Clive Davis Discusses Gay Bisexual Life in A New Book Kelly Clarkson

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That famed record executive, Clive Davis. has been romantically involved with men is no big secret–or a big deal for that matter. But, for the first time, David openly discusses his sexuality in his new memoir, The Soundtrack of My Life. From Rolling Stone Magazine:

Davis, who has been married and divorced twice, has never before publically addressed his sexuality. In a candid five-page section toward the end of the book, due in stores today, he writes that he first had a sexual encounter with a man during “the era of Studio 54.” “On this night, after imbibing enough alcohol, I was open to responding to his sexual overtures,” writes Davis, who says he had only been with women before. Being with a man, he writes, provided “welcome relief.”

After a period of “soul searching and self-analysis,” Davis separated from his second wife in 1985, and says that he went on to have simultaneous relationships with two women and a man. In 1990, he entered into a “monogamous relationship” with a male doctor, who is not named in the book. Although that relationship ended in 2004, Davis says he has been in a subsequent relationship with another man ever since. Davis writes that his coming out deeply affected his ties with one of his sons, Mitchell: After what Davis calls “one very trying year,” father and son worked out their differences, Davis says.

The book covers Davis’ post 1975 career, as founder of Arista and J Records “in great detail” and includes an in-depth discussion of his clash with Kelly Clarkson and her management over the release of 2007′s My December. Davis “recruited focus groups to offer opinions on a batch of the album’s songs, with very negative results.” Well. Reading this book = getting pissed off all over again. Hooray.

Davis will sit down with Katie Couric tomorrow on her afternoon talk show where I expect most of the conversation will be about his sexuality and relationship with Whitney Houston. We’ll probably have to buy the book to get the Kelly Clarkson scoop.

More on Kelly via EW:

American Idol season 1 winner Kelly Clarkson also enjoyed massive Davis-masterminded early success, particularly with her second album, 2004?s Breakaway. That collection included the megahit “Since U Been Gone,” a track, Davis recalls, which Clarkson adamantly did not want featured on the CD. (Davis writes that when he insisted “Since U Been Gone” be included, Clarkson burst into “hysterical sobbing.”)

Worse was to come. The artist and the executive fell out badly over Clarkson’s desire to write more songs on her next collection, My December. In Soundtrack, Davis recalls that he didn’t believe the Clarkson-copenned material contained a No. 1 hit and told the singer’s manager that he was “out of his mind” to believe otherwise. He also writes about a meeting with Clarkson in which he told her that My December was “a pop album that still needs pop hits.” While Clarkson prevailed in her creative vision, Davis was proven right in his commercial assessment of the material when My December failed to repeat the success of Breakaway.

 

 
  • jammasta

    My first instinct on seeing the picture was “Clive Davis looks like Kelly Clarkson when he’s in drag.”

    I feel dumb.

  • blackberryharvest

    The Kelly Clarkson stuff could be interesting at least. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

    Orphaned as a teenager, attended Harvard Law on a full scholarship. Became assistant counsel of CBS subsidiary Columbia Records at the age of twenty-eight and general counsel the next year.  Became president in 1967. Attended the Monterey Pop Festival and immediately signed Janis Joplin. Went on to sign Laura Nyro, Electric Flag, Santana, The Chambers Brothers, Bruce Springsteen, Chicago, Billy Joel, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Loggins & Messina and Pink Floyd. The company, which had previously avoided rock music, doubled its market share in three years. (per Wikipedia)

    That sounds more interesting to me than Studio 54 and his relationships.

    He’s now 80-years old, btw.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    I won’t pay a penny for this egomaniacal arseholes book. 
    The Kelly Clarkson stuff will just be a bunch of spin AGAIN.  I’m sure he won’t go into detail about his sexist treatment of her and his pathetically unprofessional slamming his own artist in public and purposely trying to sway the public against her and her album.  Nor will he detail the promotion dollars that were pulled before the album was even released.

