David Archuleta’s Father Jeff Archuleta Busted for Soliciting a Prostitute

OMG! That is crazy!! Poor Archie, I feel so bad for him.

OMG, the shocking things you see when you refresh the page on mjsbigblog. WTF???

ETA: Oh those Mormons!

Didn’t see that one coming.

Archie shouldn’t have to deal with this. How sad.

Honestly for one minute I though Daddy Archie was the prostitute. Poor guy, this is a non story except for his last name. I think changing the title to “soliciting a prostitute” is more truthful.

Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s attorney said he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The understatement of the year.

Hmm. I wonder how long til the stage dad accusations pop up again. Paging Naomi Judd…

Sick! Well this will be PR nightmare for Archie if ever there was one. The stage dad stuff is NOTHING in comparison to this!

Yeah..normally I snark all over DA but this is just sad. I feel really sorry for Archie, his mom, and his sibs right now. I hope he was given a heads up before this news broke.

I believed strongly Jeff Archuleta was a pig and said so loudly and often. Now he’s proven it. The whole “I was just there for a back problem” crap? I hope that’s not what he tried to tell his family.

Honestly for one minute I though Daddy Archie was the prostitute.

Well, that record label recoupment is pretty harsh, but I can’t see that dude making a lot of money as a prostitute.

I agree that a headline change might be in order.

Poor Archie having to answer questions about that. Man, you just can’t pick your relatives.

*jaw drop* holy cow. Poor David.

Oh, poor Archie (and his family). He seems like such a lovely kid, he deserves better than this.

Archie shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have to deal with this. How sad.

Agreed. I feel bad because David is going to be affected by his father’s selfishness.

I’m stunned.

It really doesn’t suprise me, something about him always gave me the creeps

Oh. My. God. Please let there be a swift and carefully-worded press release indicating that Archie is no longer under Jeff’s management. This is just crazy.

Oh no. I’ve really come to like Archie a lot so it makes me sad to think about him having to deal with this.

He also said it was the first time Archuleta had ever been to the establishment. He was there for a back problem.

That is so lame – as if – if I had a back problem, I’d go to a chiropractor! ha ha

But why is it only surfacing now? That was back in January.

Jeebus Rice Jeff Archuleta. Seriously? Oh god.

This is horrible for David and the rest of his family. Worrying about his career is the last thing on my mind right now. Archie and his siblings do not deserve any of this.

I agree with the idea of a headline change, it makes one think at first glance that Daddy Archie was prostituting out l… No… I’m not even going to go there.

But this is a PR nightmare for Archie… Eeek. I can’t imagine how the little tween fangirls are going to react if they hear about this, that is, if they know what a prostitute is.

What the heck???!
And my second Archie… man, poor Archie. Whatever this is or it isn’t it just sucks to have to deal with it.
This one was unexpected.

Once inside, they identified that prostitution was taking place and there was one client receiving the services

That’s really bad luck and bad timing to be the only one getting a seeing to at the time of the bust.

It’s sad that David and the rest of his family will have to deal with this under the scrutiny of the media

Ugh, I hope Archie doesn’t get any questions about this, but I know he will.

I feel so bad for David right now.

I just feel bad for Archie. Poor kid. I just hope he knew about it before the headlines broke.

I’m speechless. Poor Archie. I hope the press stays out of this, if it’s true. Then again, there’s always the chance it’s totally bogus (and I hope this is the case). It does seem a little out-there, so I’m taking it with a grain of salt.

ETA: MJ, I think you crashed David’s Twitter!

I changed the headline.

I met David’s father and he seemed kind of oily to me.

I don’t buy the garbage the attorney is spewing.

Secondly, there are many things in this world worse than a man being caught with a prostitute. With that said, my heart goes out to this family. I will make no further comment, because it is a sensitive subject that this family will have to work through and it isn’t my business.

I wonder why it took so long for this to get out if it happened in January?

Oh my gosh I’m just shocked here. Archie :sad_wp: That poor thing is going to need lots of support now.

“But why is it only surfacing now? That was back in January.”

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6855114

Court records show Midvale Justice Court Judge Ronald Wolthuis ordered Archuleta to attend a class called “Thinking Errors,” and pay a $582 fine. He complied with those terms, court records show.

Archuleta is due in court again on June 30 for a review hearing where the case will likely be dismissed.

^^ probably why

Poor David, it’s sad that the families are the ones that have to deal with this. I hope reporters won’t act like they’re after blood in this situation, but I’m sure they will.

I just hope he knew about it before the headlines broke.

That’s what I was thinking.

I hope Archie doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get any questions about this, but I know he will.

he’s just starting a tour with Demi Lovato this weekend that runs thru the summer. I’m sure he’ll be talking to radio stations in every market he goes to. It’ll be a bear to face those horrific questions.

Jeff could do David a favor by staying clear of the venues and press events for the tour.

Poor David. This sux for that family.

:surprised_tb:

I was not expecting this.

Damn. Just damn.

Oh, Archie. He’s such a good egg. Thank goodness he’s 18.

Well, that’s one way to generate some media buzz. David is genuinely one of the kindest humans on the face of the earth, so sad he will have to endure what is to come.

How sad for David. But maybe there can be a silver lining if this gets his father away from him. Hope there’s no denial and letting this creep hang on, being a drag on David’s poor little coattails. I fear there will be though. I always suspected the guy might be a vampire, and if he is he won’t let go easily, unfortunately.

Poor David. This really isn’t anything to do with him though. He obviously has nothing to do with his fathers doings. Poor kid. I don’t see why anybody would be questiong/asking him anything about this crap.

This is going to make for some very uncomfortable and awkward interviews for Archie.

Court records show Midvale Justice Court Judge Ronald Wolthuis ordered Archuleta to attend a class called “Thinking Errors”. . .

Is that like a course in “WTF were you thinking???”

well he did two interviews today already this mornign wonder what other he had lined up…

This goes straight on the do not ask list…

Surely, someone in management will help David to discuss how he is going to handle questions that he receives from the media.

This is going to make for some very uncomfortable and awkward interviews for Archie.

It isn’t clear what, if anything, happened, but I am sure David will be forgiving, as always and handle it with grace.

a class on “Thinking Errors”???

You know, everyone is assuming that he’s guilty b/c he pleaded no contest. But even if he was innocent, he might have chosen to do that to avoid the even worse publicity of a prosecution. If he’s innocent, as his attorney claims, then this whole thing is even more totally terrible.

This is such a bummer to read.

This goes straight on the do not ask listà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

So true. In fact, I think it should be on the do-not-ask-unless-you-want-us-to-hang-up-on-you list.

It can be scarring for boys this age when their fathers cheat on their moms. I hope he will have the support he needs. There is an innocence about David that I hate to see change.

Soliciting a prostitute is just embarrassing. Again, if it wasn’t for the last name, it’s a complete non story which hopefully it ends up being in a day or two. The punishment seems to fit the crime though. And I guess he comes across as a hypocrite but what else is new.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Jaw drops open. Sad face. That sucks. I hope it’s not true.

This is a big deal when the kid is so wholesome and the dad screws up. Poor David.

My sympathies to David Archiuleta and his mom and siblings. I just hope they get a lot of genuine love and support while the media hammers them.

If heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s innocent, as his attorney claims, then this whole thing is even more totally terrible.

Look, he made those statements to the cops about receiving sexual services. Unless you choose to believe the police would file a completely falsified report.

Soliciting a prostitute is just embarrassing and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not ready to start condemning the guy for it.

He is married.

Dang this is pretty freaking shocking. Still confused though since he admitted it but didn’t admit anything? Hope this clears up for the better and not for the worse..

Soliciting a prostitute is just embarrassing and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not ready to start condemning the guy for it.

It might be for others but he’s a family man and that to me makes him stupider than stupid if it’s true. Especially since his son is one of the most famous 18 year olds in the country.

Most guys who visit prostitutes are married. It’s better than having an affair. But that’s my opinion which matters not at all. It’s his wife’s call not mine.

That is so lame – as if – if I had a back problem, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d go to a chiropractor! ha ha

Not that this excuses JA if there WAS sex involved but people do get massage therapy for back problems. People with chronic, recurrent back problems will often get therapy from physiotherapists, chiropractors and registered massage therapists, spread throughout the calendar year because insurance coverage is limited for each discipline.

He was in the wrong place at the wrong time, doing the wrong thing. Not much of a defense. I met Jeff and thought he was an ok guy.
Hopefully someone helps David from the PR aspect, giving him a statement and telling him to be assertive in refusing to discuss it.

Soliciting a prostitute is just embarrassing and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not ready to start condemning the guy for it.

Except that he’s married and has kids, some of which are still quite young. Also, he has a son in the spotlight. That makes it even more difficult for the whole family to handle.

Of course, it could be that he was just in the wrong place, at the wrong time, like his lawyer said. The back massage story isn’t that far-fetched.

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s better than having an affair.

In my world, that is an affair, or at least equal to it.

Ouch! Well….you cannot control relatives, and you can’t follow them around. My advice to David…hold your head up high, have no comment and carry on with your life.

“So true. In fact, I think it should be on the do-not-ask-unless-you-want-us-to-hang-up-on-you list.’

yup lol

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s better than having an affair.

WTF??! Seriously, it’s not better or worst. It’s just wrong when you’re married and have kids. I don’t know what happened, but if it’s true of course it’s something.
Not that it has much or anything to do with David, but obviously kinda of changes the happy great family scenario they were passing till now. And I suppose the media won’t ignore this, especially with all the involvement Jeff has in David’s career.

Most guys who visit prostitutes are married. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s better than having an affair. But thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s my opinion which matters not at all. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s his wifeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s call not mine.

Neither is okay, unless you have an open marriage. Somehow I doubt the Book of Mormon allows that.

Many married men don’t have affairs or solicit prostitutes.

I feel for Archie. Man, I hope Dadchuleta isn’t managing him now.

If this happened back in January, I don’t understand why Jeff wouldn’t have stepped down as Archie’s manager back then. Then he would not have been associated so much with Archie and his career if/when this news broke. That just seems so selfish of Jeff to me. I always got the impression that Jeff was more about himself than his son. So sad. I wonder if 19 knew a lot more about Jeff than we knew and that is why they chose not to manage Archie’s career, knowing that Jeff was a total idiot. I feel very sad for Archie.

This goes straight on the do not ask listà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

So true!

Wow I sure didn’t see this one coming! I feel just horrible for Archie and the rest of his family. I hope that somehow the family can recover and be able to move past this.

He is married.

I wonder if Jeff and Lupe have separated again? They reportedly did right around the time David won Star Search but then reconciled. Regardless, just so very, very sad for David and the rest of his family. This will be a huge embarassment for them no matter what and they don’t deserve this.

Jeff needs to get the hell out of David’s life before he kills his career. David is a fabulous singer and sweet kid. If Jeff would leave him alone and let Jive manage his career David would probably have a bright future. I get tired of seeing Jeff’s picture lurking around in the background when David is interviewed. Really, Jeff, give him a chance.

There’s a saying in the Mid East and roughly translated it goes something like this ” The fathers feed, the children suffer the rotten teeth”. Poor David.

This is the reason that I am never excited to see kids (ie. David and Allison’s age) in the media spotlight. They are not old enough (David seems wholesome, but somewhat naive) to handle the stress of crap like this and very few of them come out the other side unscathed.

Not that it has much or anything to do with David, but obviously kinda of changes the happy great family scenario they were passing till now.

Not passing with me. LOL. But I just kept my mouth shut.

Poor Archie. I met him too, and you aren’t going to find a sweeter kid than that.

I’m sorry but this really isn’t okay. He’s a married guy with a son very much in the public eye. He should have been more circumspect. I’ve met Jeff, too, at several of the Idol tour stops last season and thought he paid a whole lot of attention to the young girls who were idolizing David. Some of my friends felt he was just helping to promote his son with the fans and they may be right. I thought he was a little pervy. I’m sorry for David. He’s such a sweet kid. This has to be hard for him to hear about. He and his dad seem to be very close.

That stinks for David. And he just twittered right before this story broke.

Since the Archuletta’s were once planning on getting divorced, I wouldn’t say that happy family scenario is 100% in place.

Other Idols have had their families involved in scandals and nobody really holds it against them. Although Archie is a teen so maybe Momma should be the more visible parent until this dies down. If there’s more to the story about Jeff, it’ll probably come out though as this may be part of a pattern.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve met Jeff, too, at several of the Idol tour stops last season and thought he paid a whole lot of attention to the young girls who were idolizing David.

Oh that’s charming news.

It sounds like he is saying he didn’t do anything to the woman, but she perhaps was doing something for him, if you know what I mean. The two statements are really not incongruent. He admitted he paid her to do something sexual to him. Not cool.

Geeze what a nice example to set your kids and how embarrassing for David.

Not that this excuses JA if there WAS sex involved but people do get massage therapy for back problems. People with chronic, recurrent back problems will often get therapy from physiotherapists, chiropractors and registered massage therapists, spread throughout the calendar year because insurance coverage is limited for each discipline.

Oh people do go to legit massage therapists for back trouble, sure. But “Reiki Massage?” It sounds like one of those places with a neon light sign where half the letters don’t light up anymore, and heavy curtains covering all the windows. Sleazy, sleazy, sleazy.

Anybody who read the divorce papers Jeff filed, where he clearly intended to ruthlessly bury Lupe knew, even putting the stage dad stuff aside, that this was an absolute pig of a man. And if I recall correctly there was something, perhaps on her side, where he was alleged to have been inappropriate with a female relative of Lupe’s. I never gave that one a second thought until now.

David’s a nice kid but I think much of his sheltered, childlike and overeager to please traits are a result of having to navigate around that horrible man. No wonder he just wants to escape into music or watch cartoons. Thank goodness for his mother.

Except that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s married and has kids, some of which are still quite young. Also, he has a son in the spotlight. That makes it even more difficult for the whole family to handle.

This is inexcusable. It’s a sad thing for David–but it explains a lot. David has always been reserved about praising his dad–but not reserved about expressing love for his mom. He never said publicly “I love my dad.” That used to bother me. Now I can sense why. Still, this has got to hurt a lot.

On the positive side–this keeps David’s name afloat in the media. Not in a good way, perhaps, but David himself remains unsullied and won’t suffer a loss of fans. What it does do is illustrate the huge contrast between David and his father.

Poor kid. With him being only 18 and with his rep for being rather wholesome, I hope the DJs and other interviewers do the right thing and follow the rules laid out by his peeps (which they will, not doubt about it) to not ask about this. He shouldn’t have to deal with this publicly. I’m sure he’s having a hard enough time dealing with this privately.

If this is true, I want to kick Jeff Archuleta in the nuts. Repeatedly. What a horrible thing to put his family through.

jpfan
Jun 17th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Soliciting a prostitute is just embarrassing. Again, if it wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t for the last name, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a complete non story which hopefully it ends up being in a day or two. The punishment seems to fit the crime though. And I guess he comes across as a hypocrite but what else is new.

It’s illegal, plain and simple.

Other Idols have had their families involved in scandals and nobody really holds it against them.

Nobody’s holding it against David; it seems most are holding it against Jeff.

It sounds like he is saying he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do anything to the woman, but she perhaps was doing something for him,

Where are you getting that? What his attorney said is:

Archuleta never had sex or sexual contact with his masseuse.

That’s a blanket denial, no wiggle room.

Poor Archie. I met him too, and you arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t going to find a sweeter kid than that.

Same here. I met him at the tour last summer and he’s an absolute doll. His mom must be the reason he turned out so good. His dad has major issues.

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just wrong when youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re married and have kids.

It’s wrong all the time in States where its illegal.

They are not old enough (David seems wholesome, but somewhat naive) to handle the stress of crap like this and very few of them come out the other side unscathed.

David will be okay. It’s a bummer, for sure. But he’s not 10 years old. He’s probably irritated (and disappointed) by it, not on the road to a breakdown. As sweet and wide-eyed as David seems, he appears to understand the world and his spot in it pretty well.

I bet there’s been a lot of “not talking about it” going on in their house, eh?

He also said it was the first time Archuleta had ever been to the establishment. He was there for a back problem.

Reminds me of Dudley Moore in Foul Play when he visited a house of ill repute and told the police that he was there for a massage – he had a bad back!

1. Reiki Massage is a type of massage that is performed in legitimate physical therapy clinics and in spas, so the name of the parlor being “Reiki Massage” is not indicative by itself that the massage parlor was of the type advertised in the middle of the night on porn channels. Having said that, the guy would not have pled to a misdemeanor if he hadn’t been doing something wrong.

2. I feel terrible for Archie. Sweet sweet kid. But how weird is it in retrospect that Jeff traveled with Archie on tour to “chaperone” him and shield him from inappropriate influences?

3. The silver lining in this story is that it will divert the gossipmonger websites from focusing on those photographs of David Cook and Lana Jade not having sex. Several months ago.

This is the reason that I am never excited to see kids (ie. David and Allisonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s age) in the media spotlight. They are not old enough (David seems wholesome, but somewhat naive) to handle the stress of crap like this and very few of them come out the other side unscathed.

David is 18 now and he’s done an excellent job handling the media spotlight so far. I have confidence he will continue to handle things well. I don’t think he’s naive at all. He’s a very honest and decent guy who refuses to put anyone else down. Perhaps people are misconstruing his happy outlook on life as being naive.

Oh people do go to legit massage therapists for back trouble, sure. But à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Reiki Massage?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  It sounds like one of those places with a neon light sign where half the letters donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t light up anymore, and heavy curtains covering all the windows. Sleazy, sleazy, sleazy. And if I recall correctly there was something, perhaps on her side, where he was alleged to have been inappropriate with a female relative of Lupeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s. I never gave that one a second thought until now.

Whoa, where did all this divorce stuff come from? How did I miss all this? I’m confused. Can someone explain?

BTW, Reiki is a type of massage, not the name of the place.

I didn’t read this that Mr. A. was merely soliciting. It says prostitution services were being performed and the recipient was Jeff. Not much defense there. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time because he was busted. He could hardly have pleaded innocent unless he is saying the woman forced herself on him. Highly doubtful if he paid her.

On the positive sideà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’this keeps Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s name afloat in the media.

There is nothing positive about this. It won’t hurt his career but it is extremely humiliating. I don’t even like the kid but this tugs at my heartstrings for him.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a blanket denial, no wiggle room.

Of course his lawyer can deny it now, the court case is pretty much done. He pled “no contest” and has a few requirements to fulfill. The police got his confession on tape when they interviewed him after the raid. They don’t care if he tries to save face publicly. Jeff Archuleta was there to see a prostitute. End of story.

