Billboard – Chart Date 12/15/12

As we all know, there are approximately 56,111 Billboard charts. This is a summary of just some of those charts and how the Idols/AGTers did on them this week. Please feel free to post rankings from your favourite BB chart or any other numbers you care to share. This is the daily numbers thread. The date in the header is the published chart date.

This week, Phil Phillips tops the Rock Album chart with “The World From the Side of the Moon” for the second week. His coronation song (and lead single) “Home” tops AAA Airplay charts.

Kelly Clarkson has the Hot Shot Debut on AC for “I’ll Be Home For Christmas”. Carrie Underwood’s “Two Black Cadillacs” is the Airplay Gainer on Country Songs.

Albums:
One Direction “Take Me Home” B200 4 (3); Digital 15 (8); Internet 3 (4)
Phil Phillips “The World From the Side of the Moon”: BB200 5 (4); Digital 4 (2); Internet 10 (5)
Scotty McCreery “Christmas with Scotty”: BB200 12 (21); Internet 20 (RE); Country Album 4 (6); Holiday 5 (5)
Carrie Underwood “Blown Away”: BB200 21 (12); Internet 7 (14); Country 6 (3)
Kelly Clarkson “Greatest Hits: Chapter One”: BB200 23 (11); Internet 6 (3)
One Direction “Up All Night”: BB200 28 (29); Internet 21 (24)
Susan Boyle “Standing Ovation: The Greatest Songs from the Stage”: BB200 25 (31)
Jackie Evancho “Heavenly Christmas”: BB200 71 (139); Holiday 23 (34)
Carly Rae Jepsen “Kiss”: BB200 77 (46)
Susan Boyle “The Gift”: BB200 85 (190); Holiday 29 (14)
Jackie Evancho “Songs from The Silver Screen”: BB200 104 (143); Classical Cross-Over 3 (2)
Chris Mann “Roads”: BB200 175 (RE); Classical Cross-Over 5 (11)
Kelly Clarkson “Stronger”: BB200 180 (54)
Cher Lloyd “Sticks and Stones”: BB200 187(164)
Pentatonix PTXMAS: Independent 11 (11)
Josh Krajcik “Josh Krajcik”: Independent 28 (NEW)
Scotty McCreery “Clear as Day”: Country 32 (44)
Casey James “Casey James”: Country 69 (66)
Chris Mann “Home for Christmas”: Classical Cross-Over 10 (13)

Singles:
Phillip Phillips “Home”: Hot 100 5 (8); Hot 100 Airplay 11 (16); Digital 9 (6); AC 16 (12); Adult Top 40 2 (2)
Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen “Good Time”: Hot 100 39 (29); Hot 100 Airplay 27 (23); Digital 69 (62); AC 20 (21)
Carly Rae Jepsen “Call Me Maybe”: Hot 100 41 (34); Hot 100 Airplay 56 (57); Digital 42 (37); Hot Single Sales 8 (17)
Carrie Underwood “Blown Away”: Hot 100 49 (42); Hot 100 Airplay 51 (50); Digital 46 (36); Country Songs 5 (6); Adult Top 40 34 (35)
Kelly Clarkson “Catch My Breath”: Hot 100 53 (57); Hot 100 Airplay 49 (59); Digital 50 (49); Adult Top 40 15 (18)
One Direction “Little Things”: Hot 100 67 (65); Digital 63 (67)
One Direction “Live Like We’re Young”: Hot 100 70 (55); Digital 73 (65); Hot Single Sales 3 (4); Dance Club 6 (6)
Melanie Maritnez “Too Close”: Hot 100 94 (NEW); Digital 27 (NEW)
Cassadee Pope “Are You Happy Now?”: Hot 100 95 (NEW); Digital 28 (NEW)
Cher Lloyd “Oath”: Hot 100 99 (NEW)
Cassadee Pope “Over You”: Digital 36 (3); Country Songs 29 (3)
Nicholas David “What’s Going On”: Digital 52 (NEW)
Jordin Sparks “Do You Hear What I Hear”: AC 8 (15)
Kelly Clarkson “I’ll Be Home for Christmas”: AC 10 (NEW)
Chris Mann “O Come All Ye Faithful”: AC 22 (30)
Vicci Martinez f Cee Lo Green “Come Along”: Adult Top 40 37 (39)
Melanie Amaro “Love Me Now”: Adult R&B 30 (29)
Casey James “Crying on a Suitcase”: Country Airplay 24 (22);
Carrie Underwood “Two Black Cadillacs”: Country Airplay 27 (32); Country Songs 32 (37)
Lauren Alaina “18 Inches”: Country Airplay 37 (36)
Kelly Clarkson “Don’t Rush” f. Vince Gill: Country Airplay 40 (40); Country Song 43 (34);
Jason Castro “Only a Mountain”: Christian Songs 19 (20); CAC 18 (20)
Colton Dixon “You Are”: Christian Songs 30 (24)
Jason Castro “Gloria (Hark! The Herald Angels Sing)”: Christian Songs 35 (35)
Mandisa “Somebody’s Angel”: Christian Songs 47 (NEW)
Mandisa “It’s Christmas”: Christian AC 20(NEW)
Melanie Amaro “Don’t Fail Me Now: Dance Club 21 (19)
Adam Lambert “Trespassing”: Dance Club 34 (33)

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Amaro Watch — Her new single was in the 500s on iTunes, then during the evening rose to 148 by the time all the XFUSA broadcasts in the lower 48 states were over and was bouncing around the 131-133 range since I got up this morning. It may have gone higher in the night, but I wasn’t going to stay up to babysit it.

    This range puts her roughly level with several songs from this season’s Voice competitors, which are now outside their voting window and thus past their fan/promo surge.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    From UKMix Digital song sales:

    “56 153 151 174 CLARKSON*KELLY STRONGER (WHAT DOESN’T

    KILL YO 9,834 -31 14,227 3,935,305″

    Not much further to go until 4x platinum!  :)

  • tripp_ncwy

    All Access: Best Of 2012 Top 5 Songs

    Top
    40/Mainstream > Year-End Hot Picks
    http://www.allaccess.com/top40-mainstream/hot-picks/year-end

    (Carly Rae Jepsen, Kelly Clarkson, Phillip Phillips, Maroon 5, One Direction, Demi Lovato, The Wanted, Nicki Minaj, Cher Lloyd, Stefano, Carrie Underwood)

    Top 40/Rhythmic-Crossover > Year-End Hot Picks 
    http://www.allaccess.com/top40-rhythmic/hot-picks/year-end

    (Carly Rae Jepsen, Nicki Minaj, Cher Lloyd, Chris Rene, Maroon 5)

    Hot/Modern/AC > Year-End Hot Picks 
    http://www.allaccess.com/hot-modern-ac/hot-picks/year-end

    (Carly Rae Jepsen, Kelly Clarkson, Phillip Phillips, Maroon 5, Demi Lovato, The Wanted)
    Contempory Christian
    > Year-End Hot Picks http://www.allaccess.com/christian/hot-picks/year-end(Mandisa, Colton Dixon)Country > Year-End Hot
    Picks http://www.allaccess.com/country/hot-picks/year-end(Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Casey James, Blake Shelton, Chris Young, Miranda Lambert)

  • springboard2

    ITunes:

    12/7/2012 – Top 1500 Singles (from LivePopBars)
    46. Catch My Breath – Kelly Clarkson
    51. I Want To Know What Love Is (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott
    60. Somewhere Over the Rainbow (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    61. Blown Away – Carrie Underwood
    88. Stand (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    102. Good Time – Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen
    103. Oath (feat. Becky G) – Cher Lloyd
    116. I’m With You (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    120. And I Am Telling You I’m Not Going (The Voice Performance) – Trevin Hunte
    134. What Makes You Beautiful – One Direction
    135. Over You (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    158. Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You) – Kelly Clarkson
    160. The Show (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    176. Want U Back – Cher Lloyd
    204. My Grown Up Christmas List – Kelly Clarkson
    241. Crying On a Suitcase – Casey James
    290. Good Girl – Carrie Underwood
    291. September (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    316. Here I Go Again (The Voice Performance) – Amanda Brown
    317. Stay With Me (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott
    343. Too Close (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    355. Little Things – One Direction
    387. Before He Cheats – Carrie Underwood
    403. Dark Side – Kelly Clarkson
    437. What’s Going On (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    454. Dream On (The Voice Performance) – Amanda Brown
    471. Christmas in Heaven – Scotty McCreery
    503. Rock Me – One Direction
    535. Breakaway – Kelly Clarkson
    586. Lights (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    590. Are You Happy Now? (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    685. Nobody Compares – One Direction
    691. No Air – Jordin Sparks & Chris Brown
    698. Don’t Rush (feat. Vince Gill) – Kelly Clarkson
    784. She’s Gone (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    785. Heart Attack – One Direction
    820. Over (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott
    832. Bulletproof (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    844. Don’t Fail Me Now – Melanie Amaro
    913. Stars (The Voice Performance) – Amanda Brown
    984. Good Morning (feat. TobyMac) – Mandisa & tobyMac
    1007. How Great Thou Art – Carrie Underwood
    1016. Maybe I’m Amazed (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott
    1070. Stand By Me (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    1098. Swagger Jagger – Cher Lloyd
    1178. Up All Night – One Direction
    1182. Loved You First – One Direction
    1211. Heart Skips a Beat (feat. Chiddy Bang) – Olly Murs
    1213. Hit the Road Jack (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    1253. Payphone (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    1259. Jesus, Take the Wheel – Carrie Underwood
    1302. Greatest Love of All (The Voice Performance) – Trevin Hunte
    1304. Listen (The Voice Performance) – Trevin Hunte
    1313. Behind These Hazel Eyes (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    1348. Santa Baby – Kellie Pickler
    1371. Don’t Stop Believin’ (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott
    1402. Rock Me – One Direction
    1432. Live While We’re Young – One Direction
    1443. The Power of Love (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    1444. With Ur Love – Cher Lloyd
    1498. Carry On Wayward Son (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott

    12/7/2012 – Top 1500 Albums (from LivePopBars)
    47. Take Me Home (Yearbook Edition) – One Direction
    53. PTXmas – EP – Pentatonix
    92. Blown Away – Carrie Underwood
    105. Christmas With Scotty McCreery – Scotty McCreery
    136. Up All Night (Deluxe Version) – One Direction
    209. Sticks & Stones – Cher Lloyd
    309. Stronger (Deluxe Version) – Kelly Clarkson
    360. Up All Night – One Direction
    409. It’s Christmas (Christmas Angel Edition) – Mandisa
    802. Christmas from the Heart – David Archuleta
    814. Cassadee Pope – EP – Cassadee Pope
    928. Some Hearts – Carrie Underwood
    947. Christmas Is the Time to Say I Love You – Katharine McPhee
    1039. Play On – Carrie Underwood
    1210. Break the Spell (Deluxe Version) – Daughtry
    1290. Phillip Phillips: Journey to the Finale – Phillip Phillips
    1403. Daughtry – Daughtry

     

  • springboard2

    Mediabase:

    AAA:
    1  1  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  652  658  -6  2.391
    +4  Spins
    -1  Bullet
    -0.011  AI
    Alt:
    40  39  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  222  186  36  1.066
    +4  Spins
    -5  Bullet
    +0.023  AI
    Country:
    22  24  CASEY JAMES   Crying On A Suitcase  2401  2324  77  18.135
    +31  Spins
    +62  Bullet
    -0.025  AI
    32  26  CARRIE UNDERWOOD   Two Black Cadillacs  1880  970  910  12.537
    +52  Spins
    -107  Bullet
    +0.437  AI
    46  42  KELLY CLARKSON   Don’t Rush f/Vince Gill  486  422  64  2.489
    -5  Spins
    -21  Bullet
    +0.019  AI
    37  44  LAUREN ALAINA   Eighteen Inches  481  715  -234  2.614
    -56  Spins
    -50  Bullet
    -0.324  AI
    HAC:
    2  2  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  4367  4484  -117  31.695
    -5  Spins
    +63  Bullet
    +0.033  AI
    17  14  KELLY CLARKSON   Catch My Breath  2138  2018  120  16.11
    +25  Spins
    +35  Bullet
    +0.268  AI
    36  34  CARRIE UNDERWOOD   Blown Away  474  409  65  2.409
    +11  Spins
    +10  Bullet
    -0.035  AI
    POP:
    11  10  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  7587  6938  649  50.629
    +117  Spins
    +58  Bullet
    +0.562  AI
    23  22  KELLY CLARKSON   Catch My Breath  3128  2590  538  18.184
    +62  Spins
    +22  Bullet
    +0.312  AI
    36  27  ONE DIRECTION   Little Things  2233  1456  777  14.939
    +150  Spins
    +36  Bullet
    +0.913  AI
    28  30  CHER LLOYD   Oath f/Becky G  2120  1981  139  10.219
    +6  Spins
    +31  Bullet
    -0.193  AI
    30  39  ONE DIRECTION   Live While We’re Young  1250  1916  -666  7.07
    -94  Spins
    -16  Bullet
    -0.488  AI
    41  46  CARLY RAE JEPSEN   This Kiss  693  1081  -388  3.009
    -96  Spins
    -51  Bullet
    -0.535  AI

  • Anny_nanny

     I’m sorry, where are the rest?

  • Anny_nanny

    Phillip Phillips aka Invisible Man, now

    12/7/2012 – Top 1500 Singles (from LivePopBars)
    9. Phillip Phillips – Home
    152. Phillip Phillips – Gone, Gone, Gone
    1292. Phillip Phillips – Wicked Game
    1400. Phillip Phillips – Man On the Moon

    12/7/2012 – Top 1500 Albums (from LivePopBars)
    9. Phillip Phillips – The World from the Side of the Moon (Deluxe)
    132. Phillip Phillips – The World from the Side of the Moon
    1378. Phillip Phillips – Phillip Phillips: Journey to the Finale

  • springboard2

     Yes, sorry, I don’t know! I am going to look into it!

  • ADRIANAARG1980

     THANKS :)

  • springboard2

    Here’s a revised version of the iTunes Charts:

    12/7/2012 – Top 1500 Singles (from LivePopBars)
    9. Home – Phillip Phillips
    46. Catch My Breath – Kelly Clarkson
    51. I Want To Know What Love Is (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott
    59. Call Me Maybe – Carly Rae Jepsen
    60. Somewhere Over the Rainbow (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    61. Blown Away – Carrie Underwood
    64. Little Things – One Direction
    88. Stand (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    99. Live While We’re Young – One Direction
    102. Good Time – Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen
    103. Oath (feat. Becky G) – Cher Lloyd
    113. Crazy (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    116. I’m With You (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    120. And I Am Telling You I’m Not Going (The Voice Performance) – Trevin Hunte
    132. Long Distance – Melanie Amaro
    134. What Makes You Beautiful – One Direction
    135. Over You (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    151. Gone, Gone, Gone – Phillip Phillips
    158. Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You) – Kelly Clarkson
    160. The Show (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    166. Two Black Cadillacs – Carrie Underwood
    176. Want U Back – Cher Lloyd
    202. This Kiss – Carly Rae Jepsen
    204. My Grown Up Christmas List – Kelly Clarkson
    241. Crying On a Suitcase – Casey James
    253. (You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman (The Voice Performance) – Amanda Brown
    290. Good Girl – Carrie Underwood
    291. September (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    293. One Thing – One Direction
    316. Here I Go Again (The Voice Performance) – Amanda Brown
    317. Stay With Me (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott
    328. Troublemaker (feat. Flo Rida) – Olly Murs
    343. Too Close (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    355. Little Things – One Direction
    370. Lean On Me (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    387. Before He Cheats – Carrie Underwood
    403. Dark Side – Kelly Clarkson
    405. Seven Nation Army (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    437. What’s Going On (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    446. Toxic (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    454. Dream On (The Voice Performance) – Amanda Brown
    471. Christmas in Heaven – Scotty McCreery
    475. Kiss You – One Direction
    503. Rock Me – One Direction
    535. Breakaway – Kelly Clarkson
    556. Walking On Sunshine (The Voice Performance) – Trevin Hunte
    586. Lights (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    590. Are You Happy Now? (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    672. She’s Not Afraid – One Direction
    685. Nobody Compares – One Direction
    691. No Air – Jordin Sparks & Chris Brown
    697. You Are – Colton Dixon
    698. Don’t Rush (feat. Vince Gill) – Kelly Clarkson
    712. Carol of the Bells – Pentatonix
    784. She’s Gone (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    785. Heart Attack – One Direction
    803. Torn (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    820. Over (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott
    832. Bulletproof (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    834. Put Your Records On (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    844. Don’t Fail Me Now – Melanie Amaro
    913. Stars (The Voice Performance) – Amanda Brown
    914. Still the One – One Direction
    984. Good Morning (feat. TobyMac) – Mandisa & tobyMac
    1007. How Great Thou Art – Carrie Underwood
    1014. Bleeding Love – Leona Lewis
    1016. Maybe I’m Amazed (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott
    1023. Cough Syrup (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    1070. Stand By Me (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    1098. Swagger Jagger – Cher Lloyd
    1142. You’re the First, the Last, My Everything (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    1178. Up All Night – One Direction
    1182. Loved You First – One Direction
    1184. They Don’t Know About Us – One Direction
    1211. Heart Skips a Beat (feat. Chiddy Bang) – Olly Murs
    1213. Hit the Road Jack (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    1246. Not Over You (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    1253. Payphone (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    1259. Jesus, Take the Wheel – Carrie Underwood
    1282. Wicked Game – Phillip Phillips
    1302. Greatest Love of All (The Voice Performance) – Trevin Hunte
    1304. Listen (The Voice Performance) – Trevin Hunte
    1308. Mr. Know It All – Kelly Clarkson
    1313. Behind These Hazel Eyes (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    1316. Cowboy Casanova – Carrie Underwood
    1348. Santa Baby – Kellie Pickler
    1371. Don’t Stop Believin’ (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott
    1373. Man On the Moon – Phillip Phillips
    1402. Rock Me – One Direction
    1432. Live While We’re Young – One Direction
    1439. Someone Like You (The Voice Performance) – Amanda Brown
    1443. The Power of Love (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    1444. With Ur Love – Cher Lloyd
    1498. Carry On Wayward Son (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott

    12/7/2012 – Top 1500 Albums (from LivePopBars)
    9. The World from the Side of the Moon (Deluxe) – Phillip Phillips
    47. Take Me Home (Yearbook Edition) – One Direction
    53. PTXmas – EP – Pentatonix
    58. Take Me Home – One Direction
    92. Blown Away – Carrie Underwood
    105. Christmas With Scotty McCreery – Scotty McCreery
    131. The World from the Side of the Moon – Phillip Phillips
    136. Up All Night (Deluxe Version) – One Direction
    158. Greatest Hits – Chapter One – Kelly Clarkson
    209. Sticks & Stones – Cher Lloyd
    309. Stronger (Deluxe Version) – Kelly Clarkson
    348. PTX, Vol. 1 – Pentatonix
    360. Up All Night – One Direction
    409. It’s Christmas (Christmas Angel Edition) – Mandisa
    468. Kiss (Deluxe Version) – Carly Rae Jepsen
    802. Christmas from the Heart – David Archuleta
    814. Cassadee Pope – EP – Cassadee Pope
    850. Roads – Chris Mann
    928. Some Hearts – Carrie Underwood
    947. Christmas Is the Time to Say I Love You – Katharine McPhee
    1021. I’m Right Here – Chris Rene
    1039. Play On – Carrie Underwood
    1131. What If We Were Real – Mandisa
    1210. Break the Spell (Deluxe Version) – Daughtry
    1290. Phillip Phillips: Journey to the Finale – Phillip Phillips
    1403. Daughtry – Daughtry

  • girlygirltoo

    Have to feel bad for Melanie Amaro. 

  • windmills

    Responding to a question from the headlines thread:

    windmills: Don’t Rush appears to be stalled on the Country chart. I would be interested to know what you think are this song’s prospects in radioplay. I like the song, but as far as radioplay goes, is it sort of a dud?

    There’s a pretty big “housecleaning” coming up in the next couple weeks with a bunch of songs going recurrent, which will move Don’t Rush into t40 Mediabase to match its t40 Billboard status (that’ll land it countdown spins before the holidays/year end countdowns take over). Don’t Rush went through a 10 or 12 day rough patch where it was flat/losing a little airplay but has actually picked things up this week a little. Not that it’s taking off now but, at least it’s been having positive spin and AI updates for consecutive days. 

    Kelly’s DR is in a very tight part of the chart where she, Jerrod Niemann, and Jana Kramer seem to be trading spots daily. Craig Morgan is not too far ahead and the FARM and Montgomery Gentry are not too far behind either. Nobody’s breaking out of that pack yet. I think Jana may have the best shot of breaking out 1st but, that’s just me guessing. 

    I haven’t been worried about DR stalling because even though the daily updates weren’t that great, it was still picking up solid adds on a weekly basis. Maybe the holidays were having an effect on DR and it’ll ramp things up in January. I also think that DR is more of a grower than a song that you just know is going to be a hit. So, it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s how its chart run went either. It’s definitely moving slower than the “country” version of MKIA so far but, DR is also facing a more competitive chart. Right now I’m going to wait to see how things go in January before trying to guess whether it’ll outpeak MKIA.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Thanks, windmills. I appreciate your taking the time to write such a thoughtful and thorough response. :)

  • http://twitter.com/ItsMyT1me Lori

    Thanks for the compilation.

    Nice to see P2 topping a couple of those allaccess charts, but WTF is in the water in Omaha? Stefano’s I’m on a Roll, a top 5 song for the year?! Or does he have a third cousin twice removed on staff there ;)

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “All Access: Best Of 2012 Top 5 Songs

    Top 40/Mainstream > Year-End Hot Picks

    http://www.allaccess.com/top40

    (Carly Rae Jepsen, Kelly Clarkson, Phillip Phillips, Maroon 5, One
    Direction, Demi Lovato, The Wanted, Nicki Minaj, Cher Lloyd, Stefano,
    Carrie Underwood)”

    There was also one vote for Adam’s “Never Close Our Eyes”.

  • jpfan2

    HDD Predictions:

    Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 155-165k* Wiz Khalifa (Atlantic) 135-45kRod
    Stewart (Verve) 135-145kMichael Buble (Reprise) 100-110kOne Direction
    (Syco/Columbia) 95-105k* Ke$ha (Kemosabe/RCA) 85-90kBlake Shelton
    (Warner Bros. Nashville) 75-80kLady Antebellum (Capitol Nashville)
    70-75kAlicia Keys (RCA) 70-75kPhillip Phillips (19/Interscope)
    65-70kRihanna (Def Jam/IDJ) 60-65kNow 44 (Capitol) 55-60k* Florida
    Georgia Line (Big Machine/Republic) 50-55kScotty McCreery (Mercury
    Nashville/19/Interscope) 50-55k

    If this holds another good week for P2 and Scotty.

  • jpfan2

    HDD Predictions:

    Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 155-165k* Wiz Khalifa (Atlantic) 135-45kRod
    Stewart (Verve) 135-145kMichael Buble (Reprise) 100-110kOne Direction
    (Syco/Columbia) 95-105k* Ke$ha (Kemosabe/RCA) 85-90kBlake Shelton
    (Warner Bros. Nashville) 75-80kLady Antebellum (Capitol Nashville)
    70-75kAlicia Keys (RCA) 70-75kPhillip Phillips (19/Interscope)
    65-70kRihanna (Def Jam/IDJ) 60-65kNow 44 (Capitol) 55-60k* Florida
    Georgia Line (Big Machine/Republic) 50-55kScotty McCreery (Mercury
    Nashville/19/Interscope) 50-55k

    If this holds another good week for P2 and Scotty.

