Idol Headlines for 01/02/09

Couple of quick Kris tidbits: Kris is now over 5,000 spins per week WOOT!

And, rumors on Twitter of Kris in Jakarta on 2/15? They’re reporting the venue as well.

1/1

Quick Cut Data

POP: 2699 (+60)
HAC: 2313 (+73)
VH1: ?

NO no no to all the suggested replacements for Simon

If Babyface became a judge on AI, I would be thrilled. We would get a nice R&B influence.

That Idol Chatter article was harsh, but the Jim Croce comparison is a nice compliment, I loved/love his music.

Adam was mention as one to watch in a UK paper. Don’t know much about the paper though.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/playlist/view/115044/Ones-To-Watch-in-2010/

ONES TO WATCH IN 2010

ADAM LAMBERT

RUNNER-up in American Idol, imagine a male Lady GaGa, 23, with pop-rock tunes as immediate as any of her costumes and you’ll understand why the 27-year-old caused a furore at the American Music Awards by simulating oral sex with a male dancer.

The Poker Faced one penned Adam a tune for his debut album For Your Entertainment, out in April, as did Muse’s Matt Bellamy, 31, OneRepublic’s Ryan Tedder, 30 and producer to the best Max Martin, 38.

nooooooooooo ..without simon IMHO idol’s dead.if it’s not already dead without paula.

I really really really hope Taylor swift sells The most

out in April? huh?

Yeah Luv, FYE the album, doesn’t debut in England until April and March in Japan.

Part I of YouTube rip of Kris hosting the Rick Dees Top 40 countdown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvoATH47-_Q

Meanwhile, rumor of Kris appearing in Jakarta on February 15:

ErwiinDikha

#kris allen live in concert..tenis indoor senayan..15 feb 10 ..hahaha.gila gue!

Saw on ontd_ai they are saying this rumor is NOT true

I’d be thrilled to see Quincy or Babyface replace Simon. But Piers or Diddy? That would be the end of me watching Idol – absolutely!

Mediabase Update

POP:
27 26 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 2302 2216 86 12.633
+42 Spins
+32 Bullet
-0.043 AI

HAC:
12 12 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 2092 1843 249 10.552
+58 Spins
+97 Bullet
+0.500 AI

Nice jump in spins and bullet for Kris

POP:
34 34 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1491 1355 136 10.768
-25 Spins
-40 Bullet
-0.026 AI

HAC:
45 43 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 266 239 27 1.348
+18 Spins
+35 Bullet
+0.154 AI

I’m assuming the Pop dropoff for Adam is just because of year-end countdown stuff. Good update for him on Hot AC

iTunes update:

#28 LLWD (album version is at #890)
#80 WWFM
#196 FYE
#994 MBD

#102/#926 Kris Allen
#117/#178 FYE
#447/#545 Just Like You

Full length remixes of FYE, apparently released to DJ’s last week.

http://mosuniverse.com/blogs/taj/2009/12/remix-treatment-adam-lambert-for-your-entertainment-remixes/

LLWD #8 on the VH1 top 20 countdown this morning…the first countdown of 2010.

The Press Democrat*Idol Chatter* article was a little harsh but I have to agree with many things it said. I LOVE Kris’s personality he projects and he comes off as such a nice, humble guy…..I just keep listening to his music and I cannot get into it. When I heard of him singing in Vegas I thought it was a bit odd……I am not too sure of his niche. He seemed to not fit the New Year’s Eve venue either….he seems like a coffee house…intimate setting….kind of singer. I just am not too sure where he will fit eventually….but I do hope for him a great hit that translates to many.
I love Allison….think her talent is all she needs to get attention. I have no idea why she hasn’t taken off in the album department because she seems to have mass appeal with her genre. I think of all the idols she will have great success but maybe not right now……….her timing might be off because she is so young. I hated her hair….what a distraction this past week! She doesn’t need to shock us…..her voice does it for me every time!

FYE remixes

the best one in my opinion is the Brad Walsh one

http://mosuniverse.com/blogs/taj/2009/12/remix-treatment-adam-lambert-for-your-entertainment-remixes/

Adam Lambert ‘“ For Your Entertainment (Dj Escape & Johnny Vicious Pop Remix):

I like this one too, but it’s a bit slow. Brad Walsh’s is good.

Danny’s song is now #47 on the 7 day Rolling chart. I am glad to see that his song is now on the Rolling chart and I hope that he will still be in the top 50 once the published chart comes out. Also he is predicted to be ranked #51 on the Billboard Country chart next week (2 spots up from last week). I hope that Danny continues to work his way up the charts.

I don’t know when his video will premiere on GAC and CMT, I hope no later than the next couple of weeks.

thanks Bridgette.that really sucks..

Danny’s song is now #47 on the 7 day Rolling chart. I am glad to see that his song is now on the Rolling chart and I hope that he will still be in the top 50 once the published chart comes out. Also he is predicted to be ranked #51 on the Billboard Country chart next week (2 spots up from last week). I hope that Danny continues to work his way up the charts.

Good for Danny. I wonder what that free concert would be like if Danny was added?

Hey Pixie-I anjoy hearing your take:)

I don’t know much or fallow radio play or numbers so I will write about numbers I do fallow:
Capital One Bowl -
Penn State 19-LSU 17–Way to go Joe!!!

Rose Bowl
Ohio State-26 Organ -17

Iowa state beat the UofM gophers..sidenote fumbling on the 20 yard line not good..

Kris is getting a bump this morning on iTunes. LLWD went from #28 to #26 in the past hour, and the album shows a little movement upward as well to #99 now. VH1 countdown, probably. NYE and Conan last night could have contributed as well or maybe co-hosting the Rick Dees countdown this weekend, too. Will be interesting to watch.

The Forenzelli remix is cool too. I think Brad Walsh is my no 1 fav with Forenzelli as 2nd.

Good for Danny. I wonder what that free concert would be like if Danny was added?

I think it’s too bad Danny wasn’t included. Seems to me it would cut down on a lot of the Kris/Adam fanwars to have a Top 4 concert instead of Kradison, and I thought Danny was great live when I saw him on tour.

YouTube link for brad walsh and fonzarelli fye remixes

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/results?client=mv-google&q=brad%20walsh%20for%20your%20entertainment%20remix&aq=f&oq=

it’s the first 3 results….

(it’s the mobile YouTube)…..

me too saga

Woke up to this tweet from the evening (7-midnight) DJ from my local HAC station:

After 2 months of fighting it… I’m finally on board. @KrisAllen ‘s “Live Like We’re Dying” is a good jam.

Hopefully this means an add is close by…

RE the Jakarta rumor – I just don’t see how it can be true for Feb. 15. The Kradison concert is on Feb 13 and travel to that part of the world takes 25ish hours (w/layovers) and a 12 hour time difference. If Kris left NYC first thing on Feb 14th, it would be like mid-day on Feb 15 in Jakarta when he arrived.. w/killer jetlag. If they are gonna do a concert in Indonesia, it makes much more sense to take it on to the Philippines trip earlier in the month (if that rumor turns out to be confirmed).

ohhh yah the kradison concert is 3 days after my birthday:) I forget about it.is anyone here going?

Not feelin’ any of the FYE remixes. Like the hardcore original!

the original is my favorite too,but I like the remixes

I’m really excited about the glee thing..

Every song in the HAC top 20 had a bullet.. kinda makes it hard to really gain ground if nothing is dropping…. Oh well, guess LLWD has to out-increase them.

Will be even more interesting after this weekend when all of the ‘best of the year/decade’ playlists are replaced w/ the stations’ normal ones.

luv, what glee thing?

bridgette12
01/02/2010 at 11:42 am
luv, what glee thing?

the article above..original songwriting episode ..:)

As an Adam fan, I’m kinda glad FYE is not on the countdown this week. It seems weird to have a song on the countdown for a single that isn’t even charting. I do see you can’t even vote for it so maybe they did an “out with the old and in with the new” type of thing. Wonder when they will release the WWFM video. I’m hoping by mid-January.

I do think the decrease in POP is because of year-end countdowns. I think it will be doing really well by end of January.

Glad to see Kris doing well. His single should sell really well again when next weeks sales come out.

The Madonna Tribe News team has just heard some fantastic news about the upcoming all-Madonna episode on GLEE.

The songs that will be featured on the show include:

click the link to see the list of songs

http://www.madonnatribe.com

That’s good news for Danny. Do we know when his music video will be out?

Glad to see Kris at #8 on the VH1 countdown. That’s up a couple of spots from where it was the last time. Was FYE on the countdown anywhere? The VH1 countdown show airs too early out here on the West Coast for me to watch it, and I always forget to record it.

The Madonna Tribe News team has just heard some fantastic news about the upcoming all-Madonna episode on GLEE.

Based on the hints that Ausilleo gave over on EW, it looks like Sue (Jane Lynch) will be singing “Vogue”.

Can’t wait to hear the original songs too. Well, maybe not Diane Warren’s two songs and I suppose we’ve already heard the melody/hook for Ryan’s song, but I’m still excited.

Girlygirl: I think it airs at 9am on the West Coast – so coming up soon. I am hearing Daughtry was #5 and Carrie #6, but no word on Kelly. I think I remember Kris being #13 before the freeze. Apparently no FYE on the countdown. I also noticed on the website Rihanna’s RR is now replaced by her new MV.

I’m excited about the Madonna episode on Glee, too! Should be epic. What did Diane Warren write again? I think I remember Paula rambling on about her on one Idol show, and Simon dissing her …. not sure.

The VH1 countdown list is here:

http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/top_20_countdown/

ETA….OH I forgot…Adam is on Fuse’s On the Record show on Jan 11th. Maybe he will debut WWFM then!!

Was FYE on the countdown anywhere?

I don’t think you could even vote for it. Maybe it came out too late in the year for the countdown chart.

To listen to the full Rick Dees Top 40 countdown online go to http://www.rick.com/show/hit-radio-01-02-2010

The Biggest #1s Of The Past 4 Years!
Rick kicks off 2010 with nothing but #1 hits – the Biggest #1s Of The Past 4 Years – with very special guest co-host Kris Allen!

I agree with most of the list and am enjoying listening to it. But even as a firm Kris Allen fan, I’m quite surprised to see ‘No Boundaries’ at #14. ‘Live Like We’re Dying’ is #7.

ETA – I’ve done my penance for the year for sitting through Miley Cyrus’ ‘Party In the USA’
Daughtry is represented at #5 with ‘Home’, #19 ‘No Surprise’, and #35 ‘It’s Not Over’. Jordan Sparks is #35 with ‘No Air’

Kris sounds uncomfortable reading from the script (no, not the band) at first, but loosens up later on.

As lorismile said, the FYE isn’t even available to vote for next week. So it seems that it was pulled off the list. I never got around to trying to vote til yesterday, and by then the voting was closed… so I never noticed – was FYE in the voting list this past week?

Thanks lorismile – they’ve updated the website in the last hour. When I checked, they had the old chart posted. But no Kelly? Boo! I guess they’ve purged a few out.

was FYE in the voting list this past week?

Yes, I noticed it, along with Kelly, last night when I tried to vote. The lists have all changed this morning.

was FYE in the voting list this past week?

I don’t know as I didn’t do any voting, although I didn’t before either so. Peeps on AO are saying they voted for it. I don’t think it’s a big deal. It would be a bigger deal if the FYE single was charting, IMO.

Eileen99

The VH1 countdown airs at 6 a.m. here on West Coast — not at 9. And I’m still asleep at 6 (usually)!

FYE was on the last VH1 countdown show prior to the holiday freeze. I think it was at #16

Eileen99

The VH1 countdown airs at 6 a.m. here on West Coast ‘” not at 9. And I’m still asleep at 6 (usually)!

I’m watching it right now – it just started….. and now my ears are bleeding listening to that godawful Train song.

Eileen99

well maybe I have the East Coast feed of VH1 (I have Directtv) — because they are showing “I Want to Work for Diddy” on my tv right now

I’ve already watched the countdown show (I’m Central time here). I know Carrie was at #6 and Kris was #8. I don’t recall seeing FYE. Sorry.

So apparently Adam is winning the Phenom of 2009 pole on People’s Choice Award website, over Gaga and SuBo…all three of which are nominated for Breakout Artist. I wonder if this is a sign…

http://www.peopleschoice.com/pca/

iTunes:
WWFM #69 http://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/songs/
FYE the album #98 http://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/albums/
FYE MV #24 http://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/music-videos/

Amazon:
FYE the album #23 http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/music/ref=sv_m_3

voting for what ?

I suppose we’ve already heard the melody/hook for Ryan’s song

LOL

Nigel dated Priscilla Presley? Hm, okay. Interesting.

Kris has won over another convert. This guy is a DJ in Cleveland…

RobKruz

#After 2 months of fighting it… I’m finally on board. @KrisAllen ‘s “Live Like We’re Dying” is a good jam. about 2 hours ago from TweetDeck

Yeah Luv, FYE the album, doesn’t debut in England until April and March in Japan.

It’s been for sale in the UK on iTunes and Amazon since November and is in all the record stores too. Whoever wrote that article didn’t try very hard to find it!

FYE on iTunes in the UK

FYE on Amazon.co.uk

girlygirl I just learned yesterday that the first broadcast of the top 20 countdown every week is at 3AM eastern on Saturdays.. so midnight for you….

Don’t forget Fox Reality Channel is showing more repeats of Season 8 tonight. Today is all about Hollywood week! (starts at 8 p.m. Eastern)

Archie gets a nice little blurb in a sports article…

Sun Bowl Analysis

You know a bowl game has star power when former American Idol runner-up David Archuleta is snagged to perform at halftime.

http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/18317/sun-bowl-oklahoma-vs-stanford

kt_cle

Thanks! So they changed the times? I saw that it repeats at 5 a.m. Sunday my time. Midnight Friday works much better for me!

So apparently Adam is winning the Phenom of 2009 pole on People’s Choice Award website, over Gaga and SuBo’ ¦all three of which are nominated for Breakout Artist. I wonder if this is a sign’ ¦

http://www.peopleschoice.com/pca/

I just logged into that people’s choice awards page. They have tons of polls. I wonder who votes for them? I didn’t even know they were out there. Whoever votes there loves them some Kelly and Adam

So far, who is the best American Idol?

Kelly Clarkson 50%
Carrie Underwood 37%
David Cook 8%
Jordin Sparks 5%

Who deserves to be the successor of Mariah Carey?

Kelly Clarkson 57%
Leona Lewis 25%
Jordin Sparks 18%

Who should have made it as American Idol?

Adam Lambert 67%
Chris Daughtry 19%
Katharine McPhee 8%
Kellie Pickler 6%

nyc:

Your charts are old – here’s the live feed link:

http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=9487200/limit=0000/rss.xml

And holy shit, LLWD moved up again to #24.

#kris allen live in concert..tenis indoor senayan..15 feb 10 ..hahaha.gila gue!

isn’t Ryan Rock my Town on the 14? If this date is correct for RRMT, then Kris couldn;t be in this part of the world on the 15, as we are 12 hrs ahead of you guys and it probably takes him 15 hrs to reach this side by plane?

BootStar
01/02/2010 at 12:36 pm
Yeah Luv, FYE the album, doesn’t debut in England until April and March in Japan.

It’s been for sale on iTunes and Amazon since November and is in all the record stores too. Whoever wrote that article didn’t try very hard to find it!

There will be a specific UK and Japanese version of FYE that will be launched at a later date. Those cds available now in stores are the US import ones.

iTunes:
WWFM #69 http://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/songs/
FYE the album #98 http://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/albums/
FYE MV #24 http://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/music-videos/

Wow – so WWFM and the album have gotten some kind of bump in just a day. Yesterday someone posted that WWFM was #80 on the iTunes chart and #124 (& 176) for the FYE album. Pretty cool! Hope this is the beginning of an upward trend!

lazycOw

That rumor has already been shot down on ontd_ai by people who live in Jakarta. It didn’t make sense because of the really tight turnaround from the Kradison concert, so it’s no surprise that it as a false rumor.

RE the PCA’s – I still haven’t heard of Adam going to it – a blurb in EW advertising the event had a list of attendees (not a complete list, they clarify), and no Adam (or Gaga, or SuBo – lol). So not sure if he won his category, or is/isn’t planning on going…

So apparently Adam is winning the Phenom of 2009 pole on People’s Choice Award website, over Gaga and SuBo’ ¦all three of which are nominated for Breakout Artist. I wonder if this is a sign’ ¦

Yeah, it’s a sign that Adam’s fans spend more time voting online than Gaga’s or SuBo’s! Not exactly a big revelation there. I wonder why that Bieber kid isn’t listed on there.

There will be a specific UK and Japanese version of FYE that will be launched at a later date. Those cds available now in stores are the US import ones.

Oh, okay. I guess the Brits don’t understand US English and need a special British translation.

was FYE in the voting list this past week?

Yes – I voted Good point about FYE not mattering as much with WWFM coming out soon (I predict Jan 11 on the Fuse show). But damn, I LOVE the FYE music vid I need to keep seeing that on tv!

Teri63

Those numbers are old. Here are the numbers off the live feed:

#79 WWFM
#185 FYE (single)

(LLWD is at #24; MBD (Danny) is at #960)

#108/#174 FYE (album)

(Kris Allen is at #92 & Just Like You is at #474/#553)

Oh, okay. I guess the Brits don’t understand US English and need a special British translation.

UK and Japanese version of FYE will have different bonus track(s) supposedly.

There sure were a lot of press at the Gridlock. Is that usual for a NYE show? Since the Gridlock was sold out, and the “cheap” tickets were $150, they must have raked in over $2million. I hope a good portion of the proceeds went to the Red Cross.

BTW, with just Adam and the band, and a very short time to rehearse his 11-song set, his performance was epic. Incredible musicians, and of course, Adam is an amazing singer and performer. He banters with the audience so comfortably, even when he flubs up (introduced the wrong song). So many better videos are now showing up.

Gah, SuBo is beating Lady GaGa in that Phenom of 2009 poll. But I guess, based on where she came from, she is the one person who’s career really rocketed in 2009.

http://www.peopleschoice.com/pca/polls/poll.jsp?pollId=43800196

BootStar
01/02/2010 at 12:48 pm
There will be a specific UK and Japanese version of FYE that will be launched at a later date. Those cds available now in stores are the US import ones.

Oh, okay. I guess the Brits don’t understand US English and need a special British translation.

Imported cds are expensive. I’ve heard that it’s quite a common practice to have a specific UK album available. Maybe the British posters can comment on this?

Oh, okay. I guess the Brits don’t understand US English and need a special British translation.

UK and Japanese version of FYE will have different bonus track(s) supposedly

Voooodooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Me wants!

I have noticed that LLWD has moved up on the ITunes chart every Saturday since the music video has been on VH1′s countdown. Could be a coincidence, but maybe having a video on that show actually does help with sales

Imported cds are expensive. I’ve heard that it’s quite a common practice to have a specific UK album available. Maybe the British posters can comment on this?

You can still buy it for £7.99 on iTunes or £8.99 on Amazon, just like pretty much every other album for sale. Here it is for sale at CD Wow.

I have noticed that LLWD has moved up on the ITunes chart every Saturday since the music video has been on VH1′s countdown. Could be a coincidence, but maybe having a video on that show actually does help with sales

Hey, there’s gotta be some reason mv’s keep getting made It’s a bit of a dying art, certainly, but mv’s are a visual way of selling the song to people, beyond just hearing it on the radio. And some of them can be very expensive, so I imagine they have a positive impact on song/album sales (most of the time) or else they wouldn’t be made anymore.

Imported cds are expensive. I’ve heard that it’s quite a common practice to have a specific UK album available. Maybe the British posters can comment on this?

Where I live US imported CD are expensive in CD stores. I never shop with Amazon so I have no clue of the price there.

And itunes and Amazon have a VERY small market I think. People either buy the physical CD or download it illegally.

Hey, there’s gotta be some reason mv’s keep getting made It’s a bit of a dying art, certainly, but mv’s are a visual way of selling the song to people, beyond just hearing it on the radio. And some of them can be very expensive, so I imagine they have a positive impact on song/album sales (most of the time) or else they wouldn’t be made anymore.

I don’t really understand why MTV stopped showing music videos. No one wanted to watch them? I watched MTV for all new stuff when I was a kid.

Oh, okay. I guess the Brits don’t understand US English and need a special British translation.

