HDD – Album Sales Prediction : Apr 23-29

No wonder Lionel quit “Duets”. He’s got some major marketing mojo working for him and is living at the top of HDD chart. He doesn’t need any new duet partners. While one could dismiss his first week of topping the chart as a result of his appearing on a CBS special, the dude is still selling well weeks later. Clearly, he’s found an untapped market for 80s Pop tunes re-imagined as Country duets. Right now, Duran Duran and Madonna are fighting over the phone number for Zac Brown’s agent.

Nevertheless, Lionel is not predicted to top the final chart this week (he’s set to finish third). The chart topper is predicted to be a debuting Jack White for his first time ever. There are two Country acts also set to debut in the top 10, Lee Brice and Kip More (currently 3rd and 5th). Luke Bryan, who has been kicking around the top 10 for quite some time, is there again this week at number 9.

To match up the trio of Country artists in the top 10, there are 3 British acts. Adele is currently at second (as she often is when she’s not first or third) while rival British Boy Bands One Direction and The Wanted are currently 6 and 7. Nikki Minaj and Train complete the top 10 at 8 and 10th respectively.

Kelly Clarkson is the only solo Idol in the top 50. Her “Stronger” album is currently at 27th. She also appears on Jason Aldean’s “My Kinda Party” at 19th. Jennifer Hudson sings the title track on the “Think Like a Man” Soundtrack album at 17 and Chris Richardson is featured on a track on Tyga’s album (47). Voice judges Blake Shelton and Adam Levine (in the form of Maroon 5) are at 28 and 45 respectively.

CHART DATE: 04/30/2012
LAST UPDATE: 04/30/2012 13:28:39
NOW IN: 54.98%

LW TW artist / album label power index
1 1 LIONEL RICHIE TUSKEGEE 48,562
3 2 ADELE 21 47,521
— 3 LEE BRICE HARD 2 LOVE 23,086
— 4 JACK WHITE BLUNDERBUSS 22,895
— 5 KIP MOORE UP ALL NIGHT 22,303
5 6 ONE DIRECTION UP ALL NIGHT 21,732
— 7 THE WANTED THE WANTED 17,095
6 8 NICKI MINAJ PINK FRIDAY… ROMAN RELOADED 16,465
13 9 LUKE BRYAN TAILGATES & TANLINES 14,561
4 10 TRAIN CALIFORNIA 37 12,486

20 17 THINK LIKE A MAN SOUNDTRACK 8,499

22 19 JASON ALDEAN MY KINDA PARTY 7,834

39 27 KELLY CLARKSON STRONGER 5,741
46 28 BLAKE SHELTON RED RIVER BLUEE 5,080

— 45 MAROON 5 HANDS ALL OVER 2,926

48 47 TYGA CARELESS WORLD 2,764

— 50 MELANIE FIONA THE MF LIFE 2,277

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  • Anonymous

    Juliette Simms’ song she performed on The Voice last night, “It’s a Man’s Man’s Man’s World,” is #6 on the main ITunes chart this morning. I think she had a moment!

  • Avari

    “The chart topper is predicted to be a debuting Jack White for his first time ever.”
     
    Go Jack White! (I love him, I love him, I love his awesome-crazy voice and his poetically ridiculous lyrics and his schizophrenic guitar playing.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    CHR/Pop
    7 7 ONE DIRECTION What Makes You Beaut… 9477 8499 978 62.548
    +134 Spins
    -28 Bullet
    +1.317 AI

    5 8 KELLY CLARKSON Stronger (What Doesn… 8681 9515 -834 67.575
    -110 Spins
    +153 Bullet
    -0.350 AI

    15 12 CARLY RAE JEPSEN Call Me Maybe 6650 5755 895 46.004
    +120 Spins
    0 Bullet
    +1.060 AI

    31 30 CHRIS RENE Young Homie 1520 1376 144 6.316
    -1 Position
    +6 Spins
    -31 Bullet
    +0.059 AI

    HAC
    1 2 KELLY CLARKSON Stronger (What Doesn… 4850 4951 -101 35.045
    -3 Spins
    +22 Bullet
    +0.009 AI

    17 16 ONE DIRECTION What Makes You Beaut… 1575 1048 527 10.474
    +57 Spins
    -2 Bullet
    +0.417 AI

    33 23 CARLY RAE JEPSEN Call Me Maybe 757 459 298 4.446
    +3 Positions
    +28 Spins
    +3 Bullet
    +0.339 AI

    34 33 DAUGHTRY Outta My Head 482 450 32 1.314
    +5 Spins
    +6 Bullet
    -0.034 AI

    37 34 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Good Girl 468 363 105 2.739
    +15 Spins
    +16 Bullet
    +0.099 AI

    42 39 HALEY REINHART Free 325 254 71 0.695
    +13 Spins
    +13 Bullet
    +0.024 AI

    45 40 KRIS ALLEN The Vision Of Love 288 221 67 0.781
    +1 Position
    +13 Spins
    +12 Bullet
    +0.059 AI