    I hope Kelly won’t be shy about setting any of his lies straight this time around.  Although she might not want to be bothered by the old bag and bring any more attention to his self-aggrandizing blatherings.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Clive is an egomaniacal asshole. That is all.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I expect Clive to lie and spin to make himself look good in this book. I feel sorry for any of the Idols who had to deal with this jerk. He always gave me the creeps.

  • http://twitter.com/dy7764 dy

    I personally am a lot more interested in the Kelly Clarkson stuff.

  • jpfan2

    I always thought Clive was 100% gay and had been his whole life. I don’t think his battles with Kelly will factor much if at all in his book. He’s had a very long, interesting life. If the book focuses on any artists it’ll be Whitney not Kelly and some beef with her about song choices for an album.

    He might write about Idol though and working with Simon, etc. That could be interesting. As far as I know the only Idol Clive really respected as an artists was Fantasia.
    Everyone else was just business.

  • Liteasy

    I can’t stand this creep and am not interested in any of his garbage.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I think he respected Daughtry as well, he let him write most of his album and released songs he wrote as singles. He actually wanted to release “Home” first. Chris argued for “It’s Not Over”.

    EW has a piece up that details what he said about Kelly. It’s basically “blah blah blah I was right”. Heh.

  • windmills

    Meh.

    Yeah, My December didn’t have any uptempo smashes and I have no doubt that’s what the focus groups said. But MD had the best ballads Kelly’s ever recorded and those unfortunately got overlooked in a clash of egos (Clive versus Kelly’s manager Jeff Kwatinetz) with Kelly caught in the middle. Neither man had her best interests in mind.

    But at the end of the day, Kelly wanted a “course correction” in her career and Clive and Jeff were vehicles for her to get to where she needed and wanted to be: a place where she was a steady, well respected hitmaking presence who could actually enjoy a happy life working with people who treat her like a human being. 

  • chillj

    If the title of this book indicates the creativity level of Clive Davis, this book will be a bore.  What, were all the good titles take?  

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Exactly, windmills. I especially agree with this:

    “But MD had the best ballads Kelly’s ever recorded and those unfortunately got overlooked in a clash of egos (Clive versus Kelly’s manager Jeff Kwatinetz) with Kelly caught in the middle. Neither man had her best interests in mind.”

    That entire incident was a very public battle between Clive and Jeff, and none of it was beneficial to Kelly. I fault Jeff in particular, since he was her manager at the time and should have been looking out for Kelly’s best interests.

  • Jaejae1

    Artist and labels will always clash.  I remember that the MD conflict was very ugly but I don’t love that album. It isn’t near as good as Breakaway though it had some pretty songs on it.  But I still applaud Kelly for doing what her heart wanted even though it wasn’t commercially successful.  

  • Kirsten

     

    The Kelly Clarkson stuff will just be a bunch of spin AGAIN.  I’m sure
    he won’t go into detail about his sexist treatment of her and his
    pathetically unprofessional slamming his own artist in public and
    purposely trying to sway the public against her and her album.  Nor will
    he detail the promotion dollars that were pulled before the album was
    even released.

    From the excerpts, it sounds like you are correct. I’m sure he has clashed with artists all along, but he just has to prove he is right about Kelly. “Her biggest hit? That’s right, I made her sing it. She’s so out of touch, she sobbed about having to sing it.” Let it go, man. You won.

    Clive told anybody who would listen that Kelly’s MD sucked. RCA totally pulled support for the album. It might have failed anyway, but Clive’s thumb was definitely on the scale.  His ego is so massive, he just had to show her (and her manager) who was the boss.

  • mjsbigblog

    My December is my favorite Kelly Clarkson album. So…Whatever Clive.

  • potatorocks

    Kelly is on the top of the world right now.  I wish this wasn’t coming out at this time.   I suppose she will be asked about it in interviews etc. 

