Ah, these are the kind of numbers we usually expect in January. Crappy. Actually, the top album of the week, a debut from Christian Contemporary artist Chris Tomlin is predicted to sell around 70-75K which isn’t as bad as it can get in January. And the albums inside the top 10 might sell as much as 30K. Woo?

With 69.42% of reports in, Chris Tomlin’s “Burning Lights” is out to a commanding lead with a total more than twice Taylor Swift’s “RED”. Hollywood Undead are third, followed by the “Les Miz” soundtrack (last week’s number one). P!NK is telling us the truth about love at 5th, the Lumineers are 6th with their self-titld album, unorthodox Bruno Mars is 7th and wretched & divine Black Veil Brides are 8th.

Kelly Clarkson currently leads up the reality show contestants with her Greatest Hits album at 9th while One Direction is at 10th with “Take Me Home”. Their first album, “Up All Night” also continues in the top 50 at 38. Our latest American Idol, Phil Phillips slides out of the top 10 with his “World from the Other Side of the Moon” at 14th (time for a second single?). Finally, Carrie Underwood’s “Blown Away” is at 32.

The Voice judges are represented by first season winner Adam Levine and his band Maroon 5 at 19th while Christina’s who has never one is at 44.

LW TW artist / album label power index
– 1 CHRIS TOMLIN BURNING LIGHTS 49,845
3 2 TAYLOR SWIFT RED 22,163
— 3 HOLLYWOOD UNDEAD NOTES FROM THE UNDERGROUND 18,105
1 4 LES MISERABLES SOUNDTRACK 17,614
10 5 P!NK TRUTH ABOUT LOVE 17,413
7 6 LUMINEERS LUMINEERS 15,364
6 7 BRUNO MARS UNORTHODOX JUKEBOX 14,945
– 8 BLACK VEIL BRIDES WRETCHED & DIVINE: STORY OF THE 13,850
36 9 KELLY CLARKSON GREATEST HITS – CHAPTER 1 11,962
4 10 ONE DIRECTION TAKE ME HOME 11,558

17 12 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 44 VARIOUS ARTISTS 11,070

5 14 PHILLIP PHILLIPS WORLD FROM THE SIDE OF THE MOON 10,643

14 19 MAROON 5 OVEREXPOSED 10,052

20 32 CARRIE UNDERWOOD BLOWN AWAY 6,303

23 38 ONE DIRECTION UP ALL NIGHT 4,601

– 44 CHRISTINA AGUILERA LOTUS 3,381

22 50 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS HEIST 3,169

Hits Daily Double

 
  • jpfan2

    5 14 PHILLIP PHILLIPS WORLD FROM THE SIDE OF THE MOON 10,643

    Even that partial amount is enough to put P2 over the 600K milestone. P2 isn’t the traditional Idol that engages lots of buzz and mobilizes a big Idol fanbase but he could potentially be the most successful male winner they ever had. If single #2 hits, it could happen. 

  • Tess

    and with what criteria are you basing your declaration on?

  • windmills

    Reporting in from Billboard Country Update and Country Aircheck:

    There were 2 recurrents at Billboard: Florida-Georgia Line’s Cruise and Maggie Rose’s I Ain’t Your Mama, which should be followed by 3 Billboard recurrents next week (Kip Moore and Justin Moore out of the t10, Kenny Chesney out of the t20). At Mediabase/Aircheck there were 2 recurrents this week (Justin Moore, Kip Moore) which will be followed by Kenny Chesney going recurrent at some point, probably next week. 

    Carrie’s Two Black Cadillacs had a strong week at Billboard gaining 2.369 million AIs to move up 3 spots to #13. 2BC passed Kenny Chesney’s El Cerrito Place (which has peaked) and Hunter Hayes’s Somebody’s Heartbreak (which it leads by 145k AIs). 2BC trails Little Big Town’s Tornado at #12 by 1.559 million AIs. With LBT and Dierks Bentley lined up to take the next 2 available t10 spots, I expect 2BC to move up 2 spots because of recurrents to #11. I don’t think Hunter’s song will repass, though it’s possible. I do think this will be a relatively slow week for 2BC because there’s limited space for it to grow before it makes t10 but, there’s no room in the t10 right now. The question at this point is whether 2BC will be t10 country before the video comes out. Carrie shot the video back in early November but for some reason it is taking this long to get it ready. 2BC isn’t having any trouble at radio and it’s doing fine in download sales (its position on the country sales charts is around where it is on the airplay charts), but a good video could really light a fire under 2BC’s download sales that moves it into the t10 of the genre in download sales. 

    At MB/Aircheck 2BC gained 1842 points and moved up 3 spots to #11. 2BC leads Somebody’s Heartbreak by 399 points after outgaining it by 1032 points. 2BC trails LBT’s Tornado by 829 points after outgaining it by 212 points. I don’t see 2BC moving up chart placement wise this week because there will be no MB recurrents in front of it and like I said, I think radio’s going to sustain LBT in t10 rotation. 

    On a side note Carrie’s Who Are You, an album track from Blown Away and probably the only song on the album I don’t like at all, is on Billboard’s New & Active with 214k AI from 2 stations. I don’t know why that song is getting played. It’s the song written by Mutt Lange, Shania’s ex, and it’s a big, belty midtempo that’s kind of a love song, kind of spiritual. 

    CaseyJ’s Crying On A Suitcase had a meh week at Billboard gaining 249k AI and moving up 2 spots to #16 because of a recurrent and passing a single that has already peaked. However COAS has about a 1.332 million AI lead on Chris Cagle’s Let There Be Cowgirls, a 2.492 million AI lead on Lee Brice’s I Drive Your Truck (at #21), and a 3.772 million AI lead on Blake Shelton’s Sure Be Cool If You Did (at #22) – Lee and Blake are the fastest risers behind CaseyJ. Based on last week’s gains, Chris Cagle and Lee Brice will probably not pass CaseyJ this week. Blake might pass. But, with 2 recurrents scheduled, COAS should make t15 Billboard. 

    At MB/Aircheck COAS gained 655 points and moved up to #14. COAS has more of a cushion from being passed at MB/Aircheck, which is good because there won’t be any recurrents in front of him for another 3 weeks. The biggest threat is probably Blake Shelton at #22 who trails by 3560 points but outgained COAS by 3715 points last week. I expect Blake to slow down a little this coming week but, he’ll probably pass in a couple weeks. Lee Brice is 2031 points behind and outgained CaseyJ’s song by 915 points this past week. At that pace he’s 3 weeks away from passing. Thompson Square is closing too but probably won’t be an issue for 3 or 4 weeks. 

    I think COAS may hang around a couple more weeks without peaking as the label waits to see if radio’s interested in moving it any higher. The problem is it’s facing a very strong group of songs in front of it, with a couple more strong movers from Lee Brice and Blake Shelton moving fast behind him. COAS would need for some songs in the t15 to peak really soon: Taylor’s Begin Again at #10 has been looking weak for a while now, Hunter’s song has slowed a little though I don’t see it peaking outside the t10, and I don’t know if Brad’s song (at #5) has the juice to make #1. I think COAS may hang around a little bit to see if those songs start dropping in the next few weeks but right now I don’t see the odds of it making t10 as being all that high. Especially since its download sales are barely t40 country when you take out the Taylor pop songs. 

    Kelly’s Don’t Rush lost its Billboard bullet and declined by 248k AI, dropping a spot to #36 as Miranda Lambert, The Henningsens, and Florida-Georgia Line all passed. The good news is that the 2 of the songs DR has been grouped with, Hayden Panettiere’s Telescope and Jerrod Niemann’s Only God Could Love You More also lost their bullets and comparable AIs (Hayden’s song lost 391k and Jerrod’s song lost 144k). That’s a sign that hotter new songs were affecting that part of the chart. I think it’s also why we saw Kelly doing a bunch of radio promo last week.

    It’s not exactly selling great either since it would be at around #90 on Itunes country with Taylor pop songs removed, but it’s selling around what Jana Kramer and Gloriana’s current singles which are at or around t30 in airplay are selling. The chart is about to get even more crowded with a new single from Lady A next week, and a new single from Kenny Chesney after that, not to mention rising singles from Eric Church, Kip Moore, Darius Rucker, and Jake Owen. The fact that it picked up 7 MB adds this week will help DR to withstand the crush of new songs. Three Billboard recurrents this week will help as Rascal Flatts (370k back, outgained DR by 978k last week) and Darius Rucker (959k behind, outgained DR by 1.457 million AIs last week) are both threats to pass. That being said, this morning’s MB update has DR outgaining both those songs. I expect DR will move back up to #34 Billboard.

    At MB/Aircheck gained 266 points and dropped 2 spots to #35. Miranda Lambert has passed since last Sunday but Kelly repassed Rascal Flatts, which was 73 points ahead as of last Sunday. I think RF will likely repass by the end of the week but if they do that will be offset by Kenny Chesney (probably) going recurrent. Jerrod Niemann was only 128 points ahead as of last Sunday (he outgained Kelly by 33 points). The closest passing threat from behind is probably Florida-Georgia Line which was 573 points behind as of last Sunday and outgained Kelly by 365 points. They seem to have picked up some steam this week so they could very well pass. Darius Rucker and Eric Church will probably become threats to pass in a couple weeks. DR should end the week at #35 or #36 Mediabase. I still think the number of adds, the ad support, and Kelly’s promo point to this song growing more and making t30, it just needs some room. 

    Idol-related ads: There’s an Aircheck ad for Kelly’s Don’t Rush touting the fact that it was among the t10 most added at MB again, and the fact that DR is on 96 stations (that’s a combined number from MB and Billboard). 

    Recommended reading: Country Aircheck is doing a series where it has talked to people in Music Row about trends at country radio. Last week Aircheck spoke to music publishers. An interesting quote:

    “It’s a singles-driven market now and we are 
    dependent on having hits. For example, if you’ve got a co-written album cut on a new act that debuts selling 250k units, we’re looking at making around $12,000 that we split. You’re almost forced to become an artist-development company and publishing company at the same time, because the closer you can get to the hits, the better off you are.”
    Those economics roll down hill, too. “It’s different in terms of what you can pay a writer who doesn’t have hits,” adds Vaughn. “Without them, it’s very hard to sustain a successful songwriting career.” Conversely, hits pay big. According to Kennard, “A good No. 1 song [will] generate $1.2 million. And that includes everybody who’s involved; the publishers, writers, and so on,” he says.

    There’s also talk about whether publishers steer their writers to certain topics because they are more radio-friendly, and what they think about how fewer and fewer people are making the programming decisions at radio. 