    28 41 ADAM LAMBERT Better Than I Know M… 251 592 -341 1.227
    -1 Position
    -32 Spins
    +63 Bullet
    -0.087 AI

    68 50 ADAM LAMBERT Never Close Our Eyes 150 39 111 1.075
    +14 Spins
    +8 Bullet
    +0.045 AI

    AC
    3 2 KELLY CLARKSON Stronger (What Doesn… 1667 1574 93 13.639
    +29 Spins
    +38 Bullet
    +0.245 AI

    7 8 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 1263 1295 -32 9.486
    -1 Position
    -25 Spins
    -37 Bullet
    -0.302 AI

    27 27 ELLIOTT YAMIN 3 Words 72 80 -8 0.027
    -2 Spins
    -3 Bullet
    -0.002 AI

    45 46 KRIS ALLEN The Vision Of Love 15 15 0 0.031
    +2 Positions
    +1 Spin
    +1 Bullet
    +0.004 AI

    47 47 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Good Girl 14 14 0 0.164
    0 Spins
    -1 Bullet
    -0.034 AI

    Country
    7 7 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Good Girl 4914 4647 267 36.869
    +31 Spins
    -15 Bullet
    +0.343 AI

    38 33 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 757 549 208 5.951
    -1 Position
    +21 Spins
    -12 Bullet
    +0.182 AI

    53 49 SCOTTY MCCREERY Water Tower Town 228 156 72 1.008
    +12 Spins
    +5 Bullet
    +0.080 AI

    Urban
    24 34 JENNIFER HUDSON Think Like A Man f/N… 679 1038 -359 3.689
    -1 Position
    -46 Spins
    -15 Bullet
    -0.213 AI

    44 41 MARCUS CANTY Won’t Make A Fool Ou… 605 541 64 1.879
    -1 Spin
    -14 Bullet
    -0.046 AI

    Urban AC
    22 18 RUBEN STUDDARD June 28th (I’m Singl… 395 372 23 2.088
    +2 Spins
    +4 Bullet
    -0.011 AI

    19 21 JENNIFER HUDSON Think Like A Man f/N… 341 446 -105 2.436
    -1 Position
    -29 Spins
    -26 Bullet
    -0.364 AI

    Rhythmic
    45 42 CHRIS RENE Young Homie 505 440 65 1.813
    +15 Spins
    +14 Bullet
    +0.054 AI

    49 49 ONE DIRECTION What Makes You Beaut… 414 382 32 2.138
    +15 Spins
    +24 Bullet
    +0.054 AI

    Christian AC
    38 34 MANDISA Good Morning f/ Toby… 86 72 14 0.431
    +6 Spins
    +8 Bullet
    +0.03 AI

    Smooth Jazz
    35 33 KELLY CLARKSON Mr. Know It All 21 22 -1 0.157
    -2 Positions
    -2 Spins
    -2 Bullet
    -0.025 AI

    Canada-CHR/Pop
    8 8 ONE DIRECTION What Makes You Beaut… 1186 1231 -45 8.899
    -19 Spins
    -21 Bullet
    -0.025 AI

    11 11 CARLY RAE JEPSEN Call Me Maybe 936 1026 -90 5.24
    -18 Spins
    -12 Bullet
    -0.12 AI

    9 12 KELLY CLARKSON Stronger (What Doesn… 856 1130 -274 5.899
    -42 Spins
    +7 Bullet
    -0.288 AI

    31 27 CARLY RAE JEPSEN Curiosity 482 433 49 2.767
    +2 Spins
    -13 Bullet
    +0.012 AI

    39 34 ONE DIRECTION One Thing 334 257 77 2.963
    +2 Positions
    +14 Spins
    +2 Bullet
    +0.092 AI

    Canada-HAC
    1 3 KELLY CLARKSON Stronger (What Doesn… 988 1074 -86 4.423
    -1 Position
    -15 Spins
    -9 Bullet
    -0.047 AI

    7 8 ONE DIRECTION What Makes You Beaut… 692 696 -4 2.692
    -12 Spins
    -21 Bullet
    -0.136 AI

    26 25 CARLY RAE JEPSEN Curiosity 348 304 44 1.789
    +1 Position
    +15 Spins
    +17 Bullet
    +0.014 AI

    63 48 CHER LLOYD Want U Back 68 61 7 0.325

    51 50 ADAM LAMBERT Better Than I Know M… 67 98 -31 0.179
    -3 Spins
    +5 Bullet
    +0.004 AI

    Canada-Main AC
    4 2 KELLY CLARKSON Stronger (What Doesn… 368 362 6 2.485
    -1 Spin
    -4 Bullet
    +0.023 AI

    1 5 CARLY RAE JEPSEN Call Me Maybe 348 381 -33 3.604
    -1 Position
    -5 Spins
    -2 Bullet
    -0.172 AI

    40 24 ONE DIRECTION What Makes You Beaut… 118 51 67 1.283
    +1 Position
    +7 Spins
    -1 Bullet
    +0.043 AI

    88 40 CARLY RAE JEPSEN Curiosity 50 13 37 0.255
    +3 Positions
    +3 Spins
    -3 Bullet
    +0.007 AI

    35 48 REBECCA FERGUSON Nothing’s Real But L… 42 63 -21 1.197
    +1 Spin
    -1 Bullet
    +0.129 AI

    Canada-Country
    2 4 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Good Girl 857 823 34 3.884
    +8 Spins
    -1 Bullet
    -0.001 AI

  • revcat

    Adam Lambert aka Adam Levine? LOL

  • Anonymous

    Adam’s AI broke one million.  That seems fast!  Is NCOE getting many CHR spins?

