American Idols Live Tour: Chicago Date Change, Cleveland Canceled

UPDATE: Cleveland officially canceled according to USA Today. It’s not looking good for the other dates–Omaha, Buffalo and Kansas City that are listed at Ticketmaster as no longer available.

The American Idols Live tour schedule continues to undergo changes.

Lee DeWyze tweeted the news–his hometown Chicago show has been moved up from 8/30 to 8/28.

Yesterday, it was announced that the concert in Bridgeport, Connecticut was moved from September 13 to July 9.

Also this is second hand, so still a rumor: A fan reports via twitter that  Siobhan Magnus told her Live Nation canceled “a bunch of shows and rescheduled some.”  Reportedly, it’s about 7 or 8 shows, due to poor ticket sales. According to the fan, Siobhan was not sure which dates were affected.

So far, only the Bridgeport date change is reflected at Live Nation.
However, while the Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City and Omaha shows are still listed, they come up as “no longer available” if you try to buy tickets.

Looks like there could be some major re-shuffling going on.

  • karenc

    If it’s true, I wonder when the rest are going to be announced. I’m supposed to go to Mohegan Sun, and I hope that one’s ok.

    It does look like they sold a lot of tickets for that one, though, because the tickets that seem to be availiable are only on the upper level now.

  • ggdoorsfan

    i’m waiting for the other shoe to drop… the one where they call the whole darn thing off. this is not looking good at all, and it’s sad to see, of all things, the summer tour go down the tubes. i was of the mind that in spite of the smaller venues they had booked for this season, it would be pretty much bulletproof… i guess not.

  • kadoatie07

    This is not good! Not good at all…

  • cary

    Sounds like major schedule changes. Gotta feel bad for the idols. In the past the tour seems like it was a real high point of the idol experience and this has to be a downer.

  • karenc

    Yeah, I know a lot of former idols that have been at the tour really said they learned a lot about performing, because they gave them more direction than they did on the show. And I think that it helps the ones that don’t have contracts show what they can do. Hopefully there will be few, if any cancellations.

  • bridget

    There hasn’t been a professional, published review (versus recap, altho many times they’re better)yet, has there? Or has there been and I just missed it?

  • ggdoorsfan

    the tour looks like it has absorbed the general apathy and lack of engagement many in the idol viewing audience felt throughout the season about the show – and many contestants. there is sure to be a whole heap of spin and bs from 19e and tptb to deflect away from the core cause for this poor idol touring season. i’ve been through 9 seasons of watching the buildup to the tours – the general excitement fans had after the show to attend it, to see their faves, and to be willing to sit through the performances of the other contestants drove a lot of the enthusiasm, and ticket sales. i remember going in s7. i was there to see david a, but i really enjoyed everyone else’s set too… what i had seen of them on the show gave me assurance that watching them live would be worth the money, and entertaining as well…

  • http://www.dallascowboys.com GeminiDolly

    No big surprise. This group just lacked charisma and talent.t Aside from the top 3 and maybe Siobahn, the others are not worth it.

  • bean99

    I honestly don’t think that this group is any less talented than previous ones. I like them a lot and definitely more than last season’s idols (other than Anoop, Allison, & Danny). I’ve only gone twice before and the last time was s7. So much depends on the f2 and I didn’t like them in s8. I hope the sales pick up. I know I’ve mostly given up going to concerts because of the expense and lack of good sound quality. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

  • J9BT

    I think it’s ridiculous that notice hasn’t gone out immediately. Obviously the decisions have been made since IDOLs are tweeting/mentioning it in line.

    What’s even more sad is towns that are home for the IDOLs are changing – Chicago for Lee & CT for Katie.

    I know many tours have been cancelled or changed this summer, so I don’t necessarily think it’s all due to the lack of charisma of the Top 10 this year. I do think the prices are high given the economy. I just booked a last minute vacation to Niagara Falls and was going to see about attending Monday’s show in Hamilton, ON and the tickets on the lower tier (not even floor) are well over $100 – in Canadian dollars which makes it slightly worse for US. For that price I won’t go.

  • Jehan Julio

    ok, 7 or 8 shows it’s not a so big deal, cuz if we have 50 shows, its only about 20% of the shows, its not so much. I really think the changes on the dates is a real problem, cuz may some people could not attend the new date. i don’t blame the season or any idol, because i really enjoy this season, much more than last season and they are doing an awesome job on the tour.

  • Cari

    bridget:
    07/03/2010 at 4:51 pm
    There hasn’t been a professional, published review (versus recap, altho many times they’re better)yet, has there? Or has there been and I just missed it?

    I don’t know if this counts of not, but Billboard.com seemed to like the concert, expecially compared to past Idol tours :

    http://www.billboard.com/#/events/american-idols-live-july-1-2010-auburn-hills-1004102047.story?tag=hpfeed

  • eywflyer

    I don’t think this group is necessarily less talented than previous seasons, although they do seem to be lacking in charisma/buzz. I do think the very bad state of the economy plus the aging of the AI franchise has set up a situation where you need a really compelling storyline to sell tickets. This is the third summer that the US has been in recession. Both 2008 and 2009 had rather compelling storylines IMHO to drive the ticket sales, but I just haven’t seen the storyline/theme for this year. Add in the natural fatigue/apathy that sets in over time as any entertainment franchise becomes older, and you end up where we are now.

  • chessguy99

    The Chicago change is understandable. Not many people want to go into central Chicago on a Monday. Saturday would be much better for attendance. It was idiocy on the part of the promoter to put an Idol’s hometown on a Monday night.

    Quick check at Live Nation show Omaha being unavailable for purchase, this will probably be the cancellation that allows them to move Chicago up.

  • J9BT

    And while the 33-song revue, weighing in at two hours and 50 minutes (with a 20-minute intermission) was both exhaustive and exhausting, thinning out a significant portion of the crowd at the Palace of Auburn Hills in suburban Detroit by the time Season 9 champ Lee DeWyze hit the stage, it did establish that some of this year’s top 10 merit consideration

    This review seems to indicate that many people left for Lee. Is that true?

  • karenc

    What’s even more sad is towns that are home for the IDOLs are changing – Chicago for Lee & CT for Katie.

    Well, at least for Katie, I think she was counting more on the Mohegan Sun show, because it was first, and that’s the one I’ve heard her mention. I think it’s actually closer to where she’s from than Bridgeport is.

  • girlygirl

    There have been a bunch of tours that have been cancelled or cut back this summer, so this isn’t a huge surprise, if it’s true. Live Nation is going to look to try and lose as little money as possible. And no matter what anyone may think about how talented the S9 Top 10 may or may not be, the hard fact is that there is far less buzz about this group then there has been about previous AI seasons.

    Hopefully they won’t end up cancelling the tour entirely, because these kids all need the experience of playing live in front of big crowds and of life on tour in general.

  • SashaB

    Season 9 continues to be managed poorly. They, TPTB, put on a really poor TV production (again, I am not talking about talent) and now this.

    What I don’t understand is why they didn’t book smaller venues from the get-go. PopEater published an article a few weeks ago suggesting that this would happen. Billy Bush commented on it as well.

    This drip, drip of information is not good.

  • Jehan Julio

    the afected buzz seems to be connected with the press and the midia talk over the season, telling people that his season its not great and the idols are not good and we know, some people are really into the midia talk, and now seems like everyone wants to do a conspiracy about this season, and i really don’t understand. This could be happened last season or on S7, but now that is happening this season, people are blaming the idols and forgetting that has so many other facts could be influence over the tour. I’m reallt proud of all of them and i hope this facts not affect their future in music.

  • koshka

    I know many tours have been cancelled or changed this summer, so I don’t necessarily think it’s all due to the lack of charisma of the Top 10 this year.

    Last year there was a down economy too, but the sales held strong. I think the economy is part of it, but in contrast I am confident it is just an over all “lack of” in S9. YMMV

  • chessguy99

    Looks like Cleveland and Buffalo are going be axed. Tickets are “No longer available” according to the Quicken Loans Arena and Tickets.com websites.

  • TwigLA

    Given how much this season was trashed and poor ratings, combined with bad concert sales overall this year, it doesn’t shock me. It’s really a shame. These kids do have talent. The summer tour is a huge part of their income and a ‘lovely parting gift, thank you for playing our game.’

  • SashaB

    What is the conspiracy?

    These 10 contestants are having a hard time selling tickets or bringing bodies through the door. It just looks like the market is not interested. Tickets are not selling, they will cancel some tour dates. Not sure where the conspiracy comes into play.

  • girlygirl

    I don’t see any conspiracy. People just don’t seem as interested/invested in the S9 group as they were in previous years. Doesn’t mean that this group isn’t talented.

    There’s no reason why the media or TPTB wouldn’t want this tour to be successful…

  • koshka

    I don’t know if this counts of not, but Billboard.com seemed to like the concert, expecially compared to past Idol tours :

    http://www.billboard.com/#/events/american-idols-live-july-1-2010-auburn-hills-1004102047.story?tag=hpfeed

    Hmmmm I didn’t quite get that impression. I mostly got the idea that the reviewer thought there were interesting points to it, but neither recommended or condemned it. Where was the mention of past shows? I didn’t see a discussion of it, perhaps it was a different review?

  • chessguy99

    Most venue contracts have exit clauses that allow the promoter to cancel if a certain level of ticket are not sold by a specific date. I’m sure that Friday was the first review date, and these pending cancellations will be the result of the review. The tour promoter makes his money by not committing to shows that don’t look like they’ll make a profit.

  • koshka

    girlygirl I completely agree. A lack of interest doesn’t reflect a lack of talent. They simply may not be as marketable as other talent already out there, or there is an over saturation in a genre.etc.

  • aiken4olivia

    I think the real reason is that this just has been such a horrible season and that there is no need to go to a concert to support since ratings for this season just wasn’t there. Why spend hard earned dollars to see Top 10 that no one really cared about. It’s all about personality and marginally at best, good vocals, which lacked this season. At best, this concert should of been limited to smaller venues and limited dates….there is no HYPE about this season’t tour and ticket prices and sales reflect that.

  • Q3

    Looks to me like the lack of positive buzz for this season and the bad economy just came together in a perfect storm. And canceling and rescheduling the shows won’t help create good buzz.

    In the past the Tour has been one of the highlights of the whole Idol experience for both the finalist and for fans. Not having a successful, far-reaching tour to launch their post-Idol careers will just make it harder for them. It is a shame because a few of them are quite good and deserve a real shot.

    bridget:
    07/03/2010 at 4:51 pm
    There hasn’t been a professional, published review (versus recap, altho many times they’re better)yet, has there? Or has there been and I just missed it?

    There was a review of the Detroit show by Adam Graham of the Detroit Free Press. Here is the link: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100702/OPINION03/7020394/1319/OPINION0371/-Idol–summer-tour-lacks-star-performer [Overall not a great review.]

    I don’t know if this counts of not, but Billboard.com seemed to like the concert, expecially compared to past Idol tours :

    http://www.billboard.com/#/events/american-idols-live-july-1-2010-auburn-hills-1004102047.story?tag=hpfeed

    Doesn’t seem like an enthusiastic review to me…..

    “And while the 33-song revue, weighing in at two hours and 50 minutes (with a 20-minute intermission) was both exhaustive and exhausting, thinning out a significant portion of the crowd at the Palace of Auburn Hills in suburban Detroit by the time Season 9 champ Lee DeWyze hit the stage, it did establish that some of this year’s top 10 merit consideration.”

    “What distinguished this year’s Idols Live! show was a greater willingness to push the proverbial envelope and be bold in song selection.”

    “Doubted as they’ve been, the Idols Live! opener faced down and even belied some of the abundant “Idol” bashing that went on this year.”

    So they liked the song choices compared to prior years but where does it say the reviewer liked the concert? Mostly it is just a description of who sang what.

  • girlygirl

    There were 2 professional interviews from the Milwaukee concert — they are somewhere in that concert thread. But I’m too lazy to go look for them.:)

  • mrgrk

    It seems like the instability all started from the top this year…Paula fired, substitute judges, Simon leaving, Rickey leaving…all those changes and the internal rifts that caused them has got to trickle down to all aspects of the show. While people have focused on the talent and the economy, I bet the tour (while it has its high points)is suffering from the inner AI turmoil.

  • Kitwana

    The cancellations and the rescheduling of the Bridgeport date is starting to make sense. I suspect they may be trying to finish the tour by mid/end of August. This may be good for Lee and Crystal. It will give them more time to work on their albums and maybe release before the really competive month of November. Based on how things have been going for Season 9 contestants, they’ll need all the help they can get for big first week sales!

  • girlygirl

    That Billboard article is really more of a recap than a review. The reporter obviously liked the more daring song choices but didn’t really give much of an opinion on the actual overall performances

  • Q3

    koshka:
    07/03/2010 at 6:02 pm

    girlygirl I completely agree. A lack of interest doesn’t reflect a lack of talent. They simply may not be as marketable as other talent already out there, or there is an over saturation in a genre.etc.

    I think there is both a lack of depth of talent AND a lack of arena-style performers. I really think Crystal is very talented but I would not want to see her in an arena.

    But, as a total group, IMO they are not as talented as the past seasons. Just compare this years finalists to AI5 — AI5 had Taylor Hicks, Kat McPhee, Daughtry, Elliot, Paris Bennett, Kellie Pickler, Ace Young, Bucky Covington, Mandissa and Lisa Tucker.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Doesn’t seem like an enthusiastic review to me…..

    Let’s avoid the “reviewers liked the season of MY favorite more than the season of YOURS” fanwar in this thread please? Let’s stick to the subject. This year’s tour.

  • http://idolstages.com Connie D.

    AmericanIdol.com/Tour

    I do not understand why the official tour page still has Bridgeport in September. Inexcusable!

  • Kanadie Bonttell

    This all reeks of desperation…what a disservice to the fans!

  • http://idolthoughts.today.com/ foxydonna

    I’ve been watching ticket sales at the venue in Albany, NY, which is the closest to me. The show is July 17, and you can still get a floor seat (row J today). That’s unheard of for that venue this close to the concert. Plus, with the service charges, etc., one ticket is $85.50. That’s ridiculously expensive for an Idol tour show. There’s no way I’d drive 240 miles round trip to see this lot, and apparently, I’m not alone. Canceling Buffalo means one less option for folks in upstate New York if anyone cares that much at this point.

  • http://www.dallascowboys.com GeminiDolly

    I dont think there is conspiracy. I just believe this crop is a boring bunch and not worth spending cash over. I also think its in competition with S6 as the worst talent ever. I will fork over cash for Lee’s CD though. Thats it for this season.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    So far, the Cleveland, Kansas City, Buffalo and Omaha dates are no longer available for sale.

  • Jae

    You know, a lot of Idols are touring this summer: Kris, Adam, Jason, Chris D, Carrie( are there more?) so it may just be a matter of the tour dollars being split vs s9 being of low intererest? I know I for one am saving up for Adam shows and if Jason comes close will see him again. So that is usually my idol tour money. Cook wasn’t touring anywhere near me last summer when s8 was going on so I didn’t have to choose between him and idol Tour.

  • Kitwana

    Maybe this year’s contestants did not come in with the best “buzz” but that is why you have marketing and promotion. 19e and Live Nation have vast resources and connections. To the extent that this tour lacks “buzz”, surely this is partly a failure on their part? Why couldn’t they get some of the many AI bloggers like Brian Mansfield, Michael Slezak or even Rickey to hype up the tour. How about a big press release after the first show touting how great it was or how the audience couldn’t stop screaming or something like that? Where was the marketing budget spent?

  • Sydia

    Hmmm…dissapointed for S9 idols. In the grand scheme of things it affects all of our idols. America is ready to move on to something else.

  • HappyDaisy

    foxydonna: I’ve been watching ticket sales at the venue in Albany, NY, which is the closest to me. The show is July 17, and you can still get a floor seat (row J today). That’s unheard of for that venue this close to the concert. Plus, with the service charges, etc., one ticket is $85.50. That’s ridiculously expensive for an Idol tour show.