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    For a minute, I thought I was one of the few Kelly fans who didn’t really care for My December. *shurgs*

    Clive Davis is a slimeball, but so is LA Reid and Tommy Motolla. Doesn’t change the fact that Toni Braxton and Mariah Carey hasn’t had the same amount of success since they left them. Clive has an amazing track record, and there was a point where I thought if Kelly was overwhelmed by RCA’s record label BS, she could have left long time ago. Either way, this part of the tell all is very icky from his perspective because he’ll behave cocky about the fact that since the album flopped, he was right about it. Clive is just an old school mush who longs for the days where he can find another big voice ballad singer like Whitney. Thing is, Kelly is not as naive as Whitney was.

    As much as I enjoy recent Kelly singles and like the album Stronger as a whole, I still think Breakaway is her best work to date. Top 5 best pop rock album in a decade in my opinion. Still play the hell out of it to this day. 

  • Mateja Praznik

    Regarding My December, I’m Team Clive Davis all the way.

    Clive and RCA put a lot of money and effort into making “Breakaway” a classic pop album and with “My December” Kelly basically wanted to ruin everything.

    Kelly had to learn a tough lesson. I guess that’s one of those things that American Idol can’t teach. Clive is an old bastard and surely it’s not easy to deal with old label bosses. But sometimes those assholes do get it right.

    Regarding “Since U Been Gone”, well … Good thing Clive got his way.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ENXWTPQX7WDUGFKDMOUHAWCQMY Van

    “Because of You” was Kelly’s biggest world-wide hit (yes, bigger than SUBG) and Clive Davis hated that song. Kelly’s lawyer helped get it on the album. Clive also hated “Walk Away” which was another big single for her. The original SUBG isn’t the same song we all know and love— Kelly, Max, and Luke changed it from the original demo. 

    Like Simon Cowel said, “Kelly is not a puppet.” People forget that she turned down TWO record labels BEFORE American Idol, because they wanted to control her and even at just 19 years old she knew that wasn’t something she wanted.

  • http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

    Clive Davis is an icon in the music industry, and he does know what he’s talking about. Kelly has this immature side to her that annoys me. I still think she is way overrated. lol Let the barbs fly!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Clive is on “The View” now. He’s talking about all of the mega-stars he has discovered (he passed on John Mellencamp) and specifically about Whitney. Clive maintains that he’s really bisexual. He says that after the failure of his first marriage, that is what made him try relationships with men. He says that “bisexuality is real”. No mention of Kelly (which is good).

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “My December” was RIAA certified platinum. The lead single “Never Again” sold over platinum. So, that album wasn’t a “flop”, it just didn’t come near the commercial success of “Breakaway”, but I doubt that Kelly will ever have that kind of commercial success again. It’s disingenuous to consider that because MD didn’t “repeat the success of “Breakaway” that it was a “flop”.

  • escape

    Kelly Clarkson has somehow managed to float a career out of singing the same “someone done me wrong” song over and over again. Her greatest hits CD has only moved about 269k since Nov. Clive Davis may not be the nicest guy in the world, but his job is not to win some sort of mr congeniality with the public.

  • Incipit

    “Since U Been Gone”, well … Good thing Clive got his way.

    A “Better thing” that Kelly, Max, and Luke changed it from the original demo, into the song people now know.

    And even more interesting – “Because of You” was Kelly’s biggest world-wide hit (yes, bigger than SUBG) and Clive Davis hated that song. Kelly’s lawyer helped get it on the album.”

    A NumberNerd can come in and give the lie to all that ‘flop’ spin for “My December” I’m sure…if they want to – and there are plenty of quotes and annoying facts around to document what a jerk he was/is, and the mistakes that were made…in spite of all his ‘justifying’.  Which was already known.

    Always grateful to the fates that except for one peripheral brush with a minion, my own few Special Snowflakes from AI never had to deal with him, he had already been ‘promoted’ into being irrelevant to them. (Though I will always be convinced it was his influence that started the tradition of the Coronaries being such crap.)