  • Anny_nanny

    Now
    147. Melanie Amaro – Long Distance

  • blackberryharvest

    Wow Phillip will probably go gold before the year is over. Great to see Scotty get an increase! I think it will definitely crack 300K by Christmas.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Full weakend update from HDD:

    YOUR TOP 15: Taylor Swift is no stranger to the #1 chart position, and she’ll be returning to that familiar perch next week, with Wiz Khalifa and the holiday-suave Rod Stewart duking it out for #2. Here’s how things look as the weekend beckons:

    Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 155-165k
    * Wiz Khalifa (Atlantic) 135-45k
    Rod Stewart (Verve) 135-145k
    Michael Buble (Reprise) 100-110k
    One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 95-105k
    * Ke$ha (Kemosabe/RCA) 85-90k
    Blake Shelton (Warner Bros. Nashville) 75-80k
    Lady Antebellum (Capitol Nashville) 70-75k
    Alicia Keys (RCA) 70-75k
    Phillip Phillips (19/Interscope) 65-70k
    Rihanna (Def Jam/IDJ) 60-65k
    Now 44 (Capitol) 55-60k
    * Florida Georgia Line (Big Machine/Republic) 50-55k
    Scotty McCreery (Mercury Nashville/19/Interscope) 50-55k
    Kid Rock (Atlantic) 40-45k
    Jason Aldean (Broken Bow) 40-45k
    Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 40-45k

    * Debuts

    There sure are a lot of records in the Top 15 next week. Now if
    you’ll excuse us, there’s a gallon of eggnog with our name on it. (12/6p)

  • http://twitter.com/ItsMyT1me Lori

    Oh number gods, where are you? I have a question ;P

    So how does P2’s third week sales projections stack up against trends? I was expecting to see a bigger dropoff but that’s with no data (or intelligence, for that matter LOL) to support my expectation!  

  • jpfan2

    I vaguely remember a normal third week drop being around 40%. So the fact that P2 looks to be in the 10% range is good news. The most important thing is that the album is near or in the top 10 albums of the week. That’s a very good sign for future sales. I don’t think it can go gold in 2012 but it could be close.

  • Karen C

    This range puts her roughly level with several songs from this season’s Voice competitors, which are now outside their voting window and thus past their fan/promo surge.

    Maybe the reason that the Idol competators do so much better than the other shows is because they have an original single that is promoted to radio after the show is over.  The most successful Idol debut albums (ones that went at least platinum) have also had successful coronation singles,  and for the most part kept them on the radio until the albums came out.  The other shows still use covers for the winners singles. At least for the US maybe an original single works better.

  • TheOther

    It is surely good news for Phillip especially when he is competing with a lot of
    Christmas music at this point. I think Home will go Triple Platinum first, which will just generate more buzz for The World Side Of The Moon. Then there is the new season of Idol.  I’m sure Phillip will be featured prominently.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    11 9 PHILLIP PHILLIPS Home 7651 6995 656 50.991

    + 64 spins
    + 7 bullet
    + 0.362 audience 

    Pending big shift in pace Phillip should end up #9 on Mediabase this week.

  • jpfan2

    P2 is in good shape because just when the doldrums hit after Xmas, he’ll get all the good buzz a season of Idol will bring. They’ll feature him in the ads, on the show, etc.

    There’s no comparison between the post show promo the Idols get compared to XF and especially The Voice.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Melanie Amaro didn’t have a winner’s single. She performed “Listen” as the song that would win her the show and she performed it after she won, but she never recorded it. There is no point in releasing covers as singles in the US. And X Factor machine likes to take some time after the season to figure out what to do with the signed acts.

    X Factor UK releases covers as winner’s singles (only Shayne Ward had an original) and those songs usually sell well.

  • Karen C

    Melanie did release the cover of Respect, though that was for the Pepsi commercial and I don’t think it was performed on the show.

    I’m just wondering if she or any of the Voice contestants had a successful, and original winners single if their albums would have done better. There does seem to be a correlation, at least for Idol winners. 

  • Mateja Praznik

    Most Idol winners didn’t have successful winner’s singles. Carrie Underwood didn’t have one, but her debut album still sold 7 million +. 

    I just don’t think winner’s singles are that important in the grand scheme of things. Originals or covers, they are always rush-recorded.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    So Home had made it in the top 10 on POP. Only the second song from Idol alumni to reach this milestone in few resent years (Kelly’s Mr Know it All and Dark Side had peaked at #11 and #22 respectively).

    How far can this song go? I dare not to predict, out of fear of jinxing it. But it does seem to have a very low burn out rate as far as radio goes so that every time Home stars to loose steam, it can just weather out the storm of faster moving songs and then resume the upwards movement.
    Keep in mind that although Mumford and Sons have been all over alternative/rock formats have multiple platinum hits, multiplatinum first album, and overall should be credited as one of the driving forces behind the popularization of folk-rock sound they never had a POP (or if I am not mistaken even HAC) crossover hit.
    So for Home, a first song of this specific genre to have a significant impact on POP* top 10 is already pretty much a best case scenario coming to life!

    So, based on it’s current momentum and other songs around it this numbers junky is expecting (and going to be happy with) a #6-8 peak for Home. But if by any chance it can step it up some more in that longevity department and sneak all the way to top 5… Well… there may be some cartwheels.)))

    *Lumeneers’ AAA crossover-smash ‘Ho Hey’ (9 weeks #1 on Triple A) is doing even better right now (sitting at #8 on POP with a massive bullet), and probably is going to end up with a higher eventual peak, but it started getting love from POP only after Home had already proved receptiveness of pop target audience to the genre.

  • Anny_nanny

    163. Melanie Amaro – Long Distance

    This will have a promo? It seems to me I’m watching worm crossing the highway. Simon should give this girl some support finally!

  • springboard2

    Itunes:

    12/8/2012 – Top 1500 Singles (from LivePopBars)
    9. Phillip Phillips – Home
    43. Kelly Clarkson – Catch My Breath
    52. Carly Rae Jepsen – Call Me Maybe
    55. Carrie Underwood – Blown Away
    56. One Direction – Little Things
    75. One Direction – Live While We’re Young
    88. Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen – Good Time
    91. Cher Lloyd – Oath (feat. Becky G)
    99. Terry McDermott – I Want To Know What Love Is (The Voice Performance)
    104. Nicholas David – Somewhere Over the Rainbow (The Voice Performance)
    105. One Direction – What Makes You Beautiful
    134. Cher Lloyd – Want U Back
    145. Phillip Phillips – Gone, Gone, Gone
    147. Carrie Underwood – Two Black Cadillacs
    158. Kelly Clarkson – Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You)
    164. Cassadee Pope – Over You (The Voice Performance)
    166. Carly Rae Jepsen – This Kiss
    169. Melanie Amaro – Long Distance
    189. Cassadee Pope – Stand (The Voice Performance)
    198. Melanie Martinez – Crazy (The Voice Performance)
    211. Trevin Hunte – And I Am Telling You I’m Not Going (The Voice Performance)
    221. Casey James – Crying On a Suitcase
    225. One Direction – One Thing
    232. Cassadee Pope – I’m With You (The Voice Performance)
    255. Carrie Underwood – Good Girl
    256. Kelly Clarkson – My Grown Up Christmas List
    257. Melanie Martinez – The Show (The Voice Performance)
    299. One Direction – Little Things
    345. Olly Murs – Troublemaker (feat. Flo Rida)
    349. Carrie Underwood – Before He Cheats
    388. One Direction – Kiss You
    392. Kelly Clarkson – Dark Side
    395. One Direction – Rock Me
    441. Nicholas David – Lean On Me (The Voice Performance)
    446. Melanie Martinez – Too Close (The Voice Performance)
    476. Scotty McCreery – Christmas in Heaven
    521. Amanda Brown – (You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman (The Voice Performance)
    527. Melanie Martinez – Seven Nation Army (The Voice Performance)
    531. Nicholas David – September (The Voice Performance)
    547. Kelly Clarkson – Don’t Rush (feat. Vince Gill)
    574. One Direction – She’s Not Afraid
    585. Nicholas David – What’s Going On (The Voice Performance)
    588. Melanie Martinez – Toxic (The Voice Performance)
    595. Kelly Clarkson – Breakaway
    603. One Direction – Nobody Compares
    623. Amanda Brown – Dream On (The Voice Performance)
    631. One Direction – Heart Attack
    649. Terry McDermott – Stay With Me (The Voice Performance)
    671. Amanda Brown – Here I Go Again (The Voice Performance)
    752. Jordin Sparks & Chris Brown – No Air
    792. Colton Dixon – You Are
    798. One Direction – Still the One
    808. Pentatonix – Carol of the Bells
    825. Cassadee Pope – Are You Happy Now? (The Voice Performance)
    845. Carrie Underwood – How Great Thou Art
    849. One Direction – Up All Night
    855. Melanie Martinez – Lights (The Voice Performance)
    963. Cher Lloyd – Swagger Jagger
    1025. Leona Lewis – Bleeding Love
    1028. One Direction – Loved You First
    1092. Melanie Amaro – Don’t Fail Me Now
    1112. One Direction – They Don’t Know About Us
    1117. Trevin Hunte – Walking On Sunshine (The Voice Performance)
    1127. One Direction – Live While We’re Young
    1161. Nicholas David – She’s Gone (The Voice Performance)
    1177. Carrie Underwood – Jesus, Take the Wheel
    1178. Olly Murs – Heart Skips a Beat (feat. Chiddy Bang)
    1182. Cher Lloyd – With Ur Love
    1192. Terry McDermott – Over (The Voice Performance)
    1201. Mandisa & tobyMac – Good Morning (feat. TobyMac)
    1202. Amanda Brown – Stars (The Voice Performance)
    1213. One Direction – Rock Me
    1232. One Direction – Live While We’re Young
    1257. Kellie Pickler – Santa Baby
    1264. Melanie Martinez – Bulletproof (The Voice Performance)
    1272. Kelly Clarkson – Mr. Know It All
    1281. Carly Rae Jepsen – Call Me Maybe
    1290. Carrie Underwood – Cowboy Casanova
    1356. Cassadee Pope – Torn (The Voice Performance)
    1395. Phillip Phillips – Wicked Game
    1423. Phillip Phillips – Man On the Moon
    1431. Melanie Martinez – Cough Syrup (The Voice Performance)
    1488. One Direction – Moments
    1490. Terry McDermott – Maybe I’m Amazed (The Voice Performance)

    12/8/2012 – Top 1500 Albums (from LivePopBars)
    11. Phillip Phillips – The World from the Side of the Moon (Deluxe)
    41. One Direction – Take Me Home (Yearbook Edition)
    53. One Direction – Take Me Home
    64. Pentatonix – PTXmas – EP
    90. Scotty McCreery – Christmas With Scotty McCreery
    92. Carrie Underwood – Blown Away
    117. One Direction – Up All Night (Deluxe Version)
    152. Kelly Clarkson – Greatest Hits – Chapter One
    156. Phillip Phillips – The World from the Side of the Moon
    199. Cher Lloyd – Sticks & Stones
    290. One Direction – Up All Night
    388. Mandisa – It’s Christmas (Christmas Angel Edition)
    393. Kelly Clarkson – Stronger (Deluxe Version)
    415. Pentatonix – PTX, Vol. 1
    595. Carly Rae Jepsen – Kiss (Deluxe Version)
    966. Chris Rene – I’m Right Here
    1017. Chris Mann – Roads
    1198. Carrie Underwood – Play On
    1215. Carrie Underwood – Some Hearts
    1238. Mandisa – What If We Were Real
    1253. Cassadee Pope – Cassadee Pope – EP
    1255. Casey James – Casey James
    1260. Katharine McPhee – Christmas Is the Time to Say I Love You
    1283. Brooke White – White Christmas
    1308. Daughtry – Break the Spell (Deluxe Version)
    1416. Daughtry – Daughtry
    1419. Phillip Phillips – Phillip Phillips: Journey to the Finale
    1431. David Archuleta – Christmas from the Heart

  • springboard2

    Mediabase – Saturday update:

    AAA:
    1  1  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  652  648  4  2.373
    0  Spins
    +10  Bullet
    -0.018  AI
    Alt:
    40  39  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  225  192  33  1.096
    +3  Spins
    -3  Bullet
    +0.03  AI
    Country:
    22  24  CASEY JAMES   Crying On A Suitcase  2413  2340  73  17.992
    +12  Spins
    -4  Bullet
    -0.143  AI
    31  26  CARRIE UNDERWOOD   Two Black Cadillacs  1951  1110  841  12.96
    +71  Spins
    -69  Bullet
    +0.423  AI
    46  42  KELLY CLARKSON   Don’t Rush f/Vince Gill  493  436  57  2.499
    +7  Spins
    -7  Bullet
    +0.01  AI
    37  48  LAUREN ALAINA   Eighteen Inches  434  694  -260  2.371
    -47  Spins
    -26  Bullet
    -0.243  AI
    HAC:
    2  2  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  4350  4457  -107  31.496
    -17  Spins
    +10  Bullet
    -0.199  AI
    16  14  KELLY CLARKSON   Catch My Breath  2150  2032  118  16.17
    +12  Spins
    -2  Bullet
    +0.06  AI
    36  35  CARRIE UNDERWOOD   Blown Away  466  419  47  2.365
    -8  Spins
    -18  Bullet
    -0.044  AI
    POP:
    11  9  PHILLIP PHILLIPS   Home  7651  6995  656  50.991
    +64  Spins
    +7  Bullet
    +0.362  AI
    23  22  KELLY CLARKSON   Catch My Breath  3201  2576  625  18.743
    +73  Spins
    +87  Bullet
    +0.559  AI
    36  27  ONE DIRECTION   Little Things  2391  1554  837  15.877
    +158  Spins
    +60  Bullet
    +0.938  AI
    29  30  CHER LLOYD   Oath f/Becky G  2115  1989  126  10.025
    -5  Spins
    -13  Bullet
    -0.194  AI
    31  41  ONE DIRECTION   Live While We’re Young  1152  1830  -678  6.573
    -98  Spins
    -12  Bullet
    -0.497  AI
    42  46  CARLY RAE JEPSEN   This Kiss  606  1033  -427  2.581
    -87  Spins
    -39  Bullet
    -0.428  AI
     

  • kcostell

    I’m just wondering if she or any of the Voice contestants had a successful, and original winners single if their albums would have done better. There does seem to be a correlation, at least for Idol winners.

    For The Voice to have a successful winner’s single, they would have to first start caring about promoting their winners after the show.   While part of “Home”‘s success came from Phillip’s performances of it, a huge part came from the post show efforts of Fox/the label/whoever was responsible to promote the song outside the Idol bubble.  

    Maybe this’ll change after this season (I think part of why the producers are pushing Cassadee so hard is so they’ll have a commercial winner to promote), but for the first two winners the same lack of promotion that doomed their first single doomed everything that came after it too.  

  • http://twitter.com/cheeseE1 EH

    I came across this article about producer Ron Fair joining The Voice team for the purpose of getting the winner matched up with the right songs and producers right out of the gate, so I guess they’ve learned their lesson. Maybe things will be different this time:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ron-fair-the-voice-darren-criss-irving-azoff-307276

    Interestingly, Ron Fair is the producer who signed Terry’s band when they moved here from Scotland & executive produced their album. I suspect that’s why he’s on the show. Hopefully he made it far enough to have another shot – his original stuff is pretty cool and I want to punch Blake for making him sing Boston, Journey and Bryan Adams when he comes from a  different place, musically. Ugh. 

    Cassadee seems like the sure winner, so we’ll see if the world wants another Avril, or maybe she’ll go country. 

  • girlygirltoo

    moved

  • girlygirltoo

    2 weeks after Black Friday is one where drops in sales can be quite small, while some albums (usually ones that have been out awhile or Xmas albums) can actually see good increases

    For example, according to HDD, on this week in 2009, Adam’s album (which was released Black Friday week) saw his sales drop by around 10 percent, while Carrie saw a 45% increase in sales for Play On and Archie saw a 17% drop in sales for his Xmas album (Kris wasn’t in the Top 50 on the HDD chart that week, so I’m not sure what his album did, but I think it had like a 20% drop, if I remember right)

    In 2008, David Cook had about a  17% drop in his sales 2 weeks after it was released, while Archie (whose album came out 1 week before Cook’s) saw about a 20% drop

    (this info is all taken from the HDD predictions charts, so the actual %s were probably slightly different)

  • springboard2

    No, this is typical Simon Cowell practice, as done in the UK for many years. If he is not interested in a contestant, winner or otherwise, he does his best to bury them. Now Melanie is almost forgotten, his best wishes will be that she is totally forgotten.
    If he had wanted to promote her, he would have done it ages ago.

