Comments on: Idol Headlines for 10/07/08 http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm American Idol - I Love This Cheesy Show Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: LK08 http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-5/#comment-154864 LK08 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:53:32 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154864 I hadn't read this thread, so I just got caught up and will reply generally since I can't begin to go back and remember who said what. I agree that DA appeals to all ages, as well as male and female. The males are coming out of the woodwork. My whole family is crazy about DA. My 22 year old son and his wife, my 20 year old daughter (all three of those have a diverse taste in music), my 17 year old son (a month older than DA) and my husband, and I. They all love crush. My husband is a great pianist (a hobby aside from his job as a computer science prof) and he figured out how to play crush on the piano. It has a very catchy rhythm and hook and DA has a wonderful voice. One thing to remember is that AI (from what I hear) has been losing younger fans for a while, not surprising since the themes tend to be on the older side. I suppose the theme issue also has a lot to do with licensing songs. DA has a huge older fanbase because he did sing so many older songs, and he has a very mature voice. Although his fans knew he could sing anything, Post AI, he had to reach out to the younger generations, so he IS being marketed to a younger audience as well as an 0lder audience. I think the exposure (having his face out there) is good, even if it is with Miley. Even though most of DA's fanbase aren't crazy about Miley, she is huge and everyone loves Disney. I do think it was wise for DA to turn down an appearance on High school musical 3, because then he would be associated with the bubblegum pop kids. One more thing- someone said something about Chris Brown saying he is not a rapper, so it is ok to like an animated movie. That hit the nail on the head. There is a certain, harder image a rapper or rocker must keep up, but DA, in pop, doesn't have to do that. I hadn’t read this thread, so I just got caught up and will reply generally since I can’t begin to go back and remember who said what.

I agree that DA appeals to all ages, as well as male and female. The males are coming out of the woodwork. My whole family is crazy about DA. My 22 year old son and his wife, my 20 year old daughter (all three of those have a diverse taste in music), my 17 year old son (a month older than DA) and my husband, and I. They all love crush. My husband is a great pianist (a hobby aside from his job as a computer science prof) and he figured out how to play crush on the piano. It has a very catchy rhythm and hook and DA has a wonderful voice.

One thing to remember is that AI (from what I hear) has been losing younger fans for a while, not surprising since the themes tend to be on the older side. I suppose the theme issue also has a lot to do with licensing songs. DA has a huge older fanbase because he did sing so many older songs, and he has a very mature voice. Although his fans knew he could sing anything, Post AI, he had to reach out to the younger generations, so he IS being marketed to a younger audience as well as an 0lder audience. I think the exposure (having his face out there) is good, even if it is with Miley. Even though most of DA’s fanbase aren’t crazy about Miley, she is huge and everyone loves Disney.

I do think it was wise for DA to turn down an appearance on High school musical 3, because then he would be associated with the bubblegum pop kids.

One more thing- someone said something about Chris Brown saying he is not a rapper, so it is ok to like an animated movie. That hit the nail on the head. There is a certain, harder image a rapper or rocker must keep up, but DA, in pop, doesn’t have to do that.

]]> By: uplink2 http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-5/#comment-154691 uplink2 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:29:52 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154691 Katharine is now with Untitled Management and Guy Oseary. She has been with them since right around the time of her CD release. She had signed with Azoff but changed to Untitled to have her Music and Film management under one umbrella. Katharine is now with Untitled Management and Guy Oseary. She has been with them since right around the time of her CD release. She had signed with Azoff but changed to Untitled to have her Music and Film management under one umbrella.

]]> By: cruzceleste http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154690 cruzceleste Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:29:11 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154690 ^^I like Nickelback  ´s song... :( ^^I like Nickelback  ´s song… :(

]]> By: cheese http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154686 cheese Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:25:15 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154686 Crush was also on the Pop 100 and Mainstream Top 40 airplay charts by the time it went to iTunes, and picked up radio play quickly from there. (I think Archie was added to XM before his add date and getting played on Z100 from the start had to help a lot). Plus, the song just has the perfect slick Top 40 sound and was probably easier to stick in the playlist with Jordin, Leona, Rihanna, Jordin, Rihanna and Leona even before the add date. If Nickelback is now making weird, poppy Hannah Montana songs, something like "Light On" might not fit in that well. Maybe they should remix it with some hip hop beats or see if Lil Wayne is available. Crush was also on the Pop 100 and Mainstream Top 40 airplay charts by the time it went to iTunes, and picked up radio play quickly from there. (I think Archie was added to XM before his add date and getting played on Z100 from the start had to help a lot).

