HDD – Album Sales Prediction : Jan 16-22

With 54.02% of the market reporting in, Adele continues to rule supreme. There is no doubt that she will hit number one for her 17th week. If her “Set Fire To The Rain” single can nab number one on the Hot 100 this week, she will set another milestone. As the posters at Pulse pointed out, she will be the first artist to have her first three singles go number one the same week her album is number one on the BB200. The woman is beast, but I don’t think that she would be easily duplicated (I’m looking at you lazy A&R execs).

Everybody else is an also-ran. The ever popular Kidz Bop is set to be the top debut of the week. Isn’t that the project that Kris Allen was involved in? If features a cover of the Adam/Christina song “Moves Like Jagger”. Next up is Toby Keith who is making noise with his novelty song “Red Solo Cup”. The album kind of faltered after it’s release, but the single is really supporting sales. Those wily Canadians Drake and Nickelback round out the top 5 at 4th and 5th respectively.

Rihanna is 6th with “Talk that Talk”. Now 40 is the latest in the compilation album series and is at 7th. It features Kelly’s “Mr. Know it All” and that Adam/Christina “Moves Like Jagger” duet. Young Jeezy is 8th, Luke Bryan is 9th (his latest single currently tops the country charts) and those loveable goofballs, LFMAO are at 10th.

Our first Idol shows up at 11th. Original Recipe Idol, Kelly Clarkson is also showing that a good single moves units. Right behind her is Jason Aldean’s “My Kinda Party” which features a duet with Kelly Clarkson. Right behind him is our latest Idol winner, Scotty McCreery. The final Idol on the Chart is Daughtry at 25th. There aren’t a lot of units being sold, so a few thousand differences in sales can mean a lot of spots.

A final mention goes to Maroon 5 whose album also features that Adam/Christina duet “Moves Like Jagger” (and Adam himself).

CHART DATE: 01/23/2012
LAST UPDATE: 01/23/2012 11:43:09
NOW IN: 54.02%

LW TW artist / album label power index
1 1 ADELE 21 43,406
— 2 KIDZ BOP KIDZ BOP 21 28,646
12 3 TOBY KEITH CLANCY’S TAVERN 13,038
4 4 DRAKE TAKE CARE 10,493
8 5 NICKELBACK HERE AND NOW 10,309
7 6 RIHANNA DEF TALK THAT TALK 9,193
10 7 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 40 VARIOUS ARTISTS 8,797
6 8 YOUNG JEEZY DEF TM 103: HUSTLER AMBITION 8,730
21 9 LUKE BRYAN CAPITOL TAILGATES & TANLINES 8,377
17 10 LMFAO SORRY FOR PARTY ROCKING 7,724

11 13 KELLY CLARKSON STRONGER 6,801
23 14 JASON ALDEAN MY KINDA PARTY 6,733
34 15 SCOTTY MCCREERY MERC CLEAR AS DAY 6,559

36 25 DAUGHTRY BREAK THE SPELL 4,272

35 29 MAROON 5 HANDS ALL OVER 4,116

5 50 SNOW PATROL FALLEN EMPIRES 1,351

Hits Daily Double Sales

  • http://twitter.com/BIackAdam Theo Adam

    Hopefully Daughtry can stop climbing back up the charts. Especially when the single ‘Start of Something Good’ is released in February. 

  • Anonymous

    Toby Knapp wrote a blog last night about Adam’s album cover, but he included this tidbit, since fans were asking him about the lack of adds yesterday.  

    While the song has been gaining radio airplay momentum, initial reports from sources close to Lambert’s label have expressed a degree of interest in what could be considered less-than-overwhelming single sales via iTunes and other digital music services.

    I think that RCA intended to use the early numbers to promote the song, but I can’t imagine that they are surprised that the song didn’t sell 100K copies or more in a week, or that it hasn’t sold more since its been out.  Despite Adam’s one million twitter followers, I think the total for the single is in line with what we saw from IIHY, the remix cd, and the tour dvd.  Adam is not at the level of someone like Taylor Swift, Kelly or Jason Mraz, who can move hundreds of thousands of singles just by word of mouth and social media.

    Maybe Toby is just being Toby, and he means that some PDs and radio people are surprised that the single hasn’t sold more, and that this is something that will play a role in how fast they add it.

  • Dakota01

    Toby’s comment really makes no sense.  How could RCA or PDs have expected more downloads for a song that has just officiallly gone for adds this week.  In fact, there seems to be some discrepancy as to whether today is the official CHR adds date or if it’s next week.  All Access says today while FMBQ indicates next week.
     
    Having said that, I think it was unprofessional for Toby to make a comment like that.  Plus he really isn’t an Adam fan. He just likes to get the hits from fans.
     
    I’m not worried about BTIKM.  If it doesn’t take off, we know that based on reviews so far, there are lots of other (and maybe better) options.

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    I don’t think we can make any predictions or be surprised by sales numbers until we see how many albums of Trespassing are sold in the first week. That will account for the preorder numbers that get the single for free. In this economy I know a ton of fans that support Adam and will go to his concerts and buy his music but see no reason to both preorder an album that comes with the free single and then buy another single just so it “looks good”. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m guessing BTIKM is off the top 1000 songs on iTunes again.  That’s not an encouraging sign for radio PDs.  And I don’t think the TV promo gave it as much of a boost as fans think.

  • Anonymous

    I just laugh at Toby and move on. 

    And for the record, I was doing it when he was saying positive things about Adam too. He’s just a douche and a manipulator. And he doesn’t deserve more of my time.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, I don’t know.  I don’t think RCA would be that naive to think Adam would sell 100,000 in his first week.   – during the holidays with no radio play?  He has a large fanbase but nothing compared to the Justin Bieber’s etc.   Also, didn’t RCA just go through this with David Cook?   Both Adam and David need airplay to movie units.   Adam is in a much better position overseas then David, but I always thought David had much larger fanbase here in the states. 

    I still think Adam will do well in the states here with his album, but he’s going to have to work very hard for it.   He is not in a position like Kelly where PDs will add  his songs with open arms.  

  • Dakota01

    Actually it moved up substantiallly last week when he was on Leno and Ellen, but as has been discussed here countless times, it isn’t going to go anywhere without radio play. 

    One positive is that the video is rumored to be coming out on Monday. That will definitely help.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously has tv promo given any song that is not already getting significant radio play a boost?  I know we have all discussed that before.   But having said that, BTIKM moved close to 800 spots after he had those peformances.   It was off the 1000 chart and then moved to the 280 or somethign like that.  Then it slid down again.   I think this is very encouraging for the MV once it gets into rotation. 

    We will see.  When does the album drop in the UK?   I am hoping all of the glowing reviews there will help the album and single there.   This may be a situation where Adam has to break big overseas first then make inroads here.  The US has always been a tough market for him. 

  • Anonymous

    I think this is just another sign of how useless twitter followers are. They probably expected alot more sales than they got from someone with so many followers on twitter

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I guess that the combination of single downloads plus the pre-orders are giving RCA an idea of Adam’s hardcore fanbase (allowing for a certain proportion of duplicate song downloads).  “Hardcore” referring to those fans who will immediately buy, unheard, any music from Adam and who avidly support him by buying/gifting additional copies of BTIKM, despite getting a free download with a pre-ordered album. I think that there is also a significant proportion of Adam fans who will wait to preview the album before buying it.

  • Anonymous

    Like David Archuleta?   He’s got over 800,000.  Hey, we aren’t even being paid to analyze this and we could have told them that twitter followers don’t mean sales.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    CHR/Pop

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  • Anonymous

    Toby’s comment really makes no sense.  How could RCA or PDs have expected more downloads for a song that has just officiallly gone for adds this week.

    The expectation, whether it was from RCA, or Toby and his colleagues, was that Adam’s hardcore fans would put up some impressive numbers, especially the week after Christmas.   The Taylor Swift/Civil Wars collaboration was released at the end of the week that Adam’s song was released, and in just two days, with no airplay, and just word of mouth on message boards and twitter, it sold more than 100,000 copies.  The next week, the week after Christmas, still with no airplay, it sold another 100,000 copies.  Just two or three weeks ago we saw Jason Mraz’s song shoot up the charts and sell over 100,000 copies on the back of his hardcore fans.  So, this does happen for well established artists.  

    I think that RCA may have been counting on Christmas gift cards, and Adam’s online fanbase, including some of those one million plus twitter followers, but everyone knows that twitter followers doesn’t equal actual fans or sales.

    All Access is more reliable than FMQB.

  • Anonymous

    I think so too.  I don’t RCA is disappointed, but that is just my opinion.   Look at Adam’s sales from his last album in the US.  They were very good but he had just come off of idol.  He’s been absent from radio for awhile, alhtough WWFM still gets spins.    Instant radio play was never a given.  RCA had to know that.

    From the UK reviews, apparentely the album is excellent.   I’m not sure if Adam has received any written  (in print) reviews for his album in the US.  I think it will be fine for Adam in the end.   

  • ryuryu10

    Do you even know that many twitter users don’t live in the US?

  • Kirsten

    Toby’s comment really makes no sense.  How could RCA or PDs have
    expected more downloads for a song that has just officiallly gone for
    adds this week.

    Well, to be fair, Jason Mraz isn’t going for adds until next month and it’s already sold a lot. But, Adam is not Jason. It can happen for some artists though. Toby may have thought that Adam was more of a superstar than he is. What people expect can so often colour how they perceive the results. If a straight A student gets a B, that’s not considered great, but if a straight D student gets the same grade, it is cause for celebration. Toby either needs to recalibrate his expectations or stop tweaking the Glamberts.

    Seriously has tv promo given any song that is not already getting significant radio play a boost? 

    It can happen. Sometimes, a tv performance is a game changer (think about how Ricki Martin’s career EXPLODED after his Grammy performance of “La Copa de la Vida”). Even JLo wasn’t getting much traction on radio until her Idol performance boosted sustained sales and radio finally got on board.

    I will say, though, that Leno and Ellen are the wrong shows to do this. They never seem to result in big instant sales. But the viewers may get exposed and buy later. It’s all about building exposure. Adam hasn’t released new music for a while now, so he has to be re-introduced to radio. It takes time and RCA is invested so, patience. Videos generally help Adam in both sales and radio. I’m sure RCA knows this and it’s why they are making sure they have it ready early-ish.

  • Anonymous

    I honestly can’t see anyone at RCA expecting Adam to sell like Taylor Swift.  She’s an established artist with a long track record of hits and sales.  Just not an equitable comparison.  They may have expected better sales, but I don’t see them expecting that much, not unless they are truly as vapid as many in the idol bubble seem to think. 

  • windmills

    Reporting from Billboard Country Update and Country Aircheck:

    Scotty’s TTWG had a good week at Billboard, gaining 966k and outgaining Lee Brice behind him by 1k AIs. Sara Evans lost her bullet ahead of him and has actually lost AIs 2 weeks in a row, making it eligible to go recurrent next week. Eden’s Edge retained its bullet but lost 67k in AIs and again, this is the 2nd week in a row they’ve lost AIs. Both songs are over 20 weeks old so it’s possible Billboard pulls them off the charts next week. If that happens, and Scotty can hold off Lee Brice and Tim McGraw (which he should, even if Tim McGraw has a bigger week this week with Curb pushing his album), then TTWG will make t20 Billboard this week since David Nail should also be going recurrent since it’s at #23 now. If not then Billboard t20 should happen in a couple weeks. On Mediabase I think t20 should happen in a couple weeks. 