It probably seems a bit silly but very few “originals” transport between Great Britain and the US. Cost of shipping is very high so most books, and CDs and movies are actually “different” between the US and GB. It makes more economic sense to have each country manufacture, warehouse, distribute, and market their own merchandise.

Once the British version of an album is slated for release by an American singer there is usually a release/press tour for it. And the opposite happens in the States for a British Artist.

If their is a demand, sometimes an original is offered for sale on either side of the Atlantic…but that is more unusual than specific. But then an Englishman would be better at detailing that.

I’ve had fun, over the years, collecting books that were printed in both the US and GB and it is fun to discover that there are often differences in the two.

Where I live US imported CD are expensive in CD stores. I never shop with Amazon so I have no clue of the price there.

As Tom Friedman keeps reminding us, the world is flat. I don’t know where you live, saga, but Adam’s album (the US version apparently) is widely available for sale in the UK at the same price as the average UK release.

It probably seems a bit silly but very few ‘originals’  transport between Great Britain and the US. Cost of shipping is very high so most books, and CDs and movies are actually ‘different’  between the US and GB. It makes more economic sense to have each country manufacture, warehouse, distribute, and market their own merchandise.

The point is, it is for sale in the UK right now at a competitive price. If somebody wants it, he can buy it. Easily. Or she can wait for the UK version. But nobody has to wait until April. That’s what the original question was about.

I don’t really understand why MTV stopped showing music videos. No one wanted to watch them? I watched MTV for all new stuff when I was a kid.

Well, I think MTV and VH1 jumped on the “cheap reality programming” bandwagon that the networks did. They probably make a lot more money off of that. MVs are nowhere near as prominent as they used to be as a result. They are beneficial, but I think record labels are much more careful about where and when they make an MV (as in, will they actually make money off of the deal by using the mv to sell more singles/albums).

I voted for FYE last night between 8pm and 9pm. Voting ends at 9pm
Just went to VH1 site….it’s off the voting list.

girlygirl
01/02/2010 at 12:45 pm
lazycOw

That rumor has already been shot down on ontd_ai by people who live in Jakarta. It didn’t make sense because of the really tight turnaround from the Kradison concert, so it’s no surprise that it as a false rumor.

That’s good.

Girlygirl, are u a member of ONTD_AI? I was trying to join but thot it was pretty complicated.

Edit: Sorry. Not sure if its okay to post questions about other forum here.

I don’t think any of those listed for replacing Simon will be actual choices unless they plan on getting rid of Randy too.

I also found Allison’s hair distracting and her performance was not strong.

lazycOw

yeah I am. Membership was closed for awhile, but I think they have opened it up to new members again. It looks like they have changed the membership process.

Part 4 and 5 of Cook’s ainow interview are up.

http://bit.ly/8WzIb0

thedavidcook: Breakfast with fam before they head home. Then it’s write, write, write!
26 minutes ago from mobile web

Not sure where this should go, so I’ll put it here…the “jibjab” site end of year recap (and totally LOL) includes a quick shot of Adam’s CD cover…link here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKYe1KiwywE

Thanks seriously for the last 2 parts of the AINow interview. Loved the lightning round.

IDF posted dl links for the remixes: http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopi….23entry21905867

The show Kris co-hosted is sure an eye-opener. Eminem had the best-selling album of the entire decade?? Nickleback had the best-selling single of the decade??? Yikes. Just goes to show quality and popularity are not at all the same things, that the top records don’t need good voices (I mean, Eminem?) and there is no accounting for taste.

If SuBo can end up with 32 million records sold, it would be pretty funny for her to be battling Eminem for top seller of the 21st century. Such a pair, those two.

Everyone go help out @GRO get to number one on vh1 top 20 countdown! go. Go! GOOOO!!!

from Cookie’s twitter page…..

This sounds yummy! This must have been where he had breakfast.

thedavidcook: # To @thegriddlecafe: the red velvet pancake situation… Nice!
3 minutes ago from mobile web

smartcookie
01/02/2010 at 2:28 pm
The show Kris co-hosted is sure an eye-opener. Eminem had the best-selling album of the entire decade?? Nickleback had the best-selling single of the decade??? Yikes. Just goes to show quality and popularity are not at all the same things, that the top records don’t need good voices (I mean, Eminem?) and there is no accounting for taste.

If SuBo can end up with 32 million records sold, it would be pretty funny for her to be battling Eminem for top seller of the 21st century. Such a pair, those two.

The show was interesting to listen to. I also noticed that the list has ‘No Boundaries’ … but it should be his ‘Heartless’. That makes a ton more sense.

I think Diddy would actually be a great choice to replace Simon. It would bring a younger demographic to AI. Also, having seen Diddy on Making the Band he can give great insight, and can be the perfect combination of cutting and aloof that Simon brings without feeling like a Simon clone.

That Nigel piece was a lot of fun! He can be infuriating, he can be clever and engaging, he can be a ham, but he’s pretty entertaining!

“Since I’ve been in the US, I’ve lost the back of my heart, 15ft of intestine and my marriage,” he says. “And, you’ve guessed it, the line is that I really miss my intestine!”

And ouch, Pauler!

Nigel laughs at how he watched Cowell set up fellow judges, particularly Paula Abdul.

He says: “Simon would slip Paula lines to say which made no sense and she would do them, silly b***er. He would tell her things like, ‘There’s an old English expression that the cornflake is attracted to the melon’. She then quoted it, he would deny everything and leave her with egg all over her face.”

We kind of knew this happened, and she got millions while playing up her ditziness. Still

Danny’s single My Best Days was introduced today on the nationally syndicated Crook & Chase country countdown radio show (as a bonus song, not part of the countdown). The co-hosts out of Nashville gave it a nice lead-up, played the single just before the end of the countdown, and had positive comments afterward (crookandchase.com has more on this show and a list of affiliates who carry it, though there are others as my station isn’t on their list at all.)

Danny’s song is now #47 on the 7 day Rolling chart. I am glad to see that his song is now on the Rolling chart and I hope that he will still be in the top 50 once the published chart comes out. Also he is predicted to be ranked #51 on the Billboard Country chart next week (2 spots up from last week). I hope that Danny continues to work his way up the charts.
I don’t know when his video will premiere on GAC and CMT, I hope no later than the next couple of weeks.

This seems like good news that Danny is gradually moving up the charts, even without much major promo yet. I’d also love to see his music video going on GAC and CMT this month.

I appreciate that country still does have actual music videos on television. Saw the earlier mention about MTV and VH1, and have to say, when that shift occurred and they took most of their videos down in favor of (often-skanky) reality programs I went toward the country music channels and have pretty much stayed there since for music programming on tv.

my main reason for not wanting Simon replaced Is really stupid.I flive his British accent lol

Not a fan of Diddy.

that was already posted kradamour ((but thanks for posting it,I needed a laugh)

Oh, okay. I guess the Brits don’t understand US English and need a special British translation.

UK and Japanese version of FYE will have different bonus track(s) supposedly

OMFA.

I think weekends are usually good for Kris. LLWD is up again to
#23 and #841 (single and album version) on the overall chart.

I voted for FYE last night between 8pm and 9pm. Voting ends at 9pm
Just went to VH1 site’ ¦.it’s off the voting list.

I could be mis-remembering this, but I seem to recall that an artist can only have one song on the VH1 countdown at a time. Perhaps it was pulled because they are about to release the video for WWFM and they wanted it to be eligible? Just an idea.

I could be mis-remembering this, but I seem to recall that an artist can only have one song on the VH1 countdown at a time.

This would make sense and appear to be what happened with Rihanna – her RR video did pretty well on the countdown, but it’s been pulled and her new MV is up for voting now.

Kirsten
01/02/2010 at 3:40 pm

I voted for FYE last night between 8pm and 9pm. Voting ends at 9pm
Just went to VH1 site’ ¦.it’s off the voting list.

I could be mis-remembering this, but I seem to recall that an artist can only have one song on the VH1 countdown at a time. Perhaps it was pulled because they are about to release the video for WWFM and they wanted it to be eligible? Just an idea.

Sounds like a viable explanation. FYE video is still up on fresh new Music and ranked #1. (you can see it on the right hand side of the link below where they list the top 20 video there is another button for fresh new music.) Adam on VH1 top 5 searches. So this was done for a reason and I think Kirsten is as good an explanation as any.

http://www.vh1.com/music/

well that makes sense if an artist can only have one music video eligible for the VH1 Countdown at one time. I’m assuming the WWFM will be released in the next week or so. I’m thinking the WWFM video will make a quick appearance on the countdown once it’s eligible.

it will be interesting to see how long LLWD stays on that countdown. It moved up several spots for this weekend’s ranking (from #13 to #8), so could hang in there for several more weeks, especially given how the single is selling well.

(good news for Kris: LLWD is up to #23 on iTunes, while his album is at #87 and the deluxe version has re-emerged on the chart at #972)

Diddy wld totally make a good judge. His facial expressions on his shows making the band & I want to work for diddy are hilarous. he can bring that to AI and he can make contestants sweat without being outright mean.

i don’t know abt not having 2 MV’s on the countdown cos 1. wwfm mv is not even out yet , not to talk of making the countdown. so why remove FYE now. what’s the rush.
2. Alicia keys was no 16 &15. though no 16 was with jay z but still it’s a single on her album. so she appeared twice.

VH1 plays games with the videos its shows. I think unless a song has broken into the Top 40 on Pop or HAC they won’t play it. I think once the WWFM video is ready , Adam’s power voters can easily get it on the countdown. They should be done voting for him for the People’s Choice award by then.

Kris’ video is so good it’s def helping the song. I think it could even win some awards because it’s excellent.

Diddy would be a horrible judge for Idol. I think they’ll go with that British guy who already judges on AGT. He’s British and mean. That will suit the bill I think. And congrats to Danny for breaking into the Top 50 on country. I have no idea how country charts work but I think the goal for all songs is breaking into the top 40 of their genre. So he’s on his way hopefully.

dhunken….went to VH1 fresh new music but again when I went to play the video it said “error unable to load” something like that.

So maybe Kirsten is correct about the 2 videos at once thing. It still sucks.

luvadamlambert
01/02/2010 at 3:25 pm

that was already posted kradamour

Thanks, luv…not sure how I missed a post…clearly, I am not paying enough attention to all things Adam…need to banish RL stat…

Not sure if it’s a bump from Gridlock but WWFM has moved from #81 to #76 today. I can’t get my live feed to work, but Itunes has updated since this morning when I last checked.

Maybe Nigel can replace Simon on the panel. Sounds like he’s dying to have his opinion count.

Here’s a link to an FYE album review from the perspective of a hard rock-loving chick:

http://www.rockmaiden.com/

Diddy would be a horrible judge for Idol. I think they’ll go with that British guy who already judges on AGT. He’s British and mean. That will suit the bill I think

Why? What about Diddy do people think would be bad? Piers Morgan would be a stupid choice though. He isn’t as charming or witty as Simon, and it would appear like the obvious downgrade it would be. A good replacement would have charisma and the ability to be harsh, but different from Simon in persona.

Piers has no musical background though. He’s a news guy who went into TV. I like Diddy’s shows but he really only knows one genre of music and has done a horrible job breaking legit artists. He hasn’t found anyone good in years.

VH1 plays games with the videos its shows. I think unless a song has broken into the Top 40 on Pop or HAC they won’t play it.

For the last 1 1/2 -2 weeks prior to holiday i had been seeing FYE played several times each morning on VH1s morning show (they play videos M-F from 6 am-10am or something like that)…so they had been playing the heck out of it….surprised that it had been removed from top 20 countdown so quick….either people did not know you could vote this week (I didn’t — thought it didn’t pick up again until next week), or it was pulle by RCA/19 to make way for WWFM..who knows…just weird since it was getting a lot of play

I didn’t realize VH1 was playing FYE. I think they’re just clearing the decks for WWFM. I’m sure they’ll add that as soon as it becomes available.

I have to ditto the thanks to seriously for the link to Cook’s AINow interview.

I haven’t read this entire thread yet, so maybe someone’s already mentioned him, but the Aussie dude that was a judge on The Next Great American Band would be a great replacement for Simon. Unfortunately, I can’t remember his name! I’m sure someone who watched the show can remember!?

UK and Japanese version of FYE will have different bonus track(s) supposedly

OMFA.

LOL. OMFA is right Cannot wait for any bonus tracks overseas! More new music! (Because I just can’t get enough!)

Re the FYE mv, yes, they have shown it pretty frequently on VH1, MTV, and Fuse. MTV showed it recently during their countdown of the top men and women of the year, since Adam was #3 on the list. I’ve also seen LLWD and FYE shown back to back (ahh, when will the idol comparisons end )

Has this been posted yet?
Wow! Front page of the LA Times Calendar section. Yes, I’d say this gig got him a little pubicity! :p

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Jersey-Ian Dickson of Austria Idol

O by the way. When you think your “supersekrit” thread is secret? Sometimes it isn’t. I just want to know, in what universe, something like this is allowed to stand:

I think that MJ should see if she can get reciprocal links with David Duke’s organization. Fans of both would appreciate the convenience of linking to like-minded sites.

And peeps who frequent the website that lovely post came from bitch loudly about the “ugly and negative” comments that are allowed to stand on my blog.

Can you say Hyp-0-Crit? I knew you could.

I would think, that at the very least, some peeps would appreciate the fact that I brought them together and then agree to disagree and just move on. But that’s not the way things go down in tard-land.

I participated and even administrated a fan forum for awhile, so I know all about the behavior–the hive mentality, the paranoia, the “us vs them” mentality”, the posters egging each other on, the behavior in a group that would never occur in a singular situation.

Some of you, a year or so from now, will wake up like in the Talking Heads song and ask yourself “How did I get here?” I know I did. So, I have a tiny bit of sympathy for y’all.

But, only a tiny bit.

mj
01/02/2010 at 5:39 pm
O by the way. When you think your ‘supersekrit’  thread is secret? Sometimes it isn’t. I just want to know, in what universe, something like this is allowed to stand:

I am totally confused. Did I miss some comments that were deleted? I hate when that happens and I’m lost.

I am totally confused. Did I miss some comments that were deleted? I hate when that happens and I’m lost.

It was posted on another forum, not here. And I wouldn’t bring it up–fans posting nasty things about me on the internet is nothing new–except that the remark was so over the top and ugly.

I think that MJ should see if she can get reciprocal links with David Duke’s organization. Fans of both would appreciate the convenience of linking to like-minded sites

Hate to sound ignorant but what is David Duke’s claim to fame?

mj
01/02/2010 at 6:03 pm
I am totally confused. Did I miss some comments that were deleted? I hate when that happens and I’m lost.

It was posted on another forum, not here. And I wouldn’t bring it up’“fans posting nasty things about me on the internet is nothing new’“except that the remark was so over the top and nasty.

MJ, I know it must be hard, but please try to ignore this stupidity that has obviously been posted by children masquerading as adults.

I think you run a very fair and open blog. I truly appreciate all you do for fans of all idol contestants, along with those of SYTYCD and Glee.

I understand it when folks have differences of opinions, but to link you to someone with such a disgusting outlook is beyond excuse.

Keep doing the great job for which you are so well known and let these vermin scurry around in the obscurity of their anonymous posts.

Hate to sound ignorant but what is David Duke’s claim to fame?

He’s a white supremacist–a former grand wizard of the ku klux Klan who ran for office, and won.

Oops, MJ beat me to it. The guy doesn’t deserve another post.

Thankyou for filling me in. That is nasty

Wow, MJ, that is horrible. I can make a guess where that came from, and you shouldn’t let people that obsessed with playing the victim card get you down. You do such a great job with this site, and some people just can’t stand that this site is about all the idols, not some altar to their idol diety of choice. That kind of anger and resentment only comes from pure delusion, so don’t let the crazies bother you.

MJ…I’m glad you called out such an ugly comment. But, I think if the poster had no problem putting a name to that vile when they wrote it…the poster should be called out as well. IMO..put a name on hate talk…they should own it.

ETA..anonymity is why “white hoods” were used.

Has this been posted yet?
Wow! Front page of the LA Times Calendar section. Yes, I’d say this gig got him a little pubicity! :p

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PattyH – thank you for posting that! I had no idea that was actually in the paper. That’s my group in the bottom right corner! My head is sort of cut-off but my daughter and her boyfriend behind me are kissing right there – we all had a blast – and I should try to get a paper somehow for them to have as a souvenir!

ps – I think you meant PUBLICITY (not PUBICITY) right ?

ps ‘“ I think you meant PUBLICITY (not PUBICITY) right?

paging Dr. Freud…..

But, I think if the poster had no problem putting a name to that vile when they wrote it’ ¦the poster should be called out as well.

I think I know who the poster is–that rare, unmistakable style of nasty is hard to miss–but I’ll keep quiet, cuz I don’t know for sure.

mj- congrats for calling out that post. It’s astounding how some people just have no clue in life, none. Wow!

ps ‘“ I think you meant PUBLICITY (not PUBICITY) right

Now that is hysterical! What was I thinking!

It was posted on another forum, not here. And I wouldn’t bring it up’“fans posting nasty things about me on the internet is nothing new’“except that the remark was so over the top and nasty.

mj:

Thanks for filling me in. I was thinking I must have missed one helluva nasty afternoon.
Sadly, I bet this person is actually taking great delight in the fact that you quoted them and the fact that it bothered you.
That’s why I don’t respond to homophobic comments on other sites. (but I do on here because I know it’s not allowed) I think it just gives nasty people a thrill when they know they upset whoever they are targeting.

I think that MJ should see if she can get reciprocal links with David Duke’s organization. Fans of both would appreciate the convenience of linking to like-minded sites.

Oy. Sometimes perspective is hard to come by. Getting a little fresh air usually helps me.

Went to VH1 and clicked on Adam under the most searched list and nothing came up but a notice : page not found. Due to redesign of our site the page you requested has been moved or is no longer available. Very strange I think. I click on GaGa’s and hers worked. I then went to videos under American Idol 2009 and the only one there is TFM. What happened to FYE, as it’s one of the best videos I’ve seen. I think they are receiving messages asking why was Adam’s FYE removed. I try to not visit fan sites very much as I learned that lesson after season 5. Sometimes it’s fun but sometimes it’s just too much. I seem to prefer options allowed sites and MJ’s is the best.

ps ‘“ I think you meant PUBLICITY (not PUBICITY) right

Reminds me of the time I typed “The City Council will hold a Pubic Hearing”. Unfortunately it got published that way. *facepalm*

Happier news –

Jason Castro and his new wife

http://twitpic.com/wet82

Wow MJ….I’m really digusted by that comment they posted. I like the fact that you allow differing points of view. Life would be boring if we all liked the same foods, music, movies, etc. I feel I should apologize for whatever “fan” wrote that as I don’t think the artist they are fan(s) of would approve.

I was wondering what I was doing on here last March LOL. I’m not an Idol watcher and found your site searching for Adam. I love how you cover the news of everyone, not just the most popular or famous of the idol contestants. I know the “fan-warring” gets tedious.

I can’t thank you enough for running this site. I’ve learned so much from you, and the numbers guru Kristen, on how behind the scenes stuff works. So maybe not everyone in the world does, but you have followers who appreciate what you do and want you to know it.

MJ, thank you for running this great blog. That ot comment is so ridiculous that it won’t make a dent in any rational mind.

I am first and foremost an Adam fan, and once upon a time, I was a huge fan of someone from Season 1. Having said that, I don’t frequent websites devoted to a particular artist. These sites are generally intolerant of negative opinions regarding the artist and more interested in blowing smoke up their collective butts – lol! I love coming to MJs to keep up on my fave, read what’s going on with other artists – and reading differing opinions. Keep up the great work MJ! <3

What page is the awful comment on?

Mj, they were discussing that over at TopIdol. The quotes taken from there are NASTY, to say the least. Just a heads up, some of the posters from that site share the same user names as some familiar posters over here.

I appreciate what you do here. Period.

The quotes taken from there are NASTY, to say the least. Just a heads up, some of the posters from that site share the same user names as some familiar posters over here.

That’s just a shame. You have to wonder about the mental state of a person who would post comments like that.

MJ you rock. Love the site and I can’t even imagine how many hours a day this takes out of your day to keep it up and running. Thanks for providing a safe place for us all to meet.

