Danny Gokey’s first Top 12 video package will more than likely include video from his Milwaukee church, Faith Builders International.   From the FBIM blog:

Last night, American Idol came to film our church and as a   very special à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“treatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , Danny Gokey showed up to lead praise and worship for over an hour! Godà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s presence was so strong as Danny sang and our praise and worship team was over the top! We literally had 24 hrs. to pull a Friday night service together, and even with limited time, the place was jammed packedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦standing room only! Man, it was absolutely electric! And in vintage style Danny à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“preachedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on letting go of unforgiveness and the the pastà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦while embracing our future with hope. It was outstanding! So many people were blown away with our ministry including those from American Idol. By the way i have to say, the A.I. crew and producer were some of the nicest and most sincere people ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve ever met. They had great hearts and a real blessing to work with and get to know! Soà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦just when we thought it couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get any better at Faith Builders it just did last night! God is so good and His favor is on this ministry. We produce the best :)  Ãƒâ€š  Ãƒâ€š   I love you all! Go Danny!!!!!!!

Looks Danny will still be on a mission to inspire and uplift us! OMG ! once the Top 12 starts.   Seriously. Danny?   Just sing?   Please?

See the Rolex-wearing, Escalade-driving pastor of the prosperity-driven mega-church Danny belongs to in action HERE and HERE.   Danny’s in a commercial for the church HERE.   More videos HERE.

Pastor Pruitt is hitting the big-time and he couldn’t be more pleased. Ahem.

ETA: Tinawina in comments mentioned this is probably a tip off of what the Top 12 packages will be like–the Top 12 at work? (actually, the Top 12 at home. Hopefully TPTB leave Danny preaching on the cutting room floor to focus on other aspects of his life.)

Thanks TopIdol for the tip.

 
  • primeminister

    I guess the rule of not performing outside of the show once you make the Top 36 only applies when you are NOT the chosen one.

    To TPTB: Don’t give me the “we just wanted to film clips of him at work” crap because piano-dueling is just as much of a job, and Matt G. was given orders to stop playing.

    “We literally had 24 hrs. to pull a Friday night service together, and even with limited time, the place was jammed packedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦standing room only!

    Nice to know that the FBIM services are just shows that can be pulled together at the last minute. As a Christian, I’m a little disturbed to hear that the focus of the service was on “Savior, Redeemer” Danny Gokey and not on God.

  • Kirsten

    I’m thinking this isn’t going to end well for Danny.

    By the way i have to say, the A.I. crew and producer were some of the nicest and most sincere people ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve ever met.

    Dude, you are the worst judge of character. EVER. LOL. I’m sure that most of the crew is lovely, but I wouldn’t turn my back on AI producer if they tossed a $20 bill behind me.

  • judy

    Wow. I’m speechless.

  • ilovetohateai

    who knows, he might not be the chosen one. AI is using him to get people talking?

  • jersey

    AI needs to back off. I want to be entertained – not saved.

  • sonyab

    MJ is the only reason you put Danny stuff on here is for you and other people to bash him? I’m just asking. Cus if it is I won’t be reading Danny stuff on here anymore. It’s to much.

  • tinawina

    They do those “idol at work” clips every season. This is probably a tip-off of what the Top 12 contestant video packages are going to be about. I don’t think it is a big deal, unless they find a way to weave the topic of his sermon and/or his wife into it.

  • Niall

    Now I really wouldn’t be surprised if they filmed a segment with Danny at Sophia’s grave. I love how the Friday church service was a “made for tv” service that allowed Danny to hit all his bullet points of hope, inspiration, and whatever.

    From what I remember, Simon Lythgoe (Nigel’s son) is now a born again Christian. Perhaps he’s behind all this religion stuff that has taken place on AI over the past couple years. I remember being really puzzled by S7 doing “Shout to the Lord” but it made sense after hearing about the conversion of one of the producers. And, no I don’t have a problem with religion when it is at the appropriate time and place and in the right amounts. This has just gone completely overboard.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    MJ is the only reason you put Danny stuff on here is for you and other people to bash him? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just asking. Cus if it is I wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be reading Danny stuff on here anymore. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s to much.

    If you feel that way, it’s probably better that you don’t read it. In fact, I say as much in my guidelines:

    http://mjsbigblog.com/?page_id=1172

  • Kirsten

    I guess the rule of not performing outside of the show once you make the Top 36 (as in the case of Matt G.) only applies when you are NOT the chosen one.

    You aren’t allowed to perform, but this is all about getting film for the AI cameras. That has always been allowed. If Matt gets through next week, they’ll probably drag him off to his home town to do whatever it is he does when he performs (I don’t know his backstory).

    AI is really digging into the backstories this year, though. I really don’t recall them doing this in S1-S3. Anybody remember if they followed successful semi-final contestants around for a mini-home visit? Maybe they are doing it because a home visit is the only thing that ever won them an Emmy*. The final 6 chosen are really screwed because there will be almost no time for all these festivities to get planned. Maybe the AI crew will just follow them around the mall near the studio and see if anybody notices.

    *BTW After comparing AI’s cheesy production values so far to the cheese moving season opener for TAR, I think AI has it’s work cut out for it if it wants to win the Reality TV Emmy this year.

  • Kirsten

    From what I remember, Simon Lythgoe (Nigelà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s son) is now a born again Christian. Perhaps heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s behind all this religion stuff that has taken place on

    Very doubtful since Nigel got fired from the show last year.

  • http://stores.ebay.com/BookWomanBlues-Book-Nook Bobbi

    This is SUCH a bad idea!

  • sonyab

    If you feel that way, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s probably better that you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t read it. In fact, I say as much in my guidelines:

    http://mjsbigblog.com/?page_id=1172
    ====================================
    Well I don’t feel like you guys are attacking me. :) But the negativity is really getting to me. So it’s best that I don’t read anymore comments about him. I will still be on here. :)

  • terps

    I’m so over Danny. RIP to his wife but I’m really getting tired of them milkin it.

  • Niall

    Very doubtful since Nigel got fired from the show last year.

    But his son didn’t. He’s still in the credits.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    AI is really digging into the backstories this year, though. I really donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t recall them doing this in S1-S3. Anybody remember if they followed successful semi-final contestants around for a mini-home visit?

    They did in Season 3, yes. The Top 11 and 12 both had packages where they followed the Idols around. Week 12 was a home visit, and week 11 was a work visit (or the other way around, maybe)

    They cut way back on that Season 4 and I remember missing it…

    ETA:

    Very doubtful since Nigel got fired from the show last year.

    Heh. We really don’t know that for sure

  • saramcvt

    Ok, next the heavens are going to part and the angels will place wings on him. This is just too much…

  • Kirsten

    But his son didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s still in the credits.

    Well, serves me right for trusting the IMDB (which only credits him with AI producing from 2002-2005). I’m too busy watching the contestants to ever bother reading the credtis for that show, but if he’s on there, he must be producing.

    I’m thinking that Cowell is not a Born Again Christian and Fuller/Warwick don’t really give off that vibe either. I’m not sure those three powerful producers would let Simon Lythgoe determine the direction of the show, but never say never, I guess.

    I think that Cowell/Fuller/Warwick just whore themselves out to any populous demographic they can. Did I just write “whore” in a comments section about a church revival? Oh well.

  • weareallinnocent

    I don’t think MJ bashed him at all. She asked him to sing, which by the way is what he’s supposed to be doing on AI, right? And if the pastor wears and rides as stated, what’s the problem?

    The pastor’s high end purchase proclivities and some of the linked material could be stand alone bashing, but that depends on your point of view. Anywho…

    Here’s a phrase someone needed to explain to me: “I know if I keep going in the vain I’m supposed to go, I’ll know that it’s God offering me a shortcut into my destiny.” That’s the oddest soundbite I think I’ve ever seen/heard.

    I didn’t like the videos of Danny’s AI performances so far, and this backstory stuff won’t change that for me. For others, it very well could. I would really dislike it if folks voted for a guy’s religion over his abilities, but it happens. (Sarah Palin comes to mind for some reason. lol)

    ETA: I totally agree: “I love how the Friday church service was a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“made for tvà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  service…” Staged. Strikes me as somehow unclean.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I think that Cowell/Fuller/Warwick just whore themselves out to any populous demographic they can.

    Yeah, they’ve done their homework on who watches the show, I’m sure.

  • KrazeeK120

    *BTW After comparing AIà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s cheesy production values so far to the cheese moving season opener for TAR, I think AI has ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s work cut out for it if it wants to win the Reality TV Emmy this year.

    I’d have to agree with you there, Kirsten. The production of TAR is so many leaps and bounds ahead of Idol, it’s not even funny. And those producers have to fly all over the world and capture a damn RACE on film to show to the American public. At AI, they have to run a couple of videos and film a contestant standing on stage. And can they do that right? No…we get a frozen clip of Stevie instead of what’s-his-face’s video package. The production value of AI has been steadily declining, IMO. Let’s hope they only give Pauler one critique to read at a time this year….

    Anyway back on topic now…. can someone please give me a spoon so I can gag myself? Does Danny WANT people to hate him? He just keeps digging himself a bigger and bigger hole. The backstories have always kind of bugged me, but I can deal with most of them. However, I never want to see someone pimping out a dead spouse OR trying to “save” me with “inspiration.” Danny’s doing both and he is now so far at the bottom of AI contestants I despise it’s not even funny.

  • CRB

    We’ve waited several millennia for prophesy to be fulfilled and who would have thunk that it would come on a reality show via a bespectacled man who has to key down a sappy Mariah ballad. God, truly, does work in mysterious ways.

    Seriously, Simon Cowell has said that he wants to amp up the political incorrectness of Idol and give the show more edge and what better way than to create and destroy a “false messiah” during the course of a karaoke show. This is pretty brilliant, actually, if they can pull it off.

    Perhaps, Tatiana and her psychic’s prediction will come back via wild card to revenge her delayed-embrace snub from Gokey and strike down this pretender to the ultimate crown.

    They’ve got to put Gokey and his message out there, Time, Newsweek…Bill O’Rielly. :clap_tb:

  • Niall

    Well, serves me right for trusting the IMDB (which only credits him with AI producing from 2002-2005). Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m too busy watching the contestants to ever bother reading the credtis for that show, but if heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s on there, he must be producing.

    I could very well be wrong. There are so many Simons who work behind the scenes for that show that it is entirely possible I misread the credits. :)

    The only other explanation is that AI this year wants a winner who will conquer the CCM market.

