Idol Headlines for 04/05/09

$3.8 million bail for Da Silva???
Wow.

I’ve always wondered how careful dance instructors need to be.
My husband stopped teaching karate for this very reason- the job itself required him to “handle” students’ bodies and the potential for them crying wolf is very high.

I am not a Da Silva apologist. I do understand the horror of rape.
I just hate headlines like this and think the entire investigation needs to take place before names are named.

$3.8 million?

wow Alex seemed like a really nice guy on the show. I remember he let Benji drive his cool car. Thats crazy that the show had him on in the first place knowing that he had these prior accusations.

http://idolator.com/5195850/cd-sales-how-low-can-they-go

Sorry, if this article has already been posted. It’s not by any means a new topic, but it depicts in very stark teams just how bad CD sales are in the industry currently. And it specifically references Kelly Clarkson. For an album that was supposed to be the biggest comeback since Britney’s (ok, that wasn’t that long ago, but still this was supposed to be a huge comeback), it looks like her record will get nowhere close to approximating the numbers she used to run up in her hey-day.

I do think the writer is being a little pessimistic about Kelly’s sales. I think she will get to platinum. But, double platinum looks highly doubtful. Or another way to look at it is to say that for all the noise about “My December” being a commercial flop, the new album may not do THAT much better.

It will be interesting to see how well Daughtry does later this year too. My guess is that they won’t get to 2M this time around either .

One other point worth considering is that this all calls into question whether we can fairly use the sales past Idols as benchmarks to evaluate the success of recent ones. Because it is highly unlikely that a Kelly, Carrie, or Daughtry would attain the type of initial figures that they did if they were breaking out now instead of then.

wow Alex seemed like a really nice guy on the show.

I heard quite the opposite. That he was an abusive jerk and treated his assistants like dirt. So, I’m not the least bit surprised it was his name that came up.

Interesting article. I’m not surprised about Kelly’s album. The only two songs I’ve heard from it sound very Pink/Katy Perry. They don’t really do a great job of showing off her vocals. Plus she’s losing the “cute girl” appeal which really matters for Pop artists.

Daughtry is another matter. Obviously depends completely on the kind of music he has the 2nd album. If he can clone the same hits he had on the first, I think he can match Nickelback in the sales department. He won’t sell five million but I could see his album going double platinum. And while Carrie is selling less than half of what she did with the first, she has a shot at triple plat.

I think Taylor Swift has the best selling album out and she’s at triple plat so it’s still possible to sell lots of albums. But getting harder everyday obviously.

You can’t blame bad cd sales on Kelly’s Cd. Look at what Tayor swift did, Britney sold oveer 500,000 or close to it in her first week, People aren’t really that intrested in Kelly anymore i guess

Sorry, if this article has already been posted. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not by any means a new topic, but it depicts in very stark teams just how bad CD sales are in the industry currently.

Does it? I don’t think it provides a lot of context. We have only just started the third month of the year and the writer is lamenting the paucity of platinum albums this year? How many were there by this point last year or the year before? (I know Jack Johnson did, but he had more weeks than U2 and Kelly). The first quarter of the year is always tough on CD sales. There tend not to be a lot of big albums released. Those, much to the annoyance of the retailers, tend to be saved for the fourth quarter.

If you start looking the numbers for those late 2008 albums, things aren’t quite so grim. Twilight album has sold 1.6M, Taylor Swift has sold 2.9M, Nickelback has sold 1.7M, Beyonce has sold 2M. TI 1.8M and so on. And that’s just looking at albums still in the Top 25. It’s not surprising to me that there aren’t a lot of albums in April that have been released the same year that haven’t hit platinum. Check in with me in December and I might be willing to be more pessimistic. Things aren’t going well for the CD, but it’s not the end of the world, yet.

One other point worth considering is that this all calls into question whether we can fairly use the sales past Idols as benchmarks to evaluate the success of recent ones.

I dearly hope that whoever wins this year knocks their album out of the park so that we can retire this canard. Each Idol has had their own set of problems. In the end, if you produce a good album that appeals to people, they will still buy it (see Taylor Swift). Idols are compared to each other because they have a unique set of circumstances compared to other artists (they are new artists, but few new artists get that kind of exposure, built in fan base, or built in haters). Plus, with Idol being a competition, they are always competing. Like it or not. As a general rule, the only fan groups that “don’t care about the numbers” are those for Idols that are losing at the numbers game (that’s not to say that individual fans can’t care about the numbers for a variety of reasons. I’m just talking about “group think” and when the numbers people start being burned at the stake and when the majority of number’s related posts at a fan site become “we don’t care about the numbers. Our guy is an artist and not a sell-out”)

On another note, the “Twilight” DVD sold 3 million copies on it’s first day. In one day. People are in the mood for cheap entertainment and will buy what they can easily steal over the internet. The Music Biz needs some big thinkers to fix itself (if it is not already too late).

Because it is highly unlikely that a Kelly, Carrie, or Daughtry would attain the type of initial figures that they did if they were breaking out now instead of then.

There are way too many variables to state this with certainty.

Kirsten – thank you for that very insightful post!

As a general rule, the only fan groups that à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care about the numbersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  are those for Idols that are losing at the numbers game …

Yes. And it’s sad to see members of those same fan groups turn on one another, accusing the more “realistic” of the bunch of being negative doom-and-gloomers. (See: Hicks, Taylor) Almost a “don’t confuse me with the facts” mentality.

ETA: I was shocked about de Silva. Always liked him on the show. You just never know about people. On the bright side, maybe they’ll hire my wonderful, sweet gorgeous PASHA baby to replace him. Sigh.

I dearly hope that whoever wins this year knocks their album out of the park so that we can retire this canard.

Canard? Correct me if I’m wrong, but Kellie Pickler of all people sold 800K or so of her debut album, correct? Well, David Archuleta, the most popular runner-up since Clay, may not reach that total on his first offering (since his label appears to be moving on from his first album). That tells me all I need to know right there. But, I suppose that you think Kellie would have outsold David if he released the same year that she did, right?

I LOVE Kelly but to be honest I’m not crazy about the new CD. I do love MLWSWY and a couple of others but I haven’t really been playing the whole thing fully through. IMO it’s not nearly as great as Breakaway. I think she can get to a million though even if it’s slow moving. Speaking of – hers and DC’s album are on sale in Target this week for $11.99.

I’m VERY anxious for Daughtry. No way do I think he’ll sell 4 million again but I’m hoping it will be filled with more catchy songs. I hope RCA gets a single released soon.

eta: wait Jive is moving onto Archie’s NEXT album already? Isn’t that soon?

I am very surprised about the news about Alex. I used to watch him on “So You Think You Can Dance” and I used to think that he seemed like a nice guy, the various times, I saw him on the show. I am surprised that he has these charges against him.

I think its way too soon to call over on Kelly. Her second song JUST had an add date, the video is not released, the album has only been out a few weeks, and the people she’s being compared too mostly released their albums in the runnup to christmas season, which we all know inflates sales. I’m not saying she’s going to be a supersmash seller, but I wouldn’t say she won’t hit 2 million eventually either. Lets give things a little more time.

Correct me if Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m wrong, but Kellie Pickler of all people sold 800K or so of her debut album, correct? Well, David Archuleta, the most popular runner-up since Clay, may not reach that total (since his label appears to be moving on from his first album). That tells me all I need to know right there.

It does, does it? Well, for those that are interested in knowing a little more than what can be gleaned by that one little factiod, here are some more.

1) Country fans seem to be more interested in buying CDs than buying downloads. Kellie is a country artist. Archie is a pop artist.

2) Week for week, Archie has still outsold Kellie. Kellie’s album was released in October of 2006. It took her a while to reach the numbers she currently has.

3) Kellie went on tour with two very popular Country artists during the summer of 2007. That helped cement her position. (those artists were Taylor Swift and Brad Paisley). So far, Archie has just toured with himself (ie touring to the faithful)

4) Kellie had multiple hits on country radio. Archie has had only one. Multiple hits help to move units.

But, I suppose that you think Kellie would have outsold David if he released the same year that she did, right?

She probably would have. We don’t know what the future holds for Archie’s album. If Jive gives him another chance and he gets a hit single, he will likely outsell Kellie’s first album. If he doesn’t, then odds are he won’t. Idol fans can only buy so many units. After that, you have to have a good CD and some hits.

I think its way too soon to call over on Kelly.

I agree.

I think Kelly will be fine. There’s about 0.00001% this album will surpass the success of Breakaway. It was a Thriller type of thing. Just like MJ, she was on top of the world. I doubt she’ll ever be the radio queen- not to the degree that she was back then anyway. But I love the new album, so as long as she keeps making good music, I’ll be happy. I could care less about the Carrie vs Kelly thing, so whatevia.

Canard? Correct me if Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m wrong, but Kellie Pickler of all people sold 800K or so of her debut album, correct? Well, David Archuleta, the most popular runner-up since Clay, may not reach that total on his first offering (since his label appears to be moving on from his first album). That tells me all I need to know right there. But, I suppose that you think Kellie would have outsold David if he released the same year that she did, right?

I always thought Archie was much less popular than people thought. During the season, he seemed to have twice the haters than he did lovers! His landslide defeat only served to validate that incling. Not to mention the fact that Cook managed to move 100k more albums in his first week than Archie. In this climate, it’s no small thing. Then there’s the fact that radio would probably hesitate to play Archie’s bubblegum brand of music. He had a lot going against him from the get go.

