Idol Headlines for 02/07/10

I’m looking forward to the Super Bowl itself but am also excited about seeing Daughtry on the tailgate show.

Scott is writing a book?

I’m not missing Paula at all and am looking forward to seeing how Ellen handles herself as judge. I liked what I saw on the preview for Hollywood week. I totally disagree with all of the suggestions from that Saint Louis article.

I very much agree with the St Louis Post article, except for his judge suggestions. Interesting but some of them would make me quit watching, some would be okay in small doses (Katy), and Kris has the musical knowledge but I can’t imagine him in a position of judging others, just way too nice.

‘glamily reunion’ lol i dont even know what to say to that name…

In regards to that St. Louis Today article, I don’t want any of their suggestions for new judges on AI. Very nice they mentioned Kris Allen as someone who would be a credible judge. BUT … I prefer he stick to making music and giving incredible concerts like he did in Manila.

Are there any concert reviews out there yet from the media?

ETA – I think Ellen is actually going to be a good judge. She stank on the dance show, but I think she will take AI much more seriously.

Carrie and Chris Daughtry were both at the CAA Superbowl Party. Here’s the pic:

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Creative+Artists+Agency+Hosts+Super+Bowl+Party+G2kRcCb4AJOl.jpg

When did Chris start growing his hair out? I like it.

Very nice they mentioned Kris Allen as someone who would be a credible judge.

My first reaction is…that would solve the problem of AI running over time!!

Mainegal
02/07/2010 at 10:06 am
Very nice they mentioned Kris Allen as someone who would be a credible judge.

My first reaction is…that will solve the problem of AI running over time!!

No kidding. Kris definitely cuts to the chase.

Chris tweeted a couple of weeks ago that he was going to start growing his hair out. Will take some use to I think..

POP:
23 21 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 2993 2605 388 20.929
+111 Spins
+62 Bullet
+0.555 AI

HAC:
31 27 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 643 525 118 2.302
+27 Spins
+5 Bullet
+0.211 AI

POP:
19 17 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 3936 3684 252 23.781
+52 Spins
+10 Bullet
+0.511 AI

HAC:
8 8 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 2904 2752 152 14.664
+7 Spins
-38 Bullet
-0.063 AI

62 65 ALLISON IRAHETA Friday I’ll Be Over U 235 215 20 0.523

The wonky pop update for WWFM (+18 yday and +111 today) is probably due to some premium clear channel spins ending up on a different day then usualy (WWFM was spun after midnight as opposed to before midnight). The increase in AI seems due to Chicago spins…

Eileen, I tried to answer your question in the previous headline thread;

Eileen, WWFM was chosen as a Clear Channel Premium Choice a few weeks ago. I think it’s then spun on a common show for clear channel stations during night time. It gives an increase in 40-60 spins. LLWD was added to this show last week. Remember LLWD had a weak update and then suddenly surged? That was apparently the Premium Choice spins.

Maybe I shouldn’t say “chosen”… I think a lot of this depends on RCA/Jive marketing and what deals they have with the radio stations. LLWD got Cumulus adds on add date and they still haven’t added WWFM. On the other hand WWFM was a Premium Choice pretty early. Maybe it also differs because Kris is marketed more towards HAC and Adam towards POP.

Saga, do the songs included change each week? So your understandingis that it’s something the label/mgmt work on directly with the station ownership group? It almost seems to verge on unethical, cutting a deal to get spins in a more obvious way than giving concerts or interviews for individual stations, for instance. Fascinating.

For Top40:

WWFM was first added to Premium Choice for the week 1/13/2010 – 1/19/2010.

LLWD was first added to Premium Choice for the week 1/27/2010 – 2/2/2010.

For HAC:

LLWD was first added to Premium Choice for the week 11/18/2009 – 11/24/2009.

Once added to Premium Choice you’ll get those spin as long as you are on the chart, so it’s not like WWFM or LLWD will be kicked out after a few weeks.

Thanks pug & saga – I’m beside myself with giddiness over learning something new, haha. pug, where does one find that Premium Choice add information?

Saga, so in your initial post re: WWFM, you mentioned the lowish update yesterday & higher one today may be because the premium spins spilled over from before midnight to after midnight? Do they seem to register in a block, say from the first spin of the first song of the block, or individually as the songs play?

Sorry for the 8 million questions – I love knowing the detail of it all.

It’s not like he gets 40 spins during one night. It’s a common night show for Clear Channel stations I think so one spin equates to a lot of spins. Like OHP.

Yay! WWFM is #25 on itunes again! It’s been very unsteady this last week!

But now he’s sandwiched between two Lady Gaga songs (Poker Face and Telephone), so I’m sure he’s nice and cozy!

Hopefully won’t drop below #30 again… that’s no fun at all!

And great, steady position for Kris all through the week, low 20′s or high teens… good for Kris!

Eileen99 ’twas my pleasure! Here is the link:

http://addboard.mediabase.com/OtherAdds.asp?Startdate=2%2F3%2F2010&format=H1

Just change what you need and clicking on ‘View Previous Week’ will keep taking you back a week

pug, how high was LLWD on the HAC chart when it was added to the Premium Choice HAC?

Thanks pug!

Eileen99 ’twas my pleasure! Here is the link:

http://addboard.mediabase.com/OtherAdds.asp?Startdate=2%2F3%2F2010&format=H1

Just change what you need and clicking on ‘View Previous Week’ will keep taking you back a week

Wow, this is interesting! The Scripts updates suddenly makes sense, Keshas as well. They were really late on the Bierber song though…

Huh?

http://perezhilton.com/2010-02-07-quote-of-the-day-683

saga – LLWD was lying at #21 when it got the HAC premium add.

Pug, do you know if The Script was a Premium Choice this whole week, or just the last few days?

Since the Fantasy Springs event is in the headline, I will bring it up. I just bought my ticket last night. I wish I hadn’t waffled on going, because all of the good seats are taken. But as long as the sound is good, that is the most important thing. I can’t believe this venue holds 3600 people?

I hate the glamily family reunion name, but I think I will buy a ticket as I am going by myself and don’t know anyone. I know lots of people are going by themselves so it might be a good chance to meet up. It’s about a two hour drive for me, so I haven’t decided if I’m going to stay the night or not yet. I drive to Vegas on a regular basis and this is about half the distance, so I’m not bothered about it.

The reason I waited so long to buy my ticket was that I was afraid of my picture ending up on the internet with a caption reading “sparkle cow attends concert, poor Adam.” Then I thought to myself, why am I going to stop doing something I have done for years, (travelling by myself and attending concerts,) because I am afraid of being mocked? I really enjoy Adam’s album and listen to it all the time. He might hit it big one day and I will regret not seeing him now. I was fortunate to see the Red Hot Chilli Peppers when they played at my university in the 1980s and I was fortunate to see Jane’s Addiction at local clubs when they were just getting started.

It made me think of how weird this whole idol thing is for both the idols and their fans. Idols always have to shake off the idol stigma, and their fans also have to endure their own stamp of shame. How did that happen? I’m fairly new to the idol world. This is only the second season I voted for a contestant. The only other idol I voted for was David Cook and I voted pretty hard for him. I bought his album and was disappointed in it and hence, I’ve never attended one of his concerts.

So anyhew, I will not wear sparkle or put color in my hair, but at the same time I’m not going to criticize anyone I see doing that. Whatever brings a person some happiness. It’s harmless fun. I may try and get the glamily family ticket thingy. I’ll bring my camera but I don’t expect I will get good shots because of my crappy seat, but I promise to write a recap.

undercook, there are lots of fans going, and I think a lot of them feel a bit hesitant about that reunion thing…

Happy Super Bowl Sunday everybody!

iTunes updates

#17 LLWD
#25 WWFM
#313 FYE

#48 Kris Allen
#94/#178 FYE

From the mediabase updates, it looks like both guys are stalling a little bit on Hat AC right now. The AI increases in pop are good though. Look like WWFM won’t quite crack the Top 20 for this week, though, unless I’m missing some song(s) that will go recurrent.

I voted for was David Cook and I voted pretty hard for him. I bought his album and was disappointed in it and hence, I’ve never attended one of his concerts.

Just saying from someone who has been to five … go to a live show if you get a chance. A zillion times better than the album. Really.

And I’m 36 and had my moments where I felt silly for going to shows and then got over it. I don’t make glitter signs, I don’t wear Cookie on my earrings, I just get dressed up and have a good time. Nothing wrong with that, and I get your point with seeing them in a small venue, I got to sit as close as like 3rd row and if he continues to get bigger when will I ever get to do that again? Go have fun (and catch a Cook show next time and tell me what you think because I think you’d love it).

undercooked

Enjoy the event and have a great time. When I was younger, whenever I tried to do anything, I was always so self-conscious and afraid of what people would thought about me. As I grow older I realize that I have missed so much in my life doing things that I enjoyed to do. In life, many things would have passed and may not come back again. So, enjoy your life and do things you want to do. I wish someone have told me this before.

Huh?

http://perezhilton.com/2010-02-07-quote-of-the-day-683

totally old quote.. as long as he doesn’t draw penis in Kris mouth, it doesn’t matter

thanks people for the numbers this morning

As for Kris being mentioned as a judge, I’d like to hear his opinion rather than the one of some other judges..

undercooked

, ..well done and have a lot of fun at the show!

undercooked

The tags they put on the Idols and their fans are unfair. It’s just a handful of BSC people who make it easy for the media and general public to lump all the fans into one pile. As long as they don’t cross any lines of behavior, it’s should all be pure fun, right?

So I hope you have a great time. I know Adam will put on a fantastic performance. I have to work that Saturday, or I would have gotten a ticket and gone by myself, too. (of course now I have to save all my pennies for when Kris decides to actually have a full concert in the general So Cal area instead of halfway around the world…)

Undercooked-

You go and have a blast!

Who the hell cares about the people who name other people “sparkle cows”???

You are going to see ADAM LAMBERT!!!

Just putting things into perspective for ya… hee hee

So, enjoy your life and do things you want to do. I wish someone have told me this before.

Yup. Exactly. I’ve spent way too much of my life being self-conscious and afraid of doing things… not missing out anymore because of it. Plus when you go to a show you are going somewhere with fans who have at least one similar interest – in this case Adam – so you’re bound to make friends.

Both Kris and Adam have said they would definitely be an AI judge if asked to do so. I doubt that’s gonna happen anytime soon, though. And they are better served focusing on their own careers, anyway.

I saw that FS is promoting a “very special surprise” for the glamily reunion.

Just a teaser hoping fans will infer that to mean an Adam meet/greet??
..or maybe it’s just a promotion trick and the surprise is they are adding nachos to the hors d’ oeuvres table.

And I’m 36 and had my moments where I felt silly for going to shows and then got over it. I don’t make glitter signs, I don’t wear Cookie on my earrings, I just get dressed up and have a good time. Nothing wrong with that, and I get your point with seeing them in a small venue, I got to sit as close as like 3rd row and if he continues to get bigger when will I ever get to do that again? Go have fun (and catch a Cook show next time and tell me what you think because I think you’d love it).

Thanks tierbeer. I’ve heard Cook’s live shows are terrific, so I do think I will try and catch a concert. I have high hopes for Cook’s second album as I think it will be very good.