    CaseyJ’s LDCIAN retained its bullet on Billboard with a small loss of 15k AIs, holding at #34. He lost ground to Chris Cagle ahead of him (Cagle gained 412k) but the 2 songs behind him had bigger losses. The 5 adds for LDCIAN (including 3 manual adds) are encouraging and it did get the “Airborne” designation this week as a song that’s been added by 60% of the panel. Small Mediabase AI loss this morning again but I think it should recover the rest of the week. Faith Hill’s song Come Home lost 646k AIs ahead of him. LDCIAN won’t pass her this week and it doesn’t look like she will go recurrent at the end of the week since Come Home had a bullet and gained AIs 2 charts ago. But if CaseyJ can hold off everybody behind him for 2 weeks, he’s got a window to make t30 on Billboard. Mediabase might take a little longer because Faith Hill was still bulleted on last week’s chart and Eden’s Edge only lost its bullet last week.

    Lauren’s GP retained its bullet on Billboard and Aircheck so there’s no immediate recurrency danger. In fact GP actually had a slight AI gain of 24k on Billboard. Gloriana’s actually in the danger zone ahead of GP in that they’ve lost AIs 2 weeks in a row though they had a bullet this week. 

    Jason’s Tattoos On This Town did go recurrent on Billboard after all which allowed Scotty to move up 1, Casey to hold his spot despite being passed by Rascal Flatts, and Lauren to move up 1.

    On the Billboard Country Indicator chart Kellie’s 100 Proof shot up 13 spots to #37 and has a +156 bullet. it also is the #4 most added there with 12 new adds. In this Billboard article on Kellie there’s this quote from Sony Nashville head Gary Overton:

    “We’ve actually started working a single to secondary radio — it’s the title cut,” Sony Music Nashville chairman/CEO Gary Overton says. “It’s an amazing record. We wanted to start a little traction and groundswell at secondary radio instead of pulling the switch and going to the front-line 150 reporting stations . . . It’s a nice, steady campaign through secondary radio and the plan would be to go ahead to mainstream country radio.”

    He also talked about sales and the impact of Kellie’s celebrity:

    Even in the absence of a hit, Pickler is one of the format’s most visible artists. “Kellie is such a celebrity in country music,” Overton says. “Ellen DeGeneres loves her and would have her on every week. We have people asking her for all sorts of things all the time, so we said, ‘Let’s capitalize on that and build the celebrity side, and while we’re doing that let’s let them know she has new music.’ I think we’re going to have a really good first week.”

    Um. This reads disturbingly like “Hey, let’s get as much cheap promo off Kellie’s name as we can and then depending on how sales go, we might promote a single to the bigger markets at country radio!” But, it’s true that Sony Nashville’s been working the internet promo as mentioned in the article with performances, chats, and interviews on all the country blogs so there’s that. I’m very interested to see what 1st week sales are like. 

    Idol-related ads: None

    But, the lead article in Billboard Country Update is about how slow the charts are moving. It’s a positive spin that basically says there’s tons of songs being pushed but labels aren’t giving up on songs they think could make t20 after 15 or 18 weeks, they’re willing to stick with the songs for 40 or 45 weeks if necessary. It’s interesting to read. The article points out there’s more turnover at #1 than ever so it’s not a logjam at the top, it’s the sheer number of possible hits at the chart at any given time. There’s also a little article on page 4 that talks about country on American Idol and American Idol in country right now. Nothing new, just a summary mentioning country songs featured during auditions or as background music during auditions, plus contestants who have stuff going on (Scotty & Lauren as last year’s top 2, Carrie for teaming up with Steven Tyler for CMT Crossroads, and CaseyJ and Kellie for upcoming albums).

  • Anonymous

    I think Adam may come to regret leaving 19M, or XIX, whatever they’re calling themselves now. To me, something’s been off this cycle. He doesn’t seem to getting the same kind of exposure, the buzz around this new CD- from the fans to PD’S and online media feels forced and… kinda desperate. It feel to me like he’s starting all over from scratch – this time w/o the deep pockets of the 19/XIX Simon Fuller fueled machine greasing the way. He’s not the golden boy he was just off the show in 2009 – like everyone else he will have to adjust to the bloom being off the rose, and figure out how to market and sell himself to an ever changing and fickle pop music public. He has to come w/something stronger than hype, and stronger than BTIKM as a lead single. The expectation level for sales, radio success etc from his rabid fans to the media has been blown way out of proportion. He has to deliver, there is barely an wiggle room for him due to the uber hype and spin preceding the release of the single, the CD, the video, etc. The expectation for him to now deliver on all that hype is much hyer than for other Idol alums. We will see if that is going to be a boon or a boondoggle for him this era.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    i-tunes

    Singles
    2. What Doesn’t Kill You (Stronger) – Kelly Clarkson (Deluxe)
    3. Set Fire to the Rain – ADELE
    16. Moves Like Jagger (Studio Recording from “The Voice” Performance) [feat. Christina Aguilera] – Maroon 5
    18. Someone Like You – ADELE
    28. Rolling in the Deep – ADELE
    29. Stereo Hearts (feat. Adam Levine) – Gym Class Heroes
    41. Without You (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    53. Mr. Know It All – Kelly Clarkson (Deluxe)
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    73. The Trouble With Girls – Scotty McCreery
    76. Moves Like Jagger / Jumpin’ Jack Flash (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    96. The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    98. Rumour Has It – ADELE
    123. Remind Me (Duet with Carrie Underwood) – Brad Paisley
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    171. Georgia Peaches – Lauren Alaina
    185. Drink On It – Blake Shelton
    187. We Are Young (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
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    227. Make You Feel My Love – ADELE
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    314. Chasing Pavements – ADELE
    380. I Love You This Big – Scotty McCreery
    382. Good Morning (feat. TobyMac) – Mandisa & tobyMac
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    413. Breakaway – Kelly Clarkson
    441. One and Only – ADELE
    456. Jesus, Take the Wheel – Carrie Underwood
    460. Rumour Has It / Someone Like You (Glee Cast Version) – Glee Cast
    505. Before He Cheats – Carrie Underwood
    567. Fly Over States – Jason Aldean
    662. Bleeding Love – Leona Lewis
    703. Lovesong – ADELE
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    734. Just a Dream – Carrie Underwood
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    903. Tough – Kellie Pickler
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    940. My Life Would Suck Without You – Kelly Clarkson (Single)
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    15. 100 Proof – Kellie Pickler
    19. 19 – ADELE
    24. Stronger (Deluxe Version) – Kelly Clarkson
    69. Clear As Day – Scotty McCreery
    76. Winter – EP – Jack and White
    157. Break the Spell (Deluxe Version) – Daughtry
    224. Wildflower – Lauren Alaina
    304. Glee: The Music, Vol. 7 – Glee Cast
    373. Stronger – Kelly Clarkson
    441. iTunes Festival: London 2011 – EP – ADELE
    457. iTunes Live from SoHo – ADELE
    480. Play On – Carrie Underwood
    539. Break the Spell – Daughtry
    625. Glee: The Music Presents The Warblers – Glee Cast
    759. Memories of a Beautiful Disaster – James Durbin
    764. Red – Dia Frampton
    858. Glee: The Music, Vol. 1 – Glee Cast
    864. Duets II – Tony Bennett
    941. Come Through for You – Javier Colon
    955. Some Hearts – Carrie Underwood
    963. Breakaway – Kelly Clarkson
    971. Dream With Me – Jackie Evancho
    1019. Glee: The Music, Vol. 6 – Glee Cast

  • Anonymous

    I agree.  I think RCA is more realistic about Adam then people give them credit for.   Just because a few OTT Glamberts think Adam is a superstar doesn’t mean RCA is caught up in that.   IMO, however, RCA does believe in Adam’s talent.  Whether he hits in big in the states with this album has yet to be seen, but it doesn’t negate the fact that he is incredibly talented. 

  • Mateja Praznik

    It’s not like staying with Simon Fuller helped David Cook …

  • Anonymous

    That’s a straw man argument, and a bit of a deflection… Cook and Adam’s careers and promo from 19M are as far from each other as the east is from the west.  Adam’s promo was 1kx Cook’s – and Cook won the show, lol. Fuller and the 19m promo machine treated Adam like a winner, something unprecedented for a runner up – unless you consider Clay’s huge promo after his season. 19M did way more for Adam in terms of launching him and getting him the primo gigs than they ever did for Cook, save for Cook’s SNL appearance. Fuller has mega connections and mighty deep pockets, but even he cannot work miracles if the public is just not interested anymore in you. We may be seeing some of that w/ Cook now, the cooling off after starting hot. We have to keep watching to see if Adam’s new mgmt can duplicate or exceed what Fuller and company delivered for Adam. All JMO, of course.

  • CindyM

    That’s not true. David Cook had a ton of promo. He had Saturday Night Live. His song was used on the Olympics, he got almost all the same shows that Adam did. It’s revisionist history to say he didn’t.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t say Cook didn’t get any decent promo from 19m, but to say his and Adam’s promo and level of exposure was equal is revisionist at its best. It wasn’t that far ago when all this transpired, lol. But that really doesn’t matter now anyway, because it’s Adam’s turn to stand on his own merits, and live up to all the hype, and spin, and outsized expectations set in the minds of his fans, and the public. He must now begin to deliver on the expectation and hype generated, or he begins to look like the emperor w/no clothes. It’s his turn now, Cook and others have had theirs. Some succeeded, some did not. All eyes will be watching to see how Adam fares.

  • Tess

    Adam may pull a David and do as miserably this cycle as both of them did…only time will tell.  But, Adam isn’t relying on his past to promote his future.  He is dropping all pretext of being a “rock” singer and is embracing his love of pop and rythmic from what I hear on his interviews.  He is giving up the OTT in your face costumes and glitter for a more mature approach (IMO) to where he wants to head.

    We know through 10 years of history that it is often a very tough road for an Idolette who secured fame and fortune from the show to be able to just come out during era 2 and replicate or surpass their previous efforts.  Adam NEVER reached top tier with his debut…he did well and satisfied his core fan base and built a nice new International one.  Now, like every other sophomore from Idol he needs to see if he can move forward rather than remain stagnant or move backwards.

    I think I’ll wait for the album and the passage of summer to figure out if he is dead in the water or still swimming upstream.

  • Anonymous

    ”But, Adam isn’t relying on his past to promote his future.  He is
    dropping all pretext of being a “rock” singer and is embracing his love
    of pop and rythmic from what I hear on his interviews.”

    Queen, anyone?

