<<at a>> reception celebrating the inaugural Eunice Kennedy Shriver Challenge at the Washington Monument on October 23, 2010 in Washington, DC.David Archuleta’s “Falling Stars”, according to tweets, has been released to radio stations in the Adult Contemporary/Hot Adult Contemporary format.

Songwriter/Producer Claude Kelly tweets, “Lets Go @DavidArchie fans! start requesting! RT @lovefrommich my local radiostation just confirmed that they received Falling Stars frm Jive”

And, “Falling Stars” co-writer, Eman Kiriakou tweets, “Hey everyone. Call and request Falling Stars at your local AC/Hot AC stations! Especially you @DavidArchie fans! GO!!!!!”

The song is streaming at mediabase, which is a sign that the song could be single-bound.

“Falling Stars” is the third single released from David’s new album, The Other Side of Down.

“Something ‘Bout Love” and “Elevator” were released to radio in quick succession. There was even a video for “Something ‘Bout Love”.  But, neither song has gained traction on pop radio so far.

I wonder if Jive has decided to abandon the CHR format to focus on HAC?

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  • frogcooke

    lol. I have not good thoughts of Jive. *mumbles*

    I hope they push something… past the basic oh hey we’ll bother a few low end stations and kudd. lol

  • KathyH

    I have no idea what Jive is doing other than tossing songs out there, left and right. A push would be a beautiful thing. I like Falling Stars, though. Really pretty song and that’s the one my older teen daughter connected to, so who knows …

  • frogcooke

    I still think Elevator could have done well on HAC had they actually ATTEMPTED to do anything at all.

  • KathyH

    Oh, well I didn’t know Elevator was out. Thought they were just sort of tossing seeds out there, hoping something would land and take root.

  • djafan

    I think SBL and Elevator would have done well with support.

  • idolfan92

    I love Falling Stars. It’s my favorite song on the album. Jive, please push this! Do something at least!

  • kimk

    no idea what jive is doing… but I love Falling Stars and think David is fabulous so wish it well wherever it is… or does!?
    hoping for a video already too….

  • rhed31

    I don’t remember Elevator being released to CHR. It was released to Hot AC 3 weeks ago and I remember it being on the most added list there. I don’t think it matters what song or what format Jive chooses. Nothing is going to get played if they don’t back it and if they keep switching gears. The fans don’t even know what song to request anymore.

  • LCT

    Music reviews have been VERY favorable of TOSOD however, Jive has failed to do any promoting! It is a very good album, but it can’t sell if we don’t know it’s out there! Archie is very talented and you can’t tell me he doesn’t deserve a chance???

  • partyintheusa

    No radio play…not a shocker at all. It seems once radio gets past the first single, they give up. Same was/is true of Kris. One-hit wonders.

  • apple

    Elevator was released to HAC also and is actually played more on HAC than TOP 40, but that didn’t do anything without Jive pushing it.

  • brewster

    SBL and Elevator should never have been released as singles. David wasted important promo opportunities running around singing an acoustic version of Elevator when he could have been showcasing better songs from the CD, like Falling Stars or even the title track. I am doubtful that domestic sales of this CD is going to come close to covering expenses, but David is very popular in Asia, so with the upcoming Asia visit, maybe the foreign sales will come in for him.

  • Buffynut

    I like it!

  • http://twitter.com/kenostroff negativo

    Meh…dime-a-dozen pop junk. The overproduction was annoying, and the song never really went anywhere for me.

  • jtoms

    honestly, SBL was his best chance at a pop hit from this album, and from all accounts, it seems like jive pushed it, but it just never went anywhere.

  • sr4mjc

    honestly, SBL was his best chance at a pop hit from this album, and from all accounts, it seems like jive pushed it, but it just never went anywhere.

    I agree. I love me some pop junk ;), but SBL was the best of the bunch I thought. It’s just not a very current sounding album. The only problem with the production I have is that is sounds dated.

  • Q3

    Does the release of FS to HAC/AC mean that have given up on Top 40 for this album?

    Jive appears to be just throwing stuff out there and hoping something works. I sure hope they work FS and do not leave it just lay out there.

  • brewster

    The problem with SBL is that the chorus is annoying. David sounds like he is straining to hit those high notes, perhaps he should have brought it down an octave.

  • Niall

    Unless people want them to try payola (which is illegal), there’s only so much Jive can do. His management can try to get some high profile appearances but that is also at the mercy of booking agents who may or may not want to give a slot to David Archuleta that could instead go to a more famous singer or actor with something to promote.

    Jive’s best bet is to get Archie back into the studio after the holidays, hand him 12 well crafted, mainstream pop songs and tell him to sing. No more indulging his insistence that he’s a “singer/songwriter.” He’s not. His writing is terrible, even with decent co-writer’s trying to help him out. He, like Gokey, just needs to sing what he’s told to sing if he wants any prayer of being successful in pop music.

    People magazine hit the nail on the head in their review of his cd. He’s a nice kid, but he crafted a boring, staid album with nothing terribly memorable.