  • Anonymous

    Yay for Kris’ single getting into the Top 40! Hopefully it can move on up from there. It needs to start getting more daytime spins though — the majority of its spins are overnight and late evening (8 pm-Midnight) ones.

  • http://twitter.com/leilamaurizia2 leilamaurizia

    Carrie’s Blown Away tracks are climbing the iTunes all-genre top 200 songs:

    #33 and #134- Good Girl
    #65- Blown Away
    #99- Good in Goodbye
    #119- See You Again
    #189- Do You Think About Me

  • Anonymous

    I’m going to go to my deathbed not understanding the appeal of Lionel Ritchie seeing country tunes. 

  • Anonymous

    I dont see Scotty in the chart this week…which is a surprise to me because he has been consistently present in the chart since CAD release. He will start performing on the road in two weeks time. I hope this will revive his album sales.

  • Anonymous

    It’s fast in comparison for some of his past songs. Certainly far faster than BTIKM, so that’s good improvement.

    As for CHR spins, NCOE has gotten a handful here and there, but the add date is well off by a month so they’ll likely be testing over that period more than anything else. Some stations, like Q102 in Philadelphia, seem ready to be supportive like always and the song is showing up on a few CHR stations'”spin or bin” sections, so that’s good too. If the song is positioned well on HAC by the add date, it would certainly help with adds/spins on that chart. 

    It’s a wait and see game right now, though.

  • Chrissie H

    “I dont see Scotty in the chart this week…”—————————————————

    I can´t see him either and can´t make sense of it.  His sales were ok on itunes and amazon and went up after he was on TV (HoD).  Strange 

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think NCOE is getting much CHR action (I think only one station added it) but big HAC stations are playing it during the day. That always helps with AI.
    HDD data isn’t complete yet (and only shows the top 50 albums anyway.)

    Scotty’s album sales are slowing as one single is off the chart while the next is moving up more slowly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cathy.mcguirekosak Cathy Mcguire Kosak

    HE’S #49 ON TOP 50 country songs….Scotty is fine ,& totally in control…..”WATER TOWER TOWN “….will BE #1……

  • Anonymous

    Stefano tweeted that his single has dropped on itunes – asking people to buy it and get it back up again.  Anyone know where it is now?  Just wondering how much it dropped, that he decided to tweet that.

  • Anonymous

    Stefano is a 93 on overall chart.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    CHART DATE: 04/30/2012
    LAST UPDATE: 05/01/2012 13:14:12
    NOW IN: FINAL

    LW TW artist / album label power index % change
    — 1 JACK WHITE THIRD MAN/COLUMBIA 127,562–
    BLUNDERBUSS
    3 2 ADELE XL/COLUMBIA 84,447 -5%
    21
    1 3 LIONEL RICHIE MERCURY NASHVILLE 79,185 -29%
    TUSKEGEE
    5 4 ONE DIRECTION SYCO/COLUMBIA 49,170 -9%
    UP ALL NIGHT

    — 5 LEE BRICE CURB 45,386–
    HARD 2 LOVE
    — 6 KIP MOORE MCA NASHVILLE 37,203–
    UP ALL NIGHT
    — 7 THE WANTED MERCURY 34,175–
    THE WANTED
    7 8 GOTYE FAIRFAX/UNIV REPUBLIC 34,157 -18%
    MAKING MIRRORS
    6 9 NICKI MINAJ YM/CM/UNIVERSAL REPUBLIC 32,199 -31%
    PINK FRIDAY… ROMAN RELOADED
    2 10 JASON MRAZ ATLANTIC 29,588 -71%
    LOVE IS A FOUR LETTER WORD

    46 19 BLAKE SHELTON WARNER BROS. NASHVILLE 16,786 +95%
    RED RIVER BLUE

    — 21 MAROON 5 A&M/OCTONE 15,734 —
    HANDS ALL OVER

    20 22 THINK LIKE A MAN EPIC 15,634 +3%
    SOUNDTRACK

    28 24 WHITNEY HOUSTON RCA 14,495 +5%
    WHITNEY – THE GREATEST HITS

    22 27 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 13,807 -6%
    MY KINDA PARTY

    30 30 ADELE XL/COLUMBIA 13,118 -4%
    19

    39 41 KELLY CLARKSON 19/RCA 9,819 -5%
    STRONGER

    48 48 TYGA CASH MONEY/UNIV REPUBLIC 8,069 -1%
    CARELESS WORLD

    — 50 MUMFORD & SONS GLASSNOTE 7,651 —
    SIGH NO MORE

    HDD Sales Chart

  • Anonymous

    Wow, Stefano really knows how to work it. I guess alot of artists tweet the same thing but he seems kind of shameless. ;0 On my iTunes I see Stefano at 53 in Pop and nowhere in the Top 200 overall(but I wasn’t looking too hard).