In short, Kellie would’ve definitely outsold Archie. If Jordin, a pop artist, could outsell him, then so could Kellie- a country artist with numerous hits. Your idol fanbase can only take you so far.

Well it took a year for Jordin’s album to go platinum.

But yeah, different genres also sell cds differently, so its probably better to compare cds sales of one to someone else in a like genre.
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DA will be on tv tomorrow I think…(time difference is killing me)
Primetime Morning on Channel NewsAsia, Singapore

Why is Jive moving on so quickly? I don’t get it. He only had 2 singles from this album – ALTNOY may have flopped, but Crush was a big enough hit to at least make an attempt for a 3rd single… Why are they rushing out another album?

^ I think it’s just a rumor… or maybe they are planning a rerelease?

And I think some of you are calling Kelly over way too soon. Give it a little time.

Speaking of – hers and DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album are on sale in Target this week for $11.99.

That seems like a really great thing to do right now for DC. After the AI performance, people might be thinking about getting the album, and the price break might push them over to buy it. I was just curious also, does Easter time usually generate more CD sales? Maybe with spring break, people have more time to purchase/listen to CDs. Also, they might make good gifts for those Easter baskets! Hopefully the Easter Bunny will be doing some shopping at Target!

Wow. I hadn’t heard that about going to a new album for Archie. Does seem really quick.

Obviously, it is extremely difficult to judge a man based on a few taped snippets of him teaching someone a dance. If the accusations are true, I’m glad they have finally been taken seriously enough to arrest him. Hopefully, his victims will see justice done. Although there is no way of knowing, it is highly suspicious that four women who don’t know each other would tell similar enough stories to warrant reopening the previous cases. Really makes me want to know why those cases weren’t pursued in the first place.

If none of this is true, then he will have his chance to put the suspicions to rest. I highly doubt that SYTYCD knew of these previous charges. If none of the cases were followed through on, there probably wasn’t any publicity so they wouldn’t have had any reason to think there was a problem. I think it is a good thing though that the SYTYCD kids are always there with a partner – never mind the camera crew! There is safety in numbers!

I think its way too soon to call over on Kelly.

I agree with you tinawina. Kelly may never have Breakaway-level album sales again, but I still think she has a good shot at double platinum (especially if this album spawns more hits like MLWSWY). Pop radio won’t be hesistant to spin her singles, so she has that working in her favor. Even if she fails to sell double platinum, she has nothing else to prove at this point (IMO).

I am very surprised ALTNOY hasn’t done well. Has it not been promoted? I love this song, and I loved the video. I thought it was a nice transition from Crush since it has a similar sound. As far as Kelly, I was a fan of hers when she won, even though I think she kinda has a little girl voice. (not talking about her power and range just the tone). I was a casual AI fan. Never bothered to get on any fanboards(until Mr. Cook came along). I remember when she dissed AI during the grammies? I lost interest in her. I think she comes across as bitter. I don’t think she believes the songs she is singing, and has hurt pride since she had to leave what she loves and believes in musically(My December) to doing pop princes kinda crap. She has lost her spark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiCpMH5qO7M ~~A beautiful acoustic performance of Elliott’s 2 new songs ,”Fight For Love” and “Know Better” I hope Elliott has great success…just love his voice and passion.

It just the time of the year and all global recess. Its not like Only Kelly album sales stink. But most of all albums too. She sold around 50.000 in her third week and land on fifth place in Bilboard 200.

Thats tell you that the overall sales was not that good cause even 50K can get you fifth place of the week. The overall album sales down 12 % from last year. The matter will be different if the overall sales up from last year and Kelly only sold 50 k. So 50 k at nowdays was pretty good for third week sales this time of year.

When the overall sales were up, her album sales will be up again.

I am very surprised ALTNOY hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t done well. Has it not been promoted? I love this song, and I loved the video. I thought it was a nice transition from Crush since it has a similar sound.

ALTNOY has been selling amazingly well for not being played much on top 40 radio. I am not a conspiracy theorist at all, but it seems like something very strange is going on. DA’s Crush video had been in the top of VH1 before Christmas and had not been on even 20 weeks. After their Christmas break, VH1 dropped the Crush video and has never played the ALTNOY video, despite fans putting it in.

Also, many top 40 stations won’t play it, and even Open House Party, which says it takes requests, refuses to play it despite tons of requests. Even though some may say ALTNOY is bubblegum pop, I think it is far less bubblegum pop than Crush, and the video is much better than Crush.

What is going on? I have no idea, but David is still doing extremely well– almost 100% sold out concert tour, touring in Asia and England, selling amazingly well given the lack of airplay. He is getting played very much on XM 20 on 20 and Disney radio. Disney plays all of the idols a lot.

I wish he was able to go on idol sooner, because that always gives things a boost. It will be interesting to see what he sings on idol- ALTNOY or another new single.

I am not sure what is going on with the next album. I don’t believe every rumor I hear until things are official.

The second album is a rumor so far, but I wouldnt be surprised if they did. If they do its because they want some radio hits or soemthing better suited to the current radio climate.
CHR climate has kinda changed in the past few months.. it seems to be leaning more rhythmic/urban than it was even the end of last year. Decent melodic songs arent doing so hot. Or at least thats what it seems like. Leona’s I Will Be didnt do too well. but anyways lol Couldnt tell ya why ALTNOY didnt do well, probably several things factor into it. *shrugs* At least xm and disney play the crap out of it lol.

I loved altnoy. I actually liked it as much as crush. I loved the cd too though. This is coming from a diehard Cook fan, but I really love archie too!! Im sure we havent heard the last of archie. I dont watch the charts very often, but did I see altnoy on the hac chart this morning at number 50? Maybe it will move up the charts there…also, I thought if you charted on Hac , they played your video on vh1? Somebody correct me here if Im wrong. I just thought it was strange how altnoy never was on vh1, but cook got a premiere saturday. I know Cooks song will be more hac that top 40, maybe thats why. Sorry if im rambling lol.

I think the Archuleta 2nd album talk (speculation) is about putting out a Christmas CD. I don’t have an exact source on that, but I do remember reading here and there about his doing a Christmas album this year.

It will be interesting to see what he sings on AI since ALNOY hasn’t taken off as much as they had hoped it would. Also, on his tour, certain songs have become quite popular among the fans. In particular, Zero Gravity. I would imagine there are a lot of brainstorming sessions around that very subject. It’s like he’s caught between phase 1 and phase 2 of what to present. Stay tuned, lol……..

After their Christmas break, VH1 dropped the Crush video and has never played the ALTNOY video, despite fans putting it in.

I can’t speak about anything else, but as far as VH1 goes don’t they retire videos after they’ve been on the countdown a certain amount of time? Crush did seem to be hanging in there for a long time..and don’t they base their countdown on Hot AC charting? I know I remember reading something about how VH1 is counted as HAC, so since for whatever reason Jive never pushed ALTNOY to HAC maybe that’s why it never made the countdown?

ETA: Laurie I don’t know if location makes a difference but the new sale starts today and both are in my circular, not Archie just Kelly and DC. Maybe check your circular online and see what happens when you type in your zip code. That’s a good way of knowing if its location related.

I don’t follow sales of Idols too closely, but I was wondering if different Target Stores don’t put the same CD’s on sale as other Target stores? I read the above post that said Kelly and DC were on sale. My Target this week had Kelly’s CD on sale, but not David Cook’s or David Archuleta’s. I was thinking mayber theirs were selling better, based on so few left in the bins, so there wasn’t a need to discount. Kelly had a great amount of CD’s still in the bins, but it could be because it is a newer release and many more were ordered. I was surprised to see it on sale so soon. I do think with the economy and illegal downloads, it’s hard to know what is really going on in terms of sales, Idols or otherise. By the way, I like Kelly’s voice, but neither single has motivivated me enough to pick up the new CD or even buy the single. I haven’t had time to read the article people are referring to, but it’s hard to imagine that her new release won’t reach Platinum. I hope for her sake it does. I am sorry to say, I can’t see any of this year’s Idols selling big numbers. Not that I don’t want them to, it just doesn’t seem to be a year for standouts.

While I do think that the economy especially the sh*tty state of the music business are factors in the lowered number of sales, I think it’s just a convenient excuse for every artist that is not selling well, be it an Idol or not. In the end, acts like Taylor Swift prove that if you have the right material, the right image and the label support, you can still outperform your previous effort or still sell craploads of album. With the state of the economy and the availability of illegal downloads, it’s making people take a second guess on whether they would buy an album or not. That is the challenge for the artists today – make music so great that it will really convince people to buy their albums. If anything, the state of the economy should push artists to create better albums instead of the generic formulaic material that they’re so used to creating before. And I think it’s all about priorities for both label and artist – what do they want? To sell albums or to sell mountainloads of singles? If they want the former, make sure that your album is filled with intelligent hits that can cross-over genres and all that (see Taylor Swift). If your goal is to be a singles artists – go for the hot, banging high profile brainless autotuned to death singles (see Rihanna). In a perfect world, you’ll be able to attain both but at this time and age, you might have to choose one.