  • judy

    Even if they visit the workplaces of all the idols, who can beat the drama of a church service and inspiring the masses? The oil rig guy running a machine? Axexis singing in a bar and taking care of her child? Anoop studying?

  • hypertwink

    I want to be entertained — not saved.

    This is love. :lol_tb:

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    ^^^ Creating a religious controversy is about the hottest controversy TPTB could create.

  • Niall

    I wonder if Anoop is Hindu? If so, will HIS faith get equal time?

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I wonder if Anoop is Hindu? If so, will HIS faith get equal time?

    If he is, it better not. Or he’ll get voted off.

  • ilovetohateai

    if you think about it, this is all working for AI. its the complete opposite for gokey.

  • CRB

    Niall Feb 21st, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    I wonder if Anoop is Hindu? If so, will HIS faith get equal time?

    One would hope so, they might want to bring Bill Mahr into the studio audience for some of these elimination shows, just to “bear witness” to the proceedings.

    By the way, let me add, that if Gokey wins this thing I’m going to throw up.

  • tinawina

    The only other explanation is that AI this year wants a winner who will conquer the CCM market.

    That market is way too small for TPTB. I’m surprised they are not going for Katy Perry 2.0 this year. Maybe that’s why they told Alexis to “slut it up”. Heh.

    ETA: Hey! I got an above the fold mention! Thanks mj. LMAO.

  • Martha74

    I went and looked at the Church web site, right on the front page is Jamar Rogers, Danny, the pastor and his wife. If Jamar is part of this spectacle, how does he justify his collaboration with Frankie in a rather racy pose at http://www.frankrogersmustlive.com/

    It’s pretty clear to me that this Church has people in it that are out to make the most of every opportunity.

  • Kirsten

    The only other explanation is that AI this year wants a winner who will conquer the CCM market.

    I cannot agree with this. Even if you conquer the CCM market, you aren’t moving a lot of units. CCM is tiny compared to the other markets. Last year, gospel moved 3.9M units in the first 3/4 of last year. Compare that with Rock which moved 99.6M units and R&B which moved 55M units during the same period. Even Jazz (7.9M), Latin (19.4M) and Soundtracks (14.5M) move more units. Heck, Daughtry moved more units than the combined total of all the Gospel artists (granted, not in the same period of time). I’m pretty sure that Fuller isn’t interested in a large slice of a tiny pie. He wants large pieces from large pies.

    CCM allows for a good (if not earth shattering) career for Sligh, Mandisa and George, but I just don’t see AI wanting a CCM artist to win.

  • JudyOhio

    Sooooo much backlash is to come on both sides of this issue. Danny didn’t peak my interest in his performances, but he’s sure peaking it now for his OTT playing of the “spiritual” card. I hate hypocrisy. I’m not saying he isn’t a Christian because I don’t know his heart. That’s God’s business. But I am saying he is obviously “using” God, Christians, religion, etc. in the worst possible way. It’s ugly. He is (imo) all about himself. I hope he’s the first one to go home from the top 12. Get off my TV Gokey, go do your missions elsewhere, you’re as transparent as they come!

  • cheese

    I thought Danny was the music director at the church – why can’t they show him doing that instead of preaching?

    The pastor talking enthusiastically about God and American Idol all in one little speech just freaks me out. Do you think God knows about GoPhones and DialIdol?

  • jersey

    “Do you think God knows about GoPhones and DialIdol?”

    :lol_tb:

  • Deejay

    I don’t see how this is inappropriate, guys. Idol always tries to give us a glimpse of the finalists’ lives at home, and they’ve repeatedly said they were going to focus more on the contestants as people this year. This church is a central part of Danny’s life, it seems, so…what else would AI show us?

    I mean, it’s understandable if people don’t want to witness one of Danny’s church services, but it’s no surprise that AI is going to show it to us. Nothing new.

  • Dr. Tracey

    By the way i have to say, the A.I. crew and producer were some of the nicest and most sincere people ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve ever met. They had great hearts and a real blessing to work with and get to know!

    This bit made me LOL
    I hear the angels singing to the tune of c-ching, c-ching, c-ching!!!!!!

    Really, what next? They resurrected Elvis on Idol Gives Back………mmmmm please tell me they wouldn’t go that far would they???? :eek_wp: :rolleyes_wp:

  • primeminister

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see how this is inappropriate, guys. Idol always tries to give us a glimpse of the finalistsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ lives at home, and theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve repeatedly said they were going to focus more on the contestants as people this year. This church is a central part of Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s life, it seems, soà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦what else would AI show us?

    I mean, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s understandable if people donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to witness one of Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s church services, but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no surprise that AI is going to show it to us. Nothing new.

    I don’t think witnessing one of Danny’s church services is the problem. I think it’s this:

    “And in vintage style Danny à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“preachedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on letting go of unforgiveness and the the pastà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦while embracing our future with hope. It was outstanding!”

  • Deejay

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think witnessing one of Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s church services is the problem. I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s this:

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“And in vintage style Danny à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“preachedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on letting go of unforgiveness and the the pastà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦while embracing our future with hope. It was outstanding!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Why is that a problem, if that’s what he’s often done? (I assume that’s also not new, since they called it “vintage-style.”)

  • dante

    This is the just too weird !!!!!

  • judy

    Somehow, when I hear ‘church music director’, I think singing and music, not giving a sermon.

  • MrsTrep

    I have to say that what bugs me about this is that they were having Gokey preach, that’s not what his job has been stated as, he’s the music director. It seems as they they are ‘stepping it up a notch’ for him so to speak. Maybe since he made the show and his wife died he has been more involved in the church and is moving towards being a minister, but we haven’t heard that. Given some of the things I have read about the church I am with Dr. Tracey, they are seeing dollar signs. I bet their website has been bombarded since MJ linked to it and his relationship with the church has come out. I could honestly care less about his religion. I do not think he is the best singer to have hit the stage so far, which is all that really matters to me regarding the competition. Unfortunately lots of others will see his story and vote based on that, because we all know it isn’t a singing competition!!

  • progression

    OK, I’ve tried to be open minded about the guy, because he’s probably not thinking clearly and getting lots of bad advice from 19evil. But now I’m done. Seriously.

  • jersey

    Well, based on the Michael Sarver post MJ just made, maybe this won’t be as bad as it seems. Maybe the church preaching part will just be a small part of the package, not the whole package. It seems they’re visiting lots of places with Michael, so maybe they’ve done the same with Danny. Maybe most of the preachy part will wind up on the cutting room floor.

  • Deejay

    Somehow, when I hear à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹church music directorà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢, I think singing and music, not giving a sermon.

    I have to say that what bugs me about this is that they were having Gokey preach, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not what his job has been stated as, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the music director. It seems as they they are à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢stepping it up a notchà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ for him so to speak.

    Guess you all haven’t been to any of the types of churches I’ve been to over the years… :tongue1_tb: That’s standard at the churches I grew up in. (Think Pentecostal…)

  • tinawina

    Somehow, when I hear à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹church music directorà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢, I think singing and music, not giving a sermon.

    He’s probably part of the “music ministry”. They do both, depending on the church.

  • judy

    deejay, you’re right. lol. I’m not a churchy person. I would think they would show him singing or putting together a musical number since he is the music director and this is a singing competition.

  • JJ123

    ummm….I just don’t see the big deal if this is where he works. I have no idea what kind of church it is or how it’s operated but if they called it his “vintage” style then I’m guessing he’s done it before so it’s part of who he is. I can’t wait for this week show in hopes that the next group will bring along lots of good (or bad!) stuff to talk about….because I can’t imagine there being much more to pick apart on Danny.

  • Deejay

    Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s probably part of the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“music ministryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . They do both, depending on the church.

    Yes, exactly.

  • abbysee

    Somehow I am a bit squicked out about this and I don’t know why.

    Even though I am not religious, I believe in God and have no problem talking about it. I have friends who practice all the major religions.

    I just think it’s the idol connection. It just seems incongruous that the same folk who want to slut up a young mother, are stuffing this guy down our throats. Eureka, I think that’s it! Hypocrites. Danny. AI. All of the above.

    Now if he sang like an angel I will still have a problem voting for him.

    Funny though, we are not seeing the forest for the trees and neither is he or his friend and family. This show eats their young, and he may be playing along, but I now think they don’t want him to win.

    CCM is such a small piece of the pie why would they want a winner to conquer that? That is why I get my hackles up when people say certain contestants should go there. It’s like yeah, let them be a big fish in a little pond. Talk about underachieving. If that is not where your heart is at, it’s hypocritical too!

  • sunchick

    Maybe my early theory that they were looking to break into Christian music wasn’t far off base…I just pegged the wrong person for the job when I guessed Ryan PA whatshisface. I don’t think Gokey will win with the backlash, but I would not be shocked if he launced a Christian music career from all this god favors our ministry and says you should vote for Danny Gokey nonsense. I think my other prediction was that they would hope to pit him against Adam and his androgenous glam performance style. Red states vs. blue states storyline arc? Hmm…

    Really, what next? They resurrected Elvis on Idol Gives Backà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦mmmmm please tell me they wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t go that far would they????

    :blink_tb: Oh, that’s harsh and funny and not too far off base all at once. Hee.

  • ABC123

    I think a few people are taking it a little too overboard. Danny said he is a Church musical director (or something to that effect) and what is likely to be shown is him singing with the choir. Which is what has been shown before with other contestants in the past. Yes, it’s a Church, but that’s his job. Michael Sarver is doing the same thing. I don’t see the hate going on there.

    I can almost predict how the package goes down. Danny goes to his hometown. He goes into the Church. He sings something. He thanks the people for coming. Random church people might be interviewed (who knows why). Segment over. Just like they did with countless other contestants.

    The whole sermon thing is not going to happen. First, sermons are copyrighted and American Idol would have to pay the church to air them. Not going to happen. Second, it clearly says that the service was put together and then he preached afterwards. That means after they taped. The AI people just stayed, which is their choice.

    Third, we are judging from a priest’s blog? Of course he is going to highlight the sermon. That is his part.

    Not a huge fan of Danny but it seems a lot of people jumped without reading the whole article and just assuming AI is going to air an hour and a half sermon.

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    His pastor seems very snake oil salesmanish to me. I’m guessing his church is loving all the attention and possible new members they will get out of this. I don’t mind religious (Christian or otherwise) contestants, but I feel like I’m being hit over the head with a frying pan.