  • HappyDaisy

    Falling Stars is a very pretty song. Love the piano. Keeping fingers crossed that radio will give it a chance.

    Agree with you on Elevator, brewster. If anything that situation has hurt David’s sales rather than helped.

    Other faves are the title track and Stomping the Roses.

  • frogcooke

    Pretty sure his book got more promo than his cd has. lol sadz.

    I actually really like elevator, think its on of my favs on the album. Actually I pretty much like most of the album, more so than the first album.

    Though the title song has been in my head the past day or so. lol I was kinda meh on it at first. Also FS gets in my head quite frequently. I dont obsessively listen to the cd either.

  • partyintheusa

    His writing is terrible, even with decent co-writer’s trying to help him out.

    I wouldn’t go that far. I think Zero Gravity and Somebody Out There, both of which he wrote or co-wrote, are very well crafted songs.

  • brewster

    Jive’s best bet is to get Archie back into the studio after the holidays, hand him 12 well crafted, mainstream pop songs and tell him to sing.

    I would agree. Jive indulged David’s songwriting on this CD. The results are mediocre at best. I just think he is a little too young and inexperienced to be writing his own material. I respect his effort and his belief in himself, but if he wants to make a career of singing, he is going to need to record better songs.

  • LaRue

    Jive’s best bet is to get Archie back into the studio after the holidays, hand him 12 well crafted, mainstream pop songs and tell him to sing. No more indulging his insistence that he’s a “singer/songwriter.” He’s not. His writing is terrible, even with decent co-writer’s trying to help him out. He, like Gokey, just needs to sing what he’s told to sing if he wants any prayer of being successful in pop music.

    OUCH. So his only chance is to do exactly as he’s told. OUCH.

  • wordnerdarchie

    From the beginning I had reservations with Elevator. I’m sure some of you are aware of that since I’ve posted about it elsewhere. So I’m glad Jive is moving on to another song. Hopefully there’s still enough goodwill left at radio that Falling Stars will be given a fair shot.

  • frogcooke

    I dont think he cares all that much for the commercial aspect of songs, like radio songs. He’s made the distinction between radio songs and non a few times. Sometimes he’ll be like, oh thats a song for radio, etc etc. paraphrasing here. lol

    Hopefully there’s still enough goodwill left at radio that Falling Stars will be given a fair shot.

    Eh, I dont think without any sort of prodding by jive, radio is gonna do much of anything. If the label doesnt care enough to push a song why should the station care enough to play it.

    ETA: oh and apparently Jive has been doing pretty much the same thing with their artist Ciara as well. “announcing” songs as single without out proper adds dates and not having them do anything. At least according to her pulse thread(music board).

  • Tess

    I, too, think David’s big problem is his song-writing capabilities and his choice of subject matter. Sacharine sweetness is great for Halloween candy but not so much for good Top 40 songs.

    David has an excellent voice but he isn’t “current”, doesn’t have the type of persona that sells to today’s kids, is to young acting for HAC.

    Also, he has spent so much time promoting his book and then being a part of the charity circut that he hasn’t had time to promote himself. Though with this mediocre album I am sure that would be hard.

    Yup Archie…let a hit maker write your material and just go sing…that is what you do best.

  • djafan

    I for one like every song on David’s CD, nothing mediocre about it, so better or worse songs are really just individual likes. I listen to top 40 just to get a feel of what they’re playing and if that is what are the “better” songs there is something seriously wrong. I do believe he fits better in AC.

  • jumpstart

    On his third single already? TPTB at Jive have really lost their touch in the past couple of years. David deserves so much better …

  • Stan

    Jive’s best bet is to get Archie back into the studio after the holidays, hand him 12 well crafted, mainstream pop songs and tell him to sing

    Well, that hasn’t worked for Kris Allen.
    I do agree, though, that this album may not attract most pop radio stations because they have set this standard for “low quality lyrics and sex mandated or cheap high school scenario relationship” type songs.
    David’s themes are not what most pop music is these days. But, there has been a gradual, slow movement away from the “same old same old” pop music. And that is one very big reason HE needs to continue to influence the song lyrics in his music. There is a real refusal of many Americans today to listen to radio. I refuse to believe that the “top 40″ is what America really chooses to listen to. Most top 40 radio stations in most major cities is not the most listened to stations. Hispanic and talk radio rate higher than top 40 these days. lol!!
    So, David may not be targeting “top 40″. He may have higher goals…maybe trying to remain true to himself and the belief that many, many more listeners in America really do prefer songs with lyrics about things that really matter in life!!

  • brewster

    I for one like every song on David’s CD, nothing mediocre about it, so better or worse songs are really just individual likes.

    It’s too bad that there are not more music buyers like you. But unfortunately for David, not enough people feel the same as you.

  • djafan

    But unfortunately for David, not enough people feel the same as you.

    Interestingly enough I know a lot of people like me who have given up on radio period. They buy what they know online. I’ve talked to at least 100 people in the last month that loved David on AI and didn’t know about The Other Side of Down or Chords of Strength. Just need to get him out in front of the camera.