I forgot to mention the talk about David Archuleta releasing a second album. Has that been confirmed? Isn’t that a great sign that TPTB believe in his talent? Why would that be a negative in any way? Just wondering.

I think the Archuleta 2nd album talk (speculation) is about putting out a Christmas CD.

I wasn’t a big fan of Archie’s last CD (just not my style of music), but I would definitely buy his Christmas CD. I think his voice is totally suited for those types of songs.

I became a Kelly fan with My December. I have yet to buy the new album and I probably won’t get to it as I’ve been reading it is too different from MD. Is it, really? I’m afraid I have not even mustered enough interest to listen to clips from it…

I have purchased tickets to the Cook-Archuleta concert in Manila. I’m praying no fan skirmishes break out during the show (especially as I would be sitting/standing in somewhere in the center of the field).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiCpMH5qO7M ~~A beautiful acoustic performance of Elliottà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s 2 new songs ,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ Fight For Loveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Know Betterà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  I hope Elliott has great successà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦just love his voice and passion.

Thanks, RainE. Now there’s an Idol I can fully get behind. LOL I’m not crazy about the songs (although Know Better is really growing on me) but my boy can definitely sing.

oh altnoy was 50 on the hac chart today? wondering if it would appear there lol.

I think it’s too soon to worry about Kelly’s album… And like what Kirsten said, the first quarter is generally bad for music sales. The fourth quarter is definitely the quarter to go if you want huge sales. Which is why I’m more impressed personally with albums that were released in the first quarter that still proceed to do amazing numbers as oppose to those where more than a third of their sales were made during the Thanksgiving/Holiday sales.

I read that Carrie’s 3rd album will be released again during the prime 4th quarter slots so I think she’ll be fine although I don’t think she’ll even surpass Carnival Ride’s numbers if she doesn’t change her direction a bit. IMO she needs less of the So Small type songs but more of the Flat On The Floor type songs. And no more trying to copy Before He Cheats and Jesus Take The Wheel (I’m looking at you, Last Name and So Small). Her “young Country princess” crown has been stolen by Taylor Swift and the fact that Taylor writes her songs on her own has made her more “credible” for the critics and maybe more relatable to the public. Lord knows, I can’t stand seeing/hearing Taylor live but her album is IMO much enjoyable and more heartfelt than Carnival Ride. That’s probably why they are pushing Carrie now as a “songwriter” and getting her to “write” with various Country writers. We’ll see what happens but I’m rooting for her and her 3rd album to do better than Carnival Ride.

^^^Speaking of charts, can anyone provide me with a link to Mediabase 247 Song Annalysis Menu that works. That’s where I would access quickcut, but the link no longer works for me. Anybody have a working link? Thx.

frogcooke,

“The second album is a rumor so far, but I wouldnt be surprised if they did. If they do its because they want some radio hits or something better suited to the current radio climate.”

Please let it be “Zero Gravity”! This song is the best. I luv watching the vid’s of everyone dancing and jumping to the song. :clap_tb:

Pop music moves fast, one day it is in and the next it is out. So yea Archie does need to stay working on new stuff. Give us some more jumping music Archie! :jittery_tb:

Yeahyeahsure – very well said! So much of music today sounds the same. I never thought of it, but maybe the fact that Taylor Swift, although she doesn’t have a perfect voice, has a very unique voice. Couple that with her really great lyrics and heartfelt performances, is probably what put her at 3x platinum. When I think about it, she doesn’t seem like someone who is only interested in going for the big hit, as much as staying true to herself. And that has really paid off for her. I like your idea that the poor economy may in turn bring us better music! From your keyboard to the music industry’s ears!
Mac – thanks for the clarification on DA’s 2′nd album. I would for certain buy a Christmas CD from him and at least 10 more for stocking stuffers. His voice is perfect for that. If he does that, he will sell platinum for sure! Maybe even more.

Again, I don’t believe rumors until I hear it officially, but last I heard (very recently) JIVE wants David to start on a second album after his tours and forgo the Christmas album for now. I have also heard that they are putting out a new version of the current album with some live things on it from concerts. Not sure if either is true– not sure why (on the 2nd album), but I imagine it is because, as Frogcooke said, radio has changed, so they may be wanting to make more current radio friendly hits.

As far as VH1 and Crush. VH1 usually retires videos after 20 weeks, and Crush had not been on there 20 weeks.

Regarding Cook and Archuleta fans having problems in Manilla. I would hope not because the boys would be VERY unhappy if their fans acted that way. I would hope they would behave themselves. I went to the SLC idol concert. Although it was obvious more people were there for their hometown boy, everyone gave Cook tons of love.

You canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t blame bad cd sales on Kellyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Cd. Look at what Tayor swift did, Britney sold oveer 500,000 or close to it in her first week, People arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really that intrested in Kelly anymore i guess

Exactly

I forgot to mention the talk about David Archuleta releasing a second album. Has that been confirmed? Isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t that a great sign that TPTB believe in his talent? Why would that be a negative in any way? Just wondering.

I believe that Archie is on contract with Jive to do 3 albums (I thought I read that somewhere, someone correct me if that is wrong). So, I don’t think it can necessarily be taken as a great sign, since they are obligated to the 3 albums. If they come out with a second CD pretty soon, I guess it means they didn’t feel any more of the songs on the first album could move any more units or album units.

I wouldn’t consider Archie’s close to 700K in sales chopped liver at this point. That’s only about 330K or so less than Cook and with much less promo and only one hit single. I’m not surprised Jive looks like its giving Archie a second album.

The way the contracts work is, they have the option for more albums. But they don’t usually excercise that option with the #2, ask Bo, Kat, Diana, Blake, etc. Archie will be only the second runner up in Idol history to get more than one album (if the story is true.) By the way, they’re not even obligated to give the winner more than one album – see Hicks, Taylor.

I hope Archie’s second album has stronger songs. I wasn’t overwhelmed by the quality of his stuff on the first album.

Although I am firmly in the David cook camp as far as what I like to listen to, I really hope DA does get his second album. His voice is amazing and he is just too good not to be heard on the radio. To me, young David’s album did seemed a bit rushed, I think he even mentioned that. Given the right material or time to write some of his own, I think he still could be huge. In some ways, I think he already is! His performance style has really matured in the few short months that he has been on his own tour. He seems so much more confident in himself too. Off topic, but is he slated to be on AI this season. I would think being runner – up that he would be invited.

Carrie is nominated for the grand daddy of awards in her industry – ACM Entertainer of the Year. Do you know how rare it is for a woman to be nominated in this category? And how many times has she won Female Vocalist of the year by the CMA? Taylor Swift was nominated with Carrie this year. Carrie won – again. And Carrie was also inducted into the Grandy Ole Opry. So I’m really understanding how she might be suffering from industry lack of cred?When she toured last year, her shows sold and and she kept adding shows. Her singles continue to chart and have dominated the charts for some time now. Her videos are always in the top 5 of Country Cable shows. Hence, the nomination for the ACM Entertainer of the Year. Carrie is a pretty dominant tour de force.

Male country artists like Keith Urban, Kenny Chesney and Brad Paisley are all extremely popular, trade Male Vocalist Winner awards all the time, and move albums. No one suggests that Urban will replace Paisley. So I don’t understand why Taylor Swift’s success means Carrie’s demise or diminishing stardom. They are different artists that can all be succesful in the same genre. Taylor’s second album is a lot more pop and versatile to cross over than Carrie’s Carnival ride – so I’m not too surprised, and she’s also got the tweenies. Maybe it’s because we are so conditioned by Idol that we can only consider one star to one industry? Dunno. But I’m not too worried about Carrie. She’s doing great. And best of luck tonight, I hope she wins.

DA is supposed to be on AI near the begining of May.

Fan made videos usually blow (IMHO) and I’m not sure everyone’s digging Fight for Love (Elliott’s single) but if you’re into puppies, kitties, etc. on a nice spring day this kind of rules:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ooVdHVhu4

$3.8 million bail for Da Silva???
Wow.

That’s an incredibly high bail. My guess is they have some pretty strong evidence.

While I do think that the economy especially the sh*tty state of the music business are factors in the lowered number of sales, I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just a convenient excuse for every artist that is not selling well, be it an Idol or not. In the end, acts like Taylor Swift prove that if you have the right material, the right image and the label support, you can still outperform your previous effort or still sell craploads of album.

An album, or a song touches people and entices them to part with their money for a variety of reasons. There really is no formula to figure out why or how this happens, or every album would follow the same track and become a huge hit.

The US economy has cycled up and down more times than I can count during the “music on radio” era, yet there has never been a dearth of humongous radio hits that permeate the pop culture on multipl levels. Some of those radio hits become one hit wonders and trivia questions. Some of them segue into the next huge radio hit, thereby providing an album with its legs. Those albums with that kind of staying power are the ones that hit the multi-platinum numbers.

I wouldn’t count Kelly out because she’s proven before that she can produce Top 40 dominating songs. So, it may take her a little longer this time, especially with releasing during the cd sales “slow season”, but I do not think it’s impossible for her to go double platinum or better.

She probably would have. We donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know what the future holds for Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album. If Jive gives him another chance and he gets a hit single, he will likely outsell Kellieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first album. If he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t, then odds are he wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t. Idol fans can only buy so many units. After that, you have to have a good CD and some hits.

