Billboard – 06/25/11

As we all know, there are approximately 44,757 Billboard charts. This is a summary of just some of those charts and how the Idols did on them this week. Please feel free to post rankings from your favourite BB chart or any other numbers you care to share. This is the daily numbers thread.

Note: This week I’m adding The Voice and AGT contestants, but I’m removing the judges. I prefer to follow the contestants as they struggle to become established artists and those that have become established. Frankly, I’m kind of annoyed at the judges for using these shows as a platform to rejuvenate their careers while being paid mega bucks, gobbling up valuable performance slots and providing little in the way of value to the contestants or viewers. This is my little protest. I reserve the right to change my mind and will listen to convincing arguments as to why I should put them back in (basically, all you have to say is that you are interested in reading those stats for the 6 judges of Idol and The Voice – thankfully, Randy doesn’t sing).

Lauren Alaina:
Season 10 Compilation Album: Country Albums 60 (28);
Like My Mother Does: Digital Country Song 32 (7); Country Songs 45 (43)

Kelly Clarkson:
Don’t You Wanna Stay: Adult Top 40 12 (16); Digital Country Song 17 (19)

David Cook:
The Last Goodbye: Adult Top 40 38 (40)

Daughtry:
September: Adult Contemporary 7 (6)

Jacki Evancho (AGT):
O Holy Night: Classical Cross-Over Album 3 (4)
Dream With Me: Classical Cross-Over Album 6 (NEW)

Fantasia:
Back to Me: R&B Album 64 (65)
Collard Greens & Cornbread: Adult R&B 11 (11), R&B Hip-Hop Airplay 57 (62)

Dia Frampton (The Voice):
Heartless: Hot 100 78 (NEW)

Michael Grimm (AGT):
Michael Grimm: BB200 60 (43);
I Am Michael Grimm: Top Internet Albums 12 (NEW)

Jennifer Hudson:
I Remember Me: BB200 72 (84); R&B Album: 13 (16)
Where You At: Adult R&B 10 (8); Dance Club Song 34 (34); R&B Hip-Hop Airplay 52 (43);
No One Gonna Love You: Adult R&B 22 (26); R&B Hip-Hop Airplay 50 (61);
Don’t Look Down: Adult R&B 37, R&B Hip-Hop Airplay 75 (RE)

Mandisa:
What If We Were Real: Christian Albums 11 (9)
Stronger: Christian AC 2 (1); Christian Songs 2 (1)

Scotty McCreery:
Season 10 Compilation Album: Country Albums 32 (10);
I Love You This Big: Hot 100 68 (35); Digital Country Song 13 (2); Country Songs 25 (28)

Kellie Pickler:
Tough: Country Songs 53 (59)

Chris Sligh:
One: Christian AC 25 (25); Christian Songs 33 (29)

Carrie Underwood:
Play On: Country Catalog Album 11 (8); Pop Catalog Album 45 (36)
Remind Me: Hot 100 59 (NEW); Country Songs 21 (26); Hot Digital Tracks 40 (NEW); Country Digital Songs 9 (NEW)

  • Kirsten

    Over 1500 monitored spins!

    30 24 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 1562 920 642 11.209
    +84 spins
    +14 bullet
    +0.484 AI

  • Pam

    ETA: Kirsten-You and I had posted Scotty’s stats at about the same time so I deleted mine. heh

    HAC
    12 11 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 2075 1842 233 10.897
    41 38 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 434 394 40 1.095

    AC
    23 13 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 315 123 192 4.149
    16 14 MATTHEW MORRISON Summer Rain 263 251 12 1.092

    Country
    26 20 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 2134 1438 696 14.672
    30 24 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 1562 920 642 11.209
    52 49 LAUREN ALAINA Like My Mother Does 255 199 56 1.444

    Urban
    39 35 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 682 552 130 3.112

    Urban AC
    9 10 JENNIFER HUDSON Where You At 844 1068 -224 4.318
    13 11 FANTASIA Collard Greens & Cor… 834 732 102 4.022
    27 23 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 383 353 30 2.346
    39 36 JENNIFER HUDSON Don’t Look Down 168 121 47 2.182

    Christian AC
    2 2 MANDISA Stronger 1130 1191 -61 4.605
    23 22 CHRIS SLIGH One 354 330 24 1.353

    Canada-Main AC
    18 13 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 175 135 40 1.465

    Canada-Country
    33 23 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 387 266 121 1.503
    36 29 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 309 221 88 1.081
    53 48 LAUREN ALAINA Like My Mother Does 100 67 33 0.257

  • tripp_ncwy

    Mediabase (rolling) lw/TW: Jun 16

    US

    HAC
    12 11 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 2075 1842 233 10.897
    23 21 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 1142 985 157 4.445
    24 24 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 893 840 53 4.006
    41 38 DAVID COOK Last Goodbye 434 394 40 1.095

    AC
    23 13 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 315 123 192 4.149
    16 14 MATTHEW MORRISON Summer Rain 263 251 12 1.092

    Country
    26 20 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 2134 1438 696 14.672
    30 24 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 1562 920 642 11.209
    52 49 LAUREN ALAINA Like My Mother Does 255 199 56 1.444

    Top 40
    7 8 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 7962 9108 -1146 50.494
    41 40 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 891 830 61 3.264
    48 43 JENNIFER LOPEZ I’m Into You f/Lil W… 708 446 262 4.342

    Mainstream Rock
    20 22 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 45 46 -1 0.101

    Urban
    39 35 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 682 552 130 3.112

    Urban AC
    9 10 JENNIFER HUDSON Where You At 844 1068 -224 4.318
    13 11 FANTASIA Collard Greens & Cor… 834 732 102 4.022
    27 23 JENNIFER HUDSON No One Gonna Love Yo… 383 353 30 2.346
    39 36 JENNIFER HUDSON Don’t Look Down 168 121 47 2.182

    Rhythmic
    20 25 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 1667 1878 -211 11.079
    32 34 JENNIFER LOPEZ I’m Into You f/Lil W… 801 852 -51 2.652

    Christian AC
    2 2 MANDISA Stronger 1130 1191 -61 4.605
    23 22 CHRIS SLIGH One 354 330 24 1.353

    Canadian

    Top 40
    4 5 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 1044 1292 -248 8.782
    60 50 JENNIFER LOPEZ I’m Into You f/Lil W… 140 103 37 1.628

    HAC
    3 5 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 819 891 -72 5.019
    54 48 JENNIFER LOPEZ I’m Into You f/Lil W… 110 89 21 0.513

    Main-AC
    18 13 JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay 175 135 40 1.465
    28 23 JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL On The Floor 106 74 32 1.466

    Canada Country
    33 23 BRAD PAISLEY/CARRIE UNDERWOOD Remind Me 387 266 121 1.503
    36 29 SCOTTY MCCREERY I Love You This Big 309 221 88 1.081
    53 48 LAUREN ALAINA Like My Mother Does 100 67 33 0.257

    Canada-Active Rock
    18 15 STEVEN TYLER (It) Feels So Good 125 109 16 0.31

  • chearts77

    Go Scotty!!! :D

    Kirsten, I never had any interest in what the judges were doing and actually found it to be “cloddering” the list so, for me, thank you for taking them out this week. I feel the same way you do. I got disgusted this past year with all the promo JLo and Steven got so I couldn’t care less how they are doing on the charts.

  • windmills

    Kirsten: Thumbs up to removing the judges from tracking. It’d be one thing if there weren’t other stuff to track but there is so I join your protest :)

    Itunes check:

    19. Remind Me (Brad/Carrie)
    21. Heartless (Dia from The Voice)
    23. Angel (Javier from The Voice)
    35. Jolene (Vicci from The Voice)
    49. Black Horse And The Cherry Tree (Casey from The Voice)
    62. Price Tag (Xenia from The Voice)
    68. Don’t You Wanna Stay (Jason/Kelly)
    69. I Love You This Big (Scotty)
    113. Time After Time (Javier from The Voice)
    167. Like My Mother Does (Lauren)
    189. Sex On Fire (Nakia from The Voice)
    197. Jesus Take The Wheel (Jeff from The Voice)
    206. Breakeven (Xenia from The Voice)
    252. I’m The Only One (Beverly from The Voice)
    293. When Love Takes Over (Frenchie from The Voice)
    336. All American Girl (Carrie)
    372. Stop And Stare (Devon from The Voice)
    376. Rolling In The Deep (Vicci from The Voice)
    400. Undo It (Carrie)
    403. Jesus Take The Wheel (Carrie)
    440. F**kin Perfect (Vicci and Niki from The Voice)
    450. Best Days Of Your Life (Kellie)
    452. Before He Cheats (Carrie)
    503. Bubbly (Dia from The Voice)
    542. Battlefield (Jordin)
    558. Use Somebody (Jared from The Voice)
    580. My Life Would Suck Without You (Kelly)
    585. I Hope You Dance (Patrick from The Voice)
    602. How Great Thou Art (Carrie)
    652. Creep (Devon and Rebecca from The Voice)
    700. Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy (Thompson Sisters from The Voice)
    702. Bennie & The Jets (Haley)
    735. I Am Woman (Jordin)
    745. Cowboy Casanova (Carrie)
    770. House Of The Rising Sun (Haley)
    817. Addicted To Love (Curtis from The Voice)
    844. Leather & Lace (Casey and Tim from The Voice)
    957. Rolling In The Deep (Haley)
    981. Temporary Home (Carrie)
    984. Stand By Me (Javier and Angela from The Voice)
    1017. Whataya Want From Me (Adam)

  • caroleinfla

    I feel the same way about the judges. I’m glad you’ve taken them off the list. They make me not even want to watch the shows. Maybe the judges should not be singers if this is the way it’s going to be.

  • Lucy1234

    I agree – I don’t care to see JLo’s or any other judges numbers – they are just using these shows to help their own careers anyway.

  • larc

    chearts77 says:
    I got disgusted this past year with all the promo JLo and Steven got so I couldn’t care less how they are doing on the charts.

    ITA! Besides, JLo and Steven aren’t Idols anyway. They’re just hired help on the show. ;)

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Dream With Me: Classical Cross-Over Album 6 (NEW)

    This CD was only released on June 14. Does this chart have a different cut off date in reporting sales?

    ETA:

    I got disgusted this past year with all the promo JLo and Steven got so I couldn’t care less how they are doing on the charts.

    I feel exactly the same way.

  • Pam

    ETA: I agree peeps. I’ve removed the judges from my stats. :)

    The projections grew a little today for both Bad Meets Evil and Jackie Evancho, set to debut next week. We’re once again giving the edge to Bad Meets Evil for #1 on next week’s chart, although the numbers are close enough for it to go either way come Monday. Adele, in her 17th week of release, barely drops at all and stays over 100k for the 12th week. Here’s how it looks headed into the weekend:

    *Bad Meets Evil (Shady/Interscope) 155-165k
    *Jackie Evancho (Columbia) 145-155k
    Adele (Columbia) 110-115k
    Lady Gaga (Interscope) 65-70k
    *Owl City (Universal Republic) 50-55k
    Jason Aldean (Broken Bow) 45-50k
    Now 38 (Capitol/EMI) 30-35k
    Book of Mormon (Ghostlight/Razor & Tie) 28-32k
    Brad Paisley (Arista Nashville) 28-32k
    Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 28-32k
    *Ledisi (Verve Forecast) 27-30k
    *Barry Manilow (Stiletto Entertainment) 25-28k
    Ronnie Dunn (Arista Nashville) 20-23k
    *Now Country 4 (Universal Music Group) 20-23k
    *Black Veil Brides (Universal Republic) 20-23k
    *Debuts (6/16p)

    Hits Daily Double

  • Lucy1234

    I prefer to compare Scotty and Lauren with only country artists

    Itunes country

    Songs
    LYTB (Scotty) #18
    LMMD (Lauren) #40

    Albums
    American Idol Season 10 (Scotty) #10
    American Idol Season 10 (Lauren) #43

  • Kirsten

    Lady Gaga (Interscope) 65-70k

    That just keeps dropping like a stone. By the fourth week, sales should have stabilized to a 25% drop or so. IDK. Still could be feeling the effect of those 99cent albums.

    Adele, in her 17th week of release, barely drops at all and stays over 100k for the 12th week.

    What a machine. I wonder what they will release for her second single now that RITD is starting to lose spins on Pop.

  • HappyDaisy

    Hey numbers gurus, what’s your assessment of how Cook’s single has been doing and why? Too early to tell or not?

    ETA: The video is not being shown on VH1′s countdown yet is it?

  • Eileen99

    I vote for a judge-free zone. There has to be one safe place left on the interwebs, this may as well be it.

    Not feeling too sorry for Gaga’s album numbers dropping so quickly, I’m really over her. Jason Aldean’s album numbers continue to astonish. I thought I was late to get on his bandwagon when I bought it a couple of months ago, but apparently there are even more latecomers.

  • girlygirl

    Scotty’s song seems to have stabilized in terms of iTunes — this is the 3rd straight morning it has been at #68 when I checked the chart

    iTunes for Friday morning

    #68 – ILYTB
    #164 – LMMD

    albums

    #83 – Scotty
    #362 – Lauren

  • Q3

    Kirsten says:
    06/17/2011 at 10:35 am

    Lady Gaga (Interscope) 65-70k

    That just keeps dropping like a stone. By the fourth week, sales should have stabilized to a 25% drop or so. IDK. Still could be feeling the effect of those 99cent albums.

    I think you are right — the $0.99 sale pushed a lot of marginal buyers to purchase week 1 rather than later. Plus, this was so heavily promoted — and event album — that even the most casual Gaga fan knew it was released for sale. That would shift a lot of sales to the first few days, too.

    But uf the album was better (JMHO BTW << Fame/Fame Monster), I am sure sales would have held up better. I am a $0.99 BTW owner and feel that was the perfect price for this album.

    – I also am on the “Judge-Free Zone” team. I have no interest in what the judges sell. –

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Hey numbers gurus, what’s your assessment of how Cook’s single has been doing and why? Too early to tell or not?

    Its pattern (adds, chart position, spins, AI) has been about the same so far as Neon Trees’ current single and Sara Bareilles’ most recent single.

    The slope of the line(s) is actually a little better than Andy Grammer’s Keep Your Head Up was this early in its appearance on the Mediabase charts, but I think Grammer got adds more weeks in advance of its official impact date, so the comparison’s not perfect.

    I need to add a larger number of recent songs to my spreadsheet tonight (this is tedious work from incomplete data), but basically, there’s cause neither for running screaming nor for popping the champagne corks.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    *Barry Manilow (Stiletto Entertainment) 25-28k

    This is Barry’s first album of original songs in 10 years.

    http://www.stilettoentertainment.com/content/BM2011release.html

    I didn’t know that he had left Arista (even though he’s still listed as an artist on their website).

    http://www.rcamusicgroup.com/artists

  • Andy11

    Having so many reality shows in the mix could really affect sales of albums. By the time an Idol favorite comes out with an album, for example, the fickle mob may have moved onto the Voice or the X-factor. It really is going to be all about what people do after the show they have been on unless they are extremely novel like Jackie Evanco or Susan Boyle.

