Idol Headlines for 01/17/11

Lee DeWyze confirms the rumor that he will sing the National Anthem before the Chicago Bears football game this Sunday. He tweets, “National Anthem at home, yes. Go Bears. How is everything going? Looking forward to everything coming up. Just wanted to say hi :)”

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Kris Allen’s rep tweets, “Kris will be singing the National Anthem at the Pro Bowl on Jan 30 on FOX – Hawaii here we come!”

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@DweezySignal tweets, “RUMOR: According to 670 The Score in Chi, Lee DeWyze will be singing the National Anthem before the Bears game on Sunday.”

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Today’s Idol Appearances:

  • Steven Tyler appears on the Late Show with David Letterman, CBS 11:35/10:35c
  • Paula Abdul appear on The Talk, CBS

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Matt Giraud finishes his video shoot. He tweets, “On my way to the final shot of shooting night!! Sooooo tired.. MUST FIND ENERGY!! http://plixi.com/p/70577633

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More Headlines after the JUMP…

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The Battle for ‘Idol’

Exceprt of Richard Rushfield’s new book in Newsweek

American Idol begins its 10th season this week without its star judge, Simon Cowell, who rode a penchant for cutting comments to international TV stardom. Last year Cowell announced he was quitting the show, walking away from one of the most lucrative contracts in broadcast television to run his own talent competition, The X Factor, which premieres in the fall. He’d threatened to leave for years, and Idol insiders say this became inevitable as far back as 2004, when the show’s other Simon—Simon Fuller—sued Cowell in a British court.

Read more at Newsweek

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Lythgoe: Idol a different show

“It feels like a different programme because it’s so different with the personalities that now control the judging,” Nigel said, speaking at Bafta’s annual tea party in Hollywood.

“Obviously Randy Jackson remains the same, but he’s a different person. Ryan is back to being enthusiastic again, he’s gone through that dark period that they seemed to have last year, and we’re back to having fun, being creative and that feels really good,” he added.

Read more at the Press Association

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‘Idol’ at 10: Stakes Are as High as Ever

Ad prices
Last season, ­30-second spots for “American Idol” fetched between $360,000 and $490,000 in the upfront.

This season, 30-second spots for “American Idol” were commanding an average of prices between $400,546 and $467,617 per 30-second ad.

Read more at Ad Age

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‘Idol’ tries to regain its mojo

Michael Lynche seems pretty relaxed for a guy blamed by some for bringing the biggest show on television to its knees.

Listen to some critics and they’ll say the St. Petersburg native and his fellow American Idol contestants last year nearly sank the series, by being so boring and unexceptional they turned off fans and threatened Idol’s status as TV’s top performer. But, with the trademark mix of confidence and patience that led him to a fourth-place finish, Lynche suggested another explanation.

Amid angst over the departure of star Simon Cowell and strife among all the judges, the show forgot to concentrate on its most important component: the contestants striving for stardom.

Read more at NewsOK

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‘American Idol’ could get a boost from Music City

Bice, who released his third album last year and is at work on country co-writes, predicts the show will reveal that the judges didn’t see the usual crop of auditioners here.

“They’re not going to get as many of the colorful folks that you might get, like the William Hungs,” he says. “You do have a lot more serious and vetted people here in Nashville.”

Read more at The Tennessean

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Carrie Underwood Enjoys a Night Off from Housecleaning at Golden Globes

“It is hard being a hockey wife,” the country star, 27, told PEOPLE. “They will go off for a few days at a time to play some road games, and I am just like sitting at home twiddling my thumbs thinking, ‘What do I do?’ ”

The answer: chores. “I cleaned, and we are moving into a new house, and so I was unpacking all of his stuff,” she said. “And laundry and dishes.”

Despite the challenges, Underwood says newlywed life is great. “Even though he’s not here with me tonight, I know he’s watching,” she said. “And just to have somebody that I know is 1,000 percent cheering me on, it’s really nice to have that kind of support.”

See the video at People

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2011 Golden Globes: Carrie Underwood On Her Pre-Marriage Dating Deal-Breaker

Carrie Underwood has happily settled into her “hockey wife” role with husband Mike Fisher, but she revealed to Billy Bush the deal-breaker that could have stopped their romance. Plus, the beauty shares her enthusiasm over her acting debut in the upcoming “Soul Surfer.”

Via Access Hollywood

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Universal and Sony Music plan ‘instant pop’ to beat piracy

Ten years after piracy first began to ravage the music industry, Britain’s two biggest record labels will finally try to play their part in stopping it, by making new singles available for sale on the day they first hit the airwaves.

Universal and Sony Music – home to Take That and Matt Cardle, respectively – hope the effort will encourage the impatient X Factor generation to buy songs they can listen to immediately rather than copying from radio broadcasts online.

Read more at The Guardian

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Jennifer Lopez EverSleek (SuperLiso) Commercial By L’Oreal

Jennifer Lopez’s new L’Oreal Commercial

Via givannybronx

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‘American Idol’s Jennfier Lopez: ‘I Feel Really Anxious’

Will she be a mean? Will she be the sweet one? Will she act the diva? There are many questions on the minds of “American Idol” followers these days, regarding what Jennifer Lopez will bring to that judges’ table when Season 10 debuts this week (Wednesday, Jan. 19 at 8 p.m./EST on Fox).

“You’re gonna have to watch.” That’s what Lopez told reporters earlier this week at the Television Critics Association’s press tour in LA, where she divulged a bit more about what we can expect from this pivotal season of the Fox show.

Read more at Fancast

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What a charmer! Simon Cowell pulls in ex Jackie St Clair for a kiss… as fiancée Mezhgan Hussainy looks on

He’s constantly surrounded by a bevvy of beautiful women, most of which are ex-girlfriends from his romantic past.

But now Simon Cowell is engaged, one would think he would leave the past behind him and concentrate on the future with fiancée Mezhgan Hussainy.

However, last night Cowell decided to merge his two worlds together when he pulled in ex Jackie St Clair for a tender kiss, while Mezhgan looked on.

Read more at Daily Mail

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Confirmed: Anne Hathaway Heading To ‘Glee’ To Play Kurt’s Lesbian Aunt

Anne Hathaway is heading to “Glee,” co-creator and writer Ryan Murphy confirmed to Access Hollywood on Sunday night.

“It is true,” Ryan told Access at the FOX post-Golden Globes party. “She said it in the press that she wants to play Chris Colfer’s lesbian aunt.”

Ryan revealed that casting Anne on “Glee” happened on Sunday night, while the Globes telecast was still going on.

“She walked by our table and we have a mutual friend and I said, ‘Do you really want to do it?’ And she said, ‘I do.’ And I said, ‘OK, we’re gonna do it.’”

Read more at Access Hollywood

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Glee and Big Bang Stars Celebrate Wins with (What Else?!) Romance Scoop for You Fans

Lea Michele on Finn and Rachel: “We’re broken up. I’m devastated.” And coming up ahead? “She’s definitely single right now.” Lea says that despite her earlier tease to me that something big happens between Finn and Rachel during the Valentine’s episode, “Finn and Rachel are broken up for the Valentine’s Day episode.” Hmmm! The silver lining? For you hoping for some legitimate friendship storylines for Rachel, Lea teases “[Rachel's] trying to enjoy the single life. Kurt and Mercedes are helping her get through it.”

Read more at EOnline

  • Kirsten

    Confirmed: Anne Hathaway Heading To ‘Glee’ To Play Kurt’s Lesbian Aunt

    Grrr!!!!!!!!!!

    In Hollywood, women age at 5 times the rate as men. Anne Hathaway is going to play an Aunt to Kurt when she is younger than the actor playing Kurt’s classmate, Corey Monteith (he was born in May, 1982 and she was born in Nov of 1982). This is like the Manchurian Candidate when Angela Landsbury at the age of 36 played the Mom of an actor 3 years her junior.

    I suppose it is possible that the character Anne is playing is much younger than Kurt’s Mom (it can’t be his Dad’s sister because then why is he figuring out how to relate to gay people…unless she just came out herself because, really, otherwise, he should know how to relate to gay people since he would presumable know his wife’s sister…perhaps she’s the gay SIL he has never in his life met because she was on some mission to Mars when he married his wife…this is so contrived. Granted, if she traveled to Mars at the speed of light, it would explain why she is so young compared to Mike O’Malley).

    Anne is so youthful looking. I’m just sad that she has now already aged into playing Mom-like characters to teens. Sure, at 28, she could be a grandma if she’d played her cards wrong, but 28 year old guys still get to play teens.

  • aa618892

    Damn, Jennifer Lopez is just gorgeous. She is one of those women whose beauty just gets deeper with age.

