Idol Headlines for 05/13/09

Pinoy fans:

Magic 89.9 Exclusive: Because of the demand, Magic is going to do an interactive “fancon” with both David Cook and David Archuleta this Friday, 10am, live!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mgquI5HveU
^ vid of him going on the stage at moa

a BUNCH of vids from the Mall of Asia meet and greet thingy. Though I heard it was only like 5-10 minutes at the most and DA basically only got to like invite them to the concert on the 16th or something like that. didnt get to sign things, or go around shopping like planned because it got cancelled due to security reasons(him going around the mall). least they had alot of security there. lol

Btw Im wondering if cookies mall visit will be equally as short seeing as it the same dude promoting it.
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Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s cooking, David?

MANILA, Philippinesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“A lot of energy, but probably not a lot of dancing,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  reigning à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  David Cook told the Inquirer when asked what to expect from his Manila gig with Season 7 (2008) runner-up David Archuleta. The two Davids will perform in a back-to-back concert on May 16 at the SM Mall of Asia concert grounds in Pasay.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Fans can expect a lot of fun. Archie and I are very excited to perform for the people of the Philippines,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  said the 26-year-old singer-songwriter in an e-mail interview.

more at link
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What Do People Have Against Danny Gokey?

Perhaps Danny Gokey is proof that we hate without reason. That we are given to jealousy. That we dislike those who are naturally gifted (and dare to acknowledge that fact). That we are all, on some level, elitists, and within us all lies a superiority complex, a bias against those in the so-called “red states” who somehow find Gokey’s story, struggle, faith à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  and even his voice à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  inspiring and uplifting.

I love this article!!!!!… really? do we have to hate a contestatn every year??????!!! It ´s gets tiring and we don ´t have any proof that this kids are bad people…

btw just saw a tweet:

someone overheard Jomari saying that Cook was not feeling well. =(

I hope cookie is feeling ok…. D: Hope he’s not getting sick and its just other things..

thanks frogcooke for those vids and articles…. :thumbup_tb: found these cute tweets on archuletaphillipines from some archienoys who attended the meet and greet, or the meet and ”bye”, hahahah, at the mall of asia…. the fangirls are in love :tongue3_tb:

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get him out of my head! Tooo addicting, and he hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even sung yet! Oh my heart!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Today I saw an angel. David is without a doubt the most beautiful being I have ever seen, Ethereal, glowing and radiant.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“It was over in 5 minutes. Good thing I was close. He was a sight to behold. Lovely skin, great smile!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ Just saw him today, Totally true, so flawless and GLOWING yung skinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the most beautiful person Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve seenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ and when you see him, you canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t stop staring.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

http://archuletaphilippines.com/

Thanks frogcooke for all the Archies updates! I hit “refresh” almost every 5 mins on fansofdavid and snarkyarchies this morning hahahah ….. Hope David Cook is feeling better.

yeah i heard it was like REALLY short.. kinda feel bad.. lol ill blame the promoters LOL

Oh my gosh, and I thought we Cook fans were over the top! Here’s hoping both Davids have a fine time in Manila and all their fans have a great time too. Looking forward to hearing more from the Phillipines.

This was my favorite MOA video and probably one of the reasons they ended up not doing the meet part of the M and G. Insanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWHetaTr1l0

do we have to hate a contestatn every year??????!!! It ´s gets tiring and we don ´t have any proof that this kids are bad peopleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Agree. I am not that thrilled with Danny’s music, and I don’t think he has great star quality, but in no way do I hate him. I don’t understand the hate.

Transcript of Cook’s video-conference with fans from Singapore (from Manila):
http://community.livejournal.com/davidcookai7/858407.html

Worth reading / listening because there’re some pretty good Cookie-crumbs LOL.

Elitists? Because we admire and appreciate mad talent and skills developed through years and years (actually a lifetime) of consistent hard work? Seriously?

Applauding excellence and dismissing mediocrity is not elitism…

ETA: I don’t hate Gokey, but I do abhor that he’s been lauded and applauded for being consistently mediocre (on his better days.)

So, we are supposed to believe, according to the USA article at the top of the post, that, despite all evidence to the contrary, Danny walks into the recording studio and sings perfectly on the first and/or 2nd take, while Adam has to keep trying to get it right until they run out of time, and decide to just auto-tune him? Why am I having a hard time believing that? Oh yeah, because Adam is nearly pitch-perfect in every performance, and Danny thinks that he hits every note, every time, but does not. Sounds to me like Adam was being a perfectionist about his studio recording, while Danny just gave them a couple of takes to auto-tune.

That author barely even pretended to be unbiased. I mean, seriously? Adam is the socially awkward one according to this guy? Yeah, right. That writer clearly followed the Adam=evil vs. Danny=good storyline. At least it didn’t come out until last night’s voting was done.

Two seperate interviews this morning on Ryans show…one with stage mgr Debbie (will be working again at the Finale) and one with Paula (no contract yet, but was interesting to hear more about judges song choice – evidently both songs that Danny sang were on Paula’s “list” that he reviewed – is it new that the judges don’t pick one song, but give the contestants a list to review first?)

http://www.kiisfm.com/cc-common/podcast.html

Wow, that USA Today article was just a little biased huh? Maybe he’s trying to counter all the Adam buzz, but that was a little much. It looks like Danny can do no wrong and Adam can do no right. Oh, and Kris…is he even there?!

Anyway, for any Michael Johns fans out there I believe this is the first official review of his album “Hold Back My Heart” which is set to be released 6/23: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/idol_watch/2009/05/michael-johns-new-cd-readied-for-june-23-release.html

The writer really seems to like it, can’t wait to finally hear the thing!

Kelly Clarkson performed “I Do Not Hook Up” on Leno last night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpvOa57iLhU

I really do hope Kris gets into the finale after reading these blogs and articles. It just seems that after the performance of Heartless, he was a shoe-in for the finale.

But interesting to know that the guys had barely no rest and still delivered great performances. Bravo top 3!

Allen, 23, shakes his head. “I wasn’t doing anything before I auditioned, which really was my brother’s idea, just going to the University of Central Arkansas. But I’ve now found what I’m supposed to do with my life. I want to take this ball and run with it.”

wow, this scared me… he got married whit out have finished college…

Wow, I didn’t get that from the USA article at all. I’m an Adam/Kris fan and I found the article fine. Adam came off as confident, I thought. Nothing wrong with that. Gokey came of as tired and a bit overwhelmed. Kris came off as laid back. That’s really all I took away from that.

Best of the night: As an overall performance, Kris’ “Heartless,” though the opening half of Adam’s “One” was the best section of a song I heard.

I completely agree with this from the NJ article.

That being said, I am still an Adam fan all the way and I think he should win this thing, based on the entire body of performances. But I do think he should not be afraid of using just his lower register at this point in the competition.

Interesting takes I’m reading in these comments on the USA today article. :smile_wp:

I thought it was pretty complimentary of Adam, and the vibe I was getting re: the multiple takes and whatnot, was that he’s just a perfectionist.

But I’ll second kbr’s comment: where’s the Kris love? He’s like barely an also-ran in there.

He sure wasn’t an also-ran last night, though. “Heartless” was definitely the highlight of the evening. If it’s a Kradam finale, I’ll scream like an 8-year-old.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Heartlessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  was definitely the highlight of the evening. If ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a Kradam finale, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll scream like an 8-year-old.

The funny thing is that the hold time I was thinking did Kris watch yesterday Idolatry or did Anoop send him a text message… because he totally did what Slezak said lol….

The USA Today article was pretty good and didnt find any biases some are mentioning. It shows how the 3 guys interact and seems to me they are all pretty good people.
As to the “why we love to hate danny” article, I totally agree. We have our own impressions and perception but that doesnt mean its right. We dont know Danny personally. We also have different standard in music, to some Danny is mediocre and to some hes not. Same way with Adam, they put him on a pedestal but to some hes not that good with all the screaming and wailing.
I like all 3 guys and nothing bad to say about them, none of them are perfect, each one has weaknesses. The hate on Danny is going over the top. This is just a show.

I had been hoping for an Adam/Allison finale but I’m going with Adam/Kris now. I’m not a Danny hater…and I can’t see why so many personal potshots are taken at Danny.

Perceptions can be very misleading, especially from TV. I will say that out of the top 3 Danny does not have the range or style of Adam or the versatility of Kris. And, I can’t figure out why the judges continue to fawn over Danny, is there something I’m missing from TV-land?

Based on what I’ve heard and seen on AI I would buy a CD of Adam and of Kris but not of Danny. Simon often has said that Kris is forgettable but for me it is Danny’s performances that do not leave a mark or memory.

Having said that I feel a bit sorry for Danny and the negative comments thrown his way. I wish him well, he seems like a nice guy.

jersey
May 13th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Wow, I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get that from the USA article at all. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m an Adam/Kris fan and I found the article fine. Adam came off as confident, I thought. Nothing wrong with that. Gokey came of as tired and a bit overwhelmed. Kris came off as laid back. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s really all I took away from that.

I could not agree more! I read the article last night after the show and took it at face value – thought it was a great peek into their whirlwind, and we don’t usually get to hear about that aspect of their Idol experience.

juliec
May 13th, 2009 at 11:25 am
I like all 3 guys and nothing bad to say about them, none of them are perfect, each one has weaknesses. The hate on Danny is going over the top. This is just a show.

Once again, you said it all for me. I’m OK with whomever makes it to the finale, and may the best man win, even if it’s the pimped one, or not.

but did Idol’s producers really think it was cool to leave us with only six performances and a few seconds’ worth of hometown visit footage on which to choose our finale participants? Especially on a night where if Kara’s combined critiques had been tossed in the dumpster, Adam, Kris, and Danny would’ve almost had time to respectively perform ”Paradise by the Dashboard Light,” ”Alice’s Restaurant,” and ”American Pie” in their entirety.

Vintage Slezak!

BTW, this is from his recap at ew.com, which I’m now noticing has not been linked yet. Sorry for spoiling…

oh Archie just tweeted:

DavidArchie: All right, watched the 2nd half of AI. We have got a competition here! I really enjoyed watching it, and really impressed. Your opinions?

lol lol It’s nice to se he’s watching even in the philippines

his replies to peeps:

kris- @AnneAAM It reminded me of The Fray last week! Because they perform Heartless at their show haha. He made it his own though. Loved it.

danny- @HelloBayley Haha. Danny is fantastic at bringing the emotion to the song, and I love how he has soul in his voice. I’m torn though.

adam- @mia_queen Adam is just a flippin’ amazing performer lol. He always makes it interesting.

True to form as ever:

For those of you asking who is my favorite, I don’t really pick favorite people. That’s why I don’t have A best friend ha. Close 3 though!

I could point to 2 reasons I dislike Danny as a contestant: 1) the over the top praise for mediocre performances is beyond annoying. 2) he has stayed longer than much more talented performers.
So in internet-speak, I hate Danny.

oh Archie just tweeted:

DavidArchie: All right, watched the 2nd half of AI. We have got a competition here! I really enjoyed watching it, and really impressed. Your opinions?

lol lol Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s nice to se heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s watching even in the philippines

I always forget he has a Twitter! That’s cool that he watched it.

ETA: He also tweeted this about the performances (and Rickey is harassing him about saving Kris :laugh_tb: ).

For those of you asking who is my favorite, I don’t really pick favorite people. That’s why I don’t have A best friend ha. Close 3 though!

@HelloBayley Haha. Danny is fantastic at bringing the emotion to the song, and I love how he has soul in his voice. I’m torn though.

@mia_queen Adam is just a flippin’ amazing performer lol. He always makes it interesting.

@AnneAAM It reminded me of The Fray last week! Because they perform Heartless at their show haha. He made it his own though. Loved it.

kbr May 13th, 2009 at 11:04 am

Wow, that USA Today article was just a little biased huh? Maybe heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s trying to counter all the Adam buzz, but that was a little much. It looks like Danny can do no wrong and Adam can do no right. Oh, and Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦is he even there?!

LOL, I found the sweet little tidbits about Kris and enjoyed each of them. Understated but awesome as usual, imo.

frogcooke, thanks for including some DC updates with DA’s. I hope DC is feeling better soon! Poor guy. He’s had a rough couple of weeks, and that’s putting it mildly.

daenarys, I’ll check your link as well. Thanks!

I don’t like Danny’s singing, but the judges (indirectly)& the voters are the ones to blame for keeping him in the competition way past his expiration date! That’s what hurts the most!

Wow, that USA Today article was just a little biased huh? Maybe heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s trying to counter all the Adam buzz, but that was a little much. It looks like Danny can do no wrong and Adam can do no right. Oh, and Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦is he even there?!

Yeah, it seemed a little biased to me too. I mean you follow these guys around for three days and look at what the author picked up … Danny’s doing it for the love, Adam’s doing it for the attention. As for Kris, I suspect when he’s around these two guys, he sort of fades into the background. There probably weren’t a lot of quotable quotes. Not trying to diss Kris, as he’s a nice guy, but Adam and Danny just have larger personalities.