Jeez, poor Archie.

I feel bad for David. But as a criminal defense attorney, one thing I can say with almost absolute certainty is: wrong place, wrong time…my ass.

You know, this makes me so angry for David. THIS is the man that refused to let David have a little taste of freedom and tour the UK on his own with his band, because he had to protect David from the scandalous behavior of McFly? Give me an effing break.

If this happened back in January, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand why Jeff wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have stepped down as Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s manager back then. Then he would not have been associated so much with Archie and his career if/when this news broke. That just seems so selfish of Jeff to me. I always got the impression that Jeff was more about himself than his son. So sad. I wonder if 19 knew a lot more about Jeff than we knew and that is why they chose not to manage Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career, knowing that Jeff was a total idiot. I feel very sad for Archie.

ITA. What the hell is Jeff still doing involved in David’s career? Glad he is PRODUCING David’s Christmas album. UGH. What a pig and a hypocrite.

Wonder what Jive and Azoff think about Jeff? I wish SOMEONE would take David under their wing and get him away from this creepazoid!!! Jeff will drive David’s career into the ground with his sick, selfish antics!!!!!

“Perhaps people are misconstruing his happy outlook on life as being naive.”

I see the “Naive” sign with neon lights flashing.

Poor kid. He was never the best at interviews to begin with, even with easy questions, and nothing about this is going to be easy for him. I wish the media would declare it off limits for his sake but since he is now over 18 most reporters are going to feel this is fair game. I hope he was warned but I wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t. What is with his Dad anyway? His wife is beautiful.

Although Archie is a teen so maybe Momma should be the more visible parent until this dies down.

Personally, I feel that it would be best for both parents to stay home, take care of their children, and deal with issues if they have them. David can handle himself.

Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a nice kid but I think much of his sheltered, naive, childlike and overeager to please traits are a result of having to navigate around that horrible man.

I will reserve judgement about Jeff until I find out more, but from following David very, very closely, I do not think he is as sheltered as one might think. I think he is just a gem of a person– sweet, loving, forgiving, and “innocent” by nature and by choice.

This is the reason that I am never excited to see kids (ie. David and Allisonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s age) in the media spotlight. They are not old enough (David seems wholesome, but somewhat naive) to handle the stress of crap like this and very few of them come out the other side unscathed.

Absolutely disagree. David handled more stress than most of the idols–and showed far more maturity than most. This won’t break David–it’ll make him stronger. As an artist this kind of suffering deepens him. It’s stuff like this that tells us where some of the angst in his singing is coming from–way beyond his years.

Will, I was reading the article that MJ posted.

“Once inside, they identified that prostitution was taking place and there was one client receiving the services.

Inside they found a female masseuse and a male client. At that point, Midvale Police say an interview took place and the male client admitted to receiving sexual gratification from the female masseuse.

According to court documents, that one client was 47-year-old James Jeffrey Archuleta, the father of American Idol contestant David Archuleta.”

Doesn’t that say “prostitution was taking place”, “one client receiving services”, “Male client admitted to receiving sexual gratification from the female masseuse”, “that client was James Jeffrey Archuleta”.

That’s where I got it.

BTW, Reiki is a type of massage, not the name of the place.

Ah ok. Thanks, Victoria. I learned something new today.

This is definitely an exception to the general rule that there is no such thing as bad publicity. It doesn’t damage Archie’s own reputation, but it’s going to put him through a lot of pain.

Not passing with me. LOL. But I just kept my mouth shut.

Just don’t tell me the “he was there for a back problem and it was the first time” part is not passing too?

In terms of career, I don’t think this will have any effect, but on a personal side, it really sucks for David.

As a big David fan, the only thing I have to say about any of this mess is that I love this kid to death–his talent and just his awesome, funny, sincere, generous personality I see on display in every bit of footage or interview I’ve ever seen. I hate that he and his sibling have to deal with this so publicly. As for what’s his name, I’m going to defer to the next person. I’m sure others here can fill in the blanks for me.

The media will eventually drop this; the blogs will keep the fire burning.

Unless he and his wife are legally separated or at the least planned to when this happened I can’t cut him any slack at all. No it’s not better than having an affair, it’s still being unfaithful to your spouse. If I found out my husband even approached a prostitute for sex, or oral sex or anything I would throw his ass out the door.

If anyone could get through something like this its Archie. That kid has more class and maturity than some adults I know.

Trina
Jun 17th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
“Unless he and his wife are legally separated or at the least planned to when this happened I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t cut him any slack at all. No ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not better than having an affair, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s still being unfaithful to your spouse. If I found out my husband even approached a prostitute for sex, or oral sex or anything I would throw his ass out the door.”

YES! ME TOO!

Inside they found a female masseuse and a male client. At that point, Midvale Police say an interview took place and the male client admitted to receiving sexual gratification from the female masseuse.

Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s attorney said he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Slight quibble: shouldn’t that read the right place at the wrong time?

I see the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Naiveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  sign with neon lights flashing.

If David were really naive he wouldn’t have “just kind of assumed” that Adam Lambert was gay. He gets the score. He’s just not very articulate, and he just says No to a lot of things most 18 year olds (and one father of an idol) would say Yes to.

“Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s illegal, plain and simple.”

So is smoking marijuana among other things. Even adultery is illegal in some states. I don’t want to defend Jeff for sleazy behavior. And if he’s coming on the young girls, he’s a complete creep. I just can’t get outraged over a guy getting a happy ending in a massage parlor. And other Idol parents have been involved in equally sleazy activities and haven’t had their covers blown. They even get admired here for being great parents.

However this is quite the embarrassment for the family.

Yes, sorry ShariG, now I see that’s what you were referring to. But Jeff’s attorney is now speaking on his behalf and is denying ANYTHING of a sexual nature took place. So that’s Jeff’s current statement on the matter. Basically, he’s calling the police liars.

“I just canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get outraged over a guy getting a happy ending in a massage parlor.”

WTF?????

“However this is quite the embarrassment for the family.”

That’s the main point.

If David were really naive he wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“just kind of assumedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  that Adam Lambert was gay.

I’m sure he’s learned about those bad, bad homosexuals in church.

But I agree “naive” may not be the best word. I am thinking “Avoidant.” We only know the tip of the iceberg with his dad, DA had to grow up with the man and his sleazy ways. Maybe diving into cartoons, music, and childlike behavior and interests rather than truly grow up, ala Michael Jackson in some ways, is how he’s kept his sanity. Nice kid, sad, sad family.

Ellie2 Jun 17th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

I feel bad for David. But as a criminal defense attorney, one thing I can say with almost absolute certainty is: wrong place, wrong timeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦my ass.

hey–What’s your thoughts about the proceedings? Are there ever times when a defendant will plead no contest to a class B misdemeanor, even if they are innocent? Isn’t it possible that, if Jeff is innocent, that he might plead no contest, pay his $582 and take the thinking right class because he thinks that it would result in less publicity and there’s no risk of conviction if he performs?

WTF! OMG this is crazy! What the heck is Jeff thinking? Well it shows that no family is perfect. If I were Lupe, I would divorce his ass this time around. Well it’s up to her. I am sure the family is hurting from this. A massage at that kind of parlor, come on Jeff, bullshit. David you need new management ASAP!!! You are 18 now, you don’t need your dad on tour, your tour manager Ray is good enough.

WTH is with them changing band members again, ok. Sorry off topic, but I hope it’s not because of Jeff too. I am totally disgusted by Jeff. He is going to ruin David’s career. I rather see his mom on tour with him. She at least gives him space. I didn’t get to talk to Jeff when I met David in Florida. David is such a sweet kid and I hate that this is happening to him. First Jon and Kate Plus 8 and now Jeff Archuleta busted for soliciting prostitution. My whole perception of the perfect family has gone to hell. Ok there really isn’t a perfect family out there. LOL

I feel so bad for David. I hope his family is staying strong. I hope David will get the guts to tell Jeff to fuck off one day. If not, call me David, I will do it for you.
I am just shocked! Wow!

I wonder if Jeff even clued Archie or Azoff in about this. I wouldn’t put it past him to think that he could keep everything under the radar since he went to his “thinking” class. God, get this creep away from Archie….and his poor mother.

omg… i can see this exploding in the headlines tomorrow…poor archie

“If David were really naive he wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“just kind of assumedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  that Adam Lambert was gay. He gets the score. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just not very articulate, and he just says No to a lot of things most 18 year olds (and one father of an idol) would say Yes to.”

I hope you’re right. But kids as young as elementary school have their gaydar on, but they are still very naive about a lot of things.

Jeff’s attorney can try to sell the public on the “wrong place wrong time, he had a back problem, blah blah blah” all he wants but the police raided, found prostitution in progress (we know what THAT means), and then Jeff admitted it to them. There might be a few naive kids at IDF who will buy the lawyer’s spin but the rest of the world won’t. He’d be better off saying “no comment, it is a family matter.”

Anybody who read the divorce papers Jeff filed, where he clearly intended to ruthlessly bury Lupe knew, even putting the stage dad stuff aside, that this was an absolute pig of a man. And if I recall correctly there was something, perhaps on her side, where he was alleged to have been inappropriate with a female relative of Lupeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s. I never gave that one a second thought until now.

Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a nice kid but I think much of his sheltered, childlike and overeager to please traits are a result of having to navigate around that horrible man. No wonder he just wants to escape into music or watch cartoons. Thank goodness for his mother.

According to the divorce papers, that never got finalized, the Dad got full custody of the kids and the Mom was only allowed to see them if members of her extended family were not around. Reportedly, one of them had talked two young female family members into accusing the Dad of child molestation. The National Enquirer, that bastion of truth, had actual copies of the complaint and the divorce papers. My guess is the Dad got full custody because of the unsubstantiated child molestation reports, which is not an uncommon decision in cases of false accusations. By the way, the Mom was going to have to pay the Dad child support.

And I’m sorry but the Mom must have some kind of issues herself to stay with him.

I just canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get outraged over a guy getting a happy ending in a massage parlor.

I can, because its incredibly sleazy on its own, much less when a guy the still married with children (don’t care the status). He’s also a public figure, heavily involved in his son’s career. Not to mention that he’s endangering his wife with the possibility of STDs. Guessing this was the first time he got caught at that particular massage parlor…

And other Idol parents have been involved in equally sleazy activities and havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t had their covers blown. They even get admired here for being great parents.

Like who? And what?

According to the divorce papers, that never got finalized, the Dad got full custody of the kids and the Mom was only allowed to see them if members of her extended family were not around. Reportedly, one of them had talked two young female members into accusing the Dad of child molestation. The National Enquirer, that bastion of truth, had actual copies of the complaint and the divorce papers. My guess is the Dad got full custody because of the unsubstantiated child molestation reports, which is not an uncommon decision in case of false accusations. By the way, the Mom was going to have to pay the Dad child support.

From what I remember that is what Jeff’s lawyer was trying to get. He was ruthless about taking those kids from Lupe, a stay at home mom from what I understand. Not exactly the type to put his kids first. I don’t think he had actually won anything in court yet, it never got to that point. But according to his side of the divorce papers he fully intended to take those kids from her. And people wonder why he’s considered a control freak?? And the molestation stuff was disputed by Jeff but I never saw that it was actually proven to be a lie. It was just swept under the rug when the family reunited after the $$ came in for Star Search.

All the Enquirer did was find the divorce papers. Jeff’s own tactics told the story loud and clear.

heyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s your thoughts about the proceedings? Are there ever times when a defendant will plead no contest to a class B misdemeanor, even if they are innocent? Isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t it possible that, if Jeff is innocent, that he might plead no contest, pay his $582 and take the thinking right class because he thinks that it would result in less publicity and thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no risk of conviction if he performs?

If my client had the chance of getting his conviction expunged after taking a class/paying a fine, etc., I would probably urge him to take the plea because the chance of winning a case like this at trial is slim to none. Having said that, I can say that in this type of situation the defendant is most often guilty of exactly what they are charged with. I don’t mean to sound like a cynical lawyer, but it’s true. This isn’t the type of case where we’re dealing with a faulty witness identification or the cops making a mistake with evidence. It’s probably a pretty straight forward, what-you-see-is-what-you-get type of case. Although this could always be the exception to the general rule.

I would divorce his ass this time around.

She’s got three kids under 18 and no income. She is not getting divorced.

Oh crap… well first I hope David and his family are ok,or as ok as you could be in this kind of situation.

Second I dont think Jeff, or Lupe, would discusse this with his children, David included, what are you gonna said:
“Hey Kids,I just got busted with a female friend ”… “so we are gonna have some problems wih the press…” “they are gonna be annoying like 2 years ago, but dont worry everything is gonna be just fine…”

If it happend maybe they fought it will die with hte bail and the plea… after all we are finding out about it 5 months later…

I will hope that Jeff will step out of the public view and David get in with a real MANAGER and a good PR people…

And Jeff stay at home PLEASE…

The good thing is, if the dad was trying to take custody away from the mom, maybe this will help her retain custody.

There is nothing positive about this. It wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t hurt his career but it is extremely humiliating. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even like the kid but this tugs at my heartstrings for him.

Yes, it’s his father–so he’ll feel humiliated. But this story will spread far and wide–and so will David’s fame. People will make the distinctions they need to make–the way the public distinguished between Hillary and Bill. None of this touches on David’s own sterling character.

I guess I always figured Jeff was a sleaze but I guess I can see where people are coming from if they bought that whole happy family stuff. I have known one guy who got caught in a similiar situation. He learned his lesson and kept his family together. And he’s a great dad and husband now. It is possible.

I think it’s the combo of angelic Archie and prostitution that must have everyone freaked out. I think if it was Adam Lambert’s dad no one would give much of a rat’s ass. But I see Archie being a teen and the whole Mormon thing makes this different. Also Jeff is his manager so he’s more high profile. A sticky widget indeed.

Oh. My. God. I feel so horrible for Archie. That kid has a heart of gold and does not deserve this. What a total shit storm for the poor boy. I never liked his father but I would never have wished this on Archie. I hope Dave Cook steps up and offer some support to Archie behind the scenes if nothing else. I feel AWFUL for the poor boy.

Will, but doesn’t the attorney’s statement really mean that Jeff didn’t have sex with the prostitute or do anything sexual to her? It doesn’t say that he didn’t allow her to do anything sexual to him. That is what I meant by the two statements, he said he was guilty/attorney says he was innocent, aren’t really in disagreement. He’s not guilty of banging the masseuse or doing anything sexual to her, but he is guilty of allowing her to do something sexual to him.

Lawyerese is so easy to misinterpret. I could be wrong.

Suzanne
Jun 17th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
‘I would divorce his ass this time around.’

“Sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s got three kids under 18 and no income. She is not getting divorced”

What??? I’ve got three kids under 18. I would never stay in that situation. Ugh….

I am totally disgusted by Jeff. He is going to ruin Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career. I rather see his mom on tour with him.

He’s 18 now, why does he need either parent on tour with him?

Sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s got three kids under 18 and no income. She is not getting divorced.

She does now have a son who makes a not insignificant amount of income. That son also appears to be one who would make sure his mother and siblings werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t hurting if he had the power to help them.

CSFan, I also think it is hard for Lupe to defend herself because she doesn’t seem to have that much grasp of English. Jeff on the other hand does. She seemed to need him to translate for her during the finals. Is that true? I was actually just surmising that from what I observed. I have never met her.

I hope Dave Cook steps up and offer some support to Archie behind the scenes if nothing else.

He could give Archie Lana Jade’s number! *and now I’ll take my seat on the train to hell*

If David were really naive he wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“just kind of assumedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  that Adam Lambert was gay

Ask elementary kids to see what they are gonnna say if you show them pictures of Adam Lambert kissing a guy .

but I guess I can see where people are coming from if they bought that whole happy family stuff.

That’s an assumption. What I’m reading here are people who take issue with a man who would cheat on his wife and humiliate his kids. I these are pretty normal and understandable reactions I’m reading here. No pre-conceived notions necessary.

“I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the combo of angelic Archie and prostitution that must have everyone freaked out.”

That’s a big part of it for me. And also that David is a teen. And why would his dad risk this kind of ugly publicity for his son whose star is rising???? That’s very selfish to me.

I think if it was Adam Lambertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s dad no one would give much of a ratà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s ass. But I see Archie being a teen makes this different.

And being Mormon. The situation makes Jeff into a far greater hypocrite (if he’s guilty) than someone who isn’t a member of a religion that preaches no sex before marriage and otherwise claims to have higher moral standards than everyone else. Your average non-Mormon, had-sex-before-marriage, doesn’t-go-to-church-on-Sundays, occasionally-gets-tanked-at-a-party guy looks like an angel now.

Bad male role models at a time when their sons are becoming men just make me so angry. The ugliness of those divorce papers make me think David was probably aware then and now of who his father is. Would be impossible to hide that kind of discord from the children.

I think if it was Adam Lambertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s dad no one would give much of a ratà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s ass. But I see Archie being a teen makes this different.

WTF? How does this relate to Adam’s dad who is divorced with adult kids? The situation isn’t the same, but I’d be grossed out if Dadbert was caught in a similar situation.

Jeff always struck me as creepy, too. But there’s nothing vanilla about what he did in my eyes, and trust me, I’m quite liberal. How his family deals with it is a private matter, but its a matter of public record and I feel for David. It could be a private matter if his son was not famous, but Dadchuleta wanted that for his son, didn’t he?

If David’s mom has a language barrier that would prohibit her from having gainful employment, then I sincerely apologize. Sorry.

nevermind

oh, Archie. I feel so bad for the poor kid.

Will, but doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the attorneyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s statement really mean that Jeff didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have sex with the prostitute or do anything sexual to her?

No, the article said:

James Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s attorney Eric Bauer said Archuleta never had sex or sexual contact with his masseuse.

That’s ruling out “happy endings” or anything else.

I just cannot believe we’re discussing these things here! First, it’s Adam going to sex clubs, now this!

Sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s got three kids under 18 and no income. She is not getting divorced.

Yeah you are right, but at the same time I would think she would get child support if she divorced him now. Jeff is getting a cut of everything that David makes so I am sure Lupe would get a cut of that. Also I am sure David will not leave his mom and siblings starving in the streets. I think I was speaking from personal matters since my dad was also a cheater. Oh well, poor Archie.
This would pay in great favor for Lupe right now. Yeah Jeff saw dollar signs when Archie somewhat made it. The only income right now in this family is from David and from Jeff milking off David. This is just really sad.