ETA- Thanks everyone for the words of support. I’m really glad I bought this ticket and you are all right. If there is an opportunity to do something you want to do, why not take it?

Both Kris and Adam have said they would definitely be an AI judge if asked to do so. I doubt that’s gonna happen anytime soon, though. And they are better served focusing on their own careers, anyway.

Yeah… wouldn’t that be a career killer? It needs someone current but VERY established… Like Shania Twain. It would be fun to see Robbie Williams on idol actually.

Kelly would be my choice among the idols, though I would want someone on the panel that embraces the dance/electronic side of POP.

Yeah… wouldn’t that be a career killer? It needs someone current but VERY established… Like Shania Twain. It would be fun to see Robbie Williams on idol actually.

saga, yeah it would be premature for a permanent judge role. But as a guest judge for a city’s audition, it would be totally fun to watch

Just a teaser hoping fans will infer that to mean an Adam meet/greet??
..or maybe it’s just a promotion trick and the surprise is they are adding nachos to the hors d’ oeuvres table.

It would take more than Nachos to get me excited. Jalepeno poppers? Now you’re talking…

undercooked…. Don’t you think for one second about going to Fantasy Springs by yourself. There will be many many others there solo too. I went to two Idol concerts this summer and the one I had the most fun was the one I went alone. I bought 4th row tickets from stubhub and they were expensive. My friend wouldn’t. It was un-frigging amazing to be so close and the people around me were fantastic. Half the time you can’t tell who’s with someone or not. We just had one thing in common…Adam.

Adam is so lucky to have all his different types of fans…from youngest to sparkly people (not cows) to 89 year olds. I can’t think of one performer out there that has this currently. His core fans of all shapes, sizes and ages will propel him to the universe and beyond. I believe he knows this even though he may not state it.

Would have gone to Fantasy Springs…alone….but couldn’t get the time off (still curious on why AdamOfficial has nothing about this). But I have put in for time off New Years eve and will go to wherever he is (hopefully)…solo . Who cares! Life is too short…with all the bad things going on in the world you have to live in the current and hope for the best. Have a wonderful time undercooked. Wish I could be there with ya!!!!

Daughtry should stay bald, it suits him.

undercooked
02/07/2010 at 11:57 am
Just a teaser hoping fans will infer that to mean an Adam meet/greet??
..or maybe it’s just a promotion trick and the surprise is they are adding nachos to the hors d’ oeuvres table.

It would take more than Nachos to get me excited. Jalepeno poppers? Now you’re talking…

Sold!! I’m in!! LOL

Undercooked–don’t worry about it. You will be in a room with a couple thousand people who are there only to see Adam! (Unlike the AI tour)! How cool will that be? I am leaving my husband at home, taking my girlfriend and we are both just looking forward to hearing Adam sing and “entertain us”. Not going to the Glamily thing–$30 for appetizers?? I think we will be able to spot each other around the casino–LOL. Maybe we should all wear discrete black ribbons around our wrists. Or glitter!! It’ll all be good and we will all be glad we heard him live.

OK, how about P Diddy, Kanye or Jay-Z as idol judges? To bring in people from an previous unrepresented area in pop music?

I personally don’t like Diddy. Kanye seems like a riot though. I doubt idol will be boring with him but I guess it’ll be having a Diva 1000 times worse than Paula…

Kris has arrived in Malaysia!

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2e2016w&s=6

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=nmn4mb&s=6

There’s a twitter page for people who will be going to his appearance(s)

http://twitter.com/Kris_Malaysia

I wonder if they are showing the Super Bowl there? (it would be on around 7:30 a.m. Malaysian time). He’s a huge football fan — would he forego a little sleep in order to see the game?

Maingal…..My comrad in thinking…..
Maybe hot artichoke dip … or maybe one of those silly games that you are forced to endure when you go to a baby shower! “Win an Adam coffee mug” Whoot whoot!!!

But honestly, I would go to this thing if I was there…cheesy or not!!

undercooked..I admire your spirit! Go and have a blast! (and don’t worry about what to wear – just “be who you is”!

“If there is an opportunity to do something you want to do, why not take it?”

reminds me of my grandmother’s saying “if your choice is to do somethin’ or nothin’..do the somethin’!”

Is the rock my town concert this friday? Or saturday?

Maybe hot artichoke dip … or maybe one of those silly games that you are forced to endure when you go to a baby shower! “Win an Adam coffee mug” Whoot whoot!!!

Yes, there is the concern about the Adam bingo being hauled out. I wish I knew what the surprise was. I’m not that bothered about meeting him since I really don’t have much to talk to him about. I’ve seem him up close before as he and I use the same Ford Dealership and I was there for the press event when he picked up his mustang.

I guess if I get to meet him, the only thing I could think of asking him would be if there is any chance he might record any Citizen Vein stuff. Otherwise, everything I want to know about him has been covered in interviews.

It’s too bad that Adam and Cook have their concerts the same night. People could have taken in both if they were one night apart. Now they have to just stick with their favorite. I know several Cook fans have said they would have tried to see both, if they’d been scheduled differently.

It does seem odd that Adam’s gig hasn’t yet been confirmed or talked about by any sources other than the casino, unless I’ve just missed it. I wonder what the delay in confirmation is?

I guess if I get to meet him, the only thing I could think of asking him would be if there is any chance he might record any Citizen Vein stuff. Otherwise, everything I want to know about him has been covered in interviews.

I’ve got a question for you. Ask him if they might remix Broken Open and release it as a dance song? You know, something like this…

http://www.youtube.com/user/officialtiesto?blend=1&ob=4&rclk=cti

I would LOVE that.

It does seem odd that Adam’s gig hasn’t yet been confirmed or talked about by any sources other than the casino, unless I’ve just missed it. I wonder what the delay in confirmation is?

AO says they won’t confirm a rumor. The organizor says they have a signed contract and that the show will definetely happen. I just think AO is slow.

Kris has arrived in Malaysia!

What local delicacy he will try there? I could go for some fish head curry right now, myself. KL is fab.

I’ve got a question for you. Ask him if they might remix Broken Open and release it as a dance song? You know, something like this…

Will do! I wish I knew if there would be a meet and greet at the glamily familty reunion, but alas, I agree that the surprise is probably going to be the nachos!

Weird Adam hasn’t tweeted about it either. It’s less than 3 weeks away. Don’t get the strategy. How far ahead was Gridlock announced? Can’t remember. Wouldn’t want to go there and have a look-alike dude named Andy Blamberg show up! LOL I’m sure it’s all legit. Probably just testing the waters on how sales do with no publicity.

It’s too bad that Adam and Cook have their concerts the same night. People could have taken in both if they were one night apart. Now they have to just stick with their favorite. I know several Cook fans have said they would have tried to see both, if they’d been scheduled differently

ITA. And what would have been cool is if they could have each showed up at the other’s concert for some sort of duet. Cook and Adam are on the same label so I think someone missed an opportunity. It seems like both these gigs were unexpected? I know Adam’s was a surprise, and from what I have read, so was Cook’s.

i brought the link to Kris eating balut in the Philippines in case some people didn’t see it and want to watch. It’s funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auBA2B3hHCk

saga

The Kradison Rock My Town concert in NYC is this coming Friday (the 12th)

This may have been posted yesterday but WWFM at 33 on AT40. Up from 35.
“Undercook” I saw David twice and he is fantastic in concert. Go on his next tour.
I’m 49 and would never let someone or a group discourage me from going. Life is way to short. So glad you are going. I will be there with my 47 year old sister. We love Adam and David!!

Doesn’t it seem like Adam’s and Kris’s official sites are the last to post information, especially about appearances? That stuff is usually on twitter and other social networking sites WAY before it shows up on the official sites

I assume that Kris is signing autographs in one of girlygirl’s tinypics. If so, how wonderfully polite the people are…….no crowding or touching.

Hmm, I think both shows are a way for the Casinos to get some revenue on a “dead” week. They need artists with a fanbase very interested in live shows for that. I am sure both Cook and Adam is paid well to attract business.

undercooked -

I’m glad you decided to go to the Fantasy Springs concert, even though by yourself. I did that for the AI summer tour, my first concert in years, and met three younger Glambert women who have become dear friends. In fact the four of us will be traveling from the east coast to Fantasy Springs for the concert, which falls on my actual birthday! We hope to attend the 5-7 pm Official Glamily Reunion as well. It should be fun to meet other Adam fans from all over the world.

Adam has brought the joy of living back to me and I am proud to be a Glambert. At my age I don’t think I’ll do the rock look with the blue hair but I guess I would qualify as a “sparkle cow”, derogatory as that sounds. Look for a very short grandma wearing a rhinestone pin that reads “Glambert 1755″ and you’ll find me. Hope to meet you there!

If there is an opportunity to do something you want to do, why not take it?

Truer words were never spoken, undercooked. If I didn’t live on the east coast, I’d be right there with you. Enjoy every moment and give a little extra cheer/scream/drool for me…….

Perez is on a dissing idols train today. Now he thinks David A’s ass is huge… who poisoned his breakfast?

I’m sure these casino shows are one-off gigs where the headliner is paid a guaranteed appearance fee if he can sell x amount of tickets. Why would RCA or 19 spend their bucks advertising if the shows sell well without any off site promo? The casinos probably have a few standard web sites where they promote their headliners and the “local” papers in the area probably carry a weekly “who is playing where” advert. And the casinos invariably do some “highway” signage.

Advertising off site for these “remote” type locations and gigs that are not “tour” related are probably not really needed. The casinos rake in the cash with increased gambling, lots of alcohol and food sales, room bookings, etc. In fact, for Fantasy, $30 bucks for an appetizer buffet is high way robbery, IMHO. If it’s a total dinner buffet with all the trimmings and sit down tables that may be a different story.

I’m sure both gigs are going to be close to “sell outs” and the casino will gift (to the high rollers) any tickets that haven’t been sold so the venues will probably be totally full.

I go to tons of concerts in nyc and there are always people of all ages there, even for the most indie avant garde artists. There were all ages at the lady gaga concerts (or so I read – I waited too long to get tix and they were old out). I’m going with a bunch of 40 something friends to see the black eyed peas in a few weeks (free tix from a client). Age shouldn’t be an issue if u want to see a performace -idol or not. Have fun in fantasy springs. Should be a great show – wish I could go

undercooked ….

It’s much nicer to say ‘I’m glad I went’ then to say ‘I wish I had gone’

tess….everything you said makes sense….thanks

Doesn’t it seem like Adam’s and Kris’s official sites are the last to post information, especially about appearances?

That’s pretty typical of all official sites. The go to places for info have always been the fan sites. And now, add twitter to that.

Perez is on a dissing idols train today. Now he thinks David A’s ass is huge… who poisoned his breakfast?

I don’t think Perez writes his own blogs anymore. He’s got his younger sister and a few underlings taking care of the grunt work these days, while he’s off playing the celebrity. lol.

Or the Boy Band Manager!

Adam is so lucky to have all his different types of fans…from youngest to sparkly people (not cows) to 89 year olds.

