David Archuleta Set to Open Demi Lovato Summer Tour

And once again, no where in N. Florida. Tampa gets EVERYTHING! WHY?!

And uh, is it me, or is DA miles better/more famous than the girl he is opening for? Oh wait, he is…

SOOOO EXCITED!!!!

And I also find it weird that David is arguably more famous than Demi. Oh well, opening is better than no summer tour at all.

And once again, no where in N. Florida. Tampa gets EVERYTHING! WHY?!

Because we’re super cool, that’s why. Okay, I’m kidding. Actually, this is why:

The St. pete times forum ranked as the No. 1 venue in the world for gross ticket sales in the first part of 2009, according to industry magazine Venues Today. From mid January to mid February, the venue’s total gross ticket sales were over $6 million, which topped the No. 2 venue, Acer Arena in Sydney, Australia, by almost $700,000. For the second year in a row, Venues Today named the times forum the top-grossing arena in Florida. In 2008, the forum grossed nearly $32 million for 80 shows and more than 460,000 people.

The Times Forum is the only viable concert venue of its size for the Tampa Bay Area. The regions population is over 4 million people. So, they get all of the concerts, because they bring in lots of peeps

Wow, that’s a lot of Midwest dates!

Demi sold 364K albums, David sold 677K.

Honestly, they should at least be co-headlining, but I guess she is probably more popular with the target demographic.

Woot! There are 2 dates that I could go to. The one at Nassau and the one at Rhode Island!

I don’t understand why David is the opener….I have a 5 year old and tween nieces so I’m well aware on who Demi is but if it wasn’t for my TV being forever stuck on the Disney channel I’d have no clue….has she ever even had a song on the radio?? So just because she was in a movie with the Blonas Bros she’s considered a headliner?? Even her new show on Disney isn’t so great….it’s barely ever shown. I say David got the short end of the stick on this deal….he’ll be way way way more of a draw than her in ticket sales.

Good luck for Archie in the tour… and crossing my fingers for next week Idol performace…

Touche’ SpenserJ, touche’…

and wow, thats a big album sale difference. Plus, i only remember seeing one thing from this girl so far and it was her singing the national anthem at some football game. She sounded good, but a lot of young girl belting imo. dont see her headlining yet. Archie will blow her out of da H20.

Ah should be awesome! Hopefully I’ll get to go to a show.

btw Demi > David in popularity regardless of sales. I’m just glad he gets to do an arena tour. awesome awesome!

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand why David is the openerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.I have a 5 year old and tween nieces so Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m well aware on who Demi is but if it wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t for my TV being forever stuck on the Disney channel Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d have no clueà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.has she ever even had a song on the radio?? So just because she was in a movie with the Blonas Bros sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s considered a headliner??

Maybe is so David ´s fans can leave the arena after David is finish ;D

I’d stay for Demi… lol Dunno if the hubby would… or if he’d even go… haha

My guess is that she’s a lot more popular with the younger demo. The JoBros don’t need radio hits to be famous, I think the same with Miley and any Disney star. They’re on TV or cinema or whatever, and gain their fans there. She will take the young kids to the concerts and David will take the older fans. Seems like a good match.

Demi sold 364K albums, David sold 677K.

I agree that at this point in time, David has sold more albums, but Demi’s album was in the top 50 in sales this week:

46 DEMI LOVATO HOLLYWOOD 12,975 – DON’T FORGET

So her album still has momentum. David’s has pretty much stalled. David will get a lot of exposure and experience from this tour. That can only be a good thing.

My guess is that sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a lot more popular with the younger demo. The JoBros donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need radio hits to be famous, I think the same with Miley and any Disney star.

But those guys have at least platinum albums. Demi doesn’t even have a gold album… and Camp Rock doesn’t count coz that’s mostly on the account of the JoBros.

I still don’t get why David has to open for someone arguably less popular. Demi is a talented girl, but most of the fame she has is riding on the coattails of the more popular Disney stars. If they’re gonna tour together, it should be at least co-headlined.

Mac She just recently re-released her album as a deluxe edition and has been promoing it lately.

I still donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get why David has to open for someone arguably less popular.

I really think she’s more popular with the younger demo. But thinking about the artists out there on tour, what was left for David to do? When you open to someone there has to be some sort of relation, I don’t think David would fit with any other artist.
If Disney thinks the girl can sell those venues, good for David. It’s more exposure for him and to the main target of his music.

hardcandy, who ever the official headliner is, David is getting just as much press–interestingly enough. Rarely have I ever heard an “opener” mentioned so often and so prominently. As a fan, I’m on the fence about all this, but I’m embracing the positive. And there are positive aspects of it.

Toucheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ SpenserJ, toucheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

LOL Duke – you just can’t fight the numbers. You should travel down if you really want to see this concert though – it really is a great venue.

My kids watch Demi’s show, so I know she’s popular in that regard. I’m not familiar with any of her music though. I actually think these are pretty ambitious arenas for these two. But, that Disney channel does seem to work some magic when it comes to filling concerts.

I suppose the good news is that 10 year olds don’t have cars, so someone has to take them there. Maybe it will be a good opportunity for David to hook some of the parents. I suspect these concerts will be filled with the under 13′s and their over 40 parents. I’m not sure what David’s target demographic is, but if it’s the 18 – 25 set – he better hope some of these kids are coming with their nannies LOL.

Mac She just recently re-released her album as a deluxe edition and has been promoing it lately.

Oh, OK. Thanks frogcooke. I didn’t know about the re-release of the album. That then, along with the tour should really help her. I don’t follow the tween market, but she seems to be getting a lot of buzz. I hear her name quite a bit. I am not keen on the idea of David going the tween route (just based on my personal tastes in music, and again, I think he is better than that), but it seems like a good thing if Jive homes in on a particular demographic. They have just seemed all over the place with David. If he sticks with the tween market, he could become huge. Then other doors will open in the future. It all seems good. Whether he is the opener or the co-headliner doesn’t really seem to matter. The audience will hear him regardless. Seems like a good opportunity.

I still donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get why David has to open for someone arguably less popular. Demi is a talented girl, but most of the fame she has is riding on the coattails of the more popular Disney stars. If theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re gonna tour together, it should be at least co-headlined.

AI fans tend to be a bit myopic. Out in the real world Demi has much more momentum than David and she is more popular with the tween and younger teen set. DA’s album sales can be attributed to a good first couple of weeks due to AI momentum buys and the holidays. He’s struggled since then, in sales and on radio. Lovato doesn’t need a radio hit, she has the power of Disney behind her, an association with the Jonas Brothers, and does tv movies.

I certainly hope the DA fans don’t take the tacky route and leave at the end of his set. It certainly would be a sour grapes move and wouldn’t “prove” DA’s popularity so much as it will confirm the reputation of AI fans having a total lack of respect and no manners. Archie needs Lovato’s fans, it’s not the other way around, and his fans should approach this concert tour with that mindset.

As a fan, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m on the fence about all this, but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m embracing the positive. And there are positive aspects of it.

Sorry if I’m such a downer, hehe. If it’s any consolation, I think his tour with McFly in the UK is a great move.

I just wish there was a bigger star for David to tour with so he can get his name out there more.

I suppose the good news is that 10 year olds donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have cars, so someone has to take them there. Maybe it will be a good opportunity for David to hook some of the parents. I suspect these concerts will be filled with the under 13à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s and their over 40 parents. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure what Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s target demographic is, but if ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the 18 – 25 set – he better hope some of these kids are coming with their nannies LOL.

that’s a really good observation; and these huge arenas aren’t places where you can just drop off and pick up your kids. On the other hand, our babysitter, age 23, has “Crush” on her phone but probably has no desire to see Demi Lovato.

Also, don’t you think they needed another name to draw sufficient audiences to fill these enormous places? Demi Lovato couldn’t tour with, say, Ashley Tisdale or the places would be half empty. I do wonder how the producers/promoters will figure out how much of the audience is there for which performer. Also, if more people are there for David, and he does 30 minutes and Demi does 75 minutes, how will that affect the dynamic of the show? I guess if the places start emptying out before she’s done (to get a jump on the traffic?), that may change how they do things?

If ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s any consolation, I think his tour with McFly in the UK is a great move

I know, a young band, like Fall Out Boy, is a better pair for David. A draw for the 18 to 29 demo. This pairing will just cement David with kids.

OH, no, hardkandy! I wasn’t aiming that at you. It was more of a confessional statement. ha! I feel ya.

One more observation I have after seeing/hearing David live: he wins new fans. Always. I’ve seen spouses, the curious who attend just because of the “idol” name, boyfriends and girlfriends, young and old, won over by his talent. So, more people in an arena for whatever reason exposed to his talent will mean more fans. That I know.

David Archuleta opening for a Disney actress is laughable. You kind of wonder what the heck his management team is doing. Going from headlining his own tour to opening for McFly to opening for the Disney actress seems to be a step backwards. I suppose the only positive aspect to David opening is that I can see him in concert without having to sit through the other act.

Oh, OK. Thanks frogcooke. I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know about the re-release of the album. That then, along with the tour should really help her. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t follow the tween market, but she seems to be getting a lot of buzz. I hear her name quite a bit. I am not keen on the idea of David going the tween route (just based on my personal tastes in music, and again, I think he is better than that), but it seems like a good thing if Jive homes in on a particular demographic. They have just seemed all over the place with David. If he sticks with the tween market, he could become huge. Then other doors will open in the future. It all seems good. Whether he is the opener or the co-headliner doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really seem to matter. The audience will hear him regardless. Seems like a good opportunity.

Yeah it’s definately a good opportunity regardless, any times there a lot of people hearing you is always a good thing… unless you sound like a cat being put through a blender… haha

Cynicism rears its ugly head, again, with me. No way is Jive marketing David for anybody over the age of 18. They want him to be in a league with the Jonas Brothers…because there really is a void in the teen/tween market for singing heart throbs. Most of the cast of High School Musical are over 21 by now so they are moving on folks. Jive is going to PUSH David as hard as they can to get their 50 cents out of him as fast as they can. Teen mags lead to merchandising…and, face it, David is cute and photographs wonderfully, and has that great non-threatening personality that the teen/tween set adores.

Jive would really like the “grandmothers” in David’s fan base to do the real fast disappearing act since they, obviously, have decided that they are a detriment to David’s progression. And since, unless they drag their grandkids along, many of David’s mature fans will feel uncomfortable (especially the grandpas) in a swarm of screeming 12 year olds that part of David’s fanbase will fade into the background.

I love you David A. and I really miss ya…but I will not be going to the concert. I am heartsick about it but I can’t see myself adding to the coffers of Jive and Disney. I’ll be back on the David bandwagon when this hitch in his career is over. Have fun, Davey, and don’t forget about the fanbase that got you where you are at!

I have to post this two scans… lol at his reason not date the woman they pick for him…

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I don’t think this is a good move for David. It’s almost like his management is making him do anything to gain exposure. I think they need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

June 29: Duluth, Ga. (The Arena at Gwinnett Center)

Sooooo happy they are gonna come to Ga.

This tour could be very special for David. I hope he has so much fun cause I know we will. lol

:clap_tb:

Tess, I attended the two Texas concerts on David’s solo tour. At both, MOST of the fans there were under the age of 20. I’d bet a month’s salary on it. Maybe others had a different experience, but that was mine. I’m not saying he doesn’t have older fans–I’m one of them. I’m not crazy about jive’s decision, but a part of me gets it.

One more observation I have after seeing/hearing David live: he wins new fans. Always. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve seen spouses, the curious who attend just because of the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  name, boyfriends and girlfriends, young and old, won over by his talent.

I’ve read that a lot Houston. My favorite was two college guys walking out and one said, ” I no longer feel ashamed that I was at a David Archuleta concert.”

Have fun, Davey, and donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t forget about the fanbase that got you where you are at!

The way I see it is , his solo tour was for his established fanbase, the McFly tour is for the UK / college age crowd, Demi tour is to get in with the tweens. If he stuck to his original fanbase that got him where he’s at then he will go no farther.

Ohhhhh I see a date right by my daughters birthday………score!