    I do agree, though, that this album may not attract most pop radio stations because they have set this standard for “low quality lyrics and sex mandated or cheap high school scenario relationship” type songs.
    David’s themes are not what most pop music is these days. But, there has been a gradual, slow movement away from the “same old same old” pop music. And that is one very big reason HE needs to continue to influence the song lyrics in his music. There is a real refusal of many Americans today to listen to radio. I refuse to believe that the “top 40? is what America really chooses to listen to. Most top 40 radio stations in most major cities is not the most listened to stations. Hispanic and talk radio rate higher than top 40 these days. lol!!
    So, David may not be targeting “top 40?. He may have higher goals…maybe trying to remain true to himself and the belief that many, many more listeners in America really do prefer songs with lyrics about things that really matter in life!!

    Ditto.

  • frogcooke

    Well Jive has just been sucking it up with a lot of their artists for a while now.

  • Tess

    He may have higher goals…maybe trying to remain true to himself and the belief that many, many more listeners in America really do prefer songs with lyrics about things that really matter in life!!

    I’m sure there are these listeners and someone like Josh Grobin has made a fortune singing these kind of songs…and his tours sell out. The difference is that Josh knows his audience and his voice and is comfortable with selling what he is good at. Archie, on the other hand, is still dreaming about being a pop star and making a pop audience eat the golden fruit he is offering…and no one is falling for it.

    I don’t think anyone is saying that Archie isn’t a gifted singer with a great voice…but many of us feel he has made poor decisions about the type of singer he thinks he is and the audience he wants to appeal to. There is a whole world out there (look at SuBo’s sales) that would love him to do the rich, soulfull and inspirational music (and not in a “religious” sense) instead of wasting his time trying to sing in a key too high or reaching for a falsetto that just sounds way to forced.

    It sometimes takes sacrifices to make it in the music business…and David may need to sacrifice his song-writing and his Top 40 dreams to ensure that he will be around for a lot longer.

  • frogcooke

    I dont know that he really particularly has top 40 aspirations. lol He likes pop music and likes doing it, but theres all sorts of pop. Granted Jive may want him for top 40, but i dont know that he’s all that particularly striving for that. But at the same time he knows he cant just go from one thing to doing something completely different.

    Aww I like his falsetto. Well maybe not for a whole song, but I like it.

  • KathyH

    I do agree, though, that this album may not attract most pop radio stations because they have set this standard for “low quality lyrics and sex mandated or cheap high school scenario relationship” type songs.
    David’s themes are not what most pop music is these days. But, there has been a gradual, slow movement away from the “same old same old” pop music. And that is one very big reason HE needs to continue to influence the song lyrics in his music. There is a real refusal of many Americans today to listen to radio. I refuse to believe that the “top 40? is what America really chooses to listen to. Most top 40 radio stations in most major cities is not the most listened to stations. Hispanic and talk radio rate higher than top 40 these days. lol!!
    So, David may not be targeting “top 40?. He may have higher goals…maybe trying to remain true to himself and the belief that many, many more listeners in America really do prefer songs with lyrics about things that really matter in life!!

    Ditto from me too.

    Plus, I really love this album. I’m David’s fan because, whatever it was about him that first appealed to me — the sweet spirit and sincerity — is still ringing true. He’s never disappointed me. The songs on this album can really improve my mood and I like it more than I liked the debut album, which sold better at the outset. I know there’s more of an audience for him out that who have simply not heard these songs. Hope they get a chance to hear it.

  • HappyDaisy

    frogcooke: He likes pop music and likes doing it, but theres all sorts of pop.

    Anyone familiar with those two Shinedown hits that are different from their rock songs: Second Chance and If You Only Knew?

    Second Chance was a huge hit and If You Only Knew peaked at #42. Heard Second Chance on HAC and CHR.

    Pretty simple lyrics. Cool songs. And not Josh Groban or Susan Boyle. :) Yeah, there’s all kinds of pop.

  • mhel

    Oh well, i love this album, i love the artist, i love falling stars, elevator & sbl…as a loyal and dedicated fan of david, all i have to say is ” I TRUST THE ARCHULETA”!!!!!! :))

  • frogcooke

    omg that song i think second chance, i SWEAR every time it comes on i think its a daughtry song or something. I have to actually put effort into thinking who sings that song. every. time.

  • koshka

    omg that song i think second chance, i SWEAR every time it comes on i think its a daughtry song or something. I have to actually put effort into thinking who sings that song. every. time.

    OMG I thought I was the only one!! There is also another artist that I get confused with Daughtry as well.. right now I’m blocking the name from my mind.

  • CSFan

    So, David may not be targeting “top 40?. He may have higher goals…maybe trying to remain true to himself and the belief that many, many more listeners in America really do prefer songs with lyrics about things that really matter in life!!

    And there’s a market for that but it’s not on radio, it’s a niche market. And until Jive also sees him as a niche artist and decides his message is more important than profits (ain’t happening), his goals need to be Jive’s goals. I think the world of Crystal Bowersox but I expect her relationship with Jive to be short lived because I think she’ll choose her personal beliefs/vision, and Jive will choose profits and those two things may not match up. Same thing here.