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    I don’t think Adam leaving 19 and Fuller has anything to do with. I do think the changes in RCA recently has played a major role. Not that RCA A&R team where great the first time around but I think this new team coming from Jive is even worse. This Joe “King” for as I’m concern isn’t a fan of Adam or Pop music in general. Radio is all politics and it is not unheard of for A&R people to not exactly push certain artists and send a message to radio people on who they really want pushed. I think Internationally Adam will do better because  it’s not the same people running the show. Toby is a douche who is out to just look for hits and why Adam fans even engage with him is pathetic. He recently tweeted last week he had dinner with Joe “King” and I won’t be surprised he is getting his info from him. I’m not sure how many albums Adam has left with RCA but with this new team Adam and RCA are not a good fit and hope he moves on after his albums are done. I wish he would still be with Barry Weiss. Adam is a smart cookie and he’ll read the tea leaves soon enough.

  • Dakota01

    Sure he sang “rock” with Queen, but that’s not the direction he’s going in with this album.

  • Anonymous

    No one should have expected Adam to get the same sort of promo as he received for his first album. He was straight off of Idol then, which automatically gives you major promo if you finish in the Top 2, and then there was all the buzz about his sexuality, which made him unique since there are not a lot of out gay singers. But all that is old news more than 2 years down the road. He’s very talented for sure, but so are hundreds of other musicians. RCA & his management have other artists they have to promote as well — they can’t spend all their time & money on any one artist, no matter who it is.

    Although FYE and his singles had solid sales, they were not such huge hits as to make him into enough of a star on the level of Gaga, Jay-Z, Taylor Swift, or someone like that. So RCA & his management should be clued in that this second era is likely going to start slower than the 1st one did.  Assuming they are clued into that fact, I doubt they are too worried yet. 

  • Mateja Praznik

    Okay, here is my opinion … it might be long …

    I think 19 and Sony mis-managed the careers of post season 5 Idols big time.

    Idol produces a new crop of Idols every year. Idols of today are definitely in a different situation than those from seasons 1-4 were. Today new Idols are seen as disposable because we know the show will produce another crop by the next May. In the beginning, Idols seemed more special.

    Watching how the careers of both Davids turned out and their big sophomore slumps, I will try to explain.

    Idol ends in May. Next stop? Make debut album while on tour across America. While I’m sure the tour is a great experience, it’s not ideal for making albums.

    Debut albums were released in November. With the release comes promotion.

    After the new year, talks about touring, followed by tour announcements, a few appearances on the following season of Idol and touring until the end of the year. Adam also had international promo, but then he also toured in the US and internationally until the end of the year.

    Here’s where I think mistakes were made. I think Idols tour too much after debut album release. I mean, with only one album worth of material, they tour for what, half a year or even more (Cook)? I understand it’s great for fans to be able to see their favorite on tour, but I don’t think it helps the Idol.

    After long tours, Idols are exhausted and need some time off to rest and get their lives back together. And then, a long story of producing sophomore releases starts. That takes another year and a half. With no new music out, nothing on the radio, nothing in the media (okay, Adam is a bit of an exception, but still).

    Debut albums are rushed, the material is not that solid and they are lucky if the label pulls out one or two successful (or at least not flop) singles. One or two moderately successful singles just don’t last long. Not long enough to keep an Idol in the minds of people for two or three years.

    IMO, Idols should start working on their sophomore releases as soon as possible. Ideally, drop debut album in November, promote it until Christmas everywhere, take some time off for the holidays, then start working on your sophomore release in January. Continue promoting your debut all spring and as soon as the last single from the debut is done on the radio, drop a new single. Work on new material as much as you can that year. Release sophomore album 1 year or year and a half after the debut (depends on how long singles from debut album last). Touring should not be the priority that first year. I understand touring is where the money is made for the artist, but with only one album worth of material, what’s the point of long tours? Seriously, new Idols tour like they have some great back catalog of material and are established.

    I think that scenario with six months or more of touring after the debut album worked for Carrie and Daughtry, but they both had 5 hits or more on their debuts. They could afford to extend their album eras and tour longer. The Davids, Adam and Kris didn’t have that luxury, IMO.

    We live in a world that turns pretty fast. We have short attention spans. Music business is going the same way.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Anyone expecting Adam to sell like gangbusters over Xmas without promo was nuts. Do these people not pay attention? LOL. If a bunch of amateur internet chart watchers knew, I refuse to believe RCA didn’t. Unless they thought the song was that explosive? But still, who can predict that kind of thing? Blah.

    I can see maybe radio people thinking that because some of them have said dumb things before, especially when it comes to Idol sales.

    I think Adam picked the right management for where he wants to go and I think his rollout has been handled quite well so far. If anything is going wrong it is that the song may not be moving as fast as had been hoped, but that kind of thing is hard to predict, so I wouldn’t blame management for that. They would just have to adapt to the changing circumstances.

    This is not the end of the world. If the song ends up not working they can switch songs. He has a lot of tools in his arsenal to work with, so there is no reason things can’t work out in the end.

  • Anonymous

    Not that RCA A&R team where great the first time around but I think this new team coming from Jive is even worse.

    I have to disagree with this.  RCA was named Mediabase’s top label of the year, mainly because of the achievements of Jive artists such as Hot Chelle Rae, Britney Spears, Usher, Chris Brown and Pink. Check this out: http://www.rcarecords.com/news/rca-named-best-label-2011

    This Joe “King” for as I’m concern isn’t a fan of Adam or Pop music in general. 

    This is the same Joe who was named the top Pop Promotional Executive of 2011 by Mediabase.  His honor is listed on the same link that I posted above.  He’s responsible for the Pop radio success of the artists, who I listed in the first paragraph.  I’m sure that he’s a fan of all of the RCA artists, and there’s more than enough evidence of how hard he’s been pushing Adam to radio.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I actually agree with some of that Mateja. Unless you have smashes on that first album, you need to get new music out fairly quickly. I don’t know about not touring at all, but I could see shorter touring or at least recording/writing while touring. I could see shooting for having new music out at, say, the year and a half mark (during the Idol season).

    I also don’t know if I would blame the label for that not happening, a lot of the time it is the artist’s decision.

    Then again, Jordin Sparks is always the example of someone who did everything right and it still didn’t work. So I’m a bit torn here, though I think you have a good point.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    I have to disagree with this.  RCA was named Mediabase’s top label of
    the year, mainly because of the achievements of Jive artists such as Hot
    Chelle Rae, Britney Spears, Usher, Chris Brown and Pink. Check this
    out: http://www.rcarecords.com/news…

    ^^^Joe has a history with Jive artists and that is were his attention will continue to be focus on with him running RCA now.

     He’s responsible for the Pop radio success of the artists, who I listed
    in the first paragraph.  I’m sure that he’s a fan of all of the RCA
    artists, and there’s more than enough evidence of how hard he’s been
    pushing Adam to radio.

    ^^^All Jive artists now on RCA. Adam was not a part of that group. There is no evidence at all on how hard he has pushed Adam to radio. Adam’s management is doing a great job with his print promo though. All his UK reviews and listening parties has been handled by his new UK PR firm Outside Edge.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s where I think mistakes were made. I think Idols tour too much after debut album release. I mean, with only one album worth of material, they tour for what, half a year or even more (Cook)? I understand it’s great for fans to be able to see their favorite on tour, but I don’t think it helps the Idol.

    I’ve never understood the call for idols to tour right when the new year starts.  They are just singing to the chorus.  It would make more sense to use that time having them appear in the mainstream media as much as possible, and possibly sending them on a radio promo tour.  They really need to focus on pushing two or three songs to radio, before they worry about touring.  But, I guess for 19, it’s more about making money as soon as possible.  The focus should be on getting them established, branching out beyond the bubble, and showing people that they aren’t just reality 
    show contestants.  

    Even in the absence of a hit, Pickler is one of the format’s most visible artists. “Kellie is such a celebrity in country music,” Overton says. “Ellen DeGeneres loves her and would have her on every week. We have people asking her for all sorts of things all the time, so we said, ‘Let’s capitalize on that and build the celebrity side, and while we’re doing that let’s let them know she has new music.’ I think we’re going to have a really good first week.”

    Um. This reads disturbingly like “Hey, let’s get as much cheap promo off Kellie’s name as we can and then depending on how sales go, we might promote a single to the bigger markets at country radio!” But, it’s true that Sony Nashville’s been working the internet promo as mentioned in the article with performances, chats, and interviews on all the country blogs so there’s that. I’m very interested to see what 1st week sales are like.

    That’s an interesting quote.  It’s similar to the situation that Adam Lambert seems to be in.  Right now, his career has been built on his celebrity as much, if not more than his name.  That’s true for Kellie too, which is probably why it’s hard for her to get people to listen to her more serious songs.  It’s important for artists to build up a name for themselves, or to be a celebrity,  because it makes the public aware that they exist, but sometimes they windup putting themselves in a corner.  Either people refuse to see them as three dimensional and having depth, which is what Kellie seems to be dealing with, or if they don’t achieve certain things, then people can become judgmental.  RCA, the media, and Adam’s management have built up this image, but if Adam doesn’t deliver then even the people who helped build him up want to tear him down.

  • Mateja Praznik

    IMO, Jordin needed more than one hit single on her sophomore album. Jive released SOS after Battlefield and when that didn’t do anything, there really wasn’t anything that would smash.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know but I don’t think it’s that critical to rush the second album. Whether or not you rush it out or take your time you have to create something that a lot of people like if you want it to chart high and sell a lot. I like David Cooks second album and I bought it but it is not the style of music that is selling and charting like gang busters. It may take longer for your music to catch on when you are new, but if people like it, I mean lots of people like it….and if your sound for what ever reason resonates (like right now it’s Adele or Bruno) then you have a big hit.

  • Tess

    The easiest job in football is to be an arm chair quarterback or coach.  Everyone sitting in front of their TVs can second guess every play every decision every execution….that is why sports on TV are so popular.  It lets the little guy feel like they are one step ahead of the pros, a little smarter, lots sharper, more intuitive.  And they can be the first to spout off about how the team or the player would have been better off listening to them than doing what they did.  

    Being a bubblette, for me, is just like that.  I can come up with pages and pages of thoughts as to how Adam or any other Idol could have or should of done it better….and even though I’ll never have actual results to verify my thought processes I can rest comfortably knowing that I would have made all the right decisions.

    But in reality I have no way of knowing why anyone is doing what they are doing…I’m not a member of the team, don’t have privy to inside information, don’t know how many times a play may have worked in practice just to fall apart in the real world.  I don’t think I’d ever want to be playing this game for real…especially if I had an internet full of fans just like me.  The music business is about skill, perseverance, planning and execution but, just like a sporting event, it is also about LUCK and being in the right place at the right time and doing the right thing in that instance.  Tough job.

  • LaurelG

    “For some reason I don’t think Adam, his team, and RCA are too worried about the success or failure of BTIKM to the extent some in his fan base are…at least Stateside.  If they were putting all of era 2s eggs in that basket they wouldn’t be heading across the big pond already to pre-promote his album.I think that a lot of market research was done during era 1 and Adam is going to be promoting based off of that research.  I just feel that his team are as interested in the International market and are maybe hoping that if he can hold his own outside of the US that success can follow him back home and correlate into sales of his album here.Maybe I am over-thinking all of this but I don’t get any angst from him that they feel that his first single will be the ultimate promotional tool for the album like is done for other artists.  Someone seems to think the album will sell the album, the album will sell follow-up singles, and all that will sell whatever tour he is planning.Different marketing strategies happen all the time and I think this is one of them.”

