Haley Reinhart Scoop! + A Little On James Durbin & Pia Toscano

arrives at Fox's "American Idol" season 10 finale results show held at Nokia Theatre LA Live on May 25, 2011 in Los Angeles, California.This is an anonymous tip. And the the thing that made me sure about my source I got an anonymous tip this morning about Haley Reinhart’s upcoming album. Yes, according to my source, Haley is signed, but the label is not ready to announce it yet.

My source says things are going well so far, considering they have not had a ton of time to work. There are already a few tracks confirmed for the album, one of which will probably be the 1st single:

“Beat My <3″ by Dr Luke. It was originally written for Katy Perry
“Retro Kinda Girl” – co-written by Haley & BC Jean

Plus, Haley will record an unreleased track from Kris Allen called “Love Too Much”.

The single should be released in October or November and the album in December.

I also heard from a completely DIFFERENT SOURCE that both Haley and James Durbin were signed and to expect singles from them in the fall.

And here’s a little Pia Toscano scoop. She’ll debut her single “Counterfeit” when the American Idols Live tour stops in New York City in August.

That James and Haley have signed management deals with 19/Red Light lends credence to this info. Like I said, I don’t think 19 would sign an Idol to management without an accompanying record deal.

  • Swind

    OMG OMG OMG…this news coupled with NY’s gay marriage bill makes this the BEST WEEK EVER!

    Team Growl/Gay for ZE win!!!

  • girlygirl

    sweet! so she’s signed to Interscope?

    and yay for her recording a Kris penned tune.

    this is exciting! I was already really looking forward to her getting signed and releasing an album. if the Kris tune makes the album, that’s even better!!!

  • Trina

    At this point I think we’ll take anything..thanks MJ!! Cool for you Haley fans! I know you guys have been getting anxious! And we have to wait till August to hear Counterfeit? Or will that be the first time Pia sings it live?

  • eyelinerandcigarettes

    So I’m guessing she will release a pop album?

  • dy77

    Exciting news MJ! I’m not even that big a Haley fan but am excited she will do a Kris song and do think she’ll do a good job. I know she has a lot of fans that will be excited to hear all this. Thanks for sharing.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    And we have to wait till August to hear Counterfeit?

    It will be the first time you will hear it.

  • randomjoe

    Woosh. What a rush.

  • Pam

    Wow. Lots of news at once! This is great news. Thanks mj

  • Valentin432

    I find it strange that nothing has changed apparently going from Sony to UMG.
    Haley is getting the reject from Katy Perry produced by dr Luke and a Kris Allen co write (cue the comparisons to Xtina/Miss Independent and P!nk/WWFM).

    Can’t wait to hear the tunes tough.

  • mada23

    *tries to calm down*

    This better be legit… MJ, you better be right ;)

    OMG..

    *moonwalks*

  • Falfor

    Yeah Haley being signed. She was my favorite. And yeah Kris. Yet another song of his being used in some form or fashion. This speaks so well for him.

  • luly

    Great news, good luck to all to all of them!
    I’m very curious to hear how Haley’s album will sounds like.

  • randomjoe

    Exciting news MJ! I’m not even that big a Haley fan but am excited she will do a Kris song and do think she’ll do a good job. I know she has a lot of fans that will be excited to hear all this. Thanks for sharing.

    Haley and her team are smart cookies ;)

  • smeggingnuts

    I am glad Haley got siged. I am interested in hearing the Dr. Like and her co-write with BC Jean.

  • sr4mjc

    That’s an interesting mix of styles. I’m sure she’ll make everything her own in the studio. Good news! The BC Jean co-write sounds right up her alley. Retro kinda girl

    UMG/Sony – It’s true, everything changes yet everything remains the same ;)

  • spanishfan

    I am thrilled about Haley and happy about James.

  • jasmine

    I came here to check for Alive Festival news & saw this news!

    And yeah Kris. Yet another song of his being used in some form or fashion. This speaks so well for him.

    I so agree. Love that many artists are recognizing and respecting his songwriting talents in addition to his singing ability. He’s a well-rounded musician!

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    I find it strange that nothing has changed apparently going from Sony to UMG.
    Haley is getting the reject from Katy Perry produced by dr Luke and a Kris Allen co write (cue the comparisons to Xtina/Miss Independent and P!nk/WWFM).

    I suspect that’s because this is a normal way to find songs for a new pop artist, Idol-related or not.

    Good for Kris Allen in getting his work recorded by other artists!

  • http://www.amadcow2.com amadcow2

    So glad for Haley, James, and Pia. I’m a big fan of Haley. Hope she gets a few of her own compositions on the album. I really like this group of kids as a whole. Even though the ‘judging’ was laughable and Nigel’s theatrics were heavy handed, they did pick an entertaining and diverse bunch.

  • Elliegrll

    I find it strange that nothing has changed apparently going from Sony to UMG.
    Haley is getting the reject from Katy Perry produced by dr Luke and a Kris Allen co write (cue the comparisons to Xtina/Miss Independent and P!nk/WWFM).

    People getting songs that were written for other artists is not something that just happens with idols. Besides, LLWD, WWFM and Miss Independent were all hit songs. The most important thing is to get songs that fit the artists’ style, and that showcases their strengths, and I think that happened with the three songs that are metioned. It’s really hard to write an album full of original songs over the course of just four or five months, especially when these people are touring.

    They’ve just experienced one of the biggest changes in their lives, which will have an impact on how the music sounds, so it probably is better to let things settle down a bit, before expecting them to take a major role in helping to craft songs that are meant specifically for them.

  • Trina

    Thanks again MJ! Argh August. The good news I’ll be at that show! Sucks we have to wait so long :( wonder if James is getting a Dr. Luke reject too LOL

  • girlygirl

    I would bet that the Dr. Luke song will likely be the 1st single. And good for Haley for already having a co-write — hope it makes the album.

    Pia debuting “Counterfeit” on the NYC tour stop makes a ton of sense, since it’ll likely get a lot of press — especially since she’s the hometown girl so the Idol media will likely already be requesting to interview her on that stop

    And yay for Kris getting another person recording his stuff. Even if it is another Idol. If the song is well received, that’s just another step for him to get recognition as a writer — which in turn may lead to more artists recording his music.

    So exciting news all the way around. Hopefully it’s all true :)

  • musicality

    I find it unbelievable that out of tune mess Durbin was signed.

  • adolf_hipster

    So happy for Haley! Having Dr. Luke giving her a song is a huge deal. It makes sense tho, she’s sassy and feisty just like Katy Perry. I’ve always thougth she can be successful in the real world.

    Go Haley!

  • SajiNoKami

    James!
    excited to see the final direction he goes!
    XD

    thanks! MJ!

  • Eileen99

    Wow, this is awesome scoop, MJ. I’m happy for the Haley fans & while I’m not much of a fan, if she records a Kris song, I’ll buy her album. Hee. Universal is doing a good job of getting Kris songs out there, and we’re still waiting to find out if the UK artist recording a Kris song comes to pass.

    I’m pretty curious what direction they’re going to take James & will definitely give his single a listen.

  • http://durbnet.wordpress.com/ DurbNet

    Not surprised at all that James has been signed. What with his “BIG news” tweets, the fact that Red Light is managing him and the song he just wrote with Marti F & J Michael. Duh!

  • Barometz02

    Matthew Morrison released “Still Got Tonight” which was co-written by Kris Allen and it flopped. So I’m not excited about Haley getting a reject from Kris.

  • Elizabeth Lemon

    I shouldn’t have read this in a public place. It’s taking all of my self control not to freak out right now. This makes me SO happy. I hope these songs are GOOD material for her and is what she wants to do. I am so, so excited.

  • cwm

    Yay for Haley! That’s great news for her! I’m looking forward to hearing her music.

  • chrislongisland

    YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!

  • Falfor

    I don’t believe Still got tonight has yet had an official release. Summer Rain is Morrison’s current single.

  • tinawina

    This is great news for all 3 of them, and for Kris!

    A Dr Luke song is nothing to sneeze at under any circumstances. I do want to hear what BC Jean cam up with.. the title is so perfect. And a Kris song! Look at Kris becoming a working songwriter. :D

    I am very curious to hear what direction James goes in. Congrats to him for getting his shot!

  • CRB

    Signing Haley seemed to me more or less a fait accompli given the fact that Jimmy (and Gaga, and Beyonce, and everyone else) told us that she was an amazing artist practically every week of the live shows..

    And I don’t disagree, but they invested too much time and talk building her up to let her walk out the door.

  • deanie0923

    Just a quick question…why is Pia being allowed to release a single before the albums come out for Scotty and Lauren? I understood this wasn’t allowed.

  • Twinsie41

    Matthew Morrison released “Still Got Tonight” which was co-written by Kris Allen and it flopped. So I’m not excited about Haley getting a reject from Kris

    That song was never sent to radio so how did it flop? The Gagas and Beyonce’s even had their fair share of flopped songs so it’s nothing new and I don’t think it has anything to do with the writers.

  • musicality

    Not surprised at all that James has been signed. What with his “BIG news” tweets,

    Considering James mentality I figured the “BIG” big news was he discovered a new brand of toilet paper or he found a new Hulk Hogan doll or something

  • Zorro

    Matthew Morrison released “Still Got Tonight” which was co-written by Kris Allen and it flopped. So I’m not excited about Haley getting a reject from Kris.

    STG has not been pushed by Matt’s label to radio, hence no adds date. His first single “Summers Rain” is still being played on AC radio. A song will have little chance of suceeding w/o radio airplay.

  • girlygirl

    I just remembered that Kris is signed to Universal Music Publishing — which could help him get more cuts on UMG’s artist’s records…

    I wonder which label James got signed to? I hope they don’t try and make him into a Hot AC/Pop guy — there’s already enough Idols in that genre

  • Valentin432

    People getting songs that were written for other artists is not something that just happens with idols

    The fact that the people who are involved in this are Dr Luke/Katy Perry/BC Jean/Kris Allen are all signed to Sony labels or a producer who seems to work mostly for Sony artists is what’s strange to me.

    Xtina is signed to RCA, Kelly is signed to RCA that made sense, Adam is signed to RCA, P!nk is on Jive, Kris is on Jive, The Script is on RCA. All those songs getting passed from one artist to the other under the same major label.

    It would make a little more sense to me if it was a Da Kid/Rihanna reject or Lady Gaga/RedOne.
    Not saying that this is a big deal, just surprised by the people involved since they changed from Sony to UMG this year.

  • Jon

    This week will live on as one of the best weeks for all the Haley’s fans. Her Rolling in the Deep finally reached 2 million views on YouTube, she gets picked up by Red Light Management, her “You Oughta Know” track is finally out, and now there’s news on her being signed and recording an album! Congrats.

    Also, love how she’s recording a song that was an unreleased Kris Allen track because they’re my 2 favorite idols EVER! Long live the King and Queen of Idol Underdogs!

  • dy77

    Was going to say what Zorro said, but Zorro said it well! The important thing, to me anyway, is that Kris’ music is not being sung only by him, but by others be they Idols or not. As a Kris fan, that is great news.

  • http://durbnet.wordpress.com/ DurbNet

    I’m pretty curious what direction they’re going to take James & will definitely give his single a listen.

    If the debut single released is the song he just wrote with Marti F & J Michael, I’m betting it’s a heavy yet contemporary sounding rock song, as James was involved in the process. J Michael said in a tweet that this song is amazing, so I hope it gets recorded & released as the debut single.

    Now when are we gonna hear word about the band he’s supposed to be forming?

  • Eileen99

    Plus, Haley will record an unreleased track from Kris Allen called “Love Too Much”.

    As far as I know, this is not a leftover title from the KATA era (like Still Got Tonight) unless it was never published when written. I’m not seeing anything online for this song title at the moment.

  • girlygirl

    Barometz02

    STG hasn’t even been released to radio. Summer Rain is the only Matthew Morrison song that has gotten an official release or any kind of push from his label. So you can’t really call it a flop.

  • girlygirl

    nvm

  • Tera2

    James tweeted about “big news coming” before and everyone already assumed it meant getting signed. I hope its true he’s signed and under Interscope/UMG too. I wanted him and Pia signed too. Releasing CD by end of the year is a good idea. If “Counterfeit” is being previewed on tour they’ll likely be sending it to radio after that. I look forward to Kris Allen releasing his next CD too, cause I have the first one and I really like it.

    The songs they claim Haley is releasing isn’t the jazz blues/Adele vibe her fans are expecting though. And she said she prefers the jazzy Corinne bailey Ray vibe too.

  • jasmine

    Was going to say what Zorro said, but Zorro said it well!

    Zorro is smart that way. ; )

  • springboard

    I think that Kris’ style is a good match for Haley. I am trying not to get too excited!

    I hope that the leak isn’t going to backfire against Haley though, MJ.

  • TwigLA

    Plus, Haley will record an unreleased track from Kris Allen called “Love Too Much”

    Ahhhhhhhh!!!! That is great news. I love Haley and I love Kris. I’m really looking forward to hearing what she does with it.

  • 4schur

    Thanks MJ! It seems like we’ve been waiting forever to hear this news about Haley. Can’t wait to hear her and Adam’s new singles!!

  • Swind

    Valentin432 says:

    06/25/2011 at 12:56 pm

    People getting songs that were written for other artists is not something that just happens with idols

    The fact that the people who are involved in this are Dr Luke/Katy Perry/BC Jean/Kris Allen are all signed to Sony labels or a producer who seems to work mostly for Sony artists is what’s strange to me.

    Xtina is signed to RCA, Kelly is signed to RCA that made sense, Adam is signed to RCA, P!nk is on Jive, Kris is on Jive, The Script is on RCA. All those songs getting passed from one artist to the other under the same major label.

    It would make a little more sense to me if it was a Da Kid/Rihanna reject or Lady Gaga/RedOne.
    Not saying that this is a big deal, just surprised by the people involved since they changed from Sony to UMG this year.

    I didn’t even think about all that. I really hope this isn’t some carefully crafted rumor now. Haley fans do not deserve that after the season we went through. =P

  • Moria Polonius

    Matthew Morrison released “Still Got Tonight” which was co-written by Kris Allen and it flopped.

    Well, others said that Still Got Tonight can hardly be called a flop under the circumstances, but what worries me is that it just isn’t a great song. Though I blame Matthew Morrison, not the song itself, which is miles better than Summer Rain. Maybe Haley can infuse a song with more fresh air than Morrison.

  • lili_anne7

    The songs they claim Haley is releasing isn’t the jazz blues/Adele vibe her fans are expecting though.

    It seems like the songs have more of a pop-rock vibe

  • BrandoC15

    You doubters forget, Haley can take any song and change it into a sultry/ bluesy rock song.
    Example: Blue

  • adolf_hipster

    Matthew Morrison released “Still Got Tonight” which was co-written by Kris Allen and it flopped.

    well hopefully Haley’s song will be better. Still Got Tonight is a dud, there’s a reason why Kris didn’t put it on HIS album. js

  • Trina

    When Jimmy said after the hot mess that was Without You that was an 8 while James is usually 9 or 10 for him I figured he lurved him some James, or he was high that week. Throw in the massive pimping he got regularly, yeah shouldn’t be a shock.

    I’m not 100% convinced the band thing is still happening. Around the time he was still talking up a band he was also saying on the finale red carpet he had to find a label to release his metal album on. UMG may have different plans. Just something to keep in mind.

  • tinawina

    The songs they claim Haley is releasing isn’t the jazz blues/Adele vibe her fans are expecting though.

    I’ve never been to a Haley site. Is the consensus that people wanted her to do something Adele-like?

    Considering the touch point that was Benny and The Jets and the fact Jimmy gave her You and I and Rihannon, I’m guessing he sees her as more of a pop/rock/bluesy kind of girl. He was also really in to her singing House of the Rising Sun.

    I think James is going to make something between Muse and 30 Seconds to Mars.

    I want Pia to do something more R&B/urban crossover, like Beyonce-type songs.

    I want a lot for someone with no money to produce their projects, don’t I? :D

  • tripp_ncwy

    well hopefully Haley’s song will be better. Still Got Tonight is a dud, there’s a reason why Kris didn’t put it on HIS album. js

    There is, the song was completed too late in the album writing process.

  • Jon

    Just because it’s a song written for Katy Perry doesn’t mean that’s it going to sound like it’s a Katy Perry song. Maybe she can turn it into something bluesy/soulful. I can see that especially with the Kris Allen tune.