    Just checked the Albany venue and they are selling only floor and lower bowl now, no upper bowl. The floor tickets are $67.50 (plus fees) but the lower bowl tickets are only $37.50 (plus fees). You can get excellent seats near the stage at that venue right now for only $37.50.

    I was extremely disappointed in Season 9. Went to a couple of the Season 7 tour shows and one of the Season 8 shows and had a blast. Tried to get interested in the Season 9 tour but no go, and watching some of the videos from this year’s tour didn’t boost my interest at all. Hope they can revive Idol for Season 10 because the show and tour were a lot of fun “back in the day.”

  • http://idolthoughts.today.com/ foxydonna

    ‘Idol’ simply did not live up to the hype this season. The failure of this tour is a reflection of viewers’ general boredom with the contestants and perhaps even the outcome. Live Nation is clearly cutting its losses, canceling shows with weak sales. I’m betting there will be some shows moved to smaller venues as well – maybe even Albany. Ironic in that Lambert’s show in Albany was moved from a smaller venue to a theater due to high demand for tickets. Maybe the Idols will end up in the same theater before this is all over!

    ETA: Happy Daisy – The “Ryan Special” tickets for Albany were for the upper level, way back in the corners. People who bought those seats will most likely end up in the lower level. Bad as it was, Season 3 had people in the upper level seats.

  • Jae

    I think tonights show is sold out. Tickets are not available through ticketbastard.

  • J9BT

    Jae:
    07/03/2010 at 7:23 pm
    I think tonights show is sold out. Tickets are not available through ticketbastard.

    I don’t think tickets can be purchased on-line the day of a show. I think you have to go to the venue. I guess I’m not assuming the show is sold out.

  • chessguy99

    I think tonights show is sold out. Tickets are not available through ticketbastard.

    I checked this morning, you could get tickets. The only delivery option was will call. They probably cut sales at noon local.

  • BestAI

    I was looking at one of the concert’s ticket sales site, and the highest price ticket was in the 90s. C’mon, even Carrie doesn’t charge that much. What were they thinking? I think if the Live Nation folks paid attention to the season’s reviews, they should have figured that it was not likely the tour could command the high ticket prices and the biggest arenas in the country.

    I bet if they went the route of Daughtry’s ticket prices and venue sizes, they would have done fine.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    Kitwana:
    07/03/2010 at 7:14 pm

    Maybe this year’s contestants did not come in with the best “buzz” but that is why you have marketing and promotion. 19e and Live Nation have vast resources and connections. To the extent that this tour lacks “buzz”, surely this is partly a failure on their part? Why couldn’t they get some of the many AI bloggers like Brian Mansfield, Michael Slezak or even Rickey to hype up the tour. How about a big press release after the first show touting how great it was or how the audience couldn’t stop screaming or something like that? Where was the marketing budget spent?

    The AI bloggers have been hyping up the show. There have been numerous articles here, on Rickey’s and Brian had a boatload of stories on the tour. A press release has to be based on facts, Brian touted certain contestants he felt were great. The Detroit reviewer wasn’t impressed and the Billboard article didn’t seem like it was a rave either. There have been stories in newspapers in the venue area, MJ has been posting them. Also, there were Idols touring last year during the AI tour including David A, David C. and others. That’s always been the case, didn’t stop people from going to prior year concerts.

    There’s just not that anticipation out there that has been in the past. Maybe because the contestants didn’t seem all that competitive or risking everything to win, they didn’t capture the usual excitement. They are talented, but there’s no….I don’t know, something just seems to be missing this year.

  • BestAI

    Sydia:
    Hmmm…dissapointed for S9 idols. In the grand scheme of things it affects all of our idols. America is ready to move on to something else.

    AI is still a highly rated show compared to everything else on TV even if the ratings are down. They just need to get back to the drawing board and figure out what to do next season. It would behoove them to have numerous focus groups to figure that out for them.

  • Eriko

    I can´t help but sense a great deal of prejudice going around, and none coming from people who have actually been to either of the concerts. The ones who have actually gone, and therefore base their opinion on actual experience, are very positive. I´ll add a quote from Herbert Spencer:
    “There is a principal which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance- that principal is contempt prior to investigation”

  • AdamBigFan

    Based on the bad news about the tour sales and fan cheers shown in previous concert vids, I believe that other than Lee and Crystal, nobody of season 9 would get record deals (from major labels) after the tour.

  • koshka

    Kitwana I both agree and disagree. As a marketing professional, I’d agree that they should be doing more, though it is tough to say what they have been pushing behind the scenes. Despite what people may think at times you can’t force the media to get excited or o terested in writing about things they know their audience isn’t interested in. *snark intended here* What is more interesting a story … The
    paint salesman that made good or the impoverished hippie? They’ve made both so one dimentional it’s hard to dig out. So the issue may have more to do with decisions made by the producers during the season rather than the concert promoters

  • Ratna12

    The cancellations and the rescheduling of the Bridgeport date is starting to make sense. I suspect they may be trying to finish the tour by mid/end of August. This may be good for Lee and Crystal. It will give them more time to work on their albums

    Personally, I don’t really care about the top 2, since they already got signed. What about the other 8. The experience and more so, the money can help them greatly. Some of those 8 will never sing in front of so many people again, or make so much money in a short time; and that’s the sad part.

    Yes, they should just book a lot smaller venues from the beginning. There are fans in all those different cities that won’t be able to come with the cancellations. It is more expensive if you have to travel far away.

  • aidancash

    AdamBigFan: It looks like Casey already has a deal done they are just waiting for the perfect time to announce it.

    Yeah some of them have to be cancelled but big woop. It happens with concerts all the time. And the fact there were 9000 at detroit these kids would kill to play in fron to that many before idol.

  • kadoatie07

    I have tickets sitting on my desk right now for the Cleveland show. Lovely. :( I wish they would have moved to a smaller venue or something. Oh well…

  • http://myspace.com hgzaj

    I hope Siobhan gets signed out of this too, not just Casey. She’s just as talented as him, if not more. They’re both different, but both immensely talented.

  • AdamBigFan

    It looks like Casey already has a deal done they are just waiting for the perfect time to announce it.

    A deal is never done without an official anouncement. They might change their minds about it, especially after learning the general lack of interests of S9, not to mention that after the tour, AI and record companies will start to look for their new favorite for another season.

  • http://www.madzionist.com negativo

    I’m nervous, now…hope South Florida doesn’t get whacked.

  • EmmaCT

    Well, at least for Katie, I think she was counting more on the Mohegan Sun show, because it was first, and that’s the one I’ve heard her mention. I think it’s actually closer to where she’s from than Bridgeport is.

    Bridgeport is closer to Katie’s hometown than Mohegan Sun is – which I’m guessing is why it is moved. Ticketmaster has yet to catch up with the rescheduled date…

    I don’t think the problem was with these contestants; many of them are mad talented. The apathy, pre-ordaining and formulaic approach by the judges killed this season. Much to my surprise, “America’s Got Talent” has been energized by the judging change – the chemistry, and sense of “fun” has somehow rejuvenated that show… I hope the same is true for American Idol next season.

  • http://idolthoughts.today.com/ foxydonna

    They’ll probably move Pittsburgh and Portland, Maine up a few days to replace the canceled shows.

  • shell29

    Oh, I hope they don’t have to cancel too many shows (for the sake of the Top 10). The summer tour is such a fun experience and great money for the Top 10, it would be a shame for them to have it cut short. I don’t blame the S9 Idols, I just think it’s due to the crummy economy plus a bit of Idol fatigue.

  • aidancash

    AdamBigFan: I doubt that. If that were true no record company would ever sign a new artist. Someone beleives in casey and it is going to happen. He almost spilled the beans it might be within the next couple of weeks or so in an interview.

  • Allison

    I just checked and there are $10 tickets available to the Jones Beach Show. Wow, how times have changed. We used to have sellouts at the much bigger Nassau Coliseum, and I know I paid big bucks for them.

  • Kirsten

    Is this the first time they’ve ever canceled an Idol tour date? Some of the concert dates have had pretty thin attendance (e.g. 27% in Indianapolis in S3) they’ve always gone ahead. Sometimes, they’ve even added concert dates (to give S3 some love, they kept adding concert dates in Honolulu until they ended up with 3 sold-out concerts. Who knows how many they could have sold out).

  • Nina1

    I just think it’s due to the crummy economy

    I think so, too. I think some factors are totally extraneous to the performers, even if some of it is just cheese burnout. And I noticed that for decent seats at the show close to me (Boston) the tickets are very expensive, more expensive than for other concerts this summer. Out of state they get far more reasonable. I saw a nice little meet and greet deal here for over (cough) $1600.

    I am afraid the negative buzz around the concerts will affect the remaining shows, the contestants and, ultimately, the TV show. These things tend to feed on each other and if the concert season fails, it will bleed into the television season. When they cancel shows, still fewer people buy tickets, etc., and the situation spirals downward. I thnk they are pulling concerts too soon. I wanted to wait for the first concerts before buying a ticket; I suspect this summer more buyers would have been impulse buyers. Other types of purchases are also slower than last year.

  • steph6449

    A deal is never done without an official anouncement.

    It could be signed with just a delayed announcement for PR reasons. Danny’s deal was signed sometime in mid-August according to one of his websites and his not-so-good-at-keeping-secrets interviews around that time, lol. And he pretty much knew in general what it would be weeks before that. PR release didn’t come until early September though.

    If they are signing Casey, which he seems to believe (and I tend to think we wouldn’t have seen a picture of him with the Sony reps if there weren’t at least bona fide interest) they may still be working it out, or are waiting to announce it later on.

    The AI Tour isn’t selling to its level from some years past, and not all of them are getting great reviews. But they are still playing to audiences larger than a lot of new acts trying to break into the business.

    I see a lot of country artists who aren’t selling many CDs/EPs at all, and who aren’t tour draws either. But still they are signed as new/new-ish solo acts on decent Nashville labels. Casey probably could do as well or better than most of them if he can hold at least a moderate sized AI fan base to bring along with him for his new music.

    So I could see Sony signing him if the economics of it balance out to whatever they think he could do as far as music sales or as a touring act. I do wonder about what I’ve heard about his AI tour set though. Sounds almost more like something you would do if you are auditioning to be a lead guitar player in a band than a solo male vocal artist.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I think so, too. I think some factors are totally extraneous to the performers, even if some of it is just cheese burnout. And I noticed that for decent seats at the show close to me (Boston) the tickets are very expensive, more expensive than for other concerts this summer. Out of state they get far more reasonable. I saw a nice little meet and greet deal here for over (cough) $1600.

    The Idol tour is really popular here. Sellouts are common. Even in S3 and S6 when the tour wasn’t selling well overall, the NH-MA-RI dates still sold reasonably well.

    I will be shocked if there are New England dates canceled.

  • aidancash

    I am not worried about Caseys set. Have you seen Kieth Urben in concert. He does all that long drawn out solo guitar work. No worries

  • whatever4444

    I blame the judges and their obsession of radio voices. They pushed for Lee and Crystal who are not interesting enough. They are good but are not exciting or different. They also gave confusing comments about the other contestants. It would have been far more exciting if they would have showed more support for Siobhan instead of saying she was confusing. How can a person that finds a song confusing be a judge? How can a song be confusing? The judges ruined the season and killed all the initial buzz the season did have.

  • Nina1

    I will be shocked if there are New England dates canceled.

    I don’t think they will be canceled, but I do think Live Nation is doing some serious price gouging. They are not sold out for the show the 18th yet.

  • Dlynne

    I believe there are many factors involved in this shuffle and not one overriding factor. It looks like some of the dates were at the end of the tour schedule. It’s too bad that LiveNation didn’t wait a little longer to see if ticket sales would pick up when the dates were a little closer. I have a feeling after a couple of weeks of positive reviews, things might pick up.

    I feel really bad for these kids.

  • MaryS-NJ

    Hmm, something must be wrong with me because I bought a ticket to see these Idols and I’m excited about it. Maybe I missed the memo that this season’s talent is somehow lacking and I should not be bothered to want to go see them.

    Seriously, maybe it’s that these Idols didn’t create passion as previous seasons have, or maybe it’s general Idol fatigue, or maybe it’s the economy (more long term unemployed this year than last), and the fact that there seem to be a ridiculous number of concerts this summer, including previous season Idols, all vying for more limited discretionary income. I don’t know the answer but I feel bad for these Idols that people seem to be writing them off as failures before they’ve barely gotten started.

  • JCPT

    @steph6449
    To be honest, after watching Casey’s excellent performance through some tour videoes, I really found nothing COUNTRY. I thought the obvious one who goes country should be Aaron. The tour just proves even more so. Is coutry really the perfect choice for Casey?

  • http://www.myspace.com/lauraoestrella Laury

    As a fan of the show, I feel sad about this :(
    I hope they can work this out for these kids and the show itself.

  • aidancash

    Yes country is the perfect choice for Casey. Its like saying because Carrie Underwood sings a guns and roses song in concert that do you then say country isnt her. Its all over now and dont are country

  • Elliegrll

    Sydia:
    Hmmm…dissapointed for S9 idols. In the grand scheme of things it affects all of our idols.

    I agree, to a certain extent. Most people aren’t going to buy an album or a single, or go to a concert just because someone is from AI, but the goal all along was to get attention based on the music, and not because they appeared on AI. I’ve seen posts where people are laughing at the season 9 contestants, but this change in people’s focus is effecting everyone not named Carrie, Daughtry or Kelly.

  • MaryS-NJ

    Is coutry really the perfect choice for Casey?

    How do you define “country” because I think it’s eclectic and includes the country-pop that Aaron favors and whole lot of other roots/americana.

    Outlaw Country on Sirius Radio plays old school country artist like Waylon Jennings and Johnny Cash, and newer “country/rock/folk” artists like Steve Earle, plus acoustic rock/singer-songwriters like John Hyatt and Alejandro Escovedo, and southern rock like ZZ Top and “classic”rock like Creedence Clearwater Revival, blues by Stevie Ray Vaughan, and bluegrass all in the mix. That’s the kind of music Casey makes. I think Aaron has very carefully staked his claim on a certain part of that genre. I think there is room for Casey, whose musical influences and personal history fit with what crosses over into country, even if he likes to rock out.

    I think signing with a Sony Nashville label will be the best option for Casey. The LA and NY labels aren’t going to sign Casey to make a rock record in the style that suits him best. I’m really optimistic about it and the fact that his tour set has a little of everything (electric, rock, acoustic ballad, slide, blues, country) just shows his versatility as a musician.

  • AIaddict

    I blame it on the economy and I feel bad for the AI9 kids too. What a bummer and if my show is cancelled I will be really sad not to be able to see Lee, Crystal and Casey. As I type this I am listening to Crystal singing What’s Up on the cellcert and she sounds amazing. I cannot imagine people not wanting to see these kids in action.

  • steph6449

    @steph6449
    To be honest, after watching Casey’s excellent performance through some tour videoes, I really found nothing COUNTRY. I thought the obvious one who goes country should be Aaron. The tour just proves even more so. Is coutry really the perfect choice for Casey?

    I’m open minded as to what I like to hear in country music, so I don’t see why Casey couldn’t try it and Sony seems to have interest. Some of those who are country music purity-test administrators here, seem to be willing to give him a pass into the secret-handshake country club ;) So there’s that also.

    Casey had a couple of performances that I liked on the show, and others I thought weren’t particularly notable. What I saw didn’t scream country to me, but I don’t think it has to especially when you look at AI’s genre-of-the-week format that they put the contestants through.

    I don’t remember Aaron that well but I gather he does gravitate to country and has gone to Nashville to see what he can do there. Maybe both he and Casey can find careers out of Nashville. They are pretty different styles personally and musically, so aren’t necessarily competing with each other as much as with other artists out there.

