David is very devoted to his Mormon faith and beliefs, and will probably not take the path most teenage singers do in the business. Think George Osmond, who managed the Osmond Brother’s careers for many years, steering them in directions that fit with their beliefs.

The challenge will be producing a current, classy product and keeping to David’s standards.

Funny thing is that during tour, Jeff was around but wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t being mobbed (obviously) like David, so fans would seek him out to talk to him. They got a lot of information out of Jeff. The fans did not like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“the suità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  he wore during the tour and talked to Jeff about it. David did not like the suit either, but he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to offend the stylist (it didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t compromise his morals). When fans talked to Jeff urging him to tell David to get his wardrobe changed, Jeff said something about he tried to talk to David, but David has a mind of his own like most teens and would have nothing to do with it. That was actually very encouraging.

That’s a very good point. I do remember that conversation about the Wayne Newton suit being posted during the tour. Also, it’s interesting that the EW article link was posted earlier about how Jeff was calling the shots during rehearsals during Neil Diamond week on AI (as if that was an indication that he was somehow making all of the decisions for David) because after the show was over, David told Larry King in his first interview that he didn’t always follow Jeff’s advice and sometimes did his own thing while he was on the show. That tells me that while David looks like he might be a pushover, appearances can be deceiving.

Also Brooke was being interviewed about David and Jeff staying at her house while they are in LA recording and she said she has seen David becoming more bold about making decisions. That is exactly what you want your kids to do. You want them to let you help and guide them until they get stronger and more and more capable and competent so they can go it on their own. I think Jeff is a great father and he and David have a wonderful, healthy relationship. I am not worried about David. He is right on track.

The guys pretty much said snicker snee to all of that, and the tour was resounding fun for everyone. Archie had a blast and was not confined in any way by his father. He signed, he hugged, he conquered, and yes Jeff did let him drink water, lol.

LOL I have to laugh at that one… well for now we can only hope that Jeff/Paul take the right decisions….Good luck to Archie…

ETA; I certainly hope that Jeff is manipulative. He is going to have to be in order to maintain even a bit of control over Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career. If he turns out to be the success I think he is going to be, it will be a struggle to make sure he isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t undercut. He better have a bit of shark in him.

Well said and I agree with you 100%. As sue already pointed out earlier, there are a lot of teenagers who would probably hate having their parent managing their music careers but David is a “different breed.” He’s mentioned that he goes through the typical father/son issues that most teenagers do, but he’s also quick to acknowledge that his dad knows better than anyone else what he’s trying to accomplish with his music and can often articulate it better than he can.

I also think that yet another part of Jeff’s involvement is to help David avoid being placed in situations where he feels his values are being compromised. I don’t get the impression that David would personally choose to go down this path of his own free will, but I wouldn’t be surprised if, in the effort to put forward a more sexed-up image in a few years, his label or management tries to push him to do something that might go against his morals. It will be good to for David to have someone there to help provide some pushback. It’s more important to me as a fan that David to be allowed to pursue his music career on his own terms, regardless of whether they may not be considered the most profit-maximizing.

I have no idea about Jeff and what happened on idol. I do know that alot of the stuff discussed on this board was debunked by some of the very people who would know. I recall talk on this very board that Jeff might have been banned because of ‘mind games’ he was playing on the contestants. I recall questions about how disruptive Jeff might be on the tour bus and maybe Lupe Archuletta should accompany him instead. What happened with that Jeff? The guys pretty much said snicker snee to all of that, and the tour was resounding fun for everyone. Archie had a blast and was not confined in any way by his father. He signed, he hugged, he conquered, and yes Jeff did let him drink water, lol.

I think that the parent as manager has it’s pros and cons. Case in point Usher, his mom managed him from day one until his career hit it’s apex. Then he fired her, and his career hasn’t been quite as peachy. I believe he has rethought that little arrangement. Then there is Jessica Simpson, while maybe a bit of a side joke now, she has sustained a career on not that much talent, managed by her skeevy dad. It works for them, and the Lohans too.

I also would have some reluctance to allowing my child to contract with anyone who I think does not have his best interest as heart, only the bottom line, who else but a father would be able to go to the mat the way Jeff did even while being reviled in the press, for alot of stuff that was simply not true. Maybe he was overbearing, or maybe over protective. I am a mom so I am sure I would too fall somewhere in the middle.

Considering how management changes at the drop of a hat, I think for now this is better for David. If he doesn’t think so in the future, that can be changed.

ETA; I certainly hope that Jeff is manipulative. He is going to have to be in order to maintain even a bit of control over David’s career. If he turns out to be the success I think he is going to be, it will be a struggle to make sure he isn’t undercut. He better have a bit of shark in him.

Congrats to Archie. I hope that his management team works out well for him. I think that it is a good idea for Jeff to co-manage Archie now since he is so young. He’s young even for 17. I think that he needs someone who has his best interest at heart around him as he enters this new chapter in his life. I don’t think that Archie is naive but he’s not ready for the sharks. Jeff is somewhat familiar since he’s a musician.

Hopefully, they ended things peacefully with Simon Fuller because he’s a pit bull too and could cause trouble. Clearly, two pit bulls can’t co-manage together. I think it would be hard for 2 ambitious strong willed individuals to co-manage. Simon was good to Jason and Michael, so hopefully these 2 men came to a mature realization that it wouldn’t work.

Archie’s new manager’s top clients are Nich Lachey and New Kids on the Block? I don’t see this as the huge plus as you do. Clearly, he was needing some new clients. At least he should have time to manage whereas Simon Fuller does have his hands full with Daughtry, Jordin, Carrie and Cook. Archie is doing very well at the moment so it’s not like he need a lot of help. The biggest prize to me is Jive. They always do such a great job.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m going to try and not make any judgments now (thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hard!) and just sit backà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and watch.

Me too, Gwen. I think it’s a good thing for Archie, but….time will tell, won’t it?

While some of the media reports about Jeffà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s behavior were certainly exaggerated, I never 100% bought his media rehabilitation after Idol was over either. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

I always refer back to this article.

Reports back from the tour were nothing but good where Papa was concerned. But, that was a waaaaay relaxed atmosphere.

There’s no doubt that Archie needs some guidance. He’s only 17 after all. But, I think this will be a whole different ball game for JA, what with Archie playing with the big dogs now.

I’m going to try and not make any judgments now (that’s hard!) and just sit back…and watch.

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

I have to agree with you on that one, mj. There had to be SOMETHING behind the whole “banning” of Jeff from rehearsals or whatever, or it wouldn’t have happened. Exaggerated media reports for sure, but….I’m just not buyin’ their arguments that these stories were 100% fabricated.

That said, I still think the benefits of having him co-manage David will outweigh the potential problems. As a parent, I cannot imagine not having any involvement and/or input in my 17-year-old’s decision making. I think David still needs him, and I think it’s a good move on their part.

Still on the fence about JA co-managing, thoughà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

Hm. Me too. While some of the media reports about Jeff’s behavior were certainly exaggerated, I never 100% bought his media rehabilitation after Idol was over either. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle…