Idol Billboard Update for Issue 12/27/08 – Cook goes Gold, Jordin Sparks Certified Platinum

Thanks for this, MJ. Not that I miind being wrong on this, but I had DC’s record as #16?

#1: Carrie’s Some Hearts
#2: Kelly’s Breakaway
#3: Daughtry
#4: Clay’s Meaning of a Man
#5: Kelly’s Thankful
#6: Carrie’s Carnival Ride
#7: Ruben’s Soulful
#8: Fantasia’s Free Yourself
#9: Clay’s Xmas CD
#10: Jordin
#11: Kellie’s Small Town Girl
#12: Kelly’s My December
#13: Taylor
#14: Josh Gracin
#15: Bo’s The Real Thing
#16: DC

Do I have someone in there who shouldn’t be?

You’re right. I forgot to add in Carrie’s Carnival Ride.

I’ve got a spreadsheet of numbers I’m working on right now, but it’s not yet complete.

Archie is 18th.

Do I have someone in there who shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be?

I understood that as best selling idol cummulatively. Kelly’s 3 albums should be added up to one total and only one ranking. I could be wrong though.

ETA: Oops, I guess I was wrong. Hee.

PROUD TO BE THE 2 DAVIDS’ FAN! Congratulations!

But shouldn’t it be 13th best selling idol? 16th is the best selling album by an idol.

But shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t it be 13th best selling idol? 16th is the best selling album by an idol.

Yes. My bad. I worded it incorrectly.

Thanks, MJ. My source was wikipedia, and I’m generally willing to use it as a starting point, but you can never be sure that it’s accurate….

If I’m reading this HDD article correct, DC’s album was #67 for the calendar year in sales as of the end of last week (the 12/20 billboard issue): http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news07388m01

OK, everyone pretend you’re reading my post for the first time. LOL. I had to make another little correction–to Archie’s paragraph.

Maybe I need to call it a night. LOL.

I just tried to post this and my internet went out..grr..anyway..I just wanted to say that I think Amercian Idol season 7 lucked out this year with the two Davids. I just dont see anyone coming close to that in season 8, but who knows what will happen.

Congratulations David Cook..I love the whole cd, and going gold is awesome. Every song is so wonderful. I also just bought Archies cd after trying to find it for a week or so…I love it…I think his new song is gonna do great, possibly better than Crush. After all, he does have an amazing voice. Pure and stunning.

I’m confused lol.

FolkFan, I saw ladymadonna’s table on scribd and it says that David C. is 15th, which placing is the correct one?

Thanks!

widz delurking because I think folk fan might be sleeping (as I should be) and because I had the same question

Ladymadonna has Josh at 500k in sales, but Ken’s latest numbers state he has reached 700k. So it looks like Cookie is at #16

Ahh okay..thanks gigglesmo3!

Thank you for the chart update, MJ. Also, Elliott’s My Kind of Holiday moved from 88 to 68 on the Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums chart.

So, if Kelly’s My December is the #12 best selling AI album, and it sold 780K (right? I took that figure from the other thread), than DC could potentially top that number by the end of the year. Not a certainty, but a definite possibility.

For now – Congratulations on the Gold, and a very happy birthday David Cook.

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That was Kellys 3rd cd in which was the second time she rebelled.Clive was not a happy camper and was not shy about saying he thought the cd stunk . The 1st time Kelly C rebelled after winning Idol where she got new management and tried to distant herself a bit .

I would guess that David would end up around #6-8 on that list when all is said and done. It’s only a matter of time until he goes platinum and possibly double platinum eventually.

Love all of these end of year charts and stats. Thank you to everyone who posts them here.

So, if Kellyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s My December is the #12 best selling AI album, and it sold 780K (right? I took that figure from the other thread), than DC could potentially top that number by the end of the year. Not a certainty, but a definite possibility.

Yeah, that! And even if it doesn’t do it this year, just think what it can do next year, because David Cook’s album sales are just beginning!!!!!!

Will HDD be having a building chart on Monday or have they started their 2-week chart shut down? Will SS report next Wednesday?

HDD has posted predicitions for next week, it includes Cook’s numbers.

YOUR WEAKEND-BEFORE-XMAS TOP 10 CHART PREVIEW: Next weekà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album chart may look something like this:
1. Taylor Swift (Big Machine), 340-355k
2. Keyshia Cole (Geffen debut), 300-315k
3. Jamie Foxx (J/RMG debut), 230-245k
4. Britney Spears (Jive/ZLG), 175-190k
4. Beyonce (Music World/Columbia), 175-190k
6. Nickelback (Roadrunner), 165-175k
7. Twilight (Chop Shop/Atlantic), 150-160k
8. AC/DC (Columbia), 140-150k
9. Fall Out Boy (Island/IDJ debut), 130-135k
10. Kanye West (Roc-A-Fella/IDJ), 125-130k
10. Now 29 (UMe), 125-130k
10. David Cook (19/RCA/RMG), 125-130k
10. Anthony Hamilton (LaFace/ZLG debut), 125-130k
Of course, with this being the last weekend before Christmas, these numbers are subject to change. And obviously Britney and Beyonce wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t both be #4, nor will we have four #10s. Ho, ho, ho. (12/19a)

And I wanted to say that I really like Richard Rushfield.

I had rather assumed that there would be no HDD “weakend” update, and that, if there were, that the debuts would mean that we would not get a DC estimate. Man, it would be lovely if he were in that range. Last week, he sold more than the estimate, but otherwise, he’s been pretty much right there.

I’m not sure where numbers will come from at all next week. I don’t know that we’ll get a building chart, there’s a reasonable chance that Ken will be on vacation next Wednesday, and our favorite leak site has still not leaked this week’s Billboard 200. Kirsten, MJ: during past Xmas weeks, were you able to get access to sales numbers the week of Christmas?

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Congrats to Cookie and Jordin… and go DATA a little push to be gold before December 28th… lol…

Congrats to Cook! When is his birthday?

Congrats to Jordin too! FINALLY!

Hopefullly Archie will hit gold by his birthday He’s doing well so far!

Okay, never mind…I just looked it up to see that Cook’s birthday is tomorrow. I knew it was soon, but couldn’t remember the exact date. How cool that he hit gold status in time for his birthday and Archie might do the same! What a great year those two have had!

DC’s birthday is December 20th, tomorrow.

OMG, I really didn’t expect an HDD prediction this week (didn’t expect Cook to be in the top 10 sellers anymore) and certainly didn’t expect that range!!! I’m so happy for him.

I assume he won’t be in the final top 10 (the two #4s pretty much make sure of that) – but if he’s even close to that ballpark, he’ll crack 700K next week, and that’s what I’ve been hoping for.

In short – Wow, I’m one happy camper right now.

ETA: Oops, they actually skipped #5, so potentially he could be in the Top 10. Uh, I won’t be sad if he isn’t, as long as that number, or anything above 118K, holds. Yipeee!

10. David Cook (19/RCA/RMG), 125-130k

Well, I predicted 120-150K, so it looks like he might make the lower estimate. 120K will be very good, but I still think he can make the 150K that I think he can do, let’s see.

120K will be very good, but I still think he can make the 150K that I think he can do, letà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s see

Eh, I try very hard to not get my hopes up. That just leads to disappointment, even when there’s nothing to be disappointed in.

The last two weeks, HDD has come in below the mark by about 4K each time, and I’d be very happy to see the same thing happen this week, but honestly, if DCTR tops 700K, I’ll be extatic anyway.

We still have one more week with 3 days of Christmas shopping in it (and a rerun of SNL, and the Disney Parade), so I expect next week’s results to be good as well.
My end of the year projection was 700-800K, and right now, it looks like that figure could be met and exceeded. Fabulous.

There are two #4s (with Britney and Beyonce having the same estimates), so the placements on HDD are accurate.

And, yes, I was asleep when widz’s question came through.

I guess 70k will be a tall order for DA, but I’d like to see it so he can go gold before the end of the year also.

There are two #4s (with Britney and Beyonce having the same estimates), so the placements on HDD are accurate.

Yeah, at first I thought there were two #4s and a #5, so I thought anyone in the #10 position wouldn’t be on the chart anyway.
I was in a number-trance, I think… (;

I don’t know about Kanye, but I think Now 29 has a better shot at the top 10, so I’m not expecting David to make it for the 5th week in a row.

Eeep, I’m such a post ho’ today. Scuse me.

HOLY CRAP those numbers! ZOMG!

I guess 70k will be a tall order for DA, but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d like to see it so he can go gold before the end of the year also.

70K before the end of the year is nothing.

70K before the end of the year is nothing.

Well he’ll certainly get it in the next 2 weeks, the question is will he get all 70K this week so he can go gold in time for his birthday. Looking at the top 10 numbers, it looks like there will be a healthy boost for everybody in the next update. Add the fact he went on sale this week, I say Archie’s got a pretty decent shot. Fingers crossed.

HOLY CRAP those numbers! ZOMG!

It makes sense. It’s the last weekend before Christmas and there’s supposed to be a bump. The question was would he be able to stay with the wave. Looking good!

I think Archies new video which was smartl released just before Christmas will push his sales up.

10. David Cook (19/RCA/RMG), 125-130k

This is GREAT NEWS for David Cook!!!

::Fingers crossed::

tinawina- My only major concern is that the stores don’t have many of DA’s CD. If it isn’t there, they can’t buy it, even if it is on sale. Every time I go into my walmart, there are hardly any of his CD’s and tons of everyone else. I have heard others on his fansites say that when they go into the store, there aren’t any of his Cd’s. I don’t know how it works, but maybe since he is the runner up, they have lower expectations from him and don’t order as many. Not sure.

LK08, I wouldn’t worry about it. I actually used to work at a record distributor way back when. If it was a problem last week they will certainly correct it going into this week. Everybody wants to make money especially in this economy!

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know how it works, but maybe since he is the runner up, they have lower expectations from him and donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t order. Not sure.

I really can’t imagine being a runner up has to do with it. As far as I know retailers decide how many units to order based on how many units they move on a regular basis.
Makes no sense to under-stock hot commodity, they’ll just end up losing money. If they understocked last week, they’ll order more this week.

I definitely think Archie will sell 70K this week for Gold. He was at 59K last week, so a small bump and he’s there, and with the album going on sale and such a strong sales week, I’m sure he’ll get that bump.

I wonder though tinawina if they don’t have enough, how do they know how many they can move? I hope it isn’t a problem.

Basically, DA needs an increase of about 18.6% to make 500K this week. The numbers above for the songs that have been in the top 10 in recent weeks seem to indicate a market increase that would support that kind of an increase for DA, plus being on sale at Best Buy and Walmart this weekend would help with that.

I’m not sure exactly what you are asking LKO8, but I’ll try to answer anyway. LOL. Somewhere there is a warehouse in every region holding massive amounts of CDs for the Sony/BMG label group. They are charged with stocking the stores in their region. They work with the local retailers… phone calls, in store visits… trying to get their products carried and properly displayed. This time of year, the distributor and the store reps are in constant contact. It is someone’s job to get any store that is running low on a hot product more CDs fast, so as to maximize sales. If Archie is indeed running out in a particular store, the distributor will adjust the shipments and send restock CDs accordingly. And if he’s on sale somewhere, it is expected they will need more stock and that store will get a bigger shipment. All the music buyer at the store has to do is call. Now it’s not a perfect science or anything so underestimates happen, but they tend to get corrected quickly around this time of year, unless the warehouse didn’t have that many to begin with. But I can’t imagine that was the case with Archie. Hope this helps.

In the isle labeled pop music at the Walmart I went to, DA wasn’t there at all. No placeholder or anything. I finally found it at an endcap at the bottom. Something funny (I thought) was that Cook’s CD was prominently displayed in the Disney music display. There was a whole row of him. lol. I think customers mess with the cd’s so much that they get messed up, and I also think (because I saw it firsthand) that the sales folks on the floor could care less about keeping it all straight. They were busy busy busy when I was there. Hot sales going on in the music dept at that store! Tellin’ ya!

I guess 70k will be a tall order for DA, but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d like to see it so he can go gold before the end of the year also.