    I said it days ago, but I have never believed he was a TCO. The early pimped frontrunners usually make tour, but don’t land at the top of the heap.

  • handler

    There are actually three worship leaders in this year’s semifinal group. Danny Gokey, Kris Allen, and Felicia Barton.

    A religious controversy would be VERY fun. Adam Lambert “Crazy” style vs. Worship Leaders? Yes please!

  • primeminister

    I said it days ago, but I have never believed he was a TCO. The early pimped frontrunners usually make tour, but donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t land at the top of the heap.

    I’m with you on that pj. While he is currently pimped as “TCO,” I don’t think he will win. Maybe he’ll be the O. M. G. SHOCK. BOOT!

  • cookcricket

    This has just gone completely overboard.

    Although (even though I haven’t watched all of the videos and actually stopped the first one I clicked on) we don’t know yet what they’re going to have on the show. Many of the things here are from online blogs so by the time anything from this visit is aired on AI anyone who has watched all of these will especially feel it’s WAY OTT.

  • leome

    As an agnostic person with low tolerance for church related things, I’m not sure how long I will be watching this season…

    I guess the rule of not performing outside of the show once you make the Top 36 only applies when you are NOT the chosen one.

    Last week Matt G. performed at his hometown.

  • BootStar

    Oh, good Lord, instead of the sway-bots this season, we can have people falling over, “slain in the Spirit” in the mosh pit after Danny brings them all into the “presence of the Lord.”

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Second, it clearly says that the service was put together and then he preached afterwards. That means after they taped. The AI people just stayed, which is their choice.

    I don’t think that’s clear at all. They would not tape the church without Danny. That’s the point–filming Danny at work, singing, preaching–whatever.

    First, sermons are copyrighted and American Idol would have to pay the church to air them. Not going to happen.

    I have a feeling Pastor Pruitt would make an exception here. LOL.

    Michael Sarver is doing the same thing. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see the hate going on there.

    No. Michael Sarver is attending service at his church. He’s not preaching there. And his pastor isn’t bragging that their church has now come to national prominence, thanks to AI.

    Not a huge fan of Danny but it seems a lot of people jumped without reading the whole article and just assuming AI is going to air an hour and a half sermon.

    It’s not cool to make generalizations about the posters here. You might want to read my guidelines before posting again.

    http://mjsbigblog.com/?page_id=1172

  • ABC123

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really think thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s clear at all. They would not tape the church without Danny. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the pointà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’filming Danny at work, singing, preachingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’whatever.

    I agree he was at the Church. However, it doesn’t mean that AI was filming his sermon or that it will make it on air (I explained why it wouldn’t in my opinion). No one knows what he filmed or what the point was. So is the problem that he attended Church or that he preached? Because this statement is confusing. If it’s preaching, there’s no evidence that it’s part of the package, only that it happened.

    No. Michael Sarver is attending service at his church. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not preaching there. And his pastor isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t bragging that their church has now come to national prominence, thanks to AI.

    How do we know he’s not? Just because it’s not in the article doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. As for the pastor bragging, the link is the pastor. It’s typical pastor speak. Michael’s article is from a newspaper in Texas. Big difference in the source quoted, in my opinion. I bet if a newspaper in Wisconsin talked about it, it would sound a lot different in tone. Is there a link for that?

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not cool to make generalizations about the posters here. You might want to read my guidelines before posting again.

    Sorry if I broke a guideline. I wasn’t trying to make generalizations. I was just making a reaction.

  • KrazeeK120

    No. Michael Sarver is attending service at his church. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not preaching there. And his pastor isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t bragging that their church has now come to national prominence, thanks to AI.

    How do we know heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not?

    I’m not sure which “he” you’re referring to, but as far as the pastor goes, I’ve not seen any articles or anything by or about Michael’s pastor about how Michael has made the church “famous.” Like I said, I’ve not SEEN anything. Doesn’t mean I didn’t miss something.

    As far as Michael goes…well it would be awfully silly for any church to have a guy that works at an oil rig (or an office, or as a doctor, or any non-church related profession) come up and preach. So I’m guessing that, based on logic, Michael wasn’t doing any preaching this weekend.

  • SashaB

    Wow. This is fascinating. Thanks MJ.

    Didn’t Idol get a ton of viewer calls and complaints last year after the Idols Give Back performance of “Shout to the Lord”? They changed the lyrics from “My Jesus” to “My Shepherd” on IGB night. I thought some peeps would be pleased by the song selection, especially in the CCM community that “Shout to the Lord” was even sung on prime time. But there was a HUGE outcry against this change, lo and behold, the next night, on the Top 8 Result Show, the idols sang “Shout to the Lord” again, but this time, with the correct (My Jesus) or original version. I was really surprised with the song selection in the first place, because it’s not a hymn but a pretty poppy praise song – and not a non-denominational type song. I did have a Buzz?WTF moment but then recalled that AI viewers and the demographic is quite broad. I just checked on Youtube, and there are over 700K view of both performances. I think they even removed one, because I remember seeing one that had over 800K views a few months back.

    I actually do think that producers and certainly Fremantle are aware of their audience and Look how squeeky clean the show is? No profanity and no smut. Very PC and so wholesome, except for snarky Simon. It’s very G rated. So they might embrace Gokey and leverage his story because while CCM is small, they are vocal, organized, and have proven grassroots power, too.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I agree he was at the Church. However, it doesn’t mean that AI was filming his sermon or that it will make it on air

    How do we know heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not? Just because ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not in the article doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean it didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t happen.

    And it doesn’t mean that AI DIDN’T film his sermon. Or that Michael DIDN’T just attend his church with out preaching…

    It’s a circular argument, at this point.

    We’re going to see Danny at work in his package, I would bet. And it could very well involve part of his sermon.

  • stelladallas

    A religious controversy would be VERY fun. Adam Lambert à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Crazyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  style vs. Worship Leaders? Yes please!

    Maybe Adam is a worship leader. This season is just getting started…still lots of stuff to find out.

  • tinawina

    Adam Lambert at work would be the best thing ever. PLEASE let him do his OTT freaky stage routine for his package. Adam, you HAVE to make the top 12! I would love that so much! Then we have to get shots of Alex in the closet covered in mold. Heh. And Jasmine watching Demi Lovato videos singing into her hairbrush, right after she put her makeup on with a paint roller. Best going home Top 12 videos ever!!!!

  • ABC123

    Weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re going to see Danny at work in his package, I would bet. And it could very well involve part of his sermon.

    It could or it couldn’t. The speculation goes both ways. As I said before, it would be interesting to see if a local newspaper picked up the filming. It’s a much more neutral source and would give us a better indication of what exactly American Idol filmed.

  • progression

    Maybe Adam is a worship leader

    Now that is a worship I would attend, lol.

  • Dr. Tracey

    Oh, good Lord, instead of the sway-bots this season, we can have people falling over, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“slain in the Spirità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in the mosh pit after Danny brings them all into the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“presence of the Lord.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    hahahaha that’s too funny, made me LOL

  • abbysee

    Maybe Adam is a worship leader

    Now that may be a church I am interested in attending.

  • SashaB

    “Then we have to get shots of Alex in the closet covered in mold. Heh.”

    Bwah! Y’all are making me laugh. I’m only tracking this season through recaps and your comments. This is hilarious.

  • abbysee

    I actually do think that producers and certainly Fremantle are aware of their audience and Look how squeeky clean the show is? No profanity and no smut. Very PC and so wholesome, except for snarky Simon. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s very G rated. So they might embrace Gokey and leverage his story because while CCM is small, they are vocal, organized, and have proven grassroots cred.

    You are right, they are courting them, but they aren’t gonna marry ‘em. Pander, pander, pander.

  • templeton

    Oy. I’m sure the intention of these “packages” are so that we the viewers can learn more about the chosen top 12. But the more I read/hear about Gokey it confirms my initial distaste for him. His voice is okay but nothing distinctive or memorable.

  • baxter

    If AI was at Danny’s church and he got up and preached…..I guarantee it got taped. They are going to document every sec of these contestant whenever they can. Consider it leverage if they ever need it. I don’t believe he is TCO, and if his popularity gets too big….hello TMZ. These idols have cameras in their faces non-stop. I doubt AI would turn them off while he was up their giving his “inspirational, up with people ” bullshit sermon. Now whether it gets shown is another story, but it got taped.

    These ginormous churches creep me the hell out, but then again I grew up in a “here’s the door, here’s the steeple…open it up and see all the people” small traditional looking church that never would have preached about “Style” or “prosperity” the way Danny’s church does.

  • flicker

    Last week Matt G. performed at his hometown.

    He did perform one night, but he had planned shows for 2 more nights, and AI stopped him.

    The 23-year-old Western Michigan University graduate took the stage last Friday night at downtown’s Monaco Bay Piano Bar and Grill before a packed house. It had been advertised that WMU’s former Gold Company singer would perform again last Saturday and Sunday at Monaco Bay, but those shows never took place, said Bill Fahl, the venue’s marketing director.

    “I don’t know the specifics of it,” Fahl said Thursday. “Essentially, I don’t think he got in trouble (with the `Idol’ show, as one local radio station reported). But he was advised he wasn’t supposed to perform.”

    http://www.mlive.com/news/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/news-32/1235145026207340.xml&coll=7

  • Tatiana

    A religious controversy would be VERY fun. Adam Lambert à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Crazyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  style vs. Worship Leaders? Yes please!

    I vote for Adam Lambert “Crazy” style in the Red State – Blue State showdown! LOL!

    Can you imagine if the Top 2 is him and Gokey? Gokey warbles some cheesetastic inspirational shizzle and Lambert pulls out “Crawl thru Fire”???!!! :devil_tb:

  • hypertwink

    I think I know someone who’s totally not going to appreciate this Pastor Pruitt associating himself with Idol. Simon is going to get really pissed off.

  • sunchick

    Can you imagine if the Top 2 is him and Gokey? Gokey warbles some cheesetastic inspirational shizzle and Lambert pulls out à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Thru The Fireà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ???!!!

    Exactly. Only in my imagination, Adam counters Hokey’s righteous ballad with a glammed out cover of Madonna’s Like a Prayer. Hee. And people thought the David wars were brutal…..

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Styleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“prosperityà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  the way Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s church does.

    I find the commodifcation of Christianity off-putting, myself.

    Of course, I grew up Catholic, but because I’m from the South, I’m familiar with some of the other Christian faiths. In the seventies, my church had folk singers (I guess to get the youth interested… I was too young to have much of a choice). Perhaps those early years of guitar-strumming hippies to “Lamb of God” led to my eventual embracing last year’s folkies, Jason and Brooke!

