their stable of writers) and they will put out an album by mid-November or else. That doesn’t give a lot of room for innovation or leading. As somebody much wiser than me once said, post-Idol albums are like pancakes. The first one is for the dog.

That’s not to say Adam cannot be the break-out Idol that makes a truly innovative music and does change the world of music. I just think that’s more likely to happen over time than with his first album given the constraints.

I also don’t think that it’s a reason to vote against Adam. Even if his first album doesn’t change the world of music and isn’t the concept album that influences generations of musicians/music fans, doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t also be the American Idol. I think he would make a fantastic and interesting winner. I don’t care for his musical style, but I can certainly appreciate that others do.

I wish both contestants luck and I hope they both nail their songs, that Tuesday features some fierce competition, that the judges/producers just let it happen and that there is little to no baggage with whoever wins.

Is it true that Daughtry doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want Adam to win cuz itll take him out of the spotlight?hmmmmm

Yeah, I’m sure Daughtry’s just curled up into the fetal position in the corner, rocking himself back in forth, worrying about that….

Actually, it’s not just Daughtry though. I hear all the major labels are bringing in suicide-prevention counselors for their artists and their execs because they fear they may never move anouther unit and never sell another concert ticket if Adam Lambert wins American Idol.
Because radio stations across the dial will abruptly begin devoting 24 hour a day programming to Adam Lambert covers and originals. MTV will rename itself ATV. Major music festivals will be reorganized and renamed such as “Adampalooza” which will be beamed by satellite to every country around the globe.

And even American Idol itself will itself be renamed to Adamic Idol, where Adam will judge the performances from seasons from hereon out hooked up via videomonitor in between shows on his world tour– which will feature attendances that make yesterday’s Cook/Archuleta show in Manila look like the guys were performing off to the side of the bar on a makeshift stage at TGIFriday’s during happy hour….

jj82>> :clap_tb:

The weird thing about expectations is that sometimes, theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re totally unrealistic.

In some cases, yes, but I feel very confident about Adam. I don’t think he’s a flash in the pan. As a matter of fact, I don’t think we’ve seen his best yet given the restraints of Idol.

I really don’t care about post Idol careers. I’m voting for the one who has made this year more entertaining to me. The one who, to my tastes, has been the most consistent. For me, that is Adam. I can’t name a performance of his that I cringed at, except for Cher in Hollywood.

Post Idol: I don’t know. The Scissor Sisters are more popular in the UK, even though they’re from NY. So, hmm. I will buy what he’s selling.

Kris has had his share of moments, but he’s also had more misses. Don Henley? Duet with Gokey? Come Together (no, I wasn’t digging it). Kris seems like he knows a lot about music and arranging, but his voice lacks originality. Jason’s voice last year had something special. Kris sounds generic to me. I mention Jason only because they have a similar singer/songwriter vibe. I don’t think its fair to compare Kris and Adam vocally, because they have different strengths.

Post Idol: Lots of competition in his genre with a more unique vibe. More acceptable genre than Adam. With the right marketing, who knows?

Biggest potential star? Allison. Great pop/rock genre out there. Way better voice than most in her genre.

Adam just didà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’by stating music WAS about getting in peopleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s facesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’by deliberately making music he knows some people will hate. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m simply negating that narrow perspective.

Praepos, I don’t recall Adam ever saying he wanted to make music people hated. But maybe he did, can you please link the interview? I do believe he said he likes to get people to look at things differently. The end result is that some people may hate it. But I don’t think he sets out to make music people hate. That is just the end result sometimes. Like ROF. Adam didn’t do ROF to make people hate it. I”m sure he would have liked if everyone loved it. But it didn’t work out that way. But it wasn’t worth it for him to change his ROF arrangement to please the masses.

I think when someone doesn’t like someone, or I would even venture, hates someone, they will look at every statement and cast it into a negative light. I know that happened to Gokey as well. But I guess the boys knew what they were getting in to when the signed on the dotted line.

Kristen
“Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not to say Adam cannot be the break-out Idol that makes a truly innovative music and does change the world of music. I just think thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s more likely to happen over time than with his first album given the constraints.”

100% agree. Will be interesting to see what happens come album no. 2 though. Could be a battle royal ahead between Adam and his label!

btw, just read somewhere that both Adam & Kris’s offical facebook pages seem to have been taken over by 19E with offical pictures up and everything (not been to check as no idea where they are!) Also the Zodiac Show official YouTube have taken down their videos of Adam. Looks like TPTB are gearing up for the post-Idol push.

Oh, and regarding all the “Kris will win” articles, can’t help but be amused by all the back-peddling press now hedging their bets so they can pat themselves on the back after Weds, whoever wins. I can’t imagine there’s been a huge voting swing in the last few days. Both have large hard-core fan bases who aren’t going to change their minds now. I’m not sure the Danny to Kris vote is a strong as some think (I was back in the US last week and there were still a lot of Adam & Danny people that I spoke to – though admittedly this was LA so could have been biased!). I think it’ll come down to casual voters and who does best on the night. Got to laugh at the journalists though. How the hell did they, along with the judges, not see Kris coming over Gokey when pretty much every single viewer did! Idiots!

“Actually that IS partly what music is all about. Musicians (as artists do in any form of the arts) come in two categories – those who lead and those who follow. There is nothing wrong with those who follow, theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve provided some great music, but without those who lead, who dare to innovate, we would still all be singing à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Hey Nonny Nonnyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and gregorian chants.”

Music can’t be PARTLY something and ALL about something at the same time. Adam’s statement was categorical–he said music was “all” about dividing people, taste-wise. That’s not true. It may be partly true, as you state, but even then not all artistic innovation is divisive. So he’d be wrong even by that measure. In fact Adam’s statement tells us more about his own aggressiveness than it does about music. There’s an in-your-face quality behind his use of eye-makeup and lip gloss and girly trills that may be more political than musical.

I don’t care who wins at this point. I’m looking forward to Anoop’s CDs & concerts more than anything else. :cool_wp:

And if Kris wins, whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll this proveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’that Americans are bigoted?

FWIW, I don’t believe that’s what the poster you’re quoting meant. Everyone knows that Kris clearly could win this title on his fairly easy-going, inoffensive (almost universally accepted) style, as the thrust of the discussion here (on both sides) seems to be acknowledging.

People may simply breathe a sigh of relief if Adam wins because it may be seen as a possible indication that we’re moving forward as a less divisive society, when so many other indicators suggest the opposite. At least we’ll know that he wasn’t rejected outright for his sexual orientation.

I do not, however, believe that the poster you’re quoting meant to suggest that a Kris win will underscore bigotry. Because, we won’t know anything other than that Kris won, and since he’s a talented musician, no one can say with any degree of certainty that bigotry played a deciding role. Conversely, an Adam win will indeed tell us that bigotry did not play a deciding role, and that’s a good thing.

In any event, I would happily take away the more positive message from an Adam win. Because that’s how I choose to view it — and because that’s what it will be to me.

Jimmy Kimmel is sooooo right. The cutest boy always wins. Remember last yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s finale between Michael Johns and Luke Menard? Hey, wait a minuteà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

And remember, how Carly Smithson, who had at worst the third best voice that year rode her massive fanbase, all the way to a third-place finish. Oh, wait a minute….

And I think Idol’s legions of female viewers thought the Davids were pretty attractive themselves. Different chicks for different Davids, but still….

gingerly
… the majority of my iPod is filled with singer/songwritersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦people Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d guess most of you havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even heard of. Most of them donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have the best voice either. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not necessarily about the voice to me but how they write and how they make me feel while listening to them.

Amen!

Dylan, Cohen, Springsteen, Petty…they all sound like the back end of a garbage truck. James Taylor sings through his nose. Ryan Adams…still haven’t figured out WTF he’s doing. And do I care? Nope. Love ‘em all. A lot.

IMNVHO, there’s little going on right now in the music biz that’s worth listening to, and plenty of room for both Kris and Adam to do their very different things. I have high hopes that they can get me more interested in opening up my wallet than I have been in a while.

They’re both wonderful, and I plan to continue cheering for both of them right up until the second the confetti comes down. And after. So I’ll take a cheeseburger with a side of fois gras, please.

We Shall Overcome, Blowing in The Wind, Change is Gone Come, Mercy, Mercy Me? Of course music is supposed to push buttons. Evidently Marvin, Stevie, The Beatles and Dylan missed the memo. I guess ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just something to screw of shake your ass too, couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t possibly be content related, or make you think.

Love this!

JJ82- you rock!!! Love your posts! :clap_tb:

If you dig Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s jujuà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ 

*Raises hand, and tosses shoes* Totally digging the juju. I am definitely gonna use this phrase again. Adamsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s juju. I like it.

Flove it! Adam’s Ju-Ju! Defintaely stealing this!

I really donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care about post Idol careers. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m voting for the one who has made this year more entertaining to me. The one who, to my tastes, has been the most consistent. For me, that is Adam. I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t name a performance of his that I cringed at, except for Cher in Hollywood.

I guess it just a guilty pleasure — but I loved Adam’s “Believe” — it almost make me forget Cher existed. And I still have a bit of trouble with the fact that he made me like PTFMWB.

I honestly thought David Cook was the most attractive guy of Season 7.. post hair cut.

Kris is NO James Taylor! JT was a tortured soul whose fantastic early music reflected this.

Music canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be PARTLY something and ALL about something at the same time. Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s statement was categoricalà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’he said it was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“allà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  about making music that divides people, taste-wise. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not true. It may be partly true, as you state, but even then not all artistic innovation is divisive. So heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be wrong even then. In fact Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s statement tells us more about his own aggressiveness than it does about music. Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s an in-your-face quality behind his use of eye-makeup and lip gloss and girly trills that may be more political than musical.

Except now you’re merging my statement with Adam’s. I personally believe it’s PARTLY what music is about because I have a very eclectic music taste and enjoy both those who innovate and those who follow others.

I obviously can’t speak for Adam or know what goes on in his mind any more than you can but that interview came across to me as him stating his subjective view on music, his OPINION. He’s clearly an innovator at heart and obviously believes that that is what music is about. It’s just his point of view and he’s entitled it whether you get a bee in your bonnet about it or not. Points of view are subjective. You don’t have to agree with them but that doesn’t make him wrong and you right, or vice versa.

Everyone’s music has been done before. Adam will not produce some groundbreaking, never before heard music. Musical tastes change and people like what they like. It’s as simple as that.

I remember in season 5, I wanted Taylor to win with a burning desire in the finale. I felt that if he didnt win he would never, ever get a chance to premiere his music and would never be able to do what he wanted to do most, play music. Thats what he does.

This season its much different for me. I dont have the desperation that I had in season 5. I think, I believe that Adam will do fantastic all on his own from this point forward. Thats how far he has come and if he doesnt win, he still wins. The situ’s are very different.

I want Adam to win very badly but not so much for him as for me. His career has already been launched. I like Kris, it wouldnt be so bad if he won and I think he needs it a little more. I mean that with no disrespect to him or his fans. I mean that Adam is very recognizeable, very unforgettable for better or for worse.

Tess: you are closed to be banned

“Praepos, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t recall Adam ever saying he wanted to make music people hated. But maybe he did, can you please link the interview?”

I was responding to another poster who cited Adam.

Noctem Seizure..heeheehee, I just read your post…pick me up from the floor and grab my teeth, too. HaHaHa. Too funny~!

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s statement was categoricalà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’he said music was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“allà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  about dividing people, taste-wise.

praepos: I’ve not read this, do you have a cite or link? Thanks in advance!

breakdown. Everyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music has been done before. Adam will not produce some groundbreaking, never before heard music. Musical tastes change and people like what they like. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s as simple as that.

Hmmm, I agree with that for the most part, though I wouldn’t personally say everyone’s music’s been ‘done’ before. But everyone takes influences from those who went before them. Some just slip straight into the mold of those before them, some take the influences and twist them into something else. From everything he’s said in interviews so far, Adam seems to want to do the latter. Whether he will or not remains to be seen. I think think he has the potential but we all know not every potential will be realised.

I’m deleting all the political talk.

Watch for it.

edit: commenting on the thread will bet you banned too. Just STAY on topic and let me handle it

“even the tweens and cougars texting themselves into comas.”

:lol_tb:

I expect Adam will easily surpass any success Daughtryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s had to date.

Ummmm, nope!

It’s kind of ironic that Robbie Williams is a fan of Adam, because like Robbie I truly do not think Adam will have recording success in this country. I see him more like an Anastasia, an American singer popular worldwide except in her own country.

