American Idols Live – Oakland, CA – 07/11/09

AI Tour Scan

BeckyMD Jul 11th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

AI Tour Scan

WTG, Becky! TYTYVM !!!

Is there any cellcast tonight?

I saw on Twitter that Adam’s mom is at the show tonight.

I saw the pic with Adams mom and friends in the background. Someone should post the link. The way they did the photo was a bit funny. No privacy these days with Twitter!

Is there any cellcast tonight?

Yep. It’s right HERE.

Megan is up now btw.

Is there any cellcast tonight?

If you want to hear the cellcast go to Rickey.org and press Rickey TV he is transmitting.

I saw on Twitter that Adam’s mom is at the show tonight

Doesn’t she live in San Francisco? That’s only a BART ride away. I think I read she is going to move down to LA to help Adam out.

“AI Tour Scan”

I’m not a fan of Lil’s but I do think she looks good in the black dress and short hair. I’ve never liked her long hair or the attitude that came with it.

Scott is on now.

Here you go Twitter followers:

http://twitter.com/missnisha

http://twitter.com/courtneyrice319

http://twitter.com/rochelle71

http://twitter.com/krisytan

More:

http://twitter.com/LadyLucius

http://twitter.com/pirateofrock

http://twitter.com/louispeitzman

http://twitter.com/LambertLover22

Pam
Jul 11th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Is there any cellcast tonight?

Yep. It’s right HERE.

Megan is up now btw.

Pam – Thank you for the link..

^^^Your welcome

Lil is up now.

It seems louispeitzman had some one-on-one interview time with Adam and Alli. The interview will be up later.

http://twitter.com/louispeitzman

Are there any other kind of fan in these concerts? Those twitter are all of women who love Adam lol.

Anoop is on.

BeckyMD
Jul 11th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
AI Tour Scan

I had been looking for it and gave up after a couple of hours, thank you so much!

Thanks for posting the scans BeckyMD. I’m looking through them now. Very nice!

Matt is up.

There’s a twitter woman who touched the American Idol and is now ready to die because her life is complete.

dont know if you saw this but its a live stream-will be back up when adam is on

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/1ofgod'sanointed

you can pull the link off his twitter
http://twitter.com/1ofgodsanointed

There’s a twitter woman who touched the American Idol and is now ready to die because her life is complete.

Can I have her AI Tour program? It would save me $25.

This is real stupid questions.. what’s Rickey mean by Granny?

Here’s another twitterer: http://twitter.com/1ofgodsanointed

Wow, even with the horrible cellcast sound, Matt kills Georgia… love it!

Matt’s last name and Danny= Granny lol
I guess he just likes it because it sounds funny :smile1_tb:

Group number

dont know if you saw this but its a live stream-will be back up when adam is on

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/1ofgod'sanointed

Says page cannot be found.

flicker Jul 11th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

Wow, even with the horrible cellcast sound, Matt kills Georgia’ ¦ love it!

@flicker go to Here’s another twitterer: http://twitter.com/1ofgodsanointed
it has good sound with video – he will be back up when Adam comes on, maybe Allie, too.

Is786idol
Jul 11th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Matt’s last name and Danny= Granny lol
I guess he just likes it because it sounds funny

Got it.. Thank u much
And I guess he’s trying to make it popular like Kradam, Adison, or Kradison?

Wow, the sound on the live ustream video is wayyyyyy better than the cellcast. I hope he does start recording again when it’s time for Adam!! Thanks for sharing, Steve! :thumbup_tb:

Intermission time.

Hmm, I was thinking 1ofgodsanointed was in real time, but I jumped into the ustream thinking it was intermission and got Sarver when I was expecting Allison. Have to admit, he sounded GOOD. I hadn’t listened to any of his videos/streams until now, but I was ready for Alli!! Still confused how to get to real time.

1ofgodsanointed
I’m just showing Adam live cuz my phones battery will die if I do kris also…will have kris in video tho

Steve – Thank you SOOO Much for the live stream. So excited.

Steve – Thank you! The live stream is much better than cell-cast.

The tweeters are loving them some Allison Iraheta.

@flicker go to Here’s another twitterer: http://twitter.com/1ofgodsanointed
it has good sound with video – he will be back up when Adam comes on, maybe Allie, too.

Adamland, THANK YOU!

Barracuda

ETA: We basically missed Allison’s set.

Danny is up now.

Question— I am not so much into getting autographs but i do want to be prepared if i see my fav idol (Adam) and rest of idols when i go to concert. My printer doesn’t print good pics- is there i site i can order a photograph from???? or any suggestions. I can bring my rolling stone but that won’t work for other idols and i know i can buy a program at concert but what if i see idols before concert??? I’m a newbie to the tour

Okay, now I feel like a stalker, too — but thanks for this! It’s great to see Adam’s family support. BTW, I think that is Adam’s brother Neil sitting next to his mom.

Twitpic with Adam’s mom in the background.
http://twitpic.com/a2l2t

After reading the last twits, I can safely say that Adam fans almost all loved Allison but don’t like Gokey very much.

missnishaNooo!! He rode the mic stand! And threw off his jacket!
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Hmmm that sounds familiar.

i feel like im at the concert counting down til adam!! i want to hug @1ofgodsanointed

LadyLuciusWhile salsa dancing with the mic stand, it fell. Even inanimate objects don’t wanna dance with him.
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ha ha, why do people dislike gokey so much? hes not bad at all.

ha ha, why do people dislike gokey so much? hes not bad at all.

I’m not sure either. x3 I actually like him.

anyone know the link to Adam’s stream from @1ofgodsanointed?

ok that did not work

anyone know the link to Adam’s stream from @1ofgodsanointed?

Here it is below

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/1ofgod'sanointed

its up have fun

He’s live now, Adam in a minute.

ADAM!!!!

He said Women!!!!!

God this is so clear! Adam sounds fantastic.

I think im pregnant.

He said Women!!!!!

Make that the singular … he’s not that greedy

ADAM!!!!

adamland Jul 12th, 2009 at 12:16 am

God this is so clear! Adam sounds fantastic.

I so agree I almost feel as though I am there. This is sooooo great. Breath breath. lol

This stream is fantastic! So glad none of the security guys see him.

It’s hard to see anything going on stage but the sound is so good!

Yeah … thank you 1ofgodsannointed for the streaming

He is definitely feeling better. Sounds fantastic! Actually the best I have heard him up to this point. :tongue3_tb:

Wow…. this live stream by 1ofgodsanointed of Adam’s set is so clear.

What is @1ofgodsannointed saying? The sound is off? on the stage or his video?

!!!!! Did he say that he is lip synching it? Now he says that he is acting it? WTH!

nvm

The stream is just great. Adam’s set is intense. No wonder he got the loudest cheers on WLL. The production itself is enough for anyone to jump on their feet and cheer wildly. Yay! With Allison now.

Great sound on the stream. He and Allison both sound great. DD

I wonder if he means that the video on the big screen is out of sync with the sound .. I doubt Adam’s miming as WLL was different to previous performances

!!!!! Did he say that he is lip synching it? Now he says that he is acting it? WTH!

I think he is looking at the video screen since he is so far away and the timing on those are always off from the actual sound. There is no way he is lip syncing.

I am sure Allison would not also be lip syncing and besides where would they get the lip syncing from he does not sound like any of his other concerts.

!!!!! Did he say that he is lip synching it? Now he says that he is acting it? WTH!

He was likely referring to the fact that there was a delay between his voice and the video screens in the arena. Very common in arena concerts. No worries.

REMINDER:

NOBODY is lip syncing! We aren’t going to have a 5 page discussion on it. Thanks.

I just ordered my brand new 3Gs iPhone. I’ll have it in time for my concert…

I think the tweeter like’s Fame … he sounds like he’s having a bit of an orgasm …lol

LisaE Jul 12th, 2009 at 12:26 am

!!!!! Did he say that he is lip synching it? Now he says that he is acting it? WTH!

He was likely referring to the fact that there was a delay between his voice and the video screens in the arena. Very common in arena concerts. No worries.

That is what he meant that there is a delay.

He was likely referring to the fact that there was a delay between his voice and the video screens in the arena. Very common in arena concerts. No worries.

Yes you’re right, I guess I was too fast to react, I will wait until the twitter explains more what he meant.
Yes Mj, I know no one lip synch, I think he only meant that something seemed off with the Mad World performance.

Too bad he had to stop before Kris’s set… I would have liked to relive that. But Adam was as awesome as always.

MJ
I just ordered my brand new 3Gs iPhone. I’ll have it in time for my concert’ ¦

:clap_tb: Yeah to this!!!

The Bowie Medley gets better and better and better. Let’s Dance sounded like it could be a dance hit right now. Modernized perfectly.

it sucks that the guy doesn’t stream live for Kris…

WooHoo MJ for the Iphone!

Headache? What headache? adam is ridiculous. I enjoyed that.

NOBODY is lip syncing! We aren’t going to have a 5 page discussion on it. Thanks.

LOL. And I was just going to post “OMG lip-synch-gate! 55 pages of debate. Twitter meltdown. 1ofgodsannointed under federal witness protection. All to find out that he was 1ofgod was referring to his seatmate lip-synching along.” Twitter is like a devil crossed with the 7-headed hydra.

missnishaUm . . . Where was I? I remember I was cheering Adam, then I got slain in the spirit. Sorry?
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ha ha, i was wondering where her tweets went.

Wow, that guy broadcasting Adam’s set made my night!

For anyone with an iPhone 3Gs, Qik.com are another great live streaming video service linked to twitter, I think it’s a bit lighter and faster than ustream.tv

Sorry, double post!

Mtlfan Jul 12th, 2009 at 12:32 am

it sucks that the guy doesn’t stream live for Kris’ ¦

He said that his phone was about to die so he couldn’t stream Kris. Streaming eats up the battery time.

Oh my goodness, that was so awesome. I think I’m going to have to go to a concert now.

The stream is great! Medley is growing on me. Fame caught me first. Now I’m loving Life on Mars. Flove Adam’s low register in that part. His set is way too short. Can’t wait for his solo concert!

Yay for MJ and her new 3g phone!

Adam’s set, as I’ve said, was intense. It was amazing! I don’t like the song WLL, but I liked the energy Adam evoked from the crowd. Adrenaline’s clearly pumping.

Too bad there’s none for Kris this time. Well, there’s a time for everything.

The Bowie medley is fantastic! Adam in all his theatrical glory. Love it!

Great listening to Adam tonight. The Bowie medley is sooo much more polished than in Portland. Can’t wait to see it for myself in August!!!

Yeah for the iphone, MJ!

MJ…which concert will you be attending?

Ha. According to the tweets, someone else threw her bra on stage at Adam again. lol

I’d sure like to know more about how that guy got such a great sound. Anyone know what he was using? Whatever it is, does it only work with an iPhone?

oh my LORD that was awesome. i cant imagine what that guy is thinking now… in a matter of minutes nearly 2000 people had his twitter name and were following his video. the good side of twitter to balance out the insanity!

and now i will be watching his stream of adam on repeat for hours… pure bliss.

The live stream was awesome. But due to being overseas, I had many audio meltdowns. I’m listening to the recording now. Sound is fantastic.

LOL @Kristen

LOL. And I was just going to post ‘OMG lip-synch-gate! 55 pages of debate. Twitter meltdown. 1ofgodsannointed under federal witness protection. All to find out that he was 1ofgod was referring to his seatmate lip-synching along.’  Twitter is like a devil crossed with the 7-headed hydra.

I just ordered my brand new 3Gs iPhone. I’ll have it in time for my concert’ ¦

Woohoo~~~ when is your concert MJ?

1ofgodsanointed Thank u guys 4 viewing my ustream tonight 3000 ppl came in
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Wow, too bad he couldnt do Kris/Allison.

That was intense, now I REALLY can’t wait until Thursday. L.A. is going to be rocking!!! We’ll be bumping into people from the entertainment world every few seconds.

OMG Lip sync gate…….sorry Kirsten but you must be a comedian in your other life. You know, the one you are supposed to have but instead you hang out here with us. I read that and had tears streaming from laughing so hard…

# itsmetherealyou#adamlambert another blackbra thrown on stage during the bowie set are they paying someone to do that? Thrown back girlies xDless than 20 seconds ago from twidroid

another bra haha

I think I just woke all my neighbours up with my whooping! That was fantastic, I learn something new every day, I could do with one of those phones too!

That live stream was fantastic! Adam sounded out of this world! Flawless! How can he sing like that while he is all over the stage? Loved Starlight again, with him going in and out of falsetto effortlessly. His set was over way too soon. I feel bereft.

Wow! Each night is a little different. Amazing! All of it. I particularly enjoyed the Bowie medley tonight. it was fun dancing on my own floor without fear of tumbling down the seats of the arena.

Yay, MJ, for the phone!

My first concert will probably be Boston in August.

LOL. And I was just going to post ‘OMG lip-synch-gate! 55 pages of debate. Twitter meltdown. 1ofgodsannointed under federal witness protection. All to find out that he was 1ofgod was referring to his seatmate lip-synching along.’  Twitter is like a devil crossed with the 7-headed hydra.

Sheer Genius…lol

hehe Cheetara86 – i read that in my head as “another BROUHAHA” which is appropriate… another bra brouhaha = BRAhaha.

OMG, I am so happy that I saw, heard ADAM on live stream. I am so excited and it made my night. I am going tomorrow to San Jose with my 13 year old niece. We went and bought blue eye shadow, could not find glitter but we are so EXCITED, me mainly. I will recap tomorrow with my impression of the concert. MJ, I love your site and it is an addiction for me like ADAM.

missnishaAdam took me out of this world, and Kris is bringing me safely back home. ANS is SO my jam!!
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I like this. Whether youre out of this world or at home, its all good.

Another bra? Is that Adam’s signature thing now? Thanks turquoise bra streaker girl in San Diego …

Live stream was way cool – really gives you an idea how much the performance really fills up the arena.

But I think the side chat was almost more entertaining. Fans are scary things.

black bra this time?

Another BRA was flung at Adam. This time during the Bowie set.

http://twitpic.com/a3bv4

Not that I’m encouraging more underwear throwing, but I do sort of wish someone would throw a bra at Kris — just to see what his reaction would be.

@1ofgodsanointed will be trying to broadcast don’t stop believing!!

@dsp

You can go to http://www.gettyimages.com. There’s a lot of good photos there. Just don’t use it for commercial purposes.

GeminiDolly Wow, too bad he couldnt do Kris/Allison.

I so agree. After hearing that extremely clear broadcast I just can’t listen to underwater cellcaste. ( and I love that Rickey does that for us).

I hope there is a heck of a lot more videos from this concert then there was from last nights.

thanks wiccagirl

LOL. Did he fling this one back too?

Tweets are now saying that apparently someone threw another bra onstage tonight during Fame. Adam whooped and threw it back.

Wow! I can’t believe I am still breathless after that live stream. You really got a sense of how amazing and intense Adam’s set is. How do people survive after watching that live? I guess I understand how Kris’s set helps settle everything down and lets people catch their breath and slow their heart rate. Holy cow!

Another BRA was flung at Adam. This time during the Bowie set

You can hear him yell “Yeah!” right before he started “Let’s Dance.” It sounded out of place…now we know why…

He posted Adam’s set here is the link again:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/1ofgod'sanointed#utm_campaign=twitter.com&utm_source=612488&utm_medium=social

don’t stop believing is on the stream now

Another BRA was flung at Adam. This time during the Bowie set.

Oh for pete’s sake this is getting old already!

:rolleyes_wp:

@Marikka

“Wow! Each night is a little different. Amazing! All of it. I particularly enjoyed the Bowie medley tonight. it was fun dancing on my own floor without fear of tumbling down the seats of the arena. ”

LOL! You go girl!

I wish we were treated to that every night! Adam sounded amazing. Even Rickey was telling everyone to go to the live stream!

I guess, he was streaming live but his phone died, it was awesome. I did not know u could do that. I am a very happy woman!

I wish we were treated to that every night! Adam sounded amazing. Even Rickey was telling everyone to go to the live stream!

Rickey needs to find some people with I-Phones to do his cellcasts. The sound tonight was freakin’ amazing!!

That livecast was soo good. Spoiled now, want one every show.

And that was the best I’ve heard that Bowie Medley, Adam seems to have added some punch to the end. I approve. I hope we get some quality video/audio from tonight.

courtneyrice 319 still reeling on Adam. words cannot describe. he wanted it tonite. he got it,. damn damn damn

courtneyrice319 if i was obsessed with Adam before, now im on a whole other planet!

courtneyrice319 omg gawd, Adam was effing sexy as hell!!!

I wonder if Kris, Matt, Danny and the rest of the guys are like hey, how come we dont get any bras and thongs, we are the str8 ones!!!!

I want to listen to Adam’s set again. But the stream is gone

And that was the best I’ve heard that Bowie Medley

ITA

It’s too bad they couldn’t live stream the whole show — or at least the top 4. I’d like to see Allison and Kris as well as Adam…

BeckyMD, it’s still there. I’m listening to it now. You can’t tell what it is, says something else. but it’s there.

It’s funny that “Hey 1″ (the auto reply if you tweeted to the person who did the livestream) is trending.

I really liked the change up on WLL.

OMG! The live stream was amazing! I can’t believe I woke up to hear Adam live!!

All thanks go to 1ofgodsanointed, Junior Castillo. That man whoever he is is my twitter hero!!

I’m so happy!!!!

I just ordered my brand new 3Gs iPhone. I’ll have it in time for my concert’ ¦

Yay! Thanks mj!

Another BRA was flung at Adam. This time during the Bowie set

Did he throw it back in the audience again?

Not that I’m encouraging more underwear throwing, but I do sort of wish someone would throw a bra at Kris ‘” just to see what his reaction would be.

I’d rather see Katy’s reaction haha

I wonder if Kris, Matt, Danny and the rest of the guys are like hey, how come we dont get any bras and thongs, we are the str8 ones!!!!

LOL! I was thinking the same thing.

Try this link for replay- http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1793226

He said that his phone was about to die so he couldn’t stream Kris. Streaming eats up the battery time.

he’s excused then

You could see the live stream? Hmmm…I just got a bunch of blurry shine and blobs from the stage. Perhaps it will be clearer if I see it again.

@ravengirl Thanks. Listening it again now.

Have to admit Danny was not bad from what I heard at the beginning of the stream.

missnishaI will be writing up a full epic review of tonight. Preview: mic pole got scorned, but Little Adam got lots more love!

LOL — or maybe I should say Brahaha…

” I wonder if Kris, Matt, Danny and the rest of the guys are like hey, how come we dont get any bras and thongs, we are the str8 ones!!!!”

But Adam is toooooooooooooo HOT and SEXY no matter what.

Yeah, looking at the stage was kinda like looking directly at the sun, but the sound from the live stream was incredible. Adam sounded fantastic.

Yeah, looking at the stage was kinda like looking directly at the sun

That’s because glittery aliens from the planet fierce only show up as blinding white light on video screens.

“I wonder if Kris, Matt, Danny and the rest of the guys are like hey, how come we dont get any bras and thongs, we are the str8 ones!!!!”

LOL!

hwc Jul 12th, 2009 at 1:14 am

Yeah, looking at the stage was kinda like looking directly at the sun

That’s because glittery aliens from the planet fierce only show up as blinding white light on video screens.

Good one LOL!

On Mad World I can see Adam on the side video screens on my computer.

I am really loving how he is settling into the Bowie Medley and making it better each performance.

I’m rewatching, uhh, listening to the stream, it’s amazing.

I can’t get over it! Those vocals are astonishing.

That’s because glittery aliens from the planet fierce only show up as blinding white light on video screens.

Oh well, I guess that’s just Life on Mars…

While the video isn’t good, the sound quality is pretty amazing. It really is the next best thing to being there (and you don’t need the ear plugs!).

Replay of the feed:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1793226

The first few seconds are the last of Danny’s set

I wonder if you can do it with just sound? The video probably wouldn’t be that good anyway. With just sound, the battery would probably last longer…

MJ, you can record just sound. It would be soooo much better than what the usual cellcerts have been. Why hasn’t anyone thought of that? LOL
The video is amazing, really clear, you just need to be closer than that guy was.

I just ordered my brand new 3Gs iPhone. I’ll have it in time for my concert’ ¦

Woot!!! And that is….?