    Lots of artists remain true to themselves. Unfortunately David’s version of that isn’t working beyond his small group of loyalists.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    Jive’s best bet is to get Archie back into the studio after the holidays, hand him 12 well crafted, mainstream pop songs and tell him to sing. No more indulging his insistence that he’s a “singer/songwriter.” He’s not. His writing is terrible, even with decent co-writer’s trying to help him out. He, like Gokey, just needs to sing what he’s told to sing if he wants any prayer of being successful in pop music.

    I pretty much agree with this. Too bad Jive didn’t do this after ALTNOY flopped. Every sensible label would do that. But Jive didn’t. I knew at that time that they are not taking David seriously.

  • cmom

    Considering that TOSOD has received very positive (mostly B’s) in reviews, I think he doesn’t need our validation of him as a “singer/songwriter”. If the album was universally trashed, then I there might be a case. What those saying that really mean is that he isn’t writing something that the biased dj’s will play. So far, not one of my San Francisco Bay Area stations has played a single song of his – not Crush, not Oh Holy Night on the “Christmas-song-playing” station, nothing. There is a distinct bias, especially by those who pd’s who have not bothered to really take a look/listen to Archuleta. Archie is a musician through and through. He is strong-minded when it comes to music. He is recognized and respected as a musician by musicians. Let the chips fall where they may. And spending too much time doing things for charities as one person here said? Let’s really think about that statement and what that says about life today.

  • Kris

    I don’t know that you could even call this a third single. I don’t see Elevator as the second one. No adds date, no push. I don’t expect this one to be a real single either. Jive will just throw it out there without taking the time, effort, and money, to try and make it a success.

    And I still say there is no proof that the material is the reason for the lack of success of this album. People can’t reject what they have not heard.

  • heidijoy

    I enjoy David’s album and listen to it instead of the radio. I am proud of what David has accomplished @ age 19. His songs are being played in Asia on radio. David will figure out what’s best for him. Many of us loyal fans will continue to support him and look forward to his concerts, PBS appearances (Ora Fallon christmas program),Mormon Tabernacle choir appearance, charity functions,books etc etc. While everyone is stewing, he’s off attending an Elementary School Halloween parade with his sister. I just hope we can continue to hear him sing and hopefully that’s what even his harshest critics want too.

  • frogcooke

    awww FS just got its first spin. *sniff sniff* Need to enjoy it while it lasts.

  • djafan

    “There is a distinct bias, especially by those who pd’s who have not bothered to really take a look/listen to Archuleta. Archie is a musician through and through. He is strong-minded when it comes to music. He is recognized and respected as a musician by musicians. Let the chips fall where they may. And spending too much time doing things for charities as one person here said? Let’s really think about that statement and what that says about life today.”

    Thank you.

    “awww FS just got its first spin. *sniff sniff* Need to enjoy it while it lasts.”

    It’s a start!

  • tibitibis

    Jive’s best bet is to get Archie back into the studio after the holidays, hand him 12 well crafted, mainstream pop songs and tell him to sing.

    If after the holidays the single album don’t show any kind of reaction,this is the best they can do, maybe not an all album, maybe just a good EP with 6 or 7 songs .

  • Suzanne

    Well, this single will be a good test for all the people saying that David should leave the songwriting to the songwriters. It’s written by hitmakers who’d been trying to peddle it to a good singer,which David is.

    I like this album by the way. And I think that the weakest songs have been put out first as singles, which is weird. I think the best chance for a CHR hit is Stomping the Roses.

  • koshka

    I would agree. Jive indulged David’s songwriting on this CD. The results are mediocre at best. I just think he is a little too young and inexperienced to be writing his own material.

    I have to confess that I just don’t understand why Jive allowed this to happen. Someone had to sign off on this album. If it needed a little help they should have sent him back to write or found him some new songs.

  • tibitibis

    No more indulging his insistence that he’s a “singer/songwriter.” He’s not. His writing is terrible, even with decent co-writer’s trying to help him out. He, like Gokey, just needs to sing what he’s told to sing if he wants any prayer of being successful in pop music.

    Terrible is a terrible word to describe his songwriter phase, i think he did well considerant this is his first time and that 10 of the songs from the album come from him; he’s progressing i’m sure he knows that too , to say all is good is exagerate the same that to say nothing is valuable. I really don’t think that all the songwriters write all the time good songs, in fact just a 20% of them achieve to have more than one hit .
    In my opinion the problem is that they don’t balanced well the positive lyrics with songs talking more about simple love or subjets more relatables to the teen/young adults world. and yes maybe they should balance the album better with at least 3 songs more from others songwriters .
    But tbh the lyrics of TOSOD (the title track), ‘Who i am’, ‘My Kind of perfect’ and even ‘The day after tomorrow’ are very good in my book, he’s improving and is better that many out there in terms of melodies and lyrics :)

  • anovich

    I think Jive has lost touch with what is being played on radio. It started with Jordin’s second single form her last album (which I can’t even remember the name of). I actually think LLWD doing so well was a complete lucky fluke for Kris. Based on Jordin’s single, TT, all of the songs they pushed out there for Allison, and now the similar confusion for all the songs they are pushing for Archie it just seems that the once smart and savvy Jive people have completely lost what works.

