Editor of Out Criticizes Adam Lambert’s Management

  • Hicklin’s entire letter can be found HERE. The Out interview is a good one, read it HERE.

Just found this in the Village Voice:

In the new Out 100 issue of Out–which I write for–editor Aaron Hicklin pens a sharp letter criticizing Lambert’s management for their namby-pambiness in trying to re-cloak his sexuality. Lambert gave the magazine a terrific interview, but his handlers were not so glorious, alas.

Says Hicklin:

*Adam’s people were reluctant to let him appear on the cover. They only let it happen if it was a group shot, preferably including someone straight. (This even though Out was first in line, ages ago, in asking for a Lambert cover. Somehow Details was granted a crack at him first, presenting the singer caressing a barely clad woman and talking about kissing girls, though he did also manage to get in the fact that he’s gay).

*Out was urged not to make Adam too gay in the shot.

*They were also informed that Adam probably wouldn’t be able to attend an Out 100 event because they didn’t want to jeopardize his record sales.

Whoa.

Update: I just read the entire Out editor letter, and I have to say that 19’s behavior does NOT surprise me.   They’ve got a product they’re trying to sell en masse, and are afraid of offending potential customers.   Not to say I think it’s right–I find any sort of attempt to stuff Adam back into the closet unsavory and depressing.

What DOES surprise me, is the Out editor’s willingness to call out 19.   Wow.   Seriously, Out just burned that bridge. Forever.   And it’s probably given pause to a a few other management types watching the kerfuffle from the sidelines…

ETA: Not to mention all the magazine sells from Adam fans Out just lost.   Also, Hicklin is probably leveraging the situation for publicity, but I don’t believe he’s lying.

  • hwc

    Whoa!

  • glitter

    So Out is outing 19E. I don’t get why Adam’s mgmt are trying to control the gay when everybody knows Adam is gay. Out magazine of course is trying to politicise this and who’s stuck in the middle Adam. Does Adam really care about this? I doubt it just Out magazine who has an agenda similar to Perez Hilton.

  • Kanadie Bonttell

    Boy this guy really called out 19 & RCA…WoW….! Crazy.

  • Kirsten

    Woah!

    Interesting. It’s not often you get editors spilling the behind the scenes stuff. Must have been really peeved.

  • leome

    Wow! This is something. I think this may explain why he’s with a woman in the other magazine… I don’t know, it’s so strange this is happening now, after everything that Adam has said and even after that album cover! I mean, being in a Out 100 event could jeopardize his record sales? I think if that was the case, the album cover would do it too, and more.

    Do we already know for sure who is his management?

  • Starr

    Wow…what the heck? Who are these people in charge of management and why do they seem so incredibly awful?

  • Squirrely

    moved from other thread
    *****

    Comments from my openly gay friend seems to fit with Michael Musto’s article as well

    I think there is a tendency to overreact in the gay community because there is a level of straightwashing that does happen in our society’ ¦ a lot really; however, I don’t think people need to jump on everything as being a straightwash and freak out over every little thing.

    Crazy homos, chill. Life is short. Relax and enjoy it, ya know? ;)

    No pictures or articles will make Adam straight, he is gay. I think Adam has shown he is being himself an openly gay man trying to make it in this business. There is too much pressure on him to be an advocate when he’s trying to start a career. Most gay men and women stay in the closet until their career is established and even then some don’t come out. I wish people would cut the boy some slack because he is getting it from all sides. I wish him the best and hope he continues to stand up tall under all this pressure.

  • wand3rful

    ohhhh snap. somebody is not happy. i understand both sides….a bit hard to be “totally/in your face/100% gay” in this society and not have it affect your career. tough spot for both adam and management. yet frustrating for the gay community to see an entertainer “sell out” to the mainstream public. And yes, refusing to appear solo on the cover and alluding to being bi-curious could appear as selling out to some.

  • knagoogen

    *Out was urged not to make Adam too gay in the shot.

    Seriously? If management was urging this for the magazine, where were they when Adam’s album cover was decided on?

  • PattyH

    The thing is, for this particular issue, the cover would have been a group shot anyway. No?
    Not sure why the editor feels the need to publish this letter now. Is this an indictment of Adam or his managers?
    Does Adam know about the things he is claiming?
    Wouldn’tanyone wanting to break into the music business, choose Rolling Stone over Out, if given the opportunity?
    He seems like he is just validating the point that the gay community does not support Adam.
    Whether he (the editor) wants to admit it or not, the fact that Adam is openly gay will affect his record sales. Sad, but true.
    It would have been nice to see him thank Adam for being openly gay at the beginning of his career instead of waiting years to come out.

    I find the letter sad. And as Truthiness just said at the end of the other thread, “Out just lost a sale.”

    ETA: “Don’t Make the Photo Look Too Gay.” What! Has he seen the album cover!

  • saga

    EH’ ¦. why blame the management? I think Adam has stated clearly that he doesn’t want to be a poster boy for the gay movement. He wants to be a singer. Yes, he is gay but that is not what he wants to be famous for. I think the editor wanted to make him into a poster boy and Adam refused. Simple as that.

    I think the letter is really sad. If we ever wanted proof that they gay community is his worst critics, this is it.

  • spinastory

    Yeah this doesn’t make sense.. don’t believe everything you read.. :-)

  • glamfan

    well if this is true something like this is bound to happen if you’re a pioneer like adam i guess. is adam’s management listening to gene simmons now?

  • unique28v

    Who is the straight person on the cover with Adam?

    Also, I’m surprised at 19. If they feel like that, why did they allow Adam to use the cover that he’s using for his album??

  • HermeticallySealed

    You know what pisses me off about this? Because this a$$ muncher felt like being a bitchy queen about the whole thing, a good many in the gay community are going to unfairly blame it all on Adam rather than the management, and start black balling him. But then, doesn’t surprise me, I’ve always known that the gay community was it’s own worst enemy.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Who is the straight person on the cover with Adam?

    Cyndi Lauper.

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    I think it’s unfair how the editor is blaming it on Adam.it’s his management.as too being “too gay “- it’s sad but true it will affect record sales.an to critisize him in the issue itself,and make such a big deal of it—sigh.

    it’s.not.Adams.fault.imho(even if I didn’t worship the ground he walks on)

  • jan

    Seriously? If management was urging this for the magazine, where were they when Adam’s album cover was decided on?

    Seriously!! This is the most schizophrenic roll-out of a new artist that I have ever seen.

  • saga

    Yup, totally agree that OUT lost a sale on this one.

  • sidewalkstory

    mj, this article was written by Michael Musto. Your caption makes no mention of him and makes it appear as if it were written by Hicklin.

  • hwc

    I take it OUT magazine hasn’t seen Lambert’s CD cover. Like he’s really trying to hide the fact that he’s gay!

    I can’t stop laughing at the thought of Lambert being accused of not acting “gay enough”.

  • Kirsten

    EH’ ¦. why blame the management?

    It doesn’t exactly jive with what Adam has been saying. He’s always said that management has let him decide how he wants to approach this issue and how he wants himself presented.

    Perhaps it was a joint decision?

    Although, it’s not unheard of for Idols to recant what they previously said in order to make nice.

    And yes, that cover for the album is way more out there than Out. Besides, I’m pretty sure that fewer Adam customers will be reading Out then seeing his album cover when they buy it.

    So odd this situation. What’s Going On?

  • wand3rful

    Who is the straight person on the cover with Adam?

    Cyndi Lauper

    Also, I’m surprised at 19. If they feel like that, why did they allow Adam to use the cover that he’s using for his album??

    LOL , seriously. Looks like these guys are fighting the wrong battle :)

  • gangreen29

    eah this doesn’t make sense.. don’t believe everything you read..

    I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the editor of Out when discussing what happened between Out and Adam’s management.

    Who is the straight person on the cover with Adam?

    Cyndi Lauper

  • saga

    I really don’t think it’s the management. I think the editor wanted something out of Adam that Adam was not willing to give. The stuff he is saying doesn’t really add up. The cover anyone? The androgynos photos of him with a ponytail?

  • suebrody

    Well, I would be interested in Adam’s take on this. I understand that 19 didn’t want him to come out as “gay” during the competition (whether or not I agree is a different story, but Adam also has said he wanted the competition to focus on his singing, which it did), but afterward, isn’t it fair game? Is 19/RCA really making the calls now? If so, why was he allowed be on the cover of RS? Why would Out call out 19 just for the hell of it? What would they gain by that? Is this extra press for Out?

    I’m confused.

    Oh, and why would 19 let Adam go ahead with a very controversial album cover but not let him appear “too gay” in the Out cover? I mean, it’s Out Magazine, for Chrissake, not Tiger Beat, as noted earlier.

  • PattyH

    There is too much pressure on him to be an advocate when he’s trying to start a career. Most gay men and women stay in the closet until their career is established and even then some don’t come out. I wish people would cut the boy some slack because he is getting it from all sides. I wish him the best and hope he continues to stand up tall under all this pressure.

    Yes to this! Just let the man start his career! I want the music damn it!

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    OH wow – what a heavy load they are putting on Adams back, Adam Lambert just keep singing your face off and fans, gay or straight will continue loving you – sheeeeeesh – poor guy, I know he can handle it but why should he have to, over and over – just Wow

  • Teri63

    This makes me feel so sorry for Adam. He just frickin’ wants to sing! I really think this letter to him was unfair, given that he granted them the interview they wanted. He likely didn’t even know about what was going on behind the scenes with 19/RCA and the Out people. What a nasty load of pressure to put on Adam.

  • Q3

    Do we already know for sure who is his management?

    Adam is managed by 19, just like Kris.

    It is normal to negotiate things like publication sequence, cover placement and number of people, and so on. It is not normal for a magazine editor to write a letter revealing details of negotiations.

    Last year’s cover also have 4 people including 1 straight woman [Katy Perry], so just put me in the slightly skeptical column on the idea that they wanted just Adam on the cover this year.

    Here is a link to the 2008 OUT Mag 100 cover: http://www.queerty.com/wp/docs/2008/11/cover_2008.jpg

  • Tess

    If TPTB were so insistent on all of the points alluded to by the Editor (and I am not doubting his statements) then OUT should have said no thanks and pulled Adam from the issue.

    The only person NOW being hurt by all of this is Adam….and I find it really sad. So, hopefully TPTB, OUT magazine, and Hicklin can pat themselves on the back and ring up another score for intolerance. Hicklin is as guilty as Adam’s management….he is scoring “Gay” points on the back of a fine young man.

    This whole episode has made me want to throw up!!

  • Starr

    Wait, I don’t get it. What is “too gay” anyway? Did they give a whole list of what constitutes too gay or not? It just seems a bit silly. And if management were worried about that, it’s a little strange that they wouldn’t apply the same editing hand when it came to Adam’s album cover. I mean, if there was any question about Adam’s sexuality, that was all squished with that album cover.

    ETA: But I agree with whoever said Adam doesn’t want to be defined by his sexuality, so we should not dwell on this too much.

  • Margie32127

    I agree with you, Saga. Adam doesn’t want to be defined on his sexuality. He wants people to enjoy his music.

  • suebrody

    Yeah, I was gonna say this, too. Adam just wants to sing his face off, and this seems to be becoming very difficult. Maybe when the album drops everyone can just focus on the music and not whether or not he is gay enough or too gay.

  • saga

    I’m calling “scorned editor” on this one. Sacrifising one for the great movement. No wonder Adam didn’t want to be a poster boy…

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    First of all, shame on you, 19. (Although I’m not the least bit surprised.)

    The question I’d ask Aaron Hicklin, though, is why did he compromise? Why was it so important they have Adam on the cover if they couldn’t do it by their own standards?

  • Valentin432

    Don’t know if it’s true, but won’t surprise me.
    19 knows that Adam’s fanbase is primarily constituted of women. Keeping his sexuality slightly in check may be part of the plan like playing up his bisexual tendencies .
    This would be very sad.

  • Miss Chaos

    It just keeps going on and on doesnt it, poor Adam!!!

  • http://littleglitterlittleglam.blogspot.com TheSpindleshay

    Out has been trying to get Adam for the mag since he was still on Idol (which is confirmed in the editor’s letter printed in Out). Adam didn’t want his run on Idol to be all about the gay, but instead about the music. Perhaps we are missing something here in the timeline. There’s no way that Adam’s management are stifling him like that now, look at his lyrics and that album cover!
    It was very disheartening to read that letter though, ngl.

  • alaadam

    Yep! Lost a sale on that one. I don’t get some gay peeps. Adam has really opened my mind and heart to gay people and I have learned so much from him that have advanced my beliefs with the gay community. I began to see in color instead of black and white and I felt like their sexuality doesn’t define them. THEN, this idiot writes a letter like this. They ARE they own worst enemy. No wonder peeps don’t want to come out. Look at the shit they have to put up with – even from their own. Makes me sick! I won’t even consider the mag now. It is definitely on MY blacklist.

  • auntieaimee

    If Adam’s handlers are treating him this way, that’s a shame.

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    my understanding of it was that the “you choose how to approach this isue” thing was for th gay pictures.I don’t think Adam ever strictly said it applied now,too.

  • mmb

    Out has been trying to get Adam for the mag since he was still on Idol (which is confirmed in the editor’s letter printed in Out).

    IIRC Idol does not allow any of their contestants to do solo covers or interviews while they are on the show — the EW thing was a stock photo and quotes taken from Idol sponsored interviews….regardless of whether it was OUT or People or US or National Geographic, Idol wasn’t letting him do a cover story while on the show

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    I am absolutely outraged for Adam. What a breach of trust!!! What a condescending, inflammatory travesty of a column. Why would anyone want to be interviewed and be “honored” by this magazine if this is the type of treatment they can expect?

    This really hurts and angers me. I can only imagine what Adam must feel.

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    Miss Chaos
    11/16/2009 at 7:09 pm
    It just keeps going on and on doesnt it, poor Adam!!!

    I forgot who said it but isn’t there a quite like ‘ it’s better for then to be saying bad thing about you then not talking about you at all’

  • alaadam

    What a way to set the movement back 10 years! Way to go Editor!

  • Chicagolaw

    I feel real sad for Adam, and after he gave them such a really great interview. Too bad Out had to do this, and too bad Adam is going to get it from every direction.

  • koshka

    Whatever… but if this is true then why did they allow Adam to have his folly with his album cover?

  • LoveContinuum

    Dear Editor of Out:

    Don’t use the word Apartheid unless you know what it REALLY means. Apartheid wasn’t about a different set of rules. Sure, there were plenty of double standards, but it was first and foremost about persecution. And said persecution included gay people, who could (and were) imprisoned for their “deviant” behavior. Using that word it in the context of your article, just doesn’t fit.

    Sorry. Pet peeve, of no consequence to most…

  • dsp

    WOW….JUST WOW….I will not be buying the magazine now…I feel like OUT just USED Adam. Out used Adam to make a buck and it is very sad.

  • abbysee

    Ugh. This seems to me more about how they want to define Adam, than to how Adam wants to define himself. Not being a part of the gay community I won’t try to understand what the motivation for this open letter is. I am mystified though why they would choose to do this. How many straight celebrities’s handlers want their clients seen in a certain light? Most of them. So why do they have to create a hostile work environment for someone who is definitely furthering the ’cause’ than hindering it? I learned this earlier today, and it’s so fucking appropriate…. :roll:

  • Truthiness

    So let me start with Michael Modesto here, so he never even VOTED for Adam before any of this. He was voting for the other guy, so way to support a brother there. And despite not supporting him, you want Adam to do exactly to be the kind of gay YOU expect, in order to support him. Even though you think he gave a glorious interview and you say it was his managemengt that sucked, but phew! thank goodness you never even supported Adam from the beginning. So Adam needs to support all of gaydom, but gaydom doesn’t feel the need to support him in return, even for things they acknowledge that Adam isn’t doing. Gotcha.

    As for the editor of OUT magazine, did you see the cover Adam chose for his Album? Do you know he got shit in parts of the gay community for it for it being too gay/effeminate? Do you hear the words he speaks, did you actually read that article in Details? or the one in yours? Oh you admit he’s saying he’s gay, but his management company may be doing some thing to down play that. I get your possible concerns with THEM, but Michael and Alan, you need to grow UP and realize that it was going to happen. And WTF do you expect from Adam? Does he have to be always making the right kind of magazine covers, and album covers and interviews?

    Well this is peachy. Peachy of 19Evil, though not unexpected. And expected from Michael Modesto and this editor. This sure will help make sure Adam has support with the gay community. Groovy guys.

  • BeckyMD

    How many magazine cover offers have been made to 19M during AI8? We know now at least Rolling Stone and Out. Probably others. Obviously RS won the pot and became the magazine that first ‘out’ Adam. For an artist who wants to be recognized and remembered by his music and sound and doesn’t want to be defined by his sexuality, RS is obviously a better choice than Out.

    And regarding gay community’s reaction to Adam, I quoted a comment from that Village Voice:

    Markus says:

    Wow. Talk about animals in the wild eating their young! I have never in my life been more disgusted than I am by cannibalistic, self-righteous gay publications such as Out, IVoice and Gawker who instead of supporting Lambert decide to harass and malign him while he struggles to be a successful recording artist because he doesn’t live up to their standards of how a gay star should behave. Let’s see:

    Gay album cover – check.
    Male pro-nouns in songs on album – check
    Public boy kissing – check
    Interviews in Details and Out that intelligently discuss his sexuality – check.

    His management company couldn’t reign him in if they tried and it’s obvious that Adam isn’t going to let them. Instead of treating this major talent like a pariah why not celebrate his talent and unique perspective? It’s a wonder he hasn’t caved from all the pressure put on him from both sides by now.

  • suebrody

    Whatever’ ¦ but if this is true then why did they allow Adam to have his folly with his album cover?

    THIS THIS THIS

    Dammit, I just want to hear his music. And he wants us to hear his music. And you know he’s reading all of this.

  • Starr

    I feel bad for Adam, but he’s been through tough stuff before, he will pull through this. It wasn’t very nice for the editor of OUT to have this letter out in the open for everyone to see, though.

  • Squirrely

    There is something funky about this whole situation. Adam is being pulled from left to right. He gives this very open and honest interviewed and the cover looks no different then previous covers so I don’t get this beef. What did they want, him in dress or something????

  • mmb

    oh no! I don’t know where to post it (figure most adam fans were over here), but it looks like the “real” michelin man picture is the back cover of the cd

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Aren’t the other men on the cover also gay? How come they are wearing suits too? I’m not sure what the editor means by “looking too gay?” What did he want Adam to wear? Confused about that one.

  • HappyDaisy

    From the Out Editor’s column, about Adam:

    You’re a pioneer, an out gay pop idol at the start of his career. Someone has to be first, and we’re all counting on you not to mess this up.

    That’s quite a statement.

  • LindaT

    Tess
    11/16/2009 at 7:03 pm
    If TPTB were so insistent on all of the points alluded to by the Editor (and I am not doubting his statements) then OUT should have said no thanks and pulled Adam from the issue.

    Tess, I agree with you. The editor of Out is trying to have it both ways. He puts Adam on the cover because it will help the magazine sell, compliments him on a great interview, and then slaps him (and his management) for essentially not being gay enough in the issue. This seems a bit self-serving to me. If Adam’s management was being too restrictive in their terms, then Out should have taken a pass. Instead the magazine agrees to the terms, and then tries to score additional points from it. The editor of Out just looks like a hypocrite to me.

  • Q3

    I will wait to make judgments on this until I read Aaron Hicklin’s entire letter. Hicklin wrote an excellent, and supportive of Adam, letter to the editor that was published in the Washington Post last May. I will trust what he says to be true.

    Michael Musto, on the other hand, is not someone I do not think highly of — and who has clipped quotes out of context in the past. He even ended this brief piece with a snide comment that MJ left off —

    “Some progress, huh? I’m starting to feel better that I voted for the other guy.”

  • Truthiness

    Out has been trying to get Adam for the mag since he was still on Idol (which is confirmed in the editor’s letter printed in Out).

    IIRC Idol does not allow any of their contestants to do solo covers or interviews while they are on the show ‘” the EW thing was a stock photo and quotes taken from Idol sponsored interviews’ ¦.regardless of whether it was OUT or People or US or National Geographic, Idol wasn’t letting him do a cover story while on the show

    Ironically enough, in OUT’s interview, Adam SAYS that they’re not allowed to do outside press during the show.

    Again, Alan you might want to try reading your own magazine articles.

  • CAReader

    Seconding Saga and Suebrody’s comments. I don’t think we the fans should be too concerned about the opinions of either Out’s editors or 19’s management, and shouldn’t pander to or give airtime to their contest of wills. From what I read about Adam, he’s a) completely being himself, and I’m sure neither Out nor 19 influenced that too much and b) he’s all about the music and giving a great performance. I think this editor/mgmt squabble is trivial, relative to what the majority of Adam’s fans care about.

  • wand3rful

    They ARE they own worst enemy. No wonder peeps don’t want to come out. Look at the shit they have to put up with ‘“ even from their own. Makes me sick! I won’t even consider the mag now. It is definitely on MY blacklist.

    Im sorry, but this approach is wrong. You cant start making generalizations on another group. Especially when you aren’t familiar with the gay community (as you clearly stated). They aren’t their own worst enemy….ignorance is. And based on history, it tends to come from us, the heterosexual community. The editor of OUT magazine isn’t a representative of the entire gay community no more so than MJ is of all white women. Before he start throwing stones at the dude, lets take a step back and try to understand his position. We werent there behind closed doors, we dont know how 19 behaved, we dont know how Adam reacted, we dont know what really happened to inspire this letter.

  • alaadam

    oh no! I don’t know where to post it (figure most adam fans were over here), but it looks like the ‘real’  michelin man picture is the back cover of the cd

    Where do you see that?

  • Studio57

    I don’t even believe this bullshit. Did 19 E stop the gay on the DAMN ALBUM COVER??????NO! So why should we believe this bullshit? And sorry, but none of the other people on the cover even look remotely stereotypical. As a matter of fact I think maybe ADAM is the only one wearing makeup out of the guys????

    God, what a jerk this Hecklin is to say this publicly.I am not saying he doesn’t have some points,especially about the details shoot- I can see both sides there, but this could really hurt Adam, no matter how much he tries to say it isn’t Adam’s fault. This part REALLY chaps my ass:

    You’re a pioneer, an out gay pop idol at the
    start of his career. Someone has to be fi rst, and we’re all counting
    on you not to mess this up

    Like the kid doesn’t have enough pressure. And if OUT had so much damn conviction, why have Adam on the cover anyway? REFUSE TO COMPROMISE! Instead, they will take the money that the mag makes, and get themselves some more publicity at the same time. Jerks.

  • evanjane

    To be perfectly honest, I think Adam has been doing what Adam wants for some time now. Hold back now on OUT, it doesn’t make sense. He certainly doesn’t appear to be holding back on his FYE video. The Katy Perry cover does match the tone of Adam’s cover, quite appealling and very classy. Again, Adam doesn’t come across as a follower. For wanting to push envelopes, why buckle now?

    I think the bottom line is Adam must decided what is more important to him: mainstream success or being true to himself and his “art”. Again, I can’t see him compromising about his sexuality or his art.

    Doesn’t add up as far as I’m concerned.

  • suebrody


    From the Out Editor’s column, about Adam:

    You’re a pioneer, an out gay pop idol at the
    start of his career. Someone has to be first, and we’re all counting
    on you not to mess this up.

    That’s quite a statement.

    WTF does “not mess this up” even mean? Not act gay enough?!
    What’s gay enough, anyway?

    I think Adam has some music you might be interesting in hearing…WWFM is starting to become just a tad more relevant, isn’t it? And for anyone saying he is has been through this before, he sure hasn’t anywhere in this degree.

  • mmb

    oh no! I don’t know where to post it (figure most adam fans were over here), but it looks like the ‘real’  michelin man picture is the back cover of the cd

    Where do you see that

    Twitter — there are links to back of cd and cd itself (rainbowy)

  • Squirrely

    WOW’ ¦.JUST WOW’ ¦.I will not be buying the magazine now’ ¦I feel like OUT just USED Adam. Out used Adam to make a buck and it is very sad.

    I remember they got bent out of shape over the Details cover and tweeted *that’s not the only gay magazine cover Adam would be on* or something to that affect. Maybe they are peeved he was on Details first…. I don’t get it.

  • steve

    Ok here is the good news.Most of the OTT fans have stopped speed dailing the radio now and speed emailing OUT MAG.
    lmao so funny.

  • ladymadonna

    This is the most schizophrenic roll-out of a new artist that I have ever seen.

    Word. Obviously something is not clicking behind the scenes. I don’t think they’ve decided yet which Adam they want to market. Regardless of what this says about Out Magazine, it certainly speaks volumes about the fact that there’s clearly a disconnect between Adam, his label, and his management. What the hell is going on in that war room?

  • jts323

    What I get is Adam has the ladies; Kris has the gays….talk about irony lol

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    sorry,can’t edit but I’m not saying that quote applies here.

    OMG(it’s not oma if it bad ) please tell me this a sick joke

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    It will be interesting to see the reaction from the gay community. How old is the editor that wrote this? I am really wondering if it is a generational thing. It seems to me the younger generation, Adam’s new generation, is more liberated and less likely to want to play by anyone’s rules.

    I liken it to how some younger women didn’t want to support Hillary Clinton during her run for the presidency. Some older women were enraged by that and felt that all women should support Hillary because it would advance women’s rights. I don’t have the time to elaborate on that just now, will try to get back here later.

  • http://littleglitterlittleglam.blogspot.com TheSpindleshay

    HappyDaisy
    11/16/2009 at 7:17 pm

    From the Out Editor’s column, about Adam:

    You’re a pioneer, an out gay pop idol at the start of his career. Someone has to be first, and we’re all counting on you not to mess this up.

    That’s quite a statement.

    That is QUITE a statement, indeed. Um, looks the editor is trying to make sure Adam gets off on the wrong fucking foot.

  • koshka

    steve
    11/16/2009 at 7:21 pm
    Ok here is the good news.Most of the OTT fans have stopped speed dailing the radio now and speed emailing OUT MAG.
    lmao so funny.

    Do you know some? Or are you an OTT fan?

  • Duke

    triple..snap

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    but I pre-ordered it on iTunes,so I won’t see te back cover.but still…D:

  • unique28v

    Also, Adam mentions he’s gay in pretty much every magazine article. If anything, 19 would have had a problem with the Rollingstones article. I think there is definitely more to this story.

    Since Adam doesn’t want to be the poster child for the gay rights movement, maybe he should be like Neil Patrick Harris and not talk about it so much. The more he talks about it, the more the gay community seems to want to push him in a certain direction.

  • alaadam

    So what was the guy’s purpose in writing this letter?

  • mmb

    The back cover pic looks kinda cool — like a samurai/spaceman/bob’s big boy…..

  • tls62

    I feel like we’re getting a glimpse of what Adam has been dealing with for years. It’s very unfortunate and sad that the focus keeps moving away from his music….all he wants to do is entertain everyone and make us happy, but yet it’s a fight the entire way.

    After reading that letter I’m afraid my protective side of Adam has emerged and I have this intense desire to beat this guy’s ass right now. But that’s just me……

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    steve
    11/16/2009 at 7:21 pm
    Ok here is the good news.Most of the OTT fans have stopped speed dailing the radio now and speed emailing OUT MAG.
    lmao so funny.

    weird how no one’s doing that for Allison…

  • ptslittlecomment

    I think the editor’s letter is a combination of several factors. The magazine may well have been the first to offer Adam a cover, but 1) Idols aren’t goging to be allowed – to my knowledge – to willingly pose for any magazine cover while still inthe competition ( the EW Magazine was done with old photos and old quotes). 2) Adam did not want the sexuality thing to over shadow his singing talent while on the show (and it would have – it nearly did without any confirmation on his part) and 3) if you are going to publically out yourself why not go with Rolling Stone, a magazine commonly read by a larger and much more diverse population than Out, a magazine primarily used by folks in a community that had no doubt in the first place. The editor seems none to happy that other magazines got ahead of his in the “Que”, but whose to know the whole story in what happened as Adam became such a sensation over the course of the AI season.