  • Shirley

    I just want to add my agreement with you and appreciation for removing the judges from these reports. They don’t need the additional exposure you would be giving them if you published them. I use to like JLo and can’t stand her now because of the way she addressed Haley, and I also think JLo and ST got way more publicity than the Idols themselves got. The show was supposed to be about the Idols, not the judges. I don’t know if I’ll follow Idol next year, or not. The only thing is that I love to see the Idols when they come back and perform…thanks for letting me rant here.

  • Kirsten

    This CD was only released on June 14. Does this chart have a different cut off date in reporting sales?

    It is probably charting on street violations. I’m pretty sure the volumes on that chart are pretty small. Jackie’s Christmas album is still number three and it is June.

  • tinawina

    Hey numbers gurus, what’s your assessment of how Cook’s single has been doing and why? Too early to tell or not?

    I’m not really a guru, I’m a sh*t talker. I will answer anyway because that’s what sh*t talkers do. LOL

    But I feel like it’s in a frustrating place… doing just enough so you can’t really write it off but not enough to get excited about. :D Right now it seems like a song that is destined to peak in the 30s. But since songs can suddenly drop off or shoot up without notice, you never know. Sigh.

    Soon there will be an album to listen to and we can all play the customary “what the 1st single should have been” game anyway. It’s an Idol tradition!

  • rayni

    I’m not really a guru, I’m a sh*t talker. I will answer anyway because that’s what sh*t talkers do. LOL

    ROFL – my favorite kind of talkers – I understand sh*t!

  • Shirley

    I heard that it was announced on VH1 Top Twenty Countdown that Cook would be on this week. So I think his video will be shown, also. I’m going to be watching for it. Regarding how Cook’s new TLG song is doing on the charts, I don’t know. I know that it is not played as much as I would like, and I don’t understand that. But the CD hasn’t even been released yet, and the video will debut on VH1 Top Twenty Countdown this week and Cook will be on there to sell it, so I think that should help some. I also heard rumours that it appeared a couple of times on Jumpstart on VH1 but I never was able to catch it. I have to express again my disappointment that he didn’t get more promo on Idol. I heard more about JLo and ST’s releases than Cook’s, and I thought the show was supposed to be there to promote the Idols, not the judges. When Cook performed his goodbye song on Idol “Don’t You Forget About Me” they didn’t even mention it was available for purchase on I-tunes, did they? I was surprised they even got to play the whole song on the show the way they “fit” it in there at the very end after Ryan announced the lines were open for voting!

  • springboard

    Its pattern (adds, chart position, spins, AI) has been about the same so far as Neon Trees’ current single and Sara Bareilles’ most recent single.

    The slope of the line(s) is actually a little better than Andy Grammer’s Keep Your Head Up was this early in its appearance on the Mediabase charts, but I think Grammer got adds more weeks in advance of its official impact date, so the comparison’s not perfect.

    I need to add a larger number of recent songs to my spreadsheet tonight (this is tedious work from incomplete data), but basically, there’s cause neither for running screaming nor for popping the champagne corks.

    I disagree completely. This is tanking, so is Neon Trees’ single…

    Andy Grammar songs had a spin count of 785 at 45 days after adds date, instead of 434 and double the audience impression…

    In the last year (the period I checked), only songs that were pushed on another format first as a priority (WWFM on Pop or RITD on AAA), or songs from total new comers like Christina Perri, did well after such a slow start.

    Sorry, but this song is failing and bar a miracle, it will never become big enough to do its job of promoting the album.

    I have updated the HAC comparative charts with the songs from Neon Trees (Your Surrender), Andy Grammer (Keep You Head Up), and Sarah Bareilles(Uncharted)
    https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonyBprQsNSGdDhBNW5fMHJYMlV3bGR5RU9uR0hLZkE&hl=en_US&authkey=COvFgNYL

  • Elliegrll

    TLG is stalling. Despite breaking into the top 40, it’s been treading water for about a month. It could still take off, but its path reminds me a lot of The Truth’s, even though TT was doing better at this point.

  • McCreerian

    Having so many reality shows in the mix could really affect sales of albums. By the time an Idol favorite comes out with an album, for example, the fickle mob may have moved onto the Voice or the X-factor. It really is going to be all about what people do after the show they have been on unless they are extremely novel like Jackie Evanco or Susan Boyle.

    Which is why I am glad they are striking while the iron is hot for Scotty and Lauren-this will help them make a fanbase outside of idol, and more non-idol/non-singing competition fans will buy their albums. I am glad Scotty is coming onto his own as an artist and becoming more relevant.

    But even for people like Haley and James, I don’t think the Voice or X-Factor will affect them too bad if they release an album before they X-Factor winner. And the Voice hasn’t seemed to affect Scotty’s and Lauren’s popularity and the show isn’t as popular as idol, so I’m not too worried about that one.

  • jpfan

    Just casually looking at the HAC chart, it appears that Cook’s single has stalled.That’s going to be a big problem for the album. Without a strong single, I not sure what happens to sales after week one (when all the diehards buy).

    Hopefully, they have single#2 in the wings.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Kirsten: Thumbs up to removing the judges from tracking. It’d be one thing if there weren’t other stuff to track but there is so I join your protest

    Remove evil judges. We should have a lot of new idol stuff soon to track.

  • Pam

    Just casually looking at the HAC chart, it appears that Cook’s single has stalled.That’s going to be a big problem for the album. Without a strong single, I not sure what happens to sales after week one (when all the diehards buy).

    Hopefully, they have single#2 in the wings.

    THIS. Also, what I’m really curious to see is the HAC adds come Monday to see if what happened Monday of this week was just a temporary blip or if the trend continues.

  • Eileen99

    THIS. Also, what I’m really curious to see is the HAC adds come Monday to see if what happened Monday of this week was just a temporary blip or if the trend continues.

    I agree. Do you know if any bigger auto-adding stations have started playing the song? Usually those start to play on Wed or Thurs. There are also a few new songs moving up quickly behind TLG so unless the song catches on quickly (which I pretty much doubt at this point), it’s going to fall out of Top 40 in the next week or two.

    I’d move on to the second single if I were RCA.

  • larc

    nvm

  • Kirsten

    I disagree completely. This is tanking, so is Neon Trees’ single…

    [SNIP}
    Sorry, but this song is failing and bar a miracle, it will never become big enough to do its job of promoting the album.

    I’m sorry too, but I have to agree with springboard.

    This single is just going nowhere. I’m pretty certain this is not where RCA wanted it to be just a couple of weeks before the album drops. Cook has gotten a lot of press, released a video and done radio station gigs. None of this seems to have created any real traction (even on some of the stations he did gigs).

    That it has done as well as it has is a testament to Cook. I think the song is just getting lukewarm responses. I really think they need to have him perform a different single during his album drop week. Normally, you have them perform their single to say “You know that song you like on the radio? This is the dude who sings it and he has an album coming out. Buy it!”. But, few people have heard this single.

    Album drop promo shouldn’t be there to move the single, it should be there to move albums. The job of the single is also to move the albums. This single does not appear to be doing its job.

    Everybody could be patient and hope for the best, but we had this discussion a few weeks ago. At some point, one has to realize that that dog won’t hunt. What will cause this song to suddenly start supporting album sales? At its current spincrease, it will be 5 weeks before it hits top 30 and 17 weeks before it hits top 20. That’s a long time to wait. Maybe the upcoming promo would be better spent on a new song. Sure, the new song won’t hit top 40 for a while, but if radio likes it better, it might be worth rolling the dice for.