  • tibitibis

    THANKS!! this are really good news for Haley fans , that include my family and my self lol. We really can’t wait to have original music from her , wonder what kind of sound she’s gonna have something retro new soul, or more rockish in any case she sound amazing in any of this styles :)

  • girlygirl

    I checked on Harry Fox, BMI and ASCAP. There are a handful of songs titled Love Too Much registered. None of them written by Kris.

    This doesn’t mean that he didn’t write or co-write the song that Haley is recording, of course. A lot of songs don’t get registered on those sites, especially if they are only demos. So we’ll have to wait and see…

  • tripp_ncwy

    Some posters here seem to be saying that Jimmy Iovine does not know how to pick good songs for an artist after years as a successful A&R Rep by having Haley record “Love Too Much” & “Beat My <3? which were unreleased songs from other artists.

  • mada23

    Haley’s voice gives that bluesy/soulful vibe no matter what she’s singing, and she did more rock on the show than anything else. If this rumor is true, then she’s in great hands!

  • Moria Polonius

    Considering the touch point that was Benny and The Jets and the fact Jimmy gave her You and I and Rihannon, I’m guessing he sees her as more of a pop/rock/bluesy kind of girl. He was also really in to her singing House of the Rising Sun.

    I was very much into her singing House of the Rising Sun too… Pop/rock/bluesy works for me. The girl’s got a voice I dig so as long as songs are good, I’ll be pleased.

  • http://durbnet.wordpress.com/ DurbNet

    I think James is going to make something between Muse and 30 Seconds to Mars.

    I’m hoping for something more like Shinedown or Avenged Sevenfold.

    I’m not 100% convinced the band thing is still happening. Around the time he was still talking up a band he was also saying on the finale red carpet he had to find a label to release his metal album on. UMG may have different plans. Just something to keep in mind.

    Well I hope that UMG will be wise enough to form a band for him, it’s better for his rock cred, and James has expressed no desire to be a solo artist. It must be noted that at the time Daughtry’s debut album was recorded Chris was the sole member. Guess history is gonna repeat itself given the time constraints.

  • sleepinin

    I’m super excited that Haley was signed first of all. She was my fave this year – just love her. Her voice just gets me. And to think that Kris’s writing is at any way involved in the process is really cool since he’s my favourite Idol alum. This might not happen since it’s early days and things can change right up until the album comes out but just thinking that there is possibly a recorded version of Haley singing a song Kris possibly had a hand in writing makes me kind of giddy. LOL

  • smeggingnuts

    Moria Polonius
    The girl’s got a voice I dig so as long as songs are good, I’ll be pleased.

    This is the gist of it right here. If you like a persons singing more than likely you will enjoy a song written by someone you don’t care that much for (lyrically). And visa versa just because you like someones writting if you don’t like the singing of the person performing it you can’t enjoy the lyrics.

    Though sometimes no matter how amazing the singer a bad song is just a bad song and no one can change that.

  • chearts77

    Good news for Haley, James and Pia fans!! :)

    I’m a little confused what direction they will be taking Haley, though. I imagined her to go in the direction of Adele…but Katy Perry songs (or songs that were for her to record) makes it look like they may try to take her down that route instead?

    So, am I reading this right? Pia will sing her single on the idol tour stop in New York? Looking forward to hearing it. I’m wondering if Scotty will debut Out of Summertime on the Raleigh tour stop at the end of July? That would be a good time for that song to come out…and it would give the song a good 3 months or so to work the charts before his album comes out. Or, maybe they don’t plan on releasing that at all and it will be a different song he’s working on now.

  • Ratna12

    Plus, Haley will record an unreleased track from Kris Allen called “Love Too Much”.

    Whaaatt ?
    OK, if that is true, that I’m getting excited for Haley. :)

  • randomjoe

    Haley doing pop-rock shouldn’t be a surprise especially if we expected an album from her within the next year. Jimmy was clearly rooting for that route. I don’t think Haley or most of her fans have a huge problem with it either. As long as she keeps the retro-raw bluesy-jazzy elements, all is good. The funk elements, well, we’ll have to see.
    ETA: And of course, the soul element which need not be stated. The sultry aspect helps of course.

  • FaithfulFan

    Also, love how she’s recording a song that was an unreleased Kris Allen track because they’re my 2 favorite idols EVER! Long live the King and Queen of Idol Underdogs!

    I love this, well said!! Ditto for me.

  • ilovekrisallen39

    I hope it’s true about Haley getting a Kris song to sing, two of my favorite idols ever and Kris was a fan of her’s so its Kool.

  • Swind

    randomjoe says:

    06/25/2011 at 1:58 pm

    Haley doing pop-rock shouldn’t be a surprise especially if we expected an album from her within the next year. Jimmy was clearly rooting for that route. I don’t think Haley or most of her fans have a huge problem with it either. As long as she keeps the retro-raw bluesy-jazzy elements, all is good. The funk elements, well, we’ll have to see.

    .

    I think it’s only realistic to believe that Haley will be going the pop/rock route for at least her first album. When/if she gets a 2nd album she can put her true self into it, such as the way Kelly did.

  • AllenTX

    Well I hope that UMG will be wise enough to form a band for him, it’s better for his rock cred,

    If most songs are written by outsiders, it will be thought as a sham band anyway. I doubt that they have enough time to form a band and write their own songs. And James is no Daughtry when it comes to songwriting.

  • windmills

    deanie0923: Just a quick question…why is Pia being allowed to release a single before the albums come out for Scotty and Lauren? I understood this wasn’t allowed.

    It’s allowed. It usually doesn’t happen but it’s not unprecedented. The 1st original song from s5 was Kellie Pickler’s Red High Heels which came out in September. Her album was also 1st out of the gate in late October that year. Then Daughtry’s single and album came out. Then the winner Taylor’s album in December.

    I think it was considered a general rule of thumb that the winner would have the right to release his or her album 1st but that also didn’t happen in s2 so that never became a tradition either. At the end of the day the label and 19 do what they want. Kellie announced her record deal when she was cohosting The View in the middle of July for instance.

    Too, in this case Pia/Haley/James are in a different market than Scotty and Lauren even though I do expect Interscope will try to get Lauren to cross over to pop. Scotty and Lauren are already off to a good start – they have original songs out with Scotty’s about to become a t20 country hit on Mediabase, good sales, and lots of positive buzz and press for them from CMA Fest.

    Valentin432: The fact that the people who are involved in this are Dr Luke/Katy Perry/BC Jean/Kris Allen are all signed to Sony labels or a producer who seems to work mostly for Sony artists is what’s strange to me.

    I thought Katy Perry was signed to Capitol? EDIT: She is.

    IMO there’s the hand of 19 to think about too. They may have known about the Kris song and thought it’d fit Haley and maybe they’d come across Beat My <3 while listening to songs for another Idol and thought it’d be good for her.

  • argie

    I’m a little confused what direction they will be taking Haley, though. I imagined her to go in the direction of Adele…but Katy Perry songs (or songs that were for her to record) makes it look like they may try to take her down that route instead?

    I don’t think that just because it’s a Katy Perry reject means that Haley is going down the Katy Perry route. Who knows… KP probably rejected the song ‘cuz it wasn’t talking about alien procreation or because it involved a lot more singing than she liked (I still think she can sing though…. LOL).

    I saw the title “Beat my <3" and rolled my eyes. I don't think I know any hit song with an emoticon but then again, I could be very VERY wrong there… I guess it's just a pet peeve for me. It would be awesome if this song were some sort of hip hop collab where Haley sings the hook (much like "I'm Coming Home", "Love the Way You Lie", etc.) because I think that that could really introduce her to a bigger audience and it seems to be the best formula for a hit single. I think if a voice like Skylar Grey's can be feat. in a hip hop song (several actually) then a voice like Haley's can aboslutely be used in one too.

  • TwigLA

    It seems like the songs have more of a pop-rock vibe

    I’m not sure how anyone can speculate on the vibe of songs we’ve not heard a single note nor even seen lyrics for.

  • jsrj98

    Haley’s voice gives that bluesy/soulful vibe no matter what she’s singing, and she did more rock on the show than anything else. If this rumor is true, then she’s in great hands!

    Exactly. Honestly, Haley could make singing the phone book sound great. If she can make these “rejected” or “unreleased” songs great– good for her.

  • emmuzka

    Scotty, Lauren, Haley, James and Pia.. That’s a large bunch, even when their albums probably won’t compete against each others in the charts.

    Now, if only Casey would get signed, I would be a happy bunny! Or am I too greedy to want him, too?

  • randomjoe

    Now, if only Casey would get signed, I would be a happy bunny! Or am I too greedy to want him, too?

    Maybe later. Your best hope short term is that he does some work with Haley (or James or Scotty or Pia).

  • MollyAnnMay

    Emoticons in titles now? *snort* Gotta love the middle-aged white guy trying so hard to give the kids something hip.

    That being said, I’m very happy that I’ll get to hear more from Haley. I didn’t catch most of S10, but I did watch videos here and there and I liked her the best of all the contestants this year. Her Led Zep cover was fantastic.

    The Dr. Luke* portion of the news is gag-inducing, but maybe Haley can inject some musicality into the song. Hopefully he won’t produce it and hopefully whoever does won’t eff up her voice so she sounds like all the other pop princesses.

    (*Yes, stipulated, he’s been involved in product that’s sold billions. Whatevercakes. IMO he’s a schlockmeister.)

  • halo9125

    So we have to wait til August to hear Counterfeit? Don’t TPTB know I have no patience?

    Does this mean I have to practice recording videos with my new phone so I can get a good clip to upload to YouTube and share with all you lovely people? :)

  • Willis

    Very happy for the Haley news! I know I’m in the minority, but I always thought she should put out a pop/rock album. I’m hoping it’s more pop than rock. Her blues and jazz background will come through in the vocal. I think Idol needs to keep a presence on top 40 and Haley has just the voice to do it.

  • http://durbnet.wordpress.com/ DurbNet

    Now, if only Casey would get signed, I would be a happy bunny! Or am I too greedy to want him, too?

    I doubt UMG is interested in him, there’s never been any indication that will ever happen. TBH I actually see Casey more as a musician than a solo artist. Casey will probably still have a career in music but as a musician/songwriter/producer. Or he’ll be signed by an indie label.

  • MissMyEm

    Yes, according to my source, Haley is signed, but the label is not ready to announce it yet.

    What are they not ready to announce? I could swear I read it on Twitter the other day.

    Interesting news about Haley recording a Kris Allen song. I hope it’s correct. It’s nice that Kris is getting recognized now for his song writing ability.

    Matthew Morrison released “Still Got Tonight” which was co-written by Kris Allen and it flopped.

    SGT was never released for radio adds in the US. I have no idea what they are waiting for. Perhaps the start of the new Glee season, but it wasn’t sent for adds. Because of that I can’t consider it a flop.

  • McCreerian

    It looks like these three will probably be the only ones signed by 19/idol besides Scotty and Lauren. They may not all necessarily go to Interscope, there are other labels under the UMG. Pia may be the only one who is under that label.

  • MissMyEm

    This doesn’t mean that he didn’t write or co-write the song that Haley is recording, of course. A lot of songs don’t get registered on those sites, especially if they are only demos. So we’ll have to wait and see…

    Quite possibly it’s not the working title either.

  • listen

    That being said, I’m very happy that I’ll get to hear more from Haley. I didn’t catch most any of S10, but I did watch videos here and there and I liked her the best of all the contestants this year. Her Led Zep cover was fantastic.

    Ditto this. ^ ^

    I really like Haley’s style and am looking forward to hearing more from her.

  • Jon

    Honestly, I’m at a point with Haley that she can sing anything and I’ll just play it to death. Not that I want her to go with a direction that she doesn’t want to go to, but listening to her sing anything just gives me chills. Hoping so much that she becomes successful.

  • girlygirl

    someone who ran into Kris at the #ALIVE festival today asked him about the Haley song. He basically said thanks for letting him know. LOL — he’s always the last to know this stuff :)

  • http://durbnet.wordpress.com/ DurbNet

    It looks like these three will probably be the only ones signed by 19/idol besides Scotty and Lauren. They may not all necessarily go to Interscope, there are other labels under the UMG. Pia may be the only one who is under that label.

    James might be signed with Geffen, Aerosmith & Guns ‘n Roses are signed with them.

  • girlygirl

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Haley is signed by Interscope. She would fit there comfortably enough.

  • Jess

    Now, if only Casey would get signed, I would be a happy bunny! Or am I too greedy to want him, too?

    I doubt UMG is interested in him, there’s never been any indication that will ever happen. TBH I actually see Casey more as a musician than a solo artist. Casey will probably still have a career in music but as a musician/songwriter/producer. Or he’ll be signed by an indie label.

    Sounds right, Casey’s voice is ok but it’s unlikely it will get him a recording deal for singing. Looks like his path in the music biz is going to be as a musician/producer which, from what I can tell, he should be really, really good at.

    I’d like to see he and Haley working together. Casey concentrating on the music, arranging, producing. Haley concentrating on the singing of course, and they collaborate on the song writing. I just think they work really well together as a team.

  • everything

    That’s great news for Haley. I just hope they will do her right – and not screw her the way they have with last year’s 3rd place finisher, Casey James. He has yet to release any music, after over a year. I do have higher hopes for Haley since she was from a more popular season of Idol.

  • heidijoy

    Happy to hear the Haley news!!

    should be a good tour this year.

  • Twinsie41

    someone who ran into Kris at the #ALIVE festival today asked him about the Haley song. He basically said thanks for letting him know. LOL — he’s always the last to know this stuff

    Oh! So that does confirm he’s written this song! :)

  • sagi

    Casey is great and all, and they complimented each other on the show, but I want Haley to be on her own. She does not need Casey to carry her, she is strong enough alone. If they work together in the future, great! But for debuting her career it is better to get her name out there on its own.

  • Ringo

    My greatest hope is that the songs not be too over-produced. Haley’s voice and improvisational abilities are what captured me. Background clutter would dampen them.

    And kudos to MJ. It looks like you are moving from what is the equivalent of retweeting other’s reports (don’t get me wrong, we all appreciate that), to making the reports first hand. Keep it up!!

  • AML

    I am a huge fan of Haley’s. And it sounds like the song by Kris Allen was something they already had around. It wasn’t something written specifically for Haley. I have to be honest, Kris’ talent as a song writer has been pretty missed. AWM and SGT were flops. And Kris wrote most of the songs for his album, which remains the second lowest selling album of all the AI winners.

  • girlygirl

    Twinsie41

    No, he didn’t say whether he wrote it or not

  • Landmd

    My greatest hope is that the songs not be too over-produced. Haley’s voice and improvisational abilities are what captured me. Background clutter would dampen them.

    This is my hope too!! This is great news hopefully it will be official soon.

  • bean99

    Can’t wait to see the video when Pia’s sings her single on tour. :)

  • Jess

    My greatest hope is that the songs not be too over-produced. Haley’s voice and improvisational abilities are what captured me. Background clutter would dampen them.

    Exactly, this is where it matters about who is producing her and where the record company is going to position her in the market. If they try to take her down the pop/soft-rock path in order sell they may end up masking that which people fell in love with, namely her uncanny ability to take a song and transform it into something so unique and personal you can’t imagine it being done any other way. Time will tell… let us hope for the best, for both Haley’s sake and ours.

  • B-scot

    Like that Haley’s label is taking their time to get the right songs rather than rush an album out the door like the did with Pia’s.
    The problem is I don’t like waiting until Dec. to hear Haley’s new album.

  • Elliegrll

    AWM and SGT were flops. And Kris wrote most of the songs for his album, which remains the second lowest selling album of all the AI winners.

    SGT has never been released to radio, so how can it be a flop? Kris didn’t write The Truth, and even though it”flopped”, I don’t think that people would come to the conclusion that Toby Gad and Pat Monahan aren’t good songwriters. I don’t think that people would come to that conclusion about any of Kris’ co-writers, including Joe King or Mike Elizondo. Considering that Kris only has a solo writing credit on one song, and the rest were co-written with established, and in some cases Grammy winning or hit making songwriters, I don’t think that there’s enough evidence form KATA to say that Kris isn’t a good writer.

  • TheOther

    Like that Haley’s label is taking their time to get the right songs rather than rush an album out the door like the did with Pia’s.
    The problem is I don’t like waiting until Dec. to hear Haley’s new album.

