David Archuleta and Miley Cyrus Duet – Early Peek – VIDEO

Haha. I am an unashamed Hannah Montana fan. And I am far from my teen years and I don’t have any kids to blame it on either. lol

I really liked that clip and David did a good job. :D

This actually sounds good (very Top 40 friendly!). They should definitely release it – this would blow up. Maybe not as big as “No Air” but who knows, this is Miley Cyrus.

“Oh no when I called you thought I was David Cook.” That was adorable. Not only can Archie sing, but he is a good actor too. If I were a teen, I would be crushin’ on him. Love him!

LOL “When I called you thought I was David Cook.”

OK…I’m eating my hat….I still am not thrilled with David going the tween route and I have never liked Miley….but

Kudos, the kids did OK, the song sounds good, hopefully they will release it, David’s acting skills aren’t half bad, and I enjoyed watching the clip.

He did really good! Looks like a cute episode….I have a child to blame it on but I too am a fan of the show ha! I’ll admit that I was even going out of my way to make time to see the movie. The song is cute, I can already hear my tween nieces singing it over and over and over and over….

The David Cook line was funny – isn’t that just about what Cook said at one of his tour shows about coming to see David A? Too funny.

I love this! and surprisingly like the song and they sound well together

I still am not thrilled with David going the tween route and I have never liked Mileyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.but

why are you not thrilled? the tween market was his core audience when he was on idol… why wouldn’t he be marketed towards that audience…? thats where his money is. lol

and im ashamed to say this as a 22 yr old straight guy… but i kind of liked that song… :/

The song is pretty good. The Cook line was priceless. Funny stuff.

You know, I have to say, I like this much more than I was expecting. David’s voice sounds great on it. They harmonize well together. Very catchy and cute.

^^ I was all ready to go crazy ninja on this with miley singing.. but it sounds good! Who knew? lol

and im ashamed to say this as a 22 yr old straight guyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ but i kind of liked that songà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ :/

Heh. Don’t worry, we won’t tell. Unless any of your friends log in here. Then you are TOAST buddy. But not for a small fee. Email me.

I’m saying TPTB, put that thing on ITunes! There is money to be made people. My kid is going to sing that song everyday for 2 weeks anyway, at least then she’d know the right words. She still sings “best you go girl” instead of “best of both worlds”. LOL.

Yay! I love Archie. And I feel sorta like… an outcast… idk if I should be embarassed about this or not… but I’m a fan of Miley too. But I guess that’s just cause I’m a young teen or whatevs.

Oh, btw, MJ. Paula tweeted that Natalie Cole would be performing on one of the results shows. Or something like that. LOL.

Wow – I’m pleasantly surprised and quite impressed. David’s acting has come a long way since iCarly and I really enjoyed his duet with Miley. I wonder if they’ll release that song eventually. I think it would do well.

I am shocked at how well this song turned out!
David must have some natural skills because he had really good comedic timing in the ” tonight” part! This was a treat!

If Archie can capture the teen/Disney audience, he’d be GOLDEN and this could be the perfect opportunity to grab that audience.

I’m so shocked at how much I like this song. I was expecting some really cheesy, Hannah Montana song, but it really sounds soo good. I think it just might be they’re voices coming together sounds really good.

Aww, he did a great job! His “acting” was pretty bad on iCarly, but this was great and the song was cute.

Hannah Montana isn’t exactly “must see TV” with my kids, but I wouldn’t pretend I had something to do in another room if they wanted me to watch this with them.

They should definitely release this song! It’s catchy and will be bought by both David and Miley fans (huge market)

I agree that his acting has improved and was really cute.

That song is going to be stuck in my head for the rest of the day!

Good job David and Miley!!!

That was actually pretty cute and I enjoyed the song.

I love the geek kid from this who is in the insurance commercial ’16 going on 17′

He’s just so freaking lovely……I mean I smile every time I see him. This was really cute. They sound great together. David Archuleta was made for both audio and visual media, as he can really sing anything and he’s just really camera friendly. I think there will be movies in his future too. Thank God I have kids….:)

and im ashamed to say this as a 22 yr old straight guyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ but i kind of liked that songà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ :/

And I feel sorta likeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ an outcastà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ idk if I should be embarassed about this or notà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a fan of Miley too.

No reason for anyone to be embarrassed. The big myth has always been that David’s fans are tween girls between the age of 9 and 13. In actuality, he has fans of all ages including many guys. It really is ok.

I love it, and he HAS come a long way since icarly. I am SO proud of him.

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Thank God I have kidsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.:)

Abbysee- My kids are all young adults and love David, but I would go on my own to his concert or movie, without a second thought.

Does anyone know if they might release this song?

Thanks so much mj for the really good vid.

David and Miley both did a great job and I wanna hear the whole song lol.

Hahahahaha. I love Archie. The Cook line was classic! I also want to hear the whole song now! :)

Oh gross, I actually like this song… someone punch me.

David A can sing and he is adorable.So Miley gets hit by a football in the nose and has to wear an ugly bandage? No wait that is Jan from the Brady Bunch…kind of similar story sans football …
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I actually liked what I see of the episode, and the song is good…Go David…

ETA.

Oh gross, I actually like this songà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ someone punch me.

Only is you punch me… I like it too…

ETAA.

Abbysee- My kids are all young adults and love David, but I would go on my own to his concert or movie, without a second thought.

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IÂ ´ll go with you :D

The song is catchy! The arial view of the city when the song starts looks like the beginning of a video, hmmmmm, wonder if that’s already in the can. Acting MUCH improved over icarly. This clip was cute as all get out. Thanks MJ!

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just so freaking lovelyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I mean I smile every time I see him.

Ain’t that the truth. I just watched the entire episode with my 7-year-old (lucky FIOS customers are we). We were lounging on the bed, but the minute David came on the screen she shot upright! It was very cute, and yes, I grinned.

I did notice that David gets all the riffs that require actual vocal skill, while Miley gets a bunch of yeah-yeah-yeahs.

On the downside, it was our first HM episode (she has always, to my relief, considered herself a non-fan), and about 10 minutes in she said, “I changed my mind. I love Hannah Montana.”

*sigh*

ETA:

Everyone involved learns an important life lesson. The end. Heh.

OMG, MJ, that’s exactly what my daughter just told her dad. “Everyone learns a really important lesson at the end.” lol!

I mentioned in the headlines thread that I too thought Archie’s acting has come a long way since iCarly, but after watching the clip *coughmanytimesovercough* again, I think a big part of the reason he’s much more natural in Hannah is that the version of himself here is much closer to his real self than the iCarly version of himself … ’cause, you know, Archie could never really be as evil as his iCarly self (although it was great fun to see him give it a try!), but Archie being random (onion bagel), self depreciating (DC reference … which btw, made my ArchCook self squee inside), gracious and understanding, especially of a moral reason … I mean, that’s so David.

I haven’t over analyzed him at all over the year. Really … :ohoh_ee:

Also, this is why I try to stay away from Disney pop. The more I listen to it the more the damn fluffy stuff gets stuck in my head. Gah. Darn you David.

The more I listen to it the more the damn fluffy stuff gets stuck in my head.

I know, this song is (gasp!) almost as catchy as Crush.

No wait that is Jan from the Brady Bunchà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

LOL, actually, it was Marcia. (….and yes, I am kinda embarrassed to admit that I know that. Heh heh.)

But David…I don’t think anyone needs to worry about being his fan…*says the fangirl!!!* Sheesh, even my hubby admits he’s a fangirl now…YEA!!! :D

GREAT JOB, David! You continue to amaze us with your growth, your multifaceted talent, and your concern for the world!!!!

My little sister love the song… :D

I’m an unashamed Hannah Montana fan. LOL. Okay, take out the unashamed part. :)

But I just wanted to say that whoever manages Archie needs to release this song STAT. It’s catchy and cute–and the kiddies (myself included) will eat it up! It’s like the little-kid version of the Mraz-Colbie Lucky duet.

Marcia of course… thanks for the correction been awhile..

Oy vey…I need a double-dose of insulin STAT.

It’s the performance equivalent of jujubes…they taste okay at the time, but then they get stuck in your teeth and knock all of your fillings out.

In short, ick.

Wow. I really, really liked that. I only have good things to say this time. After the debacle that was ICarly, I was so sure this was going to be a trainwreck. But he delivered his lines coherently, didn’t look scared of the girl this time, and managed not to look tense and awkward. And the song was really cute and catchy. MAJOR upgrade.

…and I can just imagine Jeff watching this with $$$ signs in his eyes…

I don’t care if they are trying to capture the tween demo, I’m 32 and I want to download this song LOL

Aww okay, I’m not an archie fan but that was cute.

Never in a million years did I think I would be more pleased with David’s appearance on Hannah Montana than I would be with his performance on AI. If you’d told me that a week ago I would have thought you were crazy. Go figure.

Wonder what they’ll do with this song….Put it in a Miley cd, or maybe in Archie’s next cd or put it on itunes as a single now….any buzz on this? Anybody know or heard anything? This little tune is going to do really well I think. Hope they strike while the iron is hot!

lol American Idol was mentioned in a joke in Law & Order Criminal Intent

Actually, that’s a radio friendly good summer song. They should release it. (and David did pretty well in the acting dept,too!)

Wow, fourty or so comments and only one bad one about the song? Insane.

I like (love) Hannah Montana. David was adorable with the onion breath and the David Cook joke. Their voices work well together and I wouldn’t mind having this stuck in my head all day.

IÂ ´ll go with you :D

Cruz- if you ever come my direction, we will go together!

That was cute. Really, and I so hate myself for saying that. Miley looks and acts like she should be about 2 to 3 years older than David.

It will most likely show up on Radio Disney soon.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and I can just imagine Jeff watching this with $$$ signs in his eyesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Ugh. Yes.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and I can just imagine Jeff watching this with $$$ signs in his eyesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Jeff loves his son, and David loves having his Dad be his manager. I am happy to give my money to that family, so David can do what he loves and does so well.

Wow., I’m not much of a Hannah fan but i actually liked the song. They should releae the song soon.

Jeff loves his son, and David loves having his Dad be his manager

Or, this is all David knows. We really don’t know do we?

I love David but everything I’ve seen and heard from Jeff… :zip_ee:

I have followed David closely since AI, and I haven’t heard anything that disturbing from Jeff. Oh well. YMMV

Hey, David had some good acting moments in that set of scenes. He’s actually pretty funny. Good timing. Loved the David Cook line, though that wasn’t one of his better moments.

I’ve never imagined I would love HM and this duet. David is cute, funny, and adorable. He’s improved a lot. Way better than iCarly. Bagle and David cook are really funny. haha. This is surprisingly catchy and fun to listen. I cannot stop listening to this. Kudos to David and Miley.

I love David but everything Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve seen and heard from Jeffà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Exactly. He’s so shady, it’s unbelievable. I have serious issues with stage parents. And sports parents too. That shit doesn’t fly with me.

And can someone PLEASE explain to me why Jeff is taking backstage videos of his son in the UK and posting them on Youtube? Out of LOVE? I saw it on VFTW. His username is “archjazz” or something. That’s infuriating. What kind of parent does that?

Either way, I hope David can find success in his disney ventures.

I still am not thrilled with David going the tween route and I have never liked Mileyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.but

why are you not thrilled?

As I’ve said before, I just don’t like the whole commercial aspect of the Tween industry. Singing to the tweens is OK but I don’t like all of the lunch box, T shirts, paper dolls, bed linens, school supplies ya know all that stuff marketed to 10 to 12 year olds that they feel necessary to spend all their allowance on or bug their parents for. I just think it is too much and it annoys me. That’s just my take on it….others don’t feel this way and that is great too.

The song is catchy and hopefully it will help David’s long term career. I also think he could really develop into a fine young actor….his comedic timing is great and he, somewhat surprisingly, seems to be a natural in front of the camera. Good for him!

Cruz- if you ever come my direction, we will go together!

Yes, we will… and if you ever come to Honduras I will give you a tour…

And can someone PLEASE explain to me why Jeff is taking backstage videos of his son in the UK and posting them on Youtube? Out of LOVE? I saw it on VFTW. His username is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“archjazzà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or something. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s infuriating. What kind of parent does that?

I don ´t think Jeff is in UK… and I haven ´t heard anything bad about Jeff, beside the :sealed_tb: that TMZ said, and I haven ´t see any prove about it…

ETA

He is.

Oh well… anyone show me evidence that Jeff is an stage parent from Hell and I will joint your war against Jeff, until then, IÂ ´m going to listen to this song for the 28 time today…

Wow, wasn’t expecting that. The duet actually sounded… good! :blink_tb: Someone kill me now.

And David’s acting skills have improved so much since iCarly. Wasn’t expecting that, either. :)

urrrrgggh this is the type of stuff I am talking about…..I was worried those vids would show up on VFTW…just like his standing right behind David on the stage when David was performing a few months ago…it’s like he can’t help himself, and he does these things that sabotage David’s image. :wallbash_tb:

Really cute. I’m probably more impressed than my kids. :)

I think David A. was really good in this.

