Idol Headlines for 2/11/14

Audience Members Allowed to Bring Cell Phones into the American Idol Live Shows for the First Time – No more smuggling your iPhone in your sock (or, uhm, elsewhere). American Idol producers are encouraging live audience members to bring their cell phones to live tapings to snap and tweet to your hearts content! Via OnCameraAudiences “Great news #idolsuperfan. The audience will now be allowed to bring phones inside the studio at the #liveshow #epic pics!!”

CBS WILL PRESENT AN ENCORE BROADCAST OF “THE BEATLES: THE NIGHT THAT CHANGED AMERICA—A GRAMMY SALUTE,” WEDNESDAY, FEB. 12, 8:30-11:00 PM. – CBS will present an encore broadcast of THE BEATLES: THE NIGHT THAT CHANGED AMERICA—A GRAMMY SALUTE, Wednesday, Feb. 12 (8:30-11:00 PM, ET/PT). – Ya’ll will be watching Idol, tho right? ;) Read more at CBS

The Rhode interviews Jillian Jensen

Seth Meyers’ Late Night Band Includes Fred Armisen & Members Of Les Savy Fav – The most important person in any late-night show is obviously its host, but a show’s bandleader can have a huge impact on that show’s personality. Consider, if you will, NBC’s Late Night franchise. In its past incarnations, Paul Shaffer, Max Weinberg, and ?uestlove have all led the house bands, and it would be impossible to imagine any of those shows without those guys. And now, when Seth Meyers takes over the show later this month, we now know who will lead his band: Meyers’s old SNL castmate Fred Armisen. Meyers Tweeted the above photo of Armisen and his G8 band earlier today, and it appears that the band will also include Seth Jabour and Syd Butler of Les Savy Fav, Eli Janney (Girls Against Boys), and Kim Thompson (Beyoncé). Armisen was a drummer in the underground Trenchmouth for years before he broke into the comedy world, and he also played drums on a few songs from Les Savy Fav’s 2007 album Let’s Stay Friends. – Read more at Stereogum

Idina Menzel to Perform at the Oscars – Tony Award®-winning singer, songwriter and actress Idina Menzel will, for the first time, perform the Oscar®-nominated song “Let it Go” for a global television audience at the Oscars®, show producers Craig Zadan and Neil Meron announced today. The Oscars, hosted by Ellen DeGeneres, will air on SUNDAY, MARCH 2 live on ABC. “Let it Go,” written by Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez for “Frozen,” is nominated for Original Song. The three other nominated songs are “Happy” from “Despicable Me 2,” “Ordinary Love” from “Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom” and “The Moon Song” from “Her.” – Read more at TV By The Numbers

Chris Daughtry – Idol Insider Interview

Reality Check: Are Idol’s Guitars Unfair? Plus: Cruelty Bus; Spencer, Jessica & Keith Imbroglios!

Via TV Line

American Idol alum, Casey Abrams, is part of a Kickstarter Campaign – A new comedy starring Tom Cavanaugh, Constance Zimmer, Frances Fisher, French Stewart, Haaz Sleiman & Casey Abrams. Many of you remember me as Doris Schwartz, a character from the 1980s TV show Fame. (Ha ha ha. I loved Doris!) I got my first shot at directing on Fame, and I’ve been acting, writing and directing ever since. I have a new film project and that’s what brings me here to Kickstarter. (You can read more about what I’ve been up to in the bio section). My film project is called Offer & Compromise and it falls right in the middle, with a moderate $500,000 budget, an experienced producer in Tani Cohen, a talented editor in Timothy Snell and seasoned casting director Shana Landsburg. And the actors! We’ve got Tom Cavanaugh (Ed, How to Eat Fried Worms), Constance Zimmer (House of Cards, Entourage) and Frances Fisher (Resurrection, Titanic). This will also be the film debut for musician and American Idol finalist Casey Abrams. Offer & Compromise is a collaboration with writer Dylan Otto, and it tells the story of the fictional Warner family and Travis Parker, the 19-year-old debt collector who enters their lives as they struggle to break free of debts, both financial and emotional. It’s a comedy/drama, in the vein of The Descendants, Little Miss Sunshine and Juno. It’s funny and heartbreaking and timely. All of the actors signed on as soon as they read the script. Dylan’s script is that good!- Contribute HERE.

