Eminem Calls David Cook a ‘Flash in The Pan’ in New Tune

Well, hopefully David will have a nice “response” (he should rap, LOL) in a song off his upcoming album. I think if it gets David buzz, it’s not necessarily a bad thing either.

Well, there were a lot of articles with the Adam/Clay Eminem diss but maybe the “fake-its” was a little more controversial. But you’re right, if the same thing happens Cook will get some buzz out of it.

Wow, we get a thread for this? Not that I’m complaining. :)

I agree with BootStar. Maybe he’ll get some press out of it or something. Good to get his name circulating again before he releases his next record.

As if I needed another reason to dislike Eminem.

At this very moment somewhere in the world Marshall Mathers is trying to think of things that rhyme with Sanjaya….

Papaya?
Mangina?

lol studio57

Wow, we get a thread for this? Not that I’m complaining

Slow news day? Heh. Actaully, I would have put it up earlier, but I thought all the You Tube’s were pulled.

ok, lolol… what is this – 1995 or something, lol… i thought the dissin’ game was kinda played out – no kinda, it is played out, lol… eminem used to be one of the masters at it, along w/a lot of the old school rappers who pioneered the diss/response to diss records by the likes of roxanne shante, ll cool j and kool moe dee and others… come on m, you can be a little more original than this, lolol…

eminem is an ass just sayin=

Eminem knows David Cook exists, I’m a little bit surprised.

Well if it gets David Cook in the media. Not that he needs it. Eminem has made fun of himself. Remember 8 mile?

LOL yeah my first thought was “oh cool hew knows he exists” then there was some chatter on Twitter the other day that supposedly Ems daughter is a DC fan. Who knows if thats true though.

ok, lolol… this kinda dissin’ game is kinda played out – no kinda, it is played out, lol… eminem used to be one of the masters at it, along w/a lot of the old school rappers who pioneered the diss/response to diss records by the likes of roxanne shante, ll cool j and kool moe dee and others… come on m, you can be a little more original than this, lolol…

I agree.

Eminem has turned into a poser…What’s David Cook gonna do in response, pelt him with a Hostess Twinkie?

The old school rappers who dissed each other were in danger of being shot by bullets, not pastry LOL. Or at least being dissed back by a hard core rapper. Cookie wouldn’t waste a lyric on him, thank goodness. Diss/response is old.

Smart guys who have something going for them besides a big mouth (LL Cool J for example) moved on a long time ago.

I honestly think his most recent Twitter boost had more to do with the diss track than him performing in SLC.

I’m sure he’s just laughing it off.

What’s David Cook gonna do in response, pelt him with a Hostess Twinkie?

hahaha! Most awesome turf war ever! :)

I still think being mentioned with Brooke Hogan is the cruelest part of the diss, lol.

Well, there were a lot of articles with the Adam/Clay Eminem diss

I think that is because those guys were actually in the news when he chose to diss them. Cook has been completely MIA on the popular scene for months – I think that is why everyone is shocked that his name was suddenly brought up!

you captured my thought process revcat when i read this.. it was like – is eminem still doing this schtick, lol… i think he’s very talented as a rapper, has some of the best skills in the genre, but i thought he was past dissin’ folks in his raps…

Apparently “Cold Wind Blows” is another all diss track, and because it focuses on Mariah Carey again (along with like, seventeen other people), that’s the one that seems to be getting the ink.

you captured my thought process revcat when i read this.. it was like – is eminem still doing this schtick, lol… i think he’s very talented as a rapper, has some of the best skills in the genre, but i thought he was past dissin’ folks in his raps…

Oh dissing people back and forth is still popular (see Jay Z and The Game, Lil Kim and Nicki Minaj) but usually you pick on someone who will diss you back and start get a good feud going in the process. I can’t for the world of me try to figure out why David Cook would be a good candidate for that sort of thing. LOL. Adam Lambert and Clay Aiken? Yes, they might actually respond with an entertaining retort. Brooke Hogan? Yup, definite diarrhea of the mouth there. But David Cook? Nice Guy Midwestern Pop Rocker? Master of the overly PC non-statement? Um.. yeah. :D

But I’ll take it. Why not? Heh.

his new album is pretty great.

Apparently “Cold Wind Blows” is another all diss track, and because it focuses on Mariah Carey again (along with like, seventeen other people), that’s the one that seems to be getting the ink.

Haven’t heard it yet. Is it funny? **off to YouTube**

He picked Cook because it rhymes with everything. Lol Well, that’s my theory anyway.

But I’ll take it. Why not? Heh.

i know that’s right, lol…the more things change, the more they stay the same… cook has gotta fire back a rap response some kinda way – can’t let m chump him down and get away with it, lol… if he’s unsure of his skills going against m, he could recruit another hardcore rapper by proxy to spit fire back at slim shady, lolol… now that would be fun, a resurrection of rap wars ;)

Good publicity for Cookie, I guess, but this just gives me one more reason to hate rap music and Eminem.