Miley and David sound great together. I think David is just where he needs to be right now. Great job!

I don ´t think Jeff is in UKà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

He is.

As MJ’s always says, Let’s talk about David/Miley episode only. OT is not good.
Just one comment I’m glad he’s in UK with David who is “sick”.

The whole taping of the performances, its typical of ANY parent. Whenever I was in a play in school or participating in a sports event, my parents would whip out the video camera, because they were proud and they wanted to remember it. The same thing with Jeff. This is David’s first time touring internationally, and Jeff is probably soo proud of his son, that he wants to remember it. He probably posts it on youtube because he knows how much his fans appreciate being able to see the videos too.

If Jeff is in the UK shooting vids of David and posting it on Youtube, then I can assure you he is doing it for David’s fans, who are very appreciative to watch them. I don’t even understand what other alterior motive he could possibly have to put them up.

OMG, this song is now thoroughly stuck in my head. Help!

Ahem …

As much as it pains me to see Archie go down the tween Disney pop route, that is his best market at this point. What gives me some ease is that his talent and passion for music way overshadows the majority of the Disney pop stars who seem to be in it more for the cool image and spotlight. In that way, I think David has much more potential of outlasting them after either they or their target market outgrow the other. Case in point: Hilary Duff. Enough said.

Now, if we can get him to loosen up enough to show us those moves that we know he’s got…he’ll have to beat them off with a stick.

LOL That actually has some sweet and funny dialogues, not much into the song but I laughed at some parts, it’s not that bad of a show! My first time watching HM!

Psst David, Scotland is UK ;) Other than that, good performances!

ugh, why do people believe the Adam/Kris feud is fabricated, but not the Jeff Archuleta / stage dad story? It’s the SAME FRICKING THING! AI needed to create controversy where there was none. David has addressed it all numerous times. David’s also explained how happy he is to have his father co-manage his career, because he makes decisions based upon what’s best for David, not because it might be the most profitable. Innumerable people have met Jeff and have all said how genuinely nice he is. The only negative comments I’ve seen about him are from those that have had no personal dealings with him, and are choosing to believe what they’ve read on-line. Rant over. Thanks.

I didn’t expect to love that so much lol. Their voices blend well and I loved his acting <3

About Jeff, he’s a proud parent who loves his son. It’s actually been a really long time since he’s been on the road with him. He wasn’t there towards the end of his solo tour and didn’t go to Asia with him. David has said he gets angry about the rumors, but he knows it just comes with the territory. People can believe whatever they want though.

Now, if we can get him to loosen up enough to show us those moves that we know heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s gotà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll have to beat them off with a stick.

Yes! lol, I’ve heard he’s good at salsa and merengue but is too embarrassed about it to really show off. Maybe someday he will embrace his Latino dance moves..

edit: cut the sarcasm

Yes! lol, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve heard heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s good at salsa and merengue but is too embarrassed about it to really show off. Maybe someday he will embrace his Latino dance moves..

Yeah. And his family says he can dance. There’s also the new vids coming out of the birthday party last week that David was unable to attend. His mom and aunts (and several cousins) all have serious moves (and his mom is a great singer to boot)…so I find I DO NOT BELIEVE HIM when he says he can’t dance. heh He’s shown some glimpses here and there when he gets into a song and kinda forgets himself for a minute. Let it gooooo David! haha!

edit: cut the defensiveness and the sarcasm please.

Wow – Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pleasantly surprised and quite impressed. Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s acting has come a long way since iCarly and I really enjoyed his duet with Miley. I wonder if theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll release that song eventually.

I agree with everyone who’s been saying that his acting was much more natural. I felt no cringing at all for this one, except for the onion bagel joke–but that’s the writer’s fault. (These shows have such cheap, lame jokes–its like watching “Diff’rent Strokes, the Miley Way”.)

And they did sound good together. She’s not a very strong singer, so I was surprised, but she handled the brief jumps into her head voice nicely, and singing a little higher for her really lightened her voice.

Regarding a release, didn’t they both just release CDs last year? I guess it would be a year or two, right?

Funny that people are freaking out about Jeff posting videos of David because there are thousands and thousands of videos of David.

edit: don’t turn this into a fan war.

Dial back the sarcasm and the defensiveness people. Everyone is entitled to an opinion here.

Seriously, I’ve said this before. If you can’t handle criticism of your favorite, you shouldn’t be reading. Folks who are on a crusade? Please don’t bother.

Wow I actually like the duet! and David’s acting is much improved. WTG David.

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s shown some glimpses here and there when he gets into a song and kinda forgets himself for a minute. Let it gooooo David! haha!

yeah, I think he just needs to get more comfortable with it : )

The song is stuck in my head now lol

Hey I love David. I’m basing my opinion on Jeff’s own comments I’ve seen and read in videos and chats. I just think sometimes he’s too pushy and does more harm than good. I do think the label or Azoff may have had a chat with him recently, because he has made himself somewhat less visible in the last few months, which is a good thing.

I hope David will gain more independence as he gets older. It will be good for his self-confidence, artistry, and image.

Peace.

David is such a sweetheart. He’s really improved on his acting and the song is very cute. I just love sunshine-y people like David

I actually think Miley has a very good/interesting voice. and i like the song. they sound very good together. i wonder if the whole song will be available?

Hey Jeff was doing a good job staying quiet. I didn’t even know he went to the UK with David till that mention of him posting of David’s vids on youtube. It’s totally fine to do it if you are not a celebrity, but not especially when there are stage dad rumours going round. I don’t think he is a stage dad, but imo Jeff is a littletoo involved in David’s career. I don’t think David’s family should be close to fans either, not professional imo. When you are close to the fans, everything you do for David is because you know the fans would love to see it and you know how appreciative they are. Still, doesn’t sound right to me.

Exactly. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s so shady, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s unbelievable. I have serious issues with stage parents. And sports parents too. That shit doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t fly with me.

Everything I needed to know about Jeff Archuleta came out loud and clear in those divorce papers the Enquirer got ahold of (public record, no need to fake ‘em). He was ready to bury David’s mother until David won all that money in Star Search. THAT was the real Jeff Archuleta. The other real Jeff Archuleta is the guy who never wants to be more than 5 feet away from his son’s spotlight.

As far as the Hannah Montana thing goes, any bit of rub DA can snag from Miley is probably a good thing for him at this point. The show itself? Sappy.

Either way, I hope David can find success in his disney ventures.Jeff will stop messing around in David’s career as soon as he pushes Daniel onto American Idol or some other talent show.

Well said searay. I sense much love and respect from each side. Jeff and management seem to be doing a wonderful job promoting D.A. I don’t think it’s a matter of if, but a matter of when their duet will be released.

I think the duet will be released because that was probably part of the whole point in David’s appearance. Excellent promotion for both him and Miley. The song would be a big hit, I believe.

And someone sure raised David right. From all accounts, he seems to be a genuinely wonderful human being.

I doubt the song will be released as a single. Right now Miley’s label is focusing on her movie soundtrack.

He sounds amazing in “Angel” in Newcastle .. UK shows him alot of loves. Gotta thanks Jeff for recording those priceless clips.

^^^ I was kinda nervous about him singing Angels over there. But they loved it! woooo!

Each season Hannah Montana has a soundtrack. The one for this season is rumored to come out in June. The song may be on that soundtrack.

wow, i love this song!! David is adorable and he did a really good job on the song and the acting! bravo david!
speaking of hannah montana, i have a very good friend…..26 year old married male, who LOVES hannah montana. he has seen every episode. needless to say, he watches all those episodes by himself, hehe.

Aww, suhweeet! The song is pretty catchy, and the acting ain’t half bad either! As for Jeff…I think he’s a bit too conspicuous sometimes. But, hey. What do I know?

arrgggggg…. i need to listen to this whole song…. BAH curse you david…

The HM episode, on top of the announced Disney tour, should make any fan over sixteen cringe. The acting was pretty nauseating, though the song was okay. But Archie’s appeal on AI last year was due to his masterful renditions of classic ballads–appealing to a mature audience as well as teens. A good part of that audience was comprised of people who looked to Archie to produce material commensurate with his talent. Since then he’s put out an album of over-produced pop tunes. Now this pre-teen stuff. So the decision’s been made to ignore at least half his fans. This may be smart commercially–but it makes for lousy music.

Hey long time no talk praepos.. how’s it going? Good to see you enjoyed HM very much. ;)

am liking the clip of david and miley, and this song. david’s proving to be extremely versatile…. versatility has always been his secret weapon… that versatility as a budding actor and songwriter, paired with his unassailably proven talent as a master vocalist and dynamic concert performer seem to bode well for his continued growth into a very well rounded artist and entertainer…… what we may be witnessing is the natural progression of a very young and uber talented individual who has many options and avenues available to him for success, and one who will always keep us guessing and entertained and he matures..

it is a joy to watch his career unfold, to see the different avenues, here and abroad, that are opening up, and adding to his growth as an individual, and an artist. he showed his fearlessness last night in newcastle by singing another stunning and fantastically received rendition of ”angels”…. by daring to ”go there” in singing a song considered somewhat sacred in the uk, and not knowing what the reception would be shows me this dude has not only the talent, but the cajones to go the distance…. wherever it may take him….. from hm to ”angels”…. loving it all…….. :thumbup_tb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBmkVDgBsFc&eurl=http://www.thedavidchronicles.com/2009/04/taking-hold-in-the-uk/&feature=player_embedded

I have to say when I heard the first few notes of Angels on the cellcast… I got a bit nervous… I was like oooohh he’s doing angels.. hmmm. :gulp_ee:

But they seemed to love it.

“Exactly. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s so shady, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s unbelievable. I have serious issues with stage parents. And sports parents too. That shit doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t fly with me.”

Gosh I cheer in competition and my mom and grandma support me. Does that make them bad?

BTW cheer is a sport if ya don’t know.

mj i wouldn’t have said nothin but its my mom ya know and i think parents are special.

Thanks again for the vid and David was wow!

You know David is a very impressive young man just based on his tenacity. Many people go through life being procrastinators and never really fulfill their potentials because of the lack of productivity.

I read in an interview once where he was talking about gettng straight A’s in school till he finally got a B for spanish due to the workload of idol. For everything he does, I just get the impression that this young man works really hard. And his formula for getting his A’s, no its not smarts, he said basically he put in the extra hours.

Lip service is so easily paid to rip on others for this and that but when someone like him constantly puts in the effort to improve, sometimes its good to just cheer them on and be of good sport.

This performance to me was really good. He sang his heart out, he acted his gut out… everything about this boy is meticulous … he knows he’s not the best but he always always tries and thats why he is so special.

Thanks for this clip… it was so great to watch and yes… the song is stuck in my head now too… dang it! :)

The acting was on a par with any high school play performance–that is to say, it was nothing to brag about. Professionally it was pretty sub-standard. This is not a demonstration of versatility or talent, it’s a whole-hog embrace of childishness. Where’s the Archie of DLTSGDOM? Where’s the Archie of Imagine? Where’s the Archie of Heaven? He ought to at least be aiming for the college level crowd, not twelve-year-olds.

a very astute observation observer14…. david has had everything, including the kitchen sink and the garage lobbed at him to detract from or slow down his momentum, but he always seems to rise above it all, and keep right on honing his craft – that smile and his dignity intact.

i love a fighter, the kind of tenacity in a person who takes and rolls with the punches and keeps coming at ya….. a person like that is to be watched, and a little feared…. most of us ”adults” would have long cracked and crumbled under that kind pressure and scrutiny… he hasn’t. we hide behind screen names on message boards to do our thing, but he’s front row and center, not letting the negatives he receives, warranted or unwarranted, keep him from learning, and growing and getting better and better with each endeavor. i think he knows he is still very much a work in progress, he seems keenly aware of his limitations, but it doesn’t seem to stop him from facing and staring down those fears, the distractions and detractors, and keep on keeping on…. it’s that fighting spirit, his apparent joy in singing, coupled with a willingness to remain open to learning, to trying new things, while remaining teachable that impresses me about him… hope i never get to old, cynical or too hip for the room to ever lose sight of those qualities in a person…. :wink1_tb:

How does someone “face his fears” and overcome negatives if all he receives from fans is lavish praise–even when he doesn’t perform that well? His singing on this clip was all right–but the acting was poor and the whole situation problematic career-wise since this sort of thing ties him more closely to Disney. That’s not what we had hoped he would achieve when we watched him during S7. Just the opposite. It’s what the bashers dismissively said he was good for–the kind of fluff this episode represents. Real fans wanted just the opposite. We wanted him to run as far away from Disney as possible. Now too many seem to be settling for anything to get him noticed, even when it’s crap. Sorry, but that’s not doing him or his career any favors.

ggdoorsfan: Agreed.

praepos: 12 year olds buy music (through pestering the parents esp when it comes with really attractive gift with purchses like posters)… sadly… college students and most adult these days download theirs illegally… David once said he hopes to make enough to keep his dream alive to keep on singing but realistically he should get an education as a fallback plan.