Ruben Studdard Talks New Album, Big Weight Loss: ‘This Time It’s for Me’ – Last heard on the 2012 Shanachie album “Letters From Birmingham,” Studdard is also working on a Christmas album for Verve and has a theater project in development. Dropping by Billboard’s Los Angeles office a day after the “Biggest Loser” finale, the singer/songwriter shared insights about “Unconditional Love” and lessons learned during his 10-year career. – Read more at Billboard

Valentine’s Day POPsessions: Midas Whale Pour Some ‘Sugar’ on Yahoo – Midas Whale, the totally robbed “Voice” Season 4 duo comprising Ryan Hayes and “American Idol” alum Jon Peter Lewis, are no strangers to love in all its epic forms. They did stage a Gothic rock opera called “Deep Love” once, after all. So it’s no wonder that Ryan and Jon have released Midas Whale’s excellent debut album “Sugar House” this week, just in time for Valentine’s Day. – Performances and Interview at Yahoo Music

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Yes, they think they can dance – It was cold, polar vortex cold. Schools were closed and heavy snow was on the way. But for nearly 600 dancers, plus supporters bundled up in puffy coats, hats, and blankets outside the Merriam Theater as much as 11 hours ahead of call time, it was worth it. Worth it for the possibility of dancing on TV, working with great choreographers, and maybe a place on the “hot-tamale train” to stardom. – Read more at Philly.com

  • Wfish88

    Like the idea to bring cell phones to live shows, although IDK if it really make any difference.

  • gclay

    Candice appeared and performed on 106 & Park last night here is a post-show interview. She says she is not having an album release party, but she is in talks to open up for a tour, but she didn’t say what

    http://www.bet.com/shows/106-and-park/106-and-park-all-videos.html

  • Larc

    Great news for cell phones at live Idol shows. But I hope this doesn’t mean we’ll be hearing cell phones ring and otherwise make noises. Maybe they will need a sudden death rule for anybody whose phone rings during the show. One audible ring and that person is out the door.

  • gclay

    Also this is happening, nice she is promoting it to the pop audience

    https://twitter.com/idolator/status/433276012924002304

  • elliegrll

    I think the hope is that this will create some type of grassroots support. People who are tweeting about the show can get their friends to watch, or build up word of mouth on social media.

    The only way that it will work is if AI gives the contestants the space to have amazing and buzzworthy performances.

  • maymay

    On La Voix Quebec audition (The Voice), Lawrence Castera performed Home.
    http://goo.gl/jI1VgC

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    nvm — changed my mind about bringing it up

  • gclay

    Because Candice has already been promoted to the country as an Idol winner those who remember her from the show regardless of genre preference are in her target market to pick up the album, promoting to them is smart

  • Holden17C

    Does anyone really believe that Midas Whale was “totally robbed” of anything? Seriously, I’m asking.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Y’know, after six months of watching Glover encourage her fans in the notion that putting out a single during the summer would have been stupid and that doing a radio tour would have been stupid and that spreading her very limited promotional effort across multiple audiences rather than hitting her target audience with enough repeats to get them to buy is brillz… I’ve run out of sympathy for her.

    Either she’s holding on with a death grip to the idea that she has to make the label look good at all costs, or she’s truly delusional about how music is marketed and how much an Idol winner will sell with such limited and unfocused promo.

  • Miz

    I’m sure people will be warned to put their phones on vibrate and I suspect a zero tolerance policy for any that go off. Of course, unless you’re a celebrity.

  • Tess Herself

    I have stated my very unpopular opinion that I think Candace is totally lacking in common sense and the ability to reason, decipher, or basically understand how much of anything really works. She seems, to me, to be a puppet…someone is definitely pulling her strings ’cause she hasn’t shown any self-gumption. It’s like she and her advisors are so afraid of failure that they haven’t even thought about pushing the starting gates open. She is so much a product of the manipulation, by the show and fans alike (lets crown a girl winner and lets play the heartstrings and push someone who has tried and failed again and again). I just can’t see her going anywhere and she is going to make Lee Dewyze (is that his name) seem like a triumphant success in comparison.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    This has got to be linked to the Nielsen Twitter ratings thing… tweeting comments and video from the taping will be fantastic for pumping those numbers.

    I do actually think it’s also a reasonably intelligent use of Twitter, as long as there’s zero tolerance for taking actual calls.

    [ETA for the response: I think I'm having trouble grokking that TPTB are truly following through on the commitment to social media, so I'm surprised at every evidence of it! Still, good thing to do.]

  • Aaron Krandel

    Candice is now listed as an artist on interscope

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Scotty is in Dallas doing tv and radio shows (2 radio, at least 1 tv) today…

    Jennifer Styers ?@followlovecoach 30 min
    A little @ScottyMcCreery at @FOX4 this morning. Wow he has such an amazing voice. And he’s cute, girls!
    https://twitter.com/followlovecoach/status/…0626816/photo/1

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    I have stated my very unpopular opinion that I think Candace is totally lacking in common sense and the ability to reason, decipher, or basically understand how much of anything really works.

    Well, the reason that opinion’s been unpopular with me is that Glover did a really excellent job of strategizing her return to Idol with a distinct musical POV and her progress through the show with the very limited tactical options that were allowed in S12. So she’s demonstrably not a Numb-skulled Nellie across the board and in all things. (If Idol had gotten its S12 winner purely through successful manipulation, Amber Holcomb would have won and Jimmy Iovine would have rejoiced.)

