David Archuleta to Perform a Concert In Utah Friday Plus, TV Guide Interview

Dang- DA has got some great skin working for him. I wonder if that will change when he hits puberty…

I can’t see the TVG interview (it streams through choppy on my computer and I can’t make anything out clearly) but giving that concert is a really nice thing to do for his fans and for charity. While his musical style on the show wasn’t what I personally like to listen to, I’m curious to see what he comes out with post-Idol. I wish him the best of luck, he seems like a genuinely nice guy. And corny as it sounds, I like to see good things happen to good people.

What a very nice way to say thank you to Utah. It’s also smart–and I do NOT mean this negatively–because it should inspire great publicity and continued interest and loyalty in his home state. I wish him great success–and more duets with DC!

That is awesome! Glad he has time do this for his hometown fans in the middle of tour rehearsals. I heard he even spent part of his weekend off this past Sunday going to perform at a camp for troubled teens and to talk to them. There’s a vid on youtube of him singing a song called Be Still My Soul. It’s beautiful!

Just so you all know, all three parts of Cook’s TV Guide Interview are up on their site as well. I didn’t see it on here, so I thought I’d let you all know

Peace, Love, and ArchuCook!

Nice for DA fans in the area. I do wonder how this mashes with the fact that rehearsals for the tour start this friday, and whether or not 19 or his supposed record company is involved with the concert. Also wonder what this concert might include.

And as far as I’m concerned – DC and DA need to go their separate ways now, apart from the AI tour. Their target markets are completely different. The only place where these two are “a duo” is on a show like AI, and that’s how it should remain. Just MHO.

Oh, yeah, I want them to go their separate ways, too. I’d just like them to get together now and then for a duet for me. It can be *just* for me, if nobody else wants to hear it, lol.

Archucook08, thanks for the DA vid. that was awesome. i think he fits the definition of a perfect voice after seeing that.

Jolene,

I’m sure that he was given permission to do this and it must somehow work into the schedule they have for rehearsals. I agree it seems a bit odd timing and all. He himself let it slip on the LKL interview that he’ll be with Jive Records which is under 19E, but nothing official has been released about it yet. What I understand is that it takes longer to get the official press release out for these kinds of things when the artist is under 18, more legal stuff to wade through. Jordin’s didn’t come out until August last year. So anyway, I’m sure they must have allowed him to do this. All of the Top 10 are still under contract with 19E actually until the tour is over.

I do agree that the Davids need to go separate ways, but it won’t really happen until the tour ends. I would not be surprised if they did a duet on the tour actually. Don’t worry, it’s not like they’re joined at the hip. But it is nice for us fans who love them both to see them team up once in a while and AI knows this, so they’ll milk it while they can.

Oh, yeah, I want them to go their separate ways, too. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d just like them to get together now and then for a duet for me. It can be *just* for me, if nobody else wants to hear it, lol.

Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t worry, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not like theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re joined at the hip. But it is nice for us fans who love them both to see them team up once in a while and AI knows this, so theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll milk it while they can.

LOL, sorry if I was coming off a bit harsh. I’m just ready for DC (and DA, for that matter) to move on to the next phase. I guess with the tour, that’s not going to happen so soon though.
In previous seasons, did contestants usually still do appearances together after the tour was over?

PS – mj, if this is too OT, sorry and feel free to delete.

Duke, you are welcome! Yeah that video literally made me cry yesterday when I saw it. He has the voice of an angel, no doubt about it.

I don’t think after the tour I can ever recall anymore joint appearances. The joint media blitz in NY was pretty typical of the Top 2 I believe. But that will likely be it for the most part, esp. once the tour ends. I’m sure the guys will remain friends though and maybe work together once in a great while after their careers become more established, but not very much I’m sure.

Katharine McPhee and Elliott Yamin recently duetted for Randy Jackson’s recent record. They did some radio interviews together. Does that count? .

Kat and Elliot? Now THAT would be an AMAZING duet! I’ll have to check it out. I’d love to hear Archie duet with Elliot sometime since I think they’re voices have similar qualities.

David Archuleta is so great. I’m so glad he made it as far as he did. And that Be Still My Soul video….amazing! His vocals sounded flawless.

Jolene,
Why is there a problem with DC & DA appearing together? I think it’s sweet, and a nice gesture to show the world that DA was just as deserving to win as DC. Unless maybe you’re not okay with that message?

DA is the most publicized runner up for a reason.. b/c he clearly had the chops to win the competition, and in many people’s eyes, he deserved the win. So, with all things considered, he is a winner in most people’s eyes, and he deserves the spotlight just as much as DC does. It’s unfortunate actually that DA doesn’t get more spotlight.

But yeah, I can’t imagine why they’d do joint appearances after the tour.. they’re on their own after the tour is over. But for now, DA deserves the spotlight and to share it with DC is nice & sweet to watch.

Unless maybe youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re not okay with that message?

I think I made myself quite clear. Comments like yours are exactly why I want them to move along to their individual paths. They aren’t in competition anymore, yet some fans insist on pitting them against each other, putting down one of them to build the other one up, and so forth. It was understandable during the show, now it’s just silly.

So, with all things considered, he is a winner in most peopleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s eyes.

Is that so? You might want to conduct a poll or something, I think you’ll find the results shocking.

Why is there a problem with DC & DA appearing together? I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sweet, and a nice gesture to show the world that DA was just as deserving to win as DC. Unless maybe youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re not okay with that message?

Please be polite when you disagree. Don’t speculate on your fellow poster’s motives, you really have no idea what they are.