Regarding the USA Today article:

That author barely even pretended to be unbiased. I mean, seriously? Adam is the socially awkward one according to this guy? Yeah, right. That writer clearly followed the Adam=evil vs. Danny=good storyline.

Wow, that USA Today article was just a little biased huh? Maybe heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s trying to counter all the Adam buzz, but that was a little much. It looks like Danny can do no wrong and Adam can do no right. Oh, and Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦is he even there?!

When I read this, I had the same response. Either all the other past “behind the scenes” articles and interviews with Adam were not true, or this writer was trying to make some kind of a point. Adam is too “Hollywood”, Kris and Danny are regular guys.

It was interesting to learn more about Adam’s approach to fashion, and Kris and Danny’s complete lack of interest in it. It would really be great to have an Idal winner who really had their own, developed style vs. seeing the AI stylists point of view create an “image” for them.

from gmanews in the phillipines…….

QTV: David Archuleta goes malling

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/41551/QTV-David-Archuleta-goes-malling

cruzceleste May 13th, 2009 at 11:13 am

Allen, 23, shakes his head. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t doing anything before I auditioned, which really was my brotherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s idea, just going to the University of Central Arkansas. But Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve now found what Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m supposed to do with my life. I want to take this ball and run with it.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

wow, this scared meà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ he got married whit out have finished collegeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

So did my hubby and we’re doing just fine. No worries. I’m happy Kris has found what he wants to do with the rest of his life. He’s in a good place right now to take that ball and run with it!

So did my hubby and weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re doing just fine. No worries. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m happy Kris has found what he wants to do with the rest of his life. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s in a good place right now to take that ball and run with it!

Sorry,don ´t mean to made it sound bad, maybe is just that me and my circle of friends all waited… Great that you and your hubby are happy

In response to the Hating on Gokey article: I think that the judges have a lot to do with the hate spewed forth on Gokey. I for one cannot stand when contestants are constantly awarded for being good singers and mediocre performers. In other words Danny is given praise based on raw talent completely unrelated to the performances. Even Simon pulled punches with Danny. In the past…contestants like Carly Smithson and even this season’s Kris were held to a standard that made it nearly impossible for them to be hailed as “brilliant” etc. The judges critiques are all over the place. Danny has a very unique, powerful voice…but he deserves more criticism. I think people get really turned off when they feel duped by the judges. I know I do!
I didn’t mind the tongue bathing of Scott McIntyre because he made Idol better. Even though his singing was questionable, he added something special…it was nice to be a part of his journey. Patronizing as it may seem, I do not blame the judges for “pulling” for Scott to stick around. Think of all of the people that he was able to inspire. But Gokey…I think his plugging is a bit shameless.

I’d say getting married while still in college is much easier than what my parents did. They were 16 and 18 when they got married. 60 plus years later, they’re doing fine.

While I did see a bit of bias in the USA Today article, it didn’t bother me at all. I guess not being invested in any of the contestants this season has its advantages. I would have liked to see a bit more of Kris however. I have great hopes I’ll get my wish on next week’s finale.

btw just saw a tweet:

someone overheard Jomari saying that Cook was not feeling well. =(

I hope cookie is feeling okà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. D: Hope heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not getting sick

The rumour from the Declaration tour at Akron (last show before the flight to Manila) was that Cook had an ear infection and needed to get antibiotic before the show that night. I guess, what with all of the stress he’s been under, and running in the rain at the Race For Hope he got sick. Flying 23 hours to Manila probably didn’t make those ears feel any better. I hope he has some down time to get some rest and recover.

On the latest itunes feed, Heartless is #29, Apologize is #78 and Cryin # 144.

I dunno, I thought the why we love to hate Danny article was a little silly. Some of the stuff that paints Danny as an evil machiavellian schemer who is dancing on his wife’s grave is over the top and probably . But it’s not like he’s getting death threats or having his car egged or something. So some people are snarking on his performances on AI blogs and don’t want him to win American Idol. Let me get out my tiny violin… Music is subjective, and having a negative perception of Danny’s musical stylings is perfectly reasonable, as is busting on his strategic choices in the course of a televised competition. For me, for him, for me, dawg, Danny as a performer is awkward and a little ridiculous and snark inspiring. He’s also a grown man, and thus sheltered or not, unlike some of the teen contestants, IMO fully owns the choices he made on the show. Hate is such a strong word, and since I don’t know him personally, I don’t hate the guy. When AI ends I will cease thinking much about him unless something interesting is posted here that warrants a comment. And on the occasion that I reflect upon this season, I’ll still laugh my ass off at his harp enlisting Aerosmith ruining doody doo doo inserting musical choices. If that makes me an elitist, well what the hell ever. Not gonna apologize for having the free will to dislike Danny’s doo dooing and that gawd awful Miley Cyrus song The Climb and the way Ryan Tedder is suddenly everwhere in pop music with his scary homogenizing influence like that time Agent Smith became a computer virus in The Matrix trilogy. YKWIM? Also, this passage makes no sense to me…

That we dislike those who are naturally gifted (and dare to acknowledge that fact). That we are all, on some level, elitists

An elitist would be more apt to dislike those who aren’t naturally gifted or special, methinks.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say getting married while still in college is much easier than what my parents did. They were 16 and 18 when they got married. 60 plus years later, theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re doing fine.

MJ so is gonna call us out for this topic;D (please don ´t ban me after this)… I didn ´t mean is bad, just weird for now on days standard… more people in a medium, medium high and high monetary income wait until they have secure themself collge degree education…

Fron Archie ´s twitter:
For those of you asking who is my favorite, I don’t really pick favorite people. That’s why I don’t have A best friend ha. Close 3 though!

lol, he is killing me… seriously his tweets are gold!!!

I like the fact that Adam admitted to having differences of opinions with Danny. I wonder if Danny has tried to “save” Adam from being such a sassy sinner! Hahahaha!!!

I thought the USA article was OK .. I presume they printed the quote from Adam about him and Danny being very different and so therefore “agree to disagree” to build up this kind of good v evil competition between the two of them.

To me Adam came across as the one with more of a personality and as being very honest instead of doing the whole Miss World speech of “I’m in this to help others, to save the children and to bring about world peace” … of course they’re all there to further their career’s and to get attention .. I don’t believe anyone who’s in the entertainment business whe they say that they’re not in it for some sort of attetion.

I love Adam’s honesty and humour .. with him you get what you see.

Hating complete strangers on TV always seems weird to me so I enjoyed that article. I’ve hated people on AI for lasting longer than my favorites though. Maybe that’s basically Danny’s problem.

Totally OTT but I just have to share. I just saw Anderson Cooper on the street and he’s MEGAHOT> about 1000x better looking that he looks on TV. Too bad it breaks NYC social norms to stare. I think he watches Idol so I guess that’s the connection

“Uh-huh, I’m feeling it,” says Byrd as the song suddenly erupts out of larger speakers.
Just then a nearby Coke machine comes to life, its whir mixing with the lilting chords.

That has to be my favorite part of the USA Today article. Apparently, Danny’s music is so inspirational that it stirs Coke machines to rise from the dead.

(No, I don’t hate Danny. That’s a very strong word. I do think that he often says what he thinks he should to try to sound like a good Christian, but doesn’t carry through with it in his actions. He’s also hugely overrated as a singer/performer, usually at the expense of the hugely underrated Kris.)

Sorry,don ´t mean to made it sound bad, maybe is just that me and my circle of friends all waitedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Great that you and your hubby are happy

No offense taken. He did get his degree btw, but he’d rather be a musician full time so that’s what makes me so happy for Kris! Practicality got in the way of hubby pursuing that dream at that age…I’m going to stop because this isn’t about us, lol! Anyway, absolutely no hard feelings.:)

Gingerly, congrats to your parents! 60 plus yrs is awesome!!!!

I can’t wait to read Slezak’s article, but gotta get back to RL right now.

mj, it’s very difficult to stay away from your blog!

“I do think that he often says what he thinks he should to try to sound like a good Christian, but doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t carry through with it in his actions.”

Seriously, how do you know what his actions are? I just see him on AI every week and he’s not raping, robbing, pillaging. He seems like a jerk sometimes but maybe off the show he’s a decent guy. We really have no idea.

What Do People Have Against Danny Gokey?

Perhaps Danny Gokey is proof that we hate without reason. That we are given to jealousy. That we dislike those who are naturally gifted (and dare to acknowledge that fact). That we are all, on some level, elitists, and within us all lies a superiority complex, a bias against those in the so-called à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“red statesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  who somehow find Gokeyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s story, struggle, faith à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  and even his voice à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  inspiring and uplifting.

I posed a question on here weeks ago– one that expresses the same idea the MTV writer is exploring– about whether *possibly* (not definitively) some of the strong dislike that Danny encounters is an expression of what he is seen as embodying….

I thought it could be a jump-off for some perhaps interesting conversation about how cultural/ political prejudices influence our different feelings about different contestants or even what we view on television generally. However, instead of being a “jump-off”, my post was “jumped-on” (heh) and, I think, eventually edited out altogether also.

Regardless of all that, the thesis of the MTV journalist (and my own) still intrigues me, and I’m interested to hear how other people responded when they read that piece….

I thought the Hating article was self indulgent (wink to Simon) tripe on the part of the writer. What are we, his pseudo therapist? Let him find his inner puppy on his own time. I want to read opinions about American Idol not a self help manifesto.

I for one cannot stand when contestants are constantly awarded for being good singers and mediocre performers.

But I will said that ´s AI ´s machine and the judges are more at fault than Danny…

I agree with what some of you have said, we all are at right to dislike the act, music taste and interpretation that and contestant made, but the problem comes, IMHO, when it becomes HATE and a personal attack to said so contestant, and I think thats is the point of the writer of the article. We all feel bad when our favorite is insulted or made fun of, but most of us at some point have made fun of another contestant,me included… tell me if some of here don ´t feel bad about HATING a contestant during a past season and now you like said so contestant, or at least respect.

For those who say that Adam’s over pimped …. at least Chris get’s to drive the flash car in the Ford Video and Danny gets to feel like he’s “parting the Red Sea” … while Adam appears to be stuck in the back seat like a lemon….lol

“just saw Anderson Cooper on the street and heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s MEGAHOT> about 1000x better looking that he looks on TV.”

This is off topic but god you are so right. I saw him very close at a benefit thing. We were playing there and he came to chat. But my point is that I understand why so many straight peeps are fascinated with Adam. I would be so in love with AC if he wasn’t a TV superhero and not cause he is rumored to be gay, lol.

I do agree with the MTV article a bit. Once people have an opinion about somebody, it’s going to be hard to shake that opinion. I guess it’s all about first impressions. And anything Gokey does will be looked at with a glass-half-empty mindset. I’m not saying this is true with everybody, but it is a possibility in regards to some.

I personally don’t find Danny to be a bad guy at all. He comes across as a genuinely nice guy and I do think he has an outstanding voice. His YASB performance kind of blew me away last night. If he’s eliminated tonight, I wish him the best in the future. I don’t think he’s a mainstream TOP40 artist by any means, but he could have a career as a Christian recording artist.

I think that alot of the hate directed at Danny is “political.” He’s seen as the champion of the Bush red state crowd while Adam is another Obama. If you look at the comments about the voting, it sounds like Election 2008 all over again with “states” going to Danny or Adam. Pretty silly stuff indeed. I mean it’s still a glorified karoke contest isn’t it?

Noctem, you can read my respone above yours, if you like. :bye_tb: Maybe some people dislike Danny more symbolically than substantively just as some people hate Adam for what he represents. But I think that true “haters” are precious few. IMO, iif there’s any type of groupthink thing going on, it’s more of an emperor’s new clothes phenomenon. Every week we line up for a parade and as Danny goes by were are told we’re supposed to admire his non existant new duds. But we look and see nothing but a clueless naked guy strutting around like he’s outfitted for the cover of GQ. Someone eventually whispers…um, does he look naked to you? And someone answers, dude, he so DOES. The hell? ANd it snowballs from there.

But we look and see nothing but a clueless naked guy strutting around like heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s outfitted for the cover of GQ. Someone eventually whispersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦um, does he look naked to you? And someone answers, dude, he so DOES. The hell? ANd it snowballs from there.

And I have two words to back up the anger the above generates.

Allison Iraheta

Do I hate Danny? Probably.
I tried to like him, but I just can’t
I did say his performances sucks. However, I try to avoid attacking him as a person.

If people are jealous about his talent, why don’t they just hate Adam? Who is more talented…
If it’s about his religion, why don’t they hate Kris?

My problem with him is that he got more credit than he deserves, while Allison and Kris don’t. It’s more with the judges than with Danny, actually. But Danny will also get the blame.
I somehow believe they gave him a villain edit when Allison was elliminated.