    Pulling these comments from another thread because after I read this I thought to myself, “Yes, so true.”  The part about promoting him abroad with the idea that success can follow him back home sounds like a good strategy.  Or perhaps the plan is simply to promote him simultaneously on multiple fronts and see which catches fire first.  The fact that Adam is doing so much promo overseas before the album’s release is so unlike his Idol predecessors that it’s difficult to compare him to Cook or other American idols.  And despite David’s voice and considerable talents, his material was simply not radio friendly, imo.  At least not radio friendly in today’s current radio environment.  But based on what we’ve heard (BTIKM) and what we’ve heard about (Cuckoo, Trespassing), Adam’s material is or seems to be.  Time will tell.  I’m a patient fan, lol.  

    (Can someone tell me how to block quote?)   

           

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Yeah, that’s a good point. She debuted to startlingly low numbers, but if she had another hit she might have at least ended up in a decent place.

    I do think speeding up the album process is not a guarantee of anything marmom07, but I do think there are trade offs. The longer you wait, the more you have to depend on lightening striking with that first single. To some people the risk is worth it though.

  • Anonymous

     Joe has a history with Jive artists and that is were his attention will continue to be focus on with him running RCA now.

     

    I doubt that’s true, because if he did that, he’d be out of a job.  Besides, there are a lot of talented people who were signed under RCA, J, and Arista, so why wouldn’t he promote them?  He’s not in A&R, his job is to work the radio stations, so even if he knows more about some of the Jive artists right now, that doesn’t take away from the fact that he’s really good at his job.  So good that he’s been named the  executive of the year by Mediabase and FMQB multiple times.

    All Jive artists now on RCA. Adam was not a part of that group. There is no evidence at all on how hard he has pushed Adam to radio. Adam’s management is doing a great job with his print promo though. All his UK reviews and listening parties has been handled by his new UK PR firm Outside Edge. 

    How do you think the US based PDs and DJs who were tweeting about Adam’s single(s) months ago found out about the music?  He’s held meetings over the telephone and in person with those in radio, where Adam has been one of the people who he’s promoted.  

  • Anonymous

    lol Toby and his ‘full of behind the scenes info’ ~blogs. He should post here instead, he would fit right in. 

    I mean we knew he was full of sh*t and had no real info since all his babbling about Q4 priority 3/4 year ago, but still it’s nice to finally see him to admit he was just trolling adam fans for hits all along.

  • Anonymous

    ^^^Joe has a history with Jive artists and that is were his attention will continue to be focus on with him running RCA now.

    ^^^All Jive artists now on RCA. Adam was not a part of that group. There is no evidence at all on how hard he has pushed Adam to radio.

    That’s ridiculous.  Joe Riccitelli is a professional, not some 12-year old who is only going to promote his favorites (assuming the Jive artists are his favorites which I also doubt). Why would he not promote all the artists he’s responsible for?  I assume he cares about doing a good job as well as his reputation, and I’m sure the guy has ambitions. He’s not going to sabotage his future to play some silly favorites game.

  • Anonymous

    stop tweaking the Glamber

    lol my favorite part of Toby’s little blog was insinuating that Adam’s fans were stealing the single and that’s why the number could be lower than expectations…lol talk about tweaking the fanbase

  • ronnie

    “Better than I know myself” is just not a good song so if people are disappointed in sales, it’s because the song is not that good.  I think if Adam offered up a great song, the public would bite.  Kelly has already sold half a million of “Stronger” and it goes to radio just this week so I don’t think that in itself can be blamed for lack of sales.  Kelly has a great song, that’s why it is selling.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    Adam’s problem is radio. The fact that he has a lot of media support and is seen as a celebrity is what kept him from the “Where Are They Now” lists that has been given to Cook, Lee and Kris the most recent Idol winners. Adam may never be a huge US album seller but he will probably be more of a critically acclaimed artist (Grammy noms)and that can do well on touring.

    For me Adam just needs to well enough in the US but my long term goal for him is to do better Internationally. Even before following him the artists who were more globally stood out for me rather than the ones who were just US success stories. Not that there is anything wrong with just being successful in the US. I also enjoy following him more Internationally. The international fans who don’t know him from Idol and radio DJs and PDs are so much better. Most of the DJs in the US are just douchebags. They always were and they still are.

  • Anonymous

    lmao at you so adamantly defending the same person who has had a major role in deciding to send the truth to radio and make it the second single. I wish we had the comments about ‘the evil label’ at hand rn tbh.

    And let’s not forget about the less than stellar more recent choices with kelly’s and daughtry’s lead singles (and cook’s second single)oh yeah and archuleta, that was under that mediabase awarded mastermind too right?selective memory much? ;)

  • fuzzywuzzy

    It’s a moot point now, but I don’t think that anyone knows if it was Adam’s choice to not stay with Fuller.  I don’t think that any fans knows what happened there, or anything was published about that, although I could have easily missed it.

  • Anonymous

    I mean, with only one album worth of material, they tour for what, half a year or even more (Cook)? I understand it’s great for fans to be able to see their favorite on tour, but I don’t think it helps the Idol.

    It creates a lot of income.  For many artist today, because of the change in the nature of single/album sales, a huge chunk of their income comes from touring and merchandise sales.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    I’m not at all surprised that Kris fans think Joe is the greatest thing since slice bread. Him and Kris are buddies. lol  I do think Kris will do very well under Joe. Albums I’m not sure of because Kris isn’t an album seller but radio he will benefit.

  • Anonymous

    My comments relate to the idea that somehow Joe is going to promote Jive artists above others under the RCA umbrella.  I don’t think it’s a reasonable argument to make.  RCA is a business, not junior high.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Well, I did mention that in my post. But is all that cash worth of losing the momentum? Because if it is, then Idol really isn’t about establishing long term  careers.

  • Tess

    I don’t know of too many management firms that would choose to pull the plug on one of their clients who had made several million dollars over the course of a year…at a 15% rate of return 19 would have had to be bonkers to give up that cash cow.  

  • Anonymous

    lmao at you so adamantly defending the same person who has had a major role in deciding to send the truth to radio and make it the second single. I wish we had the comments about ‘the evil label’ at hand rn tbh.  

    I can defend him, because that wasn’t his decision.  He’s not in charge of A&R, he’s in radio promotions.  There’s a difference.  The person who made that decision gave him the task of getting radio stations to play it.  And despite all of the issues that the song has, to Riccitelli’s credit, he got the majority of HAC radio stations to add the song, and at least give it some airplay over night.  Given that some of these PDs knew that the song wouldn’t work well with their listeners, I think that the fact that they added it speaks to Riccitelli’s ability, as well as how well Kris did with his first single.

    By the way, the person who made that decision, as well as the decision to release similar songs from David Archuleta, is no longer with Sony or RCA.  And as stupid ans Fenster’s decision was, I’d like to think that I’m more articulate (and wordy) to come up with a better description of what happened than just calling the label evil.  In fact, I praised Fenster for picking LLWD, and thought that while the decision to bring on Pat Monahan was pointless, it did show that Jive believed in Kris, and wanted to establish him the HAC crowd.

    nd let’s not forget about the less than stellar more recent choices with kelly’s and daughtry’s lead singles (and cook’s second single)oh yeah and archuleta, that was under that mediabase awarded mastermind too right?selective memory much? ;) 

    Promoting them to radio was.  So let’s see, he did enough to help Kelly and Daughtry song’s go top ten on HAC, and Kelly’s top 15 on pop.  Of course Archie’s didn’t go anywhere.  But, I don’t think we can blame him for Cook’s, since Riccitelli wasn’t in charge of everybody at RCA at that point.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    Yes it is a business but it is also politics behind the scenes. Step out of the Idol bubble and read what other MAJOR artists say and complain about what goes on with the labels. Joe has a little more power now with a more important bigger role with RCA. He will push whoever he wants to push ;

  • Anonymous

    Now, this is an excellent point! Joe didn’t do so well with The Truth or AWM, did he? One was a terrible choice for a second single and the other was just thrown to radio! Where was Mr. Radio then?

    He hasn’t exactly worked magic with Cook’s era and Daughtry’s era is the worst out of three since this “magician of radio” took over! MKIA struggled as far as lead off singles from KC go. Kelly was lucky because she was…Kelly Clarkson. The album is still underperforming.

    Daughtry, Cook, Kelly and Adams albums all came out 6 months past the date they should have come out. We are STILL waiting to hear from Kris, who Joe is supposed to LOVE. RCA seems to be a mess at this point and time.

  • Tess

    One of the very few successful artists who are churning out music on an assembly line is Rihanna….and she does nothing more than sing other people’s tunes and doesn’t seem to care much about what she sings as long as those pay checks keep on coming.  Other than her we have little empirical proof that her system works over the long haul.  An assembly line approach for Idols could very well result in them releasing even worse material the second time around.  Even though many consider touring as catering to a fan base (which it tends to be) it is also a way of promoting material outside of a singer’s home base.  

    Very few artists seem to make it if they don’t tour and tour often (unless you are SuBo…and who would pay good money to see her in person).  If touring didn’t help promote a brand then Idol and Glee, etc. wouldn’t waste their money doing it.

    Part of the problem for Idols doesn’t seem to be about the speediness of their album releases…but more about the fact that they haven’t established who they are as an entertainer the first time around.  Idols who have been able to do that and have stayed current are still popular today (with a hiccup every now and again).

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I was referring to Fuller’s new entertainment company XIX, not 19M.  No one knows if Fuller gave Adam the option of coming to his new company.  As I understand it, once Fuller established his new company (and decided which Idols to retain), the remaining Idols were left with 19M by default.  I can understand Adam leaving 19M, but not Fuller (if he was given the option of staying with him).  It’s all conjecture at this point, however.

  • Tess

    Why would Adam stay with Fuller when the man’s focus is primarily on his Elvis catologue and on the Beckhams and he doesn’t have much history with managing american pop stars outside of the Idol sphere.  Personally I don’t think the sun rises and sets in Fuller.  And again, Fuller isn’t going to turn his back on Adam who was a proven cash cow during era 1….that would just be economic stupidity….I am sure his firm approached Adam, what would be the point in not doing so.

    ETA: by the way the Idol contracts were with 19m, not Fuller and when Fuller sold the company the idols were not free to leave with him. Once the contract for the Idols had expired with 19 and Fuller set up XIX then they could move as I believe Carrie and Cook did.

  • Anonymous

    But if you are happy with your favorite releasing one album and then fading away …     

    Happy? No. But that is what happens with most artist today outside of the Idol bubble. A friend of mine who had an album or two produced and sold, told me that the average music recording career spotlight is 18 months, which in a way supports what you are saying. But the ugly truth is, Idol really isn’t about establishing long term careers, it’s about TV ratings and money. TPTB are not doing it out of the goodness of their heart.