I’m not a Kris fan because I think the music industry has enough Jason Mraz/Jack Johnson/Ryan Adams/Ray LaMontagne/Ben Harper types. Hell, Kris may even stand in line behind Jason Castro, who just signed a contract with Atlantic Records. It’s going to be a tough road to hoe for Kris. If he goes the teen idol route, I think only Frank Sinatra, Pat Boone, and to a lesser extent, John Lennon, are the only ones I could think of as being successful married teen idols. Both guys have tough road ahead if they plan on being successful in the music industry.

That’s why I was a fan of Allison. I truly believe she is the only one out of this season’s top 10 that may have a successful recording career.

dear chicksineggz
me too…I love them both.

Noctem Seizure…the post you wrote at 3:19, still laughing!

jj82
May 17th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

One of the best posts I’ve read in a very long time…Kudos! and Thanks for expressing the things I haven’t been able to express.

did SOMEBODY mention SPANKING?

ohhhhhhh, my mind wanders when im daydreaming about Adam. lololol. its all that leather.

I’ve learned that it’s impossible to know how well a contestant will do post-idol. Studio recordings and their iTunes sales mean nothing.

wow, this is getting kinda wild. but I like it when people try to broaden the discussion, since Idol is a part of the whole picture of American pop culture and not an isolated phenomenon, musically or otherwise.

jj82, I need to disagree with your idea of Kris as a “follower” and Adam as a trailblazer. First of all, many a great artist gets where they are going by “stealing from the best.” Bob Dylan, surely one of the most important songwriters in rock/pop history, borrowed heavily from Woody Guthrie and others who came before him, blending it gradually into his own style.

Maybe it’s my middle-aged jadedness or something, but when I hear Adam I hear a lot of Robert Plant, and lots of other glam/rock/metal influences. I don’t really hear Motown (though Iliked his lovely rendition of “Tracks of My Tears”), and I don’t hear anything that I would call “new.” But he uses those influences in his own way.

When I listen to Kris, yes, I hear a bit of Jason Mraz and John Mayer, and others doing the jazzy-folky-acoustic thing lately. But I also think his voice is quite unique. I’ve been relistening to some of his performances to make sure that he’s really as good as I’ve felt he was on first impression. And though he’s certainly not the technically adept singer with the huge range that Adam is, he has a distinctive, very attractive voice and phrasing, and me likee. He also isn’t slavishly copying any one particular artist. And his guitar work is more impressive than it might seem if you don’t play that instrument — he’s changing up the chords and rhythms in very cool ways.

I think people are trying to mount persuasive closing arguments with these artists, especially Adam because his fans are more impassioned.

But I don’t think music is about those arguments. Whoever above said that some of their favorites sound like garbage truckers(I wouldn’t got that far!) has it right. Paul Simon, another brilliant songwriter-singer, has a very small, thin voice — and he’s a tremendous artist of major importance. There are many, many examples of this.

Now I’m not putting Kris in Paul Simon’s category, no way! But I think, over time, this 23-year old kid with an often beguiling voice, and terrific musical skills to supplement that, could produce something wonderful and very much his own. I also imagine and hope that after AI, Adam will build on his creative ideas to forge something very much his own.

“Leader” and “follower” just don’t make sense in the context of Idol, where everyone does oldies and covers within 2-minute, tightly controlled slots. And ultimately, what excites you musically doesn’t have too much to do with rational argument, either.

Seriously abbysee, will you marry me?

Set the date baby! :wub_tb:

Sure, I wave the rights for you.

Thanks, good lines must be used and used often.

you kids talkinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ politics are gonna get a spankin I tell ya.

I get spanked enough so I am not even going to jump into that fire.

I don’t think that Adam will start any revolution. I don’t and have never implied that any idol contestant would do anything that could change the industry. I just want him to put out a cd that alot of people like, so that he can move units, and put out a kick ass concert. That’s it.

Adam just didà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’by stating music WAS about getting in peopleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s facesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’by deliberately making music he knows some people will hate. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m simply negating that narrow perspective

Adam didn’t say that he wants to make music people will hate. He wants to make music as true to an artistic vision and some people will love it, some people will hate it. But it wasn’t about wanting people to hate his music. Just that he’s okay if people do, because he thinks music shouldn’t be boring. And if your making music with the objective of being as inoffensive to as many people as possible, you’re playing it too safe and to him, that’s not what music is about. And I agree with that. And yes, thankfully music has changed from being challenged and thank goodness, otherwise as someone said, we’d still be singing Gregorian chants.

I would also say though that Kris does take chances with his music as well. And I don’t think that Kris is trying to be as inoffensive as possible with his music. That’s not his goal. And while I do think that yes, his voice, and style are less challenging to more people, that doesn’t mean it’s less artistic. Though I for one, don’t like some of his music (especially most of his iTunes stuff), because it bores the ever living crap out of me. So see? Even Kris can be “offensive,” with his music. Which he shouldn’t care about in creating what he thinks is good music, just like Adam shouldn’t/doesn’t. And I’m sure if you asked Kris if he would be upset if people hated his music, because he was re-arranging it, or because of his vocals, he would say that he had to be true to himself and if people didn’t like, oh well.

And going to the article of who will have the bigger post AI career? I think it’s a crapshoot. And that’s true of any artist, no matter how good, or not, they are. I agree with the person that said that in fact Allison might be the easiest sell. But I do hope that both Kris and Adam survive 19E(or whatever version) they up working with, because it does seem to be blindly commerical in it’s goals, to the detriment of the music/musican most of the time.

Adam may not start a revolution but American Idol the TV show will never be the same.

Both these guys are talented. One is a standout, the other is more than qualified to make beautiful music. Its all about timing.

I will buy both CD’s.

sneezepaddle
May 17th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Adam may not start a revolution but American Idol the TV show will never be the same.

Yes but blake lewis started it.

To Colette:
Oh please don’t get me wrong, I wasn’t trying to say that Kris is just a carbon copy of someone else. I actually like him. A lot. But for me he has so far not shown anything that makes me think he has the potential to radically affect, let alone change, the face of popular music. I agree that the voice does not necessarily make the artist – Paul Simon & Bob Dylan are two of my favourite artists and neither have strong voices. What they both are are innovative, passaionate and sometimes controversial song-writers and arrangers. But I’ve also listened to his pre-Idol stuff and there is nothing there that shows me that he is going to do anything radically different from the many other singer-songwriters out there. He’s also not really shown or stated any desire to do so when interviewed. I’m more than open to being proved wrong by him though. And I fully expect to both buy and love his CD’s post-Idol. I really, really like his voice. Just because I don’t think he’ll do anything radical in the music industry doesn’t mean I won’t really like what he puts out. His style of music is actually right up my street.

I also have no real idea whether Adam will do anything radical either. What I applaud is that he has the DESIRE to do so. Of course he’s influenced by others – name me one musician who isn’t or wasn’t? I think it was Danny who said (and I’m paraphrasing not quoting here) that Adam basically drips creativity. (I think Danny said something like he dresses creativity, talks creatively etc). And that’s where I think he has the POTENTIAL to innovate. Doesn’t mean he actually will, it just means I think he has the potential to, as does anyone who is imbibed creativity to that degree. Also doesn’t mean everyone’s going to like it or be moved by it either. On the other hand he might do nothing whatsoever inventive and end up putting out a load of radio ready music to sell a few CD’s. Who knows?

Or maybe they’ll both disappear within a year, next to be found in a touring musical production of “Honey I Shrunk The Kids”?

My heart is with Adam winning Idol for a variety of reasons but I’m also open to the possibility I may either love or loathe what he puts out after Idol.

And ultimately, what excites you musically doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have too much to do with rational argument, either.

Oh, I agree, but I think that’s also a separate point to my argument, which was based on rationality. Ultimately love of any art is subjective. Doesn’t mean we can’t have a rational discussion about it as well though. Life without debate would be very dull!!

On a totally random side-note, wonder who were actually the first ‘musicians’. Cave men? And were they influenced by nature? Ok jj, shut up with the philosophy…. :redface_wp:

I honestly don’t care what Chris Daughtry thinks and who he favors. There are plenty of celeb endorsements to go around.

I did just listen to Kris’s pre-Idol stuff from his album, and honestly, I was underwhelmed. I kinda liked one of the three I listened to, the Leaving one, but the others were, well, for me for you … forgettable. And I have to say what I liked the most about the Leaving song was the arrangement. It occurred to me that you could plug in another singer’s voice and it would still sound pretty good. In fact, the instrumentation sort of overpowered the vocals so the phrasings and such weren’t really that important. And therein lies the problem for me with Kris. What I like most about him has nothing to do with his singing. And this is a singing contest.

On the other hand, with Adam, with every single song he has performed on this show, you could not take Adam out of the equation and put some other singer in. Wouldn’t fly. Even songs with iffy arrangements (I’m looking at you Orland) such as FG, IICHY and One, would have been disasters but for the power of Adam’s voice. His voice made those songs. In some ways it could be said that Kris has reached the Final because of his arrangements whereas Adam has reached it in spite of some of his arrangements.

As far as the homophobia thing is concerned, in my heart of hearts I truly believe, if all things were the same except that Adam were straight as opposed to gay, I think people would be talking about how big the margin of victory would be and opposed to whether or not he could win. So yes, I do think homophobia is a factor.

Im curious, where can i listen to Kris’s pre idol stuff? Thanks

On TV Guide they had a special on Idol’s Sexiest Stars. And this is their list.
25- Antonella Barba and Bikini Girl
24- Taylor Hicks
23- Megan Corkery
22- Bo Bice
21- Chris Richardson
20- Tamyra Gray
19- Blake Lewis
18- Nadia Turner
17- Brooke White
16- Ace Young
15- Kris Allen
14- Kristy Lee Cook
13- Kelly Clarkson
12- Syesha Mercado
11- Constantine Maroulis
10- Jason Castro
9- Haley Scarnato
8- Justin Guarini
7- Michael Johns
6- Kellie Pickler
5- David Cook
4- Kimberly Caldwell
3- Chris Daughtry
2- Katharine McPhee
1-Carrie Underwood

They have some weird picks…

Noctem. How I love thee. Let me count the ways.

btw, who is entitled to picking the winner? seems we always blame the tweens, teens, and cougs if one guy advances over another LOL so, let me get this right, as a woman, my opinion is only valid if i am of 20-30yrs of age. anything over im a coug and want these young tasty men to myself. anything below 20 and im an over-zealous young gal who cant think straight. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦if a girl/woman likes a contestant, its because of looks

I wish I didn’t believe this was at least partially true. I’m not saying it is true for you, specifically or for anyone else on here individually. But, in the Idol Nation at large, yes, I do believe there is veracity in this. And even though you were being sarcastic in your voting trends/ demographic breakdown, I think your analysis was unintentionally quite keen in large parts.

I don’t believe it’s any coincidence that as women 18 – 30 began to tune out, which is one of the prime demos that media analysts say that has eroded in the AI audience, Idol stopped producing Kellys and Carries. Of course, women in that bracket are susceptible to becoming fans of male contestants too, but they are also more likely to identify with a female artist of similar age.

Next year, the Idol Nation will have a chance to disprove this theorem. But, it won’t take just a woman winning to disprove it. She will have to emerge victorious from a field stacked with “cute”, charismatic boys who have ample talent, just`as the last two seasons have had. If a girl wins, but the “hearththrob quotient” is low or its collective talent level is mediocre, then the theory holds.

Understand though, that the “Idol- As-(Cute)-Boys-Club” factor affects both contestant selection and the audition pool. Idol producers know the overwhelming majority of their viewers and voters are women, and so they are going to be influenced to cast the season so as to make them happy.

Furthermore, talented women singers/ artists around the country may very well be dissuaded from even trying out after they watch what has been happening the last couple years. Such travesties as Carly Smitshon going out sixth in S7, Alison going out 4th this year, Alexis going out ELEVENTH, not to mention the exclusion of Felicia, Jessie, Kristin McNamara, and Mishovonna Henson may make them sit back and think “why even bother?”…..

Some of my best “new” music comes from shows like House, Greys Anatomy and even NCIS.

Lifehouse
Collective Soul
New Radicals
and I adore Five For Fighting. Hardly new but love them.

And in my favs on my ipod is Taylor’s Seven Mile Breakdown which, for me, is very very good. If I can sing to it and can learn the words in the first 15 minutes then thats my criteria for being a hit. I dont understand why it has not caught on. I think that beat is catchy.

On TV Guide they had a special on Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Sexiest Stars. And this is their list.