Not necessarily. I actually think he’ll have no problem getting that 70K this week and possibly more, but we’ll see what happens. For all we know he could be looking at an 85K-100K week, we just don’t know since he wasn’t mentioned in the latest HDD blurb. At any rate, I think Archie’s album will certainly sell gold before the start of 2009.

Congratulations to Jordin on her platinum album! What a great birthday present! Congrats to DC as well, he’s killin’ it so far! Looks like he’ll have another great week of sales-a nice birthday present for him as well! On a non-Idol related note, I’m really happy to see that Anthony Hamilton’s album is predicted to have a very nice opening week of sales.

Great sales for DC and Jordin! I’m happy for them and their fans.

I was in my local Walmart today, and they had a decently-sized stock of David Archuleta’s album. Had some at the bottom of the end-cap and some in the pop section, right at eye level. I didn’t see any indicators that it was on sale, however. (It might ring up that way, but if people don’t know it’s for sale ….)
I’m right here in Cook-land, and there were no David Cook albums to be had. I wonder if some of what is happening is geographical — LK08, are you in an area that plays DA a lot (or in Utah)? Because that would explain the situation. Of course, I have read about similar worries from several other fans on DA forums. But I really don’t think there’s a conspiracy. And I agree with those who say he’ll likely get enough of a boost this week to make gold, or he could miss it by a smidge and reach gold status by the start of the new year. He’ll be ecstatic with whatever happens, you know? I’m going to take my cue from him.

My only major concern is that the stores donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have many of DAà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s CD. If it isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t there, they canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t buy it, even if it is on sale. Every time I go into my walmart, there are hardly any of his CDà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s and tons of everyone else. I have heard others on his fansites say that when they go into the store, there arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t any of his Cdà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know how it works, but maybe since he is the runner up, they have lower expectations from him and donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t order as many. Not sure.

I saw DA had around 3 stacks in most stores (aisle & new releases) and some near the cash registers such as Target, Wal-Mart, Best-Buy initially like the 1st 2 1/2 weeks after the release. It was very prominently displayed. Then his CD was no longer in the new-releases up front or aisle stack. New releases are big this time of the year so they just make room for those newer releases. That is when the artist sees the most sales during those 1st couple weeks. I’d imagine other factors come into play like not being able to keep CDs in stock due to volume sold and so those would have prominant displays & continue to be prominently displayed to coorespond with sale volumes and retailers don’t care so-and-so was on A.I. or was “just a runner-up.” It’s not personal–just sales volume and how many units are sold daily and if they can’t keep a CD in stock due to huge sales they’ll increase the order for that CD of that Artist and increase the number of stacks & its visibility.

In reverse when Cook released his there were only 1-2 stacks here and there initially and as his sales continued then I saw 4-6 stacks all over the store and they too were prominently displayed. Britney had like 8 stacks, Nickleback had around 5 – all prominently displayed.

Congratulations to Jordin on her platinum album! What a great birthday present!

What?! It’s Jordin’s birthday too?! WOW! When is her birthday?!

Jordin turns ONLY NINETEEN?!?!!! on the 22nd

So that’s platinum and gold combined xmas/bday presents (I bet they hate that) for our two latest Idols!

Something funny (I thought) was that Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s CD was prominently displayed in the Disney music display. There was a whole row of him. lol.

My observations from sunny San Diego. :smile2_tb:

Went to the closest Target store and found this:
Both Archie and Cook in the Rock / Pop section in their proper alphabetical slot. DA had 5 CDs and Cook had 2 CDs.
Didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see either of them in any end caps.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know what was in the Disney section > I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even know such a section existed.
I strongly doubt anyone would be looking for a Cook CD in the Disney section.
Do you think that was someoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s idea of a joke? Ha ha

Wow! I really hope DC hangs onto the top 10 for another week, because 5 weeks in the top 10 just sounds so awesome… but I’m guessing NOW (which really baffles me) or Kanye (man, I was gonna get that CD– maybe I’ll be a good fan and wait another week since he’s “competition” haha) will grab the spot. I think I will buy the new FOB though, because I like the new album and feel bad for their low debut…

I have a pretty good feeling about Archie going gold this weekend. The timing seems perfect. By most accounts, he’s been winning fans and radio goodwill with his Christmas shows, the holiday shopping week appears to in full swing from the HDD estimates, he’s on sale at WM (and I guess BB too?), his new video just leaked (which, btw, I watched with a huge smile plastered on my face, it was so frickin adorable), and his new single is already getting spins well ahead of impact date. Go Davids!

I strongly doubt anyone would be looking for a Cook CD in the Disney section.

Light On is currently #19 on the Radio Disney Top 30 Countdown:

http://radio.disney.go.com/music/top30.html

Crush is #3. So, not so strange to find either David in a Disney display. Nickelback and Paramore are also on the list. From what I can tell, Disney has been trying to give themselves an edgier image the last few years, with more rock-oriented acts and movies that aren’t rated G.

Ooh, sorry I’m being a post-wh-re, but I find the stocking issue to be an interesting topic– though also an amorphous one since we don’t have any hard data (even though tinawina’s description of the distribution logistics was helpful). I can only speak of my individual experience, which is that I’ve yet to come upon a really in-yo-face display of either Davids’ CDs– but barring that one time where I found DCTR to be sold-out during his release week, they’ve both been available if you just look/ask. That doesn’t seem to be that conducive to impulse buying… but I’m not an impulse music buyer, so I guess the whole placement thing isn’t as big a deal to me.

Before getting into this Idol sales tracking thing, and learning from folks here all about music buying patterns and seasonal sales trends, I never understood why any store would need to put out more than a couple of each CD, lol. I buy music one of two ways: online for the price/convenience if I know what I want, or after browsing a brick and mortar store for a decent amount of time if I’m not looking for something specific. I like to flip through ALL the alphabetized slots at a store to a) see what new stuff is out from artists I already like and b) see if I come across CDs from new artists that have recently caught my ear. But apparently that’s not typical during the holidays .