Yep, the current issue of J-14 (tween magazine) listed 5 hottest guys. Adam is #4. The list in order: Bieber, Lautner, Nick Jonas, Lambert and Pattinson.

Pic of Kelly and her band before her Dublin concert http://twitpic.com/11jpkn

Undercooked- I am so glad you decided to join us at the concert. Being one of Adam’s fans in their fifties is a little embarrassing for me since I don’t have any friends or family that quite “get it”. I have only told a couple folks that I am going to the concert and decided that it was better to go by myself and be surrounded by other folks who feel as passionately about Adam as I do versus having a friend tag along. I bought pretty expensive tickets for myself and my sister to the AI live tour this summer. She was a good sport but I could tell she wasn’t nearly as excited as I was to be there. Sort of took the excitement out of the evening.

I can’t believe that you have had the opportunity to see Adam up close. I agree that I might have a really hard time figuring out what exactly to say to him other than what he has heard a million times. Maybe that is ok because he hasn’t heard it from me. Telling someone that they have made a difference in your life is worth it. Hope I get the chance some day.

saw this on twitter. It’s surprising, because even now I only hear LLWD occasionally on that station (of course I only listen when I’m driving…)

wehoscott
#Kris Allen’s LLWD is now #2 on KBIG’s yes.com chart position.

I have only told a couple folks that I am going to the concert and decided that it was better to go by myself and be surrounded by other folks who feel as passionately about Adam as I do versus having a friend tag along.

LOL! I know what you mean, and how did that happen? How did we get embarrassed about going to a concert? Especially if you look at the big picture. I’m the same age as Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam and a year younger than Johhny Depp, yet somehow, because I am a woman, I feel like I need to be to be put on a floating ice berg and set adrift out to sea.

Hey, but if Adam can go out there and change things up, then it’s time for the rest of us to toss out stereotypes and biases against women over 40. The concert should be a lot of fun. I hope the acoustics are good and I hope they have the big screens up for those of us in the cheaper seats.

Still on the fence about the glammy cocktail party. But I can’t imagine it wouldn’t be a good laugh. May just have to go for the full experience.

Undercooked……I’m so excited for you. You’ll have the time of your life. I’m attending also with a bunch of friends that I met through our love for Adam. We met online prior to attending the Auburn Hills concert and we also all attended the Grand Rapids concert together. We’ve been meeting monthly for dinner and drinks ever since. It’s added another dimension to my life that I’m truly grateful for. We’re all very accepting people that love being around each other and having fun. We plan on partying all weekend and could care less if we sleep or not. Do our families think we’re nuts? Probably…..but life isn’t a dress rehearsal, you only get one shot. My husband and son have taken it pretty well actually because they know how much fun I’m having. When momma’s happy, everybody’s happy, right? LOL

So my advice to everyone is go see your favorite in concert whenever you can….meet new people and enjoy life.

Yep, the current issue of J-14 (tween magazine) listed 5 hottest guys. Adam is #4. The list in order: Bieber, Lautner, Nick Jonas, Lambert and Pattinson.

Wow – that is awesome (young) company! I think he does have a lot of younger fans from AI, and hope that that can increase with things like WWFM (that vid is very angsty/hot – perfect for the tween set).

Perez is on a dissing idols train today. Now he thinks David A’s ass is huge… who poisoned his breakfast?

I don’t think Perez writes his own blogs anymore. He’s got his younger sister and a few underlings taking care of the grunt work these days, while he’s off playing the celebrity. lol.

Plus it wasn’t original. It was done a couple of days ago by another blog and was done in a way that made “most” of Archie’s fanbase howl with laughter. haha!

http://www.tabloidprodigy.com/?p=10243

And besides, there’s been an entire thread devoted to his “assets” on IDF since early days of AI. rofl

So my advice to everyone is go see your favorite in concert whenever you can….meet new people and enjoy life.

ITA – I’ve been to multiple out-of-town AI trips this year (to see Kris and Adam in NYC, AI tours, etc.) – and even when travelling alone, I’ve met so many awesome fans of both the show and these guys – I still stay in touch with them, and it’s just been a very rewarding experience

LOL jrb… yes, yes there has been, and i stay far far away from that thread. lol

Wow – that is awesome (young) company! I think he does have a lot of younger fans from AI, and hope that that can increase with things like WWFM (that vid is very angsty/hot – perfect for the tween set).

I can assure you Adam has lots of younger fans. My two nieces, ages 12 and 14, are crazy about Adam and so are their friends. I never understood why some people say his fan base is mostly older women … that’s just not true. He has fans of all ages.

Talk about younger fans…did you see the M.O.D. videos from when he was in Toronto? Those girls screaming for Adam. I had to turn down the volume on my computer. But it was great seeing this. Adam looked a little stunned too.

I can assure you Adam has lots of younger fans. My two nieces, ages 12 and 14, are crazy about Adam and so are their friends. I never understood why some people say his fan base is mostly older women … that’s just not true. He has fans of all ages.

Having been to the AI tour shows, plus Early Show, and GMA Summer Concert, I agree that he has many younger (especially college age, twenty-something) fans. I was standing in line with mostly 20-somethings at the Early Show.

I think he and Kris both have quite a few of those (in fact, Kris’s probably skews the youngest, overall, which is where part of his AI fanbase problem might lie, since the AI demographic, in general skews older – and peeps like Adam and Danny have picked up more of those than Kris.

I’m still on the fence about the FS pre party. I would pay for 2 and at $30 a ticket, will it be worth it. But then if I don’t and its sold out, I will regret it. What to do?
Glad to see so many coming to the FS concert. I’m only a 90 minute drive away, so no big deal. I live in Orange County but I see fans are flying in. WOW !!

yeah i dont think perez writes on his blogs nemore either!

ADamslamb….if it were me I would buy a ticket for the pre-party. If it turns out to be a flop, so what? You can have a big laugh about it. There’s a 50/50 chance it might be fun. What the hey. Go for it!

Adamslamb……my advice? Go for it. If it’s a bust, oh well. But if it isn’t, you’ll be kicking yourself in the a$$ over a $60 decision. We’ll likely never see Adam in a small venue again, so I say live it up and don’t miss a thing.

BTW….our group is flying 2,000 miles for the event, and I fully intend on taking in everything. I refuse to be on the plane flying home Sunday saying to myself…”I wish I would have…..”.

undercooked
02/07/2010 at 12:09 pm

Maybe hot artichoke dip … or maybe one of those silly games that you are forced to endure when you go to a baby shower! “Win an Adam coffee mug” Whoot whoot!!!

Yes, there is the concern about the Adam bingo being hauled out. I wish I knew what the surprise was. I’m not that bothered about meeting him since I really don’t have much to talk to him about. I’ve seem him up close before as he and I use the same Ford Dealership and I was there for the press event when he picked up his mustang.

I guess if I get to meet him, the only thing I could think of asking him would be if there is any chance he might record any Citizen Vein stuff. Otherwise, everything I want to know about him has been covered in interviews.

I am going so hope to meet you there. I highly doubt Adam will go to the Gamily thing.

As far as Citizen Vein, Monte had a twitter party a couple of weeks ago and said they have about 23 songs and he and Adam want to record an album when they can (probably depends on 19M) and that Adam wants to keep the name Citizen Vein but the everyone else hates the name.

Yep……you are so right. What’s $60 to be with fellow Adam people. I can easily drop that much in a slot machine at FS.

For me, going on this trip to SoCal will be a dream, even without Adam! With DC dealing with mutliple blizzards at this point, I think I’m just gonna permanently stay out there Who needs return tickets?

Mary102

I was talking to my parents today — they got nearly 2 feet of snow in NJ — but they still don’t want to move out here to sunny So Cal. Now, what’s up with that? LOL

“I highly doubt Adam will go to the Gamily thing. ”
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Oh dear God…..can you even imagine him walking into a room of 400 women? As much as I’d love to see him there, the dude would seriously be in jeopardy of leaving the room fully clothed and in one piece.

Did I read somewhere though that there are balconies in this room where the glamily party is being held? A nice touch would be Adam and the band just to step out on a balcony…far above us crazed women and just give a little wave and hello for a second. I think they’d get a kick out of everybody screaming and carrying on.

Mary102
02/07/2010 at 3:05 pm
For me, going on this trip to SoCal will be a dream, even without Adam! With DC dealing with mutliple blizzards at this point, I think I’m just gonna permanently stay out there Who needs return tickets?
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You are SOOOOO right. It’s worth my plane ticket if I can just sit in the sun for a few hours Saturday and Sunday. We haven’t had much snow in MI but it’s been so cold. If I can just sit at the pool and sweat for a couple hours, I’ll be a happy camper.

I do a lot of stuff alone- because not everyone shares the same interests as I do, or the same priorities.

For instance, I LOVE skiing. It’s a huge huge passion of mine, but in my part of the world, snow is a bit of a fairy- tale, we’ve got one bloody little mountain that the whole country comes to on the two-three weekends that there is actually any snow in… if there’s any snow…

And NONE of my friends ski. Only my brother- but he has other things on his mind, and skiing is expensive. So instead of sitting and brooding, I went ahead and booked a ski vacation in Italy, BY MYSELF.

And you know what, I am sure I’ll meet other people, and I’m sure I’ll have a blast! Just like you will, Undercooked! And everyone else who is goingto see Adam at SF!

If I had enough money to make the trip to the US, I would definitely go see Adam Lambert!

He is at his prime right now- with the best voice I personally have ever heard! Who knows what will come to pass in a few more years? Hopefully he’ll continue to be the amazing singer&performer he is! But who knows? Maybe he’ll give it all up and become a movie star and never perform live again??

Anyway- you guys are lucky to be going- and I know you’ll enjoy yourselves tremendously!

“So my advice to everyone is go see your favorite in concert whenever you can….meet new people and enjoy life.”

I want all of you that are going to Adam’s concert to have a great time. You should also go to the glamily thing. I want to come so badly, but my mom’s coming on the 20th from Phoenix for a month and I haven’t seen her since last year. The 20th is also my birthday and I surely would have given myself this trip for a gift. I even checked out the prices, etc. Everyone here thought I was crazy to be going by myself, but I told them I would meet lots of friends there. It’s gonna look too bad if I abandon my mom though, even though she looovvves casinos. It’s too hard though for her to travel all that way back again. If I’d known about it earlier, I would have met her there and then brought her back here with me. Oh well, I look forward to all your stories and videos.

was reading the whole thread since I haven’t for a while.
Undercooked – glad you’re going to your Adam concert. have fun. and go to a Cook concert when you get a chance. he is fabulous live.

tls62
02/07/2010 at 3:20 pm

Mary102
02/07/2010 at 3:05 pm
For me, going on this trip to SoCal will be a dream, even without Adam! With DC dealing with mutliple blizzards at this point, I think I’m just gonna permanently stay out there Who needs return tickets?
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You are SOOOOO right. It’s worth my plane ticket if I can just sit in the sun for a few hours Saturday and Sunday. We haven’t had much snow in MI but it’s been so cold. If I can just sit at the pool and sweat for a couple hours, I’ll be a happy camper.

Right now at 12:25 p.m. the temp in Indio is 65 and it was 44 last night. But you may be in luck for a breaking a sweat as they are forecasting the temps on 2/27 to be 78 for the high and 49 for the low.