    I just don’t find the real youngun’s of either gender on AI that interesting, lol. Aaron seems too young to me to be signed as a country artist, and even apart from that, I didn’t find him appealing at all to watch on stage when I saw him on AI9. Just my taste though. Maybe he can find someone to work with in Nashville to help him grow into it. In the early going, he seems to be getting some good reviews from the tour.

    I hope overall the tour makes it through without too much damage. It does seem to be an important part, both for the experience and straight out $$ opportunity, for the AI top 10 year to year. And having it flounder, wouldn’t bode well for getting the next season off to a good start.

  • http://idolthoughts.today.com/ foxydonna

    The Idols have always played well in Upstate NY as well. S6 played at the New York State Fair, and while it was far from sold out, the show drew a big crowd. Albany has always had a good turnout as well. I saw S2 and S3 there and while the crowd was much thinner for S3 it was still respectable.

    This year, they skipped Syracuse, which was sold-out last year and now it looks like Buffalo is being canceled. That leaves Albany where there are still excellent seats available with a little over two weeks to go. I don’t think it’s the economy – it was worse last year, though I’m sure that’s where Live Nation will lay blame.

    The thing is, Idols are still a draw up here in my neck of the woods. I saw Bo Bice in Utica a couple of weeks ago (he was awesome) and there had to be 2,000 people there. Of course it was a free show, but still.

  • Nina1

    Maybe I missed the memo that this season’s talent is somehow lacking and I should not be bothered to want to go see them.

    I’m not sure that memo was sent. I don’t think this season’s talent is lacking at all; I continue to think that overall, this top ten is one of the best top tens of recent years. The talent is merely deeper, with one talent not pulling the rest along.

  • LukkiStar

    I already have my tickets for the Buffalo show…but I bet they’re going to move it to somewhere else. It’s not really even that big of a venue, (I think 15,000?) but whatever. For the past several years, the closest the Idol Tour has come to Buffalo has been Rochester, so I bet they’ll move it there since they haven’t been to Buffalo since season 2.

  • http://www.myspace.com/lauraoestrella Laury

    Also agree with other posters, these contestants were as talent as any contestant from past seasons, It was a great group, IMO it’s hard to keep interest on a reallity show after 9 years, i think people move on to something else and now I’m kinda worry about S10, I really love the show!

    Once again, I hope they can work this out because these contestants deserves this oportunity, they’re really talent and I can’t image how they must feel about this :(

  • karenc

    I think this years top 10 are talented, but really, no one became a big star this year that they have in previous years that really drew people to the shows. Not that there isn’t people that I am a fan of this year.

    I don’t think it’s entirely about the economy, but people are probably more careful about how they spend their money, and if they have the money to go to shows, only going to shows for artist they are really a fan of. Part of the problem may be that the tickets were so expensive. I would think twice about spending $90 on a concert unless there was someone I really want to see.

  • cookcricket

    kadoatie07:
    07/03/2010 at 7:58 pm

    I have tickets sitting on my desk right now for the Cleveland show. Lovely. :( I wish they would have moved to a smaller venue or something. Oh well…

    I’m a little concerned about the Columbus show. I hope they try for a smaller venue before canceling because I really want to see this show!

  • blissful

    That is disappointing about the cancellation(s), but maybe this will give more time to produce better debut albums. But if people are willing to shell out $20 (or whatever the going rate is) for the tour will they pay for CDs?

    ETA: Jeez, it means less $$ for the idols too :( They’re paid per show, I think.

  • tessa

    I just bought tickets for my show. I hope it doesn’t get cancelled!

  • http://idolthoughts.today.com/ foxydonna

    This group just doesn’t have the charisma that makes me say, “I want to see them live.” I wouldn’t mind seeing Crystal and maybe Casey and Michael, but I’m just not interested enough in any of the others to spend $150 or so (show ticket, gas, a meal, and tolls) plus four hours of driving time. The thing is, I’ve driven to Albany for two Idol shows (S2 and S3), so if the motivation is there, I’ll do it. I may go see Adam in Albany, in fact.

    I’ve only missed one season’s show (S1), so my not going is a pretty good indicator of the overall lack of interest in this season’s group.

  • windmills

    What Mary S-NJ said about Casey and country. Also I think the label had already seen his i-Tunes numbers and that they’re not that great so the tour sales won’t be news to them. Country radio listeners are slower to pick up new acts (Easton Corbin’s 1st week of 43k is pretty amazing for a guy who had a country radio #1 and nothing else as far as promotion) so even with his small AI fanbase Casey’s still a little ahead of the game of a typical new country act. I think Sony Nashville might see that Casey’s got a big upside in country because of his musicianship and the way his blues/rock/country background blend into something that would work for country radio. There’s also the shallow part where his looks will likely help him as far as marketing.

    It’s too bad about the cancellations. Live Nation really misjudged the market for several tours this summer including the Eagles tour, Lilith, Christina Aguilera, Rihanna/Ke$ha, and the AI tours. I’m sorry to all the fans who bought tickets and will miss out.

    If Lyric Street were still operating in Nashville I think they’d likely want to develop Aaron. Because of Taylor Swift there’s a few teenage country acts being developed like Jeanette Mccurdy (who’s on some Disney show), Tyler Dickerson, and Katie Armiger. The idea of a country Justin Bieber has probably occurred to label heads. I don’t think Sony Nashville will sign him but if Aaron really impresses this tour he could do himself a lot of favors as far as getting signed. Right now I don’t think he’s really on Nashville’s radar. But I think Aaron’s got the go and he definitely has that natural country pop voice. He just needs to develop more of a style that’s his own. I see him moving to Nashville, hooking up with some people to cut some demos, and getting a deal down the line.

  • jammasta

    Does anyone still have data from previous seasons for other venues? I don’t know how well Sacramento has sold previously, and I’d be really peeved if it were cancelled here.

    If I don’t get to see Crystal, Siobhan, and Aaron live, I will go to every AI fan in Sacramento and poke them unpleasantly in the belly.

  • ggdoorsfan

    There’s just not that anticipation out there that has been in the past. Maybe because the contestants didn’t seem all that competitive or risking everything to win, they didn’t capture the usual excitement. They are talented, but there’s no….I don’t know, something just seems to be missing this year

    maybe there were not enough compelling and distinct contrasts between the contestants in the top 10, and especially the last 2 standing… for instance s7 had the 2 david’s… one rock, one pop, one an adult, one a minor, both had very distinct differences in their singing styles and appeal to different segments of the viewing audience… s8… adam and kris… one very flamboyant and one more laid back, two distinctly different singing styles and appeal to different segments of the audience… battle lines were drawn early for the fans, and that carried an excitement over into the finale… imo, this season, there was no real distinction between the majority of the contestants… i may be generalizing, but there were too many guys and girls with guitars, singing songs that didn’t feel that inspired… no real a-ha, come to jesus watercooler standout vocal performance that made fans at home and the media rave as in the past… that has been one of idol’s signatures over the years, whether one likes big voices or not – there has always been a virtual showstopper performance from somebody, or 2 or 3 contestants that electrified fans and the media. there were none, imo, this year. just my random musings, so ymmv.

  • steph6449

    If I don’t get to see Crystal, Siobhan, and Aaron live, I will go to every AI fan in Sacramento and poke them unpleasantly in the belly.

    lol. glad I live safely out east then :)
    .

    Eeps. I looked up the twitter accounts just out of curiosity to see how much interest there was in this year’s finalists who are on tour, and who we were talking about as far as trying to get signed. I’m sure over time it will grow, but right now with maybe an exception for Lee, it looks like fairly small numbers of fans following. And significantly fewer than I recall from last year for most of the top 10 who were active on twitter at this time of the year.

    Lee ~34k
    Aaron ~10k
    Crystal ~10k
    Casey ~12k
    Mike ~3k

  • blissful

    maybe there were not enough compelling and distinct contrasts between the contestants in the top 10, and especially the last 2 standing

    Yep. But it seemed to minimize the fan wars.

    Still debating whether to attend or not — this was the first time my kids watched the whole season, but the timing is kinda tough.

  • http://crystalfans.com/ Zsus

    19 can go **** themselves. They make more than enough money off of the Idols to bankroll a tour without needing to cancel dates. Screw them. All the more reason to find something better to do with my Tuesday nights next year.

  • http://justalittlespace.blogspot.com ClaireC

    This may be a really dumb question, but did the idols actually share a house this year? I watched the whole season and I don’t remember seeing any footage of them in Idol mansion, but Mike referenced an apartment and Crystal drove to the studio alone that one time.

    The reason I ask is that for me, S9 had no chemistry with each other. In 8 and 7 the idols seemed to know each other, it was them against the world and this year there seemed to be a lot less of that. I wondered if maybe they didn’t put them all in a house this year and that that was one of the problems that lead to less sparkle from this group which is causing less interest and now cancelled concerts.

  • ilovenpt123

    I think is is just an “off” year for Idol – after the Adam/Kris/Allison/Gokey year, it was hard to match them for talent. It’s funny to think that any of the top ten of 2009 (save Meghan) could have won idol. Lee is a nice guy and probably talented, but he’s not idol-worthy. Crystal has something going for her – but she still needs to figure that out.

    Why shell out a whole lot of cash to see rank amateurs?????

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    blissful:
    07/03/2010 at 10:53 pm

    Yep. But it seemed to minimize the fan wars.

    Still debating whether to attend or not — this was the first time my kids watched the whole season, but the timing is kinda tough.

    But really, the fans who post on the internet and get into fan wars are a teeny tiny segment of the American Idol audience. Most people like a thrilling competition and that probably fuels the interest in seeing the tour live. Without that contrast, interest died down a bit. Plus, I really do think that Glee had a lot to do with this… Glee’s remakes of old songs sold like gangbusters, looks like they took the sales that would usually go to AI remakes after the finale. That coupled with the lack of diversity prolly affected sales.

  • blissful

    Plus, I really do think that Glee had a lot to do with this… Glee’s remakes of old songs sold like gangbusters, looks like they took the sales that would usually go to AI remakes after the finale. That coupled with the lack of diversity prolly affected sales.

    ITA. I know other artists have had cancellations, but there is a market for TV-based music. The Glee concerts sold out in minutes. I now remember my kids begging to attend one.

    What’s interesting about Glee is that they have roughly the same time frame (a week) to record their songs, along with the acting and dancing, for each episode that it makes season 9 seem like amateurs. I know it’s comparing apples to oranges but still.

    AI has lost its novelty and the lackluster (compared to previous years) idols did not help.

  • windmills

    blissful: What’s interesting about Glee is that they have roughly the same time frame (a week) to record their songs, along with the acting and dancing, for each episode that it makes season 9 seem like amateurs. I know it’s comparing apples to oranges but still.

    But there are credible reports (confirmed by Mark Salling and Neil Patrick Harris) that the Glee cast is exhausted. Allegedly the cast has let TPTB know that they want to cut back on their workload. TPTB reportedly are having none of it.

    blissful:
    I know other artists have had cancellations, but there is a market for TV-based music. The Glee concerts sold out in minutes. I now remember my kids begging to attend one.

    Glee is only touring a few big cities and they picked smallish venues where they’re playing multiple dates. They were very smart about it and so they got instant sellouts by limiting the opportunities to see their live show.

    That having been said IA Glee has stolen AI’s thunder by giving people covers of music they like better than they saw on AI and probably characters they like better too.

  • ggdoorsfan

    Yep. But it seemed to minimize the fan wars.

    Still debating whether to attend or not — this was the first time my kids watched the whole season, but the timing is kinda tough.

    i’m not a fan of fan wars, and there is a sense of relief that, relatively speaking, s9 has been devoid of some of the more nasty and unpleasant aspects of this idol byproduct. that even in and of itself is kinda indicative of the way many feel/felt about this season… where is the passion, where is the beef, lol… lotta sizzle this season, but no steak. i can live without fan wars, but if this past season is any indication of what we can expect from the show going forward, they may as well close up shop now. there is some overhauling across the board needing to take place – do tptb have the guts to get to the root cause of the problem, or is it already too late… we all shall see.

  • bubblewrap

    I worry that the unsigned Idols might not get as much exposure as they could in order to help them get signed. But I looked on Youtube and it looks like most of the Idols are taking their own initiative. Tim’s taking acting lessons, Casey has been to Nashville, and Aaron has been talking to Nathan Chapman (Taylor Swift’s producer). I hope things still work out for the remaining Idols who are unsigned.

  • Kitwana

    I agree that 19 could easily bankroll this tour out of the profits from Season 9 of Idol if it wanted to. And this does not necessarily mean forcing the Top 10 to play in empty arenas. They could try $1 tickets or even free tickets to get bodies into seats. If that doesn’t work, they can offer more incentives to the public to attend like free snacks, free tour merchandise or the chance to win big cash or other prizes for attending the concert. I just think that with the money 19 has made from Idol and which it will continue to make for years to come, it is really short sighted and stingy to cancel/reschedule dates as it has been doing and damage the Idol brand in the process.

  • poster

    I can’t believe TPTB are cancelling concerts based on Michigan and Wisconsin numbers. These states are hit the worse by the economy and people can’t afford concerts, especially in Michigan. Also, another mistake they made is starting the tour here. It should start on the West or East coasts, where there’s lots of people who review music concerts and get the “hype” going. Now that they’ve canceled concerts, unfortunately the only hype that’s going to follow is the tour is bad. I just came from the Grand Rapids concert, my 3rd year in a row going, and I have to say it was greatly entertaining. They were all so much better than on TV. My favorites were, surprisingly, Aaron, Siobhan, Lee and Crystal.

  • blissful

    Windmills – Those Glee kids are worked hard, but I think the Idols are too. TPTB are making tons of money off their backs, but at least the Glee kids are getting a better return.

    You’re right, Glee has handled the concert scheduling smarter which makes the Idol situation even more pathetic. They should have know by the decreased Itunes sales, the vote count, media interest and overall buzz to decrease the tour dates. I was surprised they had roughly the same number (though some at smaller venues) as previous years. They can always add more dates — it’s a PR mess to cancel dates when this season needs as the positive press it can get.

  • LukkiStar

    Also just wanted to throw out there that Adam’s “Glam Nation Tour” is probably not helping Idol tour sales at all. People that are fans of his and fans of the show probably were more likely to choose to see just Adam than to choose to see a whole bunch of people who aren’t Adam. If that makes sense. Adam’s got a pretty rabid fanbase, and obviously a lot of them are idol viewers. Not saying it’s absolutely the reason that the tour isn’t selling well, but I definitely think it could be a contributing factor.

  • windmills

    blissful: TPTB are making tons of money off their backs, but at least the Glee kids are getting a better return.

    They probably are but the same reports say the Glee kids are paid a pittance compared to a lot of TV actors and they’re locked into those contracts for years.

    But I don’t want to keep sounding like I’m disagreeing with you because I really agree with the basics of what you’re saying especially about the way the AI PTB are messing all this up to the detriment of the s9 finalists.

  • http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/ CindyM

    LukkiStar:
    07/03/2010 at 11:31 pm

    Also just wanted to throw out there that Adam’s “Glam Nation Tour” is probably not helping Idol tour sales at all. People that are fans of his and fans of the show probably were more likely to choose to see just Adam than to choose to see a whole bunch of people who aren’t Adam. If that makes sense. Adam’s got a pretty rabid fanbase, and obviously a lot of them are idol viewers. Not saying it’s absolutely the reason that the tour isn’t selling well, but I definitely think it could be a contributing factor.

    Naaah, don’t agree. Last year during the AI Tour, David Cook was touring and he has a huge fanbase, larger than Adam’s I think. Adam’s playing smallish venues and his ticket prices are reasonable. Every year there’s been other Idols touring. I really do think it’s just a natural byproduct of the lower ratings, lower vote totals, lack of diversity in the cast and the economy. I also think that Paula leaving, Simon announcing he was leaving before the season even started gave the impression that Idol was a sinking ship before these kids even had a chance. Then, the lack of excitement..well, boom. It’s like the perfect storm.

