Idol Headlines for 04/13/11

Jennifer Lopez to debut music video on TODAY

Jennifer Lopez, “American Idol” judge and newly named People’s Most Beautiful Woman, will premiere a new music video for “I’m Into You” on TODAY on Monday, May 2.

It’s her second single off her upcoming album “Love?,” which will drop in stores on May 3 from Island Def Jam Music Group.

Jennifer calls into Today to talk about her People cover and new music video. Watch it HERE.

Danny Gokey will once again headline at Summerfest’s Briggs & Stratton Big Backyard stage this summer. Danny is set to perform on July 6. More info HERE.

@IdolsNow: “BO BICE guests on “Good Day L.A.” tomorrow, Fox Channel 11. Show airs 7-10 AM PDT.”

10 Questions With Pia Toscano!

See the VIDEO at MTV

Those of you wondering why Stefano Langone hasn’t busted out the piano on one of his Idol performances yet? Last night he tweeted to a fan, “I’m not pulling out the piano unless its my music! Jus the way it is”

More Headlines after the JUMP…

Idol Meter: Can she survive in this man’s world?

After the voters suffered collective amnesia last week and forgot Pia Toscano’s number, the lineup looks like a boys’ night out. At this rate, American Idol will need a Title IX law to guarantee female contestants a chance. While we can, let’s look at the girl with the best shot, plus her most formidable competition.

Read more at USA Today

Crystal Bowersox Plans a Move to Nashville

This fall when her lease is up! Crystal answers questions in this CMT posted interview.

Via CMT

Sorry, ladies. ‘Idol’s’ just not that into you

Yes, “Idol” has a women problem. Every week that there’s been an elimination this season, at least one female contestant has gone home. The one time that the pattern might have been interrupted, the judges chose to reinforce the issue by using their one save on Casey Abrams. The following week’s double boot took out not one but two women: Naima Adedapo and Thia Megia. Of the seven female singers in the final 13, only two remain. All six of the men still stand.

Read more at MSNBC

The American Idol Implosion

What a difference a few weeks makes. At the beginning of March, the media (including this columnist) universally declared that American Idol had done the impossible—revitalized the show in its tenth year and survived the departure of its iconic star, Simon Cowell. Perhaps it even came out ahead, we all agreed, as the wacky verbiage of Steven Tyler became a national sensation.

Well, that was then. Now, it seems that all the clouds that had loomed over Fox’s Idol have returned. Last week, the distant rumblings became a downpour after the dismissal of an early favorite, Pia Toscano. Within moments of the results, an Idol backlash had gathered and burst, as fans and critics pointed fingers over the shocking ouster.

Read more at The Daily Beast

James Durbin and Paddy Considine: Asperger idols

First, “American Idol” contender James Durbin, the one with the fauxhawk who isn’t Paul, has been distinguishing himself this season not just for his shattering high notes but his groundbreaking role as “Idol’s” first contestant with either Tourette’s or Asperger’s (Durbin has both). Then, this week, British actor Paddy Considine, best known in the States for “In America,” “The Bourne Ultimatum” and the “Red Riding” miniseries, revealed in The Telegraph that he was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome last year at age 36, and spoke candidly of the “debilitating sense of detachment” his condition can bring. “Basic interaction with people — the touch of strangers — becomes a problem,” he said. “My response is to retreat into myself.”

Read more at Salon

Kris Allen’s Career Grows ‘Gigantic’ With First Acting Role

Well, it’s official: Small-town boy turned “American Idol” winner Kris Allen has finally gone Hollywood. This Friday, April 15, he’ll be making his acting debut on the season finale of the TeenNick’s “Gigantic,” a scripted drama about Los Angeles “it kids,” starring alongside Meryl Streep’s daughter Grace Gummer and Joe Mantegna’s daughter Gia Mantegna. But of course, Kris is still keeping it real: On the show, he plays…himself!

See the videos at Reality Rocks

‘Smash’ Prepares to Send Pilot Episode to NBC

The pilot episode has concluded filming and will be edited and sent to NBC for final approval. The plot will follow follow an out-of-town tryout of a Broadway musical, and centers around a songwriting team (Debra Messing and Christian Borle) who write a musical about Marilyn Monroe based on an offhanded remark. They post a showstopping number on YouTube. When it’s a viral hit, a producer (Anjelica Huston) who’s looking to recapture success long past decides to produce the musical. There are two choices to play Marilyn: Karen (Katharine McPhee), a talented young newcomer, and Ivy (Megan Hilty), a theater veteran. Brian d’Arcy James has also been cast as Debra Messing’s character’s husband.

Read more at Broadway World

Andrew Garcia – I Dont Trust Myself – (Cover)

via AndrewGarcia

Jane Lynch — Sparking ‘Idol’ Fantasies

“Glee” actress Jane Lynch innocently admitted her favorite “Idol” was super hot Pia Toscano … thereby launching some not-so-innocent thoughts and movie flashbacks. You’re welcome.

See the Video at TMZ

Backstage Interviews at ‘Dancing With the Stars’: Sugar Ray Leonard’s Exit and More Dating Rumors

Leonard and Trebunskaya spoke to TV Squad on the post-show press line immediately after the live results show.

The pair said they knew they were likely leaving after Kendra Wilkinson and pro partner Louis van Amstel, the lowest scoring couple in week 4, were called safe.

“After that, we were like, ‘Ahhh…,’” Trebunskaya said, her voice trailing off.

Read more at TV Squad

Rihanna Addresses ‘X Factor’ Rumors

“I just heard about it actually, but, yes, it’s something that I would have loved to do, actually. But our schedule doesn’t allow and it’s a demanding schedule to be on that show. You have to be around months at a time, which is impossible for me.”

Read more at MTV

Britain’s Got Talent adapts to life without Simon Cowell

ITV had its first glimpse of a future without Simon Cowell at the launch of the new series of Britain’s Got Talent, which will return on Saturday without the man who created it.

Cowell, who is busy making a US version of his other ITV1 hit, The X Factor, will not appear on Britain’s Got Talent until its final week.

Read more at The Guardian

  • SpenserJ

    Those of you wondering why Stefano Langone hasn’t busted out the piano on one of his Idol performances yet? Last night he tweeted to a fan, “I’m not pulling out the piano unless its my music! Jus the way it is”

    That is just a weird attitude. There are many musicians who are also prolific songwriters who still cover other people’s music while playing their instrument. Won’t play piano on someone else’s music Stefano? Then, I ask you, exactly how did you learn to play in the first place? Perhaps you were already a composer in kindergarten.

    Whatevs Mayor McCheese. Enjoy 8th place.

  • LoveDaRocker

    “I’m not pulling out the piano unless its my music! Jus the way it is”

    Translation: I haven’t found a song I already know how to play in the “cleared” list, given the tine lists we are given I probably never will, and I don’t have the smarts to learn a song I haven’t done before.

  • tripp_ncwy

    “I’m not pulling out the piano unless its my music! Jus the way it is”

    He did play keyboards in that awful boyband the guys put together.

  • tinawina

    That is just a weird attitude. There are many musicians who are also prolific songwriters who still cover other people’s music while playing their instrument. Won’t play piano on someone else’s music Stefano? Then, I ask you, exactly how did you learn to play in the first place? Perhaps you were already a composer in kindergarten.

    Whatevs Mayor McCheese. Enjoy 8th place.

    Exactly.

    Its okay to sing other people’s music, but God forbid you use a piano, because that is sacred. Yep, that makes sense. **sarcasm**

    I think this is the week for a dude to go home, and I think this guy is lobbying for the honor. LOL

  • cheese

    If Stefano wants to continue to hold onto the mic for dear life, stomp around, randomly point at things while he sings, and offer JLo his corny little hand, by all means let him! It’s bound to send him home sooner rather than later. All those pesky girls are almost gone.

    (I am glad that he can’t perform his own music, because I remember him doing an original song on piano for his final Hollywood audition and it was terrible.)

    I shouldn’t pick on Stefano, I would be just as happy if Jacob went home this week.

  • desiree_chick

    Wow….Stefano, man, really? Seriously, just… I have no clue why I am so baffled, but…ugh, just…I’am really turned off, now. As a fan, I was really rooting for him to get it together because I STILL, still do believe he has such potential. That is, until he realizes how to fucking harness it and stop acting clueless. But that attitude, Jesus. You guys have no clue, as a fan, how much that breaks my heart. This kid clearly needed a few more years to clear that bull-headed attitude before being on AI stage. *sigh* You’ve officially lost me, Stefano. Good luck tonight, kid, ’cause you’ll need it.

    ETA: also, that statement was a reality check for me not to be THAT invested in anyone on this show, knowing that if the people you like might be under-performing the way he has, and can’t get a grasp on getting better. Boy, a big fat whatever from me to him (for you, for me)

  • SpenserJ

    I think this is the week for a dude to go home, and I think this guy is lobbying for the honor. LOL

    I agree :). However, if Jacob does another talking head informing America that if we fail to vote for him, then we’re the problem, all bets are off. (also – hip thrusts – those alone should have made Jacob go home last week).