What??? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve got three kids under 18. I would never stay in that situation.

Do you make money independent of your spouse?

She does now have a son who makes a not insignificant amount of income. That son also appears to be one who would make sure his mother and siblings werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t hurting if he had the power to help them.

Imagine David having the burden of supporting his mother and other siblings?

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s very selfish to me.

That is it. Your sentence completely summed it all up for me. It was selfish.

I never read the divorce papers, but I did follow a link to Jeff’s E Bay profile. He had TONS of complaints lodged against him for doing bad business.

When all the bad press came out about Jeff, of course Archie defended him. I would have too if I were in Archie’s shoes. But I never became convinced that there was no truth to some of those rumors. Where there is smoke there’s fire.

I see the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Naiveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  sign with neon lights flashing.

Archie was recently asked about who he might date. He remarked that he wouldn’t date someone younger at this time as that would be illegal. Yes, I understand there is some discretion allowed for an 18 year-old to date someone a year or two younger, but the fact that such an issue even crosses his mind tells me that he most definitely isn’t naive.

Wouldn’t this been around the time they would have been in negotiations for having David open for Demi Lovato? I don’t think Hollywood Records and Disney would have been happy about this. Good thing Utah has the strictest privacy laws in the nation; by making this type of plea he insured nothing would be made public until the end of the six months. Even if he was innocent, the publicity would have nixed the Lovato tour deal. All those dates in all those big arenas.

OMFG

i have no words.

I am curious as to why this has surfaced now if it occurred in January. I imagine Archie has known about it for some time unless Jeff is an even bigger scumbag and kept him in the dark. Surely he would know that it wouldn’t be kept secret for ever and eventually it would cause bad publicity for the whole family including David. It would only be fair to warn Archie so he could prepare for it and not be taken by surprise.

Someone mentioned other parents of Idols being involved in unsavory behavior. Who? I haven’t heard anything about any of the parents. In fact, I met both David Cook’s mother and father and step father during the tour last year. They could not have been nicer. They were the first parents I really ever saw or heard much about on Idol. I would be even more “gobsmacked” (love that discriptive word) if this had been Kris Allen’s father. He seems like such a sweetheart and absolutely devoted to his family. Adam’s parents also seemed really nice. Was I just not paying attention? I don’t remember ever seeing other parents before Season 7.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s learned about those bad, bad homosexuals in church.

I must stand up and say that you will find nothing but love in the Mormon Church (in the services and everything that is written) for all people. Just because a religion teaches that a certain behavior is a sin, does not mean they teach hate.

Also, just because a church teaches members to live by high standards does not mean there are not many imperfect people in the church. Remember, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

One more comment: to add on to MJ’s comment and weese’s. David is NOT naive. Brave face, strong, positive, optimistic, awkward, yes. But NOT naive. That is becoming more clear as time passes.

I did follow a link to Jeffà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s E Bay profile. He had TONS of complaints lodged against him for doing bad business.

Wow, I had no idea about this. Always wondered how he made a living – he was bankrupt at the time of the divorce and his “business” never seemed all that sophisticated to me (no working website, etc.) Wonder what really happened to that Star Search money…

Thanks for your post RemusL;

But I still see David as naive, although I’m sure he has grown immensely over the year. But understanding some things, doesn’t mean you are savvy about many things. Also, you can understand what is politically correct to say, but not really understand it completely, emotionally.

But you know what? I hope he is mature, savvy and not naive. I really do. His stupid dad saddled him with some yucky stuff to deal with.

Sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s got three kids under 18 and no income. She is not getting divorced.

My gut feeling is that now Archie is 18 and a legal adult, he will break his professional ties with his dad. He is making plenty of money that he can support his mom. This won’t hurt Archie, but it will force him to grow up even more than he has this past year.

David has talked about his starsearch money. It is in the bank.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s learned about those bad, bad homosexuals in church.

If he has, he doesn’t reflect those views publicly. Not at all. He’s not naive, though he’s innocent. There’s a difference. He’s pure of heart from choice, not because he lacks understanding that sleaze exists.

If Jeff had any class, he’d step down as David’s manager–for the sake of his son. David needs to put a lot of space between himself and his father right now.

Suzanne
Jun 17th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
What??? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve got three kids under 18. I would never stay in that situation.

Do you make money independent of your spouse?

Actually, I don’t. But I could. That’s why I posted this:

iluvai
Jun 17th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
If Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s mom has a language barrier that would prohibit her from having gainful employment, then I sincerely apologize. Sorry.

Try reading upthread.

Isn’t Archie basically supporting the whole family anyway?

I met Archie’s Dad once and watched him “work” the fans another. I thought he was very calculated and creepy. He knew what he was doing. I never could get over the fan worship of him. No comments other than praise were allowed. I understand that his fans were protecting Archie – nobody wants to hear bad stuff about their father. But, none of this surprises me at all.

I feel sorry for Archie. He does so want to please everyone. I’m sure he has a lot of support and true friends. He’s a great guy.

If Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s mom has a language barrier that would prohibit her from having gainful employment, then I sincerely apologize. Sorry.

I think Lupe can speak english… seh was born here in Honduras, but the people I know from Mormon church have told me taht they are teach to speack in english… and she does have live in US for more than 20s years…

Stage parents are creepy. David C. ‘s and Kris A.’s and Adam L.’s and many other parents should be congratulated for supporting their kids’ ambitions, but for not trying to capitalize on them.

I am curious as to why this has surfaced now if it occurred in January.

When he entered into the plea, a stipulation could have been to seal the records until the end of the abeyance period. One of the reasons for making his plea that way, may have been to hide the incident until now. If this came out in January, I don’t think Hollywood Records/Disney would have been all that hot to have David open for Demi. By making the plea this way he kept it out of the news until now, just four days before the tour kicks off.

Some of the Twitters to Jeff are scaring me a bit. People are calling him “a great dad no matter what” and to “keep it up”?

What?? It’s Stagedadgate all over again.

I’m sure Disney is sooo excited to have him on the bill with their newest princess. :rolleyes_tb: Then again, they might be okay with it. They’ gotten better at handling scandals thanks to Miley Cyrus & Crew.

If Jeff had any class, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d step down as Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s managerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’for the sake of his son. David needs to put a lot of space between himself and his father right now.

Well, he obviously has NO class, because if he did he would have chosen to step down months ago after this incident first occurred. He would not be producing David’s Christmas album, which is a whole other reason for concern.

I see what people are saying about David not being as naive as he seems. That said, if David knew about this months ago he could have also taken steps to have Jeff removed as his manager. But I don’t think David is quite mature enough yet to stand up to his dad in this way. Instead Jeff has insinuated himself even further into David’s career, getting himself and his Utah buds involved in David’s production as well as management.

I hope someone David trusts within the industry (Mike Krompass?) can become a strong mentor figure for him and steer him in the right direction, for the sake of his career,

I must stand up and say that you will find nothing but love in the Mormon Church (in the services and everything that is written) for all people.

Oh that was LOVE written on the brick that thrown at me in my school bus? Here I thought it was the word Heathen.

Sorry but as kid who grew up Non Mormon in Sandy City Utah I can tell you that the Book might be chock full of love, but the church pews are not.

If David were really naive he wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“just kind of assumedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  that Adam Lambert was gay. He gets the score. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just not very articulate, and he just says No to a lot of things most 18 year olds (and one father of an idol) would say Yes to.

Well put. *nod*

I’ve never had the greatest impression of his dad, but I always felt the press exaggerated over him. Now I’m really starting to wonder, but mostly I just feel bad for Archie.

Holy crap indeed! That was my reaction when I refreshed this page. Always thought old Jeff was a sleazeball… guess I was right. This is really embarrassing for all concerned. Sorry David.

Well, well, well. So stage-daddy is not in fact a sophisticated businessman who ran a successful business for years and didn’t need to sponge of his kid? Shocking.

And, he’s a scumbag perv too? Man, he’s an overachiever.

After reading all of those tales about fans meeting Stage-daddy and what a truly wonderful human being he was, I must say I’m shocked that it turns out he really was an uber-controlling leachy asshat the whole time.

His divorce filing just oozes control-freak, intimidator.

Poor Archie. Man, this must really suck for him.

Stage-daddy’s lawyer can say whatever he wants after the fact (they all do). But, the police statement is pretty clear. Jeff was in a house of prostitution receiving sexual services for money. He admitted it. I wonder if that massage parlor was recommended by his doctor when he went to go see him for his alleged back problems? Do they take Jeff’s HMO? Yeah, whatever shithead. No one believes you were there by accident.

Stage-Daddy finally gets his wish. His kid is famous, he’s touring the world, and stage-daddy even gets to be on the payroll, just like he’s planned all along. And that’s still not enough to make him content with his life. He still needs to go out and fuck things up for his family because he’s a selfish bastard.

I seriously doubt that the record company is going to let Jeff stay on in any kind of capicity with David. David’s probably already supporting his entire family, so I doubt a divorce between his parents would change much about that. Although, they’ll probably have some kind of Culkin showdown to see who gets to keep ownership of the other possibly talented kids and pimp them out for major cash.

This is really heartbreaking news. I could care less about the details of Jeff’s case. Whatever happened, he was incredibly, stunningly stupid and he got busted. Unless this is a 100% fabricated story, Jeff is totally selfish and irresponsible and he deserves the shit storm that is going to rain down on him. I am so saddened about how extremely painful and difficult this is going to be for David and the rest of their family once the press latches onto this. Humiliation is right. I agree that this won’t break David’s career, but it may alter the path slightly…how can such a huge personal trauma like this not affect someone?

I doubt that this has been kept from David since the incident first happened though, so my hope is that he’s already been dealing with this betrayal for the past few months and has reached some inner peace with it. David is absolutely not naive. He CHOOSES to see the best in people and crap situations, and makes conscious decisions to not to speak negatively about anyone or anything, which is not the same as being a naive, innocent kid. He totally knows what’s going on. He is extremely philosophical about life and mature for his age, which I know will help his get through this with grace. I think we’ll see David show an incredible strength through the next few days. Unfortunately, this will blow up in the press and David will have to face it.

This has potential ramifications for David’s professional responsibilities and if Jeff had any decency and brains left, he would have been open with Azoff and Jive so they would be prepared to do damage control once the news inevitably got out. This is going to be awful.

SpenserJ
Jun 17th, 2009 at 11:37 pm

Wicked, funny post. But the whole story is sad.

“He still needs to go out and fuck things up for his family because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a selfish bastard.”

My sentiments exactly!!!

Now I’m off to happier things like sleep.

Some of the Twitters to Jeff are scaring me a bit. People are calling him à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“a great dad no matter whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“keep it upà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ?

What?? Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Stagedadgate all over again.

Only a truly over-invested uber-fan would develop some kind of attachment to an AI contestant’s parent. An attachment so strong that they feel the need to pump him up and be there to “support” him. Mind-boggling.

the Book might be chock full of love, but the church pews are not.

The church teaches love, but there are many imperfect people in it, as there are in all churches. As far as the brick, unless you had evidence about an actual person who threw it, it could have been anyone.

I always wondered if Archie’s Mom was a mail order bride, or it was one of those green card type things. She seemed way more attractive than Dadchuleta. Not that looks are all that important, but his personality seemed off as well.

However, upon further reflection, this might be a good thing for David. Not now, of course. It sucks. But I can’t believe this is the first time it has happened. Most people don’t get caught at first, and that gives them confidence to repeat and repeat until they finally do.

This might be the event that allows Archie to finally cut some apron strings with a controlling, overbearing, selfish father. That’s a good thing. Trying to look for a silver lining here.

If this came out in January, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Hollywood Records/Disney would have been all that hot to have David open for Demi. By making the plea this way he kept it out of the news until now, just four days before the tour kicks off.

Man I wish this would of came out earlier so that Archie wouldn’t have to tour with Demi. I hear the tour isn’t doing that well in the sales department either. Archie needs to open for a more legitimate act right now in the beginning of his career. Demi is WAY too Disney and really not that famous. Oh well, wonder whose bright idea that was?

I hope that David has the the balls one day to fire Jeff’s ass. LOL. That’s right Jeff works for David, he can so fire him, maybe he can’t yet because of a contract? This really sucks for David. Well now people have something to talk about again.

If this came out in January, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Hollywood Records/Disney would have been all that hot to have David open for Demi.

Interesting point. David’s wholesomeness was above reproach–till now. It still technically is, as far as his own person goes. But still the sleaze attaches to him indirectly, however unfair this may seem. The scandal is like an atmosphere surrounding him.

That said, I never did like the path Jive was taking with David. This kid has more soul than most singers out there–and his adult fans were being short-changed by Jive’s Disneyfying him. Now maybe he can move in another, more adult direction.

It never was true that David was naive–as anyone who really listened to him sing during Season 7 would have noticed. He sang Apologize convincingly, for instance–like somebody well-acquainted with emotional pain. Don’t Let the Sun Go Down on Me likewise was full of aggressive power and angst. He can put a lot of anger and sass and sexiness in his singing–traits he hardly ever shows otherwise. So there are two sides to David–his public persona–and the man behind the Voice.

Radar online now has a few more details……

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/06/exclusive-interview-cops-reveal-how-they-busted-david-archuletas-dad

Only a truly over-invested uber-fan would develop some kind of attachment to an AI contestantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s parent. An attachment so strong that they feel the need to pump him up and be there to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“supportà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  him. Mind-boggling.

That IS mindboggling. If the peeps absolutely must tweet, they should leave supportive messages on David’s twitter. I believe his brother has a twitter too.

I could entertain the backache, gee I didn’t know she did THAT… oh I never touched her, she never touched me…down there…

But he confessed. Admitted it. My guess is that this is not his first visit. He is a bit old to have just thunk up this little gem of an idea.

This is a tough one for me. I am pretty much live and let live. I could care less if men want to pay for it. Make it legal. Collect taxes.

But as soon as your actions are hurting someone else…. Doesn’t square anymore.

You should see some of the hookers men will pay. Oh my. Missing teeth (not enough to make it worthwhile), filthy, druggies…. ugh. I used to go out with the detectives to interview them. good gawd I couldn’t believe it. I asked the male detective why why why….. mostly it was oral sex he tells me. Guess people should get that all cleared up before they get married. You know, put the deal breakers out on the table.

Guy pays for a hand job.Gets a 582$ fine and goes to a class for it.All hell breaks out.
Adam admits to using Class A drugs. Possession can get you up to seven years in jail.Never says he regrets it or stopped doing it.Most of adam’s fans say no big deal.
Thats whats wrong with america if you like someone its ok if not lets trash them.

The church teaches love, but there are many imperfect people in it, as there are in all churches. As far as the brick, unless you had evidence about an actual person who threw it, it could have been anyone.

Oh I know who threw it. And I know who told me my dog was going to second heaven. And I know who told me it was ok that I was molested because I wasn’t a Mormon. Sorry but fluffly bunny time is not flying with me as far as the LDS go.

One positive aspect: Now David really has something to write a song about.

Is Jeff Archuleta the horrible self centered control freak some think him to be, or is he a relatively decent person who has created a terrible situation for his family? I am sure David knows the real Jeff Archuleta. What pains me the most is that such a terrific kid like David will now have to deal with this crap. I am sure he will demonstrate his usual grace and dignity under these trying circumstances.

Oh I know who threw it. And I know who told me my dog was going to second heaven. And I know who told me it was ok that I was molested because I wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a Mormon. Sorry but fluffly bunny time is not flying with me as far as the LDS go.

Whoever you are talking about sounds totally screwed up. Doesn’t make any sense to me.

“Guy pays for a hand job.Gets a 582$ fine and goes to a class for it.All hell breaks out.”

The dude is married. That’s what’s wrong with it. And he acts like he is a perfect saint. I admire the people who own their behavior.

That client was Jeff Archuleta. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“We read him his Miranda rights twice. The second time because he said he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand them the first,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  said Salazar. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“During the questioning, he said heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d found the place on Craigà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s List. He was asked if heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d received any sexual services and he said he had.

What? So Stage-daddy apparently is not a fan of Law & Order. What American with a tv does not under stand the Miranda warning??

I hope that David has the the balls one day to fire Jeffà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s ass.

Hopefully, Jeff’s contract has a Morality Clause.

Wicked, funny post. But the whole story is sad.

Why thank you And, I agree it’s sad. I’m being 100% sincere when I say that I feel a lot of sympathy for David in this situation. I know what it’s like to have a complete shithead for a dad, and it sucks.

“Why thank you And, I agree ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sad. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m being 100% sincere when I say that I feel a lot of sympathy for David in this situation. I know what ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s like to have a complete shithead for a dad, and it sucks.”

Me too.

The dude is married. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wrong with it. And he acts like he is a perfect saint.

that’s right. The question isn’t: Which is worse, getting sex for money or taking drugs (which I assume was illegal where Adam did that)? Adam didn’t hurt anyone except maybe himself when he did that. Jeff hurt his family a lot.

Steve:Guy pays for a hand job.Gets a 582$ fine and goes to a class for it.All hell breaks out.
Adam admits to using Class A drugs. Possession can get you up to seven years in jail.Never says he regrets it or stopped doing it.Most of adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans say no big deal.
Thats whats wrong with america if you like someone its ok if not lets trash them.

The fact that he is hurting other people with his actions. His family, his son. This makes it different that hurting yourself.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“We read him his Miranda rights twice. The second time because he said he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand them the first,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  said Salazar.

How can you not understand the Miranda rights?

During the questioning, he said heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d found the place on Craigà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s List.

Craig’s List. Klassy and oh-so-original.

Guy pays for a hand job.Gets a 582$ fine and goes to a class for it.All hell breaks out.

How do you know what he paid for? Could have been much more, especially considering the new details.

Adam admits to using Class A drugs. Possession can get you up to seven years in jail.Never says he regrets it or stopped doing it.Most of adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans say no big deal.

Did Dadchuleta express any remorse? No, he’s now denying it through his lawyer. I prefer honesty. Also, I guess I don’t believe some of the drug laws in our country fit the crime. They flood the prisons with users and are wimpy on the suppliers. So, that’s my bias. And you’re assuming Adam “possessed” and didn’t just try something he was given. I don’t know what is considered a Class A drug, but I’m assuming the X. Was that illegal in Germany? I don’t know.

Thats whats wrong with america if you like someone its ok if not lets trash them.

I don’t see anyone trashing Archie. I do see outrage directed towards his Dad. I honestly don’t see how these two issues compare. Apples and Oranges. And yes, I like both Archie and Adam as people. I’m not into Archie’s music and I can’t say if I’ll love Adam’s until I hear it.