Artistes these days have it really hard esp singers, here today gone tomorrow. Just checked out Elliot’s comments about how hard it is to get his music played. Its all about P&A. Large labels put big money on A list star promotions. David got unknowns to direct his MVs, Cook got Wayne Isham (Britney and Bon Jovi’s regular mv director). Where are they gonna be next year we don’t know as every idol cycle brings new talent and old fans starts to wander.

I think whatever David is doing with Disney is brilliant. Much as everyone loves to criticise the mouse, A-listers like Britney, Justin, Ryan Gosling, Christina, Miley, Zac, Jonas made fortunes thanks to their launching platform. With their heavy spending on P&A, distribution networks, its hard to fail coupled with the fact that they do “get’ David, I’d rather his association to Disney compared to sophistcated labels and brand name reviewers and newspapers who seem to enjoy coining mean names for him and sneer at everything he does…

David Archuleta has a dream. He just “wants to sing” and if the Disney connetcion is what it takes to keep his dream alive and keep him there in the media for years to come… I say kudos to team Archuleta for that strategy.

what is the hurry? david hasn’t given me any sign or indication that the singer who sang those songs has been relegated forever onto the ash heaps…. i’m curious where this need and insistence in some for him to go from 0 to 60 in his individual and artistic growth and progression emanates from…. when he sang those types of songs on idol, he got stick, and a label, for being a ballad boy, unable to connect with or be relevant to the music market closer to his age….. he now receives a little stick for singing songs and exploring avenues that are closer to his age and appear to be connecting with that demographic… either way he went, it appears he was going to catch the stick, so i applaud him for having the courage to do what he feels he needs to do, in this time, at this moment, in his journey.

i’m not going to project my expectations on where or what i feel he needs to be doing, what he needs to be singing, the state of his maturity – artistically or personally….. i am aware of my limitations in this area…. i know not the inner working of record labels, have just a baseline understanding of all the arcane and wonky data related to charts, demographics, etc…. and lord knows i, nor most of us here, know all that goes into developing, creating or sustaining a record career…

i’m content to exercise patience, and to allow him the time and space to develop as an artist…. at the end of the day, the same talent that got our attention with imagine and dltsgdom is the very same talent that will carry him through hm et al, and when the time is right, carry him beyond imagine and dltsgdom….

Well praepos, just because you think his acting was bad doesn’t mean everyone else does. Most of us realize that this was only the second time doing it so we’re not expecting and Oscar/Emmy winning performance.

I also am glad David is “settling”. I love pop music and I’m not a tween. If David was singing old foggy songs then he wouldn’t get noticed that way either. He needs to do what he has to do to get a foot in the door and if some ppl don’t like it then I’m sure Josh will put out another cd.

26 year old married male, who LOVES hannah montana. he has seen every episode. needless to say, he watches all those episodes by himself, hehe.

My older 26 year old married brother love some Hanna… the bad news is that my little sister doen ´t like neither the program of her, she like the song and the acting of David in the episode, so he doesn ´t have a excuese to go see the Hanna Montana Movie :lol_wp:

I never said going Disney wouldn’t be commercially viable. But it’s a lousy move in terms of making good music–which is a shame. David’s better than this. And he certainly can still sing without appealing primarily to twelver-year-olds. Think about it for a few seconds. How do you retain your following among mature adults while appealing primarily to children? You don’t. You wind up singing only to kids–with songs pitched at that level.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not what we had hoped he would achieve when we watched him during S7. Just the opposite … Real fans wanted just the opposite. We wanted him to run as far away from Disney as possible.

I sympathize with your opinion, because I too had hoped David’s career would not go the way of Disney. However, I think often what WE want for him has more to do with satisfying our own desires as fans rather than what may or may not propel David’s career at this stage in time. I think that oftentimes when fans imagine what David has the potential to be one day, they begin to expect it at this very moment. Those are inordinately high expectations. He’s only 18. He says that he needs time to grow. And frankly, while I loved most of his performances on AI, he himself has stated numerous times that it’s not an accurate depiction of the artist he wants to be. (And I’d be equally if not more bummed if he continued to sing the type of stuff he did on AI because, well, that was not only limiting but pretty irrelevant to music today.)

I am a “real fan” but this just doesn’t bother me so much. I’d rather let David and his peeps decide what he should be doing. I may not always agree, and I won’t love everything David does, but that’s just how it is. He should be working to satisfy his own expectations, not mine.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not what we had hoped he would achieve when we watched him during S7.

sounds more like a mismatch in your projections and expectations of david….. and you are most certainly entitled to them, and any opinion you may hold at this stage of the game….. his musical acumen was never in question, but i always felt that his youth was going to be problematic for some fans and non fans, so i have not been underwhelmed or even surprised by the path he has taken at this stage in his career…. i have never placed him or any other artist on any self imposed timetable to achieve anything by time x or else…. i have no rose colored glasses on in regard to any of this… i see very well and clearly the inherent dangers and pitfalls involved, but i also see a formidable talent that is still being developed, undergoing a process of growth, and i will allow and endure hm 100x in order to watch this facet of that talent…. knowing all the while that the best is yet to come, in its own time, on its own timetable…

peace praepos….

I never said going Disney wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be commercially viable. But ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a lousy move in terms of making good musicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’which is a shame. Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s better than this. And he certainly can still sing without appealing primarily to twelver-year-olds. Think about it for a few seconds. How do you retain your following among mature adults while appealing primarily to children? You donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t. You wind up singing only to kidsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’with songs pitched at that level.

Again, I sympathize, but again, I think this has little to do with what David wants for himself and more to do with what many of his adult fans want for him.

And I don’t really buy that being associated with Disney eliminates all possibility of producing good music in the future. He’s got the talent to do more than this. But he needs the opportunity, and this kind of appearance may allow him to extend that opportunity long enough to actually get the good stuff out there.

And I don’t think David is catering exclusively to children. This is one part of the plan, but there have been other moves that have been designed more for adults.

And, well, David seems happy. I enjoy watching him be a kid.

I agree completely on the adult expectation vs David’s expectations. He has said too many times last year when he was first on Idol that he loved Disney cartoons and also he was singing Hannah Montana during one of the fan visits. The homage that the director of HSM3 said about him was also one of the kindest most generous remarks that an industry veteran has paid him.

Miley Cyrus’s The Climb is such a nice track.. I have it on re-run on my ipod. The girl has 6 tracks in Billboard Top 100 now and her HM movie has broken all records this year for record 3 day takings beating many A list thespians. Now thats the buying power of the tweens.

Thing is I understand where praepos is coming from but agree with ggdoorsfan that David should be allowed the freedom to grow into the artiste he will someday become. Justin started with Disney, sang cheesy ballads on Nsync and today Justin Timberlake is his own brand name 15 years down the road. Constantly evolving, constantly putting his peers so far behind to play catchup.

David might alienate/lose fans with his team’s current strategy. But he’ll also gain new fans who will either grow up with him or grow alongside him… but his immediate priority is to stay in the game long enough to discovery his own signature…

David is eighteen. If singing “old fogey” songs was inapparopriate for him last year, so’s singing for twelve-year-olds now that he’s a year olderr. In fact it’s worse because it disrespects his talent and confirms what the bashers had always suspected about him–that he’s not ready for the mainstream. Going Disney comes at a price.

I know the argument is that he can cater to both adults and children. But that’s easier said than done. I just don’t see how he can avoid alienating a good part of his mature fanbase by going the Disney route. There’s a world of difference between Hard Rock Cafe and Hannah Montana. Once David becomes identified with the latter, I doubt he can readily turn back. It’s one or the other.

David is in his first year of what I hope is a lifetime singing career. He should do everything and anything he can and let the chips fall. As an adult fan, I was not thrilled at the Disney route, but it is what it is.

Personally….and ducking rotten tomatoes…I think David (and his Peep) have gone too far to “satisfy” his fan groups. It is one thing for a professional to interact with a fan base with the occasional blog, or vlog, or twitter and to release interesting tidbits but with David I feel that he is so intertwined with his fans that he has lost himself. Not only does he have to get on a stage and sing, but if he doesn’t quite measure up on a particular night he seems compelled to apologize to these “fans”.

Every move David makes is documented, every decision, every interview, every thought (pretty much) and analyzed and dissected and commented on and searched for every damn hidden meaning there is. Even his immediate family and his parents close friends are inundating these fan sites with information about David. There isn’t room for David to find himself, it takes all of his time and energy to just fill the endless demands of his rabid fanbase. That is why I stopped participating…I felt like I was part of a pack that was smothering the boy…or hounding him and his peep for more information.

I’m sure part of David’s uber rigorous schedule is to satisfy his fan’s demands. I am sure his visit to Tween heaven is because it keeps him front and center and it gives his fans endless drivel to comment on.

Fandome is wonderful. Fans help any Artist move forward. But when an Artist loses themselves in favor of his fans demands…that to me is just a bit scary.

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s only 18. He says that he needs time to grow. And frankly, while I loved most of his performances on AI, he himself has stated numerous times that ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not an accurate depiction of the artist he wants to be. (And Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be equally if not more bummed if he continued to sing the type of stuff he did on AI because, well, that was not only limiting but pretty irrelevant to music today.)

I am a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“real fanà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  but this just doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t bother me so much. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d rather let David and his peeps decide what he should be doing. I may not always agree, and I wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t love everything David does, but thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just how it is. He should be working to satisfy his own expectations, not mine.

I am totally with you here. I am not trying to disparage Clay Aiken, but it seems to me that Clay sang mature stuff on Idol and continued to sing Mature stuff afterwards, and it didn’t work out so well. He didn’t grab a younger audience.

I wasn’t crazy about David doing the younger stuff at first, but I see the wisdom in it. I was showing my 21 year old daughter the Hannah Montana clip yesterday. She loved it. We were talking about how people don’t like him doing things with the Disney kids, and she said, “Miley is HUGE”. If he can get seen and noticed by being around her, good for him!!”

She also said, “We forget that David is only 18. He is just a kid!”

ETA:

Not only does he have to get on a stage and sing, but if he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t quite measure up on a particular night he seems compelled to apologize to these à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“fansà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

I believe those are David’s expectations that he didn’t measure up to. He has very high expectations for himself, and he is VERY open about it.

confirms what the bashers had always suspected about himà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not ready for the mainstream.

I believe Disney IS part of the mainstream and David is very versatile, as others have said.

To those who see Disney as beneath Archie’s talents, what would you have him doing now at age 18? How would you have his career playing out so far regarding keeping him in the spotlight while keeping him current and bringing in enough revenue to allow his career to continue?

I’m not so sure David realizes any of this on a conscious level. There’s an odd kind of split between David the kid and David the musical prodigy. His singing persona has always far superceded his everyday persona in terms of maturity and sophistication. What’s even stranger is that David the kid has only an inkling of who he actually is musically–which may be why he doesn’t mind doing Disney. He says he can’t stand listening to his own voice–so it’s not surprising he’s a poor judge of what he should do with it at this point.

Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a world of difference between Hard Rock Cafe and Hannah Montana. Once David becomes identified with the latter, I doubt he can readily turn back. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s one or the other.

Ordinarily, I would agree with you, however (IMO), Archie is head and shoulders above your typical Disney artist. He proved that last year over and over again. If anyone is capable of tapping into the tween/teen market while retaining their mature fanbase, I believe that it’s Archie. I say go for it.

What do you mean “What would you have him doing at age 18?” –as if he were not a man. Well he’s not a child, he’s a young man–with a young man’s voice. He should be singing for college freshmen, not high school freshmen. I’d have him do more Hard Rock Cafe and less Hannah Montana. I’d have him tour with One Republic–or some such equivalent–not Demi Levato. And I’d have him put out an acoustic album that showcases his voice for a change.

“I am a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“real fanà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  but this just doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t bother me so much. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d rather let David and his peeps decide what he should be doing. I may not always agree, and I wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t love everything David does, but thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just how it is. He should be working to satisfy his own expectations, not mine.”

Me too, real fan! I despise HM, JB, etc. and I am willing to wait until David gets out there on his own and start making his music. Pop music needs him BAD! As a true fan and a member of the 20 age group, I see that David is gonna have an uphill battle, though. Once the Disney label sticks it’s hard to get it off. If his next album is more mature in content and delivery (edgier for the lack of a better word) he still may be able to grab my age group. If his next album is just a bland collection of songs that Jive keeps in their recycle bin, only more uptempo cause that’s what sells at the moment, then forget it. He will be dismissed for good. Hopefully, Jive wants to grab the Dis market this year not until David reaches 20. So, I don’t think David’s association with Dis is deadly but he has to start emerging as an artist and his own person. Right now he just sings other people’s songs. His own attempts are promising, though.

David himself is in a “tween” (or between) stage. As an 18-year-old, he’s almost out of the Disney age group, but not quite “adult” enough to take on some of the more mature themes that some feel he doesn’t relate to in his personal life due to lack of life experiences. It’s an awkward place to be, but I think he’s making the best of it by mixing it up and, in the process, laying a pretty darn good foundation. (CDs, singles, domestic and international concerts, be it the main attraction or the opener or the guest, TV acting, charity work, etc.) All in all, not bad for less than a year in “the biz.”