  • Anonymous

    19 retained all their rights to the idols still under contract when Fuller left. Fuller did get the international 19 clients in the deal. Once the 19 contracts expired, the idols could sign with whomever like Carrie & Cook did going to XIX while Adam chose to go elsewhere.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    If you look at Fuller’s roster, it doesn’t appear to be necessarily based on money makers and he doesn’t need the dough.  Sure, it’s possible that Adam turned down Fuller, but I think that it’s also a possibility that Fuller realized that promoting Adam was going to be a big, time-consuming job, that he wouldn’t/couldn’t devote the time and resources to that and passed on continuing to manage him.  Again, no one knows what happened, and I disagree that it was such a certainty that Fuller wanted Adam to come to XIX.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Right, but Fuller was the one to ultimately decide who to sign.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    Daughtry, Cook, Kelly and Adams albums all came out 6 months past the
    date they should have come out. We are STILL waiting to hear from Kris,
    who Joe is supposed to LOVE. RCA seems to be a mess at this point and
    time. 

    Exactly. Toby has made it a point to go out of his way in the middle of him blogging about Adam to ask Joe if RCA is absolutely, without a doubt, swear to God on a stack of bibles that Kris is top priority and how much Joe LOVES Kris. Toby’s promise to Kris to make sure Adam fail (oops) Kris LLWD be a #1 on his radio station didn’t pan out. So we will see. My point is I wish Adam fans stop engaging with Toby and let him get his hits from artists fans he does support.

  • Anonymous

    To add to the conversation, unless you are Carrie or Kelly, I don’t think Sony is invested in the idols careers as much anymore.

  • Anonymous

    The expectation, whether it was from RCA, or Toby and his colleagues, was that Adam’s hardcore fans would put up some impressive numbers, especially the week after Christmas. The Taylor Swift/Civil Wars collaboration was released at the end of the week that Adam’s song was released, and in just two days, with no airplay, and just word of mouth on message boards and twitter, it sold more than 100,000 copies. The next week, the week after Christmas, still with no airplay, it sold another 100,000 copies. Just two or three weeks ago we saw Jason Mraz’s song shoot up the charts and sell over 100,000 copies on the back of his hardcore fans. So, this does happen for well established artists.

    You are correct, it does happen for well-established artists. Taylor Swift

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy
    But if you are happy with your favorite releasing one album and then fading away …    

    Happy? No. But that is what happens with most artist today outside of the Idol bubble

    Here’s an interesting article from the Guardian on extremely popular bands that had a substantial sales decline (80-90%) on the next album: When Bands Fall Off Cliffs. While it doesn’t get into how typical this is, it does show that this happens with non-Idol acts who have (temporarily) a ton of genre-specific cred. We’re talkin’ critics’ darlings like MGMT here…

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    I agree.Adam already said in one interview he wasn’t happy in the direction 19m was going with him. He felt his and 19m vision on where he wanted his career to go was not the same. Not in those exact words but you felt Adam wanted to move away from 19m. I wouldn’t hold by breath in him going back on Idol which is fine by me. Idol is no longer a platform for artists to get huge sales like they use to and I feel like Idols depend too much on Idol to keep their 15 mts fame going. It’s like without Idol or Fuller they can’t move past Idol. When he goes on “The Voice” and X-Factor like other artists do there will be no conflict. Since Adam isn’t a Idol favorite(at least not on the blogs) no one will miss him. lol. I much prefer Adam to go on X-factor with Paula is who I adore.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. These long turnarounds between the first and second album are killing the idols.Touring is a nice way to make money, but I really don’t think touring for so long helped either David or Adam.

  • Tess

    XIX is not a figure head company that is set up as a game by Simon Fuller.  It is an actively working management firm with lots of overhead and a staff to pay.  Simon can, of course, pick and choose who he wants to represent…but if he chooses to cherry pick those people it will eventually lead to the downfall of the company….just a matter of basic economics.  Besides…based on era 2 for Cookie you can’t convince me that Simon is the be all and end all of managers.  And, if he were, a lot more of the best and brightest would be beating down his door to engage his services…and based on his stable that doesn’t seem to be happening.

  • Anonymous

    I personally like the Rome wasn’t built in a day mantra myself.

    But the predictions of doom are par to the course with very little substantial proof and a whole lot of speculation, most times.  I’ll leave you all to it. :)

  • Tess

    Was that really the expectation of the industry or the wishful thinking of a fan base.  As an Adam fan I have no intention of buying singles.  I’ll wait for the album and buy it all in one full swoop…never have been a single buyer (or at least since my teenage days and the odd 45rpm)….I’m not one to buy things twice.

    ETA: Sorry…this shouldn’t have been a reply to Harlow but to the original poster. Boy this thread is moving fast.

  • Anonymous

    No one should have expected Adam to get the same sort of promo as he received for his first album. He was straight off of Idol then, which automatically gives you major promo if you finish in the Top 2, and then there was all the buzz about his sexuality, which made him unique since there are not a lot of out gay singers. But all that is old news more than 2 years down the road. He’s very talented for sure, but so are hundreds of other musicians. RCA & his management have other artists they have to promote as well — they can’t spend all their time & money on any one artist, no matter who it is.Although FYE and his singles had solid sales, they were not such huge hits as to make him into enough of a star on the level of Gaga, Jay-Z, Taylor Swift, or someone like that. So RCA & his management should be clued in that this second era is likely going to start slower than the 1st one did. Assuming they are clued into that fact, I doubt they are too worried yet.

    I agree and all of this is what worries me for Adam and Kris.

  • Anonymous

    I can defend him, because that wasn’t his decision. 

    by constantly saying things like this (things you can’t back up with facts, because you’re an obsessive idol fan like the rest of us, not an label insider), you undermine the credibility of your opinions

    anyway my only point was that little consistency in opinions regarding the same subjects would be nice

    i don’t want to get dragged in the debates about what label does or doesn’t, because the honest truth is we don’t know sh*t about any of that. We see the public numbers like adds and spins and downloads but that’s it.

    Anything besides that is pure speculation and i’m not gonna do that. Another things i’m not gonna do : blindly trust some DJ that he has insider info just because he spun Live like we’re dying like crazy 2 years ago. DJ’s have their angles too, js :)

    not to mention we know now he was wrong before (many times in fact)

  • iani

    Adam’s song just doesn’t have the proper hook, doesn’t fit the pop, pop-rock voice, it’s a song for Jason Derullo voice/style/tone-vibration  not for Adam, JMO. It’s not a bad song, for me it’s the chemistry of song/artist. Same it has happened to DC, no chemistry whosoever of lyrics, voice and tempo, his deep voice it’s not for itzy-bitzy sound, his first and last songs from his album are more fitted for the kind of voice he has and the artist he (DC) is, it’s what I think.

  • Anonymous

    “”Better than I know myself” is just not a good song so if people are disappointed in sales, it’s because the song is not that good.  I think if Adam offered up a great song, the public would bite.  Kelly has already sold half a million of “Stronger” and it goes to radio just this week so I don’t think that in itself can be blamed for lack of sales.  Kelly has a great song, that’s why it is selling.”I like BTIKM so much better than Kelly’s MKIA. Sorry. Everybody knows how important the radio spins are to any new songs. Did he get U.S. radio support? Obviously not. Kelly has no problem getting tons airplays, which obviously helped her sells. This is something I don’t understand. Why? BTIKM is so also a better song than WWFM and they supported that song. Why not this one? I just don’t get it! Someone may have the answer for me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AGWO435FL6UN2ICRVTFLWRJZSA Lexie

    Thanks, windmills!  And Scotty got the tweet of the week and a sidebar:)  Which means nothing except his name is appearing again and again…

    I also wonder what you think of Scotty performing TTWG on the tv show Hart of Dixie in April–do you think they’ll stick with the song for that long? 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    XIX is not a figure head company that is set up as a game by Simon
    Fuller.  It is an actively working management firm with lots of overhead
    and a staff to pay.

    Actually, it’s far more than just a management company.

    Simon can, of course, pick and choose who he wants
    to represent…but if he chooses to cherry pick those people it will
    eventually lead to the downfall of the company….just a matter of basic
    economics. 

    I’m influenced in my thinking by an interview that Fuller gave where he pretty much indicated that he was going to be more selective in who he decides to manage when it comes to Idols.

    How about the relationship between your management company, 19 Entertainment, and the show’s contestants. How has that evolved?

    Contractually we have options on all of the contestants. That’s always
    been the case. But at this point, it doesn’t mean I will always option
    those rights. It has to feel right to me. I have to feel there is a
    relationship there. We will always have the winner signed to 19, so
    we’ll have the recording rights. But as for the management, that is much
    more of a human element. I feel more emotional about these things now
    than I ever did before. I want everyone to be focused and excited. I
    haven’t quite got it in me to push water uphill anymore.

    http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/news/e3i322daa247a5902fc7948fd1228f28ead

    Besides…based on era 2 for Cookie you can’t convince me
    that Simon is the be all and end all of managers.

    I think that Cook signed with XIX/Fuller after his album was released (at
    least after the promotion), so that could have been 19M rather than
    Fuller.

    And, if he were, a
    lot more of the best and brightest would be beating down his door to
    engage his services…and based on his stable that doesn’t seem to be
    happening.

    lol  I don’t think that anyone can assume who Fuller has turned down or who has approached him based on his current roster.

    I agree that Fuller may not be the best person to manage Adam, and he
    may realize that too since he’s into a lot of big projects (like Q’Viva with JLo/MA), so passed on him/was a mutual decision to part ways.  Adam’s promotion is more than
    just booking the usual television shows in the U.S., since it seems like
    they are going for a worldwide, coordinated launch, and even at the start of Idol, Fulller wasn’t the most hands on person when it came to management.

  • Anonymous

    Re: Toby, I do think he likes his blog hits like everyone else (which isn’t necessarily a strike against him in my mind but ymmv) but on the other hand, the guy is a long-standing CHR DJ in a major market & also has a syndicated show.  He certainly does have insider knowledge, moreso than fans do who don’t get to have dinner or phone conversations with label reps, so to just dismiss him as knowing no more than Idol fans do doesn’t make any sense.  You can’t think he’s right when he’s talking up your favorite artist & then tear him down when he says something you don’t want to hear.

    I think Toby is a perfect example of fans pestering radio PDs & DJs on twitter until they say something nice about your favorite just to get fans off their backs. Then, when whatever they said to praise the Idol doesn’t result in the song being added or played enough or at the right times, they suddenly get attacked on twitter or discredited.  If I were a DJ, I would probably decide against engaging fan groups on twitter.  Nothing good usually comes from it.

    Re: the song itself. It’s an HAC song, it’s always been an HAC song, so to expect it to be embraced by CHR immediately is probably unrealistic. The song will have to perform like a Train song on HAC in order to get attention from Pop. Altho Train is having no problem at the moment getting their song picked up on Pop, so maybe they are no longer a good example.

  • Valentin432

    I know this isn’t really about her, but I can’t agree with your overall perspective for the Stronger era.

    MKIA spent 6 weeks at the top of the HAC chart, it peaked 11 on pop and 10 on the HOT 100 chart, sold 1.15M and probably close to 1.2 when the update comes this week.

    WDKY is smashing with booming radio updates and is closing on the n°1 spot on overall itunes chart.