I didn ´t mean is bad, just weird for now on days standardà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ more people in a medium, medium high and high monetary income wait until they have secure themself collge degree educationà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Everyone of my neices and nephews were married before they finished college and they are now all college graduates along with their spouses…and there are some Doctors and Lawyers and six figure business owners in that mix. They also paid for their own schooling, with very little help from the inlaws.
And, if you grow up in Utah this is the absolute norm not the abnorm.

Some of this, of course, is based on the fact that in many conservative and/or religious influenced communities “living together” is not wildly recognized as an acceptable alternative to marriage as a commitment. So if you find your “soul mate” and have the limited patience of the individuals I know in their early twenties, marriage becomes their choice.

Sorry I got off topic from the thread but I don’t want anyone to think that Kris’ life choices are different than most of the 20 somethings I know.

Seriously, how do you know what his actions are? I just see him on AI every week and heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not raping, robbing, pillaging. He seems like a jerk sometimes but maybe off the show heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a decent guy. We really have no idea.

And yet I still have the right to my opinion, which is based on what I’ve seen over the course of the season online, on the several hours of TV each week devoted to AI, and in print articles. The whole American Idol phenomenon is based on getting us to form strong enough opinions about these guys to invest bucket loads of time and money on them. To suggest that we are wrong to form those opinions is ludicrous. We are asked to choose the president of the US based on similar information. Should we only vote if we’ve gotten to really know each candidate in person?

BTW, I said nothing about Danny committing felonies.

I don’t hate Danny Gokey. I don’t even know him and I don’t hate anybody I know…even my ex-husband. So how could I hate him? I just think he’s overstayed his welcome.

Danny was actually my favorite after auditions. It took the douchey scream after Tatiana (who I didn’t like at all) was eliminated and the picture of the pimping of his dead wife to make me have second thoughts. I just guess that between his mediocre singing and what I see to be a too high of an opinion of himself, not to mention is utter lack of knowing what a duet should be and telling the judges that HE would be the judge of the scream, well I just wish he’d have gone home weeks (about 6) ago.

Do I hate Danny Gokey? No. I’ll likely never see him again (if I can help it) on my TV. Do I judge him without personally knowing him? You betcha. We all judge what we see on TV.

Sorry MJ I promise this is the last one

Some of this, of course, is based on the fact that in many conservative and/or religious influenced communities à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“living togetherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is not wildly recognized as an acceptable alternative to marriage as a commitment. So if you find your à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“soul mateà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and have the limited patience of the individuals I know in their early twenties, marriage becomes their choice.

You have a point there….

ETA: I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t hate Gokey, but I do abhor that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been lauded and applauded for being consistently mediocre (on his better days.)

I’m not going to argue with you that Danny has been mediocre, or even beneath that, for about the last six or seven weeks before last evening. I did think he brought his game last night, for the record.

But, I could also say that I abhor that Adam has been “lauded and applauded” for giving certain performances that were comically self-indulgent and over-the-top almost to the point that they were awful in taste and melodramatic. What I said last night is that just because he CAN doesn’t mean he SHOULD. Just because he “can” hit all those notes doesn’t mean he “should” do it all the time.

Didn’t mean to imply you couldn’t have opinions. It’s just that I really don’t have enough info from the show to know if Danny is a good or bad Christian. But to be honest, I wouldn’t care if he was or wasn’t. It’s a singing contest in the end. If he was a lousy Christian and I loved his voice, I’d vote for him. But obviously people vote for all kinds of reasons.

For noctem’s thesis:

I thought the MTV author’s article seemed all over the map, like adventures in his own introspection and self-exploration. And, he seemed to find solace (and apparently much needed relief from guilt) in projecting his own issues onto the rest of those among us who do not find Danny to be performing well enough to win AI, or more pointedly, to be receiving the push-through that he consistently does from the judges.

Like sunchick above, I also felt his elitist accusation to be sorely misplaced.

There is only place where any cultural matter comes into play for me during AI. That is, at times throughout the season I’ve felt we, the people, are being forced by the producers into a cultural grudge match when none is warranted, or even welcomed, and when we only want to be entertained and find the best contestant. Naturally, this includes Danny, but it also includes Kris, Michael, Matt, and to a lesser extent (but with more force) Lil and Scott. All of those fit the bill for casting the good “religious” role, as though the producers assumed Adam would make it through to play “evil incarnate,” and anyone else could rise to the occasion as the “white knight” opponent. (It wouldn’t really matter who, so long as they stacked the deck as they did.)

I hate that the producers not only feel good TV can be made of hot button, divisive culture clashes, but have no conscience in furthering and exploiting that hurtful divide (not to mention the people who they’ve chosen to play the roles.)

I don’t hate Danny or any of the other good guy candidates. I appreciate the talent of some more than others, naturally. But I really don’t appreciate at all the machinations of TPTB to scratch an open, oozing wound in our ailing society.

So with that, I’m sure my response can be used to argue both in favor of and against your thesis. Do with it what you will. After all, a good advocate can effectively argue both sides of any issue.

But, I could also say that I abhor that Adam has been à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“lauded and applaudedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  for giving certain performances that were comically self-indulgent and over-the-top almost to the point that they were awful in taste and melodramatic. What I said last night is that just because he CAN doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean he SHOULD. Just because he à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  hit all those notes doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean he à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“shouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  do it all the time.

ITA.

“I think that alot of the hate directed at Danny is ‘political.’ Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s seen as the champion of the Bush red state crowd while Adam is another Obama. If you look at the comments about the voting, it sounds like Election 2008 all over again with à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“statesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  going to Danny or Adam. Pretty silly stuff indeed. I mean ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s still a glorified karoke contest isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t it?”

It’s the culture war coming to AI. Adam’s the ultimate caberet singer and Danny’s the ultimate karaoke singer, but each has come to represent more than what he is.

A very special award to the Burlington Free Press, featuring quotes from people who went to school with Adam’s dad, for the Furthest Reach to Include an Idol Local Connection.

Oh, my God, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Eber Lambert!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Albright [former classmate] said.

Plus, Adam should be very very happy his family isn’t like mine, where boys always get their dad’s name.

“Oh, my God, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Eber Lambert!” just doesn’t have that glamourous ring to it.

I thought it could be a jump-off for some perhaps interesting conversation about how cultural/ political prejudices influence our different feelings about different contestants or even what we view on television generally. However, instead of being a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“jump-offà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , my post was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“jumped-onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (heh) and, I think, eventually edited out altogether also.

Of course, if you had actually been offering a topic of conversation for some interesting discussion, rather than a finger-pointing rant, you probably would not have been jumped on OR edited.

Noctem, you can read my respone above yours, if you like. :bye_tb: Maybe some people dislike Danny more symbolically than substantively just as some people hate Adam for what he represents. But I think that true à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“hatersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  are precious few.

Seriously. It’s a TV show. These kids are cast. It’s like “hating” the bad guy in a Soap Opera. It doesn’t mean anything.

“Seriously. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a TV show. These kids are cast. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“hatingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  the bad guy in a Soap Opera. It doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean anything.”

right…

i dont like danny on the show or any of that goes with it but I dont hate him as a person at all. Its kinda like mj said, its like hating the bad guy.

“All of those fit the bill for casting the good à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“religiousà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  role, as though the producers assumed Adam would make it through to play à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“evil incarnate,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and anyone else could rise to the occasion as the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“white knightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  opponent. (It wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really matter who, so long as they stacked the deck as they did.)”

I don’t see that at all. Most of the culture clash stuff is media or Internet generated. And if there’s a “white knight” this season, it’s Adam. He even gets the best lighting. And if he’s supposed to be “evil” because he’s gay, I think that’s actually never been referenced on the show. Although, Adam is referred to as “brave.” Maybe that’s code. Honestly, Adam has been the most pimped performer on this show possibly in its history. I mean they don’t even pretend anymore with Simon begging for votes for him.

Okay, I’ll stop with the post hoing.

What I said last night is that just because he CAN doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean he SHOULD. Just because he à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  hit all those notes doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean he à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“shouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  do it all the time.

No doubt. But I think the decisions aren’t quite so clear cut at this stage of the competition.

My understanding is that the audience grows exponentially at this stage — Top 3 and on. New people, new potential voters/fans to impress, some for the first time. Yeah, some who’ve been around since day one will say what Adam chooses today is not necessary cuz we all know he can hit major notes and display stratospheric range and control. But for the new viewers, he’s starting from scratch.

Nevertheless, I stand by my prior views that Adam’s recent rock performances merely suffered from the need to truncate them to 1:40 while still showcasing his vocals and effectively interpreting and emoting the lyrics. Not to mention his own placing of the bar so high that it’s humanly impossible for him to always meet it, much less beat it EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Personally, I thought they were really quite good. And I know I will love the studio recording of One, probably more than any other. Brilliant, meaningful song choice for Adam (and the role he’s playing. )

ETA: Regarding relative pimping, I’ll just say that “pimping” means different things to different people and is a totally subjective term to boot. If a person deserves praise, to me it’s not pimping. If he/she doesn’t deserve it and still gets it, it’s pimping. Whether someone does or does not deserve praise — particularly in the arts — is rarely an objective measure.

I don’t hate Danny. He’s just the Idol equivalent of a pebble I can’t get out of my shoe. The thing is he is just not that good. And it’s not vocally, cause he has a voice it’s just the whole thing is one giant snooze fest.

For me, my dislike of Danny Gokey has absolutely nothing to do with who he is, what he represents, who he voted for, or any of the type of things that are irrelevant to a singing competition. It has everything to do with the fact that *I* feel that he has been consistently overpraised for mediocre performances. I don’t think his voice is spectacular and I’m not convinced that he really knows how to use it to its strengths and abilities. Either that, or he’s vastly overconfident about said strengths and abilities. Last week proved that.

A co-worker asked me today (one of the few who doesn’t like him) how in the world he made it to the top 3, outlasting people like Alexis and Allison, who are far better than him. I shrugged and said “backstory?” because I’m of the opinion that if he didn’t have an irresistable, heart-wrenching backstory, he would have been cut in Hollywood. There’s nothing spectacular or extraordinary about him, imo.

I do agree with the MTV article a bit. Once people have an opinion about somebody, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to be hard to shake that opinion.

edit: KEEP YOUR OPINIONS FOCUSED ON THE TOPIC. You need to read my guidelines

This is why I do not think that one performance is going to determine the winner of AI this year, because at this point we are locked on who we want. I’m sure everyone voted last year for the President’s election. At least I hope so!! :biggrin_wp: How many people honestly changed their vote based on just one debate between McCain & Obama? Did some people? Yes of course. But I would bet a whole year’s salary that for most people, their decision was already made up. It would have taken something HUGE (like formerly being convicted of murder or child abuse) to change one’s mind.

We all have our opinons based on our biases and preferences. The thing about this show is, that one contestant can have more fans, but another’s could vote more since there is no voting limit. So we never know what is going to happen. I would be shocked if the same person came in number 1 every week. It all depends on who’s wililng to vote those whole 2 or 4 hours.

Can’t we all agree that they are all three talented in their own different and unique ways? I’m a HUGE Adam fan. I don’t know if I will be able to get through tonight’s result’s show. LOL But I can see the appeal and talent in Kris and Danny. The music industry is huge, there is room for all 3. Life would be boring if we all had to stomach listening to the same thing… although that is what happens with Top 40 raido most of the time….

Of course, if you had actually been offering a topic of conversation for some interesting discussion, rather than a finger-pointing rant, you probably would not have been jumped on OR edited.

Well, the post is gone now, so I can’t link to it, but I can honestly tell you that wasn’t the mindset from which I was posting. I say that confidently because I never post from that mindset. This isn’t my real-life. This is a hobby. Nothing written on a blog or a message board gets me riled to the point that I would rant in an accusatory manner.

Nevertheless, and I do mean this sincerely, I apologize if that didn’t come across in the voice in which I was writing. I will pay more attention to make sure that what I am saying and the tone in which I am saying it comes across more clearly in the future.

Hate: the emotion of intense dislike; a feeling of dislike so strong that it demands action
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

I won’t go into all of the reasons I dislike Danny, they are legions and I’ve been vocal enough (that is the action that “hate” demands). The hate relates to personal issues that surround Danny and his statements that he has made on idol.

And those issues have, of course, biased me towards his performances. But, truth be known, my reasons for wanting Danny not to be the next American Idol are somewhat based on sympathy for him. Regardless of the quality of his singing voice he just doesn’t have the marketable “IT” factor that is so neccessary in the competitive field of “recording”. And based on the people I know that “love” Danny, none of them will ever follow him after Idol is over, they are not that type of vested person.

So, I think that Danny will be overshadowed by several other contestants on the AI tour, on the press junkets, in the recording studio, and especially if he ever has a tour of his own. If Danny wins I will be very surprised if his victory tour, unlike last years, will be shared with the runner-up. Because, whether the runner up is Kris or Adam they will totally outshine him in every venue because they just have more “IT” going on.