For me, that’s kind of it in a nutshell. It’s all about the material. I watched AI religiously for the first 4 seasons without feeling remotely compelled to buy anyone’s cd. I only bought Kelly’s Breakaway because I kept hearing her singles on the radio, and I liked them.

After season 5, I became more open to buying Idol music, and I even bought a few here and there on pre-order without knowing anything about what they’d sound like. Well, now that we’re at Season 8, I’ve discovered that most of that stuff is crap. Most of their first Post-AI cd’s are filled with sub-par material. I think it’s fairly easy to see that the reason Chris D had such sales success was because he had several big radio hits in a row. For a guy like him, at the time, making that top 40 friendly, pop-rock was obviously the way to go. It would seem that sound is sort of on the wane at this point, so he’ll probably need to change direction a little to achieve similar success with the second one.

So, bottom line, at this point I think it’s all about the material for all of them. I can’t speculate on who out of the current crop will sell the most, because I have no idea whether they’ll put out a cd filled with good songs (or at least songs that catch on radio – whether I find them good or not) or if they’ll put out a cd filled with songs rejected by more popular artists (or written by Diane Warren).

OMG – see what happens when I can’t visit here all weekend? I wind up writing a thesis.

Kudos to the great Slezak for letting Dave Karger defend Danny Gokey.

Double kudos to the Idolatry team for comparing Allison Iraheta to Wonder Girl and begging her to save herself immediately.

Triple kudos to the Idolatry team for reminding us of the truly unique “potential package artist,” Jesse Langseth.

Idolatry is my second favorite video of the week — after Adam Lambert’s latest performance.

I wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t consider Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s close to 700K in sales chopped liver at this point. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s only about 330K or so less than Cook and with much less promo and only one hit single.

Wait… I missed the memo, so now DC not only had hit singles, but multiple hit singles? :rolleyes_tb:

The sales difference between Archie and Cook (370,000) is ~55% of Archie’s accumulated sales so far (673k).

I wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t consider Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s close to 700K in sales chopped liver at this point. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s only about 330K or so less than Cook and with much less promo and only one hit single. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not surprised Jive looks like its giving Archie a second album.

370,000 to be exact..

I think Archie’s numbers are fine and I think Crush probably had a lot to do with his good numbers, but that’s why it doesn’t make sense to me Jive is potentially dropping the ball on it. Why not at least push ALTNOY to HOT AC or at least get another single out there? I could see Barriers doing well on Top 40. Realistically how fast could he get another album out? When it comes to promoting this next album wouldn’t it make sense to have more radio presence under his belt?

I think the CD sales numbers are pretty clear (wasn’t there an article on this last week?), with 2009 monthly sales down between 15-30% every month so far. and they were down quite a bit last year too. Clearly this is impacting sales for even large established acts.

I think there are a few things going on here.

Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood both have crossover hits, which greatly widens their possible buying audience. This is very rare. Also, as someone mentioned, sales of country music has not declined nearly as much as other genres.

Also, I think the “Idol Effect” has lessened each year. Too many Idols have put out crappy albums and there is a bit of Idol fatigue in general, I think. People aren’t as likely to blindly buy CDs now, and I think this trend will just continue as the series ages. Most loyal Idol watchers already have found their favorite Idol. This has been happening for at least the last 3 years or so.

I think if Jive are to push anything for Archie, it should be Zero Gravity, which didn’t make the album.

I think it’s better than Crush, though he should probably rerecord it before it’s release, as the end of tour version is so much better than the recorded version.

Lol, I’m not even a fan, but I liked it.

Archie has only had ONE Top 40 hit. Archie’s second single flopped on CHR.
Cook had two HAC hits. He has had no Top 40 hits to date. I predict a similiar outcome for CBTM.

By contract Jordin Sparks has had three big Top 40 (CHR) hits.

Waità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I missed the memo, so now DC not only had hit singles, but multiple hit singles?

Maybe, they’re talking about The Rainbow and The Boat Anchor. :dry_tb:

Clearly this is impacting sales for even large established acts.

No doubt the economy plays a role in the sales downturn of cds (and everything else for that matter). I think the point some are trying to make is that it can’t be the all encompassing excuse for less than stellar sales for AI contestants. Even in a shitty economy, radio hits can still be found and they can often lead to sales. (Although I still struggle to figure out this whole “consumer confidence is at an all time low” thing when the parking lot at my mall is always effin full! Are they all just broke people window shopping to annoy me? Argh).

Also, I think the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Idol Effectà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  has lessened each year. Too many Idols have put out crappy albums and there is a bit of Idol fatigue in general, I think. People arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t as likely to blindly buy CDs now, and I think this trend will just continue as the series ages.

Yes, yes, yes on all counts. The show is aging. And really, even in its heyday, the cd sales of winners or contestants has always been proof that the show’s exposure alone cannot guarantee super-stardom. If 25 million people watch the show and only a million or less of those people buy your cd, obviously AI is not the golden ticket it pretends to be. It does not convert all that many of its viewers to buyers.

That’s probably a part of the reason they started that whole performance download thing. I bet it’s a lot easier to get people to download a song here or there in the frenzy of the competition than it is to get them to buy anything afterward. That’s probably why they block the release of those sales numbers – they’re making a shitload of money and don’t want anyone to know LOL.

I agree that the problem will only get worse, and the quality of the material will be even more important. AI probably no longer has the juice to produce a multi-platimum artist on exposure alone. Of course, being the highest rated show in the land with ludicrously high ad rates, they probably don’t care so much.

It’s too boring to keep arguing the same crap over and over. But when most people say hit, they are thinking of the Top 40 (CHR) music everyone is sick of.
But getting good play on AC/HAC is fine too. It just gives you less visibility and keeps you out of the Daughtry big leagues.

Archie has only had ONE Top 40 hit. Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s second single flopped on CHR. Cook had two HAC hits. He has had no Top 40 hits to date. I predict a similiar outcome for CBTM.

LO reached Top 20 and TOML reached Top 30, how is that not having any Top 40 hits? They weren’t the massive Top 10 Pop hits Jordin’s songs were, but yeah they went Top 40.

Why not at least push ALTNOY to HOT AC or at least get another single out there? I could see Barriers doing well on Top 40.

I agree that they should have pushed it to Hot AC. I still don’t understand why they canceled the impact date.

Maybe they don’t want to release another single from this album because they are afraid that if it is another flop, that could be the end and radio would give up on him. Maybe they feel the other songs are not strong enough and they don’t want to risk it. Perhaps with a new album, they could package a different sound for him, or come up with better material. Not sure. I most definitely think he needs better material. I think his first album sounded sort of juvenile. I think he is WAY better than that album. I hope they go a more mature way, and don’t resort to a Disney type demographic. I really think that would be a step backwards. Just my opinion though.

You’re right. Cook’s singles went Top 40 on Pop. Just not to the top of the charts where they get played every 5 seconds somewhere in America.

I don’t think Archie second single would have worked on HAC either. Too juvenile for that format.

I hope they go a more mature way, and donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t resort to a Disney type demographic. I really think that would be a step backwards. Just my opinion though.

Isn’t he appearing on Hannah Montana and doing a duet with Miley, though?
I actually think Archie’s strength is in that he has massive appeal to the Disney demographic. I think it’s pretty unique to have someone with actual talent and a good voice aimed at that tween demographic. I’m not sure if aiming older will get better results.

And I do think ALTNOY could have done well on HAC. At the very least it would’ve gotten the video some VH1 airplay.

I’m not surprised Archie’s 2nd single flopped. I don’t remember it getting much promotion and without an HAC add, it reaches an even smaller audience. I’m NOT surprised at Jive rushing with the 2nd album because Archie is the only male artist generating revenue for them right now. Justin T is not producing an album anytime soon and Chris B…

lmao at “Archie fails b/c he sold less than Kellie P” Both Jesse Mac (250K) and Lady Gaga(550K) so far sold less than Kellie AND Archie but I doubt they’re less popular.

I believe album sales are soon gonna be a thing of the past. Only more traditional people will still buy albums which is why country albums sell so well. AI winners are an exception to this. All of them have sold pretty well for their first album b/c they each have what, 6 months worth of pre-orders since the finale? I think the true measure of success comes from their 2nd album sales and how well their tour sells, etc.

I think it is a little disturbing what seems to go on with Archie and Jordin albums and even Kelly’s very fast second single releases. Does anyone know if it is typical for their genres at the moment?
Why even bother to bring out a whole album if you throw it away after a few month.
They could go for EP’s with 5 or 6 songs and then after the have hit single, could make it to a best of.

^^I hope they go a more mature way, and donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t resort to a Disney type demographic. I really think that would be a step backwards. Just my opinion though.”

Good Point. I completely agree with this. Archie is way more talented than the “Disney type”.

^ How is Archie’s cd the “disney type”? I thought his songs like To Be With You are nothing like songs Miley or Jonas would sing lol. Personally, I think Kelly’s MLWSWY sounds more like what Miley would sing :X

I have a feeling his next cd is gonna have more urban/dance music like his song Zero Gravity so it will fit more with radio. Hopefully he still keeps his musical integrity though then..