As far as Citizen Vein, Monte had a twitter party a couple of weeks ago and said they have about 23 songs and he and Adam want to record an album when they can (probably depends on 19M) and that Adam wants to keep the name Citizen Vein but the everyone else hates the name.

Ok, so that question is answered! Here’s hoping Adam will fill out his song set at FS with ROF and some Citizen Vein stuff.

12:30 pm (West Coast) iTunes update:

#16 LLWD
#24 WWFM

both still slowly moving up the chart. Which bodes well for the sales #’s…

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“Right now at 12:25 p.m. the temp in Indio is 65 and it was 44 last night. But you may be in luck for a breaking a sweat as they are forecasting the temps on 2/27 to be 78 for the high and 49 for the low.”
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Adamland….If you can pull off anything above zero with windchills in the sub zero numbers, I’ll be happy. I truly think at this point I could break a sweat in anything above freezing. Actually to give you a little perspective, I went to Menard’s this afternoon and it’s quite nice today…no wind, probably 20 degrees. As I walk in, there’s a dude walking out with shorts, sandals and a short sleeved shirt on. I sh*t you not. When you think 20 degrees is a heat wave, something is truly wrong. So trust me….if you can supply us easterners with anything better than what we’re living in right now…..we’ll be forever grateful.

Oh man, I just saw the Kris vid eating the local dish…

It took me a minute to realize it was him! I didn’t know he had glasses! He looks pretty cute in them too!

tls62
02/07/2010 at 3:43 pm

“Right now at 12:25 p.m. the temp in Indio is 65 and it was 44 last night. But you may be in luck for a breaking a sweat as they are forecasting the temps on 2/27 to be 78 for the high and 49 for the low.”
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Adamland….If you can pull off anything above zero with windchills in the sub zero numbers, I’ll be happy. I truly think at this point I could break a sweat in anything above freezing. Actually to give you a little perspective, I went to Menard’s this afternoon and it’s quite nice today…no wind, probably 20 degrees. As I walk in, there’s a dude walking out with shorts, sandals and a short sleeved shirt on. I sh*t you not. When you think 20 degrees is a heat wave, something is truly wrong. So trust me….if you can supply us easterners with anything better than what we’re living in right now…..we’ll be forever grateful.

Believe me, living here has few advantages and the weather is the main advantage. But when it rains life as we know it on the freeways stops and we might as well sleep in our cars. Unless another El Nino storm happens to come that weekend you will have your nice sunny weather in the Indio area with a view of the mountains.

You see pictures of Adam wearing a leather jacket most of the time right? Well, I lived in Santa Barbara and got used to the cooler weather up the coast and wore just a long sleeved shirt when it was 55 degrees when my daughter would drive up from L.A. and swear it was “freezing” and be bundled up in sweats and a jacket. People wear leather jackets and scarves when the temp is in the 50s in the L.A. area.

Lots of beautiful professional photos of Archie and Cook from their Manila concert…

http://xylene168.multiply.com/photos/album/99/David_Cook_and_David_Archuleta_live_in_Manila

luval
02/07/2010 at 12:21 pm

Weird Adam hasn’t tweeted about it either. It’s less than 3 weeks away. Don’t get the strategy. How far ahead was Gridlock announced? Can’t remember. Wouldn’t want to go there and have a look-alike dude named Andy Blamberg show up! LOL I’m sure it’s all legit. Probably just testing the waters on how sales do with no publicity.

The same thing happened with Gridlock. AO did not have it listed. Adam tweeted about it on December 19th and as far as I can remember that was the first acknowledgment that it was going forward other than the people from Tlk Fusion swearing they had a signed contract.

12:30 pm (West Coast) iTunes update:

#16 LLWD
#24 WWFM

both still slowly moving up the chart. Which bodes well for the sales #’s…

Sweet. Guess the Grammys effect is slowly wearing off.

These Idol guys are in Cosmopolitan magazine:
Archie, Bo, Adam, Justin, Kris, Chris, Cook, and Taylor.

Guy Watch: Putting the O in Idol
Granted, it must be a thrill to be on American Idol, but these past contestants seem a little, um, overexcited onstage.

http://twitpic.com/11re29

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Thanks for the info! I have to see if I can get time off from work first. And if I go, I’m gonna make it into a real vacation, like 4-5 days in the Bahamas…which if nothing else will make me feel better than spending $1000 just to go see a concert! I was going to take a vacation in April if I could get the time off, anyway. But I don’t know if I can talk myself into spending this much money…I’m pretty cheap (er…frugal). It took me a week just to talk myself into going to Vegas, and that was much cheaper!

It would be a lot easier if he would just play a concert here in So Cal…

ITA. And what would have been cool is if they could have each showed up at the other’s concert for some sort of duet. Cook and Adam are on the same label so I think someone missed an opportunity. It seems like both these gigs were unexpected? I know Adam’s was a surprise, and from what I have read, so was Cook’s.

This. I’m not a huge Adam fan but I like him and have bought 5 tracks. My parnter & I decided 2 nights in Palm Springs makes for a nice long weekend. I would have gone to see Adam on an adjacent night. Very much a lost opportunity. Showing up at each other’s concert would have been great for the fandoms… the David vs. David stuff (what little was left) came to an end with Manila. Both fan groups cheered both guys and loved the love on stage.

“You see pictures of Adam wearing a leather jacket most of the time right? Well, I lived in Santa Barbara and got used to the cooler weather up the coast and wore just a long sleeved shirt when it was 55 degrees when my daughter would drive up from L.A. and swear it was “freezing” and be bundled up in sweats and a jacket. People wear leather jackets and scarves when the temp is in the 50s in the L.A. area.”
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Adamland…..that is so funny. It cracks me up to see him in long sleeve layers all of the time, including leather jackets. I would be sweating bullets in 50 degree weather with a leather jacket on. Especially in the early spring after we’ve suffered through 5 months of freezing temps. 50 degrees in March or April is bathing suit weather around here!

That scarf he had on in Canada that Oprah gave him…which likened a small comforter….totally cracked me up.

I would be sweating bullets in 50 degree weather with a leather jacket on. Especially in the early spring after we’ve suffered through 5 months of freezing temps. 50 degrees in March or April is bathing suit weather around here!

See, I felt that way when I lived in Russia during college. I remember it being 20 degrees and snowing, and I was only wearing a long-sleeved t-shirt. But now that I’ve been back in SoCal for years, I bundle up for fifty degrees the way I did for blowing snow and zero degrees in St. Petersburg. Guess it’s all the context you’re in.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who has been worried that there’s no publicity for the Adam concert. I keep thinking it will turn out to be a scam or canceled. I may not be able to go after all, but I do have a ticket, and I don’t want to have been ripped off.

vorona….Go back a couple of pages and read Tess’s take on this show. I think she’s correct. Plus I think you would hear an outcry from Adam’s people if this was a scam. Especially with all the publicity about Isabelle. I don’t think they would let people keep buying tickets if this show wasn’t gonna happen.

Oh, Scott…can you think of a thread or video I can check out to see Adam’s “Oprah” comforter scarf?

“I’m glad I’m not the only one who has been worried that there’s no publicity for the Adam concert. I keep thinking it will turn out to be a scam or canceled. I may not be able to go after all, but I do have a ticket, and I don’t want to have been ripped off”
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I’m sure there’s no need to worry…Fantasy Springs wouldn’t be selling tickets if it wasn’t a done deal. Adam will probably tweet something this week now that his vay cay is over and he’ll be back in working mode. AO just plain sucks. I really don’t look for them to announce anything on the event. I hate to second guess people and things I know little about, but if I worked for Adam, I know damn well I could put a website together that kept fans informed better than that piece of crap does. Fantasy Springs tweeted they have a signed contract, which I’m sure is true. Is there any reason AO can’t post it? Am I missing something here? Other than incompetence?

*Rant is done*

Lots of beautiful professional photos of Archie and Cook from their Manila concert…

http://xylene168.multiply.com/photos/album/99/David_Cook_and_David_Archuleta_live_in_Manila

these are some seriously awesome photos of both david’s ozarka… where have they been all this time, lolol…

luval
02/07/2010 at 5:32 pm
…can you think of a thread or video I can check out to see Adam’s “Oprah” comforter scarf?

here you go luval…hope the link works. Adam in Toronto!

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx348/Quu3/Other%20Linked%20Images/szebdd-1.jpg

Kelly twittering live on stage in Manchester

kelly_clarkson http://twitpic.com/11ykei live

Mainegal my friend….it worked! Love this scarf or shawl or comforter or blankie! Bet it’s nice and warm and it fits two people (or one regular person and an elf..). thank you!

LOL luval…..your welcome!

I can hear Oprah right now upon seeing the Canada pics….”Dude…that’s a sofa afghan, not a neck scarf!”

That’s okay….he’s adorable in the afghan anyway.

No prob Girlygirl. Nassau is very small 7miles by 21 miles so you can literally stay anywhere there that you can get a good deal. The thing is sometimes the traffic can be bad, so you have to allow some time for that.
Funny that I would love to come your way to see Adam, and you’d like to be down here for Kris. Maybe I will go see Kris. It’s not far from here. I’ll ask my girlfriend who’s a huge Kris fan if she wants to go. I did promise her to go to see Kris with her. And her b/day is in April. Hmmm. Oh well, gotta go to a Superbowl party now. It’s quite chilly here in Miami. Clear, but probably early 50′s tonight. Already 60F right now. Go Saints!!! Actually I don’t really care who wins, but always try to cheer for the underdog.

Looks like some chance Danny’s single may break into the country top 40 tomorrow. He’s currently listed at #38 after gaining a nice increase in airplay last week and a couple of higher songs moving off the chart.

tls62 – Regarding lack of official promotion for Adam’s FS concert on the AO site as yet, I think there has to be a legitimate reason like marketing research, non-competition with Kradison contests at radio stations, the type of contract it is, or something like that. I can’t imagine it being incompetence. I don’t think the official word about Gridlock came out until 2 weeks before the event. We’re still almost 3 weeks away here. Twitter and Facebook have done a good job of spreading the word so far. I think we’ll be hearing officially soon. At least TPTB see how strong a fanbase Adam has who are willing to travel from all over the world to see him perform live. I am so happy for him, and for us fans too.

AO is an RCA sponsored site and run by a Mod who is employed by RCA. RCA is probably not involved with this concert because it is a one-off and not part of a sponsored tour. The concert is basically a “privately sponsored gig” the sponsor being the casino and it is probably going through 19 and not RCA.

RCA probably won’t “officially” announce this, and there doesn’t seem to be much need to go beyond the advertising done by Fantasy Springs. Ticket sales are brisk and the Casino is beside themselves with joy for offering this gig to Adam.

LLWD is now at #15 on iTunes, which ties its highest-ever rank. Hopefully it can set a new high…

LLWD is now #15 on itunes, which is as high as it has ever been.

Underwhelming Super Bowl so far…both the game and the commercials

Thanks for the explanation, Tess. That makes sense.

Mainegal
02/07/2010 at 5:51 pm
luval
02/07/2010 at 5:32 pm
…can you think of a thread or video I can check out to see Adam’s “Oprah” comforter scarf?

here you go luval…hope the link works. Adam in Toronto!