    That said, either her strategic thinking doesn’t translate to the nuts-and-bolts of making and promoting an album, or she started from so far in the hole on ignorance that no reasonable amount of intelligence would pull her out in time for it to make a difference.

    It’s like she and her advisors are so afraid of failure that they haven’t even thought about pushing the starting gates open.

    I question whether they even have their horses facing the right direction, and it’s possible they’re still consulting Apple Maps on the location of the racetrack.

  • Tess Herself

    Jon Peter Lewis…that man is tenacious in the extreme. It would be nice if he had any talent to go along with his tenacity, but I just don’t think some people can have everything. Was he really on The Voice? Glad I missed it.

  • Landon Cox

    Yass at Idina singing Let It Go at the Oscars!

  • iani

    It seems to me that I’ve really missed some news or informations because I don’t understand the exchange of comments at all:
    that putting out a single during the summer would have been stupid and that doing a radio tour would have been stupid and that spreading her very limited promotional effort across multiple audiences rather than hitting her target audience with enough repeats to get them to buy is brillz…
    Candace is totally lacking in common sense and the ability to reason, decipher, or basically understand how much of anything really works…
    It’s like she and her advisors are so afraid of failure that they haven’t even thought about pushing the starting gates open. She is so much a product of the manipulation…
    That said, either her strategic thinking doesn’t translate to the nuts-and-bolts of making and promoting an album, or she started from so
    far in the hole on ignorance that no reasonable amount of intelligence would pull her out in time for it to make a difference.

    What has really happened? Is she to blame for her lack of promotion so far and album’s delay?

  • http://mjsbigblog.staging.wpengine.com/ mjsbigblog

    Well, the reason that opinion’s been unpopular with me is that Glover did a really excellent job of strategizing her return to Idol with a distinct musical POV and her progress through the show with the very limited tactical options that were allowed in S12. So she’s demonstrably not a Numb-skulled Nellie across the board and in all things. (If Idol had gotten its S12 winner purely through successful manipulation, Amber Holcomb would have won and Jimmy Iovine would have rejoiced.)

    Can I repeat this? I think I will.

    Candice was a savvy Idol player. She is most certainly not stupid. Or a puppet. She may be in over her head at this point, though.

  • http://mjsbigblog.staging.wpengine.com/ mjsbigblog

    There is a marked emphasis on social media this year. This decision is surely part of the strategy.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    What has really happened? Is she to blame of her lake of promotion so far and album’s delay?

    In interviews, Glover consistently takes responsibilities for the delays (quite explicitly) and I think she comes across as dismissive of interviewers’ questions about really obvious promo things that aren’t getting done.

    Up to now, I’ve credited her with trying to save face for the label and trying to come across as the better person in a tough situation. At some point, though, I have to wonder if the random, scattershot, barely-there promo does have something to do with the artist’s inability, reluctance, or stubbornness.

  • http://untitlement.wordpress.com Caroline Bridges

    They should make people download an American Idol ring tone that’s unobtrusive. But, as I recall, it’s loud enough in there that a ringing phone might not make a dent. It’s the dolts who actually answer and feel the need to bellow into their phones to be heard that will irritate me the most.

    But hooray for the preview tweets and photos! And hooray for those of us who go to tapings getting to keep our stuff! ;)

    Now we’ll get the smart-phone-as-cigarette-lighter effect in the
    audience to make it look like a concert.

  • iani

    In interviews, Glover consistently takes responsibilities for the delays (quite explicitly) and I think she comes across as dismissive of interviewers’ questions about really obvious promo things that aren’t getting done.

    I see, thanks.

    I don’t think either that she is stupid, maybe she doesn’t have a sharp manager/adviser because some of the interviews might be scripted for some business relationships reasons.

  • justmefornow

    By “they” do you mean the label or her management at 19? And do we know who is currently managing her? I know at one point she was managed by James’ manager Josh Klemme, but he is no longer with 19M.
    Is she getting any guidance at all at this point, because it sure doesn’t look like it.

  • Anny_nanny

    Thanks for the video, but it sounds terrible. Is our boy a genius?

  • mchcat

    How nice for Casey A – I remember the time Rob Reiner came on the show and Casey mentioned that he would like to act and sign like Jack Black.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    By “they” do you mean the label or her management at 19?

    Both, since there’s no sign of a coordinated plan. The label sent the single to UAC radio, which was the absolute right move. Nobody then arranged a radio tour, and other promo seems to be only sporadically hitting a UAC-friendly audience.

    This is reminding me a lot of Sanchez’s launch, in the “not much promo and totally scattershot at what audience” aspects. Glover’s getting more U.S. exposure than Sanchez did (which is good!), but there’s still not very focused attention to putting her in front of the people most likely to want her music.

    Seeing the same pattern twice would be a good reason for me to blame the management+label combo rather than the artist, of course. I’m trying to decide if vending machine trail mix would improve my urge to be consistent here.

