American Idol: Secret Plot to Replace Mariah Carey with Jennifer Lopez (Report) (UPDATED)

AMERICAN IDOL:` L-R: Keith Urban, Nicki Minaj, Randy Jackson and Maria Carey. CR: Michael Becker / FOX. Copyright: FOX.

UPDATE: According to Deadline, the idea was only considered breifly:

Here’s what I’ve learned. There was an idea at Fox about a month ago to replace new judge Mariah Carey with her predecessor Jennifer Lopez midway through the live shows. I hear Lopez was approached and was very interested. (She has a new single coming out.) However, I hear there was concern among some parties involved that the move could appear desperate and further damage the Idol brand. It is unclear how much in the loop on the replacement plot Carey and her team were but I hear they didn’t have to resort to legal action as the idea of a midstream judge switcheroo went away after a brief discussion.

This sounds more realistic. Briefly discussed–cooler heads prevailed Via Deadline

UPDATE: According to E Online, Idol considered replacing BOTH Mariah and Nicki:

American Idol is trying to figure that out. A source tells E! News exclusively that the show’s producers considered replacing both Mariah Carey and Nicki Minaj midseason. “They considered everything,” explains the source. “Including replacing just one and replacing both.”

Do Idol producers want Nicki or not?

And while show producers “love Nicki,” her seat at the panel next season isn’t guaranteed. “She isn’t likely to go,” says a source. “But it depends on who else gets the other spots.”

IDK about these fishy reports… Also, Mariah supposedly is not happy with the prospect of Jlo returning for the finale. via E News

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Insiders also say a search already has begun to replace Mariah, probably Nicki Minaj and possibly the entire judge’s panel for next season (Hm. Randy Jackson is going to outlast the cockroaches, so I wouldn’t bet on that.) Via The Hollywood Reporter

First of all..remember Jlo?  She’s the judge who refused to criticize ANYBODY. Instead, she talked about goosies, and gave too many contestants standing ovations. It was like she was afraid viewers would stop buying her records or go to her movies if she was honest.

Mariah at least attempts to offer some constructive feedback, even if it takes her 1000 words to deliver it. How would replacing Mariah with freaking Jlo solve what’s ailing Idol this year?  It’s too late. Stick a fork in Season 12 it’s done! That ship sailed weeks ago.

Anyway, I can’t believe FOX executives would think they could just FIRE Mariah when they signed a contract with her. Besides, swapping out a judge in the middle of a season would look absolutely DESPERATE.  And like I said, solve nothing.  This rumor is NOT passing the smell test, if I’m being honest.

Of course, a FOX spokesperson denied the rumors: “This is just another ridiculous Idol judge rumor, likely started by talks of Jennifer performing on the finale,” Nigel Lythgoe  told THR: “I have not been included in any conversation regarding replacing Mariah with Jen this season.”

Sources say Fox reality chief Mike Darnell and Fremantle’s Cecile Frot-Coutaz have been especially concerned about the Idol ratings trajectory, and they hoped that a surprise shake-up on the judges’ panel would help. Carey, a multiplatinum and Grammy-winning singer, is perhaps Idol‘s most pedigreed judge ever. But despite her eight-figure salary, she has seemed passive and disengaged in her comments on the show, failing to generate the kind of fan following that Lopez had when she judged.

Really? Jlo had a fan following? WHERE?

Oh. And this:

By contrast, Minaj has turned into Idol’s sharp-tongued firebrand, especially seated next to more vanilla judge Keith Urban and stalwart Randy Jackson. Nonetheless, internal Fox research is said to show that Minaj is not a hit with some of the show’s audience. “The core viewer is a midwestern, Southern, older woman who is threatened by Nicki’s aggressiveness,” says one knowledgeable source.

Uhm. I could have spared FOX some expensive research. The minute news hit that Nicki was joining the panel, that core audience made their displeasure known, loud and clear, all over the internets. FOX HAD to have known, from the start, that they’d lose members of the Idol faithful if they hired Nicki. My guess is that they didn’t care. With the Idol audience aging every season, FOX was probably hoping Nicki would bring in younger viewers. And actually, she did–the average age decreased a couple of years this season–but not enough to cover overall ratings losses.

Besides, in order to snag that younger demo, executives needed to make far reaching changes. Allowing the contestants to sing songs from the 21st century would have been a start. That’s an exaggeration, but themes like “The Songs of Bacharach and David” and cleared song lists full of Celine Dion and Motown can’t be reeling in the younguns.

Since producers backed off their plan to shake up the show mid-season, attention is said to have already turned to next season. A source who has been approached as a possible judge replacement tells THR that Idol producers are looking for “not necessarily a star” to join the show. That might include a music professional with strong credentials.

THIS! Fans have been suggesting a label executive join the panel since Simon Cowell left. I think it’s pretty clear at this point (Hello Mariah, Hello Britney) that throwing money at a big star is a waste, unless that star clicks with viewers. The Voice has proved it’s the chemistry between the judges that makes for a good panel, not how famous they are.

But the changes CAN’T stop with the judges panel. Really, Idol needs a once over from top to bottom. The money they save on hiring expensive judges should be spent instead on clearing relevant songs for the Idols to sing. Cast the show with a diverse and talented group of contestants. Tweak the formula, but not too much so that the show becomes unrecognizable.

Please fix Idol TBTB. Despite it’s problems, it’s still my favorite singing show. I truly believe that it’s down, but not out.

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  • abbysee

    Not a secret plot, but a sekrit plot! Lol. Seriously?

  • lollamape

    Can we just replace Nicki with anybody???

  • matt89

    I think they should go all out and bring in Pink. But Nicki has to go

  • blackberryharvest

    I don’t really see how she was harder on the female contestants. She critiqued all the boys last year at one point also-even Joshua.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1638805698 Jason Scott

    YES. I want Pink so bad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1638805698 Jason Scott

    Actually no. Most of the time Jlo heaped praise on everyone…except for Haley in S10…I’m still pissed about that whole thing.

  • blackberryharvest

    Say what you want about the Season 10 and 11 panel, but at least they had some chemistry. Some of their critiques didn’t make sense and they could be kinda annoying with the standing Os, but they could spot talent and got along.

  • matt89

    I think she could be that edgy judge, except people wouldn’t hate her

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    Doesn’t Pink have something against singing competition shows?

  • blackberryharvest

    How about a panel of Keith, Lady Gaga, and Justin Timberlake? I can dream…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    Lady Gaga would be just like nicki minaj.

  • matt89

    that’d be good…..but that’d be expensive

  • blackberryharvest

    JLo praised Haley almost every week.

  • matt89

    Gaga could be a good fit though

  • taylor

    Gaga’s an excellent musician, song-writer, singer and performer. She would have some good advice for the contestants.
    She wouldn’t do it though, not when she can make the amount of money she makes by touring all over the world.