It is quite obvious that David is being positioned to take over the Disney heartthrob role that will soon be vacated by the Jonas Bros. I suppose it is great for David, if that is what David wants. For me, it just seems like a huge waste of talent squandered on entertaining preteen girls.

Demi is more popular among kids, tweens and teens. David has a broader fan base overall, but doesn’t have the promotion a big Disney movie and TV show can provide. If you notice the difference between the way Jordin was marketed as a special guest with the Jonas Brothers and the way David is marketed as Demi’s special guest, David has been getting far more mention relatively speaking. He’s named in every article–and the two pairing is often the focus of the article. My guess it’s because when Jive negotiated the tour with Hollywood, they made provisions for David’s name to appear more prominently in advertisements and press releases (even the physical size of David’s name in the poster is nearly as large as Demi’s name).

BTW, it’s JIVE that negotiated the tour, not David’s management. It can get confusing, but tours are label business.

Downside is David has to take the opener label and will get a smaller share of the revenue. Upside is that he and Jive probably have to pay for very little or almost none of the fixed costs of the tour (he would still have to pay for his own bus, hotel rooms and his band). As I mentioned in a previous thread, Hollywood knows how to put on a tour; Jive reserves those resources for more established artists on their roster, and newer artists get placed as openers.

And I still don’t get how this tour forecloses David’s appeal to fans over the age of 18. Some may not go to this tour, but they went to his last solo tour, and he’s just recently mentioned in Asia that the songs on his next album will be more mature and soulful (he’ll have a few fun ones as well, he says). Coincidentally, that’s exactly the direction Demi is taking her next album. The name Disney doesn’t always mean dumbed-down. They’re simply marketing to a younger demographic who overall actually have better taste than adults seem to give them credit for.

The way I see it is , his solo tour was for his established fanbase, the McFly tour is for the UK / college age crowd, Demi tour is to get in with the tweens. If he stuck to his original fanbase that got him where heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s at then he will go no farther.

I definitely agree IGetCranked. I don’t see what’s so bad about trying to reach both the tween and mainstream demographic. David did say in interviews from Asia that his second album will be a lot more mature and take on a more soulful flavor in addition with radio friendly songs. It doesn’t get better than that.

And that would be the flipside, brewster. ha!! I am absolutely being sincere when I say I can see both sides of this.

For the record, I do not believe this would have been David’s first choice. Just sayin’.

For me, it just seems like a huge waste of talent squandered on entertaining preteen girls.

Just because David is tapping into this fanbase doesn’t mean that his music is going to go to that level. It will mature as he matures.

Great post, Lisa.

I’m fine with this. What I think people fail to remember is that David very recently did his own successful headlining tour that sold out all but two venues, one of which was a near sell-out and the other which didn’t sell out because it was announced quite late in the game. I kind of looked at his solo tour as the one to cater to his adult fans, since most of the shows were in the middle of the week and took place in more rock band-oriented venues and performance halls. On the other hand, this Demi tour is clearly for the younger fans, which is why, as an adult without children, I plan to sit this one out.

Another reason I think they took this route is because it takes the pressure off of David so he has time to focus on writing and recording for his next album. It’s a win-win situation for him–he gets to ride on the coattails of someone who is clearly popular with the tween/teen crowd and pick off some new fans along the way, yet he doesn’t have the added pressure and time constraints of being the headliner. Not to mention that an arena tour like this is probably fairly lucrative for him, all things considered. And let’s face it, he can out-sing Demi by a country mile so that will only make him look even better.

Also, I don’t think this means that David’s music is headed in the bubblegum pop direction either. He has even said himself that he wants the next album to be fun, but have a more mature sound than the last one. It’s all good.

And once again, no where in N. Florida. Tampa gets EVERYTHING! WHY?!

I was thinking the same thing, lol. I’m in North Florida and idol tends to skip us since out population isn’t as large. Oh well I guess I have to go to Tampa. I could go to the Hard Rock to gamble along the way, lol.

I certainly hope the DA fans donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t take the tacky route and leave at the end of his set. It certainly would be a sour grapes move and wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“proveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  DAà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s popularity so much as it will confirm the reputation of AI fans having a total lack of respect and no manners. Archie needs Lovatoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not the other way around, and his fans should approach this concert tour with that mindset.

LOL no sour grapes here, I just don’t want to see a Disney star, sorry and I’m not into Lovato’s music eventhough John Mayer has raved about her. I have done that at many other concerts in the pass, lol. Oh well, if this girl peaks my interest with a song or two then I will stay for her set. If she brings out the corny Miley crap then I’m a goner…………..:)

I love you David A. and I really miss yaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦but I will not be going to the concert. I am heartsick about it but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see myself adding to the coffers of Jive and Disney. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be back on the David bandwagon when this hitch in his career is over. Have fun, Davey, and donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t forget about the fanbase that got you where you are at!

Please don ´t jump off the train just yet.. there is love for you here…

Completely agree, Aladdin.

Not to mention that an arena tour like this is probably fairly lucrative for him

Maybe, maybe not. He probably still owes Jive a ton of money for his album and all the promotion they did (the label does it with the idea they will recoup one way or another), so they are going to tour him until they’ve fully made their money back. Once that happens DA might start making some money himself.

My greatest fear is that if David takes the Disney route he will end up in the same dead end place as the countless others who have ventured down that same road.

I think it’s a stroke of genius. I can see it now. David is the opener. He will be the crowd pleaser. Best voice, more charisma, more shrieks, more buzz. Night after night the reviews will question why Demi is the headliner. Being so much more talented will be they key to this.

If he were opening for someone bigger, there would always be the comparison, he’s not ready yet, not quite comfortable. This is his time to cement the fact that he is the package artist that everyone is looking for. He can sing, his performance skills are growing, he’s got charisma to spare, he a great looking guy. I am not worried about this at all. He just has to do the damn thing.

The only genuine Archie fan in my household is my dear, sweet (“sports . . . not so much”) 11-year-old son. And he loves Demi and Camp Rock, too, so the concert at the Mann Center in June will be the sweetest birthday present ever for him. I plan to enjoy it too (if I can get tix)!

He probably still owes Jive a ton of money for his album and all the promotion they did (the label does it with the idea they will recoup one way or another), so they are going to tour him until theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve fully made their money back.

Actually not. It has been mentioned several times by people in David’s camp that David’s album sales have more than exceeded Jive’s expectations, so considering how frugal Jive has always been in regards to marketing and production, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if David already paid those costs back quite awhile ago. Another thing that pretty much reinforces this notion is the fact that Jive didn’t really bother to push ALTNOY and is already moving at lightning speed on to the next album. There’s zero indication that Jive really cares about recouping the costs of this current album (likely because they just don’t need to).

Awesome bootstar! I hope you get tix and have a great time!

I know we’re talking about tour…but did you guys see the RedFM interview from Asia?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C7YcirLsFo&feature=channel_page

ROFL! about the Guitar Hero commercial…

Maybe, maybe not. He probably still owes Jive a ton of money for his album and all the promotion they did (the label does it with the idea they will recoup one way or another), so they are going to tour him until theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve fully made their money back. Once that happens DA might start making some money himself.

I would be shocked if David didn’t already pay all that down. Jive is frugal–they don’t spend tons and tons of money at the outset, and they get sponsorship for practically everything they do, including music videos. With the merchandising they’ve got going (stuff with his face on it is in stores), the solo tour (Jive will take a cut, regardless of how it was planned), the album sales (Jive doesn’t print more than it can sell; and sometimes I think they print less than they can sell), and the single sales, I honestly don’t see how Jive hasn’t recouped from their upfront investment. One of the biggest complaints among David’s fans is that Jive wasn’t spending a whole lot on promotion. Most of what they did was very organic and reliant on the fan base–street team stuff, posters in high schools, etc.

Biggest indicator that they’ve recouped–they’re putting out a second album sooner rather than later. With Lesley Roy, they’re putting out a 3rd single. Her first didn’t do anything. Her second managed to land in the 30s on CHR. But neither of those singles ever sold many albums for her. So they put out a third single to try and sell more (a Katy Perry-penned tune). They stay in this album era in order to try and get back more of their investment.

Anyway, back on the actual topic–Perez Hilton says he’s going to a show. So LA peeps… be warned. LOL.

That’s exactly the things I’ve heard Aladdin88.

bootstar and Dr. Tracey, That is so sweet! You have lucky kids and I hope you all have the best time!

here is Demi’s Dont Forget from today on Ellen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT0bc9Rifws

In today’s recording industry, record labels are not interested in an artist’s “development”, only in how much money can be made today. An artist is viewed as merely a commodity. This is just the way it is, so it is the artist who really is responsible for planning their future and not something that should be left to the label.

^^ Yay, Ellen is giving away tickets all summer. Ellen pimpage FTW!

Anyway, back on the actual topicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’Perez Hilton says heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to a show. So LA peepsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ be warned. LOL.

But, but, but, I thought this tour would only interest the tweens.

Perez is such a fanboy for Demi and David. It’s quite humorous.

Awesome on Ellen! I wonder if that means another spot on her show for David during the summer? That would be sweet.

perez is such a fanboy… hahaha of both of them.

Archie’s coming back to Arco arena—Awwww yeah!!!! But seriously, with Demi? Yuck. So how much is it going to cost me just to see the opening act?? He better sing for at least an hour or I’m going to be pissed.

awww demis not so bad really

chelley – most of the ticket prices for the concerts on Ticketmaster are between $35 and $50, at least for the concerts that have been posted so far.

Oh and Ellen pimpage FTW! I love how she even made sure Demi said who was touring with her.

I listened to Demi on the Ellen show (youtube posted here) and was pleasantly surprised. Looking forward to my tour date.

You know, froggy, I listened to that Demi performance and actually kind of liked it. Not a bad song and was not what I was expecting at all. Reminded me more of an Avril/Alanis kind of thing.

I think I am going to treat my girls to one of the late august shows in VA, PA, or NJ. A sorta end of the summer, off to college for one of them treat.

I think this is going to go very well for David. I really do.

OK frogcooke, you guilted me into listening to the video clip of Demi on Ellen 8).

Maybe, just maybe, I won’t spend the whole time at the snack bar or the souvenier shop during her set….

Yeah Houston… I was pleasantly surprised this morning listening to her.

awww good to know chelley! Its always good to give people a shot… you never know you might end up liking them.

Thank you frogcooke for the link I was pleasantly surprised with her voice.

Demi was really good on the Ellen show, I liked her! Way to go Ellen for getting the David mention! This tour looks like it’s a big deal, some great venues…can’t wait!

Twitter has been going crazy since last night about David /Demi!

But, but, but, I thought this tour would only interest the tweens.

Perez is such a fanboy for Demi and David. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s quite humorous.

Actually it’s as gross with him as it is with the fawning of the other older fans. We’ll see how long his crush is considered cute after he starts drawing penises and sperm on Archie’s pictures ala Zac Efron and Chace Crawford.

Actually ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s as gross with him as it is with the fawning of the other older fans. Weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll see how long his crush is considered cute after he starts drawing penises and sperm on Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pictures ala Zac Efron and Chace Crawford.

Everything about Perez is gross. If I lived in LA, just knowing he would be in the arena would be enough to keep me away from this concert.

Archie seems like a sweet boy, and I’d hate to see him depicted on Perez’s site in the way Efron is. Just ewww.

http://davidarchuletanetwork.ning.com/profiles/blogs/david-to-tour-with-demi-lovato

dates up on davids site… he’s not doing the XL Center btw..

I am disappointed in this tour because I hoped for a more inclusive career for David, like John Meyer who appeals to all age ranges. he has that kind of talent and potential. I know he’s only 18, but David is famous, and the choices that are made now tells people the path he is on for the future, and I don’t think this path is worthy of his talent. But i will hope it turns out the way he wants it to.

I am disappointed in this tour because I hoped for a more inclusive career for David, like John Meyer who appeals to all age ranges.

As nice as this would be, artists like John Mayer and Jason Mraz DO NOT tour with pure pop artists like David. They tend to tour with artists with similar sounds even if they are not that famous.