They have some weird picksà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

They certainly do … I know that, like beauty, sexiness is in the eye of the beholder but I don’t see how they can have a Sexiest Idol Stars list without the name Adam Lambert appearing there somewhere. :nono_tb:

Don’t tell me they left him off as it would be too “controvercial” (rolls eyes)

Constantine is considered sexy, but not Adam Lambert? :thumbdown_tb:

dont get no adam in that list now i saw kris

Could be a list of people i want to sleep with by Kimberly C nm

Ewwwwww, Constantine is one creepy dude. Id rather sleep with the Pillsbury doughboy who I consider uber sexy.

Constantine’s sexy??? :wacko_tb:

Well ymmv I guess…..

just read somewhere that both Adam & Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s offical facebook pages seem to have been taken over by 19E with offical pictures up and everything (not been to check as no idea where they are!) Also the Zodiac Show official YouTube have taken down their videos of Adam. Looks like TPTB are gearing up for the post-Idol push.

Oh, and regarding all the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Kris will winà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  articles, canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t help but be amused by all the back-peddling press now hedging their bets so they can pat themselves on the back after Weds, whoever wins. I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t imagine thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been a huge voting swing in the last few days. Both have large hard-core fan bases who arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t going to change their minds now. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure the Danny to Kris vote is a strong as some think (I was back in the US last week and there were still a lot of Adam & Danny people that I spoke to – though admittedly this was LA so could have been biased!). I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll come down to casual voters and who does best on the night. Got to laugh at the journalists though. How the hell did they, along with the judges, not see Kris coming over Gokey when pretty much every single viewer did! Idiots!

The official Facebook pages have indeed been taken down

As for the “Kris will win” articles, the cynic in me finds an ulterior motive in this and it is nothing to do with being able to pat themselves on the back afterwards as I don’t believe it is of the media’s instigation.

There hasn’t been a huge shift in votes. The bookies have not changed their odds on Adam though, of course, with there only being two left now, Kris has taken over Danny’s previous odds of 2/1 (Adam 2/5). It remains to be seen how much the reportedly close margin was down to votes against poor Danny who was seen by many neutrals as being less deserving of the pimping than Adam because they didn’t feel that his performances had generally been that good. There were posts all around the net on Tuesday night from those determined to get Danny outm though they weren’t actually fans of Kris, saying things like “I am voting for Kris for two hours to get Danny out” or “until he overtakes Danny on Dialidol” and so on. It’s understandable that a lot of Danny fans feel aggrieved about this unnecessary action and see Kris as having taken Danny’s rightful place in the final, more so than Adam who was equally predicted to get there.

The decisions of the amount of Adam fans splitting votes with Kris or voting only for Kris to get him to the final with Adam will also play a part. The once in a season viewers may also have a great (and if that is the case, you have to go with the contestant who made the quickest impression) but to be fair, these casuals vote once or twice or have to be mightily impressed by a contestant on first viewing to sit there redialing for hours.

All in all, I think that 1million margin could prove to be a little misleading.

In defence of the reporters and judges, I can’t think of a reason why they should have foreseen that Kris would get to the final over Danny.

The official Facebook pages have indeed been taken down

Ooops!!! That should say “taken over”.

We Shall Overcome, Blowing in The Wind, Change is Gone Come, Mercy, Mercy Me? Of course music is supposed to push buttons. Evidently Marvin, Stevie, The Beatles and Dylan missed the memo. I guess ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just something to screw of shake your ass too, couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t possibly be content related, or make you think.

Love this!

Yes you can make serious political statements and still be able to shake your booty to it but music doesn’t have to be button pushing and can be still good and even groundbreaking. I loved U2 intially because of the Edge’s guitar sound not the lyrics, that appreciation came second

I mean let’s get back to the Beatles and their very early work where the lyrics were simplistic to say the least. I love you yeah yeah yeah. Even Marvin put out what some would consider drivel. Classic Motown hit factory stuff. .

And I believe the vast majority of all songs ever written are on the subject matter of love, and all its heartaches and ecstasies. Because people relate to music that moves them. Which is not always the same as music that challenges one. And different things move and/or challenge different people.

I thought Daughtry was the first artist to shake up the establishment that paved the way for someone like David Cook to win. When they allowed instruments, it started to change the game in my opinion, for the better.

Can we argue Taylor really shook them up but for different reasons.

Blake Lewis shook it up some more. Adam has created a potentially seismic shake up. Change is good. But the pimping still sucks especially when real talent doesn’t need it.

Hey dingo, as an Adam fan I think you might wanna leave those bunny slippers in the closet and get a pair of tiger ones. We used to talk a lot in Season Five. I’m a pirate and I’m 40. Let me know if you get it. LD

Ooh. I was warned not to come in here and I didn’t listen. Dang.

Is it true that Daughtry doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want Adam to win cuz itll take him out of the spotlight?hmmmmm

Yeah, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure Daughtryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just curled up into the fetal position in the corner, rocking himself back in forth, worrying about thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

WIN!

Is there a poll as to how many hundreds of thousands of albums will be sold in the first week of release of Adam’s album yet? lol

Okay, which fool spent $710 on ebay on a supposed lock of Adam Lambert’s hair??!! The mind boggles….

Michael Johns only number 7 among sexiest idols? Blasphemy! He should be Number One! :tongue1_tb:

Understand though, that the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Idol- As-(Cute)-Boys-Clubà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  factor affects both contestant selection and the audition pool. Idol producers know the overwhelming majority of their viewers and voters are women, and so they are going to be influenced to cast the season so as to make them happy.

Furthermore, talented women singers/ artists around the country may very well be dissuaded from even trying out after they watch what has been happening the last couple years. Such travesties as Carly Smitshon going out sixth in S7, Alison going out 4th this year, Alexis going out ELEVENTH, not to mention the exclusion of Felicia, Jessie, Kristin McNamara, and Mishovonna Henson may make them sit back and think à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“why even bother?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..

If this happens, then you might as well end the show. After a while it gets boring watching “cute boys” win every year. Mind you, I don’t mind cute boys, but this is supposedly a show trying to find the next singing superstar, not the next teen idol.

jj82, I agree with your entire post except your last paragraph.

I have to be honest and say that there are a lot of things that I would do to my ears before I inflict any more of Kris on them and as I see him as the weakest finalist in the history of any talent show I have seen, I cannot see him in any way as a worthy winner.

lmao Mandalay, I was thinkin’ if I got some black leather ones with sparkly crosses and devils eyes on them. maybe I could turn his ass on to say batman in leather chaps and black nail polish.

Adam…call me. I gotta bitchin’ secret decoder ring to DIE for.

Sexy list without Adam? Seriously? Sad.

Adam didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t say that he wants to make music people will hate. He wants to make music as true to an artistic vision and some people will love it, some people will hate it.

But this is what every artist says in one way or another.

I might think Nickelback is generic even onto themselves but I bet they think they are artists with a vision and they are meeting their vision and some people love it and some people hate it but enough people love it so that they make more than enough money to make a career out of their music. And that after all is what most artists want – to make enough money to make a career out of their music in the end.

Every artists has a true vision but you are always compromising with the suits and the lucky artists get enough success so they can do whatever they want no questions asked or they decide to forgo commercial success in favour of total artistic freedom.

I am sure even David Bowie has clashed with record executives throughout his career and he had his disco period which some Bowie fans thought was a sell out. But now he can do whatever he wants and he is able to sell enough records and do enough touring to keep him happy.

I hope that Adam and Kris are both able to be true to themselves as best they can in the 19 Entertainment context and are able to get as close to their artistic vision after this contest is over. But it won’t be that easy. It’s called SHOW BUSINESS.

But dingo, did you figure “me” out?

ok just saw that someone spent $710 on a lock of adam’s hair…..what the hell? lol and i thought i was a hardcore fan! LMAO!

Okay, which fool spent $710 on ebay on a supposed lock of Adam Lambertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hair??!!

Guilty! But the shipping was free. I’m trying to collect enough to knit a sweater.

Sexy list without Adam? Seriously? Sad.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Ju-Ju!

I can see the bumper sticker or teeshirt now!

I see all of this giving credit to a couple of guys for cool arrangements. It’s not as though it can be traced to Cook or even Blake Lewis. I recall Bo Bice doing a seriously cool reworking of For The Love of Money…..season 4. And it wasn’t his only time that season spinning something.

figure you out? your lucky I can figure out how to work my microwave. Are you someone who turned me on to A Pirate turns 40?

Guilty! But the shipping was free. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m trying to collect enough to knit a sweater.

:lol_tb: .. now that would be money well spent

From Day One I liked Adam and Allison. Then again, I confess I also liked Lil Rounds and Danny, both of whom later plum wore me out (but in the order they left the show). I have come ’round on Kris, and I really like his “gentle musings.”

That said, who should be the Idol? The very word ‘Idol”, much less the phrase “American Idol,” implies BIG, something larger than life, no? Surely the idea is to select someone whose persona is iconic. To me, that was, is and shall remain, for this season, Adam.

Don’t most of us do the “eyes closed” test? Does the singer sound like a hopeless wannabe? Like a diamond in the rough? In Adam’s case I always heard an “already star.” I could easily have imagined that voice having been invited to sing during a Super Bowl half-time. These aren’t artistic measurements I’m making. More like a test of luminosity, the brightness of a star.

I do not vote based on cuteness…period.

I vote for the person whose music I enjoy hearing and will purchase. Adam is a well-trained singer, and I would gladly listen to his renditions of some Broadway hits, were they to be released, but not what he has performed on AI, with the exception of Feeling Good (which, by the way, was NOT his arrangement, but one done by Muse, which is why I like it!). Therefore, I am voting for Kris, and I am not a tween.

Sexy list without Adam? Seriously? Sad.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Goes without saying, and, is evident from the list. But of top 25, seriously we can’t pick one on the list that we could trade for Adam? LOL

Beauty = Sexy?????? Not!!!!!!

I know ymmv, but a sexy list without Adam on it is totally incomplete. I would trade Daughtry. I think Cook should be higher than Daughtry at least. Ace and Michael should be fighting for the top male slot.

“Adam’s juju…”

I better get the copyrights on that and NOW before it goes viral.

Actually, nm.
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ consider it freeware. Woo hoo! Go ADAM!!!

Guilty! But the shipping was free. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m trying to collect enough to knit a sweater.

Oh well, that’s okay then. Would hate for them to have ripped you off on the shipping. :wink1_tb:

Surely William Hung & ‘This is My Brother’ guy from last year should be on that list?

Anyway, it’s been fun peeps but I’m off. Too late here and have to get up at 4.30 to go to a shoot. Bleurgh. Wonder if I could just ship my camera to them and ask them to take pictures of themselves??! Enjoy your juju!

OMG, Daughtry’s on the effing list? Well then shit, if there’s a female list just add my name. i should make it in a walk.

are you kidding me.

I am surprised they didn’t put Normal Gentle on that-them-there list.
Now THERE’S a looker.

Heyyyyyy, now watch it mister. I’ll have you know that I was over the moon for Norman. I was even GAGA over him. Glares at you, dont mess with my Norman.

thedingoateyobaby May 17th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

Heyyyyyy, now watch it mister. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll have you know that I was over the moon for Norman. I was even GAGA over him. Glares at you, dont mess with my Norman.

uh…mmmmm hmmmmm. This wasn’t an “inner” beauty list, was it? :wink1_tb:

Smacks you….hard. I find him sexy in an understated way lolol.

I reread the sexy list again. Chris Richardson? Shoot, Danny Noriega was sexier and well, you know……

25- Antonella Barba and Bikini Girl

Is it buy one, get one free at number 25? … surely they could pick one or the other.

I am surprised they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t put Normal Gentle on that-them-there list.
Now THEREà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢S a looker.

Heyyyyyy, now watch it mister. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll have you know that I was over the moon for Norman. I was even GAGA over him. Glares at you, dont mess with my Norman.

uhà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦mmmmm hmmmmm. This wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t an à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“innerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  beauty list, was it?

Smacks youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.hard. I find him sexy in an understated way lolol.

:lol_tb:

Everyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music has been done before. Adam will not produce some groundbreaking, never before heard music. Musical tastes change and people like what they like. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s as simple as that.

Can’t agree with this.

1. “Everyone’s music has NOT been done before.”

What about Les Paul: he invented the hard body electric guitar, multi-track recording), echo-delay, reverb, phase-shifting, and close mic-ing. There is no modern recorded music without Les Paul.

Other innovators, IMO, include George Gershwin, Cole Porter, Frank Sinatra, Glenn Miller, Hank Williams, Bill Monroe, Robert Johnson, Duke Ellington, Muddy Waters, Elvis, Little Richard, Buddy Holly, Bob Dylan, The Beattles, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppalin, Miles Davis, Pink Floyd, Sex Pistols, Run DMC, and Nirvanna.

I’m sure there are quite a number of other performers who broke new ground, and this list is very English-language focused because that’s what I know.

2. Adam MIGHT produce some groundbreaking, never before heard music.

I don’t have a crystal ball so I have know idea what Adam will do, but he will be give the opportunity to make groundbreaking music and I have seen some sparks that make me think he might be capable of it. “Ring of Fire”, for example, if not like anything I’ve ever seen or heard. And trust me, I have watched quite a few RoF covers trying to figure out if it was original. Smokey Robinson told Adam in the pre-performnace interview on AI that he’s “never heard anyone sing it tender and soft like that”. Gary Jules about Adam Lambert after the MW performance: à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“It was fantastic. He has a beautiful voice. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I heard his Michael Jackson cover and I heard some of his other stuff, and I think that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s probably one of the most à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  if not the most à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  interesting performer Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve ever seen on `American Idol.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Legendary singer-songwriter Neil Sedaka, thinks Adam can take it all the way: “Adam is like a young Elvis, isn’t he?”

I could go on, but this is not an Adam fan site. My point is, we don’t know what he is capable of, but a lot of people who know something about music think that he is something special.

There hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t been a huge shift in votes. The bookies have not changed their odds on Adam though, of course, with there only being two left now, Kris has taken over Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s previous odds of 2/1 (Adam 2/5). It remains to be seen how much the reportedly close margin was down to votes against poor Danny who was seen by many neutrals as being less deserving of the pimping than Adam because they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t feel that his performances had generally been that good. There were posts all around the net on Tuesday night from those determined to get Danny outm though they werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t actually fans of Kris, saying things like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I am voting for Kris for two hours to get Danny outà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“until he overtakes Danny on Dialidolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and so on. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s understandable that a lot of Danny fans feel aggrieved about this unnecessary action and see Kris as having taken Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s rightful place in the final, more so than Adam who was equally predicted to get there.

You think it’s more likely that people were voting AGAINST Danny than a scenario in which Danny fans would vote AGAINST Adam in the finale? What makes you believe that Danny fans won’t rally around Kris? After all, Adam is not only a polarizing contestant, but he was Danny’s bitter rival and Kris was a neutral contestant.

noctem seizure — major coffee spit

You know what this article highlights for me?

I love both these kids. I love that they can so dig and support each other.

Also, the culture war tactic, if tactic it was, didn’t work.

People of all types voted for Lambert–the most out there, fab and proud contestant evah– in huge numbers, bringing his to the final two having only once ever been at risk. He clearly will lead the final iTunes sales.

Now Adam’s in the finale with his bud, the guy who–along with Allison–joined Adam in championing fresh, excellent, contemporary takes and *finally* defeated the cursed inheritance of Don’t Let the Sun Go Down on Me tired oldies.

Like his style or not, Kris Allen is there strictly on music and personality. He straight out kept his good works a separate matter from the show. That sidebar could have been his schtick on the show. “He helps orphans, he gave away his guitar!” could have joined “she lost her house to a tornado!,” “Oil rig guy is trying to better his family!” and made him one of those contestants better known for a moving spoonful of story then for his songs. But he didn’t go that way, and it’s great.

Adam and Kris complement each other. As a wonderfully entertainer and adventurer on the show, Adam deserves to be in a finale with another singer who’s there because of their performances, not in a referendum on culture. Kris deserves to be there as the kid who was the best craftsman and underdog, the one who upped his game the most, made great choices, always came out swinging and was the spokesperson for subtle and heartfelt.

Honestly? The *most* likely outcome is that Adam will win, and Kris will come second, an order which will leave their fans perfectly happy, and that everyone will explode in a confettigasm of This Is All So Great.

It’s almost like fans are rushing to get some last angst in there now, before we have another big happy ending.

I think Kradam both have deals with 19E know.Dont they have stuff on there facebook? None of the others have that/

This whole industry is about looks first, talent second. So if Adam is INDEED the whole package, then he should be on this list as well.

I guess my goth sex-titan glam kyd Lambert is fugly.

Who made this list, the League of Catholic Nuns?

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not a fan of Brittany spears,Ladt Gaga,Katy Perry or that kind of music.It may be just me.Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sick of that kind of music.Its been over-played.I feel like its always the same with dance music.

Artist like John Mayer,augusta,fray,Mat Kearney,kelly clarkson,Chris Daughty,Kate voegele always catch my attention.Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure America competely disagrees with me.

Well, I do.

“Adam is like a young Elvis, isn’t he?”
Indeed!
Controversial from day one! The judges going on about too theatrical, oh my. Look where we are today.
And, like Elvis, Adam can sing his heart out and strut and swivel with the best of ‘em.

How is Constantine ahead of Ace and Kris on this sexiest list? The bigger question is…how is he on it AT ALL? Gross.

rumors concerning Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gender.

There are rumors concerning Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gender? Last time I looked, he was male.

Wait until he’s a little older and he will get the Clay treatment. JMO.

If America choses a “safe” finalist as the next American Idol, it will bring a wrong message to future AI contestants. Why should I try to be bold and exciting when I can get the title by playing it safe. AI would no longer be about finding a star and it will lose its value. Although I will give credit to AI because it became a vehicle for some contestants to build their career.

25- Antonella Barba and Bikini Girl

Is it buy one, get one free at number 25? à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ surely they could pick one or the other.

I don’t think it would take much effort to get both of them for free.

I think Kris and Adam should of been 1 and 2 on that list in no order just the first two.I do think that Kris is better looking though.I can see why Kris is on it but Adam should be on the list.His looks are more beautiful than constantine.

Yeah, maturin! You said it so well….. :wink_ee: (an agreeing winkee, not a sarcastic one…)

American Idol is like death and taxes it always comes around.

People say they will never watch evah again every single year. At yet people tune in again next year and the next. If nothing else to see if they get it right this year.

But Groundbreakers are few and far between, they are the rare ones in the overall context of music . I am sure there is debate over who merits inclusion in that list and sometimes the groundbreaking comes out of a fluke, it wasn’t something preplanned, it was more organic as artistic types like to say.

And even groundbreakers fuse influences of the past to come up with something new. For example, Elvis and Buddy Holly and even Johnny Cash in the early days did music I would called rockabilly [I still love it - eg Stray Cats] which was a fusion of previous musical styles and rockabilly was the precursor to rock n roll which then evolved with the British influence, because the British kids were listening to Elvis, Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry and putting their own spin on it.

But sure even American Idols could be ground breakers, but not likely on that debut album. Just saying. That would be too risky.

Wow – no Sanjaya on the list? He should be, given all the other WTH picks on there.

Jimmy Kimmel is sooooo right. The cutest boy always wins.

Who said Kris is the cutest boy?? Adam is downright sexy!! lol

I second the nomination of maturin as the voice of reason

Sexy list: they randomly threw some darts at names on a paper, leaving out the winner of Season 8 so as not to give anything away

This whole industry is about looks first, talent second. So if Adam is INDEED the whole package, then he should be on this list as well.

I’ve seen Adam on lists that Kris hasn’t been. Looks are subjective. It really isn’t that big of a deal.

If America choses a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“safeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  finalist as the next American Idol, it will bring a wrong message to future AI contestants. Why should I try to be bold and exciting when I can get the title by playing it safe. AI would no longer be about finding a star and it will lose its value. Although I will give credit to AI because it became a vehicle for some contestants to build their career.

So the only way to be bold and exciting is to imitate Adam?

The minute I saw this: 8- Justin Guarini

I knew someone musta been smoking something.
Daughtry sexier than David Cook? ROFLMAO, in his dreams, his wildest dreams. His music is ok, but on Idol itself he always reminded me of a serial killer, dude never smiled. Oh wait, must be the big neon “Daughtry” in 4ft letters tattoo’d on his back. Yeah, that’s it. “rolls her eyes”

Constantine made the list? As what, the greasiest slimeball?

Looks like Kim & Justin made the list to me.

No, the only way to be an American idol is to play it safe.

Oh god! There both not safe and will be big names.Feel free to tell me that Falling Slowly,Heartless and She Works For The Money were safe choices.

Jimmy Kimmel is sooooo right. The cutest boy always wins.

Well they gave Kimmel a talk show so not always.

Yep dingo, that would be me. Ya know, since you have that bat cave, perhaps some bat slippers wearing the Adam Lambert cape would do.

On topic, I’m kind of hoping there will be a Normund/Tatiana duet on the finale. They had that goofy guy and Clay a few years back.

Have you been to Normund’s site?

http://www.normundy.com/

Feel free to tell me that Falling Slowly,Heartless and She Works For The Money were safe choices.

Honestly, Heartless really wasn’t that great to me. It was good… but overpraised. Kris did what he always does. He stood there with his guitar and sang a song…… A cover of a song that has already been done. Where Kris was smart was picking an extremely popular current song. As far as performance though it was the same o same o. Sorry, that’s my opinion.

Now, I will give you She Works Hard for the Money. That was good and creative. I still wouldn’t call it “risky” though.

Some great discussions going on here!

If America choses a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“safeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  finalist as the next American Idol, it will bring a wrong message to future AI contestants. Why should I try to be bold and exciting when I can get the title by playing it safe. AI would no longer be about finding a star and it will lose its value. Although I will give credit to AI because it became a vehicle for some contestants to build their career.

Some points I have to agree with: Yes, previous idols really pave the way for future Idols. Cook is a great example – he really revamped the idea of taking a song, making the arrangements and then showing it off. Adam too said that Cook definitely did start something new on Idol.

I don’t fully agree with the “lose its value” if Kris wins. Kris is one kind of star and Adam is another, on very different spectra. That said I do think that Kris is the safer artist of the 2. Kris has definitely taken more risks than Danny I would say, but not as much as Adam. Nothing against Kris because that’s not who he is – Adam is someone who pushes the limits and always glow under the spotlight of controversy. I’ve never expected someone so radical and interesting to be on American Idol. If he wins – maybe that would just say that America is ready to take on another direction.

So the only way to be bold and exciting is to imitate Adam?

And I think you are taking the OP’s comments to the extreme. I don’t think she ever said that except that Adam is bold and exciting.

And great post jj82. I do love reading your insights.

Did you see this one MJ?

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/05/17/2009-05-17_side_dish_american_idols_adam_lambert_goes_to_outback_with_his_boyfriend.html

Exciting news!

I hope the gossip is true.

Just skimmed the thread and have a couple of comments

Taylor Hicks should be higher than #24 on the sexiest idols list.

I think the most deserving top two would have been Allison and Adam.
I really think though that Kris may well win.

No, the only way to be an American idol is to play it safe.

Didn’t notice David Cook playing it safe.

Looks like Kim & Justin made the list to me.

You got that right Lisa and after several shots of tequila too, methinks.

Man, I picked the wrong week to be away from my computer. This was an epic 7 days of posting I missed. Wow.

Not that anybody cares what I think at this point, but I believe either one of them would make a fine winner. Besides the fact that they have both delivered musically IMO, they would each be “firsts” in their own way. Adam obviously as the first gay idol, and Kris as the first non-big voiced, not to mention married, idol. I think they’ve both already changed the game a bit. I cant wait to see what types of singers will audition next year after being inspired by seeing these two make it so far.

So yeah, I’m pretty happy either way.

I tend to view these lists as silly and inconsequential; however, should Adam ever want to make such a list, he’d first need to lose 10-20 pounds and perhaps have a little laser work done on the acne scars.

American “homophobia” will and should fail as an excuse should Adam lose. This is a fair contest, and the victor will be a rightful one. We all know that Adam has walked a fine line between between coyness, evasiveness and silence on the issue of his sexual orientation. He has yet to officially come “out” to America; he’s never even addressed the subject head-on or in plain terms. As is his right!

However, one can’t have it both ways. Surely the act of martyrdom requires one to have actually espoused a natural affinity for, an adherence to, or an abiding belief in some underlying cause?

My distaste for Adam isn’t because of unfamiliarity. Granted, it’s probably due to TOO much familiarity. I’ve been forced listen to too many OTT rockers, Adam doesn’t add anything different to that plate for me, and even if he did, he’d still be too much like those loud rockers that I’ve hated for so long.

I do know there’s a lot of singer-songwriters like Kris, too, but I appreciate them a hell of a lot more than Adam-like people. A lot of music I hear today is too extravagant/trying to make a statement for itself. I prefer the simple type.

As it says, its a gossip….what do you call your friend who happens to be a girl but girlfriend. And who’s the source – a spy. And if it’s true, what’s your point?

virgo, I prefer the artists that just stand there with their instrument and sing their heart out. What I love about Kris is that he makes that connection with what he’s singing and as a result makes that connection with the audience.

That being said, I think Adam is uber talented – the most talented Idol has ever had.

I will be happy no matter which guy wins. I think they’ve both shown their talent, will both get a recording contract, and will both be enjoyed by their fans. Since I’m a fan of both, it’s a win/win for me.

Oh and Daughtry sexy? They’ve got to be kidding, right? I remember at the beginning of his season when he talked about having hair – long hair I think. Maybe with hair? Nah, nothing’s gonna make him sexy. The guyliner has always looked ridiculous on this guy. Whatever his sexual preferences are, Adam has set the bar for sexy guyliner.

I think the most deserving top two would have been Allison and Adam.
I really think though that Kris may well win.

I agree on both points..An Adam/Allison finale would have been badassssssss good!

And yeah, the other dude will probably win…….starchy whitebread is staple :mrgreen_wp:

Exciting news!

I hope the gossip is true.

Why is it exciting? he shouldnt be hurting kris’s feelings like that

Adam has uber sexy guy-liner.David Cook’s is a close second.

Well I hate to say this but what Adam does is not groundbreaking for the theatre community – that’s business as usual isn’t it?

I saw the Queen musical “We Will Rock You” last summer.

Just feel like throwing in my two cents! I think the list is lame but as a Daughtry fan I’m totally happy Chris has the highest male spot To me he is by far the sexiest idol ever, but I realize that’s not a popular opinion in these parts. I don’t think Adam is sexy at all, not even a little but with that being said he probably could’ve replaced quite a few on that list!! But it’s not a travesty without him and it is just a stupid list that less than 1% of the population will ever see or hear about.

I read while I was skimming some comments on Chris “endorsing” Kris……well he’s been saying through most of the finals that he likes him and his wife Deanna is also a big fan, they liked Allison too. Joey Barnes, the drummer for Daughtry is pulling for Adam though so both contestants are getting endorsed to the fanbase!! Chris also had some great things to say about David Cook last year so I highly doubt he’s not “endorsing” Adam because he’s “worried” as someone stated earlier…..I think if that was the case, DC would be more of a competition based on genre. He has also said that Kris and his wife remind him a lot of himself and Deanna while he was on the show. For the record I was pulling for Kris long before Chris ever mentioned him.

Geez already, Kris is like 5′ 3″ maybe. Not my type.

If you haven’t already, you should check out Google Trends. Link

Adam is ahead everywhere except for Arkansas. Adam is also more popular in non-US countries, particularly England, and throughout Asia. It will be interesting to see Adam’s album and how it does. He really could be the first international Idol if the recording company and him play their cards right.

Finally, I must add my 2 cents in this debate that you don’t have to win AI. That is bogus. If these contestants didn’t need the show they never would have auditioned. Of course they need to win, and they want to win!! Its a competition!! They should want to win, and of course they will be disappointed if they lose. You don’t get this far in anything to just lose or give it up on purpose.

Annop and Megan? yeah right!

Finally, I must add my 2 cents in this debate that you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have to win AI. That is bogus. If these contestants didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need the show they never would have auditioned. Of course they need to win, and they want to win!! Its a competition!!

I agree, and Adam should win it, he makes no bones about it and has had a good season

He really could be the first international Idol if the recording company and him play their cards right.

I’m pretty sure Kelly Clarkson nabbed that “first” international thing years ago!! Plus there I know there are quite a few that have charted decently around the world, Daughtry has sold well as has Elliott…. plus David Cook is in the early stages of his CD release as far as international airplay, there’s still lots of time for him to take off around the globe.

Well… Didn’t David Cook say too that he likes Kris? I guess Cook is jellus of Adam too! What about Kelly Clarkson fangirly-ing over Allison?! ZOMGZZZ Kelly’s skurred!!! Jordin loved Danny, I guess she’s shaking with fear over Adam too! OMG!!! They’re all skurred of Adam! *FEAR*

As it says, its a gossipà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.what do you call your friend who happens to be a girl but girlfriend. And whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the source – a spy. And if ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s true, whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s your point?

Well, I happen to be gay and I hope we have a gay idol.

The point is, it’s good news…especially if he was out to his fellow idols.

Of course they should want to win and I am sure both Adam and Kris want to win. I am pretty sure David Archuleta wanted to win as badly as David Cook. Too bad Simon played it so wrong or did he want to Cook to win. Who knows how that devious mind works.

To state the trite, the end result is not in their hands of course after they perform on Tuesday night.

The bottomline is and all I think we’ve been saying is 19 Entertainment wins regardless of who wins at this point. Can’t necessarily say that every year.

Oh and Kelly Clarkson is already the first international AI recording artist. She sells big all over the world and has been for some time. I see jj123 beat me to it. Given the reception Cook & Archie are getting in Manila right now, they’ll be next.

I think Chris Daughtry is way, way better looking than David Cook, but Adam >>> Daughtry> Cook

Wellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t David Cook say too that he likes Kris? I guess Cook is jellus of Adam too! What about KellyClarkson fangirly-ing over Allison?! ZOMGZZZ Kellyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s skurred!!! Jordin loved Danny, I guess sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s shaking with fear over Adam too! OMG!!! Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re all skurred of Adam! *FEAR*

Noctem covered it better..its been done

Did you see this one MJ?

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/05/17/2009-05-17_side_dish_american_idols_adam_lambert_goes_to_outback_with_his_boyfriend.html

Exciting news!

I hope the gossip is true

Perhaps it takes a lot to get me excited .. but I see nothing there that get’s me jumping up and down.

As Adam’s a very attractive and charismatic guy it wouldn’t surprise me if he wasn’t single, and as for Anoop and Megan being an item … that doesn’t really excite me either …lol

Plus who knows what’s gossip and what’s truth.

As it says, its a gossipà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.what do you call your friend who happens to be a girl but girlfriend. And whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the source – a spy. And if ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s true, whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s your point?

The point, to me, is that Adam is out and proud. It’s fantastic that he treats his sexuality as no ones business, not because he’s afraid someone will find out, but because it isn’t anyone’s business.

Here’s hoping that Adam’s boyfriend (if indeed there is one) is sitting right next to his mom and dad Tuesday/Wednesday night.

American à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“homophobiaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  will and should fail as an excuse should Adam lose. This is a fair contest, and the victor will be a rightful one. We all know that Adam has walked a fine line between between coyness, evasiveness and silence on the issue of his sexual orientation. He has yet to officially come à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“outà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to America; heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s never even addressed the subject head-on or in plain terms.

Whether or not he has addressed the issue on the show does not stop people from speculating and assuming and finding one way or another with what they see, hear, or read to rationalize and justify their assumptions no matter which side of the issue they stand on.

IMO, you absolutely cannot count out the “anyone but” vote. Because like it or not, his sexuality plays a large part in why some people don’t like him. If he doesn’t win, it will be a point that’s brought up whether people like it or not. And I think it’s a valid argument. If I didn’t hear “Kris better beat Adam GAYbert!!” from people, I wouldn’t be saying this. But I’ve heard it, read it, whatever from more than one person. It’s a factor.

Of course they want to win but they really don’t “need” to win…..I won’t even throw in the obvious but just look at Season 5 as a whole, lots of examples there as to why you don’t need to win. There’s still quite a few releases coming from Season 7′s bunch too. Honestly I think Adam has already put himself in the position where it doesn’t even matter at this point….he’ll sell records regardless of the outcome of the finale. He has gotten more buzz than any contestant in recent history and the media loves him. This is coming from someone who actually doesn’t like him at all!! I personally find his performances too rehearsed and perfect….they leave me cold. I like watching someone up there getting lost in the moment and feeling what they’re singing, I don’t get that from him….I get a production and that has been practiced over and over and over til every note and hand gesture is perfected. I actually laughed at the “headbanging” during Born To Be Wild…that was so ridiculous!! Most people I know that watch the show found it funny as well as stupid too!! So yeah, he’s not for me but he’s loved by many so he’s going to be around, not doubting that!!

Lol – Anoop and Megan

Winning is not overrated. I forgot the exact quote of Simon’s but I believe it was “winning is important” and it is. At this point, I am thrilled that it was Adam and Kris and not another pair as I feel that they both deserve the win in the end. Allison too actually. But winning the actual title means so much more than getting a contract because both of them will have contracts at this point.

Well, I happen to be gay and I hope we have a gay idol.

Whatttt? Adam Lambert’s gay????????????????Noooooooooooooo! :jittery_tb:

OMG! That NY Daily News gossip column suggested that Megan and Anoop are an item! yikes!

OK, maybe she’ll get a tatoo of the Tar Heels, and he’ll start doing flapping movements and cawing?

Because like it or not, his sexuality plays a large part in why some people donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like him.

Substitute religion for sexuality and this quote would apply to Danny Gokey.

Anoop and Megan an item?

I haven’t been to Outback Steakhouse in a while, do they serve alcohol there? If so, that’s why you heard about Adam’s boyfriend and the Anoop/Megan “hook up”: THEY WERE DRUNK, PEOPLE!

You think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s more likely that people were voting AGAINST Danny than a scenario in which Danny fans would vote AGAINST Adam in the finale? What makes you believe that Danny fans wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t rally around Kris? After all, Adam is not only a polarizing contestant, but he was Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s bitter rival and Kris was a neutral contestant.

First of all, because danny is not around anymore, so why bother? MANY of danny’s fans wont vote at all. And second, because many feel that kris has a weaker voice and stole danny’s place at the finale. Adam was already expected to be there. Some will even vote for adam,because they prefer big voices…

Alexis going out ELEVENTH…

I still can’t believe that happened…she was one of my faves from the start. Saw her perform on “Ellen” after she was booted and she was amazing.
I’m still scratching my head.

Nedsdag, are you implying that Anoop & Megan Joy had to smashed to get together? LOL

And I’ve never been to an Outback, but maybe all that beef brings out the “beast” in everyone!

Oy, what a tour this is going to be. Par-tay! Other fun couples might include…..

IMO, you absolutely cannot count out the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“anyone butà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  vote. Because like it or not, his sexuality plays a large part in why some people donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like him. If he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win, it will be a point thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s brought up whether people like it or not. And I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a valid argument.

And its an argument that will will be made, and be discussed in the media, in such a way that it will eclipse Allen’s win to the second story..because it is undeniably a factor in the finale, the “Anyone but” vote……especially if Allen doesnt pull another Heartless, and reverts to his bland renditions that sum up his season, and still wins

And Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve never been to an Outback, but maybe all that beef brings out the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“beastà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in everyone!

lol .. being from the UK I haven’t heard of “Outback” .. I’m pleased they added the word “Steakhouse” or I would have thought it was some sort of dating agency .

THEY WERE DRUNK, PEOPLE!

:lol_tb:

Other fun couples might includeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..

Adam and Danny?

Winning isnt everything.Simon of all people should look at Daughty and even David Archuleta and then comment again.I thought Simon told Daughty that he showed that AI isnt everything then gave him a hug? Even Kelly Prickler,Clay Aiken are fine examples.

and I expect Adam will easily surpass any success Daughtryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s had to date.

So, I guess he’s going to make a Taylor Swift-soundalike album, then? Because she’s about the only artist out there with a current album release that is doing comparably well to the performance of Daughtry’s debut.

Honestly, I have to admit, the things I read from some Adam fans kind of make me hope he massively belly-flops. But, I understand that he is not responsible for the madness.

What I do hope is he is moderately successful, with a gold selling album– maybe 750K or so. And then this result, in turn, sets off a chain of events:

1. Simon Cowell realizes that no matter how hard he pimps a contestant, Idol’s days as a star factory are over and so he leaves the show after next season.

2. Idol tries to find a replacement judge with suitable moxie to replace Simon, but the absence is glaring. Idol’s audience is cut in half the first year Simon is gone.

3. Idol struggles on for a few more seasons because they are locked in to a contract with Fox for a guaranteed number of years. By its final season, Idol is being beaten in the ratings by reruns of the Iron Chef.

Now you might be asking yourself why, if I long for the show’s demise, do I watch– and post– about it? Well, did you ever start watching a show that was good at first but suddenly started to suck, but yet out of some twisted sense of obliged loyalty you kept watching anyway just to see how it would end? But, all the way you prayed for the day that the albatross would once and for all be removed from your DVR recording schedule?

You know kind of like The O.C. or Dawson’s Creek? (Shut up– the chicks were hot!)….

And the the other reason I continue to watch (and bulloviate online) is because the show and ESPECIALLY its fandom(s) fascinate me sociologically and psychologically. I mean what is it about this program that causes presumably otherwise normal individuals to lose their damn minds?!

Awwww Adam has himself a boyfriend :wub_tb: Could this also be the same “close male friend” Perez talked about. Lucky dude. Why cant I grow a penis?

First of all, because danny is not around anymore, so why botter? MANY of dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans wont vote at all. And second, because many feel that kris has a weaker voice and stole dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s place at the finale. Adam was already expected to be there. Some will even vote for adam,because they prefer big voicesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Many of Danny’s fans ARE voting for Kris, because they prefer his style of singing over a screamer. I doubt many will vote for Adam, because they just don’t like him. They don’t feel that Kris “stole” Danny’s place, but they do feel that Allison’s fans voted for Kris so Danny wouldn’t be in the Finale because Danny stayed while Allison was eliminated.

I been thinking and as a Kris Fan i dont want him to win.Let Adam win and create a album like any other lady-gaga,Katy Perry,Amy Winehouse,brittany spears type of record and let america see how far he goes.Then let Kris come in second and have him have the best career next to Daughty and sell out arenas,concerts and be on top so Simon can have the last laugh and so can everyone else.

Anoop and Megan?!

Actually, David Cook said earlier in the competition that his favorites are Kris AND Adam.

I mean what is it about this program that causes presumably otherwise normal individuals to lose their damn minds?

:mrgreen_wp: I have asked myself the same question over and over again, and I still have no idea!

I long for AI’s demise also, because its done its course, and it may be time for something new, and more authentic. And love or Hate Cowell, i think he is very much a part of the fabric of the show..once they lose any of the original cast (Cowell, Seacrest,Jackson and Abdul), they should just close shop and end on a high (or low, depending on one’s view of this season)

Well, did you ever start watching a show that was good at first but suddenly started to suck, but yet out of some twisted sense of obliged loyalty you kept watching anyway just to see how it would end? But, all the way you prayed for the day that the albatross would once and for all be removed from your DVR recording schedule?

One word: ALIAS. (giant red ball, anyone?)

I agree that the fandom phenomenon (to which I have contributed my fare share of nuttiness) is fascinating.

Many of Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans ARE voting for Kris, because they prefer his style of singing over a screamer. I doubt many will vote for Adam, because they just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like him.

Maybe, maybe not, but i doubt it.A vote for Kris would more likely be vote against Adam, it would probably have nothing to do with Kris Allen’s style of singing, IMO.Its been voiced in Gokeyland often enough, so it’s not that they are hiding the fact that that’s the thought process for voting in the finale

Having said that, I still dont imagine that people out there will dedicate hours to vote for someone, because they dont like the other, when their own horse in the race has left….So I hope I’m wrong and that it will come down to the performances of the night, of which i hope Adam has the upper hand

lavender1960 this comment just doesn’t make sense to me:

And even groundbreakers fuse influences of the past to come up with something new. For example, Elvis and Buddy Holly and even Johnny Cash in the early days did music I would called rockabilly [I still love it - eg Stray Cats] which was a fusion of previous musical styles and rockabilly was the precursor to rock n roll which then evolved with the British influence, because the British kids were listening to Elvis, Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry and putting their own spin on it.

Sure groundbreakers fuse influences, but there are also independent innovators. Hendrix came out of nowhere. And “Rockabilly”, a derrogatory label put on an early form of Rock & Roll that fused western swing, boogie woogie, and rhythm and blues, incorporated the new recording techniques invested by Les Paul.

Elvis and Johnny Cash both started out wanting to record gospel music but Sam Phillips at Sun Records had them record some “country and western” music which was very popular in South in the 1950′s.

The legendary Southern Gospel singer, Jake Hess, was Presley’s favorite singer and he said the greatest influence on his singing style. Elvis mostly recorded rock & roll, country, gospel, blues, ballads and pop. I believe that if Elvis was an Idol contestant, people would say, “I just don’t know what kind of ablum he would make.” Sound familar? And, by the way, Elvis is the best selling recording artist or group of all time (1.8 billion records).

Buddy Holly primarily wrote and performed Rock & Roll.

Finally, the Stray Cats who were produced by my good friend, Dave Edmonds, the 1980′s British recording artist who founded the band Rockpile, used the term “rockabilly” to describe updated versions of a wide range of rock roots music. Here’s a Rockpile video that is a great example of updated “roots rock” which was a key part of the 1980′s new wave movement — AKA “disco eradication”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgjRJ72d_FY&feature=related

No, winning isn’t everything, but winning is the best. The winners generally have more success than the non-winners. And you know why Daughtry is successful? Because everyone thought he would win and everyone (I mean the producers) wanted him to win, so he got signed with 19M and RCA– the same exact management had he won.

The runner up doesn’t get any more freedom (by means of his post idol album) than the winner.

I want AI to continue forever… xD

Here are my predictions for Wednesday night:

1) a male will win.
2) A male with hair will win.
3) A male who can sing will win.
4) If Kris wins – Adam’s fans will scream – HE WAS ROBBED!
5) If Adam wins – Kris’s fans will scream – HE WAS ROBBED!
6) Both fan bases will vow to never watch AI again. (until next season that is)
7) The show is fixed! Simon will say, regardless of who wins, that he knew all along that ____ would win.
9) Both will get recording contracts.
10) Both will get a brand new Ford.
11) Both will go on tour with the other 8 contestants.

Not sure if I missed anything, but, this list is about the same every year.

Good luck to both!

I agree that the fandom phenomenon (to which I have contributed my fare share of nuttiness) is fascinating.

I could have typed this exact same sentence. LOL. This is fascinating to watch since I don’t really have a dog in the race this year. I’m not throwing rocks though. Its fun to root for an idol. Just don’t get all crazy about it.

That said, the crazy sure is entertaining!

One word: ALIAS. (giant red ball, anyone?)

LMAO, I know, right?!

I long to say good-bye to AI and this is only my second season. But, I don’t wish to watch AI’s demise piggybacked on a minimal success by my favorite this Season. That would be sad, and unnecessary imo. AI could bow out while on top, after this year’s top 2 succeed beyond expectations. Why not? Oh yeah, the almighty $$$$.

Well it was fun thinking about it… Guess AI’s not going anywhere this year, since Simon has another year and Adam and Kris both will defy all odds against them!

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it~

http://gossipcandy.com/2009/05/adams-tour-photo/#comments

adam’s tour photo!! now who wants to follow adam when he is on stage at the tour???…sorry kris but it would be a huge letdown because the crescendo needs to be at the end lol

I’d rather personally listen to Kris while fine dining.

Also, here’s the main reason I believe Kris could win. While Danny and Adam were being pimped to the nth degree all season long, Kris snuck up and made it into the top 2 in spite of judging remarks that I disagreed with. Kris has gotten where he is with basically no pimping. It seems this quiet storm (tm Ricky Minor) has been just that.

Here are my predictions for Wednesday night:

1) a male will win.
2) A male with hair will win.
3) A male who can sing will win.
4) If Kris wins – Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans will scream – HE WAS ROBBED!
5) If Adam wins – Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans will scream – HE WAS ROBBED!
6) Both fan bases will vow to never watch AI again. (until next season that is)
7) The show is fixed! Simon will say, regardless of who wins, that he knew all along that ____ would win.
9) Both will get recording contracts.
10) Both will get a brand new Ford.
11) Both will go on tour with the other 8 contestants.

Not sure if I missed anything, but, this list is about the same every year.

Good luck to both!

Pshhh, I would never vow to never watch AI again. And last year Simon said he thought Archuleta would win.

‘Winning is not overrated. I forgot the exact quote of Simonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s but I believe it was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“winning is importantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and it is.”

Winning guarantees nothing except temorary hype that starts fading at about the same time the subsequent season climaxes. It’s possible to win and fail and to lose and succeed. But the show operates on a totally different premise–that winning is a very big deal so keep watching to find out who gets the brass ring.

New idolatries are up for those interested.

Many of Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans ARE voting for Kris, because they prefer his style of singing over a screamer. I doubt many will vote for Adam, because they just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like him. They donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t feel that Kris à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“stoleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s place, but they do feel that Allisonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans voted for Kris so Danny wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be in the Finale because Danny stayed while Allison was eliminated.

I know a part of them will vote for kris (the ones that like the style), but not all (the ones that like big voices, for example), at least not exactly anti-adam. Just look at danny’s forums… I said ” many” , not all. In fact, it was a kind of a compliment to danny’s fans: i dont think they will vote against adam, but the ones that like kris will vote for kris (and the same for adam), which is the fair thing to do. But I guess we will find out soon!

AI fandom has been a phenom since S2 when the Claymates were hatched. Every other fanbase is just a variant as far as I can tell. I usually find that when they start comparing their guy to Elvis and saying he’ll sell more than Daughtry, he’s probably going to flop.

I don’t think either Adam and Kris are all that and doubt they’ll do better or even equal the Davids of S7 let alone Daughtry. However, Simon is pretty shrewd and if he thinks Adam could be an international star, he might be on to something. Or maybe he’s talking out of his butt to boost ratings.

We won’t know for a year and by then the circus will have moved to another town.

That said, the crazy sure is entertaining!

:clap_tb: :drunk_tb:

Honestly, I have to admit, the things I read from some Adam fans kind of make me hope he massively belly-flops. But, I understand that he is not responsible for the madness.

Since you quoted me, the last time I checked we were all entitled to an opinion. Just because it doesn’t jive with yours, doesn’t mean it’s invalid. You hope he belly flops out of spite and I hope he’s successful because he’s earned it and deserves it. To each their own. It’s all good.

now who wants to follow adam when he is on stage at the tour???à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦sorry kris but it would be a huge letdown because the crescendo needs to be at the end lol

I think the same thing was said about Daughtry. Elliott Yamin did fine following him on the Season 5 tour. And so did Kat & Taylor. There’s screaming and applause pretty much the whole night if you’ve never been to one of these things.

Stopped for a peppermint tea & biscuit break but I see we’re still at it..gasp….
I’m sure that tour photo is “airbrushed” and….well, “photochopped”.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure that tour photo is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“airbrushedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

He looks like a mannequin..totally airbrushed

ok lemme say I love!!!adam he is just so talented and i feel so bad dat hes getting so much shyt about being gay gay or no gay he is winning it and i saw something today dat almost brought me to tears I watched con on msnbc to see if he would say something douche like and he did dat really hurt me becuz like i said i was a huge fan and his hating on adam irritates me I dont think u should be angry if someones better den u dats how showbiz works and he has been in it long enuff 2 know dat fact my question is why did he once again mention dat adam lost da part for rock of ages it was totally irrelevent to any of her questions he was doing other shyt and he knew dat and he said it anyway he had an angry bitter look in his eye when she got around 2 adam um like wtf is dis ? people hate all da time but dam y ? its not gonna make him live any longer and ud think that he would be da last 1 2 do such things becuz hes been through dat people hating on him randy…da guys from elimidate which he never won by da way …guys from school becuz he stole their grls away from them n shyt he needs proffessional help seriously I always wanted 2 believe he was a good guy it just hurts 2 face da truth sometimes and those old ass women still blog about him and dont get any comments and i just asked the moderator why is she still blogging not even his supposed fans comment ahh…just a long sigh is wat um doin i just dont get it u claim ur not a celeb but den u go 2 any party u get into u say u dont take advantage of ur fans advances but he does and leaves dem to wonder at da next bus stop he says he is not an ass yet he somehow wants u to believe da tv image he created da poser shyt was enuff how could he make it worse? he ignores his fans and treated his band like shyt was he figured he didnt need dem i just dont understand but i guess u cant always understand it makes me sooo mad becuz i was a fan this is da msnbc thing
I know u guys are like why should we care but i just cant believe da ass hat ness of him omg !

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp … 4#30792574

this is da elimidate thing he actually lost after da cameras was off lol she left with da prod.

http://i-kimee.com/constantine/elimadate.html

yeah ive been to the last 5 tours….like i said, the crescendo is better at the end. nuff said…like last year, i was an archuleta fan, but cook definately was better placed at the end becuz he won

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d rather personally listen to Kris while fine dining.