  • larc

    Kirsten:
    In Hollywood, women age at 5 times the rate as men. Anne Hathaway is going to play an Aunt to Kurt when she is younger than the actor playing Kurt’s classmate, Corey Monteith (he was born in May, 1982 and she was born in Nov of 1982).

    She’s only about 8 years older than Chris Colfer. That’s possible, though. I had a first cousin who was 2 years older than our youngest uncle. His (and my) grandparents and his parents were married very young.

    I don’t think any of the Glee cast is actually young enough to be a junior or senior in high school. More than one of those “students” is old enough to have a Ph.D.

  • Kirsten

    She’s only about 8 years older than Chris Colfer. That’s possible, though. I had a first cousin who was 2 years older than our youngest uncle

    Yes, it is possible, but in Hollywood, it seems that it’s always possible for women to be “the ‘young’ Aunt/Mom/Grandma/Octogenarian” while old wrinkly dudes with hound-dog jowls are playing “the ‘old’ student/rookie/son/grandson” while also bedding the young starlet (40 years their junior in real life). For some reason, I don’t think they are going to explain “Yes, Auntie Mary does look young enough to be going to your school, Kurt. That’s because your grandparents had your Mom when they were in their teens and your Aunt when they were in their 50s. And I’ve never met her because she was shipped off to boarding school in Elbonia when she was 2″. No, it will likely be treated as perfectly normal that she and Mike O’Malley are of the same generation even though Mike looks every minute of his 44 years if not more.

    It is rarely the other way around (much older actresses being cast as the same age as much younger actors).

    I don’t think any of the Glee cast is actually young enough to be a junior or senior in high school.

    I don’t mind that. You have to give up a few years leeway for casting purposes. Plus, you don’t want to run afoul of the child labor laws.

    But why does Anne have to be Kurt’s Aunt? What’s wrong with being a cousin? It would make more sense that Burt wasn’t familiar with relating to gay people then. What? Did he ban the poor woman from his house in the past? No wonder Kurt was terrified to come out to him. Of course, this is assuming that the Continuity Fairy visits the writer’s room that day. She’ll probably turn out to be Burt’s older sister and he’s known she was gay all her life. Who cares what we’ve been shown in the past? If Murphy can get somebody to guest on the show, he is more than happy to throw all history to the wind.

    Woman age so quickly. It’s interesting that the oldest female Idol winner, Carrie Underwood, was 21 when she won. That’s a year younger than the youngest male to win at 22 (Kris Allen). Crystal Bowersox at 24 was the oldest female to ever make the final 2 (Carrie is the second oldest).

  • BootStar

    Somebody managed to get video of Casey covering Tab Benoit’s “She’s Too Sweet for Me” when he performed at Buttons Restaurant in Fort Worth over Xmas.

    I wonder if he had that hat pulled down because he wasn’t supposed to be performing in public? ;-)

    And if I haven’t said it already ‘Glee’ is pretty much dead to me. Anne Hathaway as Curt’s aunt is beyond ridic.

  • JudyOhio

    The way Simon surrounds him self with his “girls” is starting to put me in mind of the old coot, Hugh Hefner, with his girls hanging around him (and on him). UGH, stop it Simon. Gross.

  • Tess

    Carrie Underwood should just smile prettily and walk past the interviewers while on the red carpet..she tries so hard but she just turns me off and leaves me cold. And when she attempts to be witty she can sound very much the opposite. I just can’t imagine what her movie debut will be like…maybe when she is scripted she won’t stuggle so hard with sounding somewhat interesting.

  • steph6449

    Does anyone have any idea what kind of song Matt is doing in his video?

  • larc

    JudyOhio:
    The way Simon surrounds him self with his “girls” is starting to put me in mind of the old coot, Hugh Hefner, with his girls hanging around him (and on him). UGH, stop it Simon. Gross.

    Funny that kind of thing never seems to happen to poor guys. ;)

  • Buffynut

    Anne is so youthful looking. I’m just sad that she has now already aged into playing Mom-like characters to teens. Sure, at 28, she could be a grandma if she’d played her cards wrong, but 28 year old guys still get to play teens.

    I understand your point, Kirsten, and I totally agree. One of my biggest pet peeves, in Hollywood, is the ugly old man, with the gorgeous young wife in movies. And it’s not the exception, it’s the rule! I see it even in TV commercials.
    However, it is really easy for Ann to be his aunt. I am closer in age to my oldest nephews (9 and 10 1/2 years) than I am to my 2 brothers, (11 & 12 1/2) years.) I was obviously a big “surprise” for my parents! LOL!
    I could see the storyline possible being that Kurt’s dad didn’t know his sister or SIL was gay. And she is coming out to the family. It wouldn’t have the impact a cousin would have.

  • GreatAdamFan

    Not sure if these pics had been posted yet. But here are 2 more pics of Adam at the recent event.

    Pic 1

    Pic 2

  • girlygirl

    It’s not like Anne Hathaway is going to be playing an old woman, so what’s the big deal? I know several people who have aunts or uncles who are very close to them in age — it’s not like it’s that uncommon for someone to have an aunt who is less than 10 years older than them — especially in large families.

    Also, I saw last night that Anne Hathaway is the one who approached the Glee producers about this role, so she’s probably totally stoked about it

  • girlygirl

    Hope this rumor about Kris playing at Stagecoach Festival is true. This festival is a HUGE deal (it’s produced by same people who run Coachella)

    http://www.tonsoftickets.com/Kris-Allen/kris-allen-tickets/empire-polo-field-05-01-2011.html

  • Elliegrll

    Hope this rumor about Kris playing at Stagecoach Festival is true. This festival is a HUGE deal (it’s produced by same people who run Coachella)

    The website already has the poster and the lineup up, and Kris isn’t listed, but Carrie Underwood is. http://stagecoachfestival.com/

    I want Kris to do some festivals, and this one is pretty big, but I’d rather he not do one that is mainly known for being a country festival. One of Kris’ biggest issues is establishing who he is as an artist. He’s very versatile and talented, and I know that his set in this type of environment or at the Alive festival, won’t be different than what he normally does, but it’s important for industry people and consumers to know what type of music he is producing, and what to expect from him, and these types of gigs just muddy the water. I’d love for him to do this after he’s established his musical identity beyond just being an AI winner.

  • Tess

    My biggest problem with Glee is just what the Anne Hathaway guest spot is pointing out. The show has become all about the guest stars and fitting them into some type of story-line, rather than having Actors chosen to fit a new character development. The basic story of Glee has gone right out the window…only resurfacing marginally for a few minutes an episode. The rest is about staging songs that will sell on I-tunes, or highlighting a guest, or borrowing from the latest real world social problem.

    Congrates to Chris colpher for his globe…but I wonder if the young man is type casting himself into being a one-trick pony. I sincerely hope not.

  • larc

    GreatAdamFan:
    Not sure if these pics had been posted yet. But here are 2 more pics of Adam at the recent event.

    Enough with the long hair. Adam needs a haircut!

  • larc

    Tess:
    The basic story of Glee has gone right out the window…only resurfacing marginally for a few minutes an episode.

    And the storyline is shallow even when it occasionally occurs. I had a hard time getting really interested in Glee early on. It doesn’t bother me much that it’s running opposite my favorite show now (NCIS).

  • girlygirl

    Elliegrll

    He could be a late addition/replacement. I don’t care that it’s a country festival — it is a huge deal to play Stagecoach and if it gets him more fans, that’s what matters. He’s playing a Christian music festival in June, too — doesn’t mean he’s suddenly decided to go the Christian — or country — route.

  • Eileen99

    The website already has the poster and the lineup up, and Kris isn’t listed, but Carrie Underwood is. http://stagecoachfestival.com/

    I checked out the website, and the artist lineup is as of 10/27; nothing’s been updated since then, so he could well have been added in the last 2-3 months. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he’s part of the lineup as his opening concerts with Keith Urban this summer seemed very well received. The one-off concert he did with Lady A also went well, from what I understand. I don’t see his participation in a few festivals out of his primary genre as a problem; he did his regular set at the Keith Urban show I saw, and the crowd responded very well.

  • Elliegrll

    He could be a late addition/replacement. I don’t care that it’s a country festival — it is a huge deal to play Stagecoach and if it gets him more fans, that’s what matters. He’s playing a Christian music festival in June, too — doesn’t mean he’s suddenly decided to go the Christian — or country — route.

    I know it doesn’t mean that he is going Christian or Country, and the Alive festival isn’t a big issue, but one of the toughest challenges for all AI alums is showing people what type of music they are releasing. Their paths are already made hard by having to release debut cds that have such a mishmash of styles. Playing the festival would be fine, if Kris’ musical style was already established, but I don’t think that has happened yet.