I see them both as winners personally. Both got the same stuff and finished in the places that will be best for both of them as people and as artists. DA gets the benefits of winning without the pressure, which I have a feeling he’s likely relieved about if you listen to his interviews. And DC won after proving himself a very commercial and industry-ready artist. But they will both go onto their own separate careers following the tour and I believe they’ll both be very successful and their immense popularity may hopefully help to revive a currently very lagging music industry.

Most seasons both the runner up and winner do press together. I think the amount of press they were doing together has been the issue. I think because of David Archuleta’s popularity it has seemed to some that he was a co-winner. Sorta like Ruben and Clay in season two. Season one was like that as well, hell, they did a movie together! I know most want to forget it, but those bargin bins don’t lie….

Tptb don’t care if the fanbases want seperation, they would love to have two viable winners every now and then. I mean both Ru and Clay’s coronation singles sold tons, and they both went platinum and double plat with their cds. If lightening was to ever strike twice it would be with these two. Isn’t there a rumour that Archie will be doing a new single on tour? Didn’t Clay do that in season two as well.

I loved seeing all of Archie’s interviews and performances lately. He has come into his own, he has impressed me with his youthful exuberance, and insight. The camera loves him and his voice seems to be getting better, if that is possible. Listening to him talk about his feeling when he performs really puts to rest the notion that he doesn’t want this. I wish I could be one of those filling up the seats at that concert on Friday. What a great idea.

MJ,
Sorry I didn’t mean to come off as speculating, but to me, I don’t understand why there should be a problem with them appearing together. So, I came to my own conclusion, but it could have been applied to anybody, not just Jolene. It was a general thought I had drawn based on anybody having a problem with that.

And Jolene, I certainly am not pitting them against eachother. I just simply think that to a lot of folks view them both to be winners. I mean, the general public thought Archie was going to win after finale night. So, most people, even cookies, considered it a surprise win. It’s just how it was.. Archie did awesome that night, and had unbelieveable momentum up to the finale, and could have very well won.. but didn’t. To many people, it was surprising. Even MJ said that had she not seen the Dial Idol results, that she woudl have thought Archie was the winner, right? That’s my memory of what was said. And I concur.. the only reason I personally was not surprised at the result was b/c I did see Dial Idol. if I had not seen it, and was not aware of all the funny stuff going on with TPTB, then I, like all the other people I have talked to who don’t follow the shw as closely as I did, would have thought he won it. But he didn’t, but gosh darn it, he deserves that spotlight b/c they were both winners.

To me, it’s not that Archie shoudl have won, b/c he didn’t. That’s a fact. But, he rightfully deserves just as much spotlight as Cook, and most people aren’t looking at it as weird, it’s a nice thing to see both be able to share the spotlight. Which is why I thought it odd that somebody might have a problem with that. Just my opinion.

I dont think the amount of press they’ve done together is that unusual. For major appearances they did Today, TRL and Larry Ling.I remember Blake and Jordin did those together. Cookie also did shows Archie didn’t even appear on. Clay and Ruben was the only time I rememeber what looked like a true winner co-winner situation right down to the singles coming out the same day and the extremely slim margin of victory.

DA is the most publicized runner up for a reason..

I’m pretty sure that Clay Aiken was/is the most publicized runner-up. Your mileage my vary, though.

Heard this is now cancelled. Just a guess, but I think 19 may have something to do with that.
I wonder how it even got to the point of getting announced, if it wasn’t approved by them, though.

Trina, well then why do other people here keep saying that DA is doing too much press with DC???

My opinion is that he deserves to have equal press to DC, and I do realize DC has been on Ellen & Leno & Nightline whereas DA has not, but when they do appear together, it’s clear that DA is getting just as much, if not more, of the spotlight than DC.

Nice to hear DA will do some pop and things more fitting for his age when he puts out an album. That’s what kids his age like to listen to so it makes sense.

I heard Archuleta say that he didn’t have a contract yet and they were just talking with Clive and Jive may be a good fit for him. AI has all the runner-ups under contract until the tour ends so they can’t sign anything yet; but word will be released probably before the tour ends on who will get picked up and by whom. That’s what happened last year when Blake Lewis finally found out that 19E/Arista was picking him up. David Cook of course, being the American Idol got signed immediately with 19E/RCA and will be starting work on his album during the tour.

I’m pretty sure I heard David Cook during an interview being asked whether he was going to do a duet with just Archuleta (like when he did Hero on the finale results shows) and he said that he was going to do 4 solos: Hello, Billie Jean, ABMB, and of course TOML. He said that Carly, Jason and he were to do a joint performance of Heart–Barracuda with Jason on drums, Carly doing vocals, and DC doing e-guitar. Unless they change some songs, but that was the plan.

They actually get paid by the number of solos they do–let’s say $1,000 per solo per performance and everyone gets to do something with one or two other people and clearly, they wouldn’t get the full $1,000 but split it for a group/duet. This gives everyone an opportunity to make some money during the tour. Since DC was best friends with Carly & MJ, I could see where he would do something with them and only them and give enough time for the others to do more sets or something. The logic is that DA will do 3 solos and one group, so he’s already making more money as the runner-up so it wouldn’t make sense for the two people making the most during the tour to do a duet together and deprive someone else of the opportunity to make money on tour.

DA and DC have totally different sounds and DC/MJ/CS are closer in genre and would be a better match–especially doing a rock song which is a must for concerts as it gets people going. I am so stocked for the tour but I have to wait until 14 August (Washington, DC). I hope everyone reports on their experiences here.