  • blackberryharvest

    Lady Gaga is more respected…but would probably be polarizing. A lot of people hated Nicki because she couldn’t sing.

  • matt89

    And also she’s been out of the public eye for a little while, so I think it would be good for her

  • taylor

    I love Pink, but that’s not going to happen. She is currently at the height of her career and Idol couldn’t afford her anyways.

  • girlygirl

    I can’t see Nicki and J-Lo getting along any better than Nicki and Mariah. And the ratings weren;t good with J-Lo as a judge to begin with.

    They need to bring in younger judges. No one over, say, 35 (even though I love Keith). And they should all be current artists, writers or producers.

    But more important than the judges, they need to fix the format. No more tired theme weeks. No songs older than 20 years old. Stop with the blatant manipulation trying to get the type/gender winner TPTB want. Etc etc

  • taylor

    JLo picked Haley apart like her life depended on it. Everyone else got a two sentence critique that could be summed up with “I love you, your beautiful spirit and you gave me goosies”. Haley would get the full on critique. If JLo had done that with everyone, she would have been a better judge.

  • blackberryharvest

    She stood up for Haley a lot. She only really critiqued her twice(Top 5 and Top 4) and that was part of the whole “redemption” script for the 2nd performance.

  • abbysee

    I didn’t mind Jen last season but I think Mariah is a better judge. If she can get to the point and toughen up it could be amazing. A little glitter tossing cray and some solid vocal knowledge.

  • Niall

    I don’t buy it. Mariah has a contract. At most (and I don’t even believe this) someone at FOX is thinking about bringing JLo back next year.

    Jennifer was a judge who had potential but lapsed into deliberate obliviousness and stock phrases like “goosies.” I felt like she would have made a better mentor behind the scenes versus a week to week judge.

    As I said in the other thread about Mariah. It takes her a long time to get there, but some of her advice and critiques have been spot on. She might not be cut out to be a judge though, and would also be better working as a mentor. I’d love to see HER in the studio with some of the contestants, instead of Jimmy Iovine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004875903894 Katie Smith

    I am wondering, if they were in “negotiations” does that mean Jennifer actually was seriously considering coming back? She always said she quit because she didn’t have time anymore.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    It’s good to hear that talks are happening to clean house for next year. I hope they find better judges for Season 13. I hope they keep Keith tho. It should be a 3 judges panel next year… Cool people to have for the panel would be Keith Urban, Dr. Luke (if you don’t know who he is, look him up), Norah Jones, Natalie Maines of Dixie Chick, Nicole Sherzinger, Nick Carter, Jamie Foxx and Eminem. All of them I think could create a interesting 3 judges panel. From these choices, I would have Dr. Luke, Norah Jones and Eminem or Dr. Luke, Nicole Sherzinger, and Keith Urban.

  • Larc

    I think the #1 requirement for judges should be that they are highly qualified to handle the job they are hired to do. All the other stuff is no more than window dressing if they can’t do that effectively, IMO.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    Yeah people that didn’t like minaj would not like gaga’s way of dressing too. plus isn’t she still recovering from her hip surgery? plus she has another album coming out later so i don’t think she will have time to do idol.

  • blackberryharvest

    Nicole Sherzinger

    No thanks lol.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    Why not? She got the experience… She was on Sing-Off, The XFactor US (runner up judge) and the XFactor UK (winning judge)

  • LeoCS

    Nicole was actually a terrific judge on XF-UK. She seems to act well when she isn’t close to Simon Cowell.

  • Larc

    It’s funny how the right amount of money creates unbelievable amounts of time.

  • lollamape

    Idol really need to find their Shakira 2.0.. She’s genuine, smart and not an annoying diva. Please FOX, find her!

  • blackberryharvest

    I just thought she was annoying on The X Factor US. I never saw her on the other shows though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    She was phenomenal on the XFUK. I didnt like her that much on the US version tho. Might have been due to Simon

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004875903894 Katie Smith

    Melinda Doolittle should be a judge. She does really good on Michael Slezak’s Idoloonies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    I agree. Plus I heard that she is not coming back to the Uk version and wants to work on promoting her music in the US. Idol could do that for her.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    I agree! Hey since Duets was canceled, maybe Jennifer Nettles? She has a great personality!

  • http://www.facebook.com/lauren.dennis.75 Lauren Dennis

    The Voice is much different than Idol. Idol forces the judges and even encourages them to be a bit more confrontational with contestants

  • blackberryharvest

    I would still love Shania Twain to join. Keep Keith, and they could have instant chemistry already. I wish it was her who joined the panel in Season 9 instead of Ellen. The third panelist could be a music industry person.

    http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/544834_633836306632557_1652211353_n.jpg

  • elliegrll

    I don’t think that’s why people hate Nicki.

  • LeoCS

    Well, the ratings weren’t good since the beginning but they seem to be putting fire on the house to kill the rat. Since the end of S11 it’s one stupid decision after another. They’ll end up with ratings worse than CW.

  • elliegrll

    I don’t think that they did anything on their own. Everything that happened with them was scripted, which is probably why the ratings dropped over 20% in comparison to season 10. People knew what to expect from Jennifer and Steven, so there was no point in tuning in.

    That’s pretty much what viewers realized about this season too, even with Nicki on the panel it’s pretty much just AI as usual. There are no contestants, songs, arrangements, or production elements to appeal to younger or new viewers.

  • elliegrll

    Jennifer was very fair to the female contestants, and even came out and said that she wanted a woman to win.

  • blackberryharvest

    That’s a bit of an exaggeration. They are down, but they aren’t THAT bad.

  • elliegrll

    Just to put things in perspective, AI was the third and sixth ranked highest show last week among the key demo, and fifth and seventh in terms of total viewers out of all of the broadcast shows on television. It has also been the reason why Fox went from last place in the demo during the first half of the season to second. The ratings aren’t amazing like they used to be, but things are not as dire as you imply.

  • bahogbugan_simj

    her group sucks but yeah she’s actually a decent mentor and more LOLzy in UK X-Factor

  • Venus Hooper

    Pink was considered for this current season and turned it down! I remember reading a couple of her quotes on the subject, said something along the lines the general public would end up hating her for her honestly and she doesn’t do karaoke! But yeah she’s great and of course current.

    Nicki is far from the type of music I love and listen too but I have to be honest, she truly is a descent judge and listen to her closely, she does more honestly and guidance than the others and is rarely mean (she makes sense to me in her feedback). Simon was much more brutal with less guidance than Nicki is, it’s just her genre, most of us older “rockers” don’t, can’t, won’t and whatever refuse and hate her type of music (hell it’s not even music to me!), I believe she never got a fair start because of that.

