HDD – Album Sales Prediction – Jan 3-9

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It seems that Country has returned to its dominating ways. Q4 of 2010 was chock full of major Country artists releasing CDs so it’s no surprise that Country acts are still all over the HDD chart, but also holding 4 of the top 10 spots. Of course, holding number 1 spot since vanquishing Cowell’s British Songbird and Cat-Lady SuBo is the teen Country sensation Taylor Swift (she hasn’t been a teen since 2009, but it’s hard not to still think of her that way).

Holding down the number two and ten spots is Lady Antebelleum. Perhaps the most surprising thing about that is that it is their Christmas album that’s at number 2. What’s up with that? Who buys Christmas albums in January? Was there a big sale? Is the title “Merry Little Christmas” a Trojan title and it’s really full of non-Christmas music? Were people stocking up on Christmas albums like they were wrapping paper? Is Lady Antebellum popular with Eastern Orthodox people? I do not know.

Number three is held by Jason Aldean who seems to really have put together an album with legs. To be honest, he was way below my radar before he decided to duet with Kelly Clarkson at a Country awards ceremony (that format seems to have awards shows almost weekly, so don’t ask me which one). That duet appears on the album and is number 17 on the Country chart so our original recipe Idol is helping to move those units.

Finally, breaking through the country artists are a couple of rappers. Newcomer Nicki Minaj is at number 4 and old-timer Eminem is at number 5. Kid Rock continues the country tradition at number 6, Bruno Mars has the same place he had last week at number 7, R. Kelly has put his reputation behind him at number 8 and Katy Perry may not be able to sing but she can move albums so she’s still at number 9.

Now, where are those Idols (other then the aforementioned Miss Clarkson)? Crystal Bowersox seems to be sticking around with her album sitting at 43 (up from 48 last week) on the chart. Daughtry and Adam appear on the Now 36 album, now at 14 on the chart. And Jordin has a collaboration on the Big Time Rush album BTR at 44.

Only 40.05% of the vendors have reported in and the initial reports tend to come from the more country leaning vendors so we still have a lot of chart watching to do before the end of the day.

This is the daily numbers thread – the thread for Doo-Wops and Hooligans alike. Which are you?

CHART DATE: 01/10/2011
LAST UPDATE: 01/10/2011 13:51:50
NOW IN: 40.05%

LW TW artist / album label power index
1 1 TAYLOR SWIFT SPEAK NOW 28,436
– 2 LADY ANTEBELLUM MERRY LITTLE CHRISTMAS 14,613
11 3 JASON ALDEAN MY KINDA PARTY 14,335
5 4 NICKI MINAJ PINK FRIDAY 13,461
2 5 EMINEM RECOVERY 11,931
18 6 KID ROCK BORN FREE 10,309
7 7 BRUNO MARS DOO-WOPS & HOOLIGANS 10,305
14 8 R. KELLY LOVE LETTER 10,215
9 9 KATY PERRY TEENAGE DREAM 9,245
28 10 LADY ANTEBELLUM NEED YOU NOW 9,108

26 14 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 36 VARIOUS ARTISTS 6,835

20 37 GLEE CAST GLEE: THE MUSIC, VOL. 4 3,281

48 43 CRYSTAL BOWERSOX FARMER’S DAUGHTER 3,038
22 44 BIG TIME RUSH BTR 2,974

 
  • Elliegrll

    Since MJ posted Britney Spears’ new song yesterday, it’s nice to see what happened to it. From: Pop Watch

    Not only did Britney’s new single “Hold It Against Me” rocket to the number one spot on iTunes’ singles chart, but it got there in less than eight hours. The only other artist to claim the spot faster was Taylor Swift, with her song “Mine,” which got there in a little under six hours last August.

    But Brit’s appeal spans the globe as well, with the song claiming number one spots in ten other countries. A figure that keeps rising with every additional hour the song is available for download.

    In the world of radio, the track hit a record breaking 705 spins its first day, decimating Mariah Carey’s “Touch My Body,” which held the throne with 498 spins back in 2009. Overall it is Britney’s most played, best selling debut to date.

  • windmills

    Kirsten: Number three is held by Jason Aldean who seems to really have put together an album with legs. . To be honest, he was way below my radar before he decided to duet with Kelly Clarkson at a Country awards ceremony (that format seems to have awards shows almost weekly, so don’t ask me which one).

    They performed on the CMAs in November. There are no more country music awards show than there are pop music awards shows. The AMAs this year didn’t even have any country acts other than Taylor Swift who’s basically pop. I know you were probably trying to be funny and didn’t mean any harm but this and other memes are often used to knock country music and act like it’s out there so I’m a little tired of it.

    Jason Aldean had 3 #1s and a #2 country hit off his last album which has sold over 1.3 million copies in the US. He’s also nominated for top new touring artist by Pollstar and he was 1 of the 5 acts honored as CMT Artist Of The Year in 2010. He’s been a big deal in country for a while even though he’s been snubbed for nominations by both the industry organizations (the Academy Of Country Music and the Country Music Association). The Kelly duet’s doing a good job of getting him more mainstream recognition though and his single My Kinda Party is still top 10 country even with the duet on the move in the top 20. He’s getting too big for the industry organizations to ignore him.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    He’s been a big deal in country for a while even though he’s been snubbed for nominations by both the industry organizations (the Academy Of Country Music and the Country Music Association).

    I don’t follow country music, windmills. Is there any reason for the snub?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Overall it is Britney’s most played, best selling debut to date.

    Wow! It’s my least favorite Britney song to date.

  • Trina

    I was up all night watching the worldwide Britney itunes invasion haha. Just unfreakinbelievable! The spins are amazing too. The adds for this are going to be INSANE!

  • Mary102

    The Britney song is actually quite terrible – particularly because it sounds so dated. It will be interesting to see where it goes from here. I think that essentialy Britney is able to sell the brand at this point, rather than, necessarily, the song.

  • Miss Blue

    Pretty sad commentary on the state of music, when the crap Britney song moves like that. And since when is Kid Rock country? I love him, have all his CDs, and I happen to love country music, and he is not a country music act.

    Glad to see Crystal is still in it. I like her CD more every time I listen to it.

  • Tess

    I think Britney and her “current” success and the interest shown in her new song really does prove the point that the current recording industry is much more about celebritism than about talent.

    I would bet a week’s wages that very few peeps are listening to the song before buying it…because they aren’t buying the song they are buying a piece of Britney. Many peeps feel they “know” Britney…and they identify with her in some obscure manner.

    In order to have success in today’s climate someone, apparently, needs to wiggle their way into the public consciousness. Be it by being a gossip magnet, or dropping your kids, or shaving your hair, or acting like white trash 24/7, or exposing yourself (literally) to the paps…it’s all good in the end ’cause it sells records. Britney is the sad example that the music buying public is as messed up as the Artists who satisfy their needs.

  • aa618892

    I don’t expect Britney songs to be art or sung well but I do expect them to be catchy, great to dance to and total earworms. This new song is none of these. I am very disappointed and I can’t believe the spins and iTunes placement. This is solely because it is Britney not because the song is worth it. Very disappointed.

  • Valentin432

    They performed on the CMAs in November. There are no more country music awards show than there are pop music awards shows. The AMAs this year didn’t even have any country acts other than Taylor Swift who’s basically pop.