ETA: Oops sorry, I guess I wasn’t the only one to ask. I’ll skim to see if it’s answered.

I wonder if Kris, Matt, Danny and the rest of the guys are like hey, how come we dont get any bras and thongs, we are the str8 ones!!!!

But Adam is the sexy one

Can ´t stop watching. This stream was the best treat of the day

It’s the new S8 tour game! Trying to detect a pattern or predict whether Adam will sing “baby” or “woman” in WLL.

The stats so far:

Portland – baby
Tacoma – woman
Vancouver – baby
Sacramento – baby
Oakland – woman

The guy likes to change it up, his songs, his hair, hmmm…. :wink_wp:

I’d sure like to know more about how that guy got such a great sound. Anyone know what he was using? Whatever it is, does it only work with an iPhone?

No, live video streaming is actually possible with any 3G video-enabled cellphone, for example, Nokia N Series phones, Google’s G1 phone, iPhones, etc.

Wouldn’t the quality of the video depend on how close to the
stage you are?

mj
Jul 12th, 2009 at 1:29 am
I wonder if you can do it with just sound? The video probably wouldn’t be that good anyway. With just sound, the battery would probably last longer’ ¦

Not long enough for a whole concert, I don’t think. I have my 3GS and the battery suffers with the app load, without streaming. Also it does tend to overheat, mine does anyway.

Not long enough for a whole concert, I don’t think. I have my 3GS and the battery suffers with the app load, without streaming. Also it does tend to overheat, mine does anyway

Do you think two phones would be able to handle it?

renee_snyder took a picture with Adams mom – she is in the holding area too!-

mj Jul 12th, 2009 at 1:29 am

I wonder if you can do it with just sound? The video probably wouldn’t be that good anyway. With just sound, the battery would probably last longer’ ¦

mj, I have a T-Mobile Google phone and have an app to record video and sound or just sound. Plus I can stream, but I haven’t tried just streaming sound only.

I’m going to be closer than this guy on Thursday but the video would probably still suck. I have to go buy the battery extender thingy for my phone now.

I really love technology! What a treat listening to this again….and again…and again….

if someone is considering doing a live stream, but with low battery life… could.. you.. maybe… at least.. record one Anoop song? Specifically, My Prerogative? We’re kind of lacking with that one. the rest be hanged! but noopy keeps getting the shaft. Peeps need to record MP. He does pelvic pops and body rolls. Helllooooooo.

girlygirl Jul 12th, 2009 at 1:04 am

It’s too bad they couldn’t live stream the whole show ‘” or at least the top 4. I’d like to see Allison and Kris as well as Adam’ ¦

Me too girlygirl, Apple needs to upgrade their batteries!!

WOW ADAM WOW ADAM WOW.

Srsly, amazing. beyond amazing. That live streaming video was awesome! AWESOME! And we got to hear exactly how great Adam is!

While the video isn’t good, the sound quality is pretty amazing. It really is the next best thing to being there (and you don’t need the ear plugs!).

Actually, the next best thing to being there is the legion of “tapers” who carry $4000 microphones on long poles and battery powered analog-to-digital converter mixers and digital recorders or even record concerts plugged into the soundboard of the cool bands. I’m amazed that none of the tapers have shown up to an Idol concert.

Here’s a sample from a Ryan Adams show earlier this year:

Wonderwall.mp3

My Sweet Carolina.mp3

Or listen to or download the whole concert here (free and legal — almost every Ryan Adams concert is taped and available).

http://www.archive.org/details/ryanadams2009-02-22.korg.sbd

Do you think two phones would be able to handle it?

I don’t know. My Iphone is hacked, so it could be that.
But to tell you the truth, of all the smartphones I’ve used, the Nokia Nseries have the best battery life. They could definitely last an entire concert. For normal usage the N71, N76 and N96 (the one’s I’ve used) have a battery life of up to 48 hours.

I’ll be getting an N97 soon, until Apple sorts the problems with the Iphone, and an un-hacked version is released for this region.

I’m amazed that none of the tapers have shown up to an Idol concert.

Er, because they wouldn’t get past the front door with their equipment? Security would also stop someone trying to tape the concert with an elaborate set up.

In alot of the videos, there seem to be professional videographers in the front row. Is this normal or are they planning to release some kind of DVD package?? Haven’t watched clips from previous years, so I’m kinda unsure.

LaurelG
Another bra? Is that Adam’s signature thing now? Thanks turquoise bra streaker girl in San Diego ‘ ¦

UGH. I am praying to whatever Powers That Be that exist (whomever/ wherever they may be) that BraGate does not become a common occurrence. Streaker Girl notwithstanding, I am officially ashamed that the first bra-fling happened in my city.

In alot of the videos, there seem to be professional videographers in the front row. Is this normal or are they planning to release some kind of DVD package?? Haven’t watched clips from previous years, so I’m kinda unsure.

The guys with the cameras in the front row are doing the feed for the side video screens. Both sides are different and there are two camera operators.

In alot of the videos, there seem to be professional videographers in the front row. Is this normal or are they planning to release some kind of DVD package?? Haven’t watched clips from previous years, so I’m kinda unsure.

There are big screens on the sides, right? So of course they need cameras to show something on those. Although they might record as well.

Oh…duh. Thanks, it’s late and I’m tired and apparently kinda dense.

Well, I’m pretty sure they are filming Kris and Adam for various things. But, they’re also obviously filming for the jumbotrons in the arena, so that could be what you’re seeing.

In alot of the videos, there seem to be professional videographers in the front row. Is this normal or are they planning to release some kind of DVD package?? Haven’t watched clips from previous years, so I’m kinda unsure.

I think that video is for the megatron screen for the peeps up in the balc. I had wondered about that too. Cause Anoop was sangin to it.

i am really loving Let’s Dance- I want a full version

dsp Jul 12th, 2009 at 2:08 am

i am really loving Let’s Dance- I want a full version

Me, too. I’d buy it in a heartbeat. I wish they would release the full version with his 1st single.

My favorite Adam performance for me was his Bowie Medley. He sounds great, looks great and he’s just all kinds of sexy with his moves. I’m so thankful that Hubby flipped over to video and recorded it for me at the concert. I didn’t know it until after the concert. I was so happy.

Er, because they wouldn’t get past the front door with their equipment? Security would also stop someone trying to tape the concert with an elaborate set up.

There are some pretty stealthy rigs. The mics are tiny condenser mics. Some tapers have them sewn into a baseball cap — one on each side — or attached to eyeglasses. They can use an mp3 player for recording. It’s easier with the band’s permission, but not impossible to go stealth. Easier than trying to video tape.

Here’s a complete list of the bands available with free concert downloads from the Internet Archive (it uses servers on the old Presidio base in San Francisco). The Grateful Dead lead the way with 6,833 available recordings. There are over 3,500 bands and 66,000 concert recordings so far.

http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=/metadata/creator

Giving permission for taping and posting at the Internet Archive would actually be a total win/win for Idol. It’s not like they are going to be releasing live albums or worry about ticket sales for the next tour with this lineup. This is actually a very good way to market bands in this day and age. Taylor has a couple of shows up, but only pre-Idol. He’s nuts to not give permission for his current shows. It’s all gonna show up on YouTube, anyway — with dreadful quality. Might as well let people make half-way decent recordings. It’s like free radio airplay.

With ustream, you can actually broadcast from an iPhone 3G (it doesn’t have ti be 3Gs), but you need to have it jailbroken, because the app is installed from Cydia, not from the iTunes Store.

I’m almost sure that you can choose to turn off the video in your broadcast, as it is possible to do it on the regular PC version of ustream.

There is actually other option for streaming audio only, http://www.1000mikes.com/ you can broadcast to a radio station from a regular cellphone without a 3G network, and the service is free.

I’ve listened to some songs of a couple U2 shows thanks to fans that have used this service, so far, the audio quality has been very good, I don’t know if it was related to the cellphone models.

It’s been a very interesting experience for me, to be able to follow U2 and the Idols Live Tour online, you guys rock for sharing your experience!

I know some of you are waiting for your concert date to come, living outside the USA and Canada, I am not even expecting one, so what you share around here is really, really appreciated .

I was just watching this Kris video from Sacramento and it definitely highlights how out of sync the video is with the performance. At around 6 minutes, I started cracking up. Kris starts trying to get the audience to clap along, but in the video (which you can see clearly above him), it looks like he’s clapping a few seconds behind what he’s doing on stage. In a funny way, it makes Kris look really uncoordinated. lmao.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQrEMab1iwo

LOL Adam signed someone’s chest.

Woohoo, I’m back from the Oakland concert! I think everyone will love their favorite while also appreciating the others as well. The crowd was crazy for Adam, but lots of love for Kris as well as danny and allison in their sets. For the rest of the concert though, the crowd kinda sucked! I’m going start writing my review before I forget the details!

YAy for Recaps! Thanks AC.

Oh Em Gee….I have heard Adam, shit, this guy is incredible.

The dude who transmitted this will go down in idol concert lore, the claymates would have cannonized him if he had be around and a clayfan during season 2. They have been known to go to great lengths to record Clay. Camera’s hidden between boobs and all sorts or merriment, lol. I enjoyed this so much, I wanna send him flowers, or to the rest of the concerts, this beats underwater cellcerts by a mile. I gave up on Rickey’s stuff around concert two last year…this guys, wow!

Adam is so good. And I enjoyed it even though I couldn’t see him, so dispelling that rumor…his voice is enough, the other stuff is just frosting. The voice will set him apart from almost everyone else.

If he records a full Let’s Dance, I will buy it, and gift it, and sent it to the troops, lol. Well not really, but it’s that damn good. I love MW, WLL was not my favorite, but he sells the crap out of it.

I enjoyed this so much, I wanna send him flowers, or to the rest of the concerts, this beats underwater cellcerts by a mile

I’ll chip in for either one. If he’s willing to go to the LA concert, I’m willing to pay for the ticket.

cheerionut007: Just met @adamlambert omg! He winked at me!!

http://twitpic.com/a3ofd

LisaE
Jul 12th, 2009 at 3:20 am
cheerionut007: Just met @adamlambert omg! He winked at me!!

http://twitpic.com/a3ofd

So lovely.

Thank god he went out to the barricades today, or we might have had a backlash that would have made the French revolution look like a love-fest.

http://twitpic.com/a3p5d

http://twitpic.com/a3p5d

Well, at least this one matched his outfit! LOL!

There are big screens on the sides, right? So of course they need cameras to show something on those. Although they might record as well.

The year we went, there were NO big screens at all. This was at the New Orleans Arena. I’ve never been so disappointed. I had watched everyone’s snippets from the tour and saw the big screens, and then not to have any at all really sucked gutter water.

You couldn’t even tell who was on the stage.

Just peeked into the fray. Looks like the fun continues.
Mom Lambert is there. So Baby Lambert will be fine.
Somehow sons always need their Mom’s around when they are feeling down.
Like the kids, and even not so young kids in my family. When they are under the weather or things get crappy , always need Mom or wifey.

Glad everyone had a good time this evening.

Technology advancement, what can I say. You can now probably hear what
they are talking about in Iran. Thanks to that techie.

Some good photos of the concert and the guys arriving at the arena from ONTD. I really want to figure out what the button on Adam’s messenger bag says!

http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_ai/1075559.html

WOW, just logged in and listening to the livestream, OMG amazingly clear and I am just so frickin excited that I’ll be seeing Adam in just 5 days!!!!!!! AAARGH I cannot wait :clap_tb: I think I might cry!!!

Thank god he went out to the barricades today, or we might have had a backlash that would have made the French revolution look like a love-fest.

LMAO!

Have we ever whitnessed same level of fan frenzy for an other idol .. (Clay Aiken or else)? I’m so new to this, I had never watched AI before Adam

LisaE

Youze lies! Obviously this means that Kris was lip synching. It’s a plot! Oh and I would make a conspiracy, aliens and X-Files reference here, but that’s clearly what Adam is, so no point.

Darn you Adam for taking the fun out of alien conspiracy theories! Sure, aliens from planet Fierce are among us. But all they want us to do is sex us up, rock us out and wear a lot of glitter. Don’t need Mulder and Scully for that one.

Adam Pics:

http://twitter.com/account/profile_image/renee_snyder?hreflang=en (Oakland)

http://twitpic.com/a3pdd (Oakland)

http://twitpic.com/a3qey (Sacramento)

courtneyrice319: the wait was worth it. got Adam audi and lots of pics. stay tuned!

Rickey had an EPIC show. The cellcaster was incredible. She got the following people on the phone..

Michael
Megan
Anoop
Danny
Lil
Scott
Scott’s brother Todd
Matt
ADAM
KRIS’S wife Katy
and
KRIS.

Yeah, that’s right everyone but Allison.

That was so fun to listen to. Rickey was so excited and I gotta admit I was as well. Just an awesome show. I heard the cellcaster Laurie say that she loves this blog so if she reads this I just want to tell her THANK YOU! You’re amazing!

I am so much into Adam, going to the concert tomorrow in San Jose but want to see a CLOSE UP of one of his videos from Oakland. I guess, I am going to wait until tomorrow but was/am very happy to the LIVE stream that I have been listening OVER and OVER again.

LOL, Lizardino, “bra matching the outfit” is all about accessorizing his hotness!!

An OMFG Adam/microphone stand moment.

http://twitpic.com/a3fr5

OMG, what the twitter said was true. Allison got really emotionnal during her rendition of “Cry Baby” tonight

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p150/sf_ebay/IDOLTOUR12.jpg

Lauri got Allison, but when Alli said Hey, the sound got cut off

Lauri got Adam to sign her chest. Lucky Lady. She was so entertaining. This was a great night.

Hey Guys! Got back from the concert! It was the best AI concert yet! Adam was my favorite, followed by Kris, Matt and Allison who were all top notch!

Micheal, Lil, Scott sounded karaoke to me. They sang fine, but they didn’t bring anything different or special to their songs. Lil’s Single Ladies was fun, but for some reason, I expected more from her. Megan’s voice is so unique and I like it, plus she’s stunning on stage.

Anoop brought a little smooth sexy dancing to the stage with his ‘like buttah’  vocals. But those dark rimmed glasses looked nerdy. Sunglasses would’ve looked cooler.

Matt was the first one to bring some real energy once he started jamming on the piano during his Hard to Handle. He is one talented guy and really brought it tonight! I didn’t hear any weak vocal gymnastics and runs like he did on the show. Lots of singing with emotion. You can see and feel his joy of performing and love of music in concert. He was the crowd pleaser of the first half.

My favorite part of the first half was the Beggin’ song (Madcon version). I loved the choreography and the arrangement and the Top 6 sounded great! I wish there were more of these kinds of current group songs on the show and on tour.

Allison brought great energy too and she really puts a lot of energy and Allisonism to her performances. She looked and sounded fantastic. I love the wind machine and her flowing red hair. I had never seen her sing with so much energy and emotion. But production needs to have some kind of intro so people know when to go back to their seats!

Danny was great during PYT, but really, that inspirational speech at the end was too long and the song after wasn’t memorable. Plus you could just feel the energy in the room just rise with the crowd knowing that Adam was next! We couldn’t wait for Danny’s last song to be over! The girl next to me had been texting the whole show, but as soon as Danny’s song ended. She was up screaming for Adam!

This was definitely an Adam crowd! (All the loud screaming when his name or picture was on screen just like at the other venues.) And he was on fire tonight! Everyone was standing during his whole set! He was back in performance mode with WLL with the mike stand getting more lovin’ tonight! Everyone was on their feet. The energy and his vocals were incredible. It was almost like a wind machine was facing us, the audience, blowing my hair and clothes back.

I LOVE his Starlight by Muse song. Starlight, like Mad World is haunting in person and it’s like you don’t realize that you’re holding your breath because of his voice just wrapping around you and through your soul. He is just pure genius with his vocal talent. Plus when you watch him sing, he’s captivating on stage. He’s so gorgeous and he really commands the stage without really moving.

The raw bold energy came back with Slow Ride. They really play off each other and their voices really are great for this duet. It was fun and sexy!

His Bowie medley was soooooo good! The crowd exploded when he took off his F!Jacket! He had his mojo back (from Sacto) and boy, was he strutting around extra sexy it seemed. Of course, you heard about the black bra thrown on stage which he picked up and yelled in a deep sexy voice ‘YEAAAAHHH!’  before he threw it back. It was funny!

His voice was strong, sexy and he was just mesmerizing to watch and listen in person. He made some slightly different vocal adjustments to his songs. I think it’s great how he changes it up every time he sings the same songs!

His ‘little’  Adam got some lovin’ tonight too. The crowd loved it! I think Adam will be more bold as the tour goes on. I can’t wait to see what he does in LA this Thursday!

Of course, Kris was awesome during his set. Everyone loved Heartless and the Killer’s song is perfect for his set. Thank God, NB is gone! People sang along with Aint No Sunshine and Hey Jude. Kris’s vocals were strong and spot on and he did really well. My friend felt sorry for Kris having to go after Adam’s set. It’s such an opposite vibe, but it works with Kris and he really is good! I love how Kris plays the piano and different guitars and brings a lot of energy to his set too.

Kradam got some lovin’ during Hey Jude and Don’t Stop! Lots of eye contact and smiling and there was some attempt in crumping/dirty dancing like they did at the Finale during So What. It sorta reminded me of Mavid. I think Adam was attempting some crumping and Kris didn’t get what he was supposed to do, but Adam had that twinkly smile at Kris! Plus when they finished their finale song, Kradam walked off together first, looking and smiling at each other. I almost thought they were skipping, it was so cute.

If you’ve seen Danny’s set with just the red shirt on, he is so sweaty! I guess tonight, Danny must’ve had been extra sweaty because it appeared that Adam, while he was singing, had to use a black towel with his foot to wipe off Danny’s sweat off the stage floor! hee!

I’ve been to all the AI concerts, but I have to say that all have been enjoyable, but I swear that Adam Lambert brings something very special to that stage that I’ve never seen. Plus the talent in the AI8 Top 5 can’t compare to any other season’s Top 5.

Great great recap Heart. I felt like I was there. Thank you.
You’re right, from the live stream I could tell that Adam was on fire tonight.
You have to love that man, and I certainly do.

I choose to believe he wanted to do an extra-special show for his mom. :wub_tb:
He and his mom seem so close.

Adam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7fs0LkMIKA (entrance/beg. WLL)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS_0DmnDT1E (Mad World)

Bits and pieces of the Bowie medley – looks awesome tonight! he’s really owning it.

Group:

Don’t Stop Believin’: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqM8zNrgMy0

Scott:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhnUOLEv_Yc (1000 miles)

Megan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca_aYyT1V8w (put your records on)

I think the LA show will be amazing for Adam, that’s where a chunk of his people will see him. And you never know a few of his personal idols might just show up to.

Thanks for the recap Heart, it was great.

Back with videos! this is wat i have so far. More to come after i upload them so sit tight!

Michael Sarver – I Just Want a Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evBEUA9XvLw

Scott Macintyre – Bend and Break
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU5yoG35PUk

Lil Rounds – Single Ladies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hrZ0ZEVkec

Anoop Desai – Always on My Mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYQHCSlWhqg

Matt Giraud – Hard to Handle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyvgzVbXvvM

Whole David Bowie medley from close-up — good bra footage — ha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuM0EC5pes4&eurl=http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_ai/1075559.html?page=5&feature=player_embedded

Oh, and Adam was being quite slinky tonight…

The WLL video below is from the same poster. The sound isn’t the best, but OMG, I think I need a shower after watching these. This is NOT your typical AI, that’s for sure. And of course, speaking for myself only, I wouldn’t have it any other way — hee.

Lord have mercy, after yesterday, he’s back in business:

Best Whole Lotta Love to date http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjEmpTGeqT0

And Slow Ride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRu8Zlb8EGA

Oh, and Adam was being quite slinky tonight’ ¦

The WLL video below is from the same poster. The sound isn’t the best, but OMG, I think I need a shower after watching these. This is NOT your typical AI, that’s for sure. And of course, speaking for myself only, I wouldn’t have it any other way ‘” hee.

@lizardino – whomever said that AI will never be the same after Adam Lambert (RS?) was soooooo on the money! OMG I can’t get enough of WLL and the Bowie Medley. I could listen to Starlight all night but I NEED to watch the other 2. I’m so effing addicted to this man!

