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		<title>By: lavender1960</title>
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		<dc:creator>lavender1960</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprised that the Twilight Soundtrack only moved 107,000 copies - was that $140 million in box office all people going to see the movie 10 times?  Bwah.

I&#039;ve not been keeping any eye on the charts lately, I see by the top 10 figures sales are still sluggish overall in musicland, though they have been more sluggish over the past year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprised that the Twilight Soundtrack only moved 107,000 copies &#8211; was that $140 million in box office all people going to see the movie 10 times?  Bwah.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not been keeping any eye on the charts lately, I see by the top 10 figures sales are still sluggish overall in musicland, though they have been more sluggish over the past year.</p>
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		<title>By: Keel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tiger92, according the document you linked, the 50% rule only applies to brick and mortar sales.  The same rule for not counting units sold below 50% was not mentioned in the digital downloads section of the document.  Therefore, it seems that the $3.99 Amazon sales do count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tiger92, according the document you linked, the 50% rule only applies to brick and mortar sales.  The same rule for not counting units sold below 50% was not mentioned in the digital downloads section of the document.  Therefore, it seems that the $3.99 Amazon sales do count.</p>
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		<title>By: Seeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pro &#039;Let it Rain&#039; as AI Boot Song!

85K.. not bad!!!! (considering everything all u KA regs brought up)
I really could care less about these numbers. Because of the kind of artist (&amp; person) Kris is, I knew his sales were not gonna make a big bang in the market. But I think they&#039;ll grow slowly but steadily.
LLWD still has life in it. Plus, second single will bump up sales.

All I want from Kris is that he continues to make music he truely believes in. You&#039;re guaranteed songs that are soul stirring but also have a dash of cheek. 

And all I want for Kris is longevity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pro &#8216;Let it Rain&#8217; as AI Boot Song!</p>
<p>85K.. not bad!!!! (considering everything all u KA regs brought up)<br />
I really could care less about these numbers. Because of the kind of artist (&amp; person) Kris is, I knew his sales were not gonna make a big bang in the market. But I think they&#8217;ll grow slowly but steadily.<br />
LLWD still has life in it. Plus, second single will bump up sales.</p>
<p>All I want from Kris is that he continues to make music he truely believes in. You&#8217;re guaranteed songs that are soul stirring but also have a dash of cheek. </p>
<p>And all I want for Kris is longevity.</p>
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		<title>By: savgal</title>
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		<dc:creator>savgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: LIR for boot song, I actually emailed the show suggesting it, including the lyrics in my email, and reminded AI how it benefits the company to use &quot;home-grown&quot; talent such as Daughtry, Carrie, Ruben, etc. for the song.  Hope TPTB really consider this.  They tend to have the winner back the following year anyway, and Kris could do the song then, too.  Although I am a massive Kris fan, I would not have suggested the song unless it was truly a good candidate for backing the goodbye montage, and LIR&#039;s lyrics are fantastic for this purpose.  It can&#039;t hurt for Kris fans to contact AI or 19 Entertainment to show support for this idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: LIR for boot song, I actually emailed the show suggesting it, including the lyrics in my email, and reminded AI how it benefits the company to use &#8220;home-grown&#8221; talent such as Daughtry, Carrie, Ruben, etc. for the song.  Hope TPTB really consider this.  They tend to have the winner back the following year anyway, and Kris could do the song then, too.  Although I am a massive Kris fan, I would not have suggested the song unless it was truly a good candidate for backing the goodbye montage, and LIR&#8217;s lyrics are fantastic for this purpose.  It can&#8217;t hurt for Kris fans to contact AI or 19 Entertainment to show support for this idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Mila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think tiger summarized nicely, those things are very confusing.
I read the thread at once this morning and it looks like a crazy conversation, going back and forth on the amazon 3.99 downloads not counting for total sales purposes.

All numbers are screwed this year, Kris&#039; number are low but I dont think he would have sold less than Jordin in a regular year. My perception, no data to base it despite my personal experience with idol. He is having great promo and maybe can keep selling reasonably.