Even MJ said that had she not seen the Dial Idol results, that she woudl have thought Archie was the winner, right?

Actually, I was very confident that David Cook would win, up until after the Top 2 performance show. In fact, I said as much in the MTV roundtable I participated in.

I believed that Cook’s fanbase was strong (and knew how to text–please!) and that he was picking up new fans all along the way as the season progressed and that Archuleta was not, so much.

After the Top 2 performance show, I thought the judges comments would sway the casual vote in Archie’s favor. But, I was terribly wrong in estimating the size of Cook’s fanbase, and perhaps how casual viewers would react to Simon’s comments.

In the end, it turned out that Cook’s momentum going into the Final was HUGE. There was no way he was going to lose, even with Archie giving him a run for his money performance-wise, and the judges handing him the crown.

Cook won, decisively. No “co-winners” here.

I think their success depend entirely on the success of their albums coming out. Last year, Blake Lewis had more fanbase than Jordin but Jordin is more successful now (with No Air & Tattoo). Taylor Hicks (winner) has more fanbase voting for him but Chris Daughtry who came out 4th is more successfull (Daughtry album). Clay Aiken (runner-up is more successful than Ruben (winner) because of his first album (Measure of a Man). At the end of the day, its what kind of music that they come out which will determine their success. Cook winning plus making good albums will make him very successful like Kelly and Carrie. If Archie make good pop soul music, than he will also be successful despite being runner-up. I just wish everybody stop comparing Archie and Cook’s fanbases to see who is more popular and all that. End of the day, winner, runner-up is really no biggie deal.

MJ
the judges handing him the crown swayed a lot of cook voters to vote even harder, though.. that was not an advantage for DA. and a lot of DA’s fans were more complacent after that night b/c of it.

I know you were confident in DC winning up until the final 2.. I wasn’t talking about before the final 2. But you did say that you were surprised to see dial idol’s numbers b/c you had thought david had “all but won”.. weren’t those your words?

So, in a lot of people’s minds, DA is the winner. He may not have technically won.. there can be many “explanations” for losing the contest, but he is the winner in a lot of folk’s minds. And having him portrayed as a co-winner is justified, and I’m appreciative that he is being paid so much attention as though he should have won. Almost every big interview he has done points out that everybody thought he won, too.. thus, all the attention that he is getting, and he deserves it.

Reinharv,
Word is that 7 record companies were vying for Archie. I’m pretty sure something is already fairly finalized.. and has probably been in the works since day one.

But you did say that you were surprised to see dial idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s numbers b/c you had thought david had à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“all but wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .. werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t those your words?

I was shocked at the huge difference in numbers. I thought the vote would be closer.

A gap that wide is not a fluke, which makes me all the more sure Cook’s win was decisive. That and the overwhelming number of iTunes downloads Cook has sold. He had this in the bag for awhile, I believe.

Well I guess I’m not really talking about the apparently large margin (even though Zabasearch says DA was winning at midnight.. hmmm). I’m talking about the perception most people in the country had after that finale, and really just the entire season. Only people who were online a ton and had a real feel for what was going on behind the scenes, and the fanbases (I’ll concede, cook has a large fan base), knew that Cook had a better chance of winning. Most everybody else I know who doesn’t follow the show like we do, felt David A. was going to win, even before the finale.. and when he blew the competition away on finale night, people got complacent, b/c it was so obvious that David A. was going to win to them. And the casual cook supporters got riled up to vote even more b/c of simon’s comments. These are just my opinions.. I don’t know if it really happened that way, but this (along w/other reasons) is the reason why he won. The large margin, well that could be explained but will not sit well with a lot of folks here so I won’t get into it, and it’s really not my point. David A was seen as the winner in the general public’s eyes, vote count be damned, so the way he is being portrayed after the show, as the “co-winner”, is justified b/c it fits most people’s perceptions of the show.

Plus, I don’t know why, I have a feeling Castro will also be successful if he makes an album like Jason Mraz or Colbie Caillat. I would be salivating to buy his album. He came out 4th (like Daughtry) rite? I am not such a big fan of him during Idol (I love Cook and Archie) but I like his kind of music (folk)..hehe… more so than Syesha.. Hope this don’t get deleted.

As a fan of Archie it was pretty obvious to me that Cook had taken the lead via Dial Idol for at least the last few weeks of the season. However, the show did a great job of making it seem Archie was the favorite for the win. Cook’s fan base as seen in the vote and the downloads was much bigger than Archie’s by finale night.
The only odd event was Simon calling the finale a knock out for Archie. I can’t remember another finale where he got it so wrong. That led people to think Archie was more of a threat to Cook than he actually was.

I don’t see co-winners (not sure what that means) but Idol just exploiting the close friendship of the two Davids for publicity. Cook won by a huge margin, that’s it.

The only odd event was Simon calling the finale a knock out for Archie. I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t remember another finale where he got it so wrong. That led people to think Archie was more of a threat to Cook than he actually was

ITA. I think the show was brilliant in covering up how much of a lead DC had. Those of us who followed iTunes figures and DialIdol knew he was in the lead the latter half of the season, but casual vieweres couldn’t have known that. Archie kept being treated as a front-runner all along, getting called first to the sofas and other small things that made it seem like he was always completely safe and way ahead. Cook started getting more of a front-runner treatment as well, but never to the point where he felt like he was ahead of Archie.
At the time, this frustrated me. Now I just see how genius it was. They got their “surprise” winner, while in reality he was leading the race for quite some time.