    Ever think they could just dump Mimi and go back to a panel of three (3)? Paula would get a huge welcome back as well if need be, she may be a bit dippy but she is/was popular as a judge, was caring and helped find some really good singers! Half the price of a Mimi, J-Lo or Brit Brit and as Nigel has stated many times the higher above’s screwed up when they let her go for wanting more and in raise on contract renewal. True true think about it, a better piece of furniture than the Dawg Randy, more popular and the ratings weren’t a worry. Wouldn’t surprise me if Fox and Idol don’t approach her about coming back.

    Oh and the Katy Perry mentioned awhile back on another thread, forget about that idea. I have a near perfect photo memory and remember this.

    Season 9 Florida try-outs, that was the year they had guest judges sitting in (while they got Ellen’s contract and calendar together), it was during the time she was working on that album of her’s that got so huge, I remember her belting out a few lines during one of the auditions, I think in comparison with “bikini girl” (remember her? lol). Anyways, these guest audition judges were booked for a week at a time, two (2) show appearances, Katy only did one, she was later quoted as saying something along the lines of “she could never be a judge on Idol or a show of this type.” Had to do with being mean and feeling horrible about it, like most of the others and why some fail so miserably.

    Idol and Fox need some players that are younger and current to the market today. As droll, boring and horrid it may be to a lot of us that is what is needed first. Here’s a name that was tossed about last year when they were on the adventure of replacing that horendous J.Lo, and I’m surprised I’m suggesting this one because her music is still a far cry from what I listen to and love, Miley Cirrus, she’s young, she’s modern, she’s Disney trained, been around a long time and is loved and adored by her audience’s and fan’s! My great neice loved her on that Disney show way back when and still loves her today, in her music and movies. My great neice is 12 going on 13 now, the tweenies that push up the numbers, in viewing and sales in singles via iTunes!

    JMO

  • jms

    I don’t buy it.

    Mariah has been a better judge than J. Lo, even with the rambling and the Nicki drama.

  • NoCalGirl

    MJ…Loved your comments & agree with you almost entirely except I if I had to choose between Mariah & JLo to judge, JLo would get my vote. As for new judges, Pink would be my dream judge but doubt it will ever happen! Justin Timberlake & Mary J Blige would be 2 others that I think would make excellent judges. I hope Idol can fix it’s problems in the off-season because it will always hold a special place in my heart.

  • Larc

    I agree. Idol may as well have done without judges last year. Although they could be entertaining, especially Steven, they weren’t very beneficial to the competition.

  • zaclona77

    Well, I’m just throwing it out there… Dear TPTB, gimme Bradley Cooper, Keith Urban, Robert Downey jr. and Justin Timberlake and I will tune in each week religiously, buy whatever crap you deem to dish out and if you send them on tour, I’ll find a way to be at each stop in the VIP seats. Thank you!

  • http://twitter.com/dam744 Damien Roberts

    I have to defend Nicki, no she’s not loved by many, but very few people are indifferent with her…which I think is good given the people we’ve had the last few seasons. I would get rid of Mariah and bring back Nicki, Keith and Randy next year. I think the format works better with three judges anyways…if they had to have a fourth judge I’d almost say reach out to Kara, I know people hated her but at least she was interesting.

  • ohreli

    Mariah COULD be a great judge. Please someone just sit down with her and teach her how to finish her piece. Its a common insecurity—I know people like her—where the person feels insecure about whether their message is clear. So they keep talking hoping that it will get clearer, but it just accomplishes the opposite. She just needs to feel confident in her point, say it, and then stop. She can be trained. It will be a shame to lose her, because she does have valuable insights to contribute.

  • ohreli

    I like Nicki and I like Mariah. I like that they are so different. I dont care if they interact with each other or dont interact, I am interested in what they both have to say (and yes Mariah needs to learn to be more succinct). I dont think either of them is the cause of falling ratings. Idol is bound to get boring to people after so many years, but for lots of people it represents the zenith of singing competitions—but if the potential of these singers is hindered by boring themes and boring songlists, then no amount of “judges chemistry” is going to save Idol.

  • HKfan

    I wouldn’t mind Keith staying, but the others can all go…Mariah takes too long to say very little, it bugs me the way she doesn’t look at anyone that she’s talking to either, she good be good maybe with practise. Nicki is just not a good fit for Idol.She critiques the looks and clothes too much, says weird things that don’t mean anything, praises those she likes, has nothing good to say to those she doesn’t regardless of how well they’ve sung, calls people stupid names and does silly accents. She always looks bored, and the gum chewing is annoying…Randy is just randy, would like to see him gone, somehow think he will be around till the end.
    They definitely need to pick better talent, clear more songs, and have more modern themes.
    would not like to see Jlo or Steven Tyler come back.
    I hope the show can come back as it is my favourite singing show, but it hasn’t been on my ‘must watch’ list for the last 3 seasons. I’ve actually stopped watching towards the end in season 10 and 11, and it looks like its heading that way for season 12 too….

  • http://twitter.com/Nittcgd Cheryl G-D

    At keast Nicki is honest and truly judges. JL seemed to just gush over them and praise mediocre too. She is my least favorite judge ever on Idol. Bring back Paula, put Jimmy on panel and keep Keith. Let Randy be a mentor. I just want Jimmy to judge as he says it like he sees it and does not mibce words

  • http://twitter.com/Nittcgd Cheryl G-D

    Jimmy Iovine for Judge!!!

  • CB40

    Next year’s judging panel should be the Idol producers, they make all the decisions anyway, so make them show their faces.

  • Incipit

    “Next year’s judging panel should be the Idol producers, they make all the decisions anyway, so make them show their faces.”

    Geeze, that would be amusing, CB40 – watch them tell a contestant that they picked the wrong song, when the producers gave them the song to start with! Would the hamster call them out – would there be fireworks?

    Would that be a whole different show?

    Not to mention, those song choices at the Finale? They would have to justify their picks with a straight face! I always wanted to hear the spin the anonymous “Producers” would have put on choosing “Hit ’em Up” for Syesha, for instance. But there was never any accountability for that DoubleDecker Bus.

    Oh well. Pleasant daydream. Heh.

  • http://twitter.com/Nincomboo Tito Melito

    yea we all need to hear more about goosies

  • jpfan2

    Not a bad idea. At least they realize the judges are horrible and the show is coming back. With all the contestants coming back it seemed like the show was done. JLo seemed more into it than the current crew.
    Next year they should hire judges who don’t demand tons of $. Then they can clear new songs.

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    So, I guess this confirms a 13th season, LOL.

  • irockhard

    That would be great but good luck with that PTB. Shakira is truly a gem.

  • http://twitter.com/Prkan_708 Marin Kuhari?

    Here’s what I would do. Get rid of the useless celebrity judges who aren’t worth the money (looking at you, Mariah, and god forbid, JLo again) – and do a three person judging panel consisting of music professionals. Even that sleezeball Iovine would serve the purpose. But shake things up like SYTYCD did and bring in All-Stars as mentors and rotate them between contestants each week. Adam Lambert, Kelly Clarkson, Kris Allen, David Cook, Melinda Doolittle, Allison Iraheta, etc. Clear more current songs and let magic happen. Maybe the ratings won’t skyrocket (correction – not maybe, surely), but at least they might stabilize. I’ve missed mentors this year. Even the sessions with Jimmy.