    If the bootee this week is not either Jacob or Stefano, I might weep a little.

  • rkt

    Andrew sounded fantastic! Too bad idol’s stupid themes didn’t allow him to showcase his talent.

  • Nina1

    Stefano doesn’t want to pull out a piano, he doesn’t want to pull out a piano. I don’t see the big deal at all. Maybe the guy just wants to hold on to a little of the decision-making process and to his own musical core.

  • SpenserJ

    Good luck tonight, kid, ’cause you’ll need it.

    He should consider himself lucky that he’s not interesting enough to have more Twitter followers. So only a small percentage of the viewers actually get to see his stupid proclamations.

  • abbysee

    If there were ever a time to read MJ’s big blog, Stefano Langone, today is the day. You will not progress further unless you change that attitude. I’ve been pulling for you, but this just shows me that you are stupid. Can’t vote for stupid. Thanks for making my idol voting finger take a rest this year. On the other hand, Scotty thanks you as if I decide to vote this year, it will be only for him now.

  • MrDuffin

    What Stefano is saying is that since Nigel has now said he knows who is going to win then why should he waste his time breaking out the piano. He will be just as well off just signing and getting it over with.

  • tinawina

    If the bootee this week is not either Jacob or Stefano, I might weep a little.

    I don’t think it can be avoided. One of them is toast. LOL

    Changing topics: The Rushfield article (the one form the Daily Beast) and the MSNBC article are both interesting to me. Rushfield digs into the judging among other things, and MSNBC rips into the casting of belting-heavy female contestants. Neither are saying things we haven’t heard before, but I’m wondering… Nigel has been pretty proactive about making improvements mid-season. Do we think he’ll urge the judges to be more critical and try to steer the remaining female contestants to be more modern and display more musician-type chops? It will be interesting to see how it goes.

  • standtotheright

    Maybe the guy just wants to hold on to a little of the decision-making process and to his own musical core.

    Because the producers have been breathing down so many contestants’ necks to play an instrument in any given week? Yes, not playing a piano is really a rebellious call this year.

    And I don’t know what kind of “musical core” some musicians might have that would preclude them from playing other people’s songs even if they sing them, but it doesn’t sound like a coherent artistic point of view that would make me want to support them later.

    He could have simply said “I want to focus on my vocals every week.” Nobody would have batted an eye. But he didn’t.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Andrew sounded fantastic! Too bad idol’s stupid themes didn’t allow him to showcase his talent.

    Themes didn’t stop others. After 3 days of practice & 5 takes, they finally got it right and posted the video.

  • Indigobunting

    Moved to country thread.

  • SpenserJ

    And I don’t know what kind of “musical core” some musicians might have that would preclude them from playing other people’s songs even if they sing them, but it doesn’t sound like a coherent artistic point of view that would make me want to support them later.

    I don’t think Stefano has a musical core. If he does, he hasn’t shown it to us yet. People accused Pia of being a robot, but I actually think it’s Stefano who’s been the most mechanical.

    Just close your eyes and belt out a tune Mayor McCheese, that ought to work. Better yet, how about you sing that Titanic song tonight? (And, tell your friend Jacob to pick one of those nifty tunes from the Bodyguard movie. We LOVE hearing those on this show. It will be a huge success :) ).

  • http://MJO judes

    Thanks MJ for posting the videos of Kris’s interview with Lyndsay & a sneek peek at his acting role. He seemed a natural playing himself!!

  • koshka

    I don’t think Stefano has a musical core. If he does, he hasn’t shown it to us yet. People accused Pia of being a robot, but I actually think it’s Stefano who’s been the most mechanical.

    I would completely agree. He hasn’t a clue.

  • Elliegrll

    Andrew sounded fantastic! Too bad idol’s stupid themes didn’t allow him to showcase his talent.

    The themes weren’t the problem, especially since he fell apart in the semi final round. He let the show get to him. He was praised for one song, and instead of showing something new, or moving on, he kept trying to recreate “Straight Up.” He knew that he was capable of more, but he was just too scared to move on from that one performance.

  • SpenserJ

    Koshka, I love today’s avi. You’re cracking me up :).

    He was praised for one song, and instead of showing something new, or moving on, he kept trying to recreate “Straight Up.”

    Indeed. Andrew was done in by his really bad strategy.

  • Lucy1234

    I think Danny Gokey might be ramping up to release his single-looks like multiple interviews coming up. Unless it is all related to the movie Sat. eve.

    I agree – Danny’s latest tweet also gives his fans hope the first single off his sophomore album may not be too far off.

    dannygokey Danny Gokey
    Hey guys how are u today? Im working hard on my new single.The release is coming very soon so stay tuned 4 more info. Lots of stuff brewing!

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    He should consider himself lucky that he’s not interesting enough to have more Twitter followers.

    Psst! While his numbers are still relatively low, Langone had this week’s second largest percentage increase in followers. About 30% of his followers are getting this statement as their introduction to his personality.

  • sma11ie

    “I’m not pulling out the piano unless its my music! Jus the way it is”

    Won’t play piano on someone else’s music Stefano? Then, I ask you, exactly how did you learn to play in the first place? Perhaps you were already a composer in kindergarten.

    Whatevs Mayor McCheese. Enjoy 8th place.

    Okay, I’ve been half done with him for weeks, now I am FULLY DONE (stick a fork in me!). Everything you said here.

    Translation: I haven’t found a song I already know how to play in the “cleared” list, given the tine lists we are given I probably never will, and I don’t have the smarts to learn a song I haven’t done before.

    That’s probably true—but rather than say so, he decided to cop out with a response that makes no sense. Honestly, fans understand that they have one week to rehearse each new song along with their crazy Idol schedule full of auxiliary stuff, so to admit that he doesn’t have enough time with all their obligations to get to the point where he would be satisfied with it would actually win some respect from me—it would show me that maybe he’s just a bit of a perfectionist, or that he’s got higher technical standards for playing than a few other Idols who’ve opted to sit behind the keys and play intermittent block chords the whole time, or hang a guitar around their necks only to strum twice in their whole performance.

    I remember in Brooke White’s exit interview with EW she admitted that playing an instrument was a double-edged sword because while she was more comfortable with it, it was more to memorize, etc., especially when it got to the week where it was 2 songs a week, and she was playing both guitar and piano. She also admitted that she would’ve loved to have had enough time to rearrange each week’s performances to a style that suited her best, but she works slowly, and most weeks, there isn’t enough time. I appreciated that interview so much, and it helped me understand what these Idols face each week to prepare.

  • Nina1

    I don’t think Stefano has a musical core.

    He may or may not, but sometimes it is hard to detect on a show like Idol. Maybe he just uses the piano for songwriting, or maybe he feels the covers he sings aren’t appropriate for accompanying piano: I just don’t think a lot can be assumed from what he said.

    Ms. Kaufman has the ring of truth, which, as it turns out, wasn’t reported correctly. No surprise there.

  • SpenserJ

    Psst! While his numbers are still relatively low, Langone had this week’s second largest percentage increase in followers. About 30% of his followers are getting this statement as their introduction to his personality.

    LOL – I was just looking at your list in the numbers thread, and that thought didn’t even occur to me. I wish I would have followed him this week, so I could have un-followed him this morning :).

  • Trina

    What Stefano is saying is that since Nigel has now said he knows who is going to win then why should he waste his time breaking out the piano. He will be just as well off just signing and getting it over with.

    If that’s what Stefano is doing he’s foolish then and hes a shitty game player. If anything he should want to work harder and try and perform the best he can to try and change how the voters work.

    Everytime I hear comments like that or anything pertaining to “no one else can win, game over” especially with 7-8 weeks left, I always think back to what Simon said after Billie Jean. By that point he though the competition was over and that it was just a waiting game for Archie’s win.
    http://insidetv.ew.com/2008/03/26/simon-cowell-on/

    I’ve got a feeling this year something strange could happen, particularly after what happened with David Cook last night. Because, I’ve got to tell you, watching it back, this performance he did on “Billie Jean,” in my opinion, was in a different league to anything we’ve heard on the season so far. It was so much better, [chuckles] he kind of made some of the other performances seem ridiculous. But I’m glad! He was smart — I know where he got the arrangement of the song from, but that doesn’t really matter. He was brilliant! And I was concerned three or four weeks ago that this was just going to be a coronation for David Archuleta and it’s just a question of who comes [in] second. I’m not so sure anymore. And, you know, with Jason Castro last night — there’s a guy who thinks he’s just sailing along, and I thought it was a bad performance. You give somebody like him a kick up the ass, let’s see what he can deliver now.

    So instead of just sitting back I would hope Stefano and the others that are left give themselves a kick in the ass and try and win. Thats what annoyed me last year. I didnt feel like anyone had the urgency to win.

  • SpenserJ

    Thats what annoyed me last year. I didnt feel like anyone had the urgency to win.

    I feel exactly the same way. I love it when these kids come out swinging and you really get the impression that they’re actually trying to win. And I do agree that the failure to create that feeling last year was what made it such a snore.