That’s too bad that DA had to cancel his concert. Sounds like poor planning on the part of Team Archuleta.

A gap that wide is not a fluke, which makes me all the more sure Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s win was decisive. That and the overwhelming number of iTunes downloads Cook has sold. He had this in the bag for awhile, I think.

Simon Fuller is quoted in the current issue of Rolling Stone: “I wasn’t surprised Cook won, but that’s because I get to see all the results each week.” I don’t see any reason to think that he was dishonest about that. I think Archie has a chance to be more successful that most of the other #2 finishers, but he’s not “the rightful winner.”

Well, I’ve always thought that Arhcie’s star had fallen so much with the general public that they had to throw Jason and Syesha under the bus in order to preserve their David vs David finale. /tinfoil hat

Edit to insert the right star that had fallen.

Jolene,
But does it please you that a large reason for DC’s success on the show could be b/c of the overpimping of DA? The public perception was, we must support the underdog DC, and I know lots of people who don’t like the frontrunner, especially if it appears that the show wants them to win (some people even here have admitted that)… they get irritated and vote for the underdog. I know several people who admitted they wanted Cook to win for THAT REASON ALONE.

Hindsight is 20-20. TPTB definitely wanted to make it look closer than it really was…the hiding of the itune sales and etc. But didn’t Ryan announce during the top 4 results that only 1 million separate the final 3 contestants? I’m trying to figure that one out…

Anyways, I think the public (if judging by polls, bloggers, media, itunes sales) thought DC *should* win, but most were assuming that DA would. Maybe that was an indication of his larger fan base.

Blissful,
I agree with that.. I don’t get the 1million vote spread just the week before.

Also, I agree a lot of people thought DC should win, but after finale night, that changed quickly. Almost all the news reports I saw online and on the radio, etc.. was calling for an Archie win.

Well I guess Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not really talking about the apparently large margin (even though Zabasearch says DA was winning at midnight.. hmmm).

Nigel Lythgoe said on Ryan’s radio show that he knew by 10:30 PM Cookie won because his lead was THAT wide. I’d take his word over Zabasearch.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty sure I heard David Cook during an interview being asked whether he was going to do a duet with just Archuleta (like when he did Hero on the finale results shows) and he said that he was going to do 4 solos: Hello, Billie Jean, ABMB, and of course TOML.

He’s doing 5. He named 4 but wasnt sure what the 5th would be.

JMO but I think Cookie’s fanbase just kept getting larger and larger as the weeks went by but because the fanbase wasn’t as loud and rabid as say Jason’s or Archie’s a lot of people got fooled. Myself included to be honest because no way was I expecting a 12 million vote difference in what was expected to to be the closest finale ever.

Well, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve always thought that Cookieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s star had fallen so much with the general public that they had to throw Jason and Syesha under the bus in order to preserve their David vs David finale. /tinfoil hat

I thought they were being obviously thrown under the bus to protect the David vs. David finale, but obviously judging by the votes and iTunes numbers it wasn’t Cookie who fell with the general public.

But does it please you that a large reason for DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s success on the show is b/c of the overpimping of DA?

A large reason? Wouldn’t say that. You don’t know how big of a part that played, neither do I. Pure speculation.

Anyways, I think the public (if judging by polls, bloggers, media, itunes sales) thought DC *should* win, but most were assuming that DA would. Maybe that was an indication of his larger fan base.

Very, very true. I remember on the week before the finale, there were two online “what do the bloggers/critics say” on both Yahoo and AOL. In both cases, DC had the overwhelming support on “who should win”, and they were pretty much split down the middle on “who will win”. As I said before, AI was very successful in making it seem like DA was running away with the votes. That was not the case, and everyone, including some in his own camp, were underestimating Cook’s fanbase and his growing appeal to the general public.

The public perception was, we must support the underdog DC, and I know lots of people who donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like the frontrunner, especially if it appears that the show wants them to win (some people even here have admitted that)à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ they get irritated and vote for the underdog. I know several people who admitted they wanted Cook to win for THAT REASON ALONE

I wonder what possessed people to buy the “underdog’s” iTunes downloads in such huge numbers? Do you think people downloaded them and then deleted them just to “stick it to the man”? That’s probably what happened.

But does it please you that a large reason for DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s success on the show could be b/c of the overpimping of DA?

In reaction to that, I voted for Syesha for a couple of weeks, after Carly was gone. I saw the ITunes numbers, and was not worried about Cook.

After the finale, I don’t think anyone was “calling” for an Archie win. I thought most people, myself included, assumed his winning was inevitable after the comments the judges made as well as the solid performance Archie gave. I’m a big Cook fan and based on his performances throughout the season, feel the right person won. At least, for me, personally, since his is the type of music I’d actually go out and buy.

The judges comments at the finale were misleading in that they might make someone think that Cook didn’t do well on the finale night performances. I think he performed well that night, I just think Archie gave it his all and was the strongest he’s been all season (well, IMO anyway). So to paraphrase Randy, he peaked at the right time. I thought the knockout comment was ill-advised because it gives people the impression that Cook sucked when from what I heard from people that were there, as well as reviewers online, Cook presented himself well (I believe he even got a standing O), just that Archie’s star shined brighter that night. Archie’s songs were ballads which are more vocal-focused and the kid has a lovely voice, adding to that, he was totally “on” that night. So if one were to base their judgment solely on one show, I’m sure many feel he did outperform Cook. But I don’t vote based on one show, I don’t know anyone who really does.