    The show needs a drastic change and rotating celebrity judges simply won’t do the trick anymore. They’re in desperate mode right now and it’s time to take a big risk and see what happens.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    MJ, this season DOES have diversity — Devin and Laz were Latinos. Two black boys. Two black girls. How more diverse do you get?
    I wish the Fox execs would let Nigel do his job and not butt in and tell him who to hire. As for Jlo, I liked her contrary to others. She had class, style, and she blended in with the table. She looked like she was having fun. As for her judging, MOST singer/entertainers don’t want to harshly criticize, so maybe the judge’s table shouldn’t contain singer/entertainers. Those singers have been there and been rejected and know how it feels. I don’t want to tune into a show and everybody lay harsh criticism at a singer.
    And AI used to have “star” mentors (Usher, William, Diana Ross, Fergie, et al) that made the show interesting. NOW, they don’t have “mentors” — but TV does and everybody praises that show — which is entertainment only. They might as well just say it’s an entertainment show and it’s there to promote the coaches more than the contestants.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    But, she’s a COACH she’s not a judge.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    That’s because the PUBLIC wants the judges to be confrontational and critical. I don’t tune in to see somebody slash the heart out of somebody else.

  • usedtobelucy

    Yep. I think Mariah’s been a horrible judge. But, still, 10 times better than JLo in the average episode. … Plus, we haven’t been subjected to watching dumb videos of her and boy-toys gyrating while she pretends she’s a singer. just sayin.

    I kinda think this rumor’s crap, though, anyway.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    “As I said in the other thread about Mariah. It takes her a long time to get there, but some of her advice and critiques have been spot on. She might not be cut out to be a judge though, and would also be better working as a mentor”

    Mariah, I believe was a mentor on Idol in the past….somebody check me!
    Also, what you said about her taking longer is correct….but here’s the problem…Mariah is NOT comfortable being on TV. Do you notice that? She doesn’t know where to look? She pets her hair, she diddles with her cell phone. JLO at least knew where and what the cameras were doing and was ready each time.
    As for Nicki, she was a last-minute gimmick. She could possibly come back. The show has done wonders for her career:
    1) it intro’d her to a new audience – like her or not
    2) she changed her style (better hair and clothes)
    3) she’s invited to late night talk
    4) she’s getting endorsement deals

    NICKI NEEDS IDOL MORE THAN IDOL NEEDS HER.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    “said something along the lines the general public would end up hating her for her honestly and she doesn’t do karaoke! But yeah she’s great and of course current.”

    ^^
    Well, there you go. a lot of artists don’t want to “judge”, it’s easier to “coach” or mentor. When you judge you say things the public doesn’t like. Remember the boos JLo got and she looked hurt and bewildered when she criticized?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Honestly, I don’t think Mariah WANTS to come back next season. I think it’s going to be a mutual decision.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    That’s not a bad idea….Nigel judges his dance show, why not the singing show?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Jimmy doesn’t have the time…honest, he’s got a record company to run. He’s “old” at 82, but Berry Gordy would be a good judge.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    There are too many judges at 4. Even AGT has 4, and we shall see how that works out. 4 is Too many.

  • http://twitter.com/avrohama aj rabin

    BRING BACK PAULA!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    She broke her foot, she’s not touring. Those high heels can kill. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    AI tried 4 judges before and it failed. They tried 2 women on the 4 panel and it failed.
    This is what they SHOULDA done: Keep Paula and Randy and have a rotating 3rd judge. People like comfort food and keeping the same judges is like comfort food.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    She also tried to get Latinos in the top 12.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Also — the reason Nicki is on the panel is not only for the Youth Demo, but also the “urban” demo. AI has lost a lot of their black viewers….when it first started Black viewers were reported to be a large segment.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I kinda think this rumor’s crap, though, anyway.”

    Totally.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lynn.resto Lynn Di Resto

    Bring Paula back!!! NOT JENNIFER

  • Pippygirl

    At least this year I have been able to get through the judges’ critiques, which I couldn’t do with JLo and Steven. Help Mariah learn to lessen the ramblings (which I think she actually has started to do-anyone been timing her, lol) and she would be the best judge Idol has ever had. It’s been a pleasure to hear feedback on the singing from such a credible source.

    I like Nicki also and wouldn’t mind if she stayed too. Much of her feedback is very good. I think she is the judge that says what much of the audience is thinking.

    I do think a 4 judge panel is too many. Get rid of Randy and I’m good. He’s the one I fast forward through all the time. Or they could just get a Randy doll with a pull string that spouts, “You can sing the phonebook dawg”, “You’re in it to win it!” etc.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Well if you bring back Paula she’s going to face the same wrath that the other female judges face. “too nice”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Recommendation: Put the show on hiatus for a year…make the public “miss it badly” and then reboot and bring back.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    MJ wrote:

    Anyway, I can’t believe FOX executives would think they could just FIRE Mariah when they signed a contract with her. Besides, swapping out a judge in the middle of a season would look absolutely DESPERATE. And like I said, solve nothing. This rumor is NOT passing the smell test, if I’m being honest.

    Totally agree. This rumor is ridiculous.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Hmmm….Jlo also said that when Steven didn’t come back that sealed the deal for her, she wouldn’t come back. I also believe Jlo wanted a bump up in pay….which didn’t help negotiations much. But she would no. way. in hell….sit next to Nicki. JLO is the “queen” and would want to be the ONLY female at the table.
    I’m surprised that Mariah didn’t walk out when they announced Nicki was signed. I would have liked to be a fly on the wall when that announcement was made…:)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    It must be very disheartening for the contestants to know that they are upstaged by all this drama about and by the judges. I mean, the show is supposed to be about the contestants?
    I say that also about The Voice, because that show seems setup ONLY to promote the celeb coaches and not to promote the careers of the singers.

  • vdawg

    Idol would have been fine if they would not have hired Nicki. Randy, Keith and Mariah would have worked out fine. I think Jlo’s folks are putting this out for publicity. She left. I hope they keep Keith if he wants to come back.

  • LeoCS

    I didn’t say they are down as CW. I said they’re making mistake after mistake and walking through the path of an even bigger loss.

    Of course overall it was an exaggeration: the show would be canceled way before they get to this point.

  • http://twitter.com/happylittlefish Amy Beth

    FGS, if they wanted JLo back they could just have had a theme that suited her and made her the guest mentor for that week.

  • LeoCS

    I didn’t say it’s incredibly bad. I said they’re doing their homework to make it be as soon as possible.