Mr. Human Slinky was in fine form tonight, yes he was. :devil_tb:

Mad World & Starlight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v5zkhBCynk&feature=channel

I don’t often say this about men, but his make-up is flawless. Sigh.

http://twitpic.com/a3y0o

The whole Allison set from Oakland:

So what:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu6sX4Xejyo

Cry baby:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE6m1sh-92Q

Barracuda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KikcrmIvIg
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQK6_vwtTkU

and Slow ride with Adam (longest version):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRu8Zlb8EGA

Okay, first review from Oakland, actually from the Mercury-News (the San Jose paper). Not very positive and pretty elitist, from my perspective. Or maybe this person just has odd taste…hmmm. You be the judge.

He actually calls Allison an “Ashlee Simpson wannabe” and thinks her singing is somehow Disney-like (and this guy (?) actually LIKED Allison pretty well). Yikes.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2009/07/12/review-american-idols-live/

Thanks for posting all these videos, guys.

I think everyone else is asleep now and that’s good. Need to recover your strength guys for another wild ride tomorrow , continuing until September.

It looks like the warm and fuzzy love for Adam is turning into something intense that rival even the sun’s central core. Concert after concert, it seems like he is taking no prisoners.

I am loving this and it’s all very exciting. Thank you all for your valiant coverage.
You are all great.

And thanks MJ your blog is now inter galactic.

Read the review.

The first sentence kind of tells you where this reviewer is going:
….. “The ‘American Idols Live! Tour 2009′  features nine vocalists not named Adam Lambert and one that is.”

So, interesting take on Adam:

……”The one thing that was blatantly evident from watching Saturday’s ‘Idols’  show at the Oracle Arena in Oakland _ one of three tour stops over the weekend in Northern California _ is that the 27-year-old Lambert is a bona-fide star.

No matter what a person thinks of Lambert’s overtly dramatic vocal style _ I, for one, find it more than a tad nauseating _ it’s still nearly impossible to deny his almost limitless potential. Indeed, just how the singer goes about trying to make good on all that promise should make for one of pop culture’s most fascinating storylines over the next few years.”…….

On the one hand Adam’s voice makes the guy nauseous and on the other he calls Adam “a bona-fide star” ??

More good Adam-stuff later in the same review. Overall a nice review for Adam, the others, not so much.

He actually calls Allison an ‘Ashlee Simpson wannabe’  and thinks her singing is somehow Disney-like (and this guy (?) actually LIKED Allison pretty well). Yikes.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2009/07/12/review-american-idols-live/

He wasn’t kind to Allison or the others. but his review of Adam was stellar. He’s a harsh critic who thinks AI is nothing but a karaoke contest,yet he callerd Adam :

is that the 27-year-old Lambert is a bona-fide star.

Here’s the rest of his Adam review:

Next up was the man that seemingly every one in the three-quarter-full house had been waiting for: Lambert. The crowd went bonkers when the goth-rock Idol, recently featured on a cover of Rolling Stone magazine, appeared in his black leather outfit and began belting out Led Zeppelin’s ‘Whole Lotta Love.’ 

He then turned his operatic voice, so ripe for the Broadway stage, on Muse’s ‘Starlight’  and Tears for Fears’ ‘Mad World,’  which turned out to be the two best songs of the night. The one major misstep of the set _ and the decision can’t be blamed on Lambert _ was when Iraheta was called out for an unbelievably hokey duet of Foghat’s ‘Slow Ride.’  Yet, he recovered nicely by ending his set with a David Bowie medley.

Coming from this guy, who seems to specialize in live concert reviews, this Adam review is the best that can possibly be hoped for by an AI contestant.

He was overly harsh on Allison and Kris, though right on the money, from the videos I’ve seen, about the rest.

I know I probably pissed a lot of people off by saying that I agree with this guy about the rest of the idols, but I can’t help how I feel.

He was overly harsh on Allison and Kris,

Agree, he is very harsh on these two. His critique of Allison, especially, I don’t get. I think she is amazing. My second favorite behind Adam.

It’s like the reviewer had blinders on, and all he could see was Adam.

listen Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:28 am

He was overly harsh on Allison and Kris,

Agree, he is very harsh on these two. His critique of Allison, especially, I don’t get. I think she is amazing. My second favorite behind Adam.

It’s like the reviewer had blinders on, and all he could see was Adam.

Yet he said that Adam’s “overtly dramatic vocal style _ I, for one, find it more than a tad nauseating.” Talk about a backhanded ‘complimentary’ review.

that review is really harsh…ouch!

it was so obvious he’s (a total jerk) not a fan of the show and he do not know the performers so why even bother? guess he needed the penny ey?

and apparently, his idea of a good concert is vegas-like…so? what can we expect from this guy but snoozed out on all other not-overly-dramatic performances…

lol someoen on ONTD wrote “thanks for the posts, WITHOUT THESE POSTS I WOULD SARVER ALL OVER THE PLACE!!!

Thanks for your review Heart and I completely agree with:

“Megan’s voice is so unique and I like it, plus she’s stunning on stage.”

From my perspective the first part of the statement is more important (BTW, I heard only praise for her look). It is true that there is some work for Megan to be done to become a successful recording artist. But definitely she has a potential. And it is not surprising that she is not to everyone’s taste. Pop/rock singers/bands always have more followers.

I’ve just watched Megan’s video posted above by LisaE (thanks a lot – I couldn’t find this one) – really good quality and Megan at her best.

Just read Mr. Harrington’s review of the Oakland Concert. The 10 finalists should be ready for reviews like this.

If you will notice, aside from Adam, the only ones he bothered to criticize at length are Kris and Allison. Sarver was just a bookend note.

The 10 aspirants should be ready for this kind of critique. Even if the reviews are harsh, if they get talked about, it will support getting their names remembered.

What you do not want is to be always cast among the nameless ‘ nine other vocalists’  not named Lambert.

Even Adam has to stand his ground, meaning, continue to support his platform, his music with exemplary performances. He cannot afford to slip now.

The others will need to do the same. Not to compete with Adam, but to create a stamp of memorable performances in order to compete with the thousands of others who are selling similar music to theirs.

Like Kris will now be competing with Jason Mraz, Ryan Tedder, and those whose sounds are similar to where he is now. Allison will now be competing with, yes, Ashlee Simpson, even with Miley Cyrus and those in her age group, or even with Pink herself.

And even now Adam is competing with Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas, and even Madonna , all those who are in this rock genre . His edge is that he has a vocal range that very few if rarely anyone possesses . Adam is smart, in that he is creating a new genre for himself , a new niche, where the sounds straddles from the glam rock to the rock ballads of theatrical proportions to the electro dance beat based on the glam rock beat. These are the songs he is now singing in this LIVE concert.

That is reality. These 10 are now competing with the rest of the music industry.

For me the fun is just starting. I am confident though ,that my guy is not going to get creamed.

Does anyone know how difficult it is to do the live stream. I assume you need an iphone? I have great seats mid-August.

and apparently, his idea of a good concert is vegas-like’ ¦so?

I dont read where he says that…….it seems his idea of a typical AI concert is vegas-like gimmicks, not much talent on display, and this year they stripped back to showcase and emphasise the vocal talents, and in his opinion, there wasnt much on display.

I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with his review, but just pointing out that he didnt say a good concert should be vegas-like, as you imply

Kris – Heartless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irSOyM7FWjY&eurl=http://www.youtube.com/user/sjslapshot22&feature=player_profilepage

â™ «Ã¢â„¢ ª Rickey had an EPIC show. The cellcaster was incredible. She got the following people on the phone.. â™ «Ã¢â„¢ ª

figures *sigh* the only night I couldnt stay awake long enough to listen to the cellcast I miss the BEST part of Rickeys show.

@lizardino – whomever said that AI will never be the same after Adam Lambert (RS?) was soooooo on the money! OMG I can’t get enough of WLL and the Bowie Medley. I could listen to Starlight all night but I NEED to watch the other 2. I’m so effing addicted to this man!

I can’t even imagine what this whole AI season let alone the tour would have been without Adam. I was indifferent until he caught my eye in auditions and now I am a goner. As Simon said “No one can top that”. WLL whew!!! I need coolin’.

Here is a review of Oakland

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2009/07/12/review-american-idols-live/

ETA: I just read the whole thing and it’s another harsh one.

Thanks for your review Heart and I completely agree with:

‘Megan’s voice is so unique and I like it, plus she’s stunning on stage.’ 

From my perspective the first part of the statement is more important (BTW, I heard only praise for her look). It is true that there is some work for Megan to be done to become a successful recording artist. But definitely she has a potential. And it is not surprising that she is not to everyone’s taste. Pop/rock singers/bands always have more followers.

I’ve just watched Megan’s video posted above by LisaE (thanks a lot – I couldn’t find this one) – really good quality and Megan at her best.

I don’t know. I’m a big-time “alt” fan, and I know some people who’ve gone this route. And you have to be a truly great musician and an extraordinarily creative person as well as musically educated and astute person to make it as that type of performer.

It takes way way way way way way way way more than having the right kind of voice and the looks because, unlike with more mainstream stuff like rock and pop where there are whole companies set up with writers and producers and so on ready to make you into a mainstream vision that they understand, when you’re “alt” what you become is about 100 percent up to you.
You need to create a major persona with outstanding, consistently interesting music to go with it and then sell that whole persona to record labels and concert series and such.

In general, the industry isn’t going to buy “raw material” alt people and then mold them. They’re going to wait until a person who’s molded him/herself to come along and say — Here am I and my music; wanta buy? I suppose it’s conceivable that some label could come along and decide to “manufacture” a new “alt” star and, if one did, I can see that Megan could be one they’d choose, given her vocal tone, her personality, and her looks. But, in general at least, that’s just not what’s done. The companies don’t want to put that much development money and effort into manufacturing somebody who will only sell to a niche audience, as I understand it.

So does Megan have the chops to start at the ground level and make herself into an alt star? I don’t think we have any evidence, to this point, that she does. And while I like Megan’s vocal tone and think she’s kind of a cool girl, I can’t say I’m waiting with bated breath to see her emerge as a performer because, at this point, I have no idea what her real musical vision is like. That’s what really attracts me — and, I suspect, a lot of other folks — to the alt people: their visions, their poetry, their musical universes. And although Megan may have one of those all ready to show, she certainly hasn’t yet shown it to me, at least.

Animated-Adam is smart, in that he is creating a new genre for himself , a new niche, where the sounds straddles from the glam rock to the rock ballads of theatrical proportions to the electro dance beat based on the glam rock beat. These are the songs he is now singing in this LIVE concert.

I love your posts, they are very insightful. Adam has said that his Bowie Medley is an indication of what his music will sound like and I am very excited about this. The combination of his powerhouse vocals and the sexy, dance vibe will be a killer and unlike anything out there. I can’t wait!

Wow, “nine vocalists not named Adam Lambert, and one that is”. I’m a BIG Adam fan, but I’m feeling really bad for the other idols. They don’t deserve to be bashed by critics like this. I hope all the Adam attention isn’t causing tension between everyone.

As a Kris fan, I was sweating that Oakland review. Press in the Bay area has been rather universally mean to Kris since he won Idol. This was much milder than than that anti-Christian hate piece in Vancouver.

Ironically, the Bay area press loved Kris as long as he was taking idol votes away from Danny. Oh, well.

I got the feeling, from the review, that the writer felt that Allison and Kris were somehow a ‘threat’ to his favorite, and therefore extra effort was put in to diminishing them both.

That kind of thinking really irritates me. As so many others have said, these three are not competing for the same block of fans anymore. That was a TV show. This is real.

Sunn:

I agree with you to some extent, but I do think Allison has some great raw talent. Kris is a very nice young man, and a nice singer, but his performances just bore me. But I do not like John Mayer either.

Thanks Animated, my thoughts exactly on all these reviews.Buckle up folks…There will be even harsher ones, many probably will bash Adam’s style as well as we move along.

For me,I enoy reading the lot.It isnt all disney world and “ohhe’ssocute and “ohsuchartistry” and “ohthey’reallsogreat” out there.May your bubbles burst

A blog review with great pictures

http://priyaganesan.blogspot.com/2009/07/american-idol-live-tour-2009-recap.html

Another “ouch” review with Allison getting bashed. That’s abit unusual. Overall, the reviews for the S8 tour are much worse than S7. It’ll be interesting to see what that portends for the future. I’m kind of enjoying this guy’s take on Adam since I find his over the top style kind of nauseating myself. But it’ll be interesting to see if he can connect as a recording artist.

Danny’s vocals actually got some praise from this guy even though he said he had zero stage presence.

The only part of that review I dont agree with is his take on Allison

On the one hand Adam’s voice makes the guy nauseous and on the other he calls Adam ‘a bona-fide star’  ??

He didn’t say that. He said that, when it comes to his personal tastes, he doens’t tend to like Adam’s kind of theatricality. He generally finds it squicky. However, while that isn’t his style, he is able to separate his personal tastes from his perception of whether somebody did a good job with their own style or not. And he judges that Adam did a great job with his style (even though that style isn’t the reviewer’s favorite.)

Analogy: I’m not a fan of contemporary country pop, at all. But that doesn’t mean I can’t look at a half dozen people singing contemporary country pop and rank them (pretty accurately!) according to which do a better job and which a worse job.

In my opinion, nobody should ask that these guys be treated with kid gloves as if they were a bunch of emotionally damaged children who are putting on a show for therapy. The Idol finalists are literally *all* of the opinion that they deserve major-label recording contracts immediately. And that being the case, they are asking to be treated as professionals.

If a newspapers’s going to give you space, then you have to expect to be judged on pretty much the same basis as the other artists they give review space to. And for the most part, newspaper review space only goes to full-fledged professionals and pretty much only the top ones, at that. They’re on a big-name tour, they can expect to be held to high-level professional standards. Very few of them meet those standards. Since they’re aiming to be professionals now, they should read the reviews, consider whether some of the negative comments might be valid, take seriously the comments that might be, and strive to learn from them — that’s how you earn the title of “pro.”

The one major misstep of the set _ and the decision can’t be blamed on Lambert _ was when Iraheta was called out for an unbelievably hokey duet of Foghat’s ‘Slow Ride.’  Yet, he recovered nicely by ending his set with a David Bowie medley.

So I am not losing my mind…there is another person on the planet who agrees with me….lol

The tour is very unpredictable in predicting success. Daughtry got great reviews S5 (often the only one praised), I remember both Davids, and most of the S7 idols getting some praise. On the other hand I remember Blake Lewis getting better reviews than Jordin Sparks and while it was before my time, Carrie Underwood supposedly came across as a bore with no stage presence on her tour. And as I mentioned before, Kellie Pickler got some awful reviews during her AI tour.

So in the end, it’s a complete crap shoot.

I got the feeling, from the review, that the writer felt that Allison and Kris were somehow a ‘threat’ to his favorite, and therefore extra effort was put in to diminishing them both.

That review said that Adam’s style “nauseated” him, didn’t he??? He wasn’t one of us fans defending his favorite. He wasn’t an Adam fan. He was just saying who he thought met a professional standard and who didn’t. He could be wrong about that, but when you say that somebody’s style makes you “a tad nauseated,” I don’t think you can rightly be called a fan of that person.

I don’t think ‘Slow Ride’ is hokey, but I do think it is icky. A 17 year old girl doesn’t need to be singing that song, IMO.

Do any of the Adam fans here, take their tween daughters to this show? Adam’s segment seems to be ‘adult’ oriented, and I have to say that I am a bit surprised that moms are still taking their young children to this show. I don’t think those same parents would be taking those children to a similar show by other artists, but there is a bit of a disconnect, IMO.

Vada-Do any of the Adam fans here, take their tween daughters to this show?
I am thinking the “moms” are there to glory in Adam’s talent and hotness and the kids are just a cover. Irresponsible maybe but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

The tour is very unpredictable in predicting success. Daughtry got great reviews S5 (often the only one praised), I remember both Davids, and most of the S7 idols getting some praise. On the other hand I remember Blake Lewis getting better reviews than Jordin Sparks and while it was before my time, Carrie Underwood supposedly came across as a bore with no stage presence on her tour. And as I mentioned before, Kellie Pickler got some awful reviews during her AI tour.

So in the end, it’s a complete crap shoot.

And the reviewer covers that base as well, with his references to Rubben and Hicks

He could be wrong about that, but when you say that somebody’s style makes you ‘a tad nauseated,’  I don’t think you can rightly be called a fan of that person.

I don’t think so either, and while I completely disagreed with this reviewer’s critiques of Allison and Kris (Ashlee Simpson? WTF?), it did make me happy that Adam was apparently able to seriously impress someone (calling him a “bona fide star” etc.) who wasn’t keen on his style at all. But as we’ve all said many times, all these guys are going to get bad reviews at some point during the tour.

Maybe I’m just a freak, but I wouldn’t have a problem taking my daughter to see Adam in the AI show if she was a tween. She’s 6 right now and I wouldn’t take her, mainly because I think it’s too loud and crazy for her. Honestly, I don’t think anything Adam does is so outrageous that it would be too much for a twelve-year-old. But I also think Americans (as a whole) tend to be a little too prudish about the sex stuff, so my opinion is probably not the majority one.

Yes, it will not get easy as these 10 travel across USA.

As the 10 aspirants perform from city to city, they will experience first hand , the varied reception their performances will catch . This is their real baptism of fire. Whoever stands their ground , and will not be fazed by both adulation and derision, will be the one whom we can expect to be around next year and the year after that, and the year after that .

For Adam , it will get harder and harder . The intensity of current adulation can be countered by an equally intense disparagement, even outright ridicule. That is to be expected. He is doing groundbreaking songs and performances. Never heard and seen before by American Idol audiences.

Imagine how Utah will react to Whole Lotta Love ? Will it be a neutered and sanitized performance for that audience ?

Adam and the rest will continue to be faced with numerous challenges.
The current critique by the Oakland press will turn out to be mere baby talk.

I don’t think ‘Slow Ride’ is hokey, but I do think it is icky. A 17 year old girl doesn’t need to be singing that song, IMO.

Do any of the Adam fans here, take their tween daughters to this show? Adam’s segment seems to be ‘adult’ oriented, and I have to say that I am a bit surprised that moms are still taking their young children to this show. I don’t think those same parents would be taking those children to a similar show by other artists, but there is a bit of a disconnect, IMO.

Parents take their kids to see Britney and Justin Timberlake for full shows, 20 minutes of Adam Lambert fully clothed will nit damage anyone.

Also in regard to the review – this reporter obviously had no favorites, so even though his review was harsh he found something positive to write about Adam.
I write book reviews and honest reviews of books you don’t like are hard to write for fear of hurting feelings, unfortunately the idols have to get used to reporters not caring about their feelings.

Side note: It says a lot that no matter who the reviewer, professionally and non professionally, is a fan of Adam’s set gets them talking.

I am thinking the ‘moms’  are there to glory in Adam’s talent and hotness and the kids are just a cover. Irresponsible maybe but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

ROFLMAO

Ellie2, I agree I would have had no problem with taking my daughter to see Adam when she was that age.

lucy:

“I don’t know. I’m a big-time ‘alt’  fan, and I know some people who’ve gone this route. And you have to be a truly great musician and an extraordinarily creative person as well as musically educated and astute person to make it as that type of performer.

It takes way way way way way way way way more than having the right kind of voice and the looks because, unlike with more mainstream stuff like rock and pop where there are whole companies set up with writers and producers and so on ready to make you into a mainstream vision that they understand, when you’re ‘alt’  what you become is about 100 percent up to you.
You need to create a major persona with outstanding, consistently interesting music to go with it and then sell that whole persona to record labels and concert series and such.

In general, the industry isn’t going to buy ‘raw material’  alt people and then mold them. They’re going to wait until a person who’s molded him/herself to come along and say ‘” Here am I and my music; wanta buy? I suppose it’s conceivable that some label could come along and decide to ‘manufacture’  a new ‘alt’  star and, if one did, I can see that Megan could be one they’d choose, given her vocal tone, her personality, and her looks. But, in general at least, that’s just not what’s done. The companies don’t want to put that much development money and effort into manufacturing somebody who will only sell to a niche audience, as I understand it.

So does Megan have the chops to start at the ground level and make herself into an alt star? I don’t think we have any evidence, to this point, that she does.”