Adam is not following many normal idol patterns, so I think its really hard to compare at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think tiger summarized nicely, those things are very confusing.<br />
I read the thread at once this morning and it looks like a crazy conversation, going back and forth on the amazon 3.99 downloads not counting for total sales purposes.</p>
<p>All numbers are screwed this year, Kris&#8217; number are low but I dont think he would have sold less than Jordin in a regular year. My perception, no data to base it despite my personal experience with idol. He is having great promo and maybe can keep selling reasonably.</p>
<p>Adam is not following many normal idol patterns, so I think its really hard to compare at all.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;..and AWM for summer song, please? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

i think thats a great idea!!! 

p.s i&#039;m still familiarising myself with the acronyms of kris&#039;s songs....LIR, LLWD, BWCU, INK etc etc so at first i didnt know what AWM was. does that make me a bad kris fan? plus the fact that i dont care how many copies he sold?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>..and AWM for summer song, please? </p></blockquote>
<p>i think thats a great idea!!! </p>
<p>p.s i&#8217;m still familiarising myself with the acronyms of kris&#8217;s songs&#8230;.LIR, LLWD, BWCU, INK etc etc so at first i didnt know what AWM was. does that make me a bad kris fan? plus the fact that i dont care how many copies he sold?</p>
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		<title>By: SarahP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Kris claims he isn&#039;t worried about this stuff&#039; ¦&lt;/blockquote&gt;

then i guess we shouldn&#039;t either....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Kris claims he isn&#8217;t worried about this stuff&#8217; ¦</p></blockquote>
<p>then i guess we shouldn&#8217;t either&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: paradox19</title>
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		<dc:creator>paradox19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think I have to correct myself here. I forgot that Carnival Ride and Some Hearts are still selling well, perhaps 4-5K each a week, so there is a possibility that Carrie Underwood can overtake Kelly Clarkson this week in US sales, although it is going to be close.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

yup. it&#039;s pretty close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think I have to correct myself here. I forgot that Carnival Ride and Some Hearts are still selling well, perhaps 4-5K each a week, so there is a possibility that Carrie Underwood can overtake Kelly Clarkson this week in US sales, although it is going to be close.</p></blockquote>
<p>yup. it&#8217;s pretty close.</p>
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		<title>By: aeyelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>aeyelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tiger92: Learned something new today :P Thanks for the info, bb ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tiger92: Learned something new today <img src='http://3888.voxcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for the info, bb <img src='http://3888.voxcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tiger92</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiger92</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Everything I could find about Amazon and sales #s from the other thread:&lt;/strong&gt; 


The Amazon super discounts for this week were offered long before Adam.

 ·Amazon does this ALL THE TIME, and this year, it&#039;s mega daily deals have included brand new releases during release week. Bon Jovi last week, Rihanna and Adam this week, heck, even the BEP&#039;s new album had that same $3.99 price tag at release and folks were dying to hear what they put together upon reunion. (That doesn&#039;t even scratch the surface, it&#039;s just what I recall. And, more times than not, the price is 1.99 or 2.99.) 

 ·Now, Amazon has all it&#039;s Black Friday sales, which include 500 albums all priced at $5. ALL the big selling recent releases seem to be over there on sale. Just look at the 10 bestsellers, which now include Kelly Clarkson, Weezer, Regina Spektor, the BEPs (again), Jay-Z, Dashboard Confessional, etc, and of course, Adam.
Also, the Amazon $3.99 MP3 do not count as Billboard sales &#039;â€ mus be at least 50% of MSRP to count. They are doing that to promo Amazon MP3 [3% of total music sales and about 1% of album sales}.
The only thing the Amazon $3.99 offer does is reduce Adam&#039;s first week sales.

Amazon is #2 in the US digital music business but has &lt;strong&gt;only 9% share of the digital music business &lt;/strong&gt;&#039;â€ iTunes has 69% &#039;â€ it is in Amazon&#039;s, the artists&#039; and the labels&#039; interest to increase Amazon&#039;s share. ANd oddly &#039;â€ it is in iTunes best interest &#039;â€ because if their share stays at 69%, they will eventually face FTC scrutiny for non-competitive practices.
The Amazon super discounts for this week were offered long before Adam.