Honestly, none of us were alive when the economy was in this type of global recession. We’re talking Depression era. If you follow the WallStreet Journal or Financial Times. So to dismiss the dismal state of our economy as just another cyclical turn is a HUGE understatement of the sh*tty state of our capital markets. California is giving out IOU checks for state income tax refunds, y’all. It’s everywhere. Also, illegal downloads are a reality. The times are a changing.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123880123928088525.html

Archie’s doing better than Jordin was this time last year in terms of album sales, right? Jordin had a duet with Chris Brown – to carry her. Archie doesn’t. Thankfully Crush was huge. I certainly wouldn’t count him out at all. Sure, he’ll need a few more hits, but it’s early days. And his tour went well. He’s well liked by the media and very personable. He’s also starting his Asia entry, right? This is a marathon, not a sprint. Archie’s an extraordinarily talented guy. In the best of circumstances it’s hard to create a phenomenal album. Taylor Swift’s debut album was not the monster her second album clearly is. And she had time to work on both. Archie only had 3 months to work and produce his debut album. Besides, he’s so far and away more talented than the Jonas Brothers et al. I’m not worried about Archie in the least.

Something tells me that season 8 will not produce another awesomely talented runner up. Whomever that might be. Heh.

^ Yeah cd sales are more or less a thing of the past except for more traditional ppl who still buy albums that’s why artists are creating albums really fast to get more singles out there. I wouldn’t worry about Archie too, his greatest competitor is prob Jesse McCartney who sold only 250K but he has many hit singles from the album so that’s why he’s HOT on the music scene right now.

Only more traditional people will still buy albums

LOL I had to LOL at the phrasing… I’ve been called alot of things over the years, but I must say that “traditional” has never been one of them! But, yet… Thank you for being so gentle with my weary bones!! I do love my albums, and my iPod is full of them. (But, sorry, not a country fan… Rock sells albums too!)

It is very interesting how country and rock tend to sell more albums and pop sells more singles. I would guess that is because pop buyers tend to be younger and are into itunes. It is an interesting and rapidly changing (and scary) time to be in the music business.

I wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t consider Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s close to 700K in sales chopped liver at this point. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s only about 330K or so less than Cook and with much less promo and only one hit single.

The thing we don’t know is where in that 330K difference Jive will have received its full recoupment. You would think that at 700K sold Jive has made its profit and they’d have no problem giving the greenlight for a second album. Unfortunately, all we do know is that the ‘guarantee’ point is at or around platinum and anything below is just speculation.

And as for Archie selling more than Lady Gaga at this point, what we have to ask is whether DATA has any more singles in its arsenal that will take off a la Crush as opposed to floundering like ALTNOY (so far). We know Lady Gaga is riding her second single that has gone to #1 so I suspect her album will continue to sell and eventually top Archie’s. Not a LG fan so people will have to pipe up if they think she’s got more potential hits in her album. Same with DATA. With a second single having underperformed, I think Jive sees enough in Archie’s talent that they will go for a third try. However, the question then becomes how soon are they willing to make the promo investment for that third single. Will they be pushing it out in the next month or two, so Archie’s name stays out there or will they wait the 5 or so months that they did between Crush and ALTNOY? And then, how much will they be willing to spend to promo the third single? More than ALTNOY or even less?

Everyone needs to vote for Carrie over at CBS.com

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not surprised Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s 2nd single flopped. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t remember it getting much promotion and without an HAC add, it reaches an even smaller audience. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m NOT surprised at Jive rushing with the 2nd album because Archie is the only male artist generating revenue for them right now. Justin T is not producing an album anytime soon and Chris Bà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

I agree with this. After witnessing how well his tour did, Jive would be foolish to not do everything they can to promote Archie. My guess is that his album sales slowed so much for the following reasons:

*His demographic is much younger, so they are more likely to illegally download
*Parents are less likely to buy kid’s CD’s with the economic downturn
*The album doesn’t include some of his best songs (Zero Gravity, Waiting for Yesterday, Works for Me), and they chose the wrong 2nd single
*No major duet to carry the album (a la No Air)

Rumors are Archie will be opening for a big act this summer. I’m actually hoping its Miley (can’t believe I’m saying this!) because this is exactly the approach his label should take to grow his popularity with young audiences. Jive wouldn’t be sending him overseas for promo if they didn’t believe in his potential.

lol since we are discussing it… seems altnoy is now at 47 on the HAC chart(50 this morning). Its kinda weird. It had spins previously to almost reach the top 50 and then it dropped about half its spins or more… and now its gone back up to were it was before.. weirdest song… i swear… it cant seem to make up its mind.. But its as good as done on chr…

So weird ALTNOY didn’t get a Hot AC add date…to me it fits more on HAC than CHR.

Here’s a theory…Maybe Jive wouldn’t want to push a 3rd single from DATA if they feel the choices are inferior, and want to take DA’s sound in another direction? Jive is on the front lines, hearing all the reasons straight from the Program Directors about why they won’t add ALTNOY….maybe they think a “Zero Gravity” type song would be more accepted by radio?

i dont know if people have seen this but it is confirming axl rose mentoring on american idol coming up!!

http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=43595

i dont know if people have seen this but it is confirming axl rose mentoring on american idol coming up!!

April fools……

lol….

My guess is that his album sales slowed so much for the following reasons:

*His demographic is much younger, so they are more likely to illegally download
*Parents are less likely to buy kidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s CDà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s with the economic downturn

The first two don’t really fly in the face of blockbuster sales for the likes of Taylor Swift and other tween acts like Jonas Bros. and Miley.

I think the sales nosedive is simply attributable to the fact that he needs another hit song playing on the radio to support (i.e., advertise) his album to the listening public. The second single is important for most people because if they like the second single, they may decide that it’s worth downloading the whole album as opposed to buying just the one single. The tipping point for most people is usually at the second or third single stage.

“I think the sales nosedive is simply attributable to the fact that he needs another hit song playing on the radio to support (i.e., advertise) his album to the listening public.”

^^hmm, so an album remake which would include, among others, zero gravity and the other bonus tracks would seem in order…plus bonus videos from the tour? this is probably why professional videographers where seen at the House of Blues in Chicago?….wow its so nice to speculate on a boring Sunday….LOL….but Im sure this is Jive’s plan…yeah…im an insider.

I can’t wait for Cook to have 11 smash hits on the charts again. He is so amazing.

The second single is important for most people because if they like the second single, they may decide that ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s worth downloading the whole album as opposed to buying just the one single. The tipping point for most people is usually at the second or third single stage.

Which is exactly why I don’t get moving on so fast from this album. Most people haven’t heard Archie’s 2nd single, why not get a 3rd one out there in the hopes of it doing better than ALTNOY? Why let one flop single kill off whatever prospects this album had?

Another question is how much better is a 2nd album going to be if it’s just as rushed as the 1st one? Archie is supposedly touring all through the summer, and the rumor is album #2 will be out in the fall.

I guess I just don’t get the rush.

^^hmm, so an album remake which would include, among others, zero gravity and the other bonus tracks would seem in orderà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦plus bonus videos from the tour? this is probably why professional videographers where seen at the House of Blues in Chicago?

This is what I think Jive is up to. Wish I understood why they didn’t give him better songs in the first place. My guess (more random speculation alert!!!) is that they tried to push him in an even more bubblegum, disneyfied direction and he resisted, so the whole album ends up being Hot-AC poppy, but lacking the edge needed for CHR

lol I could speculate and guess and ponder till im blue in the face… and trust me ive done it more than once.. (nothing else to do when it gets boring, haha)

But yeah lack of sales is most probably largely due to the lack of radio play.. Crush peaked in november just before the album was out(like the week before) so yeah….

totally off subject—-michigan State vs. Nc —also I am in chat ………

Jolene I think, again just speculation haha fun fun, because of the way chr is changing not much on the current album is going to fit in with whats on pop at the moment.. at least not as well as it would of around when the album was being made. That would be my reasoning for why they might do album #2.. Also I think he’s been writing while he’s been on tour at least nearer last parts of it.

But who knows.. lol we’ll see what happens

Azoff should just lurk in this site….it would make their jobs a lot easier….and easily make stars out of all the artists in their roster………..is it monday yet?

Brad Paisley for the win.

lol RV… it’s monday in other countries… US.. not so much yet… few more hours..

because of the way chr is changing not much on the current album is going to fit in with whats on pop at the moment.. at least not as well as it would of around when the album was being made.

CHR has changed so much since the album was released that it doesn’t fit in any more? I don’t understand that. In what way? Crush did amazingly well. Are you saying if Crush was released today it wouldn’t do well because CHR has changed?

If you follow the WallStreet Journal or Financial Times. So to dismiss the dismal state of our economy as just another cyclical turn is a HUGE understatement of the sh*tty state of our capital markets.

I get that. I live with a finance guy who reminds me of the state of our economy every day. Sometimes I make a little lolz about it, because otherwise I might shoot myself. No offense intended. But again, the shitty state of the economy doesn’t explain why some songs can’t get airplay on the radio.

*Parents are less likely to buy kidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s CDà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s with the economic downturn

With the stuff my kids ask for, I’d be happy if they only wanted a CD lol.

Another question is how much better is a 2nd album going to be if ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just as rushed as the 1st one? Archie is supposedly touring all through the summer, and the rumor is album #2 will be out in the fall.

I guess I just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get the rush.

This makes no sense to me either. Why go to the expense of starting all over?