  • Marko

    Something tells me she was not satisfied with the material.

  • ptebwwong

    I actually liked him much more on The Voice & I really didn’t like him on Idol. Some people just need time to mature & find their “sound.” His sound on TV was very different from Idol. IMO JPL was one of those contestants that should have waited a few years to audition for Idol. He actually admitted recently that he was “not ready” for Idol & should have waited to do it.

    Now I’m not saying he should have gotten a lot farther in the competition on The Voice. He shouldn’t have. But his current music is much different than the stuff he sang on Idol.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Gee. It only took them about 10 months.

  • Larc

    I definitely get the feeling that neither Candice nor the label expect her album to do well and are both acting in accord with that lack of expectation. If nothing else ensures a poor outcome, that should do the trick. At this stage, I think everybody would be surprised if Music Speaks is successful. Candice and Interscope most of all.

  • gclay

    Candice’s promo has been a mess, but not as bad as Jessica who only got the Idol performance and Glee and her album all the way in May. Candice has a couple tv appearances (hopefully a few next week) and there’s still time for a radio tour.

  • ptebwwong

    That’s my feeling, too. I think the Idol alums in history (Ex. Lee) which had very little promo leading up to their album was due to the label & management. Their low expectations for the singles/album coincided with the lack of promo. They’re a business and as such the amount of buzz & expectations led to less marketing.

  • Anny_nanny

    The main thing is that Candice has a single on a very good position on her format right now, what Jessica had never.

  • CanadianLady

    I think she knew how to play the Idol game, but she was right out of her depth in dealing with the record company and all that brought with it, and had no one she could depend on to help her. However, I think she’s also a fast-learner.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Eh, Sanchez had more promo than that. She was on DWTS and I think there were some other minor things. Glover’s still ahead of her, though.

    there’s still time for a radio tour

    Usually the radio tour is done while the single is rising on radio, before the album is released. Once the album opens with weak sales, that song’s current stall is likely to become a plummet, making any radio tour “too little, too late.”

    This kind of “oh, I’ll just do a radio tour some time later because what PDs expect of ordinary artists doesn’t apply to me, the American Idol winner” thing really starts to make Glover look like she’s clueless and entitled. I hate thinking that of her, but damn.

  • Anny_nanny

    News from the Olympics: today I read that american bobsledder who recently got stuck in the bathroom and broke the door, with several companions of team got stuck in the elevator (I believe his name is Lucky) – guys had reportage on Twitter from there. I really hope they guessed cause lifters before started to break the cabin. And I very much hope that the lift operators did not know who called their, our people can wait to test, can this guy to break the elevator doors or walls?

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    DeWyze actually got a fairly substantial promo package — 19 rolled out the red carpet for winners even when few shits were being given. What he didn’t get were the super-fab extras that Cook and non-winner Lambert had gotten in the two years prior, so DeWyze’s promo looked half-hearted by comparison.

    It’s only since the regime change to Interscope that the attitude of “we don’t expect much, so we won’t even make a pretense at trying” took off.

  • Larc

    If that’s the case – and I believe it is – it will likely be a while before we see results of her fast learning. My guess is Music Speaks will do so poorly that Interscope will drop Candice. It will be what happens after then that tells the tale.

  • Pat H

    The cell phones in Idol is a huge change! Their security was like LAX! Idol has always been a bit behind in their social media, like putting up YTs of performances.

  • ptebwwong

    Interscope technically did give a lot of promo to Scotty & Phillip. IMO they gave a good amount of promo to Lauren, too. They did much less for Jessica & Candice & it was noticeable. I think Interscope saw how Scotty, Phillip, & Lauren were doing on the charts for the coronation songs & that’s why they were promoted much more.

    IMO many labels listen to the albums before they are released to see the potential &/or see how much buzz they’re getting & act accordingly. That applies to after the album is released, too.

  • Montavilla

    I agree. And I don’t see how she couldn’t be, since she’s coming from an area with no music industry to speak of. Where would she get any experience in dealing with labels, music marketing, etc.?

    However, she’s obviously smart and a good learner. I’m not going to call her another Carrie, but I see her somewhat in that mode: A talented, smart woman, who is going to have to trust the professionals to help put her on the right track for at least this go-round.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Interscope technically did give a lot of promo to Scotty & Phillip. IMO they gave a good amount of promo to Lauren, too. They did less for Jessica & Candice & it was noticeable.

    Yeah, that’s kinda what I mean — if you’re Iovine’s pet project, you get lots of promo, but otherwise, there’s no shame any more about just shrugging and making it clear there are no f*cks to give.

    I’d assume the label’s A&R has been involved with the album all along, since these are newbie artists. If the label decides after the album’s recorded that it’s not worth promoting, I blame the label’s A&R pretty strongly. Their job was to work with the artist to choose material that was worth getting behind and that fit with a plausible promo approach.