  • http://www.amadcow2.com amadcow2

    I didn’t think that there was enough love for JLo to even think that this rumor merited credibility. They won’t do anything mid season, or they would be admitting defeat. It would be like pulling back Johnny Keyser and saying; ‘No, we ‘effed up and didn’t have an affable white boy in the top 4, so you can come back now’.

    Honestly, this judging panel has little chemistry and needs to be changed. I think Nikki Manaj is great, but she isn’t really likable. Keith is okay… baby. Randy is like a cockroach after the nuclear holocaust, we can’t get rid of him. Mariah is just part of the wrong mix, but when you stand her up next to JLo, there really isn’t a whole lot of difference in them (other than Mariah’s credibility as a performer). The key point is synergy and JLo wouldn’t provide synergy, especially at this point.

    There’s the cheap fix and the real fix. The cheap fix would tank the entire panel for season 13, except of course Randy, and then add Jimmy Iovene and bring back Paula. Jimmy is already a known quantity and Paula would bring a lot of nostalgia (until she opens her mouth). The real fix would find a panel that had true synergy and relevance. You can’t deny that the appeal of ‘The Voice’ is the synergy between the judges. TPTB would have to find interesting and relevant people dedicated to revamping the show. My eclectic mix would be something like this: Brian Eno (legend, producer, original member Roxy Music), Jordan Sparks (or another Idol alum), and Justin Timberlake (or some other name acceptable to middle America).

  • http://twitter.com/bluinjewin Landon Cox

    Autotune?

  • http://twitter.com/bluinjewin Landon Cox

    Musically this group is not diverse. They’re mostly R&B balladeers with the exception of Kree, Jannell, and Angie. There’s not one rocker or a real pop presence though Amber is trying to distance herself from Candice’s jazzier side

  • http://twitter.com/bluinjewin Landon Cox

    Gaga gave excellent advice on top 4 week season 10.

    And let’s not dance around the fact that people hate Nicki because she’s a person of color and is a perceived “Other.” The vitriol that was spewed at her even during the audition rounds was ridiculous.

  • hellomusicgirl

    Yes, Mariah was a mentor during Season 7. For Mariah Carey Week ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Honestly, this judging panel has little chemistry and needs to be changed.

    ^^
    Even Nigel agrees with you about the chemistry.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501482875 Kesia Monteith

    It’s even worse that even some people of colour themselves never gave her a chance. :/

  • Incipit

    Mariah’s Mentor segments in Season 7 were nice little sound bites – the power of editing. But they can’t edit the Live shows to make her less long-winded as they could the auditions and quarter finals.

    Still, anyone who worked with her on Idol, either time – had to have been aware that this was an issue – yet it takes almost to the end of the season before she gets a hint from TPTB, or even a clue? What were they waiting for?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501482875 Kesia Monteith

    Nick Carter? LOL Now THAT’S random! :D

  • http://twitter.com/avrohama aj rabin

    So then bring back Kara. She wasn’t always nice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501482875 Kesia Monteith

    Well, Nicki isn’t the answer to get a black audience as it seems a lot of them are not her biggest fans either.

    ETA: Plus, a lot of the black viewers left long time ago. You have no idea how so much of them said they stopped watching since Fantasia won. LOL

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I think that the “type” of Idol viewer/voter transcends race or ethnic background, which would account for that.

  • disqus_2adgNO0dZU

    Idol has a long history of making up and releasing rumors in order to increase their ratings. They would be idiots to get rid of Mrs. Nick Cannon.
    The problem this year is the contestants. As a group, the contestants can sing better than pretty much any of the more recent groups, but they are all middle of the road personalities. I can’t tell you a single interesting thing about any of them. And not a single one of them is rebelling against the establishment — there is no Megan Joy, Haley Reinhart, JPL, etc.
    In other words the contestants are all in lockstep and dull as dishwasher. On the other hand three out of four of the women still standing will probably go far in the music business.
    Yes, that’s right Nigel – I miss the drama.

  • http://twitter.com/PattiHum Pat H

    Writers and producers will not bring in an audience unless it is some one maybe as cool as Pharrell. LA Reid is a record exec and he is Awful. They are more full of them self than the stars ( Jimmy.) Nicki is young and she turned away viewers. They just need judges with chemistry who are willing to judge. Shouldn’t be that complicated. I have seen 100s of good suggestions here and on twitter. Oh, maybe the best change would be new producers. Nigel is too stuck in his ways.

  • bridgette12

    Totally agree, Mariah has sucked alone with the rest of the panel, but JLo was a total waste of money. Of all of the judges who was suppose to be singers, she was the worst of the bunch. It seem like every couples of week there was a JLo lip sync performance promoting some craptastic song of hers. She classifies herself as a singer and to have the nerve to judge anyone else ability to sing is laughable. When was the last time she ever song live?

  • bridgette12

    I think GAGA would make it about her. You need real people, not dressed characters who’s whole world revolve around their image.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Judging panel to include Lythgoe and Iovine…

    Lythgoe can represent the POV of the audience members who are vocal about “no good music since I was a teenager in 1968!”

    Iovine can represent the POV of the audience members who want current sounds.

    The cat fights and hair-pulling will be epic.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    I’ve said this before, in other threads, but it bears repeating. Sure we need a panel of judges who have chemistry and some goodhearted, snarky interaction, *and* they need not be superstars. In fact a mix of judges who are performers and behind-the-scenes types seem optimal for Idol. This current panel had potential on paper but clearly at least two of them don’t like each other — a lot — and it’s bringing the whole thing down. That being said, no matter how great Idol’s panel is, they are never going to interact and entertain the viewing audience the way The Voice judges do because *they* are not supposed to! They are a part of the show — and an important part, obviously — but the stars of the show are the contestants and that’s also where Idol failed this season by casting half the competition to fail and being super obvious about it! Leaving aside the horrible canned band arrangements and the stale themes — not necessarily the dated songs but the repetitive, stale, uncreative themes — there’s a lot of things that need to be tweaked beyond just the judges. But, remember, we already have an Idol rip-off, which is judge-focused and involves a competition amongst them. That show’s called The X-Factor and look how well that’s doing! (NOT!)

  • Cookiebr7

    I just don’t understand why it is so important to spend these huge sums for star judges who don’t know how to critique anything. Being an artist, no matter how successful, and being able to analyze others’ performances, do not necessarily go hand in hand. And why ask a black rapper who doesnt sing to critique a skill they don’t have? I would prefer lesser stars who know how to give constructive criticism that is helpful to contestants. And please, modernize the song catalog! Agree totally with MJs take on the article.

  • http://twitter.com/bluinjewin Landon Cox

    MJ the tag says Marcus Canty not Mariah Carey

  • bridgette12

    People of color are not obligated to give her a pass just because of her skin color or race. If you act like a idiot, you should be called out for being one, no matter what.