  • ggdoorsfan

    other idols in previous years have toured during the same time the idol summer tour was going on, and it did nothing to decrease interest in or attendance at the summer tour. just for example’s sake – david’s a and c arguably had and have bigger fanbases than adam coming off the show – bases they’ve done a great job maintaining. they were both on tour during last season’s idol tour, and it had no affect on idol ticket sales – nor did the idol tour decrease interest in fans showing up in droves to see them. i’m sure other examples of idol alums touring during the summer tour are out there, but i don’t see the glam nation tour being that much a factor in the mess that is s9’s poor showing. as always, ymmv.

  • blissful

    Windmills – No worries :) I hear what you’re saying, but at least for the Glee kids they are getting positive exposure to further their careers. It’s like making a deal with the devil in some ways :/

    It should start on the West or East coasts, where there’s lots of people who review music concerts and get the “hype” going.

    I thought tours generally started in smaller markets so the kinks can be worked out. TPTB screwed up when they over anticipated the demand. It’s sad that MJ reviewers have been pleasantly surprised by the quality, but the bigger news is the cancellations.

  • sue

    This is so sad. I don’t think this has ever happened. Even with the poor sales, couldn’t they just close off parts of the venues and still have the show. I am sure the fans that do try to go to the shows will be really disappointed. It’s the economy for sure, I think. Many more popular acts had to cancel dates too, so it is no surprise. Lower the ticket prices all across the board so they could at least get bodies in the venues. It’s better for the franchise. Plus the top 10 need any exposure they can get. Idol has plenty of money already, for real. I feel bad for the top 10, they deserve more. Oh well!

  • wordnerdarchie

    Does anyone still have data from previous seasons for other venues? I don’t know how well Sacramento has sold previously, and I’d be really peeved if it were cancelled here.

    Here’s a link to Idol Stages that has ticket sales #s. Scroll down to American Idols Live Tour Attendance History and click on the venue that you want to see stats for.

  • CRB

    19E is cutting its losses. Smart play.

  • Mary102

    This is really too bad. I just remember last year being so much epic fun on MJs following the concerts! The tweets, the gates, the pics and vids, the discussions (and fanwars, lol)! It’s truly an experience I will remember fondly for awhile! In fact, I had to go to multiple shows last year because the experience was so much fun! Meeting the idols before the shows, and after the shows, meeting so many new friends who shared in my crazy obsession with this stupid cheesy show! This cancellation thing has definitely never happened before.

    I can’t say I’m really surprised though. I think even more telling than the dropping ratings (which has been happening a number of years anyways), is the lack of buzz for any of them, really. The media just hasn’t latched on to any of them, and no amount of extra PR pushing from TPTB is gonna change that.

    I still find it curious to hear people, including Brian Mansfield, say that this year seemed to be more about everyone liking all, or many of the idols, rather than being fanatical about one. Say what you will about being fanatical, but I think this more casual attitude about a bunch of them is just not enough to get more people into the arenas. With ticket prices at close to or over $100, you gotta really feel something for these guys to want to shell out that kind of money. I seem to hear a lot of “oh, I like Aaron, and Tim and Katie and Andrew.” But not as much I LOVE so and so. IDK, just some thoughts.

  • agathe.hb

    feel so sorry for the kids, it must be really sad for them, after all of the excitement of making the tour :(

  • Mary102

    And just to give a non-fantard outlook on it – I’ve talked with a number of coworkers who follow the show closely each year, and usually go to the tour, and none of them had any interest in seeing it this year. I think that the majority of more casual idol viewers probably felt similarly.

  • agathe.hb

    well, call me stupid, but I honestly believe that Paula’s leaving has had a lot to do with it – she had an eye for talent…….

  • cher

    Really sad to see this especially since the reviews are pretty good overall for the S9 idols. Well, I just looked at the Ke$ha/Rihanna concert at Arco Arena on July 9th next week and you can still get tix on the floor facing the stage 21st row!! at Ticketmaster. Tickets start at $20.25 up to $102 max. For their concert down here in Miami on July 31st, you can also still get good floor seats too. Definite sign of the times, except if you’re Justin Bieber, Eminem or Jay-Z. They’re definitely selling out arenas pretty fast.

  • Yvonne13

    I agree about feeling sad for this year’s group. I am not sure about the effect that Paula’s leaving had. This show should not be tied to the judges so closely. America’s Got Talent isnt’ – it’s about the contestants as it should be. We were watching Idol Rewind today – Season 5 auditions – and Paula voted to put through some pretty lousy people.

  • agathe.hb

    I am seriously starting to believe that next season will be the last one…. unless they get a really great group of contestants, including very controversial ones…. that always helps to get the media going….

  • Yvonne13

    LukkiStar, I have to play off of what you said. I think Adam has set some kind of standard for the show. He is quite different, quite the performer, and if given the choice, many folks who are big fans of his will gravitate to his show. Since money may be tight for many, and folks have to make choices about which venue to see, they choose him. I feel like Idol is in market over-saturation. They are busy trying to promote the individual tours of the previous year’s contestants along with the current group’s. It’s got to be a difficult juggling act.

  • springboard

    It looks like it’s the venues at the end of the tour that are affected, and it makes sense that they want to shorten the tour if it is not selling well.
    I am hoping for the sake of the S9 bunch that this reshuffle won’t be too deep and also done for good.

    Say what you will about being fanatical, but I think this more casual attitude about a bunch of them is just not enough to get more people into the arenas. With ticket prices at close to or over $100, you gotta really feel something for these guys to want to shell out that kind of money. I seem to hear a lot of “oh, I like Aaron, and Tim and Katie and Andrew.” But not as much I LOVE so and so.

    I think you nailed it. Of course, they all have some fans who love them, but certainly not enough to create much buzz. Personally, I like a few of them, but it’s not in the same scale as for my past seasons favorites. I may be interested in more albums than I have been though.

    From what I understand, the idols are paid per night for the tour, so they won’t be paid as much as they expected if they cancel shows. I suppose that it would affect more the lowest ranking finishers that receive lower fees per night and those that don’t have a recording contract already.
    Hopefully, there won’t be too many cancellations.

  • Mary102

    Yvonne13:
    07/04/2010 at 2:07 am
    LukkiStar, I have to play off of what you said. I think Adam has set some kind of standard for the show. He is quite different, quite the performer, and if given the choice, many folks who are big fans of his will gravitate to his show.

    Seriously, I didn’t expect to say this going into S9, but now I fully believe that he broke idol for me. His mentoring and guest performance only made it worse. I just couldn’t really get into any of the year’s group compared to him and what he’s able to bring to the stage, it was just so boring in comparison. And I’m definitely in the group that wants to spend tons of money on his show this year (I’ve already seen it several times), rather than on the idol tour.

  • Elliegrll

    The ratings for this season started off strong, so nobody “broke” the show. Given the decline in ratings as the season wore on, and the lack of votes, it was clear that people just weren’t into this year’s group. They started off on the wrong note during the Semifinal round, and it only got worse from there. In the past, there have always been the Tim’s, the second tier performers, and the front runners. There have also been people who stood out for getting better as the season wore on. But this year it seemed like everyone was in the middle, and nobody really improved from the semin final round to the last week of the show. AI is a show that thrives on people forming an emotional connection with the contestants, and that’s hard to do when nobody stands out, and when the focus is on the judges and everything else, except the contestants.

    This years group is talented, but I agree with the idea that they really didn’t do anything to endear themselves to people, nor did they act like they were trying to win, or become better at their craft. That’s why the voting wasn’t as passionate as it has been in the past. People go to the concerts and buy the studio and debut albums as a reminder of the season, but there was nothing too memorable about this season.

  • mozart4898

    Okay, first of all…this thread seems to have rapidly spiraled into “S9 just wasn’t as good as the others” and “Adam this” and “David and David” that. I’ll admit up front, again, I haven’t seen every episode of every season (far from it in fact) but S9 for me was just as good as any I’ve seen, except that I was really dissatisfied with the winner (should have been a top 3 of Casey, Crystal, and Mike, IMO). I would take Casey, Crystal, and Mike (as well as several of the others) over a number of other seasons’ best offerings. (I like them as a group better than the two Davids, and also better than Kris/Adam/Danny, although I do appreciate all of those I’ve mentioned already too.) Different people DO have different musical tastes – I enjoy hearing people who are excellent pure musicians/singers. I’m not 100% thrilled by Casey’s voice but I started to see something with him during the latter half or so of the season that I really do like (as have many others). I really don’t buy into the idea that this season was that awful, at all. This season really was more of the singer/songwriter bent, and not nearly as heavy on the vocal pyrotechnics and showmanship (although it’s there, I’m telling you – Crystal, Mike, Aaron, Siobhan, Katie…they’re all capabile of those sorts of things if you want).

    2nd…the economy. I don’t know where everyone else on here is actually from, but for those of you who live in areas not hit as bad by it – this recession/double-dip recession/depression is no joke for probably 3/4 of this country. When I heard that they got something like 8,000 at what was basically the de facto Detroit concert, I was dumbfounded. Sales are bad? Not at all, by those numbers. There are many, MANY people across this country who aren’t sure how they’re going to feed themselves or keep a roof over their head, and I think a lot of people forget about that when it comes to things like this tour. Of course, being a native Ohioan (and coincidentally a Cavaliers, Indians, and Browns fan…oh come on LeBron, for god’s sakes, don’t leave), doesn’t it figure the first AI tour concert ever cancelled from the sounds of it was in Cleveland. Just one more little feather in the “mistake on the lake” cap. (Actually for those who have never been there, Cleveland is a beautiful city – great restaurants, nightlife, the best orchestra in the world by many accounts, museums…I’ve been to a number of big cities and at least in the midwest, Cleveland more than holds its own, but that’s another topic.)

    I feel for the performers, really (yes, begrudgingly, even Lee). This doesn’t reflect on them well when shows start getting cancelled, no matter what else is/was going on behind the scenes as well. I really almost feel like in part some of this was brought on by so many people living so much in the S8 past and comparing everyone to Adam. Yes, he broke the AI mold in many ways, and yes, he’s good (and I don’t mind listening to him now and then). However, for me personally (and I make up my own mind when it comes to music), there are probably 3-4 singers from this year I’d prefer to him. Does that make me wrong? I also feel for the fans in the cities who really were looking forward to these concerts and then end up seeing them cancelled or moved to another date that they may not be able to make. Who knows whether or not they’ll ever be able to see their favorite in concert again…there’s no guarantee of anything. Even say Lee or Crystal ends up recording a ton of albums and tours the country several times – maybe someone in Buffalo really wanted to see them but that concert ends up getting cancelled or moved to when they can’t go, and they never go back. Maybe a 16 year old saved money they made from working a job themselves to buy a ticket and that concert got cancelled. I agree with the person(s) who said, in the end – TPTB make plenty off of them to begin with. Close off sections of the venue, maybe even move it to a smaller one…but cancelling shows? Don’t do it. In the end cancelling won’t help anyone – not the performers, not the fans…and eventually, not the franchise itself either. Find a way to make sure the show goes on.

  • smartalek

    Last year I really wanted to go to the tour because of Adam. (Of course I didn’t go b/c I never actually go to any concerts.) I really wanted to see this year’s Glee concert (but again, I didn’t go). At the last sec., I really wanted to go to Adam’s Glam Nation tour (but of course, I didn’t go.) I don’t even desire to see the AI 9 tour (and probably wouldn’t even go if it were free). I really wish either Adam or Glee would make more appearances in NYC b/c I’d still like to see those tours. And yeah I think Adam was the major draw last year. S7 was a well-liked ensemble group and had the Davids so I’m not surprised that tour was a good seller (I think I even gave a tiny bit of thought to going to that tour but obviously I didn’t go). A lot of the other AI tours were not such big sellers.
    S9 was expectedly IMO not going to be a popular seller and it doesn’t suprise me at all that TBTB are cancelling dates.
    My point is AI is a desperately sinking ship and I only watched S9 for nostalgia reasons. The contestants were worse than the judging panel this season and the judging panel was pretty bad: Simon had lost all heart for the gig and looked bored out of his mind while the rest of the panel isn’t even worth discussing.

    @Mozart4948, I definitely am firmly convinced the S9 cast was lackluster in terms of talent and this doesn’t just have to do with Adam comparisons. The S7 cast also outclasses the S9 cast by a mile. The S9 cast were extremely spotty in their live performances; they gave weak performances. The best really were Crystal and Lee. At least Crystal was on-key in her live performance; however all of her performances sounded the same, and how much appeal does Gospel singing have to mainstream America? For that reason, Lee actually deserved to beat her since at least his appeal is general. But the WGWG thing is soooo old for AI (3 WGWG winners, gag me! And each was inferior in talent to the one before). Lee really was “off-key.” Lee’s only saving grace is a respectable/decent recording voice and IMO he will only sell records if he gets great radio ready songs. My point here, is that the rest of the cast sang so badly live for much of the season to the point that is it perfectly reasonable that hardly anybody would pay to see them live on tour. (Free on TV was more than enough.)

  • mozart4898

    And I definitely am firmly convinced the S9 cast was lackluster in terms of talent. It was okay in terms of personalities and this doesn’t just have to do with Adam. The S9 cast were extremely spotty in their live performances; they gave weak performances. The best really were Crystal and Lee. At least Crystal was on-key in her live performance; however they all sounded the same, and how much appeal does Gospel singing have on mainstream America. For that reason, Lee actually deserved to beat her since at least his appeal is general. But the WGWG thing is soooo old for AI (3 WGWG winner, gag me and each was inferior in talent to the one before) and Lee really was “off-key.” Lee’s only saving grace is a respectable/decent recording voice and IMO he will only sell records if he gets great radio ready songs. My point here, is that the rest of the cast sang so badly live for much of the season to the point that is it perfectly reasonable that hardly anybody would pay to see them live on tour. (Free on TV was more than enough.)

    See…this is just what I was saying in my post though. To me, this season was more than satisfying. Not only am I a huge Crystal fan, but I find several of the others to be excellent singers/musicians as well. I got goosebumps (and cried several times) listening to Crystal week after week. Mike, as much as a lot of people apparently didn’t like him, was consistently good and almost every week I liked his performance (at times it was a bit of a guilty pleasure…but come on, who doesn’t like cheese now and then?) Aaron was almost always “almost there.” No, that’s not perfection, but you talk about someone with a growth arc, he seemed to be the one who was really truly growing on the show. That kid has a great voice and if he’s doing the right music will be really good. Casey’s voice itself isn’t overwhelming at all…but the musicianship underlying him as a whole is almost palpabile and from reviews, those of us who have thought that weren’t wrong. Siobhan…I really almost never “liked” and yet, there was just something fascinating about her. Maybe it was the fact that you knew what potential there was, you just weren’t quite sure if/when it would happen. (Notice I didn’t mention Lee. To me, Lee should have gone out just after Andrew or something like that…but I guess he appealed to the tweens or something early on and then the pimping when the iTunes numbers were seen was enough from there.)

    Now, as far as the tour? I’ve never been to one before. I really almost don’t want to go on one hand just because I can’t stand hearing Lee introduced as the winner (…let me tell you, Toledo is very partisan to Crystal, I’m not sure how well that’ll go over anyways). But on the other hand, I 10000% believe in that girl making it. People said Adam was the 2nd coming (in more or less words), well, I won’t quite say the same about Crystal but I sure think she could do big things, and I don’t want to miss the chance to see her (I’m living in that Idol fantasy world where my favorite’s winning “best new artist” awards next spring, going multiplatinum, and selling out a headlining tour, and I’m saying “I told you so”). And Casey, Mike, Aaron, heck, even Siobhan, Katie and Tim are just icing on the cake. I’ll reserve judgment on Didi and Andrew until I hear more. And Lee…get to work buddy. I’m not sure how Toledo will accept you. We’ll see.