I like ggdoorsfan’s idea! Resurection of rap wars FTW! Or just throw a Twinkie at him, whichever works.

cook has gotta fire back a rap response some kinda way

See, this is one time when having RCA as his careful, conservative label works! He can just be like, “I wanted to put a response track on the album, but A&R wouldn’t let me.” Everyone laughs: It’s funny ’cause it’s true!

eminem likes to pick on and call out a lot of women in his songs – i wanna see someone like cook issue him a virtual smackdown, lol… m has had his issues and demons over the years, but i’m not gonna detract from or deny his skills as one of the best rappers to flow in the game… lost track of him the last couple of years or so, but i see he’s still at it, lol… gotta make that paper the best way you know how these days…

I like ggdoorsfan’s idea! Resurection of rap wars FTW! Or just throw a Twinkie at him, whichever works.

A rapping Twinkie!

He could get Hip Hop Harry to write his response.

still think being mentioned with Brooke Hogan is the cruelest part of the diss, lol.

LOL…my thought exactly.

Brooke, Cook, crook, book. I think he was just looking for a rhyme so that he could call himself “crook”. Image is everything. *snort* (haha…seriously said the same thing while I was typing)

I like Eminem some but his songwriting seems to be getting stagnant. Maybe I am wrong but it seems like he writes about either old repeated topics/subjects or just has to throw in dissing people. Haven’t heard the new cd yet though.

My opinion…buzz for David.

seriously:He picked Cook because it rhymes with everything. Lol Well, that’s my theory anyway.

*chuckle* I would believe it – rather elemental rhyming there – Unless it’s also true that his daughter is a David Cook fan – (they grow up so fast) Then he’s just a more public version of an “Eye Roller”. And that would be funny, on so many levels.

Eh – I never paid any attention to his stuff – sure not gonna start now.

He could get Hip Hop Harry to write his response.

tina, I am not going to forgive you for making me see that. OMG.

He picked Cook because it rhymes with everything. Lol Well, that’s my theory anyway.

That was my first thought exactly. Yawn. Whatever. DC rocks!

tina, I am not going to forgive you for making me see that. OMG.

What?? Everyone should know the glory of Hip Hop Harry. He’s ill, yo.
Do the Harry!

If it helps, Harry goes down a lot better after a few drinks. LOL

meh, it harmless.

What?? Everyone should know the glory of Hip Hop Harry. He’s ill, yo.
Do the Harry!

If it helps, Harry goes down a lot better after a few drinks. LOL

lololol… 5,000 g – we outta here, lolol.. 1995 time warp again, sorry ;) i think that year is when my real interest in rap began to wane…

Cook should enlist Normund Gentle and post a Weird Al-type parody on YouTube. Cook surely can find a way to flip around “Without Me.”

I’m the boy from KC you can take it from me
Mr. Mathers knows my name guess that means I got game
So get outta my way I’m in the studio today
Singin’ a monster hook that’ll put me in the record books
M you call yourself a crook? You got nothin’ on Cook
Me and my main man Archuleta dude we’re comin’ to get ya
Shove this twinkie so fine up where the sun don’t shine

Say hi to your mom for me

Uh, I mean Word! To your mutha.

—————-

(Sorry I couldn’t resist. Apologies to everyone who’s ever played the diss game, like ever.)

Do the Harry!

If it helps, Harry goes down a lot better after a few drinks. LOL

THAT is how I could have better survived my kids’ Hip Hop Harry phase? LOL!

Aw, Em. I’ve always had a love/hate thing with the guy, but he does seem a bit… recycled these days. At least he knows who Cook is… though it is a suspiciously easily-rhymable name. And yes, I think the biggest insult is being paired with Brooke Hogan, lol.

I’m the boy from KC you can take it from me
Mr. Mathers knows my name guess that means I got game
So get outta my way I’m in the studio today
Singin’ a monster hook that’ll put me in the record books
M you call yourself a crook? You got nothin’ on Cook
Me and my main man Archuleta dude we’re comin’ to get ya
Shove this twinkie so fine up where the sun don’t shine

Word to your mother

—————-

(Sorry I couldn’t resist. Apologies to everyone who’s ever played the rap game, like ever.)

yeeeeeeeeeeeeee-a-uh boy-eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee – cook and david could be the lyrical equivalent of chuck d and flava flav there ;)

Hey Y’all, enjoy a little Midwestern Rap Remix of Feed Your Ego, with bonus Cookie curse at the end. LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSBEIVUqVGo

MollyAnnMay, I bow to your greatness. LOL

Cook can do the rap and D-Arch can sing the hook. Oh yeah. :D

MollyAnnMay:
06/11/2010 at 12:19 pm
I’m the boy from KC you can take it from me
Mr. Mathers knows my name guess that means I got game
So get outta my way I’m in the studio today
Singin’ a monster hook that’ll put me in the record books
M you call yourself a crook? You got nothin’ on Cook
Me and my main man Archuleta dude we’re comin’ to get ya
Shove this twinkie so fine up where the sun don’t shine

Word to your mother

I cannot stop laughing. Brilliant.

Forget David Cook, who the heck are Brooke and Hogan?

I read elsewhere that it’s not about AI David Cook but … the other one ? Only other ones I’ve found are one who is a NYC pianist and composer and one who writes Christian books for home schooling. I’m sure there are more.