    Country music has the ACA’s, CMA’s and the new one (I forgot the name) that are stricly country. They also have some kind of deal with ABC that airs special shows devoted to country music.
    There aren’t any award shows that are only devoted to pop music. The closest would be something like the VMA’s but it’s open to all type of genres too. The AMA’s also recognize country artist and last year, both Carrie and Keith performed.

    I disagree with your statement on Taylor Swift too. She charts higher in the country charts than on top 40, her sound is far from anything that has success on pop and she is recognized by the country establishment.
    Taylor herself would say that she’s a country singer.

  • windmills

    fuzzywuzzy: I don’t follow country music, windmills. Is there any reason for the snub?

    There’s a few reasons. First off Jason doesn’t exactly make critically acclaimed music and he can rightly be accused of putting out different versions of the same rock country song for many of his singles (Hicktown, She’s Country, Crazy Town, My Kinda Party). His albums are usually better and a little more diverse than his singles. He’s not a GREAT singer but not a terrible one either.

    There’s the political aspect that Jason’s on an indie label. He’s caught on and become very popular but politically it’s easier to get a lot of support if you’re on a major label. Before the CMAs last year there was a big AP article questioning the nominations and they got Jason on the record saying the nominations were political and nominations are basically whoever the industry decides it wants to get behind in any given year. That could be dangerous in that the industry might hold his comments against him but on the other hand they got a lot of acts on the record saying that the nominations at the CMAs were screwed up so maybe not. Like I was saying with his sales and success at radio it’s getting to the point where it’ll be hard for the industry to ignore him. Though Rascal Flatts has been having a tough time getting industry love for years too despite their sales and they’re not critically acclaimed either.

    Miss Blue: And since when is Kid Rock country? I love him, have all his CDs, and I happen to love country music, and he is not a country music act.

    I agree he’s not country but he’s been marketed there some. These days there’s a distinction between being in the country market and being a country artist. There are lots of acts in the country market who aren’t country artists and it seems like Crystal might be in that group among others.

  • sr4mjc

    Might not be Britney numbers but I’m really happy to see this on CHR. Over 1300 bullet! At least Pink can sing.

    47 26 PINK F**kin’ Perfect (Perfect) 1904 572 1332 11.476

    +254 spins
    +209 bullet
    + 1.459 AI

    I don’t expect Britney songs to be art or sung well but I do expect them to be catchy, great to dance to and total earworms. This new song is none of these.

    This is my issue as well. The song just isn’t good.

  • Valentin432

    I think Britney and her “current” success and the interest shown in her new song really does prove the point that the current recording industry is much more about celebritism than about talent.

    Britney has been successfull since the late 90′s. So it’s not exactly a “new” phenomenon.

    In order to have success in today’s climate someone, apparently, needs to wiggle their way into the public consciousness. Be it by being a gossip magnet, or dropping your kids, or shaving your hair, or acting like white trash 24/7, or exposing yourself (literally) to the paps…it’s all good in the end ’cause it sells records. Britney is the sad example that the music buying public is as messed up as the Artists who satisfy their needs.

    I don’t know if that’s true.
    The peak of Britney’s carreer was when she was the squeaky clean “virgin” that was the role model for every teen out there.
    Her album sales suffered a bit (altough still remaining strong) when all those scandals occured.

    As for the song in itself, I don’t like it but it has garnered a lot of positive reviews and Britney team did a great job with all the hype around the song.

  • Elliegrll

    I would bet a week’s wages that very few peeps are listening to the song before buying it…because they aren’t buying the song they are buying a piece of Britney.

    This isn’t too different than how AI works, or how or why AI viewers buy the debut cds of alums. For AI fans, the first thought is about supporting the artist, even if they don’t like the music.

    I also don’t think this is any different than how it’s always been in music. Those who have the most exposure and name recognition are going to do better than those who don’t, even if the more under the radar artists are just as or more talented. This isn’t something that’s just relegated to pop music, even Carrie Underwood is buildig a brand name. Her songs won’t shoot up to the top of itunes, but, for the most part, PDs will jump on any song that she releases, and play it without the label having to do a lot of pushing.

  • windmills

    Valentin432: Country music has the ACA’s, CMA’s and the new one (I forgot the name) that are stricly country. They also have some kind of deal with ABC that airs special shows devoted to country music.

    I was referring to awards shows only. The ACAs ARE the new awards show. The ACMs are the rival organization to the CMAs.

    Valentin432: There aren’t any award shows that are only devoted to pop music. The closest would be something like the VMA’s but it’s open to all type of genres too. The AMA’s also recognize country artist and last year, both Carrie and Keith performed.

    The VMAs, Teen Choice Awards, and Kids Choice Awards are all pop shows. The MTV Movie Awards also only grant performances to pop acts. Like I said the AMAs had no country this year and even in other years the country representation is a token 10% of the performances with another token 10% for rock compared to 50-60% if not more for CHR/HAC acts with the remaining 20-30% for R&B with pop crossover appeal. It’s basically a pop show too. The Grammys lately have been spreading out between genres more evenly.

    Valentin432: I disagree with your statement on Taylor Swift too. She charts higher in the country charts than on top 40, her sound is far from anything that has success on pop and she is recognized by the country establishment.
    Taylor herself would say that she’s a country singer.

    She doesn’t these days and it is widely recognized that both Fearless and her current album are basically pop albums (especially her current album). For instance All Music Guide said Fearless was the best mainstream pop album of 2008. The New York Times review and many many others talked about Speak Now as a pop album with 1 country song. Taylor’s music is also far from anything on country.

    As far as the charts see my above statement about how more and more people are marketing to country fans without making country music. Too, Taylor’s songs are getting higher audience impressions on the pop charts than country.

  • Valentin432

    The VMAs, Teen Choice Awards, and Kids Choice Awards are all pop shows. The MTV Movie Awards also only grant performances to pop acts. Like I said the AMAs had no country this year and even in other years the country representation is a token 10% of the performances with another token 10% for rock compared to 50-60% if not more for CHR/HAC acts with the remaining 20-30% for R&B with pop crossover appeal. It’s basically a pop show too. The Grammys lately have been spreading out between genres more evenly

    I think you’re generalizing here a bit, I don’t follow either the teen or kids choice awards, so I won’t comment on them.
    After that it really comes down to what you consider pop or not. All those shows that you mention have a rock and rap category. Do you consider Eminem or Green Day pop artists? I don’t.

    Furthermore, even if they have more pop performers, the awards are still divided between, rock, pop, country and R&B acts. Unless I’m mistaken, during the AMA’s, there were more country artists recognized during the telecast (Taylor, Brad and Lady A) than any other category.
    The funny thing related to another discussion here is that Jason was actually nominated for an AMA’s when he didn’t get any kind of recognition from both ACA’s and CMA’s
    That’s what separates those shows from country award shows where no performer will be nominated or awarded unless they are part of the country music industry.

    She doesn’t these days and it is widely recognized that both Fearless and her current album are basically pop albums (especially her current album). For instance All Music Guide said Fearless was the best mainstream pop album of 2008. The New York Times review and many many others talked about Speak Now as a pop album with 1 country song. Taylor’s music is also far from anything on country.