    I also think a little of that played into Pia’s “shocking” ouster last week. After weeks of the ballads, and her promise of an uptempo performance, I think viewers were expecting her to really come out and kill it. And, when she was done, people were like “really? That’s what we’ve been waiting for? Well okay then.”

    So, again Stefano, come on out this week and do the exact same thing you’ve been doing for the last several.

  • SparklesATL

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what Stefano said. He doesn’t want to play the piano unless it’s something he wrote himself. So what? How is that insulting anyone?

  • leome

    but I actually think it’s Stefano who’s been the most mechanical.

    I don’t think it’s possible to be more emotionless and karaoke than Stefano.
    Every week I keep wishing he leaves, and this week more than ever. But the judges don’t seem to want to tell the truth about him and praise him even if not deserved, so I don’t have any hopes anymore.

  • SpenserJ

    How is that insulting anyone?

    I don’t think it’s insulting to anyone. I just believe it to be a really strange attitude to bring to a show that’s all about cover tunes. And, I can’t understand the difference between using your voice to sing other people’s songs, but not your other instruments. Plus, I believe it’s dumb to not use every tool in your box in a game like this.

    So, basically, I just think Stefano is weird.

  • songsungblue

    I’m not sure how Stefano playing the piano is going to revolutionize his performances in any way either, lol. That’s going to turn Velveeta into Aged Gruyere? Somehow I doubt it. :)

  • Elliegrll

    I think what Stephano meant to say is what Smallie posted about Brooke White, he’s just not comfortable playing covers on the piano, especially since he doesn’t have time to rearrange the songs to fit his style. He stated it in an awkward way, but that’s his usual M.O. on twitter.

    It’s a shame that his attitude isn’t better, because he could really use something to get people to notice him, and he has the talent to turn things around. He just doesn’t have a clue about what he is doing, and it’s probably going to keep him from being signed after the show is over.

  • SpenserJ

    That’s going to turn Velveeta into Aged Gruyere?

    LOL – now that’s some funny right there :).

    I think what Stephano meant to say is what Smallie posted about Brooke White, he’s just not comfortable playing covers on the piano, especially since he doesn’t have time to rearrange the songs to fit his style.

    I cannot deduce that at all from what he said. Especially when he followed “my music” with that exclamation point. It’s possible, I suppose, but the statement itself doesn’t indicate that meaning to me in the slightest.

  • Buffynut

    Woa, Stefano! Way to not play the “I want to win” game!! He sounds a little clueless.

  • girlygirl

    press release on 3 concert mini-tour Kris is doing with the Berklee City All-Star Band (which is affiliated with the Berklee School of Music in Boston) in early May to help raise awareness for the need for music education in schools. Very cool :)

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Kris-Allen-Partners-With-prnews-1173114018.html?x=0&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  • sma11ie

    The MSNBC article was kind of interesting.

    It was as though [Pia] were competing to be the “American Idol” … in 2004. That’s less than a decade ago, but in “Idol” terms, it’s more than enough for her to be, as Simon Cowell might have told her, hopelessly old fashioned. Toscano was playing a game that had long since moved on from the obsolete tactics she was using.

    This, combined with the WhatNotToSing.com editorial that revealed how not “fresh” Pia’s song choices have been (only 17% of her performances in the voting rounds have been new to Idol!), help to shed some light on why Pia didn’t connect with the audience.

    This was also interesting:

    On the other hand, look at the highest-placing women of the past few seasons. Crystal Bowersox. Brooke White. Iraheta. Heck, just take a look at the last two remaining this year: Haley Reinhart and Lauren Alaina. None of them were the pageanty vocal acrobats stereotypically associated with “Idol.” For those, you’d have to go to Toscano, Thia Megia, Jones and Karen Rodriguez … who were four of the first five women eliminated this season.

    He conveniently left out Syesha Mercado, who was from the traditional R&B belter vein, and finished above Brooke but I still take his point. Had Brooke not unraveled at the seam and maintained her early momentum, she would’ve been the top female finisher. Anyway, I really like all these top female finishers that he listed above. I’m rooting for Haley and Lauren. (Haley is growing on me)

  • gangreen29

    A writer for E online pointed this out a few days ago. He said that Pia was competing on the basis of what AI used to be.

    While this concept might be right, I hate the idea of “what idol used to be” since it is cast in mainly negative terms by the fanbase, and tends to mean female and minority, while “new and improved” idol means male and white.

  • sma11ie

    They weren’t the best singers from their season, but people don’t buy music based on how well singers hit the high notes.

    Uh oh. You sound like Taylor Swift’s manager! Hee. J/K. I actually TOTALLY agree with your point. Though in the context of AI the singing competition, I do enjoy it more when singers (unlike Taylor live) hit the right notes consistently, in addition to that connection.

  • Reflections On Life

    great smooth harmonies on the andrew garcia clip!

  • Elliegrll

    While this concept might be right, I hate the idea of “what idol used to be” since it is cast in mainly negative terms by the fanbase, and tends to mean female and minority, while “new and improved” idol means male and white.

    That’s not what it means to me. I actually think that many of the previous winners would still win today. People like Carrie, Kelly and Fantasia did what they had to do to win back then, and they would adapt to the changes that have been made, and still be the best today. When they competed, the show was a lot more like a karaoke contest than it is now, so that made it harder for them to show people who they are, but they still did it even while performing in a style that may not have suited them.

    Based on just three years of data, it’s easy to say that the new idol is white or male, but this completely ignores the facts about the people who have competed over the past three years. Can anyone honestly say that Lil didn’t win or finish higher because of her race or gender?

  • gangreen29

    That’s not what it means to me.

    I didn’t say that it means that to everyone. It is just sometimes I see the idea being tossed around in a way that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. For example I have seen the first few seasons referred to as “ghetto idol” in several places, and while the people might just mean an inferior product referring to it in that way is in poor taste in my opinion.

  • ross

    Andrew sounded fantastic! Too bad idol’s stupid themes didn’t allow him to showcase his talent.

    Andrew is talented and I like his personality. He’ll never be a favorite with Idol fans because he didn’t do great on the show, but the show isn’t the be all and end all. He did his best. He’s a cool dude and a good singer and musician.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    The Usual Suspects? Take NOTE:

    This thread will not devolve into a Season 8 fan war. Been there, and done that and that and that.

    Keep this thread focused on current events, please.

  • CindyM

    Eh, I just think that the gap between what people like on Idol and what people actually buy has gotten wider and wider in the last few years. Part of that is the big slump in the music industry right now and part is based on the narrowing demographic of the Idol audience. If you look at Idol with the idea that it is a platform for performers to get known to the public and not the be-all, end-all, Idol still works and works well. What happens after that is the real test.

  • sma11ie

    I hate the idea of “what idol used to be” since it is cast in mainly negative terms by the fanbase, and tends to mean female and minority, while “new and improved” idol means male and white.

    I actually quoted the MSNBC article because I thought it made some interesting new points, but it definitely doesn’t tell the whole story. The author paints the “what Idol used to be” as something that crowned pageanty vocal acrobatics, when in fact, Kelly, Carrie, Ruben, Fantasia, while good at the vocal acrobatics, from what I’ve gathered from youtubes and such, were NOT pageanty. I do think pageanty vocalists used to stay in the competition a lot longer than they do now, but I wouldn’t say these winners I mentioned were pageanty. Carrie was somewhat stiff, but more awkward than pageanty. I don’t know, was Jordin pageanty? Maybe.

    Anyway, I don’t think pageanty vocals (if one is to concede that “old” AI was pageanty) should be equated with female and minority, though I agree today’s viewers tend to penalize females for being pageanty more and sooner than males. They also reward males for being quirky without strong vocals for longer than they do females. I think, and the author agrees, that Naima, who is female and minority, conforms more to his description of the “new and improved” Idol, but he speculates she didn’t do well because she wasn’t strong enough. Well… the quirky guys who’ve stayed on aren’t strong either. So yeah, girls seem to be judged by a tougher standard, and have to work harder to win votes on Idol now. It’s kinda like it is in the workforce, lol! It kinda sucks, but while I really think a girl can still win, I think she has to be way more awesome than the boys. JMO.

  • CindyM

    Based on just three years of data, it’s easy to say that the new idol is white or male, but this completely ignores the facts about the people who have competed over the past three years. Can anyone honestly say that Lil didn’t win or finish higher because of her race or gender?

    I think Lil was really talented, but what doomed her is what dooms many idol contestants, they don’t know who they are musically and let themselves be swayed by the judges comments each week which are so often contradictory.

  • rkt

    Idol has indeed become a sausage fest. If Kelly Clarkson were in this season, she would probably finish worse than say, Paul McDonald…

  • songsungblue

    Crystal is such a natural beauty – I’ve never been able to understand why she wasn’t seen that way on her season. People couldn’t look past dreads? She didn’t carry herself that way?

    Then again, I guess I didn’t get the OMG! Pia is SO gorgeous! memo. She looks like every other girl I grew up with in NY, but with better makeup. Eh.

  • koshka

    Does anyone know how long Kris’s bit is on the show? That should be some fun video when it gets posted.