ETA: As for what is wrong with America, isn’t that the equivalent of free speech? LOL.

David and his family had to deal with this back when it happened and now have to deal with it again but this time in front of everyone. It makes my stomach turn.

One positive aspect: Now David really has something to write a song about.

Thats gotta be the last thing on his mind right now.

Suzanne
Jun 17th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
If the peeps absolutely must tweet, they should leave supportive messages on Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s twitter. I believe his brother has a twitter too.

I’m sure this is well intentioned, but nobody should be tweeting David or his brother about this. Not even to be “supportive”. I’m sure he knows his fans are feeling for him in this situation, the best thing we can do for him is give him the respect of some privacy over a very personal matter.

But David doesn’t sing country music…

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“During the questioning, he said heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d found the place on Craigà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s List. He was asked if heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d received any sexual services and he said he had.

Snort!!! Craig’s List…really. Bad back my ass. If you have a bad back that you need therapy for, you don’t look up “massage parlor” on Craig’s List. Ask your doctor or chiropractor for a referral you douche. And I completely agree, this wasn’t ole Jeffy’s first time at a massage parlor, just the first time he got caught.

Aren’t arrest records public record??? Regardless of his plea bargin, wouldn’t this have shown up on a daily arrest report??? Anyone out there with more knowledge of how this works got an answer??

cay Jun 17th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

Isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Archie basically supporting the whole family anyway?

Yeah, pretty much. All evidence points towards him doing so for quite some time. That’s the saddest part to me.

I feel bad for the embarrassment David will feel, but I’m sure he’ll be fine. He’s dealt with other parental crap in the past.

It wouldn’t surprise me if he kept this from his family when it happened. Especially the kids. That would be pretty common, when hoping it would stay quiet. But I’m hoping David knew about it before it became public.

Arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t arrest records public record??? Regardless of his plea bargin, wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t this have shown up on a daily arrest report??? Anyone out there with more knowledge of how this works got an answer??

Arrest records are public, yes, but for some reason the ones for Utah seem to be particularly dificult to find. I had no trouble tracking down records for the state I live in a few month ago, but I can’t find any for Utah. Strange.

Craigà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s List. Klassy and oh-so-original.

Craig’s list sure does seem to be ground zero for perverted behavior these days. I wouldn’t be surprised if people were buying kilos of cocaine on there and no one’s noticed yet.

Is Jeff Archuleta the horrible self centered control freak some think him to be,

All evidence would indicate that yes, he is.

or is he a relatively decent person who has created a terrible situation for his family?

Decent people do not try and bury their wives in divorce court. They do not attempt to take a woman’s children away from her as an intimidation tactic. They do not micromanage their child’s life until he is the perfect performing monkey / cash cow. Decent people do not seek out the sex trade on Craig’s List. And decent people certainly do not pay for sexual favors from prositutes in low rent sublet offices.

steve
Jun 17th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Guy pays for a hand job.Gets a 582$ fine and goes to a class for it.All hell breaks out.
Adam admits to using Class A drugs. Possession can get you up to seven years in jail.Never says he regrets it or stopped doing it.Most of adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans say no big deal.
Thats whats wrong with america if you like someone its ok if not lets trash them.

:clap_tb:

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure this is well intentioned, but nobody should be tweeting David or his brother about this. Not even to be à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“supportiveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure he knows his fans are feeling for him in this situation, the best thing we can do for him is give him the respect of some privacy over a very personal matter

Totally agree that it would be best for David’s fans just to give him some space. I know the words of support would be coming from good intentions, but I think David would probably appreciate not getting hundreds of messages about this. I know I would certainly freak out.

Arrest records are public, yes, but for some reason the ones for Utah seem to be particularly dificult to find. I had no trouble tracking down records for the state I live in a few month ago, but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t find any for Utah. Strange.

It often depends on the state or the county and the type of record. Sometimes you have to go in person to see them. Some records are online. Really varies. No doubt a lot of it depends on the money they have to invest in electronic records and converting the antiquated systems.

ETA: Besides, who would think to search Utah public records in January for arrest records involving Dadchuleta? Not me.

“Arrest records are public, yes, but for some reason the ones for Utah seem to be particularly dificult to find. I had no trouble tracking down records for the state I live in a few month ago, but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t find any for Utah. Strange.”

Watch 20/20.

I sent two of the officers in and the male was on his stomach on the table with a masseuse in lace underwear.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

SNARK ALERT!!!!

Bet that lacy underwear wasn’t church sanctioned :devil_tb:

Omg, poor Archie! I really don’t know what to say.. At least he’s 18 now that he can hopefully do this for himself now. However, I think he’s still so innocent that I want him to find a real manager to protect his interests. I always felt that since AI a lot of the people around him are using him- the dad to fullfil his own fantasies of making it as a musician, the voice coach, etc..

It often depends on the state or the county and the type of record. Sometimes you have to go in person to see them. Some records are online. Really varies. No doubt a lot of it depends on the money they have to invest in electronic records and converting the antiquated systems.

Ah, I see. That makes sense, then. Thanks for the info

Arrest records are public, yes, but for some reason the ones for Utah seem to be particularly dificult to find. I had no trouble tracking down records for the state I live in a few month ago, but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t find any for Utah. Strange.

Yep. What PJ said. The original definition of public records is that they must be held in a place where citizens can view them. All states have their own little rules too. Most public records are actually County records though – not state records. So, it depends on whether or not that County puts their public records up online. For some – you’d still need to go down to the Hall of Records and look it up.

As to other Idols’ parents having had “issues”, season 5 had Kellie Pickler with her convict dad and mother who had abandoned her, and there was a bit of ink spent on Taylor’s parents and their ugly divorce along with his mom’s hinted at alcohol addiction.

Season 6 had Sanjaya, who’s mother and stepfather have a police record for growing pot.

But I seriously don’t think *any* idol has had to deal with anything quite this sleazy. And the fact that Jeff is Archie’s manager is going to cause some problems. I feel badly for David. His dad is a complete lowlife to have pulled a stunt like this knowing how involved he is in David’s professional life. That’s not even taking into account the damage on a personal level, which is unforgivable.

Really, the asshole needs to just go the fuck away and stay there.

And maybe IÂ ´m being anive but knowing David, maybe he didnt even know, until now, what hapenned…my dad just told me that sometimes it sucks to be famous… this has to be one of this times… is enough bad that he, or anyone, have to deal with this kind of things, as to have to deal with them in public…

Wow. It sucks that a guy like David has to deal with this crap.

Besides, who would think to search Utah public records in January for arrest records involving Dadchuleta? Not me.

Hey PJ I was thinking Midvale is a small suburb of SLC and has its own small newspaper. You know some poor intern may have to go thru the police blotter. Thought maybe the name might have caught someones attention.

Well, I actually think that Sanjaya’s mom is a bigger dirtbag than Stage-daddy. She doesn’t just have drug charges. She was growing and selling pot. She’s a fucking drug dealer. Plus – from what I understand – she spent a lot of time NOT raising Sanjaya and letting other people do that for her. Once he hit AI though, she latched back on like the low-life, bottom-feeder that she is.

I’m not sure I get the “how great, he is 18 now” thing. Lot’s of kids are still in HS at age 18. Or even 19. They still trust and rely on their parents a lot.

Hey PJ I was thinking Midvale is a small suburb of SLC and has its own small newspaper. You know some poor intern may have to go thru the police blotter. Thought maybe the name might have caught someones attention.

True. I didn’t think police blotters always named people, though. So I googled. Here’s an example of Midvale’s police blotter:

http://www.zirana.com/UT_midvale/crime

No names given.

@Steve: Weak. Ass. Argument. Bottom line: he volunteered his experience and he owned it. He wasn’t busted; no photographic evidence came out. He volunteered it. Never mind that there is a large movement in Europe to have ecstasy downgraded to B-level narcotic, that’s neither here nor there. The point is, these things being outlawed only maximizes sales and related crime.

You know what was the biggest driver of alcohol sales in U.S. history? Prohibition, of course. The same is true with the war on drugs and by extension, prostitution. If David’s dad wants to pay for it, whatevs, but to cop a holy-than-thou moralistic attitude and betray and jeopardize his wife and family, that’s another story.

Craig’s List only very recently shut down its “Erotic Services” section, but what do you want to bet that’s where Jeff found the ad for the massage parlor? I doubt it was under “Chiropractic Services.” I wonder if there’s a way to research this. That would shoot down that “bad back” excuse once and for all.

PJ- You are the Google Goddess!!!

Arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t arrest records public record??? Regardless of his plea bargin, wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t this have shown up on a daily arrest report??? Anyone out there with more knowledge of how this works got an answer??

When I was a newspaper reporter, I used to have the police beat and I would go every morning to look at the arrest logs. But sometimes, the names were blacked out. Of course if you held it up to the light you could read it. (I know, I know, but when you have an ex-Marine Vietnam Vet as your City Editor, you will be surprised at what you are willing to do to avoid a public reaming in the newsroom). It Jeff was arrested, it should have been part of the police blotter.

I used to also deal with a police sergeant who was assigned to liason with the media. At times, if something broke in the afternoon, he would call me. Also, there are usually photographers who monitor the police scanner, so if there was some discussion on it, I’m surprised they didn’t pick up on it.

I am kind of confused at what happened. Jeff was read his Mirnada rights but he doesn’t have a mug shot? So perhaps he wasn’t actually arrested.

If the police reporter missed it in the blotter (if it was there), the next chance of it being discovered by the media would be when it made its way through the court system. The local newspaper reporter assigned to the DA beat usually checks the court docket daily. I think that is what happened. Some reporter saw the name for the upcoming court date and then voila, you have the story.

That would shoot down that à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“bad backà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  excuse once and for all.

I’d say his confession to the police shot down his lawyer’s bad back excuse long before he ever even uttered it.

I don’t get picking on Jeff Archuleta’s religion. All religions have members who fail to live up to their high standards. So what? This says nothing about those that do–such as David himself.

Non-church goers may feel less ashamed of their own bad behavior–but it’s still bad behavior. They don’t deserve medals for it.

Astonishing how often these moral, judgmental “Christians” get caught being anything but moral.

edit: Oh, you just couldn’t let it go couldn’t you? Not happy unless you are stirring the pot

Btw- Jeff is only his co-manager, not full time manager. He has a manager from azoff name Jared.

Thanks undercooked. I thought there was a daily police arrest report. Your explaination makes sense.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get picking on Jeff Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s religion. All religions have members who fail to live up to their high standards. So what? This says nothing about those that doà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’such as David himself.

Did I miss something? I didn’t see anyone picking on LDS. I did see people (myself included) remark on Jeff Archuleta failing to live up to his faith. And yes, it happens in all religions.

Non-church goers may feel less ashamed of their own bad behaviorà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s still bad behavior. They donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t deserve medals for it.

Not sure who you’re referring to in this. I will say I personally prefer those who walk the walk and not just talk the talk.

Astonishing how often these moral, judgmental à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Christiansà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  get caught being anything but moral.

well, if you’d like to read more about judgemental “Chirstians”, I suggest you go back to MJ’s thread about Adam singing Mad World on tour. Some interesting reading at the end there. Look for the livejournal link

Adam Tour thread

edit: this post isn’t about adam

Apparently the Utah/Reiki massage parlor/prostitution connection isn’t a new thing.

The “another” in the title of the article implies that it’s happened multiple times. If it has happened a lot, I find it even more difficult to believe Jeff could have walked into a situation like that unknowingly (Or as his lawyer like to put it, “wrong place, wrong time”).

This is the first time I have come to this site and have been sorry that I have. This news just makes me so sad. My heart breaks for David, his sweet mother and David’s siblings. The embarrasment that a sweet, vulnerable, innocent and hard working young man,(along with the rest of the family)is going to have to endure due to his father just deeply saddens me. I hope the press doesn’t crucify Archie for something he had nothing to do with and had no control over. I hope Archie knows his fans will stand behind him and not fault him for the poor judgement of his father. I was concerned during the AI tour how the Archuleta’s marriage could withstand the constant separation. With David, being a minor, I understood him having to focus so intensely on his son’s career, but I never imagined anything like this would happen. My heart goes out the David. But if this happened in January, why is being reported now?

I promise if Beth ever becomes DC’s manager and gains a rep as a stage mom who is then is arrested for solicitation of a prostitute, I will lead the charge to burn her at the stake. Until then, one has nothing to do with the other.

I figured Jeff would show his ass one of these days I just wasn’t expecting it to be so literal! His “business” for years has been to make as much money off his son as possible. If not for his kid, he’d be a sad sack failure still digging his way out of bankrupcy court. The funniest (or saddest) thing is he’s still got people defending him. Blaming the media, blaming the police, blaming anyone but Jeff himself. I guess that desperation for a connection to DA is overriding the common sense of many. Nobody goes to craig’s list to find a massage therapist unless what you really want rubbed is a bit south of your back…

And maybe I ´m being anive but knowing David, maybe he didnt even know, until now, what hapennedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦my dad just told me that sometimes it sucks to be famousà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ this has to be one of this timesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ is enough bad that he, or anyone, have to deal with this kind of things, as to have to deal with them in publicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Maybe Archie should just take a year off to get his head together. It might be better for his career in the long run.

Google Beth Cook’s name. There are sleazy details galore. I feel bad bringing up her name but since Archie’s dad got busted, it’s pretty amazing that Cook’s mom has been given a pass for committing the same sin. . But I’ll understand if this post gets deleted since I do feel kind of queasy mentioning it.

It’s just with all the moralizing on the sin of adultery, it seemed weird not to mention that the Davids had something in common in that area.

Disagree. Adam is every bit as much of a sleazeball. Plenty of photographic evidence.

You have got to be kidding. Are you referring to the photographs of him kissing a guy? I don’t recall any photos of Adam engaging in illegal activity.

This is what MJ calls “fan baiting,” and I think you should cut it out. And I should stop taking the bait.

How and why have people read the divorce filings of Idol contestants’ parents. I’ve seen that referenced now for both the Archuleta’s and the Cooks. I’m stunned and disturbed. Was this part of some crazy fan war last year?

Who the heck cares!

“Disagree. Adam is every bit as much of a sleazeball. Plenty of photographic evidence”

What???? Evidence points to Adam being a lovely person. Does he have flaws? Yes, but don’t we all. You are way off base. When I read comments like this, I’m checking out! See you all tomorrow!

I feel bad for David A. Young people are always more sensitive about their relatives and what people say about them. I know he has friends, (other)family, and faith.

That being said, I’m still amazed that Adam Lambert’s name was even mentioned in this discussion. And even more amazed that apparently someone here googled for information about David Cook’s mother. Wow.

I feel bad bringing up her name but since Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s dad got busted, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pretty amazing that Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s mom has been given a pass for committing the same sin.

Was she caught associating with prostitutes? Illegal sex? I have no idea nor do I care. She keeps herself out of the limelight. Daddy Archie does not, so I think he’s fair game.

Apparently the Utah/Reiki massage parlor/prostitution connection isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a new thing.

Victoria, that hyperlink doesn’t work.

Google Beth Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s name. There are sleazy details galore. I feel bad bringing up her name but since Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s dad got busted, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pretty amazing that Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s mom has been given a pass for committing the same sin. . But Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll understand if this post gets deleted since I do feel kind of queasy mentioning it.

This is the first I heard of it, but to me it sounds like the usual divorce. A marriage is bad, no one has the gumption to leave until someone falls for someone else. Also, wasn’t this decades ago?

Archie is the innocent here, but he is going to have to man up more than he already has. I mean touring the world and dealing with crazy fans has made him grow up. I hope Cook can help him through this. He needs outside adults who are his friends to guide him.

As far as the comparison to Adam, really not getting it. He was in a long term relationship and photos surfaced of him kissing his BF. The photos are only an issue if you have a problem with him being gay.

praepos
Jun 18th, 2009 at 12:39 am
I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get picking on Jeff Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s religion. All religions have members who fail to live up to their high standards. So what? This says nothing about those that doà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’such as David himself.

Well, yes and no. LDS is a patriarchal religion, so that *is* a factor when discussing issues relating to controlling husband/fathers and why a wife might be less inclined to leave. It can be helpful in understanding why a son might allow a father too much control of his career when that father might not be a very good management choice.

It might also be enlightening to know, as has been reported by many, that in a patriarchal organization whose local leaders have no formal training or education often give *very* bad advice to families with *priesthood holders* (that’s what adult male members of LDS are called) who can’t keep it in their pants or are controlling or abusive. I have seen way too many wives and children who were abused and women who were cheated on and they were instructed by their Bishop to forgive and to keep the house cleaner, pray and give more sex. It happens a lot in patriarchal societies, as the male holds all of the power.

I must also say that although I have known many such screwed up families and faulty leaders, the majority of LDS households that I have contact with are loving, caring families and most leaders are well meaning, if somewhat clueless.

This sickens me. David should not have to deal with this shit. I am nauseous.

I wasn’t picking on the LDS. I was just offering a counterpoint to the whole concept that Mormonism is full of love for *all* people. That was not my experience growing up in Utah. I think it is woefully naive to act as though following any set of scripture is guarantee of decent behavior.

And of course all religions and heck the non religious have assholes in their community. It’s the hypocrisy involved in worshiping a creed you leave behind the minute you walk out the door. Much like Daddy A did.

I am surprised to find myself agreeing with Niall on something for a change. I absolutely love David and if there were anyway I could make this all go away for him, I’d do it in a heartbeat. This situation with Jeff has nothing to do with Beth Cook. The fact that countless others, with connections to the Idol world or not, have made some equally stupid choices (whether or not BC has, I don’t know and don’t care) doesn’t diminish the ugliness of this for David.

Victoria, that hyperlink doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t work.

Grr, sorry, my computer is having serious issues… Not sure what went wrong.

edit: knock off the fan baiting or I ban you

I wonder, is there anyone giving David candid career advice not in earshot of Jeff? Anyone out there willing to pull him aside and help him make some tough decisions?

edit: RIGHT YOU AREN”T THE MODERATOR. One more like this and I PUT YOU IN MODERATION

You know what’s going to happen now? they’re going to be digging for even more dirt on little Archie’s family. I think the best thing for Jeff to do is step down from his manager position because that negative publicity would latch more onto Archie if he didn’t.

edit: don’t take the bait or I ban you too

We still don’t know what’s the truth and what’s not. But I am sure David will handle the situation with grace again in a loving way. Jeff’s situation is similar to Kobe Bryant’s. I hated Kobe Bryant who was married at that time, but Kobe Bryant didn’t get divorced and I saw at the NBA championship game, his two daughters and wife there.