    Dec actually falls within the 6 month time frame of when Haley was signed and when she is contractually obligated to deliver an album. I don’t see how they are necessarily rushing Pia, since she’s been working on her album since she left Idol and she left back in early Apr.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Good news about Haley being signed!

    I find it unbelievable that out of tune mess Durbin was signed.

    Being pitchy isn’t a problem for recording (see Taylor Swift, Katy Perry). They can easily fix the pitchiness in the studio.

    Casey is great and all, and they complimented each other on the show, but I want Haley to be on her own. She does not need Casey to carry her, she is strong enough alone. If they work together in the future, great! But for debuting her career it is better to get her name out there on its own.

    I think that it would be a big mistake for Haley to collaborate with Casey. As for “being strong enough alone”, if she were to collaborate with Casey, it would be her carrying him, rather than the reverse. Haley needs to establish herself as a solo artist and now is not the time to throw Casey a bone. I honestly don’t see Casey being anything but a local musician.

  • Elliegrll

    Dec actually falls within the 6 month time frame of when Haley was signed and when she is contractually obligated to deliver an album. I don’t see how they are necessarily rushing Pia, since she’s been working on her album since she left Idol and she left back in early Apr.

    Yes, they are pretty much doing the same thing, especially if it’s true that Haley’s first single has already been chosen.

  • chrislongisland

    I am so happy for Haley and James, and all of them really. Between Brooke’s Jack and White EP coming out in July, Kelly’s new album in September, and this Haley news, my three favorite females in Idol history are giving me a lot to be happy about!!!

  • XDavidGoliathX

    I’m wondering if Haley’s and Jame’s ambition to put out albums that may not conform to what is “mainstream” will conflict with what kind of music their producers want from them. For James’ sake I’d like him to record some hard-rockin’ metal, and for Haley, let her record that jazz-blues sound that she’s fond of. Somehow I just can’t envision Haley as this pop-princess with an entourage of dancers on tour with her.

  • AML

    SGT has never been released to radio, so how can it be a flop? Kris didn’t write The Truth, and even though it”flopped”, I don’t think that people would come to the conclusion that Toby Gad and Pat Monahan aren’t good songwriters. I don’t think that people would come to that conclusion about any of Kris’ co-writers, including Joe King or Mike Elizondo. Considering that Kris only has a solo writing credit on one song, and the rest were co-written with established, and in some cases Grammy winning or hit making songwriters, I don’t think that there’s enough evidence form KATA to say that Kris isn’t a good writer.

    Unlike Toby Gad and Pat Monahan, Kris has not written any songs that can be labeled as qualified successes in the market place. SGT was never released to radio – for whatever reason. AWM came and went within a blink, selling even less copies than The Truth. LLWD was not a song that was written by Kris. And his label chose that over the many other songs that Kris wrote on KATA.

  • Elliegrll

    Unlike Toby Gad and Pat Monahan, Kris has not written any songs that can be labeled as qualified successes in the market place. SGT was never released to radio – for whatever reason. AWM came and went within a blink, selling even less copies than The Truth. LLWD was not a song that was written by Kris. And his label chose that over the many other songs that Kris wrote on KATA.

    I don’t understand your point? All I’m saying is that if you are going to question Kris’ qualifications as a writer based on how many copies KATA sold, then you’d have to question the qualifications of the Grammy Award winning and successful writers who helped him write many of the songs on the album.

    Frankly, I think the fact that people have wanted to record some of the songs that Kris has co-written, or used them in other forms of media speaks volumes about his ability and the ability of those who have worked with him.

  • AML

    I don’t understand your point?

    Kris has not written any songs that can be labeled as qualified successes in the marketplace.

    Anyway, back to Haley. I’m sure they will have her working with seasoned professionals in the business, writers who’ve had a proven track record. Looking forward to hearing new music from her.

  • Nina1

    Haley signed? COOL! (But the title of that Katy Perry song makes me very, very nervous.)

  • girlygirl

    AML

    This is a tired argument. Very few Idols actually have writing credits on their hit songs. Most of their biggest hits were written by other people. Adam didn’t wriite WWFM, David Cook didn’t write TOML or Light On. Archie didn’t write Crush. Jordin didn’t write any of her hit songs. Fantasia didn’t write her hit songs. Jennifer Hudson didn’t write her hit songs. Etc etc etc.

    Chris Daughtry, Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood all have co-written/written some of their hit songs, but that’s about it.

    Anyway, getting back to Haley, there’s no indication that this song, whether it was written by Kris or not, will be anything more than an album track. I’d put my money on that Dr. Luke track being the first single. And I’m sure that the label will team Haley with a bunch of proven producers and/or songwriters for her album.

  • http://durbnet.wordpress.com/ DurbNet

    I’m wondering if Haley’s and Jame’s ambition to put out albums that may not conform to what is “mainstream” will conflict with what kind of music their producers want from them. For James’ sake I’d like him to record some hard-rockin’ metal, and for Haley, let her record that jazz-blues sound that she’s fond of. Somehow I just can’t envision Haley as this pop-princess with an entourage of dancers on tour with her.

    It depends which UMG labels they’re signed with. Interscope has dibs but if Scotty & Lauren could be moved to Mercury Nashville, there’s no reason why James & Haley can’t be moved to labels more appropriate for their genres. I’m not clued up on Jazz/Blues labels or if their are any under UMG. James would probably be better off at Geffen than Interscope, even though Geffen also isn’t exclusively a rock label. The absolute best scenario would’ve been for James to sign with Roadrunner because it’s the biggest & best rock/metal label but it’s not part of UMG. I don’t know whether Jimmy was happy to just sign Pia or whether James & Haley had no choice but to sign with Interscope as well.

  • halo9125

    Like that Haley’s label is taking their time to get the right songs rather than rush an album out the door like the did with Pia’s.

    Did I miss something? How is Pia’s album being rushed?

    As far as Haley collaborating with Casey- she’d have to be crazy to do that with a debut album- maybe in 10 years IF she becomes an established artist- but do to so now would be the kiss of death for her, because clearly they have no interest in Casey or his music.

  • windmills

    DurbNet: It depends which UMG labels they’re signed with. Interscope has dibs but if Scotty & Lauren could be moved to Mercury Nashville, there’s no reason why James & Haley can’t be moved to labels more appropriate for their genres

    Scotty and Lauren weren’t 100% moved to Mercury Nashville. They are signed to 19/Interscope/Mercury Nashville. So I would expect that even if Pia, Haley, and James are assigned to other labels in Universal they will also be signed to Interscope.

    TheOther: I don’t see how they are necessarily rushing Pia, since she’s been working on her album since she left Idol and she left back in early Apr.

    I agree.

  • MissMyEm

    AWM came and went within a blink, selling even less copies than The Truth.

    Songs that aren’t sent for adds by a label which is in a state of upheaval as Jive was can’t be considered flops. Of course if one just doesn’t like Kris nothing said will matter. So whatever.

    I cannot imagine the record label who takes on Haley would want her to flop, considering she did not win the show. A label is under no obligation to sign an Idol contestant who doesn’t win. Therefore, I’d guess that they believe in Haley and want her to be a success. So my uneducated guess would be that giving her a song that Kris wrote, or co wrote, whichever the case may be, is speaking volumes that they have faith in both.

    I never got invested in Season 10, but I sort of liked Haley but I knew Scotty would win, even though he’s not my cuppa.

    For the most part these kids go on this show to get a recording contract. I don’t begrudge anyone, no matter who, as long as they play the game fairly without bringing constant unnecessary attention to themselves. But as for Haley…she got some bum deals from the judges and others, but she did get to the 3rd position which is absolutely fine. I wish her total success. And if Kris Allen can help her obtain that success, more power to her. As for Kris…he’s doing just fine. Far better than some may imagine.

  • Elliegrll

    Anyway, getting back to Haley, there’s no indication that this song, whether it was written by Kris or not, will be anything more than an album track. I’d put my money on that Dr. Luke track being the first single.

    Even if it’s “just” an album track, that’s still impressive. They wouldn’t be considering it if they didn’t think that it’s a good song that fits Haley. And even if the Dr. Luke song is the first single, if that song does well, I’m sure that Haley will release more than one song.

    And I’m sure that the label will team Haley with a bunch of proven producers and/or songwriters for her album.

    I’m sure they will, but that doesn’t take anything away from Kris, or the fact that they are going to base their choice on whether or not they think a song is good, and whether or not it works for Haley. Even Dr. Luke has had flops (FYE), so there is no guarantee that PDs are going to play a song just because he wrote or produced it, and most consumers could careless about who wrote a song.

    I’m at a loss as to why this wouldn’t be a good thing for Kris, or why it wouldn’t speak well of his ability as a writer. Nobody forced Jimmy Iovine to have Haley record the song, and he has no connection to Kris, so he must think that the song is good.

  • jasmine

    Unlike Toby Gad and Pat Monahan, Kris has not written any songs that can be labeled as qualified successes in the market place.

    He does have a platinum hit to his credit, and he did co-write (or write) most of the songs on his album — all before he was even 25 years old! How many artists can say that? Plus, now other people want to record songs he has written. Most idol contestants haven’t accomplished anything close to that much by the time they’re 26. We never even heard of some idols by the time they were that age. Imagine what Kris might accomplish by the time he’s 30…..

    I didn’t even watch Idol this year, and I’m intrigued by the news about Haley. Guess I’ll stay tuned.

  • madeformusic

    Awesome news!

    And what comes to the song Kris has written/cowritten (?), you can see it in two ways: either that Kris haven’t wrote any hits (yet) or there are artists/producers/whoever makes decisions who thinks that Kris-penned songs (?) are good enough to make it on other artists record. I know which way I take it :)

  • Elliegrll

    Scotty and Lauren weren’t 100% moved to Mercury Nashville. They are signed to 19/Interscope/Mercury Nashville. So I would expect that even if Pia, Haley, and James are assigned to other labels in Universal they will also be signed to Interscope.

    They will probably have the same setup that Sony had. Meaning, Jimmy will be the main person in charge of all of the idols, just like Clive Davis was during the first few years of Sony’s partnership with 19.

  • Tess

    Boy…this is looking like it will be some over-crowded fall for idol releases if all this speculation turns out to be true. We have been told to expect a Kelly album, Adam says December is his objective, Kris seems to be close and now we apparently have Haley, James, and Pia scheduled for the same time period. And we can’t forget that country music should have albums from Scotty and Lauren, and that someday Casey J. and Danny should release…and isn’t an album on the cusp for Kellie P?

    Then to add to the mix Universal will be releasing their “Voice” winner, Simon will drop another Susan Boyle (and this one is supposed to have some original stuff).

    All in all the Christmas season seems pretty packed…and I have a nagging suspicion that the Idol audience won’t be as inclined to support all their favs and will be a bit selective when buying albums for Christmas gifts. I’ll probably just stick to my couple of favs.

    My point is that I’m beginning to think all these Christmas season releases aren’t going to be doing everyone concerned a favor…and I’m not sure there are enough jingle bally things to handle this many idol/voicettes. Good luck to all concerned….but I don’t know if the market wants to be this saturated with reality show contestants all at one time.

  • girlygirl

    Elliegrll

    oh yeah, the more songs Kris writes that he can placed on other people’s albums, whether they are singles or not, is only a good thing, and I’m excited about it. If he can establish himself as a songwriter as well as a performer, that would be a big boost in extending his career.

    But we don’t even know of he actually had a hand in writing this song Haley is reportedly recording

    As for James, what’s the scoop on him getting set up with a band? I can’t really see him as a solo act. There aren’t too many rock acts who aren’t part of some sort of group. And I can’t see him as a solo act even if he goes the Hot AC route — he really strikes me as a front man for a band

  • miniglik

    I’m excited for all of them! I don’t care if the market is flooded, I’d like to see the lot of them at least get a chance, and they’re almost all in different niches (‘cept Scotty and Lauren), so I don’t think they’ll hurt each other.

    Also, I didn’t watch Season 8, but considering Kris Allen is known because he won a glorified karoake competition, I think it’s impressive to be writing songs good enough to even be non-single tracks on other peoples’ albums.

  • bridgette12

    Tess says:

    06/25/2011 at 5:26 pm

    Boy…this is looking like it will be some over-crowded fall for idol releases if all this speculation turns out to be true. We have been told to expect a Kelly album, Adam says December is his objective, Kris seems to be close and now we apparently have Haley, James, and Pia scheduled for the same time period. And we can’t forget that country music should have albums from Scotty and Lauren, and that someday Casey J. and Danny should release…and isn’t an album on the cusp for Kellie P?

    It’s going to be a very crowded field of Idols releasing music in the fall. I guess we can add Daughtry to the list, because he’s working on a new album.

  • escape

    As far as Haley collaborating with Casey- she’d have to be crazy to do that with a debut album- maybe in 10 years IF she becomes an established artist- but do to so now would be the kiss of death for her, because clearly they have no interest in Casey or his music.

    Except that I don’t most people will even remember Casey Abrams 10 years now. I also don’t think there is any real world interest in a Haley/Casey collaboration aside from some rabid fans.

    This kind of post Idol association was certainly a much ado about nothing when it came to Adam and Allison. Granted, by then, Allison’s career was in such a nose dive that she probably didn’t have a lot of choices besides touring with Adam. But it was obvious that they did not have the same fan base – or even close. And his popularity could not save her from being dropped by Jive.

  • http://durbnet.wordpress.com/ DurbNet

    As for James, what’s the scoop on him getting set up with a band? I can’t really see him as a solo act. There aren’t too many rock acts who aren’t part of some sort of group. And I can’t see him as a solo act even if he goes the Hot AC route — he really strikes me as a front man for a band

    I have been wondering a lot about this lately myself, simply because we haven’t heard anything about it since his NYC media tour. I agree that James MUST front a band, it’s important for his rock cred. Very few rockers/metalheads are successful solo artists, and the ones who have had solo success only pursued solo work after fronting a band for a few years (eg: Rob Thomas & Ozzy Osbourne).

    At the time Daughtry’s debut album was recorded Chris was the sole member of the band. Considering time constraints I see history repeating itself.

  • aidancash1

    Yes it is going to be a crowded field and we will see who rises to the top. Kellie P is do out in the fall and Casey J will probably be right behind her. Casey has alrady established himself as an artist and not a ai contestant with the writing and time he is taking. So I am not concerened he will get lost in the country mix. He just has the it factor.

  • Tess

    Casey has alrady established himself as an artist and not a ai contestant with the writing and time he is taking

    .

    Is he playing all original material that is set for his album when he does a gig? No covers? And if length of time it takes to record an album is a barometer of an artist, then why would anyone ever record anything…the interview teasers “yup, I’m recording but haven’t decided to release anything yet” would be enough to keep them in the limelight for years.

  • tinawina

    but I don’t know if the market wants to be this saturated with reality show contestants all at one time.

    That’s a good point. Does anyone know when The Voice and XFactor plan to release their signees into the wild? I cannot see the music industry absorbing but so many of these people a year.

    As far as the Idols, we are going to have to wait and see how many of these folks actually make a holiday release date. The newer ones will likely be out and probably Kelly, but all the people who are just rumored right now are far from sure bets.

    It’ll tell you one thing… I certainly hope Pia and Haley’s releases are nice and spaced out. I like them both and I don’t think I’m up for the inevitable fanbase sniping.

  • Trina

    James has been completely silent the whole week and I’m assuming he’s been busy working on music along with the rehearsals. I do think he’s spoke to Chris but maybe he’s learned its better to communicate off Twitter lol

    I think James will be willing to compromise a little, and IMO that’s something all new artists working with a mainstream label should be willing to do. You’re being given the opportunity of a lifetime you didn’t have before so why not kwim? That night he got to LA for rehearsals, the night he tweeted Adam..I still think that’s when he found out he was getting signed. He sounded completely wired that night wanting advice, trying to explain how he wanted to try and please everyone with the music he makes and he did a total 180 from his previous tweets. Right up until that morning he was obsessing over that Swedish hair metal band saying that’s what his music would sound like, then literally hours later he was spazzing and saying he’s willing to sit and listen to whatever producers tell him. I had joked at the time he got Jimmy’s “youre not that metal guy” lecture heh..

  • smeggingnuts

    I don’t think that people would come to the conclusion that Toby Gad and Pat Monahan aren’t good songwriters.

    haha have you read the lyrics to HSS?

