With 47.18% of reports in, it’s “Country” vs Urban as the Swifter battles the Wiz for the top of the chart. Currently, Taylor Swift’s “RED” is in the lead with Wiz Khalifa’s “O.N.I.F.C.” not far behind. Coincidentally, NE-YO’s “R.E.D.” dangles at the bottom of the chart.

Rod Stewart continues to set the pace of the Christmas album of the year and is currently at 3rd. Michael Buble who had the Christmas album of the year last year is in the pole position at 4th. Lady A rounds out Christmas songs in the top 10 at 10th.

Ke$ha is currently debuting in 6th and is expected to finish with a relatively unremarkable 85-90K. Meh. I guess people are tiring of her speak-singing. Hopefully, program directors will soon follow suit. Speaking of people the program directors love, there is Rihanna, unapologeticaly in 7th. Alicia Keys, who was number one last week is currently in 9th.

One Direction tops the charts for reality show singers. Those money making rascals from the 7th season of the UK X-Factor have Simon dreaming of Emblem3 this Christmas instead of sugar plums. The latest Idol winner continues his third week in the top 10. Phil Phillips’ “World from the Side of the Moon” would normally expect to see a 40% range drop in its third week, but HDD is predicting a 11-17% drop (was 79K last week and they are predicting 65-70K)

Scotty McCreery’s Christmas album is at 21st, Carrie Underwood’s “Blown Away” is at 25th and Kelly Clarkson’s Greatest Hits are at 39. That makes for four Idol winners in the top 40. From BGT, we have Susan Boyle at 44th.

Blake Shelton’s Christmas album is in 12th, Adam Levine’s Maroon 5′s “Overexposed” is at 22nd, Cee Lo Green’s Christmas album is at 29th, and Christine Aguilera’s album is at 42nd. That makes for 4 voice judges in the top 50.

Now 44 is at 11 (features American Idol Kelly Clarkson, Canadian Idol Carly Rae Jepsen, Voice Judge Adam Levine and new American Idol judge Nicki Minaj).

CHART DATE: 12/10/2012
LAST UPDATE: 12/10/2012 15:06:00
NOW IN: 47.18%

LW TW artist / album label power index
2 1 TAYLOR SWIFT RED 114,606
– 2 WIZ KHALIFA O.N.I.F.C. 111,823
3 3 ROD STEWART MERRY CHRISTMAS BABY 86,545
7 4 MICHAEL BUBLE CHRISTMAS 63,707
4 5 ONE DIRECTION TAKE ME HOME 33,191
– 6 KE$HA WARRIOR 27,692
6 7 RIHANNA UNAPOLOGETIC 25,785
5 8 PHILLIP PHILLIPS WORLD FROM THE SIDE OF THE MOON 24,495
1 9 ALICIA KEYS GIRL ON FIRE 23,864
8 10 LADY ANTEBELLUM ON THIS WINTER’S NIGHT 18,097
10 11 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 44 VARIOUS ARTISTS 17,436
9 12 BLAKE SHELTON CHEERS, IT’S CHRISTMAS 16,058

33 18 ONE DIRECTION UP ALL NIGHT 12,425

12 21 SCOTTY MCCREERY MERC CHRISTMAS WITH SCOTTY 10,168
27 22 MAROON 5 OVEREXPOSED 10,119

20 25 CARRIE UNDERWOOD BLOWN AWAY 9,176

35 29 CEE LO GREEN CEE LO’S MAGIC MOMENT 7,044

22 39 KELLY CLARKSON GREATEST HITS – CHAPTER 1 4,804

41 42 CHRISTINA AGUILERA LOTUS 4,394

25 44 SUSAN BOYLE STANDING OVATION: THE GREATEST 4,073
30 45 GLEE CAST GLEE: THE MUSIC, SEASON 4, V1 3,956

47 50 NE-YO R.E.D. 3,288

 
  • windmills

    Reporting in from Billboard Country Update and Country Aircheck:

    There were 3 Billboard recurrents: Miranda Lambert and Rascal Flatts out of the t10 and Lauren Alaina out of the t40. There were 4 MB/Aircheck recurrents (Luke Bryan, Miranda Lambert, Rodney Atkins, and Jon Pardi). This coming week there’ll be at least 2 Billboard recurrents (Luke Bryan and Jake Owen out of the t10), CaseyJ remains at risk of going recurrent, and so is Maggie Rose. At MB/Aircheck there will be 2 recurrents: Jake Owen and Rascal Flatts.

    Carrie’s Two Black Cadillacs had another strong week gaining 3.255 million AIs as it moved up 4 spots to #23. 2BC is in position to pass Kacey Musgraves (who is 59k ahead and gained 611k last week) and Thomas Rhett (who is 1.482 million ahead and gained 435k last week) this coming week. Combine that with 2 recurrents and 2BC should move up to #19 in its 6th week. 

    At MB/Aircheck 2BC gained 2343 points and moved up 6 spots to #24. 2BC was 586 points behind Kacey Musgraves as of Sunday and 1384 points behind CaseyJ. Kacey gained 310 points last week and Thomas Rhett gained 328 points so the trend is for 2BC to pass both this week. 2BC will also pass Rascal Flatts (which will go recurrent anyway) and should move up to #20 this Sunday after recurrents are removed. There could be a race for the #19 spot considering 2BC will pick up a wave of t30 countdown spins this weekend, but Thomas Rhett is 1820 points ahead and gained 539 points last week. 

    CaseyJ’s Crying On A Suitcase held onto its Billboard bullet and stayed at #24 despite losing 399k. If it can stay on the chart then there’s actually a chance it’ll move back up to #22, though Chris Cagle could pass if he picks up the pace a little. RCA Nashville has a 1/6 page ad for COAS talking about its 4 adds this week (all Cumulus auto-adds) and 10 conversions to t20 rotation so there’s at least a little effort being put into keeping COAS on the chart.

    At MB/Aircheck COAS regained its bullet which guarantees it will continue charting on MB/Aircheck in January 2013. COAS gained 328 points and actually increased its lead on Kacey Musgraves to 798 points. Rascal Flatts dropping/going recurrent will offset Carrie passing so CaseyJ should move up to #21 MB/Aircheck at the end of the week. 

    Kelly’s Don’t Rush had a decent week at Billboard gaining 204k and moving up 3 spots to #37. Lee Brice passed, but Kelly repassed Jana Kramer (who actually lost airplay). Kelly also barely held off Hayden Panettiere, who gained 275k and is only 1k behind. DR isn’t likely to pass anybody in front this coming week, and Hayden and Blake/Miranda’s Christmas song is still a threat to pass. DR should still move up this week, even the worst case scenario is that it’ll hold at #37. It could move up 3 spots to #34, especially since it’s going to gain t40 countdown spins this weekend. 

    At MB/Aircheck DR gained 216 points and moved up 5 spots to #40, extending its lead on Jana Kramer’s Whiskey to 49 points. However Jana’s song repassed this morning which goes to show how tight things still are in that part of the chart. The FARM is only 77 points behind after outgaining DR by 18 points but wouldn’t be a threat to pass. based on last week’s gain. DR is still picking up a good number of adds weekly, including 10 this week. I expect it to hold onto its spot in the t40 this week (because of 2 recurrents) even if Jana ends the week ahead. DR could move up to #38. 

    Scotty’s Holly Jolly Christmas showed up on Billboard’s New & Active with 235k AIs (the #60 song had 457k AIs). It’s being played on 3 Billboard main chart-monitored stations. 

    Idol-related ads: RCA Nashville has a 1/3 page ad that’s split 50-50 for Kelly’s DR (talking about it being #4 most added this week) and CaseyJ’s COAS (as descirbed above). 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    RED is a beast, could it be the #1 album best seller for 2012?  