If Jeff really loves David, he should decide what to do for the best interest of David. I am here to support David, not Jeff. If David forgives his dad and gives him a second chance, well, I still should support him. David has so much potential and somebody has to guide him in a right direction.

edit: you are going to be outta here faster than you think. DON’T PLAY MODERATOR

I hate to go off topic, but seriously, you people are missing all the fun! Gokey’s twitter is under attack and it’s hilarious. First I think, you need to read the back story LOL.

I was sad to hear this story, but I also realize that we are all human and we all make mistakes. I feel bad for Archie. He’s such a sweet kid. Being in the public eye definitely has it’s downside, hopefully the good stuff outweighs the bad.

I hate to go off topic, but seriously, you people are missing all the fun! Gokeyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s twitter is under attack and ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hilarious. First I think, you need to read the back story LOL.

SpencerJ

How do I access Danny’s twitter? Can you link?

I always thought that the sleazy monster of a stage dad is just a bit exaggerated by the media (I mean, I know he’s no saint but come on, he’s not THAT bad) but now, I’m thinking hmmmm. But then again, I’m not all that surprised. He does look like the type. Regardless of whether or not he’s guilty, I believe Jeff SHOULD have stepped down as manager as soon as this incident happened, to minimize the effect it would have to his son’s career should it get out.

I hate to go off topic, but seriously, you people are missing all the fun! Gokeyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s twitter is under attack and ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hilarious. First I think, you need to read the back story LOL.

Wow, that is hilarious (off topic but totally hilarious). I can’t defend hacking but it is funny that the Gokey family is exposed as a bunch of homophobic losers on the same day Jeff Archuleta is exposed as a hypocrite and a lowlife perv.

Let’s leave the other Idols out of this discussion. Does everything have to turn into a fan war?

Drop it. Stick to the topic.

It wont be the first time a grown married man has solicited and wont be last.I’m not shocked, just highly amused!

I logged on to MJ , saw the headline and was like :jittery_tb:, then :laugh_tb:

and now reading the comments and the article itself I’m like :rolleyes_tb:

Dadchulleta..who knew? :tongue1_tb:

My bet is that Jeff met his wife on his church mission. I have quite a few married friends that met that way. It’s usually guys that didn’t quite fit in, who get a lot of attention out on their mission from people investigating the church. They often go back to the country they were serving in or some of the girls will come to visit. I guess it’s ONE way to meet your spouse.

SpencerJ

How do I access Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s twitter? Can you link?

If you go back to MJ’s thread on Adam singing Mad World on Tour – it’s all there.

STICK TO THE TOPIC. IGNORE THE BAITERS.

KNOCK IT OFF PEOPLE OR I’M BANNING THE WHOLE LOT OF YOU.

I just want David to come out stronger from this situation. He does seem very vulnerable, sweet, enchanting, but still, vulnerable; that’s why it feels terrible to read this headline.

Seriously, what the fuck?? This blows.

Sending good vibes to Lupe and the Archuleta children, they’ll need it.

I really hope David knew about this.

One positive aspect: Now David really has something to write a song about.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want to apologize for bringing in stuff that was way off topic. I think staying up until 2 a.m. with a toothache was a mistake but that’s really no excuse. Mea culpa and time out.

I really hope David knew about this.

Me too, especially since people are twittering him about it now. How terrible if that’s how he finds out.

sorry… I didn’t think I was taking the bait or moderating…I didn’t mean to.

How and why have people read the divorce filings of Idol contestantsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ parents. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve seen that referenced now for both the Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s and the Cooks. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m stunned and disturbed

That’s sorta wierd actually,I agree

I figured Jeff would show his ass one of these days I just wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t expecting it to be so literal!

:laugh_tb: I know right?

Seriously, what the fuck?? This blows.

LOL. :laugh_tb:

I try to avoid swearing, but that’s exactly what I thought when I first read the headline.

How and why have people read the divorce filings of Idol contestantsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ parents. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve seen that referenced now for both the Archuletaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s and the Cooks. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m stunned and disturbed

The Archuleta divorce paperwork was posted by the National Enquirer for all to see. I’ve never seen the Cook divorce paperwork so I have no idea where it came from. I originally saw the Jeff Archuleta papers at VFTW when the stage dad stuff came out. It’s all public record and normally would have been dry and boring except Jeff is a complete maniac and the divorce filings proved it to anybody not drinking his kool aid.

WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? HOW MANY OF US CANT WAIT TO CLICK ON A SEXY TIDBIT OF NEWS, SEE THE LATEST SEXY VIDEOS, HEAR THE LATEST SEXY MUSIC, READ THE SEXY GOSSIP….WE ARE BOMBARDED WITH ‘SEXY” AND THE MEDIA SUPPLIES IT AD INFINITUM…FINE, WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY…..SO, WHAT IS THE “SHOCK” IF SOMEONE ACTUALLY INDULGES A SEXUAL FANTASY?? WHY DOES THE MEDIA HYPOCRITICALLY POUNCE ON WHOEVER IS UNLUCKY ENOUGH TO GET CAUGHT……THIS IS THE WORST ‘NATIONAL ENQUIRER’ MENTALITY. “LETS SEE WHO WE CAN CATCH WITH HIS PANTS DOWN.” THATS WHAT IS SICK!!

Growing up LDS in a patriarchal society I was always taught that as a women I was just as important in the relationship as my husband. That we were equal partners in marriage and in the family. Just my perspective.

I personally feel sorry for the entire Archuleta family, (yes including Jeff) I don’t know the particulars of the situation and don’t really want to know. But it has to be horrible to have to deal with this in the public eye. As a hugh David Archuleta fan my heart aches for him and his siblings at this moment. I do believe that David will handle this with class and love just like he does everything else. My prayers are with them all.

I really have a bad feeling for Archie. Some people cover up their pain with a constant smile, Archie is always smiling and giggling. I don’t think he is as happy go lucky as he seems. IMO his dad has had way too much control over him and it would be best for Archie to get out from under his dad’s thumb, no easy feat for a kid like Archie who seems like the kind of kid who wants to do the right thing (and in his house doing the right thing means doing whatever dad says). It was quite awhile after Michael Jackson became famous that the truth came out about how mean and controlling his dad was, people were shocked. I’m not suggesting Archie is a weirdo or anything like that, but I am suggesting that his dad has way too much control over his life and I hope and pray Archie can break free. Good luck to him.

ohreli, the man was ARRESTED for a CRIME.

This isn’t exactly jumping on someone for looking at Playboy, it’s finding fault with a man for committing a crime which will spill gossip and garbage all over a young man’s career, when that young man is blameless and should have been able to trust in his father/manager NOT to place his career in any sort of jeopardy. Especially considering that this young man is financially supporting said criminal.

We may live in a FREE COUNTRY, but we are not free in this country to participate in prostitution, except in Nevada.

I used to post on an Archie fansite and once (yes only ONCE) posted a derogatory statement about Jeff signing autographs after the AI7 tour before going to the buses back then. I thought it was out of place whether David’s fans wanted him to sign things or not. I felt he needed to just get on the bus and leave the fans alone back then. Needless to say, I was blasted unbelievably for not being a “true fan.” I’ve always had a sense that Jeff was living vicariously through his son. Then when he signed on as part of his mgmt, I couldn’t help seeing him as a micromanager wanting control. When David was a minor, his dad had every right to see after him, but he did not need to get involved in managing him. One can chaperone without getting legally involved to the extent Jeff has. David is 18 now, so thankfully that is now a non-issue if David wants it to be. I just don’t know if David will emotionally be able to cut his dad loose. Controlling parents sometimes make their kids victims who along the way end up losing the ability to stand up to them. Often they never grow out of this. So I really feel sad for David right now. He must feel very torn as to what to do. Jeff is a selfish, sleazy, person imo and I think he’s been that way for a long time. I further think Jeff felt David would never hear of this and that is why he took the class and paid the fine, hoping it would never get out. I have a hunch David is just learning of this latest news flash as we are. My heart just breaks for the kid.

OMFG. This is bad. Very, very bad. On so many levels. And in so many ways. Based on all the reported versions I’ve read so far, I suspect that something beyond a “routine back treatment” went down in that “massage parlor.” It’s simply too much of a stretch to think that a man of Jeff’s means and education would seek treatment for a back injury from some rinky dink “massage parlor” just out of town when there are countless, professional chiropractors and physical therapy offices in town. It doesn’t add up.

Second, pleading “no contest” is not the same as “not guilty;” in fact, a “Nolo” plea allows the judge to enter a conviction on your record. Accordingly, the court treats you as if you were guilty even though you have not made any admissions of guilt. He had a choice to plead “not guilty” and proceed to trial, but for whatever reason (and the reasons are not relevant here), he decided against it.

edit: ps: don’t play moderator

I like Archie with the “gosh” and the funny cat story on his twitter and the pj story too. I don’t want him to end up jaded.

Cat, “CRIME” is an awful word, but I wonder how often you have driven over the speed limit. Thats also a “CRIME.” Anyway I didnt say it was the right or smart thing to do. What I DID say you didnt really respond to: Our culture loves titillating and being titillated, and then it loves scandal. Its two sides of the same hypocritical coin….an urge to lower people to their animal sides. The reason why this is bigger news than a speeding ticket is because of the sexual hypocrisy in the media, which a lot of you buy into. Yes it was dumb, and it was illegal…. but it doesnt prove all these horrible things about a man’s character just because he succumbs to sexual fantasy. Guess what, most of us do dumb things…..and I dont think that having a son in a musical career indicates that you are more intelligent than average…..The news here is not that someone solicited a prostitute, but that the slimy gossip media got the dirt they always love to get…especially when it is associated with a ‘clean cut’ kid like David. I sincerely pray that David is not negatively affected by all the dirt.

Our culture loves titillating and being titillated, and then it loves scandal. Its two sides of the same hypocritical coinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.an urge to lower people to their animal sides.

I’m sorry but who lowered himself to their animal sides? Wasn’t it the religious, married man who went to a massage parlor for a happy ending?

Yes it was dumb, but it doesnt prove all these horrible things about a manà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s character just because he succumbs to sexual fantasy.

Doesn’t he have a wife to indulge those fantasies with?

When my 80 dollar traffic ticket brings shame and humiliation down on my children and spouse then I’ll consider it in the same ballpark as solicitation. Until then there seems to be very little legit comparison.

I have to agree with those who surmise this wasn’t Jeffy’s first visit to the BJ specialist. Much like shoplifting, this is one of those things you’ll get away with nine times out of ten.

And now it appears, if what I read is accurate, that Daniel had taken to his Twitter to deny any of this is true. Either somebody needs to tell the kid to stop his amateur damage control attempts or maybe Jeff is actually trying to sell his family the same batch of lies and excuses as he has his lawyer peddling to the media.

ohreli,

Yes, it does reflect upon Jeff’s character that he quite selfishly indulged his desires, which were illegal, knowing that his actions, if they became known, would damage his son’s career, damage his *own* career (if you can call his “management” a career), and deeply hurt his entire family.

But if you think that doesn’t say anything bad about the man, I don’t know what to say. Solicitation of prostitution is not exactly speeding, and its damage to all parties is hardly the same.

While I understand that you are trying to make the argument about puritanical values, it really is not. It is about callous disregard for the precarious position he had placed David in by his actions. This would not have been an issue if he had been caught speeding. Perhaps if he had gotten caught in a financial fraud or perhaps shoplifting the effects might have been as damaging, but that point is moot, isn’t it.

And now it appears, if what I read is accurate, that Daniel had taken to his Twitter to deny any of this is true. Either somebody needs to tell the kid to stop his amateur damage control attempts or maybe Jeff is actually trying to sell his family the same batch of lies and excuses as he has his lawyer peddling to the media.

I believe the bolded option would be correct. This is the same Daniel that apparently implied his parents were getting divorced awhile ago, also via Twitter…

Absolutely disgusting. How Jeff could do this to his family is simply mind boggling and sickening. I feel so terrible for David and his family. What an embarrassment that disgusting pig is to them. Poor poor David. A kid as wonderful as him is so undeserving of this mess.

I only wish David had the balls to tell his dad to get the fuck out and stop leeching off of him. And then proceed to fire his ass.

“We may live in a FREE COUNTRY, but we are not free in this country to participate in prostitution, except in Nevada.”

UHmm, only in parts of Nevada. I live in Las Vegas and it is very illegal, also in Reno. I guess there are about 12 counties which legalize it. It’s a very common misconception about “Sin City” and the strip, but not legal here.

Hypertwink , you and Niall (and Cat) all missed my point. I didnt say that he didnt do anything wrong. The point of my comment was a criticism of the sex-and-gossip-obsessed (NOT “puritanical”, Cat) media culture. This nuance seems to have been missed. I am not obsolving Archuleta from responsibility for his not controlling his passions for ‘forbidden fruit’. Archuleta has to deal with this issue. He does have to deal with his family and take responsibility, and hopefully the Archuletas can grow stronger from it. (“Doesnt he have a wife to indulge his sexual fantasies?”— we dont know what was going on in the Archuleta’s sex life do we, nor is it any of our business.) Yes I also am pained by the idea that his family will suffer humilation, but that is exactly my point: It IS no one elses business…. Wow what a concept: None of our business. Just imagine how much easier it would be for the Archuletas to deal with this crisis if the public didnt love to slobber over a juicy scandal. Succumbing to a sexual fantasy may be wrong. It may be a violation of marital vows. It may be against a law. But I wouldnt say its “sick.” The public obsession for breathlessly lapping up scandalous dirt on whoever they can read about….IS sick. The fact that we live in a culture that in my opinion has this sickness is the reason why Archuleta’s stupid act has the potential to be more than stupid–and in fact may be potentially devastating, and I dont think it should be this way. This doesnt seem to be a popular stance here, but as Simon Cowell would say: “That’s my opinion. Sorry.“

I just watched the Fox 13 segment, and guilty or not, Jeff needs a new lawyer. The guy they had on the phone did not sound professional or like he knew what he was doing at all.

Jeff’s Twitter just got deleted. Heh.

I only wish David had the balls to tell his dad to get the fuck out and stop leeching off of him. And then proceed to fire his ass.

Could you do it? Is not easy to stand up againts your parents… and we certanly dont have all the information… in this kind of situation,no matter what ,I will like to believe in my dad…

But I do hope that Azoff give him some good advice. And Jeff step out for the good of Archie ´s career and his other children…

And now it appears, if what I read is accurate, that Daniel had taken to his Twitter to deny any of this is true. Either somebody needs to tell the kid to stop his amateur damage control attempts or maybe Jeff is actually trying to sell his family the same batch of lies and excuses as he has his lawyer peddling to the media.

in this kind of situation,no matter what , I will like to believe in my dad…

Well, ohreli, if you are talking about the public fixations on private citizens wrapped up in family issues or tragedies, which is the forte of Nancy Grace, etc, then I’d tend to agree with you. But public figures (celebs and politicians) seek attention, money, power and personal gratification (ego) via the public eye and have to take the good with the bad. You can’t invite the world into your life ala John and Kate when times are good and then bitch because the world is still there when times are bad. Jeff Archuleta would normally fall under the category of “private citizen” but HE is the one who stuck his ugly mug in front of cameras, who hovered over his son at events, whose actions were so disgraceful during AI that fed up staffers backstage made him tabloid fodder, and who has made his financial living off of his teenage son. If he wants all the perks of being DA’s father then he gets to take the bruising publicly when he falls off his high horse.

Blaming the media or the culture isn’t going to fly. He set himself up for this long before he was getting a blow job courtesy of an underwear clad masseuse.

I feel for David and his family.

in this kind of situation,no matter what , I will like to believe in my dadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

If I were in the same situation, I would like to believe my dad too, but I’m not sure if I would. Things don’t look good for Jeff.

If Jeff is guilty, I wonder if Daniel is just protecting him, or he really doesn’t know about what happened?

“At the time of the raid, only one client was there. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“He was just finishing up in suite number one. I sent two of the officers in and the male was on his stomach on the table with a masseuse in lace underwear.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

I fail to see how finding a client on their stomach proves that there was any sex. Jeff Archuleta might have admitted to doing something he didn’t need to admit to. There was no proof.

This whole thing reminds me of Senator Larry Craig (the airport bathroom gay footsy dance) because Craig admitted his guilt in “soliciting” and waived his right to counsel, only Craig should’ve known better, being a lawyer.

It’s ironic that Jeff Archuleta refused his right to counsel and his lawyer is now speaking for him. I am not entirely sure the cops didn’t manipulate a confession out of the guy.

Now maybe he had already had his “happy ending” but most of the time that’s the last thing that happens in massage parlors. He may have not even gotten the sex he paid for!

I feel a little sorry for Archie but he’ll be okay. A little embarrassed probably. Hey, his dad’s human.

Oooh. I’ve been really busy, but I just had to check out what MJ had to say. Holy Crap is correct! Jeff caught in the act!

But honestly, I’m through feeling sorry for David. He needs to tell his dad to fuck off. He’s not the 12 year old on star search anymore. He’s a big boy now. If he doesn’t have the balls to do it, then he deserves to have his dad fuck his career up.

…and someone needs to tell little bro to shut his trap.

For those wondering about Lupe’s fluency of the English language, take a look at the following. I don’t know about her speech, but she sings beautifully in English, obviously where David gets his talent. She sang for her niece Krystal’s 16th birthday and I think she was awesome, a very good voice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlfi8ViTDAU

Well I have empathy for anyone that this happens to, whether they are 12, 18 or 40. Having someone you trust betray you, and hurt the ones you love, cuts deeply. He’ll do what’s right for him and his family and I’ll respect his decisions. It’s his life, his career, his family.

I am not entirely sure the cops didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t manipulate a confession out of the guy.

This is funny. Make it the fault of the police that someone confesses. All he had to do was keep quiet but he said something after being Mirandized so Jeff has to suffer the consequences of his actions.

And let’s not forget that the woman was in lacy underwear. Yep, someone is getting authentic physical therapy from someone in a teddy. That’s like the masseur my friend had, who wore white Calvin Klein undies at the start of the massage where part of the “therapy” was my friend seeing his naked penis. LOL

What’s a “happy ending”? The O word, is it?

Can’t imagine what the kids had to go through at school.

Reading the son twitters (how old is he? looks younger than David) it really sounds like the kid has no idea and believes this is all fake, like the media just picking on his dad once again. The thing is, this is not exactly the media, it’s police. Poor children, real. And I was in his twitter and he has this in his bio “RIP Adam Cook”. The kids all seem to be really nice and sweet people.