    One caveat though: the HAC looks weird these days. Gaga and Bruno are eating spins. With the exception of Coldplay, every song in the 30-40 range has pretty crappy spincreases. I don’t know if it’s just a whole bunch of meh songs and HAC are waiting for the summer tunes to kick in or if we just need to wait for the spin eaters to calm down.

  • tinawina

    I really think they need to have him perform a different single during his album drop week.

    But do you think they’ll really switch? The thing is, I feel like its doing just as you said, this:

    One caveat though: the HAC looks weird these days. Gaga and Bruno are eating spins. With the exception of Coldplay, every song in the 30-40 range has pretty crappy spincreases. I don’t know if it’s just a whole bunch of meh songs and HAC are waiting for the summer tunes to kick in or if we just need to wait for the spin eaters to calm down.

    I prefer they switch songs, but I really do think that it could be doing just enough for RCA to say “let’s wait a little while longer”. Again. The problem is it won’t outright tank (or take off). If it would just start sliding backwards it could remove all doubt.

    I like the song but I feel like more stations would be upping the spins if it were getting good feedback, logjam or no. There seem to be other decent options to choose from, so I would rather just try something else.

  • Pam

    Do you know if any bigger auto-adding stations have started playing the song? Usually those start to play on Wed or Thurs.

    I had to scroll back on the addboard to the week of 6/1 so that I could see the complete HAC add history. The largest markets are:

    New York #1
    San Francisco #4
    Houston #6
    D.C. #9
    Seattle #13
    San Diego #17
    Denver #19

    The Mediabase chart shown on All Access is of course abbreviated and to see the full chart you need a Mediabase account. Here is a snap shot. This is from the abbreviated HAC format leaders panel. I didn’t want this to look messy so this was the best I could do.

    Station/Market/Format/Spins (TW LW)/Move/ovn/am/pm/mid/eve/Aud

    KLTG-FM/Corpus Christi/Hot AC/41 39/2/20/0/5/7/9/0.019
    KPLZ-FM/Seattle/Hot AC/21 19/2/7/1/4/3/6/0.172
    WIAD-FM/Washington, DC/Hot AC/21 16/5/5/2/3/5/6/0.169
    WMMX-FM/Dayton/Hot AC/16 14/2/7/0/2/4/3/0.045
    KCDU-FM/ Monterey-Salinas/Hot AC/16 20/-4/5/0/4/25/0.018
    KCIX-FM/Boise, ID/Hot AC/16 14/2/7/0/2/0/7/0.011
    KOSO-FM/Modesto, CA/Hot AC/15 10/5/5/0/3/3/4/0.006
    WAJI-FM/Ft. Wayne, IN/Hot AC/15 18/-3/8/2/1/1/3/0.022
    KEZR-FM/San Jose/Hot AC/15 13/2/7/0/0/0/8/0.037
    WJLK-FM/Monmouth-Ocean/Hot AC/15 19/-4/5/0/3/3/0.042
    KMYI-FM/San Diego/Hot AC 14 15/-1/7/0/0/0/7/0.034
    WNIC-FM/ Detroit/Hot AC/13 10/3/6/0/0/0/7/0.114
    KMXB-FM/Las Vegas/Hot AC/13 15/-2/3/2/0/1/7/0.042
    WPTE-FM/Norfolk/Hot AC/13 2/11/11/0/1/1/0/0.019
    WPLJ-FM/New York/Hot AC/12 14/-2/6/0/1/0/5/0.147
    KWYE-FM/Fresno/Hot AC/12 7/5/3/1/0/0/8/0.013
    KUCD-FM/Honolulu/Hot AC/11 10/1/11/0/0/0/0/0.003
    KSCF-FM/San Diego/Hot AC/11 11/0/6/0/0/1/4/0.031
    WRVE-FM/Albany, NY/Hot AC/11 2/9/2/2/1/4/2/0.044
    KALZ-FM/Fresno/Hot AC/10 10/0/6/0/0/0/4/0.006

  • cookbunny

    Sorry fellow Cookaloonies, but I agree with Kirsten, et al. Now that we’ve heard the Soundcheck, I think it’s obvious that a) this single was shoehorned into the album by the label, hoping that having the name TEDDER stamped on it would result in a hit, and b) there are at least two songs on the album that would have been BETTER singles (heck in my opinion, all four of the other songs would have been better than TLG). Let’s put Time Marches On or Paper Heart out there and see what happens.

  • Kirsten

    But do you think they’ll really switch?

    I don’t know. With all the changes at Sony, things might be a bit chaotic. When things are chaotic, sometimes, it’s easier to allow other things to just keep drifting along. The single has some forward momentum, so perhaps they don’t feel it needs attention?

    If they are on top of things (i.e. not chaotic), the single switch depends on a couple of things:

    1) Do they believe in the single? Do they think if they give it a bit more juice it will get momentum? What are they hearing from the program directors? If they think the album drop will turn the tide and they will get mega-traction, they may just wait. They know that Cook is a dynamic performer and putting him in front of audiences can make things happen. Do they think they have something that might work better?

    2) What do they think about Cook? Are they content selling to his powerful Idol fanbase (augmented with the fans from his first album) or do they think they can break him bigger? Has the time for his genre of rock passed? I think that if they are content with his existing fan base, they won’t bother with a new single until this one is totally dead.

    It’s tough to tell. The fact that his album is dropping is not a reason to not pull an underperforming single. We saw with Adam and Gaga that labels were willing to pull singles right at time of album release. Both decisions seem to have been the right one (we can’t tell for sure unless we can travel to an alternative universe).

    But is TLG underperforming? Externally, I would argue yes, but the label has internal information we do not have.

  • tinawina

    Pam, I’m pretty sure NYC’s WPLJ added the song too. Or am I just imagining that?

    I think it’s obvious that a) this single was shoehorned into the album by the label, hoping that having the name TEDDER stamped on it would result in a hit,

    I think they wanted something uptempo with strong drums since that is seems to be the type of rock will cross over to pop these days (along with Jason Mraz clones LOL), so they picked that song. I’m sure the name Tedder didn’t hurt. Or the “Use Somebody”-esque oh oh ohs.

    I get why they went there so I guess I’m not really angry about it, I just think they should move on when the album promo starts.

    ETA: Thanks for that answer Kirsten. You gave me a lot to think about.

  • Kirsten

    Pam, I’m pretty sure NYC’s WPLJ added the song too. Or am I just imagining that?

    WPLJ is in Pam’s list. They reduced spins down to 12 this last week (less than twice a day). It looks like they spun it 6 times overnight, 5 times mid and once during pm. WPLJ normally loves Idols.

  • Eileen99

    Pam, sorry I wasn’t more clear. What I meant was, are there new spins showing up from the big stations that add via auto-adds rather than manual adds? If those were going to add next week, they’d be spinning by now (Friday).

    This list should be pretty accurate, but it’s from a TT spreadsheet, so it’s a year old, and some stations do change the way they add, but it should be close. I’m only listing the auto-adding stations that haven’t already added TLG.

    WBMX Boston
    WTMX Chicago
    WKRQ Cincinnati
    WQAL Cleveland
    WDVD Detroit
    KBIG Los Angeles (they added 4 weeks after TT add date)
    KSTP Minneapolis
    KRSK Portland
    KZZO Sacramento
    KJMY Salt Lake
    KIOI San Francisco
    KYKY St. Louis
    WSDD St. Louis
    WMTX Tampa

    These are the stations I’d be watching closely this week. If you don’t see any of these top 35 or so markets spinning the song this week, then there won’t be auto-adds for them next week. Some of these stations are extremely Idol-friendly, and the fact that they haven’t added TLG yet suggests the call-out scores aren’t great. But idk I’m only going from past experience watching HAC stations.

    ETA: The Cumulus block of HAC stations doesn’t usually add until Top 20 or so, and sometimes not even then, so those spins aren’t available that this point for TLG, either.

    All I’m saying is that if you don’t see these big auto-adding markets starting rotating the song into their playlists this week, and the Cumulus block won’t come along yet, then you’re relying on the existing stations to increase their spins. Some of them have been spinning for several weeks now, so how likely they are to all of a sudden increase the spins and/or move the songs to daytime spins is debatable.

  • tinawina

    WPLJ is in Pam’s list.

    I meant it should be one of the “largest markets” listed. Or was that only supposed to be largest auto adding markets?

  • HappyDaisy

    Appreciate all of the analysis of Cook’s single. I’m a little worried now. :(

    However, Kirsten’s point about Adam’s and GaGa’s singles gives me hope.

    Kirsten: We saw with Adam and Gaga that labels were willing to pull singles right at time of album release. Both decisions seem to have been the right one (we can’t tell for sure unless we can travel to an alternative universe).

    Paper Heart anyone? :)

  • iani

    It’s really frustrating for me, like 2 months ago I said something like “there are 10 weeks to come with some single strategies in case something is not good with the way TLG is doing on mediabase, itunes…RCA has had some experiences already with Adam’s and Lee’s singles and I thought maybe the 10 weeks were taken like a safety period and come quickly with a new one if something is wrong with the first single”.
    It’s about guts , take it, get the first impression, take another 3 weeks period to “feel”it, move on. They saw did nothing with AI performance, on Itune has been nowhere after the first week, on mediabase pretty lost, getting lukewarm responses even from his fans and after all they still have checked it with the stethoscope if is still breathing and save something. So, he has 0 buzz in music industry right now with some few exceptions and they try to save the record in the last week and please some of his fans with how well RCA has worked for him. Even though I get the thrown tomatoes again, I am not in the category of being pleased at all, I’ve said it at least 3x with my broken English and they can check me too till my last breath, I don’t change my thought. DC’s career got lost when album dropped from Billboard 200 and nothing was done farther to sustain the new artist’s future career and continue to support AI success. Why? Because he brought enough money and sealed the deal! Next?! One and a half year of 0 buzz, no more singles because cost and they are already pleased and now we’ll see if luck is working and a good “regular promotion” for a labeled artist is doing some buzz to sell the album. It’s like a flower(plant), if you put some water in its pot it might survive without special treatments to have the most beautiful plant, so, I’m talking about some money saved and invested between albums in a new artist that demonstrated he had some success and they want more from him in today’s climate of music. Sure, for free if it’s possible, wasn’t he the successful winner of AI? Well, with GaGa, Perry, Kesha, Mars in business, people like to buy their easy, dancey music, hope some will give a try to his music too, they would not loose the 12-15$ for some deeper musical messages.

  • Pam

    sorry I wasn’t more clear. What I meant was, are there new spins showing up from the big stations that add via auto-adds rather than manual adds? If those were going to add next week, they’d be spinning by now (Friday).

    Yikes! Sorry about that. I think Kirsten and a few others might be more equipped to answer that question. I did go back and add PLJ to that short list with the station rankings. I realized I had goofed up there.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Thing is, iani, if there is to be a replacement single, it was always likely to occur concurrently with the album launch, to maximize buzz, as there simply isn’t much chart progress even a very strong HAC single can make in three or four weeks.

    Kirsten is also absolutely correct that we don’t know what RCA is seeing as internal data and that the HAC chart is acting a little weird. I won’t claim to be thrilled with TLG’s chart progress — I’m cautious and data-driven, but I’m not completely insane, and there’s no way RCA intended the single to be at this chart position at album launch — but I’m not surprised that it hasn’t been swapped out yet.

  • tinawina

    iani, really, I just don’t think its time to panic yet. If they need to change songs they will. They know stuff we don’t. In the meantime, he has some nice album promo lined up. It would be more effective with a charting single but he has a shot to do decently anyway. All we can do is wait and see. Just relax and go along for the ride!

    I’m already happy because I think I’m going to like the album. That’s a big deal to me. I pre-ordered that thing, I’d be pissed if I hated it. LOL

  • girlygirl

    Not only is TLG stalled on the radio chart, it isn’t selling. It’s not in the iTunes overall Top 1000 — and it is #712 on the iTunes POP chart.

    Last I saw, I think it had sold something like 40K since it was released? Somehow, I doubt RCA would be happy with these kind of numbers. There are several songs on the album that have the potential to do well in terms of sales and chart performance, and that are more likely to give the album a boost than TLG. So hopefully they are at least thinking about releasing a 2nd single pretty soon.

  • HappyDaisy

    tinawina: In the meantime, he has some nice album promo lined up.

    Today show, Regis & Kelly, and Lopez Tonight. Plus the New York City album release day stuff.

  • Trina

    I’ve been quiet and I’m still not going to get into a big thing about how frustrating TLG’s performance but well yeah its not the best thing to watch when the album drop is right around the corner. If anyone wants to be optimistic thats fine, but did anyone honestly expect this kind of performance by this point? I gave RCA tons of credit for allowing so much time for airplay to build and IMO they have done a decent job but obviously something is off. And like girlygirl said, the song is not selling, pre-orders arent good. I’m not going to believe the song being tied in with pre-orders or the video being given free through iTunes is the reason for that YMMV.

    The TV promo is OK. Today Show is good, R&K is a staple, but Lopez Tonight? Are the ratings that great for that? When RCA sent out that email saying he was going to be ALL over TV I was like “oh wheres the rest of the schedule?”

  • soverymel

    iani, really, I just don’t think its time to panic yet. If they need to change songs they will. They know stuff we don’t. In the meantime, he has some nice album promo lined up.

    I agree, HAC moves so slowly as a chart it’s hard to be sure if something is stalling or if it’s just on par with the rest of the songs. But I think there’s a chance that performing TLG during the upcoming album promo could give it a good kick.

  • sma11ie

    Lopez Tonight typically posts better ratings for the 18-34 demographic than Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, David Letterman, and a list of other late-night talk shows.

    REALLY?! Wow. I had no idea. I wonder if it’s because of the Conan lead-in. Why can’t David get Conan if he’s going basic cable… sigh. Conan and Jimmy Fallon are my faves. ETA: Weird. Looks like eilonwy’s comment was deleted? ETA2: Got it. Still, cool that the old timeslot ratings were good.

    I’m actually SUPER worried about TLG, but I haven’t felt much like analyzing it these past few days because I’ve been on such a high with all the new stuff. Circadian has taken over TMO as my new jam. I’m so looking forward to the album.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    sma11lie, I actually read too fast and got the Lopez Tonight ratings wrong — that was before it moved to its current time slot, for which I haven’t yet found accurate numbers. I’m sorry! I hate it when I do that…

    *whispers* more coffee, please!

  • tinawina

    The TV promo is OK. Today Show is good, R&K is a staple, but Lopez Tonight? Are the ratings that great for that? When RCA sent out that email saying he was going to be ALL over TV I was like “oh wheres the rest of the schedule?”

    I’m guessing we don’t know all of the TV stuff yet… these things tend to come out in dribs and drabs.

    I also want to see what they do with promoting the album stream (and other internet promo in general) and what kind of media he gets. If what has happened up until now is any indication, we should see some real effort put into the final 2 weeks of promo. His Walmart Soundcheck will also get played in the stores, right?

    Anyway, The Amazon pre-orders have stayed pretty steady – then jumped when the Walmart thing appeared, so we’ll see what happens from there. I don’t think he’s going to open with 200K or something crazy but then again I never thought that. I said from the beginning I’d be happy with anything over 50K and I meant it.

    But that’s me. I think he could still do okay, so I’d rather just wait and see what happens.

  • HappyDaisy

    “‘Lopez’ in limbo for third season; Turner taking time on call as yakker’s ratings have slipped”

    But after a brief increase in late 2010, [Lopez] “Tonight” is dropping across key demos. In total viewers it’s dipped from an average of 810,000 in the final quarter of last year to 544,000 in the second quarter of this year to date.

    http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118037562?refCatId=14

    ETA: Conan’s at about 1 million. Get Cook on Conan’s show.

  • iani

    Sure, eilonwy, they try to save the album in the last minute, no doubt about it. I’ve lost part of my post somehow and I don’t write it again.
    The idea is, how my grandpas would have said these words, coming from good or bad experiences: “Pound the horseshoe as the iron is hot(incandescent)”, otherwise you pound it with no results and RCA misses the momentum with DC’s opportunities.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    Sure, eilonwy, they try to save the album in the last minute, no doubt about it.

    That’s not what I’m saying, though. I’m saying that the natural and normal point to swap an HAC single is close to the album drop because that’s a point at which PR clusters, whereas it would difficult to generate fresh PR for a different single beyond the amount that TLG is already getting. Much of this roll-out was planned in advance and doesn’t necessarily provide room for a separate single launch at some point prior to the album launch.

  • sma11ie

    I said from the beginning I’d be happy with anything over 50K and I meant it.

    I said something similar and meant it as well, but we still need his single(s) to do better than TLG has been to sustain any kind of subsequent sales beyond opening week. So TLG worries me a LOT. But right now I’m so excited and distracted by the WHOLE album dropping soon that I can’t spare any attention to angsting about the single yet– even though part of me wants to, lol. But yeah… we’ll see!

  • HappyDaisy

    Just don’t want to see what happened to another prominent Idol happen to Cook. Yes, the circumstances were different in important ways, but there are some emerging similarities in the pattern, and the outcome was fast and painful.
    Just talking out loud and managing my own expectations.

    Regardless, excited for Monday and June 28!

  • iani

    Sorry for misinterpretation, eilonwy! They are coming with a cluster of TV appearances of what?! With a single that in 10 weeks got 10% love?! Are there some news they have a new single ready for official adds and already tested for(by) radio, or this is coming after July 15th, 2 -3 weeks of testing or whatever they are doing till put it on rotation?! The single is the audio promotion of the album, what the Today show gives us, one song and snippets of one or two more.

  • saga

    Is it possible to add wwfm stats to the spreadsheet? Would be interesting to see..

  • tinawina

    I said something similar and meant it as well, but we still need his single(s) to do better than TLG has been to sustain any kind of subsequent sales beyond opening week.

    I totally agree with that. After the first 2 weeks the album is out, something needs to be doing well (or on it’s way to doing well) on the radio. No arguments here.

  • Elliegrll

    I totally agree with that. After the first 2 weeks the album is out, something needs to be doing well (or on it’s way to doing well) on the radio. No arguments here.

    In this case, RCA might as well stick with TLG, since it’s going to take more than a month for a new single to gain any type of traction on HAC.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    sma11ie OT:

    Regarding Conan, I was never a fan but I was impressed by this commencement speech that he gave to the graduating class at Dartmouth this year.

    http://www.dartmouth.edu/~commence/speeches/2011/obrien-speech.html

    It’s definitely worth a listen. Funny and touching. He’s a classy guy.

  • CindyM

    RCA has had some experiences already with Adam’s and Lee’s singles and I thought maybe the 10 weeks were taken like a safety period and come quickly with a new one if something is wrong with the first single”.

    I don’t think you can compare Adams FYE to TLG only cuz of the timing. They didn’t even premiere FYE until 3 1/2 weeks before the album date and they switched to WWFM after only 2 1/2 weeks.

    With Lee’s single, I think it was actually doing better than TLG at this point.

    I agree that the hac chart is a bit strange, but the fact that TLG got passed by Hot Chelle Rae and the Band Perry isn’t a good sign.

  • soverymel

    Just don’t want to see what happened to another prominent Idol happen to Cook. Yes, the circumstances were different in important ways, but there are some emerging similarities in the pattern, and the outcome was fast and painful.

    Am I dense for not seeing emerging similarities to someone? Any chance you could clue me in LOL.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    I listened through Cook’s Walmart soundcheck twice and I have to admit that I’m not crazy about any of the five songs performed. However, RCA’s single selection seems reasonable to me – TLG was the best single candidate IMO. The fact that is not doing anything on the radio is not a good sign.

  • Tess

    I’ve heard and felt the concern over Cookie’s current single and his upcoming album…and based on the debacle that came with Archie’s release I am sure the tension is pretty high. Since I’m not an invested fan I want to throw something out for speculation that may or maynot have any merit.

    The AI fandom has seen fit to crown 3 consecutive winners during seasons 7,8 and 9 who, though their music and influences are different, are essentially the WGuysWGuitars marketed to HAC that has been bandied about with some disdain by many inside and outside of the bubble. And, irregardless of the merits of any of the three, are they being treated (however unfairly) by radio, by AI supporters and by the non-AI public as though each were an extension of the other. Are the “similarities” such that the general public perceives them as being three sides of the same coin…hence they are no longer individuals but a trifecta to be dealt with as one winner for the race. And since, since David’s debut, the sales and the radio play has decreased substantially is David now being anticipated as just another idol winner that is to familiar and hence not interesting enough to support.

    I don’t know if my out-there theory has any merit…but it is very interesting that someone who, 24 months ago, could do no wrong is now having, it seems, a difficult time getting the ball rolling.

  • askew3

    Thanks for adding The Voice contestants. I don’t care about the judges on Idol or The Voice.

    I am surprised by how long Dia has hung out in the top 30 of iTunes and that she is ahead of Javier already. I didn’t expect him to start dropping that quickly.

  • Pam

    ILYTB now has it’s first monitored country add going into next week:

    WKHX-FM Atlanta #7

    Getting back to TLG: What really concerned me about the debut on AI was the fact the song had been sent to radio only two days prior to that performance. I kind of felt like RCA was putting all their eggs in one basket and putting too much emphasis in that performance, and because it was David, it seemed to be that they expected it to really take off and in my mind, I thought it was a very unwise decision but on the other hand, I realize he had the boot song to perform on top 2 night in a matter of weeks so what do you do?

  • iani

    iani, really, I just don’t think its time to panic yet. If they need to change songs they will.

    Sorry, I didn’t see your post tinawina. It’s OK, I don’t panic, in 2 weeks I go back to another kind of cheapy music, but there is nothing to talk about, lol. And I didn’t want to make any comparative situations with other RCA released singles, hate “to look in others gardens” but sometimes I need to in order to trace an idea somehow. I was thinking about switching songs in short time, it has happened to Adam in 2-3 weeks and Lee switched days before album release date. I would like to see many people hear and like DC music, that’s all!

    ETA:“I think Cook’s album sales will depend on how good the album is and whether it finds its audience: in the long term or in the short term, it makes no difference.”

    True! And how, through the TLG promo for it?! It is now the unloved single to go with for the record’s promotion. AI, Ellen performances didn’t work well for sale, some DJs say they are looking how the song sells to add it on radio. More promo for something is not working is waste of money. They don’t spend money between albums for a new single, even though is not on top 200 albums to keep the artist up for radio ears and now they have an album with no single for ears than some 434 spins and maybe need more money to promote it.

