The Bible teaches the Gay lifestyle is an abomination. Therefore, those who believe in the God of the Bible, follow it’s teachings.

Yet, I guarantee you that many who claim to follow the teaching of the Bible eat shellfish, and isn’t that supposed to be an abomination? I have to wonder how many people running around condemning gay people are also having shrimp for dinner. Things that make you go hmmmm….

Eventually she will grow into these songs and then who knows what will happen? I don’t see her as being as successful as Avril Lavigne though.

When I talk of looks, I am thinking of how Avril had her own fashion statement that became associated with Avril.

I did not have time to review all the videos with Kris on it, I did review some and from what I saw yes he did wear the wedding ring on the show, so that was a misstatement on my part, however, you are not 100% correct either in saying he wore the ring in every single picture – there’re 2 recent pictures taking by Allison and Danny on Top 4 (the one that shows Danny with a clean shaven look and without glasses) that shows he did not wear the ring on either hand.

So Kris wore the ring all the time during competition and some recent photos showing he did not wear the ring post competition, red flag? Actually I totally agree with you that this shouldn’t matter, my point as you might figure out is when this “should not matter” thing happened to Danny, then it became something hugely matter to some posters.

His wife, Katy, was NEVER hidden on the show. She was in the audience with the caption ‘Kris’ Wife’. She was in his intro package sitting on the couch with him, wearing the matching red aprons Aunt Gladys gave them as a wedding present. (Simon commented that he should have kept her hidden) She was sitting on the back of the car seat with him in the hometown parade. She spent the entire time he was on the show IN Los Angeles.

Kris didn’t hide the fact that he’s married or Katy EVER for votes.

With all that said, I have no big problem with Danny wearing a ring or not, or the fact that sometimes he does and sometimes he doesn’t.

Now when do we get the Kris Allen Billboard interview? Or did I miss it?

Also, just because Kris does not have as big of a voice as the others does not mean he does not have a great voice- for the most part, he was on pitch, great tone and phrasing,etc. In a TV Guide interview, the vocal coach for AI (her name is slipping my mind right now) she told Justin and Kim Caldwell praised Kris and called him a “quiet fire.” She was also describing Danny and talking about how he has to learn the subtleties of working a song instead of full on belting it through, but then she stopped herself and said that she thinks Danny just has not had time to process his wife’s death and everything is go go go. That’s part of the reason why I think Danny had a hard time on the show. Also, I don’t think not wearing a ring means anything.

kokko: If AI is all about manipulation and not about finding talents, then what does it say about Kris being the winner this year?

First: I didn’t say it’s all about manipulation and not about finding talents. I said it’s not about finding the best talent, and I said there is a lot of manipulation. I think the show strives first and foremost for “entertainment” that will get the most viewers. And I think it does that by trying to find a combination of talented singers and TV drama. I think they get the TV drama by selecting contestants with sob stories / heartwarming stories / whatever you want to call them, such as Danny, Scott, and single moms Lil and Alexis. I think they also select some more talented singers to throw into the pool in order to achieve some credibility that it’s really a talent show. Thus you have people like Kris, Adam, Allison, and Jesse Langseth.

And therefore, second: Kris being the winner this year (and Allison making it to 4th) says that talent won out over backstory.

As for Keith Urban and Lionel Richie saying Danny was their favorite, okay, fine. Maybe they like his style best, or maybe they had some other reasons. I said earlier in the thread that I don’t think he’s an awful singer and I even liked a bit of what he did. And given the pool of people who were selected for the top 13, I think he was probably worthy of finishing maybe 7th or so — not bad. But the gap between him and the three top-tier talents (Kradison) is painfully obvious to me. Doesn’t make him bad. Just makes him not as good as they are.

aek: Oh, Kokko, don’t you know that Simon is the HONEST judge, until he says something good about the idol that you don’t like. lol.