     And after all this, the dude is in the AI lexicon for “Bicing” Bo – a synonym for screwing up his whole album…and not for any warfare with Kelly, not even for that truly wretched movie, or that ill-conceived world-wide winners singing contest, because she survives him…“to a place where she’s a steady, well respected hitmaking presence who could actually enjoy a happy life working with people who treat her like a human being.”

    Cryptkeeper Clive just wants his version of history in the archives while he still can.

    IMO. Of Course.

    ETA. re numbers, TY, fuzzywuzzy.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I like some songs on MD, but I’m not a fan of that album as a whole. However, so many Kelly fans love that album and regard it as her best. I think that Kelly hasn’t left RCA because she’s still under her original Idol contract and “owes” RCA one more album before her contractual commitment has been completed. I’m not sure though, and one of the more informed fans may have a more detailed (and accurate) explanation.

  • http://twitter.com/bluinjewin Landon Cox

    I remember Kelly said something like, if you’re going to have a signature song, make sure it’s one you like. I’ve never gotten the vibe that she didn’t like Since U Been Gone, she always has such high energy performing it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ENXWTPQX7WDUGFKDMOUHAWCQMY Van

     A greatest hits isn’t the same as a studio album though. Even RCA doesn’t count it as an album, and Kelly still owes them one more full-length studio album.

    Stronger went platinum and won a Grammy for Pop Vocal Album. She’s doing just fine ;)

    It should be noted that Clive was demoted by RCA years ago. He doesn’t work with as many artists as he used to.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “and Kelly still owes them one more full-length studio album”

    OK, I thought that was the case. Van, do you know if Kelly is still on her original Idol contract or did she renegotiate that contract? It seems a long time to still not have fulfilled her original Idol contract.

    “It should be noted that Clive was demoted by RCA years ago. He doesn’t work with as many artists as he used to.”

    According to wiki:

    Davis remained with RCA Label Group until 2008, when he was named chief creative officer for Sony BMG. Barry Weiss, head of Sony’s Zomba Group of Companies, replaced Davis as RCA Label Group’s chairman.[9] Sony BMG became Sony Music Entertainment in late 2008 when BMG sold its shares to Sony.[10] Arista Records and J Records which were both founded by Davis were dissolved in October 2011 through the restructuring of RCA Records. All artists under those labels have been moved to RCA Records.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TM3INAN5KDHD5E7B3BCZUOSCQM Sam

    I discovered Kelly through My December. I was on a rough patch that time and the album helped me cope with it. I don’t know where I’d end up without it. MD is Kelly’s best work to date, bar none. Seriously, are there other Kelly songs that can top Irvine, Maybe, Sober, and Chivas? Thank God we have artists like Kelly who understands the importance of upholding art above anything else.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ENXWTPQX7WDUGFKDMOUHAWCQMY Van

    I think she’s still under her original Idol contract. She owes them 6 studio albums. From what I’ve read, those 6 must be full-length, new material, studio albums. Greatest Hits, live, Christmas albums do not count.

    Kelly said she’s working on 2 albums right now. A lot of fans speculate one is a Christmas album and the other will be her 6th studio album.

  • Miz

    Yep. I loved the ballads on My December. Clive wanted that album to fail.

  • RustySax

    I wonder which label Narvel will hook Kelly up with once her RCA contract ends.

    Hopefully one where she’ll get a bigger piece of the pie, and also retain ownership of the masters.