    Now, I also have no doubt that 19E (primarily) and RCA ( to a lesser degree) are trying to control the image of their breakout star. It has been done since the merging of entertainment with business. I would hazard a guess that it is precisely because of the direction the 19E management saw Adam was heading with his choices with the album cover, interviews, videos and the like that they decided to put the breaks on the free-thinking Adam means of operation. Afterall they have decades of media and industry stigma and prejudice to scare them back onto safer, more middle America- type images . ( And like it or not reaction to the album cover was negative for the most part)

    I look at the group cover as a good thing. Adam has now at least been introduced to Ron Marshall – a very powerful movie director, and Cyndi Lauper – a very talented singer/songwriter and icon of the generation Adam seems to idolize. Moreover, every person on that cover has fans that want to purchase it, just as we Adam fans did. Good exposure to folks outside of the AI bubble.

  • suebrody
  • koshka

    Luv there is a digital booklet in the itunes ‘album’

  • Starr

    Um…is it really a good idea for the fans to “speed-email” this editor? I mean, the last thing Adam needs is for OUT to complain about his fans being overzealous on the internets. I think we should just ignore this. The less this is spotlighted, the less interest and traction this will gain.

  • steve

    koshka
    11/16/2009 at 7:22 pm
    steve
    11/16/2009 at 7:21 pm
    Ok here is the good news.Most of the OTT fans have stopped speed dailing the radio now and speed emailing OUT MAG.
    lmao so funny.

    Do you know some? Or are you an OTT fan?

    Yes thats me a OTT fan of idol and i love the months after the show.You can’t get laughing harder then reading some of this stuff.Just to funny.

  • ggdoorsfan

    something is fishy about this whole deal… and given enough time, it’s gonna all, for lack of a better term, come out… i sense a lot of manipulation and shenanigans and shade going on from both camps, and it’s comical getting ready to watch the kerfluffle that is sure to ensue… or is this just simply a ploy to divert a little attention away from other things the label or whoever doesn’t want focus on now…

    not putting anything past anybody at this point… lotta money and reps and saving face on the line, so hardball is the name of the game… ”for your entertainment” is turning out to be free entertainment, better than any bravo reality show, i tell ya, hahahah… i’m a poor tinhatter and grassy knoller, i know, so forgive me… i think i have an excellent bs detector, and it’s pinging like heck when i step back and look at this situation…three sides to every story… yours, mine, and the truth… it’s out there, just sitting back chillin’ till it comes to the fore…

  • readon

    Well Adam, it’s one of those times to shrug and say “Whatever”. Just keep being true to yourself. There will always be those from every direction that will insist that you confirm to some pre-defined image. Screw em.

    Gay community, you don’t own Adam. He wants to reach out to everyone with his music and his voice. He said it in the interview. He navigating this tricky balancing act on a high wire in a very visible public platform. OUT you are not helping.

  • http://www.dallascowboys.com GeminiDolly

    I feel so bad for Adam. He got USED like a bitch.

  • Squirrely

    I just saw the back cover of the CD – OUT is full of shit.

  • LoveContinuum

    It’s all about the money, it’s all about the dum-dum-…er can’t remember the lyrics…-dum-dum…

    The letter is very emotional, so it would seem that there is ego involved. But I’m sure there’s a wee bit of $$-interest too. Adam sells. If you can have him on the cover AND diss him too… bonus.

    Lennon would be very sad.

  • dsp

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    Regardless of what this says about Out Magazine, it certainly speaks volumes about the fact that there’s clearly a disconnect between Adam, his label, and his management. What the hell is going on in that war room

    The EVIDENCE does not point to that…I see NO disconnect…only an editor that wants his own agenda

  • alaadam

    Since the AI concert, I met a gay couple. We have become great friends. I absolutely luv them to death. One is a cop. His partner is a banker and brags about his partner’s job as a cop. The cop cringes when the banker tells peeps his partner is a gay cop. Why? Because of shit like this. They can’t live their lives in peace. They have to be a poster boy or live in the closet. It is one extreme or the other. I am sooooooooo mad right now. I just called my friends to tell them NOT to buy the OUT mag with Adam on the cover and why. They were enraged too.

  • ggdoorsfan

    Word. Obviously something is not clicking behind the scenes. I don’t think they’ve decided yet which Adam they want to market. Regardless of what this says about Out Magazine, it certainly speaks volumes about the fact that there’s clearly a disconnect between Adam, his label, and his management. What the hell is going on in that war room?

    once again ladymadonna, thanks for better articulating the thoughts in my own head… the popcorn industry is going to come out ahead on this one – gonna be lots of folks on the sidelines munching as they watch the festivities… this beats anything i ever saw, hahah…

  • Kanadie Bonttell

    So what was the guy’s purpose in writing this letter?

    Seems to me on the surface it was done out of Spite!

  • lizziegs

    talk about being stabbed in the back – poor Adam. However, I think he is a very tough dude and he has battled worse betrayal and hatred than this before. He will be fine.

    And just wow to some people thinking this is funny. I guess to some prejudice always will be something to laugh at.

  • dsp

    The letter is very emotional, so it would seem that there is ego involved. But I’m sure there’s a wee bit of $$-interest too. Adam sells

    I think the editor’s mention about the Details mag coverage is a bit revealing…..Details probably sold more mags…..

  • Squirrely

    um I’m liking the Michelin Man picture on the CD – it looks cool.

  • mmb

    I am really appalled at the editor of OUT…perhaps the letter could have waited to be published in a different issue….was in really necssary to publish it now? and FWIW, aolradio is streaming WWFM and calling it Adam’s second single…never a dull moment

  • spinastory

    Whatever!!! Today is Nov 16th so that means….. Next Monday the album is mine….muhaaaa

  • Truthiness

    From the Out Editor’s column, about Adam:

    You’re a pioneer, an out gay pop idol at the start of his career. Someone has to be first, and we’re all counting on you not to mess this up.

    That’s quite a statement.

    And it’s quite telling, but not at all surprising to me, that while Adam has to ‘not mess this up,’ they aren’t helping him while doing so. They ‘voted for the other guy.’ They’re blaming Adam for things they say his management is doing, all while acknolwedging that what HE is saying, is great. But still, it’s not good ENOUGH.

    Oh and add to all of this, parts of the gay community were already criticizing Adam’s cover for being too gay and too camp.

    The letter and this article won’t do anything, but set up Adam at further odds with the gay community, certainly it won’t matter to Adam’s straight fans. So what do these things do for the person they’re so worried about messing up? Well here’s a thought guys, forget about his messing up when you’re creating that already.

  • Studio57

    just saw the back cover of the CD ‘“ OUT is full of shit.

    Where?

  • Jae

    What gets me about this is that I have not seen a lot of love and support from the Gay community for Adam. Some of the comments from the community were more vicious then what I read on some general blogs. So personally I don’t feel that Adam owes anything to Out magazine or the gay community at large. He did all this on his own and with the help of a lot straight women and men. Adam has always stated that he is not a crusader. He is a singer yand a damn talented one. Focusing on the gay thing will kill his career. The only thing that needs to be front and center is his talent. His sexuality should be an aside just like his race or ethnicity should be. And that is how he can best help the gay community. By being an awesome performer and great person who oh btw likes slender waifish young men. I wasn’t planning on buying Out anyway. 19 has been really supportive of Adam and they have invested a lot of money on him. I don’t blame them for protecting that investment.

  • Jae

    What gets me about this is that I have not seen a lot of love and support from the Gay community for Adam. Some of the comments from the community were more vicious then what I read on some general blogs. So personally I don’t feel that Adam owes anything to Out magazine or the gay community at large. He did all this on his own and with the help of a lot straight women and men. Adam has always stated that he is not a crusader. He is a singer yand a damn talented one. Focusing on the gay thing will kill his career. The only thing that needs to be front and center is his talent. His sexuality should be an aside just like his race or ethnicity should be. And that is how he can best help the gay community. By being an awesome performer and great person who oh btw likes slender waifish young men. I wasn’t planning on buying Out anyway. 19 has been really supportive of Adam and they have invested a lot of money on him. I don’t blame them for protecting that investment.

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    koshka
    11/16/2009 at 7:26 pm
    Luv there is a digital booklet in the itunes ‘album’

    awesome

    I don’t like this anymore than the rest of y’all but how was Adam “used”?

  • unique28v

    You’re a pioneer, an out gay pop idol at the start of his career. Someone has to be first, and we’re all counting on you not to mess this up.

    wow…. strong words there. Its not Adam’s job to advance the gay rights movement.

  • BeckyMD

    I like this:

    http://twitpic.com/pt698

    lyndsey parker got her Adam album. Looking forward to her full album review.

  • maturin

    Out Magazine:

    Sure, his managers are dicks. Probably. Cause everybody is in Entourage!

    But are you really gonna claim that the problem with Adam Lambert’s image is NOT GAY ENOUGH? What does he have to do, ride a unicorn? Kiss a dude on the back of a unicorn?

    Something is wrong in the Emerald City when the artist who has gifted us with the gayest album cover of all time is being challenged on his queer credibility!

    You really blew it, Out Magazine editor. Now 19E will never ever deal with you again, until the next time they have someone they think will make a billion dollars & is sameosexual.

  • Jae

    Sorry double post. And no edit popping up. :(

  • sanduskyday

    Although I don’t appreciate some of the content in the interview, I surely don’t appreciate this editor’s letter. What is he talking about? It sounds like he would have liked Adam to look “more gay”. I would ask Mr. Editor to define gay: Is it Alfred Hitchcock gay? Is it Esera Tuaolo (former nfl player) gay? Is it Neil Patrick Harris gay? Is it Boy George gay? There is no one “type” of gay. Mr. Editor is playing stereotypes, the very thing we as a society need to break down.

  • Starr

    I don’t really see what the OUT editor could benefit from writing this letter. It’s one thing to write it and send it to Adam to express his feelings about the way the shoot went, but to have it published and for everyone to see, and mentioning Details, at that? Maybe they were one of those folks who weren’t terribly happy that Adam posed with a woman for Details.

  • http://littleglitterlittleglam.blogspot.com TheSpindleshay

    Back cover of FYE is HERE.

  • Kate8

    It’s sad that Adam has to deal with so much crap about his personnal
    life when all he wants to do is sing and entertain us. I don’t think for a second any of the other AI contestants would enjoy the attention that Adam is getting. I think when he said on AI that five years ago he would have been crushed under the pressure, this is what he is referring too. I can’t wait till it is not a big deal to be gay in USA and gay people have equal rights.

  • lorismile

    Wow, just WOW! I read the interview and thought it was really wonderful, very thoughtful, and then I read this letter and for the first time, I am questioning Adam’s chances of success. It’s like he has a giant bulls-eye on his chest and all because he is extremely talented and charismatic. He doesn’t preach to the choir, ala Rosie O’Donnell, he just is who he is. That is so wonderfully refreshing. A celebrity not trying to push any cause on me…just asking me to enjoy their talent.

    I was ready to plunk down my hard earned cash for the mag, but I don’t think so. I think I will read the article online but that is about it. NPH plays one of the biggest womanizers on TV, yet they don’t have him posing with naked men. Why does Adam have to?? That letter really just pisses me the fuck off.

    Do they really think Adam will EVER be on their cover again?? They should have made the letter out to his MGMT team, not to him.

  • NewFan

    I’m having a hard time following this thread. Did the editor quote Adam saying something bad about his management? That would be an abuse of trust, but if the editor just said things that he wanted to say, how does Adam get into it at all? Are we raging against the editor or 19 or current management … for censoring Adam and limiting or dictating his opportunities? I’ll try again to get to the letter but it isn’t coming up for me … error on the page…

  • HermeticallySealed

    Im sorry, but this approach is wrong. You cant start making generalizations on another group. Especially when you aren’t familiar with the gay community (as you clearly stated). They aren’t their own worst enemy’ ¦.ignorance is. And based on history, it tends to come from us, the heterosexual community.

    While it is true that ignorance is a big problem for us, as a member of the gay community I can assure you that, yes, we are our own worst enemy. I can’t tell you how many times I have witnessed the backbiting and complete and utter destruction of fellow gays that goes on in the community.

    Really, all you have to do is read the letters to the editors in any gay magazine, or the comments on blog sites, such as; 365gay.com, Towleroad, or Ameriblog. Trust me, it’s not pretty.

  • gangreen29

    Emailing the editor of Out with angry rants will do no one any good. If people just ignored the letter the controversy would die very quickly. Antagonizing the editor of one of the largest gay publications so he writes even more nasty things about Adam is not a very smart thing to do. That is a recipe for disaster because this whole thing would snow ball into a big mess. It is amazing how quickly good press can turn to bad press.

  • Squirrely

    Starr
    11/16/2009 at 7:38 pm

    I don’t really see what the OUT editor could benefit from writing this letter. It’s one thing to write it and send it to Adam to express his feelings about the way the shoot went, but to have it published and for everyone to see, and mentioning Details, at that? Maybe they were one of those folks who weren’t terribly happy that Adam posed with a woman for Details.

    And to do it months after the shoot took place. Didn’t Adam do this in August?

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    I never thought I would say this,but I FLOVE the Michelin man pic

    ok g2g …

  • Valentin432

    Back cover of FYE is HERE.

    This looks awesome lol, kind of reminds me of Darth Vador.

  • Squirrely

    Emailing the editor of Out with angry rants will do no one any good. If people just ignored the letter the controversy would die very quickly. Antagonizing the editor of one of the largest gay publications so he writes even more nasty things about Adam is not a very smart thing to do. That is a recipe for disaster because this whole thing would snow ball into a big mess. It is amazing how quickly good press can turn to bad press.

    I agree, but you know people are going to do it anyway

  • BeckyMD

    You’re a pioneer, an out gay pop idol at the start of his career. Someone has to be first, and we’re all counting on you not to mess this up.

    We’re all counting on you and will benefit from your success, but don’t count on us for any help. Classy.

  • Squirrely

    Maybe Adam will address this on Ellen next week?

  • Squirrely

    You’re a pioneer, an out gay pop idol at the start of his career. Someone has to be first, and we’re all counting on you not to mess this up.

    We’re all counting on you and will benefit from your success, but don’t count on us for any help. Classy.

    Exactly!

  • Truthiness

    Sure, his managers are dicks. Probably. Cause everybody is in Entourage!

    But are you really gonna claim that the problem with Adam Lambert’s image is NOT GAY ENOUGH? What does he have to do, ride a unicorn? Kiss a dude on the back of a unicorn?

    Something is wrong in the Emerald City when the artist who has gifted us with the gayest album cover of all time is being challenged on his queer credibility!

    You really blew it, Out Magazine editor. Now 19E will never ever deal with you again, until the next time they have someone they think will make a billion dollars & is sameosexual.

    Serious-freaking-ly. Guess Adam needs to tattoo the Rainbow Flag on his forehead and ish them too, so that he’s “gay,” enough.

    The guy on his album has a song with a guy pronoun. His Master Plan talks about “don’t ask (don’t tell)” and that they are part of a new generation and empowerment and stuff, and yet Not. Gay. Enough.

    Dear Editors of OUT, simma down . Michael ‘I voted for the straight guy before all this, so my solidarity rainbow flag pole needs to shoved up my ass’ Modesto, shut up.

  • 4Msrmyn

    Whether Adam knew about the restraints put on the magazine, OUT did and decided to go along. If Adam did know, how can they fault him for, also, going along with it? I’m another one who hasn’t noticed a lot of acceptance by the male gay community.
    During the summer concerts, I heard about more gay fans for Kris Allen, than Adam. Maybe they should put Kris Allen on the cover!

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ anthrogeek

    We’re curious whether you know that we made cover offers for you before American Idol was even halfway through its run. Apparently, Out was too gay, even for you.

    For me, these are the key words right here. Any offers they may have made during the season would and should have been turned down no matter what magazine was making the offer. If this guy’s held a grudge since then and finally gets a chance to get it off his chest at Adam’s expense, then so be it. Hope he feels better now.

    This too shall pass, and is ultimately much ado about nothing. Now bring on the AMAs!! Uh,,,is IS all about the music… isn’t it?? That IS why we’re here, right?

  • jms

    That letter totally pissed me off. Adam has a contract. As part of that contract it’s a good assumption he has no control over the use of his own image. He also has a freaking tightrope to walk career wise. And this guy just did his best to not just blow up that tightrope but blamed Adam for not being rock star enough to give his own management the finger and blow it up himself. All this in spite of the fact that Adam gave them a wonderfully candid interview.

    I had intended to buy. No longer. Consider this a boycott of one. I suspect there’ll be more and your big money making Adam Lambert issue will have a boat load of remainders.

  • unique28v

    I just read the letter. From the sound of it, it doesn’t seem as if OUT wants to have Adam or anyone from 19 pose for them ever again. I guarantee they wouldn’t get Kris Allen on the cover either……

  • revcat

    Adam never signed on to be the gay messiah. Hicklin is an a**. Out magazine should be ashamed of itself for exploiting Adam, playing nice and then turning on him in the same issue. I find their actions much more despicable than anything Adam’s managers might have done. At least they were trying to protect Adam even if it was for monetary reasons whereas Out used him and then threw him under the bus.

  • Squirrely

    For me, these are the key word right here. Any offers they may have made during the season would and should have been turned down no matter what magazine was making the offer. If this guy’s held a grudge since then and finally gets a chance to get it off his chest at Adam’s expense, then so be it. Hope he feels better now.

    This too shall pass, and is ultimately much ado about nothing. Now bring on the AMAs!! Uh,,,is IS all about the music’ ¦ isn’t it?? That IS why we’re here, right?

    Maybe they wanted the RS scoop and this guy has ass burn from not getting it.

  • Janus

    NewFan
    11/16/2009 at 7:39 pm
    I’m having a hard time following this thread. Did the editor quote Adam saying something bad about his management? That would be an abuse of trust, but if the editor just said things that he wanted to say, how does Adam get into it at all? Are we raging against the editor or 19 or current management ‘ ¦ for censoring Adam and limiting or dictating his opportunities? I’ll try again to get to the letter but it isn’t coming up for me ‘ ¦ error on the page’ ¦

    Try this link:

    http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e12/4111109.0.pdf

    But no, Adam did not criticize his management, the Out editor did.

  • unique28v

    Do you think RCA will respond?

  • lizziegs

    make it a boycott of two – not that they care I suppose.

  • Studio57

    Hee-hee- I love Michelin Man! Is it a cartoon Adam? I can’t tell from the pic.

    Out dude- Adam is a totally gay Alien From Planet Fierce on the back of his album cover and a pretty girl on the front……

    YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    anthrogeek
    11/16/2009 at 7:49 pm
    We’re curious whether you know that we made cover off ers for you before American Idol was even halfway through its run. Apparently, Out was too gay, even for you.

    For me, these are the key word right here. Any offers they may have made during the season would and should have been turned down no matter what magazine was making the offer. If this guy’s held a grudge since then and finally gets a chance to get it off his chest at Adam’s expense, then so be it. Hope he feels better now.

    This is exactly how I see it. This editor holds a grudge. Not pretty. And like others, I have changed my mind about buying the magazine. He’s basically allowed his pettiness to cost his magazine thousands of dollars in sales.

    This too shall pass, and is ultimately much ado about nothing. Now bring on the AMAs!! Uh,,,is IS all about the music’ ¦ isn’t it?? That IS why we’re here, right?

    Right. Thanks for the reminder. I am looking forward to the music.

    BTW, did you see the back album cover? :)

  • Kanadie Bonttell

    Twitter from the girl that wrote the OUT article on Adam.

    @shananaomi the ed letter is accurate & i think adam speaks for himself. do you have any idea how hard it is to make him LESS GAY? suggestions welcome.

    http://twitter.com/ShanaNaomi

  • sallysimmons

    I get where this guy is coming from. Like lots of people here probably, I have a lot of gay friends and “celebrity gays who claim to be half-straight” are kind of a lightning rod for them.

    Adam has done nothing wrong, so everyone flying to his defense should take a deep breath. But RCA? Color me unsurprised that they are manipulating this situation.

    They know Adam’s AI fan base is 90% women. And they know that at least some of those women want to keep open the fantasy possibility that Adam might be into them. So they have Adam hedge his gayness. They convince him that the photo shoot with the naked chick is a good idea. They get him to play up the ‘I like looking at girls’ angle. I’d bet any money that he’s writhing with at least one woman in his upcoming video (and keeping a safe distance from the men!) They want him to seem bisexual when he’s obviously completely and utterly gay.

    The sad thing is that, once again, RCA has miscalculated. Adam will never appeal to the audience they are targeting. Had they gone for “openly and unabashedly gay” I really think he could have been huge.

    But you never become huge by playing both sides against the middle. Not in any walk of life. This isn’t the first time that RCA has miscalculated the appeal of an idol runner-up. No doubt it won’t be the last.

  • melirose89

    Well they asked Adam about his management not wanting him to be “too gay” in the interview and Adam’s response is right there for all to see.

    I think Out just sorta destroyed themselves with this letter in the Village Voice tho. Why couldnt they just let the interview speak for itself?

    Now I have a terrible feeling the tabloids are gonna run with this and make it seem as tho Adam HIMSELF is the one trying to hide his gayness when he’s been nothing but open.

    I’m disappointed Out had to destroy something that could have been so positive.

  • oceana

    OUT is known for being demanding and controversal, they seem to thrive on it. They aren’t the only gay demographic, just one of many. They are always clamoring to out people who don’t want to be outed, and to me they sometimes seem intractible. I’ve always thought of them along those lines anyway, pretty radical and not necessarily representing many mainstream gays.

    For one example, an OUT reporter showed up at a press conference when Clay Aiken had been off the show about one day, and asked him if he was gay. Clay ignored him and went on to someone else. It was a rude question, I thought. Obviously Clay was not out, not about to come out, and he was very new to fame and being interviewed. There was no need to publicly embarrass him. But that is why they are called OUT, it is their way or the highway, and anyone who doesn’t want to come out on their timetable is on their sh*t list.

    I don’t think Adam needs to worry about OUT. They are pretty “out there” and this is nothing. I do understand that 19 has a “product” to sell, much as I hate that kind of consumerism language, and probably they are wrong too (I hated the Details layout) but otoh I wouldn’t waste any time worrying about OUT. This is no big deal for Adam.

  • zuper

    That is it. I’m officially done reading anything about Adam. I can’t take it anymore. I just want to hear good music.

    He is an amazingly strong person to handle all this crap. Celeberties are scrutinized for sure but Adam has had to endure way more than his fair share. I would have crawled in a hole by now. He has to have a breaking point and something tells me its getting close.

    Mr Editor –

    “When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself.”
    — Wayne Dyer

    BRING ON THE MUSIC.

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    woah is Edward bellamy related to Matt bellamy? sorry I’m taking history notes t the same time.

    bck on topic-
    no,I think RCA will wait for this to blow over

    or have bigger news

    like the back of an album cover…

  • evanjane

    It could be as was probably said in a post or two before me that Adam is not “owning” his gayness enough to please Hecklin. When he poses with a woman, talks about finding the idea of oral sex with a woman intriguing, it might not be taken in a positive light. Adam said he doesn’t want to be defined by his sexuality, therefore the Details’ photo shoot and his mentioning of an attraction to women, keeps people guessing a little.

    I think Adam would be better off with other management. I thought for sure if given the out, he’d have signed with those that work for Lady Gaga or Katy Perry. I’m sure Adam knows several in the biz that he would have wanted to work for him. Is Fuller definitely managing Adam?

  • lizziegs

    I wonder whether anyone in the gay community will speak out to support Adam. Ellen? Wanda Sykes? Anyone? Hello.???

  • gangreen29

    Do you think RCA will respond?

    Yes. This is not SmellyGate or FuckGate. This is very serious that Adam and management were called out so explicitly in a national publication. Despite what some may think Adam does have a large gay following, and with his record coming out in one week alienating any part of the fan base is not a good idea.

  • Squirrely

    http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e12/4111109.0.pdf

    But no, Adam did not criticize his management, the Out editor did.

    Damn he’s hot! Starting rumors: He made a pass at Adam and Adam said – no baby I like twinks ;)

  • LoveContinuum

    I’m hoping that Out saw how EW and RS sold out, and printed a shit ton of mags for the anticipated demand.

    Boycott of 3.

  • zuper

    Adam never signed on to be the gay messiah. Hecklin is an a**. Out magazine should be ashamed of itself for exploiting Adam, playing nice and then turning on him in the same issue. I find their actions much more despicable than anything Adam’s managers might have done.

    YES! YES! and YES! Revcat

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    Twitter from the girl that wrote the OUT article on Adam.

    @shananaomi the ed letter is accurate & i think adam speaks for himself. do you have any idea how hard it is to make him LESS GAY? suggestions welcome.

    huh?

    maybe I’m just dumb?

    btw,off-topic,but I haven’t seen sunn in a while,….

    or mrs.b since the summer or Adamland

  • lucy

    Well, I hope this doesn’t affect Adam negatively. But, actually, I’m kind of happy they called out 19/RCA on this. If they’re going to support somebody being out and launching as an entertainer, then it’s time for them to support having that person as a gay cover guy. Otherwise, you’ve still got a double standard — “letting” someone be gay but insisting that the pr be handled in such a way that he doesn’t look as gay as all that.

    Crappy that Adam’s own fluid-sexuality comments may make some people — way wrongly, I think — believe that this is partly *his* issue. But I’m not surprised — though disappointed — that 19/RCA really *can’t* handle his being a fully out and open gay man, although, because they like his talent and charisma, they’re pretending that they can.

  • sylverine

    “Somehow Details was granted a crack at him first, presenting the singer caressing a barely clad woman and talking about kissing girls”

    Sour grapes much? Is this all really just about the bitchy editor Aaron Hicklin being furious that Details got in there first? And damn if the gay community isn’t the most critical of Adam.

    Is there such a thing as ‘heterophobic’? This editor guy dismisses the gorgeous female model as a ” six foot Barbie”. Wow.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ VAlilac

    Possibly this letter is about the publishing business?

    Out and Details have overlapping markets in the gay community. Details got a best selling Adam-alone cover and article published before the Out 100 issue – stealing Out’s thunder. Bashing Adam and 19E here may really be about devaluing the competition’s cover and article and repositioning Out as the “true” magazine for the gay community. Unfortunately for the editor, it is a strategy that may backfire based on comments published in response to the letter.

  • dsp

    I think Adam would be better off with other management.

    Why?????because an editor is upset and following his own agenda….even in the interview Adam talked about appealing to all types…Selling music is a business deal and that’s what his management is looking out for.

  • oceana

    He has to have a breaking point and something tells me its getting close.

    Nah I don’t think he’s that fragile. Adam’s been around, he lives in LA, he knows the scene. He’ll be fine.

  • Crayonas

    This is actually pretty childish. It’s obvious the editor is just trying to start something to get the name of the mag out there. Every management of every celebrity makes these demands. Bitching about it after getting their interview is terrible journalism (if you can call that magazine that). Adam already had a lot of haters in the gay community because he’s too gay/not gay enough. How stupid, he isn’t the gay messiah.

    And yeah, his management was also pretty stupid. It’s impossible to please everybody, they should know better.

  • abbysee

    I don’t even know where to begin. I am angry. I am not angry with 19 however. They gave Adam more opportunities to be himself than I ever imagined if he is telling the truth in the OUT interview. I have no reason not to believe him. Reading the letter from the editor, I think either like some said above, he didn’t read said interview. He certainly hasn’t followed Adam enough to even imply some big idea to UNGAY himself. Michael Musto is such a prick to include Kris Allen in his little assinine diatribe. I am also upset that some asses took the opportunity to start talking about FYE’s numbers in an article that has nothing to do with that. ASSES!