ETA, I feel when the time is right for him to step it up to the next level, Jive or whomever will package a promotion to go along with it. It’s all a work in progress, one step at a time.

everything in life, every decision comes with a price… and if there are adult fans of david who will feel so alienated and turned off by the hm appearance or the duet with a disney star, then so be it. lose some, win some – all part of life. part of the risk and gamble that any artist faces when the direction they take doesn’t seem to mesh or match up with those pesky ”expectations”….. there are no guarantees in life, and even less in finding the magic formula for success in the music business. i’m gambling that david will find his way, and continue to navigate successfully through the shark infested waters of fame, fandom and all that entails…. whether or not to hang on for the ride is one’s own personal choice and decision, and i can respect that. i knew what i was getting into when i purchased my ticket for this ride, so until david makes a decision to end it, i’m enjoying the twists and turns of the ride – come hell, high water, hannah montana or tony montana…. i’ve survived worse things than the angst over the direction of an 18 year old’s career direction and trajectory, so i’m not gonna sweat any of this at all….

I am new to the AI fandom(I am really a fan of the contentants I hate the show), however, AI fans do not maintain an idol’s success. I can see why idol’s have to capitalize on the momentum of being on the show. Viewers quickly forget and move on to the new batch. Archie’s people are doing the right thing for him. His idol fans will never be satisfied anyway, and will probably, if not already, moved on to someone else. Go ARchie.

David got to sing backup for Miley Cyrus, now that is exciting.

Now if “geek boy” would have been Kevin Covais that would have totally rocked :)

David got to sing backup for Miley Cyrus, now that is exciting.

just a variation of a ”hoedown throwdown” – archuleta style, hahahhahaha :laughing_tb:

hey – if by chance its released on itunes and zooms to the top, i ain’t mad at nobody…. :tongue3_tb:

“if there are adult fans of david who will feel so alienated and turned off by the hm appearance or the duet with a disney star, then so be it. lose some, win some -”

Yeah–but what’s the percentage of this kind of trade-off? If you pick up a lot of 12yr. old fans and lose a lot of 20plus fans–where are you career-wise? The trade-off has to make some kind of sense career-wise. As I said before, he should be singing to college freshmen, not high school freshmen. That would be more in keeping with his actual chronological age.

“David himself is in a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“tweenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (or between) stage. As an 18-year-old, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s almost out of the Disney age group, but not quite à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“adultà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  enough to take on some of the more mature themes that some feel he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t relate to in his personal life due to lack of life experiences.”

I don’t buy this at all. During S7 he relied more on his emotional intelligence than on his life experience in order to blow us all away. If what you claim were true, then Michael Jackson–who became a mainstream star as a child–would never have succeeded. But Jackson relied on his musical genius, not on his life experience. He sang for adults, not for other kids.

“just a variation of a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ hoedown throwdownà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  – archuleta style, hahahhahaha”

one comment… I wanted so much not to like mileys songs…. but hoedown throwdown is catchy….. *hangs head in shame*
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You know taylor swift is 19… older than david.. yet age appropiate things.. her’s arent really aimed towards college freshmen… just saying…

praepos, I said “themes that SOME feel he doesn’t relate to………..” and that is a criticism (or I guess I should say an opinion) that I’ve heard often. I personally do not feel that way, but it’s just another batch of folks with an opinion and that is why I said “some.” I am a fan and I enjoy following his career in general, no matter how he chooses to do it. But nobody can please everybody all the time, the banter back and forth just goes with the territory.

Now if à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“geek boyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  would have been Kevin Covais that would have totally rocked :)

That would have been too perfect! Bahahaha

Yeahà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the percentage of this kind of trade-off? If you pick up a lot of 12yr. old fans and lose a lot of 20plus fansà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’where are you career-wise? The trade-off has to make some kind of sense career-wise. As I said before, he should be singing to college freshmen, not high school freshmen. That would be more in keeping with his actual chronological age.

like everything else, it resides in the ”future unknown and to be determined” file…. no nostradamus’s here, or dionne and psychic friends to come up with an answer that will be palatable for everyone….. whom david should be singing for/to at this moment in time…. just have to let him be the captain and best judge of that ship…

i haven’t been blessed with a talent as prodigious as his, one that has so many clamoring to lead and guide it down the pathway they feel best suits and showcases it, i have no idea the hard work, struggle and sacrifices he has endured to just be able to sing anything, considering how close his bout with vocal paralysis came to perhaps robbing him of that ability… i readily and unashamedly confess to having no real knowledge of how the industry works, and what one must endure in order to ”make it”…. all i know is david is talented, has a voice i thoroughly enjoy, has connected with a large segment of music listeners on idol, and in the mainstream, and he appears willing to take the slings and arrows from outside and within his own fandom as he strives to find his place – and his ”voice” in the industry….

only time holds the answer to those percentages and tradeoffs of which you speak….. i’m pretty simple, i guess…. for right now, in this moment, it’s enough for me to just enjoy his many accomplishments, and to hope that he is acquiring wisdom, and learning from the setbacks and the disappointments, to enjoy watching him try new things, enjoy watching this man-child mature with every life lesson and experience that comes his way, and hope that the foundation laid, and the one he’s laying are the right ingredients that will lead to long term success…. the outcome resides in that ”future unknown and to be determined” category, and that i can live with…

Now if à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“geek boyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  would have been Kevin Covais that would have totally rocked :)

That would have been too perfect! Bahahaha

would of been epic

ggdoorsfan….your posts on this thread are realistic and to the point. I’ve enjoyed each of them. And “future unknown and to be determined” has fit all of the idols at one time or another.

For any David A fans .. I’ve just seen an ad on TV here in the UK that David is going to be on The Paul O’Grady Show here on Thursday. It’s a very popular tea time chat and entertainment show and is usually a lot of fun so any David A fan’s may want to keep an eye out on youtube for it.

1. I feel uncomfortable when folks start talking about David (or any of the other contestants) as if they know him personally, understand the inner workings of his self-esteem, and have clear knowledge of his dreams and his ability (or lack thereof) to achieve them. Blogs, vlogs and interviews aside, not a one of us here (as far as I know) actually knows David. How do we know what he wants? Or whether he understands his own talent?

2. David is brand-spanking new on the scene, and as much as any one of us would like to see his career handled a certain way, or have him tour with X, Y or Z artist, in reality, he needs to take what he can get. Those are the breaks. No amount of talent or love from his fans is going to earn him special treatment from the label until they see the potential for $$$. In my perfect world he’d be out touring with a fabulous artist who is a perfect musical role model for him, and he’d be doing all the right gigs to earn himself cred with a slightly older demographic. In the real world, he hasn’t earned it yet. (I personally believe he will. I’ll wait.)

ggdoorsfanà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.your posts on this thread are realistic and to the point. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve enjoyed each of them. And à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“future unknown and to be determinedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  has fit all of the idols at one time or another.

just trying to balance the realist/pragmatist with the unabashed fan….. a full time job, let me tell ya, hahahhaha. balancing hopes/expectations with reality of the times and the industry…. haven’t perfected it, but i strive for that balance, and objectivity in my chosen ”fandom”…. i place no human being on any pedestals, i see and respect david for that all too real human-ness, as well as for the extraordinary promise and potential contained within it…. his journey is going to be uniquely his own…. he has a lot of history and precedent to help guide him, but there are no guarantees that what worked for one artist can or will work for the next… i freely give him the space to figure out what works best for him… he, and only he can ultimately decide which pathway he feels best suits and is reflective of where he wants to be artistically…

For any David A fans .. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve just seen an ad on TV here in the UK that David is going to be on The Paul Oà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢Grady Show here on Thursday. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a very popular tea time chat and entertainment show and is usually a lot of fun so any David A fanà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s may want to keep an eye out on youtube for it.

Thanks Karen! We appreciate the heads up.

Lefty –

David is brand-spanking new on the scene, and as much as any one of us would like to see his career handled a certain way, or have him tour with X, Y or Z artist, in reality, he needs to take what he can get. Those are the breaks.

uh huh. yep. Gotta pay the dues and sometimes shovel the $hit.

Of course, if he doesn’t stop scaring the fanbase half to death with this little tweets like this morning, he won’t have a career anyway. haha! Man, that kid sets off all kinds of maternal instincts like nobody’s business.

^What did he tweet?

Looks like the song will be released to I-tunes here’s a little article about it
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/04/…elightful-duet/
As rumors continue to swirl about a possible romance between Taylor Lautner and Selena Gomez, we’ve got more exciting news for our tween fan base.

David Archuleta has finished filming his guest-starring appearance on Hannah Montana – and we’ve got a sneak peak!

Last season’s American Idol runner-up and Miley Cyrus sing a duet on the May 3 episode. Watch the clip below to get an early look at “I Wanna Know You,” a song soon to be burning up iTunes playlists around the country

^^^ Oh boy! heh

Went for a run this morning, only I nearly broke down and froze to death! lol. Pushed myself a little too much I guess.
about 9 hours ago from web

I’m so glad for the Lemington Centre’s hospitality! Thanks so much!
about 9 hours ago from web

I didn’t have to be hospitalized or anything by the way, just needed to find shelter and keep warm haha. And sit down to take a break!
about 9 hours ago from web

@ThatsSoBelleee What’s strange is that it was fine earlier this morning! It suddenly got freezing though on my way back.
about 9 hours ago from web in reply to ThatsSoBelleee

thanks Jabkmc :)

Thank you karen!

Lefty, I agree.

I hope that song is released to itunes… I think it will be on a lot of guilty pleasure lists. LOL

here’s another link to the hollywood gossip article re the david/miley duet….. had trouble opening the one posted previously……

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/04/david-archuleta-and-miley-cyrus-a-delightful-duet/

“AI fans do not maintain an idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s success. I can see why idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s have to capitalize on the momentum of being on the show. Viewers quickly forget and move on to the new batch.”

David’s fans were the exception to this rule. He sold out his venues for the solo tour within days–a sure indicator that interest hadn’t flagged one bit.

“not a one of us here (as far as I know) actually knows David. How do we know what he wants? Or whether he understands his own talent?”

Lacking knowledge of how the industry tends to stereotype celebrities, he may not be the best judge of how to proceed. His personal interest in things Disney may, in fact, get in the way of his own eventual success as a mainstream artist. That said, he himself has intimated he recognizes a problem to a certain extent–which was why he made a point of saying the next album would appeal to more mature fans.

hey it looks like to beat out Perez with the duet posting! lol

What do you mean à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“What would you have him doing at age 18?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’as if he were not a man. Well heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not a child, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a young manà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’with a young manà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s voice. He should be singing for college freshmen, not high school freshmen.

Nope, he SHOULD be singing to high school freshmen because he’s too sheltered and cannot relate to the lives of college freshmen. He fits in better with middle school and freshman/sophomore high school kids. It’s what he looks like and acts like. Disney is exactly what he should be doing. Jive finally figured it out and got it right.

Just for being a guest means he will go the disney route?? I don’t get some comments, several artists do that, and after his appearance on Icarly brought the show to number 1, I think disney wanted a piece of him too.
He is too young to go the AC route, I mean Imagine, DLTSGDM…..He may do that on his mid 20.. I think he did good on top40 M and he may continue keeping it on his next album. I think he said he is only 18 and wanted to experiment on things so he can find what he feels more comfortable doing. So I believe his next album will show the real David and what Music he really wants to make, but if you don’t have people to buy your music, no matter how crazy or great your music is, you won’t survive on this business, so I believe they’re trying to exposure David to a wider audience every time they get a chance.
I agree about AI fans comment, they won’t keep you alive, they eventually move on with the next and next…so it’s up to the artist to grab the opportunities the show will give you.

Nope, he SHOULD be singing to high school freshmen because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s too sheltered and cannot relate to the lives of college freshmen. He fits in better with middle school and freshman/sophomore high school kids. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what he looks like and acts like. Disney is exactly what he should be doing. Jive finally figured it out and got it right.

He is a high school senior. I did not relate to the lives of college freshmen until I actually became one. But aside from that college students do not relate at all to most pop music. They do not relate to Chris Brown or Jordin Sparks. They do not relate to Nathasha Bedingfield or Brittany Spears either.

Lacking knowledge of how the industry tends to stereotype celebrities

How do we know that he lacks that knowledge? He might, but then again he seems like a fairly quick study to me and it sounds like he’s followed the music business for years. He may know exactly what he’s getting into, and why.

I’m sorry, I am not trying to pick on you in particular. I just see a lot of assumptions being made (not just here, not just today) about who David is and what he knows, and by extension, what’s best for him. It’s easy to do because he seems like an open book much of the time. But I just don’t think any one of us is equipped to make those assumptions.

*steps off soapbox, with apologies*

a little off topic, but heartwarming….

a poster on FOD e-mailed the Lemington Centre to thank them for assisting David after he nearly froze his bunz off during an early morning run in the uk….. teenagers, hahahaha……. she was unsure if they knew who he was…. she received a reply, which she shared….