    ETA – Anyways, I’m sorry – I’ve led this off into something more like a S9 vs. all other seasons fanwar, and I’m not meaning to do that. I’m basically just saying that there ARE some people out here who didn’t consider S9 to be void of talent, not at all. In fact to me, as someone who was a casual viewer until this year, this season was pretty similar to past seasons in terms of overall talent – not better OR worse.

  • Grammie Kari

    Even with the poor sales, couldn’t they just close off parts of the venues and still have the show.

    This is what they did at the Palace, and it didn’t look bad at all. The concert is entertaining and the Idols did such a nice job! I am in total shock.

    Now if TPTB care about the Idols, they ought to step up advertising by showing a 20 second clip of an Idol in the city/state they represent. Show the people how good most of them are. Everyone is doing better than on the show.

    Siobhan has become a Rocker Grrrl; Casey is opening up and having a great time working the guitars; Aaron is surprising the audience with confidence; Michael is doing his Soul singing with heart; Crystal is singing some good tunes; Lee is moving around and showing confidence, etc.

    Yes, big name stars are canceling tours and the economy is horrible, but I believe the tour can be saved if TPTB really care.

  • Grammie Kari

    This review seems to indicate that many people left for Lee. Is that true?

    Yes, J9BT this is true. I mentioned that to my daughter, and I don’t recall that happening for David Cook in Season 9. A few had young children with them, but most were adults.

    Some fans suggested leaving early to get to the buses to meet the Idols. Please don’t do this! It looks really bad, as if people are rejecting Lee. Plus, they miss out on a good finale! I didn’t mention this in my review as I didn’t want it to seem like a put down to Lee.

    The concert was 165 minutes and it was well worth the time and effort to attend! TPTB need to do something besides cancel the tour dates. I am sure this will result in a cut in pay for the Idols. Less exposure is not good for those unsigned.

    I loved the spirit and excitement of the first show.

  • karenc

    Elliegrll:
    07/04/2010 at 2:57 am
    The ratings for this season started off strong, so nobody “broke” the show. Given the decline in ratings as the season wore on, and the lack of votes, it was clear that people just weren’t into this year’s group. They started off on the wrong note during the Semifinal round, and it only got worse from there. In the past, there have always been the Tim’s, the second tier performers, and the front runners. There have also been people who stood out for getting better as the season wore on. But this year it seemed like everyone was in the middle, and nobody really improved from the semin final round to the last week of the show. AI is a show that thrives on people forming an emotional connection with the contestants, and that’s hard to do when nobody stands out, and when the focus is on the judges and everything else, except the contestants.

    This years group is talented, but I agree with the idea that they really didn’t do anything to endear themselves to people, nor did they act like they were trying to win, or become better at their craft. That’s why the voting wasn’t as passionate as it has been in the past. People go to the concerts and buy the studio and debut albums as a reminder of the season, but there was nothing too memorable about this season.

    I agree with what you’re saying. I think this years group was more inexperienced and less charismatic than some from the past couple of years. I do think, though that in part this is because of the type of performer they had, since most singer songwriters tend to be low key and serious. But as a result no one really stood out this year.

    I also have thought for some time that the show was cast this year with less experienced contestants so that no one would really stick out in the beginning, but would grow during the show. And I think this did happen to some extent but not enough to stand out.

    The judging was a problem, too, it took too much of the focus away from contestants, and I think that part of the reason the contestants didn’t show much growth was conflicting advice from judges. Like they were told to do something different with a song, make it their own, but when someone did that in the early rounds, they were told not to do it, without really being told what was wrong with what they did. Maybe for a performer with more experience and confidence it wouldn’t have mattered.

    I also think that it’s ok that they had less experienced or different kinds of contestants this year. But if you do this, you can’t have the same expectations. I think that is part of what is hurting the view of this years contestants is that people have the expectations of what is going to happen based on the past. And I’m not saying that no one has the potential to do well in the music business, it might not happen right way or to the same extent as others.

  • renataamelo

    So late for the party but I have a say in this. Coming from a country where economic issues are a ordinary thing, I really don´t think that economy is the reason why people are not buying tickets. If the interest is there, they´ll manage. Especially, when is a once in a lifetime thing. This is the summer tour for this season, this group of people won´t be together touring once is over, so you either go or you miss the oportunity. And that´s why people would buy tickets even in rough times.

    For exemple, if Adam comes to Brazil someday (or any other artist that I really really like), I´ll probably have to spend around U$$ 1.500,00 (ticket, hotel, airplane tickets) to go to the city he´ll probably be at (Rio or São Paulo). Can I afford this? No really, but this is problably the only chance I´ll have to see him… so I´ll manage.

    I guees it´s all about interest. And the problem with this season is that they´re not interesting at all. At least for me.

  • sallysimmons

    Eh. The only people not canceling shows this year are the people playing little venues (3,000 and less), Lady Gaga and the old bands whose audience has money.

    I feel bad for most of the kids, but I’m happy for Lee if this means the tour gets shortened a bit. It’s just a big waste of time for the winner and the runner-up. They need to be writing and recording and planning their real career, not playing covers for a bunch of people who won’t remember their names 12 months from now.

  • offside

    I feel so bad for these kids. Yes, times are tough; smaller venues
    at cheaper prices would have been a better option from the start.
    i don’t know anyone attending the Glee tour, either, so it is somewhat across the board. I hope they are able to work something out; these kids don’t need any more negative press than they have already endured.

  • Elliegrll

    I agree with what you’re saying. I think this years group was more inexperienced and less charismatic than some from the past couple of years. I do think, though that in part this is because of the type of performer they had, since most singer songwriters tend to be low key and serious. But as a result no one really year. stood out this

    Being low key had nothing to do with Crystal’s refusal to change things up, until the final three, or most of her songs sounding the same. Or, Lee’s refusal to at least attempt to sing in key. Michael Lynch’s refusal to stop acting like he’s sold a million records already, or stop acting like he’s performing in a high school musical. Andrew Garcia’s total meltdown, and totally forgetting that he can sing other things besides “Straight Up.” Katie Stevens being a pageant bot. Siobhan and Didi also thinking they are doing musical theater. And I can go on. One of the biggest problems is that they were all raw, even though they are talented, but it was like they didn’t even try to do anything to improve, and the AI audience just doesn’t like that.

    Eh. The only people not canceling shows this year are the people playing little venues (3,000 and less)

    Rihanna isn’t playing small venues, and she had to cancel some shows. Christina did too. There was an article a few weeks ago about how much trouble Live Nation is in. The month without fees, and so many canceled shows is hurting them, so it’s not a surprise that they would cancel or reschedule some of these AI shows.

  • Margaux

    well, call me stupid, but I honestly believe that Paula’s leaving has had a lot to do with it – she had an eye for talent…….

    I totally agree with What they said. From the day she left, I said that if they don’t replace her with a judge with Paula’s intuitive sense of talent, the show would suffer.

    I buy a ticket to the AI Tour if the top 5 add up to a live show I want to see. In Season 7, I knew from top 7 that I needed to see the show live, from Carly on up — especially Carly and Mr. Cook. Was not an Archie fan, but knew he was massively talented.

    For season 8, the top 5 pleased me. I really wanted to see Matt and Allison, Again, not an Adam fan, but knew he would be amazing live.

    This year, the only ones I would go see live would be Crystal and Casey – but not in an arena setting. If they come around next summer for club or fair dates, I’m there.

    And yes, I bought tickets to see Adam in August, hoped to see Kelly C at Lilith, and get to see Taylor in a classy joint at the beach in Maine in 3 weeks.

  • springboard

    Yes, J9BT this is true. I mentioned that to my daughter, and I don’t recall that happening for David Cook in Season 9.

    I remember that it happened for David Cook, there was pics of people leaving during Billie Jean. It happened last year for Kris as well, I think.

  • Grammie Kari

    Thanks, Springboard!

  • MrDuffin

    The biggest problem I saw with S9 was the list of songs the contestants had to choose from and the fact (IMO) that the best did not win…..again. I’m sorry but tween girls don’t know squat about good music! Kris and Lee are no where near the talent of the two runner ups but won with the tween votes. Look at the makeup of the audience at the live shows for proof of what I say.

  • PRMari

    Just to say…Season 8 was more than just Adam, just saying. The talent level and personality overall was fantastic. Say what you want but last year’s Top 5 ALL put on showstopping performances.

  • Elliegrll

    I also think that it’s ok that they had less experienced or different kinds of contestants this year. But if you do this, you can’t have the same expectations. I think that is part of what is hurting the view of this years contestants is that people have the expectations of what is going to happen based on the past.

    I agree with this. This group reminded me of the early years of the show, before the age limit was raised to 28. I think the show should have highlighted that this group was so raw and inexperienced, I think that’s something that would have endeared this group to viewers, but viewers would still have expected them to improve from one week to the next.

    I remember that it happened for David Cook, there was pics of people leaving during Billie Jean. It happened last year for Kris as well, I think.

    People leave concerts early for many different reasons, at more than two hours, it’s understandable that people might not be able to stay for the whole show. And of course last year we had some fan bases who felt the need to make their displeasure over who won known by either tweeting that people left early even if they weren’t at the show, or by actually doing so if the were in attendance.

  • Buderschnookie

    I agree that 19 could easily bankroll this tour out of the profits from Season 9 of Idol if it wanted to. And this does not necessarily mean forcing the Top 10 to play in empty arenas. They could try $1 tickets or even free tickets to get bodies into seats. If that doesn’t work, they can offer more incentives to the public to attend like free snacks, free tour merchandise or the chance to win big cash or other prizes for attending the concert. I just think that with the money 19 has made from Idol and which it will continue to make for years to come, it is really short sighted and stingy to cancel/reschedule dates as it has been doing and damage the Idol brand in the process.

    Now that’s amusing!
    In what possible world does it make any sense at all for 19 to “bankroll” a tour?
    Long story short they are in business to make money, and bankrolling a losing game makes no sense.

    Their past profits have nothing to do with it, they certainly don’t feel as if they “owe” the Idols anything after giving them television exposure, and the Idol “image” still makes them tons of cash as a reality show.

    And never lose sight of the fact that this is what it is all about- a reality show.
    The tours, the albums, and all the associated Idol goings on are just flotsam- the show is the money and that is where their interests lie.

    If they are losing money on a tour they will do whatever they have to do to stop the bleeding. How it affects the Idols is not that big a deal to them, and the tour audiences are a tiny fraction of a percentage of the television viewers.

    The reason it is losing money is largely immaterial and can be argued to kingdom come, but I think we can all agree that it is a multi-faceted issue.
    The fact remains that interest is low and they are simply cutting their losses.

  • lorismile

    I don’t think it’s just the economy. There is zero buzz around these contestants. Nothing for the fans to get excited about. I’m not talking fans on the boards here, but real life fans.

    It will be really interesting to see how well Lee and Crystal’s album sales go. It doesn’t bode well based on their sales after the Idol finale, and now the tour news.

  • AdamBigFan

    MrDuffin – I’m sorry but tween girls don’t know squat about good music! Kris and Lee are no where near the talent of the two runner ups but won with the tween votes.

    Disagree totally. I’m a tween fan for Adam. In fact I believe all AI frontrunners have massive tween fanbase. There must be a lot of tween fans for Adam, Kris, Lee, and Crystal. There is no need to put blames on tweens, or to get Adam and Kris involved in your defense.

  • Jx223

    I think that one of the biggest reasons these shows are getting cancelled/moved around is because of the lack of interest in this year’s contestants. As a group they aren’t that interesting or that talented, IMHO. (Even though I like Casey).

    The interest isn’t there. One example is the level of participation in the concert threads. I think that last year some of the concert threads, had over 1,000 posts in them. The last couple of concert threads for Season 9 haven’t even had 100 posts in them. People don’t care about this season as much as they cared about past seasons.

    And while I do understand that interest in Idol could be faltering because the show is aging, I also think it’s due to the lack of interest in the contestants this season. I hope next season can possibly rebound like seasons 4,5,7, and 8 did after the weak seasons of 3 and 6.

  • steph6449

    This group reminded me of the early years of the show, before the age limit was raised to 28. I think the show should have highlighted that this group was so raw and inexperienced, I think that’s something that would have endeared this group to viewers, but viewers would still have expected them to improve from one week to the next.

    One thing that struck me this past season was that the judges were quite harsh raising a lot of questions about “what artist are you” etc that I don’t remember from previous seasons so early on. And when many of these people are (and should be, given the nature of the show) inexperienced, that was a lot of expectation to put on them early. Vs. judging them more on whether they gave effective performances of songs reasonably suited to their vocal styles.

    In other years, seemed to me the “what kind of artist are you” and other higher-level criticisms came closer to the closing line of the show, or not even then. I don’t remember Adam ever being pressed on that, with the result that a lot of people thought he would be a rocker when his interests turned out to be more pop/dance oriented. And no one pressured Danny on it. Kris was more straightforward in that regard as he showed a narrower style range on the show; Allison also didn’t need that question as she was clearly rocker-chick. Maybe Matt got it the most that I recall last year.

    Anyway, all that harsh early critiquing before the AI9 finalists had established their identities with the audience tended to depress the mood of the show, caused some contestants to wilt or get confused, and wasn’t constructive at that point in the season.

    Certainly as a viewer, it was a turnoff for me. It was a big reason I never got into the season, and so never found anyone who would bring me out to go to the tour, as I did last year for the first time. (Mostly to see Danny and Adam, but also the rest of the top 10 several of whom I liked). After a while, I really started to feel sorry for the finalists and angry at the judges. Mid-season, seemed the judges were overcompensating for the downer mood earlier on, and got a lot easier on them, almost ridiculously so in certain cases when they would lavish niceness on obviously mediocre performances. For AI10, hope they find a better balance.

  • Jx223

    This group reminded me of the early years of the show, before the age limit was raised to 28.

    I agree. It’s reminiscent of seasons 1-3, without the talent being as strong as the talent those early seasons produced.

    I think that after seasons 7 and 8 when the judges focused a lot on “artistry” and contestants “making songs their own” by rearranging them, a lot of people weren’t ready to go back to a season like the early seasons. Where the contestants are more inexperienced and didn’t really focus on those things.

  • JudyL

    Idol depends on us caring about the contestants as people, that’s why they spend so much time talking about their backgrounds – often annoyingly too much time – what was it Lee did for a living before Idol? So of course we get upset when we think they’re getting a bad deal. We’re not so dumb as to not know that, yeah, it’s a business. But I think this whole tour cancellations, rescheduling deal sucks and I feel badly for the contestants. I don’t give a rat’s ass about 19 or TPTB at Idol. And they are probably doing a lot of damage for the future of Idol in the way this is being handled. Well, actually probably the entire tour business is going to suffer from all these cancellations, etc. But the Idol tour is the one I care about.

  • ross

    That “Adam broke the show” stuff is absurd to me. I voted for Kris for all of season 8 and had/have little interest in Adam as a performer. Yet I also didn’t get into season 9. For me there was no one as good as Kris on season 9. But he didn’t break the show for me. The show just sucked. The finalists had very little charisma onstage or off. The mentors weren’t as good as last year’s. The themes each week were boring. The judges lacked chemistry. The guest judges at the start of the season were a bad idea that made the show seem to lack cohesion (just Randy, Kara, and Simon would have been fine until Ellen came on board). The music sucked because most of them couldn’t sing on key, and/or lacked musical chops, perfomance chops, or connection to the audience. Crystal, Casey, and (I guess) Lee (though I don’t get it) were the only decent performers in the Top 10, and possibly Mike. Siobhan didn’t fulfill what people saw in her at the start. Also, some good people like Katelyn, Lilly, and Alex went too soon.

    I saw several great guys in the Top 100 who didn’t make the cut. I don’t get it. They were better than some of the guys who did. I suspected they wanted a girl to win this year and deliberately screwed over some good guys. The gender split didn’t help either gender, because weak perfomers from of both genders got through.