Interestingly, I consistently see a ton of Beyonce everywhere I go, and have never seen a Taylor Swift display– which I find bizarre. Maybe it’s a demographics thing (I’m in a major city?), or maybe Taylor is so popular that she’s selling out everywhere I go; otherwise, I have no ideal how she is getting those huge numbers.

What fabulous numbers. I wasn’t prepared for DCTR’s continued selling in the six figures. Not complaining, just marveling at the stablized and sustained sales. This is awesome.

Again, there is no conspiracy amongst the Retailers. If anyone is having a hard time with stock, I would suggest asking politely at Customer Service to find a neighborhood WalMart closeby that has it. They seem fairly close to one another. You can also email or call WalMart’s customer service to see about shipment schedules planned for your local or nearest WalMart. They’ll want your sale and will help if they can or at least direct you to their online store. I don’t think this appears to be a systemic or national problem and could also be an issue with that particular location. Good thing that both records are available at Target, Best Buys, Circuit City, Fryes, Bloomingdales, Barnes and Noble and a number of other Retail competitors.

Smallie — here in NE Kansas I see more Taylor Swift than Beyonce CDs — and country radio is huge. I think geographics must play a part.

Interestingly, I consistently see a ton of Beyonce everywhere I go, and have never seen a Taylor Swift displayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ which I find bizarre. Maybe ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a demographics thing (Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m in a major city?), or maybe Taylor is so popular that sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s selling out everywhere I go; otherwise, I have no ideal how she is getting those huge numbers.

It might be demographics. I would imagine she’d get pushed harder in regions that sell a lot of country. That said, no amount of promotion is going to make a difference when you are dealing with a phenomenon like Taylor Swift’s latest album. Sometimes the public just wants what it wants, and you could stick all the CDs in a small dirty box in the shoe department and people will still find them and buy them all. She’s just got it like that right now!

I strongly doubt anyone would be looking for a Cook CD in the Disney section.

I never thought he would be singing on the Disney Christmas parade either. These things are unexplainable LOL Actually not just LO, but TOML got lots of airplay on Radio Disney.

or maybe Taylor is so popular that sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s selling out everywhere I go; otherwise, I have no ideal how she is getting those huge numbers.

I was actually looking for her CD the other day because I found out one of my nieces wants it for Christmas so I looked for it in Target, didn’t see it and when I asked one of the salespeople he told me they were getting in about 200 the next day “for this week”, that they could hardly keep up with the demand.

listen: I read somewhere else that another fan of Cook’s found him in the Disney section. Maybe he is placed with the Disney kids because of his upcoming Disney Christmas Parade performance. And I also heard that some stores have DA is with the Disney kids. So who knows what’s going on.

And with all the out of stock stories, why aren’t Archie’s fans buying his CD that comes with an autographed booklet at Newbury Comics? Cook sold all of his in the first week and I feel bad that Archie’s is still sitting there.

Congratulations to all the Idols that have strong sales, and hip hip hooray for both David’s that are selling very well.

I think archie will make gold this week. He was what 59K last week. I expect a jump for him..at least to 70k probably even more. Thats what Im hoping anyway. and I know nothing about numbers. Look for those numbers to go up now too since his new single is out. Congrats archie..nice bday present for you.

Wow to Cooks numbers…..What a nice bday present for him also. Hes such a good guy and deserves it all. Love the cd too……( I hope he stays in top 10)

Crush is #3. So, not so strange to find either David in a Disney display. Nickelback and Paramore are also on the list. From what I can tell, Disney has been trying to give themselves an edgier image the last few years, with more rock-oriented acts and movies that arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t rated G.

I don’t think Radio Disney is trying to be edgier–they have a core audience and a specific goal for their stations. That is to entertain children and pre-teens. If a song isn’t G-rated, they edit it to be G-rated.

Look at Radio Disney’s top 10 songs (this is actual numbers, not their countdown):

3 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Love Story 3876 3774 102
4 2 DAVID ARCHULETA Crush 3723 3723 -
9 3 HANNAH MONTANA It’s All Right Here 3672 3519 153
8 4 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL 3 CAST A Night To Remember 3621 3621 -
6 5 EMILY OSMENT Once Upon A Dream 3621 3672 -51
5 6 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL 3 CAST Right Here, Right No… 3570 3672 -102
1 7 JONAS BROTHERS Lovebug 3366 3825 -459
2 8 DEMI LOVATO Get Back 3315 3774 -459
7 9 MILEY CYRUS Fly On The Wall 2856 3672 -816
15 10 JONAS BROTHERS BB Good 2142 1785 357

There’s nothing edgy about that. If anything, LO is an aberration on the station–played possibly because of DC’s connection with the generally kid-friendly American Idol. But it’s not really a Radio Disney-type song, and I think that’s ok. I’m not sure DC would want to be considered a Radio Disney artist. DA is a Radio Disney artist, and that’s fine too. He’s a squeeky clean guy that sings catchy pop music. It’s pretty much the perfect combination for Radio Disney. The fact that his songs and performance are much better than the hyper-pop that actual Disney labels put out is a bonus. I fully expect ALTNOY to get played to death on Radio Disney–it’s already up to over 700 spins this week.

And with all the out of stock stories, why arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans buying his CD that comes with an autographed booklet at Newbury Comics? Cook sold all of his in the first week and I feel bad that Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s is still sitting there.

Don’t feel bad. Please. I knew about this autographed CD, but most people didn’t (it never really made the fansite or message board “news rounds”). And some of the ones who did know about it weren’t going to pay $17 for an autograph they can get for free at one of the many, many appearances David made over the summer and in December. Besides, we have no clue how many each of them signed. DA’s album was a top 10 seller at Newbury for the first and second week his album was on sale–he was selling quite a bit there.

btw… I checked today… my target has no DA or DC cds… pfftttttt….

frogcooke “btwà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I checked todayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ my target has no DA or DC cdsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ pffttttttà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.”

That’s not good news, did you ask the store manager to order more?

tinawina from page 1- thanks for the info about how stocking works.

I am definitely not a conspiracy theory kind of person, so I don’t imagine there are people out to help DA or Cook fail.

And with all the out of stock stories, why arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans buying his CD that comes with an autographed booklet at Newbury Comics? Cook sold all of his in the first week and I feel bad that Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s is still sitting there.