  • ST7

    Curious also@how JHud got to him… Did he pick her up before or as d I assume after dream girls. She’s become a huge start but doesn’t seen like her albums did that well. She’s known for I am telling or Whitney or national anthems.. Not her own singles.
    Guess after marriage, Kelly could write memoir vol 1… idol fans are curious of how the album process has worked and what Clive has meant.. I forget he used to sign the winners

  • fuzzywuzzy

    JHud was signed to a recording contract after she was cast and was filming “Dreamgirls”, but before the movie was released:

    Filming of Dreamgirls began on January 9, 2006, and the film went into limited release on December 25, 2006, and national release on January 12, 2007.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Hudson

    Access Hollywood
    updated 11/21/2006 8:04:45 PM ET
    LOS ANGELES, Calif. — The Hollywood stars seem to be aligned for Jennifer Hudson. Access Hollywood has confirmed that the former “American Idol” contestant signed a record deal with Clive Davis’ J Records. Jennifer revealed her plans to Access this past Saturday at the “A Fine Romance” event in Hollywood.
    “My album, I’ll be recording my album! I just signed my record deal two weeks ago. So I’m starting on that in January.” 

    http://www.today.com/id/15841783/site/todayshow/ns/today-entertainment/t/jennifer-hudson-signs-clive-davis/#.TyefEFxSQ9U

  • standtotheright

    Clive and RCA put a lot of money and effort into making “Breakaway” a classic pop album and with “My December” Kelly basically wanted to ruin everything

    Yes, writing songs like Sober that critics called among the top 30 best singles of the year is totally about artists who want to ruin their careers. Even at the time it was argued that the lack of label support was the reason the song didn’t get enough airplay, not quality.

    Just because a lot of these producers happened to be there at the right time for the public appetite for big singing divas doesn’t mean that they always made the right decisions about what to do with them.

    I think it’s clear that Clarkson is taking her time by releasing a Christmas album after a greatest hits album and that she’ll complete her contract with RCA with a bang. I’m glad she’s doing it in an environment where the corporate team is working with her not against her.

  • heartly

    I think she’s still under her original Idol contract. She owes them 6 studio albums. From what I’ve read, those 6 must be full-length, new material, studio albums. Greatest Hits, live, Christmas albums do not count.

    I’m fairly certain that contract has been renegotiated that at least once through the years.

    Obviously I haven’t read the full passage on Kelly yet, but what has come out is exactly what I expected it to be. Clive is so nicely predictable.

    I can remember the first thing I saw with him talking about Kelly and it was that he wanted her to be the next Celine or Mariah. Not that that’s bad exactly, it’s just so not what she was about. lol I think these two clashed from the very first moment they met each other, imo.

    About SUBG… Kelly has never been shy in stating her initial dislike of the song and at least one of her past managers at The Firm has also said she did not want that song on the album.  What’s failed to be mentioned (at least included in EW’s description) is that the demo and the final version were very different from each other. The demo was very pop in the vein of Hilary Duff. Kelly has also told a story about when it was presented to her, she was told she could write a song to the track so she did and when she went to Sweden to record with Max and Luke, they had no clue about that and had the working version of the song going already.

    With MD, that’s going to be one of those things that the whole truth will never be known. Clive has his story, Kelly has hers, Jeff K. has his, the public has theirs. Was it ugly when that all went down? Hell yes it was. Clive and his mouth piece, Roger Friedman*, are just as much to blame for the feud in the media as Kelly was.

    I will say that while it’s not my favorite album as a whole (Stronger is that for me), it contains several of my top Kelly songs. Sober, Maybe, Irvine, the cheeky Chivas, How I Feel, the very underrated Can I Have A Kiss and Never Again. Something that I really loved about the album is that they played with the song structures in many of the songs. Perhaps with a different producer it might’ve turned out differently but I think the rough around the edges feel to the whole thing just reflected her life at that moment. 

    All that said, this is all old news and Kelly is once again in a good place and at a level she wants it at. She no longer works with Clive, but can probably thank him for indirectly getting her with the team she is now that’s finally running on all cylinders after taking awhile to wind up.

    So bad news that this old news is brought up again. Good news that it shouldn’t affect her much at all, if any. 

    *Shockingly, Roger gave Kelly the first compliment he has given her after the GRAMMYs this year.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7JTO2ZWH7CHEUP7DI5ZAQLDTW4 kcfan

    Please, Kelly is far from being overrated. There is nothing about Kelly that is  annoying. 

