Billboard – Chart Date 11/24/12

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Kirsten is away today. I can’t put together a thorough Billboard chart this week, but I can post a few articles that are food for thought.

First there is an article from Billboard charting the unlikely rise of Phillip Phillip’s “Home” to the top of the Triple A Format. Via Billboard.

“Oh, I was totally nervous about adding Phillip Phillips,” KGSR Austin, Texas, assistant PD/music director/midday talent Kristen Kurtis admits. “I was worried about the stigma that comes with ‘American Idol.’ After we got requests, we decided to add (‘Home’) – but instructed our jocks to not mention ‘Idol.’

“To my surprise, we haven’t received one negative message,” Kurtis says. “A woman even called me to say that she was grateful to hear it on KGSR because it fits so well with our sound.

“Foot, meet mouth,” she jokes.

HA!

And from chart Guru, Fred Broson, his weekly Idol Chart post for The Hollywood Reporter. Via the Hollywood Reporter

BRINGING IT ‘HOME’: There is no place like “Home” on the Billboard charts, especially when “Home” is a song by American Idol Season 11 winner Phillip Phillips. The coronation song has conquered its fifth chart, moving to No. 1 on the Triple A (Adult Album Alternative) survey. The single’s sweep began the week of June 9, when it topped the Rock Digital Songs tally. That means it has taken five months and two weeks for Phillips to run up his total of five No. 1s. How does that compare to the six other Idol winners who have five No. 1s or more? Let’s find out.

Hopefully Phillip has opened the door to other Idol artists on Triple A.

 
  • Mateja Praznik

    TOP 15 GETS UNIDIRECTIONAL: In what will be the third-largest debut of the year (behind Taylor Swift and Mumford & Sons), One Direction
    will lead a Top 15 next week that could contain as many as 10 new
    releases. Here’s how it looks headed into the weekend (not to be
    confused with The Weeknd):

    * One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 535-560k
    Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 140-150k
    * The Weeknd (XO/Republic) 90-95k
    * Soundgarden (Seven Four/Republic) 80-85k
    Rod Stewart (Verve) 80-85k
    * Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2 (Chop Shop/Atlantic) 80-85k
    * Christina Aguilera (RCA) 75-80k
    * Lana Del Rey Paradise EP (Interscope) 70-75k
    Now 44 (Capitol) 65-70k
    * Deftones (Reprise) 60-65k
    * Green Day (Reprise) 60-65k
    Jason Aldean (Broken Bow) 35-40k
    Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 35-40k
    * Susan Boyle (Syco/Columbia) 35-40k
    * Whitney Houston (RCA) 35-40k

    * Debuts

    We hope this finally puts to rest any doubt about whether or not we can count to 15. Now stare deeply into the Amazon widget and repeat after us: “There’s no time like Q4. There’s no time like Q4 … ” (11/15p)

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

  • Anny_nanny

    “Hopefully Phillip has opened the door to other Idol artists on Triple A.”

    Amen

  • Nadine_Bitch

    * Susan Boyle (Syco/Columbia) 35-40k

    Is this SuBo’s 2nd album because its really low from her 300k opening in 2009.

  • Mateja Praznik

     It’s her 4th album. She releases one album per year and does some promo for each release, but most of the year she’s out of the public eye so it’s no surprise her albums are selling less and less.

    She is a lot like most Idol contestants in that regard. The difference is, Susan did get her moment … or two, she sold millions of albums.

  • girlygirltoo

    it’s her 3rd (or 4th?) album. Her sales have been steadily declining with each release.

  • girlygirltoo

    Not surprising, but a little sad, that the Triple A radio PD instructed the DJs to not mention Idol when playing “Home”.

    I really don’t understand what is so wrong with the concept of, if a song is good and it fits the format, just play it. Don’t worry about who the artist is. In my opinion, the majority of the radio listening audience isn’t going to freak out if they suddenly discover that a song they enjoy is sung by a reality show contestant.

    Hopefully “Home’s” success will open the door to the AAA format for not just Phillip, but for Crystal, Lee, Kris, Brooke and any other ex-reality show contestants whose music fits into that format.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Susan also doesn’t tour, so that’s another avenue of promotion (and revenue) that she has not benefited from.