    Also, I have to add that the show treating Adam as if he won, and giving him more attention than the winner, ruined all credibility the show had, because everything about the show is set up to make you CARE about who wins. Every week, that’s what the competition is about. I’m not talking about after the show ends, I’m talking about the show as a show. As someone who voted my ass off for the winner (and there obviously were a majority of us) I just felt the show lost all credibility in my eyes. I ceased to care. And I bet I’m not alone.

    The show has to mean what it purports to mean. If it seems meaningless who wins, the show does not have a successful premise and it becomes a joke.

    (This is not an anti-Adam statement, it’s an anti-show statement, so please nobody get all in my face about it. It’s just my opinion and I felt I had to voice it.)

  • Cyndee

    The American Idol COMPANY screwed up!!
    I blame #1 – the production staff of this show, primarily the judges who simply did not know what would sell and – as stated by Chris Ford on another blog ~ “no past season had judges working so hard to discredit so many.” #2- Lack of marketing research to know competition (such as Glee concerts),economy factors, and overall acceptance of this year’s performers, and #3 – had they done their research, they’d have booked smaller venues that had a chance to sell out.

  • soverymel

    And they are probably doing a lot of damage for the future of Idol in the way this is being handled.

    I don’t really think so. It’s easy to forget what a small fraction of the Idol audience the Idol tour concertgoers are, and the online Idolsphere portion of that is even tinier. Odds are good that the majority of people who watch the show won’t have any clue what happened. I watched the show on and off since the first season, and while I know I must have seen ads for the tour, they never really impinged on my consciousness, I was the very definition of a casual watcher. It was only last year that I got pulled into the show deeper, and was surprised as hell that the top 10 had a 50 city tour during the summer. And when I got tickets and started talking about going, with the exception of two girls at work, everyone else in my life that I told about it was as surprised as I was that there was actually a tour.

    If TPTB can juggle the dates so that the remaining 40-45 or whatever they end up with are reasonably filled, so the media doesn’t blow it out of proportion, the majority of casual watchers will never even know about it.

  • Grammie Kari

    Indeed, Idol has to take some responsibility for the so-called lack of interest in these Idols.

    Anyway, all that harsh early critiquing before the AI9 finalists had established their identities with the audience tended to depress the mood of the show, caused some contestants to wilt or get confused, and wasn’t constructive at that point in the season.

    This needs to be repeated. Judging not knowing who you are is rubbish. That is part of the growth process, and comments from the judges confused them and the viewing audience. Whether you liked Siobhan or not, she was interesting and should not have left so soon.

    I am so happy I got to see the first concert and don’t have to worry about the event being cancelled or moved. I am sorry for the fans and so sorry for the Idols. JudyL is right they are probably doing damage for this tour and the future of Idol.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    steph6449:
    07/04/2010 at 10:21 am

    One thing that struck me this past season was that the judges were quite harsh raising a lot of questions about “what artist are you” etc that I don’t remember from previous seasons so early on. And when many of these people are (and should be, given the nature of the show) inexperienced, that was a lot of expectation to put on them early. Vs. judging them more on whether they gave effective performances of songs reasonably suited to their vocal styles.

    In other years, seemed to me the “what kind of artist are you” and other higher-level criticisms came closer to the closing line of the show, or not even then. I don’t remember Adam ever being pressed on that, with the result that a lot of people thought he would be a rocker when his interests turned out to be more pop/dance oriented. And no one pressured Danny on it. Kris was more straightforward in that regard as he showed a narrower style range on the show; Allison also didn’t need that question as she was clearly rocker-chick. Maybe Matt got it the most that I recall last year.

    Anyway, all that harsh early critiquing before the AI9 finalists had established their identities with the audience tended to depress the mood of the show, caused some contestants to wilt or get confused, and wasn’t constructive at that point in the season.

    Certainly as a viewer, it was a turnoff for me. It was a big reason I never got into the season, and so never found anyone who would bring me out to go to the tour, as I did last year for the first time. (Mostly to see Danny and Adam, but also the rest of the top 10 several of whom I liked). After a while, I really started to feel sorry for the finalists and angry at the judges. Mid-season, seemed the judges were overcompensating for the downer mood earlier on, and got a lot easier on them, almost ridiculously so in certain cases when they would lavish niceness on obviously mediocre performances. For AI10, hope they find a better balance.

    I totally agree. The judges shouldn’t be that harsh in the semifinals. I always thought that the contestants need some time to adjust to the idol stage. In the beginning, I just want to be able to distinguish great and good singers from average and bad singers. I don’t really care if they know who they are as an artist and all that stupidity. Just let them sing, even if they do straight covers with no changes.
    This year, the judges successfully killed the confidence of the majority of contestants in the semifinals.

    I prefer big voices, especially on singing competitions like Idol and X Factor. So, I wasn’t exactly thrilled to see so many singer/songwriter types in TOP 24. But I still had hopes that this could be a decent season. My favorite Idol ever is Adam and I didn’t expect anyone as good as him, but still. I liked Janell, Ashley, Joe, Michelle, John Park, Todrick, Katelyn, even Alex. None of them made it from the semifinals. That left me with Paige, Katie, Siobhan and Big Mike. Yeah, what a year. Everything went wrong this season.

  • Elliegrll

    This year, the judges successfully killed the confidence of the majority of contestants in the semifinals.

    I agree with this to a certain degree. These people are want to enter a profession where they will be judged and criticized all of the time, so if they can’t take the criticism on AI, how are they going to take it when they enter the real world. Kris Allen dealt with a lot of criticism during his season, but that didn’t stop him from being himself, nor did he give up. The same is true of plenty of other winners and contestants who came through the show. Once Kris said that the contestants have to realize that the judges say some things because they make for good television, so the contestants need to learn how to judge the criticism and tell what’s real, and what’s just for the cameras.

    To be honest, I think most of these people know what style fit them best, but they were more concerned with pleasing the judges, and doing what they thought the audience would like, so they failed. Contestants fall into this trap every season, but this season it was like every single person in the top 24 let the show define them and beat them.

    They don’t need to come onto the show knowing exactly who they are, but they need to be comfortable enough in their abilities where they don’t allow the show, the judges, or the media to dictate to them who they are, or what they should do, and where they allow themselves to learn and get better.

  • Caden

    This year, the judges successfully killed the confidence of the majority of contestants in the semifinals.

    This happens every year. It was much harsher in the early seasons and they survived it just fine. I think we are looking for excuses and blaming everything except the contestants for not lighting a fire under the viewing audience. It was a meh season. That is all there is to it.

  • anemicandholding

    If any of the kids suffered from lacking confidence, it’s not the judges’ fault. It’s their own for not having the snuff to deal with it. Simon called David Cook smug and pompous to his face. He openly told girls in the second season that they were too fat to be there. Kris was told that it was unfair that Danny got kicked off before him because he was a better singer than him. Allison and Carly Smithson had entire performance shrugged off because the judges didn’t like what they were wearing.

    The only person that had to deal with that kind of stuff this year was Tim. He knew how to take it in stride and deal with the criticism that was given to him. Comparatively, the rest of the cast was totally babied. Crystal forgot words, bust into tears at the end of the song, and once she started getting heavily praised by the judges, never tried to improve or change her style. The judges didn’t seem to care. Lee was out of tune every single week, but from the beginning Simon told him it didn’t matter because he believed in him and wanted him to succeed. He continued to not sing in tune and eventually the judges just decided they didn’t care if he was ever in tune because they loved him so much as a person and he was the heart of the show. Casey was told he was the greatest instrumentalist who had ever been on the show. (I like Casey, but seriously?)

    These kids were totally pampered. One of the reasons they had so much trouble as they did is because they weren’t given an incentive to do better. They knew if they came in and gave a mediocre performance, they wouldn’t be called on it.

  • karenc

    Being low key had nothing to do with Crystal’s refusal to change things up, until the final three, or most of her songs sounding the same. Or, Lee’s refusal to at least attempt to sing in key. Michael Lynch’s refusal to stop acting like he’s sold a million records already, or stop acting like he’s performing in a high school musical. Andrew Garcia’s total meltdown, and totally forgetting that he can sing other things besides “Straight Up.” Katie Stevens being a pageant bot. Siobhan and Didi also thinking they are doing musical theater. And I can go on. One of the biggest problems is that they were all raw, even though they are talented, but it was like they didn’t even try to do anything to improve, and the AI audience just doesn’t like that.

    I agree that many of the contestants didn’t improve that much during the year and this was part of the problem. Many seemed to peak at Hollywood week. I get a sense that some thought they didn’t need to improve, because some of the judges comments were the same things that you mentioned above. Or just didn’t understand how.

    I do think that in the earlier seasons, when the contestants were more inexperienced,and even when they aren’t, what did show through was charisma and a willingness to improve.

  • JudyL

    Tour goers are saying the performances are much better than they were on the show. These kids are gaining fans on the tour. I can remember past seasons when tour goers complained that some of the performances were disappointing and and not as good as on the show. I haven’t seen any comments like that this season.

    I’m on the side that there was something definitely wrong with how the top 10 were handled this season. Some of it you could see on the show with the idiot judges. We are all aware of the show having their chosen ones to the detriment of the other contestants but it was more blatant this season to the point that they were praising off-key performances. Past seasons, some contestants seem to have an over inflated opinion of their talent but this season the contestants seem to be beaten down as the show progressed.

    I’m not saying that this tour could be successful considering how badly all tours are doing and taking into account that there just was not as much interest this year. But the more I read and the more I think about it, I cannot blame the contestants. This tour was scheduled by ‘show biz professionals’ who had enough information to do a much better job planning.

  • karenc

    The interest isn’t there. One example is the level of participation in the concert threads. I think that last year some of the concert threads, had over 1,000 posts in them. The last couple of concert threads for Season 9 haven’t even had 100 posts in them. People don’t care about this season as much as they cared about past seasons.

    I’ve noticed this too, on this and other boards. Even the cellcasts there are far fewer people. Though this may be due to other factors, also. I remember last year there easily being thousands of people but this year being not even 100.

  • steph6449

    My point wasn’t that there was criticism, it was that it was criticism about things that were unreasonable expectations early in the season given the whole premise of the show about bringing in inexperienced aspiring vocalists and putting them through a star-marking bootcamp experience.

    If you ask them at the beginning what kind of recording artist they are supposed to be, it assumes that they are in a professional mindset at that point in time. Which doesn’t make a lot of sense for the idea that the show is about giving people chances. It will make even less sense when the show wants to skew to teen performers next year.

    Criticism if they can’t sing properly, or present a bad appearance on stage, to me is fair at any point in the competition. In fact, in my earlier post that got quoted, one of my points was that later in the season they inexplicably started giving them all a pass no matter how off-key or otherwise offputting some of the performances were. Those extremes in the criticism, across the whole panel, didn’t work for me, at all, this year. It made it difficult to relate to the performers who early on, were really getting ripped up by the judges IMO, not just critiqued. And I assume it had some negative effect on the performers as they went thru the process.

  • 123abc456

    “unreasonable expectations early”

    They have always critiqued performers on what kind of artist that they are and what they wanted to become. Simon voted against David Cook making it through on Hollywood week. Paula and Randy voted him through. In other words he was not treated with kid gloves by the judges. He was openly critical of Kelly Clarkson as well. So “Harsh” treatment did not start this year. It has been around since the beginning of he show.

  • Eriko

    I have a strong feeling, that the people here who criticize this season contestants would have also criticized the singer/songwriters that I listen to today, if they´d been on the show before getting famous. To name a few, Sting, Van Morrison, Billy Joel, Norah Jones, Tracy Chapman, Peter Gabriel, Cold Play, Cat Stevens, Dire Straits etc etc. All a bunch of dull and talentless people compared to last seasons, right!

  • wellhesback

    It’s interesting to me that Simon voted against David Cook because he thought he wouldn’t perform well without the guitar. Cook had to prove he could perform without the guitar before he got through Hollywood week. Simon’s criteria obviously seemed to change this season – for whatever reason.
    I agree with Caden – “…I think we are looking for excuses and blaming everything except the contestants for not lighting a fire under the viewing audience. It was a meh season. That is all there is to it.”

  • karenc

    If you ask them at the beginning what kind of recording artist they are supposed to be, it assumes that they are in a professional mindset at that point in time. Which doesn’t make a lot of sense for the idea that the show is about giving people chances. It will make even less sense when the show wants to skew to teen performers next year.

    The thing is, the contestants who have done well after the show in recent years did know who they were as artists when they started on the show. Carrie Underwood was country from the start, Daughtry and Cook, were rock. Adam was so versatile he could go in any direction, but knew where he was going as an artist.

    I think unless you already have an idea where you’re going as an artist, it can’t be defined within a few months of being on the show. Everything happens too quickly, and that this goes back to expectations of what is going to happen after the show. I mean that if you expect to have major artists coming from the show, they need to have a musical identity, performance skills, and experience before being on the show, in order to build from this. Not to say it won’t happen but it won’t be as quick as it has been the past few years. I don’t think someone with less experience or musical identity would be able to headline a sold out tour a year after being on the show. But these again are expectations of what can happen after someone is on the show.

  • karenc

    Eriko:
    07/04/2010 at 1:50 pm
    I have a strong feeling, that the people here who criticize this season contestants would have also criticized the singer/songwriters that I listen to today, if they´d been on the show before getting famous. To name a few, Sting, Van Morrison, Billy Joel, Norah Jones, Tracy Chapman, Peter Gabriel, Cold Play, Cat Stevens, Dire Straits etc etc. All a bunch of dull and talentless people compared to last seasons, right!

    That’s what I was saying before about the type of performer that they had this year being more low key. This type of performer is generally very serious about their music, and are very low key, much like the contestants this year.

  • certain1

    I’m not so sure it was strictly criticism about what kind of artist they were since many of them staked a claim to their artistic vision from the get go, it was more what are you going to do with it. If you are claiming to be an artistic singer/sonwriter coming out and doing straight up rote version of songs that have been done to death is not going to cut it. Everyone complained about the song choices but we here time and time again in these post show interviews that they were not limited to just the lists but at times couldn’t get the original artist to clear them. So what do you do then, you seek out different versions of the songs you have available that present you in the best light, something that didn’t happen nearly enough.

    I think the problem then amplified itself as the season wore on as was mention on this board and many others, in how were these singers going to do arena style shows when on television they were rooted to one spot. Imagine sitting in your LR watching the show and seeing Crystal bring out a rug or Casey shift from one foot to the other, then thinking of spending $100 for a ticket. I think many people just opted out.

    Now at this point the tour planners should have made some changes, but it is possible these venues are booked a year in advance with alot of speculation. it also seems they have not done some of the things we have heard in prior years such as bringing in a choregrapher to teach these kids how to use the stage.

  • Jx223

    It was a meh season. That is all there is to it.

    I really do think that this was most of the problem. This season was just a mediocre season. I don’t really think the judges were considerably worse to the contestants than they have been in past seasons.

    For example, IMO, last season Simon and Kara were way too harsh on Anoop. Simon was hard on David Cook early on in Season 7. I actually thought this season Simon was nicer than he’s been before, and I think part of that might have been because Paula left, and he softened a bit to help fill the void of her leaving.

    I do think that maybe a lot of the viewing audience was expecting/hoping for the contestants to be more experienced, more solid in who they were as artists, and that is affecting how people responded to this season.

    I think that after seasons 7 and 8, when there was a lot of emphasis placed on artistry and rearranging songs, people have now come to expect that from the idol contestants. (And the judges expect that as well).

    And when this season ended up being kind of a throwback to the early seasons of Idol, minus the charisma and talent, a lot of people didn’t really like that.

    People like Fantasia, Clay and Ruben didn’t start out as polished professionals, but they could sing and they had charisma, which is something that this season of contestant really lacks,IMO.