  • girlygirl

    From what I’ve heard, Stagecoach has had non-country acts perform there before. I shot off an email to the festival producers, and Lizzie was tweeted about it, so hopefully someone will confirm/deny this rumor pretty quickly. If he is playing, I need to get my ticket, since Indio isn’t too far from me :D

    ETA2 – well I guess others consider The Avett Brothers country. Ok — but they aren’t mainstream country — and they get played on AAA and even alt rock stations

    ETA – one of the acts to play last year’s festival was The Avett Brothers. They aren’t country at all — and they are starting to blow up now. So doesn’t seem like playing Stagecoach kept them from establishing their identity. I don’t think it would keep Kris from doing that, either. YMMV, of course

  • Indigobunting

    That would be great if Lee could sing the NA before the Packers/Bears game! We haven’t heard much from him lately, appearance wise.

    I will graciously accept him singing the NA (vs. Danny singing for his beloved Packers, since Danny has sung the NA five times now) as long as the Packers win ;)

  • Indigobunting

    Girl girl, the Avett Brothers are definitely considered country.

    They are Alt. country.

  • Eileen99

    Wow, I just read through the *huge* excerpt Newsweek posted from Richard Rushfield’s new book. There is juicy stuff in there! I think the book will get a lot of attention.

  • CindyM

    Glee is starting to remind me of the last season of Will & Grace with all the guest stars being the focus.

    Interesting to read that story with Michael Lynch on Idol and his talking about the “shock” they feel when 19 doesn’t sign them to a deal and their handlers who’ve managed their lives go away after the tour.

    That sounds like a great gig for Kris!

  • tripp_ncwy

    Does anyone follow Chris Sligh? He had a little twitter meltdown last night after his recent gig.

    ChrisSligh Chris Sligh
    #I have found that industry towns (Atlanta, Nashville, L.A. & NYC) are always the toughest crowds. Tonight, my mind wasn’t changed.

    #Tough night in every way. Miss my girls, crowd reacted apathetically (esp compared to the last 4 shows!), and low merch sales as a result.

    #Most people coming to these shows don’t realize I only make a living if I sell merchandise. I don’t get paid. At all.

    I won’t post everything but I thought it was interesting. I thought he was already established and successful.
    He also posted this blog.
    http://www.chrissligh.com/content/music-industry-and-touring-101

  • Elliegrll

    ETA – one of the acts to play last year’s festival was The Avett Brothers. They aren’t country at all — and they are starting to blow up now. So doesn’t seem like playing Stagecoach kept them from establishing their identity. I don’t think it would keep Kris from doing that, either. YMMV, of course

    Like Crystal, their music is classified as folk, alt. country, and alt. rock, and even bluegrass, so it’s not unusual that they would play this festival, since the main formats for their music would be AAA and some country stations. They’ve also been around for over a decade, so they aren’t exactly new, even if they are just now getting mainstream attention.

    IMO, Kris situation has to be taken into account. Just like Jive needed to think about his lack of name recognition before they released the second single, 19 needs to think about what image they are portraying when they book him for gigs. For example, while the BareNaked Ladies gig put him in front of new people, how effective were these gigs if many of the people aren’t regular listeners to HAC or top40 stations, are not in the demo that Kris is being targeted to.

  • BootStar

    ETA – one of the acts to play last year’s festival was The Avett Brothers. They aren’t country at all — and they are starting to blow up now.

    Of course they’d qualify as country! They won the award for best duo or group from the Americana Music Awards last year.

  • girlygirl

    Indigobunting

    But They aren’t mainstream country at all and I hear them on my alternative rock station here in L.A. …so they definitely aren’t a group that is really considered “true country” — they cross several genre lines

    bootstar

    that’s very cool — but again, those awards aren’t really for mainstream country, are they? aren’t they more for the alt country acts who cross all sorts of music genres?

    I’m excited if he gets this gig (and it is just a RUMOR right now) because (A) introduces him to more potential fans and (B) shows bigtime producers know about him (the people who run Stagecoach also produce Coachella, a ton of oher festivals and a bunch of regular concerts) and (C) I don’t think it will have any influence on establishing his musical identity. He played all those gigs with Keith Urban and he opened for Lady A, so it’s not like he hasn’t played in front of country audiences before. And playing those gigs didn’t change his musical identity…

    People complain about Kris needing to get more exposure — well, this festival is a huge deal, so it would definitely help in that area.

    I’m not a country fan by any stretch of the imagination, but if Kris plays there, I’m going. Who knows – maybe I’ll end up becoming a fan of some country act(s) — broaden my horizons and all that :)

  • Joyed

    Wow, I just read through the *huge* excerpt Newsweek posted from Richard Rushfield’s new book. There is juicy stuff in there!

    The worst thing I read in there was about Cowell bailing out a friend of his convicted of child molestation. Awful!

    The rest about the lawsuit between the Simons threatening season 5 and leading to the end of Pop Idol is interesting. However, some of the article felt like it was just using public facing interviews they gave and not the “true” story, when we got quotes from either Simon.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    I thought he [Sligh] was already established and successful.

    It depends where you set the parameters for “successful.” On the plus side, he’s signed with a major label under one of its Christian imprints, and his debut album sold ~54,000 copies. On the minus side, last known sales for his sophomore album were ~5,000.

    Even if it’s hit 8,000 by now, this doesn’t add up to much cash for him, and it would definitely put him in the category of acts that have to scramble for tour spots with bigger names. His blog matches what I’ve read elsewhere about what touring is like for newer acts with small sales.

  • BootStar

    There’s a lot more to country music than “mainstream country.” Alt-country/Americana music is huge in indie circles. So this could be great for Kris.

    Here’s The Avett Brothers performing “Shame.” They fit into that same general category as Mumford & Son.

  • Chicagolaw

    Very cool if Lee is singing the National Anthem before the Bears game. Nothing against Gokey, but NO WAY would I want a Packer fan singing the NA at Soldier Field.

  • Elliegrll

    But They aren’t mainstream country at all and I hear them on my alternative rock station here in L.A. …so they definitely aren’t a group that is really considered “true country” — they cross several genre lines

    They are a country band, but their music is not modern country, so they might not get a lot of airplay from country stations, and are thrown onto the eclectic playlists of AAA stations. But, because the audience for those stations is so small, they have to appeal to their base, which is country music listeners.

    Bringing this back to Kris, I don’t know if he sees himself as an alternative or indie type of artist, my view is that his music is very mainstream, so he should be marketed as a mainstream artist.

  • car

    I agree girlygirl about aunts close in age. My niece is 3 years younger than I am. But she was always twice my size and looked older. It was no fun after being the baby then not even having a niece that ya could boss around. lol

  • Nina1

    Interesting to read that story with Michael Lynch on Idol and his talking about the “shock” they feel when 19 doesn’t sign them to a deal and their handlers who’ve managed their lives go away after the tour.

    Those who go on tour but are not signed must experience on heck of a crash when they get home….I just can’t imagine. Brutal.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Those who go on tour but are not signed must experience on heck of a crash when they get home….I just can’t imagine. Brutal.

    There have been many stories about what happens after the last night of tour for those that are not signed. Essentially, here is your plane ticket and no goodbye.

  • koshka

    For example, while the BareNaked Ladies gig put him in front of new people, how effective were these gigs if many of the people aren’t regular listeners to HAC or top40 stations, are not in the demo that Kris is being targeted to.

    While I’m not involved in this conversation.. i thought this was a pretty insightful comment that we often don’t too deeply about. When we look at opening gigs & festivals it is important to hit the right demographic for future music buyers. You want to put your guy/gal in people that listen to radio or access similar music that 1) will actually buy new music 2) music that is similar your artist. For instance, my husband is a huge classic rock fan (not my cuppa) but I would probably bet that fits a specific profile which includes age, profession, etc, he is a classic rock guy that doesn’t often buy music, but would go see his favorites in concert in a heartbeat.

    Essentially, you want newer hot acts that are selling well. I love BNL (well, BNL with steven ;) – this might not have been the very best combo for Kris. Perhaps that was the best opportunity that was currently available for a specific time period, but it wasn’t optimal for making an impact on CHR and HAC. Still better to be out there performing than not at all.

    Anyway.. that is my useless rambling for today.

  • dy77

    I agree with GirlyGirl and Eileen99, this Stagecoach rumor if it pans out (hope Lizzie confirms or denies soon) to me is only a good thing for Kris, in terms of exposure outside the Idol bubble. In past years the festival had the Eagles and John Fogerty among others, as well as the country acts. Plus many of those country acts it features have become mainstream in terms of their music occasionally hitting on pop radio. And quite honestly, I’m a country music fan and if Kris took it that way in future years, I wouldn’t complain (I believe in past interviews that he has said he is a country music fan but not at this point looking to record a country album, although he wouldn’t rule it out in the future.)