  • ri

    for some reason or other, this is the point in the Idol competition that i actually pick up the phone and start voting. i don’t know why but i never feel compelled to do so before there are 7 or 8 left in the race. but now i’m starting to feel like it’s my “duty”. and i wish i didn’t feel this way but… neither Lauren nor Haley interests me even a little. as much as i would like to be voting for a female, i would never vote for Haley simply because i don’t think she is very good and Lauren annoys the shit outta me. (extreme guilt just washed over me).

    *great article by Richard Rushfield by the way.

  • fadetowhite

    I don’t think it’s just that Idol has moved on; I think music has moved on. When Idol started it was all Whitney Houston and Maria Carey. That big ballad sound is not currently big in the charts. But too many of the female singers of the past few seasons seem to be stuck in that same rut. When they haven’t – as with Crystal and Allison (that article is absolutely right) they’ve had far more success. ETA: or should that be when they haven’t and they’ve been good.

    It’s not just about vocals – although I think Cook’s vocals are great and Kris’s are fine, just not as strong as Adam’s. It’s about song choice, song interpretation, performance, connection: and so is music in general.

    I do think that Lauren and Haley have potential to stay in AI10 – and I really hope that they are around into the top 5.

    ETA 2: Where I do think the gender bias is very strong is in the male contestants getting far more of a pass when they are weaker performers: they tend to stick around for longer if they are male. And I have yet to expalin Lee Deweyze to myself…But, season 9 aside, I can’t say I’d disagree with the top 5 or 6 of season 7 and 8.

  • Fullmoon

    Idol has indeed become a sausage fest. If Kelly Clarkson were in this season, she would probably finish worse than say, Paul McDonald…

    The only Idol female winner that would maybe still win today would be Carrie but that would depend on how cute her competitor would be and if he was country too.

  • Valentin432

    Based on just three years of data, it’s easy to say that the new idol is white or male, but this completely ignores the facts about the people who have competed over the past three years. Can anyone honestly say that Lil didn’t win or finish higher because of her race or gender?

    Because there’s far more data at hand.

    Australian idol let contestants use their instruments from season 4 to 7, 3 of 4 winners were white male pop rockers who played instruments and lots more were in the top 5.

    Damien Leith singing the WGWG anthem

    Canadian idol let contestants use their instruments for season 5 and 6, both years a white male pop/rocker won with a lot others finishing in the top 5.

    All similarities with a previous idol contestant are fortuitous

    Last year was the first time a contestant on X factor UK played regularly of its instrument. Matt Cardle finished the winner and was first with a big margin almost each week.

  • koshka

    Crystal is such a natural beauty – I’ve never been able to understand why she wasn’t seen that way on her season. People couldn’t look past dreads? She didn’t carry herself that way?

    Then again, I guess I didn’t get the OMG! Pia is SO gorgeous! memo. She looks like every other girl I grew up with in NY, but with better makeup. Eh.

    IDK I thought they were both pretty girls. Pia looks better with her hair pulled back and to be honest, I am jealous of Crystal’s hair. I do with she would grow it out, because what is under the dreds looks like some gorgeous hair… but for only that reason. Its her hair she should do what she wants with it.

    rkt says:
    04/13/2011 at 12:31 pm
    Idol has indeed become a sausage fest. If Kelly Clarkson were in this season, she would probably finish worse than say, Paul McDonald…

    I agree. Among other things, some of the gals have gotten knocks for being power vocalists, but yet the guys sort of get a pass on that. Or at least the complaints are individualized and not generalized as a sub-category that has is over done.

  • fadetowhite

    Idol has indeed become a sausage fest. If Kelly Clarkson were in this season, she would probably finish worse than say, Paul McDonald…

    I didn’t watch Kelly’s season, but did see a few of her performances recently, in a redirect from one of Slezak’s articles and I’ve got to say I disagree with that.

    She had way more personality, confidence and colour in her voice and performance than pretty much any female performer I have seen on recent Idol seasons. And she didn’t have the polarising tendencies of a Crystal – she was far more mainstream.

  • Eileen99

    I think, and the author agrees, that Naima, who is female and minority, conforms more to his description of the “new and improved” Idol, but he speculates she didn’t do well because she wasn’t strong enough.

    I agree with this. I liked the *idea* of Naima and her desire to be current, interesting to watch, and a risk-taker. In the end, though, she just wasn’t a good enough singer and was too often off pitch. For what she was trying to do, being out of tune without access to auto-tune (like most Pop singers, heh) didn’t cut it.

    Paul, imo, while off pitch at times, finds more acceptance because of the folksy/quirky style he has, where being a little “off” is part of the charm and expectation.

  • Valentin432

    When Idol started it was all Whitney Houston and Maria Carey

    In 2002 Whitney was far removed from he peak and released her worst selling album with tons of other personal problems bringing her down

    Mariah had just released “Glitter” which I think speaks for itself

  • tripp_ncwy

    Does anyone know how long Kris’s bit is on the show? That should be some fun video when it gets posted.

    From the videos it looks like Kris will have two short scenes, one where he gets fired and another mystery scene with Tony Oller.

  • fadetowhite

    In 2002 Whitney was far removed from he peak and released her worst selling album with tons of other personal problems bringing her down

    Mariah had just released “Glitter” which I think speaks for itself

    Maybe it was just a perception I had then? What was current in US pop music at the time? Because if the big ballad singers were already out of fashion, then why has it always been such a big deal on Idol?

  • Kirkee

    Great article by Rushfield.

  • Valentin432

    Maybe it was just a perception I had then? What was current in US pop music at the time? Because if the big ballad singers were already out of fashion, then why has it always been such a big deal on Idol?

    I think it was becaus of the producers and Simon’s outdated vision of the music industry.

    At that time there were a lot of rappers, Eminem, Nelly, P Diddy, etc.
    Some girl pop stars but not the big voiced “divas”: Britney, Avril, JLo, Kylie, etc.
    Some “rock” bands: Chad Kroeger, Linkin Park, incubus, etc.

    If anything, the main difference is that there was more pop/rock and rock and less dance/electornica

  • Fullmoon

    Maybe it was just a perception I had then? What was current in US pop music at the time? Because if the big ballad singers were already out of fashion, then why has it always been such a big deal on Idol?

    I think in the earlier days Idol and Idol voters was more focused on who was the best singer that’s why you had a lot of power ballad vocals who can hit the high notes. It showcased what they can do and clearly a lot went on to sell well. The power vocal singers (Carrie and Kelly) are still selling so I don’t see a decrease in what the public likes. I do think a performing aspect has played into Idol where today’s music buyer wants not only a great singer but someone that can perform and work the stage as well.

  • fadetowhite

    I think it was becaus of the producers and Simon’s outdated vision of the music industry.

    You’re probably right!

    Simon definitely loves that style of music, from various comments he’s made…

    And maybe it was also a Clive whathisface thing – didn’t he manage Whitney Houston???

  • koshka

    I agree with this. I liked the *idea* of Naima and her desire to be current, interesting to watch, and a risk-taker. In the end, though, she just wasn’t a good enough singer and was too often off pitch. For what she was trying to do, being out of tune without access to auto-tune (like most Pop singers, heh) didn’t cut it.

    Paul, imo, while off pitch at times, finds more acceptance because of the folksy/quirky style he has, where being a little “off” is part of the charm and expectation.

    Well maybe that is my general issue with what I’ve been seeing this season. Whether you are belt, singing in reggae ;) , rock wailing or being all folksy, I expect them to be in tune. I honestly feel like personality & stage antics have taken over compared to the first few seasons of the show. That being said, I never believe that it is overly useful to pine for what once was, but I was hoping that moving forward we would have a vast improvement. For me they’ve only gotten half way there.

  • Joyed

    Megan Joy just implied on twitter that she is engaged:

    hints…I may have found a career home who supports my motherhood fully annnd I also may have found my soulmate who put something on my hand

    Aw, I’m happy for her no matter what, but I really hope everything goes her way. Cannot wait until she finally finalizes her music career so I can officially buy her songs!

  • fadetowhite

    The power vocal singers (Carrie and Kelly) are still selling so I don’t see a decrease in what the public likes.

    Carrie and Kelly are great singers, but I think they have continued to sell well, well past their AI seasons, because they put out strong music in their respective fields. Daughtry, who has also continued to sell well, is a good singer in his field, but is hardly what you’d describe as a power ballad singer.

    I think you need both, coming off Idol – the singing ability and the songs – if you want to sustain a career. Which is why I think Jordin, Cook and Adam (and Crystal) stand the best chance of sticking around for a while (ETA: of the latest batch; I take it as given that Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry and J Hudson will be there) if they have the right songs on their next albums.

  • Valentin432

    Scotty reminds me a whole lot of jaydee bixby the runner up of CI season 5, 16 year old old fashioned country crooner who pulled a lot of faces as well.
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x26lh2_ci-5-ep-1-part-3_music

  • Chicagolaw

    That was a pretty good article by Rushfield. But, I don’t think it’s teens and tweens who are doing all the voting. Personally, I don’t know a teen who watches the show. And, really, would any of these contestants be attractive to a teen? Stefano, Paul, Casey???I don’t see it. Also, if teens were all about this show, I don’t think there would be such a disconnect with radio; I mean, KISS stations actually WANT the teen audience.