  • everything

    I’m not sure how exactly has Casey James established himself as an artist when he has yet to release any music? And it’s been over a year since he left Idol. Also, it looks like the shows he has done, were done by another third place finisher from another season (only more of by the later). At this point, Casey James has no timeline for release of a single, let alone a CD.

    I don’t think Haley will have any trouble outselling Casey James. Just as I am very confident that both Scotty and Lauren will do better than Lee and Crystal.

  • aidancash1

    Most artists will miux in covers when they do gigs. Even Carrie U does. But yes he is playing originals. And they are good.Patrick davis who cowrote so sweet with Casey tweeted Casey ws possibly going to be recording so sweet yesterday. Maybe it will be his first single. They are doing the right thing in letting Casey write his own material and not just giving hom 12 songs and here is your cd. He has written around 60 songs for his cd.

  • aidancash1

    I was talking about letting him make connections and proving himself before they just throw him out there. He is building up credibility

  • desiree_chick

    Whew! Kris! Haley! James! Pia! Yes! Love hearing great news surrounding my fav idols. These latest scoops are making my early Saturday evening :)

  • aidancash1

    Oh you cant have it both ways.Complain when a cd comes out quick and the songs are bad. The idol universe works at worp speed. Putting out a cd quick never would off worked for Casey. He move to nashville to engrain himself there and so people kne he was a real musician and not just a idol wannabe who got a record deal. He is also playing all the guitar on his cd. He is playing gigs gaining non ai fans while working on his cd. He couldnt do both if a cd was going to come out in 5 months. Taking the time in the long run is going to pay off for him.

  • everything

    They are doing the right thing in letting Casey write his own material and not just giving hom 12 songs and here is your cd. He has written around 60 songs for his cd.

    And out of this 60 songs, they can’t find 12 that are good enough for a CD? They have never released a single. And there does not even seem to be a timeline for any of this, aside rumors from Casey’s mother.

    I’m not exactly sure what kind of credibility he is building in the industry. Scotty and Lauren have already played the Grand Ole Opry – a huge honor for any Country artist. Casey James has yet to of any of the Idols signed to a major Country label.

    It’s been a year since Casey was signed. There’s a difference between a rush job within 6 mos – and nothing happening in a year regarding releasing music.

  • aidancash1

    What are you talking about. How do you know they cant find the right song. Casey got slowed down a little with his granfathers illness but it is coming. Have you not heard all the orginals he is singing. They werent going to release a single until the cd is almost done and he is finishing that up.

  • aidancash1

    Because when you take the time to work with top song writers in nashville and they see that you really are talented and not just a guy from ai it is building credibility. Just support your favs and quit trying to take others down.

    Casey usnt Scotty or LAUREN. he is a seasoned musician. He is in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT LEAGUE. Just wait you will be eating your words

  • McCreerian

    Boy…this is looking like it will be some over-crowded fall for idol releases if all this speculation turns out to be true. We have been told to expect a Kelly album, Adam says December is his objective, Kris seems to be close and now we apparently have Haley, James, and Pia scheduled for the same time period. And we can’t forget that country music should have albums from Scotty and Lauren, and that someday Casey J. and Danny should release…and isn’t an album on the cusp for Kellie P?

    Aren’t Carrie and Jordin also trying to release in the Fall?

  • koshka

    I think James will be willing to compromise a little, and IMO that’s something all new artists working with a mainstream label should be willing to do.

    Nope.. no way is James going to turn his back on his fans and sell out. He said so. ;) He going to “give metal a chance”.

    Reality is that they all do in some manner or another if they wish for a major label going the AI route. Sads but true.

  • Elliegrll

    Because when you take the time to work with top song writers in nashville and they see that you really are talented and not just a guy from ai it is building credibility. Just support your favs and quit trying to take others down.

    I’m sure that Casey has built credibility with the industry, and that is half of the battle, but if we are talking about alums releasing music around the same time, I think the issue that people are talking about is idol fans being able to buy everyone’s album.

    I don’t buy into this being a problem, especially not for the ones who are established. Daughtry, Kelly and even Kellie have built fanbases that are based on their music, so they really aren’t seen as idols any more, and none of these people should have a problem with getting their music played. The ones who are on their second albums will have problems if they didn’t establish a name for themselves with their first efforts, and if they aren’t able to launch successful singles in advance of their albums coming out. Personally, I don’t think there is a quota on the number of songs from idols that can be on the radio at once, and I don’t think that people will fail to buy an album from their favorite, just because another idol alum is releasing an album.

  • miniglik

    I’m not exactly sure what kind of credibility he is building in the industry. Scotty and Lauren have already played the Grand Ole Opry – a huge honor for any Country artist. Casey James has yet to of any of the Idols signed to a major Country label.

    Don’t know or care about Casey James, but I think the assumption here is that he’s taking a different track, of the “paying his dues” kind. It takes longer and doesn’t give him instant success or exposure, but if he’s at all successful in the long run he’ll have a lot of credibility.

  • aidancash1

    Yes in the short run it may not be a quick success or maybe he will. Who knows but if the songs we are hearing are any indication the time to let him write and treat him as a artist and not try to make a quick buck it is looking good. You could not of just thrown songs at him lke Scotty and Lauren. Its going to be awesome when he is unleashed.People need to get out of the idol world and realize things dont happen like they do for artists who are new. Caseys path is just like the rollout of any new artist and with all these gigs he has a better and better chance of selling more records

  • car3278sweet

    Boy…this is looking like it will be some over-crowded fall for idol releases if all this speculation turns out to be true.

    Yeah, I guess. But we’re in the idol bubble, Tess. We’re constantly tracking these peeps – even when we don’t particularly like the kind of music they do. I don’t have much interest in James attempt to blend weeping guitars with metal music, but heck, I’m following if he’s been signed or not. Color me odd. LOL.

    But do most people buying Adam or Daughtry or Carrie think – Oh, I won’t buy Cookie because I’m buying Daughtry. I won’t buy Carrie ’cause Scotty’s record is coming out? I don’t think so.

    At the end of the line for all these lovely, talented people it’s going to be getting out of the bubble and finding new fans. I notice that Carrie, Kellie, Kelly, Daughtry posts get very little comment. Yet they have broken out and made a career.

    As far as the endless CaseyJ – when the hell is he… debate. I will say it’s clear that his mgmt and label are doing things differently than an average AI person. Okay. I don’t know if this will work. I do know I like the connections he’s made in Nashville and with radio gurus. I do like most of the new music I’ve heard. It appears to me that whether or not he gets lucky and “hits”, he’s found a place in Nashville as a songwriter and guitar player. That makes me happy for him because it’s been his lifelong dream.

    As a fan, I do hope he hits. This would make ME very happy. He’s beautiful to look at, talented and I like his grove. ;-)

  • car3278sweet

    The ones who are on their second albums will have problems if they didn’t establish a name for themselves with their first efforts, and if they aren’t able to launch successful singles in advance of their albums coming out.

    Yep. I always tend to agree with you, Elliegrll.

    The problem for fast buck, fast recorded, fast “get it out there for your fans” for AI alums is the product is often, mostly, usually pretty mediocre, if not down right bad. Thus, though the AI fans adore, the average peep checking the AI alum out says – um, no. And that potential fan is lost. So then when the second record comes out, the AI alum has lost his slavish fans from the show and he already lost potential fans the first time around. He/she is in a terrible position, actually.

    So.. to me… CaseyJ’s rollout is interesting because it’s taking another track.

    And someone, I’m sure, is going to roll out Jason Castro and say THIS WON’T WORK either. Jason released two years after the show, was not wildly successful (though he still has a label) and therefore CaseyJ is doomed to failure also.

    But if you listen to Jason’s first single… my goodness. What a piece of fluffy nothing. A folky, poppy nothing. I am not surprised it didn’t get played on the radio.

    CJ is like any new country artist with a bit more fan base and exposure than most. He’s going to have to put out good stuff and get lucky. We’ll see what happens.

  • car3278sweet

    if length of time it takes to record an album is a barometer of an artist, then why would anyone ever record anything…the interview teasers “yup, I’m recording but haven’t decided to release anything yet” would be enough to keep them in the limelight for years.

    This is pure evil genius, Tess!! I am going to fwd this to CaseyJ’s momma immediately! ;-)

  • soverymel

    Adam says December is his objective

    In the last few months I’ve only ever heard Adam say that he’s hoping for the Fall when asked about the release of his second album. It really seems like he’s been lazer focused on the studio lately, I think it could happen.

    RCAEd threw out some estimates, but he said himself he doesn’t really know anything for sure.

    And yay for Kris for a getting song on Haley’s album! I can totally see that, I think it could be a really good fit.

  • dishwalla

    You could not of just thrown songs at him lke Scotty and Lauren. Its going to be awesome when he is unleashed.People need to get out of the idol world and realize things dont happen like they do for artists who are new. Caseys path is just like the rollout of any new artist and with all these gigs he has a better and better chance of selling more records

    I really haven’t followed Casey James’ career or anyone else from Season 9. But Scotty and Lauren have done well on the charts with their singles, so they must be doing something right. Also, just because someone is taking their time doesn’t automatically mean they will sell more records in the long run. Because if that was truly the case, that would be the career strategy for every artist.

  • Elliegrll

    And someone, I’m sure, is going to roll out Jason Castro and say THIS WON’T WORK either. Jason released two years after the show, was not wildly successful (though he still has a label) and therefore CaseyJ is doomed to failure also.

    I think that Jason’s problem is that Atlantic was relying on his AI popularity, and didn’t do any promotion before his single came out. Casey’s label seems to know how weak AI popularity can be, so they are trying to establish him as an artist, and not just a reality tv star.

  • aidancash1

    The problem and the reason you cant compare Jason Castro to Casey is Casey is in a mainstream vey popular genre. Jason isnt mainstream. There is no comparison so I hope noone even brings up that argument.

  • aidancash1

    Yiur right time isnt going to mean it is going to work. But sure in hell gives him a better chance then just recording twelve songs and putting out a cd.

  • whateverblah

    For the current Idols, it’s critical for them to get something out before next season starts so they can get a chance to perform it on the show and create some buzz.

    I’d love to see Haley go back and sing an amazing new song, and then tell Randy and JLo to stick it where…

  • tinawina

    I think writing yourself vs not writing is highly dependent on the artist. So is recording quickly or slowly. One isn’t better than the other. Casey has to do what’s right for Casey! More power to him and I hope it all works out.

  • aidancash1

    Yes your exactly right. For Casey going through songs that others had written for an entrie album would not of worked for him. He is a very emotional singer and I think singing songs that are more personal to him is the best thing for his career. Now that is not saying he may find that special song someone else wrote but casey needed this time. And you always way overwrite to makesure tou have the best songs for the cd.

  • sr4mjc

    Just catching up, any chance Interscope passed on Haley and RCA picked her up? BC jean and kris are under Sony, Dr. Luke works with a lot of Sony artists.

    ETA: moved kelly’s tweet news to headlines

  • dishwalla

    The problem for fast buck, fast recorded, fast “get it out there for your fans” for AI alums is the product is often, mostly, usually pretty mediocre, if not down right bad. Thus, though the AI fans adore, the average peep checking the AI alum out says – um, no. And that potential fan is lost. So then when the second record comes out, the AI alum has lost his slavish fans from the show and he already lost potential fans the first time around. He/she is in a terrible position, actually.

    But everyone coming off Idol – from Kelly to Carrie, to Daughtry to Adam to Cookie had their albums released within 6 mos of coming off their season. And lot of the debuts often had some pretty big names attached to them. And I think every one (with the exception of Kelly) had lower sales with their second albums.

    Obviously the latest disappointment was David Archuleta. But I think with him it had more to with the fact that he was no longer the cute teen from Idol. And his fans were also growing up and moving on.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    Can we keep this thread focused on the Idols in question? I don’t want this thread going off on tangents about a million other Idols.

    The topic: Deals for Pia, James & Haley.

  • CindyM

    Congrats to James, Haley and Kris but especially Haley, love her!!!

  • Elliegrll

    But everyone coming off Idol – from Kelly to Carrie, to Daughtry to Adam to Cookie had their albums released within 6 mos of coming off their season. And lot of the debuts often had some pretty big names attached to them. And I think every one (with the exception of Kelly) had lower sales with their second albums.

    I think the point is that the risk of pushing an album out fast is that there’s a chance that while it is easier to capitalize off of the idol fans, who are still crazy about their favorite, the downside is that it may not be a good representation of who the artist is, which makes it harder for the alums to get established, and build a fanbase outside of the idol bubble, which is one of the reasons why some of the second albums haven’t done as well as the first ones. The AI fans will buy anything, which is why it doesn’t make any sense to try to appeal to them by including songs that don’t fit the artists’ style.

  • smeggingnuts

    The AI fans will buy anything, which is why it doesn’t make any sense to try to appeal to them by including songs that don’t fit the artists’ style.

    Unless the plan is to milk the idol fans then dump the artist

  • chrislongisland

    With the FIVE rumored to be signed from S10, they have something special:

    1. and 2. Scotty and Lauren – country music marketer’s dreams

    3. Haley – very diverse / moldable voice, plus biggest UNIQUE (non-power-voting) fan-base of any contestant this season, IMO

    4. James – please let him ROCK OUT and do METAL / whatever he wants.

    5. Pia – the classic singer, gorgeous, with vocal chops to back it up

    I really don’t think they will be chewed up and spit out, especially since I think Jimmy Iovine is smarter than that.

  • girlygirl

    This is only a fan site, right? Because they’re saying Love Too Much is a single and will be released in October/November. But it seems like they are using MJ’s as a source, so maybe they are just confused?

    http://ad.vu/aq6h

  • randomjoe

    Just catching up, any chance Interscope passed on Haley and RCA picked her up? BC jean and kris are under Sony, Dr. Luke works with a lot of Sony artists.

    @haleyscoop DH Haley reports “we just heard from a good source” that she “is thisclose to signing with Interscope, nothing’s official yet.”
    http://twitter.com/#!/haleyscoop/status/84751712438591488
    @haleyscoop was the reporter(s) from the Daily Herald (local paper) that was in her entourage and tweeted reports during her hometown visit.

    Some other connections: JC wrote If I was a boy: Beyonce/Haley/finale & is working with Adam

  • Eileen99

    Just catching up, any chance Interscope passed on Haley and RCA picked her up? BC jean and kris are under Sony, Dr. Luke works with a lot of Sony artists.

    I seriously doubt it. If they are working on getting an album out for her this fall, Interscope’s not going to want Sony putting Idol albums out to compete with all the projects they have going on. These sound like Jimmy connections to me with the songwriters, other than Kris, but that could be a 19/Idol connection. Jimmy & Interscope have something to prove in their first year handling Idols; I think Jimmy’s probably hand picking songs for the projects.

    On second thought, we don’t know the Kris song isn’t a Jimmy connection since we don’t know who the co-writers are, assuming Kris is one of them. Kris has been writing with a ton of people over the last few months, it could be any number of his collaborations.

  • chessguy99

    Just catching up, any chance Interscope passed on Haley and RCA picked her up? BC jean and kris are under Sony, Dr. Luke works with a lot of Sony artists.

    Kris and BC Jean, both are with Universal Publishing Group. Interscope is going to give their songwriters first crack at writing for Idol albums.

  • koshka

    These sound like Jimmy connections to me with the songwriters, other than Kris, but that could be a 19/Idol connection. Jimmy & Interscope have something to prove in their first year handling Idols; I think Jimmy’s probably hand picking songs for the projects.

    I really believed this at the beginning of the season.. until I heard the studio versions of their AI songs. I find them to be really second rate.

  • Tess

    If you look at Idol release history a couple of things are somewhat evident. The less idols that release after a given season the more those particular idols sell out of the gates because they seem to get a pretty big boost from the idol audience. Cookie and Archie sold about 2 million between them…but in season 8 where it was 4 idols: Kris, Adam, Danny and Allison the combined number went down considerably. Even with Adams 800k and Kris’ 400k the combined total for the 4 was just about a million and a half. And then the season 9 idols with 3 signed have 2 releases totally about 700k and one signee still on hold. Now it is season 10 and we have 5 idols putting their songs out to the idol faithful. Even with two of the idolettes going country that is still a lot of albums for the faithful to support…especially when the rumor mill seems to have all of them releasing in the late fall. And then there is the ‘Voice’ winner to add to the mix.