  • chillj

    I don’t think the JLo – Stephen Tyler season had much judge chemistry either; they rarely spoke to each other. Idol is getting killed by the judges on The voice whose on air interaction and good nature makes the Idol judges look even worse than usual. I don’t see Mariah as any particular problem, except as an unusually silly and affected person. No big deal, she has always been that way. Nicki is a little something else; while I appreciate her candor, she occasionally crosses the line. Idol would do well to select judges by fun personality, not fan base. If they enjoy each other, the fans will enjoy them: The Voice demonstrates that.

  • bridgette12

    MJ made some greats points, you don’t need to strip this show down until you lose what made it special, you just need to tweak the show. Don’t spend mega bucks on judges and certainly don’t wait until the last minute to get them and then expect a group of strangers to have instant chemistry. Get some people with personalities and intelligence, also with something unique to bring to the table. Certainly update the clearance list of songs, because it’s silly that other shows can feature current songs and Idol can’t. I don’t know what happened to the vocal coaches and stylist on this show, but bring them back. Last but not least, replace the producers.This show has lost it’s flow and excitement. It become boring, tedious and has become too predictable and the contestants have lost their voice in the ability to have some say so in what and how they perform.

  • usedtobelucy

    I wonder if she was secretly referring to the goose the gig was giving to *her* career. heh

    I suppose I shouldn’t resent that on behalf of the contestants. But I kind of do.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Huh? Minaj had enormous endorsement deals before Idol, including the big Pepsi one that initially caused consternation in hiring her. (Also Adidas and MAC cosmetics.)

    She’d also been on talk shows before becoming an Idol judge, including SNL (as well as performing at the Grammy Awards).

    A quick check of her Wikipedia page reveals all this plus photos of Minaj in elegant outfits, reminding us that her style has always been all over the map, depending on occasion.

    The preponderance of the evidence is not that Minaj owes much (if anything) to appearing on Idol.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Heh, so much crap.

    It’s hard to believe, but it’s true: someone like Nicki Minaj is a better judge than Mariah Carey. Mariah is (or used to be) a masterclass vocalist and is a legend, but Nicki is better at getting her thoughts across in timely manner and that matters a lot more on live TV. So I don’t expect Mariah to return for another season. She simply isn’t cut out for this.

    Reading the article, I find that part about middle aged midwestern and Southern women who don’t like Nicki just sad. So, what’s the plan for next season? 4 boring white, bland and vanilla judges that won’t upset the core demo? Great receipt for a disaster.

    Randy needs to go and NO to bringing Paula back. The original judges were played out and boring by season 7. Sometimes you have to know when a good dish is near it’s expiration date. Idol didn’t.

    Keith is just boring. Nicki is the only one interesting on that panel.

    Idol needs younger judges. Not necessary the biggest stars, but not unknowns either. They need to know something about music and music business, but what’s the most important, they need to be good TV personalities.

    That’s just the judges tho. All other aspects of the show also need to be revamped completely, but I don’t see it happening.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I would say this year was R&B, Country and Groban-lites. Angie was really the only one who was different, then Candice when she started breaking out the jazzier side. There was not an obvious pop person and Angie was the closest to rock as it was going to get. Which is probably why Candice and Angie may end up our final 2.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Two country singers? No thanks. One is one too many.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    “But the changes CAN’T stop with the judges panel. Really, Idol needs a once over from top to bottom. The money they save on hiring expensive judges should be spent instead on clearing relevant songs for the Idols to sing. Cast the show with a diverse and talented group of contestants. Tweak the formula, but not too much so that the show becomes unrecognizable.”

    That’s all that needs to be said, really. This show is not like The Voice (which is not an insult to The Voice BTW) where the judges carry the show. This is a format where *the contestants* carry the show. The judges need to be 1. good spotters of talent, 2. entertaining through the audition phase and 3. good foils for our heroes – the kids. Which means they have to provide an array of useful feedback and at least one of them should be hard to please while another is supportive. That’s really it.

    I think they should go back to the 1 star, 1 musician/producer, 1 music exec format, and make sure there is some eye candy on the panel male or female. LOL

    But really, stop casting for types, sing fresher songs (even older songs would work if they are DIFFERENT older songs from the ones we always hear) and get creative with the themes. I don’t think they should lose themes… it would remove the challenge and just listening to 12 weeks of “sing songs in your comfort zone” is boring IMO. Just don’t use the same 10 themes you’ve been using since forever.

    And for goodness sake, get out of these kids’ way! Let them sink or swim on their own.

    This is still the best format IMO. Trust your format TPTB and that makes stars when you let it breathe.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I agree. I think people have no idea how much Nicki is hated, even in hip hop circles. I find her entertaining as a judge but she’s polarizing practically everywhere. They would have been better off getting Mary J Blige if that’s what they were after.

  • Montavilla

    The people in position to tell Mariah what to do (the network suits) are not the same as the people who would have worked with her on a day-to-day basis (the producers and editors). Maybe Nigel gets to give Mariah notes. But probably the only ones she would feel a need to listen to are those from the network.

  • dabney c

    I agree completely. Idol’s strength (besides Seacrest) has always been its contestant-focused approach. I don’t care about the judges as long as they don’t get in the way. This season’s biggest mistake was selecting the guys we ended up with in an effort to strong-arm a girl win. The second mistake was having 4 judges, and the third was allowing two of them to cause tension in the panel, making the whole judging segment uncomfortable to watch.

    Simon Cowell and Jimmy Iovine are good examples of non-performer industry people who bring something of value to the critiques. I’d love for them to find another person like that for next year’s panel. We’ve learned that the huge paychecks for big stars does not pay off, so I hope they don’t try to court another Mariah or Britney. If they want a massive star to sit at the judge’s table, then why not rotate guest judges like they did in the past? That will at least keep things interesting.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    So agree. And, one thing of nuance I might add. During the audition phase, not only should the judges be good spotters of talent, but they also need to be a bit like hosts of a talk show which always as an array of “talent” cycling through, some really good, some “bad,” some characters, and some emotionally touching. They need to not only judge the talent, but interact with it and chat them up in clever ways. In fact, Ryan is actually good at that because it’s an emcee/host type quality.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    I don’t agree about the age cut off at all. First of all, you lose a lot of very experienced people, but most of all, I personally don’t find most younger judges to be all that witty to listen to. A few are, like Katy Perry, as I recall correctly. But so many of them are really inarticulate. They may be able to voice an opinion but their ability to articulate it in a cocktail party/talk show way is usually missing. I’d prefer witty people of any age.

  • http://www.facebook.com/barbara.swanson1 Barbara Swanson

    There is a lot of chat about ‘is it Mariah/is it Niki’ who is worse. To ME, it is the entire panel that simply doesn’t have chemistry that is the real problem. I cannot BELIEVE that anyone would be foolish enough to hire, at multiple millions, 4 people to work together and then hire them WITHOUT even putting them together for a day to make sure they could play nice! That is beyond my understanding.
    Idol needs to look at
    1. Limiting votes
    2. Creating a panel based on different abilities to impart important wisdom re each contestant’s abilities, and based on their chemistry.
    In my dreams, Idol also has an ‘original song’ for the Topt 5, where each contestant is allowed to sing a brand new song, that will be theirs. Each week, one of their songs is this one, and it is tweaked based on judge feedback. The final 2 each have a perfected original song to sing.