  • Kirsten

     “RED is a beast, could it be the #1 album best seller for 2012?  ”

    I don’t think it has enough time. It is already the best selling album released in 2012 (2.215M as of last week), but Adele’s 21 has sold the most of any album in 2012 (4.225M in 2012, it was released in Feb of 2011 and has already sold 10M)

  • springboard2

    Mediabase:

    AAA:
    1  1  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  635  649  -14  2.309
    -9  Spins
    -5  Bullet
    -0.049  AI
    Alt:
    40  39  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  239  213  26  1.206
    +7  Spins
    -2  Bullet
    +0.022  AI
    Country:
    23  21  CASEY JAMES   Crying On A Suitcase  2399  2376  23  18.19
    -49  Spins
    -81  Bullet
    -0.024  AI
    28  24  CARRIE UNDERWOOD   Two Black Cadillacs  2218  1618  600  15.144
    +54  Spins
    -108  Bullet
    +0.525  AI
    45  41  KELLY CLARKSON   Don’t Rush f/Vince Gill  492  462  30  2.544
    -4  Spins
    -28  Bullet
    +0.042  AI
    HAC:
    2  2  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  4336  4410  -74  31.286
    -21  Spins
    -7  Bullet
    -0.168  AI
    15  13  KELLY CLARKSON   Catch My Breath  2238  2103  135  16.683
    +18  Spins
    +1  Bullet
    +0.11  AI
    35  33  CARRIE UNDERWOOD   Blown Away  477  447  30  2.305
    +4  Spins
    -4  Bullet
    +0.013  AI
    POP:
    10  9  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  7980  7204  776  51.925
    +23  Spins
    -108  Bullet
    -0.045  AI
    22  19  KELLY CLARKSON   Catch My Breath  3418  2901  517  19.847
    +80  Spins
    +22  Bullet
    +0.504  AI
    32  21  ONE DIRECTION   Little Things  2913  1856  1057  19.234
    +163  Spins
    +71  Bullet
    +0.907  AI
    29  30  CHER LLOYD   Oath f/Becky G  2104  2086  18  9.676
    -11  Spins
    -7  Bullet
    -0.11  AI
    36  39  ONE DIRECTION   Live While We’re Young  863  1565  -702  4.896
    -107  Spins
    -47  Bullet
    -0.538  AI
    42  46  CARLY RAE JEPSEN   This Kiss  339  927  -588  1.201
    -90  Spins
    -48  Bullet
    -0.458  AI

  • springboard2

    ITunes:

    12/11/2012 – Top 1500 Singles (from LivePopBars)
    1. Cassadee Pope – Stupid Boy (The Voice Performance)
    2. Terry McDermott – Let It Be (The Voice Performance)
    4. Nicholas David – You Are So Beautiful (The Voice Performance)
    12. Phillip Phillips – Home
    32. Trevin Hunte – Wind Beneath My Wings (The Voice Performance)
    43. Kelly Clarkson – Catch My Breath
    50. Cassadee Pope – Over You (The Voice Performance)
    51. One Direction – Little Things
    53. Carrie Underwood – Blown Away
    62. Carly Rae Jepsen – Call Me Maybe
    77. Terry McDermott – I Want To Know What Love Is (The Voice Performance)
    78. Cher Lloyd – Oath (feat. Becky G)
    79. Nicholas David – Somewhere Over the Rainbow (The Voice Performance)
    88. One Direction – Live While We’re Young
    96. Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen – Good Time
    117. Carrie Underwood – Two Black Cadillacs
    123. Phillip Phillips – Gone, Gone, Gone
    125. One Direction – What Makes You Beautiful
    139. Cher Lloyd – Want U Back
    147. Cassadee Pope – Stand (The Voice Performance)
    157. Cassadee Pope – I’m With You (The Voice Performance)
    168. Nicholas David – Lean On Me (The Voice Performance)
    170. Carly Rae Jepsen – This Kiss
    192. Terry McDermott – Maybe I’m Amazed (The Voice Performance)
    195. Kelly Clarkson – Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You)
    205. Casey James – Crying On a Suitcase
    220. Cassadee Pope – Are You Happy Now? (The Voice Performance)
    231. Cassadee Pope – Torn (The Voice Performance)
    239. Carrie Underwood – Good Girl
    242. One Direction – One Thing
    263. Nicholas David – What’s Going On (The Voice Performance)
    284. Terry McDermott – Over (The Voice Performance)
    298. Terry McDermott – Carry On Wayward Son (The Voice Performance)
    304. Terry McDermott – Don’t Stop Believin’ (The Voice Performance)
    305. Trevin Hunte – And I Am Telling You I’m Not Going (The Voice Performance)
    312. Kelly Clarkson – My Grown Up Christmas List
    316. Nicholas David – September (The Voice Performance)
    317. Olly Murs – Troublemaker (feat. Flo Rida)
    326. One Direction – Little Things
    331. Melanie Martinez – Crazy (The Voice Performance)
    334. Terry McDermott – Stay With Me (The Voice Performance)
    335. Cassadee Pope – Behind These Hazel Eyes (The Voice Performance)
    343. Carrie Underwood – Before He Cheats
    348. Nicholas David – She’s Gone (The Voice Performance)
    351. Cassadee Pope – Not Over You (The Voice Performance)
    353. One Direction – Kiss You
    362. Cassadee Pope – Payphone (The Voice Performance)
    377. Terry McDermott – More Than a Feeling (The Voice Performance)
    390. One Direction – Rock Me
    408. Kelly Clarkson – Dark Side
    424. Scotty McCreery – Christmas in Heaven
    425. Terry McDermott – Summer of ’69 (The Voice Performance)
    442. Melanie Amaro – Long Distance
    448. Nicholas David – Stand By Me (The Voice Performance)
    461. Nicholas David – Put Your Records On (The Voice Performance)
    473. Nicholas David – You’re the First, the Last, My Everything (The Voice Performance)
    492. Amanda Brown – Dream On (The Voice Performance)
    502. Melanie Martinez – The Show (The Voice Performance)
    514. Cassadee Pope – My Happy Ending (The Voice Performance)
    523. Melanie Martinez – Too Close (The Voice Performance)
    531. Melanie Martinez – Seven Nation Army (The Voice Performance)
    532. Terry McDermott – Baba O’Riley (The Voice Performance)
    557. One Direction – She’s Not Afraid
    581. Kelly Clarkson – Breakaway
    593. One Direction – Nobody Compares
    627. Melanie Martinez – Toxic (The Voice Performance)
    672. Nicholas David – The Power of Love (The Voice Performance)
    688. Jordin Sparks & Chris Brown – No Air
    709. Kelly Clarkson – Don’t Rush (feat. Vince Gill)
    723. One Direction – Heart Attack
    783. Leona Lewis – Bleeding Love
    796. One Direction – Still the One
    801. Amanda Brown – Stars (The Voice Performance)
    840. Trevin Hunte – When a Man Loves a Woman (The Voice Performance)
    864. Carrie Underwood – How Great Thou Art
    907. Colton Dixon – You Are
    925. Lauren Alaina – Georgia Peaches
    933. Amanda Brown – (You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman (The Voice Performance)
    937. One Direction – Loved You First
    939. Pentatonix – Carol of the Bells
    977. Trevin Hunte – Greatest Love of All (The Voice Performance)
    995. One Direction – Up All Night
    1012. Trevin Hunte – Listen (The Voice Performance)
    1030. Carrie Underwood – Jesus, Take the Wheel
    1046. Melanie Martinez – Lights (The Voice Performance)
    1123. Carrie Underwood – Cowboy Casanova
    1157. Amanda Brown – Here I Go Again (The Voice Performance)
    1171. Trevin Hunte – Walking On Sunshine (The Voice Performance)
    1173. One Direction – They Don’t Know About Us
    1188. Cher Lloyd – Swagger Jagger
    1276. Cher Lloyd – With Ur Love
    1304. Olly Murs – Heart Skips a Beat (feat. Chiddy Bang)
    1330. One Direction – Kiss You
    1352. One Direction – Live While We’re Young
    1408. One Direction – Rock Me
    1409. One Direction – I Would
    1412. Carly Rae Jepsen – Call Me Maybe
    1432. One Direction – Moments
    1450. Kelly Clarkson – Mr. Know It All
    1481. Cassadee Pope – Told You So

    12/11/2012 – Top 1500 Albums (from LivePopBars)
    20. Phillip Phillips – The World from the Side of the Moon (Deluxe)
    46. Kris Allen – Waiting for Christmas – EP
    51. One Direction – Take Me Home (Yearbook Edition)
    61. One Direction – Take Me Home
    64. Scotty McCreery – Christmas With Scotty McCreery
    70. Pentatonix – PTXmas – EP
    93. Carrie Underwood – Blown Away
    128. One Direction – Up All Night (Deluxe Version)
    177. Phillip Phillips – The World from the Side of the Moon
    200. Cassadee Pope – Cassadee Pope – EP
    217. Kelly Clarkson – Greatest Hits – Chapter One
    224. Cher Lloyd – Sticks & Stones
    299. One Direction – Up All Night
    397. Pentatonix – PTX, Vol. 1
    466. Kelly Clarkson – Stronger (Deluxe Version)
    484. Mandisa – It’s Christmas (Christmas Angel Edition)
    563. Carly Rae Jepsen – Kiss (Deluxe Version)
    644. Lauren Alaina – Wildflower
    864. Scotty McCreery – Clear As Day
    1055. David Archuleta – Christmas from the Heart
    1151. Katharine McPhee – Christmas Is the Time to Say I Love You
    1177. Carrie Underwood – Play On
    1233. Chris Rene – I’m Right Here
    1257. Carrie Underwood – Carnival Ride
    1282. Daughtry – Daughtry
    1289. Daughtry – Break the Spell (Deluxe Version)
    1326. Chris Mann – Roads
    1401. Carrie Underwood – Some Hearts
    1452. Casey James – Casey James

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    Thanks, I guess 21 will take the World Chart this year again :) Last year it sold about 15.3 mill worldwide.