    Exactly. Only in my imagination, Adam counters Hokeyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s righteous ballad with a glammed out cover of Madonnaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Like a Prayer. Hee. And people thought the David wars were brutalà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..

    OMG! He can do it BiGod 20 style to further increase the divide. LOL.

    http://www.videoplayer.hu/videos/play/57543

  • LK09

    I am finding this whole conversation amusing. :laugh_tb:

  • weareallinnocent

    Only in my imagination, Adam counters Hokeyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s righteous ballad with a glammed out cover of Madonnaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Like a Prayer.

    Make that a *cover* of Madonna’s Like a Virgin video… :lol_tb: :devil_tb:

  • http://www.myspace.com/swood1104 Sarah

    I think my other prediction was that they would hope to pit him against Adam and his androgenous glam performance style. Red states vs. blue states storyline arc? Hmmà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Prop 8 played out LIVE, tonight on…….. American Idol!!!

    :rolleyes_tb:

    I’m so over talking about this dude. I’m not even gonna comment except to say that this just totally creeps me out.

  • St.Lucia

    I will make sure to not be in the room during this part.

    I’m done with him. I’ve had enough.

    He’ll be lucky if I happen to even watch his performances on idol anymore. I might just be conveniently out of the room.

    I’m not appreciating whatever Danny is trying to do.

  • St.Lucia

    I think that Cowell/Fuller/Warwick just whore themselves out to any populous demographic they can.

    In case they did figure out that the most popular demographic is middle American and highly Christian women, just because I’m a faithful person(and others as well) doesn’t mean I need to have it with my entertainment!!!

    I’m not going to shy away. I believe in God. I don’t go to church regularly, but I go. I’m not perfect, but dammit, I DO NOT WANT it on my teevee! At. All.

    I’m so disgusted by Danny right now and American Idol in general. What the heck is up with this crap?

  • Kirsten

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not going to shy away. I believe in God. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t go to church regularly, but I go. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not perfect, but dammit, I DO NOT WANT it on my teevee! At. All.

    This reminds me of the time I went to the beach with my very religious Aunt (she even trained to be a nun, but decided that wasn’t her path in life). This dude arrived and was evangelizing to everybody, but he made a big mistake when he tried to talk to her. She just tore him to shreds for bothering people on the beach (basically, just what you just said). People go to the beach to relax, not get a lecture on religion. She actually got cheers from the nearby sunbathers and the guy slunk off.

    I don’t think Mr. Gokey realizes that most people don’t want to be converted while they are watching a cheesy TV show. They just, for a few hours, want to forget the failing economy and that world peace seems miles away. They want to watch some pointy poses and decide for themselves who is the best singer. Is it bread and circuses? I little. But sometimes we just need a little entertainment.

    But, there are some people, who are so caught up in their own life that they have to convert everybody. Whether it is the person who just started taking supplements, the parents with the precocious kids that thinks everybody should have kids, the ex-smoker who is on a health kick, the guy who is making a killing in the market, the politics-junky, the Idol fanatic weilding a CD or whoever who just won’t shut up about their cause because they are going to bring light into your life. They don’t seem to realize that nobody wants their friggin’ light. And they especially don’t want to have friggin’ light shone on them when they are just trying to watch somebody butcher “Against All Odds” for the 17th time on Idol. These converters just annoy everybody and they never seem to get that.

    So, if Danny isn’t completely blinded by his cause, has an ounce of common sense and is not as dumb as a sack of hair, he needs to can the “message” talk or he’s going to turn off a lot of people. The producers are using him. Now, he may be content in being used. He may figure that an average Joe like him is never going to win anyway and if the nation turns against him for “witnessing” there will be a bunch of churches who will gladly support him as a “martyr”. If so, well played Mr. Gokey. If not and he continues on his current path, he better be prepared for a major backlash and TMZ digging through his past with a fine-toothed comb. Everybody has something in their history that can be twisted into something else by TMZ.

    Now, Danny doesn’t bother me. I’m just going to ignore the manipulation and continue to not want him to win because I don’t like his singing style. I just see his current path not ending well.

  • tinawina

    Now, Danny doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t bother me. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just going to ignore the manipulation and continue to not want him to win because I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like his singing style. I just see his current path not ending well.

    Yeah, he may be one of those contestants that gets an early rabid fanbase that he can never grow partly because everybody else has started hating him… unless he just knocks it out of the park and proves he deserves all the pimpage next time we see him. If he never gets past the hate that would be kind of a shame to me. Not that I think he’s all that, cause I don’t, but death by backstory is a waste in a contest that’s supposed to be about singing and performance. Plus, there is something a little squicky to me about mass hatred for a young recent widower, especially if its been manufactured partly by some TV producers for their own gain.

  • Niall

    I’ve never been bothered by the other contestant video packages where they were filmed in church so I think what is bothering me about this boils down to four things:
    1)We’ve already been bludgeoned over and over with “Danny the redeemer,” complete with Jesus lighting, and other over the top reactions to his average singing.
    2) The dead wife exploitation/sympathy ploy for votes
    3) The fakey fakey way this whole sermon came about. They basically invited the congregation down to Faith Builders for a tv taping so Danny could “perform” for the cameras. I’m sure the content of his sermon was calculated to remind us all that Danny’s wife is dead and he’s ready to give us hope.
    4) Pastor Pruitt and Faith Builders version of Christianity is an absolute abomination. If Danny Gokey believes in what Pastor Pruitt believes then I don’t think he read the New Testament very carefully.

    Oh and Faith Builders is already benefiting from Gokey. Devoted (obsessed) fans from his home state have already posted on websites talking about how they just happened to need a new place of worship and gosh golly they just happened to choose Danny’s church. Very stalkerish but I doubt Pruitt will worry about it as long as they fill the collection plate.

  • Deejay

    I never got the impression that Danny was trying to proselytize. Is that really how it comes across to you guys? The whole “message of hope” thing just sounds like (wayyyy) watered-down Obama, and it may come from religious roots, but Obama certainly hasn’t tried to convert the nation. I wouldn’t think that’s Danny’s intention unless he started talking about Jesus on AI.

    ETA: I in no way mean to insult Obama by comparing Danny’s rhetoric to his.

  • Deejay

    A religious controversy would be VERY fun. Adam Lambert à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Crazyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  style vs. Worship Leaders? Yes please!

    What if we had an Adam Lambert “crazy” style worship leader…all rolled up into one? :laugh_tb:

    “Crawl Through Fire” could take on a whole new meaning.

  • http://everyopinion.blogspot.com Terrie

    Each season I have a lot of fun here at MJ’s with the regular commenters. We would brainstorm about song suggestions for the next theme night, even though the contestants had probably pick theirs out already, and snark good-naturedly about the show. I am looking forward to brainstorming with you soon about song suggestions for Adam Lambert.

    I agree with all of you who resent the overt pimpage — that’s been one of my biggest complaints about the show every year since season 1. I also agree with the “shut up and sing” consensus.

    Please understand that I am not criticizing anyone who is expressing their opinions. MJ runs a tolerant site that attracts an interesting mix of opinions. But right now, reading the comments here is not fun or entertaining for me.

    I apologize if my impression is wrong, but it seems like this whole anti-Danny meme started with an avalanche of new commenters — at least, their user names were unfamiliar to me, not that I am keeping track or even have the most reliable memory right now. However it started, it changed the overall tone of the comment threads. I have been reading and posting here since AI5 and until now I don’t remember seeing any other threads dominated by the word hate.

    This has been my favorite AI web site — I subscribe so I can read MJ’s posts at work — and I will keep checking back to see if you’re having cheesy fun again.

  • ABC123

    I also agree with the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“shut up and singà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  consensus.

    The good news for most on this blog is it looks like he did just shut up and sing. I’m reading through the comments on the “Friday concert” on the FBIM website and apparently Danny and a bunch of FBIM band members (whatever the heck that is) just sung a bunch of Church stuff. Typical stuff like every other Church package America Idol produces each year.

  • tinydcfan

    I believe it was Sasha who said she is only keeping up w/this season of Idol via MJ’s recaps and y’all’s comments, and I’m in the same boat. No cable or satellite in my home, and since FOX pulls all the online eps, this is it for me. So, I just want to thank all of you for some seriously entertaining comments in this thread and several others lately. You guys are always here when I need a good laugh, and I just wanted to say how much I appreciate all of you :wub_tb:

  • Lera

    PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE…lol what AI will show is Danny praying in Church and tears roll down his face as they send prayers up to dead mans wife.

    OMG, here come the shroud!

    LOL

  • gingerly

    I apologize if my impression is wrong, but it seems like this whole anti-Danny meme started with an avalanche of new commenters à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  at least, their user names were unfamiliar to me, not that I am keeping track or even have the most reliable memory right now.

    Hi Terrie. I have to say that I’ve been posting here well on a yer and don’t recall your name except for the last couple Danny threads. Could it be we’ve been posting in different threads…that no common thread has ever brought us together? I’m absolutely not saying that you’re calling ME out, because, after all, this is my first post to this thread. I am just trying to point out that just because you haven’t seen somebody before, means truly nothing.

    On to my main reason for posting. I see Danny as not having a snowball’s chance of winning this year. I’ll refrain from calling out his church (although I could do it al day) because others have done it just as well as I could. Ultimately, I think Danny can’t win in that I believe everybody who will vote for him is pretty much set in stone. I do believe he has a huge fan base. I also think that as contestants get eliminated, Danny would not be gobbling up the votes of that fanbase. In this regard, I think being an early favorite is a detriment.

  • anijsch

    Maybe Danny is really AI’s Sarah Palin.

    If they want Adam, who could easy be a male Kate Perry, but they are not sure if he can put a majority of Amercia behind him.
    So they decide to pimp someone at the extreme opposite and hope that in the end more people go for Adam, because they like the alternative even less.

  • ktkidwatcher

    We don’t know what part of his trip back home they are going to show on TV yet and if they show him preaching, THEN talk about it. But it is too early to know if they will even air Danny preaching to his church.