  • Montavilla

    I enjoy Nigel as a dancing judge, but that’s because it’s his expertise. He knows what he’s saying when he talk about physical movement.

    But he isn’t an expert in vocal technique. He said once in an interview that it isn’t possible to give a technical vocal critique — which is nonsense, but it shows the extent of what he doesn’t know about the subject.

    Get someone who can speak to technique on the panel. How about Debra Byrd? Or Peggy Blu? I think Melinda Doolittle would be a great judge, but I like her better where she is.

    Or maybe Jimmy should be there. They’ve sort of been trying him out this year in live critique. Maybe they’re trying to ease him into a judge’s spot. It would certainly make the judges more important if we know that the guy who has to work with the kids is up there critiquing them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matteo-Rodrigo/1340430528 Matteo Rodrigo

    Blame FOX – theyre the ones who thought you can throw big money at a star and saw failure with Britney And Mariah. (I would love to get rid of Randy – he hasnt added anything in years since he says the same phrases each season). Keith has been surprisingly good with actual musical critiques and really seems to care and be invested in the contestants. It may not be standard, but I think they need to screen test the panel with critiques after watching past contestant videos. The one thing thats been brilliant on The Voice has been the chemistry. I watched for the first time this week and was really impressed; and Mark Burnett has proven this is a TV show and couldnt care less about the winners future. And the contestants all seem just happy to be there. Lets be real, Shakira wasnt really as big a star or at the height of her career. I bet she didnt cost $15-18 mill and has been wonderful. Youre right, Idol needs to shake up the format, come up with some format changes and ditch the ancient theme weeks, esp since t hey do the same themes almost every other week. Does the Voice even have themes? But Idol is also 12 years old and the old kid on the block and its hard to sustain. Plus Uncle Nigel has to stop trying to manipulate the show. Maybe change the ages although Idol does seem synonymous with late teen early 20s singers. Time will tell ; next season could be its last as I think its Ryans last year of his contract and it depends on how much money theyll throw at him. But let the judging guessing begin. As for Mariahs contract, no one knows what it says. Id think Fox could dump her and still pay her off and buy her out but it depends what it says. I have always wondered why Mariahs team didnt insert a clause saying she would be the only female judge if thats what they thought and wer upset when Nicki was hired. If she had that clause, she could have stopped it and could have had a 3 judge panel . Personally, Ive found Nicki a breath of fresh air, and love the critiques and eye rolls…but irealize its not most peoples cup of tea. Everyone says Queen Latifah wouldve been a great rapper judge, but shes doing a talk show (where hopefully shell finally come out)…Idol used to be about the singers…Intersting to see with the lower ratings if this years winner or top4 will break out

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matteo-Rodrigo/1340430528 Matteo Rodrigo

    and they have good chemistry and would be really cheap – but since its a good idea theyll never do it. Why would that be riskier than

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matteo-Rodrigo/1340430528 Matteo Rodrigo

    Everyone is scripted to some extent. Weve heard many times before that the judges watch the rehearsals and Im sure their ‘teams’ if not producers/writers help them with general ideas some times

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    “I find that part about middle aged midwestern and Southern women who don’t like Nicki just sad. So, what’s the plan for next season? 4 boring white, bland and vanilla judges that won’t upset the core demo? ”

    Well not white necessarily, but everything else pretty much. LOL

    They’ll try to find someone who will pull in younger viewers without scaring the “core viewer” by being too outrageous or aggressive. Which in producer-speak will mean bland and nice.

    Unless they get a Kelly Clarkson, who could probably get away with having an opinion sometimes because she’s a “straight talking Texan”. Heh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    She didn’t host SNL; she was a performer right? She is sitting with Leno, et al talk show hosts more than she has in the past.
    Idol has been a boost for her and she knows it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matteo-Rodrigo/1340430528 Matteo Rodrigo

    Dont want to say this but have always wondered from the day the judges were announced. Was 3 black judges on a 4 judge panel too much for some to handle. Who knows?

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Great point. I agree.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    If you search Youtube, you’ll discover that Minaj was on multiple talk shows before she was hired as an Idol judge. It’s actually a chore to sort through to figure out how many, as there’s a ton of pre-Idol video.

    This fact isn’t surprising, given that she had hit songs and multiple award nominations.

  • http://www.amadcow2.com amadcow2

    The only way they pull this off would be to dump Kieth and Randy and pull in Paula and JLo for the final episodes in honor of an all female final for Idol. Yes, that would be a gimmick, but would be a step in the right direction and pave the way for a major shake up next season. Also, the fact that The Voice is on Monday/Tuesday is probably more of a problem than people would like to admit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Laura-Corn/100001659368831 Laura Corn

    The judges just one of the probls this year. Manipulation
    Of contestants by not allowing any credible males on top ten and stupid theme weeks make this season a perfect dud. Add stories like this one and show becoming a laughing stock.

  • blackberryharvest

    Sometimes I feel like the Voice panel has “forced” chemistry-sometimes they laugh at jokes that aren’t even funny. Almost like a forced laugh.

  • KaiChen

    How is fair-skinned Mariah black?

    Seriously, her mother is Irish and her father was only half-black.

  • blackberryharvest

    They are performing some current songs tonight and songs of 2013 next week.

  • http://twitter.com/PattiHum Pat H

    Ya, but those segments are edited to practically nothing!

  • chillj

    I agree sometimes they look like they are trying too hard. I thought that last night. But it still beats not speaking to fellow workers – Stephen and Jlo used to fascinate me.

  • Larc

    It’s a little hard to understand how people who are evidently highly qualified to put shows such as Idol together can make such obviously stupid mistakes. It’s more as if they’ve never done anything like this before and willynilly grabbed at anything they thought could possibly work work without even bothering to think it through first.

  • http://www.facebook.com/trippn.cwy Trippn Cwy

    Didn’t Mike Darnell say in a previous interview that money was not the problem in getting songs cleared?

  • Larc

    When people say money is not the problem, it usually means money is the problem. With a few exceptions, I don’t believe for a second that those controlling songs have such a hate on for Idol that they won’t release them if the money is there.

  • mjsbigblog

    I’m NOT talking about racial diversity. I’m talking about musical diversity. The casting this season was sh*t. Period.

  • Tigerone123

    and got fired

  • windmills

    MJ your whole post on this is a thing of beauty. You summed up the needed fixes for the show beautifully, and your analysis on this rumor is spot on too, IMO.