    I still think it is females (and sometimes their kids) over the age of 35 who are doing all the power voting, and voting for the cute (or even not so cute) guy. These same people who are power voting will also be the ones travelling around to 14 concerts and gifting 20 copies of the CDs.

    Hope nobody is offended by this ( I’m 34, so I guess this is my demographic I’m complaining about)

  • Trina

    If Idol had found in the last few years any female even remotely close to the voice, personality, versatility that Kelly displayed I wouldn’t hesitate powervoting for her. They haven’t found anyone like or as good as Kelly though imo.

  • bridgette12

    Rushfield is right on the mark about Idol and it’s problem. The judges has reduced this show to giving everyone lollipops and pats on the head after each performance. I’ve been saying for weeks that each one of these contestants have some problems that need to be addressed and fixed. But the judges ignore it until the results of their their inability to be honest with the Idols, smacks them in the face(Casey almost ouster and Pia’s early exit). Noone is asking them to be Simon, just get a backbone and nicely tell them what they did wrong or what needs to be improved.

    As for the results show, I can totally do without stuff like visiting TMZ or photo shoots. Either reduce it to half a hour or keep in the way it is and stop with the tacky segments like TMZ. If they are trying to fill the time, just add another singer to the show.

  • lifeisgood

    I think Kris did a good job acting – he looked pretty natural….and naturally pretty:)

  • pattycake

    I gather from reading this post, that we will not hear Stephano play the piano. Let me go cry in my soup.

  • fadetowhite

    Chicagolaw: I guess I continue to argue against the ‘white middle aged women only voting for cute boys because they are cute’ dictat for two main reasons:

    1) I’m a fan of one of those male winners and whilst he may well be ‘cute’ (from certain angles) it is most certainly not the reason for my continued support of his career; (extrapolating from the personal to the general, because I don’t think I’m that atypical a person) therefore I think it’s too simple and dismissive a stereotype.

    2) I just hate the notion that white, middle aged females are a) all the same; b) have no musical taste or judgement; and c) are all slaves to their hormones slavering over whatever male morsel the television parades before them. The whole Casey (‘tell me I’m sexy’) thing this season, practically makes me want to vomit.

    Now, I’m not saying that women, of whatever age, aren’t just as disposed as men of any age to appreciate an attractive person of the opposite (or same) sex and to express their appreciation of that person’s physical features. And I’m not saying that there’s anything wrong with that – it’s perfectly natural.

    And I certainly haven’t been blind to the internet’s tendency to allow a small number of women to indulge in their appreciation of certain male contestant’s physical features to a slightly disturbing extent, where it would appear that those feature are far more important than any music could possibly be.

    But I’m not so sure that I take that stuff all that seriously; or believe that it is representative of any recent male’s female fans as a whole…

    I guess I just want to have a higher opinion of my gender than that…

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    I still think it is females (and sometimes their kids) over the age of 35 who are doing all the power voting, and voting for the cute (or even not so cute) guy. These same people who are power voting will also be the ones travelling around to 14 concerts and gifting 20 copies of the CDs.

    From the fan discussion I see, it’s not so much the “cute” — though there are certainly segments of any fanbase that chatter endlessly about hawtness and then wonder why they’re believed to vote mostly on that criterion — as resonance with a musical style that older audiences remember fondly.

    People of my parents’ generation hit their teens and young adulthood after the start of the rock era. It’s not unreasonable that some would associate “good music” with guitar-driven rock of a style that hasn’t been common on CHR lately. Certainly several of the Boomer-age men in my office insist that nothing good has happened to music since the year they were 23.

    Personally, I don’t like being stuck in the past, but I’m not going to accuse my (male) immediate supervisor of making his music buys based on rapidly fluctuating testosterone levels.

  • Shadow_i

    I don’t know why people are making an issue of Stefano not wanting to play piano unless its his original. Maybe the songs he wants to sing on the show don’t go well with piano, or he knows its better to have good beats accompanying his singing instead of boring piano. I know some cares about contestants showing if they play instruments well, but a lot of viewers just wants to hear good singing and not judging how well you’re playing an instrument.

    Also Stefano usually picks songs that have soul vibe that works better with good beats than piano. If he’s singing a Billy Joel song it may make sense to play piano – actually maybe better let someone else play while he focuses on singing. Those who play piano on the show tend not to pull both off 100%, and come across like they are pausing too much to look down at the keys. Stefano is one of my favorites and I’m not eager to see him or anyone play it cause its one instrument that bores me. He needs to be upbeat in his performance not boring. I want them to focus on vocals not hiding behind instruments

  • sma11ie

    I agree with this. I liked the *idea* of Naima and her desire to be current, interesting to watch, and a risk-taker. In the end, though, she just wasn’t a good enough singer and was too often off pitch. For what she was trying to do, being out of tune without access to auto-tune (like most Pop singers, heh) didn’t cut it.

    Paul, imo, while off pitch at times, finds more acceptance because of the folksy/quirky style he has, where being a little “off” is part of the charm and expectation.

    But that’s exactly what I mean. It’s a double standard. Naima was judged by harsher standards than Paul because she’s a female. Paul gets a pass cuz he’s a cute (?) guy with scary really white teeth.

    If Idol had found in the last few years any female even remotely close to the voice, personality, versatility that Kelly displayed I wouldn’t hesitate powervoting for her. They haven’t found anyone like or as good as Kelly though imo.

    I kind of agree. That’s maybe why I’ve been rooting for Lauren, because unlike the majority of people on the blogs, I find her voice, personality and (her little bit of) versatility enjoyable. Kelly was 19 when she went on Idol. If Lauren had waited 4 years, and included some time pounding the pavement and developing her character (heh) trying to get herself a record deal on her own, she’d come off way less like a little kid and a lot more likable.

    I’m a fan of one of those male winners and whilst he may well be ‘cute’ (from certain angles) it is most certainly not the reason for my continued support of his career

    LOL at the bold. If it’s who I think you’re talking about, I agree.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    I don’t think it’s just that Idol has moved on; I think music has moved on. When Idol started it was all Whitney Houston and Maria Carey. That big ballad sound is not currently big in the charts. But too many of the female singers of the past few seasons seem to be stuck in that same rut. When they haven’t – as with Crystal and Allison (that article is absolutely right) they’ve had far more success. ETA: or should that be when they haven’t and they’ve been good.

    It’s not just about vocals – although I think Cook’s vocals are great and Kris’s are fine, just not as strong as Adam’s. It’s about song choice, song interpretation, performance, connection: and so is music in general.

    Actually, I don’t think Idol really moved on.

    I will try to explain this, but it’s complicated.

    Let’s start with theme weeks. Tonight’s theme is “Songs from the movies”. We had this theme in season 8 and 9. Oh and in season 3. So, same theme for the third year in a row. Idol continues to recycle same old themes and same old songs.

    The last three Idol winners. All white, male in their mid twenties. One alternative rocker, two singer-songwriters, pop/rock, soft-rock (whatever you want to call it) artists. Home radio format of all three is HAC. Three in a row.

    Then we had Adam, who sang a lot of rock on the show and Allison, rocker chick.

    The more I watch the show, it seems to me the voters prefer either rockers (of any kind), singer-songwriter types and all versions of country, folk. Oh and less mainstream they are, the better.
    Contestants of that kind get praised for their “musicality” and “artistry”, especially if they play instruments.

    The others all all “old school” Idol contestants, not artists, etc.

    Let’s face it, the contestants mostly sing songs that are older than themselves. Can you imagine Pia singing a newer song that would be kind of similar to those Pia’s demos that are posted on Youtube? What would the judges say? That that wasn’t the right song for her, that it didn’t showcase her voice, etc?

    Current pop music is really not about showcasing great voices, but Idol is still considered a singing competition, even though the voters obviously don’t care about that.
    Jimmy Iovine brought in his army of producers to level the playing field as far as “artistry” aspect goes, so “old school” Idol contestants would get a chance again. However, the voters already know which types they prefer.

    Not to mention, these days pop music is all about female solo singers singing pop, dance pop, pop/rnb. All types of rock, alternative rock etc. are not doing as well as they did in 2005. Country is still doing well and I hope Scotty or Lauren win season 10. I don’t want another rocker or singer-songwriter of any kind this year.

    You know, I really want something different. New songs, themes, and I really don’t want the same type of contestant win the show year after year.

    Season 10 was supposed to be some kind of a new start, but it really isn’t. New stage, new judges and music producers sadly aren’t enough to change anything. It would also help if the contestants weren’t mostly same old types as always. I would love to see a season without a rocker contestant of any kind or singer-songwriter.

  • Mel1

    I agree with fadetowhite that the best singers with good music from AI have been the most successful. Even Clay, for a couple of years, was very, very successful. It’s just my opinion, but when he fought to get out of his contract, things went downhill. I think he made a few mistakes along the way which hurt him in the long run.

    If Cook puts out a good second album, he could be in the ranks with Daughtry. Same with Adam. At least we know Cook and Adam have a good thing going with their headlining tours. As far as Jordin, back to the drawing board with her.