    My concern is that the market just might not have enough interest to see all five getting a good intro, hence great sales.

    Scotty, I believe, should do well since he is proving that he has a fan base that is interested in supporting him…he is selling his single (albeit slowly) and he is being played on radio to the point that he is getting some out of the bubble interest. Lauren has done OK with her single (nothing phenomenal) and hopefully the audience that propelled her to second place may stay in her court. But for Haley, James, and Pia they are still unknown with undefined genres…are they going to be marketed to pop audiences which are not always welcoming to new Artists, nevermind reality show contestants. Are they going to HAC which is already crowded with former idolettes or are they going to be marketed to AC which tends to skew much older and much more musically conservative. Or are they going to try and market them to more indy type genres, or rock, where idolettes haven’t had much success.

    I personally think that Universal is just going to throw out newbies to see if they can get an advantage because they were on a reality show…I’ll bet my last dollar that Haley, Pia, and James (if they are signed) probably have a single album contract and were awarded a very minimal signing advance. None of the three have proven, other than some covers released to I-tunes, that they are an immense viable product. I am tempering all my expectations for these three just based on history. Maybe they will totally surprise me.

  • sr4mjc

    ah, I didn’t realize BCJean was with Universal Publishing, that makes sense.

  • dishwalla

    But for Haley, James, and Pia they are still unknown with undefined genres…are they going to be marketed to pop audiences which are not always welcoming to new Artists, nevermind reality show contestants. Are they going to HAC which is already crowded with former idolettes or are they going to be marketed to AC which tends to skew much older and much more musically conservative.

    I would think Pia fits more into the AC category. I also think she would be interesting to watch. Unlike Haley and James, she wasn’t on Idol that long, but she still has the most Twitter followers after Scotty and Lauren. I am not claiming this is a barometer in determining sales, but her followers are obviously coming from somewhere.

    I thought most Idols’ first contract is only for a single album, and the contract is then renegotiated if the label wants a second album; the reason why a lot are dropped after the first album.

  • tomk

    I would think Pia fits more into the AC category. I also think she would be interesting to watch. Unlike Haley and James, she wasn’t on Idol that long, but she still has the most Twitter followers after Scotty and Lauren. I am not claiming this is a barometer in determining sales, but her followers are obviously coming from somewhere.

    It’s probably statistically insignificant. I once had three followers on my twitter account – my wife and two “entities” who I didn’t know…I figured it was some sort of robot that “looks” at what you follow and adds you to their list. Or something like that; I will assume that for the Idols, it is very similar.
    It is possible that Pia gained most of her followers following her “shocking” elimination – while Haley built her followers as the weeks went by until it kind of peaked.
    If either one of them puts out a good single or a good record, the followers will obviously jump accordingly – until then, I just don’t think it is a huge deal :)

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    I thought most Idols’ first contract is only for a single album, and the contract is then reneogiated if the label wants a second album; the reason why a lot are dropped after the first album.

    That would be extremely unusual in the record industry, and since Clarkson has at least hinted about having a multi-record deal (and I believe others have, too), I think most Idols signed by a major label have a normal contract.

    The way these contracts work is that there’s a fairly definite commitment to make one album, and then the label has options to make several more albums with that artist (usually anywhere from two more to five more). Each option is picked up SOLELY at the label’s decision, though you’ll get situations where the label says “we’ll pick up the next option ONLY if you do X,” and artist says “Sorry, no, I’d rather move on.” The terms for each album may be different (usually an escalating advance), but it’s the same contract.

    So most “drops” are the label deciding not to pick up the next option because it deemed the album unlikely to be profitable. The reason labels do it this way, rather than a single-album contract, is that if the first album is a hit, the label doesn’t want to have to renegotiate with a successful artist. The standard contract means if the first album succeeds, the label gets to sponsor the next one — and if it doesn’t, there’s no penalty for dropping the artist. It’s a far less risky way to do business than a single-album contract.

    Indie contracts are often for fewer albums, so it wouldn’t be as surprising to find a one-album contract there. I don’t know why the deals are different, but indie publishing presses are different from big publishing houses, too.

  • tomk

    I personally think that Universal is just going to throw out newbies to see if they can get an advantage because they were on a reality show…I’ll bet my last dollar that Haley, Pia, and James (if they are signed) probably have a single album contract and were awarded a very minimal signing advance. None of the three have proven, other than some covers released to I-tunes, that they are an immense viable product. I am tempering all my expectations for these three just based on history. Maybe they will totally surprise me.

    I think it is very fair to temper expectations. I just think fans of the three just wanted them to get the opportunity – what they do with it, or how the public responds to it we’ll obviously find out. But I am very happy that Haley won’t become a “Remember that girl? Why was she never signed?” type of contestant. Whether she becomes a “Remember that girl? Wow, did she flop!” type of contestant, we’ll see – same goes for Pia & James, obviously.

  • steph6449

    And then the season 9 idols with 3 signed have 2 releases totally about 700k and one signee still on hold.

    That seems about twice as high a number as anything I’m aware of for S9 combined album sales to date…

    But in general, yes, does make me wonder how things will go this year with five signed AI10 finalists, for discussion’s sake, and one or more coming from the Voice plus a ton of prior AI alums due to put out albums this fall or early 2012.

  • tomk

    @haleyscoop DH Haley reports “we just heard from a good source” that she “is thisclose to signing with Interscope, nothing’s official yet.”
    http://twitter.com/#!/haleyscoop/status/84751712438591488
    @haleyscoop was the reporter(s) from the Daily Herald (local paper) that was in her entourage and tweeted reports during her hometown visit.

    Haleyscoop has been fun to follow. I trust both sources. I wonder if the Haleyscoop source is the family – it is possible that Haley has not been allowed to tell her family “signed sealed and delivered” – hence, they can’t tell Haleyscoop that it is official.

  • tomk

    But in general, yes, does make me wonder how things will go this year with five signed AI10 finalists, for discussion’s sake, and one or more coming from the Voice plus a ton of prior AI alums due to put out albums this fall or early 2012.

    We have to remember that Scotty & Lauren cater to much different audiences than the other 3. And Pia, James, Haley (though perhaps going for the same types of radio stations) also have diverse voices and bring different genres to the table.

    I don’t see it as a huge deal that they will be coming out around the same time period; I am very excited to hear Pia’s first song; and as a huge fan of Haley’s, I can’t wait to hear what she has in store for us. If they both put great songs on the radio, it won’t really matter where they came from or who they are competing with :)

    I would hope that Jimmy Iovine would have a plan in place to make this work. He has a lot at stake here.

  • Montavilla

    Casey is great and all, and they complimented each other on the show, but I want Haley to be on her own. She does not need Casey to carry her, she is strong enough alone. If they work together in the future, great! But for debuting her career it is better to get her name out there on its own.

    I think that if Casey and Haley were to collaborate musically, she’d be carrying him at this point. I don’t know why it would hurt her, though. Would be people look at the album and go, “I love Haley, but singing with Casey? Ew!”

    There have been plenty of successful singing duos through the years, there have been Idol who have successfully collaborated with all sorts of singers/musicians/producers. It doesn’t seem like it would be any worse to do so with someone just because they were also on Idol.

    I’m not saying they ought to put out a duet or whatever. I think it’s an interesting idea and I liked “Moanin'” a lot. The only reason I would say they shouldn’t collaborate is because they don’t want to.

  • steph6449

    We have to remember that Scotty & Lauren cater to much different audiences than the other 3. And Pia, James, Haley (though perhaps going for the same types of radio stations) also have diverse voices and bring different genres to the table.

    For their sake, hope so, but it could be easy for some of them to get lost in the shuffle. And have to wonder how much of a promo budget can be directed toward them with that many to cover. Maybe I’m being influenced by remembering how cheap AI was this year, lol, in paying for the tour and even the signing contracts for winner and runner-up.

  • 50diamonds

    So happy for James, Haley and Pia – but especially for James! It’s awesome that there is such a diversity of styles this season – country, rock and jazzy blues. I can’t wait to hear James rock. He has such a throwback Plant voice. And Haley sounds a lot like Duffy – retro girl-soul. Pia is classic – don’t know what she will do. But she has great chops. I’m looking forward to hearing what all three of them do. But, I love good old rock and roll the best!

  • askew3

    I hope your Haley news is correct. Being signed and having a song written by hitmaker Dr. Luke is a big deal. And BC Jean wrote “If I Were a Boy” another smash song.

    Excellent news.

  • whateverblah

    I hope your Haley news is correct. Being signed and having a song written by hitmaker Dr. Luke is a big deal. And BC Jean wrote “If I Were a Boy” another smash song.

    Maybe she heard Haley sing “If I Were a Boy” on finale night and wanted a piece of that action. :)

  • tomk

    So happy for James, Haley and Pia – but especially for James! It’s awesome that there is such a diversity of styles this season – country, rock and jazzy blues. I can’t wait to hear James rock. He has such a throwback Plant voice. And Haley sounds a lot like Duffy – retro girl-soul. Pia is classic – don’t know what she will do. But she has great chops. I’m looking forward to hearing what all three of them do. But, I love good old rock and roll the best!

    My wife and I were driving today and heard “Bleeding Love” by Leona Lewis; just listening to it, I can imagine Pia. I am not saying that they should make her into a clone – but there is a certain wheelhouse there that she can use as she records her album.
    Haley having a song called “Retro Kinda Girl” shows me that people are paying attention. Kinda cool that she co-wrote it, and I hope it is good enough to make it to the album itself.
    Haven’t heard much on what James has been working on; I just hope it shows his vision without being too much metal, because I don’t think heavy metal is coming back. He can make it edgy though without being metal; and I think that is the point Jimmy was trying to drive home on the show.

  • Mtlfan

    Excellent news!!!
    Kris has yet to write/co-write a hit song but this is great that some songs he co-wrote are good enough to be picked for other artists records. That tells me a lot about his talent.
    Woohoo for my season 10 fav Haley for being signed :)

  • ituneit

    Excellent news!!!
    Kris has yet to write/co-write a hit song but this is great that some songs he co-wrote are good enough to be picked for other artists records. That tells me a lot about his talent.

    Not to burst the bubble but they are both under the same management team. Its cheap, so probably not so much to do with his song writing skills as it is that they are under the same management.

  • tomk

    Not to burst the bubble but they are both under the same management team. Its cheap, so probably not so much to do with his song writing skills as it is that they are under the same management.

    Perhaps – but even in that case, it has to be an honor that a song you wrote is being considered for the album of someone else. That’s not easy to pull off. Remember, there are probably plenty of “cheap” songs to choose from for Haley (and really anybody) to record. So the fact that they picked one of Kris’s off of that stack does show that he has some writing ability.

  • tomk

    For their sake, hope so, but it could be easy for some of them to get lost in the shuffle. And have to wonder how much of a promo budget can be directed toward them with that many to cover. Maybe I’m being influenced by remembering how cheap AI was this year, lol, in paying for the tour and even the signing contracts for winner and runner-up.

    As we definitely know, nothing is a sure thing. They are competing with many different talents on the music scene; and I hope they are already prepared for that.
    I think they diverse talents definitely help them, though. I think it is easier for James to not compete with Scotty; for Haley to not really be competing with Pia; for neither of them to be competing with Lauren. The most the fans for any of them could have wished for is what it looks like they are getting: A chance.

  • YeahRight

    But I am very happy that Haley won’t become a “Remember that girl? Why was she never signed?” type of contestant. Whether she becomes a “Remember that girl? Wow, did she flop!” type of contestant, we’ll see – same goes for Pia & James, obviously.

    She’ll become that type of contestant. Same with Pia and Durbin.

  • CindyM

    Even with Adams 800k and Kris’ 400k the combined total for the 4 was just about a million and a half. And then the season 9 idols with 3 signed have 2 releases totally about 700k and one signee still on hold.

    Season 9 didn’t come anywhere near 700K. Last numbers for Lee were around 145K and for Crystal 190K.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Not to burst the bubble but they are both under the same management team. Its cheap, so probably not so much to do with his song writing skills as it is that they are under the same management.

    Not to burst the bubble, but the announcement yesterday said clearly that Red Light Management had picked up its option to manage Reinhart, while Allen is managed by 19.

    Reinhart’s label — whatever it is — is trying to get an album put together in very limited time (since she’ll be touring for the next few months). A&R is not going to waste resources on songs it doesn’t think will work for her. Sure, she’ll record more songs than get tracked; but labels are not charities. If a Kris Allen song is being recorded, it’s because somebody at the label seriously thinks it’ll work for Reinhart, at least as a deep album track.

  • tomk

    She’ll become that type of contestant. Same with Pia and Durbin.

    The odds are in your favor – but I am trying to be a bit more optimistic about this bunch than I have been about some of the bunches in years past. Obviously, you are talking one in a million that we have five contestants who are going to put out multiple hit singles and more albums than we can count. But I do think they all have the talent to potentially make some sort of mark in the industry. Again, we’ll see – sooner than most people thought, it appears.

  • songsungblue

    But I am very happy that Haley won’t become a “Remember that girl? Why was she never signed?” type of contestant. Whether she becomes a “Remember that girl? Wow, did she flop!” type of contestant, we’ll see – same goes for Pia & James, obviously.

    She’ll become that type of contestant. Same with Pia and Durbin.

    Can I borrow your crystal ball to check the weather in September? I’m planning a vacation :)

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    the announcement yesterday said clearly that Red Light Management had picked up its option to manage Reinhart,

    19 and Red Light will co-manage Haley and James.

  • Elliegrll

    I personally think that Universal is just going to throw out newbies to see if they can get an advantage because they were on a reality show…I’ll bet my last dollar that Haley, Pia, and James (if they are signed) probably have a single album contract and were awarded a very minimal signing advance. None of the three have proven, other than some covers released to I-tunes, that they are an immense viable product.

    Nobody comes off of the show being a proven product. They won’t get the chance to show that they are marketable until they enter the industry and release music.

    I’m starting to think that Interscope is serious about developing these people. A Dr. Luke song isn’t cheap. So far, all five of this year’s group are working with some top line producers and writers.

  • McCreerian

    But in general, yes, does make me wonder how things will go this year with five signed AI10 finalists, for discussion’s sake, and one or more coming from the Voice plus a ton of prior AI alums due to put out albums this fall or early 2012.

    I don’t think it will be that big of a deal, especially for idol alums. Hopefully by now the idol alums have fans outside of the idol bubble also. So then it would be no different as artists outside of idol releasing albums at the same time.

  • Elliegrll

    Not to burst the bubble but they are both under the same management team. Its cheap, so probably not so much to do with his song writing skills as it is that they are under the same management.

    The only place where cheap enters into the equation is that Interscope doesn’t have to pay someone to write a song specifically for Haley, but they still have to pay Kris and any other writers their full royalties, and they have to pay the full amount to Kris or whoever owns the publishing rights to the song. In the end, it’s still a great opportunity for Kris, if the song is chosen for Haley’s album.

  • Swind

    YeahRight says:

    06/26/2011 at 12:06 am

    But I am very happy that Haley won’t become a “Remember that girl? Why was she never signed?” type of contestant. Whether she becomes a “Remember that girl? Wow, did she flop!” type of contestant, we’ll see – same goes for Pia & James, obviously.

    She’ll become that type of contestant. Same with Pia and Durbin.

    If their music is good/catchy and they’re promoted right, it will sell. I believe Haley, Pia, Scotty and Lauren have it a lot easier right now than James, based on genre alone. I wish the best for all of them, especially my girl Haley.

  • ross

    Kris has yet to write/co-write a hit song but this is great that some songs he co-wrote are good enough to be picked for other artists records.

    Not to burst the bubble but they are both under the same management team. Its cheap, so probably not so much to do with his song writing skills as it is that they are under the same management.

    The original poster simply said it was great that Kris’s songs are good enough to be recorded by other artists. It seems you’re trying to argue they aren’t really good enough, just cheap enough. Am I correct? I don’t know why but I can’t help laughing, because I’m picturing a producer saying, “Well, this song sucks, but out of all the songs we have to choose from, let’s make Haley sing it because we can get it really cheap. Maybe nobody will notice the songwriter doesn’t have any talent.” lol

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Wow. Just logged in haven’t read all the comments. Not shocking to me considering the urls. Just saying…

    ETA: James and Haley’s urls have been mapped to UMG. Pia’s is still mapped to 19.