    I do agree that it would be super annoying if they did show his sermon (which is probably full of “the Lord took my wife and now I am saved!” and tons of dead-wife comments) but leave it until it actually happens. No sense in getting worked up when we only know a little bit of information.

    edited: please don’t lecture fellow posters

  • abbysee

    I really don’t see any hate. I don’t hate Danny and until Tuesday nite I might have voted for him. Then he sang Hero. Kinda maudlin like. Then he began to talk about inspiration and all that. Sorta got my hackles up. Then a relative held up that picture, and pointed skyward, and that was pretty much validation of what many others had been feeling. Made me feel a little bit sick. That being said. String together a few weeks of good singing and that might turn the tide. If he continues down this road though, he’s pretty much road kill. I don’t think that sounds like hate, just honesty.

    And seriously, this is a blog, with a comment section. We had our say on so many contests, and will continue to do so. Gokey was just appetizer. Believe it. This is just the beginning.

  • Tess

    I wish I had a “pensieve” (Harry Potter terminology) so that I could see into the thoughts of certain AI contestants. But without that magic tool I have to observe and dissect based on their comments and their actions. Divorcing Danny’s actions from the AI manipulation and reading only his answers to interviewer’s questions and hearing him speak have resulted in my dislike of the man, not how AI is presenting him.

    I have this feeling that Danny is smart enough to realize that his chances of being the next American Idol are pretty slim but that he is savvy enough to understand that there is a BIG economic future for himself after this season is over, especially in his present career.

    What better way for Danny to get his “own” ministry than to have a large fan base built up that he can swoop into his own arena. The sold-out arenas that Paula mentioned will be for his “Billy Graham like” crusades where he will bring his message of hope and salvation to the masses. He doesn’t want to be just a little singer in a big pond, he wants to be the next Great preacher and Inspire millions. He has a goal…but it ain’t being the next American Idol!

  • hypertwink

    Pastor Pruitt is not gonna like that.

  • mandalay

    I’m an agnostic borderline athiest – evolution anyone? Why haven’t we seen taped segments of contestants of other faiths at their houses of worship? To each his own, but I simply hate the fact of any religion being shoved down my throat. What’s next. Instead of 6 guys and 6 girls we’ll have 6 Republicans and 6 Democrats?

    This whole thing is just plain Yuck.

  • anijsch

    What I don’t understand is that they make a fuss about Rickey’s parents and a website, which maybe sell a few T shirts, but planning to give screen time to a church, which also have financial interest.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I apologize if my impression is wrong, but it seems like this whole anti-Danny meme started with an avalanche of new commenters

    Nope. Any new commenters on my blog are landing here to wag their fingers at the “haterz,” who are by and large regular posters.

    However it started, it changed the overall tone of the comment threads. I have been reading and posting here since AI5 and until now I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t remember seeing any other threads dominated by the word hate.

    Nope. It’s pretty much the same ole same ole you’ll find once the Idol season gets underway.

    Maybe you are just noticing it now because the subject is something that affects you personally.

    Having said that, I want to remind everyone AGAIN, that meta discussions regarding the posters and the tone of the threads is OFF TOPIC.

    Please get back to topic.

  • weareallinnocent

    He doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to be just a little singer in a big pond, he wants to be the next Great preacher and Inspire millions. He has a goalà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦but it ainà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t being the next American Idol!

    This is the question, isn’t it? I wonder what he really aims for at the end of the day (no pun intended.) Cuz it sure ain’t a popstar career now, is it?! For me, this question, and it’s answer or non-answer, adds to the feel of great exploitation — of his grief, of his beliefs, of his church and his role in it. YMMV.

    BTW, I agree with those thanking MJ and her posters for keeping it real, as I too am only *watching* AI8 and gaining insights here. I especially thank you all for sifting through the horrors and alerting us, so that I can only watch the good ones. What a time saver! LOL

    ETA: I feel compelled, perhaps against my better judgment, to add that, imo, no one is “making fun” of a grieving widower. Instead, we’re appalled by his use of his loss (not to mention, his religious fervor) for professional? or financial? gain and personal fame. At least that’s my view and reading of it. FWIW

  • Jmeaton

    MJ I cannot believe that you would “make fun” of someone because they are still getting over their wife dying. I take it you have never lost someone, and don’t realize how fresh it is in someone’s mind only after 7 months.

    My wife and I have come to your site for many years to get the most up to date information about Idol, and we are both disgusted that you would bash two Christian men because they were filmed doing something that is a part of both of their lives. As a Christian musician, if I were to be on Idol, I woud want a large part of my Idol Journey to represent what is really important to me in life, and It would just so happen to be music in church.

    I ask that you be careful in what you are posting on your site… I know it is freedom of speech, and you can write whatever you want. I think this site is great, but the criticism towards these two men, especially Danny is un-called for.

    Take my comment for what it is worth, but I am sure there are others out there that feel the same way as my wife and I.

  • cookcricket

    What I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand is that they make a fuss about Rickeyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s parents and a website, which maybe sell a few T shirts, but planning to give screen time to a church, which also have financial interest.

    Because Ricky’s mom gave the name of the website on national TV after he sang. I’m guessing this wasn’t part of AI plan and I’m not so sure many noticed. However, for some reason they panicked and are probably bringing more attention to Ricky now that they deleted it…maybe? Hopefully? if he gets called back for the wildcard round, please!

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m reading through the comments on the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Friday concertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on the FBIM website and apparently Danny and a bunch of FBIM band members (whatever the heck that is) just sung a bunch of Church stuff. Typical stuff like every other Church package America Idol produces each year.

    Considering the comments and the pastor’s blog together, it sounds like there was singing–of course–because that’s what Danny does. And there was also some preaching in between. I’m sure the AI cameras captured all of it. What they use we won’t know until they air the package in a few weeks.

  • loosegoose

    I haven’t read anyone here making fun of Danny’s grief. Some of us, me included, don’t see much “grief” in his blatant use of his wife’s death to plead for votes and his promoting himself as an inspiration to us all. That’s what we object to.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    MJ I cannot believe that you would à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“make funà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  of someone because they are still getting over their wife dying. I take it you have never lost someone, and donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t realize how fresh it is in someoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s mind only after 7 months.

    Holy shit, yet another criticism that assumes something about my personal life. You have absolutely NO idea what I’ve been through. And guess what? I’m not about to tell you, because it’s none of your business. But I can assure you I have had my share of loss in my life, just like every other human being walking the planet.

    Danny IS NOT special. He chose to drag his dead wife onto the Idol stage and make her his backstory. Now she’s fair game. I don’t buy the idea that Danny is beyond criticism because he’s had tragedy in his life.

    My wife and I have come to your site for many years to get the most up to date information about Idol, and we are both disgusted that you would bash two Christian men because they were filmed doing something that is a part of both of their lives.

    I take issue with Pastor Pruitt’s obvious self-aggrandizement. I took a look at his videos. He’s a snake-oil salesman, in my opinion. That is not an indictment of Christianity. It’s me saying I don’t like the looks of Pastor Pruitt.

    And if you were reading carefully, you would have noticed that I don’t have a problem with church visits. See the Michael Sarver thread.

    But Danny is running the “I’m here to inspire ALL OF YOU” deal into the ground. And no, I have no desire to witness Danny preaching at me on my TV during a cheesy reality show.

    I ask that you be careful in what you are posting on your siteà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I know it is freedom of speech, and you can write whatever you want. I think this site is great, but the criticism towards these two men, especially Danny is un-called for.

    Yes. The freedom of speech thing. We’ll be stopping right there.

    Thanks for your comments.

  • JudyOhio

    ETA: I feel compelled, perhaps against my better judgment, to add that, imo, no one is à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“making funà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  of a grieving widower. Instead, weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re appalled by his use of his loss (not to mention, his religious fervor) for professional? or financial? gain and personal fame.

    Thanks for posting. That’s pretty much in a nutshell how I see it also.

  • mandalay

    Gee, did “Anonymous” just visit here?

  • VictoriaB

    I take issue with Pastor Pruittà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s obvious self-aggrandizement. I took a look at his videos. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a snake-oil salesman, in my opinion. That is not an indictment of Christianity. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s me saying I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like the looks of Pastor Pruitt.

    I’ve never posted on here, but I always read the comments, and I’m so glad you said that. I’m a Christian, and from what I’ve seen, Danny’s church is more about the money than the spiritual aspect. Of course, I could be wrong.

    I havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t read anyone here making fun of Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s grief. Some of us, me included, donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see much à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“griefà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in his blatant use of his wifeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s death to plead for votes and his promoting himself as an inspiration to us all. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what we object to.

    Exactly how I feel. Well said.

  • Layla

    Oh, good Lord, instead of the sway-bots this season, we can have people falling over, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“slain in the Spirità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in the mosh pit after Danny brings them all into the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“presence of the Lord.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    That just tickled the shit out of me. :lol_tb:

  • J.S.G.

    Well since this thread has become somewhat of a ‘call to arms,’ what I object to is the persuasive invasion of the Religious Right into every day North American life.

    The separation of church and state no longer seems certain, so it should come as no surprise the Fundamentalists have targetted American Idol.

    When one of the Idols goes home to Jeremiah Wright’s church, be sure to give me a call because that would be different.

  • poporange

    Warning -Well here some lame humor-from SNL-
    “If you throw a dummy off a bulding someone will catch it . Why? everyone needs a free Dummy.. ” “Why does the Iowa stadium have fake grass? So the cheerleaders do not graze in halftime.” “Did you hear that the coach woudn’t let the Vikings eat out of a cereal bowl?When they get close to a bowl they choke.” Now back to idol..

    Reading this blog intersting picture came to mind….Adam in a flashy t-shirt and wearing a pink Boa leading a church in “Cumbyya ” while doing the mosh pit wave.

  • JudyOhio

    I disagree. I don’t see this as a “call to arms” because AI isn’t “the state” and is not paid for by our taxes. Imo, the religious right should have as much freedom in their religion as any other religion. This is America, freedom to worship is just that….a freedom we enjoy. Also, there is a difference in that American Idol is not trying to push a doctrine. It is Danny with (what appears might be) an agenda and perhaps his pastor. I don’t see AI as political in that sense, at all.

  • SpenserJ

    I take issue with Pastor Pruittà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s obvious self-aggrandizement. I took a look at his videos. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a snake-oil salesman, in my opinion. That is not an indictment of Christianity. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s me saying I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like the looks of Pastor Pruitt.

    What’s the matter MJ – you don’t like your religious men to wear Rolex’s and drive Escalades? Surely that’s what God wants them to do.

    I don’t have any problems with Christianity or people going to church in general. In fact, I just got back from church myself. I think my church is probably following the wrong path though, as my priest drives a 10 year old Ford.