  • Anonymous

    NCOE hasn’t got CHR traction yet, but the adds date is a ways off. I think the week of the album drop will be big for CHR adds (or at least I am hoping). NCOE is definitely a CHR song (unlike BTIKM) so I feel pretty good about it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    Adds (Monitored)

    Carly Rae Jepsen (14)-CMM
    (13 HAC, 1 CHR/Pop)

    Kelly (13)-MKIA (Country)

    One Direction (12)-OT
    (1 Canada-HAC, 7 Canada-CHR/Pop, 4 CHR/Pop)

    One Direction (10)-WMYB (HAC)

    Carrie (9)-GG
    (1 Canada-HAC, 1 Canada-Main AC, 7 HAC)

    Adam (7)-NCOE
    (2 Canada-HAC, 1 Canada, CHR/Pop, 4 HAC)

    Kellie (7)-100 Proof (Country)

    Scotty (6)-WTT (Country)

    Carly Rae Jepsen (5)-Curiosity
    (4 Canada-HAC, 1 Canada-Main AC)

    Kris (3)-VOL (HAC)

    Chris Rene (2)-YH (CHR/Pop)

    Haley (2)-Free (HAC)

    Kelly (2)-DS (Canada-HAC)

    Kelly (2)-WDKY (AC)

    Cher Lloyd (1)-WUB (Canada-HAC)

    Daughtry (1)-OMH (HAC)

    Mandisa f/Toby Mac (1)-GM (Christian AC)

    Olly Murs (1)-DWMT
    (Canada-Main AC)

    Rebecca Ferguson (1)-NRBL
    (Canada-Main AC)

    Ruben (1)-June 28th (I’m Single)
    (Urban AC)

    Addboard

  • http://twitter.com/graffeodl Dana Graffeo

    When I checked just now Stefano was at #161 overall and #53 Pop.  NCOE dropped out of the top #200 and its a pain in the ass to count the top 400 list as it isn’t numbered.

  • Anonymous

    Well Stefano is probably going to be disappointed – he may not realize that the Idol bump is temporary, and without his song being played on radio who does he think is going to keep buying it right now outside of his core fan base?  Now he will need to get decent radio play to keep the selling up.

  • Mateja Praznik

     I will be honest, I think radio is pretty much done with Idols. A handful of Idols from the earlier seasons got established and they can get radioplay.

    Everyone else, including Adam, Kris, Haley, etc. will get a handful of adds and spins here and there, but not enough to make any kind of impact. And it doesn’t matter if their songs are good or not or if they do any radio promo or not.

    Yeah, Adam’s add date is still 4 weeks away, but it doesn’t look there is any interest on CHR format. I mean, if there is interest, songs appear on TOP 40 chart in a day or two after the release. Not that I expected that from Adam’s single, but there is just no buzz.

  • Tess

    Hell, Stefano’s grasp of reality is pretty non-existant most of the time.  I have never known an Idol contestant to inhale all the smoke blown up his behind like he does.  Someone says it, or he thinks it, and so it is.  I am sure that he thinks his twitter fanbase will dig deep and get him into the top 10…even though the fanbase hasn’t proven it is large and I-tunes no longer “counts” multiple purchases of a digital song.  For me, NAIVE doesn’t even describe Stefano….is their something other than the derogatory words like stupid or dumb that I can use….off to find a thesaurus. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m hoping that too. I really want CHR to give it a chance. He really does need them on board for this one to make an impact. I am happy that things are moving faster on HAC this time around and that hopefully that helps with getting pop adds. Are the slew of radio concerts he’s playing in May HAC or CHR stations? I would think that if top 40 stations are willing to book him for concerts that they have some interest in his music.

  • Anonymous

    Do you mean on CHR, or HAC as well? I would think that if top 40 stations are booking Adam for radio concerts that would be an indication of interest and buzz.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you 100%. I’ve been following Idol singles for quite awhile and we seem to be in a really bad place lately for anyone who isn’t called Kelly (or singing country.)  Even Daughtry is struggling but at least he’s an established artist.

    I don’t think any Idol since S5 has established any longevity on radio. Even the country artists aren’r really killing it on the radio. It’s kind of a downer actually. I don’t see anyone from S10 doing much better.

  • Mateja Praznik

     CHR, HAC and more or less all other formats. Sure, some formats have never been Idol friendly.

    Booking Adam for radio concerts, interviews, etc. means nothing. Radio stations need performers for their concerts and celebrities to interview on air. They need to fill their program and Adam certainly fits. The problem is, radio stations play his song when he stops by, but the rarely add it or spin it much.