Actually ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s as gross with him as it is with the fawning of the other older fans. Weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll see how long his crush is considered cute after he starts drawing penises and sperm on Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pictures ala Zac Efron and Chace Crawford.

Meh. I didn’t say it was “cute,” just funny. BTW, I know how Perez is, but the fact of the matter is that his blog is huge and that means more buzz for David. Even if I don’t agree with Perez’s antics, there’s no denying he helps drive pop culture so the fact that he keeps mentioning David is fine by me. So far he’s been really respectful to David, so unless he does something horrible, whatever. And even if he does post something atrocious, it doesn’t mean I have to subject myself to it.

As nice as this would be, artists like John Mayer and Jason Mraz DO NOT tour with pure pop artists like David. They tend to tour with artists with similar sounds even if they are not that famous.

Exactly and even David himself has said he doesn’t feel like he’s ready to go that direction anyway. He’s having fun experimenting with different sounds right now and there’s nothing wrong with that. Just because he’s touring with Demi this one time doesn’t mean he’s going bubblegum either. Really it seems like he’s had a good mix of different tour types–by himself, with McFly and with Demi. Clearly he’s trying to sell his music to different age groups. What’s wrong with that? I went to a few of the stops on his solo tour and there were tons of people of both genders and different age groups. Frankly I was stunned at the number of guys there and they weren’t dads either. Why does it have to be black and white? David obviously isn’t limiting himself, so why should the fans?

Since David is the opening act, does this mean that is set list will be shorter? If I buy tickets, I want to get my money’s worth, since I’m not a Demi fan.

ilovemj, I was not suggesting John Meyer would have David as an opening act (!!) but that he could emulate artists like him (Mraz is also a good example) for his career path since those are artists he admires.

skylark… he says he has some more maturing to do and isnt quite at that level musically yet.

IMO, David’s appeal is the same, regardless of who he tours with. He’ll sing songs from his album and repertoire, so I have no problem seeing him regardless of who he appears with. I do understand, though, that this headliner may not draw in tons of new adult fans for David (except for the parents who take their kids and like him or folks who had some interest in him already) but some proportion of David’s adult fan base is still on board.

My husband agrees with those who think he should be targeting that more mature crowd — thinks he’s got a great voice — but he can’t argue with the fact that that young demographic is awfully lucrative.

Look, we all love David, but anyone who thinks this tour is not branding him in a way that will make it much more difficult for him to attract a more diverse audience down the line is just not being realistic imo.

Since David is the opening act, does this mean that is set list will be shorter?

Well, yeah, that’s how it works. I’m not sure how many songs an opening act in these Disney shows usually gets.

At 18 it is only logical that Archie will sound like a teen and be marketed to teens. Actually he has a more mature sound right now than a “teen” act. His music is young but not all bubblegum. I am delighted that Archie is getting this exposure and chance to play arenas again. If you count his mini tour of Jingle Balls at the holidays, this will be his third arena tour. Not bad for an 18 year old who was completely unknown a little over a year ago.

I am grabbing a few young relatives and climbing aboard the demi/david concert train. I will be wearing earplugs and will probably be stared at for being the only “grammie” there, but I will enjoy every minute of it.

ETA to add: I have no problem with the Disney relationship. I do not think any less of Jordin Sparks for touring with the Jonas Brothers either.

Look, we all love David, but anyone who thinks this tour is not branding him in a way that will make it much more difficult for him to attract a more diverse audience down the line is just not being realistic imo.

If it makes you feel better, David has said in recent interviews that he will be taking a more mature approach to his second album with a lot more soulful and fun (CHR friendly) songs. If that doesn’t make his older fans happy, then I don’t know what will.

dates up on davids siteà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not doing the XL Center btw..

Strange–he was originally set for that show. Although he does have the San Diego County Fair the day before, so maybe it was a timing issue. Also, his official site lists the fairs (and one of the fairs it lists twice). It looks like they cut and paste from Demi’s myspace. Since I’m not an official website fan, I’m wondering if maybe they aren’t a little off (not the XL Center thing, but the fairs… those were announced before).

ilovemj, I was not suggesting John Meyer would have David as an opening act (!!) but that he could emulate artists like him (Mraz is also a good example) for his career path since those are artists he admires.

When he’s ready to do that, he’ll try. He’s not ready. And the Disney branding doesn’t matter as much as some people seem to believe. Even Demi is getting a lot of respect in the industry now, it seems. Certainly the JoBros are.

frogcooke, yes you are right I see that he did say this. So I guess it’s the best decision for him at this point but I am still disappointed they couldn’t figure out a compromise like opening for Natasha B or someone more mainstream pop.

So I guess ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the best decision for him at this point but I am still disappointed they couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t figure out a compromise like opening for Natasha B or someone more mainstream pop.

Natasha opened for New Kids On The Block. I love her, and she’s had a couple of really big hits (and a few flops as well), but she doesn’t pull in large crowds on her own yet. The older demo got taken care of on David’s solo tour. Doing a tour with somebody like Natasha would essentially be the same type of tour targeting the same demographic. That’s not what they’re going for this summer. This summer it’s about the kids.

So I guess ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the best decision for him at this point but I am still disappointed they couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t figure out a compromise like opening for Natasha B or someone more mainstream pop.

I’m not sure there are many mainstream pop artists touring this summer that he could partner up with. I have gone around and around on that one.

We don’t know what’s coming in the not-so-distant future for David. He has toured almost constantly since Idol, so it could be that after the McFly spring and Demi Lovato summer tours, something else will happen. (Honestly, does the boy ever sleep?)

I know that some are worried about a Disney ‘image’ — but he seems to be really mixing it up. He did the Jingle Jam concerts (for decidedly mixed crowds,) followed that with a solo tour for his own fan base, then made a couple of Asian tour stops, where he got great publicity. His crowds at all of these events may have been heavily populated by young girls, but other groups were represented. Next up: the McFly and Lovato tours, and those would seem to attract different demographics.

Who knows what’s next. I’m having fun being his fan, and how cool is it that I get to take my daughters to a concert that we all want to see?

The Omaha World-Herald points out that David and Demi are playing the Qwest Center soon after The Jonas Brothers.

If I had a kid who wanted to go to the Jonas Brothers/Jordin Sparks and sit in the cheapest seats for $27.50, then wanted to go to Demi /David five weeks later and sit in the cheapest seats for $39.50… I would say “Hell no. Quit gold-digging me, you ungrateful little brat! You’ll probably expect me to buy you something to drink as well.” No, that’s wrong… I would say “I’m sorry, precious. That’s extravagant. Pick one.”

It has been mentioned several times by people in Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s camp that Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album sales have more than exceeded Jiveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s expectations

Yeah, because people in David’s camp would totally say the opposite.
Jive pushed the second single and they put money on it, if flopped so it’s wasted money. Plus, all the promo he does, visiting radio stations, going to UK where he won’t make any money, even this tour, opening acts don’t really get much… it’s money coming from the label.
I don’t know if he still owes or not, but to say that David doesn’t get much promo or that his single wasn’t pushed is really making fun of those who do not get good or any promo.

Thank you all for indulging my David tour angst. You are all very cool.

Kathy actually I dont think he does sleep… he said he’d rather travel than sleep HAHA

The Omaha World-Herald points out that David and Demi are playing the Qwest Center soon after The Jonas Brothers.

Yes, I know. I mentioned this in the comments in a headline thread awhile back. Some of their tour dates are colliding with the JoBros tour. But they’re not that close together on this one–over a month later for Demi. I think if a kid wanted to go to both, a lot of parents would shell out dough since the time frame isn’t all that close. The ticket prices for Demi are preliminary. There may be cheaper ones available when they actually go on sale.

I don’t think Hollywood/Jive expects Demi/David to sell out the arenas (the JoBros aren’t selling out all the arenas), but even if they can get them 1/2 to 3/4 full on the bigger ones, they’ll be pretty golden, profit-wise.

Kathy actually I dont think he does sleepà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ he said heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d rather travel than sleep HAHA

His bandmates said he was always the last one up on the tour bus, too. I don’t even think he drinks caffeine.

Jive pushed the second single and they put money on it, if flopped so ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wasted money. Plus, all the promo he does, visiting radio stations, going to UK where he wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make any money, even this tour, opening acts donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really get muchà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s money coming from the label.

Do you have inside sources, or are you an insider to know all of this? I am just curious.

Another good thing about this is that if they sell well I think people will also attribute that to David. I don’t think people believe Demi can sell these arenas by herself, so It will look really good for David, I think.

love this blurb in access hollywood, and the scrolling images of stars on the left hand side of the page…. nice to see david in this group of pop heavyweights – and it’s that way all over the media today with the onslaught of press release about this tour….

i’m not angsting, i’m not fretting or sweating anything about david archuleta’s future…….. this kind of buzz and positive publicity is worth its weight in gold, and will pay future dividends that will be beneficial for david….. david is no lightweight in the talent department, so i’m not worrying about his ability to attract new fans, retain the ones he has, produce more albums in the style he wants that will sell well in the mainstream, and do plenty of future tours with whomever he pleases…i say ‘way to go david’, enjoy every second of this stage in your journey, hope to see you a few places on the tour’…

http://www.accesshollywood.com/roll-call-beyonce-all-atwitter-over-twitter_article_16743

I’ll never say that the David A. choices are wrong … but I find them a little strange for someone that once said they wanted to be a “serious” artist. I’m just saying that I hope he survives the choices being made for him because I find them a bit disconcerting. Unless he finds a way to pull me back into the fold in a very short time frame I will move on, no matter how much I love the guy.

I endure enough grief from my friends, family and colleagues about AI without having to shoulder the “looks” if I were to take myself to a Disney sponsored teen/tween concert.

Do you have inside sources, or are you an insider to know all of this? I am just curious.

One doesn’t have to be a insider to know those things. David did a good number of radio concerts in December when the single was out, as far as I know he doesn’t get paid for those, it’s from his(label) pocket. Jive had banners for the song when it went for adds and last month (or february). Those ads are not for free and are not given. The Mediabase ones are known to be the most expensive, actually. He had the music video. He visited more station before he went on tour. The single flopped, also known.
The UK part, he’s going to open for a band that will play medium/small venues. Opening acts don’t make much, it serves as promo for them. Going to UK is not free. Probably going to get more from opening for Demi, but still, he’s still the opening act.
It just really makes me laugh when I read he doesn’t have much promo or the label hasn’t pushed things.

I endure enough grief from my friends, family and colleagues about AI without having to shoulder the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“looksà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  if I were to take myself to a Disney sponsored teen/tween concert.

No one said that you had to go to this tour. The solo tour was done so that older fans would have the chance to see him live without the embarassment of going to a Demi Lovato concert. It’s the younger fan’s turn to see him now. David has a wide range of fans ranging from tweens to college students to adults. He can’t always focus on one specific demographic at the risk of alienating others.

Besides, David himself has said that the second album will be more mature with soulful and fun (radio friendly) songs. How’s that not heading in a serious direction?

His bandmates said he was always the last one up on the tour bus, too. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even think he drinks caffeine.

I do belive he also said he acts drunk at night HAHAHA even though he obviously doesnt drink..

I think he has alot of energy… more than a few times ive seen people say he’s hyper.. lol Which is kinda funny to imagine..

Yeah, because people in Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s camp would totally say the opposite.
Jive pushed the second single and they put money on it, if flopped so ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wasted money. Plus, all the promo he does, visiting radio stations, going to UK where he wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make any money, even this tour, opening acts donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really get muchà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s money coming from the label.
I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know if he still owes or not, but to say that David doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get much promo or that his single wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t pushed is really making fun of those who do not get good or any promo.

Uh, no again. Jive didn’t push the second single very much. Sure there were a couple of Mediabase ads, but there wasn’t much radio push at all. In fact, there were even station PDs who specifically said the label never pushed ALTNOY. The fans certainly saw this to be true. Jive did one Mediabase ad and then didn’t move on the song for nearly 2 months after the add date…when we got…another Mediabase ad (LOL). It was frustrating because it became quite clear Jive was expecting the fans to do the work to promote the song via “street teams.”

Also, to correct your misconception about the station visits–he didn’t do that many of them and the ones he did do were to promote his solo tour, not ALTNOY. I do know that David had to pay for his own solo tour…again, not Jive’s responsibility.