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Robin F says:
April 27, 2009 at 10:45 am
They do know David there!!! Here is my email response.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹hi robin,
i actually regonised david from his idol appearances on idol and also american idol was shown here on thursday 23-04-09 when he made a guest appearance on disco night it was a delight to help the young man.
john dawson à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

what, me worry and angst about this kid’s prospects in the industry when an attendant in scotland knows who he is? to cop one of david’s verses in ”barriers”… baby i don’t think so….

cheers!

“Nope, he SHOULD be singing to high school freshmen because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s too sheltered and cannot relate to the lives of college freshmen. He fits in better with middle school and freshman/sophomore high school kids. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what he looks like and acts like. Disney is exactly what he should be doing. Jive finally figured it out and got it right.”

It’s a myth that “he’s too sheltered and cannot relate to the lives of college freshmen.” David Cook said he was 17 going on 30. He meant there’s a wisdom in him and a musical intelligence that is far older than he physically appears. It sells David short to talk this way about his talent–just as Disney sells him short, Hannah Montana in particular.

“I just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think any one of us is equipped to make those assumptions.”

It’s a reasonable assumption to suppose he’s not up on the celebrity game. His expertize is music, not self-promotion. I doubt he’s weighed the full consequences of going Disney. It could very well set his career back a decade.

“I agree about AI fans comment, they wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t keep you alive, they eventually move on with the next and nextà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦so ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s up to the artist to grab the opportunities the show will give you.”

Some fans don’t move on, but just grow older with their idols, changing their musical tastes accordingly. Sinatra, Elvis, the Beatles–kept their fans through many generations. Archie has that kind of intense appeal. His fans are loyal in that permanent way.

As for opportunities, the secret for career longevity is for the artist to not only grab them when they show themselves, but also to be able to distinguish real opportunities from false starts.

Disney, like it or not, is associated with subpar kiddie entertainment. David doesn’t need to show kids his talent, he needs to be taken seriously as a singer by the industry. Disney doesn’t help him do this. It can grant him credentials as a celebrity–but not as an artist.

I doubt heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s weighed the full consequences of going Disney. It could very well set his career back a decade.

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I do respect your obvious concern for David’s career and use of his talent.

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a reasonable assumption to suppose heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not up on the celebrity game. His expertize is music, not self-promotion. I doubt heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s weighed the full consequences of going Disney. It could very well set his career back a decade.

I’ve heard him say a lot of things in interviews over the last year that make me believe he knows exactly what he’s getting into and the benefits and the pitfalls of being identified as a “teen idol.” In fact, during his solo tour a journalist got an opportunity to interview him and wrote specifically that he was surprised at how informed he was about the business side of music. If I assume anything about David it’s that he’s very aware of his place in the music industry right now, and knows exactly why this is the road he’s taking.

And on top of all that you can tell in interviews just how appreciative he is that he’s getting to do any of this at all. I’ve never seen an artist so openly admit that he wants to learn from others. It doesn’t matter if he’s talking about Jason Mraz or Demi Lovato. Yeah, David said he wants to learn from her, and I get why. Demi is a pro. She’s got a lot of stage presence and she knows exactly what she’s doing when she’s up there. She knows how to work a crowd. She got the chance to write more of the stuff on her album than he did. David may be more talented vocally, but he gets that he’s got things he needs to work on. I think David is far more self-aware than we give him credit for. And that means he’s likely to just keep getting better because he’s not holding himself back by trying to be everything at once. That nearly always leads to failure.

I’m not sure why I didn’t realize sooner that this was the path he would go down. When his album was released and debuted at #2 Billboard did an article about him, quoting an executive from Jive. He said that they wanted to take advantage of the teen interest in David. And it’s smart to do so. That’s one path to mega-stardom. There are only a few ways that an artist can become really big: (1) score consecutive top 10 hot 100 hits (rare-Britney, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Mariah), (2) achieve widespread mainstream appeal, meaning a lot of people like your album even if they don’t necessarily love it (Nickelback), (3) hop on the teen/tween express and grab loyal young followers who, if you’re lucky, will stay with you into yours and their adulthood (Miley, Jonas Brothers), and (4) stop wearing underwear, start dating and dumping other celebs (Britney).

Even grabbing a little of what Miley and the Jonas Brothers have could provide David with a non-Idol fan base that will stay with him into true adulthood. Meanwhile, I dig the songs on his album, and I think I’m likely to dig the songs on his next album. As an adult, that’s what matters to me. Everything else is just gravy. And if playing the teen idol card allows him the time in the industry to develop into the artist that he wants to be, then I say go for it.

Sinatra, Elvis, the Beatlesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’kept their fans through many generations.

All of whom started out as teen idols. Sinatra, Elvis and The Beatles all had people saying that they were mere fluff for the kiddies. And then, at some point, they weren’t anymore.

There are only a few ways that an artist can become really big: (1) score consecutive top 10 hot 100 hits (rare-Britney, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Mariah), (2) achieve widespread mainstream appeal, meaning a lot of people like your album even if they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t necessarily love it (Nickelback), (3) hop on the teen/tween express and grab loyal young followers who, if youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re lucky, will stay with you into yours and their adulthood (Miley, Jonas Brothers), and (4) stop wearing underwear, start dating and dumping other celebs (Britney).

Well clearly David’s heading down the wrong path. Approach #4 has David’s name written all over it. :wink_wp:

Sinatra, Elvis, the Beatlesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’kept their fans through many generations.

All of whom started out as teen idols. Sinatra, Elvis and The Beatles all had people saying that they were mere fluff for the kiddies. And then, at some point, they werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t anymore.

My thoughts exactly, soundscene.

There is a BIG difference between a Teen Idol and a Tween idol. Sinatra, Elvis and the Beatles were embraced by not only the highschoolers but by young adults. They were NEVER marketed to the tween kids (merchandising sells didn’t spill over until they were very well established). I don’t think these three are in any ways a comparison to the tweeny entertainers of today! Now the Osmonds, or the Jackson Five they can be used as comparisons.

There is a BIG difference between a Teen Idol and a Tween idol. Sinatra, Elvis and the Beatles were embraced by not only the highschoolers but by young adults. They were NEVER marketed to the tween kids (merchandising sells didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t spill over until they were very well established). I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think these three are in any ways a comparison to the tweeny entertainers of today! Now the Osmonds, or the Jackson Five they can be used as comparisons.

People forget as time goes on how the teen idols of yesterday were actually viewed. If you want to be really strict in comparison then we should stop comparing altogether. Different generations always use different ways to market. You can say that The Beatles merely had an advantage in the US because there were 3 television networks and hardly anything on TV when The Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show. But they were still singing some of the most simplistic, lyrically-mundane pop songs ever created (catchy, but not genius). The Beatles used to be a serious pop-almost-punk band until they went down the mainstream corporate road, got matching haircuts and spiffied themselves up to appeal to teens and, yes, tweens. Their music was marketed almost exclusively to young people-no distinction between “tween” and “teen” existed back then. A lot of people thought they sold out, especially in their home country. To get technical that their fans weren’t primarily “tween” really forgets how much they were dismissed as credible artists when they first broke in the US. That’s the whole point–how much credibility the general public gave these folks while they were considered “teen idols”; it’s not about the technical age of their target audience. It was a young demographic-whether it included 10-12 year old kids doesn’t matter.

Nor does Disney only market to 10-12 year old “tweens.” If that’s the only audience they reach then Miley and the Jonas Brothers wouldn’t be half as popular as they are. You need more than that.

It’s sad that some people dismiss young artists when they decide to concentrate on a younger demographic. If I were comparing David’s songs now, and The Beatles songs in their teen idol days, David’s songs are more mature. Of course, it’s a difficult comparison because pop music has changed so much over the years, but “she loves you yeah yeah yeah” are hardly mature lyrics. But The Beatles picked up a more mature audience as their fans grew up and as their music evolved. Those who dismissed them before looked back on their old catalog and found that even the simple, lyrically-mundane pop songs were catchy. Views changed.

It’s not going to happen that way most of the time (not to the level of The Beatles), but it’s not unheard of at all for a teen idol to break free and become a different artist later in his career, with many of the same fans following him as before. There’s about as much chance of that happening as there is for an adult artist to stay in the industry limelight for 5 years. No guaranties for anybody, no matter how you start out. But at least the teen idol route provides an opportunity for a young artist who wants to develop the time to do so. David was thrust into the spotlight because of Idol. He’s there now which means he needs a path that allows him to stay. This path does that. Going a more mature route (that even he may not be ready for) wouldn’t bring in the security his label needs to let him continue to make music and evolve as an artist, not in this particular market of dropping album sales. You need more than a good album to stay afloat.

awesome awesome post lisa and I totally agree.

“All of whom started out as teen idols. Sinatra, Elvis and The Beatles all had people saying that they were mere fluff for the kiddies. And then, at some point, they werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t anymore.”

All were teen idols–but all were mainstream at the same time. We’re not talking mainstream here with David, we’re talking Disney and catering to sub-teens.

As for learning from Levato–come on, let’s be honest. What are her actual credentials–other than being on the receiving end of a tremendous amount of hype by Disney? Her voice and talent is not out of the ordinary.

“Going a more mature route (that even he may not be ready for) wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t bring in the security his label needs to let him continue to make music and evolve as an artist, not in this particular market of dropping album sales. You need more than a good album to stay afloat.”

I don’t buy this at all. I think just the opposite in fact. What made David unique was his incredible talent and nothing less. Cute kids are a dime a dozen. To survive it’s his talent that needed to have been showcased, not his cuteness.

Soundscene, your posts are awesome,. I learn so much from them! You rock!

Soundscene, Why don’t you save these posts so that you can whip them out again when we have to have this same conversation in a few days.

“Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not going to happen that way most of the time (not to the level of The Beatles), but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not unheard of at all for a teen idol to break free and become a different artist later in his career”

Not unheard of–but rare. Frankie Avalon would be the prototype for what usually happens. Seems to me like a lot of wishful thinking on your part–looking at this as a path to stardom rather than a dead end. David was singing Apologize with One Republic only last year. He was vocally ready for much more than Disney. I’m not saying throwing his lot in with small kids won’t make his label money. But opening for Demi won’t help Archie as an artist, no matter how much he thinks he can learn from her. It’ll just allow the industry to dismiss him more readily.

Im sure david knows more than anyone what will help him as an artist… Im just gonna go with the flow….

Personally I think it’s a real shame that David didn’t wait a few years before trying out for AI or pursuing his dreams of becoming a recording star. I feel that the kid has a head on his shoulders but I don’t think his social development had matched his musical skills prior to trying our for idol. I can fully understand Jive’s need to market him to a younger audience, he didn’t have the persona that a Chris Brown had (Had is the operative word here) at the same age. I just can’t help getting that Donny Osmond vibe from everything that is going on…especially with the Utah and Mormon connection.

And Donny Osmond has constantly fought the battle to overcome the “box” he was forced into. Sure he made money, sure he had recognition, geesh he even had a TV show. Did this give him street cred as he matured. No!! He tried to absolve his past…moved to LA, hung with the in crowd, tried to record adult music, but no one would see him as a serious artist. I’ve seen this scenario before, and I think that for every Justin Timberlake that succeeds there will be 10 Donny Osmonds that fail to make the transition. Just didn’t want this to be another obstacle in David’s path.

While I certainly respect the collective knowledge of the posters, particularly soundscene, why are we bringing up examples of artists that are 70 years old or dead?

Archie did a duet with One Republic because of AI, not because Ryan Tedder saw the light and embraced him. To the contrary, it is said Ryan Tedder has some disdain for Archie. The reality of today’s music business is that one must either be one of the 4 examples soundscene sighted in her post or one must look at other ways to stay in the public’s eye. Singing 30 year old ballads, however beautiful, is not relevant and will get Archie no where at this point in his career.

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll just allow the industry to dismiss him more readily.

The industry dismisses those who cannot be relevant in today’s music scene. While maybe not tastful to some, artists like Demi, Miley and the Jonas Brothers are very relevant.

Just when I think I’m one of the true AI superfans, I see this and suddenly like a slacker. four, five, and six paragraph posts devoted to dissecting and defending Archie? Wow. Where do people find the time? Gotta say though, the teens writing those thesis-like posts, like soundscene and ggdoors, certainly are devoted. Props there.

Just when I think Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m one of the true AI superfans, I see this and suddenly like a slacker. four, five, and six paragraph posts devoted to dissecting and defending Archie? Wow. Where do people find the time? Gotta say though, the teens writing those thesis-like posts, like soundscene and ggdoors, certainly are devoted. Props there.

Well people do say I look young for my age.

I’m not an Idol superfan. ROFL. Post-show career stuff I’m interested in. The show itself is kind of dull for me. And I’ve only ever supported one contestant.

It also takes me very little time to write those posts.

It also takes me very little time to write those posts.

Oh, Soundscene, don’t open those doors! Luv Ya!