  • mmb

    It is just not accurate to say that all songs with CHR interest break into the top 40 a day or two after release. That is true for some of the biggest name, core artists like Rihanna, Usher, Katy, Gaga that burst out with clear channel every hour deals, 100s of adds immediately etc..  But for new artists and artists with one or two hits under their belt, airplay comes a lot more slowly.  A few adds here and there before adds date, a bunch more on adds date, and then if the song catches on more and more come. Then there are songs that do well on the hac or rhythmic or country charts that then cross over.  I agree with you that Idols are having a terrible time with airplay other than the few who established themselves in earlier seasons before the glut of reality singing competition actions.  But not every hit song bursts into the chart at top 40 immediately on impact.  Labels also have their priorities of which singles will be pushed at which times.  There is a reason Adam and kelly’s singles have adds dates in late May and early June while Usher’s was today (not this this is about any of them).  Can only push so many songs at any one time.

  • Anonymous

    So what’s the solution? If it doesn’t matter how good the song is, how talented he is, if he plays their shows, or visits the stations if they aren’t willing to spin his music because of idol overload or whatever does he just give up? Go home and lie down and relinquish his dream of being a pop star because according to a lot of people on this blog without radio you are nothing? I’m still holding out hope that Adam finds a way with or without radio to stay relevant because it is too depressing a thought for someone of his caliber to be vanquished into obscurity. That is the most depressing thought ever.

  • Anonymous

    Stefano’s song will likely slide down iTunes just like pretty much every other Idols’ songs do once the AI performance bump wears off. Tweeting his followers — most of whom probably already bought the single — won’t do much to help sales. Like with most every other song, it will need strong radio play and good promo if it is going to sell/chart well over the long run.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-Kramjet/100003524695403 Roger Kramjet

    I would say Adam is established on radio and they seem to want more of him. Booking him for concerts means they are pretty sure there is interest and a desire to hear him… more than that to see him live in concert. The stations are also excited about the music on Trespassing and I have to agree I am excited as well.
    The first single BTIKM was a hit. People can say it wasn’t but it was a top 20 HAC that I heard on my radio quite a bit. Fans of other artists are happy when there songs hit top 40 HAC so 15 or 17 or whatever BTIKM was at sounds pretty darned good.
    WWFM is still played on the radio after this long which sounds pretty established.
    Adam like many other performers may continue to sell out concerts while needing to work to get played on radio. Touring is where the money is at for an artist so that seems fine. RCA seems to be behind Adam 100%. Maybe they are happy with international sales or preorder numbers for trespassing worldwide. His singles appear to be doing well on the radio internationally according to accounts by fans in several countries. People are certainly scheduling cover shoots for Adam for magazines which is antother way to get your music out there.

     

  • Anonymous

    what is your definition of relevant? There are a ton of relevant musicians who get very little radio play. They win awards, they have loyal fanbases, they sell out tours. They just don’t necessarily sell a ton of albums or singles.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-Kramjet/100003524695403 Roger Kramjet

    I agree if you are not a rab/urban artist and/or you aren’t a woman with your breasts and arse hanging out you don’t get clear channel and radio bending over backwards for you. That says a great deal about radio and what type of agenda they are pushing.

  • Valentin432

    Idol was never a garantee for success.

    In the first five years, Idol produced just one artist who got consistent pop airplay. That’s not a lot and a bunch others (Justin, Tamyra, Diana, Clay, Bo, etc.) who were very talented in their own right never got big time airplay.

    Maybee the fact that people are following the evolution of airplay with daily focus makes everything seems much harder/slower, but back then, an idol single wasn’t much more likely to succeed than it is today.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-Kramjet/100003524695403 Roger Kramjet

    It will never happen. Take a look at how his concerts sell. We want to see him perform live. Radio is such a fickle beast. Artists come in and out of flavor. The game changes and the sound changes but if your fans stick with you and want to hear you and are willing to part with their money to do so you will stick around. Adam has all of those factors in his favor. He will stick around. I flew out to see the Kimmel show from Arizona and I met a lady in line that flew out from TX. We will fly to Europe to see him perform with Queen. If I have my way I will frly to the Ukraine to see him with Queen and Elton John. Adam will be fine and we will be there to watch and listen.

  • Valentin432

    Artists on the top 20 on pop radio right now who don’t fit any of those two categories:
    Fun
    The Wanted
    Gotye
    One Direction
    Kelly C
    Adele
    Calvin Harris
    Justin Bieber
    Carly Rae Jepsen
    David Guetta
    Train
    Maroon 5
    Taylor Swift

  • Mateja Praznik

     I don’t know the solution. I only know what I see and hear over time. I know that CHR playlists are really small and the same songs get played over and over. And sadly, for popstars radioplay is pretty much a must. it’s what makes or breaks careers of major label pop artists.

  • Anonymous

    I get what you mean, some of my favorite artists I have hardly ever heard on radio, Damien Rice, Fiona Apple, Tegan and Sara, the list goes on and on, but I’m talking relevant in the way Adam wants to be. Every interview I’ve ever seen indicates that he wants to be a pop star and that means being played on the radio, in the magazines, and for most of America to know who you are. I know he will always have a career of some sort in music, but I can’t help but think there would be some disappointment from him if he loses that “successful pop star” label. Not that I would care, I will follow him no matter what, I just want him to maintain the level of success that he has always wished for.