  • springboard

    Am I correct? I don’t know why but I can’t help laughing, because I’m picturing a producer saying, “Well, this song sucks, but out of all the songs we have to choose from, let’s make Haley sing it because we can get it really cheap. Maybe nobody will notice the songwriter doesn’t have any talent.” lol

    If they want to produce an album on a budget, they’ll pick songs that are easy to get and cheap even if they are mediocre, or at least they’ll pick a few of them as fillers.
    I am not saying that’s what it will happen for Haley’s album, I hope not!
    As for the songs mentioned, even if they are being discussed, it is unlikely that they are firmly picked to make the album at this stage, and also sometimes songs with big names attached to them turn out crap, and vice-versa.
    I am just glad that Haley is signed and trying to have as little expectations as possible.

  • jsrj98

    Wow. Just logged in haven’t read all the comments. Not shocking to me considering the urls. Just saying…

    Yeah. The “perfect storm” for generating tons of comments: good vibes for news-starved Haley, James & Pia fans. Way to go MJ.

  • Montavilla

    But in general, yes, does make me wonder how things will go this year with five signed AI10 finalists, for discussion’s sake, and one or more coming from the Voice plus a ton of prior AI alums due to put out albums this fall or early 2012.

    And what’s going to happen next year? Thing is, every year adds 12 or 13 new finalists to obsess about, and they don’t really seem to go away. :) So, either the fan base has to expand, or the these AI/X-Factor/Voice contestants end up carving smaller and smaller pieces off the same pie.

    When Kelly won her title, she had only Justin Guarini to compete against for fans of the show. With each year, there are more and more Alumni vying for the same inside-the-bubble market — which is one reason why it becomes harder for each Idol to reach the sales numbers of his or her predecessors.

    Which maybe makes the concept of the post-idol horse race obsolete.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Yeah. The “perfect storm” for generating tons of comments: good vibes for news-starved Haley, James & Pia fans. Way to go MJ.

    I do not think MJ would post something she didn’t believe to have merit.

  • jsrj98

    I do not think MJ would post something she didn’t believe to have merit.

    No disrespect meant. I think this is fantastic news.

  • Grammie Kari

    With each year, there are more and more Alumni vying for the same inside-the-bubble market — which is one reason why it becomes harder for each Idol to reach the sales numbers of his or her predecessors.

    Which maybe makes the concept of the post-idol horse race obsolete.

    Montavilla, your summary seems quite correct. Even the top stars not associated with a Reality Show will feel the pressure of competittion. In the end, it may be a gift of good music. One can only hope.

  • isisdagmar

    I don’t watch idol but I did listen to some of Haley’s youtubes, and I actually really like her voice, so I might check out her album. She also seems pretty and interesting, so maybe she could actually make it. :)

    I don’t think Kris is a very good songwriter from what I’ve heard, but obviously that’s a matter of personal opinion, and it’s very good for him that other artists are using some of his songs. :)

  • jlurksacto

    With each year, there are more and more Alumni vying for the same inside-the-bubble market — which is one reason why it becomes harder for each Idol to reach the sales numbers of his or her predecessors.

    So I’m allowed to buy only one “Alumni’s” CD? But as many as I want
    outside of the bubble?

  • Valentin432

    With each year, there are more and more Alumni vying for the same inside-the-bubble market — which is one reason why it becomes harder for each Idol to reach the sales numbers of his or her predecessors.

    Except every year as many past idols fall into obscurity.
    Doesn’t matter, if there were over 250 past idol contestants, only a handfull from the first seasons are putting out material.

    The big reason why it’s harder to achieve the same numbers as before is the decline in album sales overall. This has nothing to do with inside/outside idol difference and is true for every artist.

  • tomk

    If they want to produce an album on a budget, they’ll pick songs that are easy to get and cheap even if they are mediocre, or at least they’ll pick a few of them as fillers.
    I am not saying that’s what it will happen for Haley’s album, I hope not!

    But you would think there are a lot of songs they can get that are “cheap” (I have no idea exactly what we mean by cheap!)…. I don’t see why they would pick out the mediocre ones. There are surely many songs they can get cheaply that actually have merit.
    I would assume that if a producer saw a song and hated it or thought it was mediocre, he would toss it to the side to never be seen again. He wouldn’t hold onto it for a year, waiting to hand it off to a singer they are looking to make some money off of. :) I don’t think that passes the smell test.

  • springboard

    I would assume that if a producer saw a song and hated it or thought it was mediocre, he would toss it to the side to never be seen again. He wouldn’t hold onto it for a year, waiting to hand it off to a singer they are looking to make some money off of.

    Albums are full of mediocre songs, and idol albums have their fair share of them because labels rely on fans buying anything because they are fans…

  • tomk

    Albums are full of mediocre songs, and idol albums have their fair share of them because labels rely on fans buying anything because they are fans…

    But my point is that a producer will not knowingly hand over a mediocre song to a singer just because it is cheap. If the song comes off as mediocre once the album is released, I don’t think that was the original intention. I think producers give singers songs they think are actually good…even the songs that may be designed as “album filler”.
    I am not sure if a record company would say: “Sing this song – we don’t think it is any good, but we want to put a #12 on your album, and nobody will care”. I think they legitimately think every song they hand over IS good – it just turns out that what they think isn’t always right.

  • samgamgee

    What’s been lacking in idol releases is that memorable song that the general public remembers. The reason why Kelly, Carrie, and Daughtry are successful is because of their songs, they’re catchy. Put out a good song, a really good song, and it will sell like hotcakes.

  • Moria Polonius

    Put out a good song, a really good song, and it will sell like hotcakes.

    That’s very idealistic and I don/t buy it. At all.

    As to the ready songs and cheap songwriters: as somebody said, Dr. Luke ain’t cheap. It’s quite possible that they’ll blow most of their budget (which I doubt is anything to write home about as far as Idol top finishers go) for Dr. Luke and BC Jean and then they’ll have to use whatever’s left that remotely fits Haley. I’m not too keen on the Kris Allen song because I generally don’t care for the Kris Allen type of songs (and Matthew Morrison didn’t do anything to convince me) so I’m praying that if Haley really is about to record it, she’ll put enough of a spin on it, or growl and scream her way through it, so that it won’t be a total bore. As long as there are other songs whose sound I’d dig, I don’t mind having a throwaway track that others might enjoy. Or maybe “Love Too Much” will surprise me and will turn out to be a great song. I hope.

  • tripp_ncwy

    nvm

  • springboard

    I am not sure if a record company would say: “Sing this song – we don’t think it is any good, but we want to put a #12 on your album, and nobody will care”.

    I think that they would say “Sing this song – we don’t think it is any good, but, we want to put a #12 on your album, we think it is a perfect fit for your style. and nobody will care. We got a good deal for it, and the writer is part of our stables, it’s all good”…and think the crossed out parts. In my cynical opinion, of course. :)

  • jinger

    Yay! Great news for all the idols involved! And here’s to Kris getting more of his cheap, boring, mediocre songs recognized by the music industry in the future. :)

  • Elliegrll

    Albums are full of mediocre songs, and idol albums have their fair share of them because labels rely on fans buying anything because they are fans…

    I doubt that anyone releases an album with the feeling that any of the songs are mediocre. They will feel that some songs are stronger than others, or that some songs will work better on the radio, but they wouldn’t put a song on an album if they thought that the song sucked.

    I’m not too keen on the Kris Allen song because I generally don’t care for the Kris Allen type of songs (and Matthew Morrison didn’t do anything to convince me) so I’m praying that if Haley really is about to record it, she’ll put enough of a spin on it, or growl and scream her way through it, so that it won’t be a total bore.

    The sound of any song that Haley sings will automatically take on her style, and the style of whoever produces it.

    If they want to produce an album on a budget, they’ll pick songs that are easy to get and cheap even if they are mediocre, or at least they’ll pick a few of them as fillers.

    I still don’t know where the concept of cheap comes from. They still have to pay the people involved the same amount that they would have to shell out for any song, so how is that cheap?

  • mickeybordentwo

    Elliegrll says:
    06/26/2011 at 7:52 am

    I still don’t know where the concept of cheap comes from. They still have to pay the people involved the same amount that they would have to shell out for any song, so how is that cheap?

    I’m completely unfamiliar with Kris’s original songs, so I have no opinion of them, but I assume different songs by different songwriters sell for different amounts. Just as a proven money making screenwriter gets paid more than a screenwriter whose work has flopped at the box office, or a best selling novelist gets a bigger advance than one whose last book sold 800 copies.

    In addition (although I don’t know this to be the case) if a songwrier is on staff, expected to produce X number of songs, they and their songs are probably treated with less respect than a songwriter who is brought in for a project to write one or maybe two songs.

    My guess is the more the company pays for a song (for anything, but in this case a song), the more respect the company shows to that song, figuring if it cost that much, it must be worth it.

    People making money decisions tend to equate cost with quality. I think they’re wrong, but I’m not the one making the money decisions, so my viewpoint is bound to be different from theirs.

  • Yvonne13

    I am absolutely thrilled to hear about James and Haley and cannot wait for their music!

  • HR

    If her album has a song written by Kris Allen on it then I assume they like the song. They can find cheap songs anywhere. They don’t need to rummage in Allen’s reject pile because he’s the only one in this entire world they can find a song from at the right price.

    Isn’t it time the season 8 fanwars ended. I disliked them in season 8 and have no interest in them now.

  • chrislongisland

    People have to stop obsessing and comparing album sales from ten years ago, five years ago, two years ago, and today. No one really makes money on album sales, it’s the touring and the things they do to market themselves around an album that makes money.

    Gaga, for example, makes practically nothing on her album sales. However, she makes MILLIONS on touring, merchandise, and everything else she can sell and do based on her album coming out.

    The album is just a centerpiece these days, and a lot of other things matter more, unfortunately, in this day and age.

  • mmb

    Interesting tidbits. I would bet that Pia debuts her single on z100 when they are in the NYC area- she is a New York girl, and the only potential pop act from season 10. So it wouldn’t surprise me if she gets some initial support from Z. Maybe she is already signed up for jingle ball.

    It remains to be seen whether 19r and 19m can make a go of 5 artists from a single season- I am dubious as they haven’t had much success in the past with launching more than one or two artists a season ( s5 had more but some of those peeps were managed by others or signed to non 19 affiliated labels). Not only will 19m ( or XIX- its hard to know who is doing what these days….) have the s10 5, but they also are launching new eras for Adam and Kris, cook will have new singles, unclear who daughtry is with now but their new era will start late fall etc etc. 19 hasn’t demonstrated a great ability to multitask in the past. Will be interesting how they handle 7-10 launches this fall

  • Kirsten

    My guess is the more the company pays for a song (for anything, but in this case a song), the more respect the company shows to that song, figuring if it cost that much, it must be worth it.

    Songwriters make money by writing hit songs. They don’t sell their songs so much as place them.

    The revenue for a songwriter are from the following:

    1. Mechanical Royalties – each time a copy of the song is sold, the songwriters get paid. A typical song earns the songwriter $0.091 (more if it’s longer than 5 minutes) – whether it is sold as a download or part of an entire album.

    2. Performance Royalties – paid for when the song is played on radio, concerts, wedding, on-hold, during sporting events, or whatever. The songwriter registers with a Performance Rights Organization and various venues and radio stations pay a yearly fee for all the songs they play. The PROs figure out how much each of the registered artists should get of that money based on how much each of their songs were played (easy to track on radio – difficult at weddings). They also get a chunk out of every blank tape, CD or DVD sold in the US (because people steal music).

    3. Synchronization Royalties – when the song is used in a movie, commercial, television show, video game, etc. These rates are negotiable and sometimes the songs are really cheap because it might lead to more sales. Sometimes, it’s really expensive (like when Microsoft used the Stones “Start Me Up”).

    4. Print royalties – revenue from selling sheet music.

    That money is split between the songwriters (and the various managers, publishing companies, etc).

    So, songwriters make money if their song becomes popular. Therefore, songwriters carefully shop their songs around. They will offer their better songs to artists who are likely to have a hit because that means more money for them.

    Songs aren’t cheap (because of how they are paid for), but songs can be easy. If Haley can’t get good songs and is singing sloppy seconds, it’s because songwriters don’t want to trust her with their good songs. The pool of songwriters is much larger than Dr. Luke and Kris.

    I don’t know why people keep thinking that Haley can’t get offered good songs. I think she can (but then I think she’s great!).

  • Montavilla

    So I’m allowed to buy only one “Alumni’s” CD? But as many as I want outside of the bubble?

    Of course you can buy as many albums as you want and can afford — whether they are AI Alumni or not. But how many do you really want to buy?

    To make a simple analogy: I like fruit, and I’ll buy a certain amount of it each week, including apples. If the only apple in the stores are Red Delicious apples, then that’s what I’ll buy. But when the store has Red Delicious, Golden Delicious, Fuji, Gala, Jonagold, Granny Smith, etc… I’m not going to keep expanding my budget for apples so that I can get them all every week. Eventually, I’m going to decide to forgo the ones I like somewhat and concentrate on buying my favorite.

    Except every year as many past idols fall into obscurity.?Doesn’t matter, if there were over 250 past idol contestants, only a handfull from the first seasons are putting out material.

    According to Wikipedia, 55 Idol Alumni (including William Hung and Josiah Leming) have put out albums since 2003. Clay Aiken appears to hold the honor of most albums (5), but about 20 have done multiple cds. I counted over 100 albums on the list — all drawing on the same major source of fans: People who watch Idol and get invested enough to support an artist that they see.

    The big reason why it’s harder to achieve the same numbers as before is the decline in album sales overall. This has nothing to do with inside/outside idol difference and is true for every artist.

    I agree. I didn’t say that the proliferation of Reality Competition singers (including those from The Voice and X-Factor) was the only factor in declining sales for individual Idols. But I do think that it’s a large factor.

  • Elliegrll

    In addition (although I don’t know this to be the case) if a songwrier is on staff, expected to produce X number of songs, they and their songs are probably treated with less respect than a songwriter who is brought in for a project to write one or maybe two songs.

    Kris isn’t on Interscope’s staff, nor is he a writer for any label. He has his own publishing label and his own publishing deal. Kris is not a staff writer who is expected to crank out a certain number of songs for people.

    Why would someone work for a label if their work would be disrespected? That doesn’t make any sense to me. Nor does the concept that a label would hire writers if they didn’t think that their work wasn’t any good, or if they were going to disrespect them. The main reason why a label would have staff writers is because they admire their work, and they believe that these writers songs could help their artists.

    People making money decisions tend to equate cost with quality. I think they’re wrong, but I’m not the one making the money decisions, so my viewpoint is bound to be different from theirs.

    I think all of our viewpoints are also skewed by not knowing how the industry actually works. For example, it’s been stated that Dr. Luke only works with Sony artists, which isn’t true, or that labels only use writers from their own company, which also isn’t true. Part of the process for any artist is that writers will send demos of their work to a label, when they hear that someone is about to start work on an album. So, it’s not cheap or out of the ordinary for labels to consider songs that are already complete as well as original songs, when they are producing an album.

    And as Kirsten just said, Dr. Luke and Kris will be paid the same way. That’s the point that I’ve been trying to make. Neither song is cheap, we could say that they are easy, because they are songs that have already been written, so Interscope doesn’t have to spend any money on that end, but the label has to pay the writers/publishers the same amount of royalties, so the word cheap doesn’t fit this situation.

  • springboard

    They will feel that some songs are stronger than others, or that some songs will work better on the radio, but they wouldn’t put a song on an album if they thought that the song sucked.

    I depends how much they are prepared to pay for the songs. If their budget is limited, they’ll go for limited quality, and it’s clear that the investment varies from artist to artist.
    I am not saying that it is the case for Haley, and I hope that it’s not because I am a fan. It’s just what I think happens in general.

  • Trina

    FYI Pia’s domain is now on the UMG server. Looks like it was transferred on 6/24.

  • http://www.kellydeanhansen.com MahlerFan

    Whether or not “Retro Kind of Girl” is the single–that sure sounds like an awesome album title. I hope Haley doesn’t just go the self-titled album route. It’s far less interesting, especially with a track on the album that is as descriptive as that!

    FYI Pia’s domain is now on the UMG server. Looks like it was transferred on 6/24.