Not me, I would fall asleep in my soup. Kris is more mellow, and that is the type of music I listen to when I want to wind down chillin’ or right before I sleep.
I would not want to listen to Adam while fine dining either, cause my food would grow cold having forgotten it. This is the type of music I listen to the most. It motivates me to get up and move, dance, I just get into a more creative vibe when I listen to this type of music.

I like both styles of their singing.

With Kris it would be more of a laid back Saturday or Sunday concert in the park with the kiddies running through the flowers, and me sitting on a blanket chillin.

With Adam, it would be at an inside concert setting, and I would be up on my feet cheering him on and dancing.

Totally different types of concerts. I prefer the second, but I have been known to watch concerts in the park. :biggrin_wp:

now who wants to follow adam when he is on stage at the tour???à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦sorry kris but it would be a huge letdown because the crescendo needs to be at the end lol

I think the same thing was said about Daughtry. Elliott Yamin did fine following him on the Season 5 tour. And so did Kat & Taylor. Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s screaming and applause pretty much the whole night if youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve never been to one of these things.

That’s exactly right… because the audience is made of people in many different fan bases. I don’t think it would be a letdown for anyone.

I can’t wait until this fanwar crap ends and real albums get recorded. I’m just here for the music

Yikes, I checked out Adam’s tour photo. He looks like a Dracula wannabe. Shiver me timbers!

I sure thought Clive Davis was going to let Bo make a rock CD and let him be himself. That didn’t happen. They made Ruben do hip-hop and he hated that. They tried to pop Taylor Hicks and that flopped too. Why can’t they take the genre the idols fit and mold the record to fit their style instead of the other way around?

It’s hard to tell what they’ll do with Kris and Adam. Neither will have a lot of input into their records.

Shy, you’re talking about Constantine. I know, saw it on Youtube last week. Left a very bad comment indicating the poor taste of Constantine. I then took a tour to see Constantine in action and understand why Adam was passed over. Definitely Adam is too big a force for the rest of the cast. He would have overshadowed all of them. But props to Constantine for his nomination, but boo for his utterly egotistical comment. Adam could and does sing rings around Constantine. And Kris, well Kris, love him, but that is not his genre.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Winning is not overrated. I forgot the exact quote of Simonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s but I believe it was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“winning is importantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and it is.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Winning guarantees nothing except temorary hype that starts fading at about the same time the subsequent season climaxes. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s possible to win and fail and to lose and succeed. But the show operates on a totally different premiseà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’that winning is a very big deal so keep watching to find out who gets the brass ring.

I take a position somewhere in between these. I think winning certainly doesn’t guarantee anything. BUT on average it does mean something. The odds are with the winners. Not to say the non first place winners (I refuse to call them “losers”) will not be successful. Hell, they will all make a living in the entertainment industry for at least the next few years. But there are real advantages to winning, IMO.

Still, I think the absolute best place to be is the actual winner or the “should have” winner in the mind of 19, Simon Fuller and a big chunk of the viewing public. So I think in that sense, Adam Lambert already won.

I am so disgusted. The Idols ate a Outback Steakhouse?!?

Everybody knows that Bugaboo Creak is CLEARLY the BEST Fakeass Former British Colony Highway Steak Chain Restaurant, period.

Seriously–they broke the steak.

If you don’t agree, you’re lying. Also, I heard this one guy say on the Fans of Lardbucket Chain Food board say that the Outbackies say the God loves the Blooming Onion and hates the Bunyan Onion. Fundamentalists that they are, their fanaticism will doom this nation.

This is supposed to be a meat gorging contest, not a contest about who has the best steak. Chew on that.

I would imagine most of the tour pics will be airbrushed … I haven’t seen any of the other individual one’s but I saw a group one from the same photoshoot and they all looked a bit “shop dummy” like in it.

I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t wait until this fanwar crap ends and real albums get recorded. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just here for the music

OMG, it will just get WORSE then. You ain’t seen nothing yet. LOL.

Now you might be asking yourself why, if I long for the showà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s demise, do I watchà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ and postà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ about it? Well, did you ever start watching a show that was good at first but suddenly started to suck, but yet out of some twisted sense of obliged loyalty you kept watching anyway just to see how it would end? But, all the way you prayed for the day that the albatross would once and for all be removed from your DVR recording schedule?

You know kind of like The O.C. or Dawsonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Creek? (Shut upà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ the chicks were hot!)à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

Whoa! My sister and I were on the phone, rehashing everything from our week (including our opinions on…everything) and we basically paraphrased the sentiment above.

I do think this is the beginning of the end for me. 1.) I stopped watching the results show and tuned to Lost instead. 2.) I’m tired of the judges across the board. 3.) The grassy knoll and the final two fanwars bore me 4.) The direction is a mess this year. 5.) They pimped the TCO too early and too hard to make me feel like I need to get invested and that my phone call would make a difference whether I liked the TCO or anyone else this year. 6.) No Felicia, no Jesse, no Allison. No females, all male final three= season 3 in tone. 7.) No Nigel- hey, I even miss his Wednesday afternoon commentary. 8.) Not enough singing, too many commercials. 9.) dialidol sucks 10.) there is an emotional backlash within me when I read generalizations and inflated language.

Hehe, if only fanwars would end after the show is over… they seem to live forever and ever.

My tactic for enjoying Idol? If I have my favorites, I just don’t read anything icky about them . Hehe. I’m a sensitive soul, and I get mad at myself for getting so touchy about people I do not even know. I’ve had enough Cookie angst over the past year, now I have no more energy for angst so I just watch the kids perform, pick my faves, tune out the judges (fingers in ears – na na na na)… and just enjoy the cheese and the fact that despite all the bad things you can say about the show, there’s some darn good music living in my iPod from a whole lot of these former Idols (and it’s a good variety!).

I do think the Adam tour pic looks more like he’s trying to be an actor in a vampire flick… hehe.

Here’s Kris’ tour pic

All those AI tour pics are always way too airbrushed.

what is it about this program that causes presumably otherwise normal individuals to lose their damn minds?!

I didn’t watch AI from the start, then watched a couple seasons off & on, then didn’t watch at all. Last year was the first season I watched from start to finish, first voted, and first became involved online with regard to it. I’ll admit I’ve become a bit obsessed both last year and this year. Lost my mind? Not yet.

AI is cheap, benign entertainment. It begins in the dead of winter after the holiday let down when I’d rather be inside than out. It is a competition that allows us to get involved in the outcome, throw viewing parties, discuss music, cheer for our fave, and diss our least fave.

I see no difference between me watching AI and an obsessed, crazed sports fan watching (insert sport) 7 days a week and screaming at the tv.

I been thinking and as a Kris Fan i dont want him to win.Let Adam win and create a album like any other lady-gaga,Katy Perry,Amy Winehouse,brittany spears type of record and let america see how far he goes.

I’d love an explanation of how Amy Winehouse and Britney are alike musically.

Well, did you ever start watching a show that was good at first but suddenly started to suck, but yet out of some twisted sense of obliged loyalty you kept watching anyway just to see how it would end?

No, I gave up on the O.C. in the middle of season 2. Boring. I still like AI. I’m still voting and commenting.

Also, Adam does not look like a vampire in that supposed tour pic. I would love to take some of you guys out.

The point, to me, is that Adam is out and proud. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fantastic that he treats his sexuality as no ones business, not because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s afraid someone will find out, but because it isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s business.

The point to me is that this is another piece of gossip. Geez, they had to go the NY Daily News to get it published? Do they not post gossip in LA papers?

You are right, it is nobody’s business. It would be nice if this was just a singing contest but let’s be real here, it isn’t. Sad.

OMG, it will just get WORSE then. You ainà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seen nothing yet. LOL.

Crap, you are right. Hopefully, Kradam will stay as cute as Davidx2 has we’ll all be going ‘awww’ at vids of them on tour together.

Forgive me for being off-topic, but someone mentioned Constantine. I saw him yesterday in Rock of Ages. The show was campy and fun, and Constantine was charming.

Ok, long time lurker here… so first of – please excuse the European bias here. This is actually the first AI season I’ve followed from the start.

I have enjoyed maybe 3 of Kriss’es performances this season. All within his comfort zone. I think Kris is going to have a great future as a song writer/ arranger / producer for other people – and he will make a great career out of it. He will most probably have a few successful records of his own, but he will truly score writing and arranging songs for other people.
Danny on the other hand… the thing that has always bothered be about him is his limited musicality – not in the terms of what notes he hits, but in the terms of his artistic imagination. I got really tired of hearing that he did not know almost every single song he has picked up to sing!!! Not knowing the lyrics I can forgive, but not being aware of music in general is a cardinal sin. On hearing what were his choices I could usually name two or three different versions of the songs while his only comment was that he did not know the song and that he is not going to change it up to much…. He is vocals without any backing – he does not have the basic knowledge of the history of music, performers, techniques and he does not have imagination or “artistry” to express himself. I suppose he does not even have a clear idea of what he would want to express….
Adam will sell lots of records – he is a great performer and entertainer and he had got technique to back up both his records and the performing career with no risk of him damaging himself with vocals outside his abilities. He has done a few songs this season that I absolutely abhorred in their original versions and made them fun and fresh (Play that funky music jumps right to my mind). I actually think he will be a great pop-star not a rick star. He will bring a rock edge to the pop music but not go really rock. Have you heard his own ‘kiss and tell’ fonzerelli radio edit? things like that are going to be huge hits. Do I mind? Not at all – I want to dance my legs away to that tune on the dancefloor.
Right now what Adam is doing is angling to get his name popular, recognised and actually winning the AI.
Many people have criticised the producers for pimping Adam with special lighting, or arrangements, but on most part these things were his own ideas – how he wanted to to the song, what sort of impression he wanted to create. He knows WHAT he wants to do, he knows HOW he wants to do it. He deserves everyone’s kudos for his professionalism and not dwelling in the meliasma of karaoke performances.
Another thing is his iTunes tracks – I have very often concluded listening to the recorded versions that they actually sound flat – not because of his vocals but because of the instrumentalisation (and that is true for all the Ai contestants i Tunes recordings). So I hope if he gets a deal, it is going to be backed up with great musicians – there is only so much he can do to the song with just his vocals.
I personally think that we actually should expect many great things from him. He is not averse to pushing his vocal limits and doing bombastic vocals that wow the voting public (that we know from the AI). But I honestly think that the type of competition that AI is limits the possibilities of the contestants of truly expressing themselves – who they are, what type of music they want to do, and what they want to do with it. Unless it is in an interview or a confessional it is called talking back to the judges and immediately damages the votes outcome. Adam wants to entertain – and I will certainly allow myself to be entertained:)))) and moved to tears every now and then when he chooses to do so.
On that note – I think that of all the contestants he is actually the one that has been given the least leeway to truly expressing himself because of the AI concerns of his possible sexual orientation. Mad World was one of his best performances because he connected to the song personally and emotionally. This is exactly the same reason why some people say he seemed emotionally detached in his home town San Diego visit. How easy is it to to strip yourself bare and return to a place where you did not know who you were? I am 31 and to this day I refuse to return to my highschool ground for any sort of anniversaries. “Children waiting for the day they feel good” and “the dreams in which I’m dying are the best I’ve ever had” never had more meaning then when they sang by Adam…
How many have noticed subtle differences in the wordings on “If I can’t have you” or his comment on going back and actually listening to the lyrics of “One”? I am a huge U2 fan and “One” has actually kept me going through hisghschool. But the focus was on “you gave me nothing now it is all I’ve got”. Adam has managed to infuse “One” for me with a completely different meaning by the way he sang it. He has actually taken the song out of the box in which it has been kept for years and make it different – maybe not better, but different and meaningful. Given time and freedom he has great chances of actually exceeding any of our expectations.
Many people wonder why is it that Adam is even taking part in AP if he has made it so much one man concert and why the hell does he not have the record deal already. My guess is that none of the studios or producers wanted to take the risk because of his orientation, not wanting to figure out whether he’d have a more of a mass appeal. Katy Perry might have kissed a girl and liked it – and within the heterosexual male fantasy world it was accepted as hot and the girls were given a leeway to enjoy it even more. David Cook and Daughtry might have worn the eye-liner but it was and is a stage gimmick of making eyes pop. Adam however has not only worn an eye-liner and nail polish but also his heart on the sleeve. And not matter how much the producers want to disguise it as a theatrical prop and aesthetics, it is a living matter, beating much needed flush of excitement, vulnerability and “F&%* you it’s my life” confidence into today’s music. I applaud him refusing anything to stand in the path of realising his dreams. And I wish for another finger in the face of what’s acceptable with the likes of his Ring of Fire.

Now that’s what I call a lurker rant.