    We could go on and on about wheter Taylor is more pop or more country. I think she’s achieving her success because she’s both and been marketed successfully to both audiences. She has a Nashville label, she is featured on any site/publication/awards shows devoted to country music and she has songs that do great on country radio, her new one is even n°1 on the callout chart and has a great shot at reaching the n°1 spot, when she will be lucky to sniff a top 5 spot on top 40.

    ETA: I went to the teen awards show page, and they also have awards for country artists. Carrie was nominated for a lot of them, so it’s not a “pop” only show either

  • windmills

    Valentin432: I think where we differ is I’m characterizing these shows based the performance slots which are the real promo spots on TV. You won’t see country performances on the teen/kids shows and you see very little on the AMAs.

    Valentin432: when she will be lucky to sniff a top 5 spot on top 40.

    But she’ll do far better on other pop formats including HAC and AC right? Mine actually did better on AC than country and it needed a gargantuan 1 week push to peak inside the top 5 on country.

    Valentin432: Do you consider Eminem or Green Day pop artists? I don’t.

    I didn’t count Green Day as pop, I classified them as the token rock act. I did count Jay-Z as pop though because the performance in question was Empire State Of Mind with Alicia Keys.

  • girlygirl

    iTunes

    Sweet Serendipity – #557
    Farmer’s Daughter – not in Top 1000

    albums

    Farmer’s Daughter – #73/#626
    Live It Up – #241

  • MalwareDie

    Basically agree with windmills as usual. Shows like the AMAs are Top 40 shows at their core.

    And Taylor Swift’s material is teen pop. Being on a Nashville label does not automatically make one a country artist. She makes no effort to release material that can be considered country music, and shows very little to absolutely no knowledge of country music. Her success on country radio is due to the power of significant label push and a portion of DJs themselves that wish to stay “hip,” and try to attract other audiences that don’t support country music in any way, and that is why her singles rocket down the chart much, much faster than other artists after they peak.

  • Chicagolaw

    I don’t know, I’m not a country fan, but it sure felt like there was a country awards show being televised every other week last fall, lol. And, country acts do get recognized on the AMAs (Taylor, Carrie, ect) and the Grammys.

  • girlygirl

    Mediabase HOT AC

    25 24 LEE DEWYZE Sweet Serendipity 828 772 56 2.293
    50 47 SANTANA Photograph f/Chris Daughtry 197 193 4 0.415

  • girlygirl

    If Taylor Swift isn’t country (to me she’s country pop) why has she won all those CMAs and other Country music awards?

  • MalwareDie

    Commercial success talks.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    The Guardian:RIP rock’n'roll? Professor of pop reads the last rites

    Rock songs in the charts fall to lowest level in 50 years, with only three tracks appearing in the top 100 best-sellers

    The percentage of rock songs plummeted from a sickly 13% in 2009 to a terminal 3% – far behind hip-hop/R’n'B at 47%, pop at 40% and dance 10%, according to figures from MusicWeek.

    The news that the best performing rock song of 2010 was Don’t Stop Believin’, a 30-year-old track from the veteran rock act Journey made popular by US television show Glee, added a further nail to the coffin. “It is the end of the rock era. It’s over, in the same way the jazz era is over,” declared the veteran DJ and “professor of pop” Paul Gambaccini. “That doesn’t mean there will be no more good rock musicians, but rock as a prevailing style is part of music history.”

    The problem lay, in part, with shortsighted record labels investing less in the talent of the future and more in instantly profitable acts such as former X Factor stars, said Gambaccini. “I feel sorry for rock artists today, because record labels have started chasing the quarter-term profit rather than long-term development.”

    The other two rock songs to make it into the top 100 of the year were Hey, Soul Sister by Train and Dog Days are Over by Florence + the Machine.

  • Elliegrll

    And Taylor Swift’s material is teen pop. Being on a Nashville label does not automatically make one a country artist.

    I read a debate between to CHR/top 40 djs over whether or not Taylor Swift is a pop singer, and even though they disagreed over whether or not her music should be played on pop stations, both seemed to agree that it’s her celebrity, not her style of music, that is making her a pop artist. That’s pretty much what pop music is about. Taylor is insanely popular, so the PDs in the Pop and country format are going to play her music, and the same thing happened with Lady Antebellum last year. They had two albums in the Billboard top 50, which played a greater role in PDs playing “Need You Now” than that song being pop radio friendly, which it isn’t.

  • Chicagolaw

    Is Gambaccini actually blaming the demise of Rock on reality music shows???Because it is a heck of a lot more complicated than that, lol.

  • Keel

    I agree with mj and Valentin432. There are a lot of country ONLY award shows, and for the industry-wide award shows, there are certainly country categories in many of them (as well as others), so to call them pop only is not actually true. And yes, there are a lot of pop acts but the audience impression for radio has a lot of pop-listening ears (compared to other ears) so that’s what they’ll play. (NOTE: There are also lots of country ears, and that’s why there are lots of country only award shows.) In addition, the pages of gossip magazines are filled with coverage of pop acts, so that’s who the audience will recognize. I mean, no one said it was supposed to be fair.

    And yeah, the performance slots for genres other than pop WILL be token (country, rock, rap, etc.), and that’s because most of the audience will be of the pop-listening (if not always pop-buying) variety, but hey, at least they’ll have other genres on there, versus country award shows, who may have token visits from other genres but they are generally singing something that is country or tries to be country.

    You really can’t convince me that there are NOT a LOT LOT LOT of country (only) award shows every year. Because there just are.

  • tinawina

    “It is the end of the rock era. It’s over, in the same way the jazz era is over,” declared the veteran DJ and “professor of pop” Paul Gambaccini. “That doesn’t mean there will be no more good rock musicians, but rock as a prevailing style is part of music history.”

    I think that is a bit of an overstatement. LOL. It will come back, everything always does. But it sure is on the outs right now!

  • koshka

    You really can’t convince me that there are NOT a LOT LOT LOT of country (only) award shows every year. Because there just are.

    But they all feel really good about it. ;) Isn’t that what its all about?

  • Incipit

    It will come back, everything always does. But it sure is on the outs right now!

    Heh. From your mouth to the music industry’s ear, Tinawina!

    I’ve been seriously screwed, blued and tattooed when it comes to all this popular stuff for many years – because I don’t like country and I can’t stand most all pop – and what they call rock nowadays is alien to me. I’m certainly not the only one – we find our music elsewhere. (Including Jazz, which is actually not dead) But, hope springs eternal, and like that. *snerk*

  • Valentin432

    Valentin432: I think where we differ is I’m characterizing these shows based the performance slots which are the real promo spots on TV. You won’t see country performances on the teen/kids shows and you see very little on the AMAs.

    IA, based on performances AMA’s and VMA’s are mostly pop centric, based on awards given, it’s a melting pot.

    But she’ll do far better on other pop formats including HAC and AC right? Mine actually did better on AC than country and it needed a gargantuan 1 week push to peak inside the top 5 on country.

    I don’t stan Taylor and her accomplishments, but if she goes n°1 or n°2 on country I doubt she does far better than that on any other formats.

    Since the beginning, Taylor was a country artist. Her first single was called “Tim McGraw” and did great in the country charts for a “new” artist first single.
    Then, because she became widely popular, pop started to play her. Her sound may not be “country”, but it sure isn’t the brand of electro pop or RnB/Hip hop that pd’s have in high rotation right now.