    Also minor point of interest, there is an internet country station that is playing AWM regularly. Now it is a listener-request based station, and so KA fans are requesting it, but having heard it on that station, it fits right in. Here is the link: http://www.nixacountry.com. The station is also playing FD regularly for the Crystal fans.

  • Indigobunting

    Nothing against Gokey, but NO WAY would I want a Packer fan singing the NA at Soldier Field.

    Lol, ChicagoLaw- I’d feel the same way if Lee were to sing at Lambeau!
    I understand completely.

    That’s ok, Lee can take the NA; Danny can see the Pack take the win ;)

    ETA: I think that gig would be nice for Kris; IMO, any gigs where you have a chance at new fans is good. Was just commenting that the Avett bros. were definitely more in the country circle than other circles.

    Nixa country pretty much plays all the Idols- they play Lee also!

  • dy77

    Oh well, Lizzie just responded:
    @lizbiz8
    The Stagecoach rumor is a false one

  • girlygirl

    oh well, so much for getting my hopes up :(

  • Eileen99

    Oh well, Lizzie just responded:
    @lizbiz8
    The Stagecoach rumor is a false one

    Oh, how quickly we get our hopes up, only to see those young, blossoming hopes dashed against the jagged rocks. What a long, cold winter it is already. *sigh*

  • koshka

    Sorry Kris fans. :(

  • girlygirl

    But at least this gig isn’t a rumor. YAY! :D

    lizbiz8
    Kris will be singing the National Anthem at the Pro Bowl on Jan 30 on FOX – Hawaii here we come!
    2 minutes ago

  • Chicagolaw

    LOL, Indigobunting, I understand completely! My husband and brother will actually be at the game on Sunday. If the rumor is true, Lee must be totally stoked.

  • dy77

    Lizzie is so good to us Kris fans! :) I now have a sudden interest in the Pro Bowl. :)

  • hoosiermama

    That’s ok, Lee can take the NA; Danny can see the Pack take the win ;)

    NOT happening, Indigobunting! :-) I just said yesterday to my hubby that I wondered if Lee would sing next week, just like Kris sang last year in New Orleans’ championship game. I hope this rumor is true!

    ETA: Yay Pro Bowl!

  • Hazehel

    The worst thing I read in there was about Cowell bailing out a friend of his convicted of child molestation.

    You know you can only bailed someone before they get convicted, right? And there is presumption of innocence until proven otherwise in your country?

  • gangreen29

    Woman age so quickly. It’s interesting that the oldest female Idol winner, Carrie Underwood, was 21 when she won. That’s a year younger than the youngest male to win at 22 (Kris Allen). Crystal Bowersox at 24 was the oldest female to ever make the final 2 (Carrie is the second oldest).

    I’ve never noticed that before. Hmmmm. Thanks for pointing it our Kirsten.

  • girlygirl

    Kris was 23 — and about to turn 24 — when he won Idol (born June 1985). Not 22. Lee might be the youngest male winner. He’s what — 23 or 24?

  • luly

    YAY for a new gig for Kris :).

  • Valentin432

    Carrie talks about Jason Aldean and Kelly Clarkson during a radio interview.

    http://www.4shared.com/audio/oUlgfAvA/Carrie_talks_about_Kelly.html

  • Eileen99

    It’s interesting that the oldest female Idol winner, Carrie Underwood, was 21 when she won. That’s a year younger than the youngest male to win at 22 (Kris Allen). Crystal Bowersox at 24 was the oldest female to ever make the final 2 (Carrie is the second oldest).

    Hmmm, this is interesting. I’ve never thought about the age of the winners before. Kirsten, do you have a handy list of the ages of the winners & runners-up?

  • smeggingnuts

    “It is hard being a hockey wife,” the country star, 27, told PEOPLE. “They will go off for a few days at a time to play some road games, and I am just like sitting at home twiddling my thumbs thinking, ‘What do I do?’ ”

    Oh the poor dear, quick someone send her something to crochet.

    And wow looks like Chris Sligh’s ego took a poke

  • gangreen29

    I just read Chris Sligh’s blog. Screw him. He is so arrogant. It isn’t the responsibility of the headliner’s fan to financially support your music career Chris. If they didn’t like your performance, they have no reason to feel compelled to buy your crap. There are thousands of struggling artists out there, I hate how he acts like he is owed success in his career.

  • girlygirl

    If she’s really bored, Carrie should just go on the road with her husband. Hockey games are fun!

    And while I get that Chris S needs to sell merch to make a living, he shouldn’t complain about it publicly if he has a bad show or two. That’s just acting entitled…

  • girlygirl

    Idol winners’ ages (age at time they won the show)

    Kelly Clarkson – 20 (b. April 1982; won Sept. 2002)
    Ruben Studdard – 24 (b. Sept. 1978; won May 2003)
    Fantasia Barrino – 19 (b. June 1984; won May 2004)
    Carrie Underwood – 22 (b. March 1983; won May 2005)
    Taylor Hicks – 29 (b. Oct. 1976; won May 2006)
    Jordin Sparks – 17 (b. Dec. 1989; won May 2007)
    David Cook – 25 (b. Dec. 1982; won May 2008)
    Kris Allen – 23 (b. June 1985; won May 2009)
    Lee DeWyze – 24 (b. April 1986; won May 2010)

  • Mel1

    If she’s really bored, Carrie should just go on the road with her husband. Hockey games are fun!

    That shouldn’t even have been something to question. Carrie can even fly in and out to different cities for select games. Esp, since Carrie seemed to be on the road herself too after their marriage. I think separation ( being apart too frequently) is the biggest offender of divorces.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    ^^ Well let’s hope the next winner is female and younger than 22.

  • smeggingnuts

    And while I get that Chris S needs to sell merch to make a living, he shouldn’t complain about it publicly if he has a bad show or two. That’s just acting entitled…

    Chris has always come off to me as entitled and an ass with an ego almost the size of Simon’s lol

  • Kirsten

    Kris was 23 — and about to turn 24 — when he won Idol (born June 1985). Not 22.

    Ugh! Yes. For some reason, I was thinking S8 was 2008, but it was 2009. Blah.

    Thanks for the cool summary list.

  • windmills

    girlygirl: If she’s really bored, Carrie should just go on the road with her husband. Hockey games are fun!

    Carrie addressed this in some recent interviews. Wives & girlfriends are generally discouraged by the team from joining the team on road trips. They’re also not allowed on the team charter jet. I think she said she’ll probably be at some road games around her birthday though.

    Carrie’s also said that chores like organizing and grocery shopping are her favorite so I don’t think the bored comment should be taken that seriously.

    If you look at the Senators’s schedule you can kind of figure out why Carrie’s spending most of January in Ottawa and why she’s said she’ll start writing for the new album in February. Ottawa’s got a lot of home games in January plus there’s the All Star Break, and they have a long road trip in the beginning of February. Carrie’ll probably head back to Nashville to write during the roadtrip.

    Valentin432: Thanks for posting that clip of Carrie talking about Kelly! It was funny but also awesome, especially the part where Carrie talked about Kelly being one of her favorite people. It’s from Carrie cohosting Country Countdown USA.

    It was a fun interview. Here are a few more clips from that. I LOVE her friendship with Brad Paisley and the stuff about Mike is really funny.
    About cohosting the CMAs with Brad Paisley
    About Brad winning CMA Entertainer Of The Year
    About Billy Currington having “Walmart feet”
    About being OCD and how Craig Morgan and her husband have “man crushes” on each other
    About how the bowls in their house need to be with their friends
    About Mike’s “man room” in their house
    About being a “goober” when she saw her mom on the screen at the CMA Awards

  • girlygirl

    Here are the ages of the AI runners-up at the time the show ended

    Justin Guarini – 23 (b. Oct. 1978)
    Clay Aiken – 24 (b. Nov. 1978)
    Diana DeGarmo – 16 (b. June 1987)
    Bo Bice – 29 (b. Nov. 1975)
    Katherine McPhee – 22 (b. March 1984)
    Blake Lewis – 25 (b. July 1981)
    David Archuleta – 17 (b. Dec. 1990)
    Adam Lambert – 27 (b. Jan. 1982)
    Crystal Bowersox – 24 (b. Aug. 1985)

  • Hazehel

    I just read Chris Sligh’s blog. Screw him. He is so arrogant. It isn’t the responsibility of the headliner’s fan to financially support your music career Chris. If they didn’t like your performance, they have no reason to feel compelled to buy your crap. There are thousands of struggling artists out there, I hate how he acts like he is owed success in his career.

    Can’t help feeling a bit of schadenfreude considering how he boasted how well he has done for himself – second or third best of his year and doing better than most of Season 7′s idols or something like that? And proffering advice to struggling idols about hard work? How does it feel to be a struggling now?