Well, the artists that Archuleta lists as his musical ‘idols’ are John Mayer, Jason Mraz, Sara Bareilles and it can be assumed that he would want a career similar to theirs (I think he stated somewhere that he never saw himself as being ‘super-famous’). So the question is whether his present career choices (Disney/tween fan/kiddie pop sound) are going to make it easier or harder for him to achieve his ultimate career goal? For his sake, I hope it’ll keep him in the limelight long enough to gain more fans and recognition, that by the time he’s ready to venture into the music that he really wants to make, he will have the support of those who will be interested in his new direction. Archuleta always comments how he loves the ‘organic’ sound of those artists..but how many ‘tween’ stars these days have graduated to that type of music? Someone can enlighten me, as I haven’t really put much thought into it.

the teens writing those thesis-like posts, like soundscene and ggdoors,

Snort….bwahahahahaha!

Just when I think Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m one of the true AI superfans, I see this and suddenly like a slacker. four, five, and six paragraph posts devoted to dissecting and defending Archie? Wow. Where do people find the time? Gotta say though, the teens writing those thesis-like posts, like soundscene and ggdoors, certainly are devoted. Props there.

you funny.. :bye_tb: a woman in her 40′s never, ever feels bad being mistaken for a teen, be it in looks, or in this case, my ”devotion” as you called it…. like soundscene, i write as a big part of my living, have earned the freedom and autonomy to set my own hours, which gives me time to earn my keep, and indulge in those activities that interest me – of which david a is one…. of many….. i’ll be receiving my masters degree in communications in a few weeks, so your observation, relative to thesis like posts, is accurate – old habits and all that jazz :tongue3_tb:

cheers! :bye_tb:

Oh, Soundscene, donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t open those doors! Luv Ya!

I don’t even know what you’re talking about.

“I just canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t help getting that Donny Osmond vibe from everything that is going onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦especially with the Utah and Mormon connection.”

Yes–which is why Disney is a destructive path for Archie to go down. What he’s doing now in the UK was the right way to go–wowing the crowds with Angels and ZG, opening for McFly, not doing Hannah Montana skits. I cringed watching that clip–since it represents everything I fear Jive intends doing with his talent–which is to package it for small kids. As you point out, it’s going to be a hard act to shake later on. David needs to stay as far away from Disney as possible.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I just canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t help getting that Donny Osmond vibe from everything that is going onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦especially with the Utah and Mormon connection.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Yesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’which is why Disney is a destructive path for Archie to go down. What heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s doing now in the UK was the right way to goà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’wowing the crowds with Angels and ZG, opening for McFly, not doing Hannah Montana skits. I cringed watching that clipà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’since it represents everything I fear Jive intends doing with his talentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’which is to package it for small kids. As you point out, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to be a hard act to shake later on. David needs to stay as far away from Disney as possible.

What’s interesting is that somehow Disney artists get credibility nowadays. Jonas Brothers were on the cover of Rolling Stone (with a positive cover story – I read it) and were nominated for a best new artist Grammy!! (ridiculous IMO but true). Disney is no longer the death sentence or stigma it used to be. Plain White Tee’s are even on Hollywood Records (the Disney label and IMO a better fit for David than Jive, if you look at their roster)…

http://hollywoodrecords.go.com/

I used to be against Disney for David but now I am for whatever gets him exposure. I also agree that he is young for his age (personally) and while musically he is mature, in the real world image matters too. Let’s not forget for every huge fan he had on AI, there were plenty who made fun of his immaturity and couldn’t get past that.

One other thing is that Jive’s/Azoff’s Marketing/PR teams have A LOT more access to information than we do. Jive is likely monitoring Archie’s blog commentary (positive vs negative), awareness and favorability among different demo groups, as well as getting direct feedback from Radio Program Directors, bookers, producers, you name it. They may not have all the answers, but they probably have a more accurate feel for where Archie can make inroads in the short term. Since he himself decided he didn’t want to be a “lame imitation of Josh Groban,” and his image probably is too squeaky-clean for most adults age 18-34, his people must have decided until he matures a bit more personally, targeting the tweens is the way to go for now.

Makes sense to me :innocent1_tb:

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not an Idol superfan. ROFL. Post-show career stuff Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m interested in. The show itself is kind of dull for me. And Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve only ever supported one contestant.

And what an, erm, devoted fan you are.

But seriously? You and ggdoors aren’t teenagers? The up to the minute DA updates and long posts were screaming teen girl. Sorry for the mistake!

“David said he wants to learn from her, and I get why. Demi is a pro. Sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s got a lot of stage presence and she knows exactly what sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s doing when sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s up there. She knows how to work a crowd. She got the chance to write more of the stuff on her album than he did.”

Are you serious? David doesn’t need lessons on how to work a crowd. It could well be the other way around. David’s been a huge success on tours–and Demi might actually learn a few things from him at this point.

Sure she’s gotten the chance to write more stuff on her album than he has had–David was lucky to have done the album at all, given his hectic schedule. What he needs isn’t lessons from Demi Levato on how to write music, but more time to himself to be creative.

I like the song. I’m glad that Radio Disney is going to be playing a sneak preview on May 2nd. I hope that means that it is going to be on iTunes.

Are you serious? David doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need lessons on how to work a crowd. It could well be the other way around. Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been a huge success on toursà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and Demi might actually learn a few things from him at this point.

The moment he stops believing that there’s nothing left for him to learn is the moment his career is dead. I think he can determine what he feels he needs to work on. It takes a lot of self-awareness to know that you can learn something from most anybody.

nvm

well csfan… ya know they say ass- u- ming, especially when those ass-ump-tions are incorrect, makes an ass out of u, not me.. :smoke_tb:…

no shame in my game, honey, where david a is concerned…. :tongue1_tb: call it or me what you wanna – long as you spell my name right, it’s all good baby – hahahahaha…

cheers :bye_tb:

“The moment he stops believing that thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s nothing left for him to learn is the moment his career is dead. I think he can determine what he feels he needs to work on. It takes a lot of self-awareness to know that you can learn something from most anybody.”

Yeah–he can learn things from his dog too, I suppose. One of David’s endearing traits is his humility–but he carries it too far at times. Demi needs to earn her stripes before she becomes David’s musical mentor.

Yeahà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’he can learn things from his dog too, I suppose. One of Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s endearing traits is his humilityà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but he carries it too far at times. Demi needs to earn her stripes before she becomes Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s musical mentor.

Nobody was talking about her being a “mentor,” not even David. Things aren’t all so extreme–there can be middle ground.

Sometimes I wish David went with what you guys seem to think is the “legitimate artist” route, but now i think he should use the tween/teen market while he can still get it. This is David’s only chance to be a kid pop star. When he’s 20 or maybe even on his next album he can transition into a Jason Mraz/ John Mayer/ Sara Bareilles type artist.

I think this is a pretty good game plan:
2008: collect Idol Fans
2009: collect Disney fans
2010-2011: go the more “mature” route and maybe tour w/ Jason Mraz or Sara Bareilles (i’d love to see him do a duet w/ her) or another older artist.

I put “legitimate artist” and “mature” in quotations because I believe David is those things now!

Honestly David has made quite a name for himself:

Goes on American Idol, gets second place, tours in 50 cities all over the country

first single: debuts #2, is platinum, music video is number 1 for multiple weeks on VH1

Album: debuts #2, reaches Gold quickly

Tours w/ Jingle Balls

Sold out solo tour, preforms in Asia, preforms on American Idol, Tours in UK w/ Mcfly, guest appears on iCarly and Hannah Montana, and blogs about Invisible Children (he has been officially listed on their list as a mogul)

he can always improve but, i don’t think there is anything to complain about!
I think he’s doing a great Job! (except they should release this song and zero gravity)

Thanks karenw ! Are you gonna record it and post it up on youtube….???

This has got to be one of the most brilliant happenings on the entire net. But before I proceed, I must first ask this question of Mr. Praepos: Have you left any ink for the rest of us? Dude!

I must agree with Tess’ observations relative to David’s fanbase. It’s like he’s trapped in this tiny fishbowl with thousands peering in at him via microscope-aided, virtual telemetry. Geesh! I mean, that kid can’t zig, zag or even go straight without someone (including his own blood!) posting it all over youtube. And now to make things worse, I find out that he has his own Twitter following?! Are you serious? Whose stupid idea was that? Jeff’s? Jive’s? As IF he wasn’t over-worked and neurotic enough already, the boy is now compelled to respond in real-time to his fans’ reactions to…what (?)…HIS OWN actions?! Freakin’ ridiculous, that is! Somebody at Jive needs to terminate his Twitter account. Now.

Listen, as much as I adore David, I have to agree with those who contend that it’s better (for all involved) if we just put it all out in the open. No sugar or bull. And so…in that spirit, the truth of the matter is that David is not “cool,” “edgy,” or “controversial” enough to appeal to young adults (especially not males) between the ages of 18-30; he’s too young yet to be wasting away his life in Grobanland; and he’s fast becoming too old and too “yesterday’s news” to appeal to the much-vaunted pre-teen set. So…IMO, the only logical thing Team David can do right now is to work their butts off at wrangling up as many pre-teen and teen fans as they can possibly wrangle, with the goal being to lay the foundation for career phase II–whatever that may be.

Now, the trying and the doing are two different things! LOL.

I would never assume that Archie is being forced to tweet. Teens love being connected and he is always texting. Twitter is just a natural progression.

Archie is 18 and looks 16. He is not too old to appeal to tweens and teens. His marketing to them is just now taking off and all indications are he is gaining tons of new fans in that demographic. The Jonas Brothers are at the height of their popularity with the tweens and two of them are Archie’s age and older, one being 21 or 22 I believe.

I do agree Archie does not have the edge or hook to appeal to the over 20 set yet. As his music matures, he will.

“why are we bringing up examples of artists that are 70 years old or dead?”

Because David’s teen girl fans have reacted with the kind of intensity very few artists have ever inspired. The ones that come to mind are Sinatra, Elvis and the Beatles–who, like David, had a mutual love relationship going with their fans. Over and over critics cite “Beatlemania” to describe a concert venue comprised of David and screaming female fans. And David projects emotions through his singing that can bring both himself and his audience to a point of rapture. This is an unusual gift.

“Archie did a duet with One Republic because of AI, not because Ryan Tedder saw the light and embraced him. To the contrary, it is said Ryan Tedder has some disdain for Archie. The reality of todayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music business is that one must either be one of the 4 examples soundscene sighted in her post or one must look at other ways to stay in the publicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s eye. Singing 30 year old ballads, however beautiful, is not relevant and will get Archie no where at this point in his career.”

First, it didn’t matter what Tedder thought of Archie. The fact remained David commanded respect by means of his performance–which won the only standing ovation for a song that night. David–whether Tedder would admit it or not–fit right into that song and nailed it like a pro.

Second, nobody’s saying Archie should continue singing 30 year old ballads. That’s a straw man argument. What we’re saying is he needs to pitch his music to adults, not kiddies. Adults made Crush a hit, not 12yr. old kids. You get “relevance” by making good music–and you don’t have to have any particular kind of social graces to do it. You just have to perform well.

Most people here are critiquing David’s potential to become a celebrity, not to become a fine artist. The two are not the same. As a celebrity he’ll never be cool enough for the pop world. As an artist, he’ll sell out smaller venues but win grammies. He has, like any true original, the potential to create the taste by which he’ll be appreciated. He needn’t go the Britney route or the Jonas Brothers route. He can shape a musical identity uniquely his own.

Such high expectations. The reality is, David didn’t get plucked out of obscurity by a record company scout who saw his potential for fine artistry. That, of course, would have been the ideal. But the fact of the matter is that he placed high in a reality singing competition. One that he chose to enter. He therefore has to deal with the consequences of that scenario, i.e., following the plan set up for him by his record company. Do any of us think that David Cook’s album is exactly the album he wanted? It’s just the way it goes with AI. These kids don’t have as much autonomy as other artists might. I don’t like it, but I am not going to waste my energy complaining about something that I can’t change.

I am not one to cheer over every move David and his peeps make simply because he’s David. But I’m also not going to allow myself to feel constant frustration and disappointment because he’s not following my own personal agenda for him.

Sure there’s high expectations. Some of us still believe exceptional talent should be recognized and rewarded. Why else do fans invest time and effort? It’s not complaining to make points on blogs such as these. It’s a way to communicate with the labels–who might actually take note–and even value what some fans are thinking.

I’m not denying David’s talent. I’m not even denying having certain expectations of my own. Do I hope that those expectations are met one of these days? Absolutely! Would I rather him be singing “my” kind of music? Of course.

I guess I’m just a little rattled by this idea that “real fans” (to use your phraseology) know better than other fans, or professionals, or David himself, how his career should be handled. Or that the opinions of these “real fans” weigh so heavily that a record exec will read some comments on a blog or two and change the course of David’s career.

The fact is that without marketing to a lucrative demographic and making money for your label, an artist will never have the opportunity to showcase an exceptional talent to more than a handful of people. I am not saying that a person has to sell out and I don’t think he is selling out. He is smart enough to know that he has to pay his dues at this point in his career.