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    Scotty and Lauren look like they got nice little itunes bumps from the ACAs…also, Scotty was on Good Morning America this morning and that’s helping, too.:))

  • girlygirltoo

    “Home” continues to pile up radio adds. It has 10 so far this week, including one from KROQ here in L.A. (interestingly, KROQ is listed as an alt rock station — I have never thought of them as alt rock)

  • Mateja Praznik

    CHART DATE: 12/10/2012

    LAST UPDATE: 12/11/2012 13:01:43

    NOW IN: FINAL

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

  • jpfan2

    Final Numbers from HDD
    5 8 PHILLIP PHILLIPS 19/INTERSCOPE 65,920 -16%WORLD FROM THE SIDE OF THE MOON 
    16 SCOTTY MCCREERY MERC NASH/19/INTERSCOPE
    43,512 +7%CHRISTMAS WITH SCOTTY 43,512 +7%
    20 25 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 31,534 +20%BLOWN AWAY22 37
    KELLY CLARKSON 19/RCA 21,034 -17%GREATEST HITS – CHAPTER 1

  • blackberryharvest

    For fun, I’m going to estimate what that will bring the total sales to(Rounded):

    Phillip Phillips World From The Side Of The Moon: 310,900
    Scotty McCreery Christmas With Scotty: 248,500
    Carrie Underwood Blown Away: 1,067,500
    Kelly Clarkson Greatest Hits: 120,000

    Phillip should be going gold anytime now.

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    Looking at that HDD report…Blake Shelton was really helped by his nationally-televised Christmas tv special…An increase of 30%!  Lady A also had a nice increase.  Scotty had a 7%–will take it:)

  • girlygirltoo

    That’s a nice number for P2. 16% drop is not bad at all.

    Looks like all the Xmas albums in the Top 50 had increases in sales.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    It looks like Rod Stewart’s Christmas album is “the christmas cd to have” this year. After a slow opening week, Blake’s xmas cd has passed Scotty’s and is bringing in good numbers every week.

    It also looks like Scotty’s cd isn’t going to come close to actually selling 500K units to individual music buyers. I was thinking that he would have been selling around the same amount, if not higher than what Blake is doing at this point. That would have at least put Scotty’s total closer to the 500K mark and made the early certification seem more legit.

  • blackberryharvest

    Rod Stewart is basically a legend, so it makes sense. Blake had his own tv special which really helped his sales. It also helps that he is a more established artist, while Scotty has just been around for a year. Scotty’s album is doing great, and he has more appearances that have yet to be shown(Christmas in Washington for example). He may not make it to 500K this year, but the great thing about Christmas albums is that they can still have sales the following Christmas. I think he will get there eventually, even if its not this Christmas.

    Comparing Scotty’s Christmas album sales(not as established or well known) to two well known artists who have been around the block for awhile is like apples to oranges.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    Scotty was on Good Morning America today and he’s on again before Christmas. His GAC special is still repeating, I think, and he has the CMT Christmas as well as Christmas in Washington yet to come. Plus he was at the AMA’s Sunday. And he has more shows this weekend once he’s done with his finals. I think he’s going to sell a few more.

  • Trina

    After a slow opening week, Blake’s xmas cd has passed Scotty’s and is bringing in good numbers every week.

    Ha I totally predicted this when Scotty and Blake’s 1st week sales were being compared. I figured Blake’s fans werent really the type to run out to by a Xmas CD the first week. I think he has a lot of casual fans too who are probably buying it/

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Comparing Scotty’s Christmas album sales(not as established or well known) to two well known artists who have been around the block for awhile is like apples to oranges.

    Not really. People were comparing Blake and Scotty after their debut weeks, so there is no reason not to compare them now. Fans were also saying that Scotty’s cd was going to be the big seller of the season and that isn’t happening either. Predictions from fans were made before this season’s Christmas albums were released, so it is interesting to see how those predictions held up.

    It does look like Scotty will be following the sophomore slump with his second album though. You did want to count this as his second album, right?

  • jpfan2

    I don’t think Scotty’s Xmas album is doing badly at all. It may not be the CD of the season but it’s putting up very decent numbers. If it ends up selling 300-400K for the Xmas season I’d say the label would be pretty happy.

    The sophmore slump to me is that major swan dive when artists go from selling 1 Million to selling 100K. I think if an Idol artist can sell 300-500K with their second album they’re actually in pretty decent shape! That’s what Fantasia did and she still has her original label.

  • fantoo1

    I would take a gold record for a sophomore slump! The Christmas album cycle isn’t even over yet. He still has roughly 3 more weeks of sales left, plus some big tv appearances still coming up-CMT Christmas and Christmas in Washington. Plus the album saw an iTunes bump after the ACAs(not counted this week). I would guess both him and his label are pretty thrilled. There’s still a chance he will beat Blake in the end. :)

  • SaSa8

    I think Scotty’s Christmas CD is doing great.  For Blake and Lady A to have better sales at this point is not so surprising, they have more PR and promo behind them.  Lady A got to plug their album and perform last night on ACA’s and Blake is on TV every week and had a major network holiday special.  As a fan, I think a being in the top of the best new holiday CDs this season behind Rod Stewart, Blake and Lady A is quite an accomplishment for a new artist/AI winner.

  • getaway1

    Like Kelly Clarkson, Fantasia, Carrie Underwood, Jordin Sparks, David Cook, Scotty McCreery, Phillip Phillips will be the Top Seller of his season.  Between Home and the CD, it’s going to be hard for anyone else from AI11 to match that.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    At this rate, it’s not going to be a gold album. At this rate, it is probably going to end up somewhere closer to the 400K mark, if he is very lucky.

    Last I saw CAD had sold 1.1 million, so this second album will fall somewhere around 35% of CAD’s sales.

    There’s still a chance he will beat Blake in the end. :)

    Not at this rate.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    You’d think 300-500K for a 2nd album would be easy but it isn’t. Only a handful of Idols have actually managed it. No one from Seasons 6,7,8 or 9 (off the top of my head)

    Adam has, with his international numbers. How about Jordin? She does pretty well outside of the US. Last I saw, her WW sales for album #2 were in the 300-500K range.

     I think if an Idol artist can sell 300-500K with their second album they’re actually in good shape! That’s what Fantasia did and she still has her original label.

    I agree and that’s why Adam and Jordin are still signed to their original label, and like you said, Fantasia is as well. I’m sure Interscope will be happy with Scotty’s second album drop and decide to keep him on as well.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    I guess we know now what is in the kid’s Xmas stockings; Swift & 1D.  The grands are getting Buble ;)

  • girlygirltoo

    Not sure if you are being serious or not, but in case you are, no, this doesn’t count as his 2nd album. Xmas albums are generally an entity entirely to themselves, separate from the rest of an artist’s career.

  • girlygirltoo

    This isn’t Scotty’s 2nd album. His 2nd album is coming out next year (supposedly).

    Christmas albums are an entirely separate entity and have little to do with how most artist’s careers go.

    Based on Scotty’s current sales for CAD, even if the sales for album #2 (whenever it actually gets released; I’m hearing spring 2013 — is that still the plan?) drop by 70%, he would still end up selling more than 330K. So he is likely not going to be in any danger of losing his deal anytime soon.

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    Just for information’s sake…courtesy of DrDeb over at IDF:

    2011 TOP TEN SEASONAL ALBUMS
    1 Christmas/ Michael Buble . . . . . . . . . .2,452,000
    2 Under The Mistletoe/ Justin Bieber. . . .1,245,000 
    3 Heavenly Christmas/ Jackie Evancho . . 310,000 
    4 Glee: The Music, The Christmas/ Glee Cast . . 306,000 
    5 Very She & Him Christmas/ She & Him . . . . . 288,000 
    6 My Christmas/ Andrea Bocelli . . . 247,000 
    7 The Gift/ Susan Boyle . . . 233,000
    8 Christmas Symph./ Mannheim Steamroller . . . 184,000 
    9 Noel/ Josh Groban . . . 178,000 
    10 Charlie Brown Christmas/ Vince Guaraldi . . . 170,000

    2010 TOP TEN SEASONAL ALBUMS
    1. Susan Boyle . . . 1,852,000 
    2 Jackie Evancho . . . . 1,010,000
    3 Glee Cast . . . 917,000 
    4 Mariah Carey . . . 432,000 
    5 Andrea Bocelli. . . . . .371,000
    6 Josh Groban. . . . . . .261,000 
    7 Lady Antebellum. . . . 253,000
    8 Now Christmas 4/ Various. . . . 240,000 
    9 Taylor Swift. . . .209,000 
    10 Annie Lennox . . . . 178,000 

    2009 TOP TEN SEASONAL ALBUMS: 
    1 Andrea Bocelli. . . . . 2,207,000
    2 Sting. . . . . 521,000
    3 Taylor Swift. . . . . 445,000
    4 Josh Groban . . . 393,000
    5 Sugarland. . . . . 256,000
    6 Mannheim Steamroller. . .233,000 
    7 David Archuleta . . .210,000 
    8 Enya. . . 201,000 
    9 Michael Buble . . . 192,000 
    10 Straight No Chaser. . . 183,000 

    What’s interesting is that in this time of diminishing sales, this year’s albums are doing as well as they are:))  I don’t know if this year’s top Christmas cd will touch the sales of the top album for the last few years, but after that…

    Also, compared to past country Christmas cds, this year’s three are doing very well…

  • standtotheright

    At this rate, it’s not going to be a gold album. At this rate, it is probably going to end up somewhere closer to the 400K mark, if he is very lucky.