    On something else completely different and non-Idol related – I just read today that Canadians have banned Dire Straits’ Money For Nothing, apparently due to objectionable words in the lyrics. After 25 years. Funniest things I read in quite a while. (Just watch it Eminem, or the Canadians will get you in 20 years time.)

  • girlygirl

    windmills

    Maybe it would cut down on the cheating if wives weren’t discouraged to go on trips. And I don’t think Carrie showing up for a couple of road games here & there would disrupt the Senators that much — they are a crappy team to begin with (they are in last place) and Fisher is having a poor season — maybe having his wife around would improve his play :)

  • girlygirl

    Hazelhel

    what’s the objectionable word? (trying to run the lyrics of that song through my head)

  • Hazehel

    what’s the objectionable word? (trying to run the lyrics of that song through my head)

    Faggot – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwDDswGsJ60

    Next up for banning, Randy Newman’s Short People (offensive to short people all over the world of course).

  • smeggingnuts

    On something else completely different and non-Idol related – I just read today that Canadians have banned Dire Straits’ Money For Nothing, apparently due to objectionable words in the lyrics. After 25 years. Funniest things I read in quite a while.

    yeah well implying that MTV plays music videos seems objectionable to me

    Though serisouly my guess is this part

    See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup
    Yeah buddy that’s his own hair
    That little faggot got his own jet airplane
    That little faggot he’s a millionaire

  • smeggingnuts

    Next up for banning, Randy Newman’s Short People

    haha my dad sings that song at me all the time

  • girlygirl

    oh ok, thanks. I haven’t heard that song in awhile. it probably gets played on AC type stations or “oldies” stations occasionally, though

    ETA — Being short (5’3″) myself, I didn’t like Randy Newman’s song for a long time. I got over it, though… :D

  • batgirl478

    I’ve heard that song countless times but I never picked up on that word. Of course sometimes I have trouble understanding the lyrics. Or maybe they’ve censored it on the radio?

  • gangreen29

    Holy crap. I just looked up top 12 idols older than 24 at the time of the finale for their season to see the breakdown by gender, and it is crazy. Obviously everyone is from season 4 on when the age limit changed. Only Nadia (28), Mandisa (29) Melinda (29) and Lakisha (27) were over 25. However 18! males were 25 or older. That includes 11 guys who were either 28 or 29…

    ETA Sorry, it is actually 20 guys over 24, I forgot Casey and Michael Lynch

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    so excited for wednsday!

  • Elliegrll

    Chris Sligh is an idiot. His label just told him that he had a bad reputation in the industry, because of some of the things that he’s tweeted and written on his blog, so he knows that it’s just not fans or idol fanatics that are reading what he’s writing. He’s still at the beginning of his career, and trying to make a name for himself, so he shouldn’t expect to move a lot of merchandise at concerts where most of the people don’t have a clue about who he is. The best way that he can get people to pay attention to his music, is to put on the best face that he can whenever he is in the public eye, and that applies to how he presents himself at public appearances, and on his twitter and blog. That’s actually a lesson for all of the idol alums.

  • Eileen99

    So we like our female Idols young & our male Idols a little older….. trying to figure out what that means, lol.

  • windmills

    LOL girlygirl. Like I said, Carrie seems to be planning to be at some away games but at the same time I think she’s talked about how she and Mike try to respect each other’s jobs and not be all up in them. The Canadian media often tries chasing her down at games and I think she and Mike would rather lie low until the people get used to the idea of a celeb being a Senators wife. I don’t really track the Senators on a day to day basis but I’ve read Fisher DOES play better when she’s in the house ;) I don’t think Fisher’s goal production is too far down and apparently he’s been playing injured most of the season.

    Avett Brothers: I’ve always thought of them as roots/alt-country.

    Kris playing Stagecoach would be a pretty big deal in my opinion. But I wouldn’t necessarily trust a broker’s site. I remember there was one trying to sell Houston Rodeo tickets by saying Carrie, Gaga, and Bieber would be there. But Carrie doesn’t play rodeos on principle and sure enough, when the Houston Rodeo lineup was announced she wasn’t in it.

    I’ve always thought Chris Sligh is a smart guy with the unfortunate tendency to say things in ways that make people want to disagree with him. I thought his blog was fine. His Tweets were more frustrated and I guess when a show doesn’t go as well you want to think that a person is looking at himself and wondering what he’s going to do better to get them next time.

    EDIT: Kirsten, girlygirl, gangreen29: Awesome info on the gender/age thing on AI!

  • girlygirl

    Well it means that at least the 35+ female viewers who are a large part of the Idol voters are at least voting for guys who are of legal age :)

  • gangreen29

    So we like our female Idols young & our male Idols a little older….. trying to figure out what that means, lol.

    Lakisha, Nadia, Melinda, and Mandisa had their ages thrown around a lot as an insult too in the idol bubble. That wasn’t something that Bo or Constantine or Michael Johns or Gokey ever had to deal with. It is strange especially because there are 23 and 24 year old female idols, but 25 is like some awful line that should almost never be crossed lol.

  • girlygirl

    I’ve heard stuff about how it’s supposedly harder to sell music in the pop market once you hit 30 — especially if you are female. So maybe that has something to do with it? (although I don’t quite understand why 30 would be a barrier for being able to put out pop music an audience would be interested in. 50, maybe, but 30?)

  • smeggingnuts

    Eileen99:
    01/17/2011 at 2:40 pm
    So we like our female Idols young & our male Idols a little older….. trying to figure out what that means, lol.

    I think is shows what the entertainment industry scews. The females must be young and the males can be alot older. Look at the artists currently in POP music. Most of all the popular females are in their early 20′s where as the men can be in there late 20′s and even 30′s. There are exceptions but…

  • artemis

    Many posters last year were claiming Adam was too old to make it as a pop star. That did not turn out to be true.
    As for the females-how old is Fergie? She seems to be doing pretty well.

  • gangreen29

    Okay, now research on Under 18 year olds lol. 11 girls and 5 guys. Since season 4 though where the data from the older idols is from, 7 girls and 4 guys.

  • songsungblue

    This is like the 40th interview I’ve read where Carrie claims to be grocery shopping and cleaning. Come on! She HAS to have a staff. Frankly, I don’t buy it. Oh and FYI Carrie – stop b**tching about your hubby leaving town. You knew he was a hockey player, right? Sheesh.

  • Tess

    Heh…we live in a society where women reach their peak at 21 and its all down hill after that…and I will say that is unequivicably caused by males and their “lust” factor. Men on the other hand are viewed, often, as improving with age once their pimples and greasy hair, and oversized teeth are brought under control. It’s just like gray hair is distinguished on males and considered aging on women.

    Like it or not we still live in a world that is pretty shallow about age.

  • Chicagolaw

    Radio has been playing an edited version of Money For Nothing that leaves out the “faggot verse” for years, at least around here.

    I always found the argument that Adam was too old for pop pretty funny—Christina A just turned 30, Pink is 30, JT must be about 30, Enrique is having a break-out year at the “ancient” age of 35.

  • gangreen29

    I always found the argument that Adam was too old for pop pretty funny—Christina A just turned 30, Pink is 30, JT must be about 30, Enrique is having a break-out year at the “ancient” age of 35.

    All those artists started much younger than Adam though. Not saying I agree with the argument, but I think it was more will he have a sustained pop career because of his age. The statistics I found do show that Adam really wasn’t that old for an idol male though actually. I had no idea Gokey was older than him. For some reason I thought he was like 24 lol?!?

  • Dakota01

    I always found the argument that Adam was too old for pop pretty funny—Christina A just turned 30, Pink is 30, JT must be about 30, Enrique is having a break-out year at the “ancient” age of 35.

    Don’t forget Britney … she’s pushing 30 too (29 in December).

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    I’ve heard stuff about how it’s supposedly harder to sell music in the pop market once you hit 30 — especially if you are female. So maybe that has something to do with it? (although I don’t quite understand why 30 would be a barrier for being able to put out pop music an audience would be interested in. 50, maybe, but 30?)

    Yeah. I’ve read on Pulse that female popstars should be at their peak in their mid twenties (23-27). So that would mean that they should start their careers way before they are 23. It’s important that they start early. Look at Britney, Christina, Rihanna. They all released their debut albums early. Rihanna is in her 5th era and she is what, almost 23 or already 23? Young. And she is working all the time. She is in her primetime.

    So, I can totally understand why they lowered the age limit to 15 (even though 16 was totally fine)- if they want to create a popstar (male or female) they need young contestants.

  • Joyed

    Interesting about the age thing. However it made me wonder – how many 25+ women did the producers put through to the voting round? I bet there were fewer women than men put through of that age. That would impact the age stats for finalists.