    Pastor Pruitt must feel like he’s just won the lottery. Danny brought him a whole new batch of lemmings ready to dip into their pockest to support their pastor’s prosperity. I can smell the money pouring in from here.

  • Grammie Kari

    Posted previously…

    OK, we know that AI went to Danny and Michaelà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s churches this weekend – so we get the promotion of the wholesome Christian values guy(s). Having Adam in the TOP 12 may shake up some of the Christian values voters to rally against an openly gay contestant. Maybe even more than one? More open-minded fans will rally for their guy.

    Does anyone remember the drama Mandisa set up the week she left? The boards were buzzing. New posters came aboard on all blogs. DRAMA!

    Aretha revealed in the Detroit Free Press that she does watch American Idol.

    I read that Simon paid the mortgage for Fantasiaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s house.

    MG, how do I delete a post when I cannot access it?

  • loosegoose

    A bit OT here, but is it confirmed that Adam is gay? He’s a flamboyant performer who appears to enjoy “dressing up” in outrageous ways, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s gay. Maybe I missed the news bulletin about it.

  • Natasha

    Boy they sure are playing to the red states this year. What’s a girl in a blue state to do?

    I have nothing against religion but Pastor Pruitt seems kinda dodgy. I hope I’m not going to have to hear Danny preach his doctrine all season.

  • Kirsten

    Well since this thread has become somewhat of a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹call to arms,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ what I object to is the persuasive invasion of the Religious Right into every day North American life.

    But isn’t that what freedom is all about? If the Religious Right evangalizes and people of their own free will choose to join or give them a platform (like AI), doesn’t that mean that the seperation of church and state is working exactly as it was intended? I don’t care for churches like the one Gokey belongs to. To be honest, they kind of squick me out and I don’t like them gaining more influence. But, who am I to decide?

    I’m not saying Danny is going to do it, but if he wants to use AI as a platform to spread his religion and AI doesn’t mind it, it’s his/their right. Just as if somebody uses AI to promote Gay Rights or Animal Rights or Human Rights or Political Parties or Ugly Hats or the 205 Area Code. But if their end goal is winning the show, they have to realize that people who dislike Ugly Hats or whatever, may be turned off by them and not vote for that contestant. So, unless the cause is pretty universal (like stopping child abuse), then contestants are taking a risk which some of them might find worth taking.

    I think that most people watch this show to be entertained. I think that Danny has the right to try to spread his religion, but I don’t think it’s the best strategy if he hopes to win.

  • weareallinnocent

    ^^^Well, technically, what you reference has little to do with the separation of church and state. But, I do agree with the point that you make about the contestants and the competition.

  • http://stores.ebay.com/BookWomanBlues-Book-Nook Bobbi

    Separation of church and state is nothing more than saying the American government cannot install and demand adherence to a state religion. Period. It has nothing to do with AI or any other type of secular forum despite people throwing it into every discussion that concerns religion these days.

    That being said, every other type of forum outside of the U.S. government has to make their own decisions about what role any kind of religion will play if it has any role to play at all. This year it appears that AI seems to be embracing it in a way it hasn’t previously. That remains to be seen. However, Danny’s approach, both religious and personal, seems to be turning off a great deal of viewers. AI and Danny should pay attention to that if they’re at all interested in not turning off viewers and voters.

    I really hope that once this segment is aired, it will be no more offensive to the masses than many other church related segments have been in the past. Somehow, I doubt it but I remain hopeful. Either way, I won’t be voting for Danny because I just don’t feel he’s that talented.

  • JudyOhio

    It might turn off (or on) voters for Danny, probably off, but controversy brings audience so AI could probably care less……….cha-ching bud-a-bing!

  • latingrl2005

    The only thing that would worries me, is if the Claymates find their new Jesus, regroup and come back as the Dannymates.

    Then we would officially be in HELL.

  • anijsch

    There are other contestants in the next groups, who come from a Christian music background.

    Felica Barton, who else ?

    I hope one of them could take over from Danny during the Top 12.

  • judy

    Dannymates! LMAO.

  • Lu

    how ’bout Okeygokeys…

  • Ashley19

    The only thing that would worries me, is if the Claymates find their new Jesus, regroup and come back as the Dannymates.

    LOL :laugh_tb:

  • abbysee

    Dannymates, okeygokeys, LOL x infinity.

    Then we would officially be in HELL

    I think we could be headed in that direction. I don;t know about the talent but the shenanigans of both the contestants and tptb are gonna keep this place hopping this season.

  • hypertwink

    Dannymates ~ Danfans? Dannymals? Gokeystadors?

  • Niall

    Based on what I’ve seen online Danny is poaching some of his fans from the Archuleta, Castro, Cook and Taylor Hicks fanbases.Not all but quite a few. If you have any knowledge of how nutty those fanbases have gotten over the years, it probably doesn’t bode well. I haven’t seen too many admit to being former Claymates.

    I just find it funny that every year there is a large segment of fans who go bonkers over TCO or the one that they feel has “a servant’s heart” but by the time the next season starts they are going bonkers over a new contestant. That probably explains the fleeting nature of idol fame right there.

    My vote is for DannyDisciples. I’ve already read one or two online accounts (and not even on a Danny Gokey site) of people who changed churches so they could worship at Danny’s church. It was the same thing last year with some Castro fans attending his church but trying to claim it had nothing to do with the fact that it was Jason’s church, that was just a “coincidence.”

  • latingrl2005

    I havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seen too many admit to being former Claymates.

    Would you? With all the jokes out there.

  • mandalay

    I was just coming here to post Danny’s Disciples. You beat me Niall.

  • hypertwink

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/georgepitcher/4781984/Jade-Goody-needs-a-chance-to-be-truly-brave.html

    Anyway, I was scanning when I came across a series of articles about UK reality star Jade Goody and her terminal cancer. Interestingly enough, this sort of touches upon one of the debates about Danny about inspiration/bravery vs. being mercenary. It’s an interesting read, both sad and a little appalling really.

  • latingrl2005

    This is the pattern I’ve noticed with Idol fans.

    Season 2 peaked with ultra-Christians fans all went to Clay.

    Season 3 boring

    Season 4 Bo was the hero until the POT story.

    Season 5 (Clay gay rumors) the Taymates are born

    Season 6 Boring

    Season 7 Taylor has been dropped…they move Cook, Jason and Archie

    Season 8 Clay is out…..Dannymania….Ultra-Christian, Straight and “can filled stadiums” :eek_wp:

  • Lisa

    *waves to the interns* I bet you all are eating this up, lol.

    Recap of the season so far. We had bikini girl, an average singer who lost his wife, and a girl who lost her marbles. Not really great for a *singing competition*. Great for ratings tho.

  • Tess

    Based on what Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve seen online Danny is poaching some of his fans from the Archuleta, Castro, Cook and Taylor Hicks fanbases.

    Yup….so true. He’s singing feel good message ballads AKA Archie. He’s trying to appear as innocent and middle America and church going as Castro. He’s figured that a tragic backstory can’t help but make people feel story for your situation and give you their sympathy votes AKA Cook (though, Cookie, bless his heart, never asked for the votes), and he has publicized the fact that Taylor was a favorite of his wife. Too bad he hasn’t figured out a way to appear ethnic, or female…but give the guy time, miracles do happen!

  • Lisa

    but give the guy time, miracles do happen!

    Give him time and I am sure he will walk on water. LOL Sorry someone had to say it, figured it might as well be me, lol.

    I was a Taylor fan & Cook fan, not a Danny fan. They both had one thing he does not, better voices & star quality. (I am over Taylor tho, lol).

  • Deejay

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m an agnostic borderline athiest – evolution anyone?

    I’m neither agnostic nor atheist, and I believe evolution happened…

    Why havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t we seen taped segments of contestants of other faiths at their houses of worship? To each his own, but I simply hate the fact of any religion being shoved down my throat. Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s next. Instead of 6 guys and 6 girls weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll have 6 Republicans and 6 Democrats?

    Maybe there aren’t contestants of other faiths who go to houses of worship or consider religion a major part of their lives? Christianity is dominant in this country, and I don’t find AI to be the most diverse or representative pool.

    Also, if they throw in some independents, maybe I’ll vote.

  • judy

    hypertwink, I read somewhere yesterday that Jade Goody is quite up front and has said her motivation is to make money to leave for her kids. I can respect honesty like that.

  • OhSnap

    I understand the criticism. Such as, Danny not hugging Tatiana. Some see that as a dick move, but I’m not so sure. First of all, I went back to see the video and Michael Sarver comes out of nowhere to give him a bear hug. So had Danny been inclined to turn to his right and hug Tatiana, that was stopped by this. I can’t find any more video on this, so if someone has a link, please post it.

    Also, my thought is, we are catching a glimpse of his grieving process. He talkes about his wife, he throws himself into his religion and his work (AI finals), Sarver becomes his new BFF (they pray together), and he has second thoughts of hugging an emotional time bomb. If I was dealing with my own powerful feelings of grief, two seconds of Emotions-On-Her-Sleeve Tatiana would be too much for me. Still, some may see this is arrogant. I see it as, sure he could have handled that better, but he’s human so let’s move on. The Chosen One would have, of course, known what was right, and would have consoled Tatiana. So can we just please stop referring to him as TCO? There are other good singers in this competition. I think Danny will be in the top 5, but who knows after that. I think people are being dickish for assuming Danny can turn his emotions off and just look at this as a singing competition. Hello? I’ve watched this show for 8 seasons? Does everyone still think it is just about the singing?

    As for him using his church to spread the word, that will make some uncomfortable. I am not a churchgoer, and I have always found people that trumpet their faith a bit unnerving. In Danny’s case, this is who he is. It seems to me that some people think he should hide this because people “don’t want this stuffed down their throats?” Well, no one is forcing them to watch idol. The separation of church and state is not even a valid argument, because AI is a private enterprise, funded by private money.

    I think he just needs to remain true to himself. A lot of people will think he’s exploiting his wife, and I have no problem of them voicing their opinion. The suggestions that he is some snake oilsmen seems completely off base to me. I don’t believe it for a second.

    We are used to seeing religious fundamentalists in politics, and already people are making the same assumptions that Danny falls under that category.

    If it is his desire to become a Gospel Singer, I see nothing wrong with it being on Idol. Chris Sligh and Melinda DooLittle I believe won the Dove Award, which is an award for Gospel singing. So there is a market for it and there are former Idols in this genre. This isn’t new.