  • ptebwwong

    I agree with this. But I’m assuming that’s how the music industry works anyway. Labels usually promote their “favorites” & who has a lot of potential to be really successful in their opinion.

  • Incipit

    “Idol has always been a bit behind in their social media..”

    This was absolutely true of the last set of producers. They didn’t seem to realize that enough of their audience was internet savvy to make some of their deliberate sins of omission absolutely useless, and they didn’t seem to know how to use the web to their advantage – but some of the contestants did.

    All the effort they used to take to scrub a contestant’s record – I’m willing to bet they never heard of the internet archive, the WayBackMachine.com, or Boolean Search Strings. The audience will always contain an element of people who can find out anything they want to put the effort into.

    It’s about time someone in charge started smelling the coffee. If they really have. Heh.

    IMO.

  • justmefornow

    lol. His name is Lucky.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I just think that Interscope and 19 know that Candice doesn’t have a big Idol fanbase. Her season had lower ratings and she is a female. Females always struggle to attract big passionate fanbases. Also, they know that she is a non-crossover Urban AC artist. If, let’s say, someone like Amber Holcomb won, they might have hope of targeting Urban, Rhythmic and even TOP 40 formats (with the right material, of course). The thing is, even if the managed to get Candice a big Urban AC hit, her sales would still be small. So, maybe they just see the point in trying. They are not here for niche artists, I think.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    The thing is, even if the managed to get Candice a big Urban AC hit, her sales would still be small.

    Eh, a couple of UAC hits should result in album sales above 350k, which in today’s music market, is worth getting out of bed for. (Especially if we figure they ratcheted the winner’s contract levels down again.)

    I would have sympathy with Glover’s team making a focused push for a UAC audience but visibly having a low budget for it. I don’t have sympathy for their throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks — most of the target not being UAC — as that means money is still being spent, but in a manner that’s unlikely to succeed.

  • Incipit

    Landon Cox, the talk here about “Frozen” led me to check out the soundtrack – normally I would have no reason to pay attention to Disney stuff.

    Some really good voices involved – and I know why ‘someone’ had a pop star sing “Let It Go” on a track, but Idina does a much nicer job with it, IMO.

    What was intriguing to me was what the first track I checked out led me to suspect – this is crafted similar to an operetta. They’ve been out of style since 1940 – but there was no way to miss the connection between Romberg and Oscar Hammerstein and “Stout Hearted Men” from New Moon and the cast of Frozen singing “Frozen Heart”. I’ll wait to see if they translate it to the stage.

    Also. Someone who wants to try their hand at being quirky could take that song and sing it like Barbra Streisand did with “Stout Hearted Men” – (It’s from 1967, long enough ago that everyone would think it was ‘fresh’ – like the mannered singers doing Maria Muldauer’s schtick all over Idol auditions) I think that would be very interesting!

    JMO.

  • elliegrll

    I think it’s all too little too late. Not having a youtube presence is one of the biggest WTF questions about the show. Even when fully commit to a channel they messed it up by removing videos.

  • http://mjsbigblog.staging.wpengine.com/ mjsbigblog

    What was intriguing to me was what the first track I checked out led me to suspect – this is crafted similar to an operetta – they’ve been out of style since 1940 – but there was no way to miss the connection between Romberg and Oscar Hammerstein and “Stout Hearted Men” from New Moon and the cast of Frozen singing “Frozen Heart”.

    That’s not anything new for Disney though. I remember thinking something similar when I saw “Beauty and the Beast” in the 90s.

    Frozen is already committed to being adapted as a Broadway musical.

  • Landon Cox

    It’s odd because when I first heard the two I liked Demi’s version better – the drumming gives it a real sense of urgency – but now I’m in love with Idina’s version; what can I say, I’m a sucker for glory notes. When will I get on Idol?

    Frozen Heart is such a good song and gives a lot of foreshadowing to the plot. Also it reminds me of “Fathoms Below” from The Little Mermaid, so it’s definitely something Disney has used in the past.

  • catlover84

    What’s an operetta? What I feel about “Frozen Heart” is that it’s a song that sets the tone and the theme of the movie and implicitly tells what’s gonna happen in the movie. And also if I’m not mistaken, it’s a tribute to that Roustabouts song from Dumbo. And yeah, Broadway adaptation is coming too.

    Btw, excited with the news about Idina’s performance at the Oscars. That’s the news I’ve been waiting for!

  • elliegrll

    Small in comparison to what? I think the point is to help get someone established in their genre. Why should it matter that most Urban AC artists aren’t selling a million copies of their albums? That’s not what signals success in that format. We were just talking about marketing Candice to the right audience, so why does it matter that her music doesn’t appeal to the core AI viewer? Or that Interscope can’t market her to pop or hot ac fans.

  • Decan

    JPL is very mediocre.