    He’d have to have around a 40 percent increase each week over the next two weeks to clear 400K. Is it possible? Yes. But those are the numbers people are putting up with dedicated specials, not appearances to sing one or two songs. He can maybe still crack it next year, but this is why I don’t like certifying so early. It’s doing plenty well for a Christmas album and it didn’t need lemming bait to be seen as a success; I think the certification comes back to bite Interscope by not letting said success speak for itself.

    I’m sure Interscope will be happy with Scotty’s second album drop and decide to keep him on as well.

    All that said, I don’t think Interscope is thinking of this in “second album” terms (although I’d love to know if the contract has any clauses to deal with advances for different releases). Christmas albums are notoriously cheap to make (very few writing royalties, many studio musicians who are capable of performing the songs quickly because they know them, all of which leads to limited demo time, multiple opportunities to market it outside radio, etc.). I think they’re extremely happy with the ROI on the album as it stands, but even if it hadn’t performed this well, it wouldn’t have cost enough to change their decision about future studio albums.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    What’s interesting is that in this time of diminishing sales, this year’s albums are doing as well as they are:))

    Music sales aren’t dropping 10-13% like they did a few years ago. They seem to be holding steady and album sales actually rose last year.

    The Nielsen Company & Billboard’s 2011 Music Industry Report:

    Album Sales Up for the First Time Since 2004
    Digital Track & Digital Album Sales Reach New Highs
    Overall Music Sales Break 1.6 Billion Mark for First Time

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    Okay:)  How about this is interesting…last year, there were no country Christmas cds in the Top 10, the year before only Lady A and Taylor Swift (were both of these eps?), and the year before that only Taylor and Sugarland.  

    So, if things keep going as they are…there would be three country cd’s in the Top 5.  And Scotty’s would be #5, if things continue as they have…

  • Trina

    Christmas albums are an entirely separate entity and have little to do with how most artist’s careers go.

    Kind of like how Clay’s Xmas album sold platinum (REALLY sold platinum and not just an premature certification), then his real sophomore album and album after that  flopped.  Also, releasing a 2nd album within a year of the debut album isnt the same as those who have waited 2 years or longer. 

    All that said, I sure hope Interscope certifies P2 soon since they tend to rush things. 

  • fantoo1

    Lol it’s amusing that we are even thinking about the possibility of Scotty getting dropped. Next to Carrie, Kelly, and Phillip, he is probably the alumni who needs to worry the least. I would be nervous if I were someone like Adam or Stefano for example.

  • jpfan2

    “Adam has, with his international numbers. How about Jordin? She does pretty well outside of the US. Last I saw, her WW sales for album #2 were in the 300-500K range.”

    I find it very hard to get legit international numbers. Do you have a link to where you got these? 

  • fantoo1

    At this rate, it’s not going to be a gold album.

    it’s already certified Gold, so he’s already there.

  • blackberryharvest

    Adam has, with his international numbers.

    Is there a source? Not saying its not true, but I was wondering where you found the information. Also, Scotty sold this album internationally also, so for all we know, the album could have sold well over 500K worldwide.

    It does look like Scotty will be following the sophomore slump with his
    second album though. You did want to count this as his second album,
    right?

    It is selling really well for being a 2nd album that happens to be a Christmas album. It shows how committed his fanbase is. I don’t think anybody was expecting him to sell a Christmas album anywhere near his regular album.

    I agree and that’s why Adam and Jordin are still signed to their original label

    Jordin had a hit song that did well on her 2nd album, so I think that is what saved her. Adam has nothing to fall back on right now-his 3 singles that have been released this era have bombed. Its too soon to say that he will survive this era-I wouldn’t be shocked to hear news of parting ways with RCA over the next few months.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Certified Gold and actually selling 500K copies are two different things. I was referring to actual sales to individual music buyers. At this rate, Scotty’s Christmas album is not likely to sell 500K copies of his album to individuals buying his cd.

    Somewhere around 400K is still a very respectable number. A couple of weeks ago, I did think the album had a chance to make that certification more legit this year, but his numbers didn’t increase the way I thought they would. It’s still a good showing and gave Scotty something to keep him in the minds of country fans between albums.

  • irockhard

    Yeah, not buying that Tresspassing sold more abroad than it did in the US until I see proof. He hasn’t had a hit off Tresspassing anywhere so I highly doubt it.

  • irockhard

    I don’t think Scotty’s in trouble either. In fact I bet his 2nd era will also be successful but he’ll probably experience the usual drop in sales going into a sophomore release, maybe not so severe as he’s releasing the next album pretty quickly (less than 2 years after the 1st one). Perhaps it will be gold instead of platinum, bearing in mind that gold is anything from 500k to 999k, and that will be enough to earn him a 3rd album.

  • blackberryharvest

    Yeah for the Christmas album, he should sell well over 300K, which is great for a Christmas album. He would be in great company-the last three years the album numbers around 300K were in the top 5 for the Holiday albums of that particular year.

    2011:
    3 Heavenly Christmas/ Jackie Evancho . . 310,000 
    4 Glee: The Music, The Christmas/ Glee Cast . . 306,000

    2010:
    5 Andrea Bocelli. . . . . .371,000

    2009:
    4 Josh Groban . . . 393,000
    5 Sugarland. . . . . 256,000

    I would have to say he is in pretty good company :)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    That 371K and 393K for Andrea Bocelli and Josh Groban were for Christmas albums that had been out for a year or two, Bocelli sold 2 million copies of My Christmas in 2009. Josh Groban’s CD came out in 2007 and has currently sold over five million copies.

    Scotty’s 400K is respectable, but it is not anywhere in the company of what these two artists have sold during the holiday season.   

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3Z2BKP4PV3JBML6NEZJYUOZTCM gian

    After 3yrs of predictions of Adam getting dropped from his label once his 15 minutes of fame is up there has been 8 Idols dropped from their label. He’s still standing. Both Scotty and Philip are doing great for their first era but when it comes to actual $$$ they still aren’t close to what Adam has made for his label his first era. International sales count. So until Scotty and Philip put out their second albums I’ll hold off on the flop/success predictions. 90% of artists on major labels aren’t platinum selling artists or radio hit artists and they aren’t dropped. So because other Idols got dropped doesn’t mean RCA is looking to drop Adam. If he was to “part ways” with his label I would imagine his fans going with the same meme of “It’s the best thing that could happen to him”. ” He can go “Indie”. ;). So if it isn’t the end of the world for other Idols it sure isn’t going to be for Adam. No doubt in my mind another label will pick him up. The way I see it radio=single sales=album sales=filling butts in concert seats which is where artists really make their money not albums sales. Adam having no hit single on the radio for 2yrs hasn’t stop him from filling concert seats. If anything he’s getting booked in bigger venues/arenas which is what most artists look to want to achieve. So while he’s making his $$$ and still gets visibility radio can f*ck themselves and Adam can join the ranks of other artists who radio ignores put fill arenas on his own and if he gets a 3rd album we’ll have 1 more year of predictions. Lol at Adam and Stefano in the same sentence.

  • suenigma

    I don’t think it’s heresy to begin the speculation that Adam and RCA might choose to part ways in the forseable future. I never would have predicted it, but the fact is that closing in on a year, 2 expensive videos, 3 singles, disappointing radio play and less than 200,000 albums sold domestically, things aren’t looking bright in terms of his relationship with RCA. Both the album and Adam deserved better, but it is what it is. I hope I’m wrong. He has media interest and the ability to sell concerts in Asia and elsewhere on his side. Those 2 things bode well for Adam’s future, but don’t really help RCA.

    I am not a Scotty fan, but the ability for a newbie artist with no big radio hit to sell 300,000-400,000 albums of Xmas songs with little to no writer’s fees, no costly videos, no radio pushes, no touring, no TV appearances and minimal press, is impressive, anyway you slice it. Good for him. I prefer Adam as an artist, but right here, right now, Scotty is connecting with the American buying public i’n a way that my faves, Cook and Adam, simply aren’t.