I never said that David’s not getting any promo–my point is that most of what’s been happening hasn’t been of Jive’s doing. The only thing that Jive’s done lately is sponsor the Asia trip, but just to further reinforce the point of how Jive operates, that was even stripped down, too (e.g. no band). Why else do you think that Jeff didn’t go along with him? LOLOLOL.

^^Ah, Tess, that is tough. For the solo tour, some of David’s adult fans met and attended together. Heck of a lot of fun, and a benefit of being an adult fan. For this Lovato tour, my daughters want to go with me (couldn’t go to the solo tour because it was on a school night and out of town.) We will also meet some of my adult fan friends, some of whom will also be attending with their kids.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll never say that the David A. choices are wrong à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ but I find them a little strange for someone that once said they wanted to be a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“seriousà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  artist

Archie has said in many interviews that he is young and loves pop music. He has specifically mentioned that he thought his Idol sound was too mature. I appreciate the young Archie and his more mature music and am excited to watch him grow and develop. I never imagined (no pun intended) him to come off of AI and sing songs in the style of Longer or Another Day in Paradise simply because of his youth. I also think he is a serious artist, a serious artist who makes pop music. One does not negate the other.

I never said that Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not getting any promoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’my point is that most of whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been happening hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t been of Jiveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s doing. The only thing that Jiveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s done lately is sponsor the Asia trip, but just to further reinforce the point of how Jive operates, that was even stripped down (e.g. no band), too. Why else do you think that Jeff didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t go along with him? LOLOLOL.

Jive is responsible for the UK tour and the Demi tour, as well. But yeah, not the solo tour. And that’s not unusual for a new artist to back his own tour the first (few) times around.

Jive is frugal–they do things differently and it’s frustrating sometimes. But if he continues to make money for them I suspect their level of promotion will get better as time goes on. I think it would be naive to think that record labels are altruistic–they’re out to make a profit. If they think they can do that without spending a whole lot, then that’s what they’ll do. Since they didn’t push ALTNOY, I suspect they already recouped and profited from David’s album at that point. I wish they had pushed it, but whatever, they didn’t. I was just talking about Rihanna in another post, and the 3rd single off her second album also flopped (i.e., failed to chart on the Billboard Hot 100), and this was after 2 huge hits. I can see a scenario there where her label didn’t push as hard as they probably should have.

This was at snarkys.

note #3: for ye who are expecting this to just be a teeny set, a la the jingle balls or idol, fear not! he’ll get about 10 songs. i think that is worth it.

So i guess somewhere around 10 songs maybe a few less? or more?

So i guess somewhere around 10 songs maybe a few less?

Or a few more? lol. If they’re saying about 10, I suspect it’s actually 10. I hope he cuts out the covers, honestly.

note #3: for ye who are expecting this to just be a teeny set, a la the jingle balls or idol, fear not! heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll get about 10 songs. i think that is worth it.

That is great news.

Going back to the tour news for Archie and some consternation on “going Disney” and losing mature fans or making teeny bopper music, I want to add that if Cook would perform at a college near me and I could purchase a ticket as a non-student, I would attend that concert also and not worry a whit that Cook had gone all “collegey” with his image and his music and i didn’t fit in anymore.

Jive is responsible for the UK tour and the Demi tour, as well. But yeah, not the solo tour. And thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not unusual for a new artist to back his own tour the first (few) times around.

Yes, the Demi tour (and most likely the UK tour) will be Jive’s responsibility, but even at that, there’s been no indication that David hasn’t already recouped the cost of producing and marketing the album here in the U.S. IMO, that’s the whole point of Jive skipping a third single and moving onto the next album. I loved your Lesley Roy example because I think that is exactly the situation David would be in had the album not sold as well as it did–Jive would be throwing songs out there in the hopes that they could generate more sales somehow, not scrapping the album altogether hoping that the next one would recover the costs of the first one. That would be stupid. It would make more sense for Jive to just drop him after the first album, if that were really the case. Instead, they’re exercising their 2nd album option. That’s a good sign to me.

But if he continues to make money for them I suspect their level of promotion will get better as time goes on.

OK, so Crush was a big hit, ergo they should have upped the promotion level for the next single, all things considered. They appearantly didn’t, or at least that’s your claim.

Since they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t push ALTNOY, I suspect they already recouped and profited from Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album at that point.

I’m sorry, that doesn’t make sense to me. What you’re saying, in other words, is that ALTNOY flopping proves the album made a profit?
Nobody knows how much Jive put into promoting ALTNOY because 2nd singles get mainly behind-the-scenes promo (at most we can see adds at radio directed sites, which ALTNOY had). The only reason to say ALTNOY wasn’t promoted is because since ALTNOY didn’t do well, it’s easier to blame promo than the song itself.

I think the causality is backwards, I find it much more easy to believe that ALTNOY flopping led Jive to decide the album had no more viable hits and that moving on was the most cost-effective option, than the other way around (Jive let ALTNOY flop because it was done with the album anyway).

Tess just curious did you end up going o the solo tour David did? I know I didnt end up getting to go… sadly.

well either reason for the second album… im still excited aboout getting new music! regardless of why they decided etc etc.

I think the causality is backwards, I find it much more easy to believe that ALTNOY flopping led Jive to decide the album had no more viable hits and that moving on was the most cost-effective option, than the other way around (Jive let ALTNOY flop because it was done with the album anyway).

That could be. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jive didn’t think any more of the songs were hit-worthy, especially given how wretched Top 40 has become in the past six months. I just don’t buy that Jive still has money to recover from the promo and production of this first album. If David hadn’t paid back that money, it wouldn’t make any sense for Jive to spend even more money to promote the album overseas (hence, the McFly tour, Asian tour, etc.). That would only incur further debt on top of already existing debt. Plus, they wouldn’t invest in another album, hoping that it would do better. They’d just cut their losses and drop him altogether.

well either reason for the second albumà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ im still excited aboout getting new music! regardless of why they decided etc etc.

New music ftw! I’m really looking forward to more David penned songs. Hopefully he gets some better writers and producers this time around. *excited*

Well I hope this tour will bring him more fans and more sales. I’m thinking maybe it isn’t a bad idea to do the teen/tween route for now since that is where the money is. Archie will have millions of girls swooning over him and they will go home and beg their parents to buy his album.

It’s all good, I thought Archie’s second album was going to be an X-Mas album? I guess not. Anyway I think Archie did mention awhile back that the contract with Jive is at least two albums so Jive can’t drop him yet. I don’t think they will because like Jordin, Archie is going to get better and grow as an artist. Jive doesn’t give up on artist that easily. I think ALTNOY flop because it took too long for it to be released and Z100 took too long to add it. Plus “Crush” was such a big success. Oh well, it could still bounce back, maybe? I still think they should release a third single like “Barriers”, they don’t have to do a video. I like how Cook’s team is releasing two singles at once.

Jive is probably thinking since the fans love “Zero Gravity” so much that they need to record a new album and get it out ASAP. They could release a whole new album with all of his bonus tracks. Who knows what they are trying to do, at least they haven’t given up on him yet, that is all that matters. I will embrace Disney if it brings more album sales for Archie.

I find it much more easy to believe that ALTNOY flopping led Jive to decide the album had no more viable hits and that moving on was the most cost-effective option, than the other way around (Jive let ALTNOY flop because it was done with the album anyway).

I know nothing about the business side of music so I try to read all of these posts carefully. I did not see anyone say Jive “let” altnoy flop. The posts seem to say Jive put altnoy out there and didn’t push it so hard because they had already recouped their money and they didn’t want to spend any more. They put altnoy out there and if it hit on it’s own all the better, if not, move on. At least that is how I am reading the posts.

I do agree that although I enjoy Archie’s first album, it doesn’t seem to have much on it that would fit into today’s top 40 sound. Top 40 radio has changed so much since last summer. I can hear that as a casual listener.

Plus, they wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t invest in another album, hoping that it would do better. Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d just cut their losses and drop him altogether.

I thought Archie had a 3 album deal.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sorry, that doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make sense to me. What youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re saying, in other words, is that ALTNOY flopping proves the album made a profit?
Nobody knows how much Jive put into promoting ALTNOY because 2nd singles get mainly behind-the-scenes promo (at most we can see adds at radio directed sites, which ALTNOY had). The only reason to say ALTNOY wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t promoted is because since ALTNOY didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do well, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s easier to blame promo than the song itself.

It makes a lot of sense to me. Look, I’m not saying I’m happy that Jive didn’t do all they could for the song, but I watched what they did a lot closer than the people who aren’t fans. I saw how much they put into it, I heard what the PDs said about the song. It wasn’t the song. The song was winning challenges left and right, the song got a really good HitPredictor score. And if you listen to CHR you’ll notice that quality doesn’t equal what hits. A song can be the most hideous thing in the creation of Earth, but if the label pushes it hard enough, and the artist or song has enough buzz, it’ll climb the charts.

Fans started contacting PDs last month. PDs, not DJs. The PDs kept telling them the label just wasn’t pushing it all that hard. One PD even said that it’s not as simple as, “hey, this song is great, let’s play it.” In fact, even back in January PDs were saying that Jive hadn’t pushed the song to them yet. At the time I thought, oh, they’re just waiting for something. Guess what? They weren’t. Apparently, they were going to see what it could do on its own; if it did something, great, if not, oh well.

Almost any song with the right amount of push can climb. It’s the rare song that will get by solely because of fan push, like “I’m Yours,” which literally took years to hit. Granted, some artists have an easier time of it than others because they are established, or they’re really buzzed about at the moment, but even new artists can go far if their label works hard enough. But that costs money, and time, and effort. Why Jive didn’t want to invest that money, time and effort is just speculation because none of us work for Jive.

But if Jive hadn’t recouped its money off the album by the time ALTNOY was released, wouldn’t it make a whole lot of sense for them to try and push a lot harder? The time, money and effort would have been a lot more worth it. It really wouldn’t make sense to scrap his first album and attempt to recoup on the first and the second via sales of the second album. That’s not good business no matter how you look at it.

I thought Archie had a 3 album deal.

Jive had an option for a second and third album. They didn’t have to make any more after this one, but they are. We know what happens when artists don’t recoup costs–they don’t get additional albums. David is getting another one or two, and he’s getting them off the back of one hit. That means that one hit did absolutely enough to get him there.

Let’s not forget…the Archuleta/Lovato concert this summer will also coincide with the timing of the (gasp!) American Idols tour! My money is on going to the Archuleta one (No Megan or Allison!). I am taking the whole family.

I thought Archie had a 3 album deal.

No, he doesn’t. The only guarantee was the first album. Jive had the option for an additional 2 albums. They’re exercising that option for the next one.

Letà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not forgetà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦the Archuleta/Lovato concert this summer will also coincide with the timing of the (gasp!) American Idols tour! My money is on going to the Archuleta one (No Megan or Allison!). I am taking the whole family.

LOL your right, I didn’t think of that. Yeah the only person I want to see from this group live is Adam so I guess I might have to wait for his solo tour and just watch the vids on youtube. I really don’t really care for the rest of the top 10.

^^ I would be shocked if this year’s AI tour did as well as last year’s tour. There are far fewer “must see” contestants.

My understanding of contracts is exactly that: that the label has the option of picking up another album (or two,) not that they must. So the news that he is working on another album is good.

he has a nice break after the UK tour and before the summer tour…time to work on the album!

OK, so ALTNOY flopped because Jive didn’t push it, because Jive didn’t care how it did (after making a music video and sponsoring two mediabase ads). It was a total throwaway single as far as they were concerened, left to sink or swim on it’s own, no matter how it completely fizzled David’s momentum on CHR radio and cost him months of lost album/single sales. And no 3rd single, obviously, because Jive doesn’t want to make anymore money off this album.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I’m sold.

OMG the tour is gonna flop this year

OK, so ALTNOY flopped because Jive didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t push it, because Jive didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care how it did (after making a music video and sponsoring two mediabase ads). It was a total throwaway single as far as they were concerened, left to sink or swim on ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s own, no matter how it completely fizzled Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s momentum on CHR radio and cost him months of lost album/single sales. And no 3rd single, obviously, because Jive doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to make anymore money off this album.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sold.

ooooooh sarcasm? :biggrin_wp:

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sold.