Yeah, you seem more “cold-blooded” than me on this (you probably know more about the industry and music in general also). Although after reading your post I feel “grounded” a little, you definitely left some hope for Megan’s bright future in the industry. And now it is her move…

Do any of the Adam fans here, take their tween daughters to this show? Adam’s segment seems to be ‘adult’ oriented, and I have to say that I am a bit surprised that moms are still taking their young children to this show. I don’t think those same parents would be taking those children to a similar show by other artists, but there is a bit of a disconnect, IMO.

I’ve thought this ever since the Season Four tour where Paris was doing her faux-Beyonce, stripper-hooker-dance with a chair. And lots of people passionately defended it as wonderful family viewing because Paris was only 17. To me, that made it worse — and even more likely that really young girls would think that mimicked sex on stage was an appropriate activity for them. People also defended it on the grounds that all the popular artists do these days so there was nothing questionable about it at a show where dancing Poptarts were running around. They were right about the “everybody does it” but when you combine it with the dancing Poptarts, it’s weird. … Hmmm. Popstars, Poptarts…. Some connection there?

Anyway, I’m torn, really, because I know that the performers don’t come on the show with the goal of being kiddie artists, so it really is unfair for them to have to do their first professional tour being kiddie performers. It’s a conundrum, to me.

I don’t have a problem with sexiness on stage, and I don’t actually think kids will pick up on what Adam does, by and large. What I don’t like to see is actual under-18 girls miming sex the way Paris did. This is where it kinda crosses the line, to me. Just because a younger girl is pretty likely to model herself on that, I would think. Again, though, a conundrum, because, at 17, Paris was herself on the verge of that being okay stage behavior for her.

Adam’s segment seems to be ‘adult’ oriented, and I have to say that I am a bit surprised that moms are still taking their young children to this show.

I may think the premise of Bambi is totally not for children and that children do not need to be exposed to the “realism” in the world…but heck, it’s Disney and the overt violence is really overlooked by Children since they can’t relate.

Many, many pop and especially rock lyrics are not only mildly suggestive but downright vulgar and most Kids bop along to the songs without really hearing the words or understanding what they mean.

Dance movements only become “suggestive and adult” through the eyes of the viewer. What may be sexually in one person’s mind does not equate that way in the views of a child…since they don’t have the same “standards” to measure them against.

Besides, Allison’s lyrics are suggestive, Danny does interesting things with his mike stand, and the list continues on. Children only see the “inappropriate” when the inappropriateness is over emphasized by a “caring” adult.

Ellie2
Jul 12th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Maybe I’m just a freak, but I wouldn’t have a problem taking my daughter to see Adam in the AI show if she was a tween. She’s 6 right now and I wouldn’t take her, mainly because I think it’s too loud and crazy for her. Honestly, I don’t think anything Adam does is so outrageous that it would be too much for a twelve-year-old. But I also think Americans (as a whole) tend to be a little too prudish about the sex stuff, so my opinion is probably not the majority one.

I agree with you Ellie2, but then again I’m not American. I do however believe that 12 year olds see a lot worse in music videos than anything Adam does on stage. The only difference that the visual sexuality in mv’s is usually focused on women, and in a very objectifying, and frankly, humiliating way. Britney Spears and Paris Hilton come to mind.

Frankly, for me, what Adam does is pretty tame. Michael jackson grabbed his crotch live on stage when I was a tween, I wasn’t shocked then, nor am I now. As for the mic fondling.. Adam didn’t invent it, again the 80′s and 90′s were full of it. I’ve seen a more libidinous performances from the likes of INXS and GreenDay.

I would have no problem with a tween seeing the show.

Okay, just because I think it’s a great review of Adam and the last line is one of the funniest things I’ve read in awhile about Adam — here’s a quote from a post on the Adam TWOP forum from someone who was at the Oakland show last night.

He was phenomenally gorgeous, sexy, and lithe. And perfect, note for note. I’ve already heard the recordings on youtube and, trust me, it doesn’t translate. It’s pretty hilarious that the cellcaster thought he was lipsynching. He wasn’t (he even messed up the lyrics to Mad World like he almost always does), but he really did sound that much better than everyone else. Again, there’s this mysterious “something” that just makes him stand out so much. It’s hard to break it down into what percetage of it is vocal quality and what percentage of it is stage presence, but there is some remarkable quality that just makes him *different* in the live show.

He made a remark in an interview about how the judges’ praise might sound less over the top if the TV audience had the same experience as the live audience. Having seen him live in this context, I completely believe him. It was really impossible not to be swept away by him. I think this also explains why even some critics who don’t really like him may be forced to take their hat off to him in their reviews of the live show. This whole tour is a set-up in which one of these things is glaringly not like the others.

Final thought for the moment: Watching an Adam Lambert performance is a religious experience in the way that a Bacchic orgy is a religious experience (except men are invited too).

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I agree with this, by the way. Adam’s singing voice live is different than in recordings, and I’m still trying to figure out quite how to define it. I could use musical terms, but I’m not even sure that would explain it — I guess it’s just one of those “when you hear it you’ll understand” kind of things. And it is really true that whether or not you like Adam’s style, you simply cannot deny his ability.

AdoK wrote:

Yeah, you seem more ‘cold-blooded’  than me on this (you probably know more about the industry and music in general also). Although after reading your post I feel ‘grounded’  a little, you definitely left some hope for Megan’s bright future in the industry. And now it is her move’ ¦

Yeah, I really do think there’s hope for her if she knowss more than she’s shown us or is willing to really work at this. I definitely think she has the basic tools. Just don’t know whether she has or will get the rest of it. … I know she’s said she’s rather an electronica/alt fan — naming Bjork and Portishead as favorite performers, for example — and I’ve wondered whether she may like hanging out with Adam because they share that. She may well have more ideas about what she’d like to do than we’ve seen from her yet. I wish she would show them, though, if she does, because every day that she doesn’t is a day that she demonstrates to the industry that she may *not* have what it takes, I’d guess ….

Will be interesting to see. Good luck to her. I’d like to hear her voice showcasing some cool music.

First, thanks to ALL of you twitterers, posters, etc. who are delivering AWESOME details on the shows. Talk about living life vicariously through others … BUT my time is coming. I’ll be at the Tulsa show in just TWO WEEKS!

I feel kinda silly asking this, but believe it or not, I’ve NEVER gone to this kind of concert before, so forgive me … what do people wear? Will I be sorry if I wear my 2 1/2-in platforms??? Have fans been sticking to the colors?

Thanks for the detailed re-cap, Heart. Glad to read that Adam had recovered and was fully back in great Adam-form. :-O

Someone up-thread said

I am a bit surprised that moms are still taking their young children to this show

You know, I think it’s a bit like some of the recent animated movies – there’s innuendo going on which young children don’t get – they get something else from the whole thing. That’s the very young children. Tweens will get most of the innuebndo – but it’s a rite of passage isn’t it ? Something to talk franklly with Mom about later? I think that’s healthy.

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lizardino: I’d be interested to hear you try to articulate what’s different about Adam’s voice live, even if it’s basically impossible–feel free to use insane metaphors a la Jacob at TWOP.

I’ve compiled a YouTube playlist of Adam’s Oakland videos ordered according to his setlist for those of you interested.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=8586003944079CF9

Will be adding more video links as they are released.

Vada, I have a 13-year old daughter and if I could I would take her to see Adam. Sex and rock and roll are okey (without drugs though). They should show more sex on TV and less violence, IMO

Of course the guy’s assessment is accurate. But he’s judging them against what you’d see in already professional performers which they are not (yet) and may never be. Absolutely the “9″ need development. They are not professionals and won a “talent contest” nothing more. You cannot infuse personality where none (or a bad one like Gokey’s) exists. Matt has some, but doesn’t really have the thing defined yet. He will. Because he loves music and performing. Anoop is improving and so will Allison’s technique. Her former experience is singing in the mall for goodness sakes. She’s immature, undeveloped. (lacking some of Spark’s composure)…That being said, the show is produced horribly. The stages are cut down to be small with alot of crap behind the performers including steps and plexiglass walls around the drummer so the performer has very little area to work without breaking an ankle. It’s DARK and gloomy with strobe lights to kill your eyes and most certainly hurts the brains of the performers. No wonder Adam mentioned having a killer headache having to deal with that crap.

The Gifted Adam Lambert is a talent I don’t think we’ve ever seen. The total package without being crazy. Even MJ with his enormous blessings was NOT the total package. (The only thing Adam may be light on is natural dance skills but his performance art makes up for it in abundance). Yes, his natural baritone and nurtured operatic tenor is the show. Personality plus, charisma, 17 years of DISCIPLINED HARD WORK, attention to detail and vocal skills in a range not enjoyed by many (thanks to hard work) all eclipse the 9. They’ll improve. But it will always be Adam Lambert’s show. His only problem is going to be people expecting way too much from him. Like signing autographs for hours. IF YOU CARE ABOUT ADAM LAMBERT, LET HIM ENJOY HIS LIFE AND STOP DEMANDING PERSONAL ATTENTION FANS! The buscaster Lauri was excellent in aggressively getting them all on the phone. But inappropriately went back to Adam to RETURN to the phone after he already gave a shoutout. That was wrong. Don’t be greedy. Give the man respect and appreciation for whatever he can give and don’t turn him into someone who needs 10 bodyguards because the fans will eat him alive.

Imagine how Utah will react to Whole Lotta Love ? Will it be a neutered and sanitized performance for that audience ?

Poor, misunderstood Utah…especially Salt Lake, home to many differing types of lifestyles. (As an aside Salt Lake has quite a large gay community that contains many of the artists that are highly respected and whose work(s) are honored by many).

Salt Lake is not a town full of intolerable prudes and is not insulated nor as moralistically backwards as many perceive. I am sure that there a thousands of Adam fans there as well as those that have heart felt feelings toward Kris and Danny. Of all the “religous” areas that the Idols will come in contact with on tour this one is probably the least judgmental of any, especially to performance groups.

Allison is my second fav after Danny aind I gotta agree with the Mercury News on saying that she’s got shades of Disney going on.

I just can’t get into what she is singing cause I know that she’s a little young experience wise for the stuff she’s belting out. Kinda makes me cringe in fact.

Plus I know Janis Joplin would never be up there with a wind-machine blowing through her hair.

Imagine how Utah will react to Whole Lotta Love ? Will it be a neutered and sanitized performance for that audience ?

Didn’t Chris Daughtry perform Whole Lotta Love during his Season 5 tour??? If I’m right and he did, Utah has already been exposed to it. Besides, rural/town/country type areas love rock music too. Music is universal. Michael Jackson’s death taught us that.

Carrie Underwood supposedly came across as a bore with no stage presence on her tour.

Honestly, Carrie still comes across as a bore with no stage presence to a lot of people. But she’s not a performer, she’s more of a singer, which is fine.

Parents take their kids to see Britney and Justin Timberlake for full shows, 20 minutes of Adam Lambert fully clothed will nit damage anyone.

Very true. With all the booty shaking, half clothed people in the music industry nowadays, Adam is the least of anyone’s worries. And don’t get me started on TV. lol

I don’t think ‘Slow Ride’ is hokey, but I do think it is icky. A 17 year old girl doesn’t need to be singing that song, IMO.

Do any of the Adam fans here, take their tween daughters to this show? Adam’s segment seems to be ‘adult’ oriented, and I have to say that I am a bit surprised that moms are still taking their young children to this show. I don’t think those same parents would be taking those children to a similar show by other artists, but there is a bit of a disconnect, IMO.

I agree with this. She’s beautiful and can sing but has no stage presences and watching her live is very boring.

I’d be interested to hear you try to articulate what’s different about Adam’s voice live, even if it’s basically impossible’“feel free to use insane metaphors a la Jacob at TWOP.

Working on it…
I may have something thought out later today, but now I have to go to work!

Tess, I think you are right about Salt Lake City. One of the few radio stations that regularly played Adam’s version of No Boundaries is in Salt Lake.

It could be a hot bed of Adam fandom for all we know.

Thanks for all of the responses to my question about the tweens. Good discussion.

So Adam is better than MJ because he is the total package? But is he bigger than Elvis? Usually the real Idol superstars are going to be bigger than the Beatles and Elvis combined. I keed, I keed.

Adam’s stuff goes way beyond Paris’ little chair act. And Daughtry did WLL on the S5 with rock star charisma but still managed to fit in perfectly with the confines of a family show. Daughtry’s secret is his appeal to straight men and women both without turning off either. And he has charisma but doesn’t exploit his sexuality in any vulgar way.

Watching an Adam Lambert performance is a religious experience in the way that a Bacchic orgy is a religious experience (except men are invited too).

Eyebrows raised. Jaw slightly dropped. Some kind of threshold must have crossed here.

An interesting and unusual word for you – euoi (or evoe), a ritualistic frenzied ecstatic cry in the worship of Bacchus. I suppose we might hear a lot of that in future concerts by Adam Lambert.

Sorry, I’m not American so I don’t understand this whole middle America thing.

Wasn’t Led Zeppelin huge in the US? Why would people react negatively to Whole Lotta Love? Robert Plant and Jimmy Page’s performances were highly sexualised to begin with. I don’t get it.

I would imagine that Daughtry’s version of Whole Lotta Love would not include rubbing certain areas of his body. Daughtry is such a PG kind of guy. He can be gritty without being lewd, which is one reason that I just love that guy.

Not that lewd isn’t fine with adult crowds, and yes, I am one of those who thinks children need to be sheltered a bit, until they are able to process the messages.

Daughtry’s secret is his appeal to straight men and women both without turning off either. And he has charisma but doesn’t exploit his sexuality in any vulgar way.

That’s debatable.

Better sound (Adam):

Starlight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_p8Ti1qTSw

Bowie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvqaSR3Nn7U

WLL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjG8oHAZlk

Slow Ride: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6lUBQauBwA

Watching the last one, Adam really does have to mop up the floor, I wonder why?

I’m still waiting for a video of Gokey and the microphone stand…

ETA: re Utah. I have a ton of Mormon friends and they are all very cool. So, while the state itself may be conservative, I don’t think Mormons are a particularly prudish bunch. Also, as far as Salt Lake City goes, there are more micro-breweries per square block in that city than any I’ve seen … (random fact) And tatooed Megan is from Utah. I agree, other areas of the country may be a harder sell than Utah.

I don’t think Adam is vulgar AT ALL.

Squirrely, did you mean that Allison was beautiful but boring, or were you talking about Carrie Underwood? I was a bit confused.

Lizardino: I look forward to hearing your thoughts if you have the time and inclination to talk about this subject later.

Squirrely, did you mean that Allison was beautiful but boring, or were you talking about Carrie Underwood? I was a bit confused.

Lizardino: I look forward to hearing your thoughts if you have the time and inclination to talk about this subject later.

Carrie Underwood = beautiful but boring

Allison = Fun exciting and entertaining

ETA: I like Carrie’s music and own her first two cds so I’m not saying that because I don’t like her.

Daughtry’s secret is his appeal to straight men and women both without turning off either. And he has charisma but doesn’t exploit his sexuality in any vulgar way.

He’s kept that secret real welll…since sexual appeal and charisma dont come to mind when I think of Daughtry

Off topic of course, but I’ve always tought his appeal was to succesfully piggyback on a pre-prepped Nickleback-liking crowd, who enjoy more of the same

Adam’s stuff goes way beyond Paris’ little chair act. And Daughtry did WLL on the S5 with rock star charisma but still managed to fit in perfectly with the confines of a family show. Daughtry’s secret is his appeal to straight men and women both without turning off either. And he has charisma but doesn’t exploit his sexuality in any vulgar way.

Neither does Adam. Vulgar is most Hip Hop music videos and lyrics, that’s vulgar. Adam is sexy and artistic.

If anyone is offended by what Adam does on stage, well then they must be both new to rock music, the whole point of Rock and Roll since it’s conception was sex appeal…. Elvis’ pelvis anyone? And completely out of touch with pop culture these days.

As for Daughtry… I spell his name with letters P S E U D O R O C K E R, his latest album? Drek. And his rendition of WLL was the definition of karaoke. It was really awful.

Carrie Underwood = beautiful but boring

Allison = Fun exciting and entertaining

I figured that was what you meant, I just wanted to clarify. And ITA with the second part (I haven’t seen enough of Carrie to have an opinion).

but doesn’t exploit his sexuality in any vulgar way.

Neither does Adam. Vulgar is most Hip Hop music videos and lyrics, that’s vulgar. Adam is sexy and artistic.

ITA with this as well. Performers from Elvis the Pelvis to MJ have been called “lewd” but IMO there’s a difference between being lewd (at least in a bad way–Kara called him “sleazy” and meant it as a compliment, so it’s hard to tell sometimes how people are using words) and being overtly sexual. Adam is overtly sexual when (ironically) appropriate.

As for Daughtry’ ¦ I spell his name with letters P S E U D O R O C K E R.

He’s clearly talented and he’s obviously sold a tremendous amount, but to me he’s basically Nickelback 2.0, and Nickelback and their ilk are not really rock. But YMMV.

terraj
Jul 12th, 2009 at 10:26 am

There is this preconceived notion that American Idol is a show geared to being family friendly and that is is something parents can sit down and enjoy with their little ones as a form of get together entertainment. Since the TV show is perceived that way, by many, there is also the assumption that the tour should be directed to the family as a unit with everything being appropriate for a 6 year old as a sixty year old.

For me, the entire premise is faulty to begin with. AI is a reality show that focuses, oftentimes, on humiliating its participants, as well as playing to the “baseness” in many viewers….therefore Bikini girl and really off the wall audition rounds. It is not, nor has it ever been billed as a family show, and to think that the tour should be designed as such is just wishful thinking from a handful of people who don’t know what else to do with their younger kids for a family night out.

The contestants (Yep, even Allison) are adults trying desperately to get noticed through the tour to ensure themselves some kind of future in the entertainment industry. And this tour is primarily aimed at a future music buying public and should contain the type of material these young artists want to do in the future. No one is going to make me believe that the stuff the girls wear during this tour or any Idol tour is appropriate for 9 year olds to lust after.

Daughtry’s secret is his appeal to straight men and women both without turning off either. And he has charisma but doesn’t exploit his sexuality in any vulgar way.

he’s kept that secret really well, since words like sexual appeal and charisma dont come into my mind anytime I think of Daughtry

Daughtry’s secret is his appeal to straight men and women both without turning off either. And he has charisma but doesn’t exploit his sexuality in any vulgar way.

It’s really hard to imagine anything more “vulgar” than that getting DAUGHTRY tatoo’d across your back. Selling 5 million CDs doesn’t change the fact that DAUGHTRY is a tool. It would be very difficult for him to “exploit his sexuality” because he doesn’t have any.

Not that lewd isn’t fine with adult crowds, and yes, I am one of those who thinks children need to be sheltered a bit, until they are able to process the messages.

Then someone needs to send the entire internet and music loving youth a memo to cease and desist this instant from watching music television and following the stars of their current time

Forget Twitter, MTV is the devil

he’s kept that secret really well, since words like sexual appeal and charisma dont come into my mind anytime I think of Daughtry

It would be very difficult for him to ‘exploit his sexuality’  because he doesn’t have any.

Lol! Exactly.

I’m glad this subject has come up because I have been wondering about the whole American Idol/Family Show/Apple Pie thing. Having been an Adam fan since early in the show, I have always felt like he was going to have to do some outlandish things to shake off the Idol stigma if he was going to ever be taken seriously by the rest of the world. OK, here comes RS where I see the beginning of what looks to me like a strategically planned move to start the process. Now I am seeing that they are allowing him much leeway in his hip grinding/human slinky moves on stage. So, without ever having seen or cared about previous Idol concerts, is AI allowing Adam more creative control than years past? Are they less concerned about the Mom/Pop middle america bible belt than years past? Or, is this just the first time a glittery alien has arrived and they let him do whatever the F he wants to?

Would love some feedback.

PS: I remember hearing about Elvis and his grinding but I actually grew up watching Michael Jackson grab his crotch…so nothing new.

I have to agree, I don’t think of sexy when I think of Daughtry. He’s a great singer, but once again, VERY few entertainers have what Adam has. Madonna, MJ and Elvis are some examples of people who have ‘IT’. IMO Adam has the POTENTIAL to be a world wide phenomenon.

Wasn’t Led Zeppelin huge in the US?

Yes, of course. Although, in fairness, most of the people who would have been shocked by the lyrics were already so freaked out by the whole style of music that they could never have even gotten to the lyrics. Led Zeppelin and the whole “album rock” genre had a profitable and large audience at the time, but it was limited almost entirely to the young end of a gaping musical generation gap.