  • standtotheright

    I did count Jay-Z as pop though because the performance in question was Empire State Of Mind with Alicia Keys.

    We’re even downgrading ESOM from “token R&B” now? What exactly did that song do to people? Key their cars?

    and what they call rock nowadays is alien to me

    I find this so unfortunate, as my local alt station has finally realized that it couldn’t just keep playing the same 20-year old songs and the most aggro-sludge successors and has been dipping into more experimental and indie rock, and I’m giddy about it. I would hope you’d give some of the bands a fighting chance.

  • tinawina

    I’ve been seriously screwed, blued and tattooed when it comes to all this popular stuff for many years – because I don’t like country and I can’t stand pop – and what they call rock nowadays is alien to me.

    The pop charts have always been a mix of teen pop, regular pop, rock and “urban” (r&B, hip-hop, reggae, or whatever black teens are into at the moment LOL) – with sometimes dance club stuff sneaking in. And it rotates as to who is most popular at any given moment. I don’t know why people act like this is a new thing. LOL. In 5 years we’ll all be complaining how (whatever) is too popular and (whatever) is dead. Meanwhile, people will still be making all kinds of music and someone, somewhere will be buying it. Such is life.

    But Country is like in its own category, one or 2 people make an appearance on the pop chart every few years then it goes away again. Its like they send an ambassador over every once in a while. :D

  • windmills

    Keel: You really can’t convince me that there are NOT a LOT LOT LOT of country (only) award shows every year. Because there just are.

    That wasn’t my point. My point is there are just as many pop awards shows. I didn’t even bring up the fact that there are a number of hip hop/urban only awards shows (3 off the top of my head). The implication that country’s unique because it has a bunch of awards shows is what I’m arguing against.

    Valentin432: I don’t stan Taylor and her accomplishments, but if she goes n°1 or n°2 on country I doubt she does far better than that on any other formats.

    She doesn’t always go #1 or #2 country. Interestingly enough Mine struggled to even make the top 5 on country and then got a 1 week Garth Brooks-size push to get its peak. But I was responding to your t40 point anyway to point out there are pop formats that she soars up without any problems – even easier than she goes up country format in the case of Mine.

    Valentin432: Since the beginning, Taylor was a country artist.

    Change your “Since” to “At” and I’ll agree with you because Tim McGraw was a country pop song. The rest of her stuff? Pop, poppier, and even more poppierer ;)

    Valentin432: Her sound may not be “country”, but it sure isn’t the brand of electro pop or RnB/Hip hop that pd’s have in high rotation right now.

    My thing is I don’t identify a genre based on radio fads. Pop is always changing. Celine Dion couldn’t get a sniff at CHR these days. Neither could Bryan Adams.* Does that mean if somebody today makes music that sounds like them it’s not pop? Not in my world. Even an executive at Universal (TSwift’s pop label) was quoted back when Fearless came out saying he considers Taylor’s music pop a la Avril Lavigne/Miley Cyrus, not country. It may not sound like What The Hell but you go back a couple Avril albums and that sounds a lot like what Taylor’s doing right now. I’d even say a lot of her stuff if it were way better sung sounds like it could be on Breakaway.

    standtotheright: We’re even downgrading ESOM from “token R&B” now? What exactly did that song do to people? Key their cars?

    LOL! I counted Alicia’s other performance Try Sleeping With A Broken Heart as token R&B. ESOM is arguable, I’ll give you that.

    * I don’t know why I picked 2 Canadians. I swear it was random. Sorry to Kirsten and our other noble Canadians.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Rock bands accounted for 27% of the top 100 best-selling albums, down just one percentage point on 2009. This is, in part, because rock fans are more likely to buy albums – at the cheapest level since their invention – rather than singles, said Tony Wadsworth, chairman of the BPI, the record industry body. “We are seeing genres falling in place with formats. Rock isn’t dead if you look at album sales.”

    Y’know, a disconnect between the top of the CHR charts for singles and the top of the album sales chart existed 15 years ago. It seems to be news now largely because album sales are down, so we have neither the pattern of the early 1990s (huge alt-rock albums that rely on rock radio play) nor of the early 1980s (huge pop-rock singles connected to huge pop-rock albums).

    (The project linked above is, by the way, a wiki precisely so that interested number nerds can contribute, if you like. And yes, I realize there are limits to what one finds looking at #1 hits. (Disclaimer here.)

    We’re even downgrading ESOM from “token R&B” now? What exactly did that song do to people? Key their cars?

    Dirtied their windshields under the pretext of “washing” them while the car was stopped at a light right before the expressway entrance ramp. That’s the NYC way.

  • cwm

    2010 top 100 songs countdown from Singapore here:
    http://www.radio913.com/details/event_id/775

    Adam Lambert
    -#8 WWFM
    -#33 Fever
    -#41 IIHY

    Allison Iraheta with Orianthi
    -#11 Don’t Waste the Pretty

    Kelly Clarkson
    -#40 All I Ever Wanted

    David Archuleta
    -#45 Something ‘Bout Love
    -#78 Elevator

    Jordin Sparks
    -#72 Don’t Let it Go to Your Head

    Daughtry
    -#80 September

    Allison’s placement was the biggest surprise to me. I had no idea that she did that well in Singapore.

    Also, it was nice to see Fever do so well for Adam in Singapore. That was a surprise as well- I didn’t realize they had released Fever there.

  • Keel

    That wasn’t my point. My point is there are just as many pop awards shows.

    Okay, but the pop awards shows aren’t pop (only) awards shows and that was part of my post as well. Other genres are featured as well. So other types of musicians get a chance to promo their product (as well as pat themselves on the back). Lady Antebellum certainly got a boost on the Grammys last year as I recall, and they’re not pop. I think the number of country (only) awards shows do help country artists in the number of promo opportunities they get to have in front of a huge audience (as well as pat themselves on the back).

    ETA: Anyway, I don’t understand the big deal about the observation that there are a lot of country (only) awards shows compared to other genres. I think it’s a great way for country artists to highlight themselves and their genre throughout the year. If country peeps think that multi-genre award shows are focusing too much on pop or rap or rock, and country artists are feeling left out, then good on them (and the various country musicians’ organizations) for hosting their own awards shows so their artists get a chance to be featured and promoted throughout the year. I think the great coup has been that the country (only) awards shows are getting televised — and for that to happen, there must be enough of an audience for the networks and cable channels to invest in those telecasts.

  • Kitwana

    2010 top 100 songs countdown from Singapore here:
    http://www.radio913.com/details/event_id/775

    The #11 is impressive for Allison. Is the list equivalent to the Billboard chart in the U.S.?

  • Chicagolaw

    There are also a lot of country music shows televised—there was a Christmas variety show this past fall, Carrie did one the year before, a Sugarland televised concert (which I will never forget since they butchered one of the greatest REM songs ever). Country gets a load of TV exposure.

  • Valentin432

    Even an executive at Universal (TSwift’s pop label) was quoted back when Fearless came out saying he considers Taylor’s music pop a la Avril Lavigne/Miley Cyrus, not country. It may not sound like What The Hell but you go back a couple Avril albums and that sounds a lot like what Taylor’s doing right now. I’d even say a lot of her stuff if it were way better sung sounds like it could be on Breakaway.