  • heartly

    It wouldn’t shock me in the least if she re-signed with RCA, especially with the current guys in place (Peter Edge and Tom Corson). She and her team seem to have a good working relationship with them right now.

    Then again, it’s an interesting time in her career where she can go several different ways. I expect that whatever her next move be, it’ll allow her more flexibility to pursue some different things.  

  • Niall

    Nice how Clive conveniently leaves out the part about SUBG that involves adding a rock-pop edge, something Kelly and the producers did AFTER Clive’s edict. The version everybody loves is not the one Clive pushed on Kelly. Details, details, Clive!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7JTO2ZWH7CHEUP7DI5ZAQLDTW4 kcfan

    Yeah, Kelly did not like Since U Been Gone
    at first but it was because it didn’t have any guitars or anything on
    it, the lyrics were not catered to anything she would say so when she
    flew to Sweden to work with Max & Luke, they ended up catering the
    song more towards her. She brought up the idea to add in more guitar and
    drums which they were excited
    about.  ”Kelly had to
    learn a tough lesson” LMAO. Kelly has never wanted to ruin everything.
    My December was an album that she had to make. 

  • tripp_ncwy

    Ummm Oh oh!!!

    Kelly Clarkson @kelly_clarkson

    Hey y’all, So I just heard Clive Davis is releasing a memoir and spreading false information about me and my music… say.ly/GLO5cY7

  • http://twitter.com/ALIXAVIER AXG

    All you people talking about “Because of You” have no idea what you are talking about. Ben Moody even said the original version was HORRIBLE! IF you think the 16 year-old version is the masterpiece that ended up on the album you are wrong. The stunning version on “Because of You” is the result of Ben Moody and other producers cleaning it up. I love Kelly, but Clive knows what she is doing. She got to release My December on her terms, and for an artist who doesn’t care about commercial failure I guess she “doesn’t care.” Then again she went right back to square one with All I Ever Wanted. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Kelly has something to say about Clive’s remarks:
    (from Kelly’s Whosay account)

    So I just heard Clive Davis is releasing a memoir and spreading false information about me and my music. I refuse to be bullied and I just have to clear up his memory lapses and misinformation for myself and for my fans. It feels like a violation. Growing up is awesome because you learn you don’t have to cower to anyone – even Clive Davis. First, he says I burst into “hysterical sobbing” in his office when he demanded Since You Been Gone be on my album. Not true at all. His stories and songs are mixed up. I did want more guitars added to the original demo and Clive did not. Max, Luke and I still fought for the bigger sound and we prevailed and I couldn’t be more proud of the life of that song. I resent him dampening that song in any way. But, yes, I did cry in his office once. I cried after I played him a song I had written about my life called “Because Of You.” I cried because he hated it and told me verbatim that I was a “sh*tty writer who should be grateful for the gifts that he bestows upon me.” He continued on about how the song didn’t rhyme and how I should just shut up and sing. This was devastating coming from a man who I, as a young girl, considered a musical hero and was so honored to work with. But I continued to fight for the song and the label relented. And it became a worldwide hit. He didn’t include that in the book. He also goes on to say My December wasn’t successful because I co-penned the album and it didn’t have “pop hits”. Well, first let me say, I’ve co-penned many of my “pop hits.” Secondly, My December went platinum (It sold 20,000 less than All I Ever Wanted which followed My December.) Hardly a huge failure. Never Again, the ONLY single they released in the US from that record was a Top 10 hit. I am very proud of that and I have my fans to thank. But, again, what’s most interesting about his story is what he leaves out: He doesn’t mention how he stood up in front of his company at a convention and belittled me and my music and completely sabotaged the entire project. It never had a chance to reach it’s full potential. My December was an album I needed to make for myself for many reasons and the fact that I was so completely disregarded and disrespected was so disheartening, there really aren’t words to explain….Anyway, I love my job. I love my music. I love my fans. I love my label and all of my professional relationships… now. And I am grateful for Clive for teaching me to know the difference. Cheers to another amazing year! And, as always, thanks for listening!KC

  • http://twitter.com/ALIXAVIER AXG

    Well I just read Kelly’s response and I am going to have a slice of humble pie. two sides to every story! But what I said about “Because if You” is still true, but what an awful thing for her to go through. Love you KELLY!