I do think that Adam Lambert’s performance of Whole Lotta Love on American Idol is the most aggressively sexual performance in the history of the show and one of the most blatantly sexual performances in US television history. There’s a fierceness in his performance that not shocking, but certainly “scandalous”. There’s a reason that the AI producers were only showing him from the waist up. They were working overtime to avoid airing the mic stand humping and crotch grabbing.

He’s clearly very talented and he’s obviously sold a tremendous amount, but to me he’s basically Nickelback 2.0, and Nickelback and their ilk are not really rock. But YMMV.

He’s talented yes, but is he a rocker as he claims to be? not in my book, his latest album proves that much. And neither are Nickleback, I agree with you there. To me they’re just pop masquerading as rock for the cool factor.

Chipmunk
Jul 12th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Daughtry’s secret is his appeal to straight men and women both without turning off either. And he has charisma but doesn’t exploit his sexuality in any vulgar way.

he’s kept that secret really well, since words like sexual appeal and charisma dont come into my mind anytime I think of Daughtry

Ah, see? We don’t all respond to the same stimuli. I think Adam is extremely talented, but there is zero sexual appeal to be found for me. I suppose the differences evolved, to keep the gene pool more diverse.

I like the quiet masculine types, so Chris and Kris are sexy to me.

Daughtry’s actually kind of hot in person but to each his own. And I appreciated seeing WLL without the crotch grab to emphasize “every inch of my love.” I don’t need the visual to convey the meaning. To me that puts it into the vulgar or common zone. Although live it may not be as nasty as it looks on video. No reviewer has commented on it so maybe it works well in the arenas. And since Adam’s fans are experiencing a religous experience/orgy, I’m sure they’re digging it.

Moved to new thread.

Moved to new thread.

Weighing in on the is Adam’s set too sexually charged for tweens: I say no and no. As many have cited, he is no more sexually overt than legions of entertainers most of grew up with – Madonna, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, Rod Stewart, Van Halen, I could go on and on. And although Michael Jackson’s crotch-grabbing may have been more about choreography than sexual overtones, it was prolific.

When he performed the half-time show at the Super Bowl in (’93?) we had an over/under bet on how many times he’d grab his crotch during the performance. There were 25 people gathered around the TV counting. The highest bet was 28. The actual number: like 39. And this was network TV in a 10-minute (maybe) performance.

In general, I think tween/teens are far more familiar with the non-WalMart-versions of popular music and pretty much take it in stride.

what do people wear? Will I be sorry if I wear my 2 1/2-in platforms???

Well, I’m wearing 4-inch heels. LOL. I’m in the third row and I’m not taking a chance I won’t be able to see over some tall person right in front of me. I’m going to get as close to being 6 feet tall as I possibly can!

Ellie2 THIS
I used to live in North America for a long time, now returned to Poland, my home country. I totally agree with you that America (Canada to much lesser degree) is too prudish. My motto is spread love, not violence. Love hasn’t killed anybody and well, all our children have been born out of sex ))

ETA: re Utah. I have a ton of Mormon friends and they are all very cool. So, while the state itself may be conservative, I don’t think Mormons are a particularly prudish bunch.

I think if Utah was all that prudish on average they wouldn’t be producing all the Latin ballroom dancers they keep churning out for DWTS and SYTYCD…. On the other hand, maybe that’s all sublimation!

The movement’s pretty hot — in theory, anyway.

I used to live in North America for a long time, now returned to Poland, my home country. I totally agree with you that America (Canada to much lesser degree) is too prudish. My motto is spread love, not violence. Love hasn’t killed anybody and well, all our children have been born out of sex ))

Amen, sister! Of course, I was born on a commune and raised by a bunch of pot-smoking, left-of-liberal hippies. So again, my views may not follow majority rule. LOL. But as a mom, I know that having my kids exposed to violent images is lot more worrisome to me than sexual ones. And I don’t think anything Adam’s done on the tour is so over-the-top I’d feel the need to protect my kids from seeing it.

Just wondering: were these debates as passionate last year? Was it a Cook v Archie is situation? I know ppl preferred Cook (me) to Archie (my nieces), but this seems to be pretty strong. I’ve been wondering about this for weeks, so I am really curious. Yes, they are polarizing figures in performance, and in musical song selections, but so what? I like Lady GaGa *and* Jason Mraz/The Fray/Gavin DeGraw, and own albums by all three artists.

As for Adam, when did her pretend to be mild-mannered? He went as far as he could on Idol with WLL, and I think a lot a lot of us who watched WLL (womannnn you neeeeed it, ba ba) are not surprised that he took it to the next level. Zodiac show, anyone? If a parent takes her kid to the show and expects him to be subtle and subduded, then she hasn’t been paying attention. And there are a lot of screaming teens/teens who went crazy when he was on stage during Idol who did not do the same for, say, Anoop. Not a commentary, just an observation. Maybe family-friendly isn’t the right word, but I didn’t see him taking off his clothing and doing a pole dance, either, in the youube clips. And what do you think Britney does on stage?!

Adam’s stuff goes way beyond Paris’ little chair act.

I completely agree. But the difference to me is between a grown man doing it (appropriate, to me) and a young girl doing it (*possibly* inappropriate since she’s likely to be such a direct role model for other much younger girls.) I hvae nothing against people doing sexual miming on stage when they know what they’re doing. But I wonder whether seeing somebody like Paris doing this, seven-year-olds aren’t likely to mimic *that*, as they would be less likely to mimic an adult, is all.

It’s the same problem I have with selling bikinis with sexually suggestive words printed on them in the 7-year-old clothing section. I don’t have any problem with seven-year-olds seeing adults in the same stuff because that level of sexuality is appropriate to adults. But when seven-year-olds or 10-year-olds do it, they don’t know what they’re doing, and I wonder whether encourage them to confuse overt sexuality with perfectly average behavior for young children is a good thing. That was and is my issue with the Paris thing. Again — just wondering. I do think it’s a question, though. What will they actually imitate and accept as normal *kid* behavior? And I hope it’s not sripper dancing.

Maybe it’s just because I have been keeping up with Adam through the blogs and internet this year, but I have had a feeling that there are many many more older somethings going to the concert this year? I mean, Archie was popular but wasn’t that mainly 12 year olds? and David Cook (whom I like) never generated this kind of buzz that I ever noticed. In other words, there hasn’t been any Idol that actually had any real sex appeal that I recall from past seasons. Adam’s WLL has to be a first for AI…. and I have been really pleased ( :devil_tb: that they have let him do the rock star thing on the set.

surprised…but pleased.

PS, I would take my teenager to see Adam, but I would NOT let my young teen go to a Brittney concert.

Hmm…this is a really interesting discussion. I agree with everyone who has said there is something different between a young girl watching Adam’s performance and having her watch another young girl performing in a sexually explicit way or performing that way herself. I didn’t let my 6-year-old join the dance company at her dance class b/c the outfits were too OTT (fishnets, midriff tops, false eyelashes) and the dances were verging on obscene for that age. But she’s watched, over my shoulder, some of the video of Adam from the concerts and it didn’t concern me.

Maybe it’s just because I have been keeping up with Adam through the blogs and internet this year, but I have had a feeling that there are many many more older somethings going to the concert this year?

No, American Idol has appealed to many “older somethings” since Clay Aiken and Season 2. Taylor Hicks, David Cook, and Daughtry all have a strong base of middle-aged fans as well.

I mean, Archie was popular but wasn’t that mainly 12 year olds?

No. Archie has many older fans.

and David Cook (whom I like) never generated this kind of buzz that I ever noticed. In other words, there hasn’t been any Idol that actually had any real sex appeal that I recall from past seasons.

Isn’t that in the eye of the beholder? I’ve been watching this stuff closely since Season 3, Constantine, Bo, Chris, Taylor, Cook all have had fans who think their fav is the equivalent of sex on a stick. All the Idols I mentioned put on sets during their concerts that had their fans mesmerized. Cook, last year, was enormously well received.

And weighing in on the Chris Daughtry deal, I think he does have sex appeal. Not my type really, but judging from what I saw on the Season 5 tour, he had plenty of concert goers in an absolute frenzy over his performances.

Again, it’s all in the eye of the beholder.

One other note about Chris, I was amazed at his ability to hold that arena in the palm of his hand–without being flashy or over the top.

I have no doubt this is happening and I honestly have to question the parenting skills if they using their children as a cover especially if the child has zero interest in attending the show in the first place.

Clearone- I think you took my comment a bit too seriously. I don’t really think moms are sacrificing the innocence of their little children just to be close to Adam. I was just being snarky about Adam’s sexual magnetism.

Thanks MJ. I have really been curious about whether prior years Idols received this much buzz and blogging. I should not have used the words “sex appeal” because that is too general. Yes, I loved David Cook and thought he was so good looking. I also thought Michael Johns was good looking. I thought Bo Bice was cool looking. But none of them would look good humping the mic (for me at least.) It just seems that Adam has this additional nasty bad boy sexiness that I have not seen acted out by anyone in past shows.

Taylor? really?

(oh, one more thing. I think Kris Allen oozes with cuteness and sex appeal, the kind you want to take home to meet Dad, but not necessarily the kind that blows your mind.)

One other note about Chris, I was amazed at his ability to hold that arena in the palm of his hand’“without being flashy or over the top.

I went to the RI concert and I really didn’t see the crowd mesmerized by him, they loved him but it wasn’t crazy, but as you said it’s all in the eye of the beholder.

Not sure if this post belongs here…

I know each venue is different but I am wondering whether (since they all*seem* to have a similar stadium layout) what are the BEST seats. Money/availability not an issue let’s say. Seats for a 5’5″ Adam Lambert fan.

What is your favorite location?

Our lifestyles now are not the same as it was then. Movies, television series (on prime time), video games (ex SIMS) are all laced with sexuality, and worse – violence and drugs.

American Idol is not a Disney television show. It’s meant for family watching, but I don’t think it’s meant to be 100% appropriate for 6 year olds. Have you looked at Allison’s rocker outfit?? She looks hot! But then you remember she’s 17?

I don’t go crazy when Adam writhes and slinks across the stage, but I love, love what he does. Because that is Adam being Adam. Since the beginning he has challenged the boundaries of American Idol – and he is doing that now. Not compromising himself to be 100% accepted by everyone. That’s realistic. He said so himself, if you pleasing everyone, you are doing something wrong and you are not being yourself. He is who he is – if he’s a fierce, sexy, glit alien, then I’m going to embrace him as he is.

My opinion which is only mine is Adam does not need to be flashy he just chooses to be. It makes him stand out from all Idols before him. (and he does it believably) His Tracks of my Tears was so not flashy but he commanded such presence during it. From my perspective Adam’s show is entertaining but its his voice that is compelling, mesmerizing, and awesome and that is his true bread and butter. The rest is, well, just show.

I am now officially addicted to the Oakland WLL video. Seriously, what would we be discussing if Adam had never tried out for AI? Did Kris perform “Heartless” before whatever? Did Danny take his jacket off this time? Did Kris wear the blue/white plaid shirt or the green/tan? Did Anoop put the glasses on again? Did Matt wear the jeans with the hole or did he wear a suit? I for one would probably not be here every chance I get and I would still have a life but that is my problem.

Thank God! For Adam Lambert and the fact that he shook this hokey competion up and added some sexual energy never before seen and a vocal ability that surpasses so much out there in the real musical world. Thank you Lord!

Maybe I’m just a freak, but I wouldn’t have a problem taking my daughter to see Adam in the AI show if she was a tween. She’s 6 right now and I wouldn’t take her, mainly because I think it’s too loud and crazy for her. Honestly, I don’t think anything Adam does is so outrageous that it would be too much for a twelve-year-old.

ITA about it’s not a problem for kids/tweens. Adam is sexy, charismatic and mesmerizing on stage. It’s a combination of voice and performance and his soul. He does nothing on the AI stage that is overtly sleazy or lewd. There is something about him that is a little innocently teasing about it. It’s hard to explain. If you were young kid, you probably didn’t notice the mike stand stroking or Little Adam touching.

Some of the kiddies in my section were asleep at the end. NOT because Kris was boring! It would depend on the kid. It was late at the end. It’s certainly the best Family Friendly concert out there. No pot!

My opinion which is only mine is Adam does not need to be flashy he just chooses to be. It makes him stand out from all Idols before him. (and he does it believably) His Tracks of my Tears was so not flashy but he commanded such presence during it. From my perspective Adam’s show is entertaining but its his voice that is compelling, mesmerizing, and awesome and that is his true bread and butter. The rest is, well, just show.

I totally agree with you.

So much of ‘the show’ to me is totally unnecessary and honestly sometimes it’s uncomfortable watching him. Unlike others I don’t think of him as a sex god (can’t allow myself to go there…..and besides I can’t understand lusting after a gay man…..but I digress) and while I find him totally attractive I don’t get all hot and bothered over him. I’ve always appreciated singers for singing. They don’t have to hump mic stands to get my attention. It’s like they’re trying too hard or something when they feel they need to add that to the performance to hold onto people’s attention. Less is more in my books. Ring of Fire was totally sensual without all the added antics. I do wish he’d tone it down but I doubt he will so long as people are continuing to encourage him to do it.

Watching the last one, Adam really does have to mop up the floor, I wonder why?

I think he was mopping up Gokey’s sweaty drips all over the stage.

Adam wears a leather jacket and he never looks sweaty. He sorta just glows.

Gokey looked kinda gross at the end. But he sounded good. Even though his voice was kinda going scratchy at times. Wonder if he’s going to last til the end of tour.

Glad that you enjoyed the recap a few pages back. If you have the chance to see this year’s concert, buy the ticket. You won’t regret it. Your favorite won’t let you down and the others were entertaining.

If you’re an Adam fan, you MUST GO! It’s a taste of what he will do in the future and it’s exciting!

Kris, just like at the AI Top2, can handle performing after Adam. He can command your attention with his quiet confidence and his talent.

Did I mention there were bubbles at the end of the finale? Kradam loved the bubbles!

I’ve seen a more libidinous performances from the likes of INXS and GreenDay.

OMG Bullet in a Bible Soooo true!

Scratchy voices, headaches, voice strain…what would these people do if they were actually the whole show? I keep wondering why people bring up voice strain — they are singing for what, 10 -15 minutes per night? Let us pray that 15 minutes does not ruin or strain their voices because they will never be able to perform a 2-hour concert, 2 nights a week or whatever schedules are normal when one is on tour. (not that most of them will need to worry about it, but I’m just sayin’)

edit: please keep the conversation focused on the tour

Taylor? really?

Yes, really.

I like Adam’s singing and performances, but don’t find him particularly sexy. That doesn’t mean there’s something fundamentally wrong with me. It’s just ME and what I find appealing.

Kris is actually, much more m type, but it’s not like I’m all that crazy about him either, even though I appreciate his performances and musicianship.

One other note about Chris, I was amazed at his ability to hold that arena in the palm of his hand’“without being flashy or over the top.

Agreed. Chris doesn’t have the flashiest stage presence but not only did he command the audience at the AI shows I saw, he did the same thing when he played stadiums opening for Bon Jovi. And that’s not the typical AI crowd he had to impress.

I also thought Michael Johns was good looking. I thought Bo Bice was cool looking. But none of them would look good humping the mic (for me at least.)

I would hope none of them have to resort to humping a mic stand or grabbing their crotch for the sake of looking good.

Yes, I loved David Cook and thought he was so good looking. I also thought Michael Johns was good looking. I thought Bo Bice was cool looking. But none of them would look good humping the mic (for me at least.) It just seems that Adam has this additional nasty bad boy sexiness that I have not seen acted out by anyone in past shows.

Try to remember that just because Adam’s fans find him extremely sexy, not eveyone does. And try to remember that many of us thought that “Constantine, Bo, Chris, Taylor, Cook” as mj mentioned, all looked damn good humping the mic or any damn thing they wanted to hump. This happens every year, each new sexy guy is sexier than anyone who came before. Yawn.

For my money, nobody in hell is as sexy as David Cook, and that includes Adam. So it truly is in the eye of the beholder. Cook doesn’t need to prance around in sequins and grind his pelvis to be sexy. Just when he looks into your eyes when you’re in the audience, when he sings in that warm deep voice, when he pounds that guitar, sorry ladies, he’s got it all. And I’m sure others feel the same way about their favorites.

That’s not even to get started on the women, many of whom are va va voom too. Idol has had its share of sexy singers and that’s half of what sells the show and gets people voting.

prance around in sequins

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Everybody has their shtick! Lambert humps a stand, others do what they do..basically as individuals the likes of Cook etc have whatever works for them..Same way that Adam has what’s going for him that works, …….there’s Cook, there’s Lambert, there’s Johns et etc….All different people..Adam can sing and hold his own with the best of them, whether he chooses to screw the mic stand or not! The extras are sexy to some, or OTT and vulgar to others. It’s his voice that’s the stand out. If he didnt sing well it wouldnt matter how much he moves his hips..Th extras are nice, but the fact that he does them doesnt mean he’s compensating from some lack of something that the others have.Far from it!

One comment on Danny Gokey and his performances. I have always thought he had great vocals and I think the twit/blog universe is really hard on him. He is not my fav but I think Danny is in a growth/transition period where he is having to learn how to have a pop stage presence. It has to be hard to learn if it doesn’t come naturally or, more importantly, if you have never performed to this type of audience. If I recall, he has been more of a modest church singer and I think he will eventually loosen up a bit after he has a few shows under his belt. I know a lot of my friends liked him in the early Idol running and thought he was totally cute.

Guess I just hate to hear some of the cruel remarks that are made about him during the tour reviews and twitter (devil) tweets.

to oceana, i used to like David Cook also; but man, I bought his CD — it was all noise, not music! never want him again!

My opinion which is only mine is Adam does not need to be flashy he just chooses to be. It makes him stand out from all Idols before him. (and he does it believably) His Tracks of my Tears was so not flashy but he commanded such presence during it. From my perspective Adam’s show is entertaining but its his voice that is compelling, mesmerizing, and awesome and that is his true bread and butter. The rest is, well, just show.

Dhunken: THIS!! Exactly. As Adam did on AI, he changes up his performances, costume, make-up, hair, etc. to fit the vibe he wants to convey in the context of the song. He doesn’t NEED to hump the mic stand in WWL, but c’mon, it’s “Whole Lotta Love,” that is what the song is about and he goes there. Does he need to? No, but when has Adam done anything half way?

His choices and movement for “Mad World” are completely different, because it’s a completely different song and different mood.

He’s said countless times he LOVES every element of theatrical performance and brings it. Could he sit on a stool and do an acoustic version of “Tracks of My Tears” and still hold the audience in the palm of his hand. I believe absolutely he would, but he’s having a blast with the rest of it and from the vast majority of accounts, the audience is LOVING it.

And from the ridiculous number of times I’ve watched the YouTubes of WLL, I do too.

cles2009, sorry you didn’t like DC’s cd, I love it, and would not call it noise at all. Different strokes.

For the record, I think that Danny could easily have changed the song PYT to something else after MJ died. It might have been in good taste to do so. I wonder if they considered it.

isisdagmar, why did you put a question mark after my comment about prancing around in sequins? It’s just a snapshot way to describe Adam’s costumes, he dresses in theatrical costumes, I like them just fine, but they are very tight and show off his pelvis, he definitely bumps and grinds it, would you disagree? My point was that it’s not the only way to be sexy. That was in response to those who essentially say that “no other idol was ever sexy until Adam came along” in so many words. Bah humbug, many of them were just as sexy and even more so to their fans, and still are. My point was, I wish fans would just enjoy Adam without comparing him to other idols and always finding him superior, it rubs the wrong way sometimes.

Cook’s (lack of) hair really turns me off. I don’t find Adam sexy btw, I find him innocent….It truly is in the eye of the beholder.

That was in response to those who essentially say that ‘no other idol was every sexy until Adam came along’  in so many words.

Who ever said that? I for one do find Adam exceptionally sexy because of what I call his fierce vulnerability. Add to that I FLOVE creative, courageous, gorgeous, talented men, which is probably why I’m still single because as my sister says, “You need to find a straight gay guy,” which does have an element of truth in it.

Actually, Michael Johns is far more representative of my usual “type” and I really wish I would have gotten into AI more last year, because I thought he was hot and still do. I really like Cook as well, I think he has an incredible, soulful vulnerability which is much like Kris’, who I also find very attractive.