I don’t know how to do the quote thingy…

“But does it please you that a large reason for DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s success on the show could be b/c of the overpimping of DA?”

I’m sure that can account for *some* of DC’s votes along with the rage over Simon’s finale comments but not 12 million of them. And that’s not taking account the itune sales — I’ve read all the arguments about why DC outsold DA and everyone else — but people want to buy what he’s singing. If we could include his massive numbers of “Billy Jean” and “ABMB” (which I think did better than his current single) his itune lead will be even greater.

I just want to know why everybody is so concerned about Cook winning despite Archies’s knockout performance during Top 2 Finale. I think people just vote on their overall performances week after week. Cook has a more versatile, refreshing performances with risky song choices like Billie Jean and ABMB than Archie who most of the times sang ballads and never take any risk in his song choices like Cookie. Archie has obvious song choices like When you Believe, Angels and reprising Imagine (hence people keep on saying he sing the same way every week hence predictable). Most of the public audience see this and vote for Cookie more.

But I still love Archie’s pure voice though, he is just restricted on his song choices with all the crazy themes and mentors plus the utterly boring producer’s and Paula’s song choices during Top 3. I am sure both Archie and Cookie has really strong fanbases but now people should just concentrate on the albums they put out. If Arch makes music like Sarah Bareilles or John Mayer (like what he said in his interview at EW-Slezak-By the way, I love his heartfelt interview, he talks about his passion for music- not just about his crazy fans), I would love to hear that instead of typical ballad (not a fan of Josh Groban music). Like Castro, I was not a fan of him during Idol because of his performances getting weaker and weaker. I love his unique rendition of I Don’t Wanna Cry (Mariah Carey) (studio version is utterly amazing) and Day dream. If he makes music like that, I would surely buy it despite coming out 4th.

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Archie concert cancelled. Not sanctioned by TPTB. Oops.

Weren’t there complaints that DC was being pimped top 3 week and the days leading up to the finale? I think its unfair to make blanket comments that DC only won because DA was overpimped and his fans were complacent. I’ve been checking many Idol boards/blogs, etc. and I would never categorize the Arch Angels as complacent.

I’m not making this comment to anyone in particular but whether David Cook would ever be your choice for American Idol is moot at this point. He is. Love him, hate him, or somewhere in between, the fact is he won and making it sound like it is undeserved, unjustified or if the win was somehow compromised is uncalled for and unwarranted.

That’s just my two cents, I know we’re all entitled to our opinions.

This thread has gotten way of course. I suggest we bring it back to topic.

Yes, I heard that DA’s concert was cancelled. I posted the new information above in the post.

Hehe.. sorry about that mj. We did got carried away didn’t we? Yeah, sadly Archie’s concert got cancelled.. Apparently, the Idol people didn’t let them do any public performances yet at this stage.. Bummer.. :sad_wp:

Hehe.. sorry about that mj. We did got carried away didn’t we? Yeah, sadly Archie’s concert got cancelled.. Apparently, the Idol people didn’t let them do any public performances yet at this stage.. Bummer.. :sad_wp:

Well, so did I, so that’s ok! Yeah, it’s too bad about Archie. Maybe after the tour he can do something special for the fans back home.

It could be the scale of the planned concert was far larger than the Idol folks were willing to allow before the official tour got underway.

Yes, carried away I see.

I was only trying to point out that it’s lovely to see Cook & Archie sharing the spotlight and that for archie to have so much attention and so many people paying so much attention to him, is well deserved b/c he is, in many people’s eyes, a winner too.

There are reasons he might not have won, but I now that Cook has a lot of fans and he did well in the competition… we can argue til the cows go home (well i will say this one last thing… by all accounts, archie had the blow away performance live during finale night.. it was only b/c the sound wasn’t that impressive on tv that simon retracted.. apparently everybody who was there was truly blown away by archie that night). But I know Cook won and he “deserves” it but Archie is warranted to get the attention he’s getting.. he’s sharing the spotlight but not only that the interviewers are reaping so much attention on him in particular. It’s great, he deserves it. That’s all. Sigh.

Archie, Cookie both are great performers.. They truly deserve what they get at this point. Winners, Runner-ups, who cares…As long as they will be successful in the future with their loyal fans backing them up..

trina

You are confused I think, nygel said he knew the results by 10:30 am the next day that Cook had won!..review your resources!

Mackie

I agree with your post 100%, as well as mrs Castro’s.

Both Davids are great, David A sings better, end of story! To anybody with a trained ear, this will hold true in every sense. Cook played his role really well in AI, maybe not too apparent to viewers who do not read between the lines. Both of them were pimped over the other contestants to great extent and at different moments of the competition.

I believe that David A had the most momentum during the first 4 weeks, both equally in the middle of the show, Cook during the latter part of it, and thanks in great part to HIS overpimping, not David A’s, the last night was clearly David A’s, as it was the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame week, without a doubt.

People, I’d like to believe that we all have a brain and that we “do not just share one”!, Even David A has said repeatedly that it is not only the last performance that counts, but all of htem and how the public perceived them throughout the entire show, he said also that if it is only based in the last night, it wouldn’t be fair to either one, because it would mean that people would not have realized all the hard work both put into the whole season!

American Idol needed to stir up things and get more people to watch, so they benefitted from David A and his high popularity ( like me, I’m 47 and hardly a tween!), once they accomplish that, they needed to do what was on their agenda: Make sure that a rocker won the season!! It was between that or not get to do an extra 2 seasons! Very clear to the naked eye.