  • girlygirltoo

    I know she has tried to tour in the past but she had anxiety and/or other issues. She hasn’t tried touring at all recently?

  • Jaejae1

    I think singing contest winners still feel a little manufactured to the cohort that listens to AAA. Despite the talent, their rise doesn’t feel organic.

  • elliegrll

    Perception is important.  People can like a song, but if they find out that the artist who sings it isn’t doing well, meaning not selling a lot of records/singles, has no contract, and is basically struggling, most people won’t take the time to listen to other songs from that artist.

    Consumers have a preconceived idea of what AI contestants are like and the type of music that they are making, which is why it’s so important for them to use the first year that they are off of the show to establish who they are as artists.  They have to redefine themselves, because it’s a lie that it’s all about the music.  A new artist can come along and sing the same songs that Rihanna does, and sing them better, but they might not see her level of success, because they don’t have the massive public image/name recognition that she does.

  • girlygirltoo

    There are many artists in the AAA (and other) radio formats who don’t sell many albums or singles who still get lots of radio play. Many of them are on indie labels, as well. So what’s the difference between them and any ex-Idol?

    You’re saying I’m not supposed to like artist XYZ because they don’t have a platinum album or a huge hit single? That would mean I could not like about 99.9% of the artists in the world. I would then only be allowed to listen to a handful of artists (Bieber, Swift, 1D, etc). Yeah…that’s not going to happen. I would hope that the majority of  music listeners in the world aren’t that close minded…radio pds need to allow the listeners to make up their own minds, rather than deny artists the chance to build a career because of some stupid preconceived ideas. So what if they don’t have a platinum album — maybe they would if radio would actually play their music!

    Then radio PDs in that article who are quoted ADMIT that their listeners don’t care that Phillip came off Idol. Some radio needs to stop caring, as well. Let the artist and the song succeed or fail on own, rather than never even giving them a chance to succeed or fail. I’d personally muh rather hear great music from someone I’ve never heard of, then hearing teh same Katy Perry or Justin Bieber or John Mayer or Taylor Swift, etc., song on my radio station every freaking hour.

  • elliegrll

    You’re saying I’m not supposed to like artist XYZ because they don’t have a platinum album or a huge hit single?

    No, I said that image and perception matter, when it comes to people purchasing music, or supporting artists.  I was giving you one example of people hearing a song, but not checking out other songs from the same artist, if the perception that they have is that the artist is struggling.  

    That example had nothing to do with any particular format, especially since what those who follow triple A artists consider  successful would be different than what pop fans would consider a success.  

    My point is that people have a preconceived opinion about those who come off of AI, and that opinion isn’t helped by some of the music that is released, or the fact that the initial promo surrounding these people centers around them being from American Idol, and is not about them as artists.  

    I think it’s pretty human to let these biases color how we feel about music, especially when the artists are new.

  • standtotheright

    I was giving you one example of people hearing a song, but not checking out other songs from the same artist, if the perception that they have is that the artist is struggling.

    Music fans who are primarily radio listeners are low-information consumers. Where do they get the “perception” that artists are struggling unless they hear it from DJs? They aren’t reading Billboard or most other industry-focused publications. Sure, sales figures may eventually show up in EW but unless they are a surprise to the upside or downside it’s generally pretty muted coverage for the first quarter or two of an album cycle.

    So there’s really no reason for PDs to allow perception to color their playlist choices, rather than a blind assessment about whether the song fits the format. If it turns out that they have a greater share of high-information listeners who are paying attention to perception and don’t want the song on the radio, they can take steps. In cases like this, they clearly didn’t have to.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    No, I said that image and perception matter, when it comes to people purchasing music, or supporting artists.  I was giving you one example of people hearing a song, but not checking out other songs from the same artist, if the perception that they have is that the artist is struggling.  

    I think that may be giving radio listeners far too much credit for researching artists before buying.

    Pundits love to tout how important image and personality are (thus allowing them to blame the decline of the music industry on musicians not tweeting their little hearts out, rather than on poor management at the CFO level). And of course the Idol system sets us up to competitively evaluate musicians based on perceptions of “success” (so it’s ironic that pundits mostly don’t like Idol). But seriously — if you hear a song on the radio a bunch of times and think it’s really cool, do you do a bunch of research on the artist or do you hop over to iTunes and download the song?