Decent people do not try and bury their wives in divorce court. They do not attempt to take a womanà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s children away from her as an intimidation tactic. They do not micromanage their childà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s life until he is the perfect performing monkey / cash cow. Decent people do not seek out the sex trade on Craigà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s List. And decent people certainly do not pay for sexual favors from prositutes in low rent sublet offices.

Amen!

Absolutely no pass or excuse for this for any married man, famous kid or not. Reminds me of the denial, “I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinski…..”

Re: the poster above who, after reading about Jeff A. and the Jon&Kate mess is disillusioned about family life, take heart — there really are decent people in the world. I’m sure they are not perfect, but Kris Allen’s parents seem like a great couple and the whole family is pretty heartwarming to read about.

I’m not sure this “Twitter” craze is such a good thing

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure this à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Twitterà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  craze is such a good thing

Which is why I am glad that David Cook isn’t ever gonna get one and Kris Allen thinks it’s the devil. :lol_tb:

Oh man. I feel for his wife and kids. I’m not going to comment on the rest of it, the situation is bad enough without adding to the madness. Archie looks young but he is 18 years old and those who know him say he is mature. Well he’s going to need that to get through this. He’s such a nice kid, and above all I want him to be alright. This SUCKS.

But I still see David as naive, although Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure he has grown immensely over the year.

Based on personal experience, I would say that a situation like the one that *may* occur in his family can put you into deep denial about many things — so you come off as naive — while you remain perfectly savvy and knowledgeable about other stuff that doesn’t touch your personal situation, such as Adam being gay.

Of course, I hvae no idea whether this is actually true of David. But both my mother and I instantly identified with him when we saw him on the show and figured that might be because his situation echoed both of our own at his age.

If things go on that you believe you have to ignore to keep peace in the house, many people will just ignore them, ignore them profoundly. David’s the kind of responsible and sensitive person who would…. And while I’m glad he is making money, it’s sad that he ends up with the added burden of ensuring that his mother and siblings are okay financially. He shouldn’t be the main support there.

Takes a long time to get past that willed naivete, unfortunately. Poor David.

Aw, poor David. I hope the media doesn’t just bombard him with questions about this.

I always thought that David had all the classic signs of a child who had grown up in a very dysfunctional family.

Somehow I don’t think this is the first time Jeff has embarrassed his family.

Poor Archie and family.

Note to Good-Hearted Women Who Tend to Give the Benefit of the Doubt:

Men are not confused between the difference between:

massage=licensed therapists with Ellen haircuts, Enya soundtracks, and spa services, and

massage=young Asian women in lingerie

They’re not. If a guy tries to tell you “it was all a mistake . . . my lower back!” , it’s time to mistakenly relocate his closet to the front yard.

My heart goes out to David and his family. I’m sure David will weather this storm with the grace he has exhibited since the beginning. I’m just sorry he has to do so. But, this too shall pass. Best of luck, David.

Moe details – sort of.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1614218/20090618/archuleta__david.jhtml

Well this is mighty sad news to wake up to.

The media and most people out there will gossip, giggle and forget about this in a week or two. David, his mom and his siblings will have to contend with this for the rest of their lives.

Well done, Jeff … you jerk. I don’t doubt that he knew exactly what kind of “massage” he would be receiving before he arrived at that establishment, but even if he didn’t he would have known it was a sleazy place the minute he got there.

eta: from mandalay’s link, here is the final sentence:

Bauer said his client did not participate in any sexual activity but was advised to plea no contest to avoid negative publicity for David Archuleta, who was then embarking on a tour in support of his recently released debut album.

… you know, because he’s acting in his son’s best interest and all.

It makes me sick.

Advice to David:
1. Fire dad as manager
2. Move out of the creepy Utah manse
3. Move to LA next to Jason for moral support
3. Start writing honest songs
4. Start living your own life
5. Stop supporting the family

I am really not that surprised, this was gonna happen sooner or later. The hypocrisy of his Dad must speak volumes to David even though he may never admit it. I remember reading about Jeff defending Mormon values and not letting David sing Desperate on tour or write or use any edgy material on his album. HA!! I am not sure that David is prepared to live on his own but to save his career and life he doesn’t have a choice. I fear though that he will deny everything and keep being entangled in the web of his dad and the oppressive environment. Some time from now we will hear that he is in rehab because no one is able to live a lie for a long time.

Men are not confused between the difference between:

massage=licensed therapists with Ellen haircuts, Enya soundtracks, and spa services, and

massage=young Asian women in lingerie

Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re not. If a guy tries to tell you à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“it was all a mistake . . . my lower back!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  , ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s time to mistakenly relocate his closet to the front yard.

LOL. So much word. Also, like lefty said, even if he arrived at that place by mistake, all he needed to do was leave if the place seems shady.

Ugh, this “news” hit the media just around Fathers’ Day. This must blow for the family.

“I fail to see how finding a client on their stomach proves that there was any sex. Jeff Archuleta might have admitted to doing something he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need to admit to. There was no proof’.

After listening to his miranda rights twice (stall time to think) he must have thought the evidence was enough that he should just tell the truth and be done with it. No court document you have access to is going to give you the full report with all the details. That is not public record. And, since he wasn’t alone in the room he was wise to just admit it. Who knows what evidence there was… it could have been quite embarrassing to deny sexual favors while explaining your wet undies, etc. in court. I think he played it quite well. Safe to scream fowl now…it is done. no trial to worry about. No nasty little details can come out in court now. We are left to speculate.

Obviously, I meant more – not Moe.

I was willing to give Jeff the benefit of the doubt and thought he seemed like a normal guy when talking to fans at the tour last year, but I do think perhaps he didn’t need to be THAT involved. I don’t think just because you’re a minor that it means your parent has to be your shadow everywhere you go. But now, I’m just sickened by this man. There’s really no defense and no getting around this one. Being a controlling stage dad is one thing, being arrested for prostitution is quite another. It’s times like this that I wish David would’ve waited another year or two to even audition for Idol. Of course, his dad still might have been hanging around a lot, but at least it would’ve been easier to get rid of him since he would have no legal reason to be around. Gosh, this sucks!

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s times like this that I wish David wouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve waited another year or two to even audition for Idol. Of course, his dad still might have been hanging around a lot, but at least it wouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been easier to get rid of him since he would have no legal reason to be around.

If David really has been raised as a kind of emotional captive of a dysfunctional loony, as has looked likely to me all along, then being able to get away legally will really be the least of his problems in detaching himself. His brain has been programmed to make the best of *this* situation — and it’s likely to keep right on doing that even though somebody who’d grown up in a different situation would just say, Gotta run, dad; see ya!

That being the case, maybe it’s actually better that he tried out for Idol earlier rather than later. The more he sees of the rest of the world, the easier it may be for him to eventually lessen the family ties. Tough times for this nice kid.

I further think Jeff felt David would never hear of this and that is why he took the class and paid the fine, hoping it would never get out. I have a hunch David is just learning of this latest news flash as we are. My heart just breaks for the kid.

Word on the street is that David knew and has had time to prepare for this.

I, for one, will not judge how David should handle this. This is his trial and his choice of what to do. Only he knows the full situation, and I am sure that whatever he decides will be what he deems best.

This goes straight on the do not ask listà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Exactly, same as the sexuality questions. He won’t face a single question about it at the tour press conferences. The TMZ types will shout questions at him when they run across him, but as for official press or interviews– there won’t be a word about it.

And, no, David will not stand up to his father. Someone else (e.g. label, management) will need to step in if they want to get his dad’s hands off his career. The sad thing is I’m not convinced Jeff would even back away then. He’d probably tell David, “We’ll just sever ties with them and still make it big in the biz on our own, without them!” And David will choose his father over his established career.

Word on the street is that David knew and has had time to prepare for this.
That is good news. Poor kid. I wish people would not tweet him. Only his dearest, closest friends should approach him.

If a guy tries to tell you à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“it was all a mistake . . . my lower back!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  , ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s time to mistakenly relocate his closet to the front yard.

This line had me :lol_tb: I’ll remember that one for future jerks.

On a more serious note, I feel so bad for Archie. Hopefully he’ll take this time to flee to LA and be on his own for real.

Word on the street is that David knew and has had time to prepare for this.

From what I’ve heard, it’s all just speculation as to whether he knew or not. The only thing I’ve seen that implies any of the kids might have known was Daniel’s tweets about the supposed divorce. Did I miss somerthing?

And, no, David will not stand up to his father. Someone else (e.g. label, management) will need to step in if they want to get his dadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hands off his career. The sad thing is Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not convinced Jeff would even back away then. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d probably tell David, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll just sever ties with them and still make it big in the biz on our own, without them!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  And David will choose his father over his established career.

I agree. I hope his management does something about it, since I don’t think David will.

ETA: Perez picked it up. Just great.

Hmm..first I’m hearing about sexuality questions being on the ‘do not ask list’. David was asked a direct question about this by an interviewer in Manila and he answered the question plainly and openly, and with more grace than the question deserved. Also, I don’t think anyone other than David can know how he’ll deal with his father.

oh it was only a matter of time before perez posted it… surprised it wasnt sooner actually. lol

I was surprised it took him him so long too, Frogcooke. He got like a million tweets about it.

I’m just glad he didn’t say anything bad about David. I thought Perez would rip him to shreds like he does to other celebs, but he was surprisingly reasonable about the whole thing.

Perez actually likes David. lol I didnt really think he’d say anything bad towards David. I think he’s quite reasonable about stuff like that. As much as people like to hate him.

And, no, David will not stand up to his father. Someone else (e.g. label, management) will need to step in if they want to get his dadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hands off his career.

Maybe I’m reaching really far here (or I love to see movies)… but everything about this story makes me think someone wanted this to come out. From the coincidence of the police being there when Jeff was the only client to the news coming now that David is starting to work on new albums… I dunno, maybe someone is trying to get rid of the dad.

I am just so shocked and saddened. I really, really feel for David, Lupe and the kids right now. I can’t even imagine how horrific all of this is for them. I do know, though, that David is incredibly close to his mother and they’ll all get through it together.

I just hope that David’s career doesn’t suffer for his father’s major error in judgement. That would be so totally unfair – a PR nightmare actually. Knowing David though, he’ll continue on with the same dignity he’s always displayed. This is in no way a reflection on him. I just feel so badly for him at this moment. The irony is that he’s the most wholesome kid on earth, now this. Bless his heart!

ETA: How will this impact his tour with Disney’s sweetheart – not to mention his own affiliation with Disney? Talk about bad timing!

Of the two Davids, Perez likes Archie. And if he likes you, he won’t spin your stories in a negative light or draw penises on your pictures.

Like others have posted I left Archie’s fanboards because of the over-zealous nature of many of his fans. I, too, was raked over red hot coals for saying anything negative about Jeff Archuleta.

David (and I really do love his voice and my heart does ache for him) will probably never come to terms with everything that has happened in his life. He, like so many of us, has been programmed to live and act a certain way by all the influences in his life. IMHO (and I was raised in Salt Lake and my family is LDS) he really has been “programmed” by HIS love of his religion to act and feel and think and respond a certain way.

And since ‘honor your father’ is very much a principle of his religion it will be very difficult for him to shed that part of his life. To me it’s pretty obvious that David was mentally abused by one or both of his parents…I see all of the classic signs (Psychology 101 at its best). And I am sure there is a lot going on behind the closed doors of not only his physical home but his mental one, too.

As much as I hate all of this media outing of his father (and I won’t capitalize it because the man does not deserve the title in my book) I really do hope that someone that truly loves David for David (and not the image of David) will step in and get him the help he needs. And again, let me reitterate this is strictly MY opinion!

I just hope that Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t suffer for his fatherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s major error in judgement. That would be so totally unfair – a PR nightmare actually. Knowing David though, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll continue on with the same dignity heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s always displayed. This is in no way a reflection on him. I just feel so badly for him at this moment. Bless his heart!

I don’t know why this should hamper Archie’s career. He’s done absolutely nothing wrong in this. I’m just really disappointed that after admitting to the police that he got his pipes cleaned, he now appears to be lying to his family about it. That’s so much adding insult to injury. It shouldn’t surprise me that he’d do so, however, because he always seemed to be egotistical, selfish and controlling to me.

Hmm..first Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m hearing about sexuality questions being on the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹do not ask listà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢. David was asked a direct question about this by an interviewer in Manila and he answered the question plainly and openly, and with more grace than the question deserved.

And then after that for the BIG pre-concert presser the Davids did, that question was added to the “taboo list”. Media members were forbidden from asking about David Cook’s brother’s passing, Archie’s sexuality, and one more question that I can’t recall.

And since à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹honor your fatherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ is very much a principle of his religion it will be very difficult for him to shed that part of his life.

You can honor your father, even if he is a jerk.

I don’t agree with you Tess, that it is obvious David has been abused, but that is something only David knows. I believe he very much chooses to be the way he is, just as his older sister and younger brother choose to be the way they are, which is VERY different from David.

Oh well, it doesn’t matter what we all think. I just wish them all the best at this difficult time.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know why this should hamper Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s done absolutely nothing wrong in this.

I agree. I don’t see how anyone can find fault with David in this situation. As long as he refuses to comment, I think the story will go away soon enough.

But the emotional damage won’t go away so quickly. Poor kids.

maybe someone is trying to get rid of the dad

Even though this situation is miserable for everyone I too think that someone who really “loves and cares” for Archie has helped this story along. If it made me uncomfortable as a “fan” to see Jeff, not only hovering around David, but literally attaching himself to David’s hip I am sure someone out there who has some direct contact with the situation has been feeling pretty uncomfortable, too.

Maybe Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m reaching really far here (or I love to see movies)à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ but everything about this story makes me think someone wanted this to come out. From the coincidence of the police being there when Jeff was the only client to the news coming now that David is starting to work on new albumsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I dunno, maybe someone is trying to get rid of the dad.

This crossed my mind as well. It’s kind of a weird coincidence that they just happened to show up when the one client there was Jeff.

Of course, that could be all it is: a coincidence.

This story is spreading like crazy. Rolling Stone has it now, too. I was hoping it might just blow over outside of the Idol world, but I guess not.

Wow, poor David.

His dad always gave me the creeps. Now I know why.

There’s definitely no such thing as a perfect family. Not that this excuses Jeff’s actions by any means. All I am saying is that often the more “good” a family tries to portray themselves, the more deep, dark, and dirty secrets they have. My sister just quit a nany job for a famous actress who seemed to have a wonderful family upon first meeting. Tell ya what, my sister could write a book, go E! News, and all the entertainment outlets with the dirt she has on this woman. People would be shocked. Things are definitely not as “pretty” as they seem in the celebrity world.

I think half of congress and Washington DC are visiting protitutes as well. I would love to see the list that the one madam in DC has but no one will let out. I think we would all be shocked.

I believe he very much chooses to be the way he is, just as his older sister and younger brother choose to be the way they are, which is VERY different from David.

I don’t follow the Archuletas much, so if you don’t mind answering, how are his sister and brother different from him? I’m just really curious!

poor archie, his dad is a grade A jerk. sorry, as a married man and a father to a celebrity, what the F was he thinking? another day, another “dumb” man story in the news…seriously boys, zip it up :rolleyes_wp:

The story may be spreading but it doesn’t seem to reflect badly on Archie at all.
Even Perez gave him sympathetic treatment. I laughed at the comments section though especially the post that said “Now David knows what to get him for Father’s Day.”

David is such a good kid, always trying to do the right thing. No teenager deals well with embarrassing things being revealed about their family. But for it to be so public, has got to be excruiating for David, especially because he is the sensitive and caring type. I hope Archie has a strong support group outside of his immediate family to help him through this very difficult time. I agree with the posts that say David will have a very hard time pulling away from his father both emotionally and professionally. I hope Mrs. Archuleta steps in and demands that Mr. Archuleta distances himself from his involvement with David for the sake of their son. David’s career will be fine, because he is an exceptionally talented person. But David doesn’t need the added pressure of his father’s mistakes being linked to him repeatedly, along with scrutiny from the press. I hope Mr. Archuleta does the right thing and let’s Archie fly on his own. In his need to help David, he has actually hurt him more than once now. I say this as someone who initially thought his father being so involved was probably the right way to go, seeing how young David was. I felt he would have his best interests at heart, but now I think I was wrong. Let Mr. Archuleta be a dad to David and let the professionals carve out the best path for David’s career.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think anyone other than David can know how heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll deal with his father.

There was a video not too long ago of David taking a phone call from his dad. In it he seemed decidedly cool, giving clipped responses to whatever Jeff was bringing up. FOD laughed it off as a “typical” teenager’s attitude toward his dad. In hindsight it spoke volumes about the true nature of their relationship. David is a warm and loving person, yet he seems to merely tolerate his father and despite Jeff’s omnipresence, they don’t seem emotionally all that close. David has publicly stated how much he loves his mother, but he has never said this about his father–not even when defending him in the media. That too speaks volumes.

I hope David did know about this and was not blindsided by it all. He can’t help what his sleazy dad does. I hate the expression it may be a blessing in disguise but maybe it is. David seemed to do fine in Manilla without his dad. Probably Ray can handle everything just fine and surely Jeff will not show up at any of the concerts. I just think of all the hypocritical remarks he has made in the past and am sickened. Jeff’s remarks not David’s. I feel sure David was as naive as he seems. He had an interview with a Boston station yesterday and they got him rattled just talking about what he eats. I really have gotten the idea the whole family, maternal and paternal, were trying to capitalize on David’s popularity, maybe this will put an end to it all. Like a lot of child stars David will have to deal with this, pray for him

To me ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pretty obvious that David was mentally abused by one or both of his parentsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I see all of the classic signs (Psychology 101 at its best). And I am sure there is a lot going on behind the closed doors of not only his physical home but his mental one, too…I really do hope that someone that truly loves David for David (and not the image of David) will step in and get him the help he needs. And again, let me reitterate this is strictly MY opinion!

Absolutely disagree. David shows no signs at all of being personally abused. He’s sensible, hard-working, well-grounded and loving. He was surrounded by friends and got straight A’s in school as well–all signs of a healthy normal psychology. David won’t need any professional “help” from anybody to get his head straight about this. He’ll know how to respond–and will do so in a mature and rational way. He’s not going to be snowed into doing something precipitous–based on mistaken public assumptions about his psychology. He’ll do what’s best for his family first–then consider his career afterwards.