Plus, the song just has the perfect slick Top 40 sound and was probably easier to stick in the playlist with Jordin, Leona, Rihanna, Jordin, Rihanna and Leona even before the add date. If Nickelback is now making weird, poppy Hannah Montana songs, something like “Light On” might not fit in that well. Maybe they should remix it with some hip hop beats or see if Lil Wayne is available.

]]> By: IndyMuse http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154676 IndyMuse Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:09:51 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154676 Somehow this brings to mind Mark Twain's quote about reports of his death being greatly exaggerated. I think that with the adds date still a week away and little advertising for LO to date, it would be hard to imagine it NOT dropping quite a bit. The initial purchases of the really committed fans are done, and virtually no one else even knows it is out there. I expect it to drop further but then begin to rise as more stations add it after the add date. I know my local station doesn't even have it in their possession, but they plan to play it as soon as they do. When the video comes out, that should spark a pretty good jump as well. It is simply too early to dismiss it, though I'm sure that will happen in some quarters. RCA is simply pursuing a different strategy, emphasizing the CD over singles, among other things. Somehow this brings to mind Mark Twain’s quote about reports of his death being greatly exaggerated. I think that with the adds date still a week away and little advertising for LO to date, it would be hard to imagine it NOT dropping quite a bit. The initial purchases of the really committed fans are done, and virtually no one else even knows it is out there. I expect it to drop further but then begin to rise as more stations add it after the add date. I know my local station doesn’t even have it in their possession, but they plan to play it as soon as they do. When the video comes out, that should spark a pretty good jump as well. It is simply too early to dismiss it, though I’m sure that will happen in some quarters. RCA is simply pursuing a different strategy, emphasizing the CD over singles, among other things.

]]> By: frogcooke http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154674 frogcooke Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:07:05 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154674 Noctem, yeah Crush dropped some after the big first week, it went to the low teens and hung around there and around 20 for about 85% of the time. the lowest it hit was about 24 and that was only for a few hours. Mostly at a time when there were songs flip flopping like crazy back and forth and other songs moving up. lol That was just before it went back up to 11 around the video leak time. So yeah a LO drop on itunes is to be expected. LO will go back up hopefully with some more play on the radio and once the vid is out :) Noctem, yeah Crush dropped some after the big first week, it went to the low teens and hung around there and around 20 for about 85% of the time. the lowest it hit was about 24 and that was only for a few hours. Mostly at a time when there were songs flip flopping like crazy back and forth and other songs moving up. lol That was just before it went back up to 11 around the video leak time.

So yeah a LO drop on itunes is to be expected. LO will go back up hopefully with some more play on the radio and once the vid is out :)

]]> By: Layla http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154673 Layla Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:04:32 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154673 <blockquote>I hate to constantly bring this back to Crush, but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the only frame of reference for LO that we have so far. If Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not mistaken, Crush dropped as low as the 30s during the interim period between its release and its impact date. So, I think LOà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s trajectory is following the same path.</blockquote> Exactly...ITA

I hate to constantly bring this back to Crush, but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the only frame of reference for LO that we have so far. If Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not mistaken, Crush dropped as low as the 30s during the interim period between its release and its impact date. So, I think LOà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s trajectory is following the same path.

Exactly…ITA

]]> By: cruzceleste http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154667 cruzceleste Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:51:49 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154667 ^^Yes, not sure butCrush went really down... so I don ´t think you should worry... RCA has a plan for sure... ^^Yes, not sure butCrush went really down… so I don ´t think you should worry… RCA has a plan for sure…

]]> By: noctem seizure http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154662 noctem seizure Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:26:21 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154662 <blockquote>lo is actually #19 nowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦</blockquote> I hate to constantly bring this back to Crush, but it's the only frame of reference for LO that we have so far. If I'm not mistaken, Crush dropped as low as the 30s during the interim period between its release and its impact date. So, I think LO's trajectory is following the same path.

lo is actually #19 nowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

I hate to constantly bring this back to Crush, but it’s the only frame of reference for LO that we have so far. If I’m not mistaken, Crush dropped as low as the 30s during the interim period between its release and its impact date. So, I think LO’s trajectory is following the same path.