    This week Aircheck spoke to a few songwriters, including Lee Thomas Miller, Rivers Rutherford (who cowrote Carrie’s “We’re Young & Beautiful), and Tim Nichols (who cowrote Scotty’s Out Of Summertime). Some interesting quotes:

    “So when I write, I tend to gravitate to what I think will work at radio, and it’s a pretty tight target these days. [In the past], playlists were longer and, since there were more songs on the radio and more artists making records, there were more opportunities to make money. Now I feel like I’m writing for five or 10 artists, maybe.”

    “For a while we got real lyric-intensive – ‘Live Like You Were Dying,’ ‘Jesus Take The Wheel,’ and ‘When I Get Where I’m Going,’” Rutherford says. “Right now it seems like it’s real groove-oriented where the lyric isn’t as important as the image and mood and just feeling good. It’s not that I don’t like what I’m hearing, but we’ve definitely inundated ourselves with tailgates, tan-lines and ‘I’m countrier than you are.’”

    In other trends, there’s certainly an awareness of just how male-heavy Country radio is. “If you think about it, there are Carrie, Taylor and Miranda, for the most part,” Nichols says. “I’ve had a fair amount of success writing for female artists and it was almost more fun to write for them because it seemed like they could say more. Labels will tell you that it’s hard to get females played, but we need more representation for the girls.

    I thought this was a great quote that shows how the target demo for country radio has evolved.

    Beyond male or female, Rutherford has seen the general themes of the format shift, partly through the eyes of his invisible buddy Rodney. “My friend George Teren and I had character that we wrote from just to make sure we were on the same page,” he explains. “We wrote a bio for him and everything. Right now it seems like Rodney is a 22-year-old frat boy from Americas, GA, who wants to talk about bonfires, tailgates and tan-lines. Ten years ago, Rodney was a man and tired of pretending like he wasn’t. Twenty years ago, he was probably 35-40, had been married a little while, was probably getting a little tired of his marriage, and liked to stop at the bar for a couple of beers two or three times a week.”

    The way the writers are putting it, it’s Luke Bryan’s country, we just live in it.

  • curly_yenta

    Unlikely to happen. Ruben Studdard currently stands as the most successful male Idol winner in album sales.  His “Soulful” album has sold 1,791,000 according to Wikipedia. That’s over 1,000,000 more Phillip needs to sell. Very difficult.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Idol_alumni_album_sales

  • girlygirltoo

    Chris Tomlin is the type of artist that Colton should probably look to in terms of seeing how well he can do with his music while remaining in the CCM genre. As far as I know, Tomlin has never had any of his music cross over to other genres, but he is a very very successful CCM artist.

  • girlygirltoo

    Scotty’s, David Cook’s and Ruben’s debut albums all sold over 1 million copies. Phillip still has a long way to go to catch any or all of them. 

    Singles sales are a different story.

  • justmefornow

    Wow! Good for Ruben. I guess I should have watched Idol back then when it was really relevant, lol.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Sales predictions for last week from Weakend Update at HDD:

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi?20

    YOUR TOP 15: Lord have mercy! It’s looking like Christian Contemporary artist (not contemporary Christian, as previously reported) Chris Tomlin will debut at #1 on next week’s chart, as the Top 3 albums are all new releases. We’re hoping that our coverage of Chris’ chart success will help keep us from getting struck by lightning, at least for another week. Here’s how it looks headed into the weekend:
    * Chris Tomlin (sixsteps/Sparrow) 70-75k
    * Hollywood Undead (A&M/Octone) 50-55k
    * Black Veil Brides (Republic) 45-50k
    Les Misérables (Republic) 45-50k
    Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 45-50k
    Bruno Mars (Atlantic) 35-40k
    Pitch Perfect (UMe) 35-40k
    Lumineers (Dualtone) 30-35k
    * Dropkick Murphys (Dropkick Murphys) 30-35k
    P!nk (RCA) 27-30k
    One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 24-27k
    Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 24-27k
    Phillip Phillips (19/Interscope) 21-24k
    T.I. (Grand Hustle/Atlantic) 21-24k
    Imagine Dragons (Interscope) 21-24k
    Rihanna (Def Jam/IDJ) 21-24k
    Now 44 (Capitol) 21-24k

    * DebutsIn a related story, we’re pitching a script about a faith-based girl who goes to Wal-Mart to buy Chris Tomlin’s record and meets a boy who’s there for the Hollywood Undead record and, you know, sparks fly, but their families don’t understand, yada yada. (1/10p)

  • TheOther

    You also have to factored in what the Billboard Cover story said:

    http://www.billboard.com/features/phillip-phillips-the-billboard-cover-story-1008074152.story#

    If one were to recalculate that based on album sales being two-thirds of what they were in 2002, the year “Idol” debuted, Phillips’ start more closely resembles that of Carrie Underwood than Taylor Hicks.

  • curly_yenta

    But that’s not how the world turns. We don’t factor in anything but the bottom line.  The numbers are the numbers as they stand for the “record books” and for historical comparison. Otherwise we’d be recalculating every number, song and album out there based on when it was released.

    Ruben Studdard IS the highest selling Idol winner on the books for album sales according to Soundscan and Billboard and whatever else you want to look up.

    Fans of other artists can make themselves feel better by justifying record sales aren’t what they used to be, but in reality, it makes no difference to referenced sales numbers.

  • Kirsten

    If one were to recalculate that based on album sales being two-thirds what they were in 2002, the year “Idol” debuted, Phillips’ start more closely resembles that of Carrie Underwood than Taylor Hicks

    That is a total math fail. Billboard should be embarrassed to have printed that even a puff piece like that.

    A No Idol released an album in 2002
    B By the time Taylor Hicks released in 2006, album sales were already eroding so why no recalculating of his numbers? BTW Taylor sold 500K in his first two weeks.
    C Carrie sold over 6M of her debut album released in 2005. That means Phil has to sell 2 million albums to reach her level of success without giving her the benefit of recalculation

    And I notice few ever suggest we recalculate single sales. Single sales have increased exponentially since 2002. When Taylor won, you only needed 200K to be certified platinum and it was only about that time that people started selling more than 100K in a week. Daniel Powter’s Bad Day was the first to hit 2M in sales in 2006 – a milestone that most hits easily fly by today. In 2002, selling a few thousand singles would be considered massive. So, if we just take the 200K platinum milestone that was in place when Carrie released “Before He Cheats” and compare it to today’s 1M, that means she really sold 15M copies.

    See how you can warp the recalculate?

    And BB knows that one of the greatest declines in album sales is in the catalogue market as people replaced tape and vinyl with CDs. So the 2/3 is even more bogus.

  • TheOther

    No one is taking that away from Ruben but I doubt Interscope cares how much Ruben Studdard sold. That was almost 10 years ago. He was in a completely different genre. Phillip’s sales numbers speaks for itself.

  • Trina

    Fans of other artists can make themselves feel better by justifying record sales aren’t what they used to be, but in reality, it makes no difference to referenced sales numbers.

    Who’s doing that? An excerpt from a Billboard magazine article was posted. Whether you feel that should be taken seriously or not, it was the magazine trying to explain the difference in numbers. Anyway despite being the highest selling male winner Ruben was never taken as seriously as he should have or given enough respect, not so much because of album sales being different than but because Clay outsold him and became generally more popular. 

    I dont thing Phillip will become the overall most popular winner because there are so many factors, but when all is said and done hes most likely going to end up very soon with THE biggest selling single from any American Idol so right there thats a huge honor.

  • windmills

    Kirsten: C Carrie sold over 6M of her debut album released in 2005.

    Over 7 million ;) (Brian Mansfield says 7.288 million)

    But ITA w the point you were making about the recalculation point and how Billboard mangled it. 

  • curly_yenta

    That’s not the point. They  were wrong about the comparison of Carrie, Taylor and potential Phillip CD sales however. But you quoted that fluff piece as something based in reality, which its not. Their ‘recalculation’ statement was ridiculous.

  • rayni

    As always, I love your information and personal assessment.

    I love country, but not Luke Bryan’s :(  I’m so tired of ‘that’ sound and ‘those’ songs.  I wish Rodney would hurry up and evolve.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    If one were to recalculate that based on album sales being two-thirds what they were in 2002, the year “Idol” debuted, Phillips’ start more closely resembles that of Carrie Underwood than Taylor Hicks

    The Billboard article didn’t really make sense with that statement. Carrie opened with 315K and Taylor with 298K. Two thirds of either of those opening weeks beat P2′s opening week.

    During the Christmas season of 2005, Carrie sold 1.538 million albums. Some Hearts was the best selling album of 2006, selling over three million copies, and it went on to sell 7x platinum.

    P2 is a long way away from two thirds of Carrie’s 2005 or 2006 totals. He would have had to sell over one million by now and three million by this time next year to be close to two thirds of Carrie’s opening numbers.

  • Eileen99

    Even that partial amount is enough to put P2 over the 600K milestone. P2 isn’t the traditional Idol that engages lots of buzz and mobilizes a big Idol fanbase but he could potentially be the most successful male winner they ever had. If single #2 hits, it could happen.

    I agree, I think he’s headed in that direction. 

  • bridgette12

    It was a silly comparison, Phillip might sell a million albums, but he’s not going to come within a mile of what Carrie sold.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    And I notice few ever suggest we recalculate single sales. Single sales have increased exponentially since 2002. When Taylor won, you only needed 200K to be certified platinum and it was only about that time that people started selling more than 100K in a week. Daniel Powter’s Bad Day was the first to hit 2M in sales in 2006 – a milestone that most hits easily fly by today. In 2002, selling a few thousand singles would be considered massive. So, if we just take the 200K platinum milestone that was in place when Carrie released “Before He Cheats” and compare it to today’s 1M, that means she really sold 15M copies.

    I’ve also noticed this strange phenomenon. lol

    Everyone wants to site the decline in albums, but they don’t bring up the fact that, with every passing year, the number of songs that are hitting 3x-5x platinum have greatly increased as well. A top 10 song is likely to sell 3x platinum vs the 1 or 2x platinum that most top songs sold in years past.

    Home may “outsell” some of Kelly’s, Carrie’s and Daughtry’s biggest hits, but that doesn’t mean it was actually a bigger hit song.

    And what’s with the “male winner”. Is that just a way to avoid comparison with Kelly, Carrrie and Daughtry? PP is an Idol winner. We can compare his numbers to all the winners and all the runners up, for that matter.

  • jpfan2

    P2′s the first male Idol winner to have a smash hit single to rival and eventually outsell Kelly and Carrie. I highly doubt he’ll match Ruben’s album sales but 4 million singles sold does equate to something like 300-400K albums sold.

    The main thing is that  P2 may be accepted by radio. I said MAY because who knows how single #2 will do. If radio doesn’t play the 2nd single, he’ll be a one and done kind of winner.