  • Kris

    Pop radio is very competitive and corporate driven. And only a few are breaking through on pop radio now. And most of those songs are about partying, sex, and trying to get with somebody. And David doesn’t fit that image. It makes me think of another artist that I love, Natasha, she is struggling to get played as well. And I don’t think that Jive did all they could to get stations to play SBL. But if they did all they could and Pop stations just don’t want to play his music then they need to be trying another format for David. I think that David has a few options on the album that would do well on HAC. They just need to pick a song and really push it on HAC. Send David on a real radio tour where he would be hitting all of the stations, not just the ones who are already playing him.

  • Incipit

    While I listened to this album’s live stream, I’m not a prospective customer. Still, I thought the themes were much better than the first one, like a voyage of self-discovery – whether that will go down very well with the target radio listeners IDK – I’m part of that statistic that doesn’t listen to it – and Pop radio is a foreign land.

    But one thing I noticed on Idol. Archie has a lovely lyric tenor voice. I know, he was Pageant trained and the melisma could get out of hand, but his vocals were mostly always en point for the genre of songs he was singing there.

    Whatever is being done with that in the studios to sound ‘pop’ – not working for me. I know the boy has a nice natural vibrato – (contrary to the late unlamented Kara’s opinion, vibrato is not a dirty word) and yet on FS there are notes so smoothed out that they have lost their timbre and resonance completely. When that happens, it’s not good – doesn’t even sound like Archie. The falsetto does have a forced sound – maybe that’s the studio too – but falsetto is not the sweet spot for his voice anyway. The whole thing has a contrived studio feel. JMO, Of Course.

    I wished success for him with a collection of good songs, sung in his natural tone, for this album – and I see that’s not what pop is currently – or the sort the label is aiming him towards…so I concur. Maybe get out of pop and sing for the fans who still wax rhapsodic about the ballads, and the tone of his voice, and will support and buy to a higher degree…because this market is not being kind. IMO.

  • brewster

    It appears that much of David’s original fan base has left him. Who really knows why? Based on the response to the current CD, it is quite evident that David will need additional support from demographics outside of the tween girls who want to hold his hand, and the 40-50 year old females who want to mother him.

  • kmd

    I hope that he does well with falling stars because I like the song. I think that it is a smart move to go to Asia because he is so well liked there. I also think that he needs a really popular tour partner when he tours the US. Like maybe Taylor Swift or someone like that. If that is an option. I think he could have used better producers on the album and maybe not so much of his own songwriting. He needs to increase his fan base somehow right now.

  • PRMari

    I feel like I’m reading a thread on Allison Iraheta and Jive’s bizarre ‘marketing’ and (non)promotional strategy. They just do NOT know what to do with their artists anymore.

  • djafan

    Whatever is being done with that in the studios to sound ‘pop’ – not working for me.

    Incipit have you heard David sing Falling Stars live?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw5L1Rq_Q74&feature=related

  • girlygirl

    Looks like Jive has decided to focus solely on Hot AC/AC with this single. This song sold decently on iTues when the album first dropped, but I don’t know if it will catch on with a big audience.I hope they try to promote this one a little better than they did with SBL and Elevator. Because if this one struggles, he isn’t going to get a 4th single off the album.

    (Stan: ??? Kris wrote or co-wrote most of the songs on his album. They weren’t “handed to him”)

  • Incipit

    djafan, I had not. Thank you. I also tried the New Albany version in the sidebar, because the sound was less muddy, and the crowd noise not so prominent.

    It’s a shame that tone is not on the album…since the album is what people have to go by…Archie didn’t need the electronic ‘help’.

    I hope his fanbase will start to do some of the heavy lifting, because Jive is jiving around. IMO. Of Course.

  • houstonrufus23

    Well, I don’t pretend to know about any of the industry or radio ins and outs. I know I like the album very much, including Falling Stars. As with everything, I wish David the best.

  • HappyDaisy

    Here is David’s most recent performance of Falling Stars. Fast forward to 2:50 (unless you also want to see partial TOSOD with Archudance). His performance of FS has improved over the short time he’s been singing it. I like it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMrOngP_aMg

    This was at the Eunice Kennedy Shriver Challenge in D.C. David was performing for a relatively small audience (don’t think the general public was invited, only participants) that included people with disabilities and he was so kind.

  • druzilla

    Huh. It’s one song I don’t really like on the album. Too sleepy. I wish he was doing better.

    Ditto X-Factor’s Joe McElderry whose lead single was shunned by corporate radio. He’s on to his 2nd single in just three weeks. Very troubling start. He has a similar problem to Archie… nice guy, very happy, upbeat, not edgy, very good voice, similar fan bases.

  • sue

    awww FS just got its first spin. *sniff sniff* Need to enjoy it while it lasts.