It’s nice to see all the intelligent posts in this thread and I, like you Jolene, learn a lot and appreciate the posters here.

I don’t think Jive is ready to give up on Archie’s current album yet. They just want Archie to build new fans on his own. Maybe they don’t want to spend the money pushing the radio stations to play the song, who knows? I think the AI appearance will give him a big push as far as sales. I would think they would like this album to reach at least the 1 mil mark. Ok maybe that’s me, lol. I hope the summer tour will get the album the sales it needs. Regardless Archie’s career is doing pretty well considering he was the runner-up. The runner-ups usually don’t do too well on sales except for Clay of course. I hope more people will pick up Archie’s album, it is quite good. Hey as a fan, I don’t mind a second album at all but I don’t want Jive to give up on his first album so soon, it still has potential.

Back on topic, lol, I think this tour with Demi will be good for Archie regardless if some fans disapprove. I know I will probably try to sneak out when Archie is done but I may stay to see Demi. Yay for at least 10 songs. I agree with Soundscene, no more covers. I want all Archie songs.

Does anyone know what he’ll be singing next week on AI? That will be helpful in understanding the plan for the existing CD.

Nobody said Jive didn’t care about ALTNOY. They, for whatever reason, didn’t push it on radio. Could have been because they saw how CHR changed and didn’t want spend the money to push something they knew wasn’t going to fit. Could have been because they got what they wanted out of the first album and wanted to move on. Who knows? Who really cares?

And of course they’re not going to release a 3rd single. They’ve already made their mind up to move on to the next album. No sense in having an old single hanging out on radio when it comes time to release a lead single for the next one.

Anyway, this thread has moved off-topic. I’m just glad that David’s part of a tour that generating a lot of good buzz in the media. Even if he’s not on radio at the moment, he’s still keeping in the public eye in a pretty big way by touring with a Disney star until he can get back on radio.

ETA: I rescind my comment that they wouldn’t release a 3rd single. Maybe they will. I’m just speculating. There just aren’t any indications that one will be released. Otherwise, we would have likely heard something by now.

Sue I’m sure it will inch its way to platinum.. slowly.. lol even jordins got there eventually

ETA: skylark, I think he’s singing ALTNOY at least all indicators point to that

OK, so ALTNOY flopped because Jive didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t push it, because Jive didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care how it did (after making a music video and sponsoring two mediabase ads). It was a total throwaway single as far as they were concerened, left to sink or swim on ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s own, no matter how it completely fizzled Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s momentum on CHR radio and cost him months of lost album/single sales. And no 3rd single, obviously, because Jive doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to make anymore money off this album.

Nobody said Jive didn’t care. Nobody said they didn’t push it at all. They pushed it some. Just not a whole lot. General business theory: the cost/outcome balance. Is the cost worth the benefits you’ll receive from the outcome? If there are benefits to be had from an action, but they don’t outweigh the costs you’ll have to endure, then business theory says, you don’t do that action.

If Jive weighed the benefits of a hard sell of ALTNOY with the costs they would have to endure in making that hard sell, and determined that the benefits weren’t worth the outcome, they don’t do the hard sell. While a hard sell could have produced a hit, I think it would have to be a hard sell, not a soft sell, not a little sell. ALTNOY is different than what is being played on CHR right now. So, while a hard sell could have gotten it top 20, I doubt it could have gone much further, not with the dancy, uptempo CHR being the way it is.

To give an example of a hard sell song–”The Climb” by Miley Cyrus. When Z100 and KIIS picked it up right away, chart watchers were perplexed and confused. It sounded nothing like the other songs getting picked up, and KIIS is a rhythmic-leaning CHR. It was weird (especially since her previous single didn’t even go top 50 on CHR). Obviously, Hollywood put a hard sell on the song. But the song being what it is peaked in the 20s, even after a huge bullet start. Hollywood apparently stopped the hard sell when the Hannah Montana movie came out. They achieved their goal; they weren’t going to expend more resources if they didn’t think additional airplay would benefit them enough to make up for the expense.

What I never bought was this whole “momentum” stuff. Artists lose momentum between albums no matter what. If the label picks back up and does the sell for the next album and next single it’s not going to matter where ALTNOY charted.

Does anyone know what heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be singing next week on AI? That will be helpful in understanding the plan for the existing CD.

99% sure it’s ALTNOY. He doesn’t really have a current single, so my guess is they just want it to chart on the Hot 100. The goal would be to promote David and to sell a few more albums, not necessarily to promote a single.

I have no problem with the tour. It’s not the be all and end all of his life, IMO.

If Jive weighed the benefits of a hard sell of ALTNOY with the costs they would have to endure in making that hard sell, and determined that the benefits werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t worth the outcome, they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do the hard sell. While a hard sell could have produced a hit, I think it would have to be a hard sell, not a soft sell, not a little sell. ALTNOY is different than what is being played on CHR right now. So, while a hard sell could have gotten it top 20, I doubt it could have gone much further, not with the dancy, uptempo CHR being the way it is.

Okay, so are you saying that Jive did projections and determined that the sales of the ALTNOY single, and the increased revenue from sales of the album generated by the single, would not have been enough to cover the costs of promoting the song? How much more does it cost to promote a song over and above a video and 2 mediabase ads? It just seems… I don’t know. Like they would have already spent a lot of money, how much more could it possibly be to have staff members make phone calls? And set up some phone interviews? That’s the part that’s leaving me confused.

Okay, so are you saying that Jive did projections and determined that the sales of the ALTNOY single, and the increased revenue from sales of the album generated by the single, would not have been enough to cover the costs of promoting the song? How much more does it cost to promote a song over and above a video and 2 mediabase ads? It just seemsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know. Like they would have already spent a lot of money, how much more could it possibly be to have staff members make phone calls? And set up some phone interviews? Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the part thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s leaving me confused.

Jive is a business, first and foremost. I’m not sure if they printed out spreadsheets, but they’ve been doing this kind of stuff for a loooooooong time. One would think that as a whole they’re pretty knowledgeable when it comes to weighing costs and benefits.

Whenever they have somebody working on pushing a single, that’s time and money spent. Because that person could be doing something else. Whenever they send David out specifically to promote a single, that’s time and money spent. It’s not so simple as just setting up interviews or making a phone call sometimes–a lot of people are involved. People who need to be paid, whose job is more than just making phone calls. Flights that need to be booked, hotels that need to be reserved. It adds up.

I’m looking at it from a “this is how a logical business is run” standpoint. It’s all speculation. I wish they had pushed harder, so I’m not making excuses for them. I’m just saying that if they were doing a cost/benefit analysis and the costs came out on the greater side, then that could be why.

Truth is, Jive didn’t push ALTNOY all that much for reasons I don’t know why. Even the radio PDs said that the label wasn’t pushing it..so why argue against that? Mediabase ads effect is small cuz avg music listeners don’t see it. From the charts, ALTNOY only has a total audience impression of 4 mil. I would be surprised if it didn’t flop. The AI performance will definitely get more ppl to hear it but it may be a little too late.

I think Jive is definitely being frugal here. I heard they didn’t let Jeff or his band go to Asia with David b/c I’m guessing to plane costs. I’m guessing this opening up for Demi was also to cut costs otherwise they could’ve gone with a co-headliner. I <3 Jive.

Thanks,i will be happy to see him sing ALTNOY. Not enough people have had a chance to hear it imo.

I think this will be great for Archie’s career. Given his schedule I don’t see when he will be recording a new album, unless it’s next fall?

I’m confused by the discussion on ALTNOY (which I’ve never heard and don’t even know what the letters stand for). It sounds like they put out single number 2, promoted it like labels do, and it didn’t do well so they decided to cut their losses. Not every single can be a winner. And maybe they researched the other songs on the CD and found they likely wouldn’t be winners in today’s top 40/HAC either.

But this tour shows that they still have a lot of faith in his chances to be a successful, marketable singer.

my eyes hurt…

just fyi…my 14 year old sister thinks Archie is annoying. and she just found his CD i haven’t pushed on her… she likes Barriers, ha!

and she likes Demi Lovato so…hmmm Reliant Arena here we come, lol.

No no, I know the staff costs money. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying there was a video and 2 media base adds – that is expensive. While staff members working the song costs money, is it really so much more than was already spent that it had very little chance of being recouped through album and single sales that result from a top 20 pop song? He had a big hit so even a moderate second song would have driven some sales his way. And radio interviews do not have to involve hotels… dude was on the road touring anyway, most would have been phone interviews.

All I am saying is that is seems odd to think they would go in the hole as much as they did… that 2nd mediabase add was late in the game too.. and then suddenly pull the plug when they were almost all the way there. It just seems weird. If they weren’t pushing it from JANUARY, why would they take out expensive adds? I mean, a second one?

Maybe they only pushed some stations and not others? Maybe management pushed for the release and Jive decided not to support it? I can’t wrap my head around the idea that a major label would spend all that cash and then leave it up to chance essentially. Then why bother making a video in the first place? That makes no business sense to me. I’m really trying to get it here.

I think this will be great for Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career. Given his schedule I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see when he will be recording a new album, unless ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s next fall?

Well, he recorded his last album during a tour. At least this time around they got started on writing it a lot sooner (David is writing, people are writing for David). The toughest part is choosing the songs to record. David doesn’t really take much time in the studio.

Soundscene, I so admire your patience and your logic. That is all.

Well, if you’re right, Soundscene, that’s a little troubling, because if Jive truly cut this era at the knees with ALTNOY simply to avoid further investment, after the hit Crush was, what’s going to change to make them invest properly in his next album/single?

Jive had an option for a second and third album. They didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have to make any more after this one, but they are.

I was just curious how everyone knows the exact detail of the contract? Have people read it or have copies of it? I understand that a lot of previous idol contracts were like that, but does that guarantee that Archie’s is the exact same contract?

I hope he comes out with better stuff, this go round. Because however talented he is, a middling second album is not exactly what he needs.

All I am saying is that is seems odd to think they would go in the hole as much as they didà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ that 2nd mediabase add was late in the game too.. and then suddenly pull the plug when they were almost all the way there. It just seems weird. If they werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t pushing it from JANUARY, why would they take out expensive adds? I mean, a second one?

I’m not sure the mediabase ads are super duper expensive, relatively speaking. And Jive always gets sponsors for its videos–the camera in the video was product placement. The cars in Crush were product placement. Like I said, Jive did push it some–it gave it a “soft sell” it seems. Just not a lot.

I don’t know why they did what they did–just that it seems like they did it. Since logical business sense indicates they figured the cost wasn’t worth the benefit, that’s what I’m assuming they figured. I would have to sit in on a meeting at Jive to understand exactly why they would think that. There may be factors at work that we know absolutely nothing about.

The stations that played ALTNOY were the same stations that play a lot of songs early–more independent-minded stations. If you follow adds for awhile you’ll see these same stations jump on a lot of the new songs. They seem to add them, play them a bit, and then cut back if other stations aren’t also jumping. So, no, I don’t think Jive was specifically pushing hard to those stations only. Those stations added the song on their own.

Well, if youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re right, Soundscene, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a little troubling, because if Jive truly cut this era at the knees with ALTNOY simply to avoid further investment, after the hit Crush was, whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to change to make them invest properly in his next album/single?

They didn’t cut the era at its knees if they got enough out of it. That was how this conversation started–did Jive recoup its cost, plus make a tidy profit? A bunch of us said it did and provided indicators as to why we thought that.

And you can make the same argument for almost any unsuccessful single. Why didn’t the label put a harder sell on this single? Why didn’t they invest more this time around? Maybe that means they just don’t care? If they thought a second album for David would cost more than it will benefit them, they wouldn’t do it. They don’t have to do it; they can drop him. They’re not. Obviously this last era did Jive just fine.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m confused by the discussion on ALTNOY (which Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve never heard and donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even know what the letters stand for). It sounds like they put out single number 2, promoted it like labels do, and it didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do well so they decided to cut their losses. Not every single can be a winner. And maybe they researched the other songs on the CD and found they likely wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be winners in todayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s top 40/HAC either.