    And everything begins to fall into place…

  • kmd

    It looks like good news for Haley and James. I am happy for them. I hope Casey A. also ends up with some kind of record deal. There are so many reality competition singers from these talent shows out there now with record deals or potential record deals. It will be very interesting to see what happens to them all.

  • Kirsten

    I depends how much they are prepared to pay for the songs. If their budget is limited, they’ll go for limited quality, and it’s clear that the investment varies from artist to artist.

    They don’t pay for songs so it doesn’t depend on that at all. It might depend on how much they are willing to pay their A&R staff to sift through songs submitted or phone up songwriters and say “Send over songs for our hot new prospect. She’s an Adele meets Joplin meets Gaga with a modern twist!”

    I should submit a song to Haley’s A&R staff if it’s that easy to get a song on her album. I could use the dough.

    In addition (although I don’t know this to be the case) if a songwrier is on staff, expected to produce X number of songs, they and their songs are probably treated with less respect than a songwriter who is brought in for a project to write one or maybe two songs.

    This isn’t the 50s. They don’t have staff songwriters anymore. Labels have songwriters they like, but they aren’t on staff. Songwriters have to write songs that become popular in order to make money.

    Also, AFAIK, Kris Allen is not on staff at Interscope in any capacity (though, I’m sure he wouldn’t say no to the dough). Do people have evidence to the contrary?

  • Elliegrll

    I depends how much they are prepared to pay for the songs. If their budget is limited, they’ll go for limited quality, and it’s clear that the investment varies from artist to artist.
    I am not saying that it is the case for Haley, and I hope that it’s not because I am a fan. It’s just what I think happens in general.

    A label might not have the money to lure in big name producers, but nobody is going to release an album if they think the songs are not quality material. IMO, that just doesn’t happen. And even though there may be a need to put down some writers, the scenarios that you have presented don’t go along with how the process actually works. The notion of cheap songs has already been dispelled.

  • springboard

    They don’t pay for songs so it doesn’t depend on that at all. It might depend on how much they are willing to pay their A&R staff to sift through songs submitted or phone up songwriters and say “Send over songs for our hot new prospect. She’s an Adele meets Joplin meets Gaga with a modern twist!”

    I should submit a song to Haley’s A&R staff because if it’s that easy to get a song on her album. I could use the dough.

    If they don’t pay writers upfront at all, only in royalties per sale, the situation is similar. The end result will depend on how much the A&R is willing to hunt for songs, and how good the songs they are offered are. Good songwriters keep their best work for high profile artists. The others get the crumbs, and the left-overs that didn’t make someone’s album.

    A label might not have the money to lure in big name producers, but nobody is going to release an album if they think the songs are not quality material. IMO, that just doesn’t happen.

    Of course it does happen, particularly with idol, X Factor etc..alumni. They release albums to cash in on the contestant short lived popularity with little regard for quality.
    Most of these album would never take off the ground if they had no tie to one of these shows.

  • Elliegrll

    The fact that they are giving her a Kris Allen song to me shows they don’t have much faith in her selling abilities and don’t want to invest money. I know that ruffles feathers amongst Idol tardnation. It’s not meant to slam Kris but if you look at it realistically instead of through the eyes of an Idol tard you would see it.

    I’m just going to have to fail to see it, since if we are going to slam Kris, then we’d have to slam the Dr. Luke song that she’s been given. And then we would have to slam them for giving Adam a song that was written by Pink and and Max Martin, or for giving Kris a song that was written by two Grammy award winning songwriters and producers.

    Based on the little that we do know, Haley’s album, just like most other idol albums, will have songs that were written for other people, and songs that were written just for her. That’s pretty much the norm for any artist.

  • Kirsten

    If they don’t pay writers upfront at all, only in royalties per sale, the situation is similar. The end result will depend on how much the A&R is willing to hunt for songs, and how good the songs they are offered are. Good songwriters keep their best work for high profile artists. The others get the crumbs, and the left-overs that didn’t make someone’s album.

    Yep. I was just correcting the huge misunderstandings that have been posted in this thread.

    If Haley is recording Kris’s song, it is because her A&R staff think it’s one of the 12-20 best songs that songwriters are willing to let her record. Some seem to almost be arguing that it is one of the 12 or fewer that were submitted, period.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    Don’t question the motives of or criticize or condescend to your fellow posters.

    Also, pick one user name. I hate sockpuppets.

    Yep. I can tell when you do that.

  • mickeybordentwo

    I am truly stunned at the concept that all songwriters, from the lowest on the ladder to the songwriting superstars, work on spec. I’ve spent my entire adult life in the book publishing industry, and believe me, it doesn’t work that way.

    I did some googling on how songwriters get paid, and spec does seem to be the impression given. The only thing I found (from the Ohio Bar Association) that suggests otherwise is this:

    Q.: Do I need a publisher?

    A.: No. The law does not require a songwriter to use a publisher. However, a songwriter would have difficulty making music industry contacts himself or herself, and likely would benefit from a publisher’s experience. Also, a publisher might pay periodic advance money to a songwriter in exchange for the rights to songs that the songwriter will create in the future.

    http://www.ohiobar.org/Pages/LawYouCanUseDetail.aspx?itemID=176

    If it’s true that all songwriters write with no prearrangement guaranteeing they’ll make money from their work, then all songwriters are in desperate need of at least a professional association and at best the Teamsters union.

  • Valentin432

    According to Wikipedia, 55 Idol Alumni (including William Hung and Josiah Leming) have put out albums since 2003. Clay Aiken appears to hold the honor of most albums (5), but about 20 have done multiple cds. I counted over 100 albums on the list — all drawing on the same major source of fans: People who watch Idol and get invested enough to support an artist that they see.

    I don’t see how a George Huff or Carrie Underwood album bought in 2005/2006 is impacting the disposable income of people in 2011.
    I can understand somewhat the logic, of having 4 or 5 releases during the same period of the year having some kind of effect on people who love idols and want to buy all their albums (but then it’s 50$ that’s less than buying a video game).

    I’ve said before, there are less idols alumnis who have an impact on music sales today than there were in 2006/2007 during the peak of the show. So far, there are zero X Factor and Voice alumnis out there and they certainly do not explain the debacle that was season 9 sales.

  • Elliegrll

    If it’s true that all songwriters write with no prearrangement guaranteeing they’ll make money from their work, then all songwriters are in desperate need of at least a professional association and at best the Teamsters union.

    Maybe your confusion is coming from the idea that Interscope hired Kris or Dr. Luke to write a song for Haley. That didn’t happen. The songs were already written, and somehow Haley’s A&R people heard these demos, and thought that they would be good songs for her to record.

    Kris does have a publishing deal, and they did pay him an advance for a portion of the rights to any songs that he writes during the term of their contract with him, but that doesn’t have a lot to do with this situation.

  • mickeybordentwo

    Elliegrll says:
    06/26/2011 at 10:43 am

    Maybe your confusion is coming from the idea that Interscope hired Kris or Dr. Luke to write a song for Haley. That didn’t happen. The songs were already written, and somehow Haley’s A&R people heard these demos, and thought that they would be good songs for her to record.

    Kris does have a publishing deal, and they did pay him an advance for a portion of the rights to any songs that he writes during the term of their contract with him, but that doesn’t have a lot to do with this situation.

    Thank you. My confusion didn’t come from any deals Haley may or may not have (and I wish her and all Idolettes from the class of 2011 enormous professional and personal success). It came from what seemed unlikely to me, that all songs are written on spec and that no songs earn money for their writers until such time as the songs are recorded on a CD and the CD is released.

    I’m relieved to learn songwriters have deals with publishing houses, which allows me to believe that different songwriters have different levels of deals which would then allow publishing houses to ask more or less for the songs under their umbrella, which would then allow the money people to feel some songs are worth more simply because they cost more.

    But mostly I’m glad I don’t have to dig up Jimmy Hoffa from underneath the 40 yard line in the late lamented Meadowlands!

  • mmb

    If it’s true that all songwriters write with no prearrangement guaranteeing they’ll make money from their work, then all songwriters are in desperate need of at least a professional association and at best the Teamsters union.

    They have two- ASCAP and BMI

  • Elliegrll

    I’m relieved to learn songwriters have deals with publishing houses, which allows me to believe that different songwriters have different levels of deals which would then allow publishing houses to ask more or less for the songs under their umbrella, which would then allow the money people to feel some songs are worth more simply because they cost more.

    I still don’t think that this is the case as far as labels go. There are different rates for songs that are used in commercials, television show, movies, etc. that are dependent on how popular the song is, but this isn’t the same situation. Unless a writer makes some other type of arrangement, their royalties are pretty much set in stone. It’s actually the law.

    This is also not a spec situation.

  • Kirsten

    They have two- ASCAP and BMI

    Plus Congress writes lots of laws to make sure they get paid.

    I am truly stunned at the concept that all songwriters, from the lowest on the ladder to the songwriting superstars, work on spec.

    A lot of songs get written on spec. Probably most. Songwriters may write a song with so-and-so in mind, but they will place the song where they think it will do the most good.

    Obviously, somebody who is a singer-songwriter, writes songs for themselves. If they decide not to record a song, they may offer it to other people. In Season 8, Kris and Adam each both sold close to 2M copies of songs that had been written for other people.

    Othertimes, we will see artists paired with known hitmakers to write songs. How much the artist contributes to the song is often debated. Some just sit in the room for a short while the song is being written and take their royalty cheques, while others are very active contributors.

    But a lot of songs are just written. We saw that with Chris Sligh from S6. He wrote a song with Clint Lagerber, shopped it around and Rascal Flatts bit. “Here Comes Goodbye” went to number one on Country.

    It’s how the music industry works. And songwriters are actually one of the few groups that actually make money. Regardless of whether the project makes or loses money, they get paid for every track sold. Unlike the artist that sings the song, they get paid every time the song is played on the radio. Unlike the artist that popularizes the song, they get paid for the song being performed at weddings and the Idol Live Tour.

    I’m not saying it’s easy pickings for them, but they do have some control in the situation. And good songwriters are in demand because having their name on a song can help you get spins.

  • girlygirl

    Most labels and music publishing companies don’t have songwriters on staff. The one exception to this seems to be in the country music genre, where some publishers still do hire staff writers. But for the most part, songwriters are freelancers who may or may not have publishing deals. In general, they can pitch their songs to whoever they want to, regardless of genre, record label, etc.

  • girlygirl

    Songwriters get the same royalty amount from record sales, radio play, etc, irregardless of how famous they are or how many hit songs they have written. HOWEVER, when they license a song to someone, say a tv show or a movie, the amount they get paid can vary widely, depending on the budget that show/movie has to spend on music, how well known the artist is, etc. For instance, someone like U2 would get paid way more money to license their song for a commercial or movie or whatever than someone who is a new artist/songwriter would.

    I have heard about several songwriters who have made nice livings for themselves simply by licensing songs to commercials, tv and movies, without ever having a hit song. There was one guy who came and talked to my A&R class last year who made over $1m in 2009 from doing just this. It is a major revenue stream for songwriters.

  • tinawina

    Why the focus on Kris? To me the big indicator of how they might be looking at Haley is Dr Luke.

    There are some really hot songwriters who can indeed get paid upfront, especially hot producers like Dr Luke who can get a nice big studio fee to sit down and produce a demo of the song with Haley singing it. Plus, he’s in demand worldwide and be choosy about where he places his songs. Just the idea that someone got one of his songs for her (Jimmy?) means something. Even if by some miracle he does not manage to get an upfront fee, he’s sure to ask for a high number of points on the back end.

    Of course, that does not mean the song will be a hit… they got Pink and Max Martin songs for Allison… but I wouldn’t automatically say she’s not being taken seriously.

    BC Jean is a pretty hot property right now too, isn’t she? I had the impression she was seen as someone on the rise. And Haley co-wrote with her.

    Anyway, I think this is all good news for Haley if MJ’s source turns out to be legit. And for Kris, if he can keep getting songs placed he can build a name as a songwriter. I don’t know what’s so objectionable about that. The more people making careers the better for all of them.

  • Kirsten

    There are some really hot songwriters who can indeed get paid upfront, especially hot producers like Dr Luke who can get a nice big studio fee to sit down and produce a demo of the song with Haley singing it.

    Dr. Luke is making that upfront money for producing. Producers can make a lot of money upfront. I’ve heard that big producers can be paid $250K a track up front and still make royalties on top of that.

    Why the focus on Kris? To me the big indicator of how they might be looking at Haley is Dr Luke.

    I could speculate, but I won’t ;-)

    The fact that they nabbed a Dr. Luke track for Haley is a very big deal and does point to them attempting to break her on Pop.

  • Eileen99

    If Kris can continue getting his cheap, crappy, mediocre, boring reject songs placed on albums, that makes him pretty sneaky, hee. On a serious note, though, Kris has always been underestimated. It looks like his songwriting might turn out to be a nice little side career for him.

    I’m glad for all three of these people – Pia, Haley & James. I might not be too big a fan of any of them, but the more people succeeding off the show, the better for all concerned.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I have heard about several songwriters who have made nice livings for themselves simply by licensing songs to commercials, tv and movies, without ever having a hit song. There was one guy who came and talked to my A&R class last year who made over $1m in 2009 from doing just this. It is a major revenue stream for songwriters.

    That is not surprising. I remember when Adam’s album was being produced and peeps were saying RCA was pouring a ton of money into the album because Adam got Dr Luke and Claude Kelly for the FYE single. That single only sold about 350,000 but it got picked up for a lot of T.V promo. So that’s probably how Dr. Luke made his money off of FYE.

    I’m sure Dr. Luke thinks he can make money off of Haley and that is why he is giving this single to her.

    As far as Kris, if they didn’t like the song, I’m sure they wouldn’t use it. I liked AWM, but never heard the other song that the Glee guy sang. I think Kris can write some good songs.

    I do think, however, that the song Kris wrote will NOT be chosen as a single, just based on what has happened to other idols. It seems like all of the singles picked off of AI albums have been written by the long-time proven hit makers. Isn’t it the case that songwriters make money every time a their song is played on the radio? I can see that they may all get the same royalty rate, but you really only make the big money if the song is actually played on the radio and downloaded.

  • tinawina

    Dr. Luke is making that upfront money for producing. Producers can make a lot of money upfront. I’ve heard that big producers can be paid $250K a track up front and still make royalties on top of that.

    Yep! Him, Max Martin, Claude Kelly, Smezingtons (sp?), etc. Pop has been so producer driven for so long that all these super hot songwriter/producer guys are charging big bucks.

    But I bet Gaga and Kesha and Katy Perry can get bucks too just because they wrote multiple top charting hits. Probably not as much as a producer though. But I don’t think they just hand stuff over and hope for the best. Unles they are handing it to another big star maybe?

    I’m really excited about Haley’s project. And Pia’s! There really seems to be a search to get them hit songs afoot. Good luck ladies!

  • BrandoC15

    Oh, btw, Haleys EP is #3 on Walmarts best sellers list right now, and she is #1 in digital downloads…without ANY promotion!

  • dy77

    Eileen99, my thoughts exactly.

    Good luck to all of the S10 kids in their new ventures. I have my favorites, but anytime any Idols succeed, it is a good thing for the franchise.

  • girlygirl

    I’m just remembering that there was this report going around music industry here in L.A. earlier this year that Interscope is one of the labels thinking about releasing EPs rather than full albums. The rumor was that the labels would phase out full albums by 2012 or 2013 and just put out EPs after that. So I wonder if they are going to end up putting out EPs rather than full-length CDs for any of the Idols they end up signing.

    It makes financial sense. Cheaper to produce. And it’s just as easy to release 2-3 singles off an EP as it is off a full-length album.

    Of course this was just a rumor, but I heard it from an industry insider, so it could very well happen in the not too distant future, even if it doesn’t happen with the current Idols.

  • Elliegrll

    I have heard about several songwriters who have made nice livings for themselves simply by licensing songs to commercials, tv and movies, without ever having a hit song. There was one guy who came and talked to my A&R class last year who made over $1m in 2009 from doing just this. It is a major revenue stream for songwriters.

    This is how a lot of alternative rock and indie rock artists are making most of their money.

    Why the focus on Kris? To me the big indicator of how they might be looking at Haley is Dr Luke.