 ·The discounted sales do not count on the Billboard album chart ranking.Digital or not. Product that is sold at 50% below manufacturer&#039;s list price at a venue will not be processed.
But it doesn&#039;t matter &#039;â€ the label care about revenue and profits NOT units. You cannot put units in the bank. ANd Adam is apparently selling a lot of $17 deluxe album.
Link to SoundScan procedures: http://ca.nielsen.com/etc/content/nielsen_dotcom/en_ca/home/industries/entertainment_practice.mbt.77438.RelatedLinks.0542.MediaPath.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Everything I could find about Amazon and sales #s from the other thread:</strong> </p>
<p>The Amazon super discounts for this week were offered long before Adam.</p>
<p> ·Amazon does this ALL THE TIME, and this year, it&#8217;s mega daily deals have included brand new releases during release week. Bon Jovi last week, Rihanna and Adam this week, heck, even the BEP&#8217;s new album had that same $3.99 price tag at release and folks were dying to hear what they put together upon reunion. (That doesn&#8217;t even scratch the surface, it&#8217;s just what I recall. And, more times than not, the price is 1.99 or 2.99.) </p>
<p> ·Now, Amazon has all it&#8217;s Black Friday sales, which include 500 albums all priced at $5. ALL the big selling recent releases seem to be over there on sale. Just look at the 10 bestsellers, which now include Kelly Clarkson, Weezer, Regina Spektor, the BEPs (again), Jay-Z, Dashboard Confessional, etc, and of course, Adam.<br />
Also, the Amazon $3.99 MP3 do not count as Billboard sales &#8216;â€ mus be at least 50% of MSRP to count. They are doing that to promo Amazon MP3 [3% of total music sales and about 1% of album sales}.<br />
The only thing the Amazon $3.99 offer does is reduce Adam&#8217;s first week sales.</p>
<p>Amazon is #2 in the US digital music business but has <strong>only 9% share of the digital music business </strong>&#8216;â€ iTunes has 69% &#8216;â€ it is in Amazon&#8217;s, the artists&#8217; and the labels&#8217; interest to increase Amazon&#8217;s share. ANd oddly &#8216;â€ it is in iTunes best interest &#8216;â€ because if their share stays at 69%, they will eventually face FTC scrutiny for non-competitive practices.<br />
The Amazon super discounts for this week were offered long before Adam.</p>
<p> ·The discounted sales do not count on the Billboard album chart ranking.Digital or not. Product that is sold at 50% below manufacturer&#8217;s list price at a venue will not be processed.<br />
But it doesn&#8217;t matter &#8216;â€ the label care about revenue and profits NOT units. You cannot put units in the bank. ANd Adam is apparently selling a lot of $17 deluxe album.<br />
Link to SoundScan procedures: <a href="http://ca.nielsen.com/etc/content/nielsen_dotcom/en_ca/home/industries/entertainment_practice.mbt.77438.RelatedLinks.0542.MediaPath.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://ca.nielsen.com/etc/content/nielsen_dotcom/en_ca/home/industries/entertainment_practice.mbt.77438.RelatedLinks.0542.MediaPath.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: aeyelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>aeyelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It doesn&#039;t count. It is in mp3 form and there are dozens of top 100 mp3s at Amazon for $5.(you can use the $3 coupon on those also) Rihanna&#039;s cd is also $3.99. Last week, the $3.99 specials were Weezer and Bon Jovi. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

How does this differ from iTunes, wherein you don&#039;t get the physical copy, but just the MP3 of the album? Does iTunes sales count?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Last week FYE wasn&#039;t even out! So people didn&#039;t choose to buy FYE over KA. They just didn&#039;t buy KA. You can&#039;t blame Kris&#039; poor #s on Adam. KA had a whole week to itself-and the album did poorly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Kindly refer to my comment after that where I corrected myself for the wrong phrasing of ideas (dang, can&#039;t edit comments XD). 

Bottomline is, weekly- perfomance-wise, we&#039;re talking about NUMBER of units sold, not VALUE of units sold. Taking this into consideration, temporarily dropping the price can boost the number of copies sold; therefore, artificially boosting the number of units sold.

I posted my comment with a disclaimer about not being too familiar with the backend process on counting the number of units, so hopefully, you take that comment about the album price drop with a grain of salt.