MJ….hope the support and appreciation of your fans helps to take the “sting” out of a crappy, ignorant, and cowardly comment. I admire your hard work and devotion to provide a “home” for us all. MJ’s and all the posters here are a big part of my life (maybe a little too big?…) and I send a big, big “thank you” to MJ and you all!!

“Kris has won over another convert. This guy is a DJ in Cleveland’ ¦

RobKruz

#After 2 months of fighting it’ ¦ I’m finally on board. @KrisAllen ‘s ‘Live Like We’re Dying’  is a good jam. about 2 hours ago from TweetDeck

(LLWD is at #24; MBD (Danny) is at #960)

#108/#174 FYE (album)

(Kris Allen is at #92]”

Girlygirl – thanks so much for your continual updates . I think that DJ now coming around , is happening a lot!! Makes up for the sometimes mediocre media writers like the Press Democrat. Heck if Kris stays in the Top 40 for long enough even they might come around!!

Don’t really care about media articles- LLWD success speak for itself!!”

MJ was grouped together with David Duke??WTF!

Went to VH1 and clicked on Adam under the most searched list and nothing came up but a notice : page not found. Due to redesign of our site the page you requested has been moved or is no longer available.

Yes, that’s the message you receive if you search the way you did, but if you select “browse artists” and select Adam Lambert, you will see that FYE and TFM are both there.

they were discussing that over at TopIdol. The quotes taken from there are NASTY, to say the least.

Are you talking about the comments and articles from TopIdol? I had never heard of that site, so I went to check it out. I guess I thought it was going to be another mjs. Woah! Warn a girl, will ya?
Why would people devote so much time to something they hate? It’s like Perez’s site. Full of hate. I won’t go to his site and I won’t go back there!
It did look like the same 10 people posting over and over at that other site. (shudders) No wonder mjs has such a high volume of traffic! It is so much more classy! Thanks mj!

I don’t get what they are saying. Are they saying mj is a white supremest? What led them to that conclusion?

Never been to TopIdol – don’t think I will ever go there.

I don’t get what they are saying. Are they saying mj is a white supremest? What led them to that conclusion?

DLee – I don’t get it either, but the comment was obviously very derogatory, which is disappointing considering how professional MJ’s site is compared to others I’ve seen. I have a hard time keeping up with all of the posts on this site let alone others, but there are obviously people who spend most of their time being nasty, which is a shame.

MJ – thanks for running such an informative and professional blog.

Wow.. Some people take fandom a little too seriously. I am with everyone else. I love this site and appreciate everything you do MJ. I think it is ridiculous that people think it is ok to say that kind of thing about someone who devotes so much time to bringing us so much information. BTW: I am still completely confused how the person thinks that could even remotely make sense..but I guess I don’t think that way.

BTW: Congratulations to Jason and Mandy! That is awesome news and it looks like they had a nice wedding. I bet Mama Castro is very proud.

Squirrely
01/02/2010 at 8:45 pm
Never been to TopIdol ‘“ don’t think I will ever go there

Dont! Trust me! It is literally the same 10 people posting pure hatred of everything idol and its fans.

This is a much happier place! And more fun!

I don’t get what they are saying. Are they saying mj is a white supremest? What led them to that conclusion?

It’s convoluted to be sure, but I think it has to do with the fact that I allow posters to criticize Adam. And, to some of his fans, criticizing Adam = You are a homophobic hater.

I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve been called homophobic in the last 6 months. Also: a twat, bitch, c*nt, bipolar skank, had my photo posted on a forum so peeps could mock the way I looked. I’ve been pelted with nasty tweets. I’ve had to block a couple of ex-poster who wouldn’t stop emailing me nasty shit. Also, there’s one banned poster who continues to post, knowing I’ll see the nasty messages when the post enters moderation.

Look, I’ve been running this blog for 4 year, and understand I won’t be loved by everybody. Criticism is part of the game, and I accept the hate threads on fan forums, etc. But this year has been something else for the nasty blow back. It’s similar to stuff I experienced Season 5, but the nastiest stuff then was mostly anonymous. This new breed doesn’t care if I know who they are or not.

Are you talking about the comments and articles from TopIdol? I had never heard of that site, so I went to check it out.

I was actually talking about that site MJ was talking about. The people at TopIdol were talking about it. They even quoted some of the comments.

Dont! Trust me! It is literally the same 10 people posting pure hatred of everything idol and its fans.

To be fair, I don’t think she hates Idol. I think what she hates are the bat shit crazy fans.

And I think she is a Kristard now. Hahaha.

Dont! Trust me! It is literally the same 10 people posting pure hatred of everything idol and its fans.

This isn’t directed at you nyc, but there are some peeps who criticize Top Idol, who might want to take a peek at their own backyards.

Some of the nastiest stuff I’ve ever read are at the so called “puppies and rainbows” forums.

While fans are blowing smoke up their favorite’s ass, they have no problem ripping rival Idols, fans they don’t like, reporters they don’t like, in the nastiest way possible.

You see, if it’s in the name of defending the object of obsession, then its all good and holy, doncha know.

#After 2 months of fighting it’ ¦ I’m finally on board. @KrisAllen ‘s ‘Live Like We’re Dying’  is a good jam.

Wish I could say the same. Try as I might, I just don’t like the song. Looking forward to the next single.

Wow, MJ, I don’t think I could take it.

Maybe Nigel can replace Simon on the panel. Sounds like he’s dying to have his opinion count.

I am beginning to hope for this.

The whole nasty comment thing had me confused, so I went to see what is was about. It’s weird to me to see people posting things about people who post on other sites. Why would they even care???

I think this is the best site for AI. I really love it.

MJ, this year, looking for information on Adam, I discovered a bunch of sites… a whole new world for me. And I spent time on the different sites. I ended up only coming to your site because:

- all the news is here
- lots of points of view
- people with something to say
- great regulars/posters

But most important, it is a civilized and respectful place to be.

And on all points, it is you that has created this. I admire the work you do to keep it all working. You are great! (Keeping with the civilized/respectful nature of your blog I will refrain from saying what those nasty fools are…!)

I don’t post often anymore, but I just wanted to say…

I would think, that at the very least, some peeps would appreciate the fact that I brought them together and then agree to disagree and just move on. But that’s not the way things go down in tard-land.

Thank you for introducing me to some great peeps. I enjoyed almost every minute of my time spent here. I don’t know anything about some super sekrit thread, but I just wanted to say thanks and Happy New Year.

Your site is a great place for AI people to meet. But as you have said, the inevitalble ebb and flow of the AI seasons bring people here and then they move on. Season 9 is starting and the cycle begins again. Have fun peeps. Back to lurking.

Exactly what Birchtree said!!!

MJ.. I am sorry that you have to deal with all of the Cray Cray fans! If I don’t like something that is said, I might get frustrated with that person, but I would never blame you for it. Not everybody likes the same idols, that is reality. You run a fair site that allows everyone to say what they feel (mostly) without the risk of getting ganged up on. As you always say, if someone can’t handle their favorite being talked about negatively, then they probably should hang out somewhere else.

Also, there’s one banned poster who continues to post, knowing I’ll see the nasty messages when the post enters moderation.

That’s awful!
Can’t you block her, like you did the one who was emailing you?

This isn’t directed at you nyc, but there are some peeps who criticize Top Idol, who might want to take a peek at their own backyards.

So the site that made that awful comment wasn’t Top Idol?

Either way, I don’t like the DD comment towards you and I don’t like a site that spews hatred. I don’t want either in my backyard!

So the site that made that awful comment wasn’t Top Idol?

No! They would never diss me over there. They are discussing the forum that made the nasty comments in one of their comments sections.

OMG, wow. I am a bit surprised that there’s such hatred for any site that doesn’t revere your chosen idol. While I didn’t look at any site that wasn’t MJ’s Big Blog or a fan site for my favorite for quite a while, I ventured forth lately just to see how it goes. What I found is that Perez Hilton is a joke. They (dunno if it’s him) put something out and let people say whatever, the most absurd comments. They don’t even care at all. VTFW has an agenda. If you understand the agenda it makes perfect sense i.e. if they didn’t choose your favorite, they’re going to hate him/her. What I find amusing is Kris Allen. They voted for him and OMG! he won. I find it would have been more amusing if it didn’t appear that TPTB ignored him (which appears so, at least in their perspective, and maybe mine). By playing into the meme that Adam Lambert was the rightful winner, it gives VTFW much more fuel for their fire not that they mean a hill of beans, but I’d have found it more amusing.

So Top Idol? I’ve only followed that blog for a couple of months. I find it to be a blog that points out all things absurd about Idol. I think it also points out good where it finds it. I’d believe it’s the best (most fair, most benevolent) anti-idol blog out there. If you don’t like what you see, well maybe take a look at yourself. That is what I see at least.

Ultimately, I love MJ’s for the balance and for the opportunity to post where you want and to ignore what you don’t want. I haven’t found it elsewhere. MJ brings it all. Lord knows I ignore many threads

Wow, even though I’ve been following this stuff since S5 I’m always amazed at how crazy the combination of Idol and the Internet can make people.

I actually think the craziness of S8 has exceeded S5. That year it was straight out my Idol is better than your Idol. This year more name calling has been added to the mix. How lovely.

This post may be well after the fact, but would like to give a comment to MJ. Thanks for your blog. I am a fairly new poster here and still finding my way around. I am an orginal AI fan as have watched since Day One. I have my special idols…and can say that most of them did not end up as the winner of their season. But have to admit that is part of the excitement.
I enjoyed Adam on AI, and think he has some awesome talents. Unfortunately I am not digging his music/performances since the show ended. However…am upset by the hate. Uncalled for. I have to say that IMO..the media is to blame as have given him OTT press.

To be fair, I don’t think she hates Idol. I think what she hates are the bat shit crazy fans.

And I think she is a Kristard now. Hahaha.

True and true! Ha!

I actually love it there because it’s kind of a haven for people sick of the batshit, and reluctantly finding themselves tarding over HBD.

I’m so sorry it’s so bad this year, mj. I really don’t understand people like that. I hope they can find something more productive to do. I’m sure Adam wouldn’t be happy to hear his fans are behaving this way.

MJ, as a liberal democrat who was vociferously against David Duke’s candidacy to anything whatsoever, I am appalled at anything connecting you with him.

You are a stellar human being in comparison. Needless to say.

This does not reflect my love for David Dukes, the actor, who I loved — especially in 79 Park Avenue, which I truly wish someone would release in DVD.

Please, someone!

MJ,

Most of us here know the good work you are doing. I have visited lots of idol sites and I can emphatically say that this place is the best so far.
This is where I have my breakfast because I know when I come here, I’ll get everything I’m looking for. Some of us go a little over board here sometimes but you are doing a good job by keeping us in check.
It’s very safe here and I’m shocked at the kind of scary things that takes place at other sites and suprisingly , some of them post here. Wow, it’s scary over there, not a place for sanes!
MJ, keep up the good works and God bless you.

I’m sorry you have to deal with that, mj. I guess it is that time of year again. Sigh.

I want to vouch for TopIdol, too. That site is fine. If anything, they make fun of crazy superfans.

Whenever a fandom gets to a point where there is a small group that only talks to eachother, who believes the only logic that makes sense is their own -not even other fans make sense to them, and who sees everything everyone else says as some kind of attempt to “diminish” or “belittle” their favorite – you have trouble. And those people always hate mj. Its like a twisted tradition.

I have to say that IMO..the media is to blame as have given him OTT press.

I really don’t think this is what is to blame. There is something about the psychology of the show…winning, voting, all that stuff that is responsible. You don’t see this with other stars because they weren’t part of a contest..no one is saying Gaga gets way more press than Katy Perry…I hate Gaga because the press loves her…or so and so deserves it more than Gaga. (Except Kanye…about Beyonce. lol)

To be fair, I don’t think she hates Idol. I think what she hates are the bat shit crazy fans.

And I think she is a Kristard now. Hahaha.

ITA. She runs a funny site that thrives on mocking BSC fans. And she has hilarious stories … it’s totally harmless, IMO. She especially enjoys discussing all the various derisive nicknames different website and fangroups have for Kris. There’s a new one today that Planet Fierce is calling Kris but so far nobody’s figured out what that one means.

Well we “rational” (okay at least somewhat rational ;_)) Adam fans feel bad for the very non-rational Adam fans. Blog writers, reviewers, DJs should not be harassed, and yet they are. Since Adam has linked to your site, I don’t think he would like that comment either. Too bad some of his fans can’t remember his motto “God hates hate”.

Too bad some of his fans can’t remember his motto ‘God hates hate’ .

I know right?

I guess we should all be careful of grouping all Adam fans together. I may love Adam as much as the next person but that may be ALL I have in common with the next person.

On a happier note… Doesn’t that Nigel article about Simon’s tastes in contestants make so much sense? Simon wants personalities he can interact with on stage. He wants the drama, the singing is secondary. The interesting part is, what would that mean for a contestant like Carrie Underwood? It also explains the Season 8 semis a lot. Oh, Simon.

I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if once the top 24 were picked the judges shut up. It was just Ryan and the contestants. I know it may not be as dramatic…but I would be curious to see what the voting was like.

I’m not going to bat defending Top Idol after some of the stuff I’ve seen there, often highly inaccurate.

But wherever that comment was posted about mj, just dumb dumb dumb.

Totally different subject, but interesting — Danny’s getting a tattoo tonight on what is probably his last night in Milwaukee before he goes to Florida tomorrow and back on the radio station tour.

dannygokey: Getting a tattoo!! I’ve never really wanted one but this tattoo I had designed has a lot of meaning to me!! I’ll twitpic the final result
35 minutes ago from Twitterrific

Blog writers, reviewers, DJs should not be harassed, and yet they are.

Yeah, it’s a shame. Just go take a look at VH-1 today and you’ll see all kinds of comments accusing them of homophobia for removing FYE from the Top 20 Countdown voting. Or, hopefully they’ve removed those comments by now. People were tweeting Ryan Seacrest daily after ABC pulled Adam from NY Rockin’ Eve demanding he “help” Adam. I know most fans are reasonable and nice people who don’t wish ill will on anyone, but no doubt it’s crazy out there – I hope it calms down when S9 starts, and that we don’t have a repeat of this insanity.

Just a heads up, some of the posters from that site share the same user names as some familiar posters over here.

They don’t just “share the usernames of,” they are one and the same. I want to clarify because this deserves to be clear. No ambiguity for the sad souls in that thread.

For those of you willing, the “point and laugh” thread at Worst has many of these posts with the names attached. I checked out the original thread, before it got deleted (or further hidden?), and the posts are for real. I didn’t see the David Duke one before it got pulled, but some of the posters over here ought to be ashamed of themselves. I won’t post names unless it’s okay with mj. I got one screencap, but not of the page I wish I could. It does confirm from a regular here that the David Duke post came from that thread, though.

I guess we should all be careful of grouping all Adam fans together. I may love Adam as much as the next person but that may be ALL I have in common with the next person.

ITA-there are varying degrees of fans and fandom. Not all fans are alike.

There has been a lot of hate directed at Adam as well, posted in comment sections of various blogs and news articles, many of the comments are outright homophobic. I think the very real issue of homophobia has made Season 8 incredibly intense. Unfortunately, as we can’t lump all Adam fans together, we can’t lump all folks who don’t like Adam as being homophobic. There is a lot of emotion involved with this issue and it’s gotten kind of messy.

On a happier note’ ¦ Doesn’t that Nigel article about Simon’s tastes in contestants make so much sense? Simon wants personalities he can interact with on stage. He wants the drama, the singing is secondary. The interesting part is, what would that mean for a contestant like Carrie Underwood? It also explains the Season 8 semis a lot. Oh, Simon.

Not sure it’s happier, since we’re still stuck with Simon, and Nigel moved on, but oh yeah. Makes total sense.

You do such a great job with this site, and some people just can’t stand that this site is about all the idols, not some altar to their idol diety of choice.

Yeah, pretty much that. And I’ve only been here since partway through Season 7 (missed the Season 5 festivities) but the nastiness has been pretty… well, wow. Especially some of the stuff directed at MJ on her own darn blog. I don’t know how you put up with all the crap, MJ, but I’m surely glad you do. Now that I have that damn iPhone I can even check in here when I’m on the road. Ha!

Anyhew, happy about Kris’s numbers on iTunes, really high and on a week of tons of downloads? sure to mean he’s going to do REALLY well with LLWD this weeks as well. I’m stoked about that.

Oh and I really resent being put in the same boat as BSC Adam fans anywhere and those that do, honestly lessen themselves in my eyes. I don’t put the asshat fans of other idols in the same boats as their non-asshat compadres, and believe me they are so out there. So having the same extended would be cool.

Onwards and upwards and back to reading my super-cool new book.

All I am going to say is that the “extreme” fans scare the crap out of me. I don’t know what reality they live in.

One is writing a book on how AI was stolen from Adam…huh

DLee
01/02/2010 at 9:41 pm
I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if once the top 24 were picked the judges shut up. It was just Ryan and the contestants. I know it may not be as dramatic’ ¦but I would be curious to see what the voting was like.

me too…I think alot of the judges’ comments are not informative critques meant to help a contestant develop or even an honest review of a performance, but geared more toward affecting the different fan bases. I also wonder how the outcome would be affected if the voting was limited to one vote per person. But, like you said, probably wouldn’t be as dramatic.

Aw, Truthiness, I missed the lumping together (granted, I skimmed through some of the pages, I’m tired) but I’m sorry if it is happening… I think most folks here are sane enough to know that every Idol (and any celeb) has nutters for fans and not every fan, even the overinvested/invested/adamant ones (I am the first to admit that since I have to check up on Cookie every.single.day, I qualify for overinvested, lol), are nutters. I like it here because there are so many witty, funny, smart folks here who are fans of various idols and everyone can chat in a usually respectful manner. And I know that when it isn’t like that MJ will swoop in with her delete finger and save the day .

One is writing a book on how AI was stolen from Adam’ ¦huh

Is she one of the posters on Top Idol who is making these mean statements?

I think all AI fans would find a book about AI interesting (not necessarily about Adam). If Paula can do a tell all book that would be a bestseller IMHO. The stuff that happens behind the scene, and also, as stated probably every season, numerous problems with the AI voting system, etc. I’m sure those who follow Idol on blogs would snap up a book like that ASAP.

mj,i’m sorry about that comment.that’s not even funny–just sad.

All I am going to say is that the ‘extreme’  fans scare the crap out of me. I don’t know what reality they live in.

BSC fans scare me too!And all of the idols seem to have them! There is a poster from VFTW who is literally STALKING all of Adam’s band mates, writers and friends on twitter. That’s alot of hate right there! Pretty Scary!

I guess we should all be careful of grouping all Adam fans together. I may love Adam as much as the next person but that may be ALL I have in common with the next person.

ITA! And I still don’t think the TopIdol site is amusing. To me, it’s all the same. Nasty is nasty-no matter who’s fans are making the comments!

All I am going to say is that the ‘extreme’  fans scare the crap out of me.

ME TOO!!…

I can say I don’t lump. I try to look at each poster as a person. I know there are a lot of very sane and annoyed Adam fans out there, and I’m proud to call some of them my friends. I also know there are some crazy Kris fans out there too. Most of the people who frequent mjs are pretty even handed. I love that about the people mj attracts, and it comes down to the kind of person she is.

There just happen to be people who come here for a time thinking her evenhandedness is really pro-their fave. When they realize she really isn’t playing favorites they lose it, bitch behind her back, and move on. I can’t wait till the most recent batch hits that last step…oh boy, this year has been fun times. *eyeroll*

but some of the posters over here ought to be ashamed of themselves.

See, that’s how I feel about what I read at TopIdol. Why is one worse than the other? Is it perception? (whether they are targeting someone’s favorite or not) It’s all the same to me.

ETA: I’m not referring to the DD comment. Just all the other comments that were trashing and making fun of the idols. They are all spewing hate for one or several of the contestants.

that’s so disturbing…Idk how u deal w/it all…I mean,y’all kno I love Adam to death (that pretty obvious) but i would never do that to slezak or someone for insulting Adam.that’s so..horrible…

I guess we should all be careful of grouping all Adam fans together. I may love Adam as much as the next person but that may be ALL I have in common with the next person.

Well said, DLee, very well said.

We could probably insert the name of any Idol contestant in this statement. I have learned in my two short years with Idol that it is best (for me anyway) to avoid all sites dedicated to one particular person. As amusing as the unadulterated worship may be, the hate that is spewed against others by a few of their members does nothing but poison the heart, mind and soul.