I may be totally wrong, but I don’t think so. I will bet my entire fortune (6 dollars and 28 cents) that Danny, if he wins, will be the least successful idol ever and that by this time next year he will pretty much have faded off the face of the earth.

ETA: Regarding relative pimping, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll just say that à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pimpingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  means different things to different people and is a totally subjective term to boot. If a person deserves praise, to me ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not pimping. If he/she doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t deserve it and still gets it, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pimping. Whether someone does or does not deserve praise à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  particularly in the arts à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  is rarely an objective measure.

Yup. I couldn’t have said it differently myself. Again, its all based on our biases and preferences of who we like the best.

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the culture war coming to AI. Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the ultimate caberet singer and Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the ultimate karaoke singer, but each has come to represent more than what he is.

And that’s why Fox NEEDS an Adam vs. Danny/ Danny vs. Adam final. It’s good vs. evil, with some on each side convinced they are on the side of “good” and the other side is “evil”. Adam vs. Kris doesn’t offer the same polarity.

Having said that, I think Danny is going home tonight, and Kris will get steamrolled in the final, but told, in consolation, he’s one of the most “humble” contestants AI has ever had. I’m not an Adam fan, and I don’t think he’ll do well commercially in 2009 – 2010 as a glam-rocker, but compared to the other two his talent and personality are just so outsized that it will seem ridiculous if he doesn’t win. Now if Alison was still in the competition on the other hand….

Oh here is the part where DA got to talk at the Mall of Asia.. it was only a few minutes appearance.. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlEWlm2HKr4

Im guessing cook’s mall thing will be quite similar to this.

My problem with Danny is I feel he is a bit self absorbed and phoney. The now constant prop of the guitar for example. He seems to copy both Adam and Kris, and he just takes himself way way too seriously. And the story about how he wants to learn to play it…when? They keep these kids busy 24/7. They don’t have time to learn an instrument.

I thought he did very well last night, although I didn’t like either song (one I’m just so sick of).

But my real problem with Danny is I suspect he is gay, (yes, I know he was married, to his “soul mate” and ‘best friend”.) so that constant story of his lost love is a bit much for me to bear. I don’t mean I have a problem with him being gay, I mean I have a problem with his quest to go out of his way to pretend he is not gay. Even though I understand the fundamentalist Christian culture all too well, and I know many men who have attempted to live a ‘normal” life under the pressure of the church community.

If Adam loses tonight I will have nothing to live for…lol. Although Kris is pleasant enough as a singer, as is Danny, I just don’t think I could sit through this show without Adam to look forward to.

For the record, I don’t hate Danny Gokey on a personal level. I don’t know the man at all. What I hate is his never-ending, unwarranted presence on a television show that is supposed to be about finding a marketable singing talent. All this talk of “he can sing…AND he’s a Christian that just lost his wife” makes me want to hurl up my Frosted Flakes. I am a Christian, from a red state in the South, and I have never once been inspired by Danny Gokey, his singing, or his story/struggle/whatever angle the producers tried to take on it this week. “I’m here to help others and save the children” ?! WTF? So go work for UNICEF or the Red Cross in Africa or something, but don’t try out for American Idol. You know, when I was a teenager, I lost my boyfriend and my grandfather within two days of each other the week before my 17th birthday, and I could carry some semblance of a tune, maybe I should have tried out for Idol. By no means am I on the level of David Cook-Carrie Underwood- Kelly Clarkson- Adam Lambert, but I could have gotten sympathy votes! *snort*

Anyway, I think what’s the most irritating to me is the blatant flaunting of his deep involvement in the church and how different he is from Adam. I understand the fact that he’s the music director for his church, but I don’t need to be reminded of that constantly. I’ve been a super hardcore fan of David Cook for over a year, and I still don’t know, nor do I give a damn, which church he attends or his involvement in said church. It. Shouldn’t. Matter. My votes are based on their ability to sing and perform on that stage, not how sorry I feel for them for shit happening in their personal lives. Hell, why don’t we base our votes on what their favorite color is?

I work with a guy who is my age (mid 20s), married, and extremely conservative- and your typical close-minded guy-from-rural-Texas attitude. I was stunned to learn yesterday that he and his wife watch Idol (I get a TON of shit from my boss/coworkers for my interest), and that his wife was semi-upset that Allison went home last week. The ensuing conversation went like this: Guy- “Yeah, but my wife likes that Danny Gokey because his wife just died; you know he’s a Christian, right?” Me- “I’m guessing you don’t like Adam.” Guy-” HELL NO! If that f*g wins, it will just go to show what this country is coming to- a bunch of queers. We are a CHRISTIAN nation, and we do not need THAT as our ‘Idol’ !” I was then subjected to a heated 30 minute discussion between him and my 75 year old conversative boss as to why the gays and lesbians of this country were proof that it’s not about politics, it’s about the pull of Satan’s temptations and how God’s power would always overcome him. Needless to say, I kept my mouth shut.

*end rant*

“I stand by my prior views that Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s recent rock performances merely suffered from the need to truncate them to 1:40 while still showcasing his vocals”

No, they suffered from Adam’s innate bad taste. He doesn’t know when enough’s enough. He hits the highs because he can, not because they serve the song better. A great singer knows when to let it hang out and when to haul it in–and he/she never loses complete control, ever. Adam doesn’t have this bullshit detector. The result is bombast.

I have heard that performing on stage and recording in a studio are indeed two totally different skills. I will have to read the article but you know Adam does tend to OTT which doesn’t always record well. Less can be more in the studio as well.

The latter is not an easy skill to master for many newbies to the process and it depends on the communication between the producer and the performer. However in the end it is the final product that matters and I have heard nothing about good things about the studio versions of Adam’s songs.

FWIW- My husband and I got married when he was 2 years into his bachelors and I was into my masters degree. I finished and he went on to get his masters and PhD.

I heard Cook isn’t feeling well. I hope he is ok. I am sure it if difficult dealing with his brother and everything.

ETA:

“I work with a guy who is my age (mid 20s), married, and extremely conservative- and your typical close-minded guy-from-rural-Texas attitude.”

Not all “Christians” are closed minded gay haters. Believe me, the ones that are like that are also haters of many others who are not like them.

I believe the appropriate way of phrasing all of this is not that people actually hate Danny Gokey personally or any of the finalists, merely that one does not prefer their style of singing whether vocally or stylistically or both.

The pimping is not in anyway the fault of any of the finalists. That is the judges and the producers. The contestants who are being pimped or the contestants who get thrown under the bus have no control over that.

Don’t hate the playa, hate the game, bwah.

Because however this is TV, we tend to overidentify with the contestants as if we truly know them well enough to make those kind of personal assessments when in reality we don’t.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I stand by my prior views that Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s recent rock performances merely suffered from the need to truncate them to 1:40 while still showcasing his vocalsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

No, they suffered from Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s innate bad taste. He doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know when enoughà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s enough. He hits the highs because he can, not because they serve the song better. A great singer knows when to let it hang out and when to haul it inà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and he/she never loses complete control, ever. Adam doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have this bullshit detector. The result is bombast.

Well then, we’ll agree to disagree.

My opinion is mine, yours is yours. Mine is informed both by my personal musical experiences and preferences, as well as from hearing all of Adam’s studio recordings too. Because those are really good across the board, with spectacular vocals that fit the songs, musically and lyrically, I cannot agree that Adam never knows when to reign it in.

My opinion stands — for what it is.

I don’t hate Danny or his fans at all. I do not, however, think that he is a very good singer. And I do HATE the judges constantly saying how he is so great and has such a gift. I think that Adam and Kris are truly gifted.

IMO Danny has a tendency to shout, seems to have difficulty with phrasing and rhythm, and has breath control issues. He also consistently gets “off pitch” with his high notes. It seems to me that he doesn’t understand his own vocal limitations. For me, I think that he could have had a breakthrough performance last night if he did a rougher, raspy R&B version of YASB. The arrangement with the strings made it feeling like a wedding performance to me. (Oh, I forgot, Simon called it a “vocal master class”)

Finally, I also HATE Danny’s Heart and other signs. Secret signs to a certain fan group just seems like he is excluding people — like me.

Sarah
For me, my dislike of Danny Gokey has absolutely nothing to do with who he is, what he represents, who he voted for, or any of the type of things that are irrelevant to a singing competition. It has everything to do with the fact that *I* feel that he has been consistently overpraised for mediocre performances. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think his voice is spectacular and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not convinced that he really knows how to use it to its strengths and abilities. Either that, or heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s vastly overconfident about said strengths and abilities. Last week proved that.

I concur. Completely. It has nothing to do with who he IS (I could not care less about the inner workings of his brain, or how he eats his cereal, or how he treats his dog/mother/neighbour) – but it *does* have to do with the performances he has delivered (or failed to deliver) on the show – and the consistent and persistent *pimping* he has received from the judges. The guy is clueless when it comes to interpreting and arranging songs, and he can’t perform his way out of a paper bag.

Edit: I hit “submit” prematurely.

I liked Danny for 1 show. I didn’t watch the auditions (highly recommended) so I had no knowledge of the wife except for what I read on here. He now gets on my nerves like Kellie Pickler did for me in her season perhaps worse because of the judges. This is strictly in terms of a tv personality – I have no knowledge of the guy in real life. Frankly, I don’t really like Adam much either and he is definitely not attractive to me – gay or straight…just ewwwwww.

I may be totally wrong, but I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think so. I will bet my entire fortune (6 dollars and 28 cents) that Danny, if he wins, will be the least successful idol ever and that by this time next year he will pretty much have faded off the face of the earth.

I will bet the same that despite all that we arguing now, next year if Danny wins or not will be resurrected as a punching bag, like other contestants from previous seasons, ie Clay, Archie, Sanyaya (sp?)…, are used in some blogs…

What I said last night is that just because he CAN doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean he SHOULD. Just because he à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  hit all those notes doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean he à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“shouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  do it all the time.

Exactly. It’s like Matt and his riffing/falsetto in practically every song (maybe it was every song). Slezak asked him about it and he said he felt he had to do it to make an impression every week. Well, I don’t think it works that way, Matt G. If you go to the same bag of tricks every week, it becomes boring. Tricks have more power if you don’t show them all the time. So, riff this week, falsetto next week or something. If you can’t survive a week without throwing every trick in the book against the wall, you aren’t going to survive in the end.

My understanding is that the audience grows exponentially at this stage à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  Top 3 and on. New people, new potential voters/fans to impress, some for the first time. Yeah, some whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been around since day one will say what Adam chooses today is not necessary cuz we all know he can hit major notes and display stratospheric range and control. But for the new viewers, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s starting from scratch.

But Adam had two songs to sing last night. He didn’t have to show the stratospheric range and control both times. By featuring different singing styles, he has the opportunity to appeal to different audiences. “Well, I’m not too sure about that screaming song, but a LOVED that ballad!”. Remember, those new viewers wouldn’t have seen “Mad World” or “Tracks of My Tears”, so they are now left with the impression that all Adam does his get all screamy. That’s a mistake in judgement, IMO.

Nevertheless, I stand by my prior views that Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s recent rock performances merely suffered from the need to truncate them to 1:40 while still showcasing his vocals and effectively interpreting and emoting the lyrics.

Then, IMO, he picked the WRONG songs. If you pick a song that cannot be truncated to 1:40, then you have made a mistake. To stay in this show, you have to convince people to vote for you (iTunes sales are nice sideline, but TPTB don’t factor that into your vote total. They may factor it into your pimping, though). If you sing a song that doesn’t work at 1:40, then you will have a tougher time getting votes. So pick a different song. The 1:40 (or so) time limit has been in effect for 8 seasons. It’s not a surprise and it isn’t a rule they’ve invoked to hobble Adam. So, he doesn’t get a pass from me on this one.

No, they suffered from Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s innate bad taste. He doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know when enoughà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s enough. He hits the highs because he can, not because they serve the song better. A great singer knows when to let it hang out and when to haul it inà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and he/she never loses complete control, ever. Adam doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have this bullshit detector. The result is bombast.

I agree completely with this assessment. Review the musical discography of one Robert Plant. For example. Nuance is a wonderful thing. Adam can do it – Mad World was his example.

Every year I see comments about “hating”, “dislikiing”, but of course it’s not personal. The comments seem to stem from a contestant that receives “undeserved praise and pimping”. What I don’t understand about this is what a viewer would want the overpraised or overpimped contestant to do. Should Danny say, wait a minute Paula, I sucked tonight, why are you praising that performance? Should Adam say, oh no Simon, please don’t call Bono just for me?

It has never made sense to me and never will. These kids are pawns in a huge money making show. There is no way I can make a judgement about their true personalities based on what I see in 20 second sound bites.