  • shell29

    I think people are expecting too much from these Idol winners in terms of navigating promotion, etc. when many of them have been suddenly thrust into the music business. Let’s not forget that it was a little over a year ago that Candice was working a 9 to 5 in a small town in South Carolina. I certainly don’t fault her for taking to Twitter to help promote herself and her music. How much power do people expect her to have in order to dictate to her label what to do? She has very little power, she’s new to the music biz-what she knows best is how to sing. It’s like people expecting a teenager like Jessica Sanchez to know all the ins and outs of the music biz fresh off of finishing 2nd on American Idol (as if she has the power to dictate to her label what she will or will not do). I’m sorry I just don’t get it. I have never understood this particular criticism of Idols fresh off the show. It bugs me at times to see them getting the lion’s share of the blame for the label’s mistakes when it comes to promotion etc. I suppose it comes with the territory but it still bugs.

    If things play out the way many of us are expecting and her sales are awful, I’m going to blame Interscope and I’m going to be pretty upset on Candice’s behalf. I don’t care if you’re obligated to sign the winner-if you just throw an album out there to fulfill the bare minimum obligation (and then drop her like a bad habit) maybe Interscope needs to get out of the ‘Idol’ business (or 19 needs to find a new partner). What’s the point of winning? You’re no better than the (now dead) X Factor US at that point.

  • standtotheright

    I kind of reject the premise that Idolator is “the pop audience.” I don’t think Future, or Ciara, or Sade have been on CHR in quite awhile, and yet they’re getting headline blog posts.
    Is it a multi-genre site? Yes. But I don’t think “borrow an established music blog for a few hours” really counts as much promotion to people outside her target.

  • standtotheright

    Bummer for her. They could at least have hooked her up with a Stage-It. Hopefully the opener talks pan out.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I think 19 and Interscope expect Idol finalists to sell big. Idol and everything around it is a business. Interscope didn’t enter this business relationship to be saddled with niche artists. I’ve seen some sales numbers from Urban AC artists. For example, Fantasia’s lead single from her latest album sold just over 100K and she performed it on Idol. Her album is still under 300K. And her second single was actually also for Urban format. If someone as established as Fantasia struggles to sell 300K albums (and talking about singles sales is even more pointless), how can we expect Interscope to really invest in establishing Candice? The winners before her both sold 1 mil + albums and also had singles that sold.

    I just think Interscope couldn’t get excited about potential sales of 300K albums or so.

    Also, it’s been a while since 19 had to deal with anyone from Urban AC/Urban side of the music business. Fantasia was really the last one (season 3) and she left them after a year to find a more suitable management.

  • standtotheright

    I feel like there would be more asides from the label if that were the case. I wasn’t even following the show in S5 and I still remember reading about the “interesting exchange of views” during Hicks’ album process. (Granted, it was a much more popular show then.)
    I think the simplest explanation is likely the correct one: Some people on her team have some idea about what to do (106th and Park, BET, etc.), but they aren’t being given the permission/funds to execute very much, and Glover wants to put the best face on it.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I agree that expecting these newbies to promote themselves in any significant way is really not reasonable. Their label and management need to do most of the job (book radio tour, other events, etc.). The artist does the performances and interviews, etc.

    The artists records the music. If they also write, they get to write, if not, the label’s A&R searches for the material.

    Billboard yesterday posted an interesting article about Cady Groves, it’s really eye opening.

  • Incipit

    “I think 19 and Interscope expect Idol finalists to sell big.”

    19 has been around the block, they ought to know that doesn’t always happen – – it’s a long time since Cryptkeeper Clive and his “Idol Souvenirs” – a whole other economy ago. Interscope would have only expected that if they didn’t do their due diligence and figured out the odds before they signed the contract, IMO. Maybe they were so arrogant that they didn’t bother to research – and thought Idol TV exposure was all it took. Stunad.

    Idol has access to the iTunes sales – they know who is selling big, week by week – and who is getting the votes – so do we when there is a glimpse behind the curtain. The outcomes in sales after the show ought not to be a big surprise. The simple truth that whatever song is given to the winner will make a difference is also perfectly clear. Simple logic.

    Candice got a bum song – and the people who gave it to her have no reasonable expectation that she would sell big with it. They’ve given her a series of bum songs since then – jerked around her debut and neglected her promo – when do we admit they have their heads up and locked?

    19 must have the Fourth String running things by now – so many people have bailed on them – and there’s only one label left for Idol to sign with if they can’t make Interscope work. I doubt they are interested either.

    Someone might could adjust their expectations to march more closely with established facts, and do that sometime soon.

    JMO.

  • lovetheusa1776

    http://instagram.com/p/kSoQkrzTDA/#

    Kris – soundcheck – Pittsburgh

  • Mateja Praznik

    Judging by Jimmy’s pre-season 10 interview, I do think he expected Idol finalists to be a total goldmine for him. I think he was way too optimistic and got burned.