I don’t think he’s honest. I think he’s an idiot. I think he’s so narrow-minded that he can’t appreciate anything outside the Danny/Lil adult-contemporary realm. This is the guy who reacted to Adam’s Ring of Fire masterpiece by saying “What the hell was that?” (And no, I’m not really an Adam fan, despite recognizing his immense talent.) This is the guy who’s pushing Susan Boyle, for god’s sake! :biggrin_wp:

canuck: Incidentally, [Avril] honed her musical chops at church for those who think Danny’s music background counts for nothin.

Of course his background doesn’t count for nothin. A whole lot of the best singers ever have gotten their young experience singing in church.

Avril is the total package(looks, talent and she had a marketing concept too-skater chick). Incidentally, she honed her musical chops at church for those who think Danny’s music background counts for nothin.

However, I don’t think she is the next Avril Lavigne if she wants to be anti-Disney.

OK…this one went clear over my head. I don’t recall Avril ever being Disney or sold as a Disney type entertainer. She was playing with the big guys from the get go. Besides she was 18 when she recorded her first album which took a long time since she insisted on co-writing and did a damn good job of it.

If Allison has her type of career…Wow!

Now for Danny. I thought this was a good interview. He’s coming along with being a little less wordy.

They will also go for the drama in the beginning to keep the interest of the show high. Did you really think Tatty would move on? We always have a few drama queens and kings who don’t deserve to be there….Sanjaya anyone? Name any year and there will be a person on the tour that made it for the drama or the cuteness and not for talent. A good mixture of the dramatic, the cute, the popular and those who actually have talent. Bottom line: It is show biz. It throws people into the machine just to watch them squirm. Only the strong survive.

Of course Simon could be wrong, he may be wrong sometimes when judging a particular performance, but he was seldom wrong as far as I remember on evaluating someone’s overall talents and potentials.

edit: again with the sarcasm directed at other posters…

There’s no question in my mind that the judges thought Danny could sing, and sing well. Simon didn’t mind criticizing Danny, but he would always say he could really sing. In fact, all of the judges thought Danny could sing well.

I’ve been watching this show a long time. Yes, they do “pimp” certain people, BUT when those people start showing that they don’t have the goods, they turn on them on a dime. I remember them pimping Kellie Pickler, but then as she started to screw up, they stopped with the compliments. Look what happened to Lil. It became very obvious that they wanted her gone.

I think the AI judges totally overpimped Danny and he did gain fans, but I don’t think he sings as well as Allison, Adam or Kris. He also doesn’t have the music knowledge or originality of Allison, Adam or Kris. Reality tv likes a good sob story and Danny had that and they went with it.

I know what I like and dislike and people really aren’t going to change my opinion. Danny does have fans and they should support him. It will be interesting to see if he can make it in the music industry. I’m inclined to think he won’t.

I don’t know what all the wedding ring thing is about, so without even knowing whether that was a wedding ring, the fact that he did not put on a ring or put back on again means he did not really love his wife as much as he claimed he did? Kris is married I don’t think he wore the wedding ring on the show. His wife has been kept a very low profile during the competition but no one seemed to criticize that as a tactic to gain female votes.

I understand Danny’s voice or singing may not appeal to everyone, but he does have the vocal talents, and he does stand out from the crowd. I remember that evening when he was eliminated, during the post show hours when contestants were interacting with fans and the media, Simon came to Danny with Paula standing next to him telling Danny he’s one of the best singers they had on the show, given Simon’s character and the fact that Danny was already eliminated, he did not have to say this if he was not genuinely feeling that way. Of course Simon could be wrong, he may be wrong sometimes when judging a particular performance, but he was seldom wrong as far as I remember on evaluating someone’s overall talents and potentials.

I also remember there was a short interview with Keith Urban (before it was announced he would have a duet with Kris) on who his favorite idol contestant was, and he answered Danny. In another interview, Lionel Richie was asked by Barbara Walters who should win this year’s AI competition, and Lionel said Danny should’ve won. We are talking seasoned musicians here, I can go on with the list but it does not matter the competition is over and as Danny says AI is a launching pad I hope he will get signed cos there are fans out there who want to listen to his original music and really don’t care all the personal character/religious/political bullshits that have been going on in the blogosphere.