    I am going to disagree with you (and apparently with some executive at universal) on this one, the production and instrumentation I’ve heard from Taylor singles has nothing in common with what is on Under My Skin/Let Go or Breakaway. There is no heavy use of electric guitars or drums on the songs I’ve heard from Taylor and I will have a hard time imagining where Back To December or You Belong With Me would fit on either album (if they changed the title to U Belong With Me, then it would be different lol).

    The big difference I see with all the artists that you mention is that they didn’t get any spins for their solo work on country radio at all (well maybee Bryan Adams did, I have no idea).

  • Incipit

    my local alt station has finally realized that it couldn’t just keep playing the same 20-year old songs and the most aggro-sludge successors and has been dipping into more experimental and indie rock, and I’m giddy about it. I would hope you’d give some of the bands a fighting chance.

    standtotheright, I do buy new music, when I find it – just not what radio identifies as rock. I wish I had a forward thinking rock station where I live – but, not. So I’m part of that dichotomy Eilonwy mentions between the spins on the charts and the album sales – because I usually buy the whole album, if I like the band. In many ways, radio not being in touch with elements of the buying (not freebie downloading) public makes it a little harder for me – but not impossible – to find new music that radio will never play.

  • koshka

    Country gets a load of TV exposure.

    THey need it since their audience has a weaker internet presence than other major genres.

  • windmills

    Keel: Okay, but the pop awards shows aren’t pop (only) awards shows and that was part of my post as well. Other genres are featured as well. So other types of musicians get a chance to promo their product (as well as pat themselves on the back). Lady Antebellum certainly got a boost on the Grammys last year as I recall, and they’re not pop.

    I already said I don’t consider the Grammys a pop awards show. With a show like the AMAs there isn’t a big distance between “only” and the couple of token slots given to country to make it a not 100% CHR show. As far as the country shows you’re overstating the “only” because there are always non country acts invited to perform. This year at the CMAs it was Kid Rock and Kelly. Previous performers have included John Legend and Jamie Foxx.

    Valentin432: There is no heavy use of electric guitars or drums on the songs I’ve heard from Taylor

    You should check out Forever & Always, Haunted, Enchanted, Story Of Us, and Better Than Revenge. I always thought You Belong With Me could be a Max Martin song too. Should’ve Said No wouldn’t have been out of place on an earlier Avril album or Breakaway either.

  • girlygirl

    I have a feeling that is that radio station’s (91.3) Top 100 — not the country of Singapore as a whole. Where is LLWD? It should be on that list if it was for the whole country because it did really really well on several radio stations there.

    ETA – it also doesn’t say how this list was compiled. maybe it was a fan poll?

  • Elliegrll

    THey need it since their audience has a weaker internet presence than other major genres.

    I think it’s more like they draw good ratings, so every network wants to televise one.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Lee has a couple early spins on a Top 40 Stations.

    KSPW-FM Pub 1 Top 40 Springfield, MO
    KQMQ-FM Pub 1 Top 40 Honolulu

  • Keel

    As far as the country shows you’re overstating the “only” because there are always non country acts invited to perform. This year it was Kid Rock and Kelly. Previous performers have included John Legend and Jamie Foxx.

    I already addressed this in my first post. The peeps from non-country genres typically will sing something country or something deemed (by that artist) as suitably country enough to be able to appeal to country fans. Kid Rock is an example, as is Kelly Clarkson singing a duet with Aldean, and Jamie Foxx with Rascal Flatts. When the likes of Kelly and Jamie Foxx start singing their own pop rock or R&B songs on the CMAs, and it’s not a token thing, then I won’t call it country only awards shows anymore.

  • Valentin432

    You should check out Forever & Always, Haunted, Enchanted, Story Of Us, and Better Than Revenge. I always thought You Belong With Me could be a Max Martin song too. Should’ve Said No wouldn’t have been out of place on an earlier Avril album or Breakaway either.

    Well, I prefer to trust your word than to look for and listen to them lol, if you say the production is more similar to those records then I believe you.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Looks like Mike Elizondo may be unavailable to work with Kris on album #2.

    According to The Hollywood Reporter, Warner Bros. Records has hired producer Mike Elizondo (Eminem, Fiona Apple, Avenged Sevenfold) as Staff Produer and SVP of A&R. This is the same position Rob Cavallo held at WBR before his promotion last year to Chairman of the label.

    http://fmqb.com/article.asp?id=2076089

  • windmills

    Does being a staff producer for a label mean you can’t work with people on other labels?

    Keel: I don’t think there’s much difference between the tokenism of having Kid Rock perform at the CMAs and a token country act performing at the AMAs. The CMAs picked somebody mainstream who’s well enough known by people watching the show and when they bother having token country acts the AMAs pick ones well enough known to the mainstream. It’s not like Kid Rock sang a country song. Hell neither did Reba – she sang a Beyonce song which is now her new single! I guess because it worked so well the 1st time when she did a Kelly song??

    The only thing that separates the country awards shows from the pop awards shows and the urban awards shows is the country awards shows are mostly on network TV. But if you put that aside the number of awards shows is not unique.

    I’ll be interested in seeing if the ACAs survive for another year on FOX. The reviews from the country world were pretty scathing. Too, the ratings were not good and Carrie’s variety special with Brad Paisley, Dolly Parton, Sons Of Sylvia, and David Cook as guests did a lot better in overall viewers and in the adult demo.

    Elsewhere, inaugural fan-voted gala American Country Awards on Fox was a disappointment, with a lackluster 5.97 million viewers and a 1.5/ 4 among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m. One year earlier, Carrie Underwood: An All-Star Holiday Special on Fox was considerably stronger at 8.55 million viewers and a 2.3/ 6 among adults 18-49 on Dec. 7, 2009.

  • girlygirl

    Didn’t Rob Cavallo produce lots of albums over the last few years — were they all with Warner Bros. artists? Elizondo may have a clause in his contract that allows him to produce people not signed to the label

  • girlygirl

    Tripp

    Lee got 1 spin from both those Top 40 stations last week as well. And I think the previous week as well.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Why am I reminded that Kid Rock’s regrettable 2007 hit from sampling Alabama (he rhymes “things” with “things,” which I cannot forgive) charted higher in Country than any other format?

    His last couple songs have all gotten some sort of country radio push, though not with huge success.

    In that vein, here’s an interesting article from Daily Beast on instances of the fusion of rock and country.

  • girlygirl

    HDD FINAL #’s are in. If this holds up, Crystal only dropped 25%

    48 48 CRYSTAL BOWERSOX 19/JIVE/JLG 9,157 -25%

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

  • windmills

    Good drop for Crystal!

    Jason Aldean only dropped 13% and could move back into the top 10 this week. The Black Keys are up 43% from SNL and could also move back into the top 10!

  • sma11ie

    Didn’t Rob Cavallo produce lots of albums over the last few years — were they all with Warner Bros. artists?

    Yeah, he produced David Cook’s record for RCA while he held that position at WBR. He produced a bunch of non WBR records during this time.

  • tinawina

    Good for Crystal. She’s hanging in there so far.

  • jpfan

    I hope Crystal’s numbers hold up. But it looks like a good week for her if they do. She’s not setting the world on fire but she’s not dropping like a stone either.

    Is this Crystal’s 3rd or 4th sales week? I remember the old formula was a 60% drop the first week, then 25%, then 25%. Obviously Xmas will screw that up somewhat. It’s always good to improve your chart position.