Not all à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Christiansà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  are closed minded gay haters. Believe me, the ones that are like that are also haters of many others who are not like them.

Another distinction worth pointing out is that not all “Christians” agree on the definition of what a Christian is. Not everyone who calls themselves “Christian” agrees that everyone else who calls themselves “Christians” are in fact actually Christians.

My intent, I hope it’s clear, is not to say who is and is not a Christian or what makes a person one. I’m just observing that not all “Christians” are on the same page with regards to who can legitimately call themselves one. And that probably comes into play in some of these differences of opinion on some of these subjects.

I think One suffered from truncation far more than Cryin. And for that you can’t blame Adam as it was not his choice.

Should Danny say, wait a minute Paula, I sucked tonight, why are you praising that performance?

Yes, I would love that actually!

I can compare my feelings about Danny Gokey to my opinions of Dominos Pizza. I have said on numerous occasions that I hate Dominos Pizza. I prefer Rusty’s ( a local chain). But I can acknowledge the fact that a lot of people really like Dominos. I find the sauce to be much to sweet, the middle never seems cooked…etc. Nonetheless, my self-proclaimed hate is really just a crudely stated preference. I don’t lay in my bed wishing harm to Domino’s pizza or it’s patrons…I just prefer a different slice of pie. I’m guessing this is exactly how the majority of “Gokey Haters” feel…although I could be wrong! I just don’t think that there is as much drama as is being portrayed!!!

I agree with whomever posted that the Gokey hate aricle was self-indulgent on the part of the writer. Gokey is a reality television contestant. That’s pretty much signing up for some hate right there.

Danny’s main problem to me is that he’s out of his league. He tries too hard to be things he is not. He lacks self-awareness and social finesse. Add to that undeserved praise from the judges at the expense of more talented contestants, and yeah, he’ll get his share of hate. He’s an easy target. I don’t think its personal or malicious. He’s just a character, really.

Kirsten well put

If you go to the same bag of tricks every week, it becomes boring. Tricks have more power if you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t show them all the time. So, riff this week, falsetto next week or something. If you canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t survive a week without throwing every trick in the book against the wall, you arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t going to survive in the end.

I remember Rockstar INXS when JD Fortune pulled out his falsetto very late in the game and blew everyone away – no one realized he had one.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just observing that not all à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Christiansà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  are on the same page with regards to who can legitimately call themselves one.

Yes, according to some, there is an exclusive “Christian” club, based on their definition. Just to be clear on my last post, the reason I put quotes around the word “Christian” is because some people call themselves that but the way they hate is not very Christian.

Keeping a tally….so far its about 50/50.

I do believe danny should be part of the blame why people hate him so much.

He was my pick to win at top 36, at that time, adam doesn’t do anything for me. but as each week goes by, danny bothers me more and more, until i fall in love with adam after mad world.

and when i read danny upset adam’s little fan girl, i officially hate him

“I did wonder, ‘Why do they want me?’

Omigosh, I laughed so hard I couldn’t breathe. Somebody else tell me they laughed when they read that, or am I just being really childish? Heh.

I kinda get what everyone else is saying about the article being a bit biased, but the first time I read it, I just took it as the three guys just being themselves. Danny is an emotional guy who wants to change the world. Adam is a goof who wants to entertain, and Kris is an understated dude who just wants to make music. I don’t see anything wrong with any of those. I think they’re just being honest. That is who they are, and it just depends on who you prefer. Personally, Danny’s “I wanna make marks in hearts” thing makes me barf, Adam’s “I wanna be a Pop Star!” makes me chuckle, and I love Kris, but that’s just me. YMMV.

It kinda shocks (and amuses) me how much Adam spends on clothes though. Ye Gads. :eek_wp:

My understanding is that the audience grows exponentially at this stage à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  Top 3 and on. New people, new potential voters/fans to impress, some for the first time.

In past years, the audience has grown, but the Nielson Overnight ratings are in for last night: “Idol” averaged 21.8 million viewers. That means that this week did not/may not have picked up a lot of new viewers. (Or that Nielson has screwed up the intial numbers again — like last week.) I get my final numbers shortly and I will be pleased if the ratings are bad, because I think that is good for Adam.

Note, in case you don’t know, “overnights” are local metered-market ratings service of Nielsen Station Index (NSI) in which household ratings and shares are provided to clients the morning following the day or evening of telecast. The should only be compared to other overnight ratings, not to the final rating.

It kinda shocks (and amuses) me how much Adam spends on clothes though. Ye Gads.

I have 52 pair of high quality shoes in my closet…most are designer stuff. I don’t think I’ve worn many of them more than once. I just love shoes! I’m entitled to one vice in my life…and they look so pretty lined up on the shelves, all color coordinated by heel height. Maybe they are really just a “house” accessory. No different than the paintings I used to buy.

The 1:40 (or so) time limit has been in effect for 8 seasons. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not a surprise and it isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a rule theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve invoked to hobble Adam.

LOL Who said it was? I offer my opinions on why the uptick in the performance is jarring. And, since I was talking about “One,” it’s a little disingenous to say he should choose another song, when he didn’t choose that one.

But, yeah, you make a good point about going straight and soft with One, and wild and crazy with Cryin’. That would definitely work for the world of new viewers.

Nonetheless, I still feel that Adam’s “bombast” as it’s been called here represents his interpretation of the lyrics of “One,” and I find it artistically appropriate even if not aesthetically pleasing to everyone in the truncated performance last night. That’s me and my view. Mileage.

Adam Lambert: Should he be Queen’s new lead singer?

When Billboard broke the news this morning that Queen and Paul Rodgers would be going their separate ways, it was hard not to think, “Well, what’s next?” Or rather, “Who’s next?” The late Freddie Mercury’s front man role is ridiculously tough to fill. Might we suggest Adam Lambert?

Every year I see comments about à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“hatingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“dislikiingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , but of course ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not personal. The comments seem to stem from a contestant that receives à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“undeserved praise and pimpingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . What I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand about this is what a viewer would want the overpraised or overpimped contestant to do. Should Danny say, wait a minute Paula, I sucked tonight, why are you praising that performance? Should Adam say, oh no Simon, please donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t call Bono just for me?

Maybe he should have done what the other contestants have been doing? Take it in, sieve out the dross, keep the gold? Adam just says thank you, doesn’t justify or talk, except to thank Michael Orland, Ricky Miner and the two guys tonight. (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) Kris just laughs (just charming, that!), Allison took it till last week, and what happened to her? Matt and Anoop looked hangdog/resigned. Do I have to mention Lil’ Rounds?

At least Danny locked his hands together tonight and did not self-applaud, tho’ he still seems to have Kara-itis (defined as not knowing when to shuddup) Just preview the performance night again, and time how long he speaks after the critiques. Even Ryan was rather frustrated ‘cos he knew there were time issues.

Flippin’ brilliant. I read it last night. I think it does justice to all 3, explains things a bit, fills in some holes. Confirms some notions, debunks or rounds off the edges of others. Great article.

And lolz at Tess’ “Carrie Bradshaw” impersonation. :=) Wow.

LOL Who said it was?

Nobody has. It’s just that I have read a couple of people claim that Adam is hurt by the 1:40 rule (and his studio track versions tell a more complete version), so I was kind of addressing that. It’s the rule, so if Adam’s performance versions are being hurt/suffering from the rule, it’s his fault (well, I think the producers should lengthen the time for singing, but they never listen to me anyway).

I offer my opinions on why the uptick in the performance is jarring. And, since I was talking about à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“One,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a little disingenous to say he should choose another song, when he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t choose that one.

I’m sorry. My mistake. I took your “Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s recent rock performances” to refer to more songs than just “One”. I didn’t mean to be disingenous at all.

I agree that he can’t be blamed for picking “One”, but I stand by my opinion that “One” would have kicked a$$ even at 1:40 seconds if he hadn’t gone all Adamzilla on it in the middle.

I disagree in that I think that “Cryin’” might have been better with a bit more time. Time to build and time to explore the choruses. Just my opinion, but I think it’s the one that suffered for the 1:40 time limit and not “One”. Perhaps he should have selected a different song there.

It kinda shocks (and amuses) me how much Adam spends on clothes though. Ye Gads.

Upright Cabaret must pay pretty well, eh? :wink_wp:

All I could think was, “Man, I’d love to go shopping with that boy!”

It kinda shocks (and amuses) me how much Adam spends on clothes though. Ye Gads.

I have 52 pair of high quality shoes in my closetà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦most are designer stuff. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve worn many of them more than once. I just love shoes! Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m entitled to one vice in my lifeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and they look so pretty lined up on the shelves, all color coordinated by heel height. Maybe they are really just a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“houseà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  accessory. No different than the paintings I used to buy.

Lol. I didn’t mean anything bad by it. People spend they’re money in different ways. If shoes make you happy, by all means, have at it. My shock comes mostly from the fact that I knew they had a relatively high budget on clothes, but I didn’t realize some of them go well beyond the budget. The $1,700 suit is really what floored me, but he certainly stood out, so I suppose it was $1,700 worth spending? I get most of my clothes at thrift stores myself, so I suppose it’ll always be beyond me. Lol.

Upright Cabaret must pay pretty well, eh? :wink_wp:

I was thinking that as well! I was like where is this money coming from? Does he just have an awesome savings or does he really get paid that much? I suppose “Wicked” pays pretty well. It is Broadway’s current cash cow after all.

The 1:40 (or so) time limit has been in effect for 8 seasons. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not a surprise and it isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a rule theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve invoked to hobble Adam.

I think that the 1:40 can be too long for some Idol contestants and seem like an eternity. It’s just with Adam’s performances, I always like them much better when I hear then again — and again. I almost always find the longer studio versions to be much more powerful performances.

It kinda shocks (and amuses) me how much Adam spends on clothes though. Ye Gads.

I just love the fact that Adam apparently knows a lot about fashion and cares about it. Plus, based on the USA Today article, he does know how to shop — so it’s real, not just an image.

Everything is so drab in the world now — big recession, 2 wars, health care crisis, etc. — we need a bit more fun. Plus, I have to admit to spending more than my share on clothes, too.

FWIW, I think they ALL were hurt by the shortened songs at one point in time or another in the season. I swear they were all shorter this year than last, or maybe the show being rushed just made it feel that way.

What really pisses me off is that if we are only going to do 2 songs each instead 3 I think they could have done a little less IGB (which is pointless and looks kinda tacky since they didn’t do a real show for it this year) and a little more sing time for each song.

That said, I was glad to read that Fuller is planning on moving to hour and a half shows next year. Maybe that will take some pressure off of Bruce’s feeble brain and improve the directing. Cause this year has been a clusterfuck of epic proportions from a production standpoint.

When Billboard broke the news this morning that Queen and Paul Rodgers would be going their separate ways, it was hard not to think, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Well, whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s next?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Or rather, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s next?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  The late Freddie Mercuryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s front man role is ridiculously tough to fill. Might we suggest Adam Lambert?

That would be a FANTASTIC gig for him. On the off chance, that he’s shock-booted tonight, I suggest they hook that up immediately.

Because, saying it again, the judges and press keep calling him a rocker, but there is no way that 19R is going to allow him to be the style of “rocker” that he’s representing himself as. And there’s also no way that kind of rock will sell or get airplay.

A few years ago, I could have seen him sliding into the niche of the Killers and Franz Ferdinand. But, those groups are nowhere near Top 40 today, and I don’t think TPTB are looking for somebody who is going to dominate the ALT charts. So that means if they sign him, they will poppify him. Unless, of course, they plan on Daughtrifying/ Cookifying him….

Maybe that will take some pressure off of Bruceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s feeble brain and improve the directing. Cause this year has been a clusterfuck of epic proportions from a production standpoint.

Maybe Bruce should just be replaced. Or sent for training? Wasn’t there one shot last night where he completely lost Gokey? And that shot of Adam standing on his own face was just all kinds of wrong.

I’m not sure that 1.5 hours will help Bruce. They kept cutting songs and they still run over. It will probably mean we just have to listen to the judges more. It will likely be 6 minutes of singing, 8 minutes of intro packages/mentor schilling, 36 minutes of judging and 40 minutes of commercials.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sorry. My mistake. I took your à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s recent rock performancesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to refer to more songs than just à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Oneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean to be disingenous at all.

Yeah, I looked back to see where the disconnect was before you responded and I saw that too. My long, rambling (spending too much time here today, burning off excess anxiety lol) responses in this discussion should be treated as a rolling and not particularly eloquent conversation, I guess. LOL “Rock performances” really was me still talking about Adam and Cook, as I’d made the same observation last year with Baba O’Reilly and Dare You To Move and maybe others. Sorry ’bout that.

FWIW, I’m not even thinking in terms of excusing anything here. My attempt is to explain reactions to what seems abrupt about those type performances. Not to say, so and so suffered or was mistreated. Not at all.