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx348/Quu3/Other%20Linked%20Images/szebdd-1.jpg

I must have missed something somewhere. Did Oprah give Adam this scarf?

Underwhelming Super Bowl so far…both the game and the commercials

I thought this commercial was pretty funny.

dcglam
02/07/2010 at 7:40 pm
Mainegal
02/07/2010 at 5:51 pm
luval
02/07/2010 at 5:32 pm
…can you think of a thread or video I can check out to see Adam’s “Oprah” comforter scarf?

here you go luval…hope the link works. Adam in Toronto!

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx348/Quu3/Other%20Linked%20Images/szebdd-1.jpg

I must have missed something somewhere. Did Oprah give Adam this scarf?
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He talked about it in an interview….don’t even ask me which one! It was one of the Canadian ones. I’ve watched so many they all run together after a while. If I recall correctly, the interviewer asked about the weather and he commented that he was wearing a scarf that Oprah had given him and he said how sweet it was of her.

Best commercial (?) so far flotv.com (whatever that is). Montage of film from 60′s to present with the Who’s My Generation in the background.

I liked the Letterman commercial

The Malaysians seem to be giving Kris a big welcome/buildup

# @KrisAllen Our local station is totally playing all your songs all day long because it’s Kris Allen Day. Malaysia loves you! #kriskl about 1 hour ago from UberTwitter

# @jjhitz @eanhitz Whoever thought of the idea of playing all Kris all day is a genius #kriskl about 1 hour ago from UberTwitter

very cool!

I liked the Betty White commercial for Snickers — that’s about it

Is it because of Janet Jackson that we have to see legend male band in EVERY SB half time show?

girlygirl
02/07/2010 at 8:10 pm

I liked the Betty White commercial for Snickers — that’s about it

So far I agree with you!

An interesting article in the L.A. Times on redefining success (and the path to it) in the modern music industry.

Jeff Pollack, a longtime music consultant who also works with MTV and VH1, said television is the fastest way to music success these days, but that’s a forum more interested in pop singers than guitar heroes.

“Against the backdrop of an ‘Idol’-dominated landscape, a young rock band has a much harder time getting exposure today than a pop or even country artist,” Pollack said. “There is virtually no rock played on Top 40 radio . . . and there are even fewer contemporary rock stations than just a few years ago. New rock bands need to rely on continual touring, social media and music sites to expose their music.”

Three thoughts:

1) I have no idea from that quote if ‘Idol’ = AI (I think it does), but whatever, that’s an interesting quote. Idol dominates Pop music? I don’t think so, but I could be wrong.

2) You go, music industry. Keep shooting yourself in the foot by shutting out rock music from radio. No wonder you’re dying.

3) What a difficult row to hoe my rockers (DC & Allison) have picked, even though they’ve got a huuuuge leg up in support compared to bands not connected to AI. Still, carving out a rock career coming off Idol has got to be like living an oxymoron every day. No wonder they’ve both gone way more pop than they’re probably inclined to on their first records. It will be interesting to see if they can rock it up as they get further away from the show. Or will they have to go even more pop just to survive?

In happier news, ozarka, thanks for the link to those Manila photos. Those are fantastic!

I liked the Betty White commercial for Snickers — that’s about it

Me too, but I’m biased since I like Betty White in anything.

I like the Who but I thought Roger Daltry was going to shred his throat.

Missed the Betty White commercial.

If I recall correctly, the interviewer asked about the weather and he commented that he was wearing a scarf that Oprah had given him and he said how sweet it was of her.

Thank you

I liked the screaming chickens! Free breakfast sounds pretty good too.

that Denny’s commercial would have been funnier with real chickens — but not bad!

that Denny’s commercial would have been funnier with real chickens

True! But that might upset chicken lovers, you never know! lol

Idol dominates Pop music? I don’t think so, but I could be wrong.

I think that’s a popular perception, but I agree its not entirely accurate. As far as pop is concerned the only Idol “dominating” right now is Kelly, though Jordin and Daughtry both had one top 10 radio play hit in the past year. Still, there are a lot of Idol alum spread all over the radio dial, so it is easy to see where the “idols dominate the industry” meme comes from.

What a difficult row to hoe my rockers (DC & Allison) have picked, even though they’ve got a huuuuge leg up in support compared to bands not connected to AI.

Yeah, again, you can see where the resentment comes from IMO. All the other people doing this kind of music are struggling save very few. The only other new-ish rock act to break platinum last year besides Cook was KOL, right? Even the ones with big hits (Ting Tings, All American Rejects, etc) didn’t do it, even the ones with rock cred struggled. All this WITHOUT the rock world’s stamp of approval. Ditto Daughtry, who blew the f up bypassing all the usual rock world benchmarks. It’s a difficult situation to navigate, for sure.

girlgirl have you listen to that station that’s have Kris all day (his music)that is. The Dj screwed up and it’s being playing LLWD for at least 1 or probably more like 2 hrs. It’s so nuts but so funny.

RMGED the snarky MOD at AO has been at it again re ‘unconfirmed’ concert in response to comments he has received!

“You guys have no idea how hard it is to manage an official website. We’re not here to deal in gossip, unconfirmed sightings, or being your guide to stalking Adam’s every trip to the bathroom. We have to wait on dozens of people for approvals before posting every clip and news item you see here, and often have to chase a few people on Adam’s staff who don’t really understand the power of the web, and that you guys will find out about everything if we don’t get you the info first. All I can promise you is that we’re trying our best to make AO better at all times.

Having RMGED correlated to ARMAGEDDON made my year, but then I’m one of those music geeks who gets excited any time he sees 666 crop up in a soundscan report or receipt.

I run Adam’s digital marketing campaign and I only MOD when time allows, so the only people ‘higher up’ that could take an interest and do more for this site are Adam himself and his mgmt company. I talk to them every week, but I’m vying for their attention along with my RCA colleagues in offline MKT, press, radio, etc. The boy is busy.

RMGED SR. was on the Grassy Knoll – I’m not THAT old.

I didn’t vote for ANY of the Idol contestants – never have – not least because it might have been a conflict of interest, but I was pulling for Adam anyway, since I liked him best, and I knew was coming to RCA – not JIVE – about 1 month before the results. This isn’t about being a fan for me – I have to come up with and deliver digital marketing opportunities for the artist I’m given, so I’d much rather have a unique, charismatic talent like Adam’s to work with than a cookie cutter artist.

I don’t condone waterboarding, except for right wingers and religious nazis.

I work about 20 RCA artists, from Aguilera to Foo Fighters, and I’m being 100% honest when I say that Adam is my favorite, and produces more content for his site than any of the rest.

Taylor Swift really can’t sing, and I love how suddenly it’s the Idols who are getting respect for having to sing without auto-tune and other studio trickery.

My only major alter ego beyond RCA is writing about music for a major music site, mostly extreme metal and non-commercial, obscure shit, but I did love The Darkness back in the day, and I really like Adam’s record!

I am a good witch…warlock…whatever

What I put YOU GUYS THROUGH? Just cos I’m getting paid, it don’t mean it’s enough for what you guys put ME through.

I quit!

NOT!

And hey now, think back to September when this joint was a troll fest. Hasn’t it gotten better since we took a more visible role on the site?

Thanks for some good fun on Sunday morning, guys. I may have to block myself now. “

Missed the Betty White commercial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOq72KiTU_w

Cook is Rock? I don’t think so!!!

will….thanks for the link to Betty White commercial….funny.

btw..mj says discussion on the superbowl, commercials, etc is ok on the Carrie Underwood thread.

The only other new-ish rock act to break platinum last year besides Cook was KOL, right?

I think so, yes. Though new-ish is a good description, because it seems to me they’ve been around a good long while, but I guess they’ve only broken through big time this year. They still did (and had to do) a lot of work to get to that point.

Ditto Daughtry, who blew the f up bypassing all the usual rock world benchmarks.

He certainly seems to have done, yes. Daughtry is a real mystery to me. Going back 3-4 years, when I knew nothing about AI and was equally ignorant of popular, radio-friendly music and bands, I’d only vaguely heard of him. Then when DCook pushed me head first into this whole Idol thing and I started learning more about it, Daughtry kept coming up as “The” Idol rocker up to that point. But when I first heard him… boy. He sounded really *really* pop to me*. (Although maybe not pop as it’s defined these days? idk) You can’t argue with his sales, but if that sound is why he’s successful, that’s great for him but continues to be bad news for rock.

*I don’t want to start an Idol rocker rock cred fight by any means! (Because jeez, if all anyone knew of Cook was TOML and CBTM, I wouldn’t blame them for raising an eyebrow at him being considered rock either.) If anyone can point me to Daughtry music that has a more rock sound than the few popular songs I’ve heard, I’d be glad to check them out.

Funny. I love that mod at AO.

2) You go, music industry. Keep shooting yourself in the foot by shutting out rock music from radio. No wonder you’re dying.

I kinda agree with that. American charts haven’t been looking very interesting for quite a while now, probably because rock is not well-represented. It’s also interesting American bands like The Killers and Kings of Leon got their break in the UK, you can almost say that American rock music is healthier in UK than the US (not really true of course, the UK just picked some of the best of US), there are plenty of very promising American rock bands that are simply not getting the exposure they deserve in the US.

Seems strange to blame Idol for dominating the music scene (I don’t think it’s true in any case), because it’s the radio stations that aren’t playing the more interesting stuff. They keep to the same or the safe stuff. From an outsider’s casual (and rather uninformed) observation, the radio stations look also to be rather too niche or polarised, listeners just don’t get a chance to get a wider perspective on what’s currently available in the music scene.

*I don’t want to start an Idol rocker rock cred fight by any means! If anyone can point me to Daughtry music that has a more rock sound than the few popular songs I’ve heard, I’d be glad to check them out. : )

^^^ I wish people would study on how Rock music came to be. Rock music came straight out of Blues. Rock music was all about the anti establishment. The next genre that fell in line to this was Hip-Hop music.
None of these guys are consider true Rockers that is why they get hardly no play on Rock stations and get snubbed. Today so call Rockers ( Nickelback, Daughtry, Cook are all corporate manufactured!!

If anyone can point me to Daughtry music that has a more rock sound than the few popular songs I’ve heard, I’d be glad to check them out.

MollyAnnMay, I can! Try his current album. More than half the tracks, to me, seem far more rock/alt rock than the debut album. I really liked the first album and loved the singles (I happen to be a rock fan who also likes pop when I feel it’s good – great music is great music and it exists in every genre IMO). I was late in purchasing the new Daughtry album but many fellow fans with whom I share similar tastes in music insisted I give it a try. I sampled via itunes and then just bought it. It quickly became one of my favorite ablums of the past
year. I think it’s a rock album – quite a bit more so than the first one. I also think the lead-off single “No Surprise” is not really indicative of the album and it’s my least favorite track.

Hazehel: From an outsider’s casual (and rather uninformed) observation, the radio stations look also to be rather too niche or polarised, listeners just don’t get a chance to get a wider perspective on what’s currently available in the music scene.