“I guess Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just a little rattled by this idea that à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“real fansà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (to use your phraseology) know better than other fans, or professionals, or David himself, how his career should be handled.”

I guess I’m rattled by the thought that I would ever say that. Reread my posts and you’ll see you are mischaracterizing what I’ve been saying. I never intimated that some fans were superior to others in some way–only that David should be singing to adults, not kids, and that Jive should be keeping him far away from Disney for this reason. .

The fact is that without marketing to a lucrative demographic and making money for your label, an artist will never have the opportunity to showcase an exceptional talent to more than a handful of people.

I agree. And I think that’s part of the divide here. Is it best to take the more “artistic” route, which would result in a smaller, more insulated fanbase early on? A fanbase that would presumably grow over time, but at a slower rate?

Or is it best to earn more fans early on, fans who will, with luck, stick along for the ride as David matures? Fans who will be there as he changes musically?

I’ll admit that the first, more organic approach, is a better story. No one would ever criticize David of being a sellout. But it’s also a much riskier approach, and one that could, realistically, leave David without a career. Sorry, I just don’t see Jive, with the money they’re investing in David, being willing to take that risk.

Where you and I differ, praepos, is in this notion that David’s association with Disney will ruin his career. It may not be the route we would like to see him take, but I still think the final destination can be just as satisfying.

“Somebody at Jive needs to terminate his Twitter account. Now. ”

right… cause obviously jordin doesnt twitter(jordins been recording and went rolloerblading yesterday), neither does jason or brooke(she had warm fresh bread yesterday).. neither does jennette(icarly) neither does john mayer… neither does paula… neither does like everybody… *eyeroll* Dude can twitter if he wants.

“The fact is that without marketing to a lucrative demographic and making money for your label, an artist will never have the opportunity to showcase an exceptional talent to more than a handful of people. I am not saying that a person has to sell out and I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think he is selling out. He is smart enough to know that he has to pay his dues at this point in his career.”

So how has David NOT made money singing for adults? His first album went gold and is still selling, though slowly. His first single went platinum and is still selling. His tours are sold out. He has been a huge success abroad in Asia and now in the UK.

I will grant Disney would mean more commercial success in the long run. But it comes at a price–with a loss of respect for David as an artist. He will be stereotyped with Miley and the Jonas Bros. as a kids’ celebrity, not as a talent the industry needs to take seriously.

I guess Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m rattled by the thought that I would ever say that. Reread my posts and youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll see you are mischaracterizing what Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been saying.

This is what I read:

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not what we had hoped he would achieve when we watched him during S7. Just the opposite. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what the bashers dismissively said he was good forà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’the kind of fluff this episode represents. Real fans wanted just the opposite. We wanted him to run as far away from Disney as possible. Now too many seem to be settling for anything to get him noticed, even when ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s crap.

I did not intentionally mischaracterize what you said. I must have misunderstood your words. My apologies.

I hate the term “David himself” when fans refer to the road that has been taken for David’s career. David, and I love this kid dearly, is absolutely not capable of making these major career decisions on his own….very few 18 year olds are. Sure David chose to try out for American Idol but I don’t think he ever envisioned where it would lead in such a short time. He is at the mercy of the “older generation” that should have his best interests in mind but have seemed to have gotten themselves caught up in the frenzy surrounding David. His “older fans” are doing him no favors by acting like 12 year olds, themselves, as they blindly follow the lead of his unskilled management (and yes I mean his Father and the hometown buddies). We should be screaming for more of the good stuff from David (his bonus tracks are pretty good) instead of being complacent with the drivel that was his first album.

His Peep know that his album stuff is just fluff. Why do you think that he has been singing covers on his tours…because that music is good and David does a great job with it.

If his fans really had David’s best interest at heart they should be up in arms on his fansites that TPTB are dumming David down. They should be screaming for better and more relative material. They need to want to hear the great voice singing a great song instead of being so damn complacent and saying “It’s OK, we don’t care that David is wasting himself on Tweeny Boppers when he has a real gift to share”. Hopefully his fans will recognize that they aren’t doing David any real favors by not forcing him to grow up and become an adult!

“So how has David NOT made money singing for adults? His first album went gold and is still selling, though slowly. His first single went platinum and is still selling. His tours are sold out. He has been a huge success abroad in Asia and now in the UK.”

you realize right he had to finance his solo tour AND the uk tour himself right? Sony paid the asian promo but not the rest…. and you do know that he lost some money on the solo tour despite being sold out(most likely not long enough to cover fixed costs)

Where he’ll most likely make money is from the Demi tour.
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ETA:
“If his fans really had Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s best interest at heart they should be up in arms on his fansites that TPTB are dumming David down. They should be screaming for better and more relative material. They need to want to hear the great voice singing a great song instead of being so damn complacent and saying à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s OK, we donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care that David is wasting himself of Tweeny Boppers when he has a real gift to shareà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . Hopefully his fans will recognize that they arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t doing David any real favors by not forcing him to grow up and become an adult!”

Trust me there’s always drama going back and forth about this on his site. but really we shouldnt be demanding he do this or that or whatever. Its fine to hope he does something but not to the point he’s trying to please everyone but himself.

He knows he has fans of different ages and made mention of it in some interview in asia.. that sometimes its hard to try to balance it out or something like that. lol He likes pop music and likes doing it. I think its more important to do something he’s more happy with than trying to please everyone. Its just not going to happen. especially with the wide range of ages his fans are. But he recognizes that he’s not quite ready to be doing the more ‘mature and respected yada’ stuff. He knows that.. and he’s not there yet. I think its great he’s experimenting with different things now rather than later.

Even Demi said her next cd she was hoping to do more of the ‘john mayer’ style/route/influence type of thing.

We cant really judge anything without even having heard his next cd… you dont know that he is going to be doing the ‘disney fluff and stuff’ just because he’s doing a tour with demi or have appearances here and there… doesnt dictate whats going to be on his next cd…

I didn’t realize he lost some money on his solo tour. How do you know this (just curious). That was an awfully large expenditure of energy, effort and time to end up losing money on. I didn’t realize he was financing his UK tour either. I thought this was all Jive promoting him. I must be really out of the loop, lol.

ETA, I don’t think in the long run David will be associated with Disney, as he has never been with them…he just pops up among them.

Hopefully his fans will recognize that they arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t doing David any real favors by not forcing him to grow up and become an adult!

I do not think it is my job as David’s fan to “force” him to do anything. My job is to buy his music if and only if I like it. Jive will see what fans want based on what they buy. Obviously it’s not as dramatic as a vocal campaign against TPTB, but in the end I think it will be more productive. And more helpful to David’s career. As bad as Disney may be, I’m also not so sure it helps his image to have hoards of fans publicly expressing their lack of faith in his ability to make career decisions.

And by saying “David himself” I never implied that he is capable of making all of his decisions alone (heck I can’t and I’m almost 40), but I do think that he is more than capable of weighing in.

ETA:

Trust me thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s always drama going back and forth about this on his site. but really we shouldnt be demanding he do this or that or whatever. Its fine to hope he does something but not to the point heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s trying to please everyone but himself.

Yes, frogcooke.

ETA ^^ right, what you said lefty.

Yeah he is financing the uk tour himself… lol

People keep asking in interviews about fame and fortune.. lol and recently he’s been says.. ‘yeah not the fortune department yet.. hopefully’ lol and says ‘its like running a buisness, alot of people need to get paid’

frogcooke….?

Not to be flippant, but are you David’s accountant? I didn’t know that this kind of information, if true, is put out for public consumption.

Also, your phrasing makes it look like David is putting his signature on the checks and the money is coming directly out of his pocket. It may be coming out of the “working” capital but not out of the artist’s direct share.

Tess im just saying.. by financing i mean the label isnt paying for it.. lol Like they did with the asian promo tour. Im just posting what Ive heard… but take it for what you will lol. Probably should say, Im pretty sure he hasnt made money on the solo tour.

lol And im sure my phrasing leaves much to be desired… im not the best at writing and getting my thoughts out haha. Im probably more rambly if not more so than david.. though im not entirely sure thats possible.

and even on daughtrys early tours he’s said he barely broke even. its not really uncommon..

My head is spinning and I’m a getting a headache. I just want to hear Archie sing ANYTHING. lol

The days are moving soooo slow. Archie will be here soon and I hope he will sing “Zero Gravity” and we can jump dance. ha ha

Why can Archie not sing for everyone?

Stay gold Archie

really we shouldnt be demanding he do this or that or whatever

Why can’t we demand…we are the consumer. If I’m not vocal about what I want then I have only one other way of showing it. I don’t want to stop supporting David but if I can’t express my dissatisfaction with the current product because I might hurt David’s feelings then I might as well give up on ever having something I want…and yes I want. David gave me a taste and I want more. If he wants to sell to me he has to figure out a way to do it…I’m not going to do his marketing for him, that isn’t my job.

My head is spinning and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a getting a headache

yeah, me too :)

I’m off to vacuum about 10 pounds of pollen out of my house. Have a good day everyone!

Well theres a difference in voicing your opinion over something, than say doing a ‘campaign’ saying david we dont want you doing this this and this, you have to do this this and this. He’ll do what he wants to do…
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“Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m off to vacuum about 10 pounds of pollen out of my house. Have a good day everyone!”

yeah i need to get stuff done too bleh.. haha
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i’ll leave you all with this nice quote I found on my twitter this morning haha

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

“but really we shouldnt be demanding he do this or that or whatever.”

Why not? David made an impact on AI last year because of his incredible voice. But following the AI tour we’ve heard it only on rare occasions–a glory note here and there–but nothing that has featured his vocals at their best. The album track of Angels is a case in point of how a good song was spoiled by noisy over-processing showing little regard for David’s art. So my question to you would be–is all this about making good music for grownups, or is it about making David a celebrity for children? Jive has already answered that question–and apparently a lot of David’s fans are fine with the answer.

“you realize right he had to finance his solo tour AND the uk tour himself right? Sony paid the asian promo but not the restà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. and you do know that he lost some money on the solo tour despite being sold out(most likely not long enough to cover fixed costs)”

David may have lost some money–but how has JIVE lost money in the adult marketplace? Answer–it hasn’t. It’s not about losing money in the adult marketplace at all, it’s about making even MORE money selling songs to kids. But this comes at a price–and that price may be too high in terms of his career as an artist.

“People keep asking in interviews about fame and fortune.. lol and recently heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been says.. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹yeah not the fortune department yet.. hopefullyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ lol and says à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹its like running a buisness, alot of people need to get paidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢”

How does this comment translate into his actually losing money? As I read it, he just didn’t score big once everybody got paid. That’s true in any business situation. Sometimes the boss gets less than his employees–depending on how vital those employees are. But that doesn’t mean the business took a loss.

How did he lost money on his solo tour?? He said on a radio interview you only get a piece of the pie or something like that. There are so many people involved when you are touring. How do you know for sure this to make such a statement, are you his relative, manager or what????

I first was surprised that David was going to tour with Demi, but I did some research among the teens (not tweens) and most of them like her, they also had her songs in their ipods, but when I asked about the JB they said you cannot see any guy on a JB tour that is for sure…..LOL
Well, I found this pic, apparently Demi was also in London
http://justjaredjr.buzznet.com/2009/04/22/demi-lovato-london-lover/

I don’t really think that his management sits and looks at these boards and says, “Oh, we have to make sure we sell to Tess, or Praepos, or Buddy!” I’m sure they’re aware they can’t please everyone at the same time. It’s impossible.

He’s got more to gain than to lose right now. He’s not choosing one side over the other, I see it more that he’s burning both ends of the candle, just one end might burn a little brighter at times, but there’s always a flame at both ends. If we choose to put the flame out because we don’t agree with this decision or that decision, that’s our own choice. I would rather sit back and watch him succeed. Touring with Demi gives him a chance to rake in some of the younger fans, but along with them comes the 20, 30, 40 year old adult parents who likely don’t know much or anything about him. Whatever “adults” might leave because of this decision to tour, or this television show, I’m sure he will make up for in spades. And maybe, just maybe, he might be able to reach more people, regardless of their age, with his music. After all, I seem to recall THAT was important to him.

After reading tons about this whole touring business and particularly about Idol contestants, it is completely believable that Archie lost money on his solo tour. It was a short tour and had no big sponsors. No way he could recoup his investment on that and I believe he probably knew that going into it. I always felt he put that tour together to 1, thank his hardcore loyal fans and 2, use it as a training ground, practice run, for a bigger tour down the road. It was also used to prove he was capable of handling the rigors of a tour to future tour bookers and to create buzz, which it certainly accomplished.

Daughtry toured for a full year and stated he barely broke even.

Sparks stated in an interview that it took her a year post idol to make any money.

So my question to you would beà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’is all this about making good music for grownups, or is it about making David a celebrity for children? Jive has already answered that questionà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and apparently a lot of Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans are fine with the answer.