  • gangreen29

    While on the topic of age, I just wanted to let those who aren’t following spoilers that are worried about the whole age thing with the 15 year olds that the youngins are not dominating this season. Only 7 18 or under contestants in the top 40. 4 guys and three girls. I’m pretty sure three of them are very foddery.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja
    I always found the argument that Adam was too old for pop pretty funny—Christina A just turned 30, Pink is 30, JT must be about 30, Enrique is having a break-out year at the “ancient” age of 35.

    Don’t forget Britney … she’s pushing 30 too (29 in December).

    But these artists are not starting their careers NOW. They started way younger.

  • Silent Screams

    Chris Sligh looks like a physics professor. No star power whatsoever.

  • MollyAnnMay

    Well let’s hope the next winner is female and younger than 22.

    I hope that the next winner has a great voice and is a compelling performer. If s/he’s a good musician that would be a plus.

    Gee, no wonder Idol doesn’t want me to watch their program.

    No doubt, age and gender are *much* more important.

    As long as the winner is the right age and more importantly, has the right look, her/his music can be manufactured by the same middle-aged white guys who manufacture so much other pop “music” (Max Martin and Dr. Luke, I’m looking at you). S/he’ll be a supahstah!

  • tripp_ncwy

    So, Lee will be singing at home in the cold/snow of Chicago & Kris will be singing outside in the sun & ocean breezes of Hawaii. Both are good gigs but if I had to choose, I would take Hawaii. :-)

  • gangreen29

    So, Lee will be singing at home in the cold/snow of Chicago & Kris will be singing outside in the sun & ocean breezes of Hawaii. Both are good gigs but if I had to choose, I would take Hawaii.

    WAAAY more people watch the NFC championship game than the Pro Bowl.

  • stay4awhile

    Yessss! So excited for Lee! Does anyone know if the Anthem is televised for the playoff games? :)

  • Kirsten

    Only Nadia (28), Mandisa (29) Melinda (29) and Lakisha (27) were over 25. However 20! males were 25 or older. That includes 11 guys who were either 28 or 29…

    Thanks for collecting those stats. I’d heard that Idol skews really young on the female contestants, but I had no idea it was that bad.

    Interesting about the age thing. However it made me wonder – how many 25+ women did the producers put through to the voting round? I bet there were fewer women than men put through of that age.

    I bet you are right. Thinking through contestants that who got booted in the semis and the females seem to be on the pretty young side. S7 was a bloodbath of pretty, young blondes.

  • Kitwana

    All those artists started much younger than Adam though. Not saying I agree with the argument, but I think it was more will he have a sustained pop career because of his age.

    I think this is right. Christina, Britney and Pink started in their late teens/early 20′s. Enrique was a latin star at 20 and a bonafide English language popstar by the time he was 24. If you have had success early, I think it is easier to sustain a career into your 30s although it is still a challenge for men and women. If you start late, I think it just becomes that much harder. The Idol producers must have known this. Wonder why they decided to increase the age limit for contestants? If anything, they should have gone the other way and should have tried to pimp the younger contestants. I guess better late than never.

  • gangreen29

    Yes stay4awhile, it will be televised.

  • Chicagolaw

    I don’t think Lee would change a thing about singing in freezing Soldier Field. For obvious reasons, this is a HUGE event.

  • tripp_ncwy

    WAAAY more people watch the NFC championship game than the Pro Bowl.

    The Pro Bowl will be WAAAY more fun.

  • car

    Archie and Allison and Dianna were some of the younger contestants. How is that working out in the real world?

  • Eileen99

    Wonder why they decided to increase the age limit for contestants? If anything, they should have gone the other way and should have tried to pimp the younger contestants. I guess better late than never.

    This is a good point – they should have figured out long ago if they want a star in a genre that sells well (Pop), they need younger contestants. That way, they can reap the benefits of big front-end sales right off the show & also (they hope) build a long, sustained career so 19 can make boatloads of additional money off them over the long haul.

  • girlygirl

    my guess for why they raised the age limit is because they probably saw a lot of people who tried to sneak past the age limit stuff at the auditions for that first season or 2, and that enough of these people were good enough for TPTB to decide they might be missing out on a potential star. After all, if the original age limits for the show were still in place (16-24), Adam and Danny and Sarver wouldn’t have been allowed to take part in S8 — they would’ve been too old.

  • Chicagolaw

    I don’t think age makes much of a difference in terms of potential for success, especially in today’s pop music scene. Lots of factors are at play.

  • car

    Girlygirl, Adam was only 26 when he started idol so he would have been eligible.

  • girlygirl

    as for Lee’s and Kris’ gigs, Kris gets the better climate, but Lee gets the more important gig because probably (at least) 3x as many people watch the NFC title game than watch the Pro Bowl. I remember how excited I was that Kris sang the NA at last year’s NFC title game in New Orleans.

    Still, nice that both guys are doing these… Lee’s a a big Bears’ fan, right? so extra special for him that he’s doing this gig (ironically (sort of), Kris is a Packers fan — maybe they should make a friendly wager on the game)

  • stay4awhile

    Thanks, gangreen29 ;)

  • girlygirl

    nvm

  • Valentin432

    Maybee they raised and lowered the age limit because they want a bigger talent pool to chose from.

    That’s one other concern about the X factor too, by and large they are looking for the same type of contestant. Yes, groups and over 30′s can also take part but anyone who has watched the UK version knows that the main categories are boys and girls, this should be even more the case in america where Boys and Girls bands are really not current at all.

  • Kitwana

    car:
    01/17/2011 at 4:00 pm
    Archie and Allison and Dianna were some of the younger contestants. How is that working out in the real world?

    For David, based on his first two albums, I think he is doing pretty good. Not as good for the third album but don’t forget he released it at 19 and has lots of time. I think it would be different if David released his first album at 28 and if he released his third album at 31 or 32. If that third album did not work out, I think the critics would be far less kind and say that he is way too old to be doing pop. All things being equal, I think youth is an advantage in pop.

  • gangreen29

    Girlygirl, Adam was only 26 when he started idol so he would have been eligible.

    The original age limit was 24.

  • larc

    tripp_ncwy:
    The Pro Bowl will be WAAAY more fun.

    Not to mention way warmer!

    *chatter* *chatter* *chatter*

  • Milly21

    i think Madonna was 26 when she started her singing career and i know Jennifer Lopez was almost 30. and they had very long and succesful pop careers

    i think as long as the music is good and you look young enough and you have a lot of hype around you, you’ll be ok in the music industry.

    i think it starts to get a little more difficult for people once they get closer to 40.

  • girlygirl

    Has nothing to do with who is more talented, but if you are younger, in general it’s more likely the label might give you more time to develop if you aren’t immediately successful (not always, of course, as shown with what happened with Allison), and it’s also probably easier to adjust your style to the changing trends in pop music than it would be if you are 30 or so.

  • girlygirl

    Madonna was 24 when her first single was released in October 1982 and her album came out in 1983 a few weeks before her 25th birthday. But considering she’s still sucessful at age 52, she’s more an exception to the rule.

    Jennifer Lopez was already established as an actress before she started her singing career, wasn’t she? so the “rule” really wouldn’t apply if she was already well known

  • bridgette12

    All things being equal, I think youth is an advantage in pop.

    I think youth is an advantage if you have the right people guiding you and have the talent to be a pop star. Allison made a album no one wanted to buy and was dropped a year later. David’s album and single sales are anemic. If his sales don’t pick up, he might not sell any more than Allison did.

  • kmd

    Kitwana: I couldn’t agree with you more about David. He does have youth on his side for pop music.

  • CindyM

    As long as the winner is the right age and more importantly, has the right look, her/his music can be manufactured by the same middle-aged white guys who manufacture so much other pop “music” (Max Martin and Dr. Luke, I’m looking at you). S/he’ll be a supahstah!

    Well, they need to do something. Right now, that’s what’s working in Pop music and I don’t think Pink, Kelly Clarkson, Britney, Katy Perry, Avril are complaining too much. I doubt Sony/Jive/RCA are either. :)

  • cwm

    This is very cool — regarding Adam’s charity:water campaign:

    paullyoung:
    Wow, Saturday was @charitywater’s 2nd highest traffic day of all time, thanks to @adamlambert’s birthday campaign: http://bit.ly/hBF2EQ about 6 hours ago via TweetDeck

    According to his Twitter bio, Paull Young is the “Director of Digital @charitywater.”

    BTW, the total is currently at $67,000.

  • Montavilla

    I suppose it is possible that the character Anne is playing is much younger than Kurt’s Mom (it can’t be his Dad’s sister because then why is he figuring out how to relate to gay people…unless she just came out herself because, really, otherwise, he should know how to relate to gay people since he would presumable know his wife’s sister…perhaps she’s the gay SIL he has never in his life met because she was on some mission to Mars when he married his wife…this is so contrived. Granted, if she traveled to Mars at the speed of light, it would explain why she is so young compared to Mike O’Malley).