Yeah that line in the article about how the radio audience is still vast but the number of artists is shockingly low really hit that point home.

sweetni4:I wish people would study on how Rock music came to be.

Thanks, but I’m pretty old, so I don’t need to study. I watched and heard a lot of it happen in real time. I’m perfectly aware that the rockers coming off Idol are corporate packages, but I’ve heard a lot more from Cook than the tiny percentage that makes up his major label album. So yes, I do consider his music — his own, individual music going back 10 years or so, plus his recent, live music — to be legitimately rock.

As for Nickelback, believe it or not, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard their music. I don’t listen to the radio, and none of the people who rec music to me have ever recommended them. *shrug*

Scott: I happen to be a rock fan who also likes pop when I feel it’s good – great music is great music and it exits in every genre IMO

I agree! I’m not a rock snob — even if sometimes I sound that way. *g* I love all genres of music too and I absolutely agree you can find good music in pretty much any of them.

Thanks for the rec — I will definitely check out Daughtry’s new album. : )

I wish people would study on how Rock music came to be.

Yeah, I think a lot of folks know all about that. LOL. Still, people use the term “rock” to mean a lot of things these days, both from inside the music biz and out. It really just depends on which definition of the word you are going with. It doesn’t mean people are not familiar with your version of the word.

From an outsider’s casual (and rather uninformed) observation, the radio stations look also to be rather too niche or polarised, listeners just don’t get a chance to get a wider perspective on what’s currently available in the music scene.

IA. It’s way too fragmented these days. Everything is focused grouped to death, and nationalized up the wazoo. So regions don’t even get to define their own prefrences anymore outside some very narrow boundaries.

*shrug* I am pretty old myself and do not consider Cook Rock sorry!

Woo-hoo, Saints win! How crazy is that party gonna be in New Orleans tonight???

I wish people would study on how Rock music came to be. Rock music came straight out of Blues.

Oh, that’s not true. Blues is just part of the it, and most of the rest of your statements aren’t true either.

Aw, Drew Brees’s son is adorable

*shrug* I am pretty old myself and do not consider Cook Rock sorry!

Okey doke. No worries. Not worth arguing over, to me anyway.

Yeah, I think a lot of folks know all about that. LOL. Still, people use the term “rock” to mean a lot of things these days, both from inside the music biz and out. It really just depends on which definition of the word you are going with. It doesn’t mean people are not familiar with your version of the word.

^^^Well if there is a fine line on what is considered Rock today who is say is who is Rock and who is not. Than it would be subjective. I see some say Daughtry is pop/rock and David is Rock when I consider them all pretty much the same, but that is my opinion.

I see some say Daughtry is pop/rock and David is Rock

You mean tonight or in general? Because I’ve don’t remember seeing that here just now. Anyway, usually they are both called pop/rock or rock, I’ve never seen them separated in that way. Oh well.

I think in the context of the article we were discussing, we were talking about “rock” as in “the type of rock that gets played on pop radio”. Usually anything that gets played on pop gets labeled as “not real rock” anyway, so the whole “no cred” thing is implied. LMAO.

I wish people would study on how Rock music came to be. Rock music came straight out of Blues.

Oh, that’s not true. Blues is just part of the it, and most of the rest of your statements aren’t true either.

Totally disagree with this. Rock music came straight out of Blues crediting artists like Willie Dixon and even artist before him. Sorry to say but most popular music came right from black musicians, Rock music was very difficult to catch on here in America, It was the British artists like Rolling Stone, Beatles,Led Zep and countless of them before and after that adopted the Us homegrown genre made it popular in England and brought back to US and made it popular. These true Rockers will all tell you and that their influence came straight from Blues artists and credit them for it.

tinawina: Okey doke. No worries. Not worth arguing over, to me anyway.

Yup, I’ll second that. And as you said sweetni4, these classifications are pretty subjective (for fans anyway). To each their own.

The only time I think these sorts of classifications matter is in the context of articles like the one I linked to. In the music business these days, the industry perception of an artist’s music style isn’t just individually subjective, it has the power to make or break careers. Which is really nerve wracking for the musicians. And their fans. That whole industry niche classification, polarizing thing we’ve been discussing is just… arrgh.

Cook isn’t rock if you think about CBTM and TOML. But if you listen to Axium, Analog Heart, Bar-Ba-Sol, and Kiss on the Neck he is. It just sucks that’s he’s known for the magic rainbows and not grunge. So since I’ve heard *all* of Cook’s stuff I consider him rock.

I’ve listened to all of Daughtry’s new album. I might buy it but I am still debating whether or not I’ll enjoy it a few months after I buy it.

The only time I think these sorts of classifications matter is in the context of articles like the one I linked to. In the music business these days, the industry perception of an artist’s music style isn’t just individually subjective, it has the power to make or break careers. Which is really nerve wracking for the musicians. And their fans. That whole industry niche classification, polarizing thing we’ve been discussing is just… arrgh.

^^^ Agree and that is why I have a problem who is referred here as Rock and who isn’t. For me to you I find Daughtry, Cook, and Adam all thread the line in Rock, some having more of a Rock sound than others in their current Albums. Because Rock music isn’t played on Top 40 Radio like back in the day when DJs made shots at what gets played they have to add an element of Pop to get those radio hits.

sweetni4, so true what you just posted. This is very relevant as a discussion in the world of AI because how the artist & TPTB decided to go really can make or break a career. Choosing the genre, formats, branding, etc… big decisions out of the gate. Just one thing, I don’t consider Adam Lambert rock in any way, shape or form. To me he’s pure pop and that’s not a put down. It’s just what he is. I love me some good pop (Madonna, Lady Gaga, tons of 80s music).

If anyone can point me to Daughtry music that has a more rock sound than the few popular songs I’ve heard, I’d be glad to check them out.

Try this one and see what you think – You Don’t Belong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYHtt45Ob3U

I personally like this song the best from his current album, they should have released this one as the second single.

As for Nickelback, believe it or not, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard their music.

This is probably their best song –
Savin’ Me – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JQiEs32SqQ

It’s way too fragmented these days. Everything is focused grouped to death, and nationalized up the wazoo. So regions don’t even get to define their own prefrences anymore outside some very narrow boundaries.

Since I don’t live in the US, very rarely listen to American radio, American radio is really a bit of a puzzle to me. I’m still really surprised by how David Cook’s Bar-Bar-Sol gets practically ignored by rock radio stations (what bands do they play just out of curiosity?), or how some big radio stations won’t play Adam Lambert’s For Your Entertainment. One says something about the snobbishness of rock radio stations (wonder why they are dying, huh?), the other says something about how some types of music get excluded and side-lined. It just doesn’t look healthy to me.

Totally disagree with this.

I’m too tired to argue now, but rock is a very broad church. A lot of people seem to misunderstand and use a very narrow definition of rock. Blues has a very strong influence, but it’s just one aspect of it. Rock is a mixture of styles, that’s why rock is called rock, and not blues.

sweetni4, so true what you just posted. This is very relevant as a discussion in the world of AI because how the artist & TPTB decided to go really can make or break a career. Choosing the genre, formats, branding, etc… big decisions out of the gate. Just one thing, I don’t consider Adam Lambert rock in any way, shape or form. To me he’s pure pop and that’s not a put down. It’s just what he is. I love me some good pop (Madonna, Lady Gaga, tons of 80s music).

^^^Scott, Adam is going for pop music because that is were radio play comes in. His pre idol music with Citizen Vein is Rock music to me. That is how he started. Rock music is what influenced him. later in his years he turned to Pop. If any of these guys played straight Rock music they will not get radio play let alone radio hits. It is all business. Music Again,
Sure Fire Winner, and aftermath plays around a little with Rock. Time for Miracles is pure classic Power Rock ballad.

Rock and roll (also spelled Rock ‘n’ Roll, especially in its first decade), also called rock, is a form of popular music, usually featuring vocals (often with vocal harmony), electric guitars and a strong back beat; other instruments, such as the saxophone, are common in some styles. As a cultural phenomenon, rock’s social impact on the world is likely unparalleled by any other kind of music. It has been credited with ending wars and spreading peace and tolerance, as well as corrupting the innocent and spreading moral rot. Rock has become popular across the globe, far from its birthplace in the United States, and evolved into a multitude of highly-varying styles.
The term rock and roll is broad, and its boundaries loosely-defined. It is sometimes used to describe a number of genres only distantly related, including soul, heavy metal and even hip hop.

sweetni4:Because Rock music isn’t played on Top 40 Radio like back in the day when DJs made shots at what gets played they have to add an element of Pop to get those radio hits.

Yeah it sucks. That’s not the reason I stopped listening to the radio 10 or so years ago (the incessant yammering and commercials did that) but because of that I missed a lot of trends in pop, so current pop music just sounds really, really strange to me. And when an artist with rock sensibilities has to shoehorn that kind of sound into their music to get played, the result can sometimes be… painful. Your phrase that these guys have to “thread the line” is a good one, and isn’t that antithetical to the spirit of rock — or good music in general, really.

I’ve seen some people saying that the KoL breakthrough and the good sales for Vampire Weekend may be a signal that rock is making a bit of a comeback. Maybe? Once again, to get back to personal categories, VW don’t sound particularly rock to me, but I love their music.

And FYI, if anyone is interested, Amazon is having one of those $5 mp3 album sales, and VW’s “Contra” is included. And if you like VW, check out “All Hour Cymbals” by Yeasayer. If VW is rock (alt rock, I guess), so are Yeasayer, and their song 2080 is fantastic. (Maybe I’m preaching to the choir? Are they popular? idk)

Of course, if it has to be classic rock, you can pick up Led Zep IV for 5 bucks too. *g*

Part 3 of Yong Chavez interview with Kris. Here he talks about what he wants to do when he goes to Haiti (among other things)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAE3DHCPRNI&feature=player_embedded#

The term rock and roll is broad, and its boundaries loosely-defined. It is sometimes used to describe a number of genres only distantly related, including soul, heavy metal and even hip hop.

And that is why you have Black Artists inducted in the Rock&Roll hall of fame. Rock & Roll was called “Jungle” music for a reason. You couldn’t get the white kids out of the underground black clubs back then until the white British artists made it cool and mainstream

Adam lambert is rock, I don’t think so.

Why is the “Is Adam rock?” discussion still going on? I never get this. There’s this weird mentality with rock, like it’s some kind of cool kid’s club which bars entry to those who aren’t “legitimate” enough. Seriously, what? It’s just another genre. Admitting that Adam has rock influences, and is in some ways rock, doesn’t mean you’re admitting he has good music. You can still think it’s vapid crap.

I’m still really surprise by how David Cook’s Bar-Bar-Sol get practically ignored in rock radio stations (what bands do they play just out of curiosity?)

Rock in the US has multiple radio formats, all of them tiny. In this case they sent the song to Active/Mainstream Rock, which are the stations that play “harder” rock – people from the loud guitar driven tradition. Coincidentally, those are the stations that play Nickleback. Heh. Personally, I think it had more of a shot at Alternative, which is where you find your more “descendant from college radio” type stuff, also a lot of the rock acts that get hits on HAC get played here (Coldplay, Carolina Liar, etc). But it may be that Barbasol was just not a good fit on either format at the time. Who knows.