If these guys (Cook and/or Adam) are “rockers” (not saying they are, just the POV is tossed about, and apparently Randy seems to think Adam is lol), then if they want to sing rock songs they risk the viewers being confused or less than satisfied with the effect of truncating those songs. That’s all. And, since I bought all of Cook’s last year, I did note with amusement that he seemed to get the best reactions to his 2:00 (or more) performances and the worst to his 1:40 or so songs. (I guess more is more for some.
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Well, sorry for Adam, but unless 19 Alphabet is very magnanamous (sp.?), or Queen is signed to them, too (not) Adam isn’t getting the Paul Rodgers spot.

Ding ding ding…we have a winner for my choice on “Shock Boot!”

Bruce.

Second Runner Up: Kara

^ :laugh_tb: Perfect!

“When Billboard broke the news this morning that Queen and Paul Rodgers would be going their separate ways, it was hard not to think, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Well, whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s next?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Or rather, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s next?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  The late Freddie Mercuryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s front man role is ridiculously tough to fill. Might we suggest Adam Lambert?”

That would be a FANTASTIC gig for him. On the off chance, that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s shock-booted tonight, I suggest they hook that up immediately.

I’m not so sure. Queen is great, no question, but with the way radio is these days they aren’t going to have another mainstream hit, even if Freddie was still around. Adam needs to move away from the Queen comparisons and do his own thing. He gets called a wanna-be Mercury enough as it is. Fronting a band who will never be as great as they used to be won’t help him. He needs to be out there making something awesome and new.

Regarding Adam’s clothing budget, I used to work with a man who went to Europe every year. He drove a tin can car and had holes in his sweaters but damnit, he went to Europe every year…to play old organs in even older churches.

I used to have neighbors (when we were young and just starting out) who had every kind of boy toy imaginable–boat, snowmobiles, ATVs. I told Mr. Gingerly that they most likely have their credit cards maxed out.

I guess my point is that people make choices on what’s important to them. Obviously clothing is to Adam but not so much to Kris or Danny. We all make choices on whether we want to buy a latte or lend more support to Pastor Rolex. I just wouldn’t want to have to dust 52 pairs of shoes every week…

Good USA article. Could have done without the writer’s snarky comment “But as is often his way, Adam Lambert takes the opportunity too far.” Sorta put a negative spin on the rest of the article for me whenever he talked about Adam.

But he seemed to get the rest right. Adam realizes AI isn’t the end all, be all and is just the beginning (hmmm – I kinda remember DC saying the same thing last year and not getting slammed for it). Danny’s I just want to make people happy is yuck, but I believe it from him. Kris’s interest in shopping, or lack of, highlights the major issue I have with him – he is a snorefest to watch on stage. Yes Kris has a great voice, but I cannot see myself coughing up money to see him in concert.

If these guys (Cook and/or Adam) are à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“rockersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (not saying they are, just the POV is tossed about, and apparently Randy seems to think Adam is lol), then if they want to sing rock songs they risk the viewers being confused or less than satisfied with the effect of truncating those songs.

See, and this is another reason why think rockers should just say “no” to rock songs on Idol. I get the appeal of wanting to cover your Idol, but I just don’t think it ends well. I think, at least in recent years, it’s better if you sing songs not directly in your wheelhouse. Plus, I think you are right, rock songs sung in a rock style that are truncated to 1:40 don’t really work. I don’t think it would be as obvious if you switched up the arrangement because you break the expectation/comparison. It already sounds different so you don’t notice missing bits as much.

Some genres already feature short songs (Rat Pack songs are about 2 minutes long) and some songs are just easier to truncate.

So true Starrlight. It made no sense to me why they did an Idols Give Back “update” when they couldn’t be bothered with doing a show this year. It felt like show filler – and dear God AI does not need more show filler.

Any news yet on what happens next week? Final 2 – will we get 3 songs next week – producer’s choice (Clive Davis maybe?, contestant’s choice, and coronation song.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not so sure. Queen is great, no question, but with the way radio is these days they arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t going to have another mainstream hit, even if Freddie was still around. Adam needs to move away from the Queen comparisons and do his own thing. He gets called a wanna-be Mercury enough as it is. Fronting a band who will never be as great as they used to be wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t help him. He needs to be out there making something awesome and new.

But, that’s the thing. I don’t think Adam, from what we’ve seen of him, fits with “mainstream” at all. Not as a rock artist anyway. But, it’s fairly clear that HE sees himself as a rocker.

Now some people have suggested he could become Lord Ga-Ga, and I could see that happening. But, that’s not rock in any sense. And since I don’t believe for a second that Sony thinks they can make him into Daughtry/Cook re-redux, then they’re going to have to take him in that general direction– perhaps not necessarily Ga-Ga-esque, but within the dance-pop vein.

It made no sense to me why they did an Idols Give Back à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“updateà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  when they couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be bothered with doing a show this year. It felt like show filler – and dear God AI does not need more show filler.

The IGB segment appeared to be a paid product placement from Exxon.

Maybe they should put logos all over the contestants and then we could get more and longer performances? Kind of like NASCAR.

The better do 3 each for the Final this year!!

first full video of david a’s ”meet and bye” at the mall of asia yesterday or today… can’t keep up with the time zone difference……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlEWlm2HKr4&eurl=http://archuletaphilippines.com/&feature=player_embedded

See, and this is another reason why think rockers should just say à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“noà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to rock songs on Idol.

Unless they ensure that the arrangement is different and not so rock style, as you point out, or insist that the performance include at least 2 minutes, I would agree. This effect has occurred enough times for me to see it as not optimal, even if rock is my preferred genre.

For kicks, just a few (neither comprehensive or conclusive) examples: Cook’s ABMB was 2:07, All I Really Need was 2:08, All Right Now was 2:11, Billie Jean was 2:14, ISHFWILF was 2:15, while Dare You to Move was 1:36, I’m Alive was 1:34, Innocent and Hungry Like the Wolf were 1:45, and Baba O’Reily was 1:50. (Music of the Night clocks in at 2:31, Damn!) Nearly all of Adam’s are well over 2:00, except RoF and the two this week, which I believe were around the 1:40 mark. Oddly enough. (Three notables that break the mold for Cook are as you point out, either not rock or different enough for the shortening not to be so troubling — Hello, Little Sparrow, and First Time Ever I Saw Your Face.)

ETA: But WTF is up with Top 3 only have 2 songs and they still had only 1:40 for each?! What a bunch of crap!

But, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the thing. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Adam, from what weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve seen of him, fits with à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“mainstreamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  at all. Not as a rock artist anyway. But, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fairly clear that HE sees himself as a rocker.

I know, but Adam has the potential to do something new and invoative and have mainstream success. Queen was great, but they peaked a long time ago. They are never going to have the success again they had before. Adam needs to do his own thing, not front Queen. I have total respect for them, but their heyday on the charts is over.

And since I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe for a second that Sony thinks they can make him into Daughtry/Cook re-redux, then theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re going to have to take him in that general directionà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ perhaps not necessarily Ga-Ga-esque, but within the dance-pop vein.

Given his background, I could totally see him going in that direction. Is there anyone like that right now?

first full video of david aà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ meet and byeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  at the mall of asia yesterday or todayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t keep up with the time zone differenceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlEWlm2HKr4&eurl=http://archuletaphilippines.com/&feature=player_embedded

Thanks GG! Archumania…

That’s why it’s so important that Adam has to win. From what I can tell, he knows what he’s capable of, but maybe is not that skilled in writing melodies and lyrics to come up with songs, like Cook, or totally rearranging a song to suit his style like Kris can.

With the win, probably he can hire the best people in the industry to work with him? Many singing stars have expressed interest in working with him, and apparently made exceptions for him to sing their songs – Led Zeppelin and U2, and Smokey, Slash, Quentin Tarantino were fine with him. They wouldn’t have heard of him prior to Idol.

He’s got the experience, I’d have expected him to have the contacts in the industry from all his years in LA and his work, but apparently he couldn’t break through. So with the AI win, people would be knocking on the door to work with him. The only worry I have is with 19E and its people, and whether they will make the most of his talent. But I’m assuming that if he’s so upset with 19E, he can buy his way out like Kelly Clarkson did? Then they’d grovel back to him a few years later and ask him to grace their stage again like Jennifer H, Chris D, etc.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“When Billboard broke the news this morning that Queen and Paul Rodgers would be going their separate ways, it was hard not to think, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Well, whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s next?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Or rather, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s next?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  The late Freddie Mercuryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s front man role is ridiculously tough to fill. Might we suggest Adam Lambert?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

That would be a FANTASTIC gig for him. On the off chance, that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s shock-booted tonight, I suggest they hook that up immediately

I think it would be a very bad move for Adam if he wants to become an artist in his own right … even if he fronts a band he needs his own band, not for him to be a replacement lead singer in an already established band.

I love Queen, always have right from the start but Adam is only 27, he doesn’t want to be fronting a band of 50 year olds even if it is Queen. He’ll be seen as a Freddie tribute act. I don’t think it ever works out replacing a lead singer in a group that is so famous .. it’s just never the same.

I would have no problem him fronting Queen for a one off gig .. like at the Freddie Tribute concert at Wembley a few years ago where loads of other stars performed Queen songs, backed by Queen .. but there’s no way I’d want him to front the band on a permanent basis.

Danny- Don’t hate danny. Just hate the judges’ pimping of him since day numero uno. Also dislike his singing style , personal style (im shallow), & musical taste. I was also turned off early on by the family holding his wife’s photo (sorry, danny, you gotta share in some of the blame, im sure you knew to a certain extent that they would do that)…as a worship leader, he probably saw no fault in speaking about his wife (maybe saw it as a sweet tribute to her), but its a bit out of place/taste. I hope he’s a good sport and does visit Slezak and Kristen at the EW offices…epic interview, full of funny moments for sure.

USA TODAY Article: Found it interesting that Adam politely says he and danny have agreed to disagree on many topics. Hmmm, i wonder on what…LOL. Also impressed that Kris finally got to show some funny/sarcastic comments….and good to see the Kradam myth is true (to a certain extent!).

And what? no article on Kris’ blue (chipped) painted thumb? For the record, he did have it on performance and results night during RockWeek. Does anyone know if Allison or Danny did too? I wonder if it was done in solidarity.

Also, interesting that Danny’s family did not stand up for Adam (or Kris) after their performances, but Kris’ family did for Adam. (couldnt tell if they did for danny- due to camera angle)

And oh, Katy Allen? She’s always dressed a bit frumpy…babydoll dresses since top 13. Want to take her shopping…Katy if you are reading this, email me…lets brunch on melrose :innocent1_tb:

I would have no problem him fronting Queen for a one off gig .. like at the Freddie Tribute concert at Wembley a few years ago where loads of other stars performed Queen songs, backed by Queen .. but thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no way Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d want him to front the band on a permanent basis.

Totally agree. I believe he has more innovative creativity to offer and explore to see if it won’t take off or pave a way for something uniquely his. If it doesn’t catch on, well fine, but I’d like to see him try. I’m interested in seeing what he can do.

And, as a huge Queen fan, and even as I’ve had to eat my words and admit that Adam Lambert can indeed sing Freddie Mercury, I don’t think a gig that would amount to being a professional “Elvis impersonator” is quite what Adam should strive for right now.

But, just the suggestion is flattering for Adam right now, I would think. I hope it makes him feel good!

Apologies for post-hoing today. I’m nervously obsessing and can’t get any work done. Don’t mind me!

And what? no article on Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ blue (chipped) painted thumb?

Slezak mentioned it, I think. Speaking of which, his article on last night is hilarious(er than usual)!

Has this Rolling Stone article been posted already?

” How Adam Lambert Single-Handedly Saved à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  ”

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/13/how-adam-lambert-single-handedly-saved-american-idol/

And since I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe for a second that Sony thinks they can make him into Daughtry/Cook re-redux

I don’t think Adams voice fits in the same general AC atmosphere that exemplify Daughtry/Cook. Both guys have done and will do extremely well but they will also never be rockers. Even with all their album success I don’t think either one of them have been “played” on “rock” stations, and their albums are not distributed that way in the record stores.

I don’t have a clue where Adam will fit or if he is even going to have 15 minutes of fame after AI is over. He may not get a record deal but I think he will get (if he were to want it) a flower strewn path to Broadway. And, I also think, that he is better than a half baked fill-in for a “cover” band (even though it has old time members) like a re-hashed Queen.

I personally just don’t get the idea that every new artist has to be immediately slotted into an accepted genre’. I just guess there are a lot of music lovers out there that don’t think anyone else would be into something new and interesting. Music progresses, no matter how much some people can’t figure that out, and what may be “popular” today may be old hat in six weeks. I just want Adam to have a chance. If he fails…he fails!

I have a solution to the whole long rock song dilemma. Think outside the FM Classic Rock box.