  • elliegrll

    Unlikely to happen. Ruben Studdard currently stands as the most successful male Idol winner in album sales.  His “Soulful” album has sold 1,791,000 according to Wikipedia. That’s over 1.1 million more CDs Phillip needs to sell. Very difficult.

    Phillip might not touch Ruben in the albums sold category, even though selling 1.79 million albums is very doable, but he could be labeled as the most successful male from AI, if he can establish himself in his genre and build up a fanbase.  Pretty much the only male idol to do this so far is Daughtry.  

    I’d say that the jury is out on Scotty until he releases album number 2, but he does seem to be in a good, but not great, position.

  • jpfan2

    Very good article about Idol’s future:

    http://www.billboard.com/column/reality-check/will-new-american-idol-season-be-rebirth-1008090752.story#

    Basically it says Scotty and P2 have done well but the jury is still out on their careers.  

  • curly_yenta

    I’m not talking about perceived popularity of Idol fans of certain Idols, who tend to skew sales numbers to make themselves feel good – just like the Billboard article did in their fluff about ‘recalcuation’ that didn’t make any sense whatsoever.  I’m talking about the sales numbers, the facts, the numbers on record for sales.

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    Thanks for posting that article…here’s hoping that Scotty and P2 can find those keys to the future…

  • Aavari

    I think one could argue that “on the record” historical sales numbers are sometimes not as important as what writers say about them.

    I won’t comment on billboard’s shoddy calculations. But perception can be as important as reality, otherwise they wouldn’t bother to write these stories that are read by the general public. No matter what the truth is, P2 is now a successful idol in the minds of any casual reader who happened to see that article. Because Billboard threw a bunch of numbers at them and told them so.

    No casual reader is gonig to analyze the numbers to validate or disprove them, they’re just going to go “OK, whatever.” But the next time they stumble across a mention of P2 somewhere they might remember him as that really successful idol guy.

    I don’t have a horse in this race, but I’m fascinated by the power of number spin-doctoring.

  • Tess

    Don’t care about Phillip one way or another, he’s just an OK artist in my book.  But I will say that of all the idols and idol alumni he was probably given the best debut song of any of them.  And I don’t think Phillip sold the song, I truly believe the song has helped sell Phillip.

    Personally I think he is one and done, though I could be totally wrong but his next single is leagues behind Home in quality, vocality, its hook, and its ear worminess to me.  I find it interesting that I hear Home much more as an instrumental, especially when it is used for ads and movies and tv shows.  The song is great, the singer, not so much.

  • jpfan2

    “No matter what the truth is, P2 is now a successful idol in the minds of any casual reader who happened to see that article”

    The truth is that P2 will soon have the best selling singe EVER released by any American Idol. And his album is in pretty decent position to go platinum. I’m not sure how that can be spun to portray him as a failure.

  • Aavari

    I’m not spinning anything any way.  Billboard says P2 is successful, therefore he is.
    :-) It’s even better if it’s true, but most of the general public isn’t going to
    know the difference.

     

    For the record I think he’s been enourmously
    successful so far. He’s had an impact in my country, and we don’t tend to pay
    too much attention to idols not named Kelly or Carrie

  • Tess

    I don’t think people are saying Phillip is a failure, just that he isn’t leaps and bounds beyond where other Idols were at the same point in their careers.  Just like for every other idolette it is a waiting game to see how well he can take the sales he has garnered and turn those into a viable and continually productive career.  And if he keeps his sales at, say, 10 to 15 k per week on his album that is still almost a year to make platinum.  That may be a bit of an iffy proposition if single number two doesn’t hit as big as single number 1.

  • windmills

    jpfan2: Very good article about Idol’s future:http://www.billboard.com/colum

    IMO that’s a pretty sloppy Billboard article. P2 is a success because he’s had a huge hit, Cook’s relevance has waned though at least he had some hits but Kris Allen never had a hit? They correctly say Scotty’s proven his relevance but never point to the fact that it’s been through his album sales not because of any hit songs. Sloppy mess is sloppy. All they had to do was frame the argument in terms of Scotty and P2 successfully launching debut albums that are or seemed headed to platinum after a couple seasons where that didn’t happen and I don’t think I’d be shaking my head at the article. 

    And then there’s the stuff about the factors heading into the new season, a lot of  which ranges from LOLzy to perfunctory. I won’t go into that because it’s too far off topic here and I’m guessing the story will be in Evening Headlines. 

    The measure of P2′s success will ultimately be whether he can sustain market relevance in his target genre and how much he’s able to make where he lands in the Idol pantheon a footnote in his career. 

  • Anny_nanny

    Artist – Title – Release Date – Certification Date – Label – Type – Award Description – Format – Category
    PHILLIP PHILLIPS – THE WORLD FROM THE SIDE OF THE MOON – November 19, 2012 – January 09, 2013 – 19/INTERSCOPE – Standard – GOLD – ALBUM – SOLO

  • LongKissGoodnight

    -    1    CHRIS TOMLIN    69,583    4    10    ONE DIRECTION TAKE ME HOME    27,365    -60%5    13    PHILLIP PHILLIPS    22,392    -65%36    20    KELLY CLARKSON – GREATEST HITS 18,402    +13%24    27    MUSIC OF NASHVILLE    15,836    -26%23    36    ONE DIRECTION    UP ALL NIGHT    10,862    -54%20    40    CARRIE UNDERWOOD    10,238    -58%

  • cheese1

    Am I the only one who likes Gone Gone Gone more than Home?  Home sounds like it’s half-finished to me – I always thought it had too many oohs and not enough lyrics. 

    Gone Gone Gone has already shown some signs of being a “buy at first listen” type of track based on its sales with very little promotion. It only recently fell out of the Top 200 on iTunes, and I know some singles have trouble making the top 200 even when getting, say, moderate play on HAC. It will be interesting to see what kind of bump it gets after two performances tomorrow.

  • Incipit

     Sloppy mess is sloppy. All they had to do was frame the argument in terms of Scotty and P2 successfully launching debut albums that are or seemed headed to platinum after a couple seasons where that didn’t happen and I don’t think I’d be shaking my head at the article. 

    Yes, what ‘are’ they doing with that? ‘Sloppy mess is sloppy’, indeed. Call it what it is, readers who possess basic reasoning skills will already be doing so.

    IMO.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kathleen-Moore/100001271239732 Kathleen Moore

    Congrats to Chris T.

    When was the last time a Christian Contemporary artist topped the BB200 charts?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    It’s a single, not an album. He doesn’t have the biggest hit EVER. As pointed out by Kirsten, times have changed since Kelly’s, Carrie’s, Jordin’s and Daughtry’s hits. He also has a long way to go before he reaches the album numbers of many of the past Idols.

    No one is saying P2 is a failure, but he isn’t the most successful winner by a long shot. He has an album that is doing what it should be doing when looking at the majority of the Idol winners. PP has one hit single. He has a long way to go before he matches the album numbers of winners like Scotty, Cook and Jordin and a LONG, LONG way to go before he can come anywhere near the success of Carrie or Kelly. (or even Ruben, Fantasia or runners up such as Clay, Adam,Daughtry)

  • Chrissie H

    “For the record I think he’s been enourmously successful so far. He’s had an impact in my country, and we don’t tend to pay too much attention to idols not named Kelly or Carrie”

    —————–

    Not everywhere though. He is non -existant in my country, and we ususally hear a bit about all the Idol winners.  Fx Scotty. His AI S10 CD is still selling (Danish itunes- country #106 ) for the 2.nd year.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    When was the last time a Christian Contemporary artist topped the BB200 charts?

    This time will be only the fourth time ever. The most recent was in early September 2012, when Christian rapper TobyMac had the first Christian #1 on the BB 200 since LeeAnn Rimes in 1997. [source

    The Chris Tomlin and TobyMac #1s seem to be part of a small trend of seeing more CCM artists in the top 5 — there are several CCM acts that peaked at #2 or #3 in the past couple years. TobyMac’s album is unusual in not having been released during the winter doldrums — but I think the winter releases for CCM have a good fit with the cycle of the church year, as well as resulting in PR-worthy peaks that draw attention to the genre.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kathleen-Moore/100001271239732 Kathleen Moore

    Rats. I should have remembered TobyMac’s number 1.  Thanks. 

  • ptebwwong

    CHART DATE: 01/14/2013 
    LAST UPDATE: 01/15/2013 11:56:08 
    NOW IN: FINAL 

    LW TW artist / album label power index % change 
    – 1 CHRIS TOMLIN SIX STEPS 69,583 – 
    BURNING LIGHTS 
    – 2 HOLLYWOOD UNDEAD A&M/OCTONE 55,262 – 
    NOTES FROM THE UNDERGROUND 
    1 3 LES MISERABLES REPUBLIC 52,485 -52% 
    SOUNDTRACK 
    3 4 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 48,992 -41% 
    RED 
    – 5 BLACK VEIL BRIDES REPUBLIC 47,088 – 
    WRETCHED & DIVINE: STORY OF THE 
    8 6 PITCH PERFECT UME 45,998 -15% 
    SOUNDTRACK 
    6 7 BRUNO MARS ATLANTIC 41,622 -25% 
    UNORTHODOX JUKEBOX 
    – 8 DROPKICK MURPHYS DROPKICK MURPHYS 35,460 – 
    SIGNED & SEALED IN BLOOD 
    7 9 LUMINEERS DUALTONE 30,783 -44% 
    LUMINEERS 
    4 10 ONE DIRECTION SYCO/COLUMBIA 27,365 -60% 
    TAKE ME HOME 
    5 13 PHILLIP PHILLIPS 19/INTERSCOPE 22,392 -65% 
    WORLD FROM THE SIDE OF THE MOON 
    19 16 ADELE XL/COLUMBIA 21,300 -23% 
    21 
    17 17 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 44 CAPITOL 20,648 -31% 
    VARIOUS ARTISTS 
    14 19 MAROON 5 A&M/OCTONE 19,367 -45% 
    OVEREXPOSED 
    36 20 KELLY CLARKSON 19/RCA 18,402 +13% 
    GREATEST HITS – CHAPTER 1 
    24 27 MUSIC OF NASHVILLE BIG MACHINE 15,836 -26% 
    SOUNDTRACK 
    35 33 HUNTER HAYES ATLANTIC 12,703 -23% 
    HUNTER HAYES 
    11 34 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJ 12,603 -70% 
    BELIEVE  
    23 36 ONE DIRECTION SYCO/COLUMBIA 10,862 -54% 
    UP ALL NIGHT 
    20 40 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 10,238 -58% 
    BLOWN AWAY 
    45 48 KID ROCK ATLANTIC 8,370 -42% 
    REBEL SOUL 

  • Anny_nanny

    Don’t flatter Adam, Scotty sold more albums. But Scotty in the genre where he has to sell albums, and Adam in the genre of which he must sell singles (but not sells).
    I do not think that Phillip will sell more albums than Scotty – not this genre. But no one can persuade me that Ruben would have sold and the gold, if released his album in the last year. And I’m not going to compare Phillip and Adam, Scotty and Clay – I can’t compare elephants and whales, sharks and eagles – they don’t see each other even. The extrapolation does not exist which would allow them to compare.
    If Phillip decides to sing country music, and Scotty will release the R’n’b we will be able to meet and to discuss their chances.