    Yay! I knew Jive was going to do this. They gave up on SBL and Elevator pretty quickly which sucks. I think SBL had a chance if it was promoted correctly. But it’s really tough in today’s market, hits are hard to make. I love “Falling Stars” and I was totally hoping that it would be the next single. I hope it does well. I also FLOVE MKOP, which I think could be a hit also. I think any teen girl or guy or anyone can relate to that song. I just hope that sales and radio play increases ASAP. I don’t want Jive to give up on David, he is just too good.

    Get David on Glee ASAP, tour with Taylor Swift. LOL…I know I am dreaming….heh

  • goboywonder

    I also love this album and am happy that Jive allowed David to make it. The reason this cd is not selling is because it’s not getting mainstream promotion. Period. Jive can put out every song on the cd and if they don’t push them, none will succeed. They keep saying, “it’s up to the fans”. No Jive, it’s up to David’s record label!

  • anovich

    No Jive, it’s up to David’s record label!

    This isn’t the first time Jive has done this with an artist. I just don’t understand how they expect David to get radio play with no PR/support, no noticeable push to radio, etc. PDs aren’t going to listen to fans who try and spam them.

  • kmd

    I gotta agree that it is up to JIVE to push this song. Did they put any money into David’s album? I do not think so. SBL could have been a hit.

  • LK10

    So, David may not be targeting “top 40?. He may have higher goals…maybe trying to remain true to himself and the belief that many, many more listeners in America really do prefer songs with lyrics about things that really matter in life!!

    Agree and think this is a great album. It is getting pretty good reviews. There is no doubt that as someone said upstream, if people don’t know it is out there, they won’t buy it. I keep running into people who have no idea he has a new album.

    David didn’t write these songs in a vacuum. He was working with other song writers, so saying he is a poor writer doesn’t make sense to me. The songs may not fit top 40 radio. Hallelujah in my opinion! Jive does just need to find a niche for David and they need to do a better job of promoting him.

  • Buffynut

    and the 40-50 year old females who want to mother him.

    Do you thinnk David had that many middle aged women fans? Most everyone I knew, who was a fan of David’s were tweens or early teens. The middle aged women were firmly in the Cook camp. That’s what happens with that tween group of fans, they outgrow their artists. His tween fans, from 2 1/2 years ago, are probably all into those sex and party songs now.

  • djafan

    The middle aged women were firmly in the Cook camp.

    Nope, I’m middle aged and firmly in David Archuleta’s camp along with hundreds of us. The majority of David’s fan sites are run by adult women not teens. Been to many of his events and I’d say there is such a diverse age, I’d estimate 50/50.

  • sue

    His tween fans, from 2 1/2 years ago, are probably all into those sex and party songs now.

    Nah, they are buying the Taylor Swift album for $3.99 on amazon. lol. David just need better promos, I don’t know why radio has given up on him so fast. He needs support from his fans and his label and his management. Lets hope this single will strike a chord with radio fast. :)

  • kaycee

    Low promo…low sales.

    Too bad because this is a really great album. It’s hard to determine what mainstream listeners think of this new album if they don’t know it exists.

  • jaybee

    I DON’T believe it! I was actually joking after they announced David would have a quick new single,(many said “new first single”) with “Elevator”,last month,and I stated on MJ’S-”at this rate,they’ll probably release another new first single come Halloween”,and I was literally joking,and I am astonished that I was right…

  • lucy

    I dont think he cares all that much for the commercial aspect of songs, like radio songs. He’s made the distinction between radio songs and non a few times. Sometimes he’ll be like, oh thats a song for radio, etc etc. paraphrasing here. lol

    Well, this confuses me, though. Because every time somebody (okay, usually me … ) says that maybe David would do better in a genre other than pop, like classical crossover or jazz or AC ballads or something, many fans say — and I think they probably know what they’re talking about and are probably paraphrasing David’s own sentiments — No, no, David loves pop and wants to be a pop singer! … But isn’t pop all about radio songs? How can he love pop and aspire to pop and yet disparage radio songs? Something doesn’t compute.

    Honestly, to me his strengths are the beautiful voice, the musicianship, and the love of melody. Meanwhile, pop is all about radio songs. So, to me, David’s best bet is to take a step back, figure out a genre that he can like and that values his very significant talents, and start crafting a solid career in whatever niche that is. If he keeps on trying at pop — Well, one way or another that’s about radio songs.

  • Stan

    Honestly, to me his strengths are the beautiful voice, the musicianship, and the love of melody. Meanwhile, pop is all about radio songs. So, to me, David’s best bet is to take a step back, figure out a genre that he can like and that values his very significant talents, and start crafting a solid career in whatever niche that is. If he keeps on trying at pop — Well, one way or another that’s about radio songs.