^^^ maturin, your last comment gave me my biggest laugh of the day. Thanks!

@ Norwegiano – hey – you guys have had all these seasons to get used to it and I’ve just gotten hooked:)))

I don’t have a crystal ball so I have no idea how things will turn out. Certainly either guy could win and would be the correct choice because I believe the voters always get it right.

I don’t know who will top whom on the charts even though I have a sneaking suspicion it will be whoever wins. I don’t think that either of them will flop.

As for Broadway being the most likely choice for Adam, I don’t see it unless it’s a show that a famous producer writes exclusively for him.

I see alot of Broadway, off Broadway, and off, off broadway shows, and I haven’t seen anyone comparable to Adam in quite some times. If ever. Saw Jersey Boys last week and it was awesome and all of the guys had real nice voices, but nothing that would make me google them and find out if they have any original music anywhere. Truthfully the best theater performers tend not to be great pop/rock singers. That is why so few young broadway performers transition to pop/mainstream music. I am not saying that they aren’t sensational performers,it’s just that it’s been easier for a pop star to transition to broadway than vice versa.

Here we go again…. Tomorrow, Bill O’Reilly is doing a segment on the impact of Christianity on this year’s American Idol. The TV commercial showed an image of Adam performing. FOX News is stirring stirring up the culture war of gay rights again.

I guess people will still see this as “pimping” huh? Kris doesn’t have people trying to derail his dreams based on who he is. I said it then, and I’ll say it now, Adam is as much of an underdog as Kris.

This has definitely been a *different* sort of AI season with the media stuff… people argue and fight over it all season long every year but all the Adam stuff… sheesh.

I see no difference between me watching AI and an obsessed, crazed sports fan watching (insert sport) 7 days a week and screaming at the tv.

Hehe, true… this coming from a way overinvested Redskins fan. I was lucky last year and my guy won, wish the same would happen for my dratted Redskins.

Well, let me clarify that… I’m only somewhat obsessed, only mildly crazed, but way too attached to my team for sure. And I don’t want 7 days a week, only on Sundays, but who knows, if they played 7 days a week… well then.

LOL!

I am so disgusted. The Idols ate a Outback Steakhouse?!?

Everybody knows that Bugaboo Creak is CLEARLY the BEST Fakeass Former British Colony Highway Steak Chain Restaurant, period.

Seriouslyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’they broke the steak.

If you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t agree, youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re lying. Also, I heard this one guy say on the Fans of Lardbucket Chain Food board say that the Outbackies say the God loves the Blooming Onion and hates the Bunyan Onion. Fundamentalists that they are, their fanaticism will doom this nation.

This is supposed to be a meat gorging contest, not a contest about who has the best steak. Chew on that.

Just so thou doth knowest, at least one man tooketh note of thy jest. And verily, he wast made to laugh heartily.

As for Broadway being the most likely choice for Adam, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see it unless ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a show that a famous producer writes exclusively for him.

Adam is a much bigger act than broadway would allow. The stage wouldn’t be big enough for him.

Here we go againà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. Tomorrow, Bill Oà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Reilly is doing a segment on the impact of Christianity on this yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s American Idol. The TV commercial showed an image of Adam performing. FOX News is stirring stirring up the culture war of gay rights again.

Bill O’Reilly can rot……. :evil_wp:

What I find amazing is that Adam is being given the opportunity to come out in his own terms by American Idol, something you cannot put a price on.

Many of my friends tell me horror stories of being “outed” by terrible means, leaving deep and lasting scars. I was fortunate to be able to come out on my own terms with the support of friends and family, and I am telling you IT MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD.

Because of our similar backgrounds (I was in music theater for 20 years) I assume that Adam is unabashedly OUT to the people who know him personally. What people have to understand is that for a typical “out” gay person, every time you meet someone new you are “coming out”. It practically becomes a daily experience for us.

What makes this different (and more challenging) for Adam is that he is doing it in front of 70 trillion people. Once he is out, that’s it for him. He becomes a very public gay voice in the mainstream media, and then hounded by the anti-gay organizations and crazies. I think that might make anyone take a pause.

I am just saying…give the guy a break already. Put yourself in his shoes…

I love lurker rants! I do get what you are saying about the emotion that Adam imbues into the lyrics. He certainly has me understanding and feel the lyrics to songs that I thought I already got. If for only that reason he’s memorable to me.

loghorea May 17th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

@ Norwegiano – hey – you guys have had all these seasons to get used to it and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve just gotten hooked:)))

This is my first season blogging about this too, but I am a huge Adam fan, so I cannot control myself. :jittery_tb:

Kris doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have people trying to derail his dreams based on who he is.

I guess you don’t count Simon Cowell And who he is was ‘not danny gokey’.

ok, nothing online is as scary as fans at the AI concerts. I only went to one (season 4) and have feared for the future of America’s youth ever since.

the producers are maneuvering for what they want, a finale without a clear favorite. Adam-bashing is up to level 10, and Kris is riding the wave of top 2 fame and glory. All to get out the vote for Tuesday (is that a coincidence, that the voting is on a Tues? never thought of that before).

ok, nothing online is as scary as fans at the AI concerts. I only went to one (season 4) and have feared for the future of Americaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s youth ever since.

Hahahahahah!!!!! That’s so funny because it’s true.

Many people wonder why is it that Adam is even taking part in AP if he has made it so much one man concert and why the hell does he not have the record deal already. My guess is that none of the studios or producers wanted to take the risk because of his orientation, not wanting to figure out whether heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d have a more of a mass appeal. Katy Perry might have kissed a girl and liked it – and within the heterosexual male fantasy world it was accepted as hot and the girls were given a leeway to enjoy it even more.

ITA – Combined with the dwindling sales and economic downturn – it is tough to have a big break in the entertainment industry esp if you do not conform to the typical stereotypes.

:lol_wp: at loghorea and Norwegiano
I appreciate your lurker rant.

Worried about the youth? Hell it’s them dayum frauens I’m a skeered of,lol. For all that might get their panties in a bunch, that’s a joke, although I worry far more about the adults than the kids. I grew up in the age of the claymate in idol years……

“Adam’s Juju”
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“Lurker Rant”

Two new AI blog catch phrases in one night…man I am on a roll…
(bah dum bump…chhhhhhh!)

AI is a FOX network show, of course they’re going to stir the pot. I won’t write my view of O’Reilly, not printable here and off topic, however I did use the term “master baiter” when I wrote an editorial re: his take on things. He likes to bait people and sometimes does it in a very passive aggressive manner. Back to topic, we’re all discussing Adam’s personal choices on this forum be it his choices in music or his choices in his “friends”. Frankly, he seems to me to be a friendly guy and openly admits he has his favorites. I’m not going to speculate on what he does w/his manhood. I respect him as a person and as an artist. Who he does or doesn’t choose for his companion is pretty much his decision. He’s over 21. Christianity needs to be left in the Church or in your personal choices. “Judge not lest ye be judged”.
I bet FOX network is eating this up Kaching! $$$$$$$

Kris doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have people trying to derail his dreams based on who he is.

I guess you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t count Simon Cowell And who he is was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹not danny gokeyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢.

I LOVE the fact that Kris had little or no airtime and has made it to the finals. However, I do think he’s gotten his share of praise (as well as the bus) from Simon. He was never regularly criticized for stuff extraneous to his performance (like Allison was). The judges have constantly referred to him as “the dark horse” and it almost makes me wonder if he’s the stealth TCO. I mean, why wasn’t Allison ever considered a dark horse, when her performances (mileage and all that) were consistently good?

That said, Simon is a two-minute sound bite. That’s a tad different than Bill O’Reilly spewing his trash for a half hour or so.

Norwegiano, I totally understand your story, however, some people never have a ‘coming out’, they just walk the walk. They are who they are….seems more prevalent when you are a celebrity, you must select your oreintation, sorta like when a boy is 18 he has to register for selective service…

I mean parents usually know their children are gay, they just ignore it, as if it will go away like a cold sore. That the kid has to declare themselves to anyone is difficult enough, especially when most parents don’t even want to discuss basic sexuality with their children.

I just thought of something terrible that’s been scaring me all day.

If a lot of Kris’s fans are tween girls, does that mean they’ll give him the David Archuleta treatment and turn him into one of those typical celebrities that tweens love? Oh God, I don’t know why I didn’t see it coming with Archie, but he turned from “cool guy on American Idol” to “cool guy who hangs out with Hannah Montana, Demi Lovato, and those other uninteresting tweenyboppers”.

Now, I think Kris is a bit too old and too different to be marketed that way, but you never know, some people on that route are around his age. I don’t want him to turn into one of those Disney Channel style celebrities. I want him to be more like who he is right now and stick with musicians who are more his style. None of this poppy Demi Lovato, Hannah Montana, or Jonas Brothers stuff.

The idea of him having a guest spot on something like Hannah Montana freaking SCARES me. Dammit, Jamie Foxx better stick with what he said and duet with Kris.

No offense to teenage girls or parents of teenage girls, but I really don’t like that route.

Adam is a much bigger act than broadway would allow. The stage wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be big enough for him.

If this was true, then he shouldn’t have needed AI. He would have been signed, sealed and delivered to the public and blowing up the charts like Taylor Swift right at this very moment.

Norwegiano:

I loved that post about your experience. Thanks for sharing that.

Thanks Lefty, and Tha siezure! Hi five! Just remember, Idol is Srs Bzness!

That said, Simon is a two-minute sound bite. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a tad different than Bill Oà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Reilly spewing his trash for a half hour or so.

ITA. And Kris might get the bland comments which he can work on it – better dressing and surprise performance (Heartless anyone?) but nothing that nothing the level of Adam has gotten in terms of negative media and comments online. And it is for something that he could not change and should not even be question as it is his personal business.

abbysee May 17th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

Norwegiano, I totally understand your story, however, some people never have a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹coming outà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢, they just walk the walk. They are who they areà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.seems more prevalent when you are a celebrity, you must select your oreintation, sorta like when a boy is 18 he has to register for selective serviceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

I mean parents usually know their children are gay, they just ignore it, as if it will go away like a cold sore. That the kid has to declare themselves to anyone is difficult enough, especially when most parents donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even want to discuss basic sexuality with their children.

Don’t get me started!
But seriously…
I agree with you, some people are just blessed with a Popeye attitude, and more power to them. They don’t define themselves, thus they are not definable. These folks are few and far between.

Is it any doubt which team Adam pinch hits for?

That said, Simon is a two-minute sound bite. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a tad different than Bill Oà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Reilly spewing his trash for a half hour or so.

The smiley face was meant to indicate that I was joking. That said nothing Billo the clown has to say will deter the tons of support that Adam already has. As the man said, ‘if they hate then let ‘em hate and watch the money pile up’

Norwegiano you are right. When Bowie admitted to being “bi” it was fine in the UK, but the states were very unforgiving. He said later it was a huge mistake admitting to that and then coming to America. Stifled a lot of what he was about. Funny, everything changes, yet everything stays the same. All these years later it’s still an issue.

Bill O. can blow me.
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on second thought…no, he can’t. Not with that filthy mouth.

Bill O’Reilly is a total moron and most of the people he inspires are the same way. He’ll inspire some morons to vote for Kris, but in actuality, I think he’s actually helping Adam’s fanbase get riled up and vote.

And taking away people’s votes for Kris! Bill O’Reilly, shut up! Not only because you’re taking Kris’s votes away from him, but you treat Adam like he’s a totally evil person because of his orientation.

And I reiterate that I’m not voting for Kris because Adam is gay, I’m voting for Kris because I appreciate his talent more than Adam’s, it fits much better with my tastes, and I find screaming/”mega high pitched glory note” music painful. But Adam doesn’t deserve not to win because he’s gay.

BOR is also probably gonna make me feel like a total moron for voting Kris.

Hypertwink just because someone isn’t signed, sealed, and delivered only means Adam didn’t fit into their slot. Thank God for that because he didn’t want it anyway. He will be signed, sealed, and delivered…on his terms doing what he loves.

The point to me is that this is another piece of gossip. Geez, they had to go the NY Daily News to get it published? Do they not post gossip in LA papers?

Yes. And according to Twitters of some of the contestants, like Jackie Tohn (who was with them), Matt Giraud, and Michael Sarver, they all went to OLIVE GARDEN, not Outback!

Bill O. can blow me.
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on second thoughtà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦no, he canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t. Not with that filthy mouth.

*SNORT* :laugh_tb:

If this was true, then he shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have needed AI. He would have been signed, sealed and delivered to the public and blowing up the charts like Taylor Swift right at this very moment.