    While I am happy that each participant of the AI got the opportunity to do what he loves. This is exactly what I like AI.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    If one were to recalculate that based on album sales being two-thirds what they were in 2002, the year “Idol” debuted, Phillips’ start more closely resembles that of Carrie Underwood than Taylor Hicks.

    May I suggest reading that quote within the context that it was written? It’s taken from the article that came out when Phil’s album held within top10 BB200 in a highly competitive environment of holiday shopping season for the 5th week. It has also mentioned that Idol machine has not seen examples of such consistency since Cook’s debut in 2008. (Though Scotty came close.) And finally it said that if Carrie’s first 5 weeks of high and consistent sales (good!) were one pole and Taylor’s album selling 2/3ds of it’s final total within first 2 weeks and taking a dive of the cliff to never recover again (not good) another, then Phil’s album were treading (key word) closer to the first one then to the latter.
    All undisputable truth.

    No one has clamed that Phillip is selling at the level of Carrie’s debut. That would be silly.

    Kris Allen and Lee DeWyze — recalling their faces may not be a task, but remembering just one of their songs?

    As much as it can upset people within the bubble, fact remain the same – LLWD came, hit and went away without building a strong connection to the singer who released it. So unfortunately yes, from the average person point of view “name Kris Allen’s hit” is as much of a head scratcher as “name hit song from  Lee DeWyze” (trick question).
    So… Correct again.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Don’t flatter Adam, Scotty sold more albums.

    Only in the US. Adam sold more albums than Scotty overall.

    Where did you get that those two were being compared anyway, because they weren’t. They both sold well over a million albums with their first albums. They both had successful first eras.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    You can pretend that Adam sold less albums than Phillip and Scotty with their first albums but the facts are they didn’t. Very happy for both phillip and Scotty but Adam is still is one of the successful Idols. None of these guys even come close to the success of the earlier Idols. One hit does not equal most successful Idol EVER.

  • heartly

    What a sad looking little January album chart. 7 debuts and 1 album with positive numbers out of 50.  :(

    Without having hard numbers to look at in front of me, I have to think some powers to be at RCA have to be a little worried that a GH package is outselling 2 of their releases in the last couple months by name female artists.  Granted Christina’s was a very uneven album with a couple really good tracks mixed with a lot of subpar material and Kesha is more of a singles seller, but still… ouch.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    I have no interest in Scotty or Phillip, but I am thrilled about Kelly’s album doing so well.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Sometimes get the impression the song is more well-known than the singer.

  • heartly

    I still think it’s a Mumford & Sons song when I hear it and it takes me a few to figure out that it’s not.  There’s no instant “oh, that’s Phillip” artist connection for me and because of that, I’m a bit leery to call him a bona fide success at the moment, but there is absolutely no denying that the song is.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    The song is very successful no doubt but Phillip the artist the brand hasn’t match the success of the song. It’s a Mumford & Sons rip off. Had the song had some originality with all it’s success it would no doubt had gotten a Grammy Nomination which is what usually happens to successful Idols.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    How about this? P2 may become the most commercially successful WGWGWH (with hair) from Idol? lol

  • bridgette12

    It’s going to take time for Phillip, as it do with a lot of artist, for his brand to grow.

  • Kirsten

    Taylor’s album selling 2/3ds of its final total within the first 2 weeks and taking a dive off a cliff never to recover

    There is no doubt that Taylor’s album had crappy legs, but in fairness, the cliff it fell off making it worse was Christmas. That caused the first two weeks to be even more front loaded, added the typical second to third week drop to the typical post-Christmas drop and created some bad buzz. He didn’t get a debut single dropped until February by which time the album was dead and Idol mocked him during the auditions didn’t help either.

    I’m not saying he would have had a hit album, I’m just saying that if we are doing recalculating, we probably need to realize that not all albums start on an equal footing (and explain why labels push for Idol winners to release by Black Friday).

    Phil is a success. Interscope is doing a fantastic job. Taylor is not a success compared to him.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I presume Phillip’s sophomore album is scheduled for Q4 of 2013?

  • blackberryharvest

    We don’t know the exact number Scotty has sold worldwide, so he could have very well outsold Adam worldwide also.

  • bridgette12

    Kind of hard to sell worldwide when people don’t know you, espcially being new in country music.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     Well when those numbers get produced by his label than we can say Scotty sold more albums overall. Still doesn’t make Scotty not successful because so far he is.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    Had the song had some originality with all it’s success it would no doubt had gotten a Grammy Nomination which is what usually happens to successful Idols.

    Except recently Grammy had drastically reduced the number of categories available. And, as a lot of industry insiders have mentioned, if that male/female, collaborations & duo/groups categories were still in place (like they were at the time you are referring to, when Idol still had some pull, and successful Idol newcomers received some Grammy nodes) ‘Home’ would be amongst front runners for the Nomination.

  • jpfan2

    “He doesn’t have the biggest hit EVER. As pointed out by Kirsten, times have changed since Kelly’s, Carrie’s, Jordin’s and Daughtry’s hits. He also has a long way to go before he reaches the album numbers of many of the past Idols.”

    I said the best selling single ever released by an American Idol. Of course single sales have exploded while album sales have declined. P2 will never  match the album numbers of Carrie or Kelly but Home will outsell Carrie and Kelly’s singles. That’s just a fact.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    5 14 PHILLIP PHILLIPS WORLD FROM THE SIDE OF THE MOON 10,643

    Even that partial amount is enough to put P2 over the 600K milestone.
    P2 isn’t the traditional Idol that engages lots of buzz and mobilizes a
    big Idol fanbase but he could potentially be the most successful male
    winner they ever had. If single #2 hits, it could happen.

    This post was in reference to his album sales. I think what people are trying to say is he has a LONG, LONG way to go to be the most successful male winner EVER.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I will honestly admit I don’t completely understand all these new methods mof recording record sales.  However, I do marvel at the fact that Elvis Presley and his band sold thousands of records from the trunk of their car, while touring the South.  No records were kept, so we’ll never know exactly how many records he really sold!  Imagine what his sales would be in this day and age!  This holds true for the Beatles as well.  WOW!

  • LongKissGoodnight

    It’s very late in my neck of the woods so I will be real quick.
    When compared to debuts from 4 winners that went before him, combined with the fact that season 5 was the most watched season in American Idol’s history it is hard to reach any conclusion other then this one – Taylor’s album failed to sell outside of his, proportionally big considering the ratings, fanbase. The circumstances of that are irrelevant. Failed eras usually have failed strategies attached to them, nothing new there. Though if tasked with assigning blame I would point first towards Sony, and their attempts to mainstream Taylor’s sound to the point when it was of no interest not only to radio but to his niche genre of chose as well.
    But the fact remains, that album’s first few month was when it became evident that for the first time Idol machine had failed to produce relevant winner (or at least popular tv personalty who’s numbers would be big enough to impress). And since first cut is the deepest Taylor’s debut will have the unfortunate fate of being brought up with negative connotations attached to it as long as Idol-related conversations live.

  • Kirsten

    And since the first cut is the deepest Taylor’s debut will have the unfortunate fate of being brought up with negative connotations attached to it as long as Idol-related conversations live.

    Yep that is to be his fate. No argument here. It also didn’t help that he followed the most successful debut album of any winner and the guy who came in fourth went multiplatinum. Even his runner-up has the lead in a prime time drama. So, Taylor is doomed to be the whipping-boy.

    Sometimes, though, I get feisty and point out the errors in the argument especially when respected news sources use bad math or mitigation arguments are only made in one direction. Seriously, 600K is so far removed from 7M that it is ridiculous to compare Phil to Carrie. Phil to Jordin with a bunch of “recalculation” maybe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jenny.williams.391 Jenny Williams

     last year. TobyMac. first week of September

  • shell29

    Big difference between having the most successful single and being the most successful male Idol winner. As others have said he has a long way to go before he achieves the latter. At this point P2 is off to a great start but it remains to be seen if he will have staying power. As of now he’s a one hit wonder (albeit a smash ‘hit’) with an album that has sold just over 600K copies. It hasn’t sold platinum yet. Even if he sells 1 million, he still has a little ways to go to catch Cook or Scotty let alone Ruben (and that’s just for debut albums). I’m not saying he can’t get there eventually but he’s got a LONG way to go.

  • girlygirltoo

    Well, Justin Timberlake doesn’t have to worry about radio play for his new single. He got 148 adds (most of any artist for this week)

    “Home” picked up 9 new adds (7 AC, 2 Canada Main AC)

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    LOL I think that way all the time. ;)

  • girlygirltoo

    We don’t know for sure that Home will outsell Stronger. Kelly’s single is over 4 million sold and still selling. 

  • elliegrll

    Sometimes get the impression the song is more well-known than the singer.

    I think that’s normal for any new artist, who just has one hit song.  The trick is to use the song and follow up singles to bring attention to the artist.  A good example of this is Bruno Mars.  People were calling him a flop when his debut album only sold 50,000 or so copies during its debut week, but the fact is that people needed a chance to get to know Bruno, and trust that he had more than one good song on his album.  This is the normal way that people build up a career, and sometimes I think that we forget that in the bubble, because the alums start off selling more albums than other new artists do.  

    Another fact is that we don’t have to look far to see that Phillip is going to have a lot more success, if he becomes known because of his songs, instead of being known for his celebrity.

  • maymay

    Well, even Taylor Swift can`t sell 7 platinum like Carrie. The music industry is totally different today since 2005, so is American Idol. And AI had the lowest ratings last season.

    People confidently predicted Phillip would flop but he`s not so far. So the issue turns to the standard of the success. We don`t need to diss or exaggerate PP`s success. At a normal standard, PP is definitely successful, and peope can`t deny it. For now, Home sells about 3.6m and The World from the Side of the Moon 620k. Home could sell 5 platinum and TWFTSOM platinum eventually. Don`t forget not much songs can sell 5 platinum in music industry today.

    If Gone Gone Gone becomes the radio smash and sells multi platinum, that will help PP`s album sales and the third single. It means PP has a chance to outsell DC`s 1.5m sales, even becomes the third bestseller behind Kelly and Carrie among the Idol winners.

    If the radio continues to play PP`s single when he releases his sophomore, then maybe we can say PP will have a music career in a long time.