Funny thing- this is the first time I heard about some autographed booklet at Newbury comics, but I was out of town all last week and out of touch.

I just heard that there is a Life Story magazine devoted to DA, so I am behind.

Nice to see Jordin finally go platinum officially. She’s the Rodney Dangerfield of Idol – she never gets enough respect. No Air was the #6 video on VH1 videos of 2008 with Leona Lewis at #1 for Bleeding Love. The Davids were in the 20s with A ahead of C by a few slots. Daughtry also placed very high with a couple of his songs.

I have three Wal-Marts within a 25 min. driving range from my office, all of which I have been in frequently in the last couple of weeks. All have plenty of both DC and Archie’s CD’s in stock. The one nearest to the local college seems to be purchasing more of the DC CD’s however, while the one in the more suburban section of the county seems to go for Archie . However, the one in the middle of the county, the one located between the outlying (mostly WASP) country residents and the highest local concentration of urban African-Americans residents, seems to have a plethora of both artists still for sale. I haven’t been to my local Target lately, but if anyone can’t find the Davids there, Best Buy is just down the strip mall and the nearest Wal-Mart is only one interstate exit away.

DC goes gold! What a wonderful birthday present for him (and me!) I’m so excited he’s doing so well, I’ve never had a favorite win and do really well. He completely deserves it. And good for Archie too, he’s also doing great.

I’m glad that Jordin finally got her platinum – it’s hard to believe it took that long with 3 hit singles, but the hit singles are an accomplishment on their own. Is there any word on what her next single will be?

I’ve got to admit that I’m a little surprised by the strength DC’s album sales. All the handwringing over Light On seems silly now. I do hope that the next single is something that can make a larger and faster impact on Top 40, just to see how a more popular single would impact album sales. (I know, I know, LO is still gaining spins…) He’s likely to have another good week next week, so even if his sales drop to 20K in January, he should still hit platinum by by March at the latest. (or do January sales tend to be even worse than an 80% drop?)

And with all the out of stock stories, why arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans buying his CD that comes with an autographed booklet at Newbury Comics? Cook sold all of his in the first week and I feel bad that Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s is still sitting there.

Setting aside whether or not people know of this, online availability is not quite relevant to the discussion about stock. The out-of-stock/poor placement concerns are related to fear that there will be a significant loss of opportunity with impulse buyers at stores. Of course, fans will get their hands on one no matter what– in this age of online ordering, it’s not like Amazon or Walmart.com would ever sell out of a CD. Neither Davids’ CDs are in danger of becoming the Tickle Me Elmo of this season (ooh, dated reference– my little cousins are old now so I don’t know the hot toys anymore!) and actually selling out. Wait– thought of a more current example: the Wii last Christmas was pretty impossible to get in person or online. What was my point? Oh yeah. The hardcore fans already have the CDs. Now it’s all about grabbing new ones or casually interested holiday shoppers, and for that, store placement matters.

smallie- I think you are right. The people who really want it will get the album, but the impulse buyers buy things when they are front and center or by the checkout stand. I guess it will take times for these boys to get to the point where everyone puts them in those prime spots all of the time. They are just too new right now. Once they get a great longterm track record, maybe that will change.

BTW- I sell online and I sold a number of Wii’s last year and Tickle me Elmos (was that last year or the year before?). I am afraid CD’s will never be like tickle me elmo’s or wii’s. The boys concerts might be, hopefully.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m glad that Jordin finally got her platinum – ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hard to believe it took that long with 3 hit singles, but the hit singles are an accomplishment on their own. Is there any word on what her next single will be?

Oh I know. I couldn’t believe how long it seemed to take her to get to platinum. I really hope Archie gets there before this time next year. Then again, slow and steady isn’t such a bad way to go either. Even if it does take him a while to hit platinum status, as long as he keeps selling consistently, that’s really what matters.

I also have to add that it’s really nice to see that generally this blog has so many people that are supportive of both Davids. You don’t find that very often. It’s nice to see that not everyone thinks they need to still compete with each other.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m glad that Jordin finally got her platinum – ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hard to believe it took that long with 3 hit singles, but the hit singles are an accomplishment on their own. Is there any word on what her next single will be?

I’m not surprised it took her that long. I just got my year-end issue of Billboard. MJ already posted a lot of the stats, but I’m not sure if she posted the label stats. Zomba is the #1 Hot Digital Song label group, the #1 Pop 100 label group, and the #1 Mainstream top 40 label, Jive is the #1 Mainstream Top 40 imprint, #1 Hot Digital Songs imprint and the #1 Hot 100 imprint. All of these charts are geared towards radio airplay and single sales. Zomba and Jive are not found in the top 5 of any of the charts dealing with album sales.

There must be a fundamental difference in the way things work over at Jive/Zomba than other labels/groups. Part of it is probably the roster they have–primarily pop/pop-R&B/urban acts. And part of it could be the way Zomba/Jive has chosen to market their artists–what they’ve chosen to focus on and how they make money. Since Zomba isn’t struggling financially (any moreso than other successful labels in this economy), I’m thinking their rank in terms of album sales isn’t hurting their bottom line. They rarely drop artists and I’ve only ever heard of one artist “parting ways” with Jive–JC Chasez.

Jordin is doing extremely well for Jive in terms of single sales, album sales and radio airplay. I would consider her to be one of their top artists, and she’s probably making them some nice money.

ETA: I don’t think Jordin will have a 4th single off her debut album. “Permanent Monday” was set to be released but it looks like it’ll be scratched. I think she’s set to work on her second album soon.

I heard “Light On” on the radio for the first time today as I was driving home in a horrible snowstorm. Ha ha.

I haven’t heard “Light On” yet, although the DJ promised they were playing it. The immortal Magic Rainbow lives on, though. :yell_tb:

I heard à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Light Onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on the radio for the first time today as I was driving home in a horrible snowstorm. Ha ha.

First time? Really? Wow! I hear it just about every time I turn the radio on. Then again, I do live in the Kansas City area. That might have something to do with it – LOL!

Jordin is doing extremely well for Jive in terms of single sales, album sales and radio airplay. I would consider her to be one of their top artists, and sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s probably making them some nice money.