  • ptebwwong

    Incipit: Idol has access to the iTunes sales – they know who is selling big, week by week – and who is getting the votes – so do we when there is a glimpse behind the curtain. The outcomes in sales after the show ought not to be a big surprise.

    That is true. But if they were basing on iTunes sales during the competition they should have marketed Haley more since she did well on them. Scotty actually didn’t do extremely well. If you were basing his sales during the competition, Interscope would have been totally surprised his album sold anyway near platinum. Also, based on iTunes sales & buzz Joshua should have probably been signed to a label (not necessarily Interscope).

    I do think Interscope had high expectations when they signed on which was a mistake on their part.

  • Incipit

    You are kind to call that optimism. If that’s what he thought then what it really was? Hubris.

    He could have known better. Interscope has Bean Counters, Idol has history – the realities of the economy were laid out right in front of him – since the Music Industry has been like a microcosm of what’s been happening in the US since 2007…and there is data to show that. Such an amateur mistake to make – gives one no hope for any artist Interscope signs under the terms of their Idol contract – unless they are Jimmy’s Pet they don’t get good songs, good promo, or good gigs.

    IMO, that’s not good.

  • elliegrll

    I haven’t seen any evidence that 19 cares how well someone does post AI. If they did care they would provide better management, but for the most part the management has been geared towards promoting the show. This is something that is true even for those who the producers have backed.

  • Incipit

    “..if they were basing on iTunes sales during the competition…”

    If they were, it’s not the only thing that was available to base decisions on. There were two markers available – Sales on iTunes, and Votes.

    We don’t know what the votes were saying until the end. Idol PTB does – which means 19 does, or what’s left of them. Also, they have facts on the careers of any idol they have managed for more than a minute. If they know what conclusions to draw from those factors – they haven’t shown it.

    When Interscope signed on the dotted line – if they didn’t do their due diligence – then they screwed themselves. That’s a lot of money to ride on expectations instead of facts.

    JMO.

  • Birdiex

    He did good with Phillip and Scotty(although Scotty is with the Nashville label).

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Just curious…how do we know that Haley sold more on itunes? Don’t they hide the itunes rankings?

  • halo9125

    I think Pia has said it best in several recent interview when she said
    “”It’s just not natural for an album to come out right out of the gate
    from a TV show. It takes time.” She makes a very good point- while yes,
    it may work for some of the winners, it ISN’T natural. So I think Candice (and Interscope) get that the odds for success are very remote.

  • ajr86

    JPL looks all grown up. Where has he been hiding?

  • Lexie O’Neill

    A cute Yahoo story about Kelly Clark, the Olympian, vs. Kelly Clarkson, the first Idol. http://www.grindtv.com/olympics/2014-winter-olympics/post/kelly-clark-often-mistaken-for-american-idol/

  • girlygirl

    It looks like Kris and Caroline Glaser (from The Voice; she is opening for him on this tour) may duet tonight?

  • girlygirl

    How she is promoting her music to the pop audience?

  • girlygirl

    link?

  • macfae

    No. but I was totally enjoying their humor and song choices. They were entertaining but wrong for The Voice.
    But they got exposure and developed a fan base. I’m really loving their new cd….it’s streaming here :

    http://www.sonicbids.com/band/midaswhale/audio/

  • Mateja Praznik

    Cady Groves’ Waiting Game: How A Promising Artist Ended Up Back At The Beginning

    http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/5901078/cady-groves-waiting-game-how-a-promising-artist-ended-up-back-at

  • Mateja Praznik

    After the finale the rankings were revealed and pretty much Haley was dominating (aside from ILYTB and LMMD) even though it had been a week since her elimination from the show. She was pretty much the only one with any significant iTunes action (aside from the before mentioned TOP 2 singles). It didn’t surprise me, Haley had good studio recordings and starting with “Benny and the Jets” she had at least 5 “moments”/near “moments”/outstanding performances.

  • Karen C

    Interesting article, and really interesting that it was RCA. A lot of what happened to her sounds like it might have happened to some of the recent idols who were under RCA.

  • Guest

    Miley move over…. Billy Ray Cyrus has released a new hip hop/rap version of “Achy Breaky Heart” with Dionne Warwick’s rapper son, Buck 22.

    Achy Breaky 2.

    Yes Billy Ray you are perfect to give advice to Bieber… LMAO! FAILED!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72WhEqeS6AQ

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Thanks for the reply! Since I only really watched starting S10, I didn’t know about blogs like this until after the season was over–I’d been on the Idol forums when I became a big fan of Scotty, then when I realized they had a policy of deleting stuff, I started searching.