  • springboard2

    Mediabase – Tuesday update:
     
    AAA:
    2  3  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  543  578  -35  1.861
    +2  Spins
    +7  Bullet
    +0.004  AI
    32  31  VICCI MARTINEZ   Come Along f/CeeLo Green  106  102  4  0.667
    -2  Spins
    -6  Bullet
    -0.02  AI
    Alt:
    42  41  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  208  214  -6  0.787
    +7  Spins
    +13  Bullet
    +0.023  AI
    Country:
    14  11  CARRIE UNDERWOOD   Two Black Cadillacs  4153  3640  513  31.992
    +77  Spins
    -32  Bullet
    +0.306  AI
    17  14  CASEY JAMES   Crying On A Suitcase  3030  2923  107  24.119
    +21  Spins
    -18  Bullet
    +0.108  AI
    36  35  KELLY CLARKSON   Don’t Rush f/Vince Gill  882  854  28  4.692
    +10  Spins
    +10  Bullet
    +0.116  AI
    HAC:
    3  4  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  4321  4628  -307  30.343
    -39  Spins
    -20  Bullet
    -0.306  AI
    11  10  KELLY CLARKSON   Catch My Breath  2960  2750  210  21.552
    +25  Spins
    -2  Bullet
    +0.253  AI
    30  28  VICCI MARTINEZ   Come Along f/CeeLo Green  554  507  47  2.007
    +2  Spins
    -7  Bullet
    -0.004  AI
    34  38  CARRIE UNDERWOOD   Blown Away  332  395  -63  1.336
    -11  Spins
    -15  Bullet
    -0.02  AI
    45  44  ONE DIRECTION   Little Things  185  138  47  0.654
    +1  Spins
    -5  Bullet
    +0.01  AI
    POP:
    18  18  ONE DIRECTION   Little Things  5027  5006  21  29.299
    -78  Spins
    -344  Bullet
    -0.287  AI
    20  19  KELLY CLARKSON   Catch My Breath  4640  4352  288  30.194
    +20  Spins
    -103  Bullet
    +0.273  AI
    32  30  OLLY MURS   Troublemaker f/Flo Rida  1437  1048  389  8.396
    +27  Spins
    -12  Bullet
    -0.079  AI
     

  • springboard2

    1/15/2013 – Itunes Top 1500 Singles and Albums (from LivePopBars)
     
    Singles
    9. Phillip Phillips – Home
    19. Kelly Clarkson – Catch My Breath
    36. One Direction – Little Things
    59. Carly Rae Jepsen – Call Me Maybe
    64. Carrie Underwood – Two Black Cadillacs
    68. Carrie Underwood – Blown Away
    72. One Direction – Kiss You
    93. Olly Murs – Troublemaker (feat. Flo Rida)
    95. One Direction – What Makes You Beautiful
    104. Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen – Good Time
    110. Cher Lloyd – Want U Back
    124. One Direction – Live While We’re Young
    129. Cher Lloyd – Oath (feat. Becky G)
    162. Kelly Clarkson – Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You)
    169. Carrie Underwood – Good Girl
    203. Casey James – Crying On a Suitcase
    208. One Direction – One Thing
    217. One Direction – Kiss You
    249. One Direction – Little Things
    300. Carly Rae Jepsen – This Kiss
    304. One Direction – Rock Me
    319. Kelly Clarkson – Because of You
    409. Carly Rae Jepsen – This Kiss
    415. Kelly Clarkson – Dark Side
    422. One Direction – She’s Not Afraid
    448. One Direction – Nobody Compares
    506. Kelly Clarkson – Don’t Rush (feat. Vince Gill)
    560. One Direction – Heart Attack
    576. Phillip Phillips – Gone, Gone, Gone
    592. Carrie Underwood – Before He Cheats
    604. Carly Rae Jepsen – Call Me Maybe
    634. One Direction – Still the One
    654. One Direction – They Don’t Know About Us
    703. One Direction – Live While We’re Young
    718. Kelly Clarkson – Since U Been Gone
    775. Mandisa & tobyMac – Good Morning (feat. TobyMac)
    801. Colton Dixon – You Are
    804. One Direction – Loved You First
    881. One Direction – Up All Night
    888. Cher Lloyd – Swagger Jagger
    913. Kelly Clarkson – Mr. Know It All
    949. One Direction – Moments
    968. Carrie Underwood – Jesus, Take the Wheel
    1027. Carrie Underwood – Cowboy Casanova
    1042. One Direction – Rock Me
    1093. One Direction – Live While We’re Young
    1113. One Direction – Gotta Be You (2012 US Version)
    1165. Fantasia – Lose To Win
    1172. One Direction – I Would
    1257. One Direction – What Makes You Beautiful
    1277. Carly Rae Jepsen & Owl City – Good Time
    1298. Carrie Underwood – Undo It
    1333. Cher Lloyd – With Ur Love
    1348. Phillip Phillips – Home
    1414. Kelly Clarkson – Breakaway
    1427. One Direction – Last First Kiss
    1436. One Direction – More Than This

     
    Albums
    44. One Direction – Take Me Home (Yearbook Edition)
    45. Phillip Phillips – The World from the Side of the Moon (Deluxe)
    47. One Direction – Take Me Home
    62. Kelly Clarkson – Greatest Hits – Chapter One
    75. Colton Dixon – A Messenger
    80. Carrie Underwood – Blown Away
    91. One Direction – Up All Night (Deluxe Version)
    154. Phillip Phillips – The World from the Side of the Moon
    163. Cher Lloyd – Sticks & Stones
    182. Jason Castro – Only a Mountain (Deluxe Version)
    193. One Direction – Up All Night
    380. Pentatonix – PTX, Vol. 1
    412. Kelly Clarkson – Stronger (Deluxe Version)
    419. Cassadee Pope – The Complete Season 3 Collection (The Voice Performance)
    610. Carly Rae Jepsen – Kiss (Deluxe Version)
    869. Carrie Underwood – Play On
    1024. Scotty McCreery – Clear As Day
    1058. Nicholas David – The Complete Season 3 Collection (The Voice Performance)
    1087. Daughtry – Daughtry
    1090. Daughtry – Break the Spell (Deluxe Version)
    1176. Terry McDermott – The Complete Season 3 Collection (The Voice Performance)
    1215. Carrie Underwood – Some Hearts
    1248. Casey James – Casey James
    1312. Adam Lambert – Trespassing (Deluxe Version)
    1314. Mandisa – What If We Were Real
    1390. Kelly Clarkson – Breakaway
     

  • Anny_nanny

    “Only in the US. Adam sold more albums than Scotty overall.”

    Don’t flatter Adam, the market where it is the most popular, as I can see, anybody do not buy music. Neither China, nor Eastern Europe will not give Adam great sales for the pic – I Europe, I know. We have he will give the super-large concerts, but only two or three people at the output of the buy license disk. Not everyone will seek cd in the sale if you can download illegally it is for 5 minutes , and sell only in a few cities of the country.
    Scotty is located in the genre of popular only in the United States and, perhaps, Canada. Therefore, he is difficult to be sold outside the United States – take a look at the great Carrie, not even she has a mega-sales and popularity outside of the States.
    Phillip in the genre that can be differentiated sale around the world, but he needed to promote – in my situation, I was forced to order a disk from the States we have it simply is not there.

    But this I know and understand that any of these three can be like the mega-popular, so and lose any chance. But I’ll be surprised if Scotty loses. Phillip will be in harmony in any case, even if he will go into the shadows and never get played on the radio.
    And Adam is trying to work in a genre where it is very important age and it is not in his favor. And with every year it becomes more and more complicated. But it’s his own choice, may I also think that he is not right. But this is his life and his decision. As my cousin said, I can’t substitute him this stool.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Big “if” – wish him luck – like his album -attractive low-key personality like Kris – see how it goes.

  • elliegrll

    Big “if” – wish him luck – like his album -attractive low-key personality like Kris – see how it goes.

    Adam has a big personality, but still saw a 77% drop for his second album.  I’m not saying that Phillip will get airplay for his next single, but right now that’s the most important thing.  People are going to get to know him through his music.

  • windmills

    LongKissGoodnight: As much as it can upset people within the bubble, fact remain the same – LLWD came, hit and went away without building a strong connection to the singer who released it. So unfortunately yes, from the average person point of view “name Kris Allen’s hit” is as much of a head scratcher as “name hit song from  Lee DeWyze” (trick question).
    So… Correct again.

    Not as far as I’m concerned. The sloppiness of the Billboard comment came from contrasting that with what the article described as David Cook’s hits. If David Cook had hits, then Kris Allen had a hit. Which brings me back to the original point I made: I wouldn’t have had a problem with Billboard’s assessment if they’d just framed it in terms of album sales instead of hits.

    LongKissGoodnight: And finally it said that if Carrie’s first 5 weeks of high and consistent sales (good!) were one pole and Taylor’s album selling 2/3ds of it’s final total within first 2 weeks and taking a dive of the cliff to never recover again (not good) another, then Phil’s album were treading (key word) closer to the first one then to the latter.
    True.

    The problem with Billboard’s comparison is there were better Idol comparisons to P2′s album sales path than Carrie and Taylor. Carrie’s debut album sales path was just as unusual as Taylor Hicks’s sales path. For one thing Some Hearts actually saw its biggest sales week in week 6 (and its 3rd biggest sales week a whole year later!). Let’s dive into some numbers:

    Taylor Hicks (self titled)
    Week 1 (week ending 12/17): 298k
    Week 2 (week ending 12/24): 202k (501k) -32%
    Week 3 (week ending 12/31): 39k (540k) -81%
    Week 4 (week ending 1/07): 19k (559k) -51%
    Week 5 (week ending 1/14): 14k (572k) -26%
    Week 6 (week ending 1/21): 15k (587k) +7%

    Week 1/Week 6 total= 50.8%

    David Cook (self titled)
    Week 1 (week ending 11/23): 280k
    Week 2 (week ending 11/30): 112k (392k) -60%
    Week 3 (week ending 12/7): 87k (479k) -22%
    Week 4 (week ending 12/14): 104k (583k) +20%
    Week 5 (week ending 12/21): 129k (712k) +24%
    Week 6 (week ending 12/28): 101k (813k) -22%

    Week 1/Week 6 total = 34.4%

    P2, The World From The Side Of Moon
    Week 1 (week ending 11/25): 169k
    Week 2 (week ending 12/2): 75k (245k) -56%
    Week 3 (week ending 12/9): 65k (309k) -13%
    Week 4 (week ending 12/16): 68k (377k) +5%
    Week 5 (week ending 12/23): 98k (475k) +31%
    Week 6 (week ending 12/30): 58k (533k) -41%

    Week 1/Week 6 total= 31.7%

    Carrie Underwood, Some Hearts
    Week 1 (week ending 11/20): 315k (315k)
    Week 2 (week ending 11/27): 186k (502k) -41%
    Week 3 (week ending 12/04): 154k (656k) -17%
    Week 4 (week ending 12/11): 174k (830k) +13%
    Week 5 (week ending 12/18): 271k (1,101k) +56%
    Week 6 (week ending 12/25): 401k (1,502k) +48%

    Week 1/Week 6 total = 20.97%

    Like Kirsten says Taylor Hicks’s 6 week sales pattern is way different because of when he released his album. And P2′s sales pattern through 6 weeks looks more like David Cook’s debut album than Carrie’s.