Poor Eminem, he really has to stretch for lyrics and to expand his audience. Maybe he can take Simon’s place on AI.

more publicity for David!! :)

I remember that when it happened to Adam, Kris said in interview that he wanted Eminem to diss him (Kris) …lol

TwigLa:

I read elsewhere that it’s not about AI David Cook but … the other one?

There is David Cook from My Favorite Highway, but they are pretty small potatoes. Nah, it’s about our Cook. Brooke Hogan is another Reality TV show star, just like Cook.

Midwestern Rap Remix of Feed Your Ego, with bonus Cookie curse at the end.

The FU Song, I Flove it! Sort of the pre-emptive answer from 2003, Cain’s Ballroom.

“You don’t like what I do
Well it’s not f*ing about you
So go on and feed your ego.”

Perfect.

cook and david could be the lyrical equivalent of chuck d and flava flav there

LOL ggdoorsfan, M will be trembling.

Thanks tina and sue. Happy to provide a laugh before getting back to work. This whole eminem diss of Cook has had me LMAO since I heard it. I bet he’s LHAO too. Heh.

ETA:

Feed Your Ego

Oh man, I love that song. I’d love to see that side of Cook unleashed again. One of these days…

Hahaha. Great observation Incipit. He needs to dust off that song for his next concert and dedicate it to the Real Slim Shady. That would be EPIC.

Cook can do the rap and D-Arch can sing the hook. Oh yeah. :D

fo shizzle – david says don’t start no mess, won’t be no mess, lolol :cool: utah peeps roll like that, lolol

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Uw_M6ZbloQw/STwbGfyTaKI/AAAAAAAACRg/lWuU5HbNM8E/s800/Image6.jpg

If I were Cook, I would be more upset about being mentioned in the same breath as skanky Brooke Hogan. Now, thats a low blow. If you take her out of the song, its not a bad diss on Cook…comparatively to the other celebs, he got off easy.

I think it’s only because Cook rhymes with book. I don’t see anything else into it.

I can see Em fans going “who the fuck is David Cook?”

MAnnM, yo…that was brills. LMAO! Er, um, word to yo mutha.

But David Cook? Nice Guy Midwestern Pop Rocker? Master of the overly PC non-statement? Um.. yeah.

Right? Course this is also the dude who dissed Moby, and Moby makes Cook look hardcore. Hmm, maybe Em threw down with the wrong fairly unthreatening mild mannered nice guy this time…

You don’t like what I do
Well it’s not f*ing about you
So go on and feed your ego

Ha, Feed Your Ego is one of my go to “I’m in a pissy f*!! off kind of mood” songs.

I can see Em fans going “who the fuck is David Cook?”

Heh. Yes, that.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Uw_M6ZbloQw/STwbGfyTaKI/AAAAAAAACRg/lWuU5HbNM8E/s800/Image6.jpg

ggdoors, that is the funniest picture of D’Arch with the closest to a mean mug I think I’ll ever see on the boy. Hilarious!

personally I just think Eminem got lazy, because Cook is an easy rhyme.
Since I don’t understand what a “flash in the pan” means, may be someone could explain it to me, please :) ?

Since I don’t understand what a “flash in the pan” means, may be someone could explain it to me, please?

Think of it as a drop of water hitting a hot frying pan. Great big sizzle, and then boom, nothing. Basically he is saying that David had his moment and now its over, whereas HE, M, has REAL talent and longevity.

Of course, I vehemenently disagree. :)

ETA: Just to be clear, I don’t disagree that Eminem (I’m actually a closet fan) has talent, just that Cook is a flash in the pan.

GreenHippo – here’s the origins of the phrase explained -it’s been around since the 1600′s – and had to do with the procedure for firing a musket. It has come to mean a short-lived success – ironically – ‘lightning in a skillet’ would mean essentially the same thing – like a grease fire flare up in a frying pan – not a powder flash in a musket pan. Lame analogy. IMO, of course.

thanks for all your explanations! I kind of thought along that line, but wasn’t sure. SO that was great. there seams to always be someone here, who has an answer.

Of course, I vehemenently disagree

and I agree to disagree with suenigma. (Well I am not disgareeing with you – I am agreeing…. oh I got myself tangled…)

Does anyone think that Em has any cred left? I mean isn’t he the guy who participated in an on camera gag where he let some other guy put his bare ass on his face. Puhleeze.

My son (who is in the music industry right now) said this means David Cook is a pop culture icon.

Hahaha GreenHippo. Who’s on first?

Seriously though, this makes me kinda sad. Not because he dissed Cook (that’s awesome!) but because it is such a lame rap. I’m not gonna lie, I love old-school Eminem and think that he is (was?) a major talent. How the mighty have fallen.

Whether people like Eminem or hate him he’s always wrote stuff purposely to be controversial and anyone of these three he’s mentioned in his songs will probably never have the success that Eminem has had.

Perhaps it’s the wrong way to go about stuff calling people out that did nothing to him but they shouldn’t take it personally either as the entertainment business is very cut throat where if someone like Eminem don’t say something first then someone else will. It’s just how it is especially when it comes to rap music.