All the idol contestants – even the ones I adore and dislike – are living, breathing, talented and fallible humans capable of wonderful and awful performances, brilliant moves and tragic mistakes. Some will find success relatively easy, others will toil without ever getting their fair share of recognition. That is show biz.

I thank MJ for providing a site that provides all the news about the contestants and a site where all viewpoints about that news can be discussed. I for one, love hearing from people who don’t share my view as I enjoy being given something to think about.

Others here have said it much better than I, but here’s to MJ for her great work and blog!

when I said “extreme” fans I meant of EVERY Idol …there is just a point that they cross waaaaaay over the line.

The BSC fans are insane. I used to try and read comments on other sites, but I gave up after one seemed to get into a war on idols from previous seasons having nothing to do with what was actually being discussed in the article.

I actually enjoy that this blog allows for fans of all the idols to discus things and also allows freedom to criticize idols as long as we don’t go too far.

I thank MJ for providing a site that provides all the news about the contestants and a site where all viewpoints about that news can be discussed. I for one, love hearing from people who don’t share my view as I enjoy being given something to think about.

yes!!!!! and I love how I can squee and flail about Adam,but am allowed to critisize too

I have learned in my two short years with Idol that it is best (for me anyway) to avoid all sites dedicated to one particular person. As amusing as the unadulterated worship may be, the hate that is spewed against others by a few of their members does nothing but poison the heart, mind and soul.

I do not visit any fansites, (I have been to Planet Fierce and it was so complicated I couldn’t find my way around.) but something doesn’t make sense to me, if a site is dedicated to one Idol…where does the hatred come in? Don’t they all like the same person?

I have got to say that these *spineless weasels* that make outrageous comments are to pitied! The only power they have is to find to most hateful thing to say and then hope to take someone down. I say CALL THEM OUT *if* you know exactly who they are and then see just how brave they are! The internet can be a great thing but everything great is abused eventually!
Mj, you know there are many here that appreciate you….I just had no idea that you were getting this sh!t from posters. I guess that shows how naive I am! Sad, sad commentary on our human race…………*sigh* and I am so sorry you have to put up with this………………..PIX

American idol reruns are on again FYI

mj…thanks.((hugs))) .that’s all I can say.I appreciate what you do so much..

dlee sometimes they critisize other idols , or if they move from somewhere else that blog

What’s a BSC fan?

I think the thing about TopIdol is that you have to distinguish comments from particular posters from comments from TopIdol herself. That site seems to work like this one where you can say what you want about any Idol, only she also allows comments about fandoms too.So you will always have a few folks who will take potshots at the fans of a rival. To me, that is not somthing you can be mad at the blog itself about, just like you can’t be mad at mj for the occasional mean poster here.

Oh, I see what you mean, thanks luvadamlambert

What’s a BSC fan?

Bat shit crazy

but something doesn’t make sense to me, if a site is dedicated to one Idol’ ¦where does the hatred come in? Don’t they all like the same person?

It comes from the posts that are generated because someone doesn’t think a site, person or media source is being fair to their object of worship, or that some other performer is getting more media time or attention than their object of worship. Then if someone on the blog dares to post anything that is anything less than 100 percent in praise of the said object of worship some of the other bloggers show their fangs and claws.

I wonder if some of the extra nastiness this year is due to the fact that none of season 8 idols are not doing that well saleswise. I think this is one of the fairest sites to all the idols there is and MJ does a great job monitoring it. I am sorry about the crap you put up with since you do us AI fans a great favor by having this blog.

DLee …but something doesn’t make sense to me, if a site is dedicated to one Idol’ ¦where does the hatred come in? Don’t they all like the same person?

after checking out one of the referred to fan sites tonight..I was rather shocked. I can tell you DLee..the hatred comes on fast and vicious toward any poster who veers from the scripted line. Seemed like a bunch of inbred kool-aid drinkers to me. No diverse opinion allowed or tolerated.

Bat shit crazy

Thank you!

The quotes taken from there are NASTY, to say the least. Just a heads up, some of the posters from that site share the same user names as some familiar posters over here.

That’s just a shame. You have to wonder about the mental state of a person who would post comments like that.

MJ you rock. Love the site and I can’t even imagine how many hours a day this takes out of your day to keep it up and running. Thanks for providing a safe place for us all to meet.

I’ll just ditto this since I can’t say it any better.

It sounds like some people seriously need to get real lives. Obsession is dangerous and people loose all sense of reason.

topidol? hmm I like that blog.sure I disagree with EVERYTHING,but it’s funny.never read comments though-too hateful

Coming out of lurkdom to add my voice to the others ‘“ So sorry you have to put up with that crap. Whatever happened to civilized discussions? MJ, you do a great job here and I am grateful for all of your efforts. I know it takes time to read and delete the (occasional) nastiness from these threads. I have trouble just finding time to read them all! It’s a wonder you can have a real life at all. Most of the posters here are intelligent, interesting people who may not always agree but who can appreciate and respect different opinions. I found a home here. Don’t even want to look elsewhere. Ignore the jerks ‘“ and know that we really respect and appreciate you!!!!

I thank MJ for providing a site that provides all the news about the contestants and a site where all viewpoints about that news can be discussed. I for one, love hearing from people who don’t share my view as I enjoy being given something to think about.

I love that, too. And even though coming here has cost me lots of $$ in buying albums because I know what everyone is up to… Haha! I love it. There’s some good music out there, though, from some lesser-known Idols that I would’ve missed without this site – one thing about most of these Idol kids, they can *sing*.

And I love the snarky, smart, witty folks here – it is fine with me if the folks who spew nastiness go away so the snarky people will come back out to play

BTW, can anyone shoot me a link again to the page where you can set your avatar? Hubby doesn’t like that everything either of us posts has my foster dog on it. Hee. Though he better watch out, I might put something else on there as the avatar…

BTW, can anyone shoot me a link again to the page where you can set your avatar?

http://www.gravatar.com

I wonder if some of the extra nastiness this year is due to the fact that none of season 8 idols are not doing that well saleswise.

I think it more has to do with some people believing that Adam lost Idol because of the “anyone but the gay guy” vote. I think there is homophobia, which probably did cause some viewers to vote against Adam. But having said that, some hard core fans look for it in places it doesn’t exist and hence we get the nasty comments.

And on the flip side, some fans of Kris, who did vote for Kris because they liked him best, resent the “anti-Adam vote” theory because they believe it tarnishes Kris’s win. Therefore any success Adam has is because of hype and controversy.

The end result is that these fans will prove, based on the album/single numbers that Adam/Kris should have won idol.

I wonder if some of the extra nastiness this year is due to the fact that none of season 8 idols are not doing that well saleswise.

no i don’t think so.at all.

yknow I love all the idols but I cried so much after the finale that I could be writing that book

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Thanks, MJ. Now my husband will think you’re even more awesome (Penn State fan, and all).

“just as we can’t lump all Adam fans together, we can’t lump all folks who don’t like Adam as being homophobic. There is a lot of emotion involved with this issue and it’s gotten kind of messy.”

Here , here!! I happen to be one that doesn’t like Adam’s style of singing & performance but I appreciate that others do – doesn’t mean I hate Adam though !!
Its great that you do provide an outlet here MJ where all views can be canvassed & that you delete when things get out of hand!!

mj
01/02/2010 at 5:39 pm
O by the way. When you think your ‘supersekrit’  thread is secret? Sometimes it isn’t. I just want to know, in what universe, something like this is allowed to stand:

I think that MJ should see if she can get reciprocal links with David Duke’s organization. Fans of both would appreciate the convenience of linking to like-minded sites.

And peeps who frequent the website that lovely post came from bitch loudly about the ‘ugly and negative’  comments that are allowed to stand on my blog.

Can you say Hyp-0-Crit? I knew you could.

I would think, that at the very least, some peeps would appreciate the fact that I brought them together and then agree to disagree and just move on. But that’s not the way things go down in tard-land.

I participated and even administrated a fan forum for awhile, so I know all about the behavior’“the hive mentality, the paranoia, the ‘us vs them’  mentality’ , the posters egging each other on, the behavior in a group that would never occur in a singular situation.

Some of you, a year or so from now, will wake up like in the Talking Heads song and ask yourself ‘How did I get here?’  I know I did. So, I have a tiny bit of sympathy for y’all.

But, only a tiny bit.

MJ, I find this very disturbing. I’m a member of that forum you’re talking about. I can tell you not everyone there even frequents the “supersekrit” room you’re referring to. There are many who go there for news and positive reinforcement who do not bash other idols or reporters– and when that happens there is frequently a good and lively discussion– just like here, only of course since it is a fan forum the focus is on that fan.

I am a realist. I realize it’s not perfect there, as it is not perfect here.
There is bashing there– just like here.
There is handwringing there– just like here.
There are trolls in both places.
There is no perfect place and no forum or blog entirely free of controversy.

Please do not lump together all fans, groups of fans, members of certain forums, etc.– because if you do you are just as guilty.

I’ve seen people here and there bitch about posters… and say nasty things… and step over the line. Rudeness is human nature. It’s in our DNA. It is all too easy to step over the line and even here, on a moderated site, you cannot catch all the nastiness that is spewed.

I see good hearted and intelligent people both here and there. I do not like and do not want to see fan warring and site warring. And no, I’m not all “puppies and roses” as some of you like to sneer.

I’m a person who enjoys diversity. And choice. And hates unnecessary hate no matter where or how it’s generated.
Those getting in a tizzy over what’s being said “over there”– well, how is that different than what you are accusing them of doing?
Generalizations only fuel the nastiness we all say we abhor.

yknow I love all the idols but I cried so much after the finale that I could be writing that book

Luv, if you write it, I will buy it…in fact I’ll even pre-order it on Amazon.

Totally different subject, but interesting ‘” Danny’s getting a tattoo tonight on what is probably his last night in Milwaukee before he goes to Florida tomorrow and back on the radio station tour.

And will he have his guitar with him when he boards the plane? Just curious.

undercooked, you’re a wise person. That’s all.

Those getting in a tizzy over what’s being said ‘over there’ ’“ well, how is that different than what you are accusing them of doing?

I think it’s more… that people who post here are turning around and spewing some of that stuff over there. At least that’s what is off-putting to me. I only speak for myself . And some of the stuff I’ve read was pretty darn nasty. I was taken aback, really.

undercooked, you’re a wise person. That’s all.

Thank you, you are very kind. Now only if I could get my kids to think that.

But seriously, the posters here are great, even the ones I don’t always agree with. MJ attracks a smart and witty bunch of people to her site. I’m glad we have this site to gather together and trade laughs and the odd zinger.

NGL when I get frustrated over here with some posters I vent over there. I’ll be more than happy to vent it here but we are not allowed to question posters.

Kate8, hmmm, I think the extra nastiness was there way before they even thought of summer tour and it’s sad because this is the year that we have a winner and runner-up who are very good friends and both families are friends too. Sometimes I feel for both guys, truly.
Some believe one of them was robbed but I don’t remember any of them bringing the crown from home. And I truly believe people voted for who they wanted at least we all had the chance to vote for who we wanted as much as we can . So sensibly, any of them was deserving.

MJ you rock. Love the site and I can’t even imagine how many hours a day this takes out of your day to keep it up and running. Thanks for providing a safe place for us all to meet.

MJ ~
Even though I don’t post very often, I want to personally thank you for providing a “safe” environment for me to express my thoughts and feelings (in a polite way, of course) without having to worry about ridicule from others. I love the fact that you have written guidelines that we must adhere to, and that you are awesome about following through with these rules. Can you tell I am a teacher?? Love you, MJ!

Where is the “Sekrit” room?

re Danny

And will he have his guitar with him when he boards the plane? Just curious.

Not sure I understand what you’re asking, or if that’s snarky I’m missing it, lol.

Danny did get a guitar on AI. I’d personally assumed he probably never had time to learn it or practice much given the pace of the AI tour and Danny’s schedule since then. Must confess, maybe I had that wrong though. In the photo Matt sent recently while visiting Danny in Nashville, Danny was actually holding a guitar.

It’s believed Danny is staying with his late wife’s family in Nashville. His brother-in-law Ivan plays bass guitar and has a music studio of some sort. Ivan and another friend who plays lead guitar are in Danny’s band for the acoustic sets on his ongoing radio tour. Maybe Danny is learning / practicing with them in Nashville and when they are on the road. Don’t envision Danny breaking out a guitar on a country music stage anytime that soon though.

NGL when I get frustrated over here with some posters I vent over there. I’ll be more than happy to vent it here but we are not allowed to question posters.

Squirrely, I think with the new design, MJ might have a way for people to PM each other? Also, I have never been able to get into the chat room here. It says my password isn’t valid, but I think she is working on that as well. So perhaps the site will have a way to have more personal conversations when points need to be hammered out?

aww thanks undercooked.that made my day

adamaloha, this is part if why I love here.thanks for that post.I love the different opinions.it’s a few bad apples that spoil the barrel..or something like that(not that I think the person who posted that comment is ” bad ” ,that comment is SO messed up,but that’s not a “bad person”.frustrated that’s all.JMHO(that doesn’t mean their comment is acceptable,though).well,idk,my friends say I’m weird becuz I like everybody.it’s VERY VERY VERY hard for me to not like someone.even when I should probably hate them)

Danny did get a guitar on AI. I’d assumed personally he probably never had time to learn it or practice much given the pace of the AI tour and Danny’s schedule since then. Must confess, maybe I had that wrong though. In the photo Matt sent recently while visiting Danny in Nashville, Danny was actually holding a guitar.

I recall Danny getting a guitar on AI and stating he wanted to learn. I believe since he was the music arranger at his church he can read music. Does he also play piano? I think it’s great he is learning. I hope he brings his guitar on the plane with him. He can practice in his down time.

I have to admit I also belong to said forum and it’s not THAT crazy!

Seriously, this blog is not the best place to get Adam news anymore and I am just hungry for my fix. Also, people here get irritated when there is too much Adam news and discussions. The fan forum is a cool place but I also like to hang here sometimes to argue a bit and get some food for my thoughts.

saga
01/02/2010 at 11:18 pm
I have to admit I also belong to said forum and it’s not THAT crazy!
Seriously, this blog is not the best place to get Adam news anymore and I am just hungry for my fix. Also, people here get irritated when there is too much Adam news and discussions. The fan fourum is a cool place but I also like to hang here sometimes to argue a bit and get some food for my thoughts.

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ditto.

Is she one of the posters on Top Idol who is making these mean statements?

I think a lot of people are confused about where this whole thing originated. The conversation taking place on Top Idol is paralleling this one, discussing what is being said on a particular thread on that Planet Fierce site.

Top Idol loves MJ, as do most of her posters from what I can tell. I post over there myself because I like her personally even if I don’t agree with all her opinions or that of all her posters. A lot of people from here go over there to vent, since MJ doesn’t allow posters to criticise each other. Top Idol doesn’t censor posts, but she will moderate and interject her opinions if she thinks people have gotten the facts wrong. So, just to be clear, it’s a few people on that Planet Fierce site who are slinging the sh*t at MJ, not Top Idol.

I have to admit I also belong to said forum and it’s not THAT crazy!

Seriously, this blog is not the best place to get Adam news anymore and I am just hungry for my fix. Also, people here get irritated when there is too much Adam news and discussions. The fan forum is a cool place but I also like to hang here sometimes to argue a bit and get some food for my thoughts.

That’s how I feel Saga.

Where is the ‘Sekrit’  room?

On every fan forum ever created.

Also, people here get irritated when there is too much Adam news and discussions.

I don’t get why people get upset about Adam news. Because if there is news about Adam or any idol, then MJ posts it.

saga,
It’s very true, sometimes we need to go to the fansites and it’s always a few who spoil the game for everyone and I’m not sure they are stopping anytime soon. We should all just be careful not to say things that are damaging about others.
I love reading your posts here and lots of others but honestly there are some that I just scroll past.
But even that doesn’t make me hate anyone. I love all of you.

Umm, and i have to admit I find it a bit obsessive to go to an obscure fan forum and dig a several months old post…

I’m a person who enjoys diversity. And choice. And hates unnecessary hate no matter where or how it’s generated.
Those getting in a tizzy over what’s being said ‘over there’ ’“ well, how is that different than what you are accusing them of doing?
Generalizations only fuel the nastiness we all say we abhor.

Oh please. You’ve completely MISSED MY POINT.

All I hear from certain members of THAT forum (a forum that would not even exist if it weren’t for my blog) is about how nasty my blog is. How terrible and nasty my posters are. And yet….and yet….just read the shit ya’ll are posting on your own site.

POT KETTLE BLACK That’s all I’m saying. You might want to clean up your own f*cking backyards before you criticize me, Top Idol, Vote for the Worst, Rickey or anybody else.

Y’all need to get off your high hypocritical horses is my point. Am I making myself clear?

I think a lot of people are confused about where this whole thing originated. The conversation taking place on Top Idol is paralleling this one, discussing what is being said on a particular thread on that Planet Fierce site.

Ok, I am confused. LOL! This is the only Idol site I go to. When I was a rookie at the beginning of the season, I actually went to the offical AI boards, but I couldn’t take the extreme fandom, although there are funny and witty posters there as well.

“Seriously, this blog is not the best place to get Adam news anymore and I am just hungry for my fix. Also, people here get irritated when there is too much Adam news and discussions.”

That’s why I like MJ’s blog for a change – it provides a lot of variety of updated news about a range of people – not just one person!! So yeah- if you are a fan of one person- a fansite should be the best place to go for all their news!!

Also, people here get irritated when there is too much Adam news and discussions.

I don’t get why people get upset about Adam news. Because if there is news about Adam or any idol, then MJ posts it.

There were times when Adam was ten out of twelve of the articles posted in the headlines and yes people were funky about it. Lately not so much Adam has been posted, but yet I still get tons of articles to my google alerts about Adam. So I get my Adam fix on Planet Fierce which I love and adore. But I still lurk and post here on occasion, but I go back to PF when I’m not in the mood for Adam bashing.

On every fan forum ever created.

Oh for sure. Usually several layers deep. You’ve got the part of the forum that everyone can see. The part of the forum that registered posters can see. And then there’s the super sekrit forum that only the most trusted members of the clique can see.

The third layer gets created when the paranoia kicks in.

Also, people here get irritated when there is too much Adam news and discussions.

I have become sensitive to this and really try not to post about Adam in the Headlines thread. (Tonight being the exeption.)

That’s why I like MJ’s blog for a change ‘“ it provides a lot of variety of updated news about a range of people ‘“ not just one person!! So yeah- if you are a fan of one person- a fansite should be the best place to go for all their news!!

I never said I was against other news about other idols. It just isn’t the place to find the latest Adam news anymore.

Saga, adamaloha and Squirrely, if you can get something positive out of your respective forums then more power to you. But if you disagree with the hurtful comments that have been said – and in the case of MJ I trust you do – then it is also up to you to help set your fellow posters straight.
Its always the best when housecleaning can be kept “in house”.

Because if there is news about Adam or any idol, then MJ posts it.

ITA

And then there’s the super sekrit forum that only the most trusted members of the clique can see.

The third layer gets created when the paranoia kicks in.

Geesh….sounds creepy.

I recall Danny getting a guitar on AI and stating he wanted to learn. I believe since he was the music arranger at his church he can read music. Does he also play piano? I think it’s great he is learning. I hope he brings his guitar on the plane with him. He can practice in his down time.

I think Danny does play some piano, not sure how well. Even if decently, with Matt and Scott in this year’s top 10 it wouldn’t have been too smart for Danny to try any braggin’ on his piano playing skills He may be able to bring his guitar for the promo tour. Danny has something like 10-15 (maybe more) stops planned around Florida next week. He must be flying out of Milwaukee down to Florida. Could be that their tour bus will be meeting up with them to handle all the local travel in Florida.

After the Florida sweep, he’s due back in Nashville for Friday night’s Sound and Speed Opry concerts and a related ‘fan festival’ event next weekend.

You guys know I’m an Adam fan… but I’m beginning to really get lost in this discussion.

Geesh’ ¦.sounds creepy.

right??? I’m new to being a fan of anyone…. the internet makes it scary!