    I am not the biggest fangirl. I think there are many fabulous folk to have come from idol. So it’s not all about Adam world domination and all of that silly shit. I just feel sad that I think Adam will have the hardest hurdle to jump because he’s not straight, or gay enough. It must suck having to navigate this shit.

    I think I have posted in the comments section on some magazine once all year, and I am not even sure it was about Adam, lol. Today is the exception. Oh, I am also pretty proud that for the most part Adam’s defenders have been gracious in that comment section. EDITED Cause it just ain’t worth the ink.

  • BeckyMD

    More importantly, why Canada has FYE album on shelf already?

  • revcat

    I’m having a hard time following this thread. Did the editor quote Adam saying something bad about his management? That would be an abuse of trust, but if the editor just said things that he wanted to say, how does Adam get into it at all? Are we raging against the editor or 19 or current management ‘ ¦ for censoring Adam and limiting or dictating his opportunities? I’ll try again to get to the letter but it isn’t coming up for me ‘ ¦ error on the page’ ¦

    Adam didn’t critcize his managment, the editor of Out did. It won’t make any sense unless you can read the letter, good luck.

  • adamaniac85

    I am not sure I understand why the editor seems frustrated w/ Adam. What I take from it is that he wanted only Adam on the cover but RCA said NO, so now he is mad at Adam for not going against his management. And he feels maybe Adam is not embracing being gay because he was w/ a woman in the Details mag. Hmm what does this man want Adam to do, tell his management go shove it just as his dream is coming true all so he can be on the cover of their mag. Now I am all for another mag cover for Adam, maybe People will get it togeather and put him on the cover of theirs.

  • tiger92

    Something is wrong in the Emerald City when the artist who has gifted us with the gayest album cover of all time is being challenged on his queer credibility!

    Seriously! So the editor is saying that RCA told them not to make him look “too gay”, yet RCA approved the FYE album cover! Something doesn’t add up here!

    The editor just screwed this magazine out of sales from people who wouldn’t normally buy their publication.

    And why would 19 agree to let “Out” have a cover in the middle of the AI season? Could the idols even do covers and articles before the season was over? Plus, it really wasn’t their call.

    Adam has said repeatedly he wanted the contest to be about his singing. Why shouldn’t it have been? Why couldn’t Adam be given the right to be judged on what he did on the show-just like all the other contestants?

    I don’t know if RCA will respond. But I bet you Adam will! And I won’t care if he uses the f word 50 times in his response or calls this guy a dick!

  • Jae

    The sad thing is that, once again, RCA has miscalculated. Adam will never appeal to the audience they are targeting. Had they gone for ‘openly and unabashedly gay’  I really think he could have been huge.

    I disagree with this. A LOT of women totally find Adam hot. And we totally know he is gay, “bi-curious” aside. Hetero community is good at compartmentalization. If Adam played up the gay thing ( and I am with you guys who ask, and what might that be???) He wouldn’t make it. 19 has it right. It’s not like losing the “support” of the gay community (other than the closeted entertainment industry gay community) would hurt him all that much. Losing the support of the non Gay community is another thing. Adam needs to just do his thing, the way he has been doing it. He has always played around with women. Plenty of pictures around with him with women pre Idol.

  • hypertwink

    Another day, another scandal, another chance for overexposure.

  • evanjane

    “Why?????because an editor is upset and following his own agenda’ ¦.even in the interview Adam talked about appealing to all types’ ¦Selling music is a business deal and that’s what his management is looking out for.” — dsp

    Oh, so you’re pro 19R/E? I thought they were the heavies in this whole debacle. Maybe this whole thing is to generate controversy for OUT as well as Adam. Bringing out the Adam supporters and getting the publicity both Adam and OUT magazine need/want. I betcha, though, Adam would love to be working with people that get him creatively.

  • LoveContinuum

    One question that comes to mind…

    Is Out an exclusively gay publication? Do they frown on bisexuality?

    Because if Adam says he’s bicurious… and was photographed with a woman (grrr 6-foot Barbie reference, way to put women down, dufus)… and says he thinks women are pretty… then I assume he falls somewhere between gay and bisexual, i.e. he likes men and *might* like women too. (Definition of bicurious, duh.)

    So why would a gay magazine have a problem with that? Do they see everything as either gay or straight, with nothing in between?

  • girlygirl

    If Adam’s management/label actually did what the editor of Out is claiming, that’s not cool…not cool at all.

  • Studio57

    hypertwink- the general public doesn’t even hear about half these things, so it’s really not that big of a deal, and there is no risk yet for overexposure.

    More importantly, why Canada has FYE album on shelf already?

    Seriously? It’s only four hours away, hmmmmm………….j/k

  • Mark

    Ugh. Now isn’t this ugly? A lot has already been said, and I agree with the gist of what’s been said. I guess what bothers me the most, admittedly, is coming from the perspective as an advocate myself. Yes, there may have been frustrations with the cover. But Adam gave them everything they should have freaking wanted. Seriously strong interview there, full of detail and very open, not to mention politically speaking pretty damn effectual, which he wasn’t obligated to be at all. So why address some letter to him, in the most condescending tone humanely possible, while in the same breath putting him up on some pedestal, when the real complaint is with 19E? So petty.

    (Minor edits, because it’s me)

  • Squirrely

    The guy could have spoken with Adam man to man why go public MONTHS later, right before his CD is to be released AND publicly announce you didn’t even vote for him.

  • NewFan

    Sorry Luv …no connection between Edward and Matt …

    I still can’t access the letter. Oh well, thank you for the link Janus.

    So. Here we have some more kerfluffle that we all need to ignore in order to enjoy the new music that’s about to drop into our hands. Hopefully, we and, especially, Adam can just keep our eyes on the prize.

    I love the back cover of the CD almost as much as I love the front cover. It’s beautiful.

    But what’s this about FYE being on shelves in Canada … already …. where?

  • Truthiness

    And why would 19 agree to let ‘Out’  have a cover in the middle of the AI season? Could the idols even do covers and articles before the season was over?

    No, they couldn’t, as per the article in the magazine he is an editor for, the guy this editor is complaing about and for an issue he’s complaining about, said they couldn’t do press during the season.

  • star

    Whether the editor’s claims are true or not, his letter is extremely condescending, patronizing, and generally toolish.

  • tiger92

    I just read the entire Out editor letter, and I have to say that 19’s behavior does NOT surprise me. They’ve got a product they’re trying to sell en masse, and are afraid of offending potential customers. Not to say I think it’s right’“I find any sort of attempt to stuff Adam back into the closet unsavory and depressing.

    How is 19 “stuffing Adam back into the closet”? Look at the album cover! If they are trying “not to offend potential costumers”,(who? homophobic ones?) why let Adam even be in the magazine, or give a four-part interview?
    I sometimes can’t believe all the freedom Adam has been given! I don’t believe 19 or RCA are the bad guys here!

  • midwifespal

    This frustrates me in so many ways, which is why this will be an obnoxiously long post: sorry. First of all, it is hard to imagine someone being more straightforward about their sexuality than Adam Lambert is in the first half of that interview posted online, and in other interviews he has given. And part of what is so impressively honest about what he says is that he refuses to give the expected answer: simply that he is out and proud. He gives a more nuanced, and far more controversial, answer about how hard it is to fit into societal roles as a gay man–and how he doesn’t want his sexuality to define him, despite the fact that he in know way edits the way that sexuality comes out as part of his persona. He is happily flamboyant, or camp, or all sorts of adjectives that have become attached to gayness, whilst still resisting the stereotypes those adjectives suggest. This is an impressively delicate trick to pull off, and that he does so so naturally attests to his great honesty.

    Second of all, assuming for a moment that the editor of Out’s accusations are true, I certainly feel upset with Adam’s management for a moment. Any approach that uses language like “not too gay” is not just distasteful, but offensive, not to mention a hopeless cause with someone as out there and true to himself as Adam is: Adam will be as gay as he wants, thank you very much. His focused stare and pushed back shoulders on the Out cover almost say as much. However, lets look at the managements acts in the most generous possible light. Gay or not, and happily out as he is, Adam does NOT want to be known as the Gay Idol (in other words, have that be the first thing anyone associates with him), and while part of this, undoubtably, is about sales, mostly its just about not boxing himself in, and making it about the music first and foremost. Obviously, his sexuality is a big part of his art, but that’s different from saying his gayness is: sexy is sexy, simple as that. And, as many have noted, one look at his album cover, his lyrics, shows us that 19 must be perfectly happy to have Adam explore that element of his art to his hearts content. That album cover is the gayest freakin’ think I have ever seen, I and love it.

    Finally, it frustrates me that the editor of Out seems to have, like a lot of people, totally missed the point of what was so great about the Details shoot. I can understand that–I can understand that it bothered some people, and that it felt like a compromise, but I really don’t think that’s what it was. What I feel about that shoot is that it is truly groundbreaking, and openly, at times flamboyantly gay star being marketed as a heterosexual sex symbol to America. We’ve come a fricken long way, folks. Adam doesn’t have to dim down his gayness to be sexy to america’s women: he just has to snog a woman, with his gay flashing all over the place. Again, I love it. I’m disappointed that someone who is clearly as invested in gay equality as the editor of OUt magazine is, doesn’t see what a tremendous step forward this represents. Adam, as his sensitive thoughts in the Out interview make clear, totally understands this.

    Okay, enough hopeless ranting. Sorry for the excessive length. Really.

  • luval

    I am so angry. And Squirrely I agree with you and the man to man talk they could have had. Hey Hicklin….leave Adam alone! It’s about the music. I am sick and tired of this type of journalism. I buy everything with Adam in it and now I will NOT buy this rag.

    Wish I could express myself better. And this too shall pass.

  • sealily1c

    Aaron Hicklin looks like a complete ass! Gracious and candid interview and photo –knowing full well that this issue will sell very well with Adam on the cover–and then he turns around and attacks the very subject uprovoked?It defies explanation!!!!!!!

    And as for the “we are counting on you not to mess this up?” Who the fuck does he think he is, some Omnipotent Leader of gay people, that every gay entertainer has to check in with??

    Also, not willing to condemn 19E at all. I cannot take Hicklin’s word for anything.

    Quite annoyed, but will let it go. It isn’t worth it.

    Shrugging, and saying: whatever!

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    Sorry Luv ‘ ¦no connection between Edward and Matt ‘ ¦

    :(

  • spinastory

    But what’s this about FYE being on shelves in Canada ‘ ¦ already ‘ ¦. where?

    Yeah where!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ Susan M.

    Something is wrong in the Emerald City when the artist who has gifted us with the gayest album cover of all time is being challenged on his queer credibility!

    Seriously! So the editor is saying that RCA told them not to make him look ‘too gay’ , yet RCA approved the FYE album cover! Something doesn’t add up here!

    The editor just screwed this magazine out of sales from people who wouldn’t normally buy their publication.

    And why would 19 agree to let ‘Out’  have a cover in the middle of the AI season? Could the idols even do covers and articles before the season was over? Plus, it really wasn’t their call.

    THIS^^^

    Way to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, Out. WTH? You publish a fantastic, well-written, well-conducted, in-depth interview with a multi-dimensional subject that actually had some profound things to say on the matter. And you respond with a whining “they didn’t gimme my way!” diatribe?

    Grow the hell up. And excuse me, are you NEW to media? A celebrity’s handlers want to cast him or her in a certain light? Isn’t that a given? And it’s the publication’s job to negotiate with said management to come up with an angle to bring something new to the table that benefits all involved.

    Which, by the quality of the end product, is exactly what happened.

    Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

  • TwigLA

    Well, I have to thank him for his letter being in VIllage Voice because that caused me to go read the article.

    First off, I couldn’t figure out how I missed the memo that Cyndi Lauper is gay since she’s in the group Out-ing photo. She’s not, but she is a champion of human rights. Oh, and her sister is a lesbian. But now I know she’s the token straight and it’s all Adam Lambert’s fault. lol

    I see this letter and the Editor’s claims as nothing but self promotion for the magazine and trying to stir up a mess where there is none. I think Adam’s management was acting in due diligence to put stipulations in regards to how he’d be presented.

    I enjoyed reading the article. Maybe the Editor should have read it also.

  • JosieX

    I think this letter is complete bullshit. I think this editor knows that Adam and his management are on exactly the same page: Adam is an openly gay man, but he wants to make EVERYBODY get up and dance and enjoy his music. If he makes women feel sexy that’s fine with him, he can still do what he wants in his own bedroom. Adam has expressed his feelings on this very clearly and consistently, for months now. He doesn’t want to be the gay poster child. I guess this editor doesn’t like that, and I guess he thinks he can put Adam on the defensive about it. I think he is going to find out that he’s wrong about that.

  • IdolThoughts

    Nah I don’t think he’s that fragile. Adam’s been around, he lives in LA, he knows the scene. He’ll be fine.

    I agree. I’m sure Adam was like….oh well at least they said I gave good interview!!!

    It’s possible that 19 does these things behind Adam’s back which would definitely make sense because he can’t be involved in EVERY business decision that is made. I know several agents who have bartered on their clients behalf for this and that and their client never knew. (I’m speaking about actors but same smell different fart) Pretty common. Has 19 ever managed a gay pop artist like Adam? I am anxious to hear their response to this…and of course Adam’s.

  • Squirrely

    Doesn’t some of Adam’s song lyrics have a gay reference – *there’s my baby he’s walking funny* or something like that.

  • tinydance

    The Gay AI community in the media was not behind Adam from the beginning of the show and have been very critical of Adam’s choice not to talk about being gay 24/7. They wanted Adam to be more open about his gayness and Adam has stated in several interviews that he chose not to make that the main point of why he was on Idol. He wanted to judged like everyone else on his singing and not about him being gay. Which I admired his judgment to stick to his own personal ideals.

    I believe it is wrong for 19E to try to stuff Adam back into the closet. That Genie has been out of the bottle for a loooong time.

  • luval

    yes…as Adam would say ‘WHATEVER”……..!!

  • dhunken

    Though I appreciate Aaron Hicklin’s point of view and where he is coming from he is only interested in his own agenda. If he truly was interested in Adam and Adam’s career he would not have written this letter. Adam is more then a gay man. He is a singing artist trying to make it in the industry. I find Hicklin to be disingenuous. How much more does he want Adam or his label to give. 19/RCA has been more supportive of Adam and his sexuality then I can remember any major label being for any up and coming artist who is openly gay. Could it be more. Possibly but reality is this is a new territory that Adam and RCA are entering. Bottom line is everyone is in this to make money. Why isn’t Hicklin calling out Ellen for not having more gay guest on. Or for not having her show 100% of the time talk explicitly about gay issues and topics. How dare she have straight celebrities on who don’t 100% endorse all gay issues. Oh wait she is a celebrity trying to be a success in the entertainment business. Mr. Hicklin is like the spoiled child who gets an ice cream cone and complains that they only got two scoops instead of three. As a gay man this saddens me. There is enough problems we face we don’t need it from our own especially when we have someone on the cusp of potentially breaking down barriers that can open the doors to other in our community. Thanks Aaron for that huge step backwards.

  • FifthHouseSun

    This is insane.

    Adam is a famously, wildly self-proclaimed gay man on the cover of Out Magazine.
    There is no way to look not gay.

    Trying to make Adam not look gay on the cover of OUT FRIGGIN MAGAZINE is like putting him on the cover of Wine Spectator holding a glass of Shiraz and saying but don’t make it look like he drinks.

    I don’t believe 19 said anything like “don’t make him look too gay.” How? Put a “just kidding in Rolling Stone” sign around his neck?

    I am furious. Raging. (Right with you, adamaloha in outrage!) The only thing keeping me from staging an Out Magazine burning is I’d have buy copies of the magazine.

    Aaron Hicklin is a self-absorbed idiot. Clearly more interested in getting hits to view his glam shot editor’s pic than helping change the world. How is progress supposed to happen when alleged leaders of progress are spit roasting their young?

    I’m angry enough to roar: Master Plan is clearly a song about young gay men telling older ones what they think of their “you must be gay enough our way” rules and boxes. . And now I understand why.

    Perhaps we are missing something here in the timeline. There’s no way that Adam’s management are stifling him like that now

    thespindleshay, Hicklin could be angry he didn’t get his gay poster boy during Idol. That he didn’t get to control America’s most popular television show the way he wanted. That Adam threatens his running his political agenda, his way.

    Or he just wants to ride Adam’s popularity to spark pseudo-controversy to shine on his magazine.

    But you’re right, his back-stabbing, hobbling, low dog, cheap shot like this ain’t going to help Adam’s pioneering. With friends like these….

  • Truthiness

    What DOES surprise me, is the Out editor’s willingness to call out 19. Wow. Seriously, Out just burned that bridge. Forever. And it’s probably given pause to a a few other management types watching the kerfuffle from the sidelines’ ¦

    Seriously, burned bridge.

    And not just 19 too. If I were Adam, I’d stay far, far away from these people. His mangament he can talk to, they can work something out if he feels he isn’t allowed to be gay enough. Whatever the hell that is supposed to be, because I also find the ideas of being ‘gay enough,’ or in the right way to be bullshit.

    I hope Adam addresses this on Ellen and he can call Hicklin a dick all he wants and I’ll support him and I say this as someone who had issues with all that he said to Gene Simmons. Who clearly Hicklin hasn’t heard of how he’s ruined his career by being so out.

    Oh and also Hicklin, way to make him a the torch bearer for the gay community ‘don’t mess this up,’ when in your very magazine’s article, the guy is saying that is NOT what he wants and NOT what he is. Once again, did this guy even READ that article?

    Oh and Mr. “don’t deny my rights,” Hicklin, generally women don’t like being called Barbies. So using that to try and put down the woman, good way to make your point about the need for equality and the importance of images i.e. not too gay.

  • Squirrely
  • NewFan

    I hope Adam addresses this on Ellen and he can call Hicklin a dick all he wants and I’ll support him and I say this as someone who had issues with all that he said to Gene Simmons. Who clearly Hicklin hasn’t heard of how he’s ruined his career by being so out.

    Sorry Truthiness,

    I just really hope that he spends the whole interview (and all the others) talking about his new music … and nothing but

  • Jae

    Has 19 ever managed a gay pop artist like Adam? I am anxious to hear their response to this’ ¦and of course Adam’s.

    The best response is no response. Neither 19 or Adam should acknowledge this in any way. They have more important things to think about like getting his debut off to a hot start and getting his music played on radio.

  • 4evrmomof4

    isn’t good that FYE in Canada-won’t those sales numbers not COUNT???.. sad

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    4Msrmyn
    11/16/2009 at 8:37 pm
    I don’t know where else to put this, adam official has a twitpic of the back cover of the cd. It’s the spacesuit or Michelin Man.
    4Msrmyn

    alredy posted:)

  • flashus

    FifthHouseSun…Thank you for another amazing post. dhunken..<<>> and thank you for your post on the other thread. You guys are great.

  • luval

    hello….when is Adam going to be on Ellen?

  • HotHotHot

    FifthHouseSun
    11/16/2009 at 8:35 pm
    This is insane.

    Adam is a famously, wildly self-proclaimed gay man on the cover of Out Magazine. There is no way to look not gay.

    Trying to make Adam not look gay on the cover of OUT FRIGGIN MAGAZINE is like putting him on the cover of Wine Spectator holding a glass of Shiraz and saying but don’t make it look like he drinks.

    I don’t believe 19 said anything like ‘don’t make him look too gay.’  How? Put a ‘just kidding in Rolling Stone’  sign around his neck?

    I am furious. Raging. (Right with you, adamaloha in outrage!) The only thing keeping me from staging an Out Magazine burning is I’d have buy copies of the magazine.

    Aaron Hicklin is a self-absorbed idiot. Clearly more interested in getting hits to view his glam shot editor’s pic than helping change the world. How is progress supposed to happen when alleged leaders of progress are spit roasting their young?

    I’m angry enough to roar: Master Plan is clearly a song about young gay men telling older ones what they think of their ‘you must be gay enough our way’  rules and boxes. . And now I understand why.

    Perhaps we are missing something here in the timeline. There’s no way that Adam’s management are stifling him like that now

    thespindleshay, Hicklin could be angry he didn’t get his gay poster boy during Idol. That he didn’t get to control America’s most popular television show the way he wanted. That Adam threatens his running his political agenda, his way.

    Or he just wants to ride Adam’s popularity to spark pseudo-controversy to shine on his magazine.

    But you’re right, his back-stabbing, hobbling, low dog, cheap shot like this ain’t going to help Adam’s pioneering. With friends like these’ ¦.

    Thanks, FHS. I believe you are right. I expect that Adam put a halt to some of OUTs demands himself, because they are trying to force him into the Gay Crusader role. And I expect Mr. Editor was pissed that Adam did Details Magazine before Out and refused to be pushed around by their agenda. Another Perez Hilton wanna-be. As Adam would say, what a dick! I will not be buying Out magazine either.

  • clearone

    The best response is no response. Neither 19 or Adam should acknowledge this in any way. They have more important things to think about like getting his debut off to a hot start and getting his music played on radio.

    Exactly.

    isn’t good that FYE in Canada-won’t those sales numbers not COUNT???.. sad

    Canada is a pretty big place. It’s not cool that it’s out anywhere, but it being out in one store somewhere isn’t going to matter a whole lot.

  • 4evrmomof4

    Thank you, Lyndsey of Yahoo Music-I second that!

  • dcglam

    Nah I don’t think he’s that fragile. Adam’s been around, he lives in LA, he knows the scene. He’ll be fine.

    I totally agree here. Even Adam states that although he hasn’t had much experience with love, he certainly has had a lot of life experience. This is all part of it. He is probably not even batting an eyelash about all of this nonsense. He just wants to concentrate on the MUSIC!!!!

  • lizziegs

    this all just illustrates the extraordinary uphill climb Adam is facing to become a successful gay recording artist. It has never been done before – probably for good reason. Who could stand this pressure and scrutiny? and the level of hate thrown at him daily, in every corner of the internet, is truly shocking. I literally had no idea this country was so full of hate till I innocently started following this kind, talented young man. How does he stand it? The American Idol bargain was clearly the devil’s one. you only have to follow Idol for half a season to see the amount of people so completely and utterly invested in the failure of someone they have never met…..and in Adam’s case that was just doubled by being gay.

    so, on the good news front, Adam is an awesome and strong individual…and what doesn’t kill you clearly makes you stronger.

    Oh, and FYE up four places since this morning. not much I know but god bless anyway.

  • tiger92

    However, considering that Adam’s people “allowed” him to make an album with collaborators like Lady Gaga and a fearlessly glamtastic cover in which he is wearing more mascara than the late Tammy Faye Messner–and that no one stopped him from performing on the American Idol finale in Bob Mackie angel wings and platform boots, OR from coming out on the cover of an even more widely read publication, Rolling Stone–it seems like he has at least a few people in his camp who happily celebrate his individuality.

    ^^^THIS!!! I’m not believing that 19 and RCA haven’t been totally supportive of Adam. I call “bullshit” on this editor!

  • Truthiness

    Sorry Truthiness,

    I just really hope that he spends the whole interview (and all the others) talking about his new music ‘ ¦ and nothing but

    You’re right, that’s what he should do. But I wonder if Ellen will bring it up. Or be “allowed,” to, that is.

    I’m just seriously pissed at this guy and Modesto’s lame ass, as well.

  • deshae78

    I get where this guy is coming from. Like lots of people here probably, I have a lot of gay friends and ‘celebrity gays who claim to be half-straight’  are kind of a lightning rod for them.

    Adam never claimed to be “half-straight” nor said or implied anything even approaching that. Adam has always been honest. If the idea of sexual activity with a woman is intriguing to him…it’s just his honesty! What’s the big frakkin’ deal?? I know a lot of gay men who have experimented with women. I am a gay woman, but I have dated men (a couple who were gay!!!) & slept with a couple. But I identify as gay & always will. It is ridiculous to force ppl into a box. What do the gay men who critisize Adam want from him?? To say females are disgusting & he wouldn’t touch one with a ten-foot pole?? He is simply being honest. Adam clearly is not hiding his sexuality or pretending anything. My god.

  • spinastory

    ok so now that thats done with.. Surely there are no more interviewer’s that will want to ask questions about his sexuality any more… Right!!! Please say I am Right… LOL

  • alaadam

    What is this that peeps keep saying about FYE and Canada? I keep missing it somehow.

  • Bluelens

    FifthHouseSun & dhunken, I’m on board.

    Who but Adam has Gene Simmons and the editor of OUT both saying he’s making mistakes.

    Rolling Stone did a sexier, more captivating, timely, fashion forward, liberating cover than OUT could have…and wrote an article about him as an artist and a person. Adam was gracious in thanking RS “this means a lot to me.”

    Here’s betting his silence in response to the OUT editor will speak volumes.

  • Squirrely

    ok so now that thats done with.. Surely there are no more interviewer’s that will want to ask questions about his sexuality any more’ ¦ Right!!! Please say I am Right’ ¦ LOL

    Out has a part. On Ellen and GMA the interviews will PG 13. I wish he was Letterman’s couch. Performing is excellent too, but I would have loved an interview.

  • 4evrmomof4

    Anyone else think the back cover is like a cartoon or comic superhero alien– can’t wait to see it in person, looks cool…

  • suebrody

    Back to the music…please? Adam shoudn’t say anything and he won’t. He may talk to 19/RCA about the situation but that’s it. I’ve weighed in before, but WTF? TOO GAY? Just look at every picture on the album cover, the singles cover, apparently the pics in the CD (haven’t seen them), the video–please. Editor didn’t get what he wanted and is pissed off. And I do NOT think Ellen will bring this up; I think she”ll want to concentrate on his music, and I hope that’s what she’ll do.

    I WANT TO HEAR SOME GODDAMNED MUSIC. But I mean, WWFM just keeps resonating for me. What does he want to be? A musician. Out wants him to be their spokesman and he won’t be. They are pissed off and are throwing him under the bus. It’s too bad for the writer, but I am reading the interview online and will NOT buy the freaking magazine. No money for you, Hinklin.

    Did Lyndsey review his album yet, b/c man was she stoked when she got it and you KNOW that’s what she wanted to spend her afternoon doing: enjoying the album and writing a review, not dealing with this bullshit.

  • sidewalkstory

    I cannot get the pdf file to open. It starts to open and then stops.

  • PattyH

    I’ve been out and about running errands for the past hour and have not been able to get this editor off my mind! I think it all boils down to one thing, Sour Grapes! He’s pissed that Adam “came out” in RS instead of “Out!”

    And, dhunken, I think I love you!

  • Truthiness

    but I am reading the interview online and will NOT buy the freaking magazine. No money for you, Hinklin.

    I wouldn’t even give them the hit to their website. I’m going to ask someone to copy it and have it accessible, because one hit to their website, is one hit too many for me from now on.

  • Squirrely

    side note LR is leading the concert contest – No back to our discussion.

    Not to put more pressure on you Adam but bring it hard to the AMAs and make this jerk see what he has lost out on for future magazine articles.

  • FifthHouseSun

    Mark: But Adam gave them everything they should have freaking wanted. Seriously strong interview there, full of detail and very open, not to mention politically speaking pretty damn effectual,

    SusanM: Way to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat,

    Exactly!

    Imagine if the full page “Open Letter to Adam Lambert” had been nothing but praise. Had highlighted the thoughtful, amazing, interesting parts. Had stood shoulder to shoulder with “the new generation.”

    And said, right on, brother, we got your back! Instead of sticking his weasley, low-life stiletto in it.