But for me, there is Adam’s amalgam of conflicts that come together to make him so incredibly exciting and compelling – for me. And I love how he pulls from all of these to create his persona and his performance style.

I very much agree with u Susan, Chipmunk, & Dallas. Based on AI’s and his Zodiac, Upright, Broadway/theater, etc experiences, he’s got everything. He wants to show us in the concert he’s versatility. I’m a very conservaive professional woman, straight w/ a beautiful family, never goes to AI concert, & disliked un-straight. But it’s only Adam’s uber voice/talent and charisma that changed all that. Now, I’m going to his concert today to support him! I respect un-straight & understand them since then!

Who ever said that?

I said, “in so many words” right? That means not exactly in those words, but with the same meaning.

In this very thread, just a few posts above this one, for instance:

I mean, Archie was popular but wasn’t that mainly 12 year olds? and David Cook (whom I like) never generated this kind of buzz that I ever noticed. In other words, there hasn’t been any Idol that actually had any real sex appeal that I recall from past seasons.

I think it’s pretty clear that lots of Adam fans, in their enthusiasm, have said similar things. My point again was that it’s not necessary to disparage other idols while gushing over one’s favorite. I know it might *seem* to Adam’s fans that nobody else was ever this sexy before, but honestly and sincerely, it’s not true. It just seems that way and it happens every season. Nothing to do but wait it out, apparently.

Weighing in on the is Adam’s set too sexually charged for tweens: I say no and no.

I understand that there are a lot of kids in the audience, and I know this is kind of selfish of me, being a full-fledged adult and all, but all I gots to say is, they better not ask Adam to tone it down by the time he rolls around to the east coast. Just saying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6lUBQauBwA

aww, adam wipes the slippery floor, so allison does not get hurt

Ya’ll are missing my point.

You don’t need to prove to me that you think Adam or any Idol is sexy. Really, you don’t need to explain it to me . I’m just trying to make the point–and it started with the pile-on of Daughtry–that what one considers sexy up on that concert stage is extremely subjective.

“Kris is actually, much more m type, but it’s not like I’m all that crazy about him either, even though I appreciate his performances and musicianship.”

- mj, I’m glad you said this because you are getting me confused all the while. During the AI competition, you mentioned that you are an Adam fan but I’ve been noticing that your posts mostly are in favor of Kris or in defense of Kris.

At first too, I was getting scared about Adam’s WLL “mic act” that it might offend some people but when I saw Gokey doing it too, then I thought it will be fine. Adam just made it appear “sexier” because he paused when doing it and he is known to be more daring and sexy.

Personally? I always find it annoying that there are little kids at these AI concerts. I go to hear a concert by adults, and kids are antsy and annoying. I say that parents take them there at their own risk. It is not a family show in that sense. Many of the singers are sexy and that is half of their charm. They should not tone it down for little kids. It’s not a kid’s show.

Again, don’t get me wrong. MJ was right when she said sex appeal comes in many forms. I loved Michael Johns and still think he is hot hot. But, having said this, I was wild with joy when Adam first performed on AI, glammed up eyeliner, painted nails and all. The difference for me is the edgy rockstar quality that he just seems to naturally exude. I have Rob Thomas CDs …. but when I want high energy excitement, I go back to my Van Halen, AC/DC, Rolling Stones CDs. Adam has this whole package that we just haven’t seen in awhile, IMO. Not for everybody I know. Have you ever noticed how, when he is interviewed by the likes of Nancy O’Dell or Jillian whatshername, they seem actually giddy? and he’s not even straight.

He is a “performer” and he draws from his theatrical abillity to change up his performances and make them exciting for what seems to be a ton of fantards like myself. In fact, he seems like two different people when he is just talking to interviewers and “folks” and then transforms completely when he walks out on stage. Love it. And….reading through the list of writers/producers who have wanted to work with him, I am not alone in seeing this potential superstar quality.

I think it takes some kind of special quality to “sustain” a position in the music world so I guess only time will tell.

I’m not a mom. I’m not conservative. I’m not religious. But I do find Adam’s performance laughable. I mean whatever dude. Stroking the mic stand between your leg like it’s your c#ck at an American Idol concert is just obnoxious. Save it for your own personal show that you are headlining – more power to ya! You should perform in concert to the same appropriateness level as you did on the t.v. show called American Idol. That’s what parents would expect. I’m taking my 10 year niece to the show and she and I will go get a snack when Adams on.

Also I am a surprised at the double standard here. Talking about what Britney does, and Allisons clothes and Paris’ chair dance and hiding behind the “age appropriate” banner when doing so. If it’s not appropriate for them to do because it’s bad for young girls to see why isn’t it bad for young to see him simulate a sex act on stage. And anyone who says he isn’t is deluding themselves.

And finally I wonder how people would feel if a heterosexual idol contestant did what Adam did. You see Adam doing it no real “threat” to any of the woman or young girls out there – the ultimate safe sex – watching a gay guy faux masturbate to a bunch of screaming women. I have a feeling if that if a straight guy stroked his mike between his legs like he was beating off people would be singing a different tune. Sorry for my descriptions but just keeping it real by talking about what it is he is demonstrating.

Reminder:

Please keep your remarks focused on the tour. Fanwanking with no point except to gush about your favorite is off topic.

@cles2009 WOW. That’s an extremely powerful post and truly indicative of the power of music or talent or even this show ‘“ to emotionally connect people to someone they thought they might never understand. Times, they are a-changing.

@oceana, yeah, I did get what you meant. It was a little tongue-in-cheek. I know us Adamtards do come across as if he invented sex (he didn’t right?). And maybe it’s more that he is so against the traditional grain of “teen heartthrob” sexy that we have come to expect.

Believe me, if you told me in January that in a couple of months I’d be obsessed with a gay, theatrical singer with a penchant for jewelry, spikes and makeup, I’d be like, “Yeah effin’ right!” But then again, you never know I guess.

mj, I’m glad you said this because you are getting me confused all the while. During the AI competition, you mentioned that you are an Adam fan but I’ve been noticing that your posts mostly are in favor of Kris or in defense of Kris and are not favorable to Adam.

LOL! Let me explain:

I can be an Adam fan without blowing smoke up his ass 24/7. I think it’s possible to criticize and still be a fan.

Having said that, my definition of “fan” may be different than yours.

While I’m an Adam fan, I’m also a Kris fan. I look forward to both their sets on the tour and expect to enjoy them both for different reasons.

Not sure if this post belongs here’ ¦

I know each venue is different but I am wondering whether (since they all*seem* to have a similar stadium layout) what are the BEST seats. Money/availability not an issue let’s say. Seats for a 5′ ²5′ ³ Adam Lambert fan.

What is your favorite location?

The best sections would be floor seats, as close to center and near the stage as possible, but everyone is at the same level there, so I’ve heard you will likely be standing a lot more (if someone is randomly standing in front of you, or has a sign you may be forced to stand a lot too, even if you don’t want to).
I’ve heard the energy is very high and infectious in floor seats though.

I usually get the first section right near the stage (only be careful to be on the aisle further out, or else you will be almost behind the idols when they are performing (too much back action), or the next section on the side (lower level) in front of the stage). Just my 2 cents.

Believe me, if you told me in January that in a couple of months I’d be obsessed with a gay, theatrical singer with a penchant for jewelry, spikes and makeup, I’d be like, ‘Yeah effin’ right!’  But then again, you never know I guess.

Exactly.

The topic – the tour – and my initial question was something like “has anyone else been allowed to be as sexually suggestive as Adam is in the videos I have seen of his WLL or Bowie performances?”

“LOL! Let me explain:

I can be an Adam fan without blowing smoke up his ass 24/7. I think it’s possible to criticize and still be a fan. ”

- I agree mj and I understand. I too am scared about Adam pushing the envelope further that other people might not take it and I hope that he is aware of it. I am a conservative but with an open mind. But I love Adam just the same because of his vocals and what he brings on the table. It’s not as the same intensity with Kris but I also admire Kris.

Reminder:

Again, I don’t want this discussion to degenerate in to an adam lambert fanwanking party.

Testimonials on how and why you love your favorite are totally off-topic to this thread.

Please get back to talking about last night’s show.

whyso: I don’t find either Allison’s clothes or Adam’s love for his mike stand inappropriate or obnoxious. IMO, the business with the mike stand is quite suggestive but not the equivalent of “simulating a sex act.” For that he’d have to whip out a dildo or pull a Meg Ryan or something, which I doubt will happen at any point soon. Adam and Allison are physical, sexy performers (I’m 20 and female, I’m allowed to say that about Allison). They were that way on the show, and they’re just upping it a bit now in the freer context of the tour. Obviously YMMV and people can remove their children if they want to, but I don’t see anything scandalous in their behavior onstage (and the crowds in general seem to agree given the love they show them).

If a straight guy did that? Well, many straight guys have done it or something similar: Elvis, Robert Plant, Michael Jackson (he was perceived as straight anyway, though who knows), Steven Tyler, etc., and all of them were met with a similar mixture of joy and disgust.

“If a straight guy did that? Well, many straight guys have done it or something similar: Elvis, Robert Plant, Michael Jackson (he was perceived as straight anyway, though who knows), Steven Tyler, etc., and all of them were met with a similar mixture of joy and disgust.”

Duh I know that and have enjoyed by a performer I like but NOT at an AMERICAN IDOL concert or by a straight idol contest…I’m talking IDOL here not just any concert. IDOL is a family show. They advertise it as such. That’s all I’m saying.

I’m not a mom. I’m not conservative. I’m not religious. But I do find Adam’s performance laughable. I mean whatever dude. Stroking the mic stand between your leg like it’s your c#ck at an American Idol concert is just obnoxious. Save it for your own personal show that you are headlining to what all your fans are predicting will be the most life change and epic events on this here plant earth – more power to ya! You should perform in concert to the same appropriateness level as you did on the t.v. show called American Idol. That’s what parents would expect. I’m taking my 10 year niece to the show and she and I will go get a snack when Adams on.

From my understanding, Anoop does some sexy moves and Danny is now straddling the mic. I haven’t seen the show so I don’t know for sure but that is what I read. The only difference is fans aren’t going on about Danny and Anoop’s moves. Also, with those thigh high boots, Megan is looking like a wee bit of a street walker. And isn’t Allison wearing a corset with garter belts for Slow Ride?

My youngest daughter loved Adam on A.I. I like Adam. So we are going. She loves to sing and won a little award in music class last year. I bought our tickets the first day they went on sale before I knew who won or what the concert would be like because I thought it would be a fun thing for us to do together. She is in first grade. I will bring ear plugs. If it is too loud for her, I am prepared to take many breaks to the concesssion stands. She will not understand anything in regards to the dance moves with the mic etc., as she doesn’t know what it means. If it is raunchy, and she picks up on it (which I highely doubt) then it is a conversation we can have together. To me, the concert looks like a blast.

Susan M:….but c’mon, it’s ‘Whole Lotta Love,’  that is what the song is about, and he goes there.

And, has oft been noted, he very conspicuously and conscientiously doesn’t go there when he’s singing “Slow Ride”, another song giving technique tutelage about how to achieve maximum coital reaction. Because his duet partner is a 17-year-old.

But WLL? Practically a Zeppelin fanatic’s duty to give every inch.

Too unleashed? Versus 50 cent lyrics? Or Eminem’s? No matter what your definition of “is” is, the average music video is about under-dressed females writhing away before they give the star the full Lewinsky.

The country is in a crippling recession. With 16.4% unemployment, if you consider all factors. There are families on the streets because of foreclosures and millions of people’s savings decimated. Disposable income got disposed, especially for retirees who might attend themselves, or treat the kids and grandchildren. It is astounding the Idol Tour stadiums are so full.

Whether Adam Lambert is this year’s Idol Flavor-of-the-Hunk with a Thanksgiving expiration date, or a two-decade Icon-in-the-Making, he’s the main reason for the crowds. Without him, the very expensive Idol Tour ticket might be experiencing a whole lotta more recession.

So, the most likely reason any tour honcho would have any discussions with him about WLL, would be to ask if he’d like a bigger mic stand.

Hey Jude video from Uuliani is up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne89Pi2Eqv0&feature=channel

And finally I wonder how people would feel if a heterosexual idol contestant did what Adam did. You see Adam doing it no real ‘threat’  to any of the woman or young girls out there – the ultimate safe sex – watching a gay guy faux masturbate to a bunch of screaming women. I have a feeling if that if a straight guy stroked his mike between his legs like he was beating off people would be singing a different tune. Sorry for my descriptions but just keeping it real by talking about what it is he is demonstrating.

edit: DO NOT question the motives of your fellow posters!

I certainly don’t get a “beating off” sense from Adam and his mic stand. He’s singing a sexy song and expressing himself accordingly. Since the song is sung to another, it’s difficult for me to get a self-gratification vibe from how Adam sings and dances to it. To each her own, I guess.

But, that’s beside the point, really. What does any of that have to do with being gay or straight? Seems to me it’s more to do with being human.

And I seriously doubt that most people are spouting off a collective sigh of relief (as opposed to release) as they concentrate on how he’s “no real ‘threat’” to them. LOL

Maybe I’ll just go back to “Wow” and leave it at that.

ETA:

My youngest daughter loved Adam on A.I. I like Adam. So we are going. She loves to sing . . . I bought our tickets the first day they went on sale before I knew who won or what the concert would be like because I thought it would be a fun thing for us to do together. She is in first grade. I will bring ear plugs. If it is too loud for her, I am prepared to take many breaks to the concession stands. She will not understand anything in regards to the dance moves with the mic etc., as she doesn’t know what it means. If it is raunchy, and she picks up on it (which I highly doubt) then it is a conversation we can have together. To me, the concert looks like a blast.

Yes, exactly, me (and my daughter and nieces) too.

This whole discussion initally started over the current AI concert vs. REGULAR rock concerts and whether the sexually suggestive WLL performance by Adam is something new for AI. I haven’t seen that many 10 year olds at the AD/DC concerts.

(And now, I shall retreat, have some greens and fiber bread for lunch, take something for my headache, and watch some more WLL videos from last nights concert.) Ciao.

LMAO FifthHouseSun! Hilariously well said!!

I happen to agree with those who find Adam brilliantly gifted. When he sings, the emotion and energy are such that I feel like I just got punched in the stomach (in a good way), and he uses his voice like an instrument in a way that I have only rarely experienced. Allison has a similar effect–she’s really something special. I also enjoy Kris quite a bit. I find Matt and Anoop and a couple of others talented, but not really that interesting to me right now. There are thousands, millions, of opinions floating around about these guys.

Just a note: David Bowie literally created a persona–Ziggy Stardust–a character he inhabited onstage, and he had about as much music in his soul as you could get. Theatricality and connectedness are not mutually exclusive, any more than being low-key and being exciting are mutually exclusive.

And I seriously doubt that most people are spouting off a collective sigh of relief (as opposed to release) as they concentrate on how he’s ‘no real ‘threat”  to them. LOL

Maybe I’ll just go back to ‘Wow’  and leave it at that.

I agree with this. It’s not about gay or straight, or whom I find “sexually threatening.” It’s about what’s sexy. Adam is sexy to me, and the way he he moves on stage is sexy. That’s all it is. If a straight guy could move like that (and some can), I’d find that sexy too.

And i’ts AI, but I don’t think these guys need to make it a G-rated show. And clearly several of them–Anoop, Adam, Allison, possibly Danny–are not.

edited the original remark, as it violated my guidelines

I certainly don’t get a ‘beating off’  sense from Adam and his mic stand. He’s singing a sexy song and expressing himself accordingly. Since the song is sung to another, it’s difficult for me to get a self-gratification vibe from how Adam sings and dances to it. To each her own, I guess.

But, that’s beside the point, really. What does any of that have to do with being gay or straight? Seems to me it’s more to do with being human.

And I seriously doubt that most people are spouting off a collective sigh of relief (as opposed to release) as they concentrate on how he’s ‘no real ‘threat”  to them. LOL

Maybe I’ll just go back to ‘Wow’  and leave it at that.”

edited the original remark…

What do you think he is doing with the mic stand? It’s sexual. It’s between his legs and he’s stroking it lovingly – if that’s not beating off what is it? At an AI concert.

So, the most likely reason any tour honcho would have any discussions with him about WLL, would be to ask if he’d like a bigger mic stand.

Hehehehhehehee

And finally I wonder how people would feel if a heterosexual idol contestant did what Adam did. You see Adam doing it no real ‘threat’  to any of the woman or young girls out there – the ultimate safe sex – watching a gay guy faux masturbate to a bunch of screaming women. I have a feeling if that if a straight guy stroked his mike between his legs like he was beating off people would be singing a different tune. Sorry for my descriptions but just keeping it real by talking about what it is he is demonstrating.

I’d hate to burst your bubble, but I haven’t lived 35 years to only be exposed to overtly sexual performances by Adam Lambert. Believe it or not he didn’t invent these moves.

I think you rather underestimate the audacity of the female libido, and more importantly the feminine imagination.

FifthHouseSun

Whether Adam Lambert is this year’s Idol Flavor-of-the-Hunk with a Thanksgiving expiration date, or a two-decade Icon-in-the-Making, he’s the main reason for the crowds. Without him, the very expensive Idol Tour ticket might be experiencing a whole lotta more recession.

So, the most likely reason any tour honcho would have any discussions with him about WLL, would be to ask if he’d like a bigger mic stand.

LOL!!

I’m amazed that none of the tapers have shown up to an Idol concert.

Taylor had fans who were/ are tapers. Some of his fans became tapers because of him. They record other, better (sorry, still Taylor fans) bands and acts now.

None of the tapers saw the point of recording him doing a few Disney-style cover songs, so they didn’t bother with the Idol show. There are some great recordings of the “shadow tour” shows out there, and of his solo shows.

I still wouldn’t mind a few decent mps of Kris, Adam, Allison, Anoop, or Matt. If one of you ladies with good cleavage, a good seat, and a willingness not to scream or move around too much during certain songs felt motivated to learn about recording devices…

19E has no reason to allow archive.org to post their shows. It gains them nothing, and I’m not really sure that many people would really be interested in a few mediocre Disney-style covers. Save that push for the solo shows. He’ll need it then.

Hey FifthHouse! Long time, no hear. You’re right; the Idol tour is an entertainment experience and no one ever said they were sanctioned by Disney or Nickelodeon. “American Idol” is about making money for all involved and to let their talent have free reign (with some limitations, surely) is going to make the brand more profitable, that is what they’re going to do. As Adam said, they let him make the decision about how he wanted to handle his sexuality; in other words, they weren’t attempting to censor him. Why would they do it now? The shit is working.

It’s up to the parents to decide what is or is not right for their families. And as undercooked said, it will be an opportunity to have a conversation, if it comes to that.

Singers (male and female) have exploited the phallic aspects of the mic stand since they invented mic stands and microphones, for that matter.

@lasdpride: Color me completely baffled by that. Whatevs!

I am very pleased that there are links to performance for all the Idols from this show. Though I do have my favorites. (Adam, Kris, Allison) I wanted for the longest time to get a full perspective of all the Idols and the concert. Finally got to see Megan and Michael. I think all the Idols are so much better then the way they were perceived on tv. Yes some are more dynamic and better singers and performers then others but I really feel this whole group all put their best game forward and make the whole concert wonderful. Though I never was a big fan of Michael I have to say he has proven to be the biggest surprise for me, Both in his performance and in his attitude. I fully respect his appreciation of being in the top 10 and enjoying the moment and giving it his all. He, like Megan, may never get recording contracts but I think they both will be mildly successful in the entertainment industry in some aspect. (Think Kimberley Cauldwell)

edit: nice stats, but it’s totally off topic

If you want some mp3′s of Kris, Adam, Allison, etc. check out the ontd_ai site. They have some MP3s (and videos) available to download from the first few shows. These are usually found in threads entitled something along the lines of: (name of city) videos

I’ve already downloaded MP3s of Kris (including All These Things That I Have Done), Adam, Allison and Matt off these threads.