  • Jx223

    I have a strong feeling, that the people here who criticize this season contestants would have also criticized the singer/songwriters that I listen to today, if they´d been on the show before getting famous. To name a few, Sting, Van Morrison, Billy Joel, Norah Jones, Tracy Chapman, Peter Gabriel, Cold Play, Cat Stevens, Dire Straits etc etc. All a bunch of dull and talentless people compared to last seasons, right!

    Some of those artists IMO have nice vocal tones and they sing on key most of the time. Which is something that a lot of this seasons’s contestants did not have and do.

    I don’t think the problem was that there were some singer-songwriter types, but that there were too many singer-songwriter types and they weren’t very good. Their vocals and performances were poor, and because the show was stacked with so many of them, a lot of them were eliminated early on.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Anyway, all that harsh early critiquing before the AI9 finalists had established their identities with the audience tended to depress the mood of the show, caused some contestants to wilt or get confused, and wasn’t constructive at that point in the season.

    There has always been harsh criticism, but this year, it seemed more than usual. I don’t know. I think Casey said it best when Ryan asked him at the end of the show if he thought the Judges’ comments were helpful.

    With all due respect, some of your comments weren’t usuable.

    Casey will always be my AI hero after that.

    To me the whole Kara as a cougar lusting after Casey and Ellen and the unripe banana schtick kind of turned me off. I don’t mind the judges’ criticisms as long as they are professional. Even when Simon told Adam people were throwing their TVs out the window because of his ROF performance, at least I felt the criticsm was about the song arrangement and not about Adam as a person. I think when the judging gets too personal it becomes meaningless.

  • batgirl478

    o me, Lee should have gone out just after Andrew or something like that…but I guess he appealed to the tweens

    I’m sorry but tween girls don’t know squat about good music! Kris and Lee are no where near the talent of the two runner ups but won with the tween votes

    OMG I’m so sick of this generalization. I am definitely not a tween and I voted for Lee. And Kris for that matter.

  • HotHotHot

    I have watched AI for years, but this bunch of contestants were so out of tune and boring that I didn’t even bother to vote. Why would I pay money to see them?

  • Jx223

    There has always been harsh criticism, but this year, it seemed more than usual. I don’t know. I think Casey said it best when Ryan asked him at the end of the show what he thought about the Judges comments

    I think that the judges were harder on contestants in past seasons including Seasons 7 and 8. Including Simon with his multiple arrogant/pompous/smug comments that he made towards David Cook, the yanking around of Anoop and harsh way that Kara/Simon/TPTB treated him. And stuff they said/did to other contestants.

    I think they were harsh on Tim, and Andrew somewhat, but other than that I thought that for the most part they weren’t really any harsher than they’ve been in the past towards the contestants. They were decent to Crystal and Lee. They were encouraging to Casey early on, I don’t recall them really mistreating Big Mike. They didn’t really mistreat Aaron etc…

    I don’t think that Ellen was very helpful and I don’t care for Kara. And I did not care for the way she treated Casey.

    I think at least some of the judges could have been more constructive with the contestants, but I don’t think that overall they were really meaner to them, than they were to contestant in past seasons.

  • ohmyra

    Maybe cab fare and a free ticket could get me to go.

  • Kirsten

    That’s what I was saying before about the type of performer that they had this year being more low key. This type of performer is generally very serious about their music, and are very low key, much like the contestants this year.

    There is nothing wrong with being a low key performer. Many low key performers have gone on to tremendous success.

    The problem with Idol this year is that they had too many low key performers. A sprinkling will suffice. They could have used some more “high” key performers (and a few fewer consistently off-key performers). Otherwise, it’s like being served the same dish for every meal. Sure, Siohban broke free of the pack, but she was not enough to dilute the low-key fiesta.

    Usually, Idol offers more variety in their contestants. So, the people who love low-key performances (and Siohban) are happy to attend the tour. All of the people who prefer mid-key, high-key, OTT, etc are staying home because it’s not for them. The Idol tour has always been a smorgasbord of performers. This year, the smorgasbord consists mainly of plain white rice and one hot spicy dish. The lasagna, salad, baked salmon, au gratin potato, shrimp, roast beast, 7-grain bun, cheese plate and dessert buffet crowd have decided to skip it. Sure, the offering may have improved a bit once it went on tour, but how is somebody not on an Idol fan board ever going to hear about that?

    BTW It’s not the Idol’s fault that they are all low-key. It’s the fault of bad casting choices by the producers. It’s their job to ensure variety.

  • Eriko

    I think the problem then amplified itself as the season wore on as was mention on this board and many others, in how were these singers going to do arena style shows when on television they were rooted to one spot. Imagine sitting in your LR watching the show and seeing Crystal bring out a rug or Casey shift from one foot to the other, then thinking of spending $100 for a ticket. I think many people just opted out.

    Tim must have made your day when he did his slide :)

  • Lu

    I think the tour is taking the hit because the show took a hit. I’m not really sure had it been Randy, Paula and Simon judging that we’d see this lack of interest in the tour. Who knows? I think TPTB mucked around with a good thing and now it’s biting them in the butt. AI doesn not need 4 judges. It just takes more time away from the viewers getting to see and know the contestants. AI does not need a comedian. Some of the funny one liners from Ellen were the only feedback some contestants got from her (Mike and Casey’s duet comes to mind)and I think it further diminshed interest in the performers. JMO.

    AI5 is still my favorite because we really got to know the contestants AND they were interesting and different. I was looking at tour numbers on the link that was posted in the thread and it sure looks like AI5 topped them all. I don’t know for sure – only guessing from some of the venues I checked. I still think AI5 is the model. They need to find that formula again and fix the judge situation. What they have now is not working.

  • karenc

    There is nothing wrong with being a low key performer. Many low key performers have gone on to tremendous success.

    I totally agree with this. I didn’t mean there was anything wrong with it, just that it was different.

    The problem with Idol this year is that they had too many low key performers. A sprinkling will suffice. They could have used some more “high” key performers (and a few fewer consistently off-key performers). Otherwise, it’s like being served the same dish for every meal. Sure, Siohban broke free of the pack, but she was not enough to dilute the low-key fiesta.

    Usually, Idol offers more variety in their contestants. So, the people who love low-key performances (and Siohban) are happy to attend the tour. All of the people who prefer mid-key, high-key, OTT, etc are staying home because it’s not for them. The Idol tour has always been a smorgasbord of performers. This year, the smorgasbord consists mainly of plain white rice and one hot spicy dish. The lasagna, salad, baked salmon, au gratin potato, shrimp, roast beast, 7-grain bun, cheese plate and dessert buffet crowd have decided to skip it. Sure, the offering may have improved a bit once it went on tour, but how is somebody not on an Idol fan board ever going to hear about that?

    BTW It’s not the Idol’s fault that they are all low-key. It’s the fault of bad casting choices by the producers. It’s their job to ensure variety.

    I agree that a big part of the problem was there wasn’t enough variety in the contestants. If you didn’t like the singer songwriter type artist, there wasn’t much else to choose from. And even if you do like that type, which I do, it was too much of the same type. Like, I like Brooke White and Kris Allen, but 5 or more of each was too much, especially with less experience, and I think they diluted each other, especially in the semifinals. I do think that Sioban, and even Katie were different, but I don’t think they had quite the experience or popularity to really pull it off.

  • certain1

    Tim must have made your day when he did his slide

    I thought it was silly then but at least he moved off his mark. From the videos I have made it through he is back to one spot on stage.

    This tour is a musical review and should reflect a concert atmosphere not a spelling bee.

    The poster upthread who mentioned all of the high profile singer/songwriters I think is missing the point. None of them started out playing in arenas nor did they play with 7 other of the same type of performers on the same night.

    I think back to all the blues musicians from days past, watch BB King on stage, the man never moves from his chair but he creates an energy that can flow to the back of an arena. Sure none of these kids are at that point but just watching on TV you could see they couldn’t even play to the back of the 500 seat Kodak (?) so how do you put them in a arena. I remember last year they dropped a curtain behind Kris to facilitate the fact that he was not a big stage performer and it brought him forward which helped immensely, where is that this year. If you want to showcase these kind of singers and make people want to see them get them in a comfort zone.

  • Eriko

    Sure none of these kids are at that point but just watching on TV you could see they couldn’t even play to the back of the 500 seat Kodak

    During the finale when Crystal sang with Joe Cocker, I thought she had as much presents as any of the pros there, even a lot more than Chicago, Hall and Oats or the Gibb brothers

  • MrDuffin

    I agree that many of the contestants didn’t improve that much during the year and this was part of the problem. Many seemed to peak at Hollywood week. I get a sense that some thought they didn’t need to improve, because some of the judges comments were the same things that you mentioned above. Or just didn’t understand how.

    I do think that in the earlier seasons, when the contestants were more inexperienced,and even when they aren’t, what did show through was charisma and a willingness to improve.

    The only way some of the S9 contestants can improve is to get away from the “under the thumb” of the AI machine. I would much rather hear Crystal’s original stuff vs the stuff they are making her sing. I can’t believe that some of the previous winners are still singing other folks covers….like Kris……on an album no less!

  • Elliegrll

    I think the problem then amplified itself as the season wore on as was mention on this board and many others, in how were these singers going to do arena style shows when on television they were rooted to one spot. Imagine sitting in your LR watching the show and seeing Crystal bring out a rug or Casey shift from one foot to the other, then thinking of spending $100 for a ticket. I think many people just opted out.

    People can stand in one spot and be entertaining, and they can jump around and act like they are doing musical theater, but still come off as boring. I agree that there needed to be more diversity this season, but I think it would be hard to find anyone who thinks the show lacked from having Toddrick in the top 12. He would have been showy, but just like most of the others, he didn’t know who he was musically, or have a lot of confidence in himself, which is why he was so cocky and fell back on his musical theater background, instead of just singing the songs to the best of his ability.

    For me, that was the problem, stand, move, or whatever, but put the focus on the song, and sing it so that it can actually make the audience feel like voting and supporting you. That’s where these people failed. They were too scared to do anything, and didn’t even try to get better. It was like they were just focused on getting the words out, but that’s not singing.

  • Marie Ruffin

    I prefer big voices, especially on singing competitions like Idol and X Factor. So, I wasn’t exactly thrilled to see so many singer/songwriter types in TOP 24.

    I agree with the OP. I like “voices” too however, when they brought Kara in (she’s a singer/songwriter), I think she swayed the move to go with the singer/songwriter. And let’s be honest (to quote Nigel), they messed up a good thing when they brought in the 4th judge – Kara – a move to harness Paula into a contract. Paula wasn’t stupid and she knew from the get go that Kara was going to replace her if she didn’t go along with the amount of money they offered….If you have a controversial and winning team of 3, you don’t break it up.
    Now the shift was to the “singer/songwriter” and not the “singing star” who could work the stage and bring personality to the performance.
    None of the 10 (exc Crystal) IMO was interesting. They all stood there and held the mike, didn’t walk the stage, didn’t interact with the audience…they were clonish with their strumming guitars…how in the heck Garcia made it to the final 10 is a big mystery. The most boring of them all, as Simon so rightly stated.

    You get what you reap.

  • Marie Ruffin

    To name a few, Sting, Van Morrison, Billy Joel, Norah Jones, Tracy Chapman, Peter Gabriel, Cold Play, Cat Stevens, Dire Straits etc etc. All a bunch of dull and talentless people compared to last seasons, right!

    You’re right, because Tracy Chapman is hardly heard from, Cat Stevens is trying to get a visa into the U.S. and hasn’t recorded anything notable in the past few years; Norah Jones isn’t selling big like she used to and she’s not “relevant”.
    In fact, all those that you named — to me — are “boring” and were lucky to be at the right place and time in the music business.

  • Eriko

    You’re right, because Tracy Chapman is hardly heard from, Cat Stevens is trying to get a visa into the U.S. and hasn’t recorded anything notable in the past few years; Norah Jones isn’t selling big like she used to and she’s not “relevant”.
    In fact, all those that you named — to me — are “boring” and were lucky to be at the right place and time in the music business.

    You proofed my point, thank you! If your taste of music is representing others who are criticizing this season, then I welcome it and makes me feel better. That small example of what I mentioned liking and listening to on a regular basis are artists who are still selling albums 10-30 years later, they wrote songs that singers today are still covering. They are the ones who are on the top of the Rolling Stones best songs ever list. They are NOT here-today-gone-tomorrow type like the majority of singers go through. They will still be selling their stuff for years to come when most of the current stuff will be yesterday news…well, that is my opinion

  • Eriko

    Regarding people who like the “big voices” I can understand that in a show where you can only sing covers. But most of them, at least the “divas” can only do that. They don´t write (again, most of them) So their originality is heavily colored from whomever writes the song. They can´t sing unless a musician is with them….they don´t create. Many rely on covering the singer-songwriter songs. And in my case and most I know, they may give you a wow moment on tv, but are they regular guests in my cd player? No.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    Regarding people who like the “big voices” I can understand that in a show where you can only sing covers. But most of them, at least the “divas” can only do that. They don´t write (again, most of them) So their originality is heavily colored from whomever writes the song. They can´t sing unless a musician is with them….they don´t create. Many rely on covering the singer-songwriter songs. And in my case and most I know, they may give you a wow moment on tv, but are they regular guests in my cd player? No.

    I personally don’t care who writes the songs my favorite singers sing. The singer just has to be able to interpret the song well – that is all that matters to me as a listener.

    Not all good singers can write songs and not all good songwriters can sing. Actually, those that can both write and sing well are very rare.

    I just don’t care if Idol/X Factor contestants can write songs or not. If they can, good for them. if they can not, it’s good as well. When they are on stage, I only want to hear them sing and perform.

  • soverymel

    They can´t sing unless a musician is with them….they don´t create.

    It’s called interpretation. Singers have been doing it for ages. And a talented singer can make a song come alive. It’s terrific that there are singer/songwriter/musicians out there that can do it all. But that does not mean that people who focus on one aspect cannot be artists themselves.

    ETA: LOL Mateja we posted almost the same thing at the exact same time. Word!

  • Elliegrll

    Now the shift was to the “singer/songwriter” and not the “singing star” who could work the stage and bring personality to the performance.

    John Mayer isn’t a singing star? How about Michael Buble? Jason Mraz? None of these people is having trouble selling records or touring. A couple released albums around the same time as some that you might consider to be “singing stars” , and for the most part they’ve sold more cds. Being a singing star isn’t about moving around on stage, or hitting high notes. There have been plenty of people on AI who could hit high notes, but not all of them could sing. There are plenty of singer/songwriter types, or singers without big voices who can work a stage. Someone mentioned the lack of “moments this year”, there were few bigger moments than Kris Allen’s take on Ain’t No Sunshine and Heartless. Someone doesn’t have to have a big voice in order to hold an audience’s attention or to work a stage. Carrie Underwood rarely moved on stage when she won, but the woman can sing, and she got people to listen to her without relying on anything else.

    This group, extending to many in the top 24, lacked the ability to really deliver the emotion in a song. There are plenty of singers who can do that without employing vocal gymnastics, fog machines, flashing lights, or anything else other than their voices.

  • Eriko

    There have been plenty of people on AI who could hit high notes, but not all of them could sing. There are plenty of singer/songwriter types, or singers without big voices who can work a stage. Someone mentioned the lack of “moments this year”, there were few bigger moments than Kris Allen’s take on Ain’t No Sunshine and Heartless. Someone doesn’t have to have a big voice in order to hold an audience’s attention or to work a stage. Carrie Underwood rarely moved on stage when she won, but the woman can sing, and she got people to listen to her without relying on anything else.

    This group, extending to many in the top 24, lacked the ability to really deliver the emotion in a song. There are plenty of singers who can do that without employing vocal gymnastics, fog machines, flashing lights, or anything else other than their voices.