  • Anonymous

    I get what you mean, some of my favorite artists I have hardly ever heard on radio, Damien Rice, Fiona Apple, Tegan and Sara, the list goes on and on, but I’m talking relevant in the way Adam wants to be. Every interview I’ve ever seen indicates that he wants to be a pop star and that means being played on the radio, in the magazines, and for most of America to know who you are. I know he will always have a career of some sort in music, but I can’t help but think there would be some disappointment from him if he loses that “successful pop star” label. Not that I would care, I will follow him no matter what, I just want him to maintain the level of success that he has always wished for.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    I agree with you. So many ways to get your name out there besides radio. Not everyone stays on top in radio. Even Gaga had to step away when there was any sniff that people and radio were getting tired of her. Beyonce latest album was a bust compared to her previous. Eventually radio hits go away. Bands like 1 Direction are enjoying their new found fame now but radio will get tired of them to. Just wait. As for Adam, US radio isn’t the end game for him. Would be nice but I like that he has international radio interested him. I prefer that he continues to build a reputation of being a great live performer. Many artists have hit radio singles but can’t fill a venue. Artists don’t see any money selling singles or albums unless your Adele. It’s all on touring, merchandising and private events.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not that pessimistic about idols on the radio.  Unfortunately, I think that they have to fully take advantage of the AI launching pad right after the show, and release songs that can rise on their own, because radio pds aren’t going to play their music just because they are from AI.  This means that if they don’t become established with the first album, the chances of them getting airplay for the second album are very very slim.

    But, even with that, I don’t think it’s a situation where anyone can say that no idols are going to be taken seriously at radio.  Anything can happen, one of them could have a song take off because it’s used in a commercial, tv show, or movie, or they could hookup with an established artist, and come up with a hit song.  

    I do think some things need to change.  The first album needs to be geared towards the music fans who like whatever genre the alum is in, and not the diverse group of AI fans.  Fans have to stop all of the spam voting, and voting in radio polls at stations that aren’t in their area.  I think those two things make it hard for AI alums to be taken seriously by program directors.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    Fun
    The Wanted
    Gotye
    One Direction
    Carly Rae Jepsen

    These artists won’t be around for too long. As hot as Fun and Gotye is right now these acts generally end up being one hit album phenoms. The Wanted and 1 Direction are manufactured boy bands and there 15mts will come and go. Carly maybe.
     

  • Anonymous

    Do you mean on CHR, or HAC as well? I would think that if top 40 stations are booking Adam for radio concerts that would be an indication of interest and buzz.

    Not necessarily.  Radio stations book artists for these shows all of the time, but don’t play their music.  Just like with the interviews, radio stations want to show their listeners that they can get these acts, and they want the labels to pander to them, but the spins may not happen.  Or, even if they do happen, they might occur at times that don’t help the song or artist.

  • Valentin432

    Someone said that

    if you are not a rab/urban artist and/or you aren’t a woman with your
    breasts and arse hanging out you don’t get clear channel and radio
    bending over backwards for you

    Top 40 radio is more than that since over half of the artists I named doesn’t fit in either category.
    And even if Gotye or Fun have an one and done hit, the trend of having hit songs for alternive bands has been seen for several years now between Kings of Leon, Animals, Neon Trees, Hot Chelle Rae, Foster The People, etc.

    I don’t the above quote fits the current landscape of pop radio.

  • http://twitter.com/graffeodl Dana Graffeo

    All I can say is that if by the time this is over radio hasn’t played NCOE then something STINKS because RADIO PD’s picked that song out of 4 songs and gushed about it.  Adam said flat out that NCOE was the second single because that is the one RADIO wanted so now what the hell is their excuse going to be?  If they didn’t think any of the 4 songs would work they should have said so.  Sorry folks in my book it’s time for radio to put up or shut where Adam is concerned.  They got the song THEY wanted so now it’s on them to play the damn thing.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    No doubt there has been a trend with alt bands having hits here and there. So far none of those groups have had a longevity career. They are all pretty recent artists except maybe KOL but when was the last time they had a hit song. KOL history started with them breaking internationally before US radio even took a look at them

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    I think people need to calm down and be patient. The normal doom and gloom naysayers do what they normally do. Even if these Idols get no radio play so what. Their careers no matter how low key or high profile will carry on.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right US radio isn’t the end game for him. I think because Adam has international interest along with a repuation as successful touring artist and electrifying live performer he will continue to be a good investment for RCA even without US radio support. Gigs with and respect from icons with Queen doesn’t hurt either.

  • Anonymous

    In the first five years, Idol produced just one artist who got consistent pop airplay. That’s not a lot and a bunch others (Justin, Tamyra, Diana, Clay, Bo, etc.) who were very talented in their own right never got big time airplay.

    None of those people, with the possible exception of Diana, was going to release music that would have been played on pop stations.   So like Fantasia,  if the music was good, they could have found success on formats that were better fits for their styles.  

    I know that you didn’t say it, but for whoever said that radio ignored Beyonce this time, that’s not true.  She had hits from this album, but they came on Urban formats and not pop, which makes sense, since her latest album was more r&b than pop.  