  • moadms

    Paul tweeted for ideas on “Inspirational” songs. Does this mean an Idol Gives Back in our future?

  • sr4mjc

    It sounds foolish for Stefano not to break out the piano for a performance, because that generally goes over pretty well, but I’m sure there’s a reason he’s not. Whether it’s because it’s not his own music or he’s just not comfortable or the song just doesn’t fit, who knows. Seems he would want to play the game, but it’s his choice. His tweet is worded a little defensively, but it’s twitter, whatever. He should concentrate on getting the vocals out of cheeseland.

    But that’s exactly what I mean. It’s a double standard. Naima was judged by harsher standards than Paul because she’s a female. Paul gets a pass cuz he’s a cute (?) guy with scary really white teeth.

    Yep. And there’s not been one guy this season without pitch issues. Lauren and Pia were the most consistent for the girls, and Haley has off more than on, even if I think she overuses the growl.

  • Mel1

    I have a feeling more money than ever will be put towards the winner this year, as far as promoting his/her album and single. They can’t have a triplete. Who is really talented enough to warrant this? Frankly, I don’t see a Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, Cook, or Adam in the bunch.

  • Elliegrll

    Paul, imo, while off pitch at times, finds more acceptance because of the folksy/quirky style he has, where being a little “off” is part of the charm and expectation.

    But that’s exactly what I mean. It’s a double standard. Naima was judged by harsher standards than Paul because she’s a female. Paul gets a pass cuz he’s a cute (?) guy with scary really white teeth.

    I think part of it is that Paul is male, but I think there’s more to it. Paul was also labeled as an artist early on in the competition, so people are more likely to give him a little leeway, but Naima didn’t even get public acknowledgement on the show for writing the rap to “Umbrella.”

    I don’t think a lot of the things that Naima did worked, and she often looked like someone who was just experimenting with different things, instead of someone who had a clear view of what she wanted to do, and who she wanted to be. Paul has had his issues, but there has been a clear thread that has run through all of his performances. People can clearly see who he is, and what he wants to do, and because of that, it was easier for him to build up a following that’s been more loyal than Naima’s.

  • fadetowhite

    Current pop music is really not about showcasing great voices, but Idol is still considered a singing competition, even though the voters obviously don’t care about that.
    Jimmy Iovine brought in his army of producers to level the playing field as far as “artistry” aspect goes, so “old school” Idol contestants would get a chance again. However, the voters already know which types they prefer.

    I’d agree with that.

    I also think that the industry is less predictable and is still going through very uncertain times.

    I think if Scotty or Lauren win, they’d get their safest bet for big sales, but there’s no such thing as a sure thing.

    And, I also think, they’d be far better off looking for artistry and either helping their alums to develop that artistry or looking for it in the co-writers/writers. Who would have predicted that Adele and Mumford and Sons would have two of the biggest selling albums of the year so far. That is just thrilling for me and definitely shows up the limitations of the old Idol model in the real music world as it exists today.

  • LK3

    But fans can rest assured that with or without Cowell the fifth series of the reality talent show has a familiar feel, with singers who can’t sing, dancers who can’t dance, and ordinary-looking folk who turn out to have extraordinary talent.

    I think Britain’s Got Talent will be just fine without Simon. Just as Idol has been (for me for you).

    I sat in the audience for one of the London auditions, and Michael McIntyre was a hoot. The Hoff was still in theatre at the time, so Louis Walsh was the guest judge, and he did a great job. There were actually a lot of good auditionees that day, so I was pretty impressed. I don’t normally even watch BGT until the finale, but I’m actually going to tune in for this season.

    Those of you wondering why Stefano Langone hasn’t busted out the piano on one of his Idol performances yet? Last night he tweeted to a fan, “I’m not pulling out the piano unless its my music! Jus the way it is”

    Probably afraid the piano will upstage his vocals.

    Stefano should take a leaf out of Paul’s book. Paul may be a Twitter ho, but at least he keeps his fans happy with Twitter parties & taking twitpics. He’s polite to & thankful for his fans. Jus’ the way it is I guess.

  • sma11ie

    The more I watch the show, it seems to me the voters prefer either rockers (of any kind), singer-songwriter types and all versions of country, folk.

    I think it’s the Idol band. They are best with all types of guitar-based rock/folk/country. Since Season 4, when they added the Idol band I feel like the strongest live performances have been in those genres. So how did Taylor and Jordin win, those who watched those seasons? Actually in S6 there were no strong rock/country contestants.

    And there’s not been one guy this season without pitch issues.

    I don’t have perfect pitch or anything, but I don’t think Jacob has been off-pitch so much as he’s been consciously going way off melody and oversinging. I don’t think Scotty’s been off much either except for one REALLY wonky and misplaced low note he put at the end of one performance (I forget which).

  • Elliegrll

    I agree with fadetowhite that the best singers with good music from AI have been the most successful.

    They are all good singers, which is one of the reasons why they did so well on the show. It’s been said a million times that a lot of the most successful commercial singers today (Katy, Rihanna, Ke$ha, Taylor) would never make it to the final round on AI. If selling records was all about the vocals, I don’t think that any of these people would have outsold many of the idol contestants by a wide margin, even the idol contestants who have been labeled as the best ever. There are a lot of factors that go into people knowing that someone has music out, knowing what that music sounds like, and finally buying the music.

  • songsungblue

    But that’s exactly what I mean. It’s a double standard. Naima was judged by harsher standards than Paul because she’s a female. Paul gets a pass cuz he’s a cute (?) guy with scary really white teeth.

    I say this with all due respect [and as a rabid feminist] but I still think this is about being drawn to one style or another. I don’t judge Naima at all, I just found her voice sort of unpleasant. She’s just not my thing. I’m much more into quirky / indie types like Paul. I’m interested in what he’ll do in the future. Does this make me a misogynist? I don’t think so. I’ve routed for females on idol, and I’ve routed for males. I think the writer at TWOP described Naima as performing as if she’s applying for a grant. Heh. That’s awesomely true, IMO.

  • sr4mjc

    I don’t have perfect pitch or anything, but I don’t think Jacob has been off-pitch so much as he’s been consciously going way off melody and oversinging. I don’t think Scotty’s been off much either except for one REALLY wonky and misplaced low note he put at the end of one performance (I forget which).

    Yes, you’re right, I stand corrected. Jacob has been kind of a mess a lot of times but his pitch has been pretty good. And I kinda forgot about Scotty, Woops.

  • SpenserJ

    Frankly, I don’t see a Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, Cook, or Adam in the bunch.

    To be fair to the current crop, I didn’t really take notice of a few of those people as standouts until after we were a little further in than the 8 week mark. There may not be a stand-out star in this bunch, but I’m not ready to call it just yet.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    If you look at Idol with the idea that it is a platform for performers to get known to the public and not the be-all, end-all, Idol still works and works well. What happens after that is the real test.

    Exactly. The hard part is retaining the fans from the show, while producing music that reaches beyond the show, so that the transition from a solely AI fanbase to one that is more general is achieved, while increasing popularity.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    X Factor’s Jedward rake in £2.85million!!

    They may have been the least talented act to ever make the X Factor live shows – well except for Wagner of course – but weirdly Jedward are now some of the richest stars to ever come from the show.

    The Dublin born twins have raked in a massive £2.85million over the last year, from lucrative advertising deals, personal appearances and a UK tour.

    The siblings, known as John and Edward Grimes, earned £500,000 for fronting a campaign for Nintendo last year and have recently been revealed as the new faces of Coco Pops.

    Masterminding their career is X factor judge Louis Walsh and one source told The Sun:

    “The Jeds are making millions. Louis reckons Jedward have made more money in a year than any other X Factor act.

    “They’ve done more adverts, endorsements and gigs than all the other contestants combined. In the past year their earnings topped €3.2million.”

    Joe McElderry and Olly Murs WHO?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoFqRr9NBH8

    Louis Walsh helps Simon Cowell with big X Factor decisions!

    Westlife felt ‘unloved’ by X Factor’s Simon Cowell

    “We signed to Simon back in 1998 and he was brilliant, but then came the development of X Factor and American Idol.

    “Simon became famous himself and his interests went that way rather than on Westlife.

    “We almost felt a little bit unloved with Simon Cowell, if I was to be honest.”

    Nicky went on to admit that they wanted a full time adviser and expert, saying:

    “We had it with Simon but he got so busy and would do it at the very last minute and we needed someone who was on it all the time.”

    Most of all, Westlife don’t want to be the guys with the ballads anymore. They want to compete with current and credible bands and Nicky explained:

    “We have been tarnished with a very ballad brush but I’m not the boring guy who likes dressing in a suit and sitting on a stool so I’m not sure why we developed into that.

    “It’s not always about recording a ballad and only a ballad.

    “If we are going to keep up with the big pop stars then we have to think outside of the box. That’s what we’re doing now with our new team.”

  • standtotheright

    I say this with all due respect [and as a rabid feminist] but I still think this is about being drawn to one style or another. I don’t judge Naima at all, I just found her voice sort of unpleasant. She’s just not my thing. I’m much more into quirky / indie types like Paul.