    And, yes, as many here suggest, we could guess Hicklin was also dick-waving at Details, ha-hah you’re not really straight either. If he had a dick. Which he clearly doesn’t. And yes, I am so angry at someone putting his own over-groomed ego above hope for the future than I am reduced to gutter rumble language.

  • flashus

    dhunken…I don’t know what happened to the rest of my post to you but lots of hugs. I would NEVER buy this magazine now.

  • Squirrely

    And, dhunken, I think I love you!

    I loved him first, just never told him :)

    I’m with you Truthiness I’ll wait until it’s posted elsewhere. OUT lost a few sales today, I don’t even care if it’s only ten, they still lost them.

  • 4Msrmyn

    FHS-“If he had a dick. Which he clearly doesn’t.” You’re the best. I would not like to meet you in a dark alley.

  • 4evrmomof4

    Cyndy Lauper is gay, I believe. She is at lots of Gay Lesbian functions, she came out a few years ago, I believe

  • abbysee

    The sad thing is that, once again, RCA has miscalculated. Adam will never appeal to the audience they are targeting. Had they gone for ‘openly and unabashedly gay’  I really think he could have been huge.

    Srsly? First of all RCA couldn’t have negotiated anything because Adam wasn’t signed to them when OUT first made the offer to Adam, lets jut make this clear. This is about 19 right? And evidently you haven’t been watching, from what everyone was recently the gay community was more enamored with Kris, than Adam. I also think they are going for mainstream appeal. If you say Adam isn’t going to have that, then so be it. Gene was right. Should’a hid in the closet, then OUT would have no issue with him at all, right?

    Another day, another scandal, another chance for overexposure.

    OUT magazine ain’t gonna lead to overexposure. This is the idol bubble remember. Nobody knows who these guys are but us. LOL!

    Oh, BTW, Wanda Sykes has been out how long?

  • dcglam

    I must say that the only part of the letter that truly bothered me was the statement, “We’re counting on you not to mess this up.” It sounded almost like a threat to me. JMHO

  • lucy

    However, considering that Adam’s people ‘allowed’  him to make an album with collaborators like Lady Gaga and a fearlessly glamtastic cover in which he is wearing more mascara than the late Tammy Faye Messner’“and that no one stopped him from performing on the American Idol finale in Bob Mackie angel wings and platform boots, OR from coming out on the cover of an even more widely read publication, Rolling Stone’“it seems like he has at least a few people in his camp who happily celebrate his individuality.

    ^^^THIS!!! I’m not believing that 19 and RCA haven’t been totally supportive of Adam. I call ‘bullshit’  on this editor!

    You know, it’s different for them to “let” him be gay all surrounded by women who have crushes on him and mostly straight guys. Frankly, it doesn’t surprise me a bit that when the question was : “Will you let Adam be out in the context of a whole honking bunch of gay people ….i.e., can he come over here and pose with the community of which he is a part, and which some people would rather stayed behind closed doors?’ the answer then became: “Well, we’ll *kind of* let him do that. But not entirely. Because we fear the commecial consequences of having him look like a completely gay person, who is of the gay community, among gay people who are very actively, politically pushing for rights and full, no-double-standards-allowed, acceptance. He can be gay. Just don’t make him look *that* gay, please.”

    And for somebody political and devoted to getting 100 percent full, no-double-standards acceptance (as in the oft heard statement: I’m *fine* with their being gay; but I really don’t want to *see* it … and such), that request by 19/RCA is exactly the kind of thing that it’s extremely important to reveal and loudly oppose. (and I have zero doubt that they imposed the conditions he mentions– I can’t imagine that the Out editor would have the nerve to invent this stuff because, among other things, there are probably memos that went back and forth about what would and would not be acceptable — I suspect he can prove his case)

    If Adam wants not to be political, then he would have to stay away from anybody who is political, such as Out (and if anybody doubts they are political, look at the other folks on the cover) Doing that, of course, would *be* political, and he’d get a ton of crap for it (and probably wouldn’t want to do it in the first place).

    There’s a serious political struggle going on here that involves people’s lives and their very being, and while I sympathize with Adam wanting to just be all about his entertainment career, I really don’t think that’s possible, given the stage at which the gay-rights struggle finds itself currently. Like it or not, he is a pioneer and a symbol and people who feel they’re in a political struggle for their lives are going to use whatever they can to force the opposition’s hand, and that includes stuff like pointing to retrograde behavior on the part of people who work with Adam, if that’s what they’re displaying. Understandably, I’m sure Adam wants to live his life as if the struggle were over, but it isn’t, and as a public figure with a lot of symbolic value in that struggle, he’s going to be pulled into it whether he wants to be or not. This won’t be the last time.

  • Gigi3

    Cyndi Lauper is straight, but was honored as an ally of the gay/lesbian community.

  • Lynne

    This letter is OUTrageous. Okay, it is not funny at all, but at this point, nothing surprises me.

    Way to stab Adam in the back, OUT. This will be a big help to the gay political agenda and to the gay community at large.

    Adam has influenced many straight people I know to let loose of preconceived stereoypes about gay people.

    What do you get from writing a letter that will make people think that Adam is right there with his label trying to play at being bi-curious so that his music will sell and make him money? Adam’s courage, honesty and likeable demeanor is what has been making inroads with a lot of those people. Female entertainers (Madonna/Brittney) kiss women in the name of fun and sexy and are never called out on the carpet for it. Why should a gay man be different than a straight woman? You who have lived with double standards are creating yet another one. It is entertainment; it aint that deep, and not every entertainer has to be making a political or human rights statement at every step of his career.

    What I wish I could say to this editor: You say you dont want Adam to mess things up for you, but you are doing a pretty good job of messing things up for yourself. Ruining Adam’s credibity will not help the gay community. Instead, it would be good for an openly gay man to get the chance to get out there and be a public figure.

    If you were so concerned about the big picture here in helping promote tolerance and acceptance, you would stop throwing people under the bus to promote your own agendas. Be pragmatic. Change comes a step at a time, and Adam Lambert has been moving the cause of the gay community forward among many straight people, some that I know personally. Conversely; your comments and actions are a step backward. And hey, the Barbie comment? Very uncool and sexist from someone supposedly not wanting to promote sexual stereotypes.

    I want to say these things to that editor, but I won’t. Because I dont want to add fuel to a fire that is meant to destroy rather than to give warmth. I do feel angry he has put Adam in the fire. This editor needs to remember that love brings about more positive and lasting change than bitterness.

  • lorismile

    Whether Brad (Cheeks) was speaking about this episode or not, I think his tweets are very appropriate:

    Take note: On the playground of life, if u give half a sandwich to a hungry friend & they push u down & run away…

    don’t play w them anymore. I know I’m not.
    about 2 hours ago from NatsuLiphone

  • lucy

    I must say that the only part of the letter that truly bothered me was the statement, ‘We’re counting on you not to mess this up.’  It sounded almost like a threat to me. JMHO

    No. It’s the way I said nder my breath whenever I saw Madeleine Albright as Secretary of State, Please don’t mess this up! It’s not a threat. It’s what a lot of people feel when somebody from their previously excluded group gets into a position that many in the power group have believed was off limits to them: *Please* get out there and prove that you can do this — and carry us with you.

    Is that completely fair? No. But it’s a sentiment that’s there in every liberation struggle for any group — you really really really hope for the people who go first to do well and to hold fast to the rest of the group and not abandon them in their success. Not a threat. Just a very very common feeling, in my opinion.

  • adamisthemanfan

    hmm I see…well honestly everyone knows that he is gay because Adam has publicly declared it so I think they are concerned with his image and I guess want to keep it balanced (given that his album cover was, in Adam’s own words, “campy” and “ridiculous” LOL)
    Im not saying they should try to box him in and lie to the public in order to profit from every angle (they want that regardless of the artist or situation) but I think it has to do with him wanting to be mainstream and I understand their concern (*now ducking*)
    I mean Adam has said himself he does not want to be the emblem of gay civil rights he just wants to be an entertainer so I guess his management wants to ensure that is what is being portrayed…
    I dont really know all of the details but Im sure Adam isnt doing stuff he doesnt want to do…cuz he DOES want to be mainstream and he doesnt want to “alienate” potential fans because he wants to profit and to appeal on a mass scale as well…
    its all a marketing strategy and frankly I dont think its a big deal.
    This is a crucial moment in Adams career and I think the focus needs to be on his music and not his sexuality/sexual orientation.
    His management probably wants to make sure that none of this stuff steals his thunder or overshadows his debut…
    His talent needs to be at the center, especially considering that his fans dont care what his sexual orientation is because they are drawn to the performer and the human being first..not the GAY man or whatever. Thats just one part of him as he says. Just sayin

  • suebrody

    I must say that the only part of the letter that truly bothered me was the statement, ‘We’re counting on you not to mess this up.’  It sounded almost like a threat to me. JMHO

    A lot of it bothered me, but ITA. WTF does that mean? Not be GAY enough?

    I can’t deal with this anymore. I want to hear new music and see pictures and watch an interview (or three) and enjoy the AMAs (yes, squirrely, he’s gonna bring it HARD AS HELL) and get the freaking album. This is what I want. This is what Adam wants (to make music and entertain, hence the name of the album). I wonder if he is going to take a break from these kinds of interviews for a while and just focus on music. Wouldn’t be a bad idea, and in NOW WAY should RCA/19 contact Out, at least not publicly.

    I can’t find the pics of Adam…I want to enjoy some Adam this evening.

  • mitchellvii

    Well, what’s clear here is that OUT doesn’t given a damn about Adam Lambert’s career and cares only about their gay advocacy.

    I’m sure having Adam appear in a g-string sucking a man’s teet would have made OUT happy but surely would have turned off his straight fans. Like Adam says, he is just a gay man who sings, not the new MLK of the gay movement.

    OUT’s Editor is a selfish idiot.

  • jms

    Understandably, I’m sure Adam wants to live his life as if the struggle were over, but it isn’t, and as a public figure with a lot of symbolic value in that struggle, he’s going to be pulled into it whether he wants to be or not. This won’t be the last time.

    Maybe not. But I bet it’s the last interview he ever gives these yahoos.

  • ilovenpt123

    What the heck – do they want Adam’s blood next????? The guy does a stand up article, is on the cover, and they complain? They don’t realize that being gay can be a negative in some circles?????? As offensive as that may be, it’s true. So, give the guy a break. He’s trying to sell records. Leave him alone – he’s been nothing but true to himself and honest with us fans. ENOUGH!!!!!

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    good night guys:)

    I’m going to sleep early 2night…

    sytycd isn’t on today is it?!

  • tabitha

    tls62
    11/16/2009 at 7:25 pm
    I feel like we’re getting a glimpse of what Adam has been dealing with for years. It’s very unfortunate and sad that the focus keeps moving away from his music’ ¦.all he wants to do is entertain everyone and make us happy, but yet it’s a fight the entire way.

    After reading that letter I’m afraid my protective side of Adam has emerged and I have this intense desire to beat this guy’s ass right now. But that’s just me’ ¦’ ¦

    this is the first comment that made me smile and I feel the same way. I just want to kick this jerks ass…..so I volunteer if you need back-up:)

  • 4evrmomof4

    some guys designed some costumes for ADam-don’t know if Adam has ever seen them, but the 1st one is awesome, IMO

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_t8PbGeaDc

  • lucy

    Ruining Adam’s credibity will not help the gay community. Instead, it would be good for an openly gay man to get the chance to get out there and be a public figure.

    The editor’s point was that Adam was not being given the same chance to “get out there and be a public figure” that a straight artist would have been given.

    A straight entertainer’s management would not have said, “Well, we just don’t want him on the cover with *all* straight people. He can only be on it if there’s also someone gay on there.”

    As long as there’s that difference, then Adam is *not* getting the exact same chance to be in the public eye as a straight entertainer would get. And if he’s not getting the same chance, then equality has not been achieved and there is still a struggle. Neither Adam nor the gay community has won *anything* yet, as along as that difference exists. That being the case, I’m not a bit surprised that the guy would write that letter.

  • princessdi

    Welcome to the condescending, judgmental, contempuous, self-aggrandizing, pretentious, overbearing and unforgiving world of the gay community, Lambert fans.

    Fasten your seatbelts, you’re in for a bumpy ride.

  • 4evrmomof4

    I missed it, but it looks like Ryan showed loincloth guy and Adam in leather coat on E!news tonite, mentioning that is was good it was windy, referring to loin cloth guy

  • gangreen29

    Welcome to the condescending, judgmental, contempuous, self-aggrandizing, pretentious, overbearing and unforgiving world of the gay community, Lambert fans.

    Wow, hateful much? Adam fans are ambassadors of him, and angry bitterness like this is not helping him any.

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    I must say that the only part of the letter that truly bothered me was the statement, ‘We’re counting on you not to mess this up.’  It sounded almost like a threat to me. JMHO

    last thing;

    I must say that the only part of the letter that truly bothered me was the statement, ‘We’re counting on you not to mess this up.’  It sounded almost like a threat to me. JMHO

    lol.I totally disagree but this reminds me of the auditions in Kentucky (?) where some guy was like “take care of yourself” and the judges thought it was a threat lollollol

  • 4evrmomof4

    sytycd is on tomorrow, luv, so the momma in me says to get some early sleep….

  • FifthHouseSun

    ilovenpt123: What the heck ‘“ do they want Adam’s blood next????? The guy does a stand up article, is on the cover, and they complain?

    jms: I bet it’s the last interview he ever gives these yahoos

    And as was mentioned earlier up thread, good luck on those chats with other management companies.

    And bet the young gay stars — of which there are thousands in America, what with the no discrimination and all — will be so eager to open up now for Out Magazine. Hoping, they too, will get called out by the Editor for being Not Gay Enough.

  • suebrody

    Can someone give me the links to the album pictures, please?!

    As always, Ryan is nothing if not classy, snark.

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    sytycd is on tomorrow, luv, so the momma in me says to get some early sleep’ ¦.

    thnx:)

    yeah,I’m going(reluctantly marches upstairs)

  • Squirrely

    Welcome to the condescending, judgmental, contempuous, self-aggrandizing, pretentious, overbearing and unforgiving world of the gay community, Lambert fans.

    My best friends are gay men and they say stuff like this all the time – they’re joking.

  • spinastory

    Let me see the stright guy’s are afraid Adam will appear to gay, the gay guy’s are afraid Adam will not be allowed to be as gay as he is.

    Where is the measurment stick.. How will we know what is being too gay or not gay enough!!!

    blahhhhhhhhh just do what you do Adam.

  • lizziegs

    green arrow back for FYE on Amazon.. Cruised on up to number 5.

  • revcat

    There seems to be some confusion, but Aaron Hicklin, editor of OUT, did write the letter in OUT. (Michael Musto wrote the article in the Village Voice about Hicklin’s letter.)

    “green arrow back for FYE on Amazon.. Cruised on up to number 5.

    Good news, now I don’t feel guilty cuz I cancelled Amazon, getting the iTunes deluxe due to the extra tracks but will probably buy a hard copy at WalMart or some such place and save myself the postage. Amazon is doing great especially considering the fact that they aren’t offering much bang for the buck. Hopefully all the complaints about Adam’s rollout will evaporate after his AMA appearance.

  • princessdi

    Say what you will gangrene. If Adam doesn’t do what the gay community expects him to do, they will throw him out like yesterday’s news.

  • becausehelives

    I can’t believe that editor did this to Adam. I am livid. I was just praising OUT for having one of the best interviews ever and the editor goes and ruins it all. poor bb , the letter was completely unnecessary, obviously not completely true from what we have seen and heard of the album so far and what 19 has let Adam do.

    I now understand why gay celebrities stay in the closet. their own community is their worst enemy. Naive me , when idol was on i thought Adam had the gay vote, not until I came on message boards and blogs did i realise that they didn’t appreciate him like that. OUT magazine should have been like safe haven but it’s now a nightmare.

  • larc

    Out is evidently interested only in Adam’s sexuality and in exploiting his fame to advance their own causes. I think Adam is more interested in his music. I am, too. So to hell with Out!!!

  • dcglam

    some guys designed some costumes for ADam-don’t know if Adam has ever seen them, but the 1st one is awesome, IMO

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_t8PbGeaDc

    Love them!! This is exactly what we need to focus on right now.
    Thanks for sharing, 4evrmomof4!

  • spinastory

    WOW loved the costumes.. :-)

  • suebrody

    lol

    Also, two stations added FYE today!!!

    It’s something, right?

    Going to listen to Adam music…

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ sunsurger

    This is actually pretty childish. It’s obvious the editor is just trying to start something to get the name of the mag out there. Every management of every celebrity makes these demands. Bitching about it after getting their interview is terrible journalism (if you can call that magazine that). Adam already had a lot of haters in the gay community because he’s too gay/not gay enough. How stupid, he isn’t the gay messiah.

    THIS

    Maybe not. But I bet it’s the last interview he ever gives these yahoos.

    I HOPE SO!

    Amazing what is being done in a down economy to get hits for your business! This guy has done more damage to the gay community… inciting hatred and showing lack of support….

    The whole point is…it isn’t anyone else’s business to tell Adam how to live his life and career, far less some magazine publisher!

    Dear Adam – Hope you get the chance to tell this guy to fuck off!

  • Kanadie Bonttell

    Seems like this could potentially cause OUT some trust issues in the future with other celebrities being reluctant to do a cover for them.

  • marg

    Adam….back away from Out 100, they’re trouble….quit being gay, straight whatever and be Adam and just go make music and entertain us…rock on

  • gangreen29

    their own community is their worst enemy. Naive me , when idol was on i thought Adam had the gay vote, not until I came on message boards and blogs did i realise that they didn’t appreciate him like that.

    You can be angry at Out all you want over that letter, but this is just ignorant. The gay community is not their own worst enemy, their worst enemy is the people in this country that still believe that being gay is an abomination, and something that can be prayed out of the sinner. Also, it was ignorant to assume because Adam is gay that every single gay person should like him. Being gay is not some kind of defining factor, just like race or gender. I still remember a white classmate telling me I should not hate Will Smith because he is a “brotha”, because of course every black person should appreciate his awful rapping and acting.

  • sallysimmons

    And evidently you haven’t been watching, from what everyone was recently the gay community was more enamored with Kris, than Adam. I also think they are going for mainstream appeal. If you say Adam isn’t going to have that, then so be it. Gene was right. Should’a hid in the closet, then OUT would have no issue with him at all, right?

    Wrong.

    You twisted my words or misunderstood my meaning.

    If RCA/19/whoever (I’m not following Adam’s every move so pardon me if I confuse my faceless corporate entities) would let Adam be himself, issues like this would never arise.

    I happen to think honesty is the best policy and that if RCA/19/random corporate entity would let Adam be honest, then he would actually appeal to a lot more people than he will by pretending to be something he’s not.

    Corporations always mistake being mainstream for being fake. We elected a black President and we’d be happy to buy records from a gay pop star. Just not from a faker.

    Adam isn’t bi-sexual, isn’t curious, and wouldn’t sleep with a woman if he and she were the last two on a desert island.

    He’d say that if he was free to be honest. In fact, I predict right now that he will say it a year or two from now when he’s free to be honest.

    My point wasn’t about homophobia. It was about honesty.

  • Ceddies

    i’m just trying to play catchup on MJ’s this evening. Seems to me that the guys from Out should take a listen to Adam’s quote “Entitlement is not sexy”. Guess they’re not going for “sexy”.

    I looked for the Out mag at my local shops. It wasn’t available yesterday. Now glad it wasn’t–won’t be buying it to add to my collection.

  • rockdamama

    Not too good at cutting/pasting but wanted to keep Dhunken’s comments alive because I so agree. As the mother of a gay man I know firsthand the struggles they face in their lives. I adore Adam because he does stay true to himself and doesn’t force himself to fit other’s perceptions of what he “should’ be. He is blazing new territory and I am cheering him on. Too bad Hicklen doesn’t see beyond his self-interest to understand that Adam doesn’t owe Out anything.

    DHUNKEN:
    Though I appreciate Aaron Hicklin’s point of view and where he is coming from he is only interested in his own agenda. If he truly was interested in Adam and Adam’s career he would not have written this letter. Adam is more then a gay man. He is a singing artist trying to make it in the industry. I find Hicklin to be disingenuous. How much more does he want Adam or his label to give. 19/RCA has been more supportive of Adam and his sexuality then I can remember any major label being for any up and coming artist who is openly gay. Could it be more. Possibly but reality is this is a new territory that Adam and RCA are entering. Bottom line is everyone is in this to make money. Why isn’t Hicklin calling out Ellen for not having more gay guest on. Or for not having her show 100% of the time talk explicitly about gay issues and topics. How dare she have straight celebrities on who don’t 100% endorse all gay issues. Oh wait she is a celebrity trying to be a success in the entertainment business. Mr. Hicklin is like the spoiled child who gets an ice cream cone and complains that they only got two scoops instead of three. As a gay man this saddens me. There is enough problems we face we don’t need it from our own especially when we have someone on the cusp of potentially breaking down barriers that can open the doors to other in our community. Thanks Aaron for that huge step backwards.

  • Niall

    If indeed Adam’s handlers at RCA and 19 are going around trying to keep Adam’s homosexuality toned down by making the types of demands OUT is alleging then they deserve every word of that editorial. If Adam wasn’t aware of it, he is now. If he’s been playing along by pulling the bi-curious card at their behest or whatever else then that is disingenuous from a guy I’ve respected for being 100% who he is at all times.

    OUT Magazine doesn’t need Adam Lambert and Adam doesn’t need OUT so why shouldn’t the editor feel free as a gay man to explain why he and the magazine are displeased with Adam? If Adam disagrees he’ll say so. OUT is not around to help Adam’s career. They are a magazine with a viewpoint.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    The editor’s point was that Adam was not being given the same chance to ‘get out there and be a public figure’  that a straight artist would have been given.

    Who knows what’s true or not. It could be sour grapes over the RS and Details covers. I think Adam would have been on the cover of OUT all by himself eventually. I don’t know if that is going to happen or not, now, I guess it depends on how Adam feels.

    To be honest, I don’t know what would have been the big deal if Adam had been on the cover of OUT all by himself? Perhaps OUT only wanted Adam for a solo cover WHILE he was on the show. I think that has to be it more. I mean, a magazine cover is a magazine cover. And as someone upthread said, lots of cool people have been on the cover of OUT. Adam would have just been one more. :)

  • Squirrely

    from the OUT 100 shoot photographer

    jasonbellphoto

    Thanks. Going to put up a whole Out 100 section on my site once the magazine is on newstands. Shot Adam in NYC Aug 6th.

  • dab1234

    I am so very saddened by what has happened here. It is as hard to be an advocate today as it was in the 60’s for a similar battle. We are all, first and foremost, human beings. Nothing else should matter. Adam is a human being and an entertainer/singer. THAT is the order things should be in, sexual orientation should not matter or even be addressed. It doesn’t change who he is or his incredible talent. When will people finally stop labeling and judging other people?
    ok, off my soapbox now, I LOVE Michelin man pic. Never thought I would say that.

  • revcat

    Out is evidently interested only in Adam’s sexuality and in exploiting his fame to advance their own causes. I think Adam is more interested in his music. I am, too. So to hell with Out!!!

    I’m with you larc!

  • Truthiness

    Amazing what is being done in a down economy to get hits for your business!

    Except that he probably just shot himself in the foot there. I can’t be bothered to go look, but my guess would be AO, IDF’s Adam thread, whatever, are now talking about NOT buying this magazine, of boycotting it. And it probably won’t affect those that were going to buy the magazine anyway, but if they were trying get some of Adam’s fanbase to buy it, that’s probably not going to happen now.

    So maybe if they were hoping to make up for it with webhits, because I think that’s about what they’re going to get. Oh wells, not sad at all.

  • didilynn

    This all makes me weary and sad. Poor Adam – so much pressure to perform “miracles” for everyone.

    I agree with a lot of the posters here that the Out editor is doing Adam and the gay community an injustice.

    Clearly, OUT and 19 have their own agendas, primarily involving sales and ultimately money. 19 has made a big investment in Adam and wants him to succeed.

    I really want him to succeed too – for many reasons but mostly because I want the opportunity for more albums, tours and entertainment from him. I can understand their (19) being a little unsure of how to proceed with his marketing – it is somewhat new territory, so I can cut them a little slack here.

    I think OUT should be doing everything in their power to support Adam as he makes this risky and groundbreaking endeavor. I think the letter was a stupid move also. Seems like a step back rather than forward in the civil rights movement.

  • will

    Haven’t had time to read any comments, but just wanted to say that Aaron Hicklin seems like a major douche. Way to disrespect one of your Out 100 honorees by trying to sow discord between him and his management right before his album drops.

    Out and its parent company are really struggling to stay afloat right now.

    http://www.queerty.com/massive-layoffs-at-a-bleeding-regenthere-media-advocate-folding-into-insert-20091030/

    This is a blatant bid for publicity at Adam’s expense. It sucks.

  • HermeticallySealed

    gangreen29
    11/16/2009 at 9:48 pm

    their own community is their worst enemy. Naive me , when idol was on i thought Adam had the gay vote, not until I came on message boards and blogs did i realise that they didn’t appreciate him like that.

    You can be angry at Out all you want over that letter, but this is just ignorant. The gay community is not their own worst enemy, their worst enemy is the people in this country that still believe that being gay is an abomination, and something that can be prayed out of the sinner.

    Yes, those types are bad for the gay community, but let me tell you (again) as a gay man, yes we are our own worst enemy. Our constant bickering and cutting down any gay or lesbian that doesn’t conform to some such idiotic self imposed stereotype does us no good. Our constant statements that it’s “okay for us to do something, but oh noes, you can’t do the same thing!!” makes us seem petty and selfish. Take a look at any gay blog, at the absolutely disgusting and hateful comments . . . aimed at other glbt, and try saying that the community doesn’t work against itself.

    I have volunteered a lot with a gay youth organization my boss runs, whose aim is to help those youth deal with the isolation, abandonment and the hate that fills their lives, often from their own families. Let me tell you, we get shit help from the rest of the gay community. Mostly we have to deal with back bitting, rumor mongering and dirty backstabbing attempts by those who imagine that they’ve received some slight.
    To be honest, we get more help from straight people than from our “community.”

    The very fact that we know how it feels to be treated that way by outsiders, yet are absolutely intent on doing the same to each other, that is what makes us a bigger threat to ourselves. It’s easy to give someone sympathy when they’re kicked to the ground unfairly; not so much when others see that you aren’t much better yourself.

  • princessdi

    Well gangrene, the people on this board don’t believe being gay is an abomination, but instead they get these bullshit comments from members of the gay media criticizing Adam for not doing what they want him to do. He is not their poster boy.

    Did you read Adam’s comments

    “One of things that I don’t like about the gay community is that people define themselves by their sexuality-and that’s bullshit. It should’t be about that. It should be that it just so happens that you’re this or that, and that’s your sexuality.

    “It doesn’t mean that that should dictate what your social group is or where you go out or who you talk to or what your interests are. That’s bullshit. That’s outdated.”

    Good for you Adam—get on with your bad self. People who are gay should be defined by who they are as a person and not by their sexuality. That is what Adam is saying. It is a small part of who he is and no one and I mean no one has the right to determine his path but him.

  • Bowie1

    If I was Adam I’d take Cheeks advice, “don’t play w them anymore. I know I’m not.”

    It seems like people just keep trying to put Adam in a box! Now this guy is trying to tell Adam how to be gay!! After seeing the way this so called Out magazine editor has disrespected Adam……I would never buy this magazine now. Instead of getting more readers to understand, and appreciate the gay communtiy….this guy has probably turned people off and lost a great opportunity to reach people. Way to go Out magazine….you fail!!!

    Adam will rise above this mess….just another bump in the road on this never dull journey!

  • AnninSD

    Bowie 1

    I’m with you, right on!