I listen to every kind of music just about and have liked some Eminem songs in the past but my first impression of this is very meh just like anything he’s put out in recent years except I do like his verse on that Drake song.

Bows to MollyAnnMay, too funny!!

I agree IF he means commercially,and like in the public eye then definetly,David doesn’t have much of a celebrity factor that’s very widely known…but Eminem’s a douchebag anyway

Oh that Eminem.

My son (who is in the music industry right now) said this means David Cook is a pop culture icon.

I don’t know if I would go with the word “icon”. LOL. Maybe “celebrity” or “presence” or something.

earthy:
06/11/2010 at 3:03 pm
Whether people like Eminem or hate him he’s always wrote stuff purposely to be controversial and anyone of these three he’s mentioned in his songs will probably never have the success that Eminem has had.

Yeah, you’re right. It is highly unlikely that Cook, Clay or Adam will ever touch the success that Eminem had in his heyday. Not impossible with the right song at the right time, and if all the stars align (eg. Carrie Underwood), but yeah, it’s not likely. We can hope though…

18 months too late again? plus this song sucks.

the success that Eminem had in his heyday.

So he does this a lot -attacks people in his lyrics to feed his ego – that’s what I’m understanding? But never other rapper persons, just people in different entertainment genres. I have zip, zilch and nada interest or information about rap music…not relevant to me – but as always – following David Cook leads to all kinds of information. ;)

Hey, I really don’t know anything about this guy but his name – and that story that was around about some dude lowered from the ceiling at an award ceremony? Which seemed a tacky thing to lend oneself to – but maybe I get it now. His ‘heyday’ is in the past, which is what that phrase implies?

OK.

I’ve never liked Eminem. I just want to know what Cook thinks about this whole thing. I wish Cook would say something about it. I hope he says something nasty like “Go suck a Twinkie!”. That’s just me though.

But never other rapper persons, just people in different entertainment genres.

This is not at all true. Most of his primary and most consistent targets have been other rappers. But he’s gone after pretty much everyone.

And rap is relevant to everyone. It’s an American art form that has gone global, like jazz. It may not be one’s primary choice of material, but it has (and has maintained) its roots in a social movement and merits basic understanding as an expression of such. I basically consider hip-hop and punk two sides of the same coin; built in smaller communities as protest/awareness music and almost instantly co-opted and commercialized.

(Sorry to go off on a tangent like that, but I’m one of those people who believes that a basic understanding of popular culture is as important as one of “high” culture.)

18 months too late again? plus this song sucks.

Exactly. Poor guy is really showing his age. Why not attack Ashley Simpson!

My son (who is in the music industry right now) said this means David Cook is a pop culture icon.

Lol, so is Brooke Hogan also a pop culture icon?

Eminem is one of the most hackneyed rappers out there.

I’m legitimately surprised that Eminem even knows who David Cook is.

Incipit, 10 years ago Eminem was HUUUGE, everywhere, and probably the most influential force in popular music at the time. He has sold 80 million albums and is one of the top-selling artists of all-time. He is kind of pathetic now, both in terms of his substandard output and his all around douchieness, but it is hard to deny his past success.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminem

And sue me, but “Lose Yourself” is a brilliant track. LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFYQQPAOz7Y

I hope Cookie puts a little tiny zinger in a verse in the hidden song, that will be on the CD. But make it so vague, that maybe he is dissing Eminem, or maybe he isn’t even talking about that egomaniac.

Mr. Mathers is an asshole! Nuff said

Well, we know when Dave gets asked about this by some radio DJ he’s going to go with his stock “hey, I’ve been called way worse” answer, but I would FLOVE a secret track with a Feed Your Ego style rap remixx. How hilarious would that be? Do it Cook, you know you want to!

MollyAnnMay you win at life, lol.

And rap is relevant to everyone.

Standtotheright, I know it exists, I even read about ‘why’ it exists – which may indeed be relevant – back in ’79, one of my kids thought the Sugar Hill Gang was cool – for about a month. So them, I know about, they briefly had relevance to my life. But the artists and the product of today, or even the past ten years, do not. There’s a whole lot in pop culture that has no relevance to me. I can’t reel off names that aren’t on my radar – I wouldn’t even know about them without seeing them on different headlines. I also have no interest in sports, even less in tabloid stars, although I know they all exist in pop culture, and matter to other people. Which is cool. That’s not a judgement, it’s a preference.

He is kind of pathetic now, both in terms of his substandard output and his all around douchieness, but it is hard to deny his past success.

Suenigma, no way would I be denying the past success of Eminem’s heyday – I’ll take your word for it that he used to be huge – in a genre I never listened to. I was trying to understand WTH was going on with him Now….and I think several posts have made the same point that you did….which is what I wanted to know.

well, cookie can flash my pan anytime but I don’t want M anywhere near it. he is trash.

Yes, Eminem has had great success; made lots of money; and received lots of awards – but he’s no singer. Has anyone heard him SING the National Anthiem? Funny, he selected three Idol singers who can actually sing. When Rap first came out, I didn’t think it was singing. Thirty years later, and I still think of it as cRap.