  • tinawina

    Idol/Mjs big blog related HDD final totals:

    11 9 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 30,155
    MY KINDA PARTY
    20 22 GLEE CAST COLUMBIA 16,700
    GLEE: THE MUSIC, VOL. 4
    30 26 RASCAL FLATTS BIG MACHINE 14,823
    NOTHING LIKE THIS
    26 30 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 36 CAPITOL/EMI 14,159
    VARIOUS ARTISTS
    22 39 BIG TIME RUSH NICKELODEON/COLUMBIA 11,205
    BTR
    48 48 CRYSTAL BOWERSOX 19/JIVE/JLG 9,157
    FARMER’S DAUGHTER

    Is this Crystal’s 3rd or 4th sales week? I remember the old formula was a 60% drop the first week, then 25%, then 25%.

    Last week Kirsten said its 60-75%>40%>25%>25%

    This is Crystal’s 4th week I think, so this is right along the lines of normal if it holds.

    The top 10:
    1 1 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 53,349
    SPEAK NOW
    5 2 NICKI MINAJ YM/CASH MONEY/UNIV MOTOWN 37,738
    PINK FRIDAY
    7 3 BRUNO MARS NEW ELEKTRA 37,607
    DOO-WOPS & HOOLIGANS
    6 4 DAFT PUNK WALT DISNEY 33,606
    TRON: LEGACY (SOUNDTRACK)
    3 5 RIHANNA DEF JAM/IDJ 32,976
    LOUD
    8 6 MUMFORD & SONS GLASSNOTE 32,348
    SIGH NO MORE
    4 7 KANYE WEST ROC-A-FELLA/IDJMG 32,267
    MY BEAUTIFUL DARK TWISTED…
    2 8 EMINEM SHADY/AFTERMATH/INT 30,664
    RECOVERY
    11 9 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 30,155
    MY KINDA PARTY
    27 10 BLACK KEYS NONESUCH 29,019
    BROTHERS

    Also: Katy Perry is officially platinum this week. She’s number 11. Mumford & Sons is getting close to 700K, which makes them the strongest selling folk record in ages. This could be good news for Crystal if it brings some attention back to the genre.

  • jpfan

    I think Bruno Mars has or is close to a gold album. He had a meh start but his hit singles are getting the job done for him.

    Thanks for the info on Crystal’s week.

  • istersay

    is this Crystal’s 3rd or 4th sales week? I remember the old formula was a 60% drop the first week, then 25%, then 25%.

    this is week 4-here are the other week’s totals
    > Week 1 (58,000, debut, 58,000 total/13,000 digital total) (#28 Billboard 200)
    > Week 2 (38,000, -35%, 96,000 total/4,000 digital, -73%, 17,000 digital total) (#47 Billboard 200)
    > Week 3 (11,000, -71%, 106,000/2,000 digital, -33%, 19,000 digital total) (#62 Billboard 200)

  • tinawina

    I think Bruno Mars has or is close to a gold album. He had a meh start but his hit singles are getting the job done for him.

    He’s close, but he’s not there yet. He should be there next week I think. Maybe the week after.

    I think he as a real shot at US platinum. Between the Grammys and (hopefully) releasing another strong single, he could have the momentum to pull it off.

  • jpfan

    Britney Spears is getting an insane amount of adds. Ugh, I’m going to have to get used to listening to her new single. Maybe it’ll burn up the charts and down quickly. Here’s hoping.

  • Eriko

    Last week Kirsten said its 60-75%>40%>25%>25%

    This is Crystal’s 4th week I think, so this is right along the lines of normal if it holds.

    I think that scenario applies to Idols who release sooner, so the Jan slump isn´t apart of the usual 4th week. Have other Idols actually gone up the chart in January or during the forth week. And without any single or good radio promotion helping out

  • tinawina

    I think that formula applies to Idols who release sooner, so the Jan slump isn´t apart of the usual 4th week.

    That’s not an Idol formula, it tends to follow that general pattern for all album releases. Of course a big event can disrupt the pattern somewhat (Black Friday, the post Christmas crash, big awards show performances, etc). Anyway, all things considered Crystal did pretty much keep pace with the usual sales patterns, and that is good news.

    I don’t know if anyone has gone up the chart in January… if I had to guess I would say Daughtry probably did. After the slump things usually shake out to align more closely to airplay/promo/audience enthusiasm levels. Daughtry had a huge hit song at the time, so i would guess he went up once the Christmas albums went away. Not that he was ever out of the top 10 anyway. LOL

  • Eriko

    That’s not an Idol formula, it tends to follow that general pattern for all album releases.

    girlygirl said 60% drop in sales, was the “usual” for this week of the year yesterday. As you can see, I don´t know much, so only observing what others say

  • Elliegrll

    I think that scenario applies to Idols who release sooner, so the Jan slump isn´t apart of the usual 4th week. Have other Idols actually gone up the chart in January or during the forth week. And without any single or good radio promotion helping out

    The formula applies to all albums. As far as Crystal going up the chart, we don’t know if that will happen. HDD had her at 48 last week and with a drop that was under 70%, but she actually came in at #62 and dropped 71%.

  • Valentin432

    If the numbers stay close to that tomorrow, Crystal album for her fourth are quite good. The single isn’t really getting any good airplay yet, so if she can somehow maintain those level of sales, she’ll be alright.

  • Elliegrll

    If the numbers stay close to that tomorrow, Crystal album for her fourth are quite good. The single isn’t really getting any good airplay yet, so if she can somehow maintain those level of sales, she’ll be alright.

    I don’t think the right description is “quite good”, it’s more like she’s selling what would be expected of a new artist who started off at 58,000 units sold, and who doesn’t have a strong radio or mainstream media presence.

    As we see with Bruno Mars’ album, in order for the album to have legs she has to release some hit singles.

  • larc

    These are the monitored radio adds for Idol alumni this week:

    4 – Lee DeWyze – Sweet Serendipity (55)
    3 – Adam Lambert – Sleepwalker (21)
    3 – Jason Castro – You Are (20)
    2 – Adam Lambert – If I Had You (260)
    2 – Daughtry – September (302)
    2 – Mandisa – Stronger (3)
    1 – Crystal Bowersox – Farmer’s Daughter (7)
    1 – Fantasia – I’m Doin’ Me (120)
    ———————————————
    10 – Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson – Don’t You Wanna Stay (133)

  • progression

    Britney Spears is getting an insane amount of adds.

    82 Top 40 adds today. Wow. According to Billboard, Hold It Against Me is already #16 on the airplay chart. Is this even the official adds week, I thought that was next week?

  • girlygirl

    Eriko

    you may be confusing me with someone else, because I don’t remember saying anything about album numbers yesterday

  • girlygirl

    oh yeah, wouldn’t surprise me at all if Hold It Against Me is #1 song on Billboard sooner rather than later

  • smeggingnuts

    girlygirl:
    01/11/2011 at 6:44 pm
    oh yeah, wouldn’t surprise me at all if Hold It Against Me is #1 song on Billboard sooner rather than later

    sooner it goes up the sooner it goes down…..hopefully

  • Eriko

    Eriko

    you may be confusing me with someone else, because I don’t remember saying anything about album numbers yesterday

    Sorry, it was springboard who said

    The average drop for idols for the second week of January is around 40%, so the HDD predictions are in line with the 6500 that would be expected for FD.