  • Finn

    If this editor was upset with Adam’s “people”, he could have approached the issue with Adam and them at the time of the interview, and could have perhaps had a chance to actually make a change then, or at least informed Adam about the situation. (He alludes that Adam did not know about any restrictions during the interview) If they had discussed it, it may have led to some progress for everyone concerned.

    Instead, this is like some kind of ambush of Adam to try and punish tptb. If they had really talked to Adam himself about all of this, which it doesn’t sound like they did, maybe it would have gone down differently. Now, Adam, who is so open, takes all this flack from someone who, I would think, be supporting his courage.

    So, according to all of this, Adam is not gay at all. What he is, is too gay, and from the other camp not gay enough.

    I think that letter was way low. I’ll bet the problem could have been worked out or at least addressed before this.

  • newshound61

    Oh, God, we get it already! He’s gay. So what? Where’s the news value in an entertainer being gay? And for someone who doesn’t want the focus on his sexual preferences he sure spouts about it all the time and gives all these interviews to magazine after magazine trying to get people to speculate and wonder. There’s more interest in who and what he enjoys in bed than in his music. Enough already.

  • Squirrely

    Haven’t had time to read any comments, but just wanted to say that Aaron Hicklin seems like a major douche. Way to disrespect one of your Out 100 honorees by trying to sow discord between him and his management right before his album drops.

    To do this right before his album drops and then to say don’t fuck it up is the part that really pisses me off.

  • DLee

    Give me the music baby….

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ sunsurger

    Will

    Out and its parent company are really struggling to stay afloat right now.

    http://www.queerty.com/massive-layoffs-at-a-bleeding-regenthere-media-advocate-folding-into-insert-20091030/

    This is a blatant bid for publicity at Adam’s expense. It sucks.

    Thank you for backing up what I said!

  • iluvai

    I don’t get it. Adam is so out, he is OUT, and people know it!!!!!

    Big deal. I love this guy. His fans love him.

    What a bunch of stupid hoopla.

  • lizziegs

    the young folk at adamofficial have the word out not to buy the magazine. many had planned to buy multiple copies. dont suppose out cares but made me feel a smidgeon better.

  • newshound61

    Oh, God, we get it already! He’s gay. So what? Where’s the news value in an entertainer being gay? And for someone who doesn’t want the focus on his sexual preferences he sure spouts about it all the time and gives all these interviews to magazine after magazine trying to get people to speculate and wonder. There’s more interest in who and what he enjoys in bed than in his music. Enough already.

    Honey do you know what this thread is about? No? I didn’t think you did.

    Fuck off

  • cayman

    My opinion regarding Adam’s “honesty” that was addressed earlier. I don’t believe this young man knows how to be dishonest, I wouldn’t wish this kind of scrutiny on my worse enemy. I gather from the articles all he wants to do is live a happy life and play along the way. I am so happy he has a desire to create music and be an entertainer, he is a great joy to listen to and watch perform. It does break my heart to the extent that if he were my son, to watch what he has gone through and some of the cruel statements made about him I would probably have to scream at someone. I admire his willingness to go through so much crap to be able to create his music, one reason I am thrilled to say I have pre-ordered one of everything he is selling.

  • aa618892

    ‘The gay community is not their own worst enemy, their worst enemy is the people in this country that still believe that being gay is an abomination,”

    I completely acknowledge that I had a bit of homophobia, misconceptions about gay people and hint of intolerance drummed into me from a fundamentalist Christian upbringing. Getting to know Adam from his amazing interviews and following his career has enlightened me and I now reject my old thinking. Isn’t this what the “gay community” wants? Adam has done this just by being himself and they don’t even realize it. I know I am not the only one here with a newly opened mind thanks to Adam. I am apalled at the comments and hostility thrown at him when he has done more to change a lot of people’s thinking and attitudes than their snarky, disgusting remarks aimed at him ever will.

  • becausehelives

    You can be angry at Out all you want over that letter, but this is just ignorant. The gay community is not their own worst enemy, their worst enemy is the people in this country that still believe that being gay is an abomination, and something that can be prayed out of the sinner. Also, it was ignorant to assume because Adam is gay that every single gay person should like him.

    This is my view after reading comments on gay sites abt Adam and other gay celebrities. of course not every gay guy is gonna like him but most of them on the internet at least, don’t, for silly reasons ranging from being fat to not being gay enough to whatever. they go out of their way to identify themselves ,eg “I hate Adam blah blah and I am even gay”. I always wondered the need to stress that part.

    I just think when they have an organized community like they do, they could support each other. it doesn’t make me ignorant just naive but whatever. Who does this editor’s letter hurt more Adam, 19 or Out magazine?.

  • cayman

    Correction, I will NOT be buying Out, I do feel they bit the hand that fed them, and Adam was used as shark bait. Guess I will go buy another album instead.

  • becausehelives

    Yes, those types are bad for the gay community, but let me tell you (again) as a gay man, yes we are our own worst enemy. Our constant bickering and cutting down any gay or lesbian that doesn’t conform to some such idiotic self imposed stereotype does us no good. Our constant statements that it’s ‘okay for us to do something, but oh noes, you can’t do the same thing!!’  makes us seem petty and selfish. Take a look at any gay blog, at the absolutely disgusting and hateful comments . . . aimed at other glbt, and try saying that the community doesn’t work against itself.

    thank you very much. this is what i meant. i saw horrible comments directed at Adam and others and I was appalled. it made me wonder maybe it was ok since everyone there was gay, u know like black people rapping abt the n word or something. it was ugly . so no it’s not being ignorant and I am glad that you saw what i saw on those blogs.and maybe in real life too.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com rowenaaine

    VERY disillusioned by the back-stabbing tone of the editor-in-chief, and suspect I will be writing a long comment about it on my own site tomorrow. Have a headache now from all the controversy. Sad how such an amazing interview has now been overshadowed by the agenda of the magazine. I support gay rights but not the forceable flag-bearing they expect everyone in the gay community to do. Sorry Out, you lost my $5.

  • darksiam

    Really Hicklin? Imagine how much more principled you and your magazine might have appeared had this indignity you’ve suffered at the hands of Adam’s management actually motivated you to refuse such offensive and double-standard-perpetuating terms. A simple, “Sorry, we don’t work that way. We love Adam. Would love to have him on the Out 100 cover, but, you know, the whole “Out” thing. It’s kind of who we are. And it’s like the title and stuff.” But you didn’t. You bowed to them. You quietly satisfied all of their demands for obfuscation. And why would you do that? Because the currency represented by having Adam Lambert on your cover was worth more to you than your integrity. Also less than opaque? Dedicating several hundred words carefully laying all blame at his management’s feet but presenting it as a public challenge to… Adam Lambert. When you’re complicit, you don’t get to have it both ways.

  • wjmtv

    Hicklin ought to be ashamed of himself. If he gave a shit about Adam, he’d keep his mouth shut until Adam’s so big nothing can touch him. Then he can whine to his heart’s content. Now, it’s one more pile of crap Adam has to deal with at a time when he should be focusing on (a) his music, and (b) the sheer joy of his first album release, something he’s been working and praying for, for a damned long time.

    Stay strong, my glittery friend. I know you’ll come out of this smelling like a rose, but you deserve better.

  • butte009

    Where the heck is that ROTFLMAO smiley when you need it?!!!! :lol:

    Hinklin’s remark was “Out was urged not to make Adam too gay in the shot.” Really? That coming after his FYE cover shot? Something is not adding up. Why would RCA/19 allow that cover if they thought being “too gay” or attending a gay event would hurt sales?

    My that was a good laugh……

  • flashus

    newshound61….cute, just cute. Don’t worry about it Squirelly because some things in life just aren’t worth it. Thank you, again, dhunken and thank you Will and HermeticallySealed. I have felt so bad since your posts and wish that things were different and hope that they will be sooner rather than later.

  • HermeticallySealed

    so no it’s not being ignorant and I am glad that you saw what i saw on those blogs.

    Nope, not ignorant. There’s a lot of ugliness. Not all of us are that way, but it’s the very vocal asses that drive a lot of otherwise good members of the community away. And what pisses me off the most is, these jerks are who gay youth see, and start to emulate.

    And maybe that’s what pisses a lot of the older glbt off so much about those like Adam. They are so full of bitterness and anger from what has gone on in there lives that they see these happy and likable glbt that are embraced, and it makes them see red at the unfairness of it. Rather than be happy that things are changing, they just turn hateful and find ways to justify their anger.

  • mistyluv7

    I see people falling for the oldest trick in the game over and over. There is a saying in Showbiz…there is no bad press….good or bad, anything that brings attention will boost sales. Just sit back and relax…none of this will hurt Adam. Still counting the days for the AMA’s and FYE

  • dsp

    Still steaming at Out editor…felt like a WHAM BAM Thankyou MAME Moment
    I am soooo angry that Out will get hits over this!!!!!!

  • Squirrely

    flashus I didn’t give it another thought – not worth the energy.

  • adamisthemanfan

    the young folk at adamofficial have the word out not to buy the magazine. many had planned to buy multiple copies.

    yeah I agree all of this nonsense isnt helping Adam or giving him the type of publicity he wants..and the letter from that editor is inappropriate. Im glad ppl here agree with that.

    Speaking of AO have you guys seen how all of a sudden they decided to market WWFM as Adams’s “new single” ? WTF? He is premiering FYE on the AMA’s so why discard that song and move on to another one without any promo or a video or anything? What gives? Im really getting frustrated at their disorganized management schemes…
    Adam is shooting or just finished shooting the MV for FYE and this (new single bull crap) is just gonna confuse ppl…
    why cant they just do radio promo for FYE???? UGH!!!
    Not cool.
    sorry I just ha to vent…it just doesnt make sense to me.
    Relying on Adam’s AMA performance is not enough…unless Adam specifically told them to put off radio promo which I highly doubt they are not doing enough to push the single. We as fans can only do so much and Adam can only do so much hes only one person.

  • retjenny

    Boycott of 3.

    I just got home and I don’t know where the “Boycott” count is by now but COUNT ME IN!

  • Squirrely

    at the moment WWFM fits the situation :)

  • Beverly2

    (I first wrote this in the wrong place in case you see it twice. sorry)
    During the Presidential election, many Black people wanted to claim Obama “for the Black people.” However, though Obama IS Black and does all that he graciously can to encourage dignity, self-help and advancement among his ethnic group, he in fact belongs to and works equally for ALL the people. And so it is with Adam. Though he is Jewish, he states his respect for all religions. Though he is androgynous and prefers male sexual partners, he states his love and appreciation for women. Though he presently likes pop rock, he is a lover of many types of the world’s music. Adam’s destiny seems headed for the WORLD stage. No one community can claim this androgynous world star as their trophy. OUT is correct in featuring his example of boundless success…along with others who are also smashing barriers. 19 is correct in insisting that Adam stand proudly with gay/straight men and women of all races who have achieved national prominence. They look like the entire country will look when gender, race and sexual preference becomes irrelevant…when the Master Plan of Adam’s song becomes a reality. I thank Out, 19 and Adam for this cover and I thank Adam and Lady Gaga for demonstrating the different faces of androgyny with such determination.

  • Finn

    darksiam
    11/16/2009 at 10:42 pm
    Really Hicklin? Imagine how much more principled you and your magazine might have appeared had this indignity you’ve suffered at the hands of Adam’s management actually motivated you to refuse such offensive and double-standard-perpetuating terms. A simple, ‘Sorry, we don’t work that way. We love Adam. Would love to have him on the Out 100 cover, but, you know, the whole ‘Out’  thing. It’s kind of who we are. And it’s like the title and stuff.’  But you didn’t. You bowed to them. You quietly satisfied all of their demands for obfuscation. And why would you do that? Because the currency represented by having Adam Lambert on your cover was worth more to you than your integrity. Also less than opaque? Dedicating several hundred words carefully laying all blame at his management’s feet but presenting it as a public challenge to’ ¦ Adam Lambert. When you’re complicit, you don’t get to have it both ways.

    I absolutely love this post. Thankyou. You summed it up perfectly!!!!!!

  • tabitha

    I think it is safe to assume that Adam fans will NOT be buying this mag!!!!!!!!!!!

  • HoppersSkippersMiners

    Taking a slightly alternate side. Don’t give a shit about the editor. I’m pissed because

    ONE OF THE BEST DAMN ADAM INTERVIEWS EVER

    is going to be lost due to this idiotic controversy. And it is an IMPORTANT interview BECAUSE he talks about getting out of boxes and how shades of femininity/masculinity shouldn’t matter. THIS WAS REALLY, REALLY GOOD STUFF and now people won’t buy the magazine, and this message will fade…..and it SHOULDN’T.

    IMO, we’re biting our own hands here by allowing our peeves with the editor to hinder the wide distribution (“I won’t buy it and I told everyone else not to buy it”) of this particular interview.

  • iluvai

    I don’t think this is the first time Adam has been mentioned in “Out”. I think I was looking for the RS mag when I saw a blurb about Adam in Out. He was criticized then too, and I took it with a grain of salt. But now I don’t get it. Adam has been straightforward and honest.

    I just hope Adam keeps being Adam. All of his fans gay, straight and otherwise adore him. Just be you darling!

  • jms

    Who does this editor’s letter hurt more Adam, 19 or Out magazine?

    In the long run, probably Out. I expect they’ll be losing a lot of sales of this issue. They likely printed extra copies counting on Adam fans to buy. Some will, but I strongly suspect not nearly as many as would have originally.

    Adam’s fans will likely still support him. Most won’t see the article and letter. And those that do will likely have already had their opinions formed.

    One of things that irritates me is that Hicklin was upset that Adam didn’t acknowledge his gay fans in the interview. And I’m like, well, where are they all? I haven’t seen many. At least not gay men. When I went to the concerts it was lots of screaming women. That’s who Adam sees. If he has a lot a gay men that are fans, most of them sure couldn’t be bothered to go to an AI tour. The gay blogs I looked at had lots of comments about how cute Kris was but had lots of hateful and derogatory posts about Adam. When Adam says he’s only met two or three gay men fans, I believe it. I saw the vids of the fans waiting for autographs: women. Now he may have a lot of people rooting for him quietly. That’s nice. But it isn’t the same as a fan that’s willing to spend money.

    Anyway, long way to say, I doubt most of Adam’s fans will be reading this so it shouldn’t hurt him or 19. Out pretty much shot themselves in the foot both with losing sales on this issue (money which it sounds like they sorely need) and by making other gay performers much less willing to do an interview with them. They violated a trust. A trust that is needed to continue delivering in depth thoughtful content.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    newshound61

    Fuck off

    In a godly way?

  • iluvai

    Jms: I agree with your post.

  • May

    Naive me , when idol was on i thought Adam had the gay vote, not until I came on message boards and blogs did i realise that they didn’t appreciate him like that.

    Yes, but that doesn’t make them haters. The fact that everyone keeps asserting that Adam shouldn’t be judged based on his sexuality is in direct contradiction to the expectation that gays are supposed to favor him just because he is gay. FYI, most of my male gay friends favored Kris from the very beginning and I have the impression that they would have favored him whether or not Adam existed or didn’t exist in the competition.

    Say what you will gangrene. If Adam doesn’t do what the gay community expects him to do, they will throw him out like yesterday’s news.

    The assumption that gays (or other minorities) think with a collective brain is always baffling to me. That aside, I think it’s naive to assume that the idols don’t have to make certain compromises when they pair up with 19E. I’m inclined to believe that Adam’s management did say those things to “Out” magazine. It would be interesting to know how Adam felt about it but I suspect he didn’t have much say in the matter. The fact that the album allowed a glam cover has nothing to do with how they want Adam to appear in interviews.

  • jms

    IMO, we’re biting our own hands here by allowing our peeves with the editor to hinder the wide distribution (‘ I won’t buy it and I told everyone else not to buy it’ ) of this particular interview.

    No we’re not. On line fandom will read on-line and it will be distributed. Off-line fandom won’t ever hear about it. Also, is the full interview even in the hardcopy? I was under the impression that it was only available on-line.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ greeneyedlady

    darksiam
    Really Hicklin? Imagine how much more principled you and your magazine might have appeared had this indignity you’ve suffered at the hands of Adam’s management actually motivated you to refuse such offensive and double-standard-perpetuating terms. A simple, ‘Sorry, we don’t work that way. We love Adam. Would love to have him on the Out 100 cover, but, you know, the whole ‘Out’  thing. It’s kind of who we are. And it’s like the title and stuff.’  But you didn’t. You bowed to them. You quietly satisfied all of their demands for obfuscation. And why would you do that? Because the currency represented by having Adam Lambert on your cover was worth more to you than your integrity. Also less than opaque? Dedicating several hundred words carefully laying all blame at his management’s feet but presenting it as a public challenge to’ ¦ Adam Lambert. When you’re complicit, you don’t get to have it both ways.

    Fantastic! I hope that you will also write this in a letter to the editor.

    And HoppersSkippersMiners you make an interesting point. I fully anticipate endless controversy as Adam’s career moves forward. It is frankly going to be exhausting to try to figure out what to boycott and what to support if we dissect every possible nuance of intention in every piece of press. Hicklin is a dick, but I loved the Out interview, and I would love for more people to read it because it shows Adam at his most intelligent and articulate and complex. He may have simple needs, but he is not a simple man, for sure.

  • cayman

    Okay, shame on me, I couldn’t resist, I should have, I sent an email to OUT congratulating them on the stab in the back towards Adam. Told them instead of spending money on their issue, since I buy everything Adam, I would go buy another album and gift to a true Adam supporter who didn’t have the funds to buy one. I should have taken the advice of someone earlier who said just ignore them, I am weak what can I say. Revenge is sometimes sweet though.

  • dhunken

    As a gay man I really think Hicklin owes 19/RCA a big thank you. If they really “pressured” Out magazine in having a cover that had to include other people beside just Adam on it I think that was a brilliant move. Adam is not the only face of the gay community. He is part of many gay individuals trying to fit in and are doing their small part to further gay issues. No one person can do it and each person does it in their own best way. What works for one may not work for another depending on circumstances and situations. Hasn’t Hickin heard the expression “you catch more flies with honey then you do with vinegar”. Though I understand some of what he is trying to expose, I don’t agree with his delivery. You don’t punch someone for feeding you hamburgers when you want steak. (I came up with this analogy myself. Hope it works lol) Maybe he would have been better off trying to orchestrate a deal to have Adam on the cover next year when he was more established. Hickin has a purpose in the gay community, I just don’t agree that he should step on Adam’s path to further is own agenda no matter how righteous it may appear to be.

    Beverly2 loved what you wrote in your post.

  • abbysee

    Wrong.

    You twisted my words or misunderstood my meaning.

    Sally, I don’t think I did at all. I also don’t think that you know more about Adam’s sexuality, and what he would and wouldn’t do than he does. He’s not tried to play it straight, just cautious on the show because he knew that not everyone is accepting of gay people. He knows how important image is, and he is after all trying to make a career for himself. Not as an activist, but as a singer. It sucks that he is held to some standard that straight people are not.

    Your point that if he’s targeted to me, a mainstream, straight female, then they were looking at the wrong demographic, is both wrong, insulting, and narrowminded. I don’t buy cds with my libido, or vulva, but with hard earned money, and it’s sexless. As if the gay community is a monolith, and that is all that he needs. There ain’t no rainbow dollars with a unicorn replacing the presidential picture. (Or Ben Franklin) If that is the way of the future, no wonder we are bound for Armageddon in 2012, like the Mayans say, lol.

    We haven’t evolved enough to survive our petty ideologies, on both sides I see. Sorry also that the comment section at VV has gone toxic, with cray cray fans of all shapes and sizes, glamberts, Kris fans, and the fucking VFTW asses. Sadz all around for us.

  • SybilTrelawney

    Taking a slightly alternate side. Don’t give a shit about the editor. I’m pissed because

    ONE OF THE BEST DAMN ADAM INTERVIEWS EVER

    is going to be lost due to this idiotic controversy. And it is an IMPORTANT interview BECAUSE he talks about getting out of boxes and how shades of femininity/masculinity shouldn’t matter. THIS WAS REALLY, REALLY GOOD STUFF and now people won’t buy the magazine, and this message will fade’ ¦..and it SHOULDN’T.

    IMO, we’re biting our own hands here by allowing our peeves with the editor to hinder the wide distribution (‘ I won’t buy it and I told everyone else not to buy it’ ) of this particular interview.

    WORD. I thought it was a terrific interview, very revealing, very frank, very self-aware. I hate that the interview itself is going to get lost.

    As a woman of color, I have sometimes had more difficulty dealing with the expectations of my own community about how I should act than the expectations of white men. It’s a very difficult balancing act, and I am sure it is NOWHERE near as difficult as being an out gay man or woman in the public eye. I thought Adam’s handling of the issue in the interview was terrific. From a very different place, I was able to relate to it.

    Adam’s rollout is looking less and less brilliant to me every day. {{sighs in frustration}} And to think that last year I was frustrated over David Cook’s rollout.

  • iluvai

    (This even though Out was first in line, ages ago, in asking for a Lambert cover. Somehow Details was granted a crack at him first, presenting the singer caressing a barely clad woman and talking about kissing girls, though he did also manage to get in the fact that he’s gay).

    He is so obviously gay. But he is gorgeous and the model is gorgeous. And together they were absolutely gorgeous in their photo shoot. It was highly erotic.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    Cyndy Lauper is gay, I believe. She is at lots of Gay Lesbian functions, she came out a few years ago, I believe

    Cyndy is straight. Her sister is a lesbian, and Cyndy has been a staunch suppporter of gay rights.

    Now, based on what that editor wrote, is he implying that Cyndy is on the cover to appease 19? (The straight woman he needed to be photographed with.) If so, WT royal F, man?

  • ShariG

    So completely sick of the entire conversation about Adam Lambert’s sexuality. Who cares. The guy can sing. Isn’t that what it should be about. I hate that he capitalizes on it and I hate that he is criticized for it. Why can’t people focus on the voice. I’m not a fan of his theatrics, but there is no denying his talent.

  • bridgeymah

    Found this in the comments on Village Voice article:

    I’m mostly disappointed that apparently Out didn’t include any of the best sound clips in the print edition. The online interview is far more provocative and compelling.

    All I’ve got to say is ONLINE INTERVIEW – where? Anyone…

  • Janus

    All I’ve got to say is ONLINE INTERVIEW ‘“ where? Anyone’ ¦/blockquote>

    http://www.out.com/detail.asp?page=1&id=26191

  • clearone

    He is so obviously gay

    See I don’t see this. Why is it so obvious? There are many men in the world who dress like Adam, talk like Adam, wear makeup like Adam, have some effeminate qualities yet are straight as arrows. I think calling Adam, or any man, obviously gay is putting on tag on them, one that isn’t fair…..JMHO and all that.

  • bridgeymah

    Janus
    11/16/2009 at 11:27 pm

    Thanks for the link – for some reason I thought they were talking about a video of the interview… need more coffee…

  • Janus

    bridgeymah
    11/16/2009 at 11:30 pm
    Janus
    11/16/2009 at 11:27 pm

    Thanks for the link ‘“ for some reason I thought they were talking about a video of the interview’ ¦ need more coffee’ ¦

    You’re welcome…and I wish there was video :)

  • cayman

    This makes me crazy sad for Adam, think I will go vote for People Choice Awards, he probably won’t win but I will feel better.

  • bridgeymah

    Can open worms everywhere – every “community” group can be harder on each other than people from the outside could ever be (feminist movement anyone).

    Damned if you do and damned if you don’t – only approach is to just be who you are, true to what you believe and let the rest fall where it may. Adam’s doing great. Shit will happen when you are breaking new ground but this too shall pass and soon we will have the AMA performance to squee about and no one will even remember the editor’s name or care what Adam’s management did or didn’t do regards a story in a magazine.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Erm. I’ve been busy tonight. Just a heads up that I WILL be deleting defensive and angry posts.

  • Squirrely

    # EWMichaelSlezak

    My initial thought: “Um, was his CD cover too frat-boy? Also, he’s on the cover of OUT, not Maxim.” But like I said, sleep 1st, dish later. 11 minutes ago from web

    # Michael Slezak EWMichaelSlezak

    I’m a tad…perplexed? Need to have a good sleep and weigh in w/ a clear head tmrw. @mariabintexas thoughts on Out editor’s letter to Adam?

  • suebrody

    edit: I don’t allow the posting of addresses for the express purposes of harrassment

  • dhunken

    And honestly I think I would have had more respect for Aaron Hicklin and agreed with him if he refused to use Adam because of the supposed restrictions and then wrote the letter. I question his true motives. This way he is not much better then 19/RCA (if Hicklin’s accusations are true) because he is pimping Adam for profit too. He got him on the cover and the interview then writes the letter. How is this making a stand by catering to these demands (so you get the guy who sells magazines on your cover and in your mag) then complain about it. Again, I find Hicklin to be very disingenuous

  • http://www.f3properties.com Animated

    This is not about gay rights or enhancing respect for the gay community. This editorial is about business.
    The magazine comes across as unhappy with 19M because they do not have unlimited access to Adam and to his time. They probably may have seen how Rolling Stone was sold out , had seen Details sold out , now they seem to claim by virtue that Adam is gay, they have proprietary rights over him.

    Just as 19M has no noble intentions , but only profitable ones, Out is showing in this editorial that they too are the same. There are no permanent friends in business only permanent interests.

  • NewFan

    Erm. I’ve been busy tonight. Just a heads up that I WILL be deleting defensive and angry posts.

    Hi MJ. I hope you don’ mind anger directed at the editor of OUT magazine otherwise you could be deleting all night long. all night. very long night.

    Of course he is an idiot and he deserved it.

  • AllenTX

    WTF is this? LOL. I can’t even pretend that I understand this guy’s intention behind this letter.

    People are strange. Arkansas >>>>>>>> gay community. js

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    See I don’t see this. Why is it so obvious? There are many men in the world who dress like Adam, talk like Adam, wear makeup like Adam, have some effeminate qualities yet are straight as arrows. I think calling Adam, or any man, obviously gay is putting on tag on them, one that isn’t fair’ ¦..JMHO and all that.

    Eh, it’s called gaydar. I guess that I don’t see anything wrong with tagging someone as gay. It’s not like there’s anything wrong with that.

    Read parts of the interview. Good stuff. Can’t comment on the Out editor at this time. :-)

  • Squirrely

    Eh, it’s called gaydar. I guess that I don’t see anything wrong with tagging someone as gay. It’s not like there’s anything wrong with that.

    Especially when they are gay. I thought Adam was gay from the moment I saw him.

  • jms

    I thought Adam was gay from the moment I saw him.

    I think most people did. First impression of audition: cute, gay, friendly, charming and Daaaamn he can sing.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Hi MJ. I hope you don’ mind anger directed at the editor of OUT magazine otherwise you could be deleting all night long. all night. very long night.

    No, I’m talking about disrespect between posters–the usual thing I’m constantly modding.

  • clearone

    Eh, it’s called gaydar. I guess that I don’t see anything wrong with tagging someone as gay. It’s not like there’s anything wrong with that.

    Especially when they are gay. I thought Adam was gay from the moment I saw him.

    Well I didn’t and there have been guys I’ve met who are straight who I thought were gay. So how does anyone know for certain just by looking them? It’s not possible.

    …and what if they’re not gay? I don’t know many straight guys who would be thrilled about being tagged as gay when they’re not. One should never assume.

  • Squirrely

    I think most people did. First impression of audition: cute, gay, friendly, charming and Daaaamn he can sing.

    very very cute!

  • Truthiness

    IMO, we’re biting our own hands here by allowing our peeves with the editor to hinder the wide distribution (‘ I won’t buy it and I told everyone else not to buy it’ ) of this particular interview.