BTW, I also don’t think Christian Rap is singing either.

Mathers had huge success 15 years ago, but he hasn’t grown as an artist at all since then. He’s still doing the same routine. He’s just inserting new names (instead of ‘N Sync, it’s now David Cook or Adam Lambert).

Mathers is in his late 30s now, which makes the name-calling routine sound childish and stupid. He looks like someone’s pathetic uncle who gets plowed and then insults the other guests at a wedding reception.

standtotheright, indeed much of what you say is true. It has been very difficult for me to accept Rap artists being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum. Your basic discussion explains why this is happening. However, it does not change my stance in believing it is not “song”.

I am a Founding Member of the Rock Hall. As you can imagine, the induction of Rap artists have been very hard for me to handle.

Thank goodness, my children did not listen to most of the Rap out when they were teens, nor did they attend their concerts. It is not my age, but rather my preference (as Incipit states).

Holden:
06/11/2010 at 5:53 pm
Mathers had huge success 15 years ago, but he hasn’t grown as an artist at all since then. He’s still doing the same routine. He’s just inserting new names (instead of ‘N Sync, it’s now David Cook or Adam Lambert).

Mathers is in his late 30s now, which makes the name-calling routine sound childish and stupid. He looks like someone’s pathetic uncle who gets plowed and then insults the other guests at a wedding reception.

Word to this whole post. And it is amusing to look at the lyrics to one of his old hits now (Without Me):

“And Moby? You can get stomped by Obie
You thirty-six year old baldheaded f%g, blow me
You don’t know me, you’re too old, let go
It’s over, nobody listen to techno”

Change the name from Moby to Eminem, and the word “techno” to “rap”, and this could be about him. Ahhh irony.

There’s a whole lot in pop culture that has no relevance to me. I can’t reel off names that aren’t on my radar – I wouldn’t even know about them without seeing them on different headlines.

I guess I just think the word “relevant” means more than “directly influential on my day to day existence.” I don’t particularly care for or seek out German expressionist films, for example, but since I occasionally go to the movies, those techniques (filtered and refracted through other filmmakers) have an impact on my viewing experience. And hip-hop, having built itself into a force in popular music, has influences on songs that aren’t typically included in the genre. So even if I didn’t listen to anything typically labeled as such, I’d still call it relevant because I’m a fan of music. It’s certainly not a statement of preference.

ETA: Grammie Kari, my feeling is that rock is, itself, a bastard genre that shares with hip-hop roots in rhythm and blues, and so whether you think of it as singing or not (and many songs do have sung verses and choruses), I don’t think rock has lost out from the inclusion.

tbh, I think Cook would find this hilarious and awesome in a way.

Change the name from Moby to Eminem, and the word “techno” to “rap”, and this could be about him. Ahhh irony.

That’s really funny!

And it looks like the Celtics may be calling on that household name “David Cook” the next time they need somebody to sing the national anthem competently.

[And, just for the record, I kinda liked what Anita Baker did there ("making it her own"), but you JUST. DON'T. DO. THAT. AT. A. PROFESSIONAL. SPORTING. EVENT. Not if you don't want to be the object of ridicule, anyway!]

I appreciate your comments standtotheright.

Yes, the Foundation of Rock and Roll music includes:

Blues
Gospel
R & B
Jazz
Country
Folk
Traditional Pop

So, the roots of Rap do come from this influence. However, I just don’t like it!

i think its a great publicity for dc, he won’t take the diss seriously

after all.. he made into E’s song.. that is the most suprising thing evah…

but IA with everyone, it rhymes with brooke, crook, book.. or whatever.. haha..

Eminem’s rap about Cook should be treated as a compliment when compared to Eminem’s rap about Moby.

When I first heard this, I didn’t believe it, because Cook seems like such a strange “target” for Eminem. I don’t get why he’d even show up on Em’s radar. For me, this registers as a big fail for Em lyrically. In fact, when I read the lyrics, it feels like he was just searching for a word to fit the rhyme.

Personally, I don’t think this will register with anyone outside the fanbase, or not much further than that. Cook is totally likable and not really playing the “pop” game like Em himself or Em’s usual targets.

This may be a big stretch, but you could also say ” Trouble In River City” from The Music Man is rapping.
I don’t get Em; never did. Why choose someone as non-controversial
as Cook? Maybe, as above posters have said, just because it’s an easy rhyme.

Congrats to David Cook for being name-checked in an Eminem song! Coincidentally, I attended a Trivia night at a local bar recently, and one of the questions actually was “name 3 celebs dissed in Eminem songs”! He joins the ranks of Britney, Christina, Mariah, even that PB Steelers QB Ben with the long last name…

@MJ: I think he meant “Brooke Hogan”, the daughter of Hulk Hogan, not “Brooke, Hogan” which implies 2 diff ppl. She truly was a flash in the pan.

I don’t think any Eminem fan is gonna look up DC & his music, but many ppl who aren’t Rap fans will still pick up an Eminem album (kinda like ppl who weren’t blues fans still bought Elvis), and those ppl will check out DC due to this.