  • blackberryharvest

    Both Scotty and Philip are doing great for their first era but when it
    comes to actual $$$ they still aren’t close to what Adam has made for
    his label his first era.

    I’m not sure about that, Scotty’s album sold way more.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3Z2BKP4PV3JBML6NEZJYUOZTCM gian

    Scotty isn’t a typical newbie artist. He’s an American Idol winner that came with a built in fan base which means his debut numbers are inflated just like every Idol coming of the show. As for 300K albums sold on a major label can apply to 90% of RCA artists so I would guess their future doesn’t look so bright neither. An artists can’t connect if their music isn’t being heard. 

  • Axxxel

    So who is organizing all these Adam Lambert concerts in Asia and Eastern Europe in the first trimester of 2013 ? RCA ?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3Z2BKP4PV3JBML6NEZJYUOZTCM gian

    Your correct that he sold more in the US. But the label counts all their money and last I check foreign money was still green. So if Scotty sold 2million albums and 4.5 million singles not counting other revenues labels have to make money I’m counting 25million dollars min. If Scotty has made that money already good for him he has had a successful first era just like Adam and almost every top 2 Idol. Nothing new there.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3Z2BKP4PV3JBML6NEZJYUOZTCM gian

    Concert tours are organized by management. Adam’s international tours are also sponsored my big corporations which allows him to tour to no cost out of his pocket. Unless an artist has a 360 deal labels make no money of the artists tours. Label invest 90% of their artist from profits made by their top artist earners. Someone like Adam who still gets media visibility and by building his fanbase on touring could be a future pontential earner for RCA. If we are to believe RCA that Adam is a developing artist which they have never said about any other Idol and aren’t expecting immediate sales right away than 2 album in is no big deal.

  • Anny_nanny

    What me makes comfortable in the behavior of Interscope, they unhurried in certification Phillip very much. Platinum was officially announced after reaching. And he received a press-release of the (tiny) after he received the platinum. Interscope careful and I am on board with them – I don’t want to fall after fanfare. I see too many broken on the high expectations. Phillip lucky in the fact that everyone was waiting for the failure, not achievements.
    Maybe I’m not right.

  • springboard2

    It is going to be his management, and unless Adam has a 360 deal, RCA doesn’t make any money out of it.

  • springboard2

     There are costs associated with international sales, promo and distribution, and 1 million old internationally is not the same as 1 million sold at home.

  • irockhard

    I don’t consider Scotty’s Christmas album his sophomore album, I was talking about his real sophomore album that he’s recording and releasing next year.

  • irockhard

    Adam was also an American Idol alum coming off the show with inflated debut numbers. Just compare the opening sales of FYE to the opening sales of Trespassing.

  • irockhard

    What is your source that foreign money is still green? From where are you getting this “25 million min”?

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    Here’s the thing…I’m clearly a Scotty fan, but I truly do wish all of the Idol alum success.  And here’s what’s worried me for the last few days…Adam has had wonderful television exposure lately, right (I’ve seen the threads, even though I haven’t watched the clips, only so much time)?  Yet, I haven’t seen the itunes bumps.  Is it because the exposure lately has been for the Divas show?  What would be great here is if no one got angry, etc. but discussed what you think is happening?  

    And a totally different topic…while Scotty may not have sold as much internationally with the first album, don’t you think he must have sold some decent amount for the label to have made the Christmas album available digitally in all countries/physically in country-friendly countries?  

    Why in the world don’t they share those numbers?  I don’t see how it could hurt anything.

  • irockhard

    LOL what you say here basically refutes much of what you said in your first post. You admit that unless the artist is on a 360 deal the label doesn’t profit from touring. So if the artist fails to sell enough singles or albums the label can’t be compensated via touring revenue. Did Adam get any hit singles off Trespassing? No all 3 flopped everywhere, including abroad. Did Trespassing sell enough copies? Domestically definitely not, Crystal Bowersox album Farmer’s Daughter sold more units than Trespassing and she was dropped. Internatinally who knows, but I don’t see any evidence that international sales for Trespassing are higher than its domestic sales.

    I don’t know what you’re working on to declare Adam safe, speculation that he’s sold a truckload of Trespassing internationally or that RCA is still profiting from his first era? In either case it’s still just speculation, but my gut is telling me that neither is the case and that he will “part ways” with RCA early next year.

  • irockhard

    Quite right, and that’s another important factor.

  • irockhard

    Here’s the thing…I’m clearly a Scotty fan, but I truly do wish all of
    the Idol alum success.  And here’s what’s worried me for the last few
    days…Adam has had wonderful television exposure lately, right (I’ve
    seen the threads, even though I haven’t watched the clips, only so much
    time)?  Yet, I haven’t seen the itunes bumps.  Is it because the
    exposure lately has been for the Divas show?  What would be great here
    is if no one got angry, etc. but discussed what you think is happening?

    That’s because he’s no longer promoting his album. His management still books him high profile appearances and interviews but it’s been a while since I heard him talk about his music. And that tells you something right there.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3Z2BKP4PV3JBML6NEZJYUOZTCM gian

     Lol, Where in my post did I say Adam sold a truckload of Trespassing internationally? Are you seriously comparing Crystal Bowersox debut album to Adam’s sorphmore album? That’s like me comparing Adam’s 2nd album to Durbin’s 1st album which Trespassing has outsold. Durbin had the same exposure his first time at bat but alas 150k is all he could sell. lol. Based on his itunes sales he’ll be lucky to sell 1/3 of that with his next album since like I said ALL idols first sales are inflated. Those extra 50k he sold on touring won’t be there since radio hasn’t touch him neither. Yes rock acts sell by touring but I don’t think even Windup will muster 50K. It’s why he’s going more HAC/mainstream to get radio play.  Didn’t all Durbin singles flop? How’s his Christmas Rock song doing? 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3Z2BKP4PV3JBML6NEZJYUOZTCM gian

     Adam’s television exposure lately has been for Diva. He has not performed so there wouldn’t be any Itunes bump. His appearance on Pretty little liars where he did perform he got a nice Itune bump and that was a 30 second clip.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3Z2BKP4PV3JBML6NEZJYUOZTCM gian

     Your not paying attention. What do you think he talks about on all his interviews. He just came from overseas where that’s all he did was promote his album. lol.

  • http://twitter.com/ItsMyT1me Lori

    I’m sorry if this question has been asked before (and it probably has) but why ARE international sales such a mystery? Obviously the record companies must know. They are businesses with inventories and P&L statements! And I’m hoping the truly industry savvy posters (and you know who you are) ;) can reply. Thanks.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Yeah for the Christmas album, he should sell well over 300K, which is great for a Christmas album. He would be in great company-the last three years the album numbers around 300K were in the top 5 for the Holiday albums of that particular year.

    2011:
    3 Heavenly Christmas/ Jackie Evancho . . 310,000 
    4 Glee: The Music, The Christmas/ Glee Cast . . 306,0002010:
    5 Andrea Bocelli. . . . . .371,0002009:
    4 Josh Groban . . . 393,000
    5 Sugarland. . . . . 256,000I would have to say he is in pretty good company :)”The comparisons of the CDs from Bocelli (released Nov. 3, 2009) and Groban (released October 9, 2007) with Scotty’s are not valid. To make a valid comparison (apples to apples), sales from the first year the CDs were released should be posted:Bocelli’s CD sold over 2.2 million by the end of 2009: 34 BOCELLI*ANDREA MY CHRISTMAS 17,768 -94 283,683 2,207,202http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=gmn&thread=92452&page=5#2590878Groban’s CD sold over 3.7 million by the end of 2007 (currently has sold over 5.5 million and counting):3 58 GROBAN*JOSH NOEL 14,526 175,697 -92 3,713,189 http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=gmn&thread=56120&page=2#1436763Needless to say, sales of these CDs are in a different league than Scotty’s and are not comparable. Still, sales for Scotty’s CD are respectable and I’m sure that he and his label are happy.are not in the same league as these

  • YankeeFan08

    Because for some reason in the Idol bubble, it is believed that international sales don’t count.  I think it’s probably because when it comes to international exposure, the Idols are not on a level playing field.  Some are much more well known internationally than others, and there is demand.  Some are marketed right out of the gate internationally, where some are hardly promoted at all outside the U.S. 

    It’s only in the bubble that those international sales are “ignored”.  But be assured the record labels do count those sales.  As an example, in RCA press releases about Adam, they say (and i’m paraphrasing here) that FYE has sold almost 2 million worldwide.  So yes, they do count those sales because we know FYE sold less than 1 million in the U.S

    And anticipating comments that RCA embellished those numbers, etc., why would they?  If that was the case, then they could have “made up” numbers for all the Idols they ended up dropping, but yet they didn’t.