    The album will cross 500k this or next week and was in the top 15HDD last week (we’ll see how it goes this week) with good momentum. It’s far from done, so I genuinely have no idea wheter it will sell more or less than her two previous albums which would be a performance because album sales are down since the last era. No this isn’t Breakaway but that isn’t a realistic expectation for any artist.

    Maybee I’m wearing rose colored glasses, but I’m not seeing RCA fumbling on this one.

  • Anonymous

    Reminder:

    Deleting posts now and very close to banning one particular person. If you are new here read my guidelines. You CAN’T attack, question the motives of, or criticize fellow posters here.

    http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-appearances/guidelines

  • Anonymous

    By the way, I can’t believe this post has been hijacked by talk of an album that hasn’t even been released yet.

  • Anonymous

    Very few artists seem to make it if they don’t tour and tour often (unless you are SuBo…and who would pay good money to see her in person).  If touring didn’t help promote a brand then Idol and Glee, etc. wouldn’t waste their money doing it.  

    The problem is that the idol alums tend to tour before they become a brand.  In a way, their tours are just a continuation of the AI tour.  They are touring as reality show contestants, and not recording artists.  It makes more sense to build the brand first, and then tour on the back of several singles.

  • Anonymous

    I know, and I (basically) agree with you. I’ve posted many times on Kelly’s MKIA. Many of the fans were not happy with the slow sales and slow climb of MKIA to the top 10 on CHR. They expected a WDKY right out of the gate and then they expected for there to be a second single on the album with the potential of WDKY. They also expected much better numbers for her album during debut week and the weeks after that.

    Due to the slow start of MKIA(and the fact that it just barely made it to #10 on Pop and quickly dropped out), less than expected album sales, and even a cheaply made 2nd video:  I will stick to my opinion that RCA is “fumbling the ball to a certain extent” with this era. I do believe that Kelly can and has turned things around and she might just end up with a platinum selling era due to the fact that she is KELLY CLARKSON and on the strength of her second song.

  • Anonymous

    Why even compare Adam to these artists? 

    I never compared Adam to them. My point was that there are established artists who can sell songs without any promo other than word of mouth and social media.  As I said, I wasn’t surprised by Adam’s total, and I actually thought that it was good, even if it wasn’t a gaudy enough number for RCA to use in promoting the song.  

    I will say that there are some people who like to put Adam in the same category as these people, and I think that’s why Toby Knapp brought up this particular topic.  It’s great to use hyperbole when promoting someone, but then that person has to live up to those expectations, because when they don’t, it’s magnified, no matter how well they do.

  • Anonymous

    Well, here is the latest form Toby Knapp:

    toby knapp @tkradio@Hanna *** just heard that major push on al coming starting tomorrow by some industry-based sites… here comes the ramp up!

    Toby really is all over the place, isn’t he? I appreciate his enthusiasm for both Adam and Kris, but I don’t trust much of what he says. Not because I believe he is being deceitful, he seems very ADD…or something. He could be one of those people who gets about half of everything right. lol

  • Tess

    I look at touring under many different umbrellas.  One, as a Thank You to fans who have supported an Artist, Two, as a money making venture (strike while the iron is hot), Three, as an opener to get some recognition from radio sponsors and Four, as a way to discover what really sells an artist as far as style and content (but the artist has to be willing to change up their act frequently and try different covers….if you can’t sing this is a totally iffy proposition).  And touring isn’t necessarily a 24/7 proposition….numerous one offs can be considered touring for a newbie especially when its fairs, and festivals, and joint performances.

    I don’t think there is a good answer or a proven answer to how best keep an Idolette moving forward.  Historically we know that bubblettes are notorious for moving on quickly especially as each new season winds up….I just don’t think there is anyway to ensure that someone can keep people interested.  Rapid succession albums can be just as iffy as live performances.  

  • Anonymous

    He is so full of shit.

    My personal opinion.

  • Dakota01

    I think Toby is just trying to redeem himself for his unprofessionalism.
     
     

  • TurkeyIdol

    Oh Noooooooooooo……BTIKM has already failed and it just went for Adds, and the video hasn’t even come out yet.  Well at least Adam still has his side backup job with Queen!!! :)

    LOL the Idol fandom can be OTT and Ridiculous at times!

  • Anonymous

    Carrie can sell a boatload of singles, which is amazing, since country artists usually aren’t big in that area.  What Carrie has done is make a huge impact in her genre, which is why she can get people to buy her music, even before it hits radio.  Adam hasn’t made that impact yet, so I wouldn’t expect the same things from him.

    I wasn’t just talking about fans talking someone up.  This goes back to what I mentioned earlier about celebrity.  Some artists create an image, and that’s good.  In the case of both Kellie and Adam it has, and will continue to get them a lot of media attention, which is a good thing.  But, the downside is that people expect them to keep that image up, and when they do something that doesn’t fit that image, people have a tendency to notice more.

    I don’t think that Toby is being all over the map.  One day he mentioned the less than expected single sales, and now he’s talking about Adam’s people amping up his promotion.  I don’t see how that’s contradictory. 

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    You can’t think he’s right when he’s talking up your favorite artist
    & then tear him down when he says something you don’t want to hear.

    ^^^^There are a few Adam fans who pander to him but they are the same fans who pander to anyone that even mentions Adam name but the majority of the fans have never trusted him from day one and going back to era 1. We were just waiting to see how long it would take for his BS to surface.

    He is so full of shit.
    My personal opinion.

    ^^^When you look up the word douchebag his face is right there. He has always given me the creeps.

  • Anonymous

    I was trying hard to be supportive and not play the “Oh dear, RCA picked the wrong single” game, but here I go.  I think BTIKM is an OK song and it is obvious  that Adam sees himslelf in the lyrics, but it is not a spectacular song.  He needed a a OMG that is so fabulous song to jump start this era.  He is lucky that,if the raves we heard from listening parties can be believed, there are some fantastic cuts on the album.  I hope that RCA is willing to support a single change like they did the first era if need be.  I have not given up hope for BTIKM as it is still early.

  • Anonymous

    One, as a Thank You to fans who have supported an Artist

    At the point that they usually go on tour, their fanbase consists entirely of American Idol fans.  People who may or may not like the music that they release, and who, even if they don’t realize it, still see the alums as characters from a tv show.  

    Saving the tour until the alums have released a few single will give them a better opportunity to attract more people to the shows, as well as show industry insiders that they aren’t just trying to make a buck off  of their AI fame.

    Two, as a money making venture (strike while the iron is hot) 

    Are they really striking while it’s hot?  This is a period where they are more likely to get opportunities to appear on radio and television shows, as well as promote their music to a mass audience.  This is when people’s attention is likely to be on their music, and connect with them with the songs.  But, instead they are out on a long tour, where it may be harder to connect with people at radio stations, as well as make appearances in front of a larger audience.

    One offs and radio shows are a better idea for this period, it will give the alums a better opportunity to promote their singles, and to make sure that they don’t fade out of the public eye.

  • lorismile

    Hey Adam’s single can still be the little song that could.

    If it isn’t, well we’ve been done that road before and things turned out okay. :)

    I don’t put any faith into that Toby dude.

  • windmills

    Kellie Pickler Itunes update:

    Itunes Albums:
    8. 100 Proof (#2 Country)

    Itunes Songs:
    330. Tough (album version)
    456. 100 Proof
    712. The Letter (To Daddy)
    904. Tough (single version)
    1010. Mother’s Day

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    He needed a a OMG that is so fabulous song to jump start this era.  He
    is lucky that,if the raves we heard from listening parties can be
    believed, there are some fantastic cuts on the album.

    This FYE 2.0. BTIKM is moving up nicely internationally and will probably do well when the video comes out. Radio there don’t have set rules to go by and it is why New Zealand got 6 singles last time. Adam and his people seem to want to appeal more to mainstream America and why we are getting a more toned down Adam. It makes me shudder and my blood boil because I hope his people don’t plan to dilute Adam. Although I love his new look, I had no issue with his more campy theatrical look because to me he is not only an artist but a performer. With that said even with the more tone down look RCA still feels like they have to spoon feed Adam to America.  When we got the in your face FYE single every one cried too much to soon Adam and we got palatable WWFM. Now everyone wants in your face Adam.

  • Anonymous

    There’s only one thing I’m sure on, fans should not engage or challenge PDs.  Nothing good comes of it.  It’s one thing for Gaga’s monsters or whatever, established artists have tons of bat shit cray fans that pd’s probably roll their eyes at, but they are large enough to just ignore that stuff.  Idols and their fans start off with the eye roll and fans can turn off a PD. Leave that stuff to the labels.

    I do think RCA will focus more internationally for Adam.  Hey, I’m fine with that, if that is where they feel the audience is for him.  Draw a horse to water and all that.

    As for timing of albums, these kids don’t get many chances.  I applaud them for doing what they feel is best for them as an artist.  Whether it be James’s 80s retro style, Crystal’s folk stuff, Adam’s dance music, Cook’s TLM was undeniably Cookie, Daughtry does his thing one hand tied behind his back. I don’t know a darn thing about country so I can’t speak to Kellie, except she’s adorbs on Ellen. Now doesn’t mean I like what they chose to do or buy it, but gotta love the ol college try.

    And I don’t think they should tweet their singles choices either. Never a good idea whether you agree with the label or not.

    Now Adam seems to have some other choices for singles, based on early press, so it will be interesting to see what RCA chooses to do.

  • Joyed

    It is too soon in the song cycle for me to have any thoughts about BTIKM.  There are lots of things that can impact a song, and the song has only just begun its cycle.  I can’t wait to watch its full journey.

    But, instead they are out on a long tour, where it may be harder to
    connect with people at radio stations, as well as make appearances in
    front of a larger audience.

    I would actually think a tour helps with connecting with radio stations – the tour funds their travel around the country to have in-person chats and concerts with different radio stations.  Also, artists can take breaks from the tour to do TV appearances, etc – so touring is not a barrier to other opportunities.  Plus, if the single on the radio is doing its job, it is encouraging people to check you out in concert.I can see why some people think not putting out new product quickly enough can damage careers but I can’t see why not touring is a good idea.  Not touring means forgoing your best opportunity to make money – there are no guarantees in the music industry.  They can’t cross their fingers and say I’ll tour next time when I’m bigger – there may never be a next time.  I’m a believer in striking while the iron is hot.Besides, some artists build their reputation through touring and then break through, so it’s not like touring doesn’t have any role in career development.(This anti-touring attitude that comes up every season baffles me, to be honest)

  • Tess

    Actually (and since I don’t fan Cookie I can’t speak to what he did) Adam did mingle some festivals and fairs with his tour and he did spend a lot of time interviewing at radio stations.  He also formed a new fan base by touring Internationally….again expanding his tour with some big one-offs.  He also did TV and radio gigs.  I don’t know if a quickie turn around album would have helped him ’cause I think it took him some time to channel himself into the sound he really wants to create.  I have no idea what era 2 will be for Adam but I don’t think that changing up what was his game plan would have been beneficial for him.  Just my opinion. 