    So, bottom line, I didn’t see this. I’ve tried to go back on here, but a lot of threads are missing comments, etc. from around that time:)

  • justmefornow

    The Durbin Legend
    James Durbin talks life post-‘Idol’ and his sophomore album, ‘Celebrate’

    “In the bitter winter of New York, James Durbin reminisces about his hometown of Santa Cruz, and the whirlwind that was set in motion the day he took fourth place on season 10 of FOX’s American Idol”…

    http://www.gtweekly.com/index.php/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment-lifestyles/santa-cruz-arts-entertainment-/5418-james-durbin.html

  • justmefornow

    I’ve always felt the reason they released those Highlights EPs after the season was to gauge fan interest before signing anyone to a record label.
    When they don’t sell well or the itunes singles don’t do well the label thinks twice.
    The itunes numbers are still pretty well hidden, but the EP numbers are easily found for S10:

    American Idol Season 10 Highlights EP:
    James Durbin 31 (Billboard 200) 71,000

    American Idol Season 10 Highlights EP:
    Haley Reinhart 37 (Billboard 200) 59,000

    American Idol Season 10 Highlights EP:
    Lauren Alaina 24 (Billboard 200) 85,000

    American Idol Season 10 Highlights EP:
    Scotty McCreery 10 (Billboard 200) 201,000

    *(As you can see, Interscope probably thought Scotty would sell pretty well if his Idol covers EP sold over 200k)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Idol_compilation_series#Season_10

  • Kesia Monteith

    Thank you for saying all this. Someone had to say it.

  • ptebwwong

    Mateja Praznik is right. I was talking about the iTunes rankings right after the finale when they’re revealed. Haley had numerous songs charting. Many of them were high. I think Lauren & Scotty had 2 songs each charting. But both Lauren & Scotty’s song besides the coronation was charting low on iTunes.

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Scotty takes over as dj for a Dallas station.:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjP8UjUUeDY&feature=youtu.be

  • vtu

    I heard a bit of She Loves Me Not during the sound check that was broadcast on ustream a couple days ago, so it wouldn’t surprise me if Kris brings that out tonight (or some day soon).

  • CanadianLady

    Oh, yeah. It’s not going to be easy. She’ll likely have to do what a number of other Idols have done. Start working her way up.

  • Connie Stamley

    Tim Halperen has a new album on iTunes today. Don’t recall seeing it mentioned. If so, sorry for the repeat.

  • CanadianLady

    Apparently Scotty has stopped trying to do a full load this semester, and is doing a partial load. I thought he was traveling a bit more than before.

    http://www.fansofscotty.com/2014/02/scotty-mccreery-doesnt-get-special.html

  • DragonFly

    James: “I’m probably not gonna be able to sing a lot of those songs on the first record when I’m 40 or 50, you know, just because of how intense they are. So, it’s nice to make a record of songs that I know I’m gonna be able to sing for a long time.”’

    At 40/50 fans will let him lip sinc like the rest of them & dub-in those memorable screams. I think his lifestyle will be “a little” cleaner than most who can’t squeak-out a good tune (& unfortunately still try). Anyway, again, I like the mix of song styles.

  • Karen C

    It could be that she doesn’t have much experience in the music business. I remember her saying the hometown visit was the first concert she did. Many winners did have more experience performing professionally, even some had previous albums, and I think this helped some of them. Those that didn’t did seem to have more label and promo support, though. There could be some kind of other issue like you said, even creative differences, that might affect how the label would promote the album .

  • Porfivor Nixon

    I liked him, I think I will check that out. Oh, God he was thought to be a shoo-in, but the judges were negative and he did not make it- I felt bad for him

  • justmefornow

    …”than most who can’t squeak-out a good tune (& unfortunately still try)”…

    Exactly. James recently said in an interview, he’s focusing on song writing because in his words “the voice can go at any time, the ability to write a good hook and catchy melody lasts forever.”

    Exhibit A: Axl Rose, LMFAO.
    ….(I feel sorry for DJ Ashba here)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20ccfjD4ZyQ

  • Porfivor Nixon

    He’s a good singer. “Break the Silence” is a great song. He has an unlikeable personality, though.

  • Porfivor Nixon

    I’m not sure it mattered. There hasn’t been a good season since Season 8. No social media could have improved what came after.

  • DragonFly

    For real? & someone didn’t mess w/this? I remember right after Idol tour I think, James went to a club & did a cover w/a few other guys, having a great time (audience too of course & don’t quiz me on the song) but someone voiced over 1 video of it w/a horrible voice—that’s what this reminds me of.

  • Porfivor Nixon

    His vocals are demanding, I’m not sure when male singers lose their voice, he’s a male power singer and I am not who in the distant past is like him enough to pinpoint when they start losing it.

  • justmefornow

    lol. I don’t remember that one with James at all, why would someone bother?

    But sadly no, this wasn’t messed with, there are a lot like this on YouTube. Axl’s really lost it :(

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NSK1EoC7Y

  • elliegrll

    It wasn’t the judges, Tim had a horrible semi final round. He was trying to be someone else during that performance, but failed miserably.

  • Axxxel

    wow… nice interview with Daughtry, looking forward to an Idol Insider interview with the other Hollywood week mentor Adam Lambert