    Also, may I add that viewers like to think this is a singing contest. Voting for the favorites is a third of what this show is about. The other two-thirds is marketing (shocking, I know) and exposure (you may call it exploitation). Mariah Carey come on this show not out of the goodness of their hearts but because they “pimp” their albums on AI. AI is to music what the SuperBowl is to advertising ads. If it didn’t serve the purpose of marketing and exposure, the viewer voting will not exist. There would be no show because no one is watching it.

    That being said, I like Danny and will be voting for him enthusiastically. But I don’t plan on becoming a born again Christian.

    edit: don’t judge your fellow posters. my guidelines: http://mjsbigblog.com/?page_id=1172

  • http://www.myspace.com/gwendolyndiane GwendolynD

    In some ways, this is funny.

    Though I love Danny Gokey and his voice, I do not think he will win American Idol.

    The fact that he’s drawing so much attention is interesting. It’ll all die down soon enough, and when he doesn’t have enough votes to carry him through to the next week…it’ll be “who’s next?”

    This…is…American Idol. How would you like that manipulation: Rare, Medium Rare, or Well Done?

  • OhSnap

    Also, thanks for the ideas on Dannyfans…you are giving me some good ideas. Gokeystadores is my favorite.

  • calimari

    Well, I’ve liked Danny just because I think he has a nice voice, nice look, and he seems very kind – just a good guy. But I’m not INVESTED in him, nor do I expect him to win. However, if there is one thing to turn me off of someone in a heartbeat, it’s religion. I’ve very little tolerance for religion or religious people who wear it on their sleeve. Mandisa bothered me for that reason, although I think she’s a very nice person with an incredible voice. But that’s just me. I also do not like or trust evangelical churches – I think they are the sleaziest of the bunch in general, although I haven’t looked at the video of Danny’s. I’m glad if he gets something out of his faith to help him w/ the cards life has dealt him. That said, just sing to win. I’ve no need for a message.
    I’ve only ever voted for Taylor Hicks and I tossed a few votes to Castro last year. Otherwise I just watch & enjoy. I doubt I’ll be voting this year at all.

  • rockvixen

    I’m a fan of Danny (not a hardcore one)..but if they show his church, his wife and his faith and how he aspires to be an inspiration to us all in an episode during the top 12…I am kicking him to the curb.

  • judy

    ohsnap, nothing wrong with being a Christian singer, but I don’t think that is what he wants. Didn’t he say that in an interview? I think he’s going for bigger stuff than that – maybe building his church into a megachurch?

    And I completely agree – THIS is who Danny is. But we might not agree on what that means exactly.

  • Lera

    Wait, how did politicsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ enter into this? I know a lot of religious people who belong to both political parties! You all need to chill out. It has nothing to do with religion but rather how DANNY has used a DEAD WIFE to advance his own agenda. That agenda is secondary! Some people are really trying to deflect the real issue I see and that is DANNY pimping a dead wife for his advantage PERIOD.

  • mandalay

    fan club name:

    How about “the dead wive’s club”?

  • justshootme

    I couldn’t stand him before and all this new church-y stuff is only making it worse. I’m just sooooo tiiiiired of all the attention he’s getting. Bottom line to me is his talent is mediocre, his backstory is a turn-off, and the pimping is OTT.

    I do not think he should get some sort of special dispensation from blog-hate because he’s a widower. This is a reality show/ singing competition. I get to judge him. I think that’s sort of the point of the whole thing, isn’t it? And just because someone is a widower, or is all church-y, doesn’t mean he’s not an a**hole. And in my opinion, he’s an a**hole.

  • jpfan

    Lots of Idol contestants have come from strong Christian backgrounds. Too many to mention but I’ll list Daughtry, Mandisa, Chris Sligh, Phil Stacey, dueling piano Matt (this season) and tons of others. As a non Christian, I’ll say Danny’s church seems like a scam but what do I know.

    Actually, it’s not the dead wife or the church that will do Danny in. It’s that creepy arrogant/angry vibe he’s got going that will doom him on the show.

  • Niall

    Danny won’t go the Christian music route because it’s not lucrative enough for him. Greed will trump his much ballyhooed “convictions.” There, I said it.

  • tinydcfan

    mandalay – sooo wrong, but so hilarious! :lol_tb: Am I going to hell b/c I just LOL’d? :unsure_tb:

    ETA: And more power to you for saying it, Niall

  • judy

    mandalay, I guess I’m going with you. so bad, but so funny.

  • CFIdolsfan

    Danny wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t go the Christian music route because ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not lucrative enough for him. Greed will trump his much ballyhooed à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“convictions.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  There, I said it.

    I have not had a chance to check out all the pages of comments, so I will reply to this most recent one. I am from a church that believes pretty much the same as Danny, and we teach that you let money be your slave and not your master. When you put God first, we learn, He will see to it that you get blessed, and it will not only be with money. So I am pretty sure Danny has the right notives. Only God knows his heart, but he has fellow Christians Mandisa, Phil Stacey, and Chris Sligh as a example of Christians who sought to please their God before themselves and others. Chris told the story of having turned down a lucrative contract because he felt that he should go the way of Christian music. Phil has done a country album, but is now concentrating on Christian. So money was not a motive here. With the little I know still about Danny, whatever genre of music he decides to pursue, I am sure he will look to glorify God and not to get rich.

  • CFIdolsfan

    MJ is the only reason you put Danny stuff on here is for you and other people to bash him? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just asking. Cus if it is I wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be reading Danny stuff on here anymore. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s to much.

    Agreed. I managed to read a bit of the front page and I am coming very close to quitting this blog completely. But I remember what my Bible has taught me: Jesus said that people will hate those that believe in Him. Danny has done nothing to anyone except be himself and he is getting slapped around and maligned.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Chris told the story of having turned down a lucrative contract because he felt that he should go the way of Christian music.

    I adore Chris, but he knew Christian music was his best shot at a solid career and he went there. He’s already talking about releasing one of the songs on his album to mainstream radio.

    Phil has done a country album, but is now concentrating on Christian. So money was not a motive here.

    Phil’s country album bombed. Christian music was the next obvious avenue. I won’t be surprised if he succeeds there.

    With the little I know still about Danny, whatever genre of music he decides to pursue, I am sure he will look to glorify God and not to get rich.

    I think the key here is that you know little about Danny. It still remains to be seen what he’ll do with his Idol fame.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    BTW, if you are new here, you MUST read my guidelines before posting.

    http://mjsbigblog.com/?page_id=1172

    I have this thing about posters sticking to the topic. Making judgements on your fellow posters opinons is never the topic. Thank you.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Agreed. I managed to read a bit of the front page and I am coming very close to quitting this blog completely. But I remember what my Bible has taught me: Jesus said that people will hate those that believe in Him. Danny has done nothing to anyone except be himself and he is getting slapped around and maligned.

    That’s up to you. Maybe you have never read my guidelines:

    http://mjsbigblog.com/?page_id=1172

    I suggest you read them. It may help you make the decision of whether you want to stay here or not.

    Jesus said that people will hate those that believe in Him.

    Nobody here is hating on Danny because he’s a Christian.

    I have to wonder how this thread would be going if the subject was Anoop Desai and his Hindu temple.

  • Niall

    But I remember what my Bible has taught me: Jesus said that people will hate those that believe in Him.

    I haven’t seen a single person here who hates Danny Gokey for believing in God. In fact, many of us have admitted that we too go to church.

    I dislike Danny Gokey for being tasteless and opportunistic.

  • justshootme

    Danny has done nothing to anyone except be himself and he is getting slapped around and maligned.

    And what if I feel the vibe he gives off while “being himself” is that of a total a**hole?

    This being season 8 and all, I think anybody auditioning should know by now that “getting slapped around and maligned” is a huge possibility.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Also bitching about other posters and complaining about the thread? Also OFF TOPIC. If you don’t like what you are reading. STOP READING IT. Don’t hijack the thread with your complaints.

  • SpenserJ

    I dislike Danny Gokey for being tasteless and opportunistic.

    I’ll give a big word to that, and I’ll add that I’m also not fond of the big ego or the fakity fake reactions to everything.

  • St.Lucia

    Agreed. I managed to read a bit of the front page and I am coming very close to quitting this blog completely. But I remember what my Bible has taught me: Jesus said that people will hate those that believe in Him. Danny has done nothing to anyone except be himself and he is getting slapped around and maligned.

    I have no problem with Danny being Christian, I too am Christian. I don’t hate Danny either. Hate is a strong word. I don’t HATE anyone I don’t personally know. In fact I don’t think I actually HATE anyone. I can hate the actions he has taken, and the way he is portraying himself on a television show.

    And how do you know that Danny is personally being himself? Unless you know Danny, I don’t think any of us are entitled to make that assumption. I don’t know if this is how “real life Danny would act” but this is how Danny has chosen to portray himself on a TV show that’s turning into his own personal religious crusade to me and I’ve had enough.

    As far as I’m concerned, whatever he puts out on TV is fair game.

  • aly

    Everyone has an opinion, and mine is that with all these comments
    the saddest and unmentioned part is that a young woman died.
    Her parents had to bury their daughter, and their lives will never
    ever be the same. I can’t imagine how they feel. I hope AI and
    Danny stop this, and let her memory live on in their hearts and
    not on a crappy show.

  • abbysee

    I have no problem with Danny being a Christian. Just because I am not makes no difference to me. I am accustomed to being in the minority. I was one of the people who tried to give Danny’s church affiliation the benefit of the doubt, that was before they began to whore themselves out to American Idol. To me that speaks volumes. And before Tuesday night’s nauseating coronation. By Wednesday I was expecting stigmata to appear. I was pretty much done by then.

    Like I said I have nothing to say about any of them attending church, but you can even see the tenor of both of the churches we are discussing. I think I have almost no problem with Michael Saver’s church. I have more of a bone to pick with him being in the top 12 undeservedly, but because I did not vote, I can’t complain. My guy didn’t have a shot, so it was pretty much par for the course.

    I have to wonder how this thread would be going if the subject was Anoop Desai and his Hindu temple.

    I am curious about this as well. I would have no problem with it. Now if he started sermonizing and dug up a relative to take advantage of I might have a bone to pick with him then. Until that happens I say worship in the edifice of your choice. Just don’t be pissed off if I don’t want to join you.