I respect how graciously Cook seems to be in sharing the limelight with David A, I just don’t know how genuine it is to be honest. My perception of him getting closer to David A, even on the elimination nights, has been very shady. Cook knows and knew very well, how to be noticed and how to play in front of the cameras. I think he did a great job! He loves the media and he is a great performer, in every sense of the word. But David IS the better singer, he was dealt very bad and vicious cards throughout the show, and Cook seized the day (Carpe Diem), perfect timing, and he had talent that got better during the show.

David A had t endure a lot more, and he did so admirably, specially for a 17 year old. Cook won and he will do well, David A came in second and he will do great! long run future will be more for David A, age factor of course, but mostly, real talent. I give Cook 3 or 4 years max because that is how the media treats the millions of rockers that come out each year, unfortunately!

trina

You are confused I think, nygel said he knew the results by 10:30 am the next day that Cook had won!..review your resources!

I reviewed them for her, and sorry, Trina is correct. Here is the direct quote from Nigel on Ryan’s radio show:

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The votes were coming in from the east coast and the percentage was about 6% in Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s favor quite early on, and it got wider and wider as the evening went on,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  said Lythgoe as a guest on Thursdayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s broadcast of Ryan Seacrestà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s KIIS FM radio show.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“So I really knew [Cook would win] around 10PM, 10:30PM [west-coast time].à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Question: I know there have been rumors that Archie will possibly be going to Jive but what is his management situation? Does he have a manager outside of 19 that set this up and then had to backtrack when he realized that 19 still has the upper hand until the tour is over?
I know this is OT, but since everybody else was doing it, what the hell?
I almost fell off my chair laughing when I saw some of the co-winner comments. With the exception of season 2, there are no co-winners. The only reason that season had co-winners was because of the narrow vote margin and it helped that Clay outsold Ruben.
I don’t think “people” think Archie should have won. If they think that, they certainly didn’t show it on itunes. Hell, Cook was able to outsell two of Archie’s new performances with two of his old ones.
IMO, if Jason (or even Syesha) hadn’t been thrown under the bus, Archie wouldn’t even have been in the final 2. It would have been Cook and Castro.
I also laughed when I saw the comment about Archie “sharing” the spotlight with Cookie. That’s an interesting take, but he has actually received no more or less press than any other runner-up (sans Clay). I understand that as a fan, one can have a tendency to overlook faults. I am very willing to admit that Cookie was far from perfect (Hungry Like the Wolf?). But he was far more consistently good than Archie (We Can Work It Out, You’re The Voice, Think of Me, Neil Diamond week as a whole, With You).
AI needed a big winner and so far, Cook is doing just fine. When was the last time a winner’s coronation single was still in the top 5 at itunes two weeks after its release? When was the last time one of those shlock songs actually got airplay? I hear “Magic Rainbow” on the radio several times daily and it is always on the most requested countdown(must be those other “people” who like him doing the requesting, because I haven’t called a radio station in years). If he comes out of the gate with a solid, angsty, pop/rock album with a couple gritty, lung-baring ballads thrown in, he will sell like mad.
IMO, if Archie gets the right material (not always easy for a runner-up), he could pull a Yamin and get a hit song and a gold record. But be a multi-platinum artist in today’s music market? I don’t think so.
Anyway, best of luck to both Cookie (the winner) and Archie (the runner-up).

I think DA has a better shot at career longevity than Cook as well. Cook is a talented performer. I don’t begrudge him of his win. His inventive arrangements have wowed me throughout the season but if you step back and listen to him objectively, he really isn’t all that much different from lots of other rock acts out there. He may have lots of hype and momentum now and he’ll certainly be the best-selling male winner A.I. has had but when all that dies down, DC is pretty much in danger of being lost in the shuffle along with other pop-rock acts.

DA, on the other hand, is still young with a lot of room to grow. I really feel that we’ve only seen just a hint of what this kid is capable of doing on the show. His voice is also quite distinctive. You hear him sing and it’s unmistakable that it’s him. Given the right material and proper guidance and training, the kid can surprise people in the long run since he’ll stand out more in the pop market than Cook can in the rock market.

This thread has gotten way of course. I suggest we bring it back to topic.

Oh boy! MJ, I think despite you reminding us not to get carried away, it seems that this never-ending heated discussion on the topic between archie and cookie is never going to end. Can’t everyone just wish both of them the best of luck in their career and stop predicting who is going to be successful and who is not. Both of them have given their everything into the AI show for several months and always praising each other after the show finished. Just give them a break.

Thank you MJ for saving me the trouble of digging up the interview

19 must have had a slew of interns sitting on iTunes downloading Cookie’s tracks and ramping up votes on DialIdol to make his victory look legit. Its a conspiracy!!111

I see fan war season has started lol. Its all good, we had two great finalists with great fan bases to see them through. I just wish Archie had signed with Disney instead, if that was possible. Runner up is always held back because TPTB need the winner to be the “winner” in all respects. Song material is never as good for runner up although their press seems to be the same. I like both of them and have downloaded their songs that I liked from Itunes, although I didnt vote. MJ was my fav. They are 2 different styles with different markets to appeal to, so not as much competition to each other in that way. I didnt see anything false or misleading about either. During and after the finale, I gained a lot of respect for the way each handled it. They seem happy with the outcome so why can’t we ?