Incipit:GreenHippo – here’s the origins of the phrase explained -

I thought it referred to the powder flash used to take photographs in ye olden days….

Anyway, DC will just brush this off….he eats eminems for breakfast. :P

Lol Tony…

DC may be flash in the pan…but this thread certainly isn’t! But in all seriousness, if Cook gets asked about it, he’ll probably say that it’s a complement to get mentioned by Eminem (since most of the people that he mentions in his raps are well known). Cook’s been in “hiding” for quite a while now, so I can see why someone would think of him as a “flash in the pan”. Plus, I think he does need to get back into the limelight pretty soon…..

I’m legitimately surprised that Eminem even knows who David Cook is.

I was, until I remembered how well Cook’s album and early post-idol songs did on the charts. If most of us pay attention to the charts, I’m guessing that musical artists pay attention even more…Eminem also had an album out around the time that Cook’s album came out.

MAnnM, yo…

LOL sunchick, yo what up.

Moby makes Cook look hardcore

*L* I thought later I should have signed off Cookie’s rap with, “Tell your Mom I said hi.” It would have been more in character — he just can’t escape the nice guy label. Hopefully he’ll continue to be one of the rare nice guys who finishes first.

And hip-hop, having built itself into a force in popular music, has influences on songs that aren’t typically included in the genre.

Yup standtotheright I totally agree. I’m tempted to say everything I know about rap I learned from Glee, but that’s not really true. I think those rhythms (just like R&B rhythms) have thoroughly penetrated the consciousness of modern music makers and consumers. Whether they realize it or not.

brewster:
06/11/2010 at 2:55 pm
Does anyone think that Em has any cred left?

cred in terms of what? he’s widely considered to be the greatest rapper in the game today, and certainly up there in terms of all-time behind tupac.

or maybe you mean cred in terms of popularity? but his last album released in 2009 opened with 600k and his first single off of recovery shot straight to #1.

i mean you can detect certain traces of the old eminem schtick in some lyrics off his new album, but listen to going through changes, or not afraid, or cinderella man, or space bound and you might change your mind.

Grammie Kari:
06/11/2010 at 5:51 pm
Yes, Eminem has had great success; made lots of money; and received lots of awards – but he’s no singer.

um yeah, he’s not a singer. he’s a rapper. let’s criticize yo-yo ma for not being able to sing while we’re at it.

Exactly. Poor guy is really showing his age. Why not attack Ashley Simpson!

Hmmmm. Come to think of it, it has been a while since Brooke Hogan’s attempts at pop stardom as well.

I think this rhyme is just old.

ok u stupid little david cook fan community… lets state some facts about Eminem here,,, 1. won 11 Grammys and an OSCAR plus tons other awards 2. won best selling artist of the DECADE in the US and Worldwide with over 80 millions records sold (in that decade he was absent from the spotlight for 5 years) 3. got the fastest selling album of all time 4. this song is one of the crappie ones in his album so u should thank god he didn’t mention him in a big song 5. he called one of his very close friends “Elton John” a C**ksucker in other song but thats ok, because that what he does he make funny songs.
Finaly, this album he is putting out this month, will be the highest selling album this year,,,mark my word… and ya all should be happy that david cook has been mentioned in a song, that means he made it

Eminem fantards! LOL

You know some of the people in here making the harsher statements about Eminem are actually not fans of David Cook? They are just regular posters here who don’t like Eminem. And there have been actually a number of Cook fans here who have expressed admiration for Em. So let’s not turn this into a “Cook fans hate Eminem” thing.

Also, as a long time hip hop head, you and I both know damn well that there is plenty of room to criticize him. He has been mining the same territory for a minute, and while he did attempt to try some new stuff his last album some of it was just the same old thing. And honestly, feuding with Mariah Carey? Yeah. The 90s are calling, and they want their schtick back. LOL. I’ve heard good things about his latest and honestly I hope he ends up maturing as gracefully as Jay-Z is seeming too. He has serious skills.

cred in terms of what? he’s widely considered to be the greatest rapper in the game today, and certainly up there in terms of all-time behind tupac.
or maybe you mean cred in terms of popularity? but his last album released in 2009 opened with 600k and his first single off of recovery shot straight to #1.

Eminem is a very good rapper. Loved his earlier albums. However, I think his newer stuff is less inspired and lacking in much progression (in contrast to some of the greatest artists who have been able to vary their sound throughout the years). I can understand why his current “cred” is being questioned by some, regardless of his impressive opening sales in 2009.

Also, as much as I like him, I think he is far from being one of the greatest rappers of all time. His massive success is a combination of being talented as well as being able to appeal to a certain demographic niche that most black rappers have a harder time appealing to. Even Eminem would probably agree with that, seeing that he’s referred to that issue multiple times in some of his raps (e.g. “White America”)

ETA: Yeah…What Tinawina said…

rap music.