  • Anny_nanny

    Not bad. Looks like AI and Voice divided TV-year, and XF die himself. I’m sorry, FOX.

  • girlygirltoo

    That’s incorrect — most of the Idols’ coronations songs are not promoted to radio. Aside from Scotty’s and Phillip’s, I’m not sure that any of the coronation songs were officially sent to radio. Kelly’s and Cook’s may have been, given the sales for those songs, but I don’t know that for sure. 

  • LongKissGoodnight

    But for the first two winners the same lack of promotion that doomed their first single doomed everything that came after it too.

    In my humble opinion what doomed first two winners was first and foremost specific people that have won.

    The way singers become famous is either on the strength of their songwriting abilities (let’s say Ed Sheeran, Bruno Mars) or by attaching themselves to hitmakers while being highly marketable and eager so that their label had reasons to believe that they are not throwing their money away while paying for said hitmakers time (let’s say Britney Spears, Katy Perry, Rihanna, One Direction)…

    Now, I think it is hard to argue that either of the Voice winners has an ace up their sieve in terms of marketability, and if they had some mad songwriting talents examples of that talents have not surfaced yet.

    So… Universal Republic Records is certainly not the strongest label out there (while Interscope actually is) but I can not in good conscience blame them for the fact that they have made no attempts at throwing away good money after bad.

    Cassadee on the other hand… Has some notable  potential. So we will see how her A&R is handled.

  • girlygirltoo

    There have been more than 2. LLWD went Top 10 on Pop. Stronger went No. 1 on Pop. My Life Would Suck Without You also went No. 1. Mr Know It All peaked at #10 on the BB Hot 100

  • girlygirltoo

    I think like the worm crossing the highway, Melanie’s single is gong to get squashed under the tires of a car (probably driven by Simon)

  • Incipit

    Looking for something entirely else, I found this Interesting fact I was unaware of – David C also showed up on AAA and Alt after Idol…In fact, less than 2 months after the May 21st Finale  – “Time of My Life” shows up on AC, HAC, CHR, (Top 40) AAA, and Alt.  

    From ladymadonna512, Jul 21, 2008 

    “Here’s an interesting look at the different formats that spun some of Cook’s Idol performance tracks post-finale (and obviously these aren’t all even full-length studio versions):“All I Really Need Is You”: #490 Top-40“Always Be My Baby”: #163 Top-40, #167 AC“Billie Jean”: #157 HAC, #275 Top-40, #315 AC“Dream Big”: #239 HAC, #314 AC, #506 Top-40“First Time Ever I Saw Your Face”: #434 AC“Hello”: #326 AC, #351 HAC“I Don’t Want To Miss a Thing”: #318 AC“I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For”: #168 HAC, #222 AC, #377 Top-40“Music of The Night”: #386 AC“Sharp Dressed Man”: #317 HAC, #376 Top-40“The World I Know”: #199 Top-40, #243 HAC, #324 AC“Time of My Life”: #26 AC, #50 HAC, #58 Top-40, #300 AAA, #633 AltETA: “Unfortunately I wasn’t tracking spin counts at this point so I only have the Top-500 chart-positions, but this should at least give you an idea of what types of stations were picking-up on his wealth of material from the season. “

    ~~

    Of course, that’s not where the song ended up on the charts…just a snapshot of a moment in time – ToML would go on to be No. 1 on Billboard’s Adult Contemporary chart for 15 weeks – peak at #3 on the Hot 100 and ultimately going recurrent on the Hot 100, peaking at #1 on AC and AC Recurrent, peaking at #7 on HAC and going recurrent, and peaking at #28 on CHR – even though there was no video, no PR push, and DC never performed it again after the Idol Tour.

    But the part that surprised me was, I don’t think I ever knew about the AAA and Alt charting before. So AAA isn’t ‘always’ so hard-nosed…just mostly. *snerk*.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “So Home had made it in the top 10 on POP. Only the second song from Idol
    alumni to reach this milestone in few resent years (Kelly’s Mr Know it
    All and Dark Side had peaked at #11 and #22 respectively).”

    From Kelly’s previous album, “My Life Would Suck without You” peaked #3 on the Pop chart on March 21, 2009.

    http://www.billboard.com/artist/kelly-clarkson/chart-history/498064#/song/kelly-clarkson/my-life-would-suck-without-you/12868601

    “Already Gone” peaked at #5 on the Pop chart on December 19, 2009.

    http://www.billboard.com/artist/kelly-clarkson/chart-history/498064#/song/kelly-clarkson/already-gone/12868606

    “I Do Not Hook Up” peaked at #8 on the Pop chart on June 13, 2009.

    http://www.billboard.com/artist/kelly-clarkson/chart-history/498064#/song/kelly-clarkson/i-do-not-hook-up/12868602

    So P2’s “Home” would be the 5 song to make it to the top 10 on the Pop chart in “recent” years.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    Stronger went No. 1 on BB Hot 100 My Life Would Suck Without You also
    went No. 1 on BB Hot 100 (interestingly, neither song made the Top 10 on
    BB Pop chart).  Mr Know It All peaked at #10 on the BB Hot 100 (although it topped out at #15 on BB Pop chart)

    W-w-w-what? I’m sorry but most of your numbers in this post are incorrect. “Stronger” went #1 on POP BB.
    “My Life Would Suck Without You” peaked at #3 on POP BB. Both obviously made top 10.

    And as I said previously “Mr Know It All” had peaked at #11.
    http://www.billboard.com/#/song/kelly-clarkson/mr-know-it-all/27595476

    LLWD went Top 10 on Mediabase and BB Pop charts.

    Yes, when I was talking about few resent years I meant 2011-2012. That is why Kris or Kelly’s singles from “All I Ever Wanted” were not mentioned.

  • fuzzywuzzy
  • irockhard

    Yes but what I find very ironic is that Simon wanted Melanie to win and possibly rigged the show in order to make it happen. Guess Simon just wanted her to win for the sake of his category (i.e. him) winning, this is why Simon needs to GTF off XFUS!

  • Karen C

    That’s incorrect — most of the Idols’ coronations songs are not promoted to radio. Aside from Scotty’s and Phillip’s, I’m not sure that any of the coronation songs were officially sent to radio. Kelly’s and Cook’s may have been, given the sales for those songs, but I don’t know that for sure.

    I’ve heard almost all of them on the radio, though, except for Beautiful Day, which was the only cover, and No Boundaries, which wasn’t promoted.   Maybe they aren’t really promoted to radio but just get some play if they have high sales.

  • girlygirltoo

    Yeah there was an article in the headlines thread the other day about how he has no interest in signing or promoting that Chris something-or-other who I guess is considered the favorite to win XFUK this season. So this seems like SOP for him. He even did that when he was on Idol, too, with his less than enthusiastic remarks about some of the winners and runners-up. It’s too bad for Melanie — I think she could have a nice career as an Urban AC artist if they would promote her in that genre.

  • Karen C

    But the part that surprised me was, I don’t think I ever knew about the AAA and Alt charting before. So AAA isn’t ‘always’ so hard-nosed…just mostly. *snerk*.

    That just shows that there might have been more acceptance with AAA and Alt if RCA had tried. Especially considering Light On was more alt, and there were other songs that would have fit that on both albums.  RCA wouldn’t even try.  I think that is where Interscope is doing a better job of properly promoting the winners.

  • girlygirltoo

    I got my info off of billboard.com.  So if the info’s wrong, it’s their fault :P

  • girlygirltoo

    Radio will play the coronation songs in the first 2-3 weeks after the finale, but that’s generally it, unless the song officially gets sent to radio or they get some kind of great response in terms of listener feedback or sales.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Yes, when I was talking about few resent years I meant 2011-2012. That
    is why Kris or Kelly’s singles from “All I Ever Wanted” were not
    mentioned.”