  • fadetowhite

    I think Cook’s album sales will depend on how good the album is and whether it finds its audience: in the long term or in the short term, it makes no difference.

    Not everyone will like it, even if it is great, because not everyone likes the same music.

    TLG certainly isn’t setting anything on fire, but I wouldn’t sink the whole album based on the performance of one single.

    We’ll just have to wait and see – and enjoy the music if it is in our bag, however much it sells. Can’t control or influence anything else…

    ETA: Tess – what you said is probably true within the Idol bubble. To my mind there’s only one answer to that: to make music that bursts through the bubble and creates a different perspective.

    Now, admittedly, I’m a huge fan of Cook’s pre-Idol music and what I’ve heard of the new album so far seems to plug right back into that, but in a more polished and sophisticated fashion, so I am very happy musically speaking.

    Whether that is enough to take him to a different level where all that WGWG, Idol star blah blah blah stuff doesn’t matter, I just don’t know.

    Hope so – but there’s no such thing as a sure thing.

  • Elliegrll

    I listened through Cook’s Walmart soundcheck twice and I have to admit that I’m not crazy about any of the five songs performed. However, RCA’s single selection seems reasonable to me – TLG was the best single candidate IMO. The fact that is not doing anything on the radio is not a good sign.

    I’ve heard this from some other people too. Other songs on the album are better than TLG, but TLG is the most HAC and maybe pop friendly. That’s not exactly a surprise.

  • Elliegrll

    Tess, Kris’ first single went top ten on Pop, which made him the only male idol winner, and the only person from season 8, to achieve that feat. Top ten on three different charts, which made him the first person from Idol to achieve that feat with his debut single, and the song has sold over 1.6 million copies. So, I think the so called WGWG crap means about as much in the real world as PDs saying that they weren’t going to play Scotty’s single. If the song is promoted well, and people want to hear it, it will get played.

    David doesn’t have the type of name recognition and buzz that many of his hardcore fans think he has, so he’s not going to get his song added or played at the rate of someone like Gaga, Britney Spears, or even Jennifer Hudson and Fantasia. He’s going to be treated like a new artist, but that doesn’t have anything to do with being a WGWG. I think the only place where AI will come into play is that people aren’t going to play or buy his song just because he was on the show.

  • sma11ie

    David doesn’t have the type of name recognition and buzz that many of his hardcore fans think he has, so he’s not going to get his song added or played at the rate of someone like Gaga, Britney Spears, or even Jennifer Hudson and Fantasia.

    David doesn’t have the above-mentioned artists’ name recognition, sure, but he had three consecutive singles go top 10 on HAC, a feat only two other solo male artists had accomplished before… and his three songs still get decent recurrent play. The fact that HAC hasn’t been adding/spinning TLG isn’t because these stations have no idea who he is. It’s something else (the song…?).

    I was impressed by this commencement speech that he gave to the graduating class at Dartmouth this year.

    I always enjoyed him, but his commencement speech at Harvard from 2000 was one of the main reasons why I became a huge fan. His classy exit speech for the Tonight show confirmed his intelligence, humor, and heart.

  • Garnetstar

    It makes sense that they chose TLG as the single. We heard from Broken Record Magazine, who had a stream of the album sent to them, that the rest of the CD is made up of midtempo tunes and ballads. Midtempo’s are few and far between on radio and Ballads are not going anywhere. I’ve been extremely vocally frustrated to see radio lock out David on his home format. His previous hits did not give him a free pass to the Top 20 like Kelly Clarkson, Rob Thomas or Daughtry. It really is “what have you done for me lately”.

    This is definitely a first world problem. I don’t know David and life will go on if he doesn’t end up doing well.

  • Elliegrll

    The fact that HAC hasn’t been adding/spinning TLG isn’t because these stations have no idea who he is.

    That’s not what I was saying. I was referring to Tess’ post, and pointing out that David isn’t at a place, yet, where his songs are going to be played or added just based on his name recognition or reputation. But, that being said, I do think that just like pop stations, HAC stations put a lot of emphasis on how much mainstream exposure and buzz that someone has, so that will influence how fast David’s songs go up the chart.

  • fadetowhite

    David doesn’t have the type of name recognition and buzz that many of his hardcore fans think he has, so he’s not going to get his song added or played at the rate of someone like Gaga, Britney Spears, or even Jennifer Hudson and Fantasia.

    Reading around, I wouldn’t say that ‘many’ of Cook’s fans think he’s got that level of buzz at all: in fact I’d say it’s a very small minority.

    Like I said above – at this stage, I think buzz will be much more slowly built, if at all, on the back of the reception of the album itself. Why? Because, as Cook himself has now said – he’s an album artist, not a single artist. It’s not that fashionable at the moment (but as I tend to agree with him that a great album far far outweighs a transitory hit single, I’m quite happy with that).

    And, in itself, that whole scenario is dependant on a myriad of things: good critical reception; slowly spreading word; slowly building sales, based on slowly building word; little breakthroughs in awareness. And even with all of this (in the best of outcomes), we could still end up with an album that only does well within its niche and is not a high seller.

    Personally, I’m not hedging my bets on a huge selling single: I don’t think he writes the kind of song that catches fire in that way…unless it happens by chance, in which case – great!

    I hope that the album is well received – but if it isn’t, it isn’t. If I like it as much as I currently expect to, I’ll just have to hang about and see what happens next and trust that I can still invest my cash in the man’s career.

    I’m sure there will be plenty of other hard core fans doing the same thing, because contrary to what seems to be popular belief within the AI bubble a) plenty of us are real fans of the man’s music and b) alot of us are fairly realistic about where Cook stands vis a vis public awareness of him as a musician and the (alas) all important buzzometer of public recognition, based on level of celebrity.

    ETA: I’m still beyond pleased at the level of support and investment RCA is giving to the album, whatever has happened with TLG. I may be wrong, but it seems that they truely believe in the album’s potential. It still doesn’t mean that it will be a success, but it’s good to see that intial faith in the product.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    DCO’s putting up the MTV Behind the Scenes of TLG interview reminded me… it generally looks to me as if RCA may have tied a good bit of pre-launch mass media promo to this specific single (which is a logical thing to do).

    Switching singles right now would throw away those opportunities to promote the album. Since these placements are planned in advance, there’d be no time to come up with something equivalent for a different song.

  • iani

    “Switching singles right now would throw away those opportunities to promote the album.”

    Zero impact to switch now, not a lost cause maybe it would have done a month ago. And the single is not so bad, not more than some from top 40 HAC. Maybe the format has changed since CBTM and the new song is too rockish and less catchy than what is on radio today, more folscky, country, reggae songs I was talking about few days ago. One song I have in my mind, ” You make we wanna say
    I do, I do, I do, do do do do do do doo
    Yeah, I do, I do, I do, do do do do do do doo” top 18 HAC, on market since December with an album release date fixed for July. Maybe the message is not right, females buy music more than men, nobody wants a breake up over the radio, lol.

    Back to thoughts, RCA had to be more aware about the AI popularity impact when DA had his album out last year, more questions about how much popularity was left from almost equal popular contenders and almost the same kind of DA album for second one. I know, no comparison here except to raise some questions and think more about today’s market outside AI where there are lots of successful pop stars to invest in(as a buyer).

    “that whole scenario is dependent on a myriad of things: good critical reception; slowly spreading word; slowly building sales, based on slowly building word; little breakthroughs in awareness.”

    Hopefully good reviews are coming before album’s launch and have a good impact for sale. When there is a first week sale and 65% off for next week and a RCA-rule of no more single from an album out of top 200, slow building is good but in a safer status. I’m done with my RCA “long-term career” strategy frustration and waiting for the record!