    Yep, this is why I said that I can’t see why using a song from Kris indicates that Interscope is not invested, since they also have a song from one of the hottest writers/producers who is working today. They also have people like Rodney Jerkins, Rock Mafia, Tricky Stewart and others, who have made a huge name for themselves as producers in the industry.

  • lla2827

    I am very happy for all Haley, Pia and James. Wish them all the luck. After reading thru the comments–IA with some thoughts from posters

    First, it isn’t fair to compare record sales now with 10 years ago or even three years ago. Different world in the music biz. And that is for all artists

    Second, the money is def in the touring–not in itunes or record sales. I am sure there are bands who don’t sell that many albums but rake in the cash from tours. There are also artists from back in the day who haven’t necessarily put out that much in new releases–but can sell out venues every year. And they are making very good money doing it. Many of the artists have a reputation of being great live and the fans turn out. Like James Taylor. Other retro artists tour every so often and make money cause folks haven’t seen them in awhile

    It’s really a Catch-22 with idol releases. If you take the time and try to do a quality cd–then fans forget you. If you don’t wait and release something quickly–you run the risk of it failing because the quality isn’t there. It could really hurt your career. It’s unfortunate.

    I would love to hear Haley and Casey collaborate on something–even if it is just a one song on an album. I actually don’t think it’s a bad idea for two idols to team up and form some kind of group if the solo thing doesn’t have legs. I don’t think it’s been done before.

    And for those who think Casey A will just be some local musician or nobody will know him in so many years–I couldn’t disagree more. I think he has a good future in show biz–whether he is acting or doing music, producing, scoring movies–or a little of everything. That kid is a bundle of talent. I didn’t ever think the AI people would sign him–but it doesn’t mean he won’t do very well.

  • MBane

    (assuming the above is true) I suspect that Dr Luke is angling for technology commercial placement with his song, given the silly title, and Haley’s warm and somewhat quirky voice (Katy’s voice can also be warm and quirky); advertisers seem to favor that type of voice in tech commercials, since it makes the product more “approachable” (think Apple).

  • tripp_ncwy

    I do think, however, that the song Kris wrote will NOT be chosen as a single, just based on what has happened to other idols.

    Recent idols have gotten songs they have written or had a hand in writing released as singles, Crystal, Lee, David A. & David C. So, it may not be the debut single but who knows what may happen if she gets a 2nd single.

  • Elliegrll

    I do think, however, that the song Kris wrote will NOT be chosen as a single, just based on what has happened to other idols.

    Recent idols have gotten songs they have written or had a hand in writing released as singles, Crystal, Lee, David A. & David C. So, it may not be the debut single but who knows what may happen if she gets a 2nd single.

    There aren’t a lot of idol alums who have written songs for other people, so it’s hard to say that there is some rule about not releasing songs that idols have written. Ace Young co-wrote Daughtry’s first song, Jared Cotter found a lot of success with Jay Sean’s “Down”, Chris Sigh, and Tamyra Gray have all had songs that the co-wrote released as singles.

  • tomk

    And for those who think Casey A will just be some local musician or nobody will know him in so many years–I couldn’t disagree more. I think he has a good future in show biz–whether he is acting or doing music, producing, scoring movies–or a little of everything. That kid is a bundle of talent. I didn’t ever think the AI people would sign him–but it doesn’t mean he won’t do very well.

    I think Casey will be able to branch out to do many things, if he wishes to do so. I don’t see him working with Haley at all initially, because Haley does need to concentrate on a solo career first. Once they settle into their careers, I could see some sort of duet or Casey doing instruments on a Haley song, etc. For now, I will assume (based on a Casey Twitter question a few weeks ago) that they’ll be doing some stuff together on tour.

  • tomk

    Yep, this is why I said that I can’t see why using a song from Kris indicates that Interscope is not invested, since they also have a song from one of the hottest writers/producers who is working today. They also have people like Rodney Jerkins, Rock Mafia, Tricky Stewart and others, who have made a huge name for themselves as producers in the industry.

    When it comes to the Idols, all they have to do is turn down the option if they aren’t going to go “all in” with any one of them. It’s so easy to not spend much money at all on someone and just release them – so I don’t know why they would sign Haley…then stick her with mediocre stuff to perform :) They are indeed bringing in some heavyweights to work with these Idols. If they fail, it won’t be due to lack of effort on the part of the people they are working with.

  • Willis

    I’m happy that Haley is working with BC Jean. I hadn’t heard of her before and had to look her up. Pretty fantastic. I could imagine Haley and her writing something good. They both have a similar voice. Haley’s with more color. I Will Survive You is pretty darn good.

  • tomk

    I’m happy that Haley is working with BC Jean. I hadn’t heard of her before and had to look her up. Pretty fantastic. I could imagine Haley and her writing something good. They both have a similar voice. Haley’s with more color. I Will Survive You is pretty darn good.

    I’m happy she is working with anybody :-) But the fact that these are seemingly big names in the industry, that makes me even more happy.

  • whateverblah

    About all you can hope for coming out of Idol, is a record deal. Top 2 guarantees it, but if you finish lower and still get one, your pretty much at the same starting point as the top 2. We’ll see what level of promotion they all get.

  • tomk

    About all you can hope for coming out of Idol, is a record deal. Top 2 guarantees it, but if you finish lower and still get one, your pretty much at the same starting point as the top 2. We’ll see what level of promotion they all get.

    I think for Haley, James, and Pia it works out pretty well – as they will all (seemingly) drop singles within a good time frame. I don’t know if a rushed single would have worked for Haley – and we’ll never know now! For Pia, she has been able to keep her name out there for a while now, and will be able to sing her song during a tour stop. That’s pretty darn good.
    I don’t see how any of the three can be anything less than ecstatic.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I think all the criticism about Haley not knowing who she is as an artist was bull crap. I think she’s versatile and that is a good thing. I can’t wait to see what they try to give her to sing for her album. lOL.

  • Elliegrll

    I think all the criticism about Haley not knowing who she is as an artist was bull crap. I think she’s versatile and that is a good thing. I can’t wait to see what they try to give her to sing for her album. lOL.

    I think that anyone who makes it far into the competition is versatile, that’s one thing that’s necessary on the show, but not as valued in the real world. I think that even though most of these people can sing the phone book and sound good doing it, they have to find out which style and genre will help them be the most commercial, and the most successful, and which one showcases their strengths. People aren’t going to buy a song just because these people sound good. The industry is no longer about just having great vocals, and certain songs and styles work better on the idol stage than on the radio, or with consumers who aren’t watching them every week, and getting to know them.

    Haley has a specific style, and she’s going to need songs that fit that style. Not every song will play to her strengths, that’s true for every idol alum. She needs songs that will be especially tailored to her style, and she needs a good producer who understands what those strengths are.

  • tomk

    Haley has a specific style, and she’s going to need songs that fit that style. Not every song will play to her strengths, that’s true for every idol alum. She needs songs that will be especially tailored to her style, and she needs a good producer who understands what those strengths are.

    No doubt about it. It is indeed important to be every versatile on the show – but once the show is over, you concentrate on your strengths if you are one of the lucky chosen ones.
    It is up to the producers, songwriters, and yes the artists themselves to get that perfect sound and find the perfect songs. Not every song is obviously going to be right in the wheelhouse – I do think you need to show a little versatility on the album itself.
    This is a staff that obviously knows what they are doing – and Haley seems like the type of girl that’s willing to speak up when she thinks something isn’t working right. So we’ll see what happens…I don’t think they are truly going to try to mold Haley, Pia, or James into something they aren’t; what they will try to do is find songs that let them be who they are while also playing to the radio audience. I am very intrigued by how it will work out.

  • http://doeeye.wordpress.com/ doeeye

    The rumor about the Kris-song sung/recorded by Haley makes me so excited. I wonder if this track is written more recently and has more of that bluesy feel to it (like the older Is It Over, new Shut the Devil Out, and new Leave You Alone). No matter what, I can wait to hear it and see how it fits into her album.

  • http://www.kellydeanhansen.com MahlerFan

    Apropos of…well, not really anything, isn’t it amazing how many random pre-Idol clips of Haley keep showing up on YouTube? The girl must not even be aware of how much stuff has been posted. Is it strange for this much pre-Idol material to be “out there” for a contestant? I just saw that “Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas” from Harper College in December 2009 for the first time.

    She was clearly a star at Wheeling High, she was clearly a star at Harper…it really almost makes you wonder what could have possibly motivated Nigel & Co. to give her that early cannon-fodder edit–and to tell us virtually nothing about her extremely interesting (as is obvious now) background!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    And for those who think Casey A will just be some local musician or nobody will know him in so many years–I couldn’t disagree more. I think he has a good future in show biz–whether he is acting or doing music, producing, scoring movies–or a little of everything. That kid is a bundle of talent. I didn’t ever think the AI people would sign him–but it doesn’t mean he won’t do very well.

    I posted that I thought that Casey would be successful as a local musician, but not more than that (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I like his taste in music, but feel that he’s not a very talented vocalist or musician. I could be wrong about the latter though. I saw nothing during Casey’s time on the show that indicates he’s a “bundle of talent”, including the ability to score movies or produce music. Is there evidence of these abilities somewhere?

  • whateverblah

    Haley has a specific style, and she’s going to need songs that fit that style. Not every song will play to her strengths, that’s true for every idol alum. She needs songs that will be especially tailored to her style, and she needs a good producer who understands what those strengths are.

    Haley actually has several styles and directions she could go. She definitely doesn’t have one specific style. They may choose one that they think would sell the best and stick to it. But to say she has one specific style in incorrect IMO.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    This is a staff that obviously knows what they are doing – and Haley seems like the type of girl that’s willing to speak up when she thinks something isn’t working right. So we’ll see what happens…I don’t think they are truly going to try to mold Haley, Pia, or James into something they aren’t; what they will try to do is find songs that let them be who they are while also playing to the radio audience. I am very intrigued by how it will work out.

    I hope you’re right. We don’t have a track record for UMG and Idols. We do have one for Sony, and they did try to mold some Idols into something they weren’t. Bo Bice and his “very special” album comes to mind. I watched the “behind the scenes” making of his album special and they really shot all his ideas down. I don’t think he was faint of heart, either.

    Haley actually has several styles and directions she could go. She definitely doesn’t have one specific style. They may choose one that they think would sell the best and stick to it. But to say she has one specific style in incorrect IMO.

    That is my perception as well.

  • Elliegrll

    Haley actually has several styles and directions she could go. She definitely doesn’t have one specific style. They may choose one that they think would sell the best and stick to it. But to say she has one specific style in incorrect IMO.

    I think the accusation that she didn’t know who she was as an artist, was really just another way of saying that she didn’t know her strengths, or at the least, she didn’t know how to showcase them. One critic who was a big fan of hers put the blame on the show, and said that she didn’t know how to make her style fit into the parameters of the show, which could be true too. Many stylized singers who come on AI wind up trying to sound like the more technical singers, instead of showing what the style that sets them apart.

    To clarify, this is not a slam on Haley, every idol fan says that their favorite can sing anything, and they probably can, but that doesn’t mean that they should. There are just some genres and songs that work better for Haley’s voice, and that showcase her strengths better than others. It’s not as simplistic as saying that she only has one style. She has a very unique voice that needs the right songs to make it shine.

  • tomk

    I hope you’re right. We don’t have a track record for UMG and Idols. We do have one for Sony, and they did try to mold some Idols into something they weren’t. Bo Bice and his “very special” album comes to mind. I watched the “behind the scenes” making of his album special and they really shot all his ideas down. I don’t think he was faint of heart, either.

    Sony must have had their reasons, I assume.

    The label/producers/etc. will always have first say; but with the names we are hearing being associated with the Idols as they record, something tells me the ante has been raised.
    Haley knows she can’t put out a straight jazz album; if she went to UMG and told them that is what she wanted, she would probably not have a contract. James knows that heavy metal may be in his brain, but he’ll have to adjust that vision if he wants to be with UMG. Even Pia has to adjust and get away from doing the power ballad.
    Haley wants to be a bluesy rock girl – and I can see that being something that can hit mainstream radio (with her unique voice) and be successful.
    As with anyone breaking into the business, the right songs will go a long way in determining where any of them go. I like that they seemingly have powerful teams behind them.

  • tomk

    There are just some genres and songs that work better for Haley’s voice, and that showcase her strengths better than others. It’s not as simplistic as saying that she only has one style. She has a very unique voice that needs the right songs to make it shine.

    Yep – I think a good example is her rendition of “Blue” – it shows that indeed Haley can take a country song, make it sound Haley, etc. etc. But the fact is that she is not going to be doing country songs.
    There is a difference between what you *can* do and what you *should* do.

  • whateverblah

    To clarify, this is not a slam on Haley, every idol fan says that their favorite can sing anything, and they probably can, but that doesn’t mean that they should. There are just some genres and songs that work better for Haley’s voice, and that showcase her strengths better than others. It’s not as simplistic as saying that she only has one style. She has a very unique voice that needs the right songs to make it shine.

    I don’t think that most fans would think that their favorite can sing anything. The only 2 on the show I ever felt that way about were Kelly Clarkson and now Haley. I’ve had many other favorites where I wouldn’t even suggest they could (or should) sing across genres.

    Haley could be fantastic at Jazz, Rock, Pop, Country, Blues, Ballads, etc. I’m not saying she will be, but to say she needs a specific style of song to fit her voice is the part I disagree with. She needs good songs, no doubt, but I could see her make it shine in any of the genres I mentioned above. Personally I’m hoping for a Rock/Blues edge, but we’ll see what we get.

  • B-scot

    Genre is mainly important for marketing, for Haley song selection is critical since she will need atleast one or two hit songs to push sales. A Pop rock song or two will be needed for radio air play, with some bluesy rock songs that could make it on the radio if needed, the rest of the album she will have more leeway with, maybe some soft jazzy R&B songs to cover more genres for boosting sales.

  • jsrj98

    Haley wants to be a bluesy rock girl – and I can see that being something that can hit mainstream radio (with her unique voice) and be successful.

    If she indeed has signed (or soon will) with Interscope– versus another UMG label– then it’s safe to assume, I think, that’s where Jimmy wants to take her. As a Haley fan, I hope they can pull it off– because I look forward to the first time I actually hear her on the radio.

  • Elliegrll

    for Haley song selection is critical

    This is what I’m saying. It’s true for everyone, but with Haley I’ve always thought that any songs that are written especially for her would be difficult for anyone else to cover, because she has such a specific style and quality to her voice that not everyone has. The reverse is true too, on the show it might have been hard for her to pick songs, because song arrangement is so important for her, in order to showcase her strengths.

  • tomk

    If she indeed has signed (or soon will) with Interscope– versus another UMG label– then it’s safe to assume, I think, that’s where Jimmy wants to take her. As a Haley fan, I hope they can pull it off– because I look forward to the first time I actually hear her on the radio.

    She did say in an interview or two that she “hoped they noticed that I want to do some bluesy rock..with maybe a hint of jazz mixed in”. If she signed with Interscope, I will assume they had the same thing in mind as she did.

    Obviously, things change – and a little bit of money can change a person’s vision in a hurry. But something tells me that they feel that what Haley wants is something they can sell.

  • tomk

    This is what I’m saying. It’s true for everyone, but with Haley I’ve always thought that any songs that are written especially for her would be difficult for anyone else to cover, because she has such a specific style and quality to her voice that not everyone has. The reverse is true too, on the show it might have been hard for her to pick songs, because song arrangement is so important for her, in order to showcase her strengths.

    Yep – she definitely needs some unique songs to showcase her unique style.
    That’s one reason why I am happy to see she is doing some co-writes. Doesn’t mean those songs will make the album, but I do think an artist like Haley especially needs to have some ability to write music.
    I hope “Retro Kinda Girl” makes the album – because I think that would be an awesome album title for her. Beat My <3 is an interesting song title; seems like they are going for something ultra catchy there.
    "Love Too Much" is intriguing because Jimmy had Haley do an unreleased GaGa during the show which she did a great job of recording. We all can read what we want into these things; but one wonders if Jimmy the Evil Genius was testing Haley's ability to take songs that weren't ever going to be released and put her own quirky spin on them. I would think that would add value to a musician for a record label if they can take unreleased stuff and do something to make it a valuable part of an album.

  • girlygirl

    ok, then…

    KrisAllen
    #Just a rumor to me. Dont know anything about it RT @mylifeback: @KrisAllen Duuuude, tell us about the song Haley is recording!!!
    3 minutes ago