  • Niall

    Go Kelly! Her response is perfect.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Great response, Kelly!  Link to Kelly’s response:

    http://www.whosay.com/kellyclarkson/content/515466?wsref=tw&code=GLO5cY7

  • waitingforthe1

    From the excerpts, it sounds like you are correct. I’m sure he has clashed with artists all along, but he just has to prove he is right about Kelly. “Her biggest hit? That’s right, I made her sing it. She’s so out of touch, she sobbed about having to sing it.” Let it go, man. You won.

    Except I don’t think SUBG is Kelly’s biggest hit. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ENXWTPQX7WDUGFKDMOUHAWCQMY Van

    When did Ben ever say that? There’s video of him saying the opposite. He said they didn’t really change much. 

  • dabney c

    Sorry, unpopular opinion, but … boo-hoo, Kelly. The music business is always a battle between art and industry, and an artist who “needs to make an album for him/herself for many reasons” should do it on his/her own dime. It’s fine to fight for artistic vision, but you can’t always expect to win just because you’re … an artist. I love Kelly’s voice and some of her songs, but please. There are true geniuses who never have commercial success in their lifetime.

  • waitingforthe1

    All you people talking about “Because of You” have no idea what you are talking about. Ben Moody even said the original version was HORRIBLE! IF you think the 16 year-old version is the masterpiece that ended up on the album you are wrong. The stunning version on “Because of You” is the result of Ben Moody and other producers cleaning it up.

    Where did Ben ever say that BOY was Horrible?  Below is an article about the song when it was chosen as a single:

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1506898/kelly-clarkson-chooses-next-single.jhtml

    and a quote from Ben:

    They were just unbelievable, how structured [the songs] were and her understanding of music, which is not something you would expect from a pop artist,” said former Evanescence guitarist Ben Moody, who co-wrote and produced the songs after Clarkson sent him the tape. “She had these ideas already in place for songs; all I really had to do was build music around them and develop them. It was quite easy.

  • standtotheright

    The music business is always a battle between art and industry, and an artist who “needs to make an album for him/herself for many reasons” should do it on his/her own dime.

    Unfortunately label contracts don’t work that way.  Maybe some very savvy artists have arranged it so that they can “step out” of a contract and self-finance a release, but most can’t. They present material to the label that is commercially viable and the label goes from there. There is a wide range of material between “Breakaway Part 2″ and “not commercially viable” and MD obviously did well enough to merit a release. Davis didn’t “win the battle for industry” by pulling support for the project; he lost the war. And I suspect that had something to do with his, er, “lateral move” at Sony.

  • Incipit

     …but you can’t always expect to win.. 

    I can’t find the part where she “always expected to win”, dabney c . And there is plenty of commercial and artistic success, even for My December. I can tell Clive didn’t expect that – IDK about Kelly, but there is sweet vindication. so that’s cool.

    I don’t think she expected to be bullied, patronized, insulted, slandered, or sabotaged either, a decade ago…but that happened. I remember. And Friedman was Clive’s TMZ style hatchet man. But Kelly’s still standing. 

    I can easily find the part where the Dark Lord is lying his ass off…and now, I can find Kelly’s rebuttal of those lies. He probably expected that when he started ‘misremembering’ because that’s who Kelly is, ‘straight, no chaser’. Great buzz for selling his memoirs (Not to me) – because really, does anyone care about his sex life? and whatever he says about Michael Jackson can’t be refuted by the source. 

    Since he skipped over John Cougar Mellencamp, that’s maybe an interesting story too. Heh.