  • jan

    CHR has other preferred artists besides rap and R&B.

    It likes it’s newer pop stars to be young – Justin Bieber (18), Dev (23), Demi Lovato (20), Selena Gomez (20), Rita Ora (22), Jessie J (24).

    It likes the established female pop stars (Rihanna, Beyonce, Kelly C., Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift)

    Boy bands are also the new thing (The Wanted, One Direction, Hot Chelle Rae). Expect to see more of them in the near future.

    It likes DJS (David Guetta, LFMAO).

    Maroon 5 and Train are the only non-boy bands allowed – for all other bands getting airplay is like winning the lottery.

    Gotye & fun. made that list because their singles had phenomenal sales (top 5 of iTunes for weeks) before they ever had significant airplay. They may not get play for their 2nd singles on CHR radio. Adele also achieved phenomenal sales and airplay on other formats before CHR recognized her. She is now a staple that can be added to female pop star divas.

    I don’t know what will happen with Adam on Top 40 radio yet. It’s too early to tell. The odds are against a new mega pop star breaking out after the age of 30. However, it’s not impossible. Get sales like Gotye or fun. and it could happen.

  • Anonymous

    That’s a passionate response, but I doubt that RCA surveyed every PD.  As I recall, it was the opinion of PDs that caused RCA to change Lee Dewyze’s first single from Live It Up to Sweet Serendipity.  I’m not saying that history will repeat itself, just that there are no guarantees, even when RCA gets the  opinion of those in radio.  

    I think people need to calm down and be patient. The normal doom and gloom naysayers do what they normally do. Even if these Idols get no radio play so what. Their careers no matter how low key or high profile will carry on.  

    I think it’s too early to be overly optimistic and too early to be pessimistic.  Who knows what will happen.  It’s all up to the label and the program directors.  

  • Valentin432

    All those artists released songs that could have been played by pop radio. Pop radio is a melting pot of different genres.
    Clay was insanely popular at that time (arguably more than any contestant in the past 5 years), he didn’t get aiplay even tough he had a huge fanbase.

    I don’t think the crop of artists coming from recent seasons were more “pop” ready, far from it, so I’m not really getting the difference in treatment from the start to now.
    X Factor UK for instance has progressively gone towards a poppier direction and acts like Alexandra Burke, JLS, Olly Murs or 1 Direction, etc. have had big pop hits, which is a contrast to earlier season who produced mainly Shane Ward and Leona.

  • Anonymous

    I am not ready to throw in the towel on radio play for Adam.  He is just too wonderfully talented, smart and charismatic not to make his dreams a reality.  In addition he has a powerful label and many people respected in the industry on his side.  If radio didn’t think he was a draw to their listeners, it would make no sense for them to book him for concerts.  A lot of people who are trying to get radio play would love to be included in these gigs, and I refuse to think they have no meaning.

  • Valentin432

    nvm

  • Anonymous

    Clay had a huge fanbase, but he wasn’t going to get airplay on pop anymore than Taylor Hicks’ was.  Both Clay and Taylor are great examples that radio pds have never been fooled by big AI fanbases, and that they know that many of these fans are fans of the tv star, and not the contestants, and that the fans do not normally listen to pop stations, so why should they program the music of someone like Clay?   

     I’ve always found it funny that people expected the fanbases to sway the opinion of program directors, who want to appeal to people who will listen to their stations all of the time, and not just when their AI fave is on.  The PDs know that these people won’t change their musical tastes, and won’t turn into regular listeners of the station.

    And we’ll just have to disagree, but to my ears what Clay, Bo, and the others that you mentioned, released were not pop songs.  

  • Anonymous

    Nobody said that the concerts and station visits have no meaning.  It’s been said a million times that these things are expensive, so labels would pay for them, if there was no hope that they wouldn’t lead to the PDs playing their artists music.  What has been said, and I guess misinterpreted or completely ignored, is that there are no guarantees that these things will lead to airplay.  

    Someone mentioned Chris Renee earlier, and actually listed the number of stations that he visited that are playing his song, and the ones that haven’t.  Z100 had Adam in to promote BTIKM, but they didn’t play it.  One that I always bring up is that they had John Mayer in to talk about the first single from his last album, and they had him perform at the Jingle Ball that year, but they never played the song.

    KIIS in LA had Matthew Morrison play their Wango Tango concert, but they never played his music, and would never play any song that he released.  His music just doesn’t fit their format.  But, they were happy to have the guy from Glee show up for their event.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MV64BS4FSISCASL4P656RXAFYQ Kayla

    True, there are no guarantees in radio, it’s a gamble and all the labels and the stations are fully aware of how it works. But hopefully if a label books enough radio station events for an artist, at least some of those stations will get on board provided they don’t hate the song. To use Adam as an example, a couple of the stations he is doing radio concerts for have jumped on NCOE early. And a couple of the stations he visited in San Francisco are early adopters as well, and this particular market did not really get on board with Adam until late in the game during the FYE era.

    So it’s not hopeless or anything, but sometimes it requires more patience than fans seem to have to build up a song’s presence on radio.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MV64BS4FSISCASL4P656RXAFYQ Kayla

    True, there are no guarantees in radio, it’s a gamble and all the labels and the stations are fully aware of how it works. But hopefully if a label books enough radio station events for an artist, at least some of those stations will get on board provided they don’t hate the song. To use Adam as an example, a couple of the stations he is doing radio concerts for have jumped on NCOE early. And a couple of the stations he visited in San Francisco are early adopters as well, and this particular market did not really get on board with Adam until late in the game during the FYE era.

    So it’s not hopeless or anything, but sometimes it requires more patience than fans seem to have to build up a song’s presence on radio.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MV64BS4FSISCASL4P656RXAFYQ Kayla

    True, there are no guarantees in radio, it’s a gamble and all the labels and the stations are fully aware of how it works. But hopefully if a label books enough radio station events for an artist, at least some of those stations will get on board provided they don’t hate the song. To use Adam as an example, a couple of the stations he is doing radio concerts for have jumped on NCOE early. And a couple of the stations he visited in San Francisco are early adopters as well, and this particular market did not really get on board with Adam until late in the game during the FYE era.

    So it’s not hopeless or anything, but sometimes it requires more patience than fans seem to have to build up a song’s presence on radio.

  • TLKC

    LOL I’m going to the Queen concerts in the UK, too. And I’ll probably buy his UK single with the two extra tracks on it as well. I know a lot of fans who are travelling this summer to see him in concert somewhere, even if it’s only a radio concert with a few songs. He gave one concert last summer – in Quebec – and 8800 of us showed up.

    Whatever happens, he’ll do alright.

  • TLKC

    I’m voting for and requesting Adam’s new single on my local radio station every day (I’m writing in NCOE, even though BTIKM is at #10) and no amount of people running around saying it won’t change anything will stop me.

    NCOE is very catchy, has gotten some very nice reviews and Adam has a pretty good track record with Top 40 and HAC radio (WWFM and IIHY to a lesser extent.)

    The fact that he is out there giving radio concerts means he’s courting them and I’m not going to let down the back end of his efforts by sitting on my hands. It may not get play if we vote but it definitely won’t get play if we don’t.

    Scr*w the other factors. We can’t control the other factors.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure Stefanos song will slide down, but it got higher than I thought it would and it his idol bump sure lasted longer than a few other idol bumps. He may do well with it. :)

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure Stefanos song will slide down, but it got higher than I thought it would and it his idol bump sure lasted longer than a few other idol bumps. He may do well with it. :)

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    At first I didn’t like Stefano’s song but after a few listens I think it can do very well. It kind of fits with everything that’s out there he just needs radio to jump on board.

  • http://twitter.com/whiskey401 Whiskey

    At first I didn’t like Stefano’s song but after a few listens I think it can do very well. It kind of fits with everything that’s out there he just needs radio to jump on board.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I think it’s too early to be overly optimistic and too early to be pessimistic. Who knows what will happen. It’s all up to the label and the program directors.

    With the large majority of singles sent to radio, the first two weeks is almost always too early to be OVERLY optimistic. It’s not too early, however, to be optimistic for NCOE. It is showing some good signs of growth early on and there are many good promo opportunities scheduled over the next three weeks that could possibly have a positive effect on this single.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Throw in the towel? The song has been out at radio stations for less than two weeks! We are still being patient and trying to be optimistic with songs that have been out for two months with lower AIs than NCOE has. We should give this song at least that much time. 
    NCOE has some early adds, a healthy bullet and AI. It is doing well in Canada. These are things to be optimistic about.

  • TLKC

    Adam’s new cd has signage in Walmart. It’s featured along with the Glee cd so it will be around for a while. Not everyone gets that sort of product placement. It’s a sign that RCA is making the effort and that at least one big retailer is receptive to his marketability.

    Just another sign that Adam’s fans should be putting in a supportive effort.

  • Anonymous

    I agree! It’s never a guarantee, lol! They need people for their concerts and usually people they think their listeners want to see perform but sometimes they play their songs, sometimes they don’t. Chris Rene already have 10 radio concerts scheduled for May -July, luckily all those stations are playing him.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I don’t think there have been a lot of Idols releasing slam dunk radio singles lately, so I don’t think its all radio’s fault. Most of the songs have been good songs/so-so singles IMO.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think there have been a lot of Idols releasing slam dunk radio singles lately, so I don’t think its all radio’s fault. Most of the songs have been good songs/so-so singles IMO.

    This is true, and it’s always been the case.  The names that were thrown out yesterday, Diana, Bo, Clay and others, just show that the AI label has never been a guarantee that someone would get airplay.  Despite how everyone’s favorite idol alum is the greatest singer ever, the alums still have to have good songs and the support of their labels and management.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MV64BS4FSISCASL4P656RXAFYQ Kayla

    If you’re talking about the signage for Trespassing someone spotted yesterday, FYI it was in a Target store not a Walmart, just for accuracy’s sake.

    http://twitpic.com/9g6xqy

  • YankeeFan08

    There is signage for Trespassing in Walmart as well as Target.