That is an oxymoron if I’ve ever seen one.

ha!!! Tinawina! I agree. I’m not sure I’d call myself a diehard fan of Em. But he has certainly crafted some great music in the past. I don’t know squat about his new album. But reading the lyrics where Cook is mentioned, fail. That’s all I’m saying. It doesn’t work lyrically. It doesn’t make sense for Em to go after Cook. It doesn’t click. And it feels like a desperate attempt to make the rhyme work. Cook as a person and star doesn’t fit that lyric. Bottom line. And people here know I ain’t no diehard Cook fan, though I like him very much. :)

hen there was some chatter on Twitter the other day that supposedly Ems daughter is a DC fan. Who knows if that’s true though.

Haha…he’s probably had to listen to “Time of My Life” more times than he can count!

And it feels like a desperate attempt to make the rhyme work. Cook as a person and star doesn’t fit that lyric. Bottom line.

I honestly think he wrote that a while ago. Maybe it was a track that didn’t make his last album? Because the Brooke Hogan reference sounds a bit dated too. A few months too late like the DC reference. It would have been fine a year ago, you know?

Haha…he’s probably had to listen to “Time of My Life” more times than he can count!

That explains everything. LOL

If Em wasn’t such an egotistical ass, I’d be tempted to think he’s doing what everyone else does — which is, drop a popular idol’s name to generate buzz for their own asses. As noted, this lyric is dated, even for this purpose. He’d have gotten much better mileage out of this shit awhile back. Heh.

And I am a diehard Cook fan. So ya know… :-)

Brooke Hogan had one of my favorite album covers ever.

He should be rapping about the glory of that cover – not her level of fame!

On another note – I’ll never forget the summer Eminem had 3 songs killing it on the radio at the same time. I remember that one of them was the song for his daughter. I thought it was really weird to have that many songs playing at once, but they were all really good and kind of deserved it.

Eminem fantards! LOL

Stan, is that you?

(Muah. Couldn’t resist. ;) )

Also, as much as I like him, I think he is far from being one of the greatest rappers of all time.

I dunno, I think I’d def put him up there somewhere for Stan alone, plus the Slim Shady LP/Marshal Mathers LP/Eminem Show trifecta is arguably pretty impressive. OTOH, the later albums have decent stuff like Mosh paired up with super played out crap like Just Lose It, so meh.

Joyed:
06/11/2010 at 11:45 pm
Brooke Hogan had one of my favorite album covers ever.

Is that for real? Hahahaha…..

I knew that this thread would be a fun one (heh, MollyAnnMay—you’re funny) but I never expected a hard core Eminem-stan to show up. Awesome.

Thsnks for the thread, MJ! I don’t make it here that often these days, but I do enjoy the random drop-by….

Yes, Eminem has had great success; made lots of money; and received lots of awards – but he’s no singer. Has anyone heard him SING the National Anthiem? Funny, he selected three Idol singers who can actually sing. When Rap first came out, I didn’t think it was singing. Thirty years later, and I still think of it as cRap.

BTW, I also don’t think Christian Rap is singing either.

It’s not supposed to be singing. It’s still valid. It is what it is.

Eminem is correct. Cook went to irrelevancy fairly quickly. I’m going to the Bamboozle Roadshow today and I bet I can mention Cook has an album coming out later this year and I’ll get 90% blank looks back. To those who do respond, most will relate how their Mom or older sister “listens to that guy”. To be honest he seems to only be connecting to the over-30 crowd. And, that is the failure of Idol of late, they cannot deliver talent that can penetrate the younger demographics.

First, there’s nothing wrong with the “over-30 crowd”! I saw Cook in concert and there were a ton of young fans there, including guys singing along. He may not get the airplay on top 40 so his name isn’t as widely known but he’s definitely not irrelevant! I have a feeling his new album will do better than his first since he was able to devote more time and put more of himself into it. At least that’s what I’m hoping!

How ironic that the angriest, most bitter and hateful artist chooses the happiest, most thankful, and loving artist to pick on. Nothing ever changes. Reminds me of grade school and high school, but in musical attack mode as opposed to physical attack mode. Eminem says the critcs never have anything nice to say, well neither does he. He is an ass. He is such a misogynist and for that reason alone I can’t stand him.

Oh, btw, I have nephews in their late teens and early twenties. They really dig Cook. They went to his concerts. One went to the Atlanta show, one to a college show, and one to the HOB’s. These are kids that roll their eyes at Idol, but watched his season because there was so much buzz about David Cook. Actually, I don’t think any artist worries about the ages of his fans, as long as they support their work.

I’m going to the Bamboozle Roadshow today

That sounds like so much fun – which act are you looking forward to the most?

To those who do respond, most will relate how their Mom or older sister “listens to that guy”. To be honest he seems to only be connecting to the over-30 crowd.

LOL, I listen to “that guy” and I’m under 30.

Look, it is not an all or nothing kind of thing – Cook doesn’t have to have his name known by everyone in the world or he’s completely irrelevant. There are plenty of artists getting played on the radio and selling their music who I have no idea who they are – doesn’t mean they aren’t doing well for themselves.

In fact, I bet many people who don’t know Cook’s name would recognize at least one of his songs if you played it. Hell, if they’re sports fans and have been watching NBC, they would recognize “Heroes.”

that is the failure of Idol of late, they cannot deliver talent that can penetrate the younger demographics.