    See, and theoretically McDonald is my thing (I like some of his influences), as I like quirky indie types, but I find his performance persona off-putting. Adedapo seemed to be trying harder to improve than he was, and I responded to that, regardless of whether or not her stylistic choices tracked with my genre preferences. And I did feel like she got less credit for trying to get better than he did, mostly because I think he really hasn’t tried at all.

  • tinawina

    The more I watch the show, it seems to me the voters prefer either rockers (of any kind), singer-songwriter types and all versions of country, folk.

    The interesting thing is that preference wasn’t really there pre- Season 7 IMO, but now things are tipped heavily towards people who can integrate musicianship (or the appearance of it) into their performances. It is probably an outcome of the introduction of instruments. And maybe those genres are standing out because those are the genres people think of when they think “musician” or “musical creativity”, and maybe in the back of their minds people associate those qualities with a guy holding a guitar on some level.

    Most pop stars today don’t play anything with any regularity, with a few exceptions. Today’s pop is rhythm-centered more than melody-centered, if that makes sense. So that may be a reason for some of the disconnect between Idol votes and modern pop music.

    There is a happy medium… Idol could cast males and females that ape the Gagas and Bruno Mars’ of the world, or encourage more people like Naima who want to display their creativity in a pop music (or rhythmically based music) realm. Maybe the solution is to go for people who seem like they could be pop songwriters/musicians, or people who blur the edges a little (remember Big Mike from last year originally wanted to be a John Mayer type, and Idol pushed him into an old fashioned soul man box). Mixed in with some straight vocalists who were very energetic performers the show would feel fresher I think, as well as letting them sing newer songs more often.

    The question is, will the XFactor beat them to it? I don’t see them letting the contestants be creative either though, its way too controlled.

  • Fullmoon

    If you look at Idol with the idea that it is a platform for performers to get known to the public and not the be-all, end-all, Idol still works and works well. What happens after that is the real test.

    Good point.

  • Fullmoon

    Doesn’t Gaga play the piano and Katy plays a guitar wouldn’t they be considered “musicians”? I hear Kesha plays an instrument too.

  • Valentin432

    There have been a whole lof of female singer songwriters on these shows, Brooke White, Lilly, Katelyn, Crystal, Carly Rae Japsen, Theresa Sokyrka, Amberly Thiessen, Lisa Mitchell, etc.

    None have come close to winning (or lost against Lee Dewyze).

  • Shadow_i

    LK3 says:
    04/13/2011 at 2:06 pm

    Stefano should take a leaf out of Paul’s book. Paul may be a Twitter ho, but at least he keeps his fans happy with Twitter parties & taking twitpics. He’s polite to & thankful for his fans. Jus’ the way it is I guess.

    You should look at Stefano’s twitter page before you post something like that- obviously you didnt. He’s very thankful to his fans and constantly tells them he loves and appreciates them daily. Stefano actually replies his fans the most and has twitter parties almost daily. He likes to chat with his fans a lot — he has no choice but to tweet a lot too cause he has a lot of young female fans who are very demanding of his attention on twitter, and wants him to twit each of them and gets jealous if he answers other fans. He replies atleast 20 or more a day. I know Paul uses twitter well to market himself though and twit pics. Stefano said he couldnt twit pics much cause the one on his phone didnt work. The whole twitter thing is demanding with their busy schedule but some of them try their best with it. I’m not on twitter though, but if was I wouldnt be bugging them.

  • songsungblue

    I know Paul uses twitter well to market himself though and twit pics.

    LOL. I’m not sure why it is so reprehensible to market yourself as a performer, but I wouldn’t call it that. Paul isn’t releasing his photos to the NY Times or the LA Weekly. My take is that he has a good sense of humor, and he sends along whatever he thinks is kind of funny. I’m not sure he’s all that Machiavellian.

  • BootStar

    I don’t have perfect pitch or anything, but I don’t think Jacob has been off-pitch so much as he’s been consciously going way off melody and oversinging. I don’t think Scotty’s been off much either except for one REALLY wonky and misplaced low note he put at the end of one performance (I forget which).

    Oh, honey, Jacob has been so off key at times it’s been hard to tell if he even knows what the melody of the song is! :-) (I swear he’s singing harmony half the time, only nobody bothered to have the backup singers cover the melody.) I don’t think it’s intentional either because he alluded to going off when he can’t hear. (That’s the main difference between Jacob and Fantasia, whose styles are very similar, as far as I’m concerned.)

    Scotty, OTOH, stays comfortably in his range and has rarely sung off key. I’m convinced it’s part of his appeal for a lot of casual viewers of the show.

    Personally, there’s nothing that puts me off a singer more than somebody continuously singing off key (a la Lee DeWyze). I don’t care how terrific your range or tone is. It’s like nails on a chalkboard for me! :-P

  • jumpstart

    [RT] @THR_Music: David Cook to Perform on ‘Idol’ Next Week (Exclusive) http://bit.ly/f26bLz

    :)

  • fadetowhite

    There’s an interview from that guy who looks ‘cute’ (from some angles) in The Hollywood Reporter by Shirley Halperin…I’m getting excited for this record…

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/idol-worship/david-cook-perform-idol-next-177922?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thr%2Fmusic+%28The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Music%29

    ETA: darn it Jumpstart! I thought I’d actually found a link before anyone else on this site, for the first time ever! :lol

    And I can’t link nicely either – is that what the link thing on the comments box does? Makes it look neater?

  • tinawina

    Doesn’t Gaga play the piano and Katy plays a guitar wouldn’t they be considered “musicians”? I hear Kesha plays an instrument too.

    Yeah, I said most pop stars don’t play instruments in public with any regularity, some do play but its not part of the overall image. I do think Gaga is kind of known for it and perhaps Bruno Mars, which is why I mentioned them.

    There have been a whole lof of female singer songwriters on these shows, Brooke White, Lilly, Katelyn, Crystal, Carly Rae Japsen, Theresa Sokyrka, Amberly Thiessen, Lisa Mitchell, etc.

    None have come close to winning (or lost against Lee Dewyze).

    Oh I agree… I’m talking about the gap between Idol and modern pop music, not the gender disparity. What I’m saying is that Idol casts musicians/ singer-songwriters but not the POP version of musicians, so maybe they should look for more people like.. musicality by way of a Naimia (who seemed to be about playing with more updated sounds), as opposed to musicality by way of a Casey.

  • Valentin432

    AmericanIdol American Idol
    We’ve got pure guitar GENIUS here on @AmericanIdol. See a serious legend take the stage tonight!!! U guys are never gonna guess who… ;)
    40 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    I hope it’s Jeff Beck, that would be very cool.

  • sma11ie

    Oh, honey, Jacob has been so off key at times it’s been hard to tell if he even knows what the melody of the song is! (I swear he’s singing harmony half the time, only nobody bothered to have the backup singers cover the melody.) I don’t think it’s intentional either because he alluded to going off when he can’t hear. (That’s the main difference between Jacob and Fantasia, whose styles are very similar, as far as I’m concerned.)

    Maybe it’s because I zone out whenever Jacob sings, but while I have yet to recognize much of any melody in his performances, I hear so much praise for him that I figured it must be intentional. That style of singing has never been my thing, so I assumed he was aiming for those notes, however far from the original melody they are.

    (Moved comments on David Cook news)

  • Valentin432

    I’m talking about the gap between Idol and modern pop music, not the gender disparity.

    I don’t think there’s a winner that would totally fit the Keisha, Rihanna, Gaga, popstar mold in the series I’ve seen so far. Meaning, attractive singers who can’t really sing but have a distinct tone and very current music style.

    There are a few that where in the Alicia Keys pop/rnb vibe but I don’t think that’s the type you were thinking about.

    I think they have casted some girls like that on the X factor UK. Someone like Diana Vickers or last season Katie Weisel and the “rapper” whose name I’ve forgotten.

    After revealing the votes, none of them had a shot to win.

  • fadetowhite

    FANTASTIC interview and answers. I’m more than intrigued. I’m happy he’s so happy with it, regardless of what happens commercially. LOL, he has cheeseburgers on his flannel PJs. That cracks me up.

    Yup.

    To all of it: intruiged…happy…cheeseburgers!

  • Shadow_i

    songsungblue says:
    04/13/2011 at 2:56 pm
    LOL. I’m not sure why it is so reprehensible to market yourself as a performer, but I wouldn’t call it that. Paul isn’t releasing his photos to the NY Times or the LA Weekly. My take is that he has a good sense of humor, and he sends along whatever he thinks is kind of funny. I’m not sure he’s all that Machiavellian.

    And why did you assume I said its a bad thing to use twitter to market himself? Isnt that what stars use it for? I didnt think I said Paul was doing something wrong in what you quoted. I actually was saying he uses it to promote himself well, and Stefano does the same too other than he can’t post pics much cause his phone couldn’t do it. I was telling the previous person that i know Paul uses it to market himself well, but Stefano does too.