ALTNOY is “A Little Too Not Over You” although I prefer to call it “the invisible single.” The promo was honestly terrible. I think those of us in the Idol bubble think it’s been pushed a lot more than it was because we’ve kept a close eye on it, but it Jive really didn’t make much of an effort. I’m not making excuses for it’s lack of success, though; I don’t think it was a good choice for the second single at all. I doubt it would have done much better outside of Radio Disney even with more promo.

One last thing and then I’m done with this thread because I have nothing more to say about the tour, but I see people keep bringing up the ALTNOY music video as evidence of Jive’s promotion. Well, truth be told, Jive didn’t do much with it and nobody outside of YouTube really saw it. It went up on iTunes with no promotion at all and then Vh-1 (pretty much the only major place to expose it) never played it once, despite the fact that people were requesting it be added to the playlist.

A big reason for Vh-1 not playing it was because the song hadn’t charted high enough on HAC. And the song very well could have charted because it definitely fit that format even more than CHR (given the state it’s in), but surprise, SURPRISE, Jive even pulled the HAC add date for some inexplicable reason, LOL. If Jive was so serious about pushing the ALTNOY music video in the hopes it would generate more album sales, why pull the add date for HAC, essentially ensuring hardly anyone would ever see the video at all? Again, I’m not saying that Jive didn’t care about the song, but truthfully, they certainly didn’t do much to push it, even if they did film the music video (which BTW, was filmed early in December before the song even went for adds on radio). Things change and we’ll never know the reasons why.

We don’t know Jive’s thinking. We can only speculate. One thing I’m thinking here today is that David gets talked about. All these people — fans or not — spent a whole lot of time here, debating on his tour, his album and his future.

I can think of other ex-Idol contestants who might like to think so many were so worried about them. (And no, I’m not talking specifics. I’m talking a lot of others, in general.)

Truth is, Jive didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t push ALTNOY all that much for reasons I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know why.

That’s probably the truth for people who would rather believe the song flopped for lack of promo than because radio just rejected it.
We saw the label pushing it. More than what they did only if there was payola involved and that’s illegal.
It’s just like when Jive tried to push Crush a bit more, maybe to hit top 10 and it never did. Sometimes not even the best push will make it, and this is the case.
As for PD’s saying the label didn’t push it, that’s their crap talk. They won’t say to fans that they refuse to play a single, they have to make excuses. If they know the single exists nothing is stopping them from play it. I can tell you they said the same to Cook fans, and it was a lie too. They tell fans what fans want to hear and what won’t make fans turn off that station, not the truth.

I don’t see anything in common between David and Leslie. She’s an unknown, it’s better to push singles than to record a new album because she doesn’t have a fanbase whatsoever. David has a fanbase, and Jive will try to make the most money out of that fanbase. His fanbase won’t grow cause he’s not getting airplay, so the best way to make money is to release a new album so that same fanbase will buy it again, that’s a given. It’s safer, it does not mean they’ve already made all the money they wanted. Just means it’s the best way to make money at this point.

They didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t cut the era at its knees if they got enough out of it. That was how this conversation startedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’did Jive recoup its cost, plus make a tidy profit?

Rush releasing a 2nd album after only giving the 1st one two singles is cutting an era short. I still remember you yourself saying there was no way David wasn’t getting a 3rd single, when people questioned it a few months ago. Of course, that was before a 3rd single became the mark of a non-successful album (see Leslie Roy).

And since when is “getting enough out of it” a successful business model? A label aspires to make as much as it possibly can, to get the maximum return for its investment. Saying Jive made “enough” money already and that’s why they’re moving on (when the album didn’t even make the commonly regarded recoupment mark of 1M) only works in spin mode.

All I’m saying is that they may have decided the album has no more CHR friendly singles, and so it’s better to move on to something that could sell better. I don’t think that’s a wild idea…

From a strategic standpoint I think touring with Demi Lovato is a good idea. He can get more tween fans while his album is more pop and profit from that. I hope his second album will be more of the style I think David wants to pursue (similar to Jason Mraz, Sara Barellis, John Mayer, etc…) Next summer he could tour with one of those artists and get their fans too.

I really dont want him to rush a new album even though i want to hear new music. Before his debut album was released, David and the other writers recorded a bunch of songs and gave them to Jive, but Jive only kept a couple of them because it was really close to the deadline of picking the final songs for the album. “Zero Gravity” was one of the songs jive dismissed. David and his team should spend more time picking songs that could be released as radio singles as well as make a good album instead of rushing this second album.

(I heard Crush on the Radio in the apple store today)

Im excited for San Jose (july 11)!!!!!!! I hope David gets to sing more than 10 songs though!

We donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know Jiveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s thinking. We can only speculate. One thing Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m thinking here today is that David gets talked about. All these people à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  fans or not à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  spent a whole lot of time here, debating on his tour, his album and his future.

I can think of other ex-Idol contestants who might like to think so many were so worried about them. (And no, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not talking specifics. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m talking a lot of others, in general.)

:kiss_tb:

When the album didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even make the commonly regarded recoupment mark of 1M

And how do you know that’s Jive’s recoupment mark exactly? LOL

well anyways.. theres a ton of articles on google news search alone.. about the tour.. let alone blogs..

Someone better tell T-Pain he didnt hit the recoupment mark…..

I feel like we’re at the brink of fanbase implosion. The single flopped, the album is over, he got a bad touring gig, he’s going for the tweenie boppers, his popularity is fast delicing, his album sales are in the pits. This is the beginning of the end. Some have already jumped ship, clearly seeing the warning signs. Archie’s career has taken a downturn. He’s headed for the ranks of Blake and Taylor. It’s like watching a bunch of desperate sailors hold on to a sinking ship.

I’m so sentimental. But it’s so clear to me. It’s staggering how others can fail to see it. But, alas. YMMV.

(when the album didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even make the commonly regarded recoupment mark of 1M

FYI, Rihanna’s first album was only certified gold with sales of about 500 K. She had one hit single with “Pon de Replay ” and 2 subsequent singles that I’ve never heard of (flops). Sounds like the same situation DA is in (except that he’s only had 1 flop single). Surely, Rihanna would have been dropped since her label wasn’t able to recoup their investment? Something to think about. Hmm…

Someone better tell T-Pain he didnt hit the recoupment markà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..

*snicker*

I liked Demi’s Ellen performance today, and I’m glad it was her that he’s touring with, not one of the other disney stars. It’s great that this will keep David’s name out there. No one really knows much about what Jive is thinking, if they’ll release a third single or if a 2nd album is coming soon but I’m really glad he’s being given something to stay out there. Hopefully I can somehow go to either the KC or ATL dates!

Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career has taken a downturn. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s headed for the ranks of Blake and Taylor

Please. Blake and Taylor would give anything to have anywhere near the amount of singles and albums David Archuleta has had. Plus, not to mention the outstanding amount of buzz and press that he constantly seems to be getting – See: http://billboard.cgmsearch.com/billboardBuzz_1.html. Quite unkown for an Idol runner up, really.

he got a bad touring gig

How is a summer arena tour that got buzz and press (Perez) even before it was officially announced a bad thing?

Hermy I loved her performance today. Demi seems to have the most talent out of all the disney peeps.. and she seems to be the least disney of them too…

I feel like weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re at the brink of fanbase implosion. The single flopped, the album is over, he got a bad touring gig, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going for the tweenie boppers, his popularity is fast delicing, his album sales are in the pits. This is the beginning of the end. Some have already jumped ship, clearly seeing the warning signs. Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career has taken a downturn. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s headed for the ranks of Blake and Taylor. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s like watching a bunch of desperate sailors hold on to a sinking ship.

Yes, poor, poor David. He’s doomed, doooooooooomed!!! I don’t know how Demi could even stand to have him on her tour, wretch that he is. Disney sure is charitable.

I feel like weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re at the brink of fanbase implosion. The single flopped, the album is over, he got a bad touring gig, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going for the tweenie boppers, his popularity is fast delicing, his album sales are in the pits. This is the beginning of the end. Some have already jumped ship, clearly seeing the warning signs. Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career has taken a downturn. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s headed for the ranks of Blake and Taylor.

WOW! All this in nine months? Impressive.

Today David is at #29 on Billboard’s Buzz 100! Must be all the tour talk, the Asian promotional tour and his general popularity at work! I love buzz!

WOW! All this in nine months? Impressive.

I know, right? I’m still trying to find the signs of this supposed fanbase implosion. Anyone care to point me in the right direction? Hmmm….there must be an imaginary website full of disgruntled fans somewhere because it seems like on the websites I visit even the fans that don’t care for this particular tour pairing have stated that they still support David and love his music.

When the album didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even make the commonly regarded recoupment mark of 1M

To all the experts here, why is 1M the magic number? It doesn’t make sense to me because I can’t believe all albums cost the same to make. I also can’t believe every label pays the same to promote all albums. So wouldn’t it be a different number for every album?

I would think so Luckeee… either way im not getting into that discussion… ha

why is 1M the magic number?

It’s not.

It doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make sense to me because I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe all albums cost the same to make.

They don’t.

I also canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe every label pays the same to promote all albums.

You are correct.

So wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t it be a different number for every album?

It would be. :smile1_tb:

WOW! All this in nine months? Impressive.

I’ve been reading too much idletard. It’s a cycle. Happens every year. When things start to look bad, the fans say “NO! He’s still HUGE- see? Exibit A, B, and C.” The fans who express concern or doubt about state of the idol’s career will be mocked and piled on. I know how this goes. Same ole, same ole.

Plus, not to mention the outstanding amount of buzz and press that he constantly seems to be getting

Buzz = NOTHING

Linsay Lohan and Tara Reid have plenty of buzz. When’s the last time they had a successful movie out, anyway?

Not to mention “buzz” always seems abundant when you have that person on your google alerts and search them up on youtube and every gosspip/celeb/bog site known to man.

I really have nothing to comment on this..im just sitting here stunned at how this thread has ballooned into 4 pages. lol

Oh, did I say Im looking forward to davids appearance on idol no matter what he sings

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been reading too much idletard. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a cycle. Happens every year. When things start to look bad, the fans say à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“NO! Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s still HUGE- see? Exibit A, B, and C.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  The fans who express concern or doubt about state of the idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career will be mocked and piled on. I know how this goes. Same ole, same ole.

Yes, because we all know that the random posts Idletard collects from a very small number of people on various fansites is a clear indication that the entire fanbase is imploding.

The fans who express concern or doubt about state of the idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career will be mocked and piled on. I know how this goes. Same ole, same ole.

That may be the case, but I don’t see it happening here. And frankly I couldn’t care less about the state of anyone’s fanbase.

The recoupment mark wasn’t the point, the point was that Jive is not moving on because it made “enough” money off the album, it’s moving on because it likely can’t make much more.

In any case, I don’t think Archie’s career is heading south, far from it, I think he’s doing very well for himself and I think Jive is smart to target a more defined market in the Disney/Demi/HM direction they’re currently taking with him. Sometime I just can’t help question illogical spin doctoring… I should know better.

Not to mention à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“buzzà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  always seems abundant when you have that person on your google alerts and search them up on youtube and every gosspip/celeb/bog site known to man.

If there was a lack of buzz and press, I wouldn’t be seeing him on my google alerts now would I?

Not to mention à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“buzzà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  always seems abundant when you have that person on your google alerts and search them up on youtube and every gosspip/celeb/bog site known to man.

No, that’s not what people are basing the “buzz” comment on. They’re basing it on Billboard’s Buzz 100 which measures how much an artist gets talked about in blogs. Any mention will do. The top artists on the Buzz 100 tend to be the ones that are more famous. You stay in the top 100 longer, it means you have consistent buzz rather than sporadic buzz. David was out of the top 100 for about 3 days in the last 7 months. You do get people like Lindsay Lohan showing up on the Buzz 100, but that’s because of her behavior. David doesn’t get buzzed because of tabloid things–he’s not tabloid. So that reasoning doesn’t really apply.