  • Valentin432

    HIAM was also picked by a decent amount of rythmic stations and its been added to a lot of playlist of pop stations all around the world.

    You have to admire the work Jive and Britney’s management put in the release of this single, it’s masterfull

  • Indigobunting

    Wouldn’t Idol releases more closely follow a usual Idol drop pattern vs new release or seasonal (unless Christmas is involved)- how long do they sell to their fan base? I have heard anywhere from a month to two months- does anyone really know?

    I think 40% sounds really steep for an album that was just released 4 weeks ago after going through the normal 60 and 30 drop. Wouldn’t that be a normal post Christmas slump for an older album? Statistics, statistics, lol!

  • Eriko

    I don’t think the right description is “quite good”, it’s more like she’s selling what would be expected of a new artist who started off at 58,000 units sold, and who doesn’t have a strong radio or mainstream media presence.

    If the HDD prediction holds or is close, she´s dropping about the same or less than other artists in the top 100. Are you saying the other artists don´t have radio presence? If they do, she has “legs” as she would have radio presence like the others, so, I´d say she´s doing “quite good” considering. Did Kris with his huge hit single have better “legs” and drop less, percentage and chart# wise? Or Adam? IDK, but not sure they did, even if their first 4 weeks were all before January

    Last week you said her sales total would be similar even if FD had been for sale for 7 weeks vs 3 weeks, which imo, defies logic and common sense as I know it

  • Eriko

    I think 40% sounds really steep for an album that was just released 4 weeks ago after going through the normal 60 and 30 drop. Wouldn’t that be a normal post Christmas slump for an older album? Statistics, statistics, lol!

    According to HDD, Michael Jackson will go down 33% and DIDDY DIRTY MONEY 58%, They were released the same day as FD

  • Valentin432

    Quite good, average, ok … it doesn’t really matter what you call it, if she is in the top 50 for her fourth week, it’s a positive sign.

    What is not positive is the fact that she got only one add from AAA and none for country or HAC. That single needs to start getting played fast, the radio freeze has ended and it’s a good time for FD to star picking up momentum.

  • Elliegrll

    oh yeah, wouldn’t surprise me at all if Hold It Against Me is #1 song on Billboard sooner rather than later

    “3″ was the first song since Taylor Hick’s coronation song to debut at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, and I think Hold It Against Me will have that honor next week.

    If the HDD prediction holds or is close, she´s dropping about the same or less than other artists in the top 100

    We’ve already covered the fact that the norm for most albums is between a 60 to 75% drop the second week, 40% the third week, and then leveling off around 25%. It doesn’t matter if the person is from AI, if they are established or if they have a song on the radio. We won’t know if an album has legs until much later than just the four week period, so what’s your point.

    Last week you said her sales total would be similar even if FD had been for sale for 7 weeks vs 3 weeks, which imo, defies logic and common sense as I know it

    Piggy backing off of my previous statement, obviously since she doesn’t have a song that’s getting a lot of airplay, we know that these numbers are because of her AI fans. AI fans are going to buy the album no matter what, and regardless if it is released in November or December. Saying that this group would have a problem with a four week delay is like saying that they wouldn’t buy the cd if it wasn’t available exactly at midnight.

    You said that other former idols haven’t had to deal with their third or fourth week numbers falling during the first few weeks of January, but I don’t see how this matters, when we are talking about the buying habits of AI fans. But even with this, all of the former alums experienced the regular first of the year drop, not only because that’s what usually happens, but because the buying spree from AI fans was over, and now they had to appeal to people outside of the bubble to buy their music.

  • Elliegrll

    Quite good, average, ok … it doesn’t really matter what you call it, if she is in the top 50 for her fourth week, it’s a positive sign.

    She wasn’t even in the top 50 last week. So, if she’s in the top 50 this week, but selling less than she did last week, that’s good, but falling all the way down to the 60′s last week was bad?

    Chart placement is based not only on how much FD has sold, but what other albums around it are selling, so isn’t the main concern how much the album has sold at this point, or even how much it has sold for the week? It’s not great to see a four week old album selling less than 10,000 copies, especially when that number is going to keep getting smaller as the month progresses, but as I said earlier, that can turn around if she can get some airplay.

  • Eriko

    We’ve already covered the fact that the norm for most albums is between a 60 to 75% drop the second week, 40% the third week, and then leveling off around 25%. It doesn’t matter if the person is from AI, if they are established or if they have a song on the radio. We won’t know if an album has legs until much later than just the four week period, so what’s your point.

    You said “she’s selling what would be expected of a new artist”.. “who doesn’t have a strong radio or mainstream media presence” meaning worse than those who do have strong radio or mainstream media presence. But she is NOT doing worse, chart or sale percentage wise.

    Piggy backing off of my previous statement, obviously since she doesn’t have a song that’s getting a lot of airplay, we know that these numbers are because of her AI fans. AI fans are going to buy the album no matter what, and regardless if it is released in November or December. Saying that this group would have a problem with a four week delay is like saying that they wouldn’t buy the cd if it wasn’t available exactly at midnight.

    The discussion wasn´t about the release date, it was about total sales in 7 weeks vs 3 weeks. It had to do with Lee´s vs Crystal´s total sales, and you said the difference (4k) would be about the same, even if they´d released at the same time. Anyway, I can see this is going the same way as before. So let´s let this be…please.

  • Valentin432

    She wasn’t even in the top 50 last week. So, if she’s in the top 50 this week, but selling less than she did last week, that’s good, but falling all the way down to the 60’s last week was bad?

    Yes because if she’s going up on the charts that means other albums are falling faster.

    Crystal’s album sales are dependent on the environement as much as the other albums. The second week of January is an atrocious time for album sales so it’s normal that it’s going down, that’s why judging it in relation to the other albums makes sense.

  • Elliegrll

    The discussion wasn´t about the release date, it was about total sales in 7 weeks vs 3 weeks. It had to do with Lee´s vs Crystal´s total sales, and you said the difference (4k) would be about the same, even if they´d released at the same time. Anyway, I can see this is going the same way as before. So let´s let this be…please.

    I’ll leave it at this, I’m gathering that you think that Crystal has sold fewer albums than other alums because of the time of year that she released her album, but my opinion is that it is because her season was not very popular. Following in the footsteps of other idols, her initial albums sold are because of AI fans, and AI fans were going to buy the album in November or December. BTW, there were others who also released in December, for example Taylor Hicks (December 12) and Diana DeGarmo (December 7).

  • Eriko

    I’ll leave it at this, I’m gathering that you think that Crystal has sold fewer albums than other alums because of the time of year that she released her album, but my opinion is that it is because her season was not very popular. Following in the footsteps of other idols, her initial albums sold are because of AI fans, and AI fans were going to buy the album in November or December. BTW, there were others who also released in December, for example Taylor Hicks (December 12) and Diana DeGarmo (December 7).

    You gathered wrongly and I never said anything to that effect. I actually agree with your opinion on her sales and her season. Hows that for closing :)

  • pineappletree

    I love that Britney is shattering records left and right. I have been a fan of hers since I was 14 when BOMT was released, and we are a loyal bunch. I also really like this song. The dance beats are insane. Can’t wait to shake my booty in the club with this..lol :)

    That is great Crystal is still in the top 50.