]]> By: cheese http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154661 cheese Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:11:49 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154661 <blockquote>With the front page ad now gone and radio ignoring it, I guess that is to be expected, though. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a shame; a few months ago, there were such high hopes for him but it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t look so good right now. </blockquote> I expected the song to drop pretty fast once it was off the front page - how else are people going to know about it? If RCA were really concerned, I'm sure they would have set up radio promo/interviews for DC to do this week. I can't remember a previous winner who had the leadoff single on their album do as well as "Light On" did in sales the first week out. Cancel the album! Radio is being slow to let go of TOML, but if they embraced that song, then they will certainly play LO. It's getting a good reaction from the stations that are playing it. David is not quite Britney or Christina. Top 40 radio is not going to spin his song 24 times a day right out of the gate.

With the front page ad now gone and radio ignoring it, I guess that is to be expected, though. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a shame; a few months ago, there were such high hopes for him but it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t look so good right now.

I expected the song to drop pretty fast once it was off the front page – how else are people going to know about it? If RCA were really concerned, I’m sure they would have set up radio promo/interviews for DC to do this week. I can’t remember a previous winner who had the leadoff single on their album do as well as “Light On” did in sales the first week out. Cancel the album!

Radio is being slow to let go of TOML, but if they embraced that song, then they will certainly play LO. It’s getting a good reaction from the stations that are playing it. David is not quite Britney or Christina. Top 40 radio is not going to spin his song 24 times a day right out of the gate.

]]> By: IGetCranked http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154660 IGetCranked Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:51:16 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154660 <blockquote>I hope the next single and most of the record is better :(</blockquote> He's doing fine! His radio play hasn't even hit yet!

I hope the next single and most of the record is better :(

He’s doing fine! His radio play hasn’t even hit yet!

]]> By: Layla http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154655 Layla Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:53:33 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154655 RCA knows what they are doing. The hardcore fans have done their job admirably. Now it is time to open up to the world beyond AI bubble naysayers....thank God. The negativiy really is funny after just a week. The <strong>tiny</strong> world of internet AI loves them some fan compettion and to knock other idols...part of the beast I suppose. LO has done exactly what I thought it would do...a burst of buying from DC fans, a drop, and then radio impact...and the coming of the album. The hardcore competition DC faced..TI, the peroxide blondes...well DC certainly held his own with the big guns for a week. DC will do just great. I do wish he was beyond the whole shitty AI competition thing, though. It's so uh juvenile? for lack of a better word. Rock song singles are not like pop flash-in-the-pan singles...rock is about the album (or record as DC lovingly calls it). It's all about longevity and building a base. Like Rollingstone said: Red Bull and throaty passion. Hell fucking yeah! Looking forward to the start: GMA's concert series.... along with the build up of radio play. Oh yeah...DC will do his thing ... RCA knows what they are doing. Cavallo knows what he is doing. DC knows what he is doing. RCA knows what they are doing.

The hardcore fans have done their job admirably. Now it is time to open up to the world beyond AI bubble naysayers….thank God. The negativiy really is funny after just a week.

The tiny world of internet AI loves them some fan compettion and to knock other idols…part of the beast I suppose.

LO has done exactly what I thought it would do…a burst of buying from DC fans, a drop, and then radio impact…and the coming of the album. The hardcore competition DC faced..TI, the peroxide blondes…well DC certainly held his own with the big guns for a week. DC will do just great. I do wish he was beyond the whole shitty AI competition thing, though. It’s so uh juvenile? for lack of a better word.

Rock song singles are not like pop flash-in-the-pan singles…rock is about the album (or record as DC lovingly calls it). It’s all about longevity and building a base.

Like Rollingstone said: Red Bull and throaty passion. Hell fucking yeah!