  • loveroftalent

    hahah…The old idol bubble…Never gets old…

  • mileyfan123

     International sales are usually a mystery because of “the idol bubble”?! Wow, what power everyone here has over the entire recording industry! Yeah, RCA did press releases that mentioned FYE sold 2 million, but they didn’t break it down by country, so Lori is right, we just don’t get solid numbers of international sales data, and that has nothing to do with “the idol bubble” LOL.

  • justmefornow

    Adam is on a major label, James is on an Indie label, are you seriously saying the promo is the same for both labels? LOL.
    The most important difference however, other than lowers sales being acceptable on an Indie label, (James is one of Wind-up’s best selling artists, btw) is the 360 DEAL that James has with Wind-up. They profit from his touring, merch sales and other tie-ins he has with his music.

    Adam doesn’t have this with RCA. They don’t see a dime from anything other than music sales. If his sales don’t increase by some miracle he will probably be dropped early next year.

    (Oh, and James just confirmed last night in an Ustream chat, the songs he and his band wrote for the new album are definitely harder, not HAC leaning at all.)

  • MellyPer1692

    You obviously have not watched any of the interviews Adam has done internationally have you irockhard? If you had, you would have known that Adam is promoting Trespassing in them, does talk about his music and has performed songs from it to go along with that promo. You may not have seen those interviews here, but there’s a world outside the “idol bubble” for info lol.

  • MellyPer1692

    What’s more solid than the record label and Sony saying it?? The not believing the label because one idol did better than your personal favorite happens in the “idol bubble” all the time.

  • irockhard

    Lol, Where in my post did I say Adam sold a truckload of Trespassing
    internationally? Are you seriously comparing Crystal Bowersox debut
    album to Adam’s sorphmore album? That’s like me comparing Adam’s 2nd
    album to Durbin’s 1st album which Trespassing has outsold.

    LOL
    this is too funny. James is on an indie label that doesn’t pay advances
    and isn’t signed with 19R (3rd party who wants a cut putting pressure
    on the artist to sell extra). Plus unlike Adam and Crystal (at the time)
    his deal with Wind-up is a 360 deal. No need for me to explain how a
    360 deal works as you seem to understand that quite well.

    Durbin had
    the same exposure his first time at bat but alas 150k is all he could
    sell. lol.

    Did he really? The only two occasions he got national exposure was Conan and Idol, that’s it.

    Based on his itunes sales he’ll be lucky to sell 1/3 of that
    with his next album since like I said ALL idols first sales are
    inflated. Those extra 50k he sold on touring won’t be there since radio
    hasn’t touch him neither.

    LOL because the rock
    genre is driven by airplay like pop is right? Well then explain why the
    listenership for rock stations is so low that many rock stations are
    closing shop and being converted into news stations and yet rock
    festivals continue rake in millions; or how the classic bands with no
    new music to promote continue to be the highest grossing tour
    acts? For most rock music fans terrestrial radio is the last place they
    go to discover new music. And rock fans are way more loyal than pop
    fans, once a new act has won them over they tend to stick around. And
    50k for only 4 months of touring is freaking amazing for a new rock
    artist.

    Yes rock acts sell by touring but I don’t
    think even Windup will muster 50K. It’s why he’s going more
    HAC/mainstream to get radio play.  Didn’t all Durbin singles flop? How’s
    his Christmas Rock song doing?

    You might
    wanna check the sales of Wind-up’s other artists behind the biggest
    names (Evanescene, Creed, Seether & The Darkness).

    James is
    not going more HAC/mainstream. He/Wind-up might have considered it
    earlier in the recording process but on his Ustream chat last night said
    that the new album will have more aspects of metal than MOABD because
    he and his bandmates (who are metal musos) are doing most of the
    writing. Also his latest co-write is with the guy who co-wrote
    Halestorm’s current hit “I Miss The Misery”. His producer (James
    Michael) specializes in hard rock (and is less expensive but better than
    Howard Benson btw), and while I don’t know for sure if SCIBIT is any
    indication of the direction he’s going in, based on what I’ve mentioned
    above I’d say it is and it’s not HAC.

    Yes LMB and SU flopped at
    radio, and I knew they would as they were the worst songs off MOABD that
    could’ve been sent to the formats they were sent to. LMB is just an
    awful song that I knew it wouldn’t go anywhere and while SU sounds way
    better in a stadium or sports bar than on a playlist with songs like
    Staind’s “Not Again” or Avenged Sevenfold’s “Buried Alive” Wind-up
    didn’t actually push that song, they just threw it out there to piggy
    back the NFL connection. However SU continues to be played in stadiums
    throughout the US even outside the NFL (it was played at basball and
    basketball games too) and probably will so for years. James didn’t write
    it so he’s probably not benefitting from it but Wind-up put it on MOABD
    so that they could, that sort of thing also helps to compensate the
    label for lack of a radio hit.

    I’m not tracking the sales of
    SCIBIT because there’s no need to, it’s not a single, it’s just a song
    he recorded and released for fun, he didn’t have to do that. Doubt he or
    the label care how it’s selling, they even made it a free download on
    Amazon mp3. But singles sales are very low in James genre anyway, even
    if they are radio hits, and that’s not only because the rock formats are
    too small to generate huge sales (for both singles and albums). Rock
    (unlike pop) still sells more albums than singles because most rock fans
    consider the singles to be the most generic and boring songs on the
    album. In rock the point of the single is still to sell the album
    because rock listeners buy albums not singles. James sold more albums
    than singles, just like a typical rock artist, that is not going to
    change. Every time he got a sales bump it was a bump in album sales. The
    only way James is going to see huge sales from airplay is if he has a hit
    that crosses over onto one of the big formats, again that’s typical for a
    niche artist.

  • MellyPer1692

    If they had sold Scotty’s Xmas album in hard copy or released it that way or had him do promo for it internationally I would think he had good sales internationally. There’s negligible additional cost in making it available digitally.

  • mileyfan123

     Please don’t read something into my comment that I didn’t even say. I never said those numbers aren’t solid. What I said was that we have no idea the breakdown of sales by country. We just don’t have those numbers, and it has nothing to do with others “personal favorites” in “the idol bubble”.

  • irockhard

    I don’t see anyone here accusing RCA of making up the international sales for FYE. It’s the international sales for Trespassing that is being questioned as there’s no info on that to date.

  • MellyPer1692

    Sorry, this quote from you

    “Lori is right, we just don’t get solid numbers of international sales data”

    had me confused I guess. No harm done.

  • mileyfan123

    I don’t know why you were confused. We don’t have solid numbers of international sales data. We have one total, not broken down by country, that was released years after the album. That isn’t solid reporting of international sales data, and to act like there is an abundance of international sales data for any artist that isn’t being reported on this site because of some idol bubble bias is false.

  • MellyPer1692

    Ke$has numbers are a little surprising to me, I expected more at this time of the year. She debuted at #66 in the UK.

  • justmefornow

    Much better on a jumbotron than on radio, I agree.  The song was written and recorded for the NFL for use on jumbotrons, not for James, and even before he was signed to Wind-up. 
    But putting it on MOABD they then profited from it too.
    Basketball and Baseball I guess just liked it too and used it as well…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgmQMxCMJb0

  • sabbia

    Phew! That is GREAT news re:the harder sound for his next album.

    I didn’t attend the chat. Did James say anything else of note last night?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3Z2BKP4PV3JBML6NEZJYUOZTCM gian

    Sony doesn’t give a breakdown of countries sales but some countries have their own tracking system which you can get based on certifications. Ex: Adam received his platinum certification in South Africa for FYE which are 40k units and soon will go gold on Trespassing which is 20K when he was there last month.  So we know he sold 20k this era in SA and that was with no promo and no singles charting. It was enough to convince promoters to book him 2 sold out tours there.

  • irockhard
  • mjsbigblog

    Yes. Let’s please keep this thread focused on NUMBERS. No thread jacking please.

  • justmefornow

    I missed most of it getting home late, but irockhard heard all of it. There’s a little recap she posted in last night’s headlines thread. I was glad to hear the confirmation about the sound direction too. 
    I kind of guessed this change when he was writing recently with Scott Stevens (Halestorm’s I Miss The Misery). 
    Yeah!

  • irockhard

    My lengthy post about this disappeared but I pretty much stated what you did.

    Apples and oranges: Major label vs indie label. Niche genre vs mainstream genre. 360 deal vs standard major label deal. 19R vs no 19R. Advance vs no advance. Genre driven by airplay vs genre driven by touring, merch & endorsements. Genre with low single sales vs genre with high single sales. No comparison.