Do Punk. There are a TON of songs out there that run barely 2 mins from The Ramones to Rancid and everything in between.

Or try Britpop. There are, again, tons of little nuggets of goodness that are barely 2 mins. One of the best pop songs evah (IMO) is The La’s There She Goes. Totally doable.

And this is more directed at the powers to be than the contestants. Fuller and Co need to refurbish their song lists and for the love of God, at least step into the 90′s!

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  How Adam Lambert Single-Handedly Saved à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/13/how-adam-lambert-single-handedly-saved-american-idol/

One quote from that article:

“For the past few seasons, Idol seemed to be dying of boredom, but Adam Lambert, a goth studlet with mascara, black nail polish and a falsetto from deep in the larynx of Lucifer, has single-handedly rescued the franchise.”

Excuse me, but am I the only one who thinks that is ridiculous! There were a whole lot of somebody’s who thought a lot of season 7′s final 10 were pretty exciting and there were a whole lot of somebody’s who were pretty excited about that finale and who continue to be excited about last year’s kids.

Adam may have saved this season, but don’t give me that Baloney about singlehandedly saving idol!!! They are trying to rewrite history and it ain’t workin’ on me. (Adam is definitely talented, but these kinds of statements are way OTT).

Should Danny say, wait a minute Paula, I sucked tonight, why are you praising that performance?

Very early in the season, Paula proclaimed, “See ya at the finals!” to Danny. It was poor judgment on her part to make such an early prediction, because now she is forced to praise him no matter how badly he may perform. Her agenda is set. He has to make it into the finals otherwise she will look very foolish for making such a premature declaration and her credibility as a judge will be shot. The stakes are particularly high for her this year since her contract is up after this season and also because of the bad press she got last year regarding her loopiness. I would wager that her choreographing the group performance a few weeks ago as well as her own performance on stage last week were both done to show the executive producers as well as the viewing public and media that she is still a viable performer/choreographer. This is her way of reminding everyone why she was selected as a judge in the first place and just how valuable she is to the show and why it warrants her a new lease on a contract with a hefty pay raise.

ETA: She made the same prediction about Adam too.

Has this Rolling Stone article been posted already?

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  How Adam Lambert Single-Handedly Saved à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/13/how-adam-lambert-single-handedly-saved-american-idol/

Seriously, media, stop doing this! I at first thought Adam Lambert was an inspired performer, just like I did David Archuleta last year. Then, my stomach turned when the judges started giving them verbal head with their comments almost every week.

I thought Barack Obama was an amazing speaker and used to tune in for all of his speeches. Then, the news media tried to convert me to Obama-ism, so I became an apostate.

I thought LeBron James was an incredible basketball player….

Do you see where I’m going with this? Stop force-feeding me! I don’t enjoy the sensation of choking.

Oh and also re: American Idol being “back on top” thanks to Adam? The Nielsen ratings say otherwise.

LOL noctem, you must have been a parent’s dream, what with the advantage of reverse psychology and all. ;-P

ETA: Is it my imagination, or was there not a similar article in RS last year, basically saying the same things (well not exactly lol but you KWIM) about Cook?

Noctem,

Well said. At least with David Archuleta, It was only the judges– deifnitely not the media, and it certainly wasn’t every week. I feel that when he got good comments, it was well deserved, although Simon should have toned down his comments on the finale. (IMO, he knew what he was doing)

With Adam, the media is going hog wild making OTT statements, and they ARE shoving it down our throats.

Weareallinnocent- From what I remember, the media definitely loved Cook, but it was NOTHING compared to their Adam love.

But, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the thing. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Adam, from what weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve seen of him, fits with à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“mainstreamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  at all. Not as a rock artist anyway. But, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fairly clear that HE sees himself as a rocker.

I think he sees himself as a lot of things. He can definitely do rock, but I don’t think he wants to be limited to that. His pre-Idol stuff includes some electronic sort of stuff as well. Personally, I don’t think that stuff is all that great (sorry, Adam), but I also tend to hate electronic music, so my opinion might not be that valid.

I’d buy an Adam rock album in a second, but I’d probably pass on anything with an electronic twinge. As much as I love the guy, I have to stay true to what I actually LIKE in an album, you know?

I do hope, though, that we don’t completely lose cabaret Adam once he’s out on his own, because he sure does sing a beautiful song with a beautiful voice.

Loved this Rolling Stone article:
How Adam Lambert Single-Handedly Saved à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

American Idol is back on top, and ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all one little black-leather-clad demon princeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fault. For the past few seasons, Idol seemed to be dying of boredom, but Adam Lambert, a goth studlet with mascara, black nail polish and a falsetto from deep in the larynx of Lucifer, has single-handedly rescued the franchise.

He can do sincerity and ridiculosity all at once, exactly the algorithm Idol has been striving for all these years. Lambert combines the different Idol archetypes, delivering the complete star thrill heretofore doled out one sliver at a time.

He has the burning à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“say my name, bitchà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  thing of Chris Daughtry, the cutthroat vanity of a Carrie Underwood, but also that innocent desire to give pleasure à   la Kelly Clarkson. He packs a whole Gong Show of Americana into one pair of striped spandex tights.

Where the hell did they find this guy? Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“boy who fell to Earthà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  quality about him, like David Bowieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Lady Stardust come to life. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a little hard to believe that, until a few months ago, he was toiling away as an obscure understudy in the L.A. production of Wicked.

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s easily the most fun Idol ever, a flam-bam-boyantly queeny California boy who has devoted his nights to making Midwestern housewives slobber into their tubs of Ben & Jerryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Karamel Sutra.

Whether heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s slutting up a rocker like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Born to Be Wildà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ wiii-eeee-iiyaaaiild!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ) or sobbing his way through à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Mad World,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  he oozes pure awesome-stosterone.

We donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know for sure if Glambert is gay à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  all he says is he has nothing to hide or deny à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  but if not, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the gayest embodiment of flaming youth by a straight guy since Bowie sold the world.

Glambert plays off the new gay stereotype that has been reality TVà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gift to our culture: the hyperfunctional gay dude who has his shit together in contrast to all the neurotic, insecure straight guys around him.

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/13/how-adam-lambert-single-handedly-saved-american-idol/

Danny said on the results show he laughed all nite about that note.Would he of said that if it wasnt all over the internet that nite.I know he wouldnt of.If hes such a stand up guy.Why not throw in i messed the duet up too.Sorry kris.
He tells the tv idol watching world he laughed.Then tells his local news He hits that note everytime but that nite.LIE.Do you really think that push from allison was a mistake.She smiled when she pushed adam.The looks i have seen on kris’s face and some of the others tell me all i need to know.Don’t like danny will booo him when i see the tour and i’m sure i wont be the only one.

nm

I believe not too long ago, Rolling Stone dubbed David Cook the most inventive American Idol of all time.

Adam is the new black right now, so they’re all over him. Next year, they’ll have a new pet rock whom they’ll dub the greatest thing since microwaved popcorn. That’s just how it works with, not only Rolling Stone, but the mainstream media in general. They need a new hot topic to get people excited. It’s their jobs.

Once again, letting the media decided what you DON’T like is just as silly as letting the media decide what you do like. It’s the opposite side of the same coin. I like who I like. I don’t care if the media gives said liked object a tongue bath or a lashing.

But Adam had two songs to sing last night. He didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have to show the stratospheric range and control both times. By featuring different singing styles, he has the opportunity to appeal to different audiences. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Well, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not too sure about that screaming song, but a LOVED that ballad!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

If Adam makes it through to the Final, I predict you will hear that BALLAD. The guy is all about market research and I believe he listens not only to what the judges say, but what the fans and critics say as well. He will go back to the drawing board and figure something out. I also think there was a time constraint issue with these two songs, perhaps because of a clearance problem and his trip home. Plus, I think he needs to ditch Orland as his arranger.

Once again, letting the media decided what you DONà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢T like is just as silly as letting the media decide what you do like.

I very much agree, and it won’t change my mind about who and what I like, but I am sick of media manipulation.

I agree, Jx223. I don’t think Danny has done all that much on the show to bring up his church or his beliefs. I think that those who are internet junkies know a lot about it because we seek it out.

I’m not a Danny fan because he didn’t live up to the promise he showed in the beginning, and rock is really more my thing anyway. But it truly has nothing to do with how he’s handled himself on the show. I don’t think he’s done anything all that terrible, personally.

ETA: Oh, you edited your post and just put “nm.” I thought it was a good post, although an unpopular opinion.

IMO Adam doesn’t fit into any existing category — which is why he keeps reminding me of some of the past “breakthrough” artists. People who became stars before everything was so corporate, market researched to death, and categorized.

What Adam chooses to do with his fame (after his AI year) is really up to him. I can see him doing a wide range of music, theater and acting. He is a spectacular dancer, too. (Although thankfully he has not done and “song and dance” numbers on Idol — way too “theatrical”.)

Adam has a voice that approaches the great Freddy Mercury, an emo-Elvis look, and an intensity that reminds me of Jim Morrison. He commands your attention (like it or not) when he performs.

But IMO Adam would not have become a star without American Idol because he wouldn’t easilly fit into an existing box.

Win or loose, he is now a star — and one capable of shattering a lot of “musical boundaries”.

This article from MTV I’m posting is showing 2 things. One, the Internet is not in necessarily in sync with the real world, and second, I think there’s a generational gap here…. According to this informal poll, those under 30ish like Adam and Danny the most…. However, as we all know, the show is dominated by cougars. SO, it should be interesting.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1611315/20090513/story.jhtml

Well said Starrlight…

I don’t blame the judges for judging…I don’t blame columnists from writing and I don’t blame editorials for being biased. I am not intimidated or annoyed with strongly opinionated people UNLESS their opinions are not well thought out or constructed. The idea of being force fed by the media is lost on me as that is their primary function. To FEED information, opinions, etc.

I do have opinions on what the judges, columnists etc. say…but I don’t blame them for saying it…and I surely do not feel victim to any kind of agenda.

I wouldn’t say Adam is a star just yet, although he obviously has a good shot at it.

and that Rolling Stone article was also over-the-top. Obnoxious.
David Cook saved Idol. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

I’m not going to let anyone on a blog post tell me who to like or not like, I am not going to let the media do either, I laugh at the judges comments and do whatever I want to do anyway. I read, watch, listen, absorb, everything that anyone has to say….will it change my mind, probably not. I even listen to far right conservative talk radio in the car…and boy does it piss me off and I pound the steering wheel and swear up a storm. So why do I listen? Because it makes the time go faster, its fun, and it confirms my own self beliefs.

What I don’t understand is the sentiment that the object of the blog or the media or the talk show or the judges should be held in disdain. I sure wouldn’t be real thrilled if people made decisions about me because of what some other idiot is saying. That is called being narrow minded to a fault, IMO, and grossly unfair and unjust.

This article from MTV Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m posting is showing 2 things. One, the Internet is not in necessarily in sync with the real world, and second, I think thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a generational gap hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. According to this informal poll, those under 30ish like Adam and Danny the mostà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. However, as we all know, the show is dominated by cougars. SO, it should be interesting.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1611315/20090513/story.jhtml

I don’t think cougars watch MTV… do they? :blink_tb:

That just shows a few results. I have a feeling if you polled every Idol-watching 30-and-under-year-old in America the results would probably favor Adam and Kris… I think? I hope.

I really don’t like the tone of that USA article one bit. It came across as biased. Equating tipping over in a chair with Adam’s supposedly ‘always taking anything too far’ is ludicrous. Whoever wrote that went into the process with preconceived notions of who these people are. The result? Reinforcing stereotypes. Idiot.

That said – I’m really worried about tonight. Oh – I know polls on most Idol sites have Adam safely in the lead…..but not so much on the national ones. Take Yahoo for instance. The question was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“who do you think should be going home tonightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ : the majority answered ‘Adam’. Can you imagine that? ADAM. Add in a host of voting difficulties being reported across blogland – and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve got that Melinda Dillon feeling. It just doesn’t bode well. I WANT Adam to continue on the show. Oh, I know nothingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s to be done about it now (à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹que sera seraà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢) – but if Adam gets voted off Idol tonight à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m done. Finis. No more Idol for me. And Adams going will be sad for a whole host of reasons; not the least being I wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get to see my Glambert in all his leather encased, lip-curling glory. It also means that considerations other than talent won the day (something Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been afraid of since he roared onto the Idol stage singing à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Satisfactionà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ with more verve and panache than any other contestant ever). And Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve gotta say – thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s beyond disappointing.

The USA Today article– I had to laugh about Adam breaking Taylor’s record as far as spending money out of pocket on clothes.

It just reminded me of Taylor’s grandmother saying that she gave him her credit card when he left for Hollywood, but she “wanted it back.” :lol_wp:

That said – Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m really worried about tonight. Oh – I know polls on most Idol sites have Adam safely in the leadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..but not so much on the national ones. Take Yahoo for instance. The question was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“who do you think should be going home tonightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ : the majority answered à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢. Can you imagine that? ADAM. Add in a host of voting difficulties being reported across blogland – and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve got that Melinda Dillon feeling.