  • folk

    now, my aunt was a nun….and i did my catholic school and ccd…and now i am unitarian…i have run the gamut of religions i explored…i kept an open mind…i learned a lot…and i respect pretty much everyone’s opinion.

    but i am just curious….because in all my studies of various religions…i had yet to conme across one that had a style ministry,…or told women they had to wear makeup…or that the pastor HAD to have an escalade…

    like i said…i have been to a LOT of various demoninations…have seens religion practised in so many ways…but this…this greedy profiteering shit…

    it is that…shit.

  • folk

    and about being hindu …wow. fantastic. more people should learn. and get this…i would lay a million dollars on the line to say you will not find anoops religion trying to make money hand over fist.

  • folk

    oh and interesting point…where are the poor woman’s parents? they loved here a lot longer thsan danny. and yet they are not on tv.

  • CFIdolsfan

    like i saidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦i have been to a LOT of various demoninationsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦have seens religion practised in so many waysà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦but thisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦this greedy profiteering shità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    it is thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦shit.

    Sorry to disagree with you, but I belong to a church like Danny’s, and although I cannot speak for his church personally, I can speak for mine, and several others, and say that they are misunderstood. Many believe that Christians are supposed to be poor and such, when some of the most God-fearing men in the Bible were rich, and teachings on money get automatically branded as being profiteering. Not all are about greed, just like not all investors are crooks, to use a very current situation. Again, go Danny and your church. You have my support and that of many.

    oh and interesting pointà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦where are the poor womanà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s parents? they loved here a lot longer thsan danny. and yet they are not on tv.

    As far as Sophia’s parents, it was probably AI’s call to not feature them or talk about them.

  • weareallinnocent

    ^^^And then there’s the Bible story of the moneychangers in the church and how angry Jesus got about their presence and exploitation, misusing the church, trying to profit from the church and religion — the only time Jesus openly displayed anger, as the story goes. At least that’s how the story was portrayed to me as I was raised in the church. Oddly, seems to me that story gets very little air time anymore.

  • JudyOhio

    Many, many, MANY non-Idol celebrities that are big-name have roots in their church. That’s often where they are first exposed to music. That is often where they first tried out their chops by singing in choirs, singing a solo, or participating in a church production (Christmas cantatas, various musical programs, etc.). So it’s not the current or past religious affiliation or church association that is the problem per se with any of these competitors. I think it’s more about what we perceive by how a person (and their church) represents themselves. For example, consider how Jason (and others) have handled their christianity verses how we are watching Danny handle it. Danny may be able to reign it in some and hopefully he will “see the light”. But, unfortunately, it’s not all up to him. He appears to have an overzealous pastor (and possibly the whole congregation) who have a financial interest in him and no doubt a budding pride issue (as in, our church could grow to the biggest in the land!). I see his church as using him as much as he may be using the church. Danny could be given the benefit of a doubt here and actually feel very dedicated to what he feels is his purpose, but even if he is, his church and his inlaws that showed his wife’s picture will be his undoing if they don’t cease and desist! I may be prejudging his pastor, but I can almost see his pastor counseling him in the background in private to rise to his calling (which would be his pastor’s idea of a calling of course) and putting grandios ideas in Danny’s head, a man who is in a vulnerable state right now. I’m with MJ regarding his pastor and feel that man is about himself and his own ambitions. Snake oil salesman indeed! Danny could be a pawn in the situation. Just saying….

  • Grammie Kari

    You see, that is my major complaint. AI has decided to exploit Danny’s wife’s death. Yet, they chose not to share with the viewing audience the death of a young man’s father just prior to the season’s premiere. Gedeon just misses being in the TOP 12.

    Sharing Danny’s personal story with very few details is fine with me. Being known as a Christian is also fine with me. However, getting his church so much involved in the publicity is wrong. The overload on Sophia’s Foundation is wrong. Danny becomes a walking advertisement. Is this fair to the other contestants?

    TPTB and Danny must accept equal responsibility for the increased debate on this topic. Did Danny really deserve that overwhelming praise from three of the judges? Please do not manipulate this sitaution.

  • JudyOhio

    You’re right about the overwhelming praise Grammie…..I had almost forgotten that.

  • OhSnap

    edit: STOP LECTURING PEOPLE

  • OhSnap

    Sounds to me like Danny needs to hire an agent and put the kibosh on the overuse of his wife, his fame, etcetera.

    I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Does anyone, himself included, ever think he would believe he would become this famous this quickly? Could he have foreseen the judges talking him up and the maelstorm (is that a word?) that followed? The media grabbed onto this media thing and ran with it.

    I really don’t get the criticism on the Whoooooooo thing. It was obvious he was happy he got into the top twelve, and not because he wanted Tat off. Sure he rolled his eyes, as did millions of viewers when Ryan did his “after the commercial” break.

  • OhSnap

    MJ–

    I’m certain this is going to be what you consider OFF TOPIC. So let me first say it was a pleasure posting here because it will likely be my last.

    Complaining about other people’s posts and complaining about the thread is OFF TOPIC, but allowing a free for all on Danny is acceptable? Because I really feel this is what this entire blog is about.

    If appearing on this post and defending Danny is OFF topic or bitching…(and let me add being able to swear on this post is great)…well, then I’ll let myself out.

    Peace.

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    Does anyone, himself included, ever think he would believe he would become this famous this quickly? Could he have foreseen the judges talking him up and the maelstorm (is that a word?) that followed? The media grabbed onto this media thing and ran with it.

    Umm, if you’ve followed AI at all, then the answer is yes. If you try out and don’t do your research, then shame on you. Besides, I don’t think the producers, judges or other media types had anything to do with his relative holding up a picture on national television of his poor deceased wife.

    Complaining about other peopleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s posts and complaining about the thread is OFF TOPIC, but allowing a free for all on Danny is acceptable? Because I really feel this is what this entire blog is about.

    You can’t make anyone feel about Danny the way you do. He put himself in the public eye and is up for discussion. The topic is Danny, not what people think of him. I guess you missed the Oscar thread, the Taylor Hicks thread, etc.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Complaining about other peopleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s posts and complaining about the thread is OFF TOPIC, but allowing a free for all on Danny is acceptable?

    Did you even bother to read my guidelines? When you come visit my house the polite thing would be to know my rules. If you read them you would know the answer to your question is yes…

    Because I really feel this is what this entire blog is about.

    God forbid. My blog is not all about danny

    well, then Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll let myself out.

    Bye! Don’t let the door hit you…etc etc. Have fun at your Gokey fansite or wherever the hell it is you came from.

    Please don’t send your friends here. I’ll probably ban them too.

    Why yes. You are banned.

  • undercooked

    Hi, I’m late to the party, and I may be in the wrong thread, but I have to agree with the poster who said this whole Danny pimping thing is possibly a huge mind F**k by the producers. I think it was SpencerJ who makes me laugh all of the time.

    Do TPTB really want Danny to win because they think he is the most marketable? Or are they setting Danny up for a fall so the true chosen one can be revealed later. But perhaps they know we would be on to them and there would be a double backlash. Where we backlash against the later Chosen One once we realize Danny was set up for the fall.

    It reminds me of the “Battle of Wits Scene” from the Princess Bride. Here’s the link, I’m not sure how to really do it correctly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUee1WvtQZU

    But substitue the words Princess and Poison for “the Chosen One” .

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    Undercooked… hilarious. A great movie and a great analogy. Thanks for the levity. ;-)

    Oh, and SpenserJ makes me laugh a lot too. She pretty much rocks!

    ETA: And Grammie Kari, they didn’t just fail to mention Gedeon’s backstory. Simon went out of his way not to mention his singing, but to make him seem creepy by saying something about his goofy smile. I really hated AI when that happened. I know he didn’t have a chance to win, but still. He could sang.

  • Diana

    These megachurches really are the dark underworld of America. Creepy.

  • thedingoateyobaby

    I have so much to say about this religion thing but most of it would be bleeped out and then id get banned and then id start eating bags of chocolate and then id get fatter than i am and then id get depressed and have to roll myself out the front door so……i’ll just shut the eff up on that subject.

    However, if Gokey attempts to use his church or his religion as this competition progresses it will backfire on him. He MUST know that. I dont need anyone, least of all Danny Gokey, attempting to preach to me in not so subtle ways. I dont watch reality tv to be “saved” or to tell me to have hope and faith or how much god loves me. As my mother would say…of COURSE he loves you, who wouldn’t?! I watch them so that my darker side can come forth and balance out my much too large brighter side.

    TPTB could not have chosen a better more contentious subject as this one to get us focused on and talking about. Kudos to them, this is brilliant.

  • thedingoateyobaby

    And just one more thing, this is the most fun i have had on this blog in a few years. the entertainment level for me while reading through these 4 pages is the best therapy ever. Ive been through a box of tissue from laughing and reading.

    Sitting here on the first of 4 great pages of comments…. with one hand on the keyboard and the other holding a chocoalte covered bong…..well all i know is that mj and her blog are going to heaven and virgins will be coming out of the woodwork. I’ve heard thats how it works.

    I love AI again after a couple of pretty bland, boring seasons (IMO) Im alive again with AI fever.

    I always need a good battle and since i won the political one, my life has been…rather empty.

  • folk

    ahhh dingo…and this week we get us some normund!

  • thedingoateyobaby

    Yeah baby! I love me some Normund though I call him Norman. I cant change now. I cant wait to see how he portrays himself. He has to show some of that talent and be funny as well. Thats a tall order especially on a show like Idol. We’ll see.

  • folk

    for some quick education on the type of church danny attends…take what you learn here and go learn more. fascinating how it reaches a criminal level in a number of instances.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

  • I want pizza

    ^^ Oh wow..just…wow. I hate judging people at a talent show (wasnt that what AI was or am I imagining things again?) for things other than their voice or stage presence but Gokey might just have turned into my most despised AI contestant ever. Im gonna go puke a little bye

    I love AI again after a couple of pretty bland, boring seasons (IMO) Im alive again with AI fever.

    I always need a good battle and since i won the political one, my life has beenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦rather empty.

    I’ll take the “bland” season 7 over this sleazy controversy crapfest any day, yeah there wasnt any weird church and dead wife shennanigans but some of them could you know..sing and they were nice, normal-ish people. Then again, Im old school like that ;)

  • Rootin4DannyJ

    I was there. it was a night of Praise & Worship. THERE WAS NO PREACHING!! When they say Danny preached, they meant he was exorting those to move forward their circumstance. It was a great word of encouragement that hit many people’s heart. It wasn’t a sermon or anything like that. People make all these assumptions and talk junk without knowing. sad, sad.