Saga, adamaloha and Squirrely, if you can get something positive out of your respective forums them more power to you. But if you disagree with the hurtful comments that have been said ‘“ and in the case of MJ I hope you do ‘“ then it is also up to you to help set your fellow posters straight.
Its always the best when housecleaning can be kept ‘in house’ .

Oh believe me, there is a healthy discussion on that forum! MJ is really giving a very one sided view of this. The post is several months old apparently. I did a forum search and couldn’t find it. I was a bit suprised by the post because the recent discussion on the forum has been about totally different things.

Umm, and i have to admit I find it a bit obsessive to go to an obscure fan forum and dig a several months old post’ ¦

Just as obsessive as starting your own fan board and then making a thread whose sole purpose is to bitch about the board you just left and the posters there.

Just to be clear I do not condone what was said about MJ.

There were times when Adam was ten out of twelve of the articles posted in the headlines and yes people were funky about it.

I felt like in the last few months mj made an effort to have a headlines thread and an Adam thread of some kind for each day to separate us and keep us from fan warring as much as possible. I would usually stay in the Adam thread and then check out the headline thread once in a while where most of the conversation centered around Cook or Kris…did I just imagine that mj?

I did a forum search and couldn’t find it. I was a bit suprised by the post because the recent discussion on the forum has been about totally different things.

I think someone upthread said it had been deleted.

The third layer gets created when the paranoia kicks in.

You mean there are actual secret links to secret threads. Why do I feel like Neo from the Matrix who discovers that the world he lives in is a fantasy/computer program. So posters in the secret thread “plug in” and go into the regular blogosphere, get information, and go back to their hovercraft?

mj
01/02/2010 at 5:39 pm
O by the way. When you think your ‘supersekrit’  thread is secret? Sometimes it isn’t. I just want to know, in what universe, something like this is allowed to stand:

I think that MJ should see if she can get reciprocal links with David Duke’s organization. Fans of both would appreciate the convenience of linking to like-minded sites.

And peeps who frequent the website that lovely post came from bitch loudly about the ‘ugly and negative’  comments that are allowed to stand on my blog.

Can you say Hyp-0-Crit? I knew you could.

I would think, that at the very least, some peeps would appreciate the fact that I brought them together and then agree to disagree and just move on. But that’s not the way things go down in tard-land.

I participated and even administrated a fan forum for awhile, so I know all about the behavior’“the hive mentality, the paranoia, the ‘us vs them’  mentality’ , the posters egging each other on, the behavior in a group that would never occur in a singular situation.

Some of you, a year or so from now, will wake up like in the Talking Heads song and ask yourself ‘How did I get here?’  I know I did. So, I have a tiny bit of sympathy for y’all.

But, only a tiny bit.

^^^I don’t think it is fair to single out one fansite. As an Adam fan I don’t post here often because of the nastiness that also occurs here. So I wouldn’t pretend that this is a perfect blog. MJ I think you do a very difficult job in running this site, so you can’t possibly be able to run a perfect site. It is easy to blame Adam fans as being the evil ones because it is the cool thing to do. But I went back a few seasons and read some of the post then and nothing has change. Every season it is the same thing, just different year and different faces. I know a lot of Danny fans who stop coming here because of the intense hatred for him and a few Kris fans left a long time ago. Things have calm down in recent weeks, but that is probably because most of Adam’s fans have left so there are less targets. Don’t get me wrong, there are bat shit crazy fans with all idols, but to single out one is just wrong. As for Danny’s fans they are probably some of the kindest fans around and a good majority of them really like and respect Adam. They probably know better than any fan what it is like to be a constant target. So I don’t think that it is only Adam fans who feel unwelcome here.

Also, people here get irritated when there is too much Adam news and discussions.

I have become sensitive to this and really try not to post about Adam in the Headlines thread.

Me, too, DLee!

” That’s why I like MJ’s blog for a change ‘“ it provides a lot of variety of updated news about a range of people ‘“ not just one person!! So yeah- if you are a fan of one person- a fansite should be the best place to go for all their news!!

I never said I was against other news about other idols. It just isn’t the place to find the latest Adam news anymore.”

Sorry saga- that’s not what I was implying. Just saying that fan sites should be the best source of the person you are following , if they are run properly!!
I believe MJ does the best she can with updating the news – heck it must be a full time job – searching through all the threads to check on things – let alone keeping up with what is the latest news!!

Umm, and i have to admit I find it a bit obsessive to go to an obscure fan forum and dig a several months old post’ ¦

Just as obsessive as starting your own fan board and then making a thread whose sole purpose is to bitch about the board you just left and the posters there.

Actually the purpose was to vent about anything off topic. – it’s a general topic room. I was not aware of the comment until today because it was a room with over a hundred pages so someone quite obsessive went searching for this.

I think Danny does play some piano, not sure how well. Even if decently, with Matt and Scott in this year’s top 10 it wouldn’t have been too smart for Danny to try any braggin’ on his piano playing skills He may be able to bring his guitar for the promo tour. Danny has something like 10-15 (maybe more) stops planned around Florida next week. He must be flying out of Milwaukee down to Florida. Could be that their tour bus will be meeting up with them to handle all the local travel in Florida.

I think you’re right, Danny does have some piano skills, not sure about guitar – I’m pretty sure the pictures we’ve seen of him with one were of Kris’s guitar. Though, the statement about him not using them on the show is interesting. I think it couold have provided him with a real moment – both for the surprise of it as well as a new aspect of his performance, similar to when Kris was suddenly on keyboard for ANS. Truthfully, I think he could only benefit from being able to play an instrument when he’s out there – it adds another facet to him.

Undercooked: Right, the discussion going on at Top Idol is similar to this (only snarkier lol) – if you’re inclined, it’s in the Kris article with his NYE performance. The nasty stuff didn’t originate there. A lot of people from here also post there.

Also, people here get irritated when there is too much Adam news and discussions.

I have become sensitive to this and really try not to post about Adam in the Headlines thread.

Me, too, DLee!

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Oh, and another thing…

I don’t send posters over to PF to fight my battles, or set posters straight. The night those two suicide bombers showed up to disrupt the blog–one of them proudly admitted that she was from PF and had been egged on by her fellow posters to do so–was the day I wrote your forum off.

Seriously, I quit as administrator of the fan forum I was modding because the members there were trolling other sites. I just could not get behind that shit.

Ugh, I realize I’ve hijacked my own thread, and I promise this subject will be closed after tonight, but after reading some of those comments, I just felt pushed to the breaking point.

You mean there are actual secret links to secret threads. Why do I feel like Neo from the Matrix who discovers that the world he lives in is a fantasy/computer program. So posters in the secret thread ‘plug in’  and go into the regular blogosphere, get information, and go back to their hovercraft?

mega chuckle! I don’t get it either. blahhhh… Sorry I’m getting silly now. It sounds crazy.

Sorry saga- that’s not what I was implying. Just saying that fan sites should be the best source of the person you are following , if they are run properly!!
I believe MJ does the best she can with updating the news ‘“ heck it must be a full time job ‘“ searching through all the threads to check on things ‘“ let alone keeping up with what is the latest news!!

Yeah I know what you mean. What has changed is that a lot of the Adam used to post the information in the comment sections of Adam threads or the headline thread. That doesn’t happen as much anymore since most of them left. I am certainly not blaming MJ and I agree that that’s what fansites are for.

Actually the purpose was to vent about anything off topic. ‘“ it’s a general topic room.

No, you are wrong, I went there in November because I was told on another board that nasty things were being written about me (which there were) and other posters at mjs including Adam fans who didn’t fall in line with a certain click (which there were) and I looked at that thread. It morphed into a general bitching thread, but started as a MJ bitching thread.

So I wouldn’t pretend that this is a perfect blog.

Am I doing that? Show me where I’ve called my blog perfect. I’m merely calling out the hearts and flowers crowd on their two-faced bullshit.

Oh, and speaking of Danny fans…for MONTHS Danny was ridiculed and ripped to shreds in these threads–way worse treatment than Adam ever got.

Where was the outrage then?

And I have to say, I never got the shit from Danny fans that I could have gotten. I few angry emails, and some complaining on fan threads was about it.

Oh, and another thing’ ¦

I don’t send posters over to PF to fight my battles, or set posters straight. The night those two suicide bombers showed up to disrupt the blog’“one of them proudly admitted that she was from PF and had been egged on by her fellow posters to do so’“was the day I wrote your forum off.

I am sorry but this is also not really true. I don’t know what to say, other than that the focus of that forum truly is Adam, not MJ’s. It’s not an ideal place and sometimes posts from this place gets discussed. It’s a fan forum, not UN.

I need a drink to follow this latest soap opera..lol

what “secret” board are we talking about

So I don’t think that it is only Adam fans who feel unwelcome here.

I am an Adam fan and I do not feel unwelcome here in the least.

If folks of several different Idol contestants think MJ isn’t playing fair to his/her Idol I think it must be a sign that MJ isn’t playing favorites. There are a lot of folks from all walks of life that think she is doing a great job too. I appreciate her impartiality and would hate it if this turned into a fan forum.

ETA: I can’t speak for her, but I don’t think MJ was singling any particular site out as much as responding to comments that were made about her directly. She didn’t mention the site by name, which led to some initial confusion that the comments were made at Top Idol.

Again, my comments aren’t against all Adam fans – as I am one – but the people that would make such hurtful unwarranted statements. I would feel this way no matter which Idol contestant the posters were fans of.

the most detailed Adam news,is definetly at pf,but if you want most of it I think you can find it on mj’s

I am sorry but this is also not really true.

Oh it is true. Unless the posters who came over here were lying. The original posts are deleted now, so I can’t prove it.

There was also a lengthy discussion I saw from posters who hated my blog, but were going to come over here, like soldiers, to defend Adam against the nasty nasty posters here. Lots of militaristic jargon was used in that discussion.

sweetni4 ..So I don’t think that it is only Adam fans who feel unwelcome here.

what????….I’m an 100% over-the-top Adam fan and have always felt welcome here….always.

Because if there is news about Adam or any idol, then MJ posts it.

I totally agree with this. I have a very busy schedule. This blog is extremely user friendly and perfect for me and my needs. I love how I can check in here everyday at some point and quickly scan the thread topics for quick updates. The same goes for the “portions” of the articles that are provided under the headlines thread. I then can choose the specific threads and news articles that I want to pursue further.

I am an Adam fan and I do not feel unwelcome here in the least.

me either.sure,sometimes I’m really frustrated,but then I just log off.

There was also a lengthy discussion I saw from posters who hated my blog, but were going to come over here, like soldiers, to defend Adam against the nasty nasty posters here. Lots of militaristic jargon was used in that discussion.

As for all fan forums they develope and go in different directions with time. Posters there come in all flavors. A few posters are like this, most are not. I also think the forum has developed as it has grown. The “secret” thread (which is not so secret) is now truly a open topic thread.

I think idol fans forums have the latest news about their idols. I go to Adam’s IDF for his news, numbers, updates and pictures, but they spread out in different threads. MJ does a great job collecting these news and put them together in a friendly format.

I feel I’m welcomed here

So if I’m right, the superseekrit is like the HOLY OF HOLIES in the time of the israelites where only the Highpriest can enter to communicate with God? OIC.

obviously not all posters there are “bad”– some even still post here occasionally (and provide some great discussion and links)

There was also a lengthy discussion I saw from posters who hated my blog, but were going to come over here, like soldiers, to defend Adam against the nasty nasty posters here. Lots of militaristic jargon was used in that discussion.

It’s not hard to stumble onto these discussions on Twitter, either, so it’s not exactly out of the public domain – anyone can look at Twitter feeds and see what’s being discussed. You see it at times even if you’re not looking for it. ONTD_AI is another site that loves to mock the cray cray fans, so again, you don’t need to seek out these conspiracies to see them, whether you want to or not.

You guys know I’m an Adam fan’ ¦ but I’m beginning to really get lost in this discussion.

Well I post here and there, and I don’t know about half of this stuff as I mostly avoid Adam’s threads here lately and don’t know about all of this evil stuff that PF is supposedly doing and standing for, so call me clueless.

There was also a lengthy discussion I saw from posters who hated my blog, but were going to come over here, like soldiers, to defend Adam against the nasty nasty posters here. Lots of militaristic jargon was used in that discussion.

wow… so crazy — little internet anonymous soldiers….

that whole scam with the glamberts freaked me out. no one knows who any one is…. yikes…

me either.sure,sometimes I’m really frustrated,but then I just log off.

That’s been what I’ve been doing….

The night those two suicide bombers showed up to disrupt the blog’“one of them proudly admitted that she was from PF and had been egged on by her fellow posters to do so’“

Which night was that? I ask because I remember a particularly rough night when I got myself put in moderation…wondering if it was the same night.

Being a Taylor HIcks fan, I joined many of his fan sites after season 5, and trust me the man has many fan sites and blogs that are still up and functioning. I must say most of the so called hate and bickering was not about other Idols as much as among themselves over who went to the most tour concerts, and who had personal contact with the Idol, who wanted to make rules over what could be discussed, etc. I really found more real hate and unpleasant people on the non-fan Idol sites. Vote for the Worst probably leads the way with several others mention here.I am an Adam fan and know there are BSC fans for him, but I find more that aren’t and many of them post here. I do check a few Adam sites on occasion when looking for certain things that I think will show up faster there, but mainly come here each day as Adam gets good coverage here. I have come to the realization over the last few years that MJ runs the fairest and most intersting Idol blog.

think you’re right, Danny does have some piano skills, not sure about guitar ‘“ I’m pretty sure the pictures we’ve seen of him with one were of Kris’s guitar. Though, the statement about him not using them on the show is interesting. I think it couold have provided him with a real moment ‘“ both for the surprise of it as well as a new aspect of his performance, similar to when Kris was suddenly on keyboard for ANS. Truthfully, I think he could only benefit from being able to play an instrument when he’s out there ‘“ it adds another facet to him.

The only comment I remember from Danny personally about the piano was answering a question on twitter, when he said he did play, but hadn’t been practicing much (that was on the AI tour, when even Scott said he really had no way to practice piano).

Danny did tell Ryan on air during AI8 that he’d bought a guitar with the idea to learn it on tour. He may also have played with Kris’s guitar, not sure on that.

This is the pic with Matt & Danny recently, which is the first time I got a sense personally that maybe Danny really has had enough time/practice to pick up a little guitar ability. This may have been taken at Ivan’s house where Danny seems to be staying for now. Believe Ivan has a recording studio of some sort.

http://twitpic.com/u4mc5 (of course, being Matt and Danny they have the duuuuu faces going on here, lol)

The ‘secret’  thread (which is not so secret) is now truly a open topic thread.

It most certainly is not! You can’t read that thread unless you’re a registered member. I just tried!

BTW, a lot of fan boards have private (i.e., locked) threads, and they’re not all designed for bashing other contestants or blogs. Sometimes they’re just so people can have more private “meet and greets” and share ripped music on the honor system (i.e., promising to buy it when and if it goes up for sale). I don’t post on DCO much anymore because it just gets way too in-bred for my tastes and is harder than hell to read, but I’m a regular at DC=42 and they, like MJ, have very strict rules about not dissing other posters or attacking other fan bases.

On every fan forum ever created.

Oh for sure. Usually several layers deep. You’ve got the part of the forum that everyone can see. The part of the forum that registered posters can see. And then there’s the super sekrit forum that only the most trusted members of the clique can see.

The third layer gets created when the paranoia kicks in.

HA! So true! And then even those members form separate email groups.

allison’s on the AI reruns now:)

The third layer gets created when the paranoia kicks in.

You mean there are actual secret links to secret threads. Why do I feel like Neo from the Matrix who discovers that the world he lives in is a fantasy/computer program. So posters in the secret thread ‘plug in’  and go into the regular blogosphere, get information, and go back to their hovercraft?

Sadly the Adam fandom isn’t alone in this. This has happened in the Clay fandom as well, and I suspect others. Groups splinter and only the very bestest and I have found, most obsessive fans, get involved in the ‘super secret forums’. It’s ridiculous really because these type of fans end up being of the most detriment to the object of their obsession when they think they are bestest fans ever and their Idol couldn’t possibly survive without their support.

I can’t comment on PF because I haven’t been there. Like others, I went a couple of times and couldn’t navigate the site didn’t find it user friendly at.all. The one thing I can comment on is that I did notice that the core group was/is a group that used to be very active here.

The reason I went looking for an Adam site is because most of the Adam threads, here, turned into negativity. Pretty much every single thread, every single day. The problem, as I saw it, was that the people posting negative things, were allowed to say what they wanted “because it’s not an individual fan site and everyone is allowed to have their opinion.” MJ’s mod posts are always something like that. However, when Adam fans would dispute the negative things or try to defend Adam, we were always told to “stop being defensive.” Well, if people can post as much negative things as they want, but others can’t defend “their” Idol, then the thread becomes nothing but negative posts. It’s like the negativity was being protected. So, as an Adam fan, it has become very frustrating.

It saddens me that certain fans of Adam have for whatever reason have personally attacked MJ and how she runs her site. MJ you seem very angry and rightly so but please please be aware there are Adam fans who do appreciate your blog and the difficult almost impossible task you take on everyday to moderate it. I am one of those people. I do feel right now there is a slight slant on the uncalled for attack on you is not being balanced by the fact there are many many Adam fans who are not part of those attacks and do not agree with them.

HA! So true! And then even those members form separate email groups.

*nodding head* The fan forum I modded was basically destroyed by a poster who had a very small clique of friends she’d rile up via PM when things weren’t going her way.

Oy, the stories I could tell about my days modding a fan forum.

Just as obsessive as starting your own fan board and then making a thread whose sole purpose is to bitch about the board you just left and the posters there.

^^^A lot of fansites have secret threads, it is called off topics, but really they are not that secret because any one can read them. Adam has his own thread in a lot other idol sites and he gets a lot more comments more than the actual Idol. These threads are places to go to vent nothing more.
MJ, since you have been doing this for a long time you know there has to be a place for some to go and vent, your blog is not the only idol source so don’t feel like you are the sole target here. Your blog doesn’t hold a candle next to VFTW for the lynch mob mentality that goes on there.
I always felt that the headline threads should be the place for all idol fans to gather since the headline news pertain to all idols and it would limit you to clean up the mess in one place. As for an individual idol thread, I think the fans should be able to have fun and enjoy themselves without having trolls come in and ruining the party. I know you like to think that all should be open for discussions, but the reality is that one Idol fan really does not care what the other idol fans have to say about their idol especially when it is negative. It is silly to think that constructive criticism exist in Idol land, it just isn’t reality. There is nothing more joyful than to read news about your idol without someone popping in and slamming your idol. What is the point?I remember I had a friend one time read an Adam story here and she couldn’t believe the drama that went on here, she asked me how can read garbage like that. I had to tell her it was a good place to get Adam news, I don’t engage too much in the conversations just lurk.
So I hope it something to consider not allowing other fans of other idols in their threads.

So, as an Adam fan, it has become very frustrating

yeah,especially around thanksgiving . but I think it’s gotten better in the last couple of weeks..

Someday, MJ, I truly hope you write a book on the Idol fandoms and their lifecycles. Fascinating stuff. I enjoy your site and visit daily. So thanks for all your news and aggregated information — makes it very easy for me.

However, when Adam fans would dispute the negative things or try to defend Adam, we were always told to ‘stop being defensive.’  Well, if people can post as much negative things as they want, but others can’t defend ‘their’  Idol,

The posters who get moderated are the posters who haven’t learned to defend without attacking other posters, lecturing, or engaging in some other over the top activity.

I’m not going to name names, but there are fans here who defend their favorite time and time again, yet they’ve never been put in moderation.

Well, if people can post as much negative things as they want, but others can’t defend ‘their’  Idol, then the thread becomes nothing but negative posts. It’s like the negativity was being protected. So, as an Adam fan, it has become very frustrating.

I did feel this at times. But I’ve always come back because this is a great blog. But yeah, there were some posts that just brought up the same negative mean and out of context posts about Adam that were really frustrating. Naturally, it makes it hard to post the positive things that you want to post about others. sigh…..

The problem, as I saw it, was that the people posting negative things, were allowed to say what they wanted ‘because it’s not an individual fan site and everyone is allowed to have their opinion.’  MJ’s mod posts are always something like that. However, when Adam fans would dispute the negative things or try to defend Adam, we were always told to ‘stop being defensive.’  Well, if people can post as much negative things as they want, but others can’t defend ‘their’  Idol, then the thread becomes nothing but negative posts. It’s like the negativity was being protected. So, as an Adam fan, it has become very frustrating.