    I agree with that analysis! But…David and Jive are trying to introduce him in pop radio with a hit or two and then as he matures in style and talents, he can do anything. Look at Buble who is making it on pop radio, and even Jason Mraz, for that matter. They are making it to pop radio, and they don’t fit “pop” IMO. I think David is trying that route too. Making a song somewhat pop sounding with the beat, but adding his own personal style, lyrics, flavor to it to make it original. That will take a lot of hit and miss tries. I think this decision to add several songs quickly is a great idea. Jive, like all music companies, right now, are struggling. They cannot spend the money they used to on every emerging artist.
    I do think the fans can help and request and organize a bit more. Quit worrying about who they will offend and work as teams in areas to continually request on their local radio stations. They have a voice and need to let it be heard. And they need to be consistently adding to online Music Surveys like HitPredictor and stuff. I know they do, but I don’t see all the fansites promoting this consistently and making it available.

  • Kris

    David did a really great interview with Something Pitchy where he talked about what he wanted for this album. He said there were songs that he really loved that he knew wouldn’t make the album because they weren’t about being the best pop songs,they were just about telling a story. He said that maybe one day he could share them with people but he wasn’t at that point yet in his career. He was still doing the pop thing and working with the label. He talked about compromising with the label and having to meet in the middle so both sides are happy. He wanted to make an album that was fun, youthful, but wasn’t careless. The problem is pop music, right now, is about carelessness. I think David has always been more of a HAC artist than a pop one. The artists that he enjoys listening to and that he looks up to are HAC artists. I don’t think that is what his label wants for him though.

    I don’t think that David should be marginalized by saying that he should only sing covers and ballads. David can do so much more than that and has proven that he can. I think he can have a successful career without being ballad boy or Susan Boyle. I like the songs that David wrote and I think he will continue to grow as a songwriter.

  • Stan

    I also don’t think David’s fanbase is decreasing. I am one and it has definitely been increasing. That analysis is definitely not true. But the promotion is key!!!
    One note to remember about pop or even AC radio. They cater to females age 20-40, 30 being the main focal point. Females that age want to listen to male singers that age. David is not there yet. yes, he sings much more maturely than most 19 year olds. That is a fact and pop radio is going to decide on songs based upon that number one fact! The singer’s appeal to that demographic.
    Jive and David are doing what they can to retain his name and hoping,I think, to make steps towards that demographic, which will not happen until he reaches 20 or so. It takes time. Jive has that and fans don’t always see that.

  • lucy

    But…David and Jive are trying to introduce him in pop radio with a hit or two and then as he matures in style and talents, he can do anything. Look at Buble who is making it on pop radio, and even Jason Mraz, for that matter. They are making it to pop radio, and they don’t fit “pop” IMO. I think David is trying that route too.

    I guess what strikes me about this comparison, though, is that I’d say these guys *started* in a rather different niche than radio pop, grew their popularity in those niches, and *then* were able to begin getting played on pop-format radio. ….

    To me, that’s kind of the core problem that many of the AIers have, actually.

    Except for a few corporation-produced-to-blueprint hot properties like Bieber, or whatever, most people grow into being really popular stars after starting by being totally themselves in some more niche-y area. (and, yeah, for some of those people the niche is pop — but I think it’s more complicated than that. Gaga, for example, is a pop star now, but a few years ago when she was starting out, her niche was “weird sort of poppish but also sort of indie-ish theatrical club performer”).

    For most singers, you start in some sort of niche (which could be a local niche, but is often a somewhat-less-than-poppy genre niche, as well), and then as you grow your popularity, if you’re good enough — and David and many other AI alums certainly *are* “good enough”! — and have a style that can be loved by masses, you may well catch on with the public to the extent that your stuff gets picked up by pop radio and so on, and *then* you put out the really “radio-friendly” pop songs.

    But when you come off AI, you’re pretty much forced to do it the opposite way — make a splash at pop *immediately,* even though hardly anybody who comes off the show is really specializing in whatever the main thread of pop radio music is doing at the exact moment they’re forced to debut in it. …. And that’s way the heck harder, seems to me, no matter *how* talented they are (and quite a few, like David A. as a shining example, are *very* talented). But because they’re being asked to grow a pop career that way, they’re handicapped, I think.

    I can definitely see David having the experience of a Buble at pop, as you say.

    But I have a much harder time seeing him — or just about anyone, actually — successfully navigate the kind of *reverse* road that AI puts them on. Because on the reverse road, you are not allowed the time to develop either your own style or a solid fanbase that loves your style, as people like Buble have done — to earn audience acceptance over time. Instead, you’re immediately thrown into the most ruthless, and cookie-cutter, format of all, and, to be considered as “making it,” you have to have at *least* a string of Top-20 hits (and I’ve even seen people saying that that isn’t enough — that you need a string of Top-10 hits.) right off the bat in one of the hot radio-friendly modes of the exact moment you arrive, or in some mode that will get to be one of those one-off styles that they play big-time only once in a while. That requires not only talent but a tremendous amount or luck, which is, by definition, completely unpredictable.

    Better, for people with talent, to earn their way into being big popular stars, rather than having to produce these rabbits out of hats, I think. (plus, if you get to do a niche-ier thing first, then you will probably always have that niche to make a long-term independent-level career out of, should your try at pop fail. But if you are pushed into pop first, and it doesn’t go so well, you’ll have to go back later to square one and try to establish that niche later anyway, to get a career at all.)