One says something about the snobbishness of rock radio stations

Rock now is like any other genre that breaks big commercially to me. You start out building fans of a sound from the ground up, it hits a creative pinnacle, everyone is happy, then it hits the masses. People start complaining about the sound getting watered down, and a lot of times they have a point IMO. Then you get a small group that circles the wagons and draws strict lines over what’s “real” and “not real”, which is a noble cause but it has its issues… not the least of which is that ends up excluding most of what’s popular, and devaluing the people who actually appeal to large amounts of fans, even when they DO have talent or show some creativity. And I’m basing this on hiphop. LOL! But it fits rock too. At least to me.

123abc456
02/07/2010 at 11:04 pm

Adam lambert is rock, I don’t think so.

I don’t consider any of them Rock with the music they have currently playing on radio. As for their non Idol work it is a different story and again subjective. Bottom line they not going to get played on Rock station ever or be recognized by them. The stigma of them coming of a Idol sealed the deal. If they ever go straight up Rock, fans will have to be satisfied in only hearing their music when they tour because it won’t happen on radio.

Thanks for the recs, Hazehel.

I like the Daughtry song’s intro, the forward momentum of it and bridge — I like the bridge a lot, in fact. I’m a big bridge fan — if a song has a good one, I’m usually sold. Now I do want to hear the rest of the album.

The Nickelback song… is too mid tempo for me. I’d like to hear it done about double that tempo. *g*

I’m still really surprised by how David Cook’s Bar-Bar-Sol gets practically ignored by rock radio stations (what bands do they play just out of curiosity?)

Really old stuff, I think? That’s what I’ve heard. Or no, I know it (at least anecdotally) for a fact, because there’s a rock radio station in the town I went to college in that, no lie, is playing *the exact same music it played when I went to college there*. And I was in college a long, log time ago.

Come to think of it, college radio stations (sponsored by the school, as opposed to commercial rock stations is college towns, like the one I just described above) probably play the best mix of music in the US these days — that is, if you can find one. My town doesn’t have such a station, and I’m really jealous of those that do.

Not surprisingly, college stations are (I think, still) essentially independent, play whatever they damn well please, and thus are a good radio source for new (and good) music that isn’t spot marketed and focus grouped to death.

ETA: Or you could just read what tinawina, who is obviously much better informed, just posted, lol. I guess the station I mentioned that’s still playing old stuff is considered a classic rock station for a reason!

I guess I don’t get why there is such a delay in verifying Adam’s concert at the Casino on AO, or why the mod there sounds so defensive and unprofessional. Maybe as Tess has said it’s due to 19 not communicating with RCA.

All that I do know is that Cook’s concert for that night is posted on DCO (which is an RCA site) and it’s been there for quite some time. So does 19 communicate with Cook’s official site in a more efficient manner than they do with Adam’s? Interesting, to say the least.

sweetni4
02/07/2010 at 10:58 pm
The term rock and roll is broad, and its boundaries loosely-defined. It is sometimes used to describe a number of genres only distantly related, including soul, heavy metal and even hip hop.

“And that is why you have Black Artists inducted in the Rock&Roll hall of fame. Rock & Roll was called “Jungle” music for a reason. You couldn’t get the white kids out of the underground black clubs back then until the white British artists made it cool and mainstream”

That’s true and also R&B singers are inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, because R&B is considered a sub-genre of Rock. It’s the same way Pop is a sub-genre of Rock, and that’s why pop artist are inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame.

David Cook and his band in concert pure rock and roll if you ask me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdz2ejxhpUk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLZhfx_qUZ4

Then you get a small group that circles the wagons and draws strict lies over what’s “real” and “not real”, which is a noble cause but it has its issues… not the least of which is that ends up excluding most of what’s popular, and devaluing the people who actually appeal to large amounts of fans, even when they DO have talent or show some creativity. And I’m basing this on hiphop. LOL! But it fits rock too. At least to me.

Yeah, I’ve noticed this. Rock and rap are really weird about the whole legitimacy thing. That’s why I prefer pop culture over rock and hip hop culture myself… there’s less of that ridiculous indie snobbery and having to prove yourself to a select group of people in order to count as “real.” Although pop culture can be pretty terrible too. But it’s my cup of terrible.

ETA: Or you could just read what tinawina, who is obviously much better informed, just posted, lol. I guess the station I mentioned that’s still playing old stuff is considered a classic rock station for a reason!

I’m not really better informed, I just stanned Cookie last year. LMAO!

All the rock stations play tons of oldes. That’s one of the major complaints about the format!

College radio is a dying breed. They’ve become very expensive to run and lots of college are cutting back or eliminating the radio stations all together. Sads.

That’s true and also R&B singers are inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, because R&B is considered a sub-genre of Rock. It’s the same way Pop is a sub-genre of Rock, and that’s why pop artist are inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame.

^^^yep, and lets not get started with Country music which traces all the way back to slavery in Ole Mississippi with “Old Man River”. Lol

Yeah, I’ve noticed this. Rock and rap are really weird about the whole legitimacy thing. That’s why I prefer pop culture over rock and hip hop culture myself… there’s less of that ridiculous indie snobbery and having to prove yourself to a select group of people in order to count as “real.”

Hip hop has two levels of that crap going on. You got your underground types that hate everyone not “lyrical” and “creative”… meaning all the beats sound the same and all the rhymes have to be obtuse as possible. LOL. That’s who I was describing. Then you have your gangsta wannabees on the mainstream level who have decided that the only real hip hop is that which emulates hood culture. God forbid you just pick a beat you like and rhyme about going to the grocery store without super complicated words… then nobody likes you. And don’t be a female. The rules on what you can and cannot do get super strict no matter which team you play for. Don’t even get me started. Ugh.

Sherena: Yeah, I’ve noticed this. Rock and rap are really weird about the whole legitimacy thing. That’s why I prefer pop culture over rock and hip hop culture myself… there’s less of that ridiculous indie snobbery and having to prove yourself to a select group of people in order to count as “real.”

But, but, that’s what started this conversation! The quote in the article I linked to flat out stated that today’s pop culture has cut rock out of the picture entirely — or almost entirely, as I guess some does sneak in around the edges, as long as it tarts itself up with a big hook or autotuning whatever it is commercial pop wants these days.

That being said, I’m perfectly willing to entertain the notion that rock marginalized itself by being too snobbish or narrow in its definitions, but I also think today’s mainstream pop can be a *really* rigid genre. I’m also willing to bet that comes from the marketing arm of the industry though, not from the musicians.

And sure, rock acts (and their fans) can be a bit humorless about music being “real” etc (I’ll plead guilty to that). I get the reason for that and so I am a big believer in musician-generated, versus market-generated music (and yes, not all pop music is market-generated, I do know that. But a fair amount is.)

But honestly, I also get what the article was saying: that the way the industry works these days, to make it you have to 1) be smart, as Scott pointed out earlier and 2) probably compromise. If that means adding pop elements, well, that’s what it means.

Maybe you can forgive us if that makes rock-oriented people grouchy? : ) And hopeful that at some point rock musicians can be successful making the music they love, versus making the music they have to in order to be successful.

Jason Castro just tweeted that he is going to Malaysia and the Philippines! Woot! Woot!

I love American Idol!

Maybe you can forgive us if that makes rock-oriented people grouchy?

Semi-grouchy Rock oriented person comes in, nods in agreement, and leaves.

Part 3 of Yong Chavez interview with Kris. Here he talks about what he wants to do when he goes to Haiti (among other things)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAE3DHCPRNI&feature=player_embedded#

Oh, wow, the answer about performing any material from Brand New Shoes: “No, I have left that stuff in the past and I think it served its purpose at the time, but I don’t plan on reliving any of that.”

LOL incipit own that grouchiness!

Maybe we can make grouchiness a new form of rock cred.

Um, or maybe it already is. Heh.

I don’t think the situation with rock not being played much on pop has anything to do with rock snobs killing the genre. I think its just not in style right now. Grouchy rock fans should not blame themselves for the situation.

Jason Castro just tweeted that he is going to Malaysia and the Philippines! Woot! Woot!

That’s awesome news, Puplesmile!

jasoncastro: im coming to malaysia soon… also the phillipines!
i cant wait!!!
20 minutes ago from web

^^

coming to malaysia/phillipines mid march, i’ll give ya more details when i get them!
4 minutes ago from web

I think its just not in style right now.

I hope you are right. There’s an awful lot of good rock out there right now — the alternative stuff, anyway. I wish it was in style, because peeps who only get top 40 radio are missing out, IMO.

Grouchy rock fans should not blame themselves for the situation.

Okay, I will be firm and not blame the victim. ; )

ozarka, you bet it is to me. I have not gotten over Kris Allen yet and then there is my Jason Castro. Crack overload, for sure!

The Pacific Islanders sure do love them their Idols.

Michael Slezak’s interview with David Cook has lots of information about his song writing process and also the names of possible songs for his next record. And David looks great too, lol.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/08/david-cook-sophomore-album-scoop/

The Pacific Islanders sure do love them their Idols.

Yes, we do!

The Idols seem to love us, too, because they sure keep coming.

Ryan Tedder and Max Martin?
They seem to be the standard AI albums producers right now. I guess they have enough hits in their repertoire but I’m a bit reluctant to see them paired with Cook.

Kind of ironic that there’s this debate about what’s pop or rock and David announces that he’s working (will work?) with two of the biggest pop producers.

That’s true and also R&B singers are inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,

because R&B is considered a sub-genre of Rock.

It’s the same way Pop is a sub-genre of Rock, and that’s why pop artist are inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame.

i think this is backwards… and i’ve always felt the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame would be more aptly named the R&B Hall of Fame, but that’s a discussion for a different forum, lol… ”rock” evolved from R&B, and by extension is considered a sub genre of R&B… ”pop”, or popular music is the catch all term by which both R&B and rock could be considered sub genres of… R&B is considered the father of many styles/genres of music that evolved over the decades into what we call ”rock”, and credit also belongs to the dj alan freed and others for being the first to begin introducing and spinning R&B music on stations geared to white audiences in the 50′s, which resulted in the term ”rock and roll” being coined… whatever you want to call it, it’s all good music, and having a grasp on the origins of it helps me appreciate all forms and mutations and offshoots of ”popular” music, past and present…

“Kind of ironic that there’s this debate about what’s pop or rock and David announces that he’s working (will work?) with two of the biggest pop producers.”
~~

David only said “We’ve talked about Max Martin, we’ve talked about Ryan Tedder…” in response to a question about collaborators – so both names are in the ‘possible’ category.

Does illustrate this “grouch making” ‘necessary’ pop ingredient for success we were just discussing, with those names being talked about, though.

Ryan Tedder and Max Martin?

LOL. Oh Dave.

Okay, I guess that answers that. There were two directions the second record could have gone and I guess they want to get him that elusive smash (versus respectable LO type) pop hit. For all I know he wants that too. (I haven’t watched the interview yet.) And well, hell, so do I! I want him to be successful, but I also wanted another direction for the music. But as we’ve been discussing, that’s not so easy.

And who knows what a Cook collab with these guys will sound like — maybe it will turn out something good. That will not change my mind about Tedder though. And I’m too grouchy tired to expand on that tonight!