This is the same for me. I love the blog format (forums are damn difficult to navigate in!) and I love having discussions but when the thread about FYE turns into a rape discussion or the FYE video is about Adam dressing as a nazi it gets a bit too much. So I went looking for a fan forum as MJ kept telling us. That forum started from this frustration but it has developed since. I think it’s an OK place. There is definetely bitching going on sometimes but I always feel free to bitch back when I think someone goes too far or is being mean.

I know you like to think that all should be open for discussions, but the reality is that one Idol fan really does not care what the other idol fans have to say about their idol especially when it is negative.

All I can say to you, is, if that’s the way you feel, then you would probably be happier at a fan forum.

So I hope it something to consider not allowing other fans of other idols in their threads.

That’s called a fan forum, which my blog isn’t.

So I hope it something to consider not allowing other fans of other idols in their threads.

sure,but sometimes can’t you just skip the “bad ” posts? for ne personally when an Adam thread is REALLY slow,sometimes I go to another one.the discussion’s interesting.

btw,a little off-topic but thanks dhunken.you’ve ALWAYS provided great insightful posts,and
fantastic conversation.you rock

The posters who get moderated are the posters who haven’t learned to defend without attacking other posters, lecturing, or engaging in some other over the top activity.

Been there done that. I love this blog, I still think Adam sometimes is allowed to be over criticized, and I still don’t get all the stuff going on in the blogosphere.

I’ve also been “baited” more times than I can count.

So I hope it something to consider not allowing other fans of other idols in their threads.

so….. we could only be a fan of one idol? If I’m a fan of 2 or 3 or 4 idols..which thread do I gain admission to? Do we need a secret password?

But yeah, there were some posts that just brought up the same negative mean and out of context posts about Adam that were really frustrating.

You know, when this happens I just log off (as someone mentioned earlier) and try again later. I come here to feel good!

Oy, the stories I could tell about my days modding a fan forum.

Now I am dying to know WHO was the subject of the fan forum.

Been there done that. I still love this blog, I still think Adam sometimes is allowed to be over criticized, and I still don’t get all the stuff going on in the blogosphere.

I agree. I know what you are saying about being defensive, MJ, and I can see that some people truly are over defensive and it’s very tiresome but so is too much agressivity. It’s just not fun to read.

Wow, I haven’t even finished reading this thread but wanted to chime in before the site goes down for maintenence in 40 minutes.

Seriously, this blog is not the best place to get Adam news anymore and I am just hungry for my fix.

Really?? I’d love to know what Adam news has been neglected here. Is there something important happening with him I don’t know about? MJ posts all the Adam news that’s fit to print, from my perspective. I’m not sure I could take any more. I’m sated.

BTW, you’re all banned for talking about the blog on the blog!

A very belated Happy New Year to MJ and all of her peeps!

MJ:

Good luck with the update. As a newbie (less than a year) I’m still learning the ropes. I appreciate your guidelines and I am super excited for season 9 of AI. I love American Idol!!!!!!!!!!!! So corny but true!!!!

I still think Adam sometimes is allowed to be over criticized,

More than Danny, who was hammered for months for using his dead wife to win Idol? More than Kris, who was dogged so bad by one poster (oh, and the back slapping, and you-go-boy posts that would follow his nasty missives were rich) that Kris fans left my blog in droves?

This is the other thing. I have been modding my blog in the exact same way since 2005. But some stans only notice when their favorite is the target.

ETA: Oh, and there are fans who only want hearts and flowers for their favorite, but reserve the right to bash everything and everyone else.

I know you like to think that all should be open for discussions, but the reality is that one Idol fan really does not care what the other idol fans have to say about their idol especially when it is negative.

It really depends for me. When the post is made just to be hurtful or negative, yes, I don’t want to hear it. But when its made as a constructive criticism or as a correction or discussion on previous comments I certainly appreciate it.

I don’t want to think Adam walks on water or even that he can heal all my woes. I want to be able to appreciate this insanely talented man who sometimes lets his creative whims overwhelm his business sense. I want to be able to say I love the CD but hate the cover. I love Adam all the more because I can see his flaws – and I can celebrate all the more when he overcomes them.

On the other hand I want to try to understand how it is possible for someone not to like Adam or David Cook as much as I do, or know why someone likes some of the idol contestants for which I don’t have an appreciation.

omg i so learned my fan forum lesson back in season 1 with justin g. There were battles between fan forums: justin’s house versus justin’s world. I didn’t know what the heck was going on, I was always lost and couldn’t keep up with all the inner workings and shenanigans going on between forums and within forums. I was a fan of the guy and just wanted to know what was going on with him – but it grew so complicated and frustrating, this weird internet society. Fan forums are definitely strange funky places.

Someday, MJ, I truly hope you write a book on the Idol fandoms and their lifecycles. Fascinating stuff.

I’m with SashaB. I’d pre-order that sucker in a heartbeat. Through mj’s Amazon affiliate link, natch.

Am I doing that? Show me where I’ve called my blog perfect. I’m merely calling out the hearts and flowers crowd on their two-faced bullshit.

^^^I am not saying that you’ve called your blog perfect, I am just pointing out the fact that NO blog is perfect That would be unrealistic, the same way other sites that are being under attack.

And I have to say, I never got the shit from Danny fans that I could have gotten. I few angry emails, and some complaining on fan threads was about it.

^^^^Danny fans fled a LOOOONG time ago not enough time to get on your nerves like Adam fans have. You had a lot of Adam news this fall so they stayed around longer. Things have been calmer in the last two weeks there have been less Adam news and most of his fans are banned or put in moderation so that would explain things

Really?? I’d love to know what Adam news has been neglected here. Is there something important happening with him I don’t know about? MJ posts all the Adam news that’s fit to print, from my perspective. I’m not sure I could take any more. I’m sated.

BTW, you’re all banned for talking about the blog on the blog!

You are hilarious, will. Love your sense of humor. By the way, I totally agree with your “highlighted” statement.

Hi everyone, just delurking to say that I am a huge Adam’s fan, just adore him, but I also love David C, Kelly, Jordin and am interested in many more past AI contestants, and I love this site (after checking a few) because it is about everything about AI, it is current, well run and very user friendly, so thank you MJ for that! My experience here is that there are always multiple treads to choose from, today I am really appreciating the Gridlock one, (loads of fun for Adam’s fans there!), there is just no reason to bitch and complain just read what interests you, and skip the rest, IMHP.

BTW, I am pissed to no end that cablevision (my cable company) does not carry Fox reality, would have loved to see AI 8 rerun, so if MJ or anyone else here could post group performance videos (pls don’t laugh at me ppl) I would really appreciate it!

More than Danny, who was hammered for months for using his dead wife to win Idol? More than Kris, who was dogged so bad by one poster (oh, and the back slapping, and you-go-boy posts that would follow his nasty missives were rich) that Kris fans left my blog in droves?

This is the other thing. I have been modding my blog in the exact same way since 2005. But some stans only notice when their favorite is the target.

I have been trying to be a positive voice for Danny for quite awhile. (Because I don’t like what I’ve seen hatefully posted and because I truly think he has a nice voice and I like it.) And I never saw the mean posts about Kris, but probably because I don’t read exclusive Kris posts that often. I don’t know what a stans is and I like a lot of Idols. Adam is my favorite, but I’ve never even liked a singer before. I’ve been put in my place when I’ve been ott, but all I said was that I thought Adam has been overly criticized sometimes. Was that bad to say…. I didn’t say you overly criticised him. I meant some posters. But geez… I’m a nice person and I don’t hate anyone….

I don’t want to think Adam walks on water or even that he can heal all my woes

I do lol.see,I more or less worship this guy but ignore critisism about him.:)

Really?? I’d love to know what Adam news has been neglected here. Is there something important happening with him I don’t know about? MJ posts all the Adam news that’s fit to print, from my perspective. I’m not sure I could take any more. I’m sated.

This made me lol!

It seems for every BSC Adam fan there is a BSC non Adam fan. I must admit some of the anti Adam post were among the most bizarre ideas and post I’ve seen on this site. The problem seems to be that many of his detractor are as OTT as his fans are. I’m not sure the slandering post aimed at MJ is any worse than some made at Adam. Folks just need to nice up a bit. It really isn’t that hard. I’m old and have learned that most of negativity is a waste of time and energy.

Here is a youtube link on Adam NYE performance that has the best audio quality I have heard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISR4h8X6it8&feature=player_embedded#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORG6ylts5RI

Best of luck with the Maintenance MJ. Hope it goes smoothly for you.

MJ — I just wanted to comment on the Planet Fierce discussion — if this is off topic, then please delete my comment.

mj
01/02/2010 at 11:49 pm

So I wouldn’t pretend that this is a perfect blog.

Am I doing that? Show me where I’ve called my blog perfect. I’m merely calling out the hearts and flowers crowd on their two-faced bullshit.

There has never been a perfect blog — and there is most certainly not a perfect fan forum [which is what Planet Fierce is -- it is a fan forum, not a blog].

I give MJ a lot of credit for almost always staying out of this fandom fray — which in the crazy world of Idol is really hard to do. I have been pleased to be able to post here for the past several months because MJ has maintained a fan-neutral site.

But this is not an Adam fan site. Many people on this site would have no interest in the depth of news and information about Adam that we maintain on Planet Fierce. Planet Fierce is a fan forum with thousands and thousands and thousands of articles, thousands of videos, and even more comments — and 99% of the posts are about Adam — not about other performers or other blogs. Is it perfect? No. But it is Adam-centric. And for people who are interested in Adam, it is a great place to get accurate and complete information.

I don’t judge MJ by the individual comments that people make here, I don’t think that Planet Fierce or the members should be judged by a few old posts taken out of a very long thread with thousands of comments.

I am a very proud, passionate Adam fan, but I have always tried to be factually correct, fair and respectful when I post — here or on Planet Fierce. I haven’t always succeeded, and occassionally I have let my fandom get in the way of my better sense, but I believe that has been the exception not the rule.

But really “it isn’t all that deep” — it is just about some singers from a reality TV Show. 40 million Americans do not have jobs, we are engaged in two major wars, Israel and Iran are inches away from starting a third hot war, 2,700 people will die from malaria today — I could go on, but really is it that important?

sorry not ignore.rather,not take cristian to heart.just usually disagree.

iluvai a Stan is a stalker fan

Wow. So I’ve been gone for a bit, and just got back to reading and catching up, but upon reading this latest drama, I just wanted to speak up about my love of this blog and how much I appreciate the work MJ puts in to make this a fair, friendly and interesting place for fans of all idols. I also don’t have that much time to scour all the forums and fansites, nor do I prefer them, so MJ’s is really my one-stop shop to get the news I need.

The posters who get moderated are the posters who haven’t learned to defend without attacking other posters, lecturing, or engaging in some other over the top activity.

Will totally back up MJ on this. Posters debate and defend their faves all.the.time, as long as they do it in a sane, reasonable manner, and don’t get personal. I enjoy the balance of positive posters and critiques in each thread. Thanks for all you do, MJ!

MJ, you keep using Danny as a reference, but I personally dialed back my anti-danny sentiment very early on, and was almost chided for it, and told that it was my prerogative not to use a name that I had started calling him, and then felt badly about. I didn’t like him, but I didn’t like the mob mentality that surrounded him anymore that I like it about Adam. So that’s just another generalization thrown out here tonight.

I resent calling people stans when they feel the same way about mean spiritedness directed at anyone. The shit thrown at Adam was different this year imho. That’s not to say he didn’t get praise, of course he did, he had to many fans here for it to be totally unchecked but alot of it was crass, and just as crass as the Danny stuff.

Really?? I’d love to know what Adam news has been neglected here. Is there something important happening with him I don’t know about? MJ posts all the Adam news that’s fit to print, from my perspective. I’m not sure I could take any more. I’m sated.

I see people misunderstand my post. I didn’t mean, in any way, that MJ doesn’t post Adam news. I just meant that the juicy bits you got in the comment sections before doesn’t happen. Little rumors, small news. Tweets.

I am dead serious leaving with tears in my eyes….

I’ve only said nice things about MJ and the blog. Whatever…..

If Simon leaves Idol, we need a judge with some R&B/urban influence. The diversity in music of the contestants are always the same every year. Technically, we haven’t had any real R&B singers since Season 4.

I am dead serious leaving with tears in my eyes’ ¦.

I’ve only said nice things about MJ and the blog. Whatever’ ¦..

Don’t leave, please.

i love love this blog because there is no better place to see anything that is adam. the thing i cant understand is anyone coming into a thread about an idol they dont like and saying negative things. i love adam but i dont go into other idol’s threads and say anything negative about them, i just dont go in. i dont want to ruin anything for the fans that like them by stating my negative opinion, why would anyone want to do that?

i go into adam’s threads, find out anything new about him and am a very happy person.

Don’t leave, please.

well thanks. I guess we all have to leave in 15 minutes.

Not sure how I became an evil poster though…

What’s wrong Iluvai?
This is only a general discussion, right? I don’t think anyone directed anything directly to you

thanks luv…

stan.. stalker fan…

not me….

I am dead serious leaving with tears in my eyes’ ¦.

I’ve only said nice things about MJ and the blog. Whatever’ ¦..

Crap, what did I miss?

I am a very proud, passionate Adam fan, but I have always tried to be factually correct, fair and respectful when I post ‘” here or on Planet Fierce. I haven’t always succeeded, and occassionally I have let my fandom get in the way of my better sense, but I believe that has been the exception not the rule.

Yeah that!

i love love this blog because there is no better place to see anything that is adam. the thing i cant understand is anyone coming into a thread about an idol they dont like and saying negative things. i love adam but i dont go into other idol’s threads and say anything negative about them, i just dont go in. i dont want to ruin anything for the fans that like them by stating my negative opinion, why would anyone want to do that?

i go into adam’s threads, find out anything new about him and am a very happy person.

my sentiments exactly.

What’s wrong Iloveai?
This is only a general discussion, right? I don’t think anyone directed anything directly to you

oops. I thought MJ’s comment was directed at me. If I’m wrong… sorry!

Well I’m looking forward to tomorrow.

stan.. stalker fan’ ¦

not me’ ¦

iluvai, I don’t think that was directed at you, I think that was a separate point mj was trying to make. The stans for the most part have left lol, they will be back but there gone for now.

If Simon leaves Idol, we need a judge with some R&B/urban influence. The diversity in music of the contestants are always the same every year. Technically, we haven’t had any real R&B singers since Season 4.

I agree, I wouldl like to see more, but I don’t think it’s gonna happen. Sadly, alot of people seem to think R^B = boring. Syesha was boring, Melinda was boring, etc, etc. I think we won’t see many R^B singers this season. I will be delighted to be wrong though.

MJ is right that she treats all Idols the same and their fans. She really has a thankless task. We all get frustrated at times and feel that she is favoring “them” and not “us.”

I like this blog because it’s not a fan forum. I think a lot of people want it to continue to be that way. It’s a great place for news, and for general Idol discussion. This blog provides a valuable service to the Idols (promotion of their latest projects, for one thing) and a place for fans of Idol to discuss all the Idols and all the seasons.

The problem comes when a fans want to make this into a fan board, and don’t want criticism of their Idol. I have to say, the discussion about David Cook is mostly positive now, but it sure wasn’t that way after S7 ended. For a year there was a lot of fan warring between the cookie and archie fans. As a cookie fan, I felt that the archie fans baited and took potshots just to irritate. But the difference between cookie fans and Adam fans is, we didn’t make a big stink about it and attack mj about it and complain constantly about it. We respected her blog and her rules. We went off and formed a DC board and that is where one expects an Idol to be praised endlessly, not on a general Idol blog like this one.

As for the secret forums, to me they are paranoid and breed hatred. I saw what came out of the secret Clay Aiken forums, it was way over the top. Fans actually hiring private detectives to investigate others who weren’t “true fans” (and mostly they hunted fans who thought that Clay was gay and had no problem with it). Now it’s kind of ironic that the opposite is happening with Adam, some of his fans think that anyone who doesn’t care for him is homophobic. It’s funny to me that I was attacked by Clay fans for “having a gay agenda” and “trying to make Clay gay when he’s not,” while some Adam fans try to paint me as homophobic. The extremist hysteria is not good. We are just Idol fans talking about Idol here. (And I have to add, most Adam fans are not ott, but the ones who are do get noticed the most.)

I hope that Adam fans will see that people are expressing their thoughts here about Adam just like the other Idols. Definitely it hurts to hear your favorite criticized, but that’s what happens on an open Idol forum. It’s not a fan board, and shouldn’t be. There’s a place for both to coexist.

If you really need to vent, I suggest you do what grown-ups do with every other frustration in their lives — they write some scathing letter that says every vile thing they think and THEN THEY TEAR IT UP. Don’t make it email or a blog post — it’s too eash to press send by accident. The key is that venting does not need to be shared. Write it down. Rip it up.

It’s pretty weird to me that somebody desperately needs a place to vent about the meanness of the world (or a particular poster on the Internet) toward an American Idol contestant, yet they can somehow swallow all the annoyance coming from their jerk of a boss, narcissist spouse, mean mom or dad, roofer who can’t fix that leak, insurance company who won’t pay up, etc. Are we supposed to create special super sekrit forums to call them David Duke, too?

And I just read that one of these supposedly unbelievably mean comments that needed redress was that Adam was dressed like a Nazi in his video, when the director himself said they were going for Berlin c. 1935, when that would be, oh, I don’t know, maybe the Nazis?? It’s not saying he’s a Nazi in real life, just that that was the look of the costumes in FYE, WHICH IT WAS. Or maybe the director of the video is David Dukian, as well.

Yeah, MJ, I don’t know how you put up with this nonsense.

I agree, I wouldl like to see more, but I don’t think it’s gonna happen. Sadly, alot of people seem to think R^B = boring. Syesha was boring, Melinda was boring, etc, etc. I think we won’t see many R^B singers this season. I will be delighted to be wrong though.

abbysee, have you seen any of the spoilers at idf? I am a huge R&B fan, and I think us R&B fans might be in for some treats this year.

Mainegal
01/02/2010 at 11:52 pm

sweetni4 ..So I don’t think that it is only Adam fans who feel unwelcome here.

what????’ ¦.I’m an 100% over-the-top Adam fan and have always felt welcome here’ ¦.always.

^^^^ No more over-the-top fan than I am. I guess you missed all the knocked down drag out wars that occur some nights here. I didn’t say all Adam fans were unwelcomed here that is generalizing, But I have seen a lot of Danny’s fans express the same thing. So not to make a big deal out of this, but I think MJ does the best that she can and I for one as mostly a lurker would like the bashing to stop on all Idols. I don’t read other Idols because I am just not interested but I am sure it exist on all fronts.

mj
01/03/2010 at 12:14 am

HA! So true! And then even those members form separate email groups.

*nodding head* The fan forum I modded was basically destroyed by a poster who had a very small clique of friends she’d rile up via PM when things weren’t going her way.

Oy, the stories I could tell about my days modding a fan forum.

MJ, I can commiserate with you on that, I was a mod on a fanboard a couple of years ago and the damn thing imploded and it has left a bad taste in my mouth to this day. I take my love of Adam in moderated doses and it does not control me or my actions or thoughts. I post when and where I want but since the concert threads I rarely am on ay site for very much time except to read the news.

Things got really hot here in the recent past so I just went about RL and visited other sites but I eventually came back here for others points of view and discussion but learned who to avoid reading and where to limit my reading.

I am a very proud, passionate Adam fan

I am too. I just don’t like it when people generalize and group everyone together. There is good and bad in every group. I’ve been on Planet Fierce in the past and I’ve found it to post great updated info. on Adam. I haven’t read through the comment sections though so I can’t comment on that.

I’ve been on several Idol websites. And some (ex. VFTW, Top Idol) I stay away from. I personally don’t like negativity and those (particularly VFTW) is just a bunch of hate. Its just so unnecessary and pathetic to me to dedicate time, effort, and an entire site mocking people you don’t know. Rickey just has his favorites and pimps them so he’s harmless to me… annoying at times but harmless. lol I come to this blog because it has the most variety of information about all of the Idols, plus some other shows I like to watch. Plus, its the most neutral I’ve come across.