    That’s a really valid point, but the fact is that the editor chose to make this public and he choose to basically poison this interview. If he really felt Adam wasn’t to blame for this and that Adam was generally doing a good thing for the gay community, than he shouldn’t have acted that way. This letter comes out after Adam argreed to appear on the cover (in whatever capacity) and give them a very open and in-depth interview, that he didn’t evidently bother to read, based on some of his comments.

    I am not financially supporting either this kind of backstabbing behaviour by this editor, and I reject as whole this “gay enough,” mentality or attitude. There is a review for the FYE album I just posted in the headlines thread, where after generally praising Adam’s music, the reviewer than felt they had to say how the cover set back the gay moment. So for them, he’s too say. I say screw you to both of those attitudes. Adam just wants to do his music and live free as who he is, which is what everyone should be given the right to expect to enjoy. He isn’t the gay messiah and he’s not the gay anchor. He’s a guy who has a talent and is trying to succeed with it. He’s an imperfect human being, as we all are. He’s doing the best he can and that and his music are all I expect out of him.

  • suebrody

    I think most people did. First impression of audition: cute, gay, friendly, charming and Daaaamn he can sing.

    very very cute!

    I thought so, too. I was a fan as soon as I saw him, the same way I was with Cook. And he had emo hair. (I know, but I really love him with emo hair. It’s fun to be shallow occasionally.)

  • jms

    ‘ ¦and what if they’re not gay? I don’t know many straight guys who would be thrilled about being tagged as gay when they’re not. One should never assume.

    Well, it’s not like I’d walk up to someone and say: “so, hey, I can see you’re gay”, just like I don’t say “hey, who dies your hair, they do a great job”. Equally rude. After all, as you say, they could be straight and the hair might not be died. But it doesn’t stop me from thinking it and since I’ve only been proven wrong 1/2 of a time, I tend to rely on my gaydar. Pretty much all it means is that if I found them attractive, I wouldn’t bother making any moves on them.

  • LeHommeAdam

    please try to control yourself Out editor…there’s enough Adam for all of us. Don’t be such a baby-when u know something is true you don’t have to constantly scream it from roof tops…let Adam be continental yes?

  • suebrody

    Okay, laterz. Maybe we get a new song tomorrow? We deserve it. It’ll be fun to talk about happy Adam news! (Tho I have to admit that I do want to read Part 2. Hopefully MJ can post it so we don’t have to go to the website and give the bastards hits.)

  • tiger92

    ONE OF THE BEST DAMN ADAM INTERVIEWS EVER

    is going to be lost due to this idiotic controversy. And it is an IMPORTANT interview BECAUSE he talks about getting out of boxes and how shades of femininity/masculinity shouldn’t matter. THIS WAS REALLY, REALLY GOOD STUFF and now people won’t buy the magazine, and this message will fade’ ¦..and it SHOULDN’T.
    IMO, we’re biting our own hands here by allowing our peeves with the editor to hinder the wide distribution (‘ I won’t buy it and I told everyone else not to buy it’ ) of this particular interview

    HSM: The actual article is only a couple of paragraphs. (Remember the one where they used every sentence Adam used the f word in-and then proceded to make the “can sing my face off” quote look like Adam was bragging?) That short article is all others will be reading if they buy the magazine.
    You can go on line and read the next three parts of the wonderful interview you mentioned. Buying the magazine WILL NOT get you the amazing interview that was posted here today.
    I’m not buying it. In my eyes, they used Adam.

  • FifthHouseSun

    dhunken: And honestly I think I would have had more respect for Aaron Hicklin and agreed with him if he refused to use Adam because of the supposed restrictions and then wrote the letter. I question his true motives.

    No kidding.

    Or is he saying “we didn’t cave” that’s why we gave him the obviously super gay George Will bow tie? Nyah, nyah, 19. Oh, and those really handsome shots all over the place. (Like the contents page for heavens sake!) Those are gay our way. So they’re okay. Certified Gay Enough. Because they’re handsome. With no Barbies. And better styled than yours, Details.

    Hicklin, standing up for principle, once we get our hottie shots.

    There are no good motives here. If OUT magazine has a mission statement saying anything about prospering freedom and equality, their editor just betrayed it. And I am relieved to see Slezak’s initial reaction is pro-Adam.

    Still stuck with: What if the Editor of OUT magazine had seized this opportunity to support and expand the equality message of this gigantically popular openly gay sex symbol, charming young man, and major talent whom millions of mainstream Americans already embrace.

    Instead of using this opportunity to help the cause, and sell a boatload of magazines, he attacked. Insanity.

  • Squirrely
  • Kanadie Bonttell

    Some of Adams band and a really hot girl…OOOOFA!

    http://twitpic.com/pu2im

  • Winks8

    Pictue of Adam and his band at the video shoot.

    http://twitpic.com/pu2im

    And my on topic comment… Out + pissed at Details = Adam/19 as fall guys. Pathetic!

  • KatieJ

    Whoa!!! I had to walk away from my computer and calm down for awhile after reading that insulting, condescending, demanding, boundary-crossing, whiny piece of self indulgent arrogance.
    Why so angry? It’s simple. It’s not up to any adult to tell any other adult how to deal with the way they present their sexuality to the world, whether they’re gay, straight, bi, or sexless. Period. It’s intensely personal and each adult has the right to draw the lines wherever they see fit. Adam owns his own sexuality. He’s made that very clear. And he’s drawn his personal line for sharing about it much higher than most. But not high enough for Mr. Hicklin, apparently. That’s the first point. Arrogance.
    Second, Mr. Hicklin is implying – no, demanding, that as soon as a person who just happens to be gay enters the spotlight, their gayness had better be front and center or else. There’s a vague undercurrent of warning in his words. “I like you. I really do.” Then comes the “but” that makes up the rest of the letter. “But” what? But you won’t like him if he doesn’t jump to the crack of your whip? You won’t support his career if his definition of being true to himself isn’t in line with what YOU want it to be?
    “Someone has to be first, and we’re all counting on you not to mess this up.”
    Oh, so YOU, Mr. Hicklin get to decide what constitutes Adam being true to himself? Kinda contradictory, huh?
    Third, Adam is in a business contract. Mr. Hicklin seems to think that Adam’s allegiance lies with, first and foremost, making his gay orientation the focus of his singing career instead of it being to honor a legal contract he entered into willingly with his eyes wide open. He is legally bound to that contract. Any deviation from it could cost him his career and/or a lot of money. So easy for Mr. Hicklin to play fast and loose with another man’s personal dreams and livelihood.
    But the thing that really puts me over the edge with the audacity of this, *ahem*, editorial, is the fact that Adam has been and continues to be so courageous, fearless in his presentation of his personal approach to sexuality! And this is what he gets for it?!!! He graciously gives an open and frank interview in which he holds nothing back and he gets PUBLICLY chastised by the editor?!!!
    Ya know what this reminds me of? I was a fundamentalist __________ for over 20 years. I fervently believed in the message of that faith and tried my best to live by it by example. But that wasn’t enough for the agenda pushing, boundary crossing fanatics. No, unless I was actively promoting my religious beliefs and pushing them on others, I wasn’t a “true believer”. They didn’t get it. No one is ever really persuaded by that kind of in-your-face disrespect of a deeply personal issue. They may be frightened or intimidated into supporting it. But they are only truly persuaded by those who live it out without compromise in their daily lives, and Adam does that. I see the same disrespect coming from those like Hicklin. Adam’s candid R&S interview wasn’t enough. Okay. So he appears on the cover of Out and gives another candid interview. Still not enough? Puh-leeeeaaaase!! There’s a saying about the fundamentalist religion I was a part of. That it’s the only army that shoots its own wounded. Well, Hicklin would make it appear that there’s another group that fits that bill. Adam has stood in the line of fire. He has been shot at and yes, I would guess, wounded to some degree emotionally. No one can be the object of such hate as what those loony demonstrators outside the Idol Tour venues aimed at him and not be affected to some degree. And we only know that side of his experience. There could have been, and probably were, death threats, etc. aimed at him. Yet he stood firm and held his head high. But again, not high enough for Hicklin. So the guns begin to be, oh-so-subtle-like, aimed at Adam’s head.
    If, as some on this thread seem to think, most of Hicklin’s ire is aimed at 19 and the Idol machine, sorry, but the facts refute this. The letter is addressed to Adam, not 19. It’s Adam he finds wanting. It’s Adam he holds accountable before the world. It’s Adam he is making demands of. It’s Adam’s highly personal forms of sexual expression he is violating.
    Oh, and it’s Adam whose name and celebrity he is using to create controversy in order to bring attention to his magazine. And that, ladies and gentleman, is the real agenda here. IMO.
    Oh, and don’t even get me started on the sexist, woman hating, “six foot Barbie doll” comment.
    And BTW, Mr. Hicklin, it was Adam Lambert and his courage to be himself, and make me love him while he did it, that convinced me to finally embrace ALL people. I was well on my way due to the prodding of my own conscience, but it’s Adam who was the catalyst for the final throwing down of my homophobic baggage. It’s people like you, Mr. Hicklin, that made it take so long.

  • dhunken

    Kanadie Bonttell
    11/17/2009 at 12:09 am

    Some of Adams band and a really hot girl‘ ¦OOOOFA!

    http://twitpic.com/pu2im

    Quick hide it from Aaron Hicklin…..I don’t want another letter….. :mrgreen:

  • BlueDiamond25

    I won’t buy OUT magazine.
    I adore Adam as a singer and entertainer.

  • tiger92

    http://twitpic.com/pu2im

    And on a purely shallow note…did anyone notice the fine “details” in this picture? Hawt looking band!

    ”side note LR is leading the concert contest”
    Can you imagine this band riding into Little Rock? heehee

  • CSFan

    Still stuck with: What if the Editor of OUT magazine had seized this opportunity to support and expand the equality message of this gigantically popular openly gay sex symbol, charming young man, and major talent whom millions of mainstream Americans already embrace.

    Just a few days ago here people were fretting Adam might barely sell 100,000 copies of his cd the first week and bemoaning the status of FYE on iTunes. NOW we’re supposed to think Adam is so popular and has such long coattails that a magazine editor thinks he can use Adam to stir up publicity or sales?

  • mr

    I just woke up to this thread- and have barely read one page of comments- but I have to say-

    I’m just getting soooooooo depressed by all the shit the gay community is giving Adam (not everyone ofcourse- but it seems lately that there’s a massive attack going on) and it’s not as though the obsticles of gaining credit from the rest of the world or over… I hope Adam is as strong as I believe he is- he just doesn’t deserve this.
    He’s such a beautiful man with a beautiful voice and refreshing energy, guts and humour- and the haters are really pathetic.
    Love you Adam- can’t wait for your music!

  • jms

    Instead of using this opportunity to help the cause, and sell a boatload of magazines, he attacked. Insanity.

    Yep. The opportunity lost makes me want to scream. Even worse is the way they portrayed him in the print edition. This is where Lily Allen’s Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PnU27cWDs) should really be directed at the Editor. They would have had an amazing opportunity for social discourse if they actually printed the full interview. And that’s if they’d only elected to print the first part. Who knows what wonderful things the rest might have. Sadly, the readers of the actual magazine will never know. All because I suspect that Adam’s point of view didn’t match the one they wanted him to have and he didn’t behave the way they wanted them to. Well, Out: Fuck You, Fuck You, Very, Very Much.

    ETA: Needing happy thoughts. Going to rewatch audition and heading to bed. Hopefully my blood pressure will be lower tomorrow.
    Oh, and GREAT post KatieJ. Thank you for sharing that. So many wonderful points.

  • http://www.dallascowboys.com GeminiDolly

    http://twitpic.com/pu2im/full

    Total hotness. Wow.

  • NewFan

    Some of Adams band and a really hot girl’ ¦OOOOFA!

    Maybe hot chick is actually in the band. I hope so. Adam can’t afford to get caught cavorting with too many more Barbie’s

  • dhunken

    NOW we’re supposed to think Adam is so popular and has such long coattails that a magazine editor thinks he can use Adam to stir up publicity or sales?

    When it comes to selling magazines Adam has proven to be a force.(RS (sold out biggest selling issue this year), EW, Details) Album sales is new territory.

  • Squirrely

    http://twitpic.com/pu2im

    And on a purely shallow note’ ¦did anyone notice the fine ‘details’  in this picture? Hawt looking band!

    on an even more shallow note – how does he get his zipper up????

  • nina.t

    Second hand embarrassment is what I’m feeling right now. I would like to know if this interviewer knows where lies the fine line between respect and disrespect. We mastered Adam’s sexuality. Long time ago. Get over it! We mastered Adam’s personality as well. Well mannered, courteous, extremely kind, respectful to others. This article proofs that. Now, what are we waiting for ? His album and his music because at the end of the day, nothing else matters. I love Adam and his voice unconditionally. I can’t stop listening to the his songs. His interpretation of We Are The Champions is still in my had/God forgive me, Fredi was Rock God/. So, live him alone please and let him do his job. Anyways, i wont read the rest of this article, I already have a bad taste in my mouth.

    7 days left, can’t wait

    Adam all the way

  • Cate

    KatieJ, what a wonderful post. Thank you so much for that. Please accept a great, big cyber hug from me!

  • NewFan

    And on a purely shallow note

    This is what makes me wonder and worry about those extraordinarily tight jeans. Especially the green ones – yeah you know the ones.

    ****************We get new music soon****************

  • abbysee

    did anyone notice the fine ‘details’  in this picture? Hawt looking band!

    how does he get his zipper up????

    LMAO!!!!!!

  • wyked_whyspers

    Ya know, it kinda seems to me that Whatdaya Want From Me is almost a perfect response to this editors letter. I wonder if they got a copy ahead of time prior to releasing that song?

    Just speculating, probably nothing to do with each other, but who knows?

    Anyhow, the guys a douche and Adam will survive all this nonsense. Does anyone know where we can see the back of Adam’s album cover that some people have posted about?

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ yeahmusicagain

    I just posted this response to Out Magazine:Re: Aaron Hicklin’s letter, I think it’s incredibly disingenuous to present yourselves as taking the high road when you agreed to 19’s conditions for the in-depth interview with Adam Lambert and cover shoot. You come back months later and complain? Well, you got the interview, the hits, and the attention. The real high road would have been to not accept those terms and you could have written about the unacceptable terms at the time. Instead you chose to get in line with many other publications and blogs that want to garner some attention via Adam Lambert. I think that your approach is short sighted and self-serving and that’s my generous interpretation of your bone-headedness. You’ll probably make nice later as Adam Lambert continues to become an even more positive force in the gay community.

    If 19 tried to “ungay” any part of the cover shoot or interview, then shame on them, too.
    Dhunken, wonderful posts today, thanks.

  • http://www.f3properties.com Animated

    http://twitpic.com/pu2im

    Wicked ! This is Adam’s band ?!! Need to see Adam perform live with this wicked awesomeness !

    And back to Mr.Editor Out Mag – You know, all he had to do is just say – No thank you 19M. We will just look for another celebrity to feature.-
    But they did not, the pursued and did not let up , until they had him on the cover , until they had Adam interviewed and featured ;they even connected snippets of the interview to sensationalize the mag promotions .
    So ? why the long faces? Sales not enough ? You need more of Adam to meet revenue targets ?

  • Truthiness

    CSFan
    11/17/2009 at 12:16 am
    Still stuck with: What if the Editor of OUT magazine had seized this opportunity to support and expand the equality message of this gigantically popular openly gay sex symbol, charming young man, and major talent whom millions of mainstream Americans already embrace.

    Just a few days ago here people were fretting Adam might barely sell 100,000 copies of his cd the first week and bemoaning the status of FYE on iTunes. NOW we’re supposed to think Adam is so popular and has such long coattails that a magazine editor thinks he can use Adam to stir up publicity or sales?

    Well as people were saying when Adam’s single wasn’t selling well, but the Details magazine was selling out, maybe his fans are hung up on buying magazines, and not his music? I keed.

    But yeah, OUT has a small readership, but Adam has seemed to help magazine covers he was on. But beyond that, the VV making an article about this letter and it’s going to a more amount of people than would normally ever see or buy OUT, does mean this is getting a bigger audience than it would normally get. So if that was Hicklin’s point of getting more exposure for his magazine through some of the Idol stuff, okay. Problem is that I agree with mj that management of other people who might otherwise go on the cover, probaby wouldn’t be too thrilled with this. And I think they lost a lot of those Adam fan sales. I don’t know if they hope to increase their sales from the publicity through this? Because who this would appeal to who would buy their magazine, eludes me.

    I’m just left still wondering WHY Hicklin would do this? Other than ego and butthurt over their perceived competitor of Details.

    Oh and I certainly wouldn’t expect Adam to show up at their 100 party now.

    Anyhew, love the picture of the band and dayum! That girl is like seriously hott. I know, she’s just a “Barbie,”cuz’ pretty wimmnes are all like that.

  • SybilTrelawney

    What? Is Bikini Girl part of Adam’s band? ;-)

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ anthrogeek

    KatieJ, saw your great post in the other thread earlier and commented about it there. Meanwhile:

    tiger92: You can go on line and read the next three parts of the wonderful interview you mentioned. Buying the magazine WILL NOT get you the amazing interview that was posted here today.
    I’m not buying it. In my eyes, they used Adam.

    Me neither. I was going to, too, as I mentioned earlier today before this lame-ass editor’s real feelings were made public. I’ll read it online for the reasons I just stated in the other thread, but I won’t be spending any money on it. Publications don’t make much on magazine sales themselves, so it won’t bother them much; however, if people really wanted to express their displeasure, let the advertisers know – believe you me, they’re the ones in ultimate control of the purse strings. When the circulation numbers go down, dragging ad rates along with them, that’ll be a much bigger issue for the rag than Adam going down on some girl back in his randy youth.

  • skat-girl@allycatlover

    JMO but I’m happy that the Hickler called 19 and Adam out on their shit. I’m so tired of that “I’m bi-curious” shit. JMO though

  • webster

    ETA: Not to mention all the magazine sells from Adam fans Out just lost. Also, Hicklin is probably leveraging the situation for publicity, but I don’t believe he’s lying.

    No way can I read back through the comments, so if this is answered earlier, I’ll just miss out, but: what do you mean? Why would Hicklins comments keep Adam fan from buying Out? I just read his editorial, and it seemed totally reasonable and not at all offensive to fans. What am I missing?

    And I totally applaud him for calling out Adam’s management, if what he says is true. All the pseudo-heterosexual stuff they’re doing to promote him is so stupid – it actually takes away from his appeal, IMO, because it seems so contrived, silly and pandering.

    I mean, I always found myself out-of-synch with the fans who were big on him singing “woman” in WLL, because I thought it took away from emotional impact of the performance, but I never got the feeling that that was any significant thing to the fans. But maybe there was enough made of that type of thing that his mgmt actually got the idea that his fans care about seeing him be a pretend heterosexual. Whatever portion actually cares about that, if any, shouldn’t be seen as the norm that must be catered to.

    But even if that’s so, it doesn’t follow that fans would turn on Out. For one thing, when people buy a magazine solely for an interview that they can read entirely on-line for free anyway, the editorial (and any other) content of the magazine is irrelevant. The celebrity is all that matters.

  • ianaleah

    The hello with Out magazine. Adam’s life and his career belong to him and he is a whole person not just his sexuality.

  • GaryJ

    If Adam’s management is namby-pamby in trying to re-cloak his sexuality, then why did they OK his FYE album cover?

    And, IMO, Adam is curious about sex with women because he only got as far as second base. He never went all the way. He had sex with a girl when he was a teenager. If he did it once, he can do it again. I don’t accept that he is 100% gay. I know that I will be torn apart for saying that, because it’s not PC. But I honestly believe it.

  • ggdoorsfan

    Just as 19M has no noble intentions , but only profitable ones, Out is showing in this editorial that they too are the same. There are no permanent friends in business only permanent interests.

    best comment of the night – cuts through all this bs and back and forth… everybody involved in this is pushing an agenda… there are no innocent parties here… everyone, including adam, is jockeying for position to be a player in this peeing contest.. high stakes all around, but everybody is going to lose something when the dust settles… how much, and the long term effect tbd… no winners to be had here, no innocents, so let the games continue… ”for our entertainment”, cause the music has become irrelevant, which is a doggone shame… call me old school, i don’t care, cause it’s all about the music for me… que sera, sera…

  • Truthiness

    What? Is Bikini Girl part of Adam’s band?

    I wish, I think she’s just part of the video. But I wish she was, despite being just a “Barbie.”

    But even if that’s so, it doesn’t follow that fans would turn on Out. For one thing, when people buy a magazine solely for an interview that they can read entirely on-line for free anyway, the editorial (and any other) content of the magazine is irrelevant. The celebrity is all that matters.

    Well I think the rest of this thread addresses the rest of your question, I know you said you’re not going to read back through it. Maybe someone will go through it all again. But yes, only the celebrity matters for Adam fans, and I think the editor-in-chief just harmed the celebrity I was going to buy his magazine for, with a passive-aggressive, condesending and oh yeah, not woman friendly, editorial.

    So yeah, not getting a red cent from me. Others can, that’s cool.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ anthrogeek

    GaryJ: I don’t accept that he is 100% gay. I know that I will be torn apart for saying that, because it’s not PC. But I honestly believe it.

    Firstly, did you not read the article? Isn’t that precisely what Adam’s saying, that it’s not a black and white issue and that there are shades of gray to sexuality? Just goes to prove my point that the contents of the interview itself are now totally overshadowed by a tiny comment about one random sexual encounter back when he was still practically a virgin, and it’s all anyone wants to talk about.

    Secondly, I don’t know what being PC has to do with 100% gay – see above.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    It always comes down to whether you think Adam is an honest person or not. Adam says he’s gay, but somewhat curious about exploring other avenues. I don’t see why it’s a big deal one way or another.

    So why do people get so up in arms? I think it comes down to whether you believe sexuality is fluid or not, or whether you believe the Kinsey scale has any merit. If you accept these ideas, then you probably have no issue with Adam stating he is bi-curious.

    If you are the type of person who believes everything is black and white, i.e. you are either gay or straight, then I suspect you can’t understand how someone who is gay can be curious about the opposite sex. Therefore the only answer for you is that Adam is lying.

    I think some people may be afraid of the idea that sexuality can be fluid because it might mean their own sexuality is fluid, and that might make them uncomfortable. I think at the end of the day, it’s all about our own sexuality and not Adam’s. He seems to content and happy with who he is. :)

    I”m in the fluid camp, and I believe Adam is an honest person. I pretty much take at face value what he says in his interview.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    I just deleted an email that posted OUT’s twitter address with the suggestion that people tweet their complaints.

    If cray cray fans want to harass the press, please leave my blog out of it. I actually have specific rules in my guidelines about NOT using my comments section to rally the troups.

  • webster

    Ok, I was just too curious, so I did read back a page and it appears that some people actually do see the editorial as negative and so aren’t buying the magazine (I assume that means they were otherwise going to). I still don’t get it, but that’s OK. Magazines compromise all the time to get the stories they want, or close to it. They had to compromise to get this interview, and, judging by the quality of the interview, that’s a good thing – it’s a good interview to have exist out in the world. Infinitely better than the Details article. And why not call 19E out on stupid conditions? It can’t possibly hurt, and might even help, in the long run.

    (and a meta comment: there’s obviously a good discussion going on here and I wish it was easier to get to the beginning and generally navigate around in the comments, as of old. I just can’t find a way to combine proper netiquette and reasonable time expenditure.)

  • rihannsu

    Delurking just to say that I’ve seen many comments mentioning how both WWFM and MP are really hitting home given this fiasco and it really makes me wonder it the sudden release of those particular tracks was a pre-emptive answer to the editor. It seems quite possible that they got wind of the open letter and could very well have released those songs specifically because their lyrics would be appropos to the situation. Also, timeline is definitely important in this whole issue because since OUT has been negotiating for a cover of some sort as the editor states since before the show ended, not only were initial discussions more likely about a single appearance not related to the OUT 100 list but also they went through negotiating under the original Idol show contract to negotiating with Adam’s management after signing his current contract. Since they would not have granted a cover during the show regardless there still could have been multiple possibilities. It could be that 19 did not want to agree to a regular cover issue because that would feed more into emphasizing Adam’s sexuality over the music and those demands might have been in regards to a regular issue cover then once Adam was chosen for the OUT 100 list they may have agreed precisely because the cover for that is usually a group. It is also quite possible that management in the beginning back when these negotiations would have had to have taken place WAS trying to keep Adam from being “too gay” and that Adam has since fought for the right to present himself as he wishes. The album cover decision was made long after this magazine deal would have been decided so maybe they were boxing Adam in and he put a stop to it, hence the album cover. Personally after reading part one of the online interview it seems the portions quoted in the actual print issue were chosen to make Adam sound arrogant and bitchy as well as unusually foul mouthed. It looks like they concentrated all of the curse word usage into that short little print piece as well as chosing the most unflattering quotes possible so that makes it look even more like they are throwing him under the bus.

  • BeckyMD

    a thread in ontd_ai says myspace is going to stream FYE tonight. Below is a screencap, but I can’t find the stream in myspace.

    http://i38.tinypic.com/evcpcj.png
    http://i35.tinypic.com/b3ptmd.jpg

    ETA: It’s on music myspace front page now.
    http://music.myspace.com/

  • zzatrms

    abbysee …. earlier you made me cry when you shared about your brother.

    Now I am lmao over this – You go girl ….

    I don’t buy cds with my libido, or vulva, but with hard earned money, and it’s sexless.

  • natsmavenus

    The coward editor at OUT didn’t have the guts to print the full text of Adam’s interview in the print edition because it would have shown what an open, honest, and proudly gay man Adam is. This would have been completely at odds with the venomous tone and content of the editorial, so they buried the interview on line. Some of the comments in the Dear Adam letter were threatening and condescending. I hope Adam never gives OUT the time of day again.

  • jill16

    I haven’t read through any of the comments, so this may have been addressed. I really think the time has come where Adam needs to put a stop to constantly being asked about his private life and about being gay. The media seems to love it, but his fans don’t give a rip.

    The subject has been discussed and rehashed to point of beating a dead horse. I just know when Adam does the Ellen show, she will bring it up. I think Adam should stipulate from now on, that the subject is off limits. Actually, I think daytime and nighttime talk shows do ask what can and cannot be discussed.

    Of course, there could be the argument that Adam shouldn’t have done Out magazine if he didn’t want to discuss being gay. But I’m under the impression that straight people have been on the cover and featured in their magazine as well.

    I don’t understand why his sexuality has to be so scrutinized, and whos business is it anyway?

    That letter from the editor is just all sorts of wrong. What is he gaining from it? Publicity, I guess.

  • NewFan

    I’m happy that the Hickler called 19 and Adam out on their shit. I’m so tired of that ‘I’m bi-curious’  shit.

    Admit it or not, at one time or another, I think that most of us are at least a little bit bi-curious? The first time we heard it from Adam was during an interview with Laura Saltzman, after the AI season, but before the Rolling Stone article. She asked him about being bi-curious and he said “well you’re helping me with that”. It was a spontaneous reaction. They were flirting and having fun and that, I think, is the spirit of Adam’s bi-curious comments. He’s flirtatious, having fun and letting go (especially with cocktails) enough to be a bit curious as well.

    Now maybe 19 has asked him to play this up or make it his party line. Or maybe he’s just kinda painted himself into a corner by mistake. Maybe. Who knows.

    The response itself seems a whole lot less spontaneous, now, than it did at first. And I suspect that this comment is a lot like the comment that he made about Kris. There was some truth in it … and innocent enough … a no big deal kind of thing … but everybody wanted to slant it and make more out of it than there really was. And they trapped him in it; asked about it so many, many times that all of the spontaneous truth in it has been thoroughly been beaten to death. He has said that he regretted the Kris comment and I bet he really wishes that he had never let the bi-curious comment slip either.