  • standtotheright

    Why is Shirley Halperin such a lucky b-tch (scuse my language/jealousy!) and gets all these exclusives?

    She’s a great interviewer who asks smart questions inside and outside Idoldom. But mostly because she took the IICD house experience from “completely awful” to just “kinda awkward” with her ability to further conversational topics and her willingness to play beer pong. I think they are buds for life.

    So was the namedropping of those songwriters a hint about the finalized tracklist?

  • desiree_chick

    There are a few that where in the Alicia Keys pop/rnb vibe but I don’t think a singer like that would have a shot to win.

    Unfortunately… It would be so great that a Alicia Keys/John Legend type could come out of this show and win. I think they could generate good sales and have crossover appeal the way they do. It truly boggles the mind that no one like that has come close to winning this show. I thought that hope might have been Jermaine Purifoy back in season 9, but he didn’t even make it to the freaking green mile. I thought that was just ridiculous. I am truly hoping The Voice can find someone like that, or give them a chance. I don’t think the X-factor in the USA could find that as they are looking for a real “pop star”.

  • tinawina

    I don’t think there’s a winner that would totally fit the Keisha, Rihanna, Gaga, popstar mold in the series I’ve seen so far. Meaning, attractive singers who can’t really sing but have a distinct tone and very current music style.

    There are a few that where in the Alicia Keys pop/rnb vibe but I don’t think that’s the type you were thinking about.

    Yeah. I guess I’m thinking “well if the idol audience now wants performed musicality (as opposed to diva belters), and pop is not really about that save a few, maybe they should cast more people who represent a happy medium”. But I agree I can’t actually define what that medium would be and what it looks like. I was just trying to think of people on the charts who bring a sense of personal musical creativity to what they do (as opposed to just image or spectacle) but I can’t think of anyone besides Taylor Swift, Bruno or Gaga, maybe Katy Perry… but it seems like most of the people with a self created signature sound are producers, not solo artists. Plus I think you have a point in that even if they cast them, there is nothing to say they will not still lose out to a pop/rock male whose style echos someone who peaked in the mid-2000s.

  • Valentin432

    I don’t think the X-factor in the USA could find that as they are looking for a real “pop star”.

    Well the two girl winners of X factor are in the pop/rnb vibe but more Beyonce or Whitney than Alicia Keys.

    If Simon really wants a Keisha, Katy Perry type popstar, good luck to him, nothing I’ve seen makes me believe a girl like that would have a shot.

    I think the closest winners having the “Alicia Keys vibe” were Natalie Gaucci from Aus Idol S5 and Eva Avila from CI S4

  • LK3

    And why did you assume I said its a bad thing to use twitter to market himself? Isnt that what stars use it for? I didnt think I said Paul was doing something wrong in what you quoted. I actually was saying he uses it to promote himself well, and Stefano does the same too other than he can’t post pics much cause his phone couldn’t do it. I was telling the previous person that i know Paul uses it to market himself well, but Stefano does too.

    Ok I checked out Stefano’s Twitter; I appreciate that he does thank his fans. Though, it’s hard to decipher whether he’s having twitter parties as such, as there don’t seem to be actual questions being sent in to him. If there are, it’s not clear from Stefano’s replies.

    I would say that Paul does a better job on Twitter, but I’m probably biased. ;)

  • idolhound2011

    To me there has to be some passion. The only one who came close
    was Niamia. I dont think jumping around acting dorky cuts it.neither
    does looking scary(casey). Just not feeling the preformances.

  • LK3

    AmericanIdol American Idol
    We’ve got pure guitar GENIUS here on @AmericanIdol. See a serious legend take the stage tonight!!! U guys are never gonna guess who… ;)
    40 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    I hope it’s Jeff Beck, that would be very cool.

    Unless my eyes are deceivng me, I can’t see that tweet on my feed. Wonder if they’ve deleted it??

  • jumpstart

    ETA: darn it Jumpstart! I thought I’d actually found a link before anyone else on this site, for the first time ever! :lol

    And I can’t link nicely either – is that what the link thing on the comments box does? Makes it look neater?

    LOL, I can’t believe I was actually first! :)

    And I really have no idea about the link … I cheated and copied it from twitter. Me = very technologically challenged (to say the least… ha!)

  • MrDuffin

    I think Britain’s Got Talent will be just fine without Simon. Just as Idol has been (for me for you).

    Idol is not fine without Simon. The judges are big fat lairs because they are saying everyone is great when in reality they suck most of the time. Simon at least told the truth and tried to help the contestants do better. If you tell someone they are great just the way they are they will not try to do better.

  • Trina

    Paul is my least favorite and even I follow him on Twitter now. He’s very entertaining on there and I like all the pics he’s posts.

  • desiree_chick

    I think the closest winners having the “Alicia Keys vibe” were Natalie Gaucci from Aus Idol S5 and Eva Avila from CI S4

    As a Canuck, I love Eva Avila, she is just my fave Canadian Idol winner. Wish she had better success as those of us here thought she of all the winners had a real chance at being breakout star. Her time just has not come yet sadly :(

    Paul is my least favorite and even I follow him on Twitter now. He’s very entertaining on there and I like all the pics he’s posts.

    Oh, as a performer, I barely can muster him, and last week was the first week I was remotely entertained by him. But as a person, I would love to be around him more than anyone that is left (aside from Naima and maybe Casey, who is also a sweetheart, and yes, even more than my, well, now kinda fave Stefano, meh). Not that I have a crush on him, but his interest in music, to how he comes off so personable in interviews, such an incredibly likeable, charming guy. Seriously, my least fave performer, but my fave person in the group. Would like him gone, but respect him so much as a person. I like the idea of Paul, and what he is about in terms of music, but his voice just plain bugs me. And I strangely feel bothered by that, LOL

  • songsungblue

    Actually, my biggest complaint against Stefano is that he appears barely literate in his tweets. Seriously, a little English is a GOOD thing. I can’t even read it sometimes.

    Of course, the first thing I would do if I met Lauren is explain to her that :) = happy, and :( = sad. That bugs, hon.

    Paul does appear to be pretty charming and funny. I happen to love his voice [I have both his version and Ryan Adam's version of Come Pick Me Up, and weirdly, I like Paul's better - although I wish he had been able to curse!], so it’s all good.

  • LK3

    Paul’s band buddies will be there tonight:

    TheGrandMags The Grand Magnolias
    Will be hanging in Paulie McD’s family section tonight… looking forward to seeing the Idol circus in action!

    Idol is not fine without Simon. The judges are big fat lairs because they are saying everyone is great when in reality they suck most of the time. Simon at least told the truth and tried to help the contestants do better. If you tell someone they are great just the way they are they will not try to do better.

    Simon totally checked out of last season on Idol & UK XF. He didn’t give a crap.

    I would certainly like the judges to step it up and give out constructive criticism, but I don’t miss Simon one bit. JMO.

  • Elliegrll

    Idol is not fine without Simon. The judges are big fat lairs because they are saying everyone is great when in reality they suck most of the time. Simon at least told the truth and tried to help the contestants do better

    Simon didn’t try to help the contestants. He even admitted to putting a contestant down, because he wanted to make sure that she didn’t make it to the final 2. His act of starting something with Paula was often done as a way to take the focus off the contestants, so that he wouldn’t have to give an honest critique to a contestant who had done well.

  • BigNLiddle

    Looks like Season 7′s Jason Yeager is auditioning for XFactor in Newark!

    “@jason_yeager Well here we go again. I’m auditioning for X Factor in Chicago April 27th. Gonna put myself thru this whole mess again. “

  • gangreen29

    Looks like Season 7?s Jason Yeager is auditioning for XFactor in Newark!

    “@jason_yeager Well here we go again. I’m auditioning for X Factor in Chicago April 27th. Gonna put myself thru this whole mess again. “

    That just feels so weird.

  • gangreen29

    Simon at least told the truth and tried to help the contestants do better.

    In my opinion this is not accurate. At all.

  • Jewlmc

    It amazes me that people think Simon cares about the contestants.

  • car3278sweet

    Several interesting threads…

    1) Um. Stephano will be singing on cruise ships soon. Making a great living, loving the ladies, etc. Does he have a musical bone in his body? Does he live his music? Is he going to bring anything, anything of spirit, soul, originality to his songs once he’s off the show?

    Ah. No. I’d be astonished!!!!! Please, Stephano… anybody in this crew.. prove that I’m wrong.

    2) CEJ said what surprised him about Simon was that he was a kind man. I believe it was the word “kind” or something similar. Wow, I thought. Really? After all the pimping of others, bus rumbling over you and the goldilocks tag? Mr. James. You are a gentleman. But, wow!! Maybe he’s right?

    3) I am becoming increasingly bewildered with the promotion of Crystal. I think Gina Orr has done an amazing job of promoting very niche music, little promo from the label and a shaky season, tour and rollout.

    That said. Nashville? Crystal is now gravitating to country? Or is there other “music” you can create in Nashville that’s not country tied? Or country was most accepting of the current music and so that’s where she’s going? Honey, I like you. Truly. And I actually bought your CD – the first of an AI contestant since Daughtry. But country? Hm. This should be interesting.