I will admit some of the comments are hard to respond to, particularly when you know there’s baiting involved. It was hard at first, but I’ve learned to ignore the hateful comments and move on, particularly since some screen names seem to be more negative than others…. Grant it, sometimes I can’t resist the bait, but I’m getting better. lol

mj
01/02/2010 at 11:27 pm
I’m a person who enjoys diversity. And choice. And hates unnecessary hate no matter where or how it’s generated.
Those getting in a tizzy over what’s being said ‘over there’ ’“ well, how is that different than what you are accusing them of doing?
Generalizations only fuel the nastiness we all say we abhor.

Oh please. You’ve completely MISSED MY POINT.

All I hear from certain members of THAT forum (a forum that would not even exist if it weren’t for my blog) is about how nasty my blog is. How terrible and nasty my posters are. And yet’ ¦.and yet’ ¦.just read the shit ya’ll are posting on your own site.

POT KETTLE BLACK That’s all I’m saying. You might want to clean up your own f*cking backyards before you criticize me, Top Idol, Vote for the Worst, Rickey or anybody else.

Y’all need to get off your high hypocritical horses is my point. Am I making myself clear?

Okay, I went away and came back to read this. MJ, I can see you’re really angry. The point I was trying to make is that not everyone who posts at the other backyard is doing this, and to lump everyone in the same black kettle is tiresome and unfair.
It’s not fair to judge that place because of a few posters.
Just as it would be unfair to judge your blog by every weird troll who jumps in to cause trouble.

Hypocritical? High horse? Where is this coming from? I wasn’t trying to upset you, and I believe I made a valid point.

And for the record, I have stated there– more than once– that I was grateful to your blog for bringing us together. Others have said the same. Please. Don’t paint everyone with the same brush.

As a cookie fan, I felt that the archie fans baited and took potshots just to irritate. But the difference between cookie fans and Adam fans is, we didn’t make a big stink about it and attack mj about it and complain constantly about it. We respected her blog and her rules.

I think the generalizations are tough because I suspect there were some Cook fans that got upset and responded just as there are Adam fans that get upset and respond.

Also, don’t forget the very real issue of homophobia which has resulted in a lot horrible things being said about Adam, which I think make Adam fans more protective of him. I wasn’t here for the Cook days, but I can’t imagine what was posted was as bad as the stuff that is/has been thrown at Adam.

As a cookie fan, I felt that the archie fans baited and took potshots just to irritate. But the difference between cookie fans and Adam fans is, we didn’t make a big stink about it and attack mj about it and complain constantly about it.

Its not fair to group. Adam fans are no more a monotomous group than any other group of fans.

I don’t get why people get upset about Adam news. Because if there is news about Adam or any idol, then MJ posts it.

MJ does post about all of the Idols, but there’s no way that she can post every article about every Idol every day. She has to make editorial decisions, just like every other news outlet or blog. Sometimes those decisions are even-handed, sometimes they overwhelming favor 1 Idol, generally the most recent runner-up, whether it’s David Archuleta after season 7, or Adam after S8. I avoid the headlines thread when it gets to that point, but I’ve seen Kris and DC and fans leave in droves at times too.

I wasn’t here for the Cook days, but I can’t imagine what was posted was as bad as the stuff that is/has been thrown at Adam.

As usual, Adam is always the most mostest who ever mosted. People do have strong opinions about other Idols, not just Adam.

i love adam but i dont go into other idol’s threads and say anything negative about them, i just dont go in. i dont want to ruin anything for the fans that like them by stating my negative opinion, why would anyone want to do that?

Because the fans don’t own any of the threads, they aren’t closed threads just for fans. Also, this will all die down after next season and the topic moves on to the next set of Idols. Right now, Adam and Kris and Danny are still fresh off the show and are being discussed by many, not just by fans. If you see this happen year after year, you’ll realize that Adam wasn’t being singled out by anyone.

Its not fair to group. Adam fans are no more a monotomous group than any other group of fans.

Excellent point, and true up to a point. However I never see Adam fans disagreeing with the OTT ones, and giving a different pov. Maybe it would help if that happened.

Also, don’t forget the very real issue of homophobia which has resulted in a lot horrible things being said about Adam, which I think make Adam fans more protective of him. I wasn’t here for the Cook days, but I can’t imagine it what was posted was as bad as the stuff that is/has been thrown at Adam.

I lurked here back then as a Cookie fan. To be honest it wasn’t even close to this.

Its not fair to group. Adam fans are no more a monotomous group than any other group of fans.

monogomous? monotonous? homogenous? lol

If you really need to vent, I suggest you do what grown-ups do with every other frustration in their lives ‘” they write some scathing letter that says every vile thing they think and THEN THEY TEAR IT UP. Don’t make it email or a blog post ‘” it’s too eash to press send by accident. The key is that venting does not need to be shared. Write it down. Rip it up.

It’s pretty weird to me that somebody desperately needs a place to vent about the meanness of the world (or a particular poster on the Internet) toward an American Idol contestant, yet they can somehow swallow all the annoyance coming from their jerk of a boss, narcissist spouse, mean mom or dad, roofer who can’t fix that leak, insurance company who won’t pay up, etc. Are we supposed to create special super sekrit forums to call them David Duke, too?

Hee. Good point.

RE: Simon and Nigel, I’m torn. I really prefer the Nigel school of thought where the focus of the show is TALENT over STORY. And I do enjoy SYTYCD… but honestly, I do sometimes end up muting Nigel when he gets overly verbose in his judging comments… which is like, every critique. I don’t always agree with Simon, but he, at least, is usually quite concise. In my ideal world, Nigel goes back to *producing* Idol and influencing the contestant choices, and we get someone to replace Simon that’s more like an interested, invested, less “character-contestant-obsessed” version of Simon.

plz don’t leave iluvai.ozarka calling u homophobic is ridiculous.mj,I hope you know how awesome I think you are,putting up with all my shit((Esp.REALLY off-topic rants during the tour) good luckwith th update

abbysee, have you seen any of the spoilers at idf? I am a huge R&B fan, and I think us R&B fans might be in for some treats this year.

I hope so!! R&B is such a huge contributor to American music. I don’t understand why it goes mostly ignored on American Idol. Give me a break here!!!

Its not fair to group. Adam fans are no more a monotomous group than any other group of fans.

monogomous? monotonous? homogenous? lol

hahaha. I should have double checked the spelling with that one. Something me and Adam have in common, we can’t spell!! No wonder I’m a fan of his!! lol

unique28v
01/03/2010 at 1:01 am
Its not fair to group. Adam fans are no more a monotomous group than any other group of fans.

monogomous? monotonous? homogenous? lol

hahaha. I should have double checked the spelling with that one. Something me and Adam have in common, we can’t spell!! No wonder I’m a fan of his!! lol

Honey – I have no idea if I’m spelling any of those words right – I’m so tired I can’t see straight, so I best go to bed!

Also, don’t forget the very real issue of homophobia which has resulted in a lot horrible things being said about Adam, which I think make Adam fans more protective of him.

Believe me, I know about homophobia and I feel sorry for anyone who faces it. However to call everyone who criticizes Adam homophobic is just wrong to do. It’s a witch hunt in reverse, actually.

Personally I like the mix of news on all the performers that is available here at mj’s site, and I don’t necessarily want to be talking all the time with people who only agree with me. On the other hand, I don’t think it’s very attractive when anyone questioning some aspect about a particular performer gets blindly characterized as a bigot (homophobe usually in Adam’s case), to include mj taking that kind of criticism in moderating her own site.

Frankly as a fan of Danny’s (among others), I would feel awfully weird to be countering anyone who doesn’t like him by making a blanket assumption that they must all be anti-Christian/anti-religious bigots. And in general I just don’t get the idea of spending my time posting comments about performers / tv personalities I have no real interest in. If I don’t like them, why spend my time and energy thinking of rude things to say about them, much less posting it on the Internet for everyone else to read. (Realizing that this is a site where posting opinions about the performers is allowed, even if negative ones.)

for iluvai — your fairmindedness in the Danny threads has been noticed and appreciated by more than just me. Hope you stay on here.

undercooked
01/03/2010 at 12:56 am

As a cookie fan, I felt that the archie fans baited and took potshots just to irritate. But the difference between cookie fans and Adam fans is, we didn’t make a big stink about it and attack mj about it and complain constantly about it. We respected her blog and her rules.

I think the generalizations are tough because I suspect there were some Cook fans that got upset and responded just as there are Adam fans that get upset and respond.

Also, don’t forget the very real issue of homophobia which has resulted in a lot horrible things being said about Adam, which I think make Adam fans more protective of him. I wasn’t here for the Cook days, but I can’t imagine what was posted was as bad as the stuff that is/has been thrown at Adam.

Very insightful post undercooked, and yes with the overwhelming hate that is spewed at Adam his fans get very protective, and he is facing a different type of hate. But some fans cannot dial back their anger and some fans love to bait and unfortunately that is a part of fandom that is very real and which I cannot stand. Nor can I stand the attacks on the fans and especially individual fans. Learn to ignore certain posters, or log off has become my motto.

Wow – this is a crappy way to start the new year. I have only read 3 or 4 pages, so I don’t know what started this, but I have a good idea what did! I came to this site, by accident, when someone at Rickey’s mentioned it. I was new to AI due to David Cook, and was on that site to listen to cellcasts. I joined here to read and post about David Cook. I didn’t read the “rules”, so I was very upset and confused when negative posts about DC were made. MJ very nicely explained this wasn’t a fan forum, and then I had to make the choice to stay or leave. She pulls info together like no other AI site and I stayed because it is one great site! I hate to see her being and ripped apart. I appreciate what she does here. Give MJ a break, she does an awesome job!

Of course it happens in every fanbase, of course Adam is not the only one. Its always a small group that takes up the battlecry and goes to war against mj (and everyone who posts here). Nothing new. And the complaint is always the same… At what point is a negative opinion of one’s favorite baiting? Some people will always think the existence of regular posters who hate their favorite and repeatedly say so are proof positive of mjs “bias” – while ignoring fans of their favorite who repeatedly take swipes at other idols, often the “rival”. LOL. Until you learn the fine are of ignoring the OTT hate and respectfully responding to the rest, you will be unhappy IMO. It just isn’t that serious I think. Nobody in the real world gives a shit what we say anyway.

plz don’t leave iluvai.

I’m not leaving my fave blog. I think I was misunderstood or I misunderstood.

Believe me, I know about homophobia and I feel sorry for anyone who faces it. However to call everyone who criticizes Adam homophobic is just wrong to do. It’s a witch hunt in reverse, actually.

I never said that, and if you go back a few pages, you will see I made it very clear in a couple of posts that not all fans who dislike Adam are homophobic. My point was that there are different issues at play with Adam than there were with David Cook which perhaps make Adam fans more sensitive and defensive than perhaps Cook fans. If you go back in to the posts I am referring to, I also stated the some Adam fans see homophobia where it doesn’t exists.

iluvai
01/03/2010 at 12:17 am

Well, if people can post as much negative things as they want, but others can’t defend ‘their’  Idol, then the thread becomes nothing but negative posts. It’s like the negativity was being protected. So, as an Adam fan, it has become very frustrating.

I did feel this at times. But I’ve always come back because this is a great blog. But yeah, there were some posts that just brought up the same negative mean and out of context posts about Adam that were really frustrating. Naturally, it makes it hard to post the positive things that you want to post about others. sigh’ ¦..

^^^This is exactly how I feel.

mj
01/03/2010 at 12:20 am

I know you like to think that all should be open for discussions, but the reality is that one Idol fan really does not care what the other idol fans have to say about their idol especially when it is negative.

All I can say to you, is, if that’s the way you feel, then you would probably be happier at a fan forum.

So I hope it something to consider not allowing other fans of other idols in their threads.

That’s called a fan forum, which my blog isn’t.

^^^But that seems to always be your answer, go to a fan forum.
I really don’t think that is fair. I simply made a suggestion and got dismissed with that answer. When you have your days when banning
everyone I go back and read the posts in Adam threads and when I see no negative posts it is such wonderful reading but to be honest a lot of times the negative post do get left on and it comes across like Adam is this monster of a human being.

Very insightful post undercooked, and yes when the overwhelming hate that is spewed at Adam his fans get very protective, and he is facing a different type of hate. But some fans cannot dial back their anger and some fans love to bait and unfortunately that is a part of fandom that is very real and which I cannot stand. Nor can I stand the attacks on the fans and especially individual fans. Learn to ignore certain posters, or log off has become my motto.

I never got the sense that people who didn’t like Adam were homophobes. I think some people don’t like Adam because they don’t like his over the top theatrics, persona, voice, etc. Or they don’t like him because he’s been given over the top media attention. Or because he had so many active internet fans: glamberts, lamb skanks, etc. He’s a polarizing figure and all of the attention is sadly bound to bring backlash.

Nobody in the real world gives a shit what we say anyway.

LOL. I think this is the truest statement I’ve read on this blog tonight! What a dose of reality!!

I lurked here back then as a Cookie fan. To be honest it wasn’t even close to this.

I have to disagree. From my pespective, there were some very mean things said about cookie, from his head shape to his balding hair to his beard to his personality and his singing, there was a lot of it that bothered me. I don’t think that Adam has gotten worse treatment at all. Just has been very over-defended is how it seems to me. People are generally afraid to say a word about Adam, because of the OTT defense, and I think that many left the board becuase it became all about Adam, and not free discussion either. But I am glad the new season is starting so things will shift to new subjects, hopefully.

and yes when the overwhelming hate that is spewed at Adam his fans get very protective, and he is facing a different type of hate.

I have seen no overwhelming hate or even any hate on this blog towards Adam. Much less “a different type of hate.” I think that some fans overreact and misinterpret comments made about Adam here. I don’t doubt there is “overwhelming hate” expressed about him elsewhere on the internet, but definitely not here.

But that seems to always be your answer, go to a fan forum. I really don’t think that is fair.

Because this truly is not a fan forum, and it’s fair because mj has stated consistently every year that this is not a fan forum for any of the Idols, and she has to repeat it often to fans of all the Idols, not just Adam.

Learn to ignore certain posters, or log off has become my motto.

Yup! I also just skip over certain posters. There are a lot of regulars on this blog so you kind of already know what is going to be typed before you read it!

for iluvai ‘” your fairmindedness in the Danny threads has been noticed and appreciated by more than just me. Hope you stay on here.

Well thanks. I only post what I really mean.

MJ, aren’t you turning us off now….lol….That refers to the update the site post. I’m turning myself off now… lol

Oh and David Cook fans? Some of them did the EXACT SAME THING last year. Archie fans too. Same shit, different day.

I lurked here back then as a Cookie fan. To be honest it wasn’t even close to this.

I’ve watched every season of AI. The one person I can think of off the top of my head that received just as much hate as Adam or even moreso is Fantasia. She still gets it from the Idol bubble! And I honestly don’t get the hate towards her.

ptslittlecomment
01/03/2010 at 12:31 am
“I know you like to think that all should be open for discussions, but the reality is that one Idol fan really does not care what the other idol fans have to say about their idol especially when it is negative.”

It really depends for me. When the post is made just to be hurtful or negative, yes, I don’t want to hear it. But when its made as a constructive criticism or as a correction or discussion on previous comments I certainly appreciate it.

I don’t want to think Adam walks on water or even that he can heal all my woes. I want to be able to appreciate this insanely talented man who sometimes lets his creative whims overwhelm his business sense. I want to be able to say I love the CD but hate the cover. I love Adam all the more because I can see his flaws ‘“ and I can celebrate all the more when he overcomes them.

On the other hand I want to try to understand how it is possible for someone not to like Adam or David Cook as much as I do, or know why someone likes some of the idol contestants for which I don’t have an appreciation.

I agree with your entire post. After having spent waaaaaaay too much time on a few David Cook centric forums, I realized that I was becoming too invested, and came to MJ’s to hopefully gain some perspective. I’ll be honest, at first I thought my head was going to explode, as there was some really personal, cruel and nasty stuff being said in here about Cook not so very long ago. And I’m sure other idols also, but naturally I had tunnel-vision and focussed on the negativity against MY beloved idol.

But I have come to love this site almost as much as I love Cook. It doesn’t just tolerate, but celebrates, the differences of opinion, and provides a dose of reality. A heated but reasoned debate is always fun. I am now able to generally ignore the really nasty posts about any of the idols, because really, why argue against a ridiculous comment that the majority of posters here are far, far, far too smart to be swayed by. I have learned so much in here about all of the idols, and my mind has been truly opened.

I know it is hard to see the forest for the trees, and sometimes it seems like one’s own idol is being unjustly crucified, but as a non-invested viewer of S8, I think that Scott, Danny, Anoop, Megan, etc. all had, proportionally, just as much vitriol spewed against them in here, as Adam did. Obviously Adam generates many more posts, so conversely, there will be many more negative posts, but I suspect that the percentage of negative to positive posts is probably pretty comparable. Mainly it is a sign of Adam’s overwhelming popularity. Everybody loves to take the front-runner down a peg or two. It is human nature, and not unique to this blog. LOL.

total change of subject — pic tweeted by Matt, lol

http://twitpic.com/wgs4n

Nobody in the real world gives a shit what we say anyway.

LOL. I think this is the truest statement I’ve read on this blog tonight! What a dose of reality!!

well that made me laugh too… But we care which is why we are here. lol..

From my pespective

Ding ding ding!!! You will more likely notice and will be stung by the criticism directed toward your favorite.

People are generally afraid to say a word about Adam

Really?

Okay, I went away and came back to read this. MJ, I can see you’re really angry. The point I was trying to make is that not everyone who posts at the other backyard is doing this, and to lump everyone in the same black kettle is tiresome and unfair.
It’s not fair to judge that place because of a few posters.
Just as it would be unfair to judge your blog by every weird troll who jumps in to cause trouble.

Hypocritical? High horse? Where is this coming from? I wasn’t trying to upset you, and I believe I made a valid point.

And for the record, I have stated there’“ more than once’“ that I was grateful to your blog for bringing us together. Others have said the same. Please. Don’t paint everyone with the same brush.

Adamaloha I agree that even fans of one particular Idol are not all the same and have differing of opinions.

People on the internet blow off steam at different places and usually forget about what was said and life goes on.

And I am always grateful that this is the site that brought so many people together.

But really ‘it isn’t all that deep’  ‘” it is just about some singers from a reality TV Show. 40 million Americans do not have jobs, we are engaged in two major wars, Israel and Iran are inches away from starting a third hot war, 2,700 people will die from malaria today ‘” I could go on, but really is it that important?

Ugh I hate when posters use that expression to shut down discussion. I’ve actually tried to put the expression in my filter so the posts get pulled.

Having said that, this has been my point all along. Why get bent out of shape when some reality show contestant you don’t know and will never know and, what’s more, will never care about you, get’s criticized on a dumb blog? I don’t get it.

I still think Adam sometimes is allowed to be over criticized,

It’s deja vu all over again. One idol hasn’t been over criticized over another. This happens every year, just a different name attached to it. Last year it was Cookie and Archie. This year Kris and Adam. We are all just overinvested fans and get our feelings hurt when someone doesn’t like our idol. It’s human nature to want your feelings validated and take offense when they are not.

MJ love your blog though sometimes I get myself into trouble with you. Sorry.

Ding ding ding!!! You will more likely notice and will be stung by the criticism directed toward your favorite.

Bingo. And you win the cigar!

I never said that, and if you go back a few pages, you will see I made it very clear in a couple of posts that not all fans who dislike Adam are homophobic.

I didn’t say you said it, I said that it is wrong for it to happen. That doesn’t mean that you are doing it. I’m talking about the ones who think that all criticism of Adam comes from homophobia.

But I’ll add this. You say that “not all fans who dislike Adam are homophobic.” I’d change it to “most fans who dislike Adam are probably not homophobic, or at least, shouldn’t be assumed to be unless they indicate otherwise.” Myself I liked him on the show, became disenchanted with him afterwards, but I knew he was gay on the show and believe me I love gay guys. It has hurt me to be called homophobic and to be treated the way I’ve been treated by some of the Adam fans here. It was very hurtful.

Having said that, this has been my point all along. Why get bent out of shape when some reality show contestant you don’t know and will never know and, what’s more, will never care about you, get’s criticized on a dumb blog? I don’t get it.

Well don’t bite that hand that feeds ya!

Unless us posters have nothing to do with with why you have this Blog.