The thing we donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know is where in that 330K difference Jive will have received its full recoupment. You would think that at 700K sold Jive has made its profit and theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d have no problem giving the greenlight for a second album. Unfortunately, all we do know is that the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹guaranteeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ point is at or around platinum and anything below is just speculation.

I’ve never heard this before about the “guarantee” point, so I’m curious how do we know that? With retailers slashing their price points so often these days, I’m curious if even platinum would be a guarantee.

CHR has changed so much since the album was released that it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t fit in any more? I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand that. In what way? Crush did amazingly well. Are you saying if Crush was released today it wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do well because CHR has changed?

I am far from an expert, but as a casual listener of that format (within my own city, at least) I will say that I have noticed a pretty large shift in the last few months. It’s much more rhythmic, less melodic than it was six months ago. I don’t much listen any more – lots of Lady Gaga, Britney, Pussycat Dolls, etc. Not my thing.

Again, that’s just my observation but it sounds like I’m not the only one who’s noticed.

Mac im just guessing… lol But some of the stuff on chr now is more dancey/urban/rhythmic than it was several months ago. I had no problems listening to top 40 for a while but I wont even listen to it… its kinda sucky right now… lol

^^hmm, so an album remake which would include, among others, zero gravity and the other bonus tracks would seem in orderà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦plus bonus videos from the tour? this is probably why professional videographers where seen at the House of Blues in Chicago?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.wow its so nice to speculate on a boring Sundayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.LOLà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.but Im sure this is Jiveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s planà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦yeahà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦im an insider.

Hearing this for the first time, so I might be sticking my foot in it, but I have to say that I highly doubt that this is Jive’s strategy. Promoting what is essentially another album on the heels of one released a mere 6 months ago is VERY expensive and just doesn’t make sense from an economic standpoint. Also, wouldn’t there be another song (third single) on DATA that Jive could push out there IF they have decided to totally give up on ALTNOY? I recall that Jive switched from one of the Hands songs to ALTNOY due to overwhelming fan opinion in favor of ALTNOY, so why can’t Jive re-think its options and go for the Hands song again for the third single.

This is what I think Jive is up to. Wish I understood why they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t give him better songs in the first place. My guess (more random speculation alert!!!) is that they tried to push him in an even more bubblegum, disneyfied direction and he resisted, so the whole album ends up being Hot-AC poppy, but lacking the edge needed for CHR

I’ve gotten this feeling all along. There was a HUGE rush after the AI tour to get more songs ready for the album before deadline because he didn’t feel there were enough good songs for Jive to choose from. Things he’s said in different interviews and a couple of things in the Snarkies interview from last week just reinforce that feeling for me.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t much listen any more – lots of Lady Gaga, Britney, Pussycat Dolls, etc. Not my thing.

Lady Gaga has been around for awhile. If I remember correctly, Just Dance was released around a year ago, so it would have been in full swing on CHR months ago. Same with Britney, Womanizer was released in the Fall of 2008, and the same with Pussycat Dolls. Their album was released in September of 2008. So I guess I still don’t understand how CHR has changed. It may have, but I guess I haven’t noticed. It still seems as crappy to me as before!

It’s even crappier now mac LOL

If I have to hear boom boom pow one more time… or kiss me thru the phone… *shudder* good thing crack a bottle peaked…. still cant get away from right round…

It still seems as crappy to me as before!

LOL. It really is crappy. I only listen to HAC anyways.

BTW – is it possible that CBTM will chart on HAC as early as tomorrow? I just looked at the spins and it’s been gaining nice momentum on that format. I can’t remember how LO did this early on, but seems like CBTM is moving faster.

So I guess I still donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand how CHR has changed. It may have, but I guess I havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t noticed. It still seems as crappy to me as before!

As I said, it’s just my observation. It sounds quite different to me … much crappier! I didn’t mind it six months ago. I mind it now.

eta: lol frogcooke. Clearly we are of one mind … except I like to work out to Crack a Bottle.

CBTM could chart soon on HAC, id dont know what its daily spin updates are like.. lol It has about 120 on the quick cut right?

Beautiful gown, Carrie.

I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t wait for Cook to have 11 smash hits on the charts again. He is so amazing.

lol, I wish that would happen!

Everyone needs to vote for Carrie over at CBS.com

I voted for Keith Urban, sorry!

Lady Gaga has been around for awhile. If I remember correctly, Just Dance was released around a year ago, so it would have been in full swing on CHR months ago. Same with Britney, Womanizer was released in the Fall of 2008, and the same with Pussycat Dolls.

Just to add … you are right that none of these acts are new, but the difference for me is that while in the fall I heard Womanizer and When I Grow Up (didn’t personally hear Just Dance until early winter), I now hear, every two hours at least, Just Dance AND Poker Face, Womanizer, Circus, AND If You Seek Amy, and When I Grow Up, I Hate this Part, and Jai Ho. They aren’t peppering the playlist anymore; they are dominating it.

Which is why I have abandoned the format for now.

^^ add flo rida to that list.. with right round at #1 and Sugar coming up fast at 31 already

^^ add flo rida to that list.. with right round at #1 and Sugar coming up fast at 31 already

oh, dear.

CBTM could chart soon on HAC, id dont know what its daily spin updates are like.. lol It has about 120 on the quick cut right?

I think it had 128 this morning, and IIRC that was up 22 in daily spins. I guess if it won’t make Top 50 tomorrow, it will Tuesday. IDK why I thought this was the adds week but just saw on DCO it’s actually next week for HAC (the confusion may or may not have to do with RCA switching dates about 493 times).

I feel like Jive never really intended for ALTNOY to be a big hit. They never added it to HAC, so that means no Vh1, they pulled down his AOL videos, and hardly gave it any promotion. I feel like they’re just preparing his next single/cd for the summer when all the students are gonna be out.

I don’t understand the concept of releasing a single you don’t want to do well.

I also don’t understand that CHR has changed much. Sucky songs for the most part–check. Playing them every hour–check. Still sucks.

It’s the Perfect Storm for the music biz in general: downloading single songs vs. being forced to buy entire albums ability to choose and listen to music of one’s preference rather than what radio PTB want you to hear penny-pinching recession lack of spending. It’s amazing anyone sells hundreds of thousands of actual CDs anymore.

Interesting reference by DC of artist he’d like to sit in with: Paul McCartney. At the end of CBTM DC totally references the “OOOO ooo OOO ooo” from Macca’s first solo album on “Maybe I’m Amazed”. Manilla Beware. A funny – or not so much funny – story from The Beatles Anthology tells about their visit to the Philippines long ago, when they were basically held hostage by the ruling Marcos family. Can’t remember the reason, but extremely creepy situation. They escaped and vowed never to return. Hope times have changed.

I feel like Jive never really intended for ALTNOY to be a big hit.

Sorry, but this makes no sense.

Sucky songs for the most partà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’check. Playing them every hourà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’check. Still sucks.

I guess sucky is in the eye of the beholder.

… or should I say the ear of the listener?

lol jolene.. got to love the add date changes….

CHR has changed so much since the album was released that it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t fit in any more? I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand that. In what way? Crush did amazingly well. Are you saying if Crush was released today it wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do well because CHR has changed?

ETA: This is a super long post–sorry. lol.

It’s faster, more upbeat–regardless of what genre you want to label any particular song. Lady Gaga ushered in an era of uptempo, dancy songs. Even the alterna-pop songs are kind of dancy. DA’s album has a lot of midtempo songs on it. While sure, Jive could release a midtempo song and maybe CHR would bite, I suspect it’s easier going with a faster song. Back when Crush came out, there were more midtempos on the radio. Then Britney debuted “Womanizer,” then Lady Gaga exploded, and then you have the #1 “Gives You Hell” which is kind of dancy for an alterna-pop song. Katy Perry and Leona Lewis tried releasing ballads after two smash hits each. Katy managed to barely get top 20, and Leona didn’t get that far, rising and falling in about a month’s time.

I remember waaay back when I was following Hanson (woo, go Hanson!), they exploded when they were teens. I mean, they were #1 everywhere. They put out a Christmas album the same year as their studio album and everything looked to be going great. Then a year went by, another year… no second album. It was 3 years before a second album was released. Now granted, that’s an extreme case, but it’s an important point. They had grabbed pretty much as many teen fans as they could possibly grab, and a fraction of those were left when they released their second album. Younger fans generally want more faster. I remember reading about how their label was doing them wrong by not releasing a second studio soon enough–especially since their second and third singles didn’t do nearly as well on the radio as their first. Music industry people kept saying, get an album out the following year. But they didn’t, and the momentum was completely lost. It wasn’t their fault–their label folded and they got moved to a terrible label that didn’t know what to do with them. But the result was the same.

If you can grab a young fan base, and keep them into adulthood, you’ve got a lot of them for life. That’s what I see Jive trying to do. That’s why he’s appearing on Hannah Montana. That’s why he’s getting played up the wazzoo on Radio Disney. That’s why he was on the Kids’ Choice Awards. The success of younger artists like Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers aren’t lost on Jive. They’re trying to get some of that loyalty for Jordin as well because, even though she’s had 3 smash hits on radio, she doesn’t yet have that key fan base. The one that will follow her anywhere because she’s a part of their first musical journeys.