    Well Crystal Bowersox can do both,big time, hit the high notes and deliver the emotions….and also re-arrange, write lyrics and melody, play instruments and like she showed with Joe Cocker, show unforced natural stage presents

  • riaspark17

    I have watched AI for years, but this bunch of contestants were so out of tune and boring that I didn’t even bother to vote. Why would I pay money to see them?

    My sentiments exactly. Lol, even the joke contestants paled far in comparison to years past.

  • soverymel

    I think there is room in both the world, and Idol, for both talented singer/songwriter musician types and vocalists that use their voice to interpret and perform. I don’t understand why people argue that one is better than the other, it is simply a matter of taste. But IMO where Idol went wrong this year was in not making more of an effort to cast a better balance of quality performers from both sides. In prior years, it really did seem like the makeup of the finalists did a pretty good job of providing someone decent for everyone’s particular musical taste. This last season, while they made one segment of their audience happy with this type of cast, they completely lost another segment. I have no doubt that the show was completely enjoyable for many people, and those same people will no doubt love the tour. But it just wasn’t to everyone’s taste.

  • Elliegrll

    I think there is room in both the world, and Idol, for both talented singer/songwriter musician types and vocalists that use their voice to interpret and perform. I don’t understand why people argue that one is better than the other,

    I don’t understand why people can’t get that there is a lot of overlap in the two categories, or that someone doesn’t have to move around on the stage, or stop playing an instrument in order to give an emotional performance. And, there are plenty of ballads and slow songs that reach people, a great AI example of that is Fantasia’s performance of Summertime. That performance is on a lot of lists as one of the best in AI history, yet I don’t remember a lot of vocal gymnastics, light shows, or theatricality, but still Fantasia nailed the song.

  • aly

    Not at all surprised. I saw this coming from a MILE away.

    It’s to bad the kids of this season have to
    pay the price, but I don’t feel one bit bad for the Idol Machine. They
    brought this on themselves, partly with the credibility issue after
    last year, and choosing such a mediocre cast of contestants with no
    star quality what so ever, imo.

  • soverymel

    Elliegrll: You’re the only one who keeps on bringing up vocal gymnastics, light shows, or theatricality. I think most of us are just looking for someone who brings a song to life and lights up the stage with their voice. Which Fantasia absolutely did, no question. And Idols like Cook and Kris did it as well, along with some badass guitar and piano playing, giving us the best of both worlds.

    But with the exception of a couple of Crystal’s performances, no one really hit that sweet spot for me personally this year. I think the people that were supposed to fill that “big voice” niche in the Top 10 were Katie and Big Mike, but Katie folded under the pressure and I just couldn’t get past the cheese and posturing of Mike in order to appreciate his voice.

    IMO the mistake was made when they cast the season, choosing weaker performers for some of the typical Idol “types” and the boys in general, attempting to stack the deck for a singer/songwriter girl Idol winner. And it backfired on them.

  • Elliegrll

    Elliegrll: You’re the only one who keeps on bringing up vocal gymnastics, light shows, or theatricality. I think most of us are just looking for someone who brings a song to life and lights up the stage with their voice.

    The reason why I bring it up is because it’s something that good singers can do, regardless if they are so called singer/songwriters, singers who can hit high notes, or singers who can work the stage. Someone’s ability to play an instrument does not mean that they don’t know how to interpret a song, or deliver an emotional or engrossing performance. A ballad is no less entertaining than an up tempo song. Individually, this year’s group had a lot of problems, but one of them was not being “singer/songwriter” types. The only area where that was an issue is the lack of diversity in the cast.

    ETA: I agree that no one really had a moment this year, and this group, IMHO, had no idea how to interpret a song, or how to emotionally connect with a song, but that’s not because they might fall under a singer/songwriter label.

  • larc

    IMO the mistake was made when they cast the season, choosing weaker performers for some of the typical Idol “types” and the boys in general, attempting to stack the deck for a singer/songwriter girl Idol winner. And it backfired on them.

    I think you’ve hit the nail on the head! Some guys were weeded out in the Hollywood round this year who were clearly better singers than any of those who made it through. Maybe the best chance for ensuring top-grade talent in the finals would be for a qualified third party with no interest in “casting” to select the Top 24.

  • DarkGlamour17

    OHmyword! This is soooo embarassing! I went to S7 tour in ATL and it was PACKED! I didn’t go to S8 tour but the radio stations were saying it was sold out. (I wanted to see Adam :[) anyways! I agree with what you guys were saying about this season being mediocre (BORING) the singing even stunk. :/

  • mozart4898

    And here I thought I went off on a tangent last night…wow has this thread sure headed off the tracks :-P

    Maybe, just maybe, TPTB figured that after last season, no matter what level of performers they brought in, some people were going to continue to compare them to Adam (and others). People have said Adam “broke the show,” I don’t really believe that, but they may have figured to be on the safe side, they’d try to take the show in a new direction just to minimise the comparisons as much as possible. Their end result is probably shown in the top 3. Two of the most non-typical AI finalists in Casey and Crystal, so some people were playing along. However, the AI traditionalists probably helped get Lee there, just because they saw in him the “marketable” type that so many people think that AI needs. Then, when it came to the finale, Crystal may have actually had the support of more people…BUT not those who were the seasoned AI watchers of the past and they weren’t the ones that would know about voting hundreds (or thousands) of times. I’m sure there’s plenty of avid AI watchers who loved Crystal. But I’m figuring she got there because of bringing new people to the show. Those new people just didn’t know about how the game was really played. And then…the AI traditionalists see Lee as a weak performer – in fact there are those who probably didn’t vote for him who say he’s the worst winner ever. TPTB probably only pimped him starting in the middle of the season when the realized that he was the one selling the best – because he appealed to those who knew the ins and outs of the show and were buying the songs on iTunes. As I’ve said many times I’ll bet that many of the people voting for Crystal didn’t even know about iTunes and never have used it before (some of her younger fans, sure, but many of her fans, probably not). So ironically it would have been their desire to change things up that saddled them with another winner who’s quite similar to the last 2 – he was the familiar one for the year in, year out AI fans, and not the favorite of the new fans they may have attracted through a different type of cast.

    As for the much lower post counts in the concert threads so far – there were 8,000-9,000 at the Detroit concert whereas there were 10,000 or so there last year? Not a huge difference really. But there were 1,000 comments on the thread for the first concert last year, and this year what, like 200? I really don’t think the difference is that there’s that much less interest – I think the difference is because some of the posters here were much MUCH more into one of a couple of the singers last year and not as much this year – you can see that based on how many people now still talk about other seasons. But 8,000-9,000 compared to 10,000 last year? Not a huge difference at all – especially as has been said, since the economy is as bad as it is. The person who said they’d find a way to pay $1,500 total to hear Adam if he came to their country and they’d need a ticket, transportation, and somewhere to stay…$1,500 might almost buy a foreclosed HOUSE in Detroit, where that concert was. No joke. A $10 or $20 ticket (let alone one close to $90) is not an easy purchase for many people in the Detroit metro area, or many parts of the country.

    Cancelled shows at this point are probably equally a result of the economy and less interest overall in the season, but not JUST because of the interest in the season. There are still plenty of people interested.

  • Grammie Kari

    Cancelled shows at this point are probably equally a result of the economy and less interest overall in the season, but not JUST because of the interest in the season. There are still plenty of people interested.

    Thank you, Mozart. The tickets to the Auburn Hills concert were too expensive, but I didn’t see an empty seats on the main floor. The way the arena was set up, it looked like good attendance. I was so hopeful because that first concert was VERY enjoyable! Everyone did better than on the show. Finally, I did see a few stars in the making!

    I feel bad that less people will get to enjoy them.

    I did’t like the way the judges treated Anoop last year, nor did I care for the confused and often cruel remarks made to Siobhan this year. I felt she DID have a moment with Paint It Black. Having actually seen the concert, I do feel some WILL have success beyond Idol.

  • karenc

    Mozart: I think you might be right in what you’re saying. I have been thinking about the same thing lately. I kind of wonder if they didn’t want another artist like Adam this year because they are still working to establish him and wanted a different type of singer on the show.

    Though, I think the reason for so many singer songwriter type contestants auditioning last year has a lot to do with Kris, and even David Cook winning. Many of them probably heard that indie type artists were doing well in the show the past couple of years. And the reason they were cast might be what you’re saying. Because I’m sure other types of singers did audition this year but very few got through.

    I also think that the audience for the show has changed the past few years, also, because of the type of artists they have had on and have won. That the audience and contestants of the show evolve based on what happens in previous years.

  • soverymel

    I think the reasoning behind TPTB weighting the casting in favor of a singer/songwriter girl winner had very little to do with previous Idol contestants and more to do with them wanting a piece of that Taylor Swift action.

  • koshka

    I think the reasoning behind TPTB weighting the casting in favor of a singer/songwriter girl winner had very little to do with previous Idol contestants and more to do with them wanting a piece of that Taylor Swift action.

    That worked out well didn’t it. *snark*

  • smartalek

    The reduced tour sales are definitely a product of reduced interest in the past season and not purely a function of a bad economy IMO. AI had been reducing the price of the tickets as well. I still think part of the reason this season stunk is b/c the contestants were mediocre (both in terms of their singing delivery and charisma). Casey didn’t deliver as a singer/songwriter with the exception of two to three of his performances. Crystal was just too repetitive and a little outside the typical AI box, being a Gospel style singer. Siobhan collapsed and did not fulfill potential (the girl was “off-key”) and I rightly predicted her eviction last season in MJ’s pool. Then you are left with Lee, the WGWG winner who is somehow unbelievably worse than Kris, the WGWG winner from last season. S7 really nailed it with the singer/songwriter types; we had interesting and qood singers: Jason Castro and Brooke White had far more appeal than any of S9’s singer/songwriter contestants. And David Cook was a worthy winner (though he wasn’t my personal fav of the season). The AI voters have ruined the franchise by following DC’s win with more WGWG winners who aren’t even that good. Therefore, the show has lost credibility argument is so true (it really was kind of inconceivable that Adam didn’t take the top prize last year; Adam had the pure talent, singing chops & delivery, and stage presence to take it). And in terms of S5, being the best tour seller, that has a lot less to do with the talent of that season, which was middling, with the exception of Daughtry and more to do with the fact that it just happened to coincide with the peak of Idol’s popularity among casual watchers, which is probably thanks to Carrie and co. from S4. Few people were enthused about that season’s winner, Taylor, who had charisma and shtick but limited vocals.

  • kk613

    If any of the kids suffered from lacking confidence, it’s not the judges’ fault. It’s their own for not having the snuff to deal with it. Simon called David Cook smug and pompous to his face. He openly told girls in the second season that they were too fat to be there. Kris was told that it was unfair that Danny got kicked off before him because he was a better singer than him. Allison and Carly Smithson had entire performance shrugged off because the judges didn’t like what they were wearing.

    The only person that had to deal with that kind of stuff this year was Tim. He knew how to take it in stride and deal with the criticism that was given to him. Comparatively, the rest of the cast was totally babied. Crystal forgot words, bust into tears at the end of the song, and once she started getting heavily praised by the judges, never tried to improve or change her style. The judges didn’t seem to care. Lee was out of tune every single week, but from the beginning Simon told him it didn’t matter because he believed in him and wanted him to succeed. He continued to not sing in tune and eventually the judges just decided they didn’t care if he was ever in tune because they loved him so much as a person and he was the heart of the show. Casey was told he was the greatest instrumentalist who had ever been on the show. (I like Casey, but seriously?)

    These kids were totally pampered. One of the reasons they had so much trouble as they did is because they weren’t given an incentive to do better. They knew if they came in and gave a mediocre performance, they wouldn’t be called on it.

    I agree with everything you said!

  • Truthiness

    I think the ratings were down because the contestants were mostly boring and/or bad this year. So shocker! when sales for the concerts are down to, for these mostly boring and/or bad lot.

    Yes the economy is bad, but it was bad last year (and actually probably worse then) and yet the concerts managed to sell to the levels as the year before.

    I feel badly for the Idols, because this means less money for them, but I think that this was to be expected and should have been planned for. TPTB were their typical greedy selves, and didn’t take into consideration the realities of this group, and now they’re adjusting.

    Oh well. The Idols will still get a fair amount of experience and money from the concerts that will take place.

  • stingray11214

    This season was a disaster. The tour is a nuclear holocaust. I would not be surprised if LiveNation deep sixed the rest of the tour in the next few weeks.

    This should be a lesson learned for TPTB: Forget casting by type. Top flight singers and performers will snag the ratings….unless this season was a contract hit by Fremantle and Sony in order to usher in the wholly Sony-owned “X-Factor” much faster than planned.

  • LVD

    The only person that had to deal with that kind of stuff this year was Tim. He knew how to take it in stride and deal with the criticism that was given to him. Comparatively, the rest of the cast was totally babied. Crystal forgot words, bust into tears at the end of the song, and once she started getting heavily praised by the judges, never tried to improve or change her style. The judges didn’t seem to care. Lee was out of tune every single week, but from the beginning Simon told him it didn’t matter because he believed in him and wanted him to succeed. He continued to not sing in tune and eventually the judges just decided they didn’t care if he was ever in tune because they loved him so much as a person and he was the heart of the show. Casey was told he was the greatest instrumentalist who had ever been on the show. (I like Casey, but seriously?)

    To a certain extend I agree, but I also disagree. Part of the problem was certain contestants could do no wrong, while others where often being picked apart, it was more the disparity and conflicting treatment that stands out. All their favouritism and their blatant agenda sometimes frustrates people, especially when it is suppose to be the people’s choice. It makes people feel powerless to effect change and they just lose interest.

    Lee, Crystal and Mike hardly ever got any negative criticism. You mention Casey in this same vain, but I dont agree, the judges never even said he was the best guitar player to ever play on the show, it was other people who observed that Casey was playing lead guitar and no one else on the show have done that before.
    In regard with Casey I think it was actually the opposite, they complained that he did not move around and didn’t show enough vulnerability or the song choices were always wrong. They said he should stop trying to be rockstar with his guitar playing it is a singing competition, Kara said he sounds like a lamb while make lamb sounds, he was told he sounded like dirt and that he cant hold a note for four seconds. He often changed up songs and never got any credit for it, Simon called him lazy, indulgent and lacking in personality week after week. Or they just completely undermined him by not even discussing his performances and by concentrating on cougar jokes and whatnot. All of that alone by itself would be just fine, but when you look at it in a wider context it becomes unacceptable. If you compare Lee and Casey for example then the comments doesn’t seem all that rational. I do like Lee and this isn’t criticisms against him, but against the judges. Lee also performed with his guitar week after week, and he did songs with the same type of rhythm every week, yet the judges never told him to move around more or to show his vulnerable side. Lee sometimes didn’t sing in pitch but it was hardly ever mentioned. Casey actually showed more variety then Lee on the show, he played acoustic guitar, electric guitar the mandolin and he did energetic songs and ballads. Relatively speaking should their performances really have generated such different comments or responses?

    The same thing with Siobhan, at first they loved the dramatic effect and her scream, then her scream sounded like giving birth. Simon sometimes only questioned her clothing, instead of talking about the performance. When she changed it up and didn’t scream they said it was boring. They give conflicting advise to Katie on almost every occasion.

    All of this adds up to the judges losing credibility with the public. There was far too much focus on the judges this year, their discussions often lasted longer then the actual songs, and they were taking great pains to make sure the script work out. At some point people just get tired of all the unnecessary nonsense and lose interest. The contestant are all talented in their own way. The tour is just a part of the proof that the producers played it wrong or perhaps they just went to far and people aren’t buying it anymore. Although in fairness things like the recession will also play a role when it comes to touring. Also the fact that the ticket prices were too expensive to begin with. All for these factors together will take their toll.

  • agathe.hb

    crisane, you know so much about Manila concerts :) how does it work usually? do Idols get to sing wiht other artists? and if yes, are the idols the headliners? I have heard so many conflicting stories….