    The overwhelming rise of singles buying in preference to album buying implies that a lot of casual music buyers just buy the single without concerning themselves much about the singer — because if they were over the moon for the singer, rather than the song, they’d buy the album. 

    I’ll grant that AAA has its culture of music snobbery and hipsterism… but a lot of the Idol stigma seems to be a knee-jerk reaction by programmers without checking whether listeners would be fine with the music. Let the right influential AAA hipsters embrace Home, and there’ll soon be earnest postmodern essays on how hip and insightful it is to recognize the merits of American Idol alumni.

  • elliegrll

    I agree that they are going to buy the single, I think that I referred to that earlier, so the question becomes, how do we get them invested enough to buy the album, check out more music from the artist, and to even shell out money for concert tickets.   IMO, at that point it does involve how the person is being managed, which means what are the artist, management, and label doing to build a brand or image.  IMO, that’s where perception comes in, and building that image is important, if the artists is going to see success beyond just one song.

  • standtotheright

    If they don’t hear other songs from the artist on the radio stations that they listen to, don’t read about them in whatever publications that they read, and don’t see them on the shows that they watch, then they will jump to the conclusion that the artist isn’t popular, or doing well.

    Which pretty much all goes back to getting radio play, and supports girlygirltoo’s statement that the PDs should play the songs that fit their formats and stop worrying about whether their listeners will pre-judge the songs. Then those listeners will see and hear them, and then possibly decide to take more interest in the artist. Management can try various tactics, but in the end, it’s mostly about radio.

  • elliegrll

    I think in the end it’s about both.  Like everything else, artists aren’t going to have success if they aren’t getting both, radio play, and management that is cultivating their image and brand.  Ideally, both are happening at the same time. 

    I think that we can look at a group like One Direction who had one huge hit, and that is partly the reason why they are going to sell half a million albums this week, but their brand is also part of the equation.

  • Hazehel

    That means it has taken five months and two weeks for Phillips to run up his total of five No. 1s.

    Can anyone tell me what are the 5 No.1s?  I can only find 4 – Rock Digital Songs, Hot Digital Songs, Hot Digital Tracks, AAA.

  • OffLeash

    AAA is my favorite format, but IMO there’s no guarantee that a special snowflake one believes fits the format and should be accepted, will be considered the right fit for AAA stations once they disregard the Idol stigma. Most Idol alums I can think of fit in the HAC format, not necessarily AAA. JMO.

  • girlygirltoo

    Besides Phillip, Crystal and Lee are much more AAA than HAC. So is someone like Brooke White. So, at least with some of their music, are Kris and David Cook. Haley is another one who fits the AAA format with at least some of her music, as does Casey Abrams with some of his. None of these people are really HAC types at heart, yet that’s where most of them were shoved by Sony.

    If they don’t fit the AAA (or whatever other) format, that’s one thing. But if they DO fit the format, their songs shouldn’t be ignored by radio just because they came off Idol. It’s hard enough to make it in this business without getting dismissed without even having a chance to be heard, just because they went on a reality singing show. It’s stupid. Radip PDs could potentially be missing out on some of the most amazing music, just because of preconceived notions that, no, no one from a reality show could ever put out the type of music their listeners would want to hear. As “Home” proves, that’s not necessarily the case.All I’m asking for is that for the radio PDs. and the public, make decisions on the quality of the music and whether they enjoy it, not on how whether the artist came off a reality show or has worked their way up by pretty sh*tty dives for years. What does it matter where anyone came from? If a song is good, it will be good no matter who performs it (one artist’s inerpretation may be more interesting or more popular, but it is hard to make a really good song sound horrible). Likewise, if it’s a crappy song, it’s a crappy song, no matter who performs it (again, one artist’s interpretation may be better than another’s, but it is almost impossible to turn a crappy song into an actual good song).A fair shake doesn’t seem that much to ask for. If the music doesn’t fit the format, well then, don’t. Or if it does fit the format and the public doesn’t like or respond to it, well, that’s the way it goes — at least then the artist had his or her opportunity. 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I don’t think so. Even when Susan comes to the U.S., it’s for a very specific appearance and very brief. I think that she appeared in the musical based on her life that toured the U.K., briefly at the end of the shows, but except for one-off television appearances (most of which are taped) or the odd live performance, I think that she still has difficulty performing live so hasn’t toured. When I saw her perform on DWTS with Donnie Osmond this season, she looked absolutely terrified and very stiff. I don’t enjoy watching her perform because she seems so scared.