  • Nele621

    Interesting that the boys win idol, but it’s the girls who seem to be more successful in the long haul. Didn’t Daughtry’s two singles flop from his latest album, which will not likely even get close to platinum. Cook’s two singles also flopped along with his latest album. Now Adam’s first single from his latest album seems to be flopping, and who knows how his album will sell. Are all three boys (Daughtry, Cook & Adam) having trouble getting radio to spin their music?

    Is there any concern for Kris? I’m holding my breath.

  • Anonymous

    I really don’t worry about Adam at all.  I admit ,after listening to the snippet we first got, I wasn’t sure but the whole song is great and it is getting stellar reviews across the board.  It may be getting a slow start but it hasn’t been out long and unless you’re Katy Perry or Rhianna etc.. these things take time.  As far as the DJ goes, he probably has very little say in what is played since that is the PD’s job.  If Z100 gets on board (and I’m sure they will)the song will take off like gangbusters :)

    Now Kris is a different story.  I angst about him and he doesn’t even have any music out. LOL!

  • Anonymous

    I would actually think a tour helps with connecting with radio stations – the tour funds their travel around the country to have in-person chats and concerts with different radio stations.  Also, artists can take breaks from the tour to do TV appearances, etc – so touring is not a barrier to other opportunities.

    Co-signed.  When do most AI types go on tour?  February or March after the drop, because that’s when touring picks up again.  It is not a key time for radio station concerts (with the exception of St. Patrick’s Day) because most of them did their Jingle Ball-type events in the winter.  Carve out a few days for a TV appearance or two, and it seems like touring promotes the singles, not the reverse.

    I think the much larger lesson to be taken from both Cook and Lambert is that it’s important to build a strong relationship with a producer or producers who will complement the artist’s strengths.  If Cook had had another shot with Cavallo, or if Lambert hadn’t felt the need to work as an executive producer to enforce his vision, I think things would have been out much faster regardless of whether or not they toured an extra month or so in that first year.

  • Jes Merrill

    When will they release a new single for Kellie?

  • Anonymous

    Because Jordan has done so well herself, and Crystal and Lauren too?  I think Daughtry will be fine, even if he isn’t doing his usual numbers, and it is honestly too early to decide anything about Adam, one way or another. At any rate, none of the idols are guaranteed a future.  Just like all other singers out there.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I’m not sure that all the radio promo Adam did while he was touring helps him now. He toured in 2010, now it’s 2012. It’s been more than a year since then. It would help him if he had a new single to push while he was on tour.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    CHART DATE: 01/23/2012
    LAST UPDATE: 01/24/2012 14:07:54
    NOW IN: FINAL

    LW TW artist/album label power index % change
    1 1 ADELE XL/COLUMBIA 96,285 -10%
    21

    — 2 KIDZ BOP KIDS RAZOR & TIE 56,004–
    KIDZ BOP 21
    4 3 DRAKE YM/CM/UNIVERSAL REPUBLIC 29,673 -8%
    TAKE CARE
    3 4 BLACK KEYS NONESUCH 28,097 -18%
    EL CAMINO
    7 5 RIHANNA DEF JAM/IDJ 19,701 -14%
    TALK THAT TALK
    6 6 YOUNG JEEZY DEF JAM/IDJ 18,913 -19%
    TM 103: HUSTLER AMBITION
    9 7 COLDPLAY CAPITOL/EMI 18,704 -1%
    MYLO XYLOTO
    12 8 TOBY KEITH SHOW DOG 17,734 +13%
    CLANCY’S TAVERN
    — 9 ATTACK ATTACK! RISE 17,520–
    THIS MEANS WAR
    17 10 LMFAO INTERSCOPE 16,823 +19%
    SORRY FOR PARTY ROCKING

    11 14 KELLY CLARKSON 19/RCA 14,940 -10%
    STRONGER

    15 15 ADELE XL/COLUMBIA 14,898 0%
    19

    23 21 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 12,042 -9%
    MY KINDA PARTY

    34 29 SCOTTY MCCREERY MERC NASH/19/INTERSCOPE 10,318 -1%
    CLEAR AS DAY

    35 35 MAROON 5 A&M/OCTONE 9,139 -2%
    HANDS ALL OVER

    36 39 DAUGHTRY 19/RCA 8,109 -12%
    BREAK THE SPELL

    –50 GOTYE UNIVERSAL REPUBLIC 6,694–
    MAKING MIRRORS

    HDD Sales Chart

  • Tess

    So only with the Paisley tour and the radio promo that the tour has led to Scotty is staying even in his sales without doing anything else.  For this time of year I think that is pretty damn good.  Isn’t he pushing 880k about now?

  • Anonymous

    If anything, I think his delay was from change in direction. Seems what he worked on early in the process got scrapped and most everything post-Pharrell is the new direction that they are going with.  

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I think they should tour if they can. You have to build your case as a touring act as well as a recording act. The two revenue streams build off each other, but they are not so interdependent that touring will take care of itself. I say strike while the iron is hot on all fronts. Besides, supporting an album for the first year of its release is not an Idol-only concept… I think many acts do that. Touring is part of that plan.

    That said, I can see the case for shortening the time spent on the road and/or getting started on the next record sooner rather than later for Idols, since the attention focused on them in short-lived and it is in thier best interest to do everything they can to keep it going.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    Yes.  Actually, if you take out today’s estimates, he’s a few hundred in change from being at 880K.  Today’s estimate (if it holds), will take CAD to being an estimated 889.5K or if we want to make it look at little better, a rounded 890K. :)

  • Nele621

    I was reading the headlines thread where someone posted a comment from a Shannon Steele, and she said the “actual critics” of Adam’s album were all bad. Who are the “actual critics”? The program directors? DJs?

  • windmills

    Jes Merrill: When will they release a new single for Kellie?

    Sony’s promoting 100 Proof as a single to secondary markets and as posted in Headlines and earlier in this thread, Gary Overton (head of Sony) said the plan is to eventually promote that song to the primary markets that make up the main Billboard and Mediabase charts. He didn’t say when but on the Billboard Activator charts 100 Proof is at #37 and doing well. I think they’re waiting because of Kellie’s struggles with her last couple of singles at country radio. Maybe they’re hoping she’ll get some momentum from how the album’s being received and country radio will be more receptive.

  • Anonymous

    Go Kellie!

  • Anonymous

    I think the much larger lesson to be taken from both Cook and Lambert is that it’s important to build a strong relationship with a producer or producers who will complement the artist’s strengths. If Cook had had another shot with Cavallo, or if Lambert hadn’t felt the need to work as an
    executive producer to enforce his vision, I think things would have been out
    much faster regardless of whether or not they toured an extra month or so
    in that first year

    Kelly’s and Daughtry’s cds also came out 6 months later than expected. Didn’t Daughtry go with the same producer he has always used? Was Kelly having issues? I thought her cd was finished months before they released it.

    What is going on with Kris and his album delay? He had problems even finding a producer! I always thought that had something to do with RCA being behind schedule and not something to do with Kris being behind.

  • Anonymous

    I think she’s referring to the single.

  • Nele621

    Oh sorry. So they all hate BTIKM? And who are they? PD’s and DJs?

  • Anonymous

    Kelly’s and Daughtry’s cds also came out 6 months later than expected. Didn’t Daughtry go with the same producer he has always used? Was Kelly having issues? I thought her cd was finished months before they released it.

    I don’t see how BTS was out “6 months later” than expected.

    LTT:  July 2009
    BTS:  November 2011

    From an album with three singles with at least decent radio play, 2.33 years seems totally reasonable, especially since the November release got holiday sales.

    Stronger was probably held back to try and keep it out of the way of Gaga, Beyonce, Adele, et al.  We can argue about the merits of that strategy long-term, but in the meantime, it seems to have worked out at least reasonably well for her.

    I’m not saying production is the only reason for album delays.  There are many.  But I do think it often means more to the process than another month or so of touring before heading back to the studio.

  • justshootme

    As for the Toby dude, yeah he’s annoying, but he’s syndicated on my East Podunk radio station, and I heard BTIKM on his show today.  IRL.  So he IS playing it.  And the station’s website has an article up today on the cover with a stream of the song.  So for just an average radio listener, who isn’t following every tiny shift in the breeze, things would seem to be progressing nicely.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AGWO435FL6UN2ICRVTFLWRJZSA Lexie

    Thanks, Pam!  I know that HDD site has been giving you fits:) 

    I’m actually happy with Scotty’s numbers…a 1% drop is great at this time of year from what I understand.  And holding as #6 country album so far…Steady as she goes…

  • Anonymous

    Daughtry’s and Kelly’s albums were held back longer than the usual two-year turn around that most fans expect. BTS was four months past the two year date, just like Trespassing will be. Kelly’s cd was 7 months past the two year time frame and we have no idea why it was held back. We do know that Kelly was fairly frustrated with the delay and had been saying for months that the album was finished.

    Adele’s cd came out months before and SLY was #1 why MKIA was at #10-#17. Adele still has a single on the top of the charts that is competing with Kelly’s latest single at this exact time and she is still kicking everyone’s ass on the album charts! If RCA held the album back to avoid competition with Adele, they didn’t do a very good job. They should have held it back a year longer! There is always a diva with a new release on the horizon, it’s impossible to avoid all of them.

  • Anonymous

    What is going on with Kris and his album delay? He had problems even finding a producer! I always thought that had something to do with RCA being behind schedule and not something to do with Kris being behind.

    Where did you read that he was having problems finding a producer?  I recall a tweet where he said that he was finished writing, and looking for a producer, but never one where he said that he was having trouble finding one.

    The release date for his album was pushed back for the same reasons as everyone else’s, the regime change at RCA.  I don’t think that had anything to do with a producer.

  • Anonymous

    There is always a diva with a new release on the horizon, it’s impossible to avoid all of them.

    It is, however, possible to avoid a season where three or four of them are promoting fairly new albums at the exact same time.  Which is what they did by holding it until the fall.

    And like I said, I don’t see where 4 months for BTS wasn’t a considered attempt to a) get holiday sales and b) fit Daughtry’s slightly darker sound to the autumn and winter, where it plays better. 

    Just because fans want albums every 24 months doesn’t mean that said schedule is in the best interest of the artist long-term.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I think Adele, Britney Spears, Lady GaGa and Beyonce all released their album in the first half of 2011. Maybe I forgot someone … Well, Katy Perry and Rihanna were smashing on the radio at the time too. So it was pretty crowded with female popish releases.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CNA7OAJHY3SZJMD7A7GX45CTJE Funke

    This is just Adam Lambert first era all over again. Dear Universe, let it end as good as his first era and I wouldn’t say no to better than that either.
     
    I thought I have read it that Kelly sold her opening no. because her song was already charting on the radio. I am confused reading here that she sold it based on word of mouth only.
     
    Anyway, lucky lady. The pds seem to like her + she is an established artist. Good for her.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think these push backs have anything to do with producers either. Go reread my post and the post I was responding to.