    So, IMO this is a case where Billboard was telling us whether a yam was more like an apple or an orange when there was a potato sitting right there.

    LongKissGoodnight: Except recently Grammy had drastically reduced the number of categories
    available. And, as a lot of industry insiders have mentioned, if that
    male/female, collaborations & duo/groups categories were still in
    place (like they were at the time you are referring to, when Idol still
    had some pull, and successful Idol newcomers received some Grammy nodes)
    ‘Home’ would be amongst front runners for the Nomination.

    But Carrie had 2 songs from her debut album score not only genre but general field nominations for Song Of The Year and she got a general field nomination for Best New Artist, a 1st for Idols (I guess this could still happen for P2). At the time there was still lots of talk of resistance to Idols at the Grammys, which is probably why Kelly’s SUBG got snubbed from Record Of The Year. And just this year Kelly scored Idol’s 1st nomination in the general field category of Record Of The Year (and WDKY got nominated in Song Of The Year too). Point being, the reduced number of categories didn’t affect their ability to break through with their biggest hits.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     No need to flatter Adam the facts still remains the same he out sold both Scotty and Phillip with album #1. 

    Therefore, he is difficult to be sold outside the United States – take a
    look at the great Carrie, not even she has a mega-sales and popularity
    outside of the States.

    Say What???

  • maymay

    The Voice singer Vicci Martinez`s single Come Along is #624.
     

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    People are going to get to know him through his music.

    This was said about the other singer songwriters because it was all about the music for them. How did those work out.

  • lovetheusa1776

    And wish him luck in that regard.  He’s certainly received fortune’s favor with a song that started him off in the right direction.

  • elliegrll

    This was said about the other singer songwriters because it was all about the music for them. How did those work out.

    And the only way that people were going to hear that music is if those singers got airplay.  That didn’t happen.  The same is true with Phillip.  If he has a way to get his music out to the demo/audience that is most likely to buy it, he’ll be in a better position than someone who has the celebrity, but not the airplay.

  • springboard2

    No need to flatter Adam the facts still remains the same he out sold both Scotty and Phillip with album #1. 

    Therefore, he is difficult to be sold outside the United States – take a look at the great Carrie, not even she has a mega-sales and popularity outside of the States.

    Say What???

    Carrie and Scotty are in a genre that is not popular internationally. You can’t compare their international sales to those of a pop artist.

    An artist promoted internationally will obviously sell more than one who isn’t, but it doesn’t necessarily make them successful because they may not have done very well  proportionally to the overall international sales. There are also promotion costs involved for each country that add up in the same way as sales, but have the opposite effect on income.

    Having such a deal just means that at some point the label believed that the artist would be an international success, and therefore gave them an international deal. It doesn’t mean that the artist delivered. 

    I don’t think that comparing numbers from different scales is in any way meaningful.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Then Scotty should be filling Arenas internationally by now too.
    Did he even had one concert outside US? And no, I’m not talking about the Idol’s concert in the philippines.

  • MellyPer1692

    Eh, we compare numbers all the time, whether contextually similar or not. When a definitive statement is made like “XX sold more albums than YY”, I don’t see the problem with pointing out that the definitive statement is wrong.

  • girlygirltoo

    Like all musicians, Phillip is going to need radio airplay, or get his music heard by a large number of people in some other way (used on a commercial, in a movie, etc) for people to get to know him as an artist. Right now, he’s still just a guy with one hit song (even if it is a huge hit). One-hit wonders are a dime a dozen — hell, VH1 even does multi-part series on the top 1-hit wonders of (fill in the decade). 

    There are hundreds of musicians out there right now who probably put out excellent music — but if it isn’t exposed to the general public, it’s likely only a small % of people are aware of this great music. They can still make a decent living in the industry, but they aren’t likely to even become household names.Just a sad fact of the business, unfortunately. It’s far too soon to know where Phillip will end up — as a big star, as a 1-hit wonder who disappears from the radar in terms of commercial success (even if he has a decent career in terms of touring & putting out good music), or somewhere in between.

    But, as with everyone who comes off Idol, as long as he is happy and is able to support himself playing the music he loves, in the end, Phillip will likely be just fine, regardless of how he’s viewed by the general public and/or the music media.

  • bridgette12

    They are not going to promote Scotty outside the US. Their priority right now is to get that second album recorded, put out a single they hope will hit and then drop the album. Then he will tour again with a bigger act. 

  • jpfan2

    Thanks Windmills for the album numbers. Obviously P2 is nowhere near Carrie’s sales but he is in the same ballpark as David Cook  which is great news for him.
    Cook had great album sales. Add in the mega success of Home and the fact that it hit #1 on Triple A (P2′s genre) and you have the potential for big success.

    I think the BB article was just saying P2 was more a success like Carrie than an underperformer like Hicks. I don’t think anyone thinks he’s in her league.

  • elliegrll

    I’m not saying that there’s a guarantee that Phillip will be successful or get airplay.  It’s true that he will need to build up a brand, but in order for him to be successful, and avoid the second album flops that other idol alums like Kris and Adam have seen, his brand needs to be based on his music.

  • blackberryharvest

    His Christmas album charted on itunes in many other countries. I believe his first album did also.

  • bridgette12

    A lot of Idol fans can say their favorite charted on Itunes, but it don’t mean that they sold much.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Yeah, but if the demand was high from this countries for him to have a concert there, one month touring internationally wouldn’t be hard for him to do. But I don’t think there were enough demands. Therefore the argument Scotty might outsold Adam internationally was just a baseless assumption.

  • blackberryharvest

    How much did he sell for his first album? Scotty sold 1.1 million alone just in the US-and I’m sure he sold a decent amount in Canada.

  • blackberryharvest

    No, but just this last summer, he performed at the same venue as Adam(1 day apart), and Scotty had a bigger crowd.

    If he had the opportunity to go outside the US, I’m sure he would. I know he is popular in the Philippines.

  • bridgette12

    There’s no big demand for Scotty to tour internationally. His label is probably more interested in establishing him in the US.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     Adam sold out the same venue 2x. 17,000 in first album era and still almost sold out with no radio play is 2nd era

  • bridgette12

    Every Idol goes to the philipines, it’s nothing out of the ordinary.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Adam sold close to two million copies of his first album. Adam and Scotty both did very well with their first albums.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    You talking about the Costa Mesa?
    Uh, Adam toured there on his Glamnation and sold out for 2 nights(16,084 / 16,084 (100%)

    ”If he had the opportunity to go outside the US, I’m sure he would.”

    But he didn’t. Why?

    ”I know he is popular in the Philippines.”

    LOL Even Lee Dewyze was popular there. Jessica& Colton are having a concert there this Feb. Adam sold 17,000 seats on Oct. 2010 in the Philippines.

  • elliegrll

    Therefore the argument Scotty might outsold Adam internationally was just a baseless assumption.  

    But, someone playing shows in a country doesn’t tell us anything about how well they sold.  The example of Jordin Sparks was used a while back, she seemed to sell as well, if not better than Adam did outside of the US, but I think the only place where she was truly promoted was the UK.

  • mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    Are we still beating the Scotty Vs Adam (not to mention Phillip vs Adam, Carrie vs Adam…on and on) dead horse? Can we move on now?  I think this horse has reached the bloody pulp stage.

  • springboard2

    I fully agree that making predictions about Phillip’s longer term success at this stage is way way premature, and that comparing P2′s first era’s sales to  sophomore’s sales is meaningless.

    But using Adam’s raw international numbers to make comparisons with other alums is not more meaningful in my book.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Don’t flatter Adam…

    I don’t have to flatter Adam. My earlier statement was based on facts. Adam sold more of his debut albums overall than Scotty did. 

  • lovetheusa1776

    Believe both Kris and Adam have “brands” based on their music (more so than Phil) – the problem is lack of airplay.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”But, someone playing shows in a country doesn’t tell us anything about how well they sold.”

    But at least it gives us some idea.
    For example Adam was presented a Platinum certification for his FYE when he visited South Africa for a 2 concerts there and they mentioned TSP was almost Gold. I don’t know how many cd that he sold but the certification just proved that he’s doing well there.

    You can noticed too that he’s mostly touring to countries where he was certified Platinum or gold, though this era he would visit some countries such Petersburg, Kiev, Minsk where he didn’t get a stop on his FYE era.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    LOL, MJ, this is a zombie horse, it will never die.

  • maymay

    Well, even Taylor Swift can`t sell 7 platinum like Carrie. The music industry is totally different today since 2005, so is American Idol. And AI had the lowest ratings last season.

    People confidently predicted Phillip would flop but he doesn`t so far. So the issue turns to the standard of the success. We don`t need diss or exaggerate PP`s achievement. At a normal standard, PP is definitely successful. For now, Home sells about 3.6m and The World from the Side of the Moon 620k. Home could sell 5 platinum and TWFTSOTM platinum eventually. Don`t forget not many albums and songs can sell platinum and 5 platinum respectively in music industry today.

    If Gone Gone Gone becomes the radio smash and sells multi platinum, that will help PP`s albums sales and the third single. It means PP could outsell DC`s 1.5m sales. Will his album sell 2 platinum and become the third bestseller behind Kelly and Carrie among the Idol winners? Time will tell.

    If the radio would continue to play PP`s single when he releases his sophomore,  then maybe we can say PP will have decent music career in a long time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Well, even Taylor Swift can`t sell 7 platinum like Carrie

    She can and she did, with her 2008 album. Adele sold more than Carrie and that was this past year.

    Carrie had the number one album of 2006. P2 will not have the number one album of 2007. That’s the problem with the Billboard article and the inaccurate comparisons they made. If they had compared P2 to Cook vs Kris, the comparison would have made more sense.

  • Anny_nanny

    If you want to compare all and everywhere, don’t click beak at the front of my nose.
    Kris, with all my respect for not sold even the gold of the first single. I understand that it is more convenient to stick your head in the sand and forget about a masterpiece of “No Boundaries”, but this is the first single. And the glory of God, what about him quickly forgotten and Kris received promotion of and support for LLWAD. But Phillip, without the support, sold their second single already more than a third single of Kris. And I am sure that having received a promotion it will sell better than the NB.
    Adam had to go through three false-start before his fans could pat himself on the shoulder.
    And no one wants to remember that the majority of sales of singles Adam and Kris are songs sold at the time of AI – season more popular than the last. And don’t tell me that low – sale-it is the fault of Phillip who cant sing – Jessica and Joshua did not storm the charts as well.