But I have come to love this site almost as much as I love Cook. It doesn’t just tolerate, but celebrates, the differences of opinion, and provides a dose of reality. A heated but reasoned debate is always fun.

This is true for me too! The fan boards (of anyone) can get to be too much sometimes, everyone having to be positive and careful what they say, and actually worshipping a singer when it’s not good to worship anyone. A “dose of reality” is a good thing, and while some comments here do hurt, it is still a breath of fresh air to hear the free exchange of honest opinions. That is a very valuable thing.

But really ‘it isn’t all that deep’ 

I’ve come to dread that phrase too, as it is used to discourage discussion. Actually some of the themes we discuss here are kind of deep, other times they are frivolous, but that phrase reminds me of “lighten up” which bugs me sometimes too. It’s a way to dismiss people.

It has hurt me to be called homophobic and to be treated the way I’ve been treated by some of the Adam fans here. It was very hurtful.

It goes both ways oceana, it goes both ways. I have been personally hurt by things that you have posted and left here because of that.

It has hurt me to be called homophobic and to be treated the way I’ve been treated by some of the Adam fans here. It was very hurtful.

I’m sorry that happened to you. And you are correct, I think it’s only a small percentage of people who dislike Adam because of homophobia. They are just a very vocal group. I haven’t seen many homophobic comments here. I was mostly speaking about comments I see attached to news and magazine articles, oh and the you tubes! Really mean and vile comments about Adam. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Oh and by the way? I don’t have a login at Planet Fierce. I wouldn’t touch that place with a 10 foot pole.

Ya’ll are getting mocked over on the VFTW point and laugh thread, that’s how I found out about all this bullshit.

People tell me things. People send me things. This for instance:

Since you are obviously snooping over here just thought I’d address you directly. I would do it on your site but YOU KICKED ME AND ALL THE ADAM FANS OUT ONE BY ONE. You think it is HIGHLARIOUS to keep people in moderation and have them grovel to get out of it- THAT is why we all came here.

That’s just a snip of the post I JUST received via email. And I hear, from people who know, that the bashing of my site and my readers is going on as we speak.

I realize that there are people posting at PF who aren’t bat shit cray cray. Complaining about my generalizing is just a way to miss and deflect from the larger point I was making.

I was speaking about comments I see attached to news and magazine articles, oh and the you tubes! Really mean and vile comments about Adam. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

There are many mean spirited people that troll You-tube videos. Adam is not the only that gets vile comments. They’re occurring on David Cook videos, too. I’ve learned to ignore them.

A lot of people from here go over there to vent, since MJ doesn’t allow posters to criticise each other.

So how is TopIdol different than the secret room at Planet Fierce? (I just spent a long time over there) Doesn’t the same thing go on?

Their “secret room” is a thread you can see if you register.(It took me one minute.) It has all types of posts in it. Some of them are long posts from Kris/Adam fans. Alot of them are concerning frustrations that people have at mjs. Many are negative about Kris.

I’ve seen some posts at Kris fansites about Adam that made me cringe. Adam fans are not unique in their negative posts about “the other guy”. That’s what happens on fan sites sometimes.

Unless us posters have nothing to do with with why you have this Blog.

What?

Well don’t bite that hand that feeds ya!

Unless us posters have nothing to do with with why you have this Blog.

Seriously? “Posters” in the general sense =/= posters who get bent out of shape upon every little critique of his/her Idol, to the point where they tear MJ apart on fansites. I don’t think batshit crazies really qualify as “the hand that feeds” this blog.

But that seems to always be your answer, go to a fan forum.
I really don’t think that is fair. I simply made a suggestion and got dismissed with that answer.

Yeah… but the suggestion to disallow “non-fan” posters from Idol-specific posts… that makes no sense if you actually understand the fundamental difference between this blog and a fansite. Not every suggestion you make will get “dismissed” with that answer… but every suggestion you make that involves turning this blog into a fansite… probably will.

It goes both ways oceana, it goes both ways. I have been personally hurt by things that you have posted and left here because of that.

I’m sorry to hear that. However I have said things about Adam (and about Danny and others) and I have not said things about you have I? Have I accused you of being homophobic? If someone disagrees with a comment I make about Adam, they should address that topic and argue their side of it, not personally attack me for doing what we are supposed to do on this blog, and being within the guidelines here. And believe me I have tried to stay out of the Adam threads for the most part. To me he has seemed “special” in that people can’t criticize him out of fear of being attacked by some of the fans.

p.s. Undercooked: It’s all good : )

OK. Ugh. I’m a half hour late on my maintenance. I have to turn the blog off now….

Ya’ll are getting mocked over on the VFTW point and laugh thread,

Once again, isn’t THIS the same nastiness that we are complaining about? I would never go somewhere and post vile and nasty things about another idol or their fans. So, it bothers me when others do this about Adam and his fans. I don’t think any of it is funny.

I realize that there are people posting at PF who aren’t bat shit cray cray. Complaining about my generalizing is just a way to miss and deflect from the larger point I was making.

MJ, I am sorry you feel I was complaining. I wasn’t. Like you, I was trying to make a point.

First, I’m sorry you’re getting blasted by some people.

But isn’t it to be expected?

You run a famous blog. You are, believe it or not, a public figure. You get quoted in other blogs and in news articles. If I were you I’d be WORRIED if people WEREN’T talking about me. You have rules and people who don’t understand or don’t like them complain.
But you put yourself out there and, like Adam or Kris or even Perez Hilton, you’re open to comment, criticism, love and hate. You inspire passion on both sides because people are passionate about the people your blog focuses on.

If you get mad when people take snipes at you I worry for your health, because I don’t think it’ll stop. There are millions of people who know who you are and a percentage of them isn’t going to like you.
As Adam says (sorry), It comes with the territory. You need a thicker skin to be a cyber celebrity. And that’s what you are.

As for VFTW ridiculing PF? Silly, isn’t it?

If you get mad when people take snipes at you I worry for your health, because I don’t think it’ll stop. There are millions of people who know who you are and a percentage of them isn’t going to like you.

No kidding. I’ve been dealing with this for years, and I really don’t care. Believe me, I knew for weeks there were people at PF trashing me. What sent me over the edge was that one particularly nasty post, coupled with people who continually complain that I and my posters are nasty.

Nasty as comparing me to David Duke?

It doesn’t make PF any better than my blog, any better than Top Idol or Vote for the Worst. Sorry. The only reason I posted wasn’t to cause a shit storm, but to call out the the hypocrisy. That’s it.

ETA: I found out who was behind that post. Of course, I already had it figured out. The meanspirited tone is unmistakable.

I just wonder if that post was followed by the flurry of backslapping that would typically follow one of his bon mots here at mjs.

Ya’ll are getting mocked over on the VFTW point and laugh thread,

Talk about cray-cray… Look up CRAZY in the dictionary and there will be a link to VFTW there.

Hurray for PAGE NUMBERS!!!!
Oooo… and for Show All!!

VFTW is not a fansite. So to compare what they do there, and what goes on at PF is apples and oranges. I don’t know why, as a fan of an idol, anyone would purposefully go there if they have such thin skin. They mock Idols and their fans…it’s what they do. They are equal opportunity however…they will bash all fans/idols if given the opportunity. (I don’t think that they bash MJ however) IMO the posters at PF are leaving themselves wide open. At least VFTW is not hypocritical…you know EXACTLY what you’re going to get there. The hypocrisy of what they are bitching about @ at PF is the ridiculous part! You can’t be all holier than thou, and then turn around and be ten times worse yourself.

@deez *clap clap clap* Exaaaactly.

I hate to see PF take such a hit here as it is not better or no worse than other fan sites. I don’t like that it is being singled out. You go to any fan site and I’ve been to Taylor’s and Cook’s and now Adams and you see about the same thing. I have also seen remarks about MJ on some of Taylor’s sites, not sure about Cook’s. Planet Fierce is basically a fan site and functions very well as one just as MJs does as AI site. I stay away from sites I don’t like VFTW and a few others. As an Adam fan, I object to singleling out a fan site. I’ve seen some very negative things about Rickey’s here, just say’n.

I dunno, I think I’d be po’d at being likened to David Dukes myself, can’t say I blame MJ here.

After the experience I had with the Clay fandom, I’ve given up on fansites and that’s why I like this blog. I don’t get such a one-sided view of things and get all the information I need. Win, win for me but obviously not for everyone.

Huh. so this is the much talked about meltdown. Interesting to see all the backpeddling considering plenty of people have seen that thread and taken note of who said what.

And extra interesting is that some of those saying the worst stuff or allowed the worst stuff to go unchallenged are the same peeps who huff and puff about how nasty VFTW is. Hey, at least the peeps at VFTW are open about what they think, don’t deny it when asked if they said it, and don’t turn around and try to suck up to those they bash.

And extra interesting is that some of those saying the worst stuff or allowed the worst stuff to go unchallenged are the same peeps who huff and puff about how nasty VFTW is. Hey, at least the peeps at VFTW are open about what they think, don’t deny it when asked if they said it, and don’t turn around and try to suck up to those they bash.

Very well said. MJ mentioned hypocrisy from the get-go, and she hit that nail on the head.

But that seems to always be your answer, go to a fan forum.
I really don’t think that is fair. I simply made a suggestion and got dismissed with that answer. When you have your days when banning
everyone I go back and read the posts in Adam threads and when I see no negative posts it is such wonderful reading but to be honest a lot of times the negative post do get left on and it comes across like Adam is this monster of a human being.

Sometimes the “go to a fan forum” answer is the only solution for people so invested in one contestant that they are no longer really AI fans so much as fans of “contestant x.”

When you feel compelled to defend, defend, defend, as if you are the person’s mother, whenever you see them mocked or joked about or simply disliked, it’s time to take it to a fan forum.

When you see said mocking, joking, or dislike and you think the whole world takes things as seriously as you and will think Adam is a monster, time to go to the fan forum.

When you see some form of discrimination or some sort of plot to ruin your favorite within those mocking, joking, disliking comments, it’s time to join the fan forum.

And by join the fan forum I don’t mean continue to come here and give yourself heartburn because people still won’t conform to your view of “Contestant x” as the be all and end all. I don’t get why anybody would still come to mjs if they admit they are more a fan of one person than of the show itself.

If you can’t make it at TWoP you can’t make it here. Don’t get pissy with mj just because she won’t let you dictate who goes into your contestants threads or because YOU couldn’t contain your defensiveness when somebody mocked or joked about your favorite. mj doesn’t favor anybody or anything except the posters who GET how to post on a non-fansite. If you are getting modded and banned you probably don’t get it and need to get gone.

So let’s see. I’ve been in moderation since I first joined PF and posted some true facts about the owner of this blog in the padded room thread there. Never broke the rules here.

edit: Total and complete HOGWASH. You were put in moderation because you broke my rules PERIOD.

Wow Naill. I had no intention of posting in here, but that was so perfectly put I had to give you props. I wish we still had that clapping smiley. Very well said.

Don’t get pissy with mj just because she won’t let you dictate who goes into your contestants threads or because YOU couldn’t contain your defensiveness when somebody mocked or joked about your favorite. mj doesn’t favor anybody or anything except the posters who GET how to post on a non-fansite. If you are getting modded and banned you probably don’t get it and need to get gone.

I agree Niall. As a new poster, I found myself at times a little too quick with the keystrokes toward a post I found offensive and was modded a couple of times (not pleasant!). The experiance taught me a couple of important lessons.
1. how to recognize a troll and ignore.
2. how to spend those few extra moments to form my comments in a more respectful fashion before I hit the “submit” key. A discipline I find worthwhile, appreciate in others, and continue to work on.

BTW Niall…what’s TWoP??

And just think tinawina, season 9 starts soon and we get to watch it happen all over again, with a new batch of OTT fans who will get butthurt over every little thing. Good times ahead, good times. *sigh*

You go to any fan site and I’ve been to Taylor’s and Cook’s and now Adams and you see about the same thing. I have also seen remarks about MJ on some of Taylor’s sites, not sure about Cook’s.

Oh, they all have hate threads dedicated to me. . And I accept that as part of the game. And I’m sure the other Adam fansites have the same or worse. Why, over at Idol forums there was a very nasty thread started by somebody who was pissed I modded her. She posted an email I sent her, and then the bashing began. It was extremely ugly, nastier than anything I’ve ever read at VFTW.

Look, I know that a fan forum is not a monolith, that there are all kinds of people that make up a community. I”m sure there were a variety of opinions posted about me in that thread. I’m not criticizing or dissing every single person who posts at PF.

Folks are angry because I allow posts that are critical of their favorite Idols stand. Yet, some of these same folks condone or even initiate nasty posts aimed at bloggers, reporters or Idols they perceive as rivals to their favorites.

I remember the meltdown in one of the threads after a couple of posters said they couldn’t wait for Adam to fail. You would have thought someone ate a puppy.

Yet, there are folks actively hoping I fail, and will be celebrating if it happens…as they compulsively refresh my quantcast.com statistics.

Doesn’t anybody see the contradiction here?

Mainegal
01/04/2010 at 1:43 pm

BTW Niall…what’s TWoP??

Televisionwithoutpity.com. They have an American Idol forum, along with forums for just about every other tv show. Their motto is “spare the snark, spoil the network.”

There’s lots of snark directed at the producers, the judges, the contestants (along with positive comments too), but they do their level best to keep it a neutral zone where it’s ok to like someone, ok to dislike someone, but not ok to act like a meddling mommy whenever something negative is said about “contestant x who I just love and has changed my life and how dare anybody say such things!”

mj tries to model this site on TWoP in terms of what is allowed and what isn’t but some people just can’t seem to figure it out. Hence, the invitation to stay at fan sites where they will be happier. There’s no shame in that so I’m not sure why the suggestion offends them so much.

Oh, they all have hate threads dedicated to me.

And most of them don’t try to deny it after the fact by hiding the thread or deleting posts or sucking up or, even funnier, trying to blame you or the person who copied and reposted some of their nastiness, for it.

oops double post

Thanks Niall…that was buried way back in my memory bank. I also appreciate the site review..so many references lately to other sites .. makes my head spin and the more I learn about them, the more I realize MJ’s is the place for me.
I like varied opinions..I don’t feel personally affronted when a poster doesn’t care for my fav (my ego is intact and fairly healthy!) and too much communal back-slapping is boring. I love Adam, but he ain’t perfect and I ain’t skeered if someone chooses to point that out.

I don’t get why anybody would still come to mjs if they admit they are more a fan of one person than of the show itself.

For news/info/videos of their favorite?

There are fans of Cook, Kris, Archie,Danny, etc. who are regular posters on this site. You rarely see them post anything other than comments about their favorite. They actively defend their favorite in the headlines and media threads. Some never venture into the threads of the other idols and some love to go and make negative comments. It’s all allowed because this is not a fan forum. At the same time, it is also okay if you post here daily but are only a fan of one person.

Many posters are probably like me. I only have so much time in the day to read and post so I use that time towards my favorite. I also am a fan of many of the other idols from this season and past ones as well. I appreciate the information presented on this site and like to read about the idols and keep up with how they are doing, but I rarely comment.

If you can’t make it at TWoP you can’t make it here.

Not many can make it at TWOP. I have visited that site for several seasons and there are very few usernames I recognize anymore. They seem much stricter over at TWOP. I like the format and feel of this site much better.

The experiance taught me a couple of important lessons.
1. how to recognize a troll and ignore.

That’s a hard one! Sometimes it’s about ignoring trolling behavior from a long time poster. Ignoring trolls is easy, ignoring trolling behavior is harder.

I remember the meltdown in one of the threads after a couple of posters said they couldn’t wait for Adam to fail. You would have thought someone ate a puppy.

Wouldn’t there be a meltdown if the same things were said about Kris or David Cook. There have been some awfully nasty comments written about Adam and Danny. Why wouldn’t their fans defend them?
I would expect the same from Kris or David’s fans if the same was said about them.

Folks are angry because I allow posts that are critical of their favorite Idols stand, while at the same time, condoning or even initiating nasty posts aimed at bloggers, reporters or Idols they perceive as rivals to their favorites.

Critical comments are fine. Some do cross the line, but you know that. I think bloggers or reporters are fair game. I don’t think any of them, including Jim or Rickey or Brian, should be treated any differently.

Wouldn’t there be a meltdown if the same things were said about Kris or David Cook. There have been some awfully nasty comments written about Adam and Danny. Why wouldn’t their fans defend them?
I would expect the same from Kris or David’s fans if the same was said about them.

Why are you dragging Danny and Kris into this discussion? It’s completely off topic to the point I was making.

One of the things that bugs me to no end: The you-dissed-my-Idol-now-I’ll-diss-yours method of discourse.

Critical comments are fine. Some do cross the line, but you know that. I think bloggers or reporters are fair game. I don’t think any of them, including Jim or Rickey or Brian, should be treated any differently.

We’re all fair game. Including your favorite Idol. That’s my point. If you whine about your favorite being bashed, while in the same breath bashing everyone you see as a threat to your favorite? That’s hypocritical.

And I’ve gotta say, I’ve stood back and watched while Jim, Melinda etc endured some pretty nasty drubbings here. and I actually know them personally. Seems folks should be able to take it when it’s their fantasy boyfriend at the end of some criticism.

Why are you dragging Danny and Kris into this discussion? It’s completely off topic to the point I was making.
One of the things that bugs me to no end: The you-dissed-my-Idol-now-I’ll-diss-yours method of discourse.

I used Kris and David as examples. I am not dissing them or their fans. I am a David Cook fan, also. I didn’t say anything negative about them.

I brought them up because they are idols from this season or last with many fans on this blog. Their fans would react in the same way that Adam’s fans acted when someone posted: “I can’t wait until (insert Kris or David) fails.” I’m using them as an example, but you could put in any idol and I would expect that their fans would comment with intensity if someone made the same statement about their favorite. I’m saying that it is normal fan behavior.

We’re all fair game. Including your favorite Idol. That’s my point. If you whine about your favorite being bashed, while in the same breath bashing everyone you see as a threat to your favorite? That’s hypocritical.

I agree, everyone is fair game. The difference is comments aren’t allowed here that are allowed on fansites, Top Idol or VFTW. There are different rules and guidelines here. No one likes their favorite being bashed, but you have to learn to scroll or disagree in a respectful way on this blog site. There is nothing wrong with that.
However, fan sites and other blogs have different rules. There is nothing wrong with that either. It means people will gravitate towards what type of discussions or rules they are comfortable with.

And I’ve gotta say, I’ve stood back and watched while Jim, Melinda etc endured some pretty nasty drubbings here.

I don’t know who Melinda is, but I would think Jim would fall under the same category as all bloggers or reviewers.

Seems folks should be able to take it when it’s their fantasy boyfriend at the end of some criticism.

ITA. All fan groups of all idols have trouble with this.
“I like you if you like my guy/girl” is a normal reaction and seems to be par for the course from every fan group.

I brought them up because they are idols from this season or last with many fans on this blog. Their fans would react in the same way that Adam’s fans acted when someone posted:

I never said they wouldn’t. It’s understood.

I don’t know who Melinda is, but I would think Jim would fall under the same category as all bloggers or reviewers.

Yes, they are. I never said they weren’t.

However, fan sites and other blogs have different rules. There is nothing wrong with that either.

I never said there was. I’m talking about how posters behave here. I don’t care about what goes on in fan forums.

ITA. All fan groups of all idols have trouble with this.

Right. Notice that I wasn’t qualifying any particular fan group there.

mj
01/04/2010 at 2:57 pm

And I’ve gotta say, I’ve stood back and watched while Jim, Melinda etc endured some pretty nasty drubbings here. and I actually know them personally. Seems folks should be able to take it when it’s their fantasy boyfriend at the end of some criticism.

YES!!!!! Two enthusiastic thumbs up!

Interesting discussions in here tonight.

I haven’t been here for some time. I rarely posted, mainly lurked, but I ended up staying away because I felt the Adam and even the headline threads were getting too much, too much OTT gushes about him put me off, more than the defensiveness did against the negative posts.

I stay away from fan sites too, I heard too many horror stories from posters on here, to get myself involved with anything like that. And I don’t have the time to spend on them either.

I am an Adam fan but this is the first year I ever checked out this blog and others, TWOP included. I started out on there first and liked it until it turned into a gushing fest and got locked a few times cos of the OTT ness which is why I came to here! It was fine f