    Oh. You meant that last 2 years. “few” refers to more than 2. Sorry, but IMO by confining your comparison to such a very short time frame, it appears that P2 is more “special” than he really is.

  • girlygirltoo

    Crystal and Haley both got AAA radio play before Phillip. Both actually ended up having their debut singles charting in that format, although only briefly, and at the lower end of the chart. 

    Idols have also gotten alt rock radio play before Phillip. Primarily Daughtry and Cook, but Kris also got a few alt rock spins for LLWD — the song was even officially added by an alt rock station in Honolulu –, and I believe Adam got some spins from that same Honolulu station.

  • irockhard

    Yeah and James charted on Active Rock, Daughtry on Mainstream Rock and Casey A on Smooth Jazz. I’m pretty sure at least one Idol has charted on every format, even if only briefly/very low.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Stronger went No. 1 on BB Hot 100 My Life Would Suck Without You also
    went No. 1 on BB Hot 100 (interestingly, neither song made the Top 10 on
    BB Pop chart). Mr Know It All peaked at #10 on the BB Hot 100 (although
    it topped out at #15 on BB Pop chart).”

    This is incorrect.

    “Stronger” peaked at #1 on the Pop chart.

    “My Life Would Suck Without You” peaked at #3 on the Pop chart.

    “Mr. Know It All” peaked at #11 on the Pop chart.

    http://www.billboard.com/artist/kelly-clarkson/chart-history/498064#/artist/kelly-clarkson/chart-history/498064?f=381&g=Singles

  • Incipit

    That just shows that there might have been more acceptance with AAA and Alt if RCA had tried. Especially considering Light On was more alt, and there were other songs that would have fit that on both albums.  RCA wouldn’t even try.  I think that is where Interscope is doing a better job of properly promoting the winners.

    Yes, Karen C, “If” they had tried. – I can’t say enough times that I sincerely hope Interscope continues to give the winners Coronary songs in their genre, and to actually promote them like real songs…no more of these damn wasted opportunities…at least, not in this sphere! 

  • LongKissGoodnight

    But considering that a Country artist (Scotty) won the year before P2,
    and if you are only going back to 2011 then that would only include Lee,
    it just seems like such a limited comparison doesn’t really make sense.

    That timeframe included new material from Lee, Crystal, Adam, Kris, Kelly, Daughtry, Pia, Haley (and limited potential of crossovers from Carrie, who’s last record seems to be edging towards pop/rock sound more than her previous two did).

    Made sense to me. ;)

  • justmefornow

    *Sigh* 
    All this talk about charting on Rock radio makes me sad Wind-Up decided not to push Higher Than Heaven to Active Rock radio. I mean Stand Up went top 40 on Active Rock without ANY help from WindUp, they were too focused on LMB (Ugh!) on HAC :(

    http://www.mjsbigblog.com/monday-morning-mediabase-update-jan-16-22.htm

    Hoping for a good hard rocking 1st single off of album #2 that Wind-Up gets behind.

  • Incipit

    Good to know, girlygirltoo. All the more reason for the Label to have some cojones. Even though ladymadonna wasn’t following the spin counts that early in the game, there had to be more than a random one or two – and the fact that ToML charted at all on those two formats doesn’t get mentioned…that I have seen.

    Heck, I would have mentioned, had I known! *snerk* @ Myself. 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I still don’t think that it does make sense, since you are comparing someone fresh of the show from those who aren’t. The only comparable comparisons would be with S9 and S10 newbies (if you are only going back to 2011), and as I said, that comparison isn’t really valid, with Scotty (Country) winning in S10 and Lee winning in S9, but not having an original song for a first single. It’s apples and oranges.

  • suenigma

    nvm

  • LongKissGoodnight

    In order to “chart” on some format the song has to receive enough spins during particular tracking week to make the actual chart published by Billboard or Mediabase.
    Charts that are tracking radio spins have cut out rate of 40 or 50 positions depends on what service we are talking about.

    So “#300 AAA, #633 Alt” just means the song had received a few (most likely one) spin during one week from some rogue station.

    Even Lee’s and Crystal’s coves from AI have received such treatment, it does not mean that that songs have “charted”.

    And since Idol fans are nothing but vigilant about tracking success of their favorites, I am sure if “Time of My Life” have actually made into AAA of Alt charts we would know about it the same way we know about it peaks on other formats.

    It was a big hit on HAC and AC, and moderate hit on POP.
    Neither rock format have touched it.

  • TheOther

    it appears that P2 is more “special” than he really is.

    Phillip has already established his own milestones that he should be very proud of. 

    He is the only Idol to ever chart #1 on AAA.  He is the only winner to be #1 on BB’s Rock Album chart.  He has the best selling single of all time among the male winners; soon to be Triple Platinum.  He’s the youngest winner to have the most writing credits on their debut album. 

    I think it is pretty impressive to still be able to set precedence after 11 seasons.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yes, I agree that those are all “special” milestones, but my post was specifically referring to a claim made about charting in the top 10 on the Pop charts, in which the time frame was adjusted to make P2’s accomplishment stand out.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    I still don’t think that it does make sense, since you are comparing someone fresh of the show from those who aren’t.

    What can I say, I do not consider alumni separated from the tit of their respective Idol season incapable of scoring a hit on POP radio.

    As far as I am concerned everybody on that list (plus Cook, I have forgot about him, sorry) could have wrote or received from their A&R people the song that with some luck and major label push behind it could have ended up being so popular that pop PD’s would look like fools not to pick it up.
    Which is pretty much what have happened with Home.
    (I don’t expect it, but do not wright off the possibility.)

    Btw opposite of her two previous eras Carries new material have been tailored with HAC and POP potential crossover in mind. That fact that it have not happened yet does not neglect that a lot of new songs on her disk sonically is more pop/rock than country.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    We’ll just have to agree to disagree on your first point. The launch of an Idol winner is a special situation in and of itself, and to think that it’s not is not really appreciating the differences IMO. P2 is having great success with a single that he initially insisted was not representative of his own music, and now that I’ve heard his own songs, I agree with him. It also appears that the next favorite song from his album (at least by iTunes sales) is GGG, another song that he did not write. It will be interesting to see how his career evolves after a start that has been commercially very successful, but not based on his own music, especially when it appears that acceptance of his OWN music is what appears to be most important to P2.

    Also, regardless of what “sound” Carrie is trying to achieve on her latest CD, the fact is that none of her latest singles have crossed over to Pop, and at this point, there’s no reason to believe that any of them will, regardless of what kind of potential you see there.

  • irockhard

    James I have confidence in, it’s Wind-up and 19E I’m not sure about.

    My issue with Wind-up is they don’t appear to be very forward thinking compared to other rock labels. Their biggest acts (aside from The Darkness) are those who made it big years ago under the old owners and who are just pretty much sticking to their old sound and not evolving. Their newer acts are also not really doing anything groundbreaking, and their names don’t pop up amongst up and comers to watch out for. I think Wind-up was better under the original owners.

    19E tends to become useless during the 2nd era like a ball and chain that weighs the Idol alum down so they can’t move forward.

    Honestly I’ll be extatic when James is finally rid of both of them, hopefully he’ll survive his 2nd era but if he doesn’t so what? He’s got enough talent and contacts (6 alone at Eleven Seven Music to start) to make it in the long run without them.

  • Incipit

    Neither rock format have touched it.

    Would never have expected them to, LongKissGoodnight – since that was far, far from a rock song of any kind. I think the take-away is that if those formats were willing to play ToML at all – what “may” have happened with the same level of popularity, and an appropriate to the genre coronary that had promo from RCA and Idol – instead of a waltz in three-quarter time that had none. Or any of the other Idol Coronary Clunkers.

    As far as the number of spins needed to chart on any format in any given week in 2008 – I am totally in the dark, if you know what that would have been specifically for any particular week – good for you.  The numbers attached came from the top-500-chart-positions at that time, with no further data. And the data is not the point here.