    Just what are trying to say here, as I understand it is a springboard for Carrie, Adam, David was higher and you cannot blame those who splash in the children’s pool because they failed another test of the ocean. I will not wait from Colton gold after two weeks of sales. And I will be happy if Jessica will receive the gold until the summer. I try to live in peace with the fact that there are and try to understand what is wrong and what can be corrected.

    And just as I was sure that if Taylor after new-year-fall of at least half of promo that got Chris, we would not have such a sad story now. Yes, Taylor would not become the mega-pop star, but he would have been more successful. And the AI would now shamefully pretend that Taylor never existed. And this is not the fault of Hicks, the Japanese say about saving face, so AI was lying face down in a puddle after 5 season and can think of nothing better than to blame it on a man – of course the label and producers can’t be wrong, they like Caesar’s wife, beyond suspicion.

    And I make no mega-forecasts for Phillip – there will be a day and will be the bread. I have eyes, and see that until he sold less than many of even the non-winners. But me with this calmly, if he is calmly. Even if he is the non-selling the winner (a miracle happened and the new album Lee received 2 platinum suppose), I will not run on the Internet and to build an alternative reality.

  • Anny_nanny

    I don’t think Scotty need to promotion outside of the United States now – the market of country music in the country is huge, Scotty should strengthen their positions.

    to jpfan2:
    In the first place BB says that they do not know how to count – they were not even able to accurately calculate how much of the winners was from David to Scotty. But may be they assume that their readers will know only Carrie.

  • Anny_nanny

    Don’t worry. Today season will begin and we will have new topics for discussion. )))

  • girlygirltoo

    No Boundaries was Kris’ coronation song, not his first single. It was never promoted as a single. It was never sent to radio. He didn’t even perform it on the Idol tour (other than on opening night).  His first single was LLWD. On the other hand, “Home” was released to radio and heavily promoted as an actual single, rather than as a coronation song. So if you are going to compare first singles, then “Home” should be compared to “LLWD”.

    If you want to compare 2nd singles for Kris and Phillip, then GGG would rightfully be compared to The Truth. Now, as we all know, TT didn’t sell particularly well (last I heard, it was somewhere just north of 100K; that was back in late 2010), although it was a Top 20 “hit” on HAC radio (peaking at #17 on Mediabase and at #16 on BB Adult Pop chart). I think GGG has already sold 100+K? Of course it hasn’t done anything on radio yet (according to Mediabase, GGG got 11 monitored spins last week; 8 from the Triple A station in Detroit that already added it; 1 spin each from 2 other Triple A stations, and 1 spin from a HAC station). Have we heard yet when the official adds date is?

  • Anny_nanny

     If the NB was at least some chance, it would have gone where possible,
    but this horse was more dead than the one on which MJ said earlier. GGG
    sold 116? already.

  • springboard2

    No Boundaries was Kris’ coronation song, not his first single. It was never promoted as a single. It was never sent to radio.

    Kris’ NoBo was promoted and sent to radio. Here’s the thread on Pulse:
    http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pop&action=display&thread=85294&page=14

  • Hazehel

    Adam sold close to two million copies of his first album.

    I would like to see a reputable source for that claim.  All I have seen is fans inflating Adam sales figure without sources.  The one source that I know says 1.2 million worldwide in January 2011,  - http://www.kobaltmusic.com/page-news-detail.php?id=WN134 
    That’s over a year after he released his album, if someone wants to tell me that he sold nearly 800k extra worldwide after that for an old album I would need convincing.   Some time ago someone (might even have been Adam himself) said the album sold platinum in the US, problem is that the official source RIAA doesn’t agree.  So, reputable sources please. 

  • springboard2

    Yes, here’s RCA press release dated 01/15/2011:

    Since the release of Lambert’s debut album For Your Entertainment in 2009 it has sold over 1 million copies worldwide.

    http://www.rcarecords.com/news/global-superstar-adam-lambert-release-highly-anticipated-second-album-trespassing-march-20th-20

  • Hazehel

    So they are claiming it sold nearly 1 million worldwide between in 2011 and 2012?  Let’s crunch some numbers.  In January 2011, FYE sold 787K copies in the US.  By May 2012, it has sold 838K, so it sold a total of only 50K in the US in over a year.  It is claimed to have sold 1.2 million by January 2011 from the Kobalt, therefore outside of US it sold ~400K by January 2011.  Since so few were sold in the US since January 2011, if the 2 million figure is to be believed, then outside of US, ~700K was sold since outside of US in 2011/2012 (when only about 50K was sold in the US), more than the number sold after its in its first year outside of US.  Believe it? I don’t, I call it bollocks.
        

  • Anny_nanny

    What I am sure if it was at least some official reference the specific figures in the network of Adam’s fans would have shown it on Wiki. This is not the case when a year had passed and about a man no one remembers. Adam has a loyal fans, let them not so much as I’d like. And all certificates, which can be traced they monitor. RCA need to write something and they wrote. It’s not informative article, this advertising. Personally I don’t trust them.

    to springboard2:
    They were able to calculate of illegal downloading? Joke.

  • springboard2

    Not only this, but since I gave the wrong date for the first press release in the first place (I have changed it now), and it is December 2011, the international sales would have gone up by 700k in the first 4 months of 2012.

    It just doesn’t add up.

  • Hazehel

    They probably rely on the magic of rounding numbers.  A figure of 1,500,001 can be rounded up to 2 million if they so wished.  

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    Not to compare, partially because they’re all at such different points in their careers and partially because I’ve come to simply wish them all the best, but for info.  

    Scotty’s Dad responded to some international fans at some point with the statement that it was too early in his career for him to tour in other countries.  At the same time, he is already scheduled for a big festival in Canada this summer–performing in the slot right before Kenny Chesney.:)))

  • springboard2

    With adding single sales worth 1/10th album sales, the overall numbers could well be over 1,50000. Rounded up or stretched, they can be morphed into two million, or close to it!

  • Hazehel

    Or perhaps they used the TEA where they convert single sales into equivalent album sales and add them into actual album sales.

    Can’t edit the post above but come to think of it, this is probably the most likely explanation.  Ten tracks equal 1 album, it is possible for him to have sold 5-6 million tracks by May 2012 (he had sold 4.2 million tracks by January 2011 according to the Kobalt press release).  If we assume he had sold ~1.3 million albums worldwide by May 2012, then adding 5-600K to the 1.3 million album figure would give 1.8-1.9 million, and you can then claim the sales is almost 2 million.

  • springboard2

    Yes, I agree.

  • Hazehel

    I just checked the single sales figure, and he sold close to 5 million tracks in the US by July 2012 (that number include his second album, but since none of its singles were big hits, we can assume most, perhaps ~4 million, were from FYE), so it is very possible he sold ~6 million tracks from FYE worldwide by April 2012. 

  • elliegrll

    Believe both Kris and Adam have “brands” based on their music (more so than Phil) – the problem is lack of airplay.

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on that.  None of the three have built a brand yet.  That’s something that takes time, and more than one song.  It’s also something that most people from AI fail to do, which is why they see such huge drops with their second albums, and even though it may seem like a which came first situation, it’s also one of the reasons why it’s hard for them to get airplay.  PDs aren’t going to give them a chance, if they can’t figure out who the alums are as artists, or have a good idea about who they are trying to target with their music.  Based on the press that Phillip was getting after AI, it seems like he’s going to be given more of a chance to be taken seriously than some others were.

  • windmills

    Taylor: She can and she did, with her 2008 album. Adele sold more this past year than Carrie did in 2005. (not to take anything away from Carrie’s amazing numbers)

    Surprisingly, not true about Taylor. Taylor’s Fearless has 6.692 million in US sales as of last week. But if you were talking about certifications then maybe Fearless is certified 7x platinum, I haven’t checked. Some Hearts is certified 7x platinum with 7.288 million in US sales. But Adele’s 21 obviously sold more than 10 million in the US so your point about it being possible to put up those numbers in this market stands. 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “But if you were talking about certifications then maybe Fearless is certified 7x platinum, I haven’t checked.”

    I just checked and Fearless was certified 6X platinum on February 11, 2010. Taylor’s other certifications seem pretty timely, so I’m surprised that Fearless hasn’t been certified 7x platinum yet. I think that her label has been way too busy keeping up with all of the certifications for RED and all of the songs from that album. lol I’m sure that they’ll get to it soon though.

  • Anny_nanny

    Tell me what’s Kelly’s label – Stronger-single wasn’t certificate in the United States. What is it?

  • shell29

    Kelly is with RCA.

  • Anny_nanny

    Is it diagnosed?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    As of the week ending January 6, Stronger had sold 4,035,279 downloads:

    106 CLARKSON*KELLY STRONGER (WHAT DOESN’T KILL YO 25,556 -36 39,874 4,035,279

    http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=95364&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

  • Mateja Praznik

     Some labels and artists just don’t feel the need to certify singles and albums. It doesn’t matter anyway.

  • Hazehel

    Many people in pop don’t have their singles certified, for example, Pink hasn’t had any of her singles certified since 2008 even though she had a few multi-million-selling singles, so Kelly isn’t unique in that respect.  I suspect that one reason may be that the singers themselves don’t want them certified, perhaps because the cost of certification get charged back to them.  

  • Anny_nanny

    OK, I agree, this may be the cause.

  • girlygirltoo

    Sorry, but just because there’s a thread on Pulse doesn’t mean a song was officially sent to radio. NoBo was never officially sent for radio adds. Stations simply played it because it was his coronation song. Some stations decided to add it. That was pretty much SOP for Idol coronation songs back in the day. But that’s not the same thing as the label officially sending a song for adds.

    If it was considered his official single, he never would have been allowed to drop it from his set during the Idol tour…which he did after the first show of that tour, replacing it with a cover of a song by The Killers.

  • mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    Can we PLEASE keep the discussion here focused on the PRESENT rather than rehashing the same old same old? We’ve been there and done that.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    When we are talking about seven million albums, 300K is not a large percentage of the overall total. 6.692 million (with three years to build on that number) is close enough to 7 million to make a general statement that Taylor can sell seven million albums.  

    Carrie’s Some Hearts was certified 7x platinum with less than 6.692 million sales. It took almost two years for Carrie to actually reach 7 million from the time she was certified. There is a good chance that Fearless can come close enough to selling 308K more copies of Fearless in the next two years for Taylor’s album to be “official” at 7x platinum, even though her team doesn’t seem to be concerned about the title. They are probably too busy with certifications, in multiple countries, for her last two albums and all her singles in the last few years to worry about an official title of an album that was released in 2008. They have a bunch of certifications all over the world to keep up with.