    Yeah. The biggest problem isn’t Anne Hathaway’s age. It’s that Kurt having a lesbian aunt makes hash of his being an isolated gay character. And of Burt having so many issues with Kurt’s orientation. It might work if she ran away from Lima as young person and wasn’t ever out to her family. That would allow the writers to touch on something that does often happen — and has contributed to the isolation of gay youth because the people who could be their roles model (older gay men and women) left for friendlier places before they were born.

    But what it sounds like is some silly idea that pops into a person’s head when they are at the Golden Globes and drinking a little.

    To change the subject, I have to laugh that Nigel Lythgoe is now throwing Ryan-of-a-year-ago under the bus.

  • CindyM

    bridgette12:
    01/17/2011 at 4:23 pm

    All things being equal, I think youth is an advantage in pop.

    I think youth is an advantage if you have the right people guiding you and have the talent to be a pop star. Allison made a album no one wanted to buy and was dropped a year later. David’s album and single sales are anemic. If his sales don’t pick up, he might not sell any more than Allison did.

    I think you’ve hit the key point here, Bridgette. These young singers need to have really good guidance and management. There are plenty of very young people with pop hits early in their youth and then never heard from again. Sometimes because they couldn’t handle the pressure. The entertainment business is rough, being labeled a has-been at 18-19 years old can really be tough to handle for someone that young. Some make comebacks, but that’s the exception rather than the rule.

  • gangreen29

    To change the subject, I have to laugh that Nigel Lythgoe is now throwing Ryan-of-a-year-ago under the bus.

    Nigel would thrown his own mother under the bus lol

  • MollyAnnMay

    I doubt Sony/Jive/RCA are either.

    Of course they’re not. I just think it’s hilarious that there is so much emphasis on “youth” when so much of today’s “youthful” sound is a cynical construct of people who are hardly youthful themselves.

    And just because something is successful, that doesn’t necessarily make it good.

  • artemis

    Allison’s problem was that radio would not play her music, so she had nothing to sustain her sales after her Idol fanbase had finished buying. The same thing happened to Archie with his latest album, which surprised me, after he had such a huge hit with Crush. So it’s not enough to be young and talented to become a pop star.
    I don’t see how Idol is going to produce even a minor star if the albums released next year are simply covers from the show. I guess it works for Susan Boyle and Glee, but how is a singer going to define him or herself as an artist by singing only covers?

  • Trina

    As soon as I saw both Lee and Kris had NA gigs coming up I had started praying it wouldn’t lead to a “my Idol is getting the better gig” fanwar. I shouldn’t even be shocked anymore.

    Something tells me Lee doesn’t give a crap about the climate.

  • bridgette12

    CindyM:
    01/17/2011 at 4:32 pm
    Well, they need to do something. Right now, that’s what’s working in Pop music and I don’t think Pink, Kelly Clarkson, Britney, Katy Perry, Avril are complaining too much. I doubt Sony/Jive/RCA are either.

    I know American Idol want the next winner to be a pop star and I agree that it would be to their advantage to produce a pop or hiphop artist. But what matters the most is producing a winner that can sell albums, whether that person is pop, country, hiphop, r&b or WGWG.

  • car

    Trina, you have to claim your victories where you can. lol

    Wow girlygirl the age was only 24. So that means no David Cook, Daughty, Bo. Are there any others who would not have had a chance. Seems like some of the successful ones would have been excluded. The show would have tanked a long time ago I guess without those guys.

  • MollyAnnMay

    Just to continue the thought: Older people have always used young people to make money. It happens in Hollywood, in advertising, in a bunch of fields. Idol itself is a sparkling example — the contestants who made it possible for the producers to rake in all those advertising dollars weren’t even paid scale in the beginning, were they? (I seem to remember reading that here.)

    It happens in popular music and has done since the days of Colonel Parker and Brian Epstein. It’s really, really rare that an artist can create their own music and push themselves — that’s one thing to definitely admire about Madonna and she did it as a woman, which is even more remarkable.

    I always dismissed Idol as a giant cheeseball of manipulation till I actually watched a season of it (S7, when it was re-run) and I was surprised at the amount of autonomy the participants were given to create that 90 second soundbite that sold them to the general public every week. That is very, very unusual in the music business and of course, it couldn’t go on.

    If the artist actually comes out of the process thinking they have something to say about their own music, that’s either going to result in them taking more and more control, which increases their cut (and decreases everyone else’s) (Cook, Allen) or in some very public battles (Bowersox).

    But now all that’s changed — they’ve increased the vulnerable end of the talent pool by lowering the age and hired an in-house producer “mentor” who will control things from the get-go. So what if the creativity that made Idol interesting will disappear? Everyone will make money! So who cares.

  • larc

    Trina:
    Something tells me Lee doesn’t give a crap about the climate.

    I wasn’t even thinking about Lee or Kris or football games. I’d just like to be in Hawaii right now. ;)

  • tripp_ncwy

    *chatter* *chatter* *chatter*

    That’s what I was getting at. I have been in Chicago in winter and I choose not to go back. I do like the summertime.

  • bridgette12

    CindyM:
    01/17/2011 at 4:35 pm
    The entertainment business is rough, being labeled a has-been at 18-19 years old can really be tough to handle for someone that young. Some make comebacks, but that’s the exception rather than the rule.

    I agree with you, the entertainment business can be very rough, especially for the really young. The problem with starting so young is the artist tends to stay in one place and his audience starts to grow up and move on. If these kids are lucky, they will have caring parents or managers that can help them make the leap into adulthood and give them the time to figure out who they are and what they want to do. Hopefully they can avoid the drugs, alcohol abuse, eating disorders and mental breakdowns, that seems to be a problem with young entertainers.

  • Ratna12

    But at least this gig isn’t a rumor. YAY!

    lizbiz8
    Kris will be singing the National Anthem at the Pro Bowl on Jan 30 on FOX – Hawaii here we come!
    2 minutes ago

    Oh, Kris is going to Hawaii ? yay !
    Great for you Kris to be able to mix business and pleasure.
    OK, Is that televised ? I don’t know a Pro Bowl from a Super Bowl.

  • Joyed

    Okay – I was so intrigued by the age thing I checked the idol site to see how many of each gender the producers put through each year that were 25-29 starting with S4 (when the age rule changed).

    These totals include all semi-finalists and then selected finalists ages 25-29.

    S4 semis = 2 G / 7 B = (9 of 24)
    S4 finals = 1 G / 4 B = (5 of 12)

    S5 semis = 4 G / 7 B = (11 of 24)
    S5 finals = 1 G / 5 B = (6 of 12)

    S6 semis = 3 G / 9 B = (12 of 24)
    S6 finals = 2 G / 4 B = (6 of 12)

    S7 semis = 2 G / 5 B = (7 of 24)
    S7 finals = 0 G / 2 B = (2 of 12)

    S8 semis = 4 G / 10 B = (14 of 36)
    S8 finals = 0 G / 3 B = (3 of 13)

    S9 semis = 0 G / 3 B = (3 of 24)
    S9 finals = 0 G / 2 B = (2 of 12)

    Basically, the producers put about 2-3 times as many “older” boys than girls into the voting rounds, and sometimes no girls 25 and older.

    (I should point out that seasons 6-9 also had several 23 & 24 yr olds, so it is not like the remainder of the girls were just 22 and under.)

  • CindyM

    But now all that’s changed — they’ve increased the vulnerable end of the talent pool by lowering the age and hired an in-house producer “mentor” who will control things from the get-go. So what if the creativity that made Idol interesting will disappear? Everyone will make money! So who cares.

    Where we differ is that I’m waiting to see what the season end up looking and sounding like before writing it off. There have always been people guiding artists, mostly from the record company side. There have always been artists that can collaborate with others and not lose themselves. It’s probably better that they realize that unless they are funding their music completely on their own, this mentoring exists in the real world or recording.

  • joelhss

    David Archuleta sang the National Anthem at the Pro Bowl in 2009, and it was televised.

  • sma11ie

    Wow girlygirl the age was only 24. So that means no David Cook, Daughty, Bo.

    Actually, David Cook was 24 when he auditioned, and the age restrictions were always based on the time of auditions, right? He would’ve been eligible under S1-3 rules. Also, Hollywood week in S7 happened before Christmas, so technically he was chosen to be in the semi’s while he was still 24 (and Archie was chosen while he was still 16- I remember Randy et al still talking about Archie being 16 during Hollywood week).

  • Ellessay

    Yeah. The biggest problem isn’t Anne Hathaway’s age. It’s that Kurt having a lesbian aunt makes hash of his being an isolated gay character. And of Burt having so many issues with Kurt’s orientation. It might work if she ran away from Lima as young person and wasn’t ever out to her family.