I’m worried too. Apparently, some Kris and Adam fans tried to vote for them but got “Thank you for voting for Contestant #1” instead. Also, a lot of IDF Adam fans voted for Kris the first hour, and Adam the second. If they like them both and want to vote for them, fine, but it doesn’t mean I won’t worry about it!

American Idol is back on top, and ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all one little black-leather-clad demon princeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fault. For the past few seasons, Idol seemed to be dying of boredom, but Adam Lambert, a goth studlet with mascara, black nail polish and a falsetto from deep in the larynx of Lucifer, has single-handedly rescued the franchise.

I am an Adam Lambert fan, but I think they have this backwards. AI rescued Adam and gave him an opportunity to reach a huge worldwide audience. There is nothing comparable to the exposure an artist can get on AI. It’s not only #1 show in the US and Canada, it is broadcast in over 100 other countries.

One could argue that the sequence of Daughtry demonstrated that a performer could use Idol to breakthrough even if they didn’t win. David Cook and Kris Allen demonstrated that you could keep your artistic integrity (somewhat) and suceed on Idol. And Adam has perfected using Idol as the ultimate star-making platform.

Did Adam save AI, no. Did Adam inspire young performers to look at Idol in a different way — sure, off course, he wasn’t alone. Rolling Stone should have also given credit to Daughtry, Cook and Allen — who also helped reshape the Idol machine.

Did Adam save AI, no. Did Adam inspire young performers to look at Idol in a different way à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  sure, off course, he wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t alone. Rolling Stone should have also given credit to Daughtry, Cook and Allen à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  who also helped reshape the Idol machine.

Ya left out a name. Bo Bice.

And for what it is worth, Adam gives credit to Cookie for showing that you could go on the show and not get totally sucked into the cookie cutter (no pun intended) pageant atmosphere that Idol can become.

I don’t think that the USA today article was biased. I thought that it was just a depiction of how the Idols spend their time. I don’t think that the writer was trying to make Danny look good and Adam look bad. I think that he was just writing about how they were acting.

Adam loving clothers and loving to spend money on them, doesn’t surprise me. Nor does it surprise me about him wanting to get more exposure from the show.

Danny and Kris seem more low key. They don’t have the level of professional experience that Adam does. They haven’t been in the business as long, so IMO, naturally it would make sense that they might view the AI experience differently than he does.

I don’t think that the writer was trying to make Danny look good,and Adam look bad, but were just showing their different perspectives.

As far as the Danny hating article goes, I don’t think that the vast majority of people that hate/dislike Danny do so, because they are jealous of him and his talent.

I think that most people that dislike him, don’t think he’s talented or very talented. I think that a lot of people legimately feel that way, about him, and it isn’t because they are jealous. But, I do feel like a lot of the Danny hate/dislike/negative stuff and some stuff that been aimed at his fans, is extreme and over the top.

And I think that Adam is talented, but sometimes overrated, overpraised and definitely overpimped. And I don’t think that Kris is an awesome singer. I think that’s he’s good at choosing songs, but that he has a mediocre voice. I don’t think that he’s underrated at all, I think that he is overrated. I don’t want to see a Kris/Adam finale, but I think that is what we are going to get.

But regardless of my opinions of the three guys as singers, I think that overall are three guys are decent people. So even though I may not be a fan of all of them, I wish them well in whatever they end up doing. I hope that they can all at least find moderate success, if not a lot of success depending on what opportunites/breaks they get.

Once again, letting the media decided what you DONà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢T like is just as silly as letting the media decide what you do like. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the opposite side of the same coin. I like who I like. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care if the media gives said liked object a tongue bath or a lashing.

Well maybe you are wired that way. I’m not.

Last year, I was moved by Archie’s “Imagine”. I thought Simon’s “nineteen other miserable contestants” line was inappropriate, but whatever. Then, every review article, in essence, parroted Simon, and it got annoying. The following week, Cook said “Hello”, and I thought he’s just as good as the kid everybody’s drooling on. My opinion on this was reinforced after Eleanor Rigby and, obviously, Billie Jean. And thus an underdog fandom was born.

I may be the only one on here to whom the NBA players analogy is relevant, but I recall watching LeBron James play at first and thinking, wow, this kid could be remembered as one of the game’s all-time greats. Then I started becoming progressively more enraged after reading article after article predicting he’d be better than Michael Jordan himself (my childhood hero). Around this time, I started watching this guy named Dwyane Wade play in the NBA and realized, damn, he was just about as good as LeBron, but hardly got any of the same hype. And so I became a Dwyane Wade fan for life.

Now, in the case of Adam and Obama, I didn’t have an alternate horse to back. But, that didn’t wash away the distaste I experienced from the way they were force-fed to me. That’s just how I am when you try to cram someone or something down my throat. It’s just how I digest things like this.

Just saw the DialIdol prediction. Surprising. Considering how much of a one-man-race the media and judges are making this out to be, I sort of expected this year’s Top 3 prediction to look a little more like last year’s Top 3 prediction.

For the record, I still think Adam’s winning this. I’m just surprised his lead isn’t a LOT bigger.

I’m a bit late to the party, but I just wanted to add that I would love to go shopping with Adam too! I think it would be loads of fun!

I wonder if his own out-of-pocket expences on the clothes would have been even higher if it wasn’t for the fact that a lot of his stuff has come from skin.graft. Adam is friends with Cassidy Haley, who is one of the co-founders of skin.graft. I wonder if Cassidy gave him a decent discount!

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You’re right! I should not have forgotten Bo Bice who, among other things, inspired Daughtry to try out.

And for what it is worth, Adam gives credit to Cookie for showing that you could go on the show and not get totally sucked into the cookie cutter (no pun intended) pageant atmosphere that Idol can become.

Actually, it was remembering Adam talking about David Cook inspiring him that started me on the train of thought. Great minds ….

lol … this pic could open up the floodgate to sooooo many captions

http://i42.tinypic.com/28tbywk.jpg

Jolene, damn it, you’re giving me hope. But this number would mean all three contestants are so close that DialIdol cannot identify the most likely to go home –they’re all within the margin of error, right? However, they’ve been way off several times this year.

Hey, I wonder: if the three way is in fact extremely close, will Ryan say that on air, raising suspense for next week and giving an air of importance to tonight?

Or will they avoid saying it, if the leaders are Danny and Adam, so they can go on with their “these are the pre-ordained best of the best” storyline?

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The article you quote cites an MTV reporter walking around Times Square. Six people are quoted. One is a woman of 33 who likes Kris. Can you tell me how you got to “cougars” from there?

I believe not too long ago, Rolling Stone dubbed David Cook the most inventive American Idol of all time.

I don’t remember this and searched for it on RS. Do you have a link? All I could find were articles that were neutral about a “rocker” winning AI even if they were respectful in tone overall and those that were not particularly hopeful of his chances for getting played on rock radio. I really saw very little by way of superlatives; what praise that could be found was between the lines, if there at all.

Just saw the DialIdol prediction. Surprising. Considering how much of a one-man-race the media and judges are making this out to be, I sort of expected this yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Top 3 prediction to look a little more like last yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Top 3 prediction.

For the record, I still think Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s winning this. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just surprised his lead isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a LOT bigger.

For what it’s worth. Since the Top 8, Dial Idol has only made 3 safe calls:

Top 4 – Adam safe
Top 7.1 – Danny
Top 8 Adam

So it’s not surprising that they once again have it too close to call. And, I must admit that I would be happier if they called Adam safe.

I do think it is close, and I noticed that Adam dropped slightly and Kris went up in the Pacific time zone voting. Looked a lot like what happened on the Top 5 vote with heavy voting to save Alison in the West. (A lot of people preset their DialIdol selections to automatically split their votes for more than one contestant giving votes to whoever is lower in the vote total. SI Automated save voting effects the Mountain/Pacific Coast TZ the more than Eastern/Central TZ.

Well the voting is done now, and in a three hours we’ll know the result.

Hated that USA today article. I agree with the others that posted that it’s incredibly stereotypical and biased. Whoever wrote that loves Danny Gokey and thinks the way to bring him to the finale is to shamelessly put down Adam. Disgusting. He makes Adam sound like a bigger jerk than Constantine Maroulis. And Kris? There’s nothing of substance about the guy in the whole article.

I also HATE Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Heart and other signs. Secret signs to a certain fan group just seems like he is excluding people à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  like me.

Danny is thanking his fans for voting for him. Remember Taylor’s Soul Patrol shout — same thing, only different.

I very much agree, and it wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t change my mind about who and what I like, but I am sick of media manipulation.

Woot!!!

“If Adam makes it through to the Final, I predict you will hear that BALLAD. The guy is all about market research and I believe he listens not only to what the judges say, but what the fans and critics say as well. He will go back to the drawing board and figure something out.”

An artist shouldn’t need to do market research to learn not to oversing.

Gilles just scored a gig on Brothers & Sisters. I hope he gets to be the one to break up Kevin and Scotty.

http://www.hollyscoop.com/tv/gilles-marini/gilles-marini-to-join-brothers–sisters_1702.aspx

^I love brothers & sisters…. the season finale was awesome IMO, so I guess I will be watching Gilles next season

Did anyone see Idol Tonight on TV Guide Network tonight? A fan was saying how much she loved Adam Lambert because he sings so great and can hit those high notes. One of the co-hosts, Brandon Rogers, responded with “Yeah, he can hit the high notes like the rest of the women.” Kimberly Caldwell, Justin Guarini and Chiekeze (Sp?) didn’t even know what to say.

Part 1 of vids from SIS in the philippines, Archie is on right now. Btw the play-by-play sounds hilarious.. evidently he does most of the talking.. its a variety show and they keep having local singers sing his song to him and yada yada LOTS of fangirling by the hosts and everyone LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAyK83447iw

i needa see the rest of this show….
He sings altnoy
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girls singing long and winding road:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUYnMtnwVN4

Interesting article reveals how much Kelly, Cook, and Archie will be paid for each of their concert performances at the San Diego County Fair this summer…

The amount the fair is paying each performer was also announced Monday. The highest-paid acts are Clarkson, who will get $175,000 for her closing night performance on July 5; Etheridge, who will earn $125,000; and Cook and Archuleta, who will each command $100,000.

source: North County Times

ohh wont let me edit LOL

Altnoy crappy vid but you can still hear it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unDRCYPxS98
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part 2 of SIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=–srTT1iZJU

ROFL the hosts are fangirling hahaha I cant help think what is going through his head the whole time during this show… haha

part 3 of SIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBVBggQgB_w

someone sings ‘im telling you’ and david talks about meeting kelly

Interesting article reveals how much Kelly, Cook, and Archie will be paid for each of their concert performances at the San Diego County Fair this summerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

The amount the fair is paying each performer was also announced Monday. The highest-paid acts are Clarkson, who will get $175,000 for her closing night performance on July 5; Etheridge, who will earn $125,000; and Cook and Archuleta, who will each command $100,000.

source: North County Times

I wonder how much each of them pays their band members. I would guess it’s most financially rewarding to be a part of Cook’s band, because they are members of an actual “band”, rather than just part of the backing band for a solo artist (if they perform with Kelly or Archie). But, this is purely speculation on my part.

lol part 4…they sing angels and 2 kids sing tmh… lol weird show… haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QicU9Tp_YT4

David Cook interview on the biggest and most popular pop station in the Philippines.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?z2mmlmqjvzd

Hmm…a reprise of “Hero” might be a distinct possibility at Saturday’s concert…as an encore?..

DA sings crush and heres the interview from Eat Bulaga(still trending on twitter, rofl)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCe_MUOvITA

wonder if anyone has the audio for DA’s radio interview? lol

oh found DA’s interview heh
http://archuletaphilippines.com/the-charming-david-archuleta-on-magic-899.html

bleh dont mean to make more posts… lol

I had to lol hard at this part of DA’s interview:

“One time I didn’t know what was going on, so I went to a fansite and found my schedule.”
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to make this post relevant:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/entertainment/view/429229/1/.html

American Idol stars checked for H1N1 flu in Philippines

MANILA – The two top contenders from last season’s hit US television show “American Idol” faced H1N1 flu checks by government doctors after landing in the Philippines to perform a concert, officials said Thursday.

David Cook and David Archuleta, winner and runner-up respectively of the seventh season of the highly popular reality show, immediately consulted their lawyers when quarantine officials came knocking as they rested in their hotel rooms late Wednesday, a day after arriving in the Philippines.

more at link

I was just watching all those David and David videos when my niece turned on the TV and who do I see? The two Davids with Filipino boxing hero Manny Pacquiao on the local news. (The two were apparently invited to Pacman’s victory celebration.) Heh.