    JMHO (or thinking out loud and guessing)

  • natsmavenus

    Adam just tweeted a plug for Monte Pittman’s CD. So he’s moved on. Wish I could, but I’m still pissed!

  • http://www.fatladysings.us TFLS

    There’s a lot I have to say about this – but it’s gonna take some thought. In the interim – let me underline that it is not Adam’s job to represent all that is gay in America….yet everyone seems damn determined to force him into that mold – whether he wants it or not. Can’t Adam just be…….Adam? That glittery alien from the planet Fierce? He’s not uniquely representative of the gay community any more than say, RuPaul, John Barrowman or Rosie O’Donnell. Conversely ‘“ I’m not the quintessential Irish lass ‘“ though I proudly declaim my heritage. I believe Hicklin is indeed grasping Adam’s coattails; and in doing so desperately trying to force his issue ‘“ his, not Adam’s. And I get it. I really do. Being gay in America these days is a stone bitch ‘“ and it shouldn’t be.

    But why must Adam be either/or? I took umbrage at Hicklin’s dismissal of the female model photographed naked (or nearly so) with Adam for another publication. Why can’t he enjoy that? Is there a rule? Well it’s wrong. Maybe it’s a feature of the era I matured in ‘“ but sexuality was more fluid back in the 70’s/80’s. Bi-curious was more norm than outr. People would describe themselves as being gender oriented, rather than specific ‘“ kinda like Fergie today: male oriented but not specific. What was it she said recently? She’s had lots of fun with girls. Not now that she’s married (she believes in monogamy) ‘“ but before, she dated whomever floated her boat. Why can’t that be OK ‘as is’? Tis a puzzlement. It sounds kinda funny for me to say ‘“ but this old fogy’s got a younger view of the world than people half my age.

  • BeckyMD

    myspace music is going to premiere FYE.

    http://music.myspace.com/

  • HotHotHot

    I have difficulty believing that Adam did not have some say in 19’s dealing with Out. I think the editor is mad because Adam came out in RS instead of Out. He is mad that Adam was on Details and came to Out last. He is mad that Adam refuses to follow his agenda and become a gay poster boy who sings instead of a great singer who happens to be gay. Guess he just isn’t gay enough for Out. Maybe he needs to walk around with a big sign on his chest that says GAY. He gave them a great interview and they chopped it to pieces and only included the parts that made him look bad. Great job, Out (NOT). I won’t be buying your magazine either and I hope Adam will be too busy to attend your party or ever be in your magazine again.

  • bridgeymah

    myspace music is going to premiere FYE.

    http://music.myspace.com/

    I don’t see it? Is the the whole album or single or???

  • melicert

    I don’t know if this has been said yet, but the editor guy also compared kissing a woman to kissing an animal. isn’t this a tactic that homophobes have used for years to denigrate gay people?

  • skat-girl@allycatlover

    melicert
    11/17/2009 at 1:55 am
    I don’t know if this has been said yet, but the editor guy also compared kissing a woman to kissing an animal. isn’t this a tactic that homophobes have used for years to denigrate gay people?

    OUT is a gay magazine, The editor guy is gay. This is one of the only times where Adam fans can’t blame the damn homophobes.

  • NewFan

    I don’t know if this has been said yet, but the editor guy also compared kissing a woman to kissing an animal. isn’t this a tactic that homophobes have used for years to denigrate gay people?

    ooooops … and there goes the lesbian readership …

    I think this dude hates his job and doesn’t want to keep it much longer …

  • BeckyMD

    myspace music is going to premiere FYE.
    http://music.myspace.com/

    I don’t see it? Is the the whole album or single or???

    Click the music tag and you could see it. Here is a screencap.

    http://i38.tinypic.com/evcpcj.png

    I think it’s going to be the whole album. kids on ontd_ai suspect it’ll be on 3am EST.

  • bridgeymah

    Click the music tag and you could see it. Here is a screencap.

    Yep clicked all that still don’t see it… will check back later. Maybe I need to login to see it…

  • Jhoy2theworld

    I’ve read the letter and the interview. I wasn’t going to do it at first but I got curious on how Adam answered the questions. And boy, do I love Adam even more. He is really staying true to himself. His “master plan” is to be an entertainer, record songs and give a great show…period. From the very start, he doesn’t want any labels and be a spokesperson for some kind of agenda or movement. He just wants to sing!!! It’s so funny, but there are more straight people that get him, I think. His song, “What Do You Want From Me”, is so appropriate. You just can’t please everybody.

  • http://twitter.com/glamtwinkle twinkle

    suuuuure hicklin. whatever you say. if 19 is really trying to push adam back into the closet… welcome to Closet Earth. don’t bump your head on the hangers.

    i think 19 is fully aware that the jig is up. and i dont find the whole “bi-curious” thing anything that requires “calling out”. there is something called the Kinsey Scale and very few people are completely straight or completely gay. sexuality is very fluid. i think it would be only natural, even if you were VERY gay as i think adam is, to be intrigued by this sexual energy that is now being hurled at him by thousands of women. i’m a straight female and very much like guys… but if all of a sudden thousands of women were lusting after me, i might pause and consider…wonder what it was all about…be curious which i think is all adam is saying.

  • JosieX

    I’m just left still wondering WHY Hicklin would do this? Other than ego and butthurt over their perceived competitor of Details.

    Truthiness, I think that he is trying to manipulate Adam. He thinks that he has presented Adam with the choice of either stepping up to play his role as the “gay poster boy” the way that Hicklin thinks he ought to, or accept that he is being used by soulless corporate minions who do not accept who Adam really is. I think he knows good and well that Adam is quite happy with blurring the lines around his sexual preference, not because he is ashamed of it, but because he really does think “sexy is sexy”, and he wants people of all persuasions to find him appealing and feel valued by him as fans. I believe that Hicklin does not like this attitude, and he decided to do something about it. I’m sure he is telling the truth about Adam’s people wanting to manage his image. But I think he is being disingenous in claiming that Adam is being thwarted by his management and not able to be true to himself. Adam is being himself, the self he wants to be, not the self that Hicklin thinks he should be. That’s my opinion of what’s going on here.

  • tootheatrical

    ITA with so many really insightful comments here so no need to repeat them, but there is one word I would like to add in describing the editor: rude. It’s like inviting someone to your home as a guest of honor and just before your guest gets up to speak you “Kanye” him (“Imma let you finish, but . . . ) and start talking about how difficult it was to get him to show up, and dissing his management, and telling him what you think he should say and what this image should be and THEN . . . you introduce him as your honored guest and give him the floor to show what it was about him that prompted you to honor him in the first place. Oh, wait — except you don’t even do that: you cut the speech down to out-of-context snippets and sound bites . . . and if anyone is interested, well, you can hear the whole speech back here in the kitchen.

    Of course he is also stupid. If he really did have a genuine concern about this, why not do it in the next edition? He could discuss the success of the “100” issue, thank Adam fans for their support/comments (which, as we saw in the other thread, would have mostly been positive) and then share his concerns about 19 and maybe open a legitimate dialogue.

    Gay magazine or not, this man shows that at his self-serving core, he has no manners and no class. And apparently he is also a proud graduate of the Hi Fi School of Journalism.

  • BestAI

    Isn’t Zac Baird in Adam’s band? I don’t see him in that pic.

  • Truthiness

    This is one of the only times where Adam fans can’t blame the damn homophobes.

    It’s not homophobia they’re talking about when it’s a gay guy talking about kissing women is comparable to kissing an animal, it’s misogyny. Which if that is what he was saying, it would be as stupid and denigrating as some saying that gays getting married would be the same as allowing people to marry box turtles, or things of that ilk. I actually happen to disagree that is what the editor was doing, so I absolve him of denigration of women there. However he gets no such pass on calling the model a 6 foot Barbie. Which I do think is a misogynistic statement. And if you think that gay men can’t be misogynistic, I don’t know what to tell you. Sadly there is a whole ‘ewwwww women!’ part of the gay male community. Obviously not all, or even a majority, thankfully. Hence Cindy Lauper being on the cover as an Ally. But maybe it should be Ally Barbie…now with appropriate gay friendly accesories you can dress her in!

  • melicert

    I’m not blaming homophobes for the editor’s comments – I’m just saying the editor is comparing kissing an individual of the opposite sex to kissing an animal, which is just as offensive as comparing homosexuality to bestiality, which has been done, wrongly, for a long time by homophobic people.

  • BeckyMD
  • BestAI

    http://twitpic.com/pu2im

    I wanted to post that pic with my comment. I thought Zac Baird was in Adam’s band. Don’t see him in the pic.

  • NewFan

    Isn’t this a tactic that homophobes have used for years to denigrate gay people?

    OUT is a gay magazine, The editor guy is gay. This is one of the only times where Adam fans can’t blame the damn homophobes.

    Hi skat lover:

    Your comment doesn’t address the one that you’ve quoted so it doesn’t make too much sense. (But, sorry, that’s the teacher type part of me that’s talking.)

    Actually, anyone can be homophobic … even people who are gay. This kind of thing can happen to any people(s) who do not ‘belong’ to the dominant group in society … but grew up in it and learned it’s prejudices along the way. Unconsciously, but justifiably, we all want “to belong” and/or we don’t want to be persecuted by the larger societal group that discriminates against us… so we absorb and adopt group-think and can end up being kind of self-hating. So homophobic people can be gay … and people with disabilities can have prejudices towards other people who are “more disabled” than they are. Etc. It’s a really unfortunate, horribly ironic, occurrence. It’s not universal and people can escape it … but there it is … we can adopt societies attitudes and apply them to ourselves in prejudicial ways.

    So, yes, Adam fans can be angry at homophobic people who are gay.

  • iluvai

    OUT is a gay magazine, The editor guy is gay. This is one of the only times where Adam fans can’t blame the damn homophobes.

    That doesn’t make any sense. Homophobes can be gay or straight.

  • Janus

    New Tweet from Adam:

    @adamlambert My band and I on set! Lisa on keys, Monte on guitar, Tommy on bass, and Longineu on drums. These musicians are the best!!!
    2 minutes ago from Echofon

  • skat-girl@allycatlover

    “OUT is a gay magazine, The editor guy is gay. This is one of the only times where Adam fans can’t blame the damn homophobes.

    Hi skat lover:

    Your comment doesn’t address the one that you’ve quoted so it doesn’t make too much sense. (But, sorry, that’s the teacher type part of me that’s talking.)

    Actually, anyone can be homophobic ‘ ¦ even people who are gay. This can happen to people who do not ‘belong’ to the dominant group in society but grew up in it and learned it’s prejudices along the way. Unconsciously, but justifiably, we all want ‘to belong’  and/or we don’t want to be persecuted by the larger societal group that discriminates against us’ ¦ so we absorb and adopt group-think and can end up being kind of self-hating. So homophobic people can be gay ‘ ¦ and people with disabilities can have prejudices towards other people who are more disabled than they are. Etc.

    So, yes, Adam fans can be angry at homophobic people who are gay.”

    The man is the editor for one of the biggest gay magazine’s in the world complaining about gay people slowly backing back into the closet(at least that’s what I got from it) I don’t think he’s homophobic. Did I say that all gay people can’t be homophobic? no I didn’t I said that this is one of the only times where Adam fans can’t blame the damn homophobes.

  • NewFan

    Wow and Yes! Hot bikini girl is on keys.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    tootheatrical
    11/17/2009 at 2:10 am
    ITA with so many really insightful comments here so no need to repeat them, but there is one word I would like to add in describing the editor: rude. It’s like inviting someone to your home as a guest of honor and just before your guest gets up to speak you ‘Kanye’  him (‘ Imma let you finish, but . . . ) and start talking about how difficult it was to get him to show up, and dissing his management, and telling him what you think he should say and what this image should be and THEN . . . you introduce him as your honored guest and give him the floor to show what it was about him that prompted you to honor him in the first place. Oh, wait ‘” except you don’t even do that: you cut the speech down to out-of-context snippets and sound bites . . . and if anyone is interested, well, you can hear the whole speech back here in the kitchen.

    And this disturbs me so much. Not only is it rude and crass, but there is betrayal here. It’s a betrayal of ethics to make public a dispute that should have remained private. If I were a gay celebrity I would certainly think twice about any such “honors” proposed by a magazine that feels free to make such business revelations public and to pass judgment on them.

    It’s a betrayal of personal trust to invite someone to be “honored” and then turn around and stab him in the back.

    There is a betrayal of Adam as an out and proud gay man to call his sexuality and his honesty into question, while paying lip service to same.

    There is betrayal to the young gay people wondering what their lives will be like when and if they come out. Will they have to worry about acceptance from both straight and gays? Do they have to hide in order not to be humiliated? Does success mean placing a bulls eye on their forehead and dodging the arrows slung by their fellow gays?

    All this will pass. But it hurts me to think of Adam betrayed by people who should have been celebrating his courage and his honesty.

    I guess that’s the bottom line for me. Aaron Hicklin has made it brutally clear to Adam that he is alone and that acceptance is conditional.
    That has to hurt Adam. And that just makes me sad.

  • BestAI

    Looks like Adam just answered my question. Zac is not in his band. A really hot girl for the guys to drool over. What a hot band.

    Oh, and don’t call her bikini girl. I thought bg was unattractive. This girl is gorgeous.

  • lorismile

    With all the controversy, I knew we would get some news from him!! He is very savvy. Knows how to turn the conversation back to what counts, the music.

  • http://twitter.com/glamtwinkle twinkle

    just read part 2 and now i am even more upset about this editor nonsense because it is a FANTASTIC interview and this crap is distracting from it. there are too many parts of his responses that i find enlightening, brilliant and endearing so i wont bother quoting any, but please read it. boycott the hell out of the magazine but the full transcript of the interview deserves to be read.

    bravo adam!

  • BeckyMD

    I almost cried reading the end of Adam’s Out interview:

    What else do you want to talk about?

    I don’t know. [Long pause.] My job is to make this look easy and fun. That’s the illusion, the vibe I’m trying to create for people to feel. That’s what I want to do as an entertainer, create a mood that rubs off on people. This is scary, and it is a lot of work. And I’m OK, I’ll be fine. But, wow, this is a lot. And I hope that people are compassionate about that. I took a chance, stepped my life up a little, have some opportunities, have a little money, and I’m doing the best I can. I’m doing the best I fucking can, you know?

  • Truthiness

    ? I didn’t I said that this is one of the only times where Adam fans can’t blame the damn homophobes.

    Well okay, but no Adam fan was in fact blaming it on homophobes, so your statement has no basis in what the person was saying, or what other what othr fans are saying. I’ve seen a lot of pissed off statements, but homophobia isn’t anything I’ve seen this person called. And again to underline this, neither was the person whose quote you were responding to. They were saying that equating kissing girls to kissing animals was denigrating as saying gays being allowed to marry would be like people marrying box turtles. That denigration of women is just as uncool as the kind of denigration gays rightfully despise. Though again, I disagree that was what the editor was saying, but that’s separate from the original point of the person’s post.

    Ohhhh the woman IS on keyboards and part of the band, nice! That is one good looking band.

  • Finn

    Wow. How could you write that editor’s letter after reading that open, honest and vulnerable interview.

  • Kanadie Bonttell

    NVM

  • NewFan

    I don’t think he’s homophobic. Did I say that all gay people can’t be homophobic? no I didn’t I said that this is one of the only times where Adam fans can’t blame the damn homophobes.

    Yep, you’re absolutely right. The editor guy is saying that Adam’s management is backing him up into the closet. And if they have been trying to make him look ‘less gay’ then the editor guy has a good reason to be critical. But he doesn’t have a good reason to be critical if he’s just upset that Adam has been talking about being bi-curious. If that’s the case then editor guy is being homophobic. He isn’t accepting all aspects of Adam’s sexuality and, by extension, he isn’t accepting the sexuality of gay men, as a group, when their sexuality doesn’t fit with his own ideas about what gay sexuality should be. Adam can be bi-curious. He can say so. He can do a Details spread with a model. These things don’t mean that he or his management are promoting a lie or backing him into the closet. Saying that would be homophobic.

    But really and truly I’m not trying to best you in an argument here. I’m sorry that I drew myself into it. Actually, I think you’re saying that Adam’s fans blame the damn homophobes too often. And that’s a really general statement that is kind of hurtful. Adam’s fans aren’t one big group that blames Adam’s own mistakes or the bad stuff that may happen to him … on the homophobes. Please give us more credit than that. We really are individuals. MJ’s blog should show that we don’t always agree with each other … and I, for one, am not blaming anything on anybody. That takes too much energy and what would be the point? I mean really, it’s 3 a.m. :smile:

  • sumwhut

    part two of the out interview really got to me. Adam was so vulnerable in his remarks. I know most of us that have posted would like to give him just a big group hug…but we can buy all his stuff and promote him in our own little way and he will feel the love.
    I also reread the letter from the editor very carefully. I don’t think it is a direct attack on Adam at all. He is going after adam’s management and label and I think he makes some very valid points..I know adam has said he has gotten nothing but support from rca/19, but what else can he say at this point? Adam is a gracious guy and he has acknowledged that he is a business man. You aren’t going to bite the hand that feeds you.
    Lambert fans have also questioned the way he is being handled. Like is the single, FYE, really being promoted? Now we hear the WWFM is being played. hmmmm maybe FYE is too gay?! (or at least brings gay sex to mind)

  • manhe2009

    adamlambert – Lisa on keys, Monte on Guitar, Tommy on Bass, and Longineu on Drums! http://twitpic.com/pukkb

    1 minute ago.

    AWESOME !!!

  • lorismile

    He was so open in part 2…even in talking about Drake. Seems to me the editor should have read Adam’s answer to the last question in Out magazine part 2

    “I’m doing the best I fucking can, you know?”

    This is one magazine I soooo would love to have in my collection, but I just refuse to give them any of my money.

  • NewFan

    Oh, and don’t call her bikini girl. I thought bg was unattractive. This girl is gorgeous.

    Ok. I will never call her bikini girl again. “Lisa” it is … from now on.

  • BeckyMD
  • Kanadie Bonttell
  • NewFan

    Hi BeckyMD

    The link connects me to http://www.myspace.com/adamlambert. It doesn’t go to /index.cfm? etc. Your excitement is contagious … but I can’t find anything on the myspace page. Do I need to have a myspace page of my own … or is there another way in?

    Actually, I bet you’re listening and won’t be back to answer my question. Hmmmm poor me :lol:

  • lorismile

    WOOOHOOO……so glad I couldn’t sleep tonight!!!

  • dietcoke
  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    wowowowowowowow!!!!!

  • mr

    Hey- judging from the twitpic- the bikini girl is NOT Lisa the keyboard player…
    Not that it matters, just pointing out the misunderstanding…

    And I’m toally not getting the live stream either!!! Woe is me…

  • zzatrms
  • lorismile

    Wow his voice is amazing on Soaked!

  • Esqt

    OMG…THANK YOU FOR YOUR MUSIC, ADAM!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    A Loaded smile is heartbreakingly beautiful

  • francegf

    listening now! why didn’t Adam tweet about this? album’s amazing!!!

  • bridgeymah

    Ok really annoyed as I can get to the page but nothing plays for me – either a mac issue or it is blocked from playing internationally… WTF Grrrrr

  • LindaT

    BeckyMD
    11/17/2009 at 2:38 am
    I almost cried reading the end of Adam’s Out interview

    Well, I hate to admit it but I almost started crying, too. The end of Part 2 of the interview really got to me, as did this part:

    “The other thing that’s really hard is that you have to decide whether or not you have the focus and the energy to give to the other person. That’s a difficult thing, too. And who knows what the future could hold with that. I might have to say, ‘You know, this is how much I love you, that I have to let you go. I can’t give you what you deserve right now, so this isn’t going to work.’  Hopefully it works. I want it to. But we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. Out of the love I have for him, I don’t want to neglect it. [Sighs.] God, I can’t believe I’m saying all this. I think we put all these expectations on relationships and create this idea of, oh, this is how it’s supposed to be, because this is what all these other relationships that I see, that’s how they are. I think it’s really hard but really necessary to be like, but what are my needs? And what are your needs? And that’s our relationship. And that’s the hardest thing, because no one tells you how to do that.”

    This really got to me for some reason. Probably because it expresses some universal truths about relationships. It’s true that we do place a lot of expectations on relationships, particularly when we are young and less experienced. There really isn’t a relationship blueprint — it’s just something that we have to work out for ourselves. And it’s that much harder when you are living in the public eye. Well, not to sound like a sap, but I hope the next relationship turns out better for Adam. He seems like a nice person, and he deserves happiness (as do we all!).

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    bridgeymah
    11/17/2009 at 3:27 am
    Ok really annoyed as I can get to the page but nothing plays for me ‘“ either a mac issue or it is blocked from playing internationally’ ¦ WTF Grrrrr

    Try this:

    http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music.artistalbums&artistid=12062273&albumid=14237058

  • NewFan

    bridgeymah

    are you outside of the United States? I can’t get to it either. Thanks for the other link dietcoke but I’ll have to keep trying.

  • lorismile

    He sounds so heartbreaking on Loaded Smile.

  • jenrdr
  • bridgeymah

    New Fan – yep I am in Australia, I think they have international IP addresses where the Album isn’t available yet blocked…

    Which is just STUPID.

  • NewFan

    Thanks everybody for the links !!! but no go as yet … Sounds like you’re enjoying it though

    bridgeymah

    I’m in Canada and, you’re right, it seems to be blocked.

    This is cruel and unusual punishment. But we don’t give in that easily. Right? right.

  • lorismile

    I really like Pick U Up. Wow it did end before the money note on the long snippet leak!

    OMG….love his little laugh at the end of this song!

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    Holy shit!!! Fever!!

  • lorismile

    Sorry NewFan and brideymah…..I’ll try not to gush anymore!!

    It’s really wonderful so far!

  • zzatrms
  • lorismile

    Holy shit!!! Fever!!

    DITTO!!

  • francegf

    are you able to play Music Again? I was able to listen to all of the songs except Music Again and FYE. Fever is my fave so far.

  • BeckyMD

    Broken Open is so beautiful~~~

    are you able to play Music Again?

    I think it’s not available now.

  • Kanadie Bonttell
  • bridgeymah

    This is cruel and unusual punishment. But we don’t give in that easily. Right? right.

    New Fan no we don’t and we can only hope that some industrious person captures these somehow to post somewhere so we CAN listen to them…

  • francegf

    adam’s been playing with his twitter profile pic and background. he used a “Shhh..” profile pic (new, i think) and then changed again. Background is a cool kaleidoscope of adam licking himself…(oops, that didn’t sound right.) http://twitter.com/adamlambert

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    Broken Open breaks me. Quiet. Perfection.

  • BeckyMD

    adamlambert

    1. Cant change bio!!! For whatever reason, once one becomes “verified” all info is locked… less than a minute ago from web
    2. @zulugirl13 Yes! that IS Orianthi on Sleepwalker! 2 minutes ago from web in reply to zulugirl13
    3. @Vida15 yeah i did! :) Held auditions and these were the BEST! about 1 hour ago from web in reply to Vida15

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    bridgeymah
    11/17/2009 at 3:53 am
    This is cruel and unusual punishment. But we don’t give in that easily. Right? right.

    New Fan no we don’t and we can only hope that some industrious person captures these somehow to post somewhere so we CAN listen to them’ ¦

    I am so sorry, guys…. :(

  • tootheatrical

    I. am. spent.

  • zzatrms

    are you able to play Music Again? I was able to listen to all of the songs except Music Again and FYE. Fever is my fave so far.

    No, I can’t listen to those 2.

    I liked Fever before …. I LOVE it in full version.

    Broken Open and Soaked are beautiful.

    Imagine how happy everyone will be when they wake up to this.

  • NewFan

    bridgymah

    well friend. i think we’re screwed. the closest i’ve gotten was to … this page

    http://us.myspace.com/

    and i got there by going through my myspace account to myspace international and United States English

    but then i click on “listen” and I get booted right back to Adam’s myspace page where there is nothing.

    all roads kick you back to Adam’s goddamn myspace page

    but at least the reviews are great. keep gushing everybody. let us know all about the treat we’re looking forward to …

  • bridgeymah

    Imagine how happy everyone will be when they wake up to this.

    I think I may have to stay away for a bit – reading all the reactions to the songs and not being able to listen to them is a bit more than my pretty robust system can tolerate – masochist I am not. :-) Have fun. Will check back and see if they get captured anywhere…

  • bridgeymah

    New Fan yep I am guessing that the systems to screw us are probably much more advanced than my meagre IT ability to get around them…

    Gush away people. Can’t wait to hear Fever – was my fav snippet

  • lorismile

    Someone loaded Fever on Youtube….link was on the IDF site some linked above

  • Esqt

    I don’t know but after reading the interview (2nd part) and then listening to BROKEN OPEN…I can’t stop crying…

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    I take back all my angst over stupid editor. Adam is a SFW!!!

  • bridgeymah

    Lorismile – which iDF link. Pretty please throw us poor old overseas fans a bone

  • lorismile

    Damn that CD ROCKS!! So happy….def can’t sleep now!

  • BeckyMD

    adamlambert

    1. @adrianajohnson I wrote Strut w/ Kara Dioguardi and Greg Wells 2 minutes ago from web in reply to adrianajohnson
    2. @finney4 no. just me. She wrote it. 3 minutes ago from web in reply to finney4
    3. Just learned my album is streaming on Myspace! Go check it out!!! Tell me which song is your favorite? 3 minutes ago from web
    4. http://twitpic.com/punij Another band shot. Lisa was getting styled and this beautiful extra got in the shot… Look at her abs! JEEZ

  • lorismile

    removed link – sorry bridey!

  • bridgeymah

    Lorismile thanks!

    Terrible quality but am sure some better downloads will turn up to listen to.

  • Maddy

    I wouldn’t even know how to pick a favorite. Broken Open is amazing. Amaazzzinngg. And Soaked is beautiful, I love Fever and Pick U Up is such a feel good song.

  • lorismile

    Well, I don’t know which one if my favorite. I really love Pick U UP…his voice on the money note and his laugh at the end kills me every time.

    They are all so different from each other! It’s hard to choose just one!

  • LindaT

    I’ve been afraid to get too excited about this album — the expectations have been so high. But I just listened to the whole thing, and it is really, really good. It’s hard to pick favorites, but I particularly like Fever, Soaked, Broken Open, Sleepwalker, Pick U Up and Whataya Want From Me.

    Now I can go to sleep happy. Congratulations, Adam. I hope everyone likes your album as much as I do.

  • NewFan

    hey bridgeymah

    Were you around in the summer? This link to Fever is great (thanks lorismile !!!) but it reminds me of listening to underwater cellcasts of the tour concerts. :lol: :lol: :lol: But, if you weren’t here then … well you kinda had to be here then, or … well you won’t get that this is funny … as well as tragic…

    I am really learning patience and composure at this moment … how are you doing? … might just be better to go to sleep and let dreams wash the pain away … anybody feeling sorry for us yet.?

    Actually, happy dance that it’s here now instead of a week from now. Luv will be ecstatic. She will squeeee for days.

    Bye the way, I’m not ungrateful for the links and stuff. It’s great, fabulous even … how people try to help each other out around here. Thanks MJ

  • bridgeymah

    Ok for other international fans I tried a couple of work arounds and so far no luck in getting past myspace blocks – my myspace account is even registered to US (seeing I used to live there) but they are blocking based on where your IP is – so if anyone knows a way to get around that I’m all ears. LOL

  • bridgeymah

    New Fan, I was around over Summer and watched all the craziness from afar. I can’t wait to get my hands on the album and thanks to US contacts hopefully that will be sooner rather than later…

    I am holding up ok right now but tomorrow might be a different story when full SQEEING is unleashed.