Every new singer has a very steep climb to make a successful career. The music bus is littered with one hit wonders. In fact, VH1 has a small cottage industry of programming based on it.

But it is way too early to call Archie’s career dead. (or really any of the season 7 alums either a winner or loser).

That is why I think the tour will be good for him. A new audience that is right in his wheelhouse. But as in all things music, his success will largely depend on getting the right songs for his next album.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been reading too much idletard. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a cycle. Happens every year. When things start to look bad, the fans say à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“NO! Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s still HUGE- see? Exibit A, B, and C.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  The fans who express concern or doubt about state of the idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career will be mocked and piled on. I know how this goes. Same ole, same ole.

idletard as the source for this empirical data…… :lol_tb: :lol_tb:

Look what Perez Hilton just twittered:

“Demi Lovato has just announced her dates for her summer tour with David Archuleta! http://www.myspace.com/demilovato Gonna have to go!”

Never expected that in a million years.. :dunce_tb:

..why are we still talking about albums sales right now? Jesse Mac sold only 250K so far and his came out longer than Archie’s. Even with that he’s still the hottest on the music scene.

Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s career has taken a downturn. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s headed for the ranks of Blake and Taylor. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s like watching a bunch of desperate sailors hold on to a sinking ship

Dude seriously, stop wasting your talent to predict the future here… go buy a lotto number and get rich….

Good on him for snagging the opening bill on this tour. That’s a good get, and it may preserve his career as a major recording artist, which, whether fans realize it or not, is in some jeopardy.

I don’t the ins-and-outs of at what point recoupment ceases to be an issue or what the label’s overall sales expectations were for him. What I do know is that having a lone single off an album (the second one doesn’t count because it might as well not exist) can be a quick path to one-hit-wonderville.

I’ve said for a while that, for both Davids, the goal (beyond not getting dropped after one record) is to turn themselves into “name artists”. AI has currently produced three of them– Kelly, Carrie, and Daughtry. MAYBE you can add Jordin’s name to the list, simply because she had three successful singles, but I’ll have to see how radio receives her new album singles to be convinced of that. As for David Cook, the jury is still out as to whether he will get to “name-level”– he’s not there yet.

But, I can say with virtual certainty that Archie did not become a name-artist off of his first record, if the label is really moving on from it already. Now DA is at this moment still a celebrity, although the more the new AI it-kids become ensconced in the public consciousness, the closer he moves to “Where Are They Now?” territory. But, he has not become a “name” as a music artist.

And if you don’t understand the importance of being a name-artist, look no further than how radio is reacting to Kelly’s singles. Watch what happens when Daughtry drops their first single later this year. Do you think “Suck” would have had a 4000 bullet (or whatever it was) if it was a Carly Smithson tune?

If David Archuleta can get to “name” status, then radio will play his singles simply because they’re new David Archuleta singles. But, perception matters. And right now he’s perceived as being a one-hit artist on his first record– and that’s “hit”, not “smash hit”. So, at the moment, stations are not likely to give him the benefit of the doubt based on his name alone. All I can say is hopefully the first cut off his new album will be a GREAT song because, otherwise, the record could face an uphill struggle.

This is awesome. Congrats to David on getting to do another big arena tour not even a year after he toured so many of those same arenas with the top ten. Opportunities like that don’t come around that often for new artists. I’m especially excited that he’s scheduled to perform at the Nokia Theatre again a little over a year after the Idol finale and as a legit artist this time. Sweet.

Hermy I loved her performance today. Demi seems to have the most talent out of all the disney peeps.. and she seems to be the least disney of them tooà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

She did good. Demi is actually a good performer and she owns that song. My favorite performance I’ve watched of Don’t Forget was when she performed it at the Wiltern Theatre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_P7cR6tJLY

The actual performance starts at 2:05

If I can get tickets, my first priority will be going to see David but I no longer mind getting the chance to see Demi perform live. It’s a win-win for me.

^^ lizland, I agree with your entire post above. One hit and one miss is not enough to predict a thing – neither superstardom nor imminent demise. Archie, as well as every new musician out there (and many seasoned ones) has a long hard road ahead of him and only time will tell how it all pans out. I hope for his sake (and, as a fan, for mine too) that he will find enough success to stay in the business.

I think he very well might enjoy a stretch of success at this stage, then fall off the radar for a year or two while he lives his life and works on his writing, and then come back stronger than ever. I’d be more than willing to wait if it meant great music in the future. The point is, he’s young. He has talent and time on his side. I think it’s pretty short-sighted to doom his career forever based on one failed single, just as it is to assume it’s golden based on one hit.

I don’t understand why everyone’s worrying so much about Archie. I think he’s doing fine. So what if he has a flopped single? He’s freakin 18. Jesse Mac had a multiple flops, and his album which came out before Archie’s only sold 250K. Does that make him less famous than Archie? No. Does that make him a flop? No.

As much as I’m a major fan of David’s, I have to confess that – as a 40 year old – I wouldn’t be caught dead at this concert. IF I were ever to consider going, it would only be if I could bring my young nephew as a cover. Seriously. The Idol tour was a whole different kettle of fish. This is all a little too Disney-esque for me.

I agree with the person upthread who said he should be touring as an opener for someone like John Mayer – somebody all age groups could relate to and appreciate.

I think my only problem with David is I see him as the 18 year old he is, but he sees himself as much younger in terms of maturity. He’s said so. I believe he’s perfectly content playing out the whole tween thing at this stage of his career. I just wish he’d realize that he’s an adult now and that he’s bigger and better than this. This is my own personal opinion, of course.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand why everyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s worrying so much about Archie.

not so much a worry or prognostications of failure…. but perhaps a fear of massive success?. it’s not always how or where you start, but how and where you end up that matters…. seen plenty hotshots burn it up out of the gate with multiple hits, million selling albums,etc. fail to live up to those expectations set by that success crash and burn and fade away…. ain’t no guarantees out here, no magic formulas to predict what we call ‘success’…. so david’s odds for success are just as good as anyone’s in the industry at this point….

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand why everyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s worrying so much about Archie. I think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s doing fine.

It’s called faux worry and it has become a sport.

And for the ppl who think he should open for John Mayer or other ppl. First of all they have to be touring at the same time you need. Second of all you have to fit with them somewhat musically. Third, you have to be asked or set up. Do you think it’s that simple? Archie: *ring ring* “Heyyyy Ol’ buddy Ol’ pal ! I need to tour this summer so how about you quit twittering underage girls and help me out here. ” John Mayer : ” Sure David.. is that your name? I’ll just cancell all the other obligations I’m set up for and do that. “

Archie: *ring ring* à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Heyyyy Olà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ buddy Olà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ pal ! I need to tour this summer so how about you quit twittering underage girls and help me out here. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 
John Mayer : à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Sure David.. is that your name? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll just cancell all the other obligations Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m set up for and do that. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“

This is gold… :clap_tb: :thumbup_tb:

I’m sorry if I started a broo-ha-ha about David Archuleta. I didn’t go to his concert on the solo tour…I wasn’t about to stand for several hours, at my age, and watch David perform songs that I had seen a hundred times on you tube. I over-saturated myself with David….forever hoping that I could see something new and interesting. A few snippets here and there, a few acapella songs at Christmas time, the up-beat Zero-gravity were great but I didn’t need to watch so much of the other stuff. I over did it!

David was my first fan-girly moment and now I think I know how to pace myself better. Only watch the good stuff…if you only hear the teeny boppers screaming turn it off. Only listen to the well thought out interviews from interviewers with a few smarts. I kept getting embarrassed for David that the questions were so stupid and that he was rarely asked anything that made him or I think.

I really hope David succeeds. I just need to step back while he is going through this teeny-bopper stage, with his music, his touring, etc. He really is 18 going on 15 and I’ll catch back up with him when he is 20 going on 20 with a new album that may have some good songs that I would enjoy hearing. I don’t think top 40 pop is where David belongs…I think he has too much of a great instrument to waste it on a music genre that has never had staying power. I hate it that I see his face plastered on every teen rag in the business. I hate it that see son see Father….many stars have their parents as managers but they manage to stay in the background.

I guess if you go the AI route you are forced into grab the money and fame while it is hot, instead of taking it slow and easy and building a career on one solid song after another, or one sold performance after another. I’m not jumping ship…just sitting at the back of the room and waiting patiently for something to happen that will thrill me.

And for the ppl who think he should open for John Mayer or other ppl. First of all they have to be touring at the same time you need. Second of all you have to fit with them somewhat musically. Third, you have to be asked or set up. Do you think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s that simple?

Of course we appreciate there’s more to it than that. John is simply an example of an artist that some fans feel David would be more appropriately suited with (and more respected being aligned with). Heck, insert Jason Mraz’s name, whoever you want…..just not the tween set.

David: Heeeeey s-a-r-a space b-a-r-e-i-l-l-e-s, you’re hot come tour with me..

Sara: Sure..

Heck, insert Jason Mrazà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s name, whoever you wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..just not the tween set

He isn ´t touring either…

David: Heeeeey s-a-r-a space b-a-r-e-i-l-l-e-s, youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re hot come tour with me..

Sara: Sure..

:lol_tb: you guys are killing me…

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s called faux worry and it has become a sport.

It’s not any kind of “worry”. I can only speak for myself, but I have no feelings of any kind when I share analysis. I made a cold prediction that David Cook’s radio success was over a couple weeks ago too. It seems that it turned out I was overreacting to the failure of ALTNOY, and projecting that onto stations’ response to David Cook as a fellow artist from the seventh season of Idol. So perhaps I’m improperly projecting ALTNOY’s failure on to David Archuleta’s whole career. For his sake, hopefully I am and whenever he has a new single, it will smash.

Something that nobody is talking about, but I find interesting, is the question of how well any of the AI-spawned artists will do once AI ends. Because if Simon leaves, I’d say Idol has two seasons at most after that.

And, honestly, even the “name artists” that Idol has produced, with the exception of Kelly, rely on AI to provide them exposure, and in some cases, outright pimping. So once that source of exposure is removed, how much of a hit will all of them take? (There if fans think that this conversation has gotten too personal with respect to Archie, discuss this aspect instead, if you want).

I was the first to mention John Mayer on this thread. If you read my post I clearly didn’t suggest David could open for JM. I talked about emulating his career path.

This thread has become like a game of telephone lol.

This thread has become like a game of telephone lol.

Seriously. With a healthy dose of fan-litmus-test-ism thrown in. LOL. Gotta love Idol fandom.

When David says that he wants to record more serious and deeper meaning songs, I believe him. So then what’s up with all the teenybopper stuff? As far as his second single, A Little too not Over You, that was a big mistake. There are several other cuts from the album that would have been a much better choice. David has a terrific singing voice, but he can only overcome so many mediocre songs or bad concert pairings before the public totally dismisses him.

i plan to see david on this lovato tour, and enjoy the heck out of him in this stage of his journey. if any are experiencing angst or heartburn over the lovato pairing – check your own projections and expectations…. david doesn’t seem to be so caught up in the race to be the next big thing, and doesn’t seem to even aspire to that rarified air of mega stardom in pop music some in this base, and outside of it seem to live and die by. he’s been telling us all along who he is, if you’ve been listening… especially in the asian interviews. he’s a young, incredibly versatile and talented artist who just loves to sing, wants to be able to make a living at it, and have the time and space to try different things before settling into his groove or niche in the industry.

my peace of mind and belief in david is not predicated on who i may feel is worthy enough to open for him, or who he may be opening for – everything he touches will not turn to gold, every decision made is not going to be universally accepted, there will be missteps along the way in his career – doesn’t sway my belief that his talent runs too deep and is too formidable to be drowned out or suffer any damage by opening for lovato.

i don’t own rose colored glasses, i see the challenges and the pitfalls inherent in the situation, and in the hands of a lesser talent or artist, i probably would be a little queasy. he is not the first, nor will he be the last artist to take more than one album/cd or tour to find the groove that will define and sustain him throughout his career…

david opening for lovato, to me, is just another round of dues he will have to pay in the grand scheme of things…. being david archuleta will not exempt him from this, regardless how great and ‘complete’ a package some think he already is…. it may not be relevant to many of you, but good lord, if jimi hendrix could be the opening act for the monkees, after he literally set the music world on fire at the monterey pop festival, and survive lo these many years with his musical and artistic integrity intact, i think this fanbase and david can survive opening for lovato.