My last comment in this thread- Arch did repeatedly say Cook deserves to win AI as Cook have proven week after week that he had given the best performances despite Simon saying Arch gave a knockout performance Top 2 Finale night. The I tunes sales also proves this- Cook sales more! I agree with Archie that Cook deserves to win this thing, even he himself sees that. But whatever it is, its not that Arch wants the spotlight of this whole thing. Its AI who plans all these media spotlight on both of them. So don’t blame Archie that he shouldn’t get the spotlight. Geesh..

I have to point out, the night when there was a 1M vote margin between the top 3 vote getters was NOT Top 3 night. Ryan said this on the results night for Top 4/Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. At that time, Syesha was the one woman left vs three guys, and she’d had a big night with the Sam Cooke song. Archie had had a huge night and was told he’d crushed the competition. Cook had a relatively bad night. The fact that there was only 1 M vote margin under those circumstances was bad news for both Archie and Syesha, since that meant it was tight when they both did really well and Cook did badly (and if you look at Dial Idol, Cook won the night by a statistically significant margin over both Archie and Syesha). Also, note that what Ryan says is, the top 3 were separated by 1M votes from each other — which could mean that Cook had a 1M lead over Archie who had a 1M lead over Syesha, which would correspond nicely to the Dial Idol predictions.

The Top 3 night, Ryan said nothing about relative results. DI shows Cook as totally dominant by a huge margin — 10 DI score points over Archie. This is a night where Cook did well and Archie got criticized, so Archie’s fanbase would not have been complacent.

Top 2 night, Cook took an early lead on DI (he was leading by 5-6 points out of the gate), which widened to 12 points over the course of the night. This is confirmed by the final vote results and what we know from Nigel. So even if hardcore Archie fans had gotten complacent and gone to bed (unlikely; these were the people going *door to door* the days before the finale), he was already losing before they ever left.

DA just flat out lost. The Archies both casual and passionate were just significantly outnumbered by the respective groups of Cookies, and the iTunes results bear that out.

That doesn’t mean DA doesn’t have a bright future. The ~44 million votes he got would have won in any other season (right?) and he and Cook are so different that 19E would be dumb not to market them both enthusiastically to their respective markets. It DOES mean that Cook is significantly *more* popular, and his victory wasn’t actually a surprise at all to anyone following the statistics.

(And FWIW, I would bet a lot that Zabasearch is just plain bogus. Their process is obscured and as best I can tell just relies on internet search statistics — ie, how often people are searching for a contestant and/or how many hits they have online, which does not necessarily have any direct relationship to voting for that contestant. They are not actually measuring text messaging (I am pretty sure there is no way anyone COULD do so without AT&T’s cooperation, since the text voting goes entirely within the AT&T network) or phone voting. Dial Idol is the only site that has a transparent and statistically sound process. Even though it only predicts phone votes, there’s no actual evidence to think text votes break in a significantly different way and a lot of evidence that DI gets it right once the # of contestants dwindles.)

Let’s move forward!

DC won. His vocal range and ability to color outside his box handed him the win. Not to mention his charisma – it’s huge !

Archie has serious limitations. He has one constant when singing. Every song sounds the same due to his vocal cord problems. Sad but true. Too many notes he can’t hit.

Archie also lacks confidence when performing (he ups it 10% during interviews but that doesn’t when count when it comes to sales).

astolat — zabasearch is merely a wannabee.

Oh yeah, don’t worry Cook fans, the moment Cook won, all spotlight is on him. This is a radio interview with Archie in which one of the DJs mentioned that he saw Archie after the finale, hanging out by himself while cameras went for Cook.

http://10.130.200.1:3128/ProgressMessages/KZZP_DAVID_ARCHULETA_5-28-08.mp3?proxy=10.130.200.1&action=complete&index=416&id=179200519&filename=KZZP_DAVID_ARCHULETA_5-28-08.mp3

or here http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=562327

The ~44 million votes he got would have won in any other season (right?)

I do believe I read somewhere that both Cook and Archuleta are the first and second highest vote getters respectively in “Idol” history. Yes, DA would’ve won easily with 44 million votes if this was any other season.

The 12 million vote difference may SEEM huge but not if taken to account the total number of votes: 97.5 million. Even David Cook himself said that the number is misleading. I read a post by a guy who said he texted 4,000 times in all 4 hours. If 3,000 people did the same, that would total 12 million votes.

Archie has serious limitations. He has one constant when singing. Every song sounds the same due to his vocal cord problems. Sad but true. Too many notes he canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t hit.

I disagree. I’ve listened to a lot of studio versions of his songs. The kid has quite a range. He uses an absolute killer falsetto in the “Love Me Tender” studio version. He’s just not confident with it and seldom uses it. With more experience, he’ll learn.

Archie also lacks confidence when performing

The tour will take care of that.

pattyb, “David A sings better, end of story”? Spoken like a true Archie fan who’s unwilling to accept runner-up status.

I started out exclusively a fan of David A but Cook got me at “Hello” and wouldn’t let go. Towards the end, I couldn’t decide who I wanted to win and was able to come up with reasonable arguments why it would be better for Archie or Cook to win and for the other to finish second. Ultimately, I think it worked out for the best for all involved – Cook, Archie, and both fandoms, though some Archie fans may not be ready to come to that conclusion for a while yet.

I respect how graciously Cook seems to be in sharing the limelight with David A, I just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know how genuine it is to be honest. My perception of him getting closer to David A, even on the elimination nights, has been very shady. Cook knows and knew very well, how to be noticed and how to play in front of the cameras. I think he did a great job! He loves the media and he is a great performer, in every sense of the word. But David IS the better singer, he was dealt very bad and vicious cards throughout the show, and Cook seized the day (Carpe Diem), perfect timing, and he had talent that got better during the show.

pattyb, how is it that you can read David Cook’s thoughts? I don’t think you’re respecting his graciousness of sharing the stage with Archie at all if you feel his befriending David A on stage is “shady”. As for performing in front of cameras and the media, Archie has far greater experience than Cook. Who won Star Search at the age of 12 in front of a national tv audience? Archie was already performing on Jenny Jones and The Early Show 5 years before Cook got the same sort of exposure. I loved Archie’s performances during this season but he most certainly was not “dealt very bad and vicious cards throughout the show”. When he messed up, the judges either ignored the mistakes or gave toned down criticism. Perhaps you can point out the “very bad and vicious cards” he was dealt.

TylerWV, fan wars have always bugged me. Yeah, I realize everyone is entitled to their opinions, but it is possible to cheer for one’s favourite without denigrating someone else, usually the fan-perceived rival. Because I’m often a fan of more than one, I find it difficult at times to slog through fan forum postings that bash the other guy(s). It was like this with AI5 between the fans of Taylor, Elliott and Chris, with Rock Star INXS between the fans of JD and Marty and now between Cook and Archie fans.

Runner up is always held back because TPTB need the winner to be the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“winnerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in all respects. Song material is never as good for runner up although their press seems to be the same.

I have to address this comment of yours. This might be the case if both winner and runner-up were signed to the same label and were the same style of singer, but neither scenario is ever the case.

In season 1, AI had no clue what they were doing and fumbled the ball for both Kelly and Justin. Kelly’s career recovered; Justin’s never did. In season 2, there certainly was no “holding back” of Clay in favour of Ruben. In fact, AI seemed eager to promote them both out of the gate. In season 4, I think Carrie was fortunate that Clive Davis admitted to being clueless about country music and let real country music producers handle her debut CD. Regrettably, he didn’t take such a hands-off approach with Bo, who ended up with a watered down pop-rock concoction bought mostly by just Bo’s AI fans but shunned by non-AI-watching rock fans. Instead of learning his lesson, in season 5, Clive again exerted his influence over the winner’s CD, resulting in Taylor’s rather bland post-Idol album that pales in comparison to his earlier work. I guess he was too busy messing up Taylor’s CD to involve himself much in Daughtry’s, for which Chris will probably be eternally grateful.

David Archuleta is the better vocalist. David Cook is the better performer.

Rock is the popular genre at the moment so of course David Cook is the more popular and probably his album will sell gajillions.

David Archuleta fans, do not get discouraged. DA has great potential. It is better to be under-rated. I think he is going to surprise a lot of people.

I wish David Cook all the best.

David A, I can’t wait for your album.

Boy these posts have devolved, that’s for sure.

The original point is, even though DC won, DA deserves just as much spotlight as he does… I don’t CARE about the vote count, and all this nonsense talk, in the end. It’s not really the point I was initially trying to make. I just had a hard time swallowing that a cookie would actually have a problem that DA was getting so much attention in their joint appearances.. or have a problem with the appearances together in the first place, b/c as your fellow cookies have said… it’s not that unusual. What is unusual and very deserved is the quality of attention he is getting. Nobody is treating him like the runner up, they are treating him like he could have very well won (and acknoweldging left & right that the public thought he was going to win), and it’s great b/c Archie deserves it. I was watching idol tonight before the results show, and i think 99% of the people who were interviewed (famous people) said they thought Archie had it in the bag. I am not saying that 99% of them were his fan or supporter, but they admitted he really blew the audience away and he sure seemed to have it in the bag. So, after he didn’t win, all the attention that was given to him in the joint appearances was b/c he was a winner in a lot of people’s eyes. Honestly, this isn’t up for argument b/c it’s just the way it came down to it in the end, and how I saw it on tv with my very own eyes. And, my point is, he deserves it.

Astolat,
I didn’t take the 1 million vote comment to mean there was 1 million between each of them.. he said it as if there was 1 million voting separating all three together.

Ouch. This is my first time dealing with the contestants’ fan factions and it looks like it has potential to turn all kinds of ugly.

I’m sorry for the Archie fans that his show was canceled. Hopefully, it’ll be rescheduled.

Now I think I’ll slowly back out of this thread, lol.

Astolat,
I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t take the 1 million vote comment to mean there was 1 million between each of them.. he said it as if there was 1 million voting separating all three together.

That’s how I took it.

I was watching idol tonight before the results show, and i think 99% of the people who were interviewed (famous people) said they thought Archie had it in the bag.

That has more to do with Simon’s declaration of a “knockout” than people believing he deserved it. Public perception is easily swayed. What MJ said about how Cook’s lead going into the finale having to be huge is true.

This is why they announced the vote totals– so that people would know that Cook’s victory was not an upset at all.

2 more points:

1- Archie is an incredibly gifted singer and seems like a great (albeit goofy) kid.

2- They were both pimped. In fact, Cookie was the only one given a standing O by Randy. It was Cook that was proclaimed as “(I feel like I’m looking at) the American Idol right there,” “the person who could win the whole thing,” and if the show remains a talent competition, versus a popularity contest- the winner.”

Speaking of fan wars. We don’t do that here. When I ask folks to get back on track, I mean it, OK?

The dead horse. It is beaten. Now, either get back on track, or I’m going to close comments in this thread.

Oh BY THE WAY. When I ban someone, it’s not a CUE to rejoin with a new name and continue the same shenanigans.

A tip: It doesn’t take me long to figure that crap out.