  • reinharv

    I think David has a lot of older fans because those moms, grandmas and grandpas loved him during his stint at A.I. He certainly doesn’t have the teen/college crowd or the 20-30s age group. I mean that older age demographics are suckers for kids. I see Justin Bieber on every tween magazine I see at the grocery, week after week. He did have a lot of tween fans at the time but tweens are kind of fickle. They move onto other hot tween stars like that Justin Bieber kid. Jive may have assumed that DA would do just as well as when he came off A.I. where a lot of people bought multiple copies of his albums thereby giving an impression he had more fans. We all know that’s not true for any Idol just coming off the show especially with fan wars Idol viewers are so good at. A lot of people bought his CD and multiple copies of it because they liked him and also because they wanted his debut to be good thereby buying more than one copy.

    With Jive releasing his 3rd single so soon after his album dropped, it’s not a good sign but I guess they are hoping something will finally make a mark. I just don’t see David as “pop” at all. He just doesn’t fit that mold at all. I never thought they should have marketed him as pop from the get-go. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see him as ever being a big popular star but more as an artist having his own niche. There is just too much competition out there and people just aren’t buying albums. However, I think Jive has promoted him quite well. Promotion costs money – tons of it and David has to pay for it too but so far they aren’t getting the kind of “returns” they probably expected.

  • HappyDaisy

    David’s Christmas from the Heart, MP3 format, is on sale at amazon for $5.00. If you decide to take advantage of this great bargain, be sure to use MJ’s amazon link in the box on right, top of webpage.

    Liking the potential comparisons to Michael Buble much better than ones mentioning Groban and Boyle! :)

  • lucy

    David’s Christmas from the Heart, MP3 format, is on sale at amazon for $5.00. If you decide to take advantage of this great bargain, be sure to use MJ’s amazon link in the box on right, top of webpage.

    Cool. Thanks for the heads-up on this.

  • frogcooke

    i doubt anyone is still reading, but the comment about vibrato and FS. Actually I think eman didnt want him using his vibrato on it much to make it sound a bit different. Im not sure of the exact explaination but it was mentioned somewhere.

  • Incipit

    Actually I think eman didnt want him using his vibrato on it much to make it sound a bit different. Im not sure of the exact explaination but it was mentioned somewhere.

    Frogcooke, that’s interesting, because to my ear, it made the notes in question sound harsh, almost metallic. They had no natural texture, and were not pleasant to listen to….which is why the difference jumped out at me – although I attributed it to studio tools, because it wasn’t Archie’s usual vocal quality. Not easy for someone with a natural vibrato to shut it down on command, and weird, because many singers have to learn to use it properly – not the opposite. In this instance, different didn’t equal good idea, KWIM? Perhaps a more self assured artist would have said, ‘no’ – after hearing the playback.

    Thanks for the explanation, anyway – I don’t follow the Archie news and never saw that, I merely wished success for him on this album. I think they could stop messing with his voice just about any time, and let him sing. But that’s JMO.

  • Stan

    yet on FS there are notes so smoothed out that they have lost their timbre and resonance completely. When that happens, it’s not good – doesn’t even sound like Archie. The falsetto does have a forced sound – maybe that’s the studio too

    I think the variance of smooth and falsetto with some very deep tones make Falling Stars stand out for me. I personally like that variance! I like the smooth at moments in the beginning and then the build.
    But, actually, I do think this song was one of the first to produce and it seems a bit too perfect. I think a little more emotion as in Good Place would have been my preference. David shows much more depth in that song IMO.

  • Stan

    that’s interesting, because to my ear, it made the notes in question sound harsh, almost metallic. They had no natural texture, and were not pleasant to listen to

    “you are so beautiful” at the end in those very high notes has no metallic sound. It sounds natural, airy, breathtakingly fresh! Complete opposite feel from me. Interesting that you describe it as metallic. Never heard that one about David. He gets them all though. His voice is the most critiqued voice from AI singers. I guess he has a quality to his voice that demands attention, whether it be negative or positive. He is unique!!
    But that ending where he sings so high and so natural, then down to a very deep, low “you are so beautiful” you have to admit that is quite surreal. And the ending note! What do you think of that? That one resonates! Their is timbre there. You can’t deny it!!!

  • Stan

    Harsh has never been a word I’ve seen described of David either.

  • archiedoll

    I hope his fanbase will start to do some of the heavy lifting, because Jive is jiving around. IMO. Of Course.

    Actually, that’s a pretty heated topic right now. David and his fanbase been doing all of the heavy lifting for 2 years. While Jive has been doing, let me think, umm..nothing!

    And I’m pretty sure David’s not interested in singing ballads for awhile. Anyone hoping for that might be hoping ’til they die. lol.

    And yes. Eman wanted David to sound “unlike” himself in FS. I can’t remember the reason for sure, but I think he wanted him to step out of character and convey a very strong emotion or something like that.

  • chessguy99

    This looks like Jive just throwing out singles in a desperate attempt to get something to catch fire. IMHO, Jive and David agree to go their separate ways by next summer, as Sony sheds another Idol alumni.