Yeah I imagine you’re right on that. Archie is likely doing the same and will hopefully continue. I do want his album to be platinum sooner though

Really MJ? I hear “Light On” all the time and I’m in the same area as you. Granted I listen to Mix 98.5 because I know they will play Cook (they love their idols on that station). Actually, I’ve heard LO more on the radio than “Crush” which I find funny because I think “Crush” is much more radio friendly.

I live in Utah and they play both guys here regularly, I hear. I don’t listen to the radio that much, but every time I go get my hair done, I hear Cook.

Oh I know. I couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe how long it seemed to take her to get to platinum. I really hope Archie gets there before this time next year. Then again, slow and steady isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t such a bad way to go either. Even if it does take him a while to hit platinum status, as long as he keeps selling consistently, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s really what matters.

That’s right. This might be an overused expression, but it’s so true-this is a marathon, not a sprint. As a fan of both Davids, I really don’t care how fast or how slow they reach certain milestones like gold or platinum-I just hope that they eventually get there. So far, things are looking pretty good. Jordin’s album may have taken a while to get to platinum status, but it’s there now and no one can take that away from her.

I heard Light On in my supermarket!!! But I don’t hear it on the radio here in LA. To be honest, though, I never listen to the radio. I’ve only heard Magic Rainbow on the radio once and I cried. Yeah, I’m THAT girl.

I’m glad there’s at least one station here in KC that plays both guys on a regular basis. I don’t expect to hear Archie’s new single anytime soon even after it’s officially released to radio for adds . Because the station that plays them both regularly is Hot AC and they don’t play new music until after it’s been out a little while. The station that plays newer music right away is not very Archie-friendly.

Oh boy, Idolfanatic. I know exactly what station you’re talking about and your comment is quite understated. I actually found myself listening to a very fuzzy station out of Manhattan earlier this year, just because I knew the PD was open to playing “Crush”.

Now I just listen to my CD.

KLZR in Lawrence is the one that plays them both. I think KUDL does too, but right now they’re playing all Christmas music and have been for a while now.

I haven’t heard LO at all because whenever I have the radio on there is more talk than music but I heard the DJ say coming up–David Cook but I got home and never heard it. I heard Crush on twice while driving home (same station). My daughter said she hears LO all the time and she tells me that when I’m in the car driving–it’s either too early in the morning (where they tend to talk too much about something or other & traffic & weather, etc.) or coming home at 5:00 when again they are talking about traffic and weather or some contest going on. I don’t listen to it at home. I did hear it when I went shopping once–they were playing it but I don’t remember where I was.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Radio Disney is trying to be edgierà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’they have a core audience and a specific goal for their stations.

I said “edgier”, not hardcore heavy metal, for goodness sakes. From my perspective, as someone who’s been watching pop culture evolve since the 60′s, Disney would not have touched rock artists like Miley, Demi, or the Jonas Brothers in the 60′s, 70′s or 80′s. In those days, all Disney movies were rated G. In 2003, the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie was the first Walt Disney Pictures film to be rated PG13. Trust me, that film would not have been aimed at kids when I was young. According to Wiki, the Disney Channel has been going for a hipper image since 2002. IMHO, the culture in general has become “edgier” in the last 20 years, and children’s entertainment has followed. I’m sorry, I’m not up for writing a dissertation filled with statistics to prove my point. I’m simply talking about trends I’ve observed over my lifetime.

As for Radio Disney, since no link was provided for the Top 10 songs played, I can’t judge what else they might be playing and how often. I will say though, that Paramore, Nickelback, and DC comprise 10% of the songs on the Disney countdown. That seems like more than an aberration to me. Demi and the Jonas Brothers are not exactly lite rock either. IMHO, LO is not that different from many of the JoBros songs, or from Nickelback. Paramore is an Alt rock band. My 12 year old daughter loves them. She also loves DC, Demi, Miley, and the JoBros. Not every preteen wants straight pop. Some like edgy rock, and Disney seems to be catering to that. So, I don’t find it strange that Light On is on the list. Between the business ties that AI and Disney share, the AI appeal to kids, and David Cook’s broad overall appeal, I see no reason why Disney, and kids, shouldn’t like his music.

the list of top 50 disney songs can easily be found on AllAccess.com btw.. just so you know. Under all stations(us) > radio disney (you have to sign up but its free)

Hm, isn’t Britney Spears with Jive/Zomba? I know her second week drop was dramatic given that she’s Britney Spears and all. I think her Labels would like both – album and single sales. I’d even hazard to guess they’d prefer the album sales if given a choice. Usually in her articles, like the one in January’s Glamour, highlight her selling over 25M records as a major accomplishment- very little mention of platinum singles.

Jordin has followed her own and unique path to post AI success. No, she did sell mutilple platinum records right of the bat like Kelly or Carrie, but she certainly didn’t go the way of Taylor. I admire how her record seems to keep slowly but methodically chugging along in its sales. She just does it quietly. Impressive. I didn’t watch AI6 and only saw her on the AI7 finale and read of her successes on MJ’s. So good on her. A new AI model of success to know consider and compare against.

Britney is with Jive/Zomba, yes. lol And yeah its probably easier to compare David with Jordin than anyone, at least idol based. Considering they are both on the same label and genre.

I didn’t realize that people really wanted DC to be a Radio Disney artist, but hey, that’s cool. And I’m serious–Disney is cool.

When I said aberration, I didn’t mean there were no other songs on Radio Disney that could be classified as rock. I meant that 90% of the music is not edgy at all (the JoBros aren’t edgy). I don’t think 10% of any stations playlist can constitute it moving in a particular direction different than the other 90%. There was a time in the late 90s when I did listen to Radio Disney because a band I liked was being played. And the mix was just about the same then as it is now–mostly Disney-label-related songs plus some mainstream songs (edited if necessary) that are generally pop or pop-R&B in nature, with some pop-rock or AC rock thrown in. It really hasn’t changed much from the late 90s to now. I guess if you want to go back further, maybe it’s changed from the 70s or 80s.