  • OffLeash

    Home was the exception, and it doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll play something else from P2′s album. I think AAA considers the album/artist as a whole, that’s why I said Home was the exception, because P2 had nothing else out. But for those who released albums, having one AAA leaning song on an album that’s mostly lite pop/rock or HAC might not be interesting to AAA stations PDs. Kris and Cook are HAC mainly IMO, even if you seem to disagree.

    As for P2, if they consider P2′s album “AAA” enough, which I believe it is but I could be wrong ~we’ll find out soon enough, then they might play another single from it. 

  • girlygirltoo

    I don’t necessarily agree, because people like Adele, John Mayer and Jason Mraz are all staples of AAA radio, and they put out albums that contain HAC and even straight out CHR songs. 

  • springboard2

    Mediabase

     

  • springboard2

    ITunes Charts (from LivePopBars)

    11/16/2012 (10am East) – Top 1500 Singles
    8. Home – Phillip Phillips
    12. Little Things – One Direction
    34. Blown Away – Carrie Underwood
    40. Live While We’re Young – One Direction
    48. Good Time – Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen
    50. Call Me Maybe – Carly Rae Jepsen
    55. What Makes You Beautiful – One Direction
    58. She’s Not Afraid – One Direction
    66. Nobody Compares – One Direction
    70. Kiss You – One Direction
    71. Catch My Breath – Kelly Clarkson
    72. Live While We’re Young – One Direction
    74. Still the One – One Direction
    93. Rock Me – One Direction
    95. Loved You First – One Direction
    100. Don’t Rush (feat. Vince Gill) – Kelly Clarkson
    103. Heart Attack – One Direction
    115. They Don’t Know About Us – One Direction
    118. Little Things – One Direction
    121. Oath (feat. Becky G) – Cher Lloyd
    122. Want U Back – Cher Lloyd
    131. One Thing – One Direction
    140. Last First Kiss – One Direction
    145. Crying On a Suitcase – Casey James
    157. I Would – One Direction
    166. Good Girl – Carrie Underwood
    171. C’mon, C’mon – One Direction
    177. Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You) – Kelly Clarkson
    188. Over Again – One Direction
    212. When a Man Loves a Woman (The Voice Performance) – Trevin Hunte
    232. This Kiss – Carly Rae Jepsen
    236. Back To Black (The Voice Performance) – Bryan Keith
    242. Summer Love – One Direction
    246. Cough Syrup (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    256. Behind These Hazel Eyes (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    264. Back for You – One Direction
    266. Change My Mind – One Direction
    296. Rock Me – One Direction
    309. Kiss You – One Direction
    325. Dark Side – Kelly Clarkson
    329. Dream On (The Voice Performance) – Amanda Brown
    334. Heart Attack – One Direction
    336. More Than a Feeling (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott
    361. You Are – Colton Dixon
    376. Live While We’re Young – One Direction
    405. They Don’t Know About Us – One Direction
    435. Can’t Take My Eyes Off of You (The Voice Performance) – Dez Duron
    437. Cowboy Casanova – Carrie Underwood
    485. Good Morning (feat. TobyMac) – Mandisa & tobyMac
    502. Before He Cheats – Carrie Underwood
    508. Up All Night – One Direction
    509. The Power of Love (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    595. Last First Kiss – One Direction
    610. Carol of the Bells – Pentatonix
    612. Toxic (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    616. Moments – One Direction
    619. I Would – One Direction
    688. The One That Got Away (The Voice Performance) – Sylvia Yacoub
    698. My Heart Will Go On (The Voice Performance) – Sylvia Yacoub
    771. C’mon, C’mon – One Direction
    776. Lights (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    801. Eighteen Inches – Lauren Alaina
    825. How Great Thou Art – Carrie Underwood
    856. Jesus, Take the Wheel – Carrie Underwood
    944. What Makes You Beautiful – One Direction
    961. Mr. Know It All – Kelly Clarkson
    965. Call Me Maybe (The Voice Performance) – MacKenzie Bourg
    986. Gotta Be You (2012 US Version) – One Direction
    987. You’re the First, the Last, My Everything (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    1006. Over Again – One Direction
    1018. More Than This – One Direction
    1023. Bleeding Love – Leona Lewis
    1102. Hit the Road Jack (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    1106. Two Black Cadillacs – Carrie Underwood
    1121. Behind These Hazel Eyes – Kelly Clarkson
    1137. With Ur Love – Cher Lloyd
    1140. Summer Love – One Direction
    1157. O Holy Night – Chris Mann
    1169. Bulletproof (The Voice Performance) – Melanie Martinez
    1198. Home – Daughtry
    1200. Heart Skips a Beat (feat. Chiddy Bang) – Olly Murs
    1224. Undo It – Carrie Underwood
    1238. Torn (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    1253. Maybe I’m Amazed (The Voice Performance) – Terry McDermott
    1256. Back for You – One Direction
    1271. She’s Gone (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    1272. Start of Something Good – Daughtry
    1287. Swagger Jagger – Cher Lloyd
    1297. How Am I Supposed to Live Without You (The Voice Performance) – Trevin Hunte
    1335. One Thing – One Direction
    1339. Where We Came From – Phillip Phillips
    1351. Because of You – Kelly Clarkson
    1427. Payphone (The Voice Performance) – Cassadee Pope
    1449. Put Your Records On (The Voice Performance) – Nicholas David
    1452. Spectrum (The Voice Performance) – Amanda Brown
    1456. Already Gone – Kelly Clarkson
    1494. Listen (The Voice Performance) – Trevin Hunte
    1498. Kiss You Inside Out – Hedley