    As I said, the Take-away or the lesson –  be vocal for no more wasted opportunities from Labels and/or a show too lazy or cheap to commission good songs for the winners, and treat them like they would any other real song…in fact, keep Idol PTB out of the Coronary Choosing altogether. No more cheesy souvenirs.

  • TheOther

    I’ve also seen comparasions where Phillip’s accomplishments are diminished, i.e., it was noted that his debut week paled in comparasion to earlier winners or even runner up Clay Aiken.  Yet is a known fact that the music industry has changed a lot in the last few years and sales have continued to declined overall.   Yet Phillip ended having a better debut than Jordin Sparks, Kris Allen, Lee Dewyze, who all came from more popular seasons.

  • justmefornow

    I would LOVE to see him at Eleven Seven Music!

  • TheOther

    It will be interesting to see how his career evolves after a start that has been commercially very successful, but not based on his own music, especially when it appears that acceptance of his OWN music is what appears to be most important to P2.

    But The World From The Side Of The Moon is doing very well commercially.  And Phillip either wrote or co-wrote the majority of the songs.  Both Kris Allen and Lee Dewyze had writing credits, but TWFTSOTM already sold more than Lee’s album.  And it will surely pass what Kris sold overall.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I’ve never thought that anachronistic comparisons meant very much. It’s like comparing current day sports figures with those from decades ago, when changes in the game and especially technology make such comparisons questionable. Clay may have had an amazing first week’s sales for his debut album, but he quickly became pretty irrelevant as an artist, and has coasted on those who remain from his Idol fanbase for a long time. At this point, his main achievements that still stand are large first week’s sales (and only from his first 2 albums), which only indicate how rabid his fans were. In the end, first week’s sales aren’t important compared to total sales and making a mark in music as an artist.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    True, but as always with Idols, their fans buy their albums often for reasons other than the music. Maybe, because Home has been so popular, non-Idol fans have been buying P2’s album because of that. P2 is off to a promising start, but it remains to be seen whether P2 will establish himself as an artist with the non-Idol public, and we won’t know that until the release of his sophomore album (just like any Idol alum).

  • irockhard

    Yeah he would fit right in there and their roster is way more impressive than Wind-up’s. Wind-up claims to be the world’s biggest indie label but juding by ESM’s roster I’d say they’re just as big. They don’t have anything against signing dropped acts either (Buckcherry, Drowning Pool), in fact they signed Drowning Pool after Wind-up dropped them. Also it’s run by real rockers, Nikki Sixx, who’s always been supportive of James, is the freaking president, while Gregg Wattenberg is Train’s primary HAC hitmaker. I won’t be the least bit surprised if ESM becomes James’ next label, however the parting with Wind-up takes place. They probably would’ve signed him if 19E, who likes to work with their buddies like Wattenberg, wasn’t in the picture

  • Ratna12

    If only there is Olympic every year, maybe the comparison is more appropriate, plus same support of label, etc, etc, etc.

    Whatever.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    The launch of an Idol winner is a special situation in and of itself, and to think that it’s not is not really appreciating the differences IMO.

    I appreciate the difference, I just don’t think that possibility of successes evaporates 2 years down the line.
    Record companies does not seem to think that either.
    Otherwise I can not explain their decision to give and support second eras to Kelly, Daughtry, Adam, Kris, Cook, Jordin just to name a few.
    All of that people were aiming for POP and/or HAC radioplay.
    Some have managed to score top 10 pop hits after the honeymoon of their post-Idol years was over. Some did not. Such is life.

    More so you seem to have read something i did not wright and took issue with it.
    I was talking about runway success of “Home”, the song. And it is undeniably “special” if you want to use this word.

    As for Phillip himself IMHO he is spacial in a sense that so far he has been very lucky, being the recipient of some top notch good karma either for himself or the song. To the point that he is collecting milestones he never aimed at or was interested in, when so many who did have failed (my personal favorites included by the way).

    And as far as commercial success, and radio penetration goes I fully expect Home to be the biggest single of his career.
    Sonically he is AAA artist (HAC at best), so there is no expectations of explosive pop crossover, lightning does not struck twice.

    All the more reasons to celebrate Home’s incredible success. And it has been truly incredible.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “As for Phillip himself IMHO he is spacial in a sense that so far he has
    been very lucky, being the recipient of some top notch good karma either
    for himself or the song. To the point that he is collecting milestones
    he never aimed at or was interested in, when so many who did have failed
    (my personal favorites included by the way).”

    Yes, on that we can agree. P2 was most definitely lucky with Home, and it remains to be seen if he will continue to be successful and manage to transition from Idol to lasting success with the non-Idol public.

  • iani

    “As for Phillip himself IMHO he is spacial in a sense that so far he has
    been very lucky, being the recipient of some top notch good karma either
    for himself or the song.”

    “If only there is Olympic every year, maybe the comparison is more appropriate, plus same support of label, etc, etc, etc.”

    You don’t need an Olympiad every year to have a successful single and a motive to compare idols’ singles that way, you need a label every year to support your song(s) that fit you and seems to reach so many, various souls, the way Stronger has reached and got so ways to be promoted, including  commercial ads got and now it is almost to 4M singles sold. Home has almost 3M sold with maybe 1/2 of the amount of promo Phillip has gotten compared with Stronger/KC.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I don’t think that the Olympic coverage of the gymnastic team with “Home” as the theme should be minimized. NBC drew around 39 millions viewers for their coverage of the team (one night), and “Home” was exposed to a huge audience.

  • jpfan2

    Home is selling 100K downloads a week because it’s in Top 10 on Top 40 radio. The Olympics is like the Idol finale. Important events of course but not driving the big sales today.

    Who knows if P2 will stand the test of time and avoid the dreaded sophmore Idol curse. All we know for sure is that he’s not the flop or disaster to the franchise some folks had predicted. ;0

  • girlygirltoo

    I don’t think the Olympics usage has anything to do with the fact that Home is still selling 100K every week.

    However, its exposure from the Olympics cannot be ignored, because I think we can all agree that if it had never gotten used on the Olympics, it likely wouldn’t be anywhere close to 3 million in sales right now. That was the event that really got the ball rolling again in terms of sales and radio play gaining significant momentum after the song had started to slow down a little bit after its big start following P2’s Idol win.

  • springboard2

    Yes, but the single benefited from it on a large scale because it clicked with the audience. Not all songs used during the Olympics or other major event, movie soundtrack, commercial, become hits. Some of them do , but the majority stay in the background.

  • Anny_nanny

    223. Melanie Amaro – Long Distance

    “Died without regaining consciousness.” Ugh!

  • heike hoffmann

     The song slowed down after a big starting week, because Phillip couldn´t do any promo for about 4 weeks because of his healths problems. But it rised again with beginning of the AI tour and some live acts ,which he had to do ( for example at the all star game). But off course the really boost came with the olympics and the radioplays after that.
    But you can´t not deny, that the last recent boost has nothing to do with the Olympics but only with the release of his album.

  • jpfan2

    Today’s update for HOME on Top 40 radio is great:

    11 9 PHILLIP PHILLIPS Home 7846 6995 851 51.657
    + 195 spins
    + 195 bullet
    + 0.676 audience

    This song hasn’t peaked yet. I thought it was losing spteam but again it surprises me. If it clicked with radio because of the Olympics I say thank you.

  • windmills

    CaseyJ’s COAS is going to regain a bullet on the official MB/Aircheck chart, so that’s going to keep COAS on this chart through mid-January at least. It was at risk of going recurrent on Billboard this week too but, if it’s MB AI gains translate to Billboard then it’ll stave off recurrency at Billboard as well.

    I was surprised when COAS hit a wall when it hit t20 and now I’m surprised it’s likely to have fought off recurrency after stalling. I’m not going to try and predict what’s next LOL except for COAS regaining its #22 spot at MB when recurrents are removed this afternoon.

    Kelly’s Don’t Rush will make MB t40 when recurrents are removed this afternoon since Luke, Miranda, and Jon Pardi are all going recurrent (unless the afternoon update causes DR to switch positions with Jana Kramer’s Whiskey but, I don’t think it will).

  • girlygirltoo

    Kris’ EP “Waiting for Christmas” was released to iTunes tonight, and it is currently at #151 on the overall iTunes chart.