Why does this have to be black or white? Archie is making fun music for tweens and teens but he is still performing songs like Angels live. I am capable of thinking in a full spectrum of colors and I highly recommend it to others. It makes life much more interesting.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really think that his management sits and looks at these boards and says, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Oh, we have to make sure we sell to Tess, or Praepos, or Buddy!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re aware they canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t please everyone at the same time. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s impossible.

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s got more to gain than to lose right now. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not choosing one side over the other, I see it more that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s burning both ends of the candle, just one end might burn a little brighter at times, but thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s always a flame at both ends. If we choose to put the flame out because we donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t agree with this decision or that decision, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s our own choice. I would rather sit back and watch him succeed. Touring with Demi gives him a chance to rake in some of the younger fans, but along with them comes the 20, 30, 40 year old adult parents who likely donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know much or anything about him. Whatever à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“adultsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  might leave because of this decision to tour, or this television show, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure he will make up for in spades. And maybe, just maybe, he might be able to reach more people, regardless of their age, with his music. After all, I seem to recall THAT was important to him.

this. no need to add or subtract a word from this post. you’ve spoken well and succintly for many david fans, sir.

Although I can see the truth in all sides of this debate, I feel that each fan always has a choice to support or not by buying the song, album or ticket when such items are of worth to us. Beyond that, we can do little. Yes, we can argue on the boards, but to me it feels a bit like seeing your neighbors’ driveway conversation and then deciding we know the status of their marital happiness. We only see pieces. We don’t know what’s happening beyond the walls. I’m thinking, as others are, that the Lovato tour is only a piece of the campaign to allow David to continue his music career.

Why canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t we demandà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦we are the consumer. If Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not vocal about what I want then I have only one other way of showing it. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to stop supporting David but if I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t express my dissatisfaction with the current product because I might hurt Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s feelings then I might as well give up on ever having something I wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and yes I want.

These kind of posts make me sad for David. He is working his butt off. He has rarely had any days off for over a year. His career is just getting esstablished and he is trying to find direction. He hasn’t even been signed to his label for a solid year yet. It takes time. This business isn’t as simple and cut and dry as some of you think it is. All this armchair managing his career and complaining and fussing is doing nothing to help him. What it IS doing is making people who read these posts get frustrated and it takes all the joy and fun out of watching all the things that he IS accomplishing.

Im quite content at watching what he does with his career and all the stuff that goes with it. Though im probably easy to please… haha Mellow go with the flow kinda person. Its all really fun if you take a step back and decide to watch. Im just glad he’s doing anything at all. No stress is the way to look at it. Try to relax and such. Makes ya much more happier. Least for me. Stressing over things you dont need to stress over doesnt do anyone any good. but its sometimes fun discussing things just the same. Yeah i might not like everything that happens or i might get miffed at somethings but I say, ‘hey what happens happens’

I tried to delete my above comment because I may have inadvertently broken a rule but it wouldn’t let me. I keep getting a comment failed to load pop up.

Anyway, I guess I’ll take a break from here because I want my entertainment stressfree w/o having to know if every career decision is life or death. It is getting a little too OTT for me.

Frogcooke, you have the perfect attitude.

Until recently, I was one of those who felt more than disappointed with the direction David’s career was heading (Nickelodeon, Disney, the Lovato Tour) As a mature adult fan, my selfish feeling was that it was just a huge waste of David’s talent to be focused on entertaining teens and preteens. I was, and still am in awe of David. I think he is a gifted singer and, from what I have witnessed, he may be one of the finest humans on the planet. I have finally gotten over my own selfishness and accept the fact that David’s career path is what it is. I only hope and wish the best for him, he will always have my support and admiration. Yes, I have purchased tickets to one of his concerts this summer, and I will stand in the eighth row with pride alongside my fellow David Archuleta fans, both young and old.

awww see thats the way to do it brewster. *thumbs up*

btw cani just say I love luckeee, I *heart* you lol In that non weird, non creepy way.

So I don ´t think I have the energy to argue about the demissed of David ´s career, because I don ´t think it has arrived yet…an I ´m really tired of thinking about the music bussines, when I really don ´t know how the music bussines works… I will said that as long as David is happy and can continue to do music…I ´m happy….

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Isnt this from the Episode 1 of Star Wars???? am I giving away that IÂ ´m a nerd????

Everyone have a pleasent day….

“Why does this have to be black or white? Archie is making fun music for tweens and teens but he is still performing songs like Angels live.”

I get the fun music part. So far he’s only been pleasing the kids–but he’s capable of much more. I didn’t mind when he pitched to the younger crowd. That was to be expected, he’s young himself. But aiming for tweens is counterproductive. It turns off more fans than it will attract.

I guess I have lost my cred as a David Archuleta fan. Since I don’t support his career path I am now officially a “bad” fan. Ok, so be it. Why is it so important for a “true” fan to think that all things David are wonderful and beautiful. That is such a narrow view and that is unfair to David. I have loved Artists before David but thought some of their “choices” were idiotic and stupid. I have selectively chosen which Albums of theirs I would buy or not buy, which concerts I would go to or not go to. Some, I still support 40 years later, have gone from vinyl, 8 track, tape, and CDs and still google them. Others, I gave up hope and didn’t replace my 8 tracks. It is the over-zealous, everything is rosy fan that makes it difficult for the rest of us to stay attached. I now understand why fan bases implode.

“It turns off more fans than it will attract.”

Have you been using your crystal ball again praepos?

Tess you arent a bad fan.. lol And its fine to pick and choose what albums you may or may not want. I think thats the whole point… not everything he does will appeal to all age ranges of his fans.

Like right now.. just beacuse he’s aiming younger doesnt make it wrong or a bad thing for him.. he’s got lots of time for more music, ya know.

I think its fine to not be happy with what he’s doing if you arent happy with it. and its fine if you voice it. However i dont really think is right to expect him to do everything we want him to do or not do.
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all things arent wonderful, not saying that. but what I think im trying to say, there’s no real use in stressing over things you ultimately cant control.

for example because this is the most popular one. Am i happy jive didnt release ZG.. no.. I think it could be a good song for him to release and I love it. Its a touchy topic, but you know.. its one song.. I realize theres no use in stressing over the fact if it will or will not get released and im not happy about it but, everything will be fine, his career wont hinge on it. No point in stressing on it anymore, and im happier for it. Not something i can control.

Like I dont think this younger bit is going to hurt him.. but thats just me. He’ll progress how he progresses and im fine with it. I’m not going to place my expectations on him, because its just going to lead to disappointment. I think thats the main thing i was trying to get at.

We can all ponder and speculate and compare/contrast to other people all day long about his career and where its going and what its doing. But in reality we just dont know what will happen. So many variables etc etc. Nothing is written in stone. THis is where the no stress thing comes in, personally im not gonna stress over stuff that I dont know whats going to happen with. I’ve decided to turn my negative filter off.

“These kind of posts make me sad for David. He is working his butt off. He has rarely had any days off for over a year. His career is just getting esstablished and he is trying to find direction. He hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even been signed to his label for a solid year yet. It takes time. This business isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t as simple and cut and dry as some of you think it is. All this armchair managing his career and complaining and fussing is doing nothing to help him. What it IS doing is making people who read these posts get frustrated and it takes all the joy and fun out of watching all the things that he IS accomplishing.”

I see it differently. The split in the fanbase was perhaps inevitable since people perceive David so differently. If you focus exclusively on his talent as an artist, you have to be disappointed in this new direction toward a kind of Disney popularity. Being a fan is a two-way street. An artist can’t pitch his songs at a very young audience and expect to hold his older fans. If older fans speak up–that’s to be expected. People close to David read these blogs–they need these warnings.

I guess I have lost my cred as a David Archuleta fan. Since I don’t support his career path I am now officially a “bad” fan. Ok, so be it. Why is it so important for a “true” fan to think that all things David are wonderful and beautiful.

I hear you Tess. And I run my blog so that fans like you DO have a voice. I suspect if you voiced your “negative” opinions on a DA fan board, you would be run off with torches and pitchforks.

Having said that, this thread, while redundant, has been respectful so far. If you continue the conversation, please keep it that way.

Tess, no one called anyone a bad or true fan nor did they (I ) say that you had to be happy or rosy with all decisions. The point that I was trying to make is that when ppl express the same opinion so many times in the same thread it gets redundant and the point is lost.

The point that I was trying to make is that when ppl express the same opinion so many times in the same thread it gets redundant and the point is lost.

If it’s true for one side, it also works for the other, imo.

And I do like that this thread has stayed respectful. *thumbs up*

ETA: lol mj that is true. lol

maybe we have a thing for redundancy.. haha

What I admire most about David is his talent and artistry, although I think each person sees artistry a little differently. He has MANY talents which he has chosen to share with the world. Many people recognized those talents early.

I don’t consider myself a “bad” fan just because I don’t love every song on his CD. As a matter of fact, when it first came out it was hard for me to get used to the over production. He certainly doesn’t need that. There were a few songs that I liked immediately – Don’t Let Go being one of them. I’m certainly in a minority because I’ve read that many people didn’t like it until they saw him perform it live. It would have been one of my first picks as a second single as I think it shows a completely different side of him compared to what people saw on the show and it is less processed. I also feel that many of the bonus songs were more what I would expect to hear him, like Works For Me.

That being said, my kids liked songs like Barriers and Desperate. Whether we all like the CD or not doesn’t stop us from turning it up in the car and all of us singing to the top of our lungs. It’s just fun!!!

I wasn’t sure about the Demi tour, but have found that MANY teenagers really like her and my 16 and 18 year old daughters and I will be seeing him again in Atlanta. They would not have gone if it had been Miley. I wasn’t sure about HM, but the outcome has been better than I could have imagined. We may not like the thought of sharing with the younger fans, but there’s something to be said for the buying power of their parents. I’ve seen it firsthand.

I wish David was able to make the decisions right now, but there are just some things out of his control. Right now he’s got to gain as many fans as he can and make as much money as he can. He’s doing that to the best of his ability, and succeeding. I want him to continue doing this so I have the opportunity to continue listening, enjoying, and singing his songs to the top of my lungs. That’s the most and the best we can do. If I didn’t like it, I certainly wouldn’t buy it. There are many artists that I like, but I don’t buy all their music. It’s the nature of the beast.

There were a few songs that I liked immediately – Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Let Go being one of them. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m certainly in a minority because Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve read that many people didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like it until they saw him perform it live. It would have been one of my first picks as a second single

From the beginning Don’t Let Go has been my favorite song on the album.
I luuuurrrrve it. Just so you know you’re not alone… ;)

(And to me it sounds similar to Pink’s new single, which is one of the few top 40 songs I enjoy right now.)

MJ, I like your blog because it is kind of like going to your neighborhood bar and having a nice spirited conversation, whereas, visiting some of the other fan boards is kind of like going to church, you really have to watch what you say and be on your best behavior.

Frogcooke, I saw your comment above and I am blushing right now. Thank you. Reading your comments is always a pleasure for me.

^^ nice metaphor, brewster

… accurate too!

Still not a fan of Dont Let Go.. LOL Let Me Go I’ve listened to maybe twice total.. dont like it… lol

Heh luckeee love your posts too. :)

mmmm yeah I don’t like Let Me Go either. In fact I can’t even hum it right now, that’s how long it’s been since I even heard it.

Yeah, I don’t like Let Me Go. Don’t care for Running either. I know Frog likes YEDL … . I had to get used to the whistling.

rofl I love love yedl hahaha love running too lol

Running’s my second fave … love the piano.

I seem to like the songs that get the least amount of love.

I recently fell in love with Running too actually lol

*lol, I haven’t read anything since page 2. Not planning on it either

“rightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ cause obviously jordin doesnt twitter(jordins been recording and went rolloerblading yesterday), neither does jason or brooke(she had warm fresh bread yesterday).. neither does jennette(icarly) neither does john mayerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ neither does paulaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ neither does like everybodyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ *eyeroll* Dude can twitter if he wants….”

1) Ok, so there’s no need for the sarcasm, eye-rolling or general sass. :-) You obviously disagree with me , and that is your right. However,
2) I would ask you this: Since when does the excuse of “everybody else does it” cut it around here?
3) Stars were made and broken long before Twitter. It’s a luxury (or a burden), not a necessity.
4) And re: #2, honestly, I don’t care about Brooke’s bread or Jennette’s anything, I just care about David…and I don’t think he needs to be “apologizing” in real-time on Twitter for a particular performance–or for anything for that matter. It’s not healthy or normal. Besides, none of us really needs to know what he’s eating or thinking or doing on a minute-by-minute basis. Do we? And yet, knowing David as we (think) we do, we can rest assured that he would seek to accomodate our every whim–to surpass our every standard (see “apology Twitter” reference).
5) Clearly, David’s fans can be selfish, demanding and unreasonable at times. We should all just back off.

5) Clearly, Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fans can be selfish, demanding and unreasonable at times. We should all just back off.

Don’t tell posters what to do. This isn’t a David Archuleta fan site. NOBODY needs to back off David here, so cool it, please.

Although I will agree with your first point. Peeps need to back off the sarcasm.