  • windmills

    Taylor: When we are talking about seven million albums, 300K is not a large percentage of the overall total.

    The current difference in sales between the 2 albums is 596k, or about 9% :p

    I’m starting to feel like one of those really obnoxious grammar police people except it’s about math this time : All I wanted to do is respond to your comment that Taylor had already sold 7x platinum in the US with an album with the simple and surprising fact that she hasn’t yet. Simple factual point, nothing to extrapolate from it because it’s pretty obvious Taylor’s the world’s 2nd biggest current album seller behind Adele :)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    There was an official press release from RCA records that stated that it has sold nearly two million copies worldwide. The number is not from fans “inflating the number without sources”. Fans aren’t making this number up out of thin air.

    That number is as “reputable” as any other number record companies send out in press releases. If we aren’t going to believe that number, then why believe Carrie’s, Cook’s or Jordin’s worldwide numbers that were sent out in press releases?

  • Hazehel

    I think you’d will find that we addressed that RCA press release issue.  No way can the “nearly 2 million” figure be true without RCA playing tricks with numbers.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    The article was a an official press release from RCA record label. If you don’t trust numbers from an official press release from a major record label, then I don’t think you will find the answers you are looking for. Numbers of the worldwide totals from the record labels are what fans from all artists, not just Idols, rely on. It’s impossible to know what artists sell in the almost 200 countries around the world. That’s why fans of all artists wait to see what the worldwide totals are from the artists’ record labels.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    There is a contact person and a number at the bottom of the official press release from RCA. You could ask them. 
    If they are playing tricks with Adam’s numbers, then we can assume they are doing the same with every other Idol and artist that has ever been signed to their label, right? So, Carrie,Jordin’s and Cook’s worldwide totals are not accurate. RCA is just playing tricks with their numbers?

  • justmefornow

    Sometimes it reminds me of Idol itself. Trying to bring in new viewers (posters) with current news-worthy subjects/performers to expand the base, with out alienating the re-hashers of old, no longer relevant subjects/performers.
    Tough call. Good luck.

  • Hazehel

    They do it when they feel the need to do it.  You can try to explain how the album managed to sell 7-800K worlwide when it only sold ~50K in the US in the same time span, and for an album that’s over a year old, I don’t think you can come out with a convincing explanation. 

    Press releases are puff pieces, I am sure they have some figures to back up the claim they are making, except that sometimes the figures may not be quite what’s we are led to believe.  Turning album + TEA sales into album sales would be one of those, i.e. the number is real, but not quite we think it should mean, but not entirely a lie either, just not the complete picture.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    The question wasn’t about the difference between what Carrie has currently sold and what Taylor has currently sold. It was whether or not Taylor has sold seven million or not. Fearless is 308K, not 596K away from 7 million. 308K is less than 5% away from the 7 million mark.

    It would be like saying someone has sold double platinum at 1.9 million. It’s not a stretch to round up 3% when we are referring to multi-million units. It’s close enough.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Carrie’s Some Hearts was certified 7x platinum with less than 6.692 million sales. It took almost two years for Carrie to actually reach 7 million from the time she was certified.”

    Some Hearts was RIAA certified 7X platinum on February 6, 2008. By that date, SH had sold 6,242,590 copies. SH sold >7,000,000 by the week ending July 25, 2010. It took over 2 years and 5 months between the date of certification and when SH actually sold 7X platinum.

    The exact numbers and dates are posted here:

    http://www.mjsbigblog.com/hdd-%e2%80%93-album-sales-prediction-dec-31-jan-6.htm#comment-761313964

  • windmills

    Taylor: If we aren’t going to believe that number, then why believe Carrie’s, Cook’s or Jordin’s worldwide numbers that were sent out in press releases?

    I wouldn’t believe them unless I could find verifiable numbers independently to back them up, tbh. IA with Hazehel, label PRs are prone to exaggerate. 

    In Carrie’s case, her PR claims she has sold “over 15 million albums worldwide”. I think she just crossed the 14 million sales mark in the US this week, and that’s verifiable based on Soundscan reports. The bulk of her sales outside the US can be accounted for by sales in Canada (verifiable by CRIA certifications and media sales report of her 4 albums though Some Hearts and Carnival Ride are undercertified there) with some Australia sales (Play On went gold, Blown Away debuted at #4 and appears to be close to gold sales), and some UK sales. Between the US, Canada, Australia, and UK I can reasonably come up with around 14.9 million. Doesn’t feel like much of a stretch to come up with 100k over 4 albums in other territories but I wouldn’t put up an argument against anybody who didn’t buy it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Do you have a link for Carrie’s PR release? I would like to read it.

  • windmills

    Here’s the most recent PR mentioning Carrie selling more than 15 million:
    CARRIE UNDERWOOD “BLOWN AWAY” BY A SPECTACULAR 2012!

  • Hazehel

    In Carrie’s case, her PR claims she has sold “over 15 million albums worldwide”.

    The claim was first made in July when she sold a bit over 13 million in the US, although I think it is within the realm of possibility that she had sold around 2 million outside of US from 4 albums (well, maybe).   I also read something about David Cook having sold 1.5 million of his debut album –  http://www.honolulupulse.com/tgifinprint/cook-is-ready-to-shatter-notions 
    The number presumably came from his PR.  I thought it odd, but then looking into it further, it seems that he had sold 1.5 million worldwide (the article appeared to have dropped the word worldwide), even that number is doubtful given that he sold very little outside of US and Canada.  Perhaps here it’s the magic of rounding numbers.

    I remember reading a press release from 19 (I think, or could be Fox) a couple of years ago, boasting about how many million singles and album Idol alums have sold.  Problem is that I do try to keep track of how many they have sold, and I can’t work out how I managed to missed the tens of million albums and singles it claimed they have sold.  I am quite sure they can justify their numbers, but I also think they probably played some fancy games with those numbers.

  • lovetheusa1776

    His brand right now is Mumford, which he dislikes.  GGG has a Mumford feel, as well.  Will he be able to switch to a more Rice/Lang vibe which he seems to prefer in his sophomore effort?  (As far as PDs – and how much power do they have – the selection of who gets played appears to be out of their hands now and beyond the understanding of the great unwashed.)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I’m looking at the 15 million figure back in July and trying to come up with two million albums sold outside of the US. I remember that the claim was made that Carrie had sold two million outside of the US before Blown Away. I can find certifications for about 500K for her first three albums. That leaves a miilion and a half albums. I going to have to trust that RCA knows what they are talking about here. They probably know about sales in places where the albums sold, but it wasn’t enough for it to be certified or in countries that don’t bother with certifications.

    That’s how fans at Pulse and other music sites come up with their worldwide numbers, even for artists like Adele. There are never enough certifications or hardcore numbers to equal the total that the record label releases. There are almost two hundred countries in the world, it’s impossible to keep up with all the sales and charts in the countries that sell music. That’s why fans have to rely on the information that the record labels provide. They are the only ones in the position to know how many cds they printed, sent out and sold.

  • windmills

    Hazehel: The claim was first made in July when she sold a bit over 13 million in the US, although I think it is within the realm of possibility that she had sold around 2 million outside of US from 4 albums (well, maybe).  

    Yeah I went back and checked, and the 1st PR saying that came out at the end of July 2012. Carrie’s rounded US album sales as of 7/25: 13.262 million. So technically that meant they were claiming 1.738+ million worldwide. Now that Carrie’s at 14 million sold US which would theoretically mean 15.738+ million worldwide, they haven’t changed that claim to “nearly 16 million.” Maybe they will, who knows? My guess is we don’t start seeing a 16 million number in a Carrie PR until much later this year, and not before BA gets to 1.5 million in US sales (maybe even higher). 

    Like I mentioned both Some Hearts and Carnival Ride are undercertified in Canada (Carnival Ride isn’t even certified platinum though it sold well in excess of the required certification number and Some Hearts has sold well over 300k copies in Canada).  All of Carrie’s albums have sold in excess of their certification levels in Canada. Her sales in Australia and the UK over 4 albums are at around 100k in each territory based on numbers that leaked (likely a little higher in Australia, a little lower in the UK – we might get an update on that when Carrie returns to the UK in March). Going beyond that requires deep diving into territories that I’m too lazy to do ;) 

    I personally feel confident about around 900/950k worldwide over 4 territories and then after that I don’t know. 1.7+ million sounds kind of steep to me tbh. 

    Taylor: I going to have to trust that RCA knows what they are talking about here. They probably know about sales in places where the albums sold, but it wasn’t enough for it to be certified or in countries that don’t bother with certifications.

    It wasn’t RCA doing Carrie’s PR, it’s Arista Nashville. You don’t have to trust Arista Nashville if you can’t find the numbers to back it up :) There’s a reason I personally never gone around talking about Carrie’s 15+ million worldwide sales. I usually stick to US numbers because we have access to the most updated and verifiable sales here.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    You don’t have to trust Arista Nashville if you can’t find the numbers to back it up :)

    I will have to trust Arista on the 1.5 million albums, that there aren’t certifications for. Last summer, Carrie’s and Kelly’s numbers were compared and the 15 million was quoted as a worldwide total. The 20 million for Kelly, 1.5 million for Cook and Jordin’s worldwide numbers are quoted and used in the same way. Worldwide numbers from the record labels are used, not only on this site, but at Pulse and many other music sites. If those numbers are taken as being a fairly accurate total, then the ones for Adam’s FYE should be taken the same way. If Adam’s numbers are bogus, then we have to start considering every press release and all worldwide numbers from all the labels of every artist as questionable.

  • windmills

    Taylor: If Adam’s numbers are bogus, then we have to start considering every press release and all worldwide numbers from all the labels of every artist as questionable.

    I do consider them all of them questionable tbh *shrugs* It’s a good thing I’m not invested in exact worldwide sales totals because it would be pretty frustrating if I were. I mean, it’d be nice to have reliable sources in all markets and for total worldwide sales but it is what it is. 

    (In Adam’s case it’s probably the label counting TEA sales so it’s not completely bogus. It’s just not an indication of album unit sales because like springboard2 and Hazehel have explained, the numbers between his PRs don’t add up in a plausible way.)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Why would Adam’s case be TEA sales and everyone else be album sales? RCA Records said album sales for FYE in the press release. If everyone else’s worldwide numbers are based on albums, when the record label says they are, then the same holds true for Adam’s numbers.

    I do agree that all the numbers are probably stretched or rounded up on EVERY artist, though. I’m sure it is something they all do, adding 5 or 10 percent here or there when they use word such as “almost” or “over”. Since they do it for everyone, it makes comparisons easier. :)