By the way, this is from the Sacramento show, but it’s a great video shot from the 1st row of Kris debuting All These Things That I Have Done (it also has Heartless on it). This really shows his performance style and how happy he was doing ATTID — I love and appreciate seeing all the fan videos that people post, but it’s really cool to see one shot from right in front of the stage (there are other videos of the Sac show (of several of the singers, not just Kris) shot from the 1st row on the ontd_ai site)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQrEMab1iwo&eurl=http://lj-toys.com/?journalid=20128880&moduleid=879&preview=&auth_token=sessionless:1247421600:embedcontent:20128880%26879%26:68&feature=player_embedded

Another slam dunk performance from Matt!!!

I am so glad that he is doing so well on this tour, he is Gonna ROCK this summer :clap_tb:

I am still looking forward to the concert tour coming to the South — so I haven’t seen it yet. But I have seen Adam, Daughtry and Taylor live. Daughty and Taylor in post-Idol concerts; Adam just doing “Mad World” so not a very sexy performance — and still Adam was by far the sexiest of the three to me.

Taylor Hicks: As pointed out, Taylor has loads of women swooning when I saw him in concert. He was very nice and gracious and put on a good show. Not too sexy to me, but it was clear that some women were really into him.

Daughtry: I saw Daughty as an opening act for Bon Jovi where I had great seats and I was struck by how short and pudgy Chris was. IMO he is not a very attractive man. Although I don’t recall any girls really screaming for Chris, Daughtry was great in concert — he has a very distinctive, powerful voice — and the crowd loved him. I also thought he was great.

Adam: I absolutely love Adam — and as I admitted above — I think he is sexy. (In other words – I am a OTT Adam fan and not objective.) I met Adam once, briefly. He is gorgeous, polite and really seemed humbled by all the attention. And almost every women who met him seemed completely taken — even the Kris fans. There just is something about him that goes beyond words.

That said, I can see how people can think that he is too choreographed or theatrical — he doesn’t go as far as Bowie, Madonna or Lady GaGa — but his fusion of theatrical style with rock music isn’t completely worked out yet. Looking at the concert videos to date, I think that there are a couple times where he would be better if he was less “theatrical” — Starlight and part of the Bowie medley. I also think that the Adamized high note riff in “Let’s Dance” should be dropped, or at least he should pull it back a bit.

Honestly, if there was a Disney-esque “safe” way to hump a mic stand, Adam has found it. I’ve seen a couple of videos of it now, and it just looks awkward and kinda silly to me. If he just stood there and drew out the line even more, that would be a sexier move. Not that I’m attracted to him, but he could make me *want* even more in his interpretation of the line. I blame the show, not Adam. It’ll always be Disney on Ice. YMMV, of course.

Also…Kris doing The Killers in lieu of No Boundries? That is pretty damn awesome.

If you want some mp3′s of Kris, Adam, Allison, etc. check out the ontd_ai site. They have some MP3s (and videos) available to download from the first few shows. These are usually found in threads entitled something along the lines of: (name of city) videos

The key here is high quality mp3s. Tapers have better devices than the cameras these people are using.

Where are the other Danny videos? I wanna see where he copies Adam.

Personally I don’t see anything vulgar or over sexual about Adam’s performance … what he does is nothing that can’t be seen in numerous music videos and performances by many other artists on TV.

Also as far as AI being a family show …. if that’s the case then perhaps they should’t invite acts like Flo Rider to perform if they want to stick to the wholesome image.

Adam’s just being who he is .. I find his performances more sensual than sexual .. it probably just goes over the heads of the kids too young to understand these things and I doubt that anyone feels “threatened” by a bit of crotch thrusting and mic stroking.

I also don’t see a big deal out of Alison, at 17 singing Slow Ride …. as far as I’m concerned (at least here in the UK), she’s over the age of consent .. and if we can get over “Harry Potter” stripping naked in Equus then I don’t see a big deal over Alison singing that song.

If the concert was to be totally family friendly then they should be singing Disney songs … I mean the lyrics to “Hard to Handle” could also be interpreted to be a bit sexual

Theatricality and connectedness are not mutually exclusive, any more than being low-key and being exciting are mutually exclusive.

Amen to that. It’s not like he’s one of those folk who can’t sing a lick and has to do shit to cover up that fact. If he chose to strip it down and simply feature the voice, he could do that, because he’s got nothing to hide, and frankly he is peerless at this point in the business. Who sings like him currently? Might it be a handicap in the world of top 40 maybe, but for those who want something more, that’s Adam for me.

As for who is sexy and who is not, it’s silly to argue. That’s a personal thing, what rings my bell may not ring yours. Women were throwing panties at Clay and gay or not, it seems futile, sorta like throwing my undies at Opie Taylor. I find there have always been sexy guys on AI. I think Adam is pushing those boundaries though in that celebrates it more than the others, and I find it utterly fascinating. BTW, I am gonna put that order in for a bigger mic stand cause whatever baby boy requires, he’s gotta have.

weareallinnocent – Thanks I appreciate it! I guess I didn’t convey my thoughts perfectly either. My issue with Adam isn’t the gay thing. In fact to clarify I am a member of PFLAG for what it’s worth I have two gay sibling a brother and a sister. And the fact that he’s gay does factor into how he performs and how he is received. Woman have gay male friends that aren’t a “threat” to their husbands or boyfriends. Woman can’t be as close to straight male friends as they are to gay male friends and not have it be threat to their husbands or boyfriends. Does that help clarify my choice of the word.

My issue is with Adam’s performances. And the fact that he some how is held to a different standard. But that is my issue. Sometimes I feel the need to rise up and comment when I read endless praises of him. I guess I’m being defensive. But I want people to understand that Adam is not the greatest thing since sliced bread to everyone. Not even close. To not share that would seem false. Adam seems like a great guy but his performances do nothing for me. So like I said I’ll take my niece and get a snack and rush back in for the (my) star of the show Kris Allen!

Anyways sorry for the misunderstanding and I really do appreciate your clarification of the baggage thing. Cheers!

I can’t even begin to tell you how tired I am of people hiding behind “too theatrical” or “OTT” when they really mean “too gay”. Why is it ok for tons of other performers (Plant, Michael Jackson etc etc.) to grab their crotch, to gyrate, to hump the air, the audience, the mic stand etc., but it is somehow different for Adam? And a 17 year old singing about a “Slow Ride” – hello??? IMHO, Adam has more vocal skills than any other two put together and clearly the industry thinks so too??!! Ok, feel better now, just ignore me….

I have a question about Kris’ stage set up. Sorry if it’s been answered before in a previous thread…

It looks like when he comes out they drop a scrim, so that it appears that it draws the focus to Kris with only the ghost of the band behind the cloth. Is that right? Is there a projected classic theatre neon sign on stage left? I don’t think they’ve done that before with a performer…or am I wrong?

I really liked Adam’s lighting set up and his projections didn’t look as cheesy as years past.

Can some one talk more about the set up for each performer, or direct me to good photos of the set up? I want to know who did the design this year. It seems a lot less b-movie tinfoil alien spaceship, and that’s pretty awesome!

I can’t even begin to tell you how tired I am of people hiding behind ‘too theatrical’  or ‘OTT’  when they really mean ‘too gay’ .

I think Adam is “OTT” and “too theatrical” at times, and I definitely don’t mean “too gay.” I’ve worked in theatre off and on for 15 years, and I know straight performers who come off the same way. Saying someone’s performance style is better suited to Broadway is not an insult, but some fans defensiveness would make you think it was.

ETA: It’s not the crotch grabbing, it’s the putting his hand to his face every time he sings “face” or “see” that’s theatrical. Also, running your hands down your body is only sexy if you have the body of Marilyn Monroe or Christina Hendricks. Otherwise…theatrical. I’ll clarify that this is my opinion, and YMMV since it seems to be necessary when discussing Adam, but hopefully it’s understood.

Forgive me for being late to the party but this is priceless MJ

Fanwanking

This is a new term for me, very funny, filing it in my Colloquial word bank.

I really like Adam’s dancing during the Bowie Medley at this concert. Seems like he is perfecting this as he goes. (And I was put-off by his dance moves in the earlier videos).

Maybe he was “forcing” some of those moves in the beginning and is now more comfortable and doing what comes more naturally? Who knows…

Regardless, it is really all about his vocals (for me) anyway.

And finally I wonder how people would feel if a heterosexual idol contestant did what Adam did. You see Adam doing it no real ‘threat’  to any of the woman or young girls out there – the ultimate safe sex – watching a gay guy faux masturbate to a bunch of screaming women. I have a feeling if that if a straight guy stroked his mike between his legs like he was beating off people would be singing a different tune. Sorry for my descriptions but just keeping it real by talking about what it is he is demonstrating.

Hmmm depends on the band and the crowd, ehem. Mic stand sex. Bwah.

Having said that. it is interesting how parents will still bring their kids to see such bands who are clearly not targeting kids but parents bring them anyway. Concerts don’t seem to come with ratings, just rely on parental common sense.

Now the Foo Fighters are not sexually suggestive as sexy as Mr. Grohl was that particular evening I saw him last summer but the language was not PG rated, the F words were flying pretty good all night long, loud and clear too, but there were 5 year old kids dancing to the Foo Fighters right beside us all night and many families, three generations sometimes all out boogieing and moshing. The more delicate types though may have been at the Jack Johnson concert at the other main stage.

Also, running your hands down your body is only sexy if you have the body of Marilyn Monroe or Christina Hendricks.

In your opinion – there are lots of people who could do same that I would find sexy.

I also have been involved in theatre and as far as concerts go, there are lots of musicians who give performances that are VERY similar and are not so labelled. I will clarify as well, that it is only my opinion and I completely understand that others have completely different musical taste.

For you, lavender1960…try not to let your life get sucked away.

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UGH. Off to delete a bunch of OFF TOPIC POSTS.

Do you guys just skip over my mod posts? I’m getting tired of repeating myself.

I really like Adam’s dancing during the Bowie Medley at this concert. Seems like he is perfecting this as he goes. (And I was put-off by his dance moves in the earlier videos).

Me too! The moves are definitely feeling more organic in the latest shows

Where are the other Danny videos? I wanna see where he copies Adam.

He is not copying Adam with the mic stand. Danny does a little salsa dance routine where the mic stand is analogous to a dance partner, and he steps and swings around it. Adam is doing the mic stand as a phallic symbol.

edit: dial back the defensiveness

About Adam’s moves, I think he is a phenomenal singer and very beautiful to look at, but I’m not really that interested in all the “bells and whistles”. But I do prefer the more subtle sensuality of his “Ring of Fire” performance to the overt sexiness of WLL. It’s just personal taste, and of course he should do what feels right to him.

Remidner:

Add fanwaring to the list of things that ARE NOT ON TOPIC TO THIS THREAD.

PLEASE KEEP YOUR REMARKS FOCUSED ON THE TOUR AND THE CONCERT PERFORMANCES.

I’m deleting everything else.

I have been lurking for a very long time and just signed up so I could jump in on this conversation and very promptly got my first message deleted. Point taken, MJ. LOL

My second message (not related to Adam or his WLL peformance at all)

I was at the show last night and around 6pm right before the show while standing in line I was surprised to look up and see Danny Gokey 3 feet away from me talking to fans waiting in line. He was very nice and interactive and gave me a hug (and came back and gave me a second hug after I remembered I forgot to take a picture the first time.) He also spent a lot of time on the fan line after the show and took many pics (some of the Idols were not taking pics with fans at all.)

I am a Kradison fan but I was most impressed with Danny’s fan interaction last night. Adam only worked half of the line and his was the only autograph I didn’t get (but I am still a major fantard.) Danny gets a bum wrap and so I just wanted to throw it out there what a sweetheart he was last night.

BTW, he is also way cuter in person than I ever thought he was on the show. And his talking was not preachy, it was more paying homage to his love for his wife and encouragement to people to not let hard times hold you back. I found it touching and appropriate. Now I am a DaKradison fan.

What do you think he is doing with the mic stand? It’s sexual. It’s between his legs and he’s stroking it lovingly – if that’s not beating off what is it? At an AI concert.

You see to me that’s a silly argument – An AI concert. Is it meant to be a real rock/pop concert or not?

On the one hand AI fans want the music critics to take the idols seriously, and to not condescend to the AI loving legions in their reviews; AI fans get upset when their Idols are called glorified karaoke singers. But on the other hand, they want the concert to be this scripted, clean, regimented, Disney friendly Karaoke pageant, without any character, artistry or, oh my, sexual connotations.

God forbid, any of the singers did what is considered quite common in rock concerts all over the world for the past 30 years, that would tarnish the AI experience.

You can’t have it both ways. It’s either a real concert worth the 60-75 dollars that I would pay to see Coldplay, Oasis, Madonna, GreenDay, MJ, or any of the rest. Or it’s just some cream cheese exhibition of mediocrity designed for the Television, rather than the music, fan.

Rock and Roll is not safe, it’s not clean and it certainly isn’t family orientated. That’s Julie Andrews.

Before this season I was never an AI watcher, the reason for that is very simple, I detest homogenized, unoriginal and utterly safe, to the point of suffocation, family viewing. Thank god for a little mic stroking.

Danny gets a bum wrap and so I just wanted to throw it out there what a sweetheart he was last night.

My friend was there last night too and is total agreement with you. Our circle of Adam fangirls is no longer gonna dis Danny cuz she thought he was awesome and very accommodating in the autograph line after the concert. She thought all of the Idols were great and sounded really fantastic live and has declared herself in love with them all now. She even said that Scott’s performance gave her chills, she was so impressed with him.

Great review for Adam and Matt from the Oakland show not so much for the others though.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/07/12/DD7118N95Q.DTL

You can’t have it both ways. It’s either a real concert worth the 60-75 dollars that I would pay to see Coldplay, Oasis, Madonna, GreenDay, MJ, or any of the rest. Or it’s just some cream cheese exhibition of mediocrity designed for the Television, rather than the music, fan.

I’m not reading where that particular poster was trying to have it both ways, I’d be very careful not to put words in her mouth.

There are those fans out there who WANT their Idol concert as family friendly and PG rated as the show they watched on their televisions.

There is an argument to be made that the concert exists as an extension of the show. It’s a logical conclusion, imo.

Rock and Roll is not safe, it’s not clean and it certainly isn’t family orientated.

American Idol is not rock and roll. It’s a family oriented karaoke fest. For instance, you aren’t going to hear contestants using 4 letter words from the stage. If they smoke, they’ll do it in the shadows, making sure they aren’t photographed.

The kids will have to wait until august to let it all hang out.

mj
Jul 12th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
You can’t have it both ways. It’s either a real concert worth the 60-75 dollars that I would pay to see Coldplay, Oasis, Madonna, GreenDay, MJ, or any of the rest. Or it’s just some cream cheese exhibition of mediocrity designed for the Television, rather than the music, fan.

I’m not reading where that particular poster was trying to have it both ways, I’d be very careful not to put words in her mouth.

There are those fans out there who WANT their Idol concert as family friendly and PG rated as the show they watched on their televisions.

There is an argument to be made that the concert exists as an extension of the show.

It’s not a silly, imo.

I wasn’t addressing that particular poster mj. I was speaking of AI fans in general. In my post, that is who I mention repeatedly, and to whom the “you” refers. I was discussing the canon of the AI concert, mentioned by several posters in this thread. I quoted simply to focus on the phrase that’s all.

My fault most likely, for not being clear enough in my post. In future I shall try to be more precise with my writing.

American Idol is NOT rock and roll. It’s a family oriented karaoke fest. For instance, you aren’t going to hear contestants using 4 letter words from the stage. If they smoke, they’ll do it in the shadows, making sure they aren’t photographed.

Fine, if that’s the case, if that’s all the AI concerts are, then Adam is wrong to fiddle with the mic, and the SFgate reviewer is not to be blamed for his condescension. That’s all I was trying to say.

You see to me that’s a silly argument – An AI concert. Is it meant to be a real rock/pop concert or not?

Not. It’s a melange of styles marketted towards families including young children. I don’t think many hardcore rock fans would ever even consider attending and I would be shocked to hear that the AI concert wastes any money advertising on any radio rock format for the AI tour. SHOCKED. Meanwhile, on HAC and AC, they advertise away. Tells me what kind of audience they are expecting.

On the one hand AI fans want the music critics to take the idols seriously, and to not condescend to the AI loving legions in their reviews; AI fans get upset when their Idols are called glorified karaoke singers. But on the other hand, they want the concert to be this scripted, clean, regimented, Disney friendly Karaoke pageant, without any character, artistry or, oh my, sexual connotations.

Is there no middle ground? Is everything either Disney karaoke or overtly sexual? Can we not just have good singing? Last time I went to the symphony, I didn’t see the flautists hump their flutes, but I would take serious exception with any music critic who used that as evidence that the symphony wasn’t producing real music. Yes, that’s a ridiculous example, but I don’t see it as any more ridiculous than it would be to argue that an AI concert cannot be taken seriously unless it does feature such things. Plus, I think that humping a mic stand is not the litmus test for a glorified karaoke singer. I’ve seen enough karaoke to know that you can be a 100% karaoke singer while humping the stuffing out of a mic stand.

You can’t have it both ways. It’s either a real concert worth the 60-75 dollars that I would pay to see Coldplay, Oasis, Madonna, GreenDay, MJ, or any of the rest. Or it’s just some cream cheese exhibition of mediocrity designed for the Television, rather than the music, fan.

It’s worth $60-75 because that is what people are willing to pay. People paid a small fortune to attend AI concerts back when they didn’t even have a band, for goodness sake. If there is one thing 19E knows how to do, it is to make money. They know how to price their tickets. People pay $60 to see the Wiggles and I’m pretty sure none of the Wiggles are humping their props on stage.

Rock and Roll is not safe, it’s not clean and it certainly isn’t family orientated. That’s Julie Andrews.

Rock and Roll may not be safe and it may not be clean and it may not be family orientated, but this is an American Idol concert, not a rock concert. There are lots of different types of concerts that make lots of money. They are not all rock concerts.

Look, as I said in my review, I think Adam’s mic stroking is so funny I almost burst out in laughter. IMO, It’s over-rehearsed, it’s ridiculous within the format and it’s trite. So, I wasn’t offended, but I can kind of appreciate where some parents might be. If they brought their kids to a Rolling Stone concert, I’d call them idiots for being offended, but they are at an AI concert so I kind of see where they are coming from.

I don’t think many hardcore rock fans would ever even consider attending

I never mentioned hardcore rock anything, I said rock/pop. And if you, like me, follow popular music, you’ll see that it’s not exactly clean, especially not visually.

Can we not just have good singing?

Sure, it just depends on what you mean by good singing. Opera is good clean fun, I doubt it’s the typical AI fan’s cup of tea.
These kids are supposed to go out into the dirty, cringy world of popular music in two months. Is it too much to ask to let them dip their feet in during the tour? Define themselves a little?

I think that humping a mic stand is not the litmus test for a glorified karaoke singer.

No. but it is Adam’s physical interpretation of the song. Like it or hate it, it is how he chooses to visualize that song.

People pay $60 to see the Wiggles and I’m pretty sure none of the Wiggles are humping their props on stage.

Again, the Wiggles don’t claim to be rock/pop stars, these kids do, and so does 19. And speaking personally, I wouldn’t give up a used tissue to see the Wiggles.

American Idol concert, not a rock concert.

I addressed this point in my post above.

So, I wasn’t offended

Great.

but I can kind of appreciate where some parents might be

I’d assume these parent watched the show, and had some inkling as to what to expect from him. If they didn’t, then hey, live and learn.
Plus, really, any parent who has a child old enough to buy music, and watch music videos is fully aware of how tame those gestures are in comparison to what pop music videos offer their kids.

So when we’re done analysing it to death, hopefully he screws the stand again tonight, and there’ll be videos covering it, yes??! :thumbup_tb:

When it gets over the top, the producers will get him to tone it down..till then..stroke away dude

ROFLMAO! I’m done Chipmunk.

Hump it grind it stroke it I say. Yay for Adam bringing a bit of sex back. Never killed anyone (unlike much of what else passes for entertainment)! Will still be tame in comparison to much of what goes on in videos – why is it when a guy does a bit of bump and grind it is salacious and sensational, where as when women do it – Beyonce, Brittany, et al, it is all good fun?

Just wondering. I for one am loving Adam’s miming ability – really makes the lyrics come to life

I’d assume these parent watched the show, and had some inkling as to what to expect from him. If they didn’t, then hey, live and learn.
Plus, really, any parent who has a child old enough to buy music, and watch music videos is fully aware of how tame those gestures are in comparison to what pop music videos offer their kids.