  • MellyPer1692

    Question? Speaking of 360 deals, what size of crowd does Durbin get on headlining dates? I know that per music articles, openers don’t usually make much touring, how are his solo shows? It would be cool if he got on the road to play some of his new stuff soon :)

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    Actually, Scotty’s Christmas album was released in hard copy in select countries–Australia, Canada, The Phillipines, New Zealand, and I don’t remember:)

    Speaking of which, this looks like it’s just voting but it is in the Phillipines…

     http://chartcentral.blogspot.com/2012/12/voters-hitlist-xl-20121211.html

  • MellyPer1692

    “That’s because he’s no longer promoting his album. His management still books him high profile appearances and interviews but it’s been a while since I heard him talk about his music. And that tells you something right there”

    Adam is still promoting his album. All of the international interviews have focused on his album. Performances, too. Right now he’s promoting Divas, which is pretty cool because I would guess that VH1 is sharing some of the cost and he’s able to mention or the hosts mention the album :). I’m just glad I get to see him on my tv!

  • irockhard

    The healining gigs were in clubs so not very big. He’s a new artist in the genre that is probably the furtherest removed from Idol, almost no representation in viwership there, so that’s to be expected at this stage.

    I’m hoping that James will hit the round again from early next year, a few months before the new album is released. Not will only we get to hear new stuff soon but I think it will be the most effective way for him to form a buying audience for the new album.

    Small headlining gigs, opening gigs, festival gigs, radio gigs, tv gigs, whatever. They must just get him out there performing cause that’s proven to be his meal ticket.

  • MellyPer1692

    Ah, okay thanks for the info. So the 360 deal probably hasn’t impacted much yet, but does have the ability to reap benefits in the future.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”I’m not sure about that, Scotty’s album sold way more.”

    Way more?!

    I don’t know why people disregard sales outside US. And Adam might only sold 870k for FYE but it was actually 2million if you include worldwide sales. Trespassing sold only 152k in the US and I won’t include how many he sold internationally this era as it wasn’t really clear.

    Unless Scotty sold 2.2 million copies of his 2 albums, then you’re probably correct that he’s ahead of Lambert. If he sold 3 million by now then he’s sold waaaay more than Adam.

    I don’t know how many single Scotty sold by now but Adam sold 4.2 million singles.

  • windmills

    I feel like I must have missed a bunch of comments in other threads, because I really don’t ever remember seeing a groundswell of people saying Scotty’s Christmas album was going to be the big Christmas album of the season? I do remember people commenting on Scotty’s 1st week Christmas album sales being bigger than Blake’s. But, I also remember saying at the time that Blake wasn’t a great comparison because despite all the hype, Blake is not actually a great album seller and that Blake was going to more than make up the difference with later promo anyway. Which is what’s happening though, I have to point something out: despite Blake’s solidly rated Christmas special last Monday, his Christmas album may still not have outsold Lady A’s Christmas album last week. They had a TV Christmas concert too but, it was on GAC (much smaller network) as opposed to NBC. And, Blake’s Christmas album was projected to sell 75-80k by HDD and ended up trending down to 63k (Lady A also trended down from the 70-75k projection).

    Not surprisingly the go-to Christmas albums of the season are from AC radio stalwarts like Rod Stewart and Michael Buble. Just like the go-to Christmas albums in recent years have come from Josh Groban, Susan Boyle, and even Clay. Blake’s sales aren’t embarrassing but, it sure looks like a lot of the people who enjoy watching him on TV see him more as a TV star and aren’t as interested in his music.

    As far as the significance of Scotty’s Christmas album for his career, I really don’t think it was going to make too much of a difference unless it flopped (which it definitely hasn’t) or slayed in sales (which it also hasn’t). It’s selling respectably as expected and it has actually tracked pretty well against the Lady A and Blake Christmas albums on a week to week basis. None of this changes the pressure on Scotty to find good radio singles for his next album to start winning over gatekeepers at radio and in the industry at large. Maybe the only way the Christmas album has had an impact on his sophomore album is to give him this period of extra visibility to buy him extra time to live life, hopefully find more of an identity he can translate into being a relevant country artist, write, and find songs. 

    As far as his Christmas album actually scanning 500k, I never thought it was going to happen this year. I feel like there’s a good chance of it happening next year, piggybacking off promo for Scotty’s sophomore album. The early certification of the Christmas album was much more for the PRs his label will release when his next single and next album come out than anything else.

  • ptebwwong

    Taylor: Scotty’s 400K is respectable, but it is not anywhere in the company of what these two artists have sold during the holiday season. 

    The problem is many people are comparing Scotty’s numbers with pop/rock artists. Those artists will always sell more because not everyone likes countrified Christmas music & you don’t necessarily know that who you’re gifting to likes country music either. 

    If you look at how country Christmas albums sell, the sales numbers are not as good as many would expect. Taylor’s 1st Christmas EP sold less than 250,000 the 1st year. Her 2nd EP sold a little over 400,000 that year. Keep in mind by the 2nd EP she was already a big star in country. To put these numbers in perspective, in the last 15 years, about 4 country Christmas EP’s/albums have sold more than 300,000 copies the same year they were released which are Taylor, Kenny Chesney, Faith Hill, & Lady A. There are big country acts who have released Christmas albums in the last 15 yrs. like Brad, Sugarland, etc. but none of them sold that number.

    So if you consider that country Christmas albums don’t normally do well Scotty’s album is selling very well. So are Blake’s & Lady A’s. Three country Christmas albums this year should sell over 300,000 copies in their release year which is great for all of them considering country Christmas albums generally aren’t big sellers.

  • justmefornow

    I think the biggest difference with the Indie label 360 deals vs. major labels are perhaps those big advances. People coming off Idol that sign with those advances have to sell a lot coming out of the gate and if they don’t, get dropped fast (see Haley Reinhart). It’s like starting out with a huge debt hanging over your head.
    With the 360 deals, the label and artist seem like they work together more as a team to expand the artist and their potential to make money, instead of paying the artist a lot up front and then working to pay it back, so to speak.

  • suenigma

    I think that RCA is more of a “what have you done for me lately” kind of employer. Regardless of what was achieved with the first album and singles ( and a lot was achieved!) if he can’t prove that he can sustain that success he MAY not be given another opportunity. Even someone like Keisha – I’m not convinced she’ll get a third album with RCA.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”but it’s been a while since I heard him talk about his music. And that tells you something right there.”

    I don’t really understand what you mean by that. Didn’t Adam just came from a successful tour in SA, huge gigs in China, and recently with Cyndi L’S charity singing HIS music? His prints and actual interviews were all about his music.

    I supposed you didn’t watch his recent interviews in NY, but he was doing that because of his hosting gig in VH1 Diva. Yet the hosts never failed to mention his top charting second album, his concerts with Queen, Adam even mentioned in one of those interviews about his Grammy nomination couple years back. But because the TV appearances last MONDAY were actually plugging for the Diva show he probably couldn’t talk much about his Album.

    and he’ll be singing his songs on the 14th for a Jingle Ball and I supposed he’ll be talking to the DJ’s about his music too. Then Bali concert in New years eve. Then his schedule for his tour internationally was full until the first quarter of the year and the dates are keep on coming up. And what’s more awesome? he’s doing it mostly in Arenas:)

    So yeah, color me surprise.

  • MellyPer1692

    I’m confused about indie labels having no advances. They must advance monies to get the album made. I doubt Howard Benson doesn’t get paid very well to produce, studio time, musicians, songwriters, etc all cost money and I doubt that the indie artist fronts those fees, the label does. Those costs have to be recouped before the label makes money. I know the costs are less than probably a major label, but it’s all relative.

  • http://twitter.com/LaCingara Cingara

    And, those are old numbers – 152k of Trespassing was back in July. We know it has been generating steady low US sales since then with a couple of bumps (PLL for example) but have no numbers. Also, we have NO track sale numbers updates for either Trespassing or FYE. That 4.2 million number is from Dec 2011. There have been hits off Trespassing in other countries, otherwise no concerts would be booked with global Sony mgrs in the loop. Int’l fans have frequently posted charts on twitter. Unless one follows Adam closely, one has no idea of his promo schedule. But it’s busy. http://adamlambertevents.wordpress.com/

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”Regardless of what was achieved with the first album and singles ( and a
    lot was achieved!) if he can’t prove that he can sustain that success
    he MAY not be given another opportunity.”

    I’m aware of this and I know Adam might be in trouble because his second era didn’t even come close to his first one.

    I’m just disagreeing about the post that apparently ‘Scotty has sold waaaay more than Lambert.’ Which isn’t true actually.

    And yeah, I agree about Kesha. And thinking she had a massive massive hit with Tic toc and few more of her songs.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Yeah, I did know that those numbers were like eons ago.lol
    But because we don’t really know the exact numbers at this moment, I just used the official one and didn’t include a single copy sold internationally for his second album and yet he still sold more than Scotty.