As for performing &quot;poorly,&quot; I beg to disagree. Comparing it with his other competitors, I think he did just fine. Not good, but not bad either. YMMV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It doesn&#8217;t count. It is in mp3 form and there are dozens of top 100 mp3s at Amazon for $5.(you can use the $3 coupon on those also) Rihanna&#8217;s cd is also $3.99. Last week, the $3.99 specials were Weezer and Bon Jovi. </p></blockquote>
<p>How does this differ from iTunes, wherein you don&#8217;t get the physical copy, but just the MP3 of the album? Does iTunes sales count?</p>
<blockquote><p>Last week FYE wasn&#8217;t even out! So people didn&#8217;t choose to buy FYE over KA. They just didn&#8217;t buy KA. You can&#8217;t blame Kris&#8217; poor #s on Adam. KA had a whole week to itself-and the album did poorly.</p></blockquote>
<p>Kindly refer to my comment after that where I corrected myself for the wrong phrasing of ideas (dang, can&#8217;t edit comments XD). </p>
<p>Bottomline is, weekly- perfomance-wise, we&#8217;re talking about NUMBER of units sold, not VALUE of units sold. Taking this into consideration, temporarily dropping the price can boost the number of copies sold; therefore, artificially boosting the number of units sold.</p>
<p>I posted my comment with a disclaimer about not being too familiar with the backend process on counting the number of units, so hopefully, you take that comment about the album price drop with a grain of salt.</p>
<p>As for performing &#8220;poorly,&#8221; I beg to disagree. Comparing it with his other competitors, I think he did just fine. Not good, but not bad either. YMMV</p>
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		<title>By: tiger92</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiger92</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;1. Adam&#039;s album being sold in Amazon at a $3.99 price tag (0.99 cents if you get the $3 off discount coupon) for his first week of sales can entice more people to purchase a copy. Between Adam&#039;s $3.99 tag and Kris&#039;s $10+ price tag, those on a tight budget would probably buy the former. Plus, it seems like a better deal: Get 3 copies of Adam&#039;s album for the price of one of Kris&#039;s.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It doesn&#039;t count. It is in mp3 form and there are dozens of top 100 mp3s at Amazon for $5.(you can use the $3 coupon on those also) Rihanna&#039;s cd is also $3.99. Last week, the $3.99 specials were Weezer and Bon Jovi. 

Last week FYE &lt;strong&gt;wasn&#039;t even out&lt;/strong&gt;! So people didn&#039;t choose to buy FYE over KA. They just didn&#039;t buy KA. You can&#039;t blame Kris&#039; poor #s on Adam. KA had a whole week to itself-and the album did poorly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>1. Adam&#8217;s album being sold in Amazon at a $3.99 price tag (0.99 cents if you get the $3 off discount coupon) for his first week of sales can entice more people to purchase a copy. Between Adam&#8217;s $3.99 tag and Kris&#8217;s $10+ price tag, those on a tight budget would probably buy the former. Plus, it seems like a better deal: Get 3 copies of Adam&#8217;s album for the price of one of Kris&#8217;s.</p>
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<p>It doesn&#8217;t count. It is in mp3 form and there are dozens of top 100 mp3s at Amazon for $5.(you can use the $3 coupon on those also) Rihanna&#8217;s cd is also $3.99. Last week, the $3.99 specials were Weezer and Bon Jovi. </p>
<p>Last week FYE <strong>wasn&#8217;t even out</strong>! So people didn&#8217;t choose to buy FYE over KA. They just didn&#8217;t buy KA. You can&#8217;t blame Kris&#8217; poor #s on Adam. KA had a whole week to itself-and the album did poorly.</p>
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		<title>By: girlygirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>girlygirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris claims he isn&#039;t worried about this stuff...

http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/459269/does-kris-allen-feel-any-album-sales-pressure.jhtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris claims he isn&#8217;t worried about this stuff&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/459269/does-kris-allen-feel-any-album-sales-pressure.jhtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/459269/does-kris-allen-feel-any-album-sales-pressure.jhtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: carolinacharms</title>
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		<dc:creator>carolinacharms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter how you slice it, it&#039;s not great. And should Adam double him or worse, well...that looks really bad.  2008&#039;s winner and runner-up sold a combined 463K first week out. Looks like Kradam are heading for something like 285K-310K ish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how you slice it, it&#8217;s not great. And should Adam double him or worse, well&#8230;that looks really bad.  2008&#8242;s winner and runner-up sold a combined 463K first week out. Looks like Kradam are heading for something like 285K-310K ish.</p>
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		<title>By: alxsavage</title>
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		<dc:creator>alxsavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If Kris can get the &#039;boot&#039;  song for Idol next season with &#039;Let it Rain&#039;  (which I still think would be an excellent choice), that would be huge promotion for him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m loving this idea. I adore that song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If Kris can get the &#8216;boot&#8217;  song for Idol next season with &#8216;Let it Rain&#8217;  (which I still think would be an excellent choice), that would be huge promotion for him.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m loving this idea. I adore that song.</p>
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