As frogcooke mentioned, Radio Disney’s rolling playlist stats can be found on All Access. I can’t provide you a link because All Access will always take you to the front page (you need an account). The top 10 I posted count spins from last Wednesday to yesterday. LO is #21 on its playlist as of today.

lw TW Artist Title TW lw Move
25 21 DAVID COOK Light On 1632 1632 -

Hm, isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Britney Spears with Jive/Zomba? I know her second week drop was dramatic given that sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Britney Spears and all. I think her Labels would like both – album and single sales. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d even hazard to guess theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d prefer the album sales if given a choice. Usually in her articles, like the one in Januaryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Glamour, highlight her selling over 25M records as a major accomplishment- very little mention of platinum singles.

Any label would prefer both. Jive/Zomba artists sell albums–just not as many as artists from other labels. And there are labels that sell less albums than Jive. Jive/Zomba just happens to be better at selling singles and radio airplay, generally speaking, or so says Billboard and their annual rankings. Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake aren’t the norm at Jive/Zomba–Jordin is (and she actually does better than a lot of Jive artists). And not even Britney sells like Britney sold in the early part of this decade. I’m sure they would highlight 25 million albums sold–because she sold 25 million albums. But that doesn’t change what Jive is in the here and now for most of its artists, or where its strengths seem to lie.

Yes well JT and Britney are not the norm regardless of genre. But what nice powerhouses to have in a Label’s portfolio. Singles artists are not always remembered a few years down the line. That’s why I think that Jorin’s platinum sucess is a strong achievement and rightfully worth mentioning given how hard it is to achieve. So many artists did not last year, changing times, so kudos to Jordin. And go Cook – more than halfway there in 4 weeks. Now there is a marked contrast in sales trajectory (speed) between AI6 winner’s pace vis a vis the AI7 winner.I should think Platinum will be reached sooner.

RCA obviously knows of RadioDisney’s adds and are fine with it. I have no complaints with RCA thus far. I’m sure they are happy, too.. I’ll take almost any radio spin or play.

Thanks Lisa. All this information that I’ve been learning here and other places about how different labels work has been very interesting.. the Billboard stats especially. No wonder Jive didn’t dump Jordin when her album sales looked bleak early on.

RCA obviously knows of RadioDisneyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s adds and are fine with it. I have no complaints with RCA thus far. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure they are happy, too.. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll take almost any radio spin or play.

I completely agree. A spin is a spin is a spin. I attribute Crush staying in the top 50 on iTunes to Radio Disney. It’s not monitored, but it has an effect.

My point wasn’t that DC shouldn’t be played on Radio Disney, just that I didn’t think LO was really a Radio Disney-type song. It surprised me when they started playing it and I think it surprised others as well. But every playlist has a few songs that are a little different from the rest.

Oh, and yeah, I think Jordin’s success is fantastic–and it is a different model of success than we’ve been accustomed to.

Usually in [Brit's] articles, like the one in Januaryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Glamour, highlight her selling over 25M records as a major accomplishment- very little mention of platinum singles.

That’s because she doesn’t have much to brag about in the single department. They can either focus on the fact that she has sold TWENTY-FIVE MILLION records or they can focus on the fact that she has 4 platinum selling singles listed in the RIAA database (“Baby One More Time”, “From the Bottom of My Broken Heart”, “Gimme More”, and “Piece of Me” (although “Womanizer” has sold more than a million now too. It’s just not showing up on the RIAA database, yet)). That’s chump change for today’s artists. None of them are listed as being multi-platinum.

Brit’s huge hit albums came in the days before iTunes. People keep forgetting that sales of digital downloads have MUSHROOMED in the last 3 years. Back in early 2006, you could get a platinum selling download by moving 200K units. Many big singles move that in a week now (I notice nobody ever normalizes single sales to previous years, because those numbers would be sad). While Brit was off having babies and breakdowns, iTunes came into being. So, it’s not surprising she doesn’t have a lot of platinum selling singles yet. She’s just getting back into the game now. There is no doubt that she is a successful artist. She just didn’t have her big successes during the Download Era.

Now, I’m not an expert on how record labels make money, but whatever Jive/Zomba is doing is likely deemed to be successful by Sony. Sony/BMG didn’t decide to put Barry (Barry=Jive/Zomba) in charge of the BMG wing of the company because they thought his business mode was crap. They probably wanted him in charge because they wanted his management style and whatever he was doing to influence the entire company. Meanwhile, Clive (Clive=RCA) was given a nice little make-believe job and told to just play in the corner and not hurt anybody (Clive isn’t likely going to stay there, so this could get interesting). Clearly, RCA is very successful (as are many of the people on the label – the problem is that they end up dropping a lot of artists. Their Big Bang Theory of music isn’t producing a big enough bangs to make up for the artists that fizzle), but Sony/BMG (now Sony) probably decided they liked the Jive/Zomba model a little better. I have to think that they know what they are doing, but then I’ve seen a lot of companies make stupid moves in the last year, so maybe they don’t.

Now there is a marked contrast in sales trajectory (speed) between AI6 winnerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pace vis a vis the AI7 winner.I should think Platinum will be reached sooner.

I was curious where Jordin was at this point last year so I went back and looked at Ken Barnes sales data. Really mindboggling. I knew things for her and Blake were bad in the beginning, well his sales stayed bad, but wow. Ken’s last update before he went on vacation was 12/19 and her sales were at 283,000. That’s about 300,00 less than where DC is. Blake was at 156,000, quite a contract to Archie’s 430,000. Major kudos to Jordin for her current sales.

I was curious where Jordin was at this point last year so I went back and looked at Ken Barnes sales data. Really mindboggling. I knew things for her and Blake were bad in the beginning, well his sales stayed bad, but wow. Kenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s last update before he went on vacation was 12/19 and her sales were at 283,000. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s about 300,00 less than where DC is. Blake was at 156,000, quite a contract to Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s 430,000. Major kudos to Jordin for her current sales.

That is mindboggling, Trina. Thanks for bringing that over. And congratulations to Jordin for doing as well as she did in the last year. It’s great to see that the Davids are having a great start as well.

Kenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s last update before he went on vacation was 12/19 and her sales were at 283,000. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s about 300,00 less than where DC is. Blake was at 156,000, quite a contract to Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s 430,000. Major kudos to Jordin for her current sales.

Trina,
Can we assume as well that the sales this year are worse than last year, making the AI 7 idols success even more stellar?

Okay, here’s another question. Was Jordin the first AI finalist to sign with Jive? I’m not asking about winners, but simply finalists.

They have done an awesome job of getting her out there! Wow! Amazing numbers considering where she started.

Also, (this has probably been asked before and to some may be obvious), what other pop artists are with Jive?

I have to say DA was wise to go with Jive. I truly believe he will go so much further than Jordin.

However, I am so happy for her!!! Happy B-Day Jordin! Yeah!!!! Keep going!

Yes, I believe Jordin was the first to sign with Jive. Other pop artists with Jive: Britney, Justin, Usher, Chris Brown (to name a few).

^^Correction: Usher is with LaFace, not Jive, but they’re all under the Zomba Label Group.

I had heard that part of the delay in Jordin’s contract signing was that she and her Dad were pushing for Jive rather than the normal RCA signing–but that could be just a rumor. I, too, am really glad DA went with Jive. It’s a perfect fit for him as a young artist.

One of my new favorites is also signed with Jive–Lesley Roy. She’s more pop-rock than anything and I really liked her first single “I’m Gone, I’m Going” which didn’t quite take off (although my local station played it a lot). Her second single, “Unbeautiful,” seems to be doing better, though. They’ve also got Nick Lachey, Nick Cannon, T-Pain, Kelis, and the Backstreet Boys (among others).

Yes, this year is down quite a bit from last year, which was down quite a bit from 2006. It seems to me that Kirsten had some stats on that around the time that the David’s records debuted, and it looks like the holiday season (while still stronger than the rest of the year) hasn’t remedied the problem.

Glad you got home safely, MJ. Driving in a terrible snowstorm is awful.

Ok, it’s late in this thread and this may not be seen, but here I am again with another recurrent question. I seem to have a mental block where recurrents are concerned, lol. DA is at 40 on the mainstream top 40 this morning. Now, if he slips off that chart tomorrow, does that mean he cannot go recurrent later? I’ve been watching his slide there and am wondering does that mean it’s the end for Crush on that chart?

Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve also got Nick Lachey, Nick Cannon, T-Pain, Kelis, and the Backstreet Boys (among others).

That is not correct, Kelis is no longer with Jive, because Jive dropped Kelis.

Wait?! Nick Lachey is still with a major label? Did he have any platinum records? Am confuzzled by that seemingly random fact. I know labels have different reasons for signing and keeping artists and all, but sometimes those reasons are not apparent or crystal clear.

MJ, heard New England was socked by the storm. Glad LO guided you home.

Wait?! Nick Lachey is still with a major label? Did he have any platinum records?

There are a lot of factors involved. If the label can keep costs down for a project, the artist doesn’t have to move as many units to be deemed successful. Jive is rumoured to be very good at stretching promo budgets and being frugal (this all came out during the Barry/Clive thing).

Anyway, Nick’s last album was certified Gold, debuted number 2 on Billboard, had it’s debut single go to #6 on the Hot 100 and it’s follow-up go to #1 on the Hot Dance Airplay. His new album is supposed to be out in Feb, 2009.

Thanks to everyone who answered my questions regarding Jordin, Jive and other artists!

This is all very interesting! If it’s true that Jordin and her dad held out in order to sign with Jive, this also was a very smart move!

JudyOhio: A song has to stay in the top 40 for 20 weeks to go recurrent. That’s why Magic Rainbow managed to go recurrent on HAC (20 weeks on before it was removed), but not Top 40 (18 weeks on, I think).

DA is at 40 on the mainstream top 40 this morning. Now, if he slips off that chart tomorrow, does that mean he cannot go recurrent later? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been watching his slide there and am wondering does that mean ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the end for Crush on that chart?

Depends on if they purge the song or not. It’ll likely stay at 40 tomorrow, so it’ll remain on the chart this week and next week, whether it drops below 40 or not. Then next Sunday, if it’s below 40 they may purge it, or they may leave it on there. Really depends. It’s 2 weeks to recurrency. I’d like it to get there, but it doesn’t look like it will. The year-end countdowns may keep it afloat, but who knows. Really, recurrency does only one thing for a song–allows it to appear on recurrent charts. Radio stations more often play recurrents years later than non-recurrents (simply because a song that stays on the chart longer is more recognizable period), but a song that missed recurrency by one or 2 weeks probably has just a good of a shot of getting later airplay than a song that hit the recurrent mark. And there are huge hits that did hit recurrency that are never heard again because they’re simply out of date.

Also, mediabase recurrents are different than recurrents measured by BDS (which Billboard uses). Some songs make recurrent on one and not the other. Crush is at 34 this week on BDS, with 18 weeks on the chart. It could make recurrent there.

Billboard 200 actual numbers finally leaked. I think this is all of the Idols on it:

10 COOK*DAVID DAVID COOK 103,544 19 87,069 582,048
21 ARCHULETA*DAVID DAVID ARCHULETA 59,077 6 55,699 430,492
50 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE CARNIVAL RIDE 26,942 35 20,017 2,516,976
81 HUDSON*JENNIFER JENNIFER HUDSON 15,223 8 14,087 503,728
104 DAUGHTRY DAUGHTRY 11,046 33 8,291 4,314,738
191 SPARKS*JORDIN JORDIN SPARKS 5,431 18 4,603 970,649

One more FF

140 PICKLER*KELLIE KELLIE PICKLER 8,333 24 6,745 129,189

I hope we get BB200 at some point next week because between Ken B. being off and no HDD it could get ugly.

Wow LO is #38 on iTunes. I think that’s the highest it’s been in quite some time. Fly little light, fly!!! Fly like a magic rainbow!

I knew that I was going to manage to miss one.

Next week, numbers could be hard to get. Doesn’t bode well that it took until late in the day on Saturday to get the billboard numbers. I’m trying not to think about it. At least there will be, you know, Christmas with the happy small children running around, overly hyped up on sugar and toys, to distract from the (potential) lack of numbers.