Looking forward to the start: GMA’s concert series…. along with the build up of radio play. Oh yeah…DC will do his thing …

RCA knows what they are doing. Cavallo knows what he is doing. DC knows what he is doing.

]]> By: sherryw http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154654 sherryw Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:47:09 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154654 Damn, LO is dropping fast on itunes. With the front page ad now gone and radio ignoring it, I guess that is to be expected, though. It's a shame; a few months ago, there were such high hopes for him but it doesn't look so good right now. That Details blurb - that's just a whole lotta hate there, isn't it? Where has all of this Cook hate come from? It kinda came out of nowhere. I have no doubt the media will have a blast raking him over the coals. They always love it when Idol winners fall on their a$$. Damn, LO is dropping fast on itunes. With the front page ad now gone and radio ignoring it, I guess that is to be expected, though. It’s a shame; a few months ago, there were such high hopes for him but it doesn’t look so good right now.

That Details blurb – that’s just a whole lotta hate there, isn’t it? Where has all of this Cook hate come from? It kinda came out of nowhere.

I have no doubt the media will have a blast raking him over the coals. They always love it when Idol winners fall on their a$$.

]]> By: Layla http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154652 Layla Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:30:26 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154652 I <blockquote> just noticedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦my google ads are turning up ads for DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s albums. Looks like the promotion is beginning. Havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seen one for Archie yet. I can see it right now in the right-hand sidebar. Everyone will see it at different times, because thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how google worksà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ But if you see one, click on it and check it out. ha ha. :).</blockquote> Goody Goody! And will do MJ! I

just noticedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦my google ads are turning up ads for DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s albums. Looks like the promotion is beginning. Havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seen one for Archie yet.

I can see it right now in the right-hand sidebar. Everyone will see it at different times, because thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how google worksà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

But if you see one, click on it and check it out. ha ha. :) .

Goody Goody! And will do MJ!

]]> By: ggdoorsfan http://www.mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm/comment-page-4/#comment-154649 ggdoorsfan Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:49:31 +0000 http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-for-issue-100708.htm#comment-154649 <blockquote>I think youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve all pinpointed what is so unique about Archie with this discussion. I feel like we should all get it by now - <strong>David crosses all demographics and defies categorization.</strong> He hangs out with the teen celebs because he IS one. He has a mature voice and can sing mature songs beautifully so he appeals to more mature fans. You wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see him guesting on à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Desperate Housewivesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  even though his song may be featured on a promo for it. How cool is that? He can sing pop. He can sing R&B. He can channel Josh Grobin. He has yet to define what his signature style will be and I daresay it will change as he changes. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see the argument over credibility in appearing at Disneyland leading to defining who will or will not like him - ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all publicity for him. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s after right now and thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s most likely why he even went to the party - besides that he probably thought it would be cool for his little sis to be there with him.</blockquote> Elle - <strong>THANK YOU :smile1_ee:</strong>for getting to the crux of David's appeal - his universality, his emotional connection through that <em><strong>remarkable</strong></em> instrument of a voice is the tie that binds many seemingly disparate groups of fans to him so fervently... that vocal versatility is the golden ticket that gives him an edge, the means to expand and mature in the years to come as a full fledged <em>artist... </em>

I think youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve all pinpointed what is so unique about Archie with this discussion. I feel like we should all get it by now – David crosses all demographics and defies categorization. He hangs out with the teen celebs because he IS one. He has a mature voice and can sing mature songs beautifully so he appeals to more mature fans. You wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see him guesting on à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Desperate Housewivesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  even though his song may be featured on a promo for it. How cool is that? He can sing pop. He can sing R&B. He can channel Josh Grobin. He has yet to define what his signature style will be and I daresay it will change as he changes.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see the argument over credibility in appearing at Disneyland leading to defining who will or will not like him – ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all publicity for him. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s after right now and thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s most likely why he even went to the party – besides that he probably thought it would be cool for his little sis to be there with him.

Elle – THANK YOU :smile1_ee:for getting to the crux of David’s appeal – his universality, his emotional connection through that remarkable instrument of a voice is the tie that binds many seemingly disparate groups of fans to him so fervently… that vocal versatility is the golden ticket that gives him an edge, the means to expand and mature in the years to come as a full fledged artist…

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