    It’s common when things aren’t going well for discontented people within an apparatus to start leaking to media outlets and pointing fingers when they do. IMO that’s where the THR story is coming from: some internal leak about something that was probably nothing more than contingency planning in case things between Mariah and Nicki got really bad and one or both was ready to walk off. Not for a second do I think the producers/network were actually going to deliberately switch judges midseason. I wouldn’t be shocked if Uncle Nigel were the leak because he’s been known to leak, and because I thought earlier tweets from him and TMZ leaks made it clear he loves Jennifer Lopez, wasn’t a big Mariah Carey fan, and likes Nicki Minaj. He may have been leaking what the network was planning, and if he was, then I’m sure he had his own reasons for doing that.

    If Mariah could just get to the point (she usually has one), she’d be a good judge IMO. As it is though I’m not against her not being brought back, especially because she is so expensive.

    I think Keith is an articulate anchor to the judges panel and I would still like to see him return. I understand why some find him boring but I am just so relieved to have an articulate artist on the panel for the 1st time in the show’s history, I don’t want to him to go. Too, he’s hot and I’m shallow.

  • taylor

    Mariah came out unequivocally and stated, “I’m mixed. That’s what it is,” in an interview with Vibe in 1998. “I’m not in denial of either of them [her parents]. But anybody who’s mixed knows they’re of the black race.”

    Nevertheless, questions about Carey’s ethnicity and genealogy refused to go away. 10 years later, on US talk show Lopez Tonight, she was asked yet again what she was — to which she replied, “In this country, black.”

  • taylor

    They have real chemistry. It’s something that people pick up on for a reason, its there. There was a “what you don’t see” review from a week ago that stated that Blake and Adam have a real live Bromance going on, that what you see on screen is reflecting what is really happening when the cameras aren’t rolling.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754136041 Jason Gorny

    Kinda like Demi Lovato? lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

    I used to think she was Latina.

    Did a quick search just now and found, “Her paternal Venezuelan grandfather’s name was Francisco Nuñez. He changed his last name Nuñez to Carey after moving to New York City; he hoped an American name would help him make a good life in the US. He took the name Carey from his biological father.”

  • taylor

    Three of the four judges are “people of color”. Usher and Cee Lo don’t get the hate that Nicki gets. Viewer’s are disliking Nicki as a person, not the color of her skin.

  • http://www.randrambles.com Rand

    I just want to say… J-LO is the worst.

  • LeahKittyS

    I love the way you describe the contestants as “heroes” and suggest that the judges should be their “foils.” I totally agree, and I think that’s how it was in seasons past. That relationship is one of the driving points of my stories.

  • blackberryharvest

    Its easy to be “fake friends.” Just look at Adam Levine and Christina Aguilera. They fought off screen, but they still pretended to be friends and act like they were interested in what each other were saying(even though they probably wanted to really roll their eyes).

  • taylor

    Gaga had major surgery on her hip, due to an condition that probably has to do with having Lupus. Now, she is working on her next album while doing rehabilitation. She will want to get back out there as soon as possible and wouldn’t want to be tied down to Idol for months.
    My guess is a new album is coming this holiday season. She will be promoting the hell out of it for months and then going back on tour. Gaga doesn’t have the time for Idol and they don’t have enough money to keep her from touring.

  • blackberryharvest

    Yeah like when one of the coaches made a joke one night that wasn’t even that funny, Blake had this forced laugh going on where he clapped his hands.

  • Reflects On Life

    It’s the ol’ “one-drop rule”, a important part of USA’s early history, which continues to define our perception of race to this day.

  • taylor

    They made up after that season and are now friends and respectful of each other. Christina calls the three guys her brothers and Adam has gone on record several times taking up for her. Blake and Adam aren’t “fake friends”. They are having a great time together when the cameras are rolling and when they are not.
    The coaches also respect each other as people and professionals. It comes through on the show and also in interviews. As much as you would like them to be like the judges on AI this year, it isn’t happening. The coaches on The Voice have a great chemistry, on and off camera, and viewers are enjoying their interactions. The same isn’t true for the judges on AI.

  • http://twitter.com/Miztig Miz

    I don’t believe the rumors being reported by E! (isn’t that Ryan’s puppy?) or THR. I also don’t believe that Nicki brought in a younger audience (what? 45 year olds instead of 50+). If any of the judges did, I’d put my bet on Keith for that honor.

    Bringing back JLo would be ridiculous. She’s pretty, but that’s about it.

  • http://twitter.com/Miztig Miz

    I agree that Mariah’s problem is that she can’t get to her point and make it succinctly. I’m one of those people who has such a tendency to ramble when I speak that I’m super self-conscious about it and tend to not say anything. :)

  • http://twitter.com/Miztig Miz

    I’d love for Melinda to do it. I don’t know that she would though.

  • http://www.etsy.com/shop/AdorablyHooked Gwen

    I think Melinda would be an amazing mentor and judge. They should limit the judge’s table to two actual celebrities, a music executive, and then someone of Melinda’s caliber, who would be able to help them with the technicality of polishing their vocals, taking care of their voices, etc.

    I wouldn’t mind Harry Connick, Jr., myself.

    Judges can make or break a show.

  • deshae78

    I was very skeptical about Nicki as a judge at first. But now I think she’s doing great. She really cares about what’s going on, and that stuff can’t be faked. Nicki is passionate & funny & brings a great energy to the panel. Mariah is okay, not that great. She can deliver some good critiques, but it takes her so long that I usually skip her part of the judging. Randy is overall doing better this year but I’m all for replacing him. He is unreliable as a judge & most of what he says is b.s. Keith is doing okay but he needs to amp it up & deliver honest critiques without being too nice or opaque.
    As for J. Lo, hell no. The two years with J.Lo Steven & Randy were a complete snoozefest. Honestly imo the worst Idol yeas. I really didn’t care for most of the contestants & on top of that you had complete & utter b.s. to listen to with the judges. You’d think that Randy would of stepped up his game, but no, nothing from him either. I am still resentful over that & want Randy replaced. There was just NOTHING to like about that judging panel. Compared to the last two years, I am enjoying this year of Idol immensely.
    My dream panel would be Nicki, Keith, Adam Lambert & someone from the industry. Adam has the perfect personality to be great on Idol, & a music professional is a much needed addition. That would be a diverse panel that included different perspectives: A country music star who’s a little sweet, a pop music star with a ton of sass, a former contestant who is great behind the camera & also has spunk, fashion style, personality, & music know-how & an industry professional to offer that critical perspective on the future potential of each contestant. So we would have a sweet judge, 2 sassy & funny judges, one offering the unique perspective of a former contestant (and who would also click really well with Nicki), and an industry/professional opinion.

  • ohreli

    Your blog message was very clear and to-the-point! No rambling there! :-)

  • ohreli

    I know it’s not going to happen…but I wouldnt object to getting rid of Randy. Never before has his utter uselessness on the panel been so apparent! (Okay he