ETA: incipit: David only said “We’ve talked about Max Martin, we’ve talked about Ryan Tedder…” in response to a question about collaborators – so both names are in the ‘possible’ category.

Oh okay. I guess I should listen to the interview before letting my grouch flag fly.

MollyAnnMay, it’s a good interview, you’ll like it, I think.

Thanks incipit, I’m going to stop nattering and go listen. I love hearing him talk about music. And just about anything else too, *g*

ETA: Ooh, I *did* enjoy that. Some really interesting ideas there!

because R&B is considered a sub-genre of Rock.

It’s the same way Pop is a sub-genre of Rock, and that’s why pop artist are inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame.

i think this is backwards… and i’ve always felt the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame would be more aptly named the R&B Hall of Fame, but that’s a discussion for a different forum, lol… ”rock” evolved from R&B, and by extension is considered a sub genre of R&B…

^^^^ggdoorsfan,Yes, I wanted to point that error out but I didn’t want to continue dragging the discussion. Good knowledge!

sweetni4
02/08/2010 at 3:16 am

i love rock music, all music really, and to each their own in their personal music likes/dislikes, but i always get a chuckle reading comments or having conversations w/folks who are rock lovers that express disdain or a certain snobbery toward R&B or ”pop” music… it’s almost akin to expressing disdain for one’s parent, lol… little richard or hank ballard [can't remember which] expressed it best – ”rhythm and blues and country got together and had a baby, and they named it rock and roll”

ggdoorsfan, Me too. I love all music, Pop, Rock, Reggae, Latin, Soca, Classical,Country, Broadway, you name it. I have no snobbery when it comes Rock I just hate labeling and putting these guys in a box when clearly they have to compromise to be in the music business. As long as they stay in business I don’t care if they are Pop, Pop/Rock or whatever.

I think that David has been involved heavily in music long enough to know what rock is. So if he calls himself a rocker, then that’s what he is, IMO. He has more than earned the right as an artist to call himself whatever he wants to. It doesn’t mean that he has to limit himself entirely to that genre, it just means that it’s the style of music he affiliates most with. Rock has evolved and diverged enough over the decades that there is definitely a place for artists like Cook in that genre (regardless of whether one likes or dislikes his style). For the record, I don’t consider calling someone a pop-artist a putdown (I love pop just as much as rock), I just don’t think “David Cook” when I think “pop”….at least not the way most of us loosely define pop.

i think this is backwards… and i’ve always felt the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame would be more aptly named the R&B Hall of Fame, but that’s a discussion for a different forum, lol… ”rock” evolved from R&B

Nice post ggdoorsfan. I agree.

Can I step in with a slightly different point of view- in the pop/rock discussion? (disclaimer: I am way less knowledgable than some of you- but I’ll give it a go nevertheless).

Music evolves over time, and so do the artists. Many artists who started out as “rock”, reinvented themselves into other genres:

Look at David Bowie- from rock’n'roll (yes- glam rock- but still undoubtly rock) in the seventies, to pop in the 80′s, to electro-pop in the 90′s- and that’s what kept him relevant for such a long time- that he wasn’t stuck with the same sound he had in the 70′s…

Look at U2- from being a bona fide rock band in the 80′s and early 90′s, they became much more self-proclaimed pop (I remember an interview with Michael Stipe from REM in the mid 90′s where he said that he had an interesting conversation with Bono, in which Bono told him that “rock is dead”) band, and have been very successful doing that.

I think the music scene has changed a lot in the way that pop is the “it” genre now, unlikethe way it was more rock’n'roll in the 50′s (Presley), 60′s (Beatles, Stones) and 70′s (Zeppelin, Stones, Pink Floyd).

I think pop started getting big in the 80′s and just accelerated, with all the electro-technology… And ofcourse there are other genres that raised their head, like hip-hop…

Bottom line- I think that you can’t stand still and be nostalgic. You can’t re-do what’s already been done. In that sense, I agree with what Adam said in his recent Lyndsey Parker interview- that classic rock is just that- meaning “classic”- and therefore there’s no point in doing it all over again, because it would be redundant… And that’s why I also love his attempt to merge elements from all sorts of genres, to make a fresh new sound, that can actually fit in today’s music scene, but still stand out. And, excuse me for sounding like Kara for a sec, but I call that “artistry”.

I don’t really know David Cook’s music, and so can’t really comment on what he’s done “rock-wise” or “artistry-wise”, lol, but again, I don’t think it’s fair to judge him with high “rock” standards that just might not even be relevant anymore…

just saw a tv commercial for Dance Nation cd, which includes FYE…they showed a clip of the fYE video and said his name as one of the artists on the cd….kinda cool……wwfm loved up to #20 on top 40 today, altho it looks like it might go in and out of the top 20 over the course of this week as kesha and the bieber pass it and britney drops

I’m interested in what Max Martin would bring to the table.

He did a song in Carrie’s new album and it’s definitely a country song (it’s pretty damn catchy too!), so it’ll be interesting what Max Martin would do with David’s sound.

Max has also worked with Pink and his songs with her have a unique Pink sound so I think David will still sound like “David” even if he’s singing songs co-written by pop writers like Max Martin and Claude Kelly.

Ryan Tedder – NO. Just no. Haha

Parabola
02/08/2010 at 12:06 am
Part 3 of Yong Chavez interview with Kris. Here he talks about what he wants to do when he goes to Haiti (among other things)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAE3DHCPRNI&feature=player_embedded#

Oh, wow, the answer about performing any material from Brand New Shoes: “No, I have left that stuff in the past and I think it served its purpose at the time, but I don’t plan on reliving any of that.”

I really like the Yong Chavez 3 part interview with Kris. SHe really asked great questions and has a comfortable style.

I wish Kris would at least re-release some of the songs from his indie album so people like me could buy it. I guess I can understand his wanting to move forward in his musical progression. Maybe someday he’ll revisit.

Maybe MJ can post this last part of the interview so more will see and be able to watch it.

That’s true and also R&B singers are inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, because R&B is considered a sub-genre of Rock. It’s the same way Pop is a sub-genre of Rock, and that’s why pop artist are inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame.

No. Rock is rock, R&B is R&B, pop is pop. There may be overlap between these different genres so you get sub-genres like pop-rock, but they are different and each one is not a sub-genre of another. The reason R&B or pop singers may be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is because of their influence to rock. If you look their list of name you’d find people like Jelly Roll Morton (Blues and ragtime), Pete Seeger (Folk), Louis Armstrong (Jazz), Hank Williams (Country), none of them are Rock. There are there for their contribution and influence, not because they are Rock.

No. Rock is rock, R&B is R&B, pop is pop. There may be overlap between these different genres so you get sub-genres like pop-rock, but they are different and each one is not a sub-genre of another. The reason R&B or pop singers may be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is because of their influence to rock. If you look their list of name you’d find people like Jelly Roll Morton (Blues and ragtime), Pete Seeger (Folk), Louis Armstrong (Jazz), Hank Williams (Country), none of them are Rock. There are there for their contribution and influence, not because they are Rock.

^^^^Wrong! You can’t be serious? Rock & Roll originated from R&B!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_roll

The immediate roots of rock and roll lay in the so-called “race music” and hillbilly music (later called rhythm and blues and country and western) of the 1940s and 1950s.[15] Particularly significant influences were jazz, blues, boogie woogie, country, folk and gospel music.[15] Commentators differ in their views of which of these forms were most important and the degree to which the new music was a re-branding of African American rhythm and blues for a white market, or a new hybrid of black and white forms.[20][

^^^^If you look their list of name you’d find people like Jelly Roll Morton (Blues and ragtime), Pete Seeger (Folk), Louis Armstrong (Jazz), Hank Williams (Country), none of them are Rock. There are there for their contribution and influence, not because they are Rock.

No one is saying they are Rock were discussing the origin of Rock

Wrong! You can’t be serious? Rock & Roll originated from R&B!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_roll

Did you even read the article? I’m not sure how to argue when you can’t even understand sentences in the article like this –

Rock and roll (often written as rock & roll or rock ‘n’ roll) is a genre of popular music that originated and evolved in the United States during the late 1940s and early 1950s, primarily from a combination of the blues, country music and gospel music.

Rock is a hybrid. It doesn’t come from one particular genre of music. Blues is one big part of its influence, but it is not the only one. And Rock is the most diverse of all genres.

I won’t say anything further because I will start getting very rude (yes, there are rules about not being rude to other posters, and I expect this post to be deleted), because most of what you wrote have been nonsense or half-truth, and it’ll take me a long time to rebut everything you’ve said.

i love rock music, all music really, and to each their own in their personal music likes/dislikes, but i always get a chuckle reading comments or having conversations w/folks who are rock lovers that express disdain or a certain snobbery toward R&B or ”pop” music… it’s almost akin to expressing disdain for one’s parent, lol…

Yes but that was old-time r&b, it was not today’s r&b, which is a whole different animal. R&B has evolved into something very different than the r&b that rock came from. So I can say I like old r&b, but I don’t like today’s r&b, and to me most of it is distinctly different than rock. I don’t want rock to sound more like today’s r&b, as many here do. I like melody, guitar, bands, I don’t like lack of melody, vocal gymnastics, rhythym based songs, or incessant mechanical drumbeats that drown out everything else.

So I hope that adds some clarity and people will realize that rock did not evolve from a r&b that sounds like today’s r&b …

primarily from a combination of the blues, country music and gospel music.

Exactly, and rock did not evolve from rap, hiphop, or synthesize voice automated music like today’s r&b which has little resemblance to the old blues, country, and gospel that rock originated from.

And all I know is what I hear and what I like. I like rock, I hate today’s r&b sound, and they are not alike and rock should not become more like today’s r&b sound. Also, r&b has become synomymous with pop but it isn’t, pop means popular and includes rock and country as well as r&b. The only thing that bothers me is when people who like today’s r&b insist they want rock to blend with r&b and sound more like that. I want rock to stay rock, sure it changes and evolves and I love alternative and modern rock, but I don’t want it to blend with r&b, and when it does, I don’t like it. That’s why I don’t like Kris’s single, sounds too r&b. Wheras those who like r&b will like it just fine.

I won’t say anything further because I will start getting very rude (yes, there are rules about not being rude to other posters, and I expect this post to be deleted), because most of what you wrote have been nonsense or half-truth, and it’ll take me a long time to rebut everything you’ve said.

^^^ETA: I have been around music and musicians all my life so I am not skeerd

^^^The fact that you say so doesn’t make it so!!! I am well aware of my music history!!!

Yes but that was old-time r&b, it was not today’s r&b, which is a whole different animal. R&B has evolved into something very different than the r&b that rock came from. So I can say I like old r&b, but I don’t like today’s r&b, and to me most of it is distinctly different than rock. I don’t want rock to sound more like today’s r&b, as many here do. I like melody, guitar, bands, I don’t like lack of melody, vocal gymnastics, rhythym based songs, or incessant mechanical drumbeats that drown out everything else.

^^^ No one was discussing todays R&B. If you go back a few pages we were discussing the origin of Rock. We are all well aware of the evolution of Rock music it still doesn’t discredit the original source.

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