Grabbing that type of success is tough and it doesn’t happen overnight. The Jonas Brothers were dropped from their first label, and early last year they were playing the same venues that David played during his solo tour. Some of these big teen acts will last into adulthood. Some won’t. I think David’s got the talent to successfully move from teen artist to adult artist, and bring those fans who grew up with him on that journey. But he needs to get those fans first. Those fans are into Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez, the Jonas Brothers, and even Taylor Swift. Those are the “cool kids” that are considered the “future” of entertainment. Adults call them Disney, but kids, tweens and some teens see them as their primary source of entertainment. Some of them are actually pretty decent–besides the obvious–Taylor–Demi’s got a kind of Avril Lavigne quality, and some seriously good stage presence. She’s a good singer, and she’ll probably get better. The only reason she’s not yet at Miley-level success is because she hasn’t been out as long, and Hollywood Records hasn’t yet released one of her songs to CHR. But she’s on her way.

ALTNOY didn’t do well. Looking back it seems Jive sort of gave up on the song, probably around the time the Hot AC add date was pulled. Maybe it saw that CHR was getting faster, more uptempo and dancy. Maybe they simply figured they made a mistake in timing. Or maybe they decided they wanted to move on. Promoting a single takes time and money. Jive is a frugal label. I can’t back this up with facts because there simply aren’t any to be had publicly, but I would be surprised if they haven’t made a profit off of David’s album already, regardless of it not hitting platinum. I’d heard about the way Jive ran things before I ever heard of David Archuleta. They subsidize their videos through product promotion; and they did more online promotion sooner than many labels because online promotion is actually cheaper than offline promotion. Their artists’ first albums aren’t generally loaded with big-name producers and writers. Jive knows it needs to recoup what it spends, and I would just be shocked if it hasn’t recouped from David, and more.

This is really only the beginning of David’s career. He’s been a professional musician all of 8 months. I think it’s all really a learning process for Jive–figuring out exactly who his current fans are, figuring out how they can get him a larger audience, and figuring out all that he can really do. Next album will probably reflect what they’ve learned. I see that as a good thing.

For what it’s worth, I’ve noticed that CHR is a lot different than it was even 6 months ago and I agree with a lot of others here–it’s gotten way suckier.

We need to keep in mind that all of the speculation about what JIVE is doing with David’s album on this thread is just that- speculation. It will be interesting to see what they will do.

it’s fun to speculate sometimes.. beats watching nothing good on tv… lol

It wasn’t long ago on CHR that the singer songwriter vibe was being played more.. Love Song, Bubbly.. Say.. I have always listened to top 40 but I just can’t now.. Boom Boom Pow , The College Song.. and all the urban stuff has run me away.

UGG ‘I Love College’ … do not want….

I agree that CHR has gotten suckier…In my market the songs are either dancey (I love Lada Gaga, but Pussycat Dolls, Britney, etc. are way overplayed) or very urban (Flo Rida, T.I., Kanye…). They used to play poppier stuff as well like Jonas Brothers, Natasha Bedingfield, etc but that has fallen by the wayside.

I’m sure that for those people who consider CHR to be uniformly sucky, and therefore don’t listen regularly to the format, the difference isn’t noticeable. It would be like asking me to rate two differently-seasoned liver sandwiches. Neither appeal to me; both suck.

But for many of us that do or did like the CHR format, the difference IS noticeable.

So where do people like Sara Barielles, John Mayer and Jason Mraz, Natasha bedingfield get played these days? Maybe JIVE shouldn’t be aiming for top 40, if it has changed so much.

I think it’s a case of the CHR station in my city was an early adopter of the suckage. They’re very urban. I don’t like it.

ROFL did you just compare radio to liver sandwhiches??? LMAO

But for many of us that do or did like the CHR format, the difference IS noticeable.

Exactly lefty! This is why Jive may as well move on from David’s current album. Who knows though, CHR can change again in a month.. it is a crap shoot and for any artist to get their song played even a little bit, I call a success.

Frogcooke, so your not going to use I Love College as your ringtone?

I think if they get good songs with a variety of tempos, I think it would be fine to put out a second cd sooner rather than later(like next year). After listening to chr for the past months.. you realize just how midtempo his cd is.. compared to whats playing now.

^^ frogcooke, it always comes back to food for me…

Who knows though, CHR can change again in a month.

I was just thinking the same thing. By summer we might be listening to an entirely different sandwich.

(Edited to remove the “liver” part … I’ve decided to be optimistic and hope for roast beef or a BLT.)

So where do people like Sara Barielles, John Mayer and Jason Mraz, Natasha bedingfield get played these days? Maybe JIVE shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be aiming for top 40, if it has changed so much.

These artists rule Hot AC. Which, IMO, is where David belongs too, except Jive is intent on selling him to tweens, who listen to CHR and Radio Disney more …

hahahahaha the liver sandwich thing is funny… or maybe im just sleep deprived..

So where do people like Sara Barielles, John Mayer and Jason Mraz, Natasha bedingfield get played?

Sara Bareilles’s second single was unsuccessful. She’s got “Gravity” that’s coming out as her third and I honestly haven’t kept track of what’s going on with it. It’s not on the pop chart. John Mayer hasn’t released anything recently, although the last thing he released to radio was his live cover of “Free Fallin’” which was played on Hot AC and AC a bit. Jason Mraz’s follow-up single to “I’m Yours,” “Make It Mine,” peaked at #34 on HAC and did absolutely nothing on pop. It didn’t chart anywhere on Billboard–ever. His third single “Lucky,” is doing better–making it to #12 so far on Hot AC. It’s at #71 in CHR, with a -18 bullet. Natasha Bedingfield’s last single, “Angel” didn’t do that well, either.

Really, it’s hit or miss with a lot of artists, especially ones that aren’t doing the faster, uptempo, dancy stuff. They’re either trying for Hot AC and seeing where they can go there (although that format is smaller anyway–with the spins ALTNOY had in CHR at its peak it would have been #23 in Hot AC. As it stands, ALTNOY is at #47 in Hot AC, so it did chart in the top 50 there–and it actually has a 30 bullet. It won’t get much further without the add date, though). Or their singles aren’t doing anything.

David A. was never intended to be a Hot AC artist. That his album fits Hot AC better now is just a matter of circumstance–pure pop (especially if it’s midtempo) is moving to Hot AC at the moment. But as frogcooke said, if he puts out a second album with more of a variety of tempos and beats, he can get a CHR hit. “Zero Gravity” is a CHR song, not a Hot AC song, so he’s entirely capable of putting out what is hot on CHR.

I still don’t get what Jive had to gain by pulling the adds date. If they suspected it wasn’t testing well on Pop I understand not pushing it on there, but isn’t HAC airplay better than failing to do much on Top 40? It’s still a relatively decent audience impression to reach if it did well there.

I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t wait for Cook to have 11 smash hits on the charts again.

LOL I don’t think that will happen again but if CBTM sells ok this week I guess he could have his, what, 13th Hot 100 song?

IDK why I thought this was the adds week but just saw on DCO ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s actually next week for HAC (the confusion may or may not have to do with RCA switching dates about 493 times).

I’m confused too because I could swear it was this week..but there’s an add on hotac.com that says impacting 4/13.

So Jive would rather bury this album and make a whole new one tailor-made to the suckitude CHR changed into (hopefully before it changes again), rather than try HAC?

:blink_tb:

So Jive would rather bury this album and make a whole new one tailor-made to the suckitude CHR changed into (hopefully before it changes again), rather than try HAC?

I just threw up a little in my mouth. Let’s hope that’s not the plan.

Seriously, that would make me so sad. There’s no need for DA to try to squeeze his talents into such a crappy mold. I’d so much rather see him on HAC doing what he does best.

Tatiana- I think you are right about David belonging on Hot AC, but I guess it doesn’t hurt for him to gain fans on CHR too, unless he is not happy singing those songs.

He seems to love “Zero Gravity”. I have heard that JIVE isn’t planning to make it into a single. I hope that isn’t true. I think it is a great song, but hopefully they know what they are doing.

Who knows Jolene… lol But im not gonna worry about it. lol

Though I am kinda worried about what he might sing on idol… no clue whats going on with that..

Oh natasha’s soulmate is at 16 on hac.. btw.. but yeah Angel didnt do so hot. Loved that song btw…. *le sigh*

So Jive would rather bury this album and make a whole new one tailor-made to the suckitude CHR changed into (hopefully before it changes again), rather than try HAC?

CHR is a far bigger format, and kids and teens listen to CHR. Huge stars are made through CHR, not Hot AC. Jason Mraz and John Mayer are considered to have a lot of mainstream success because of their CHR hits, not their Hot AC hits. If Jive wants a big star, they go CHR. They may not have wanted to spend the dough to promote solely to Hot AC. He’s 18 years old and he has many years to go Hot AC. Once he’s established on CHR, he can move singles around formats depending on the type of song.

So where do people like Sara Barielles, John Mayer and Jason Mraz, Natasha bedingfield get played these days? Maybe JIVE shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be aiming for top 40, if it has changed so much.

I agree with this. I don’t think it can be used as an excuse that ALTNOY didn’t do well because top 40 has changed (in some people’s opinions, I still don’t buy it…and I listen to top 40 all the time). Artists and labels have to judge the current market all the time. If top 40 was changing, then Jive should have recognized that and changed their plan. They seemed to do the opposite. Instead of impacting to Hot AC, they got rid of the impact date and left ALTNOY to flail on top 40. Now ALTNOY seems to be entering the Hot AC top 50. But I agree, it is all speculation and we will never ever know what really happened.