    But if you consider that a “Boo Hoo” post when someone says, “I refuse to be bullied” – Then I am in Strother Martin territory, with a “failure to communicate”…are you sure you read the “No Mas Pantalones” Post mj put up? It has it’s own thread now.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Thing is though is that “My December” was a commercial and artistic success, it just didn’t sell 6 million like “Breakaway” did. Now, over 10 years into her career (extraordinarily long for a pop artist), Kelly has another platinum album, her biggest commercially successful single and made Grammy history by winning the second time for Best Vocal Pop Album, all without any input from Clive. I think that Kelly knows about artistic differences and accepts that they are part of the business, but to have Clive openly sabotage her album in public and now, lie about her and her music is unacceptable, despite any artistic differences they may have had. And if Clive had any decency at all, he would have included the story about BOY, and admitted that he was wrong about that song and Kelly’s composing abilities, but that’s too much to expect from a lying asshole like him.

  • dabney c

    Even so, there’s just this entitlement thing that I see more and more in relative newcomers (and surprisingly, in reality show winners/finalists) which seriously turns me off. My December was – what – her 3rd album after being in the business for all of 3 or 4 years? It’s a bit galling. Again, I know my opinion is not popular, but this is my gut reaction. It drives me crazy when I hear Idols dissing industry giants before they’ve earned the right to do so. I dunno, maybe I’m wrong, but it’s what I feel. :-/ 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Then I am in Strother Martin territory, with a “failure to communicate”"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2f-MZ2HRHQ

    ;)

  • standtotheright

    It drives me crazy when I hear Idols dissing industry giants before they’ve earned the right to do so. I dunno, maybe I’m wrong, but it’s what I feel. :-/

    She didn’t “diss” him at all until he came out at a meeting saying what a huge disappointment the album was. If they argued behind the scenes, she didn’t have to “earn” the right to do that nor was it being disrespectful to advocate for herself. She had instincts which she had deployed to help make Breakaway and its singles the successes that they were; it’s not entitlement, in my view, to say that she merited a little consideration and flexibility. And even if she hadn’t, she was the one who had to go out and sell the material so it was incumbent on all parties to find material that she believed in. It could have involved working with the core of the album that she had.

    Instead, Davis threw a public temper tantrum that helped damage his reputation as well as hers. And, I suspect, more.

  • julesb2183

    Clive was right – My December really has no hits on it and was a bad CD. Coming from the massive success of Breakaway, it must have had the label concerned, to put it mildly. I don’t think he “sabatoged” it. MD sold far to much for it to have been. No marketing money to back it because they didn’t believe it would sell and they wanted to cut their losses? Probably. Kelly could have compromised and replaced one or two of the horrid songs with hits. You can’t tell me “Yeah” was irreplaceable. 

  • escape

    How things can change in a flash.  Kelly Clarkson went from the high of winning a Grammy then her speech about not knowing who the hell Miguel was, now to this.  This is not kind of attention she needs. It also didn’t look as winning the Grammy help with her CD sales of Stronger.

  • standtotheright

    It also didn’t look as winning the Grammy gave Stronger a bump with CD sales.

    Her GH CD sales went up by 50 percent. Since she didn’t actually perform any of the material from either CD, it suggests simply being on stage was effective in making people remember that they love the pairing of her voice with a lot of different songs, including, in this particular case, Never Again. Oh, I do love a bit of irony.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    Let’s keep it real, that 50% increase means Kelly’s GH had sold 5K more then a week before.
    It’s the king of bump that sounds far more impressive in percentages then in actual numbers.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    Let’s keep it real, that 50% increase means Kelly’s GH had sold 5K more then a week before.
    It’s the king of bump that sounds far more impressive in percentages then in actual numbers.

  • standtotheright

    That doesn’t change the point that she had a bump despite not singing any material from her own album. That’s the real-keeping. The bands with “big” increases had their own material performed on stage.