Sometimes the realities of life are painful. David has only shown himself to be a kind, thoughtful, happy kid. He is the last person who should have to deal with this kind of crap. He will handle this with class and grace.

edit: you’re OTT lecturing has earned you a spot in moderation. Congrats.

There was a video not too long ago of David taking a phone call from his dad. In it he seemed decidedly cool, giving clipped responses to whatever Jeff was bringing up. FOD laughed it off as a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“typicalà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  teenagerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s attitude toward his dad. In hindsight it spoke volumes about the true nature of their relationship. David is a warm and loving person, yet he seems to merely tolerate his father and despite Jeffà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s omnipresence, they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem emotionally all that close. David has publicly stated how much he loves his mother, but he has never said this about his fatherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’not even when defending him in the media. That too speaks volumes.

Interesting post. I completely forgot about that video, but now that you mention it, it makes sense.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t follow the Archuletas much, so if you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mind answering, how are his sister and brother different from him? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just really curious!

Some fans think Daniel – David’s 14(?)-year-old brother – is a little rude judging from his Twitter and elsewhere. To me he doesn’t come off as rude, but just immature. Plus, he doesn’t seem to get that sarcasm doesn’t translate well over the internet.

Not sure about Claudia. Did I miss something involving her?

Absolutely disagree. David shows no signs at all of being personally abused. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sensible, hard-working, well-grounded and loving. He was surrounded by friends and got straight Aà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s in school as wellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’all signs of a healthy normal psychology. David wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need any professional à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“helpà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  from anybody to get his head straight about this. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll know how to respondà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and will do so in a mature and rational way. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not going to be snowed into doing something precipitousà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’based on mistaken public assumptions about his psychology. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll do whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s best for his family firstà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’then consider his career afterwards.

Actually David is the classic “family hero” from a dysfunctional family systems perspective.And that isn’t healthy, no matter how shiny and nice it looks superficially on the outside. His eagerness to please and desire to make everybody happy is so over the top that there is probably an element of defense mechanism to it. Whereas Claudia and Daniel, from what I’ve read online in the past day or so about the perception of them, seem to be taking on more of the family scapegoat or problem child roles.

I no longer see David as naive, I think he’s developed a very thick armor and a well honed public mask to protect himself from his dysfunctional father. He knows darn good and well what is going on in his family and is just a kid who found ways to cope. More and more the Archuletas remind me of the Culkin family: nice kids and a egomaniacal, blood sucking parasite of a father.

Brewster – well said!

Actually David is the classic à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“family heroà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  from a dysfunctional family systems perspective. His eagerness to please and desire to make everybody happy is so over the top that there is probably an element of defense mechanism to it.

This, so much this. I teach and I see it all the time in families with addictions. Matter of fact, now that I think about it, I had a kid last year that reminded me so much of David Archuleta that it is spooky, except he excelled at academics. But then again, I have always thought Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s behavior and demeanor reminded me a lot of my middle school students.

Not sure about Claudia. Did I miss something involving her?

Man, I am not even a big fan, but I am beginning to think Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a bit of stalker here because I think I know the answer to this. I just read this on the Ricky site when I was looking a links related to this little news event (hey, what can I say, school is out for the summer). Supposedly there was a site ran by someone named Toxic Glitter that had a bunch of insider information on him and published unusual pictures of him, to include a picture of him in his jammies in a hotel room (Ricky called it Pajama Gate à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ it was pretty funny but I get the problem with the invasion of privacy issue). People were saying it was being run by his older sister. Also, he (David) has reportedly told her before that she needs to repent. Okay, I will now voluntarily place myself in the “bit creepy” category.

Definitely some major family drama and dysfunction going on there. Yikes! Nothing is as pretty as it seems. Reminds me of Jessica Simpson’s dad and how well he managed her career, NOT! Though he didn’t have these kinds of headlines, he definitely did not have a good reputation at all.

blue jeans- sorry it has taken me so long to answer because of the outage and then being busy.

I will follow David’s lead and not drag out people’s dirty laundry, but the older sister and younger brother have been more like many teens who rebel and act out.

I no longer see David as naive, I think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s developed a very thick armor and a well honed public mask to protect himself from his dysfunctional father. He knows darn good and well what is going on in his family and is just a kid who found ways to cope.

Niall- I think you are right, although I think he truly is happy by choice about things he loves such as music, so I don’t think his public persona Is a mask.

oreli- I do believe what you are saying is also somewhat accurate. As soon as people heard that Jeff had this issue, suddenly they bring up every piece of trash tmz has ever said and even added more–pile on. Of course this act was reprehensible in so many ways, and Jeff may be a total jerk, but many people have said that he has been totally professional and nice to them. I will not do much to defend Jeff at this point, but I do kinow that the media can go way overboard.

Dadchuleta should have kept his pants zipped.

Actually David is the classic à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“family heroà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  from a dysfunctional family systems perspective. His eagerness to please and desire to make everybody happy is so over the top that there is probably an element of defense mechanism to it.

But on the other hand, being a nice person is not ALWAYS a “defense mechanism”! Supposedly David Archuleta was one of the most well liked kids in high school, because he was nice and friendly to everyone. To me that kind of social integration is a sign of psychological health, not dysfunction! In any case, arent the ones who end up with goth, piercings, etc usually the ones acting out their family dysfunctions? Well we all can have our psychological theories, but usually we just try to “prove” what you we wanted to believe in the first place. (Yeah, I was a psych major for a while way back when—at an ivy league university, by the way *cough cough*—until I got fed up with its general uselessness. :jittery_tb:)

Man, I am not even a big fan, but I am beginning to think Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a bit of stalker here because I think I know the answer to this. I just read this on the Ricky site when I was looking a links related to this little news event (hey, what can I say, school is out for the summer). Supposedly there was a site ran by someone named Toxic Glitter that had a bunch of insider information on him and published unusual pictures of him, to include a picture of him in his jammies in a hotel room (Ricky called it Pajama Gate à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ it was pretty funny but I get the problem with the invasion of privacy issue). People were saying it was being run by his older sister. Also, he (David) has reportedly told her before that she needs to repent. Okay, I will now voluntarily place myself in the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“bit creepyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  category.

Oh, I remember now! Thanks. Yeah, Pajama Gate was… odd. I never heard about the repenting thing though, except as a joke.

Actually David is the classic à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“family heroà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  from a dysfunctional family systems perspective.And that isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t healthy, no matter how shiny and nice it looks superficially on the outside. His eagerness to please and desire to make everybody happy is so over the top that there is probably an element of defense mechanism to it.

So how is this in any way psychologically unhealthy? ALL human beings encounter stressful situations–including those from absolutely wonderful families. If they are overly stessed-out, they cope by sublimation and other defense mechanisms. These are normal psychological safety valves, not signs of abnormality. In fact there’s no such thing as a mature adult who has not encountered difficulties in family life one way or another. Even the best of families have tensions and difficulties. These are not signs of abnormaility.

Neither is David’s desire to please over the top. He will often speak out to correct misperceptions and will act in ways that seem appropriate to him which are not always in keeping with what others expect or desire. He’s a far cry from being a pushover–someone who leans over backwards to please. He’s also far from being other-directed–which was the caricature of him drawn by those who were unfamiliar with his strength of character. But just the opposite is true. By all accounts David’s an extremely self-directed individual who has a clear perception of how he wants to behave–and can oppose others without at the same time showing a trace of rancor. Nothing at all unhealthy about this. It’s admirable.

Some of the Twitters to Jeff are scaring me a bit. People are calling him à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“a great dad no matter whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“keep it upà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ?

Seriously? Seems like he mastered the latter pretty damn well, and that’s what got him into this mess in the first place.

I don’t know Jeff Archuleta, but I’m guessing this isn’t his first visit to the masseuse for his “back problems.” The guy comes off as a bit of a sociopath. I never bought the whole godly Mormon shtick from him. Sorry, seen way too much hypocrisy in pretty much every fundamentalist religious faith and Jeff just gave off that skeevy vibe.

As devastating as this must be for David and his family, he may actually be better off with all the dirty laundry airing relatively early in his career. It will free him to walk away from anything he was raised to believe that no longer rings true. He’s a sweet, talented guy, and I’ll be rooting for him when I take my kid to see him and Demi Lovato next weekend.

Didn’t say DA wasn’t a genuinely nice kid, ohreli. I said he is burying himself in people pleasing, peacemaking, and music, that I’m guessing that is how he copes with the reality of a dysfunctional family. That trait wasn’t helped by the fact that his Star Search success appears to have “saved” the family, temporarily. He possibly internalized a very bad message at that moment in his life.

BUT unless he’s aware of why he does it, and finds outlets for open and honest discussion or introspection about his dad, it could be unhealthy. Look at other child stars who had parasites for parents: MacCauley Culkin, Michael Jackson, Brooke Shields. All have varying degrees of “stuff” they’ve had to deal with as a result of being the family breadwinner and the focus of their stage parent.

I actually don’t have any snark left for DA now that I see him in a much different light as a result of his dad’s now public skeeviness. Frankly, Jeff is even worse than I thought possible. I wish him, his mom and sibs well.

Man, I am not even a big fan, but I am beginning to think Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a bit of stalker here because I think I know the answer to this. I just read this on the Ricky site when I was looking a links related to this little news event (hey, what can I say, school is out for the summer). Supposedly there was a site ran by someone named Toxic Glitter that had a bunch of insider information on him and published unusual pictures of him, to include a picture of him in his jammies in a hotel room (Ricky called it Pajama Gate à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ it was pretty funny but I get the problem with the invasion of privacy issue). People were saying it was being run by his older sister. Also, he (David) has reportedly told her before that she needs to repent. Okay, I will now voluntarily place myself in the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“bit creepyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  category.

Yeah I remember reading the blog posts on that site when it was up last year. It was eventually shut down. I heard that it could be his sister Claudia or a cousin of his. Apparently it was Claudia though.

How sadly appropriate her screenname was though, Toxic Glitter. I mean really the “glitter” of David’s fame and career has become tarnished due to the deeply toxic issues his family has been dealing with and now are dealing with to even greater extent.

I teach and I see it all the time in families with addictions.

Americans have been sold a bill of goods about how they need psychological expertise every time a serious domestic problem arises–as if most of us are too weak-minded to cope with difficult family situations without professionals weighing-in.

David won’t be the first good kid whose dad has behaved badly and he won’t be the last. Like millions of other good kids he’ll cope with the problem in an appropriate way, difficult as it may be while he’s in the limelight. To suggest he needs some sort of professional help to do this flies in the face of the evidence. David’s simply not that fragile.

I’m no psychologist but I have lived long enough and been exposed to enough to know that David exhibits ALL of the classic signs of a “pleaser” child, including the loss of his voice just after the Star Search competition when his father put up and “handled” his website and when he was searching for a record label and a “deal” for his child. Having gone through a psyco tramatic self induced medical situation myself (which took months and medication (not for the brain but for the sympton) I know how easily it is for someone’s brain to shut down their own bodies.

So we have David’s vocal paralysis, his home schooling, his inability to interact with his piers during his young adolescent years, his social awkwardness, his need to over achieve, his self professed escapism into music and comic books, the fact that he really never shows his anger, the fact that he takes all comments and questions totally literally and doesn’t quite get “sarcasm”, his overly pleasing mannerisms to adults and authority figures, and the fact that he really isn’t overly curious about dating or having a relationship. Fans call this perfection but I have lots of more sinister words for it. I don’t think David is unlike most of the teens I know by choice, I think he is that way because he doesn’t know how to cope with being a “regular” kid. He is now touring, writing, recording, planning, filling all of his time with his music…and this, too, isn’t healthy for an 18 year old. He acts like a completely driven 30 year old that doesn’t have a second to stop and smell the roses.

I’m sure a lot of people will disagree with me but that is what I see…and I’m so afraid that one day this tightly controlled over-wound people pleasing child will explode and then I’ll really feel horrible. Hopefully I am totally wrong and David will lead a wonderful life full of rainbows and sunshine and puppies, but I think this little incident is only the tip of the iceberg.

David’s not the problem–neither is his personality or his moral character. He’s far from being a weak-minded individual longing to escape a miserable reality. Just the opposite–he’s a basically happy kid who loves what he’s doing and loves his life–in spite of his father’s dumbass ways. If he were as weak as some suggest, he would have folded under the stress long ago. In fact this sort of adversity will only make a strong kid stronger. He’ll cope just fine. He won’t allow his dad to rain on his parade.

edit: don’t tell people what to do

Neither is Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s desire to please over the top. He will often speak out to correct misperceptions and will act in ways that seem appropriate to him which are not always in keeping with what others expect or desire. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a far cry from being a pushoverà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’someone who leans over backwards to please.

Absolutely agree. David is no pushover and those who know him know you can’t make him do anything he doesn’t want to do. Shockingly, not even Jeff. This is something that even David Cook has said many times.

As for David’s need to please? I think he’s learned to not do it at his own expense. One recent example is the two performances he gave at the charity event in DC. He performed Prayer of the Children a Capella and accompanied himself on the piano on Imagine. Well he didn’t like his piano playing on Imagine and this is what he tweeted to a fan:

@ahecht25 Yes, but I hope you never see the video! I messed up lol. It was my first time though and I started learning it 2 nights ago

His Prayer of the Children performance showed up on his official website a day or two later but his Imagine performance on piano which he was not satisfied with has yet to show up much to the fans’ disappointment. I have no doubt he vetoed the idea of putting it online.

He can’t control the stupid shit his father does. But he can decide over his own life and career.

So we have Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s vocal paralysis, his home schooling, his inability to interact with his piers during his young adolescent years, his social awkwardness, his need to over achieve, his self professed escapism

Are you claiming his vocal paralysis was psycho-somatic? What evidence is there for this? None whatsoever. It was a physiological condition, not a psychological one.

And how was David unable to interact with his peers during adolescence? He was surrounded by friends of both sexes. There is absolutely no evidence he was unable to interact with them.

And how is his social awkwardness as an adolescence a sign of psychological deficiency of some sort? MOST adolescents are socially awkward–show me the sixteen or seventeen or eighteen year old kid who isn’t.

Ditto for over-achievment. The kid is a musical phenomenon. There’s no evidence this fact indicates some sort of unhealthy psychological development. His extraordinary musical ability was a gift, not a disease.

And ditto for his having been home-schooled. Home-schooling makes not a damn bit of difference one way or the other as far as psychological health–though there are culturally-biased individuals who would claim otherwise–again without a shred of evidence. In fact, I’m willing to bet most home-schooled kids are far better adjusted than most public school attendees.

I disagree with pretty much everything you have written, Tess. You are not a psychologist. And even if you were you have never had a chance to sit down and really talk with David to be able to give a diagnosis about what is “wrong” with David. We don’t know David. We don’t know what David’s home life is really like. All we know is the public side of David. We have never seen him all day, every day, in a private setting. We don’t know if he has never really shown any anger. We don’t know if he is tightly controlled or over wound. Even if you have seen every interview that he is done you still do not know him.

I am sad that instead of this being about what Jeff has done this has come around to be about what is “wrong” with David and that he need professional help.

Even if you have seen every interview that he is done you still do not know him.

NONE of us know David, including the peeps who insist they know that he’s the picture of mental health.

Only David and the peeps close to him know what the deal is. And I’d venture a guess that nobody in his inner-circle is about to spill the real beans to a bunch of invested fans on the internet.

I am not saying that my perspective of David is in any way fact driven…I am saying as an outsider looking in this is what I see based on my life filters, the individuals I have spoken to that have had some interaction with David and or Jeff (including my late husband). This is strictly an opinion based on my interpretation of the things I have noted about David…and I am sure that many others will completely disagree with me. Where I see David as someone who has been overly controlled in his young life, others see a young man that is totally in control of himself and his life. There are always two perspectives. I am sure my friends psycho analyze me all the time…and sometimes they are nice enough to let me know they think I may have an issue.

For everyone that think David’s life and his personality are perfection like his voice I applaud you and I hope you never loose that. But everyone needs to realize that others see things differently and the things we see and read and hear make us feel uncomfortable.

Americans have been sold a bill of goods about how they need psychological expertise every time a serious domestic problem arisesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’as if most of us are too weak-minded to cope with difficult family situations without professionals weighing-in

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s far from being a weak-minded individual longing to escape a miserable reality.

I never said he needed professional help but I do think (not know) he has figured out a way to cope that works for him, that is not uncommon and that I have seen in my students with dysfunctional families. It doesn’t make him weak minded, it makes him a survivor who has chosen to take the high road. Coping skills are not always a sign of weakness, often they are a sign of true strength. He hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t crumbled, he hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t turned into a creep, he hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t rebelled à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ it appears he has chosen to try and make things better. There is a saying à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The child is the father of the manà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and that is my point.

Please don’t take offense, none was meant.

NONE of us know David, including the peeps who insist they know that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the picture of mental health.

If there is no evidence of abnormality, why on earth would anyone suppose an individual was mentally unhealthy? The world is full of mentally healthy people whose fathers behaved badly. We don’t go around dreaming up negative scenarios to slam them, do we?

David is a warm, kind, loving human being. How do we know? Because people around him who know him best tell us this–the members of his band, David Cook, Brooke White, etc. Yes, he’s polite. Yes, he is knee-deep in charity work. Yes, he’s a nice guy. But since when does all this get twisted into some sort of mental deficiency?

To think all this is to lay the sins of the father onto the son. It’s not done in any theological way–but it’s done in a pseudo-psychological way. That’s unfair to David–and to any other decent human being whose father behaves badly and places his children in a negative light–despite their innocence.

David is a warm, kind, loving human being. How do we know? Because people around him who know him best tell us thisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’the members of his band, David Cook, Brooke White, etc. Yes, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s polite. Yes, he is knee-deep in charity work. Yes, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a nice guy. But since when does all this get twisted into some sort of mental deficiency?

I’m just saying it works both ways. The negative and the positive–it’s all speculation. None of us posting in this thread know him personally. None of us know the real deal.

the fact that he really isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t overly curious about dating or having a relationship. Fans call this perfection but I have lots of more sinister words for it.

If he were as other-directed and eager-to-please as you would suppose, he’d do what all the other kids his age try to do–enter into heavy relationships before they are psychologically ready. This is precisely why David seems to me so healthy–he KNOWS he’s not ready. There’s nothing sinister about this. Plenty of other healthy adolescents wait till they’re more mature. It’s perfectly NORMAL. When did it become a sign of unhealthiness to delay doing this till you’re ready? People want it both ways. They want to claim he looks and acts like a twelve year old–while demanding he enter into mature relationships. He knows he’s not sufficiently mature–except for his music. He’s willing to wait a while. Nothing wrong with that.

You donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know. You donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know him.

No, but we usually give well-behaved people the benefit of a doubt. Besides, those who do know him well tell us good, positive things. People like Cook. Members of David’s band. The McFly band most recently. You can’t fake that kind of reputation. These people interacted with him on an hourly and daily basis and are in a position to know.

I do not think that David is perfect. I do not think that David is a saint. I think he is human. He has his faults just like everyone else. It makes me uncomfortable when people hold David up so high and it makes me uncomfortable when people assess that something is wrong with David. I think David is a pretty normal teenager. Yeah, he might not be like a teenager that you know but that is because he is his own person. He is not going to be like every teenager. I don’t understand using the fact that David loves music and watches cartoons to prove that something is wrong with him. Music is his passion. Plenty of people have a passion for something. And they didn’t have this passion because they needed to escape from something horrible going on at home.

Is one thing if your friends have told you that you have issues and another to say that a person you don’t know has issues. I assume that your friends know you pretty well. We don’t know David at all. I wouldn’t comfortable making that diagnosis about someone I don’t know.

For everyone that think Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s life and his personality are perfection like his voice I applaud you

I for one am not claiming his life and personality are perfection. Nobody’s perfect. I’m claiming he’s psychologically healthy and normal. Big difference.

I never said that their is anything “wrong” with David Archuleta. He is a beautiful and vocally gifted “child”. All I said is that he displays all of the classic signs of a “pleaser” child. And in my experience “pleaser” children are oftentimes that way because of overly controlling people in their lives. I personally do not think being a “pleaser” child is really healthy, just like I’m uncomfortable working with people who are grown up “pleasers”.

I’m also saying that David “may” have delayed interest in the opposite sex because, obviously, there have been past issues of infidelity and marital strife in his parent’s relationship (based on the earlier divorce proceedings and Jeff’s current misfortune) that makes him hesitant to persue any kind of romantic coupling, no matter how innocent.

When you see someone who is as “totally” driven as David (especially at age 18 where the perceived norm is pretty much the opposite) and who has yet to “try his own wings” on a personal note you begin to wonder, or at least I do. David’s life is David’s life and he needs to live it. I just hope his uber fans don’t gloss over what has happened and make excuses for it. These fans need to stop treating Jeff like a celebrity and should be telling him to go home and take care of his familial responsibilities. David is an adult now and needs to tackle the music world on his own.

David strikes me as a genuine sweetie pie. His father, not so much. Well…so much for the cliche, “Like father, like son!” Eh?

As MJ has said, no one really knows what’s going on when the doors are closed.

If he were as other-directed and eager-to-please as you would suppose, he’d do what all the other kids his age try to do–enter into heavy relationships before they are psychologically ready. This is precisely why David seems to me so healthy–he KNOWS he’s not ready.

There’s no way you can know this. None of us here know what’s going on in David’s personal life. Nor do we know his motivations. None of us know him.

Every bit of it is speculation. Every bit.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m claiming heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s psychologically healthy and normal. Big difference.

No one here is in a position to claim he’s either healthy or damaged. We don’t know him.

I have faith that David is sane. And in control of his own decisions. That’s all I can go by, you know, unless a David scandal!! breaks …..

I never said that their is anything à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“wrongà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  with David Archuleta. He is a beautiful and vocally gifted à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“childà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . All I said is that he displays all of the classic signs of a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pleaserà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  child. And in my experience à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pleaserà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  children are oftentimes that way because of overly controlling people in their lives. I personally do not think being a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pleaserà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  child is really healthy, just like Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m uncomfortable working with people who are grown up à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pleasersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

It’s inconsistent to claim there’s nothing wrong with David while at the same time claiming he’s not really healthy because he’s a “pleaser” child. Those two ideas are mutually exclusive.

As for his being a “pleaser” child–I highly doubt it. There’s plenty of evidence of just the opposite. He’s polite, yes. But he can be passive-aggressive at times–as people have witnessed who watched his handlers trying to persuade him during meet-and-greets to discontinue interacting with fans. He nodded agreement–and simply went on doing what he was doing. He wasn’t rude or hostile to his handlers–and he certainly wasn’t being a “pleaser.” He was asserting himself–but without being offensive about it. David’s not overtly aggressive–but he is feisty as heck. Cook used that word to describe Archie’s performance on Top 2 night when the kid came out swinging. He well-deserved Simon’s declaration that his performances that night were a knockout. He has plenty of normal healthy fight in him–despite his care to be polite.

It just occurred to me that in a perfect world (one which I controlled, lol), David (who is an adult now, btw) would be provided with the police report, the court documents and transcripts of all news interviews with the police officers. He could then read everything for himself in preparation for a direct confrontation with his father, wherein Jeff would present his story to David. David could draw his own, informed conclusions. However, what I fear (and I do NOT know) is that this will never happen.

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s inconsistent to claim thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s nothing wrong with David while at the same time claiming heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not really healthy because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pleaserà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  child. Those two ideas are mutually exclusive.

I don’t think they are exclusive at all. We all take on roles in our family, regardless of whether it is healthy or not. David fits the “profile” of the kid in the family who holds everything together and gives the family something positive to focus on. Some would say that isn’t good, regardless of whether or not DA appears to cope with it well. Listening to the stuff Brooke Shields or the Culkin kids have said about their childhoods and status as family breadwinner, I wouldn’t be surprised if we hear similar things from DA when he is much older and ready to talk about it.

There’s a difference between saying DA is “not sane” and simply saying there’s a possibility there is and has been way too much pressure on that young man for way too long, regardless of how resillient or cheery he appears to be outwardly.

Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no way you can know this. None of us here know whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going on in Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s personal life. Nor do we know his motivations. None of us know him.

Of course I don’t know him. But this just underscores my point. For every criticism about his supposed psychological weakness or unhealthiness, there’s a counter argument to be made that he’s a kid who has his act together.

Not only this, but sheer decency would indicate that we not ascribe to good behavior negative underlying motivations. Why do this? To what purpose–especially when the negative interpretations are so fanciful and easily explained away–and especially when they fly in the face of the evidence presented by those who know David well?

I’m willing to agree David’s father is nothing to brag about. I’m willing to agree his parents’ marriage may well be dysfunctional. I’m willing to agree David uses defense mechanisms to remain psychologically healthy and upbeat despite this. But I’m not willing to agree he’s been in any way psychologically damaged.

Just the opposite in fact. David seems like a very strong person psychologically. He’d have to be, given the pressures he’s been under–especially while on AI–and given his family life as we now know it. I personally believe this is the secret that fuels his love of music. Like all good artists David converts his pain into the stuff of art. There’s a dark side to him that he sublimates with music. But that’s precisely why he remains so strong and healthy.

I almost don’t want to say this but I will….

As for his being a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pleaserà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  childà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’I highly doubt it. Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s plenty of evidence of just the opposite. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s polite, yes. But he can be passive-aggressive at timesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’as people have witnessed who watched his handlers trying to persuade him during meet-and-greets to discontinue interacting with fans. He nodded agreementà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and simply went on doing what he was doing. He wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t rude or hostile to his handlersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and he certainly wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t being a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pleaser.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  He was asserting himselfà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but without being offensive about it.

Passive-aggressive behavior, which you are accurately describing, is generally NOT considered an emotionally optimal way to handle things. If he were truly asserting himself he would have politely said something along the lines of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not ready to leave yet.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Passive-aggressive behavior is one of the hallmarks of people pleasers.

Can we just agree he is a great singer, who appears to be a very nice person, and this is going to be difficult for him?

Can we just agree he is a great singer, who appears to be a very nice person, and this is going to be difficult for him?

Bingo.

Jeez, has this thread evolved or what?!

I have only stated what I have observed. I have made no judgments about these observations other than to say they add up, for me, to a definition of a “pleaser” child. And many, not all, pleaser children tend to be that way because they often have some mental abuse issues during their formative years. And, I personally, think being a “pleaser” child is not healthy in the grand scheme of things. So everything I have said is strictly supposition based only on the data I have been able to see, hear, and read. It is not a clinical diagnosis of Archie, it is an opinion based on years of observing and working with people. I may be totally wrong in my observations, I sincerely hope I am for Archie’s sake. Being a “pleaser” child is not bad….they are usually wonderful characteristics.

I just want Archie to have a fun and balanced life and I don’t see a tremendous balance there. But again, that is only how I feel. Others may think that it is wonderful that an 18 year old has put his education on the back burner while he is touring all summer and trying to put out 2 new albums pretty much simultaneously. David has been working non-stop for a year and his only vacation has been a few days with his family in Vegas. If I was under that kind of schedule I would be demanding a month off to lie on a beach somewhere and catch up on my reading as well as my suntan. But I am sure, based on what David has done in the past, he would spend the entire month working on charitable functions….because that is what a pleaser does.

columnist Cecil Adams writes:

Merely being passive-aggressive isn’t a disorder but a behavior à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  sometimes a perfectly rational behavior, which lets you dodge unpleasant chores while avoiding confrontation. It’s only pathological if it’s a habitual, crippling response reflecting a pervasively pessimistic attitude.

We all take on roles in our family, regardless of whether it is healthy or not. David fits the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“profileà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  of the kid in the family who holds everything together and gives the family something positive to focus on. Some would say that isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t good, regardless of whether or not DA appears to cope with it well.

But the whole point is that he copes with it well. Sure it’s not a good situation–but that’s life. And it’s every human being’s life to boot. We don’t all have parents who are dysfunctional, but we have people we work with we find difficult, we have friends who betray us, we have relationships of all kinds that go sour. That’s life–and we cope with it. If we’re healthy-minded, we cope with it well–like David.

Whatever Jeff has done, even if, as his lawyer has claimed for him, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, it really sucks that there is a situation at all.

I feel for David, his mother and siblings. This would be a awful situation to have to deal with even if they were some anonymous family, but the suckiness (is that a word, Firefox spell check tells me no) is compounded by the fact that Davids celebrity means it is being played out in the public arena for all the world to see (I saw an article in the HUFFINGTON POST for gods sake).

David is or will be forced to realize by the shear magnitude of the public spectacle, the fact that his siblings and mother must live and deal with it in the public eye is a direct result of him pursuing his own dreams.

Despite David himself having done nothing wrong, his pursuit of his own dreams will make what should primarily be a private family situation that much worse. As a result, David will undoubtedly blame himself and his desire to sing for the pain this causes his mother and siblings.

I generally try to be non-judgmental and skeptical about the “news” (celebrity or otherwise) because there are just too many examples of the media / public getting it wrong and backing off (if that) only after the misconceptions have been pounded into our brains and damage has been done. (This was the best I could do in restraining myself from ranting about how poor the standards of “media” outlets have become but allow me this one final mini-rant: speculation is not fact, opinions are not fact, assumptions are not fact, news should be about fact, speculative assumptions about opinions should be kept kept out of the news and left to the bloggers and opinion columns but only if they don’t claims the news mantle.)

But in this case, whether in fact he was after a happy ending or he was just, as his lawyer says, in the wrong place at the wrong time, or even if there is some other explanation (possibly involving a time machine, a cloak of invisibility and witchcraft) that absolutely exonerated Jeff, I find myself extremely unhappy that Jeff put himself in this situation and that as a result of his own (at the very least) poor judgment / luck, David will most likely be blaming himself for the situation and to some degree doubt whether he should want to sing.

David is or will be forced to realize by the shear magnitude of the public spectacle, the fact that his siblings and mother must live and deal with it in the public eye is a direct result of him pursuing his own dreams.

Ouch

David is or will be forced to realize by the shear magnitude of the public spectacle, the fact that his siblings and mother must live and deal with it in the public eye is a direct result of him pursuing his own dreams.

Good point. David used to put a smile on my face–it was a joy to watch an innocent kid radiate such happiness singing. Now I suspect all that joy has been blighted. The notoriety will have a damaging effect on his performances, definitely. That’s why I think he might do well to cancel the tour and take a year off.

Normally, at this stage in a newcomer’s career, a year’s sabbatical would be counterproductive. People would forget who he was after a short while. But in David’s situation, after such notoriety, this is unlikely to be the case. Instead sympathy will linger and he’ll be remembered as the kid who got away from it all in order to get his head together.

I don’t know if I state that ‘I have absolutely no idea’ whether David handles conflict normally or not. I understand that we donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know what goes behind closed doors (or in his head), but I think Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s actions speaks volumes about his character and well-being. Yes, yes, no one here is 100% sure, but I just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think you can fake that kind of happiness and peaceful demeanor. I have first hand experience of a child being verbally abused by her step father (for years) and yet, she grew up to be one of the most well adjusted teenagers I know (and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m close with her, so I see her à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹behind closed doorsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢, not just her public persona). Some people are just that resilient. To me, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not that much of a stretch to think that David is just one of those people.

Good point. David used to put a smile on my faceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’it was a joy to watch an innocent kid radiate such happiness singing. Now I suspect all that joy has been blighted. The notoriety will have a damaging effect on his performances, definitely.

I’m not so sure about that. I don’t want to minimize what’s happened here, but I think David will handle it all just fine. The kid’s a professional in every sense of the word. The show must go on, as they say. He’s managed to cope with the knowledge of what occurred for the past 5 months. I think he’s a tougher kid than he’s given credit for. He’s keeping things light today on Twitter to show his fans that he’s okay and he’s moving forward.

He’s obviously wanted to be in the public eye given his appearances on both Star Search and Idol and anything since. He lives for music. If anything, it might be an escape for him during all of this. Like with most things, real life can intervene and sometimes you just have to take the good with the bad. If previous rumors are to be considered true, I’m sure David always knew there was a risk that it would all come to the forefront at some point in his career. We all have skeletons in our closets.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not so sure about that. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to minimize whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s happened here, but I think David will handle it all just fine. The kidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a professional in every sense of the word. The show must go on, as they say. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s managed to cope with the knowledge of what occurred for the past 5 months. I think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a tougher kid than heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s given credit for. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s keeping things light today on Twitter to show his fans that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s okay and heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s moving forward.

I think you’re right. I wrote this before I read some of his recent tweets. He’s in good humor–which indicates to me he’ll be fine. It also suggests he distanced himself from his father psychologically a good while ago. He’s not traumatized whatsoever–but he’s probably secretly pissed–and has been for a long time. He knows his dad’s no prize but he’s not about to admit it. More credit to him.

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not traumatized whatsoeverà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s probably secretly pissedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and has been for a long time. He knows his dadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no prize but heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not about to admit it. More credit to him.

I won’t assume he is not traumatized. How could he not be? I have never heard him say a bad thing about anyone, so I doubt he will start with his dad. He will take the high ground.

Well, the way I see it, is that David’s mom and siblings will have to deal with it in the public eye due to their husband and father’s actions, not David’s fame.

Not only this, but sheer decency would indicate that we not ascribe to good behavior negative underlying motivations. Why do this? To what purposeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’especially when the negative interpretations are so fanciful and easily explained awayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and especially when they fly in the face of the evidence presented by those who know David well?

Because it’s still speculation, whether it’s positive or negative.

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not traumatized whatsoeverà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s probably secretly pissedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and has been for a long time. He knows his dadà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no prize but heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not about to admit it. More credit to him.

How in the world could you possibly know that?

Right. Both the messengers and the innocent bystanders are free of guilt and should be left alone. It’s the perp who’s deserving of our scorn.

I was shocked to see this hit the airwaves but it explained so much. I remember recently when David’s Dad telephoned him and the camera picked up the conversation. David did not sound affectionate at all during the conversation with his Dad, even rolled his eyes once and then commented after he hung up that he (his dad) was talking about the Christmas album. Then I remember being shocked that he went to Asia and the Philippines with Ray and never a mention of his Dad. That was the first time that it was obvious that Jeff wasn’t accompanying him. As far as I’m concerned, David and the rest of his family, excluding his Dad, needs all of our support and sympathy for the humiliation they are having to endure. Jeff is a scumbag in every sense of the word and I just hope somewhere along the way there is a positive for David to dwell on, since his philosophy is to look at the positive in everything. He is such a special guy. Lately, he talks about how much fun it is taking his siblings out to eat, etc., called his Mother on Mother’s Day and the kids all talked first, passing the phone around the car, BUT NEVER A MENTION ABOUT HIS DAD. Maybe that’s the positive. It’s like he is taking over as the man in the house and keeping the rest of the family secure and loved. He is so special. No twitter today about it being Father’s Day!!!!!!!

No twitter today about it being Fatherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Day!!!!!!!

actually, after you posted david tweeted

I hope everyone had a good day this fine day. I know I did! Happy Father’s Day to all fathers!

Well, let’s face it, it’s obvious that marriage has been in trouble for a number of years as the judge granted them a divorce a few years ago; however it never became final because Utah law required them to attend some class and they never did. Money is always a factor that often leads to divorce. They didn’t have any at the time. Then David won $100K and that saved Jeff’s business and temporarily lessened the financial strain. I still wonder how David’s winning $100K saved Jeff’s business unless Archie gave them the money. I thought there were laws to protect minors and the money they make so that parents don’t take it all–like so many child stars who made money but their parents got it and used it for themselves. I don’t know. In any case, Lupe is in a terrible position. All those kids and how the heck would she support them if they divorced. Needless to say I am sure that their sex life is non-existant for a number of years, so Jeff being a man saw this an an outlet to obtain sex. He’s not the first nor the last to do this and the rationale is that it’s not a personal affair, it’s just sex. There was no emotional bond to another person. Women often look the other way and don’t want to know what their spouse is doing to get it on with someone else; however their biggest fear is that their spouse will have a real affair. If there is no emotional tie to another women, the spouse often just deals with it. Unfortunately, that’s just asking for trouble because sooner or later that spouse does find someone else and you live on eggshells waiting for the other shoe to drop. I speak from experience.

I have no problem with Jeff being a co-manager for Archie as many stars have their mother/father managing them. Why not spread the weath versus giving it to someone else? Since Archie made about $2million this last year, Jeff’s probable 7% share of managing is still darn good money to support his family. Though I have to admit it’s not fair to judge someone you don’t know, Jeff always gave me the creeps. My instincts are usually correct. In any case, I am sure Archie knew about this whole business, but what was he supposed to do, he loves his parents and nobody’s perfect.

Pleading “No Contest” to this kind of charge is neither an admission of guilt or innocence; however it is a means to avoid going to a trial and allows the defendant to just pay a fee and avoid a trial and hopefully publicity, which didnt’ work in his case because he happens to be David Archuleta’s father.