Yeah mac thats about all we can do, speculate till we cant speculate any more… and then speculate on top of that..

Jolene, I just think that they got all they need out of the album right now and his songs are fitting the format at the moment so move on and keep things going. Then again, they may decide to take chances on a third single while he is recording another album. I doubt anything is set in stone atm.. Like frog said, I’m not going to worry about it because Jive seems to be pleased with him thus far.

Frog, he’s going to sing Works For Me and point menacingly at Simon while he’s singing.

She probably would have. We donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know what the future holds for Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album. If Jive gives him another chance and he gets a hit single, he will likely outsell Kellieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first album. If he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t, then odds are he wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t. Idol fans can only buy so many units. After that, you have to have a good CD and some hits.

I don’t think she would have come close to outselling him. His biggest problem is that Itunes has become much bigger now, so he’s probably got a few hundred thousand casual fans out there who decided to only purchase Crush– and maybe cherry-pick a few other tracks from the album– that a couple years ago would have just bought the whole CD.

And I’m sorry, …whatever its causes– are competing on a level playing field as those who released before it. About twenty albums total went platinum in 2008. It used to be that any album even worth mentioning (commercially-speaking) went platinum. But, there’s a reason that people are saying that “gold is the new platinum” and “platinum is the new triple-platinum”.

I think its way too soon to call over on Kelly.

I’m not calling over on her. I’m saying I don’t think she will get to 2X platinum. The blogger I linked to questioned, indirectly, whether she’d even go platinum. But, in so saying, even he isn’t calling over on her. Gold is the new platinum, remember?

edit: rude posts will not be tolerated

Frog, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to sing Works For Me and point menacingly at Simon while heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s singing.

LOL. That would be fun… and WFM is available on iTunes now. Haha.

BTW, not all CHR stations are created equal. While the majority of them are going uptempo and dancy, there are a few that are still Hot AC-leaning. My CHR is a Hot AC-leaning CHR. They play more uptempo dance/rhythmic stuff now than they used to, but they still play stuff like 3 Doors Down and Eric Hutchinson. And yes, they play ALTNOY. Believe me when I say that there are a lot of fans that wish Jive hadn’t pulled that Hot AC add date. It’s not that ALTNOY doesn’t fit Hot AC. I think we’re just trying to speculate as to why Jive decided not to go that route. They’ve been around the block a lot longer than we have and have all the information that we don’t. It’s really easy to question a decision when you have limited information.

“Frog, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to sing Works For Me and point menacingly at Simon while heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s singing.”

HA! in my dreams… lol

LOL IGG. Simon would never live down being called ‘baby’ by David.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think it can be used as an excuse that ALTNOY didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do well because top 40 has changed

I really don’t see anyone using this as a sole excuse. There are always a few reasons that a song doesn’t make it. If you haven’t noticed the change in your top 40 then maybe you are in one of the lucky areas’s that hasn’t conformed as much. Both of the stations I listened to have and I’m not happy about it especially since I don’t have a cd player atm.

mac, I for one was not trying to use the change as an excuse; I was just describing the change as I see it. I agree with you that it’s Jive’s job to note these trends, and I think the trend toward rhythmic/dance songs was in motion by the time ALTNOY was released. I’m disappointed that it didn’t perform better on CHR, but I’m not exactly surprised. It wasn’t the right song for the current state of the format. I truly believe it would have done better a few months ago. Or more recently on HAC.

But again … speculation.

I wasn’t talking about aiming for HAC from now until infinity, but it would have made some sense to at least give ALTNOY a shot there – after already making a video, at least a Hot AC add would have likely landed it on VH1, where I don’t doubt it would’ve shot to the top of the chart and stayed there thanks to the fans. That exposure could’ve helped with buzz and facilitated CHR spins as well. I also think that if indeed CHR is so sucky right now, releasing a 3rd single to HAC could’ve helped the album sales towards Platinum. HAC has been known to move units (even if it doesn’t create monster hits).

I get that Jive wants a superstar and the fast way to get there is through CHR, but right now you have a situation where Archie has gotten very little airplay for a long stretch of time, and HAC could have helped with that gap a little until a new album is ready and a new single chosen.

Only Jive knows why they pulled the HAC date… but yeah… they coulda left it and let it attempt to do something on hac.. but alas.. lol Not much to be done about it now

Maybe Jive doesn’t want to even set a HAC precedent. They know CHR–it’s what they market best. It wouldn’t be in Jive’s interest to market an 18 year old kid as a HAC artist, IMO.

Just speculating, of course.

Ah, well … que sera sera …

I’m gonna go to bed and hope not to dream of Flo Rida eating a liver sandwich.

eta: frogcooke,

lefty! LMAO! yeah I need to get to bed too…i gots baking to do tomorrow…

after already making a video, at least a Hot AC add would have likely landed it on VH1, where I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t doubt it wouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve shot to the top of the chart and stayed there thanks to the fans. That exposure couldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve helped with buzz and facilitated CHR spins as well.

I agree with that. Crush was released to Hot AC wasn’t it, because Crush was #1 on VH1 for a long time? That was huge exposure.

Mac and Jolene, I agree with your points but I suspect it may be as Aladdin88 is saying. If that is their reasoning, then I can understand it.

Maybe Jive doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to even set a HAC precedent. They know CHRà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what they market best. It wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be in Jiveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s interest to market an 18 year old kid as a HAC artist, IMO.

Getting some HAC airplay in a transitional period in preparation for a new album down the road doesn’t make one a HAC artist. Miley Cyrus is currently #28 on the HAC chart. I don’t think that will hurt her teen queen reputation. Didn’t Jordin’s songs get HAC airplay?

I agree with that. Crush was released to Hot AC wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t it, because Crush was #1 on VH1 for a long time? That was huge exposure.

And it was also released to CHR. CHR was the primary, Hot AC was the secondary. As others have speculated, Jive may not want the secondary if it’s not getting the primary–at least not at this point in his career. Maybe down the line after he grabs the key younger fan base.

Besides, he’s hardly absent. He’s managed to stay in the press and in blogs. That may not sell albums, but Hot AC doesn’t really sell albums all that well either.

Getting some HAC airplay in a transitional period in preparation for a new album down the road doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make one a HAC artist. Miley Cyrus is currently #28 on the HAC chart. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think that will hurt her teen queen reputation. Didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Jordinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s songs get HAC airplay?

The Climb is also doing very well on CHR, as did Jordin’s songs, as did Crush. They’re not Hot AC songs, they’re CHR songs that happen to also be doing pretty well on Hot AC. Plus, #28 on Hot AC is what–550 spins? It’s a small format.

I think jive gave up on ALTNOY too! Zero Gravity should come out soon as a single! I’m a huge David A. fan and I think Jive is going to have a hard time promoting the other songs off David’s album. Zero gravity is much better suited for the radio and has way more potential for downloads and to do well on the charts!

Oh and I heard 1 of the other albums is a christmas album! If thats true the best schedule would be:

1: release zero gravity as a single soon (next couple of months I’m thinking may when David gets back from Asia and England, and the Philippines)
2: go on summer tour and promote on tour
3: pic another song or songs off album to promote
4: release christmas CD in November (it wouldnt take very long for David to do record a Christmas CD)
5: release new CD summer of 2010

-OR-
1: release zero gravity as a single soon (next couple of months I’m thinking may when David gets back from Asia and England, and the Philippines)
2: go on summer tour and promote on tour
3: pic another song or songs off album to promo
4: new album (not Christmas) released in the winter
5: Christmas album released in november 2010

Ew, so Top 40 in general is moving towards rhythmic? Where I live they’ve always been that way and I’ve been patiently waiting for the general trend to force them to play more pure pop and maybe even alt and rock stuff. Guess I’ll be waiting a little longer (and continue finding refuge over at HAC)…

I can’t stand hip hop anymore. It used to be my favorite genre but now all they talk about is girls and getting money. so useless :/

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Frog, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to sing Works For Me and point menacingly at Simon while heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s singing.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Only if he sings the same runs in the beginning as he did in Reno!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVVBGcOhXfM

David needs more of this vibe on whatever song he makes next!!!!!!!
here it is again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NToOjZhM_M

and isnt david supposed to have an song w/ miley when he is in an episode of Hannah Montana this may

This all makes me really tired. LOL. I’ve been gone for several hours this afternoon and see many posts. It’s all good!

here’s DA’s first singapore interview talks about snow, idol, weird things fans have gotten him, sing happy birthday to someone, gets fed some spicy chicken dish.

Another interview, talks about whats happened so far, like his journey through idol starting with getting signed right after.

part 1
part 2 (theres a little overlap in the background on this one)

Pics of DA in asia today

http://www.pacmee.com/perma/082673062435619340c2554105ab4b9bae5a4d23dcde35f5

I don’t follow the charts but I have to say that every station in my area is still playing Crush! Maybe not heavy rotation, but I hear it a LOT. I know it’s crazy but I wonder if they just put ALTNOY out too soon and it backfired? I don’t get VH1, though. It doesn’t make sense to ignore the followup to a video that dominated the Top 20 Countdown for so many weeks.