  • sr4mjc

    I think RCA’s done a great job of promo. Free video download, AI, Ellen, more tv perfs to come. Lots of radio station promo. I just think it’s the song and honestly I don’t think David sells it well live. The acoustic snippet sounds more comfortable for him. Now we just have to see if they switch it to Paper Heart or something else in the next few weeks.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    It seems to me that David has had some pretty good promotion so far.

    Re: Conan:

    I always enjoyed him, but his commencement speech at Harvard from 2000 was one of the main reasons why I became a huge fan. His classy exit speech for the Tonight show confirmed his intelligence, humor, and heart.

    Thanks for that link, sma11ie. Another great speech, much in the same vein as the one he just gave at Dartmouth. I also agree with you about Conan’s exit speech. The guy has character and substance.

  • tinawina

    Wow, there’s a lot of posts since I was here last.

    Well, I’m probably too late for anyone to ever see it, but I will say:

    1. HAC radio definitely knows who he is. You don’t get that many top 20 stations to add a song before it even gets T40, nor do you get that many top stations to host concerts and give prime interview spots to acts they think their listeners don’t want to hear, payola or no payola.

    2. He’s gotten great promo so far. RCA and 19 believe in the project.

    3. All this will either work or it won’t. There really is no way to tell IMO. Shit happens.

    4. No matter what happens, the world will still spin on its axis. LOL. Especially if I like the album. My enjoyment is all that matters here. :D

    That is all. :D

  • nspiredbycook

    tinawina~I agree and love your whole post. That.is.all!

  • tierbee

    4. No matter what happens, the world will still spin on its axis. LOL. Especially if I like the album. My enjoyment is all that matters here.

    Haha, that’s about it. If *I* like it, everything else is a lot less angsty and important. I can sit in the ol’ bunker, have some wine, and swim in the music :)

  • karenc

    I know that TLG isn’t racing up the charts, but it has been slowly and steadily climbing the charts. With the album, video and promo coming up there is still a possibily that it will climb. I doubt if another single would be released now anyway.

    If the album sells well anyway, maybe this won’t seem as important.

    And if part of the problem is that radio is less likely to play rock at this time, it will be harder and take longer for a rock song to really break through. I don’t think an artist should have to change the type of music they are doing just to have a hit, like changing from rock to a more rythmic type.

  • sma11ie

    I just think it’s the song and honestly I don’t think David sells it well live. The acoustic snippet sounds more comfortable for him.

    To be fair, he didn’t sell it well live in all of ONE live performance IMO. It was just unfortunate that it was the first and most important Idol debut. Every subsequent performance I’ve seen of TLG has been pretty fun and tuneful (which, unfortunately, was not so much the case on Idol, again, IMO). There hasn’t been many plugged-in, full band TLG promo performances yet- he’s been pretty much concentrating on acoustic radio promo so far-but it looks like RCA is committed to TLG, so we’ll see a lot of live perfomances of TLG soon when he does the drop-week TV promo.

  • sr4mjc

    smallie, i think was more referring to the plugged-in ones with the band, AI and Ellen, where the performances were just off and a little flat. Flat in sound and energy. the radio promos have been much better. Unfortunately, the televised ones are the biggies for selling. Hopefully they’ll fix whatever the issue is in the upcoming promo, practice makes perfect.

  • karenc

    Smallie:

    I kind of agree with you there, though even on Idol, the judges and audience seemed impressed with him and the song. I saw him and Neal perform TLG at one of the acoustic shows, and thought it was terrific.

    Right now it’s #38 on the charts with little promo. The video just came out, and debuted at #17 on the VH1 countdown, which I think is wonderful. If the video is successful, it could help drive both single and album sales. If they were to switch the single right now, they would lose any momentum they now have, since that is the single being promoted, and it is on the charts.

    If they released another single right now, there’s a possibly that it could do better, but there is also a possibility that it could do worse, and that would be the worst thing. And it’s not that I don’t like the other songs on the album, I love everything I heard from it so far, and think it’s going to be an amazing album. But as far as charting is concerned, it might not fit as well with what is currently considered pop or even HAC music. Which doesn’t mean it won’t do well, but if it does, it would have a longer climb than an album that is what is currently the type of music that is doing well on the charts. It’s a bit of an uphill battle.

    And personally, I much prefer what I’ve heard from TLM to just about anything else on the radio.

  • springboard

    Is it possible to add wwfm stats to the spreadsheet? Would be interesting to see..

    I have added it.
    https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonyBprQsNSGdDhBNW5fMHJYMlV3bGR5RU9uR0hLZkE&hl=en_US&authkey=COvFgNYL

    You can see that it had a slow start and only started to shoot up after 2 1/2 months.
    But, during the time it was stagnating on HAC, it was climbing on POP fast. Also I don’t know whether it ever had an adds date, I have never seen one, and I randomly used the date of the first add.

    I haven’t added Adele’s RITD because too many songs would make the chart unreadable), and it started in the similar way on HAC, but it was smashing on AAA at the same time.

  • karenc

    Springboard:

    Wouldn’t chart placement on HAC be a better measurment of success of the single than spins? Because total # of spins could change from week to week, or year to year, but the chart placement would account for that, especially if you are comparing it to songs from different periods of time.

    Even so, I don’t think it’s that far from WWFM. And RITD is a good example of a song that is not necessarily what is in pop at the moment becoming a big hit, but it just takes longer. I just looked at the Billboard charts, and it actually first appeared on the Adult pop charts and Hot 100 last December, so it took 6 months for it to get to #1. And it first appeared on the Billboard charts around December 2010 at around #39.

    And I’m not saying this is going to happen with TLG, but as long as it continues to climb there’s a possibility it might, since it appears RCA is still promoting it.

  • springboard

    Karenc, HAC was not the primary format for WWFM and RITD, they were both pushed elsewhere first. RITD was # 3 on AAA in January, while it was still #30 on HAC.
    HAC is TLG one and only format, and it has been pushed on it. The likelihood of it becoming a HAC hit it pretty slim now.

  • mmb

    I dont think that RITD or WWFM are great comparisons for TLG because each of those songs were initially promoted to other formats. RITD went no 1 at triple A relatively quickly. And WWFM, as mentioned above, was, at first, being promoted principally at pop. In the case of TLG it is only being promoted at hac ( with the exception of 2 big hac leaning ac stations) and it is being heavily promoted there. David has had 3 hac hits- he is hardly unknown to that format. It just seems clear that the song is not getting a great response. I don’t expect any pre cd drop changes, but I do think we will see a new single relatively soon. ( again this is not a knock on Dave – I’m a huge fan. Sometimes singles just don’t work. Doesn’t mean the cd won’t be a hit or the next single won’t be a smash.)

  • Kirsten

    But, during the time it was stagnating on HAC, it was climbing on POP fast. Also I don’t know whether it ever had an adds date, I have never seen one, and I randomly used the date of the first add.

    It was sent for adds on pop on Nov 24, 2009. The add announcement showed up in the middle of the day that day. That’s when we knew for sure that FYE was dead as a single (though speculation had been raging for over a week). I don’t recall it getting an official add date on HAC, but it might have had one. Often, if a song gets a Pop add date as its primary add, it doesn’t get an official HAC one but drifts over there.

    The important difference between WWFM and TLB first couple of months though is Christmas. HAC gets hit harder by Christmas than Pop so that would likely account for how WWFM grew so quickly on Pop while taking a slower route on HAC.

  • springboard

    Thank you for the adds date, Kirsten, I’ll adjust my charts.