  • justmefornow

    I’m sure the label pays for these, I was talking about advances to the artists themselves personally. 
    Also artists who do most of the writing themselves, like James is doing with his band and they’re the only musicians recording also, for album #2, and have only one producer, probably cost a lot less for the label compared to some artists who have to hire these things out to others.

    The costs are probably less on an Indie, also, especially where the promo aspect comes in, the two aren’t even close, that’s probably the one area where the Indie artist is at a real disadvantage. 
    Someone like James, who only had two national promo opportunities in era #1, and his sales increased dramatically each time, would have benefited in sales tremendously from more national promo.

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

     Oh, ptewong, I didn’t know that about country Christmas cds over the last 15 years–thanks.

    There are several things I believe Scotty is getting from this Christmas album…the promo has been great and has really kept his name out there and introduced him to people who will hopefully then be interested in his next album (I know, no guarantee, but there are definitely new fans because of the appearances and the album itself).  New fans are good.  The album also gave him more experience–I think his voice and performance level definitely improved–and that can only help with the next album as well.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    The problem is many people are comparing Scotty’s numbers with pop/rock artists. Those artists will always sell more because not everyone likes countrified Christmas music & you don’t necessarily know that who you’re gifting to likes country music either.

    No they aren’t. The OP was comparing Scotty’s Christmas album with Andrea Bocelli’s and Josh Groban’s Christmas albums. My comment that you quoted was directly referring to those two artists. They are, in no way, considered to be pop/rock artists.

  • suenigma

    I hear what you’re saying – Adam did have a remarkably successful first era, and no one can take that away from him. But it’s a business and I doubt that RCA is looking too closely at the number of albums and singles Adam sold 3 years ago. Is he making them money today, and/or can they reasonably expect him to make them money in the future?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I feel like I must have missed a bunch of comments in other threads, because I really don’t ever remember seeing a groundswell of people saying Scotty’s Christmas album was going to be the big Christmas album of the season? I do remember people commenting on Scotty’s 1st week Christmas album sales being bigger than Blake’s. But, I also remember saying at the time that
     Blake wasn’t a great comparison because despite all the hype, Blake is not actually a great album seller and Blake was going to more than make up the difference with later promo anyway.

    Fans did say that Scotty’s album was going to be the big seller of the season. They also referred to the first week numbers of Scotty and Blake as a victory and said that it showed how well Scotty was doing.

    You and others did point out on many occasions that Blake was just getting started and that he would probably end up selling more in the long run, but many of the fans didn’t believe that would ever happen. They expected Scotty to be the big seller, like he was a year ago coming off of Idol.

    Many pointed out that Rod Stewart was going to be the big seller for the season and fans of Scotty believed he would also beat out Rod.  

    I did believe Scotty would do better than he has, even predicting a couple of weeks ago that his album would rise to get closer to 75K a week after Thanksgiving and therefore get closer to the actual 500K mark. I doubted that Blake would be able to pass Scotty eventually, due to Scotty’s Idol popularity being so recent.

    Scotty did have one of the two or three top selling country albums and one of the top 10 highest selling albums of 2011. I’m a little surprised that his numbers have fallen off this much already in one year.
    Did I expect him to sell 1.2 million Christmas albums? No, but I did expect him to be at least the big country seller this season and give Rod Stewart a better run for his money, due to the fact that he was such a bug seller in country and overall with CAD.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    As I’ve already said, I know Adam might be in trouble of dropping by his label because his second era didn’t even come closed to his first one. Many here has predicted that too. But I guess we’ll have to wait to know if he’s sold enough for his label to keep him.

  • Eileen99

    Did I expect him to sell 1.2 million Christmas albums? No, but I did expect him to be at least the big country seller this season and give Rod Stewart a better run for his money, due to the fact that he was such a big seller in country and overall with CAD.

    I really don’t remember any of those predictions and to expect Scotty to be the big Christmas CD ahead of Rod Stewart, Lady A and Blake is just silly to me.  I doubt any Scotty fans are disappointed with how the Christmas album has done – I think it’s done really, really well for him.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I’m not sure about that, Scotty’s album sold way more.

    No, it didn’t. Not in single or album total numbers.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    You may not remember the comments from fans in past number’s threads, but those comments were made and those discussions and predictions did happen. Now that we can see how those predictions are turning out.

  • mjsbigblog

    Arguing about what fans have said or not said in the past threads is off topic and could go on forever, so I am going to stop it right here.

  • ptebwwong

    I saw the original comparison. Andrea Bocelli & Josh Groban aren’t pop/rock artists. But they’re not country artists either. Both those artists sell a lot because they would be perfect artists for gifting during the holidays since they appeal to the older demographic.

    My point was that country artists usually aren’t big sellers for Christmas albums. Even though Lady A & Blake this year are selling well, they won’t compare to artists that are in big genres & appeal to the holiday buyers like Rod, Michael Buble, Josh Groban, etc. 

    BTW, I’m a Scotty fan. But I said that Rod would be the biggest Christmas album this year. There is no way that Scotty or any country artists including Lady A & Blake would sell more Christmas albums this year than a pop/rock legend.

  • ptebwwong

    There are country Christmas albums that eventually sold more than 300,000 copies, but a lot of them never went gold. Remember, I’m listing only albums that sold 300,000 in their 1st year. I’m assuming that Taylor’s 1st Christmas EP & Sugarland’s Christmas album has now sold 300,000 since they did sell over 200,000 copies the year they were released & it’s been a couple of years now. But they both haven’t went gold. I don’t think Brad’s album was even close to selling 300,000 copies.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

     I saw the original comparison. Andrea Bocelli & Josh Groban aren’t pop/rock artists. But they’re not country artists either.

    I agree with you on that statement, but you quoted my post about the comparison of Scotty to Bocelli and Groban and replied that the problem was that comparisons were being made between “Scotty’s numbers with pop/rock artists”. That’s not what the original comparison was, nor was it the type of artists that my comment, that you quoted, was referring to.

  • fantoo1

    Not in singles so far, but he definitely has in album sales in the US(his album has been released elsewhere so maybe even internationally):

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Idol_alumni_album_sales

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    International sales also count as purchases and legit sales numbers. Adam has sold more copies of his first album and more singles from that album than Scotty did with his first album. This original comment

    I’m not sure about that, Scotty’s album sold way more.

    is not accurate.

  • lightoftruth777

    ROUGHSTOCK
    Top 10 Country Albums for This Week with Five Notable Albums
    (SoundScan Top 200 Current Albums Chart Placement)*
    *Numbers rounded to nearest thousandth.

    LW TW Artist Album Sales TW Sales Total
    2 1 Taylor SwiftRed 167,000 2,383,000
    8 7 Blake SheltonCheers, It’s Christmas. 68,000 271,000
    New 9 Florida Georgia Line Here’s To The Good Times 63,000 63,000
    7 19 Lady Antebellum On This Winter’s Night 62,000 279,000
    11 14 Scotty McCreery Christmas With Scotty 41,000 245,000

    LW TW Artist Album Sales TW Sales Total
    13 17 Jason Aldean Night Train 40,000 866,000
    25 20 Little Big TownTornado 34,000 454,000
    20 23 Carrie Underwood Blown Away 31,000 1,067,000
    35 29 Luke Bryan Tailgates & Tanlines 25,000 1,643,000
    36 31 Hunter Hayes Hunter Hayes 23,000 419,000

    LW TW Artist Album Sales TW Sales Total
    44 35 Eric Church Chief 20,000 1,221,000
    49 43 Zac Brown Band Uncaged 14,000 650,000
    71 81 Blake Shelton Red River Blue 8,000 845,000
    78 94 Rascal Flatts Changed 7,000 425,000
    139 137 Justin Moore Outlaws Like Me 5,000 492,000Read more at http://www.roughstock.com/blog/country-alb…RsYhGYSMy64s.99Note: Roughstock incorrectly ranked LA #19 on the Billboard chart this week. I’m going to guess that LA probably ranked #10.

  • irockhard

    With indie labels what usually happens is the label and artist will both contribute to the costs of production and then split the profits between themselves. Even on occasions when they do pay advances (which was probably the case for MOABD) the advances they give are much smaller. Benson’s not the cheapest rock producer (James Michael is cheaper but better than Benson), but he’s still cheaper than hiring him and a dozen other different producers. If you look at the credits on Kelly or Adam’s albums you’ll see that multiple producers were hired to produce their albums. One producer also saves time. Writing the music yourself and using your own musicians cuts a lot of costs. James is doing some co-writes this era but to my knowledge only for a few songs, and hasn’t hired other musicians, it’s just him, his drummer, guitarist and the producer. I’m pretty sure that this album is even cheaper to produce than the last one and Wind-up was able to make a profit off only 100k last time.

  • irockhard

    And still some bands can do it all themselves – writing, composing and production so these bands don’t even need to hire a producer and so the label spends no money on production.