Heck, insert Jason Mrazà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s name, whoever you wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..just not the tween set

He isn ´t touring eitherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

I give up. I think the point’s been missed. :lol_wp:

Maybe the pencil didnt get sharpened…

There is paying your dues, and there is being sold off to a Disney slave labor tour. Damn, that’s a lot of shows in so little time.

Paying your dues is one thing, but what has he done to deserve opening for a Disney wannabe?

hey no different than the slave labour AI tour….

I give up. I think the pointà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been missed.

No I get your point… now lets see pop artist that are touring this summer…

Beyonce, …I will freak out … her new album is weird in my opinion, have you see the video for DIVA, that is just wrong… and their styles and audience don ´t fit…

Justin Tinmberlake isn ´t touring right now…

Jason Mraz, Jonh Mayer, Sara Barailles, not touring audiences and style don ´t fit Archie music at this moment…

Britney… eh no….

Cristina Aguilera, not touring….

Michael Jackson… I don ´t want to put Archie in danger….

Gavin Degraw… I think they both got a great friendship going on, but he isn ´t touring… and just sample his new album and I didn ´t like it…

Lady GAGA… I will love to see this two touring together, mostly because backstage will be hilarious but their music styles don ´t fit…

I can continue but since I don ´t live in US I don ´t know who is touring right know or what pop artist are popular…

There is paying your dues, and there is being sold off to a Disney slave labor tour.

as the great great great grandaughter of a slave, suffice it to say there is a tremendous difference in what david is going to be involved in this summer on tour, gaining exposure in front of thousands of potential new fans and being compensated for his time and labor, than what my forefathers and mothers were subjected to under true ‘slave labor’ conditions….. not. even. close.

Paying your dues is one thing, but what has he done to deserve opening for a Disney wannabe?

She’s not a Disney wannabe. She’s a Disney “is.” She’s one of the hottest artists Hollywood Records has right now. She’s also known as “the Disney kid with actual talent,” even by those who dug the Disney kids before her.

Not sure exactly what David did to deserve another arena tour (performed well on his last one?), but I’m sure he’ll have fun doing it.

Jordin’s opening for the 3 biggest faux rockers of Disney. How come no one’s concerned for her? She’s lost her musical integrity and her career will be doomed! :drunk_tb: I guess I’m the only one that cares..

This is more a coup for Demi Lovato than it is for Archie. Well played, Lovato team. Archie will be the male counterpart. Rather than have another girl or girl band, she has ‘balanced’ her tour. It’s more of an obvious win and no brainer if you’re a fan of Lovato.

There are pros and cons for Archie fans. I think touring and headlining will give Archie more cover, if you will, to grow as a performer and develop his stage presence. He’s just gotten so much better and matured enormously. Compare Archie on Idol to the AI tour to some of his more recent concerts? Wow. Impressive.

I can, however, understand why Archie fans might be a tad disappointed. I mean, Jive had Jordin open for Alicia Keyes. So, and as popular as Lovato is, she is NO Alicia Keyes. That’s a no brainer. Alicia could also mentor Jordin, who was also rather green when she started touring. I don’t think Lovato can bring that expertise or mentorship for Archie. Because frankly, Archie is head and shoulders better than her – vocally and professionally.

But, this the pros outway any pangs about Archie “not” headlining. But I’m trying to look a the bigger picture. And this tour weighs more heavily pro and good. Archie is mad talented. He’ll be fine. Seriously, he’s not like Blake or any of the other failed runner ups. He’ll be a big star. Patience. Slow and steady.

ETA: ^^Because I set the bar higher for Archie than Jordin. So I get why peeps might feel a pang. Archie is so much more talented than Jordin, IMO.

Poor Jordin… nothing can help her now… not even the zombie horses…

Poor Jordinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ nothing can help her nowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ not even the zombie horsesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

There are zombie horses now?

This post and all its responses are epic, btw. lololol.

May I take a moment to fangirl over frogcooke? Are you this zen in real life?

Lovato is a Disney creation, just like Hillary Duff and Miley Cyrus. So let’s just say she has Disney quality talent. David Archuleta is a different class of talent. It is tragic that he has to be associated with the likes of Lovato.

It is tragic that he has to be associated with the likes of Lovato.

I would guess that he probably doesn’t feel the same way.

I would guess that he probably doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t feel the same way.

I don’t think he does. I think he’ll actually have a lot of fun. He started AI at 16 and has been on the go non-stop since then. It’ll be nice for him to be around other teenagers, he does like to have fun. He doesn’t exactly worry about his image, and he’ll make the music he want regardless of this so I expect he’s his usual happy self.

David’s affiliation with the Disney set, Cyrus and Lovato, will do nothing to help David achieve his often stated goal: to record meaningful songs and have a long lasting career in music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBO4bu0c1I4

David Archuleta, Gavin Rossdale, Boys Like Girls, Metro Station and Shontelle in a promo for YRoswell.com, a Gen Y website created by Roswell Park Cancer Institute.

Really cool.

Jordinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s opening for the 3 biggest faux rockers of Disney. How come no oneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s concerned for her? Sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s lost her musical integrity and her career will be doomed! :drunk_tb: I guess Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m the only one that cares..

LOL. Jordin has 3 big smash singles and a platinum album under her belt. She’s toured with Alicia Keys. And the Jonas Brothers are WAY bigger than her. So I don’t think people would have as much cause to worry there.

Look, I think Archie’s career is fine. He had a hit song, sold a good amount of albums. I doubt he owes his label any money. ALTNOY flopped, but its not the worst thing that has ever happened in the world. He’s getting a second album, he just came off a successful tour. And Demi Lovato keeps his name out there while Jive gears up for era #2.

That said, I don’t think one has to be out of their mind, or a doubter, or a hater to actually not like the idea of him touring with Demi Lovato. She is not the second coming of Taylor Swift. Disney is trying to position her as their next big thing, and it may or may not work, but she is not there yet. And Disney is a very specific kind of brand with a very specific kind of audience, one that may rightfully give his adult fans some pause. He could get stuck in a Disney box in people’s mind and not get out easily. All that is possible.

Its a legitimate way to look at things to me, just as legit as hoping it will all work out for the best. There are no perfect choices in life. Everything any artist does has some risk. I personally think its worth it, but I respect others who might think its not. Either way, the only thing that will tell the truth is time.

David Archuleta, Gavin Rossdale, Boys Like Girls, Metro Station and Shontelle in a promo for YRoswell.com, a Gen Y website created by Roswell Park Cancer Institute.

Cool… I bet it was filmed during one of the jingle balls/jams…

Coolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I bet it was filmed during one of the jingle balls/jamsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Yeah, it was. The one in Buffalo.

Maybe Archie and Demi will hook up during the tour.

^^^ :lol_tb: Some of the younger fans are already angsting over the possibility.

Especially since in the magazine article posted today, the only reason he didn’t pick her to go on a date with is that he’s only met her once and doesn’t know her. :lol_tb:

as the great great great grandaughter of a slave, suffice it to say there is a tremendous difference in what david is going to be involved in this summer on tour, gaining exposure in front of thousands of potential new fans and being compensated for his time and labor, than what my forefathers and mothers were subjected to under true à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢slave laborà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ conditionsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.. not. even. close.

GG- Well said.

LOL at all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth over David Archuleta going on this 47 city tour and gaining tons of new fans with an up and coming star with huge numbers of fans.

LK09…I agree with you…

May I take a moment to fangirl over frogcooke? Are you this zen in real life?

coincidently I DO have a shirt that says zen master on it….

LK09 – Amen to that!

Look, he’s an artist who is just starting out so I don’t get why people are being so picky about who he is opening for, especially given the dearth of musical acts he can conceivably open for who are touring right now.

That said, when I saw the album sales for Demi Lovato’s album, I was pretty taken aback that they were so low. To me, this raises a question as to whether she can fill those arenas. Is her TV show that popular? I just recall Kelly Clarkson famously cancelling her arena solo tour a few years ago and she’s freaking Kelly Clarkson! So are the Disney kids really this popular? And if Demi doesn’t sell out the arenas, what % of the arena does she have to fill to make it profitable not only for herself but also for Archie? (How do opening acts make their $$ anyway? And who gets to keep the $$ (label vs. artist/management) Anyone know?

Sorry, I couldn’t edit anymore so I’ll have to add that my question about Lovato’s ability to fill arenas also arises from an earlier comment in this thread that said that they didn’t expect the Jonas Bros. to sell out their arena tour either (which is a shock to me b/c they are pretty much EVERYWHERE) and the speculation in the AI tour thread that that tour wasn’t going to do as well as last year. So I’m starting to think that perhaps the economy is affecting ticket sales to a greater extent than I previously thought.

So Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m starting to think that perhaps the economy is affecting ticket sales to a greater extent than I previously thought.

I’m just not sure about this. You would think it would have some effect, but I’ve been to a few concerts in the last several months, and those suckers were still packed, so I have no idea.

arises from an earlier comment in this thread that said that they didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t expect the Jonas Bros. to sell out their arena tour either (which is a shock to me b/c they are pretty much EVERYWHERE)

I think, because the Jonas Bros. movie fell far below Disney’s expectations, some are assuming that the Jonas worldwide domination is now on its downslide. Typically, these Disney acts have an expiration date. So, I believe the people who foresee a non-sell-out tour are speculating that the Jonas Brothers are perilously close to theirs. (I have no idea one way or the other).

I don’t think Demi, at this point, is as famous as Miley or the Jonas Brothers were when they started selling out arenas of this size. I don’t think she could do it herself, so perhaps that’s the reason for the heavy advertisement of David opening for her. David couldn’t sell out these arenas himself either, but perhaps the thinking is that possibly together they can. I guess we’ll find out when tickets go on sale.

I’m not sure what this would mean for David’s career. On the one hand, it’s a pretty ambitious tour with a lot of stops, so even if as the opener he doesn’t get much revenue – it’s still a steady paycheck for a while – and an opportunity to sing for more people. On the other hand, these people will likely be lots of screaming 10 – 13 year olds and their parents. This would be a pretty annoying concert to attend for his adult fans.

I think David’s label has signaled pretty loudly that this is the end of this particular cd, but since they have plans for a second, I’m doubting they’re thinking it’s the end of his career. Of course, if that second cd fails to sell, that might be the end. But, David’s got a good long while to make stuff happen in the meantime.

coincidently I DO have a shirt that says zen master on ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

lol…I want a tshirt like that…. :thumbup_tb:

LOL at all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth over David Archuleta going on this 47 city tour and gaining tons of new fans with an up and coming star with huge numbers of fans.

That’s basically where I’m at, it seems like a good thing for David. I think sometimes fans might forget that he’s a teenager, and a young teenager, and what is wrong with attracting young fans? I’ve always thought it was surprising that he has heavily-invested adult fans, when he seems so young (compared to lots of teenagers) and I don’t think he needs to be courting adult audiences. He’s a kid, let him be a kid and enjoy it. I bet he’ll have fun.

Those are some nice sized venues he’s playing. The Patriot Center in
Fairfax, VA for instance. I’ve seen some good music there, and I wanted David Cook to play there, since it is at a college, but he chose to play at mostly very small venues. I’d feel very lucky if he plays there on his next tour pass through the east coast.

I think sometimes fans might forget that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a teenager, and a young teenager, and what is wrong with attracting young fans? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve always thought it was surprising that he has heavily-invested adult fans, when he seems so young (compared to lots of teenagers) and I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think he needs to be courting adult audiences.

Oceana,

It IS hard to explain what it is about David. So many adults who love and follow David don’t understand why they are so invested in him. My point is that David is way more than meets the eye. In my opinion, he is WAY older than his age. He may not look older, and he doesn’t always sound sophisticated, but if you really listen to him, you would see how wise he is. Like Cook said, David is 17 going on 30. I guess you have to have followed him closely.

He has a keen musical intelligence. His celebrated cuteness and charisma can actually get in the way of appreciation for it.