Also, I see where you’re coming from, but I disagree overall with this. One, some Idol stars really do attract their fair share of younger fans – one has only to take a look at an the fans at an Archuleta concert to see that he has reached out to a young audience. Jordin – who was the last truly pop winner – also has a younger audience.

Also, not all Idol acts solely target a younger audience. Cook and Kris (the latest two winners on radio) lean more HAC than Pop which is a genre that tends to skew older anyway – with or without any help from Idol.

The thing most Idols have in common is that they are family friendly – that tends to be their target audience – so I really don’t feel anything has changed with Idol there…

Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, and Jordin prove that when you get radio smashes the audience will follow – that more than anything plays into who their audience is, IMO.

Either way, I am very excited to get new music from Cook. I hope for his sake he gets to break out with a song, especially now that he will have had time to write on all the songs on his album :)

Did Cook ever even really flash in the pan? I don’t think so. These manufactured Idol “artists” need a ton of long term support to prop them up and few ever get it. I suspect Mister Mathers was desperate for a rhyme with “book”.

Well let’s see, does a platinum selling album, two platinum singles and making it into the Guinness World Records 2010 book count? I think Cook’s was one of only 13 albums that year to go platinum but don’t hold me to it. He was also on numerous Billboard year end charts. I’m not a number nerd and don’t have his stats at my fingertips.

ETA. Re: “manufactured” idol artists — Cook has been writing songs and playing in bands since he was 15 and he’s not the only contestant that has experience so there’s nothing manufactured about him lol

Not sure where to put this, but I found this youtube video with possible song spoilers for the season 2.1 episode of Glee. It suggests the use of Cook’s “Come Back To Me”, sung by Mr. Shue.

I have no idea how reputable this uploader is.. I just hope it’s true :)

So two years ago, my musical preferences could be considered a worthwhile barometer and now they’re apparently completely irrelevant? Good to know. Sorry Cook. I tried to stay under 30 for ya, but the fountain of youth search didn’t pan out. Anyway, isn’t Third Eye Blind playing Bamboozle? They’re in their forties. How did they sneak in there I wonder.

One of the new songs David Cook has written that possibly will be on the new record is entitled “Mouthbreathers”. New tweet.

RT @Sassycatz Boy, that David Cook is quick. Already wrote a song about Eminem.//LOL

Well let’s see, does a platinum selling album, two platinum singles and making it into the Guinness World Records 2010 book count?

Apparently not, lol. I can’t believe we got defensive Eminem fans in here. Awesome. See! It’s not just Idol fans :)

im an eminem fan, and i will tell the possible reasons eminem mentions david cook or any other artists,,, eminem has been asked a million time in his interviews why do u go at artists and thats his response:
1. he has a hat of full artists names that are making a buzz in the industry, in he just picks names out of that hat that rhymes with something,, he always said “nothing Personal”.
2. he realy really like that artist, for example “Christopher reeve” was made fun of in almost every song in his last album, this is only because superman was his favorite thing when he was a kid.
3. if his daughter really really likes someone, he will make mention that person in a song.. and thats the reason i think he mentioned david cook name, cuz his daughter is into american idol,, he also had to meet justin bieber and take a photo whih him not long ago, again its because of his daughter.
4. if he’s taking a jab at someone on purpose he wouldn’t put it in a humors song, he will make sure u know its serious.
and yes, i am a stan, and im proud of it, most of this guy music and lyrics are inspiring and motivating “not his commercial ones”. he is one of the greatest artists of all time.
“women lie, men lie, numbers don’t”
david cook who? he should be happy, people will recognize him more now

I had to laugh at the previous post- lh2shay. Not buyn’ it…I think eminem is a bitter, unhappy, jealous child. Probably, still mad that David’s “Come Back To Me” video did better than his brief stint on vh1 last summer. Ya LOL, David Cook is someone that should be picked on, what a joke. He’s a much better person, singer with charisma and just plain hot-none of those things can be said for em. I have the urge to say more but as a Cook fan, I’m not going to stoop that low out of respect for David.

Geesh I don’t mind MM dissing trashy artists but David Cook and Clay Aiken are good men. I guess MM is just a plain American Idol hater. Talented but a douchebag for sure.

im an eminem fan, and i will tell the possible reasons eminem mentions david cook or any other artists,,,

lh2shay, I appreciate your perspective as an Eminem fan. I don’t take any of his songs too personally, and while I don’t follow him closely, I have always admired his success, several of his songs, and was glad when he was starting to recover. I think you added some great context for those who don’t know what inspires some of his writing.

To other Eminem fans – don’t be offended by people here (or elsewhere) who don’t get that perspective. Some people are very literal and see every “attack” as being personal. Kind of like when guys are horsing around and insulting each other and they think the guys are about to have a serious fight instead of just teasing.

Also, ignore anyone who puts down Eminem’s success – he has been insanely successful (in terms of critical acclaim and sales) and anyone who says otherwise is probably just ignorant of this information.

(However, it is likewise true of someone putting down David Cook’s sales that they are also pretty ignorant about how well he sold – but not everyone likes to change their mind ;))