    Oh and second the devotion – MJ you are best Thanks so much for all you do.

  • NewFan

    I tried a couple of work arounds

    Quite the industrious dude or dudette you are. Much more than me. So, I’m impressed.

    I’m looking forward to Pick U up most of all. But Fever does sound good, better than the snippet.

    eta. actually i’m done in for today… will need energy … to try and break international codes and regulations (or whatever) … tomorrow :smile: see you then … we will be forever joined in sorrow (melodramatic music swells and subsides) night all

    congratulations Adam

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    Broken Open is shatteringly beautiful.

  • carolinacharms

    What a powerful indictment. The letter is brilliantly written and aimed squarely at Adam Lambert. In Rock ‘N Roll, the bucks stops with the talent.

  • BeckyMD

    my last post tonite. Adam’s tweet

    #adamlambert

    oh yeah! buy Kris Allen’s Album on iTunes!!

    Sweet night :D

  • Esqt

    Broken Open…really hits me hard. Soaked..is incredible. WOW. Pick U Up is a big surprise… I like it A LOT! Fever & Sleepwalker… awesome!!! And of course FYE and WWFM… (and MP too) in heavy rotation in my ipod. If I Have You, Aftermath, & Strut are still growing on me…but I like them after 2nd listen…lol…and yes, TFM has a special place in my heart.

    GREAT ALBUM!! I’m so excited…
    Congratulations, Adam!

  • hypertwink

    What an awesome letter.

  • Esqt

    my last post tonite. Adam’s tweet

    #adamlambert

    oh yeah! buy Kris Allen’s Album on iTunes!!

    ……ALWAYS NICE & SWEET!

  • manny

    Just called work(early morning shift at a hospital) and told them I’d be late. Didn’t dare say why, lol. Listening now, OMG!

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    Adam spreads such positive energy. One reason I’m so glad to be his fan..

    Rock Wails on Sure Fire Winners!!! FTW!!

    manny
    11/17/2009 at 4:57 am
    Just called work(early morning shift at a hospital) and told them I’d be late. Didn’t dare say why, lol. Listening now, OMG!

    IKR?? I won’t sleep tonight. :loo: too happy.

  • jun

    Wow!!! Going on my 3rd listen.. fully lived up to all the expectations!
    Just so amazing and loving his voice throughout!! Love how each
    song is uniquely different with the connecting thread of Adam’s voice at the core. Congratulations Adam.. you totally delivered!!!

  • tootheatrical

    adamaloha
    11/17/2009 at 5:00 am
    Adam spreads such positive energy. One reason I’m so glad to be his fan..

    Nicely done, Sistah! :)

    Wish I knew how to squeeee in Hawaiian!

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    That laugh at the end of Pick U Up slays me. :lol:

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    tootheatrical
    11/17/2009 at 5:13 am
    adamaloha
    11/17/2009 at 5:00 am
    Adam spreads such positive energy. One reason I’m so glad to be his fan..

    Nicely done, Sistah!

    Wish I knew how to squeeee in Hawaiian!

    SQUEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

  • Janus

    Is there a party going on? Wow! What an epic album…!!!!!

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    Janus
    11/17/2009 at 5:19 am
    Is there a party going on? Wow! What an epic album’ ¦!!!!!

    Fever is making me dance and scream!

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ adamaloha

    okay i have to go before i really wake everyone up. epic night! Don’t let anyone spoil it!!

  • eyelinerandcigarettes

    ALL.OF.THESE.SONGS.ARE.EPIC.
    I swear there is not one I don’t like.

    That is the first time this happened in the history of my life.
    *squeaaaaaaals and goes back to listening*

  • didilynn

    Wow – this album rocks!

  • Janus

    didilynn
    11/17/2009 at 5:38 am
    Wow ‘“ this album rocks!

    This album has seriously exceeded all my expectations and then some. It’s nearly rendered me fit only for the insane asylum! LOL

    I cannot believe he pulled this off. EPIC!

  • Esqt

    SONIC LOBOTOMY at 3 in the morning…oh yeah!! I LOVE EM ALL!!! ADDDAAAAAMMMMM….i’m a sleepwalker…walker…walker!

  • Truthiness

    What a powerful indictment. The letter is brilliantly written and aimed squarely at Adam Lambert. In Rock ‘N Roll, the bucks stops with the talent.

    Really? I didn’t know that the talent had so much more control than record lablels and management, especially new talent. I must have missed when that happened, and speaking of AI, someone let Kelly Clarkson in on that secret.

    Oh and I guess I also missed the part in the letter when Hecklin in the midst of his butthurt whinging, said that it was Adam’s management that was doing this and not Adam, who had been open and oh yeah, suddenly was a gay messiah. Despite all the stuff in the article where Adam said he didn’t want to be one. Oh and yeah I like repeating this, but Hecklin’s toolish whining about not being able have Adam on OUT during the season, is utter tripe. No idols are allowed to do outside press during the show. I know, facts getting in the way of a perfectly good rant. How rood! The one magazine that 19 allowed Adam on the cover was EW and that never interviewed Adam and used a publicity shot. Oh and the cover allowed by 19? Said that Adam was saving American Idol (and not just because he was gay). I mean look at 19 running from Adam’s gay there by letting a magazine make his being gay a known fact.

    Just like Adam ran away from his gay with his album cover and lyrics and offically “coming out,” (though how you can come out when not in closet) in RS and out on national TV on 20/20 and in interviews too innumerable to count about being gay.

    I can certainly see the plot by Adam to go back in the closet, even down to the small things like Tweeting about things like preferring H’Peen, about how sometimes it’s was the boys wearing the stipper heels, my goddess, is there no end to Adam’s straightwashing!

  • dab1234

    WOW What a great album. Exactly as he described and he certainly delivered. I want everyone to hear this and appreciate this man’s talent. What a voice, and the music is great, too. Can someone remind me who the guitarist is in Sleepwalker? Is that Hawkins? or Orianthi?

  • http://www.fatladysings.us TFLS

    Just listened. Wow. Adam had better clear some room on his mantle for all the awards this album’s gonna garner. One of the best debut’s from a new artist in a while. It’s not as easy to create masterpieces today ‘“ especially with how quickly new material is expected to turn around. The old days of locking yourself in some London flat running hot and cold women (men) and liquor till magic happens went out with vinyl. Music tastes shift like fashion ‘“ one day you’re in ‘“ the next you’ve been relegated to the ‘yesterday’s news’ pile. That means relying on multiple writers proffering up already completed tunes ‘“ and most songsmiths (out of necessity) peddle multiple versions of the same song to varying artists (see Ryan Tedder). To have something where every song is a potential top ten hit is nothing short of amazing. What a treat! Thanks for posting the link ye brilliant gods of the internet!

  • Janus

    dab1234
    11/17/2009 at 5:48 am
    WOW What a great album. Exactly as he described and he certainly delivered. I want everyone to hear this and appreciate this man’s talent. What a voice, and the music is great, too. Can someone remind me who the guitarist is in Sleepwalker? Is that Hawkins? or Orianthi?

    It’s Orinathi! Tweet from Adam:

    @zulugirl13 Yes! that IS Orianthi on Sleepwalker!
    about 2 hours ago from web in reply to zulugirl13

    Justin Hawkins is in Music Again.

  • Shev66

    WOW What a great album. Exactly as he described and he certainly delivered. I want everyone to hear this and appreciate this man’s talent. What a voice, and the music is great, too. Can someone remind me who the guitarist is in Sleepwalker? Is that Hawkins? or Orianthi?

    It is Orianthi (as confirmed by Adam himself)

  • AdoK

    If you are outside US:

    http://apps.facebook.com/ilike/artist/Adam+Lambert

    + Music Again!!!

  • mayang

    dab1234 adam tweeted that it was orianthi on guitars in sleepwalker.

  • Janus

    TFLS
    11/17/2009 at 5:54 am
    Just listened. Wow. Adam had better clear some room on his mantle for all the awards this album’s gonna garner. One of the best debut’s from a new artist in a while. It’s not as easy to create masterpieces today ‘“ especially with how quickly new material is expected to turn around. The old days of locking yourself in some London flat running hot and cold women (men) and liquor till magic happens went out with vinyl. Music tastes shift like fashion ‘“ one day you’re in ‘“ the next you’ve been relegated to the ‘yesterday’s news’ pile. That means relying on multiple writers proffering up already completed tunes ‘“ and most songsmiths (out of necessity) peddle multiple versions of the same song to varying artists (see Ryan Tedder). To have something where every song is a potential top ten hit is nothing short of amazing. What a treat! Thanks for posting the link ye brilliant gods of the internet!

    ITA! I would be seriously surprised if this didn’t win mulitple awards. It is truely is an epic achievment. I know it sounds like hyperbole, but it really is that good.

  • mayang

    i just hope that it would be played on radios around the world so others who are not ai fans would appreciate adam’s gift. he is really great.so so great. cnat pick the best. but i really love his laugh at pick u up, very refreshing.

  • AdoK

    Music Again is a great starter!

  • bridgeymah

    AdoK
    11/17/2009 at 5:56 am
    If you are outside US:

    http://apps.facebook.com/ilike/artist/Adam+Lambert

    + Music Again!!!

    MY HERO. YOU SO ROCK (even if I did need to create an evil Facebook page to access)

  • mayang

    now i know wer neil heard the words “oh brother”. i heard that too on pick u up…

  • AdoK

    Strut has interesting lyrics and arrangement. I like it originality!

  • AdoK

    Soak – great writing work from Bellamy and great vocals from Adam! There are similarities to ROF.

  • bridgeymah

    I am addicted to Fever from the opening beats… will be on rotate for many many plays. Anything that makes me groove in my chair gets a bit thumbs up.

  • mayang

    i really lov epick u up. i bet neil likes it too.

  • dab1234

    Thanks everyone for answering me. She is a fantastic musician. I love the album and hope it gets past this mess we are currently in and is LISTENED TO. There is so much quality material there. He certainly did his best and listeners will appreciate it. Great job Adam, thank you

  • AdoK

    Sure Fine Winners really rocks. And is so rich musically!

  • bridgeymah

    Broken Open has an outerworldly experimental feel that is mesmerizing – very Cocteau Twins.

  • AdoK

    Loaded smile – I just love his voice here! Especially in chorus.

  • http://littleglitterlittleglam.blogspot.com TheSpindleshay

    I’m streaming it here if you can’t access on facebook or myspace.

    Oh my crap, what an amazing way to start the day! I’m loving every song, I don’t find a stinker in the bunch!

  • AdoK

    If had you – not my thing musically but he is definitely singing his face off.

  • AdoK

    Pick u up – great song, especially when he goes towards “…be my lover” and wow the ending!

  • AdoK

    Fever- some french here and there and great chorus. Pop hit!

  • AdoK

    Sleepwalker – another great one with outstanding guitar solo!

  • AdoK

    Only me and Adam on the thread!?

  • mr

    bridgeymah
    11/17/2009 at 6:06 am
    AdoK
    11/17/2009 at 5:56 am
    If you are outside US:

    http://apps.facebook.com/ilike/artist/Adam+Lambert

    + Music Again!!!

    MY HERO. YOU SO ROCK (even if I did need to create an evil Facebook page to access)

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Oh Adok! You are amazing!!!! Thank you! I thought I would lose my mind that everyone but me was listening!
    I’m listening now and DYING!!!!
    Sorry fo all the exclamation marks- but every song is better the other (except for Strut- sorry Kara…)
    A M A Z I N G ! ! ! ! ! !

  • bridgeymah

    Broken Open beginning really really reminds me of Cocteau Twins (who most people will have never heard of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7CH7sFryug&feature=related ) Really etherial and beautiful – another shade of the 80s explored with lovely finesse by Adam and his team.

  • AdoK

    Aftermath – catchy rock song, me likey! And Adam flies really high here.

  • mr

    LOL at Fever-pokerface- “Fa fa fevah Fa fa fa fever”

  • NewFan

    mr

    thank you for the ‘outside US’ link. thank you thank you thank you … did I say thank you? thank you!!!!!!!!!

  • mmb

    OMFG this album is awesome! A friend of mine had already heard it (can’t tell you how — in music biz) and told me it was “f-cking fantastic” but WOW…love it!!!!

  • mayang

    i love pick u up and the laugh in the end. adam really eases heavy loads by hearing his music… haay. lav him.

  • bridgeymah

    New Fan, I think I am going to be up quite late tonight listening to this… enjoy. I keep coming back to Fever (up to 5 rotations so far). LOL

  • dab1234

    November 23/09 – Patricia Sheridan’s Breakfast With Adam Lambert interview will run first – Nov 23 Monday at Post-Gazette.com with a podcast to listen to

    I haven’t seen this listed before so thought I would throw it out in here. May be old news but I missed it.

  • LambertRocks

    WOW!!! I expected to like the album based on the snippets I’ve heard, but I didn’t expect to end up loving every song this much. Wow… I agree with the other comments: EPIC! Amazing album, not even for an Idol’s debut album, amazing album in general. Way to go, Adam, can’t wait for your concert!!!

  • spring2009

    It is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!

    HAPPY TUESDAY PEOPLE!!

  • AdoK

    Broken Open – a true ballad masterpiece. Will attrack attention from non-Adam fans.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7CH7sFryug&feature=related

    Yeah, there is similarity in vocal mildness. But BO has ingenious instrumental arrangement. The piano at the beginning is killing me!

  • mayang

    i just wish pipol will be able to apprciate this wonderful album… its really great. really praying he gained more fans out of AI.. i just think this album is great. i cant sngle out one song as the best one.. its all great..congrats to adam..

  • DLee

    Just got here…Oh my hell!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • bridgeymah

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7CH7sFryug&feature=related

    Yeah, there is similarity in vocal mildness. But BO has ingenious instrumental arrangement. The piano at the beginning is killing me!

    If anyone is interested here is a bit of info on Cocteau Twins:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocteau_Twins

    Not saying the Broken Open is copying them, just that the influence seems to be quite strong (a good thing in my book)

  • mr

    Newfan-
    You’re welcome but it wasn’t me! All credit to Adok!!!

    But it’s it FAB??????

    After such a depressing thread- I am sooooo glad this is the way it’ll end- on a wonderful Adam glory note- ha!!!!

  • mayang

    adam rock on.. i think d band pix he posted was taken during the video shoot, so that was his anader outfit on his video shoot?also ryan seacrest tweeted that they will feature costume design on enews, since im in other country and enews is shown late hir, il be able to watch it later. one hour to go, il look at it.yay adam ur so blessed. i hope haters will leave u alone. looking at u editor in chief.

  • austintoo

    Wow, what a thing to wake up to after the worrying last night!

  • bridgeymah

    I wonder if there is a way to measure the lost productivity the sneak peak of the album is going to cause today :-) I am sure there will be a few people who come down with nasty flu like symptoms upon waking (and seeing link) :-)

  • AdoK

    I don’t know how it is possible but I love 8 out of 14. And I like the rest (because of Adam voice). Hey, it is after only one listening!

  • mayang
  • lorismile

    Really, Really loving Music Again.

  • saramcvt

    Wow, what a way to wake up this morning!!!!!! I like almost all the songs, and some I love!!! Please people, if you feel the same way, BUY the album, don’t just download from sites!!! Adam has NOT disappointed, and he deserves to have his music purchased legally!

  • dab1234

    bridgeymah
    11/17/2009 at 7:12 am

    I wonder if there is a way to measure the lost productivity the sneak peak of the album is going to cause today :-) I am sure there will be a few people who come down with nasty flu like symptoms upon waking (and seeing link) :-)

    LOL I took yesterday off expecting this. Today I have to work. Sucks!!!! Oh well, only work 1/2 day so will be back later. Hopefully links will stay open so I can listen more..

  • AdoK

    mr: “After such a depressing thread- I am sooooo glad this is the way it’ll end- on a wonderful Adam glory note- ha!!!!”

    So true. But I think MJ is preparing new thread and it would be epic as the album is.

  • hfa

    Just woke up, wow, am going to listen to Adam now, thanks guys for the links. This is going to be a great day.

  • mmb

    Not that they matter, but the reviews for FYE (the album) have been really good thus far! Yay Adam! Hopefully this fantastic album will have good sales numbers…..he should be proud of what he and his collaborators have put together here in such a short amount of time…..yup, this will be the soundtrack of my holiday season

  • mr

    Yeah, Adok, i believe you’re right- guess mj is still sleeping after a long weary night of modding…

  • Squirrely

    LOVE THIS ALBUM!!!!!

  • bridgeymah

    I think the funky dunky beat mix at the beginning of Sure Fire Winners is going to be one of the most addictive things on the album for me (not to mention Adams powerhouse vocals) – this one will be totally epic live. Very anthem like through the middle of the song then back to that really cool beat. Definitely one of my favorites.

  • mayang

    http://twitpic.com/punij
    see this am i d only one seeing adam big pakcge down der? eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh.

  • AdoK

    Squirrely: “LOVE THIS ALBUM!!!!!”

    I can’t even pick my favorite song! The album is so rich musically and Adam is the centre of this many planet universe.

  • mmb

    Parts of sure fire winners are just begging to be used in commercials for sports championships etc…..which is really kind of ironic when you think about it

  • lorismile

    Okay, after many listens early morning and just now…
    1. So glad Adam’s vocals are not over-processed!!
    2. So glad to hear crazy notes from Adam.
    3. I need the CD NOW to blast in my car, at work, at home! :-)
    4. I think they did a great job giving us a little bit of everything.
    5. The lyrics on the songs are awesome!! So fitting the HBIC!!
    6. These songs live are going to be EPIC!!

    You go Adam…you ROCK!

  • Chicagolaw

    OMG, I love them all!!! No way I can pick a favorite, absolutely no way. But, Broken Open is breathtaking. No words.

  • hfa

    Listening to Soaked right now, has some eastern/zitar sounds, beautiful vocal. wow.

  • mayang

    i wonder how these songs will sound once adam will sing them live!!!!

  • spring2009

    see this am i d only one seeing adam big pakcge down der?

    LOL – I am SURE that you are not the only one.

    I can’t pick a favourite – absolutely no way.

  • DLee

    “I wanta see you strut…come on walk for me”!!!!!

  • hfa

    Loaded Smile has such a beautiful melody and Adam’s amazing vocal. I don’t think I can pick a favorite.

  • mayang

    is that for real?it seems so huge.. dnt yah think!! god its very noticeable!! yay.. though i really like is handsome face. LMAO!!!

  • bridgeymah

    I hope everyone here bought the album/will buy/is buying.
    If you type in google FYE sendspace you find Adam’s album zipped to download.

    Please don’t do this – I know temptation is huge, but is really only a few more days. Wasn’t so long ago we didn’t even have the option to hear albums ahead of their release. I am just grateful to be able to listen to it…

  • DLee

    Wow, Kris’ CD is #4 on iturns!!

  • hfa

    I guess after last night’s gloomy thread(actually this thread) people still asleep. Boy they are going to be happy today! I hope MJ put up new thread soon.

  • AdoK

    mayang: “is that for real?it seems so huge.. dnt yah think!! god its very noticeable!!”

    You mean the Album or …?

  • Teri63

    Just woke up to this spectacular surprise. I’m loving everything. I don’t know my musical terminology, but I love how layered and multifaceted the songs are. You have his amazing voice at the front of the songs with so much interesting music backing those vocals up. I’m listening to “Loaded Smile” right now. Stunningly beautiful!

  • hfa

    Listening to Pick U Up now, amazing song, amazing vocal, love the laugh at the end.

  • mayang

    adok dat big bulge on adam’s front!!!! d album will really be huge i know that and its for real!!!

  • Shev66

    Cannot wait for Monday…I swear I could listen to Adam sing all day….and probably will on 23rd !!

    Love the guitar on Sleepwalker…………

  • dawggrlzfoevah

    Does any one “Out” there really care who Adam Lambert is photographed with? His management team must be living on some other planet! This incredible talent will be a household name regardless of who what where or when he is in some silly publicity shot.
    Have they checked the Amazon numbers? I think that the only thing that will hurt sales is if they don’t print enough copies!

  • clearone

    I see nobody here has any will power…….:)

  • hfa

    Fever: sound theatrical in the beginning (just me), I love it.

  • DLee

    “Sure Fire Winners”….Super bowl half time show.

  • hfa

    Sleepwalker is amazing. Wake up everybody! New music is finally here. All are amazing. Adam sounded so amazing in every song. I can’t wait to get my album on Monday!

  • DLee

    Never felt so satisfied.

  • Studio57

    Chicago Law- I agree- I cannot believe how hard it is for me to pick a favorite. They are all so different you really can’t compare one to the other. And each song has something special in it I love.

    Fever is my favorite right now. He sounds so bratty on it, I love it, lol.

    Soaked- every time he sings “it’s not the first time, it’s not the worst crime, our souls will be okay” I literally have tears in my eyes. God that song is so epic!

    Soaked to the bone
    Sink like a stone
    I will take you home
    It’s not the first time, it’s not the worst crime
    Our souls will be okay

    Broken Open- if you look in the dictionary under the word ethereal, Broken Open should be there.

    Sleepwalker- Love the guitar and the drums- the perfect redemption for Tedder

    Pick U Up- It’s almost like they should build a musical just around this song- cannot wait to see him perform this live. And the laugh, oh, man the laugh! Kills me. WHERE ARE YOU ? I NEED SOMEONE TO BE MY LOOOOOVVVVVVVEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

    Whataya Want From Me- used to be my least favorite, now I think it should be the next single

    Aftermath is my 12 year olds favorite ( she was listening while she was getting ready for school)

    If I Had You is a great dance song

    Loaded Smile suprised me when it got faster paced there for awhile- very interesting. The lyricss are really interesting how he is struggling with how the relationship is at times the best and the worst thing in his life- never heard anything like that.

    Strut and SFW I am still a little iffy on- SFW has great moments in it, but the chorus, I just don’t know- haven’t played either one enough.

    And of course FYE, TFM and Master Plan are already favorites on my Ipod.

  • Teri63

    I just can’t pick a favorite. It keeps changing with each new song I hear! LOL! I really LOOOVE “Pick U UP.” Loving “Sleepwalker,” too. Geez, I have to go get ready for work! Happy listening, everyone!

  • Studio57

    I think every song has some theatrical elements to it. It’s almost like it’s a little wink and nod to all the people who said he was “too theatrical”, lol.

    Is Music Again available for listen anywhere?

  • austintoo

    What song is the guitar riff from in Surefire Winners, it’s driving me crazy.
    It’s from a Led Zep song, right?

  • Teri63

    OMG – “Broken Open” is gorgeous!

  • sr4mjc

    Broken Open broke me. It’s gorgeous

  • AdoK

    Is Music Again available for listen anywhere?
    Yes it is:

    http://apps.facebook.com/ilike/artist/Adam+Lambert

  • Shev66

    New thread set up for this !

  • hfa

    MJ has new thread everyone!

  • greenT

    OMG another happy day.
    I am going to stay on this myspace link all day long.
    Thank you Adam for the fantastic music.

  • JIMDOGSILKIES

    Help b/c I’m confused. I really love Adam and love the songs! Read comments last night that FYE is not getting played and there was also something discouraging fans from harrassing radio stations to play FYE as they can blacklist a song. Is FYE doing okay? Just a week ago I read that it was doing well on ITunes, like #10 and then the next thing I read is a lot of concern for the album and song. WHat’s up? I truly don’t understand all these numbers/ratings, etc. THanks!

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com rowenaaine

    Part two of the Out interview at Thespindleshay’s blog, http://littleglitterlittleglam.blogspot.com/

    The last comment choked me up. Bold emphasis mine.

    What else do you want to talk about?

    I don’t know. [Long pause.] My job is to make this look easy and fun. That’s the illusion, the vibe I’m trying to create for people to feel. That’s what I want to do as an entertainer, create a mood that rubs off on people. This is scary, and it is a lot of work. And I’m OK, I’ll be fine. But, wow, this is a lot. And I hope that people are compassionate about that. I took a chance, stepped my life up a little, have some opportunities, have a little money, and I’m doing the best I can. I’m doing the best I fucking can, you know?

  • fadetowhite

    Good for the editor of Out. It just shows you what goes on behind the scenes, even – apparently – against the wishes of the client: Lambert in this case. I thought he gave a strong interview. His ability to be himself and cut through the bs is actually the thing I admire the most about him.

    Anyhow – I’m listening to the album and: I quite like it!

    I don’t think it’s the best album ever released! And I see nothing ground breaking about it: I can’t see the huge hype.

    BUT – it’s a good album and I’m enjoying listening to it.

  • unique28v

    Some outlets and sites are blaming Adam for this and calling him a hypocrite.

  • saga

    Some outlets and sites are blaming Adam for this and calling him a hypocrite.

    What do you mean?

  • saga

    I call “scorned editor” on this one. Sacrifising one for the (his) great movementl.

    I think the editor wanted to put the whole gay rights issue on Adams shoulders and he didn’t want that. Yes, the management was the one communicating with the editor but that doesn’t mean Adam wasn’t behind them.

    Give the kid a break, he just wants to sing his face off. Why not let him?

  • Miss Chaos

    I’m doing the best I fucking can, you know?

    A great title for Adams next song????????

  • zzatrms

    Apparently I’m not the only one who checks for anything Adam as soon as I wake up. :)

  • uglyduck

    AdoK
    11/17/2009 at 5:56 am
    If you are outside US:

    http://apps.facebook.com/ilike/artist/Adam+Lambert

    THANK YOU

  • retjenny

    I know I have been kind of crabby about the album. I wanted Idol Adam. Sometimes times what you what isn’t what you need! I love this album. It justifies pre ordering from three different sites.

  • unique28v

    Some outlets and sites are blaming Adam for this and calling him a hypocrite.

    What do you mean?

    Just that Adam is a hypocrite for doing Details, and saying women are pretty, etc. Meaning, he’s trying to have his cake and eat it too. They are twisting it around saying its Adam who didn’t want to do the article and look “too gay” in fear of turning people off.

  • lucy

    Help b/c I’m confused. I really love Adam and love the songs! Read comments last night that FYE is not getting played and there was also something discouraging fans from harrassing radio stations to play FYE as they can blacklist a song. Is FYE doing okay? Just a week ago I read that it was doing well on ITunes, like #10 and then the next thing I read is a lot of concern for the album and song. WHat’s up? I truly don’t understand all these numbers/ratings, etc. THanks!

    Did quite well on Itunes for a while, then dropped pretty significantly. However, that’s to be expected since the song itself has had very little exposure as of yet because radio play is just beginning (and we don’t know how much it’ll get) and the AMAs haven’t happened, nor other tv appearances where he performs the song.

    Has had a moderate number of radio adds and play — comparable to Kris after his song had been out a roughly equivalent amount of time — up to this point, but this week the adds may be slowing (they are on HAC, though that might *partly* be because of Christmas; we won’t know for sure about Pop (CHR/Top 40) until later today.)

    Then there’s the weirdness of Open House Party playing Waddya Want from Me as “adam’s new single” rather than FYE. Nobody knows what that means. or how it will affect FYE. Although since WWFM got some radio spins last week, one might well say that it took away from spins that FYE might otherwise have been expected to get — on OHP, especially.

    In short — early signs mixed. Definitely not doing brilliantly out of the gate, but kind of hanging in there so not a total dog either. But it’s very early days yet, with the visible promotion yet to kick in (and we don’t know the nature of the behind-the-scenes promotion.)

    It’s really just a wait and see situation, I think.

  • ptslittlecomment

    Adam replied to the Open Letter via twitter

    (cont.) Until we have a meaningful conversation, perhaps you should refrain from projecting your publications’ agenda onto my career.
    28 minutes ago from Echofon Dear Aaron, it’s def not that deep. Chill! Guess ya gotta get attention for the magazine. U too are at the mercy of the marketing machine.
    38 minutes ago from Echofon