I like Adam, am far from a prude, and have seen way racier stuff at concerts in my lifetime. Still, I would ever expect anything even vaguely sexual to happen on stage at an American Idol concert. This is not a pop concert. They are not pop stars yet, they don’t even have their own songs to sing. This is a concert for fans of the show. There will be no new fans to win over, no typical pop crowd to woo. I don’t get that line of thinking personally. They didn’t show him doing anything crazy on TV. LOL. If I had brought my young kid I might have been a tad unamused. YMMV of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4VLqrcdmZ0#

OoooooMmmmyyyGGG!!! WooHoo!!! Anoop is the sexiest man alive!
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Again, the Wiggles don’t claim to be rock/pop stars, these kids do, and so does 19. And speaking personally, I wouldn’t give up a used tissue to see the Wiggles.

The reason I brought up the Wiggles is because of the statement that AI has to permit overt signs of sexuality in order to justify the cost of $60 tickets. There are lots of sold out, successful concerts with no mic humping. Any given person might choose not to attend those non-humping concerts, but there might be a big enough audience that it doesn’t matter if that one person stays home. And trust me, there are lots of very grateful parents who are happy you don’t want those Wiggle tickets because they are nearly impossible to get as it is.

Further, I’m not certain that 19 treats these kids as pop/rock stars. I think it treats them like reality TV stars.

Plus, really, any parent who has a child old enough to buy music, and watch music videos is fully aware of how tame those gestures are in comparison to what pop music videos offer their kids.

Very true, but some of the kids at the concert will be younger than 10.

Believe me, I totally can get behind the argument that Adam is blazing no new trails with his schtick, but I can also see that some of the audience may think that he may be going a tad too far for some in the audience.

I addressed this point in my post above.

We cross-posted.

I’ve seen enough karaoke to know that you can be a 100% karaoke singer while humping the stuffing out of a mic stand.

What imagery. And you brought up the Wiggles. Don’t forget the Doodlebops.

Yes indeed a concert is worth what people are willing to pay for it. Imagine the peeps who paid $25,000 for a pair of MJ tickets from a “ticket broker”.

I don’t know how anyone can argue that AI is NOT clearly marketed to be a family show ergo one would not expect any different from the concert. The common complaint every season is about the tweens powervoting. No Boundaries does not apply to a 19 Entertainment production at this point.

I didn’t see no mic stand humping on AI the show. I personally would not mind it but I have no moral compass.

In my view, if kids are too young to know about sex, any crotch grabs or microphone humps will fly past them without them noticing. If they know and understand what they are seeing it’s already too late to try to “protect” them. They’ll have seen much more on TV and in Internet, not to mention heard in the lyrics of current hit songs.

I’m (barely) older than Adam but I can still remember the time my parents tried to protect me by fast-forwarding the sex scenes in Basic Instinct. The end result? We missed some crucial conversations that happened during those scenes but I had seen much more raunchy sex scenes before. We’d all have benefited by watching all of it, it wouldn’t have affected me any.

Haha JACKPOT!! At the LA concert i got tickets to Floor3 row 1!! hahaha yes!! =D

In my view, if kids are too young to know about sex, any crotch grabs or microphone humps will fly past them without them noticing. If they know and understand what they are seeing it’s already too late to ‘protect’  them. They’ll have seen much more on TV and in Internet, not to mention heard in the lyrics of current hits.

Perhaps, but that’s kinda beside the point. The whole issue is: what is or is not reasonable to expect at an Idol concert? I think its reasonable to expect roughly what you got on TV.

Parents have to make decisions on what they consider appropriate for their children, and some parents consider that kind of thing inappropriate. That’s their decision to make. When people decide where to take their kids, they need to have an idea of what their kids will be exposed to.

I’m (barely) older than Adam but I can still remember the time my parents tried to protect me by fast-forwarding the sex scenes in Basic Instinct. The end result? We missed some crucial conversations that happened during those scenes but I had seen much more raunchy sex scenes before. We’d all have benefited by watching all of it, it wouldn’t have affected me any.

That would have made you at least 10 (Adam born in 1982, movie released to movie theatres in 1992). There are kids younger than 10 in the AI audience. Your parents protecting you at that age is a sign that many parents do wish to shelter their kids a bit.

Heh. “Basic Instinct” is all about sex. I can’t imagine how much you missed. An AI concert is worlds away from “Basic Instinct”, though, so I don’t think the “sexuality” is necessary. Desired by some, yes, but hardly necessary.

Haha JACKPOT!! At the LA concert i got tickets to Floor3 row 1!! hahaha yes!! =D

Wow, how did you do that so soon before the concert?

The whole issue is: what is or is not reasonable to expect at an Idol concert?

My money’s worth.

My money’s worth.

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You know what I mean. LOL.

The whole issue is: what is or is not reasonable to expect at an Idol concert? I think its reasonable to expect roughly what you got on TV.

And that’s what you’re getting. …with a few extras…..which isnt unreasonable,IMO.

I don’t find Adam’s gestures particularly offensive. Like many have posted before, I’ve seen a lot worse and he isn’t exactly forging any new territory, just some bump and grind. IDK. Is it right for the Idol tour? Well, I haven’t seen any reviews (I could have missed some) that mention his act being inappropriate. If it really came across very lewd, I think someone would have called him out on it by now. Also, at a live concert there is so much to take in that a lot of it goes by really quickly. I could be wrong but I think most of the complaints are coming from those who have watched the videos and not seen the tour. It doesn’t help that a lot of the videos are close up shots of Adam’s crotch! I’m a diehard glambert but that is even too much for me! Anyway, I will be going in a few weeks with my sister and then a week later with my husband and 11 year old daughter. We are looking forward to seeing everyone (really!) but especially Adam, Kris and Allison.

lavender1960
Jul 12th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

I didn’t see no mic stand humping on AI the show. I personally would not mind it but I have no moral compass.

ROFLMAO!!!!!

Hey FifthHouse! Long time, no hear. You’re right; the Idol tour is an entertainment experience and no one ever said they were sanctioned by Disney or Nickelodeon.

Exactly.

edit: keep your remarks focused on the subject, not on criticizing or questioning the motives of posters opinions

It doesn’t help that a lot of the videos are close up shots of Adam’s crotch!

People doing that really need to get lives.

Is it right for the Idol tour? Well, I haven’t seen any reviews (I could have missed some) that mention his act being inappropriate.

Me neither. In addition, none of the twitters I’ve followed have said Adam has been too lewd either. In fact, even those who didn’t prefer him on the AI show say he gives a great performance at the concert. Adam has been getting a lot more followers on twitter too since the concert, he’s almost at 100,000 already.

If it really came across very lewd, I think someone would have called him out on it by now.

Yes. They sure would have. They have nothing to gain by not calling him out on it. What do they care? Richard Rushfield, the guy from Seattle times, and Brian Mansfield definitely would have said something if Adam was too sexual. Again, they gain nothing by not being as objective as possible.

I find the who “too sexy” discussion just really weird, don’t get it at all. But then I live in Australia where you can swear on tv, a couple of naked boobs is no big deal and we have much more European attitudes to sex. If I was a parent I’d be much more worried if Adam was miming shooting people than a few hip thrusts. Have things really gotten so puritanical…

“If I was a parent I’d be much more worried if Adam was miming shooting people than a few hip thrusts.”

So true!

From the various reviews, it seems like there’s a lot more booty-shaking on the tour than on the show, along with additional mic play by someone other than Adam. I just hope fans of all the idols have a great time at the concert and keep the positive comments coming.

ETA: Forgot about the musical guests!

They have nothing to gain by not calling him out on it. What do they care? Richard Rushfield, the guy from Seattle times, and Brian Mansfield definitely would have said something if Adam was too sexual. Again, they gain nothing by not being as objective as possible.

Now you’ve done it, critics are now going to be spammed by email telling them to take note of all positions regarding Adam’s crotch, hands, hips, tongue and well…even his neck is kinda sexy so that too. In addition, please note all positions of any prop he may use during the show. Lastly, please analyze how all of those positions may affect the youth of our country.

Or…they could just watch reruns of Idol this year to see guest performers like Flo-Rida who sang a song about oral sex, Jamie Foxx who sang a song about sex due to alcohol, KC of Sunshine Band fame who sang about “getting down” and who had a dancer that was close to stripping if ever I’ve seen one to get the idea that AI isn’t the same show if was when it first came on. I mean, bikini girl on the finale and Ryan’s reaction to her “enhancements” had to be a clue.

The advertisement I saw for the tour was as follows:

“Simon Fuller, creator and executive producer of AMERICAN IDOL stated, ‘American Idol gives undiscovered talent the once in a lifetime opportunity to perform live every week on the show and now the tour will give America the unique chance to see these newly discovered stars performing in their own home town.’ 

I didn’t see it advertised as g-rated. I understand the concern, I really do. I think it all gets blown out of proportion because for most of us, we’re seeing the youtube clips of the concert from people in the front row. We are able to watch the clips multiple times, pausing and rewinding and lingering and lingering and lingering on parts we like….sorry, lost myself for a moment… but when you are seeing it live, these moments are over in a flash and most kids probably won’t even notice it. Now, if kids are looking at the youtube videos over and over, yeah you’ll notice it and may have a problem. To me it’s like some of the kids cartoons that are out there right now, especially Pixar products. There is sexual innuendo in most of those movies and it flies over the heads of the kids, but gives the adults a little chuckle.

Just a fun observation: ONTD_AI is under some kind of attack at the moment. Mods over there will hopefully have it under control soon.

ETA: It seems to be over for now. There were some spam posters overwhelming the community with repeated pictures etc.

Reminder:

I’m not running a fan forum here. Please respect those who have critical opinions of your favorites.

You should know my guidelines by now. I’m not going to tolerate piling on, shouting down, criticizing or ridiculing others opinions. I’ll be editing appropriately.

From my understanding, Anoop does some sexy moves and Danny is now straddling the mic. I haven’t seen the show so I don’t know for sure but that is what I read. The only difference is fans aren’t going on about Danny and Anoop’s moves. Also, with those thigh high boots, Megan is looking like a wee bit of a street walker. And isn’t Allison wearing a corset with garter belts for Slow Ride?

Actually Danny has been doing that since the first night in the Maria Maria song.

But yeah, I do think that Adam is much more overtly doing sexual things than Danny or the others, but it fits his songs better, too. I haven’t been offended by anything I’ve seen, but I have found it amusing. I tend to think it’s funny when guys “try” to be sexy, and they all do try, don’t they?

I really haven’t given that much thought to the kid thing. My daughter is only two. I think the mic straddling would go over the heads of most younger kids (up to 9 or so, at least), though.

Or’ ¦they could just watch reruns of Idol this year to see guest performers like Flo-Rida who sang a song about oral sex. . .

Hahaha!! EXCELLENT POINT!!! :clap_tb:

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Maybe American Idol is just doing their part to help parents begin those awkward discussions about the B&B’s with their kids. :ponder_tb:

I was at the show last night and around 6pm right before the show while standing in line I was surprised to look up and see Danny Gokey 3 feet away from me talking to fans waiting in line. He was very nice and interactive and gave me a hug (and came back and gave me a second hug after I remembered I forgot to take a picture the first time.) He also spent a lot of time on the fan line after the show and took many pics (some of the Idols were not taking pics with fans at all.)

I am a Kradison fan but I was most impressed with Danny’s fan interaction last night. Adam only worked half of the line and his was the only autograph I didn’t get (but I am still a major fantard.) Danny gets a bum wrap and so I just wanted to throw it out there what a sweetheart he was last night.

BTW, he is also way cuter in person than I ever thought he was on the show. And his talking was not preachy, it was more paying homage to his love for his wife and encouragement to people to not let hard times hold you back. I found it touching and appropriate. Now I am a DaKradison fan.

Thanks so much madnessinmotion for posting the kind words about Danny. It’s been tough in Internet land for Danny and Danny fans for sure….appreciate you taking the time to post.

He is not copying Adam with the mic stand. Danny does a little salsa dance routine where the mic stand is analogous to a dance partner, and he steps and swings around it. Adam is doing the mic stand as a phallic symbol.

Josie, yeah, I’ve noticed some trying to say that in the last day or so, as if Danny all of a sudden started doing this. But as I said, Danny has been doing that since the first show….during the salsa dancing part. And it’s not really overtly sexual, unless someone wants it to be. It’s really what your mind makes of it.

Adam’s is more overtly sexual, but so are some of his songs. It works with his set. Again, I’m not offended.

I wonder if the choreographer that they worked with helped to instruct them with their moves here. I know Danny already knew how to salsa dance, but how to make that come off right without a human partner, probably not so much. I would assume that the choreograper helped him with this.

Interesting discussion! Just my two cents — nothing could be more gross than what Constantine Maroulis did on the Season 4 tour: leaned down from the stage so the women could touch his sweaty chest (with shirt unbuttoned). Was glad I was in the nosebleeds at that moment.
Another two cents — children may have no idea about the meaning of certain gestures on stage or scenes in movies, but nothing wrong with parents having standards about what they want their children exposed to. Let them be little, I think the country song says. I agree that AI, for a “family show”, had a bizarre slate of guest performers this season.

Or’ ¦they could just watch reruns of Idol this year to see guest performers like Flo-Rida who sang a song about oral sex. . .

I have to admit, I raised my eyebrow at that.

At any rate, you’d never find any of the kids singing songs like that. When the kids performed Pink’s “So What”as a group song, it had all the references to alcohol edited out of it, for instance.

Personally, I don’t really care. But I’m just making the point that the tour is an extension of the show, therefore it’s perfectly reasonable for folks bringing their young kids to the concert to expect a family-friendly experience.

ETA:

Interesting discussion! Just my two cents — nothing could be more gross than what Constantine Maroulis did on the Season 4 tour: leaned down from the stage so the women could touch his sweaty chest (with shirt unbuttoned).

I forgot about that. Yes, Constantine’s performance was kinda sexualized, and became moreso as the tour wore on.

At certain concert spots, he had a pair of female groupies in the front row, indulging in a little “girl on girl” action, just for him. Family friendly indeed. LOL.

I’m one of those, as I have said before, that really giggle about American Idol being a family rated and family friendly show. Especially during the audition episodes when we see all kinds of overtly revealing attire and pretty sexually explicit behavior, and the use of the bleeps and the AI logo to cover up words or gestures that are obviously highly inflammatory. This year we got to see a woman throw herself at the judges table, begging and we got to see another contestant use her body as her path to 15 minutes of fame.

We hear back stories that are often pretty graphic and tumultuous and probably not proper listening for the under teen set. And the inuendos and sexually explicit jokes that are bantered about between Simon and Ryan and Simon and Paula are pretty adult….and no one can tell me that Paula dresses with a 12 year old highly impressionable girl in mind….no its all about appealling to the young bucks that she finds attractive.

The discussion has already been carried on about the choice of “guest” singers and their song choices. And the commercials run during the program are not always geared to the “G” rated families out in tv land.

As for the tour….we can’t even mention some of the clothes worn by the Idol girls and the shirts unbottoned to here that some of the guys have worn. And contestants like Constantine made come hither eye movements at the camera and the audience that were easily taken out of chapter 6 of the paperback “how to have sex with your eyes alone”. And some of the Mavis routines last year weren’t always family friendly.

Taking a tween or younger to a concert is up to the discretion of an adult. And if said adult thinks an idol’s song styling or look is too suggestive for the juvenile it is their responsibility to make choices about what the child is exposed to. AI is not a disney show, it is shown at the same time as many FOX programs which are pretty violent and suggestive, and it is not advertised as being “family” friendly. If people think it is or should be that is their take on the show…not the networks or the producers. Same for the Idol tour.

MJ, are you going to put up a post about tonite’s show in San Jose; twitteres, etc.?

Adam could be censored and told, as Elvis was, that he had to stand perfectly still, and he’d still cause huge screams just be moving his pinky – a.k.a. Elvis.

Doesn’t matter what the man does. He exudes sexuality.

The kids will have to wait until august to let it all hang out.

Even in my limited experience and understanding, I would agree with this… but for the Rollingstone cover story. I think this year, somebody decided that it might be better to let the artists be more themselves prior to their debut albums.

Maybe not, but maybe.

Certainly, for any number of reasons, a distinction can be made about a magazine and a concert. But still, when it hit the shelves,I read that article as a departure from the AI of past. And now, watching the concert unfold, I see something similar.

Maybe a change was inevitable given the media hype and all. And maybe someone realized it’s better for a future recording artist to be authentically packaged and branded from the get-go. Maybe Adam is not completely containable. Who knows. To me, though, it seems a legitimate decision made by a higher power, that’s all.

Very varied and quite significant points of views being presented here.

I asked earlier in a post about Utah’s possible reception of Adam. I have not been there, though I have several Mormon friends from Utah. They are more conservative than the Roman Catholics I know. But they are also among the kindest I have met and when confronted with new sets of experience are more amiable in their reaction. This probably is not a generalization but this is our personal experience.

As I think more on this topic, The American Idol TV show is foremost a business and fueled by profits. The TV show’s primary earnings are from advertisements and other related business franchises like Disney. I would tend to think that the show’s restrictions would be based on the advertisers and franchise guidelines.

When I first saw Adam perform I kept wondering how AI would fit him in Disney if he wins. Can you imagine Adam in full Glam glory parading down Disney’s main street to the tune it’s a Small world after all?

But the concerts would be another matter. The revenues are from ticket sales mostly. Adam and his controversial presence in AI would draw both fans and the curious and provide reason for young male teens to hang around the mom’s and sisters for these concerts.

True there are sponsors but the concerts would be the precursor to these aspirants’ recording careers. I think more risks would be taken here. From a market test point of view, I tend to think the producers will not leash Adam.

They are ending the tour in the East Coast, and as I understand that is where another solid block of Adam’s rabid fan base is. I envy those people. Adam will probably hurl them to to the outer space of human sensuality with no ride back.

People evolve. Their tastes in music evolve. So will American Idol evolve? If it cannot evolve with the people’s changing tastes and perceptions, its revenues will erode, it will then be time to put it to rest.

They are ending the tour in the East Coast, and as I understand that is where another solid block of Adam’s rabid fan base is. I envy those people. Adam will probably hurl them to to the outer space of human sensuality with no ride back.

I sure hope so! LOL :biggrin_wp:

Even in my limited experience and understanding, I would agree with this’ ¦ but for the Rollingstone cover story. I think this year, somebody decided that it might be better to let the artists be more themselves prior to their debut albums.

The cover was a bit suggestive, but I didn’t see anything racy or crazy or different than what we’ve seen before in that Rolling Stone cover story.

The most surprising aspect of that article was that he was able to talk about his sexual preference. And all things considered (Ellen, Elton et al) not really all that surprising.

But again, my original point is that the expectation by some families of a family-friendly environment on the tour isn’t silly.

:surprise_ee: I now have a mental picture of Adam parading down Main St at WDW!!

But again, my original point is that the expectation by some families of a family-friendly environment on the tour isn’t silly.

I agree with that.

I don’t agree, however, with the posts above by others suggesting that the show did not “warn” of what might be possible on tour. Adam did Ring of Fire, after all. Love it or hate it, that performance was undeniably suggestive and sensual — even w/o the neck raring back, lip-licking, and “accidental” flipping of the shirt while feeling his way, so to speak. LOL And he did WLL on the show, too — with the acapella “Woman….” and all that goes with that, except now he’s adding a mic stand, that literally adds very little, imo. He did quite a mighty hip thrust in PTFM, as I recall, and he came dangerously close to a crotch grab on Satisfaction too. So…

In my view, no one’s coming in ignorant to the possibilities unless they did not watch the show. And if that’s the case, the problem is not about Idol providing mixed messages about what to expect this year, from this group.

Ultimately, I think it’s a tempest in a teapot. Because young kids are not going to get it, and if they do, “protecting” them ended long before Adam hit the stage.

So I’m not talking about Adam here, talking about Matt freaking Giraud. Holy cow, did anyone else besides me check out the Hard to Handle VIDEO in Oakland, possibly the best one YET, imo. I mean seriously, that piano solo is amazing, holy shit. The performance is just amazing,and better everytime as well. I cant get enough of it.

I’m not sure if this has been posted already, but here’s another newspaper review of Oakland show. The reporter says he did interviews with 5 of the Idols with lots of pictures which will follow in subsequent blog entries.

http://idol.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/10159/idol-tour-storms-through-oakland/