  • sr4mjc

    You have to admire the work Jive and Britney’s management put in the release of this single, it’s masterfull

    This is a serious question.. what have they done except send the song to radio yesterday where they all drooled over it and played it instantly? Did they even have to push at all? I wouldn’t think so.

    If there has been print or tv or anything, I haven’t seen it.

  • girlygirl

    Britney can sell simply by releasing something. The label doesn’t even have to push it, it seems! Hopefully they’ll take some this $$$ and use it to promote their artists who DO need label suppot (like Kris, Crystal, Archie & Jordin…hinthint)

  • tinawina

    how long do they sell to their fan base? I have heard anywhere from a month to two months- does anyone really know?

    Nope. Its all a guess, but I would think a month would be as far out as I push it personally. After that, they may be people familiar with the person from Idol I think, but they have to be convinced like everyone else. They may be a bit easier to convince, but that’s about it IMO. Except maybe for the bump that occurs when the show comes back perhaps.

    I say that because after the first few weeks the albums tend to follow their own trajectories, which would suggest something else is at work other than just Idol fans, or everyone would sell the same way for longer. Maybe some of it is generated purely by Idol at that point but I don’t think it may be much. By the time Christmas is done (and the bump from Idol’s return is over), I’d say it is really, truly on that person.

    We’ve already covered the fact that the norm for most albums is between a 60 to 75% drop the second week, 40% the third week, and then leveling off around 25%.

    Well, hopefully leveling off around 25%. In practice things fluctuate from there until the album hits whatever its real level of interest is.

    But I do agree at this point Crystal’s sales have mostly been about Idol probably, and we’ll see how her sales hold up from here on out. She might get a bump when Idol comes back, but after that’s over she’ll pretty much be on her own IMO, unless she does another Idol performance.

  • Valentin432

    This is a serious question.. what have they done except send the song to radio yesterday where they all drooled over it and played it instantly? Did they even have to push at all? I wouldn’t think so.

    If there has been print or tv or anything, I haven’t seen it.

    I think they orchestrated the lead up to the single really well.
    Dr Luke is tweeting about it since November or even before, her official account ramps up the song to her fans and they let the fanbase do the work.

    Secondly, the song was send to all the stations and they played it on heavy rotation the minute they received it, and that’s all over the world, from Auckland, to Paris, to London and to New York. Yes, the fact that it’s Britney Spears/Dr Luke/Max Martin help, but I think there was a deal made by Jive with the radio stations to have such an immediate response.

    Third, the international media/websites covered the event all day long, they must have been sent copies days ago.

    Finally, after accumulating momentum all they long, they release it to itunes, where it’s selling approximately 3 times the amount of the second song (according to itunes popularity bars).

  • Trina

    Britney is a huge superstar who has made Jive a ridiculous amount of money over the years. Even if Jive is working the song, she deserves it. Considering the pathetic album sales they had the last year Jive is probably peeing themselves in anticipation for her upcoming album.

    Jojo from KIIS sad response to the song has been insane and Z100′s PD said the response has been phenomenal. Not everyone thinks the song sucks.

  • CindyM

    Jojo from KIIS sad response to the song has been insane and Z100’s PD said the response has been phenomenal. Not everyone thinks the song sucks.

    Adam likes it :)

    adamlambert Wow new Britney is a hot one. Dubstep bridge is nuts!! Amazing production @TheDoctorLuke about 8 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone

    I like it but don’t love it yet. But, like most Britney songs, it will worm its way into my subconscious and I will find myself humming it or singing it at opportune or inopportune moments. :)

    Trina, I agree. Britney has earned every single bit of promotion that Jive can give her. The “LEAK” of the song, placement on Perez Hilton’s site, the radio stations all adding on the same day and having access to it, I’m sure some of that is attributable to Jive.

  • smeggingnuts

    girlygirl:
    01/11/2011 at 10:32 pm
    Britney can sell simply by releasing something. The label doesn’t even have to push it, it seems! Hopefully they’ll take some this $$$ and use it to promote their artists who DO need label suppot (like Kris, Crystal, Archie & Jordin…hinthint)

    Ok I don’t understand this line of thinking. I have seen this before where people are saying that the label takes money made by one artist and uses it for promo of another.

    I can understand if one artist makes alot for a label the ladel might have a larger bumper overall but it makes no sense to me to think that the label would use profits made from one artist for another.

  • springboard

    We’ve already covered the fact that the norm for most albums is between a 60 to 75% drop the second week, 40% the third week, and then leveling off around 25%.

    But on top of this, we need to look at the seasonal fluctuations.

    It was also covered that Crystal’s 1st and 2nd weeks were inflated by the pre-Christmas boom, so we need to take into consideration the post-Christmas depression.

    As HDD estimated average drop for this week is 30%, and the estimated drop for a 4th week is 25%, she would see a 52% drop.

    This is a lot, and may be some estimations are off, but everything considered, her weekly sales are substantially higher than what I expected, even if HDD overestimated her numbers.

  • istersay

    @DAVIDBENDETH
    9,444 total 115,811 62-47* up! rock 10-8*
    Crystal Bowersox ‘Farmer’s Daughter’

  • girlygirl

    smeggingnuts

    this is what my A&R instructor said in class just last night though — because most of a label’s revenue comes from just a few acts, they have to use at least some of the $$$ they make off their biggest acts to help promote the other acts on its roster.

    But he also said that this is one reason why major labels don’t sign developmental acts very much any more — rather they just sign acts that they believe can make money for them right away

  • springboard

    @DAVIDBENDETH
    9,444 total 115,811 62-47* up! rock 10-8*
    Crystal Bowersox ‘Farmer’s Daughter’

    This is only a 12.5% drop from last week, so a lot better than the usual 40% idol slump for the second week of January.

  • Eriko

    This is only a 12.5% drop from last week, so a lot better than the usual 40% idol slump for the second week of January.

    And without a single that´s getting a lot of radio play

  • koshka

    She might get a bump when Idol comes back, but after that’s over she’ll pretty much be on her own IMO, unless she does another Idol performance.

    DO you really think that positively that Crystal would be invited back? She isn’t managed by 19, Jive no longer has a financial tie to AI & she didn’t win. This is a wait and see situation for me.

  • Tess

    Since Crystal’s numbers haven’t been very high the percentage drop would also be less. But it is impressive that she climbed back up the chart now that all the Christmas albums have vanished.

  • springboard

    Since Crystal’s numbers haven’t been very high the percentage drop would also be less.

    I don’t think that it is the case, the % drop doesn’t seem to be related the size of previous sales, or to the number of weeks.

    Album / Sales to date / % drop 2nd week Jan / weeks
    DCTA – 861748 – 37% – 8
    DATA – 589000 – 41% – 9
    FYE – 445000 – 35% – 7
    KATA – 232985 – 4% – 8

  • Eriko

    Since Crystal’s numbers haven’t been very high the percentage drop would also be less. But it is impressive that she climbed back up the chart now that all the Christmas albums have vanished.

    Looking over HHD predictor, I don´t see any pattern, where lower numbers have less of a percentage drop. Less number drop, obviously. There were only 3 Christmas albums higher than 62 last week, she climbed 15 spots, so 12 of them had nothing to do with Xmas albums.