    11/16/2012 (10am East) – Top 1500 Albums
    1. Take Me Home (Yearbook Edition) – One Direction
    5. Take Me Home – One Direction
    14. PTXmas – EP – Pentatonix
    53. Up All Night (Deluxe Version) – One Direction
    60. The World from the Side of the Moon (Deluxe) – Phillip Phillips
    67. Blown Away – Carrie Underwood
    138. Up All Night – One Direction
    153. Sticks & Stones – Cher Lloyd
    154. PTX, Vol. 1 – Pentatonix
    176. Christmas With Scotty McCreery – Scotty McCreery
    280. The World from the Side of the Moon – Phillip Phillips
    338. Stronger (Deluxe Version) – Kelly Clarkson
    354. Greatest Hits – Chapter One – Kelly Clarkson
    413. Kiss (Deluxe) – Carly Rae Jepsen
    469. iTunes Festival: London 2012 – EP – One Direction
    758. Roads – Chris Mann
    819. I’m Right Here – Chris Rene
    938. Some Hearts – Carrie Underwood
    950. Break the Spell (Deluxe Version) – Daughtry
    977. Casey James – Casey James
    1036. Daughtry – Daughtry
    1041. Phillip Phillips: Journey to the Finale – Phillip Phillips
    1059. Trespassing (Deluxe Version) – Adam Lambert
    1110. Cassadee Pope – EP – Cassadee Pope
    1132. Carnival Ride – Carrie Underwood
    1197. What If We Were Real – Mandisa
    1276. Play On – Carrie Underwood
    1325. Breakaway – Kelly Clarkson

  • springboard2

    IMO there’s no guarantee that a special snowflake one believes fits the
    format and should be accepted, will be considered the right fit for AAA
    stations once they disregard the Idol stigma. Most Idol alums I can
    think of fit in the HAC format, not necessarily AAA. JMO.

    I agree, and more precisely, to me ‘good fit for a format’ means suitable in both style and quality (as a single: some songs are good album tracks but not good singles).
    I don’t think that it has necessarily been the case for past idol alum singles.

  • jdanton2

    on the Mediabase AC chart which was not listed there  Jordin Sparks has recently debuted with a Christmas song.

    0 35 JORDIN SPARKS Do You Hear What I Hear? 47 0 47 0.253