    I don’t particularly have a problem with the age difference. Plus Kurt having a lesbian aunt doesn’t necessarily mean anyone knew she was a lesbian. She could have even married and had children before coming to terms with it herself. Perhaps no one questioned that she hadn’t married yet because she was busy with her career. Perhaps Kurt gives her the courage to come out to her family. Lots of interesting ways this could be presented.

  • Incipit

    What Not To Sing – (see the sidebar) has some interesting editorials in an Idolmetrics Series they did in ’09. This is the one about contestant’s age, from 16 to 29, and how it relates to longevity on Idol – ”The Cold Hard Facts”

    Lots of Charts and Conclusions that may surprise – and a Caveat – “As we good folks at WNTS.com have been preaching forever: forget looks, personality, backstory or fanbase size. The single best defense a contestant has against getting sent home is to sing well, period.)”

    Numbernerds here will love the data they have gathered, I think. ;)

  • girlygirl

    Ratna12

    yes, the Pro Bowl is televised. Don’t know what network has it this year, though

  • kvwicks13

    girlygirl, Lee was born 4/2/86. He was 23 during most of the show and turned 24 in April.

  • tripp_ncwy

    yes, the Pro Bowl is televised. Don’t know what network has it this year, though

    It’s on Fox also.

    ETA:
    2011 Pro Bowl will take place Sunday, Jan. 30, 2011, at 7 p.m. ET at Aloha Stadium.

  • webster

    Given that, in general, boys reach puberty later than girls, I think it’s much harder to find young male singers that don’t look like children and/or sound like an adenoidal mess.

  • Ellessay

    In Hollywood, women age at 5 times the rate as men. Anne Hathaway is going to play an Aunt to Kurt when she is younger than the actor playing Kurt’s classmate, Corey Monteith (he was born in May, 1982 and she was born in Nov of 1982). This is like the Manchurian Candidate when Angela Landsbury at the age of 36 played the Mom of an actor 3 years her junior.

    I suppose it is possible that the character Anne is playing is much younger than Kurt’s Mom (it can’t be his Dad’s sister because then why is he figuring out how to relate to gay people…unless she just came out herself because, really, otherwise, he should know how to relate to gay people since he would presumable know his wife’s sister…perhaps she’s the gay SIL he has never in his life met because she was on some mission to Mars when he married his wife…this is so contrived. Granted, if she traveled to Mars at the speed of light, it would explain why she is so young compared to Mike O’Malley).

    There are a lot of ways to explain the age difference. My husband’s father was married three times. His half-brothers from his father’s first wife were each old enough to be his father. Their children were even older than my husband.

    We don’t always think of single women in terms of their sexuality. When we see two women together, we don’t automatically assume they are lesbians. With men it’s a little different.

  • J9BT

    girlygirl:
    01/17/2011 at 6:27 pm
    Ratna12

    yes, the Pro Bowl is televised. Don’t know what network has it this year, though

    I think it’s being televised on Fox this year. Last year it was televised on ESPN. Last year the game was moved to the weekend before the Super Bowl, as opposed to the weekend after in prior years, and the ratings were much improved over the year before, although still much lower than the NFC Championship game.

    ETA: Last year the Pro Bowl game had to compete directly against the Grammy’s which had the highest viewers since 2004 (almost 50 million).

  • cmom

    I think that Kris performing at the Probowl in Hawaii is great! It is a very cool event with often a huge sold out crowd. Here is Archie doing it 2 years ago. I especially like when he powers it up from 1:15 on and all the canons and jets flying overhead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZZctQbwXb0 (I have to say, though, that my favorite Archie national song event was him sining America the Beautiful at the US Open – the second half when he and the Broadway pianist Rick Hip-Flores power it up is just inspiring:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu_NlPiDnuQ

  • karenc

    MollyAnnMay
    But now all that’s changed — they’ve increased the vulnerable end of the talent pool by lowering the age and hired an in-house producer “mentor” who will control things from the get-go. So what if the creativity that made Idol interesting will disappear? Everyone will make money! So who cares.

    I think so too. I think that it isn’t really the age of the contestant but the amount of performance experience that is important in this show, especially if they are going to let you show who you are as an artist. The younger contestants that have done well had a lot of prior experience, as do the older contestants that do well. But still, this is an exception that a younger person would have that kind of experience, especially in the past few years when some contestants are really showing who they are as artists on the show. In most cases they don’t have as much experience and that’s why I think they are including the mentors this year, because most do not have that kind of experience. But I agree, I like contestants that show more creativity also.

  • girlygirl

    uh-oh…don’t tell my bosses that I didn’t know Fox was televising the Pro Bowl or I’ll be in BIG TROUBLE :D (Our company is part-owned by Fox and is contracted to work with Fox Sports)

  • tripp_ncwy

    There seem to be come Chicago fans/media/celeb? upset that Lee is performing the National Anthem at the NFC Championship game instead of Jim Cornelison.

    Chicago Bears NFC divisional playoff game
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgDyip44TZo

  • tripp_ncwy

    Looks like the Lee’s radio promo is starting up again.

    Y101Miggy Miggy Santos
    Y 101 Unplugged with American Idol Lee Dewyze ! Jan 27 ,2011 Details on where it will be coming soon !! It will be a FREE SHOW !!!

  • Ratna12

    girlygirl:
    01/17/2011 at 7:18 pm
    uh-oh…don’t tell my bosses that I didn’t know Fox was televising the Pro Bowl or I’ll be in BIG TROUBLE (Our company is part-owned by Fox and is contracted to work with Fox Sports)

    Well, now it is part of your work to research all about the Pro Bowl activities. :)

  • tigervixxxen

    As a huge football fan I can’t even express what it would mean to not only attend but be a part of the AFC/NFC Championship game for your team in your hometown. I’m thrilled for Lee not because of the exposure (though that is definitely a great perk) but because of the significance it certainly holds for him. And his brother is a big Packers fan makes it double fun. I was at the Broncos AFC Championship game in 2006 and it will forever be etched in my memory. So this isn’t just some random sports gig.

    Thanks for the info about the Y101 show…sounds great!

  • girlygirl

    AllisonIraheta
    Allright guys! I couldn’t wait till feb!! So this is one of the many changes there will be for this year;) http://yfrog.com/gymuerkj
    4 minutes ago

  • abbysee

    http://yfrog.com/gymuerkj

    Waaaa, where’s my red haired rocker?

  • Q3

    Ummm not loving Alli with raven hair. I like the red with violet and hot pink accents better.

  • sd34567

    Boo to Lee singing the National Anthem at the NFC Championship game. He’s going to jinx them. When he sang it at that Giants game, they lost spectacularly. Now, it’s going to happen to the Bears. Oh, great.

  • Mary102

    I have mixed feelings about Allison’s new hair. I LOVE the red so much, with the purple too – so unique and hot and rocker cool. But then again I also love variety and change, and she looks great with the dark hair too, so I like it as well :-)

  • Mary102

    All things being equal, I think youth is an advantage in pop.

    I hate to say this, but I think youth matters way more for women in pop than guys in pop. I don’t have a breakdown off hand, but in general it is not uncommon to have guys in their thirties in pop music, and have a lot of airplay, and no one would know or care. Women, otoh, are more likely to be in their young to mid 20′s at the latest, and any older women in pop tend to already have a longer history (like Beyonce, etc.)

  • Indigobunting

    He’s going to jinx them. When he sang it at that Giants game, they lost spectacularly. Now, it’s going to happen to the Bears. Oh, great.

    Go, Lee, Go! Sing your heart out!

    Oh, and Go Pack :lol:

  • sd34567

    He is. I truly think Lee is going to jinx them. Stay home! Get the Blackhawks guy to do it again. It worked.

  • Imkhemari

    ^^ Think the Blackhawks might like their NA singer back for their own game next Sunday …

    and if the Giants were jinxed then Lee was lucky for the other team .. just saying!

  • Yvonne13

    When Lee had lunch with Oprah’s staff, he said he preferred Chicago to LA. Chicago is “home” and in spite of the better weather in general in LA, Chicago is his place. As mentioned, he doesn’t care about the bad weather – the Bears are his team and he’s sticking with them. RE the Giants game, the Cowboys were ripe at the time for a win with a new coach and Romo-less offense. And I’ll leave the football comentary at that.

  • sd34567

    There seem to be come Chicago fans/media/celeb? upset that Lee is performing the National Anthem at the NFC Championship game instead of Jim Cornelison.

    Yes, because it was a great moment and it really hyped up the crowd and everybody else in that place. I don’t see Lee being able to do that. He’ll probably do it in some slow, droning way and really kill the crowd.

    Think the Blackhawks might like their NA singer back for their own game next Sunday …

    He did both the Bears and the Blackhawks game on Sunday. Unless the Blackhawks game is going on at the same time as the NFC Championship, he could’ve done it again.