    It took Kris a while to find a producer or producers. He had a couple of interviews or statements where he said he was “still looking for a producer”. I assumed it had something to do with the general lack of organiztion at RCA. Kris’ goal was to have an album out by Christmas and he was writing like crazy and aggressively working towards that goal. The delay in finding a producer so he could do the final steps had to have been a delay on RCA’s part, not Kris’. He was doing all he could do to meet his goal!
    Once again, I don’t think this is the reason for the delay past two years that fans like to hope for.

    And like I said, I don’t see where 4 months for BTS wasn’t a considered attempt to a) get holiday sales and b) fit Daughtry’s slightly darker sound to the autumn and winter, where it plays better.

    It’s not. No more than Trespassing is late due to problems with Adam or producer problems!
    Kelly still could have released in the summer.

  • newinNM

    Interesting thread today, I enjoy reading when people (for the most part) simply state their opinions as respectively as possible. 
    I’m a big Adam fan, I really like the song, yes I’m a little disappointed in the radio adds, but its early we’ll see what happens with the video, I’m not ready to give up on this song just yet.  Who knows what tomorrow will bring!

    As for touring or getting the second album out sooner, people tour to make money, albums are expensive to make and the idol sophomore slump is very real.  Adam was rumored to make 6 million in 2010 most from his tour, I’m sure David C made just as much for his never ending tour (as I’ve heard it called).  As they say a bird in the hand, if your second album doesn’t do well it’s easier to take a step back and regroup if you don’t have to worry about making rent!

    I love Stronger that song really gets stuck in my head, go Kelly!!!

  • Anonymous

    Where did you get that Kris had problems finding a producer?  Is seems they took their time to find the right producer(s) that fit Kris and his vision for the cd.  They seemed to give potential producers tracks and send them off to see what they could do with them before selecting the final set. Several of the producers actually stated that they did not just do simple demos with Kris but fullly produced songs. I do agree that the delay was likely due to a change in direction.

  • mmb

    Fwiw( maybe nothing) it looks like the chr adds date for btikm probably is next week, not this week as indicated by fmqb. 1) Toby Knapp ( like him or loathe him) tweeter that this was not the songs impact week, and 2) there are certain stations that add every song on it’s adds date ( they may never play it, or play it only a few times, but they add it). None of these stations added btikm. If btikm wasn’t added to any of these stations then it probably isn’t it’s adds date. Ymmv.

  • Anonymous

    HDD FINAL numbers are in….I’ve only posted Scotty

    34 29 SCOTTY MCCREERY MERC NASH/19/INTERSCOPE 10,318 -1%
    CLEAR AS DAY

  • fuzzywuzzy

    HDD estimates:

    Stronger:  week ending January 15:  16,542, #11
                   week ending January 22:  14,940, #14

    Clear as Day:  week ending January 15:  10,404, #34
                         week ending January 22:  10,318, #29

    Break the Spell:  week ending January 15:  9,191, #36                          week ending January 22:  8,109, #39

    Soundscan sales:

    Stronger:  week ending January 15:  15,926, #14

    Clear as Day: week ending January 15: 9,908, #34

    Break the Spell:  week ending January 15:  8,897, #36

    http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=gmn&thread=113201&page=1#3691513

  • Anonymous

    I think it’s more likely that the adds date was moved up, but whatever RCA was doing to promote the song to Pop (and based on yesterday, HAC too) needed to be altered.  Toby tweeted that there is a big push starting tomorrow, which will probably involve promises being made to PDs, so we might be looking at a do over, and a lot of adds on both formats next week.

  • Anonymous

    Can you remember where he said that there was a delay in finding a producer?  Kris, like a lot of acts, didn’t work with a producer during the writing process.   When he was finished he started looking for one, but when that started happening there was no way he was going to have an album out by the end of the year, whether he had a producer or not.  Besides, the producers that he was testing out, right after the writing process, were the same ones who he recorded demos with, so there was no need to be held up by any actual searching.

  • Anonymous

    See my earlier post.

    I think the delay was the same reason for Cook, Adam, Daughtry, Kelly and now Kris: RCA doesn’t have its effing act together! As a fan of everyone I just listed, they all have been affected in some way.

    My thoughts on the delays and RCA are not a diss to a single one of the Idols listed above. Every single one of them are extremely talented artists who did their part on their end!

    However, I do have ~feelings towards RCA! ;) 

  • Anonymous

    See my post many of Kris’ co-writers were also producers. Including Hodges & Ben Charles just to name two.

  • newinNM

    YEA!!! DO OVER!  I’ll take it, come on little song that might! 

  • Anonymous

    We all have our favorite performers and when people don’t particularly like them, we can’t understand why they can’t see what we see.  Then if they don’t have the success that we think they should have we think of excuses why they haven’t…no airplay, no promotion, poor timing of the release, they took to long to get their album out, etc.  The best singers do not always become the big stars or big sellers, so just enjoy your favorite and hope that he/she continues to put music out there.

  • Anonymous

    We are supposedly getting a (tentative) album release date for Kris tomorrow…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    Thank you!  :)

  • Anonymous

    So… all formats have reported.
    Only one new add from Canada-Hot AC popped up for Adam since yesterday.
    Which means he got 8 adds this week.

    Adam (8): 1 Top 40, 4 Hot AC, 3 Canada-Hot AC.

  • Anonymous

    Even though it may do better next week, for this week BTIKM received one pop add.  RCA may have to promise pop PDs in studio visits by Adam, as well as phone calls from Britney, Chris Brown, Ke$ha and a couple of their other artists to get them to add this song.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CNA7OAJHY3SZJMD7A7GX45CTJE Funke

    Exactly this! This same guy that has been deceiving fan, promising them he had some surprises for them as he was going to play the song and never does it, but tricks them to his online streams?.

    No one can convince me that is not someone that is a major douche and has a bit of agenda, apart from being very unprofessional.

    Sometimes, I wish Adam should publicly tell his fans to stop pandering to his manipulations. Not that his station even supported him the first era. For some of Adam’s fans to make him into some kind of demi god right now is a little more than strange.

  • http://twitter.com/lufflyness Jenna

    I know RCA didn’t have a chairman for a while which I assumed was the reason for Kelly’s delays and I’m sure many others… Barry Weiss I think left in March 2011 and his replacement (don’t know his name) didn’t start working until July/August when a lot of focus was immediately put into absorbing Jive.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly this! This same guy that has been deceiving fan, promising them he had some surprises for them as he was going to play the song and never does it, but tricks them to his online streams?.

    He’s syndicated on multiple stations, but not all of them are going to air every song that he plays.  And it’s not totally his decision, even if he is the co-PD.  He’s in a top ten market, and works for a company that keeps a tight grip on their stations’ playlists.   Clear Channel isn’t going to give spins away to anybody, especially not someone who hasn’t made a greater impact.  

    I will admit that Toby probably takes some pleasure in knowing that not every fan realizes that the show is syndicated, or that he just can’t play any song that he or they want.

  • Anonymous

    OH i am sure he does.  His little “oh if you like us on FB we will play the song thing” was pretty obviously he loves to screw with fans. lol

    Instead of lying to fans on twitter I would have rather he just said in the first place that it wasn’t up to him to play the song.  Instead to waited till he got asked for traffic on their FB page as well as his blog poll.  Then told them that sorry he couldn’t actually play the song like he said his boss said no. lol really the guy is pretty transparent. But this is also why I ignore radio Dj’s on twitter

    Hell my local stations don’t even interact with fans on twitter not like other stations do

  • Anonymous

    lol i don’t think it’s adam fans who are still hung up onto his every word ;) (despite his not so subtle trolling the fandom for hits for months)

  • Anonymous

    I am wondering if the info we got a couple of weeks ago was backwards.  Instead of the pop date moving to this week, the HAC date was moving to next week. 

    Now, next week if we can still count all of Adam’s adds on one hand, well, what can you say. It is what it is.   

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UHPGJRMWP6PIBC7LA7SUPCOKTY josephp

    RCA just needs to hurry up ands send the cash to PD’s, or get them some nice surf n turf. only way songs get played right now tbqh.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    Adds (Monitored)

    Kelly (44)-WDKY (1 AC, 3 Canada-HAC, 3 Canada-CHR/Pop, 15 HAC, 22 CHR/Pop)

    Adam (8)-BTIKM (3 Canada-HAC, 4 HAC, 1 CHR/Pop)

    Daughtry (6)-CBTY (4 AC, 1 HAC, 1 Canada-Main AC)

    Kelly (5)-MKIA (4 AC, 1 HAC)

    Casey J (5)-LDCIAN (Country)

    J Hud f/Ne-Yo (3)-Think Like A Man (2 Urban, 1 Rhythmic)

    Lauren (3)-GP (Country)

    Ruben (3)-June 28th (I’m Single) (Urban AC)

    Clay (1)-BBML (AC)

    JHud (1)-IGT (Urban AC)

    Kellie (1)-100 Proof (Canada-Country)

    One Direction (1)-What Makes You Beautiful (Canada-CHR/Pop)

    Scotty (1)-TTWG (Canada-Country)

    Addboard

  • Anonymous

    Oh the ups and downs of being an Adam fan.  I have often felt his career was done for various reasons but low and behold things worked out for him and he kept moving forward.  This single/album launch will probably be fine in the end too.  I think the universe likes the man.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not. No more than Trespassing is late due to problems with Adam or producer problems

    They aren’t equivalent, though.

    1) LTT had singles with longer legs than FYE in the states (I’m aware that FYE spun out more singles abroad).
    2) Releasing in Q4 is a long-standing industry rationale for holding an album (RCA did it with Kings of Leon as well); releasing in Q1 is not. 
    3) Daughtry is rock, Lambert is pop.  

    I don’t think 4 months mattered very much to BTS; if anything, it helped goose sales.  It may not end up mattering to Trespassing either, but the parameters are different.  That’s the point I’m making.  

  • Mateja Praznik

    I’m always amazed looking at CHR TOP 40 chart. It’s incredible when you do the math and realize that #1 song gets 13+ spins on average from one station every day. The playlists must be very short and controlled. It’s hard to even call it radio, more like a free jukebox when you can always guess which song will get played next.

    Here in Slovenia, we don’t have radio formats. All stations play a mix of music from all genres and eras. At least you can call it radio, even though I don’t like that either. I grew up listening to a station that literally repeats the same old evergreens each day or so. To make things worse, it’s national radio channel.
    There are no stations that would play only current music or focus only on a certain genre. Some commercial stations might repeat the same song a couple of times per day and get criticized for it. People also complain that our radio stations are stuck in the 80s.

    I do think that having limited playlists and playing the same songs several times per day helps sell music, but 13 plays per day seems too extreme. I tried listening to some American radio stations over the internet a few days ago and it got boring fast. I just don’t understand why are these radio corporations doing this?

  • Anonymous

    whats the difference between HDD estimates and Soundscan? 

    is soundscan what actually happened?

  • Anonymous

    is soundscan what actually happened?

    Yes.  HDD surveys a select group of retailers, and comes up with an estimate.

  • breakdown

    I think artists tour for a variety of reasons. To please their fanbase for sure but they may also reach a new audience who may be impressed by live performances and therefore buy their music. There is also money in it. They don’t make much off of record sales, especially if they don’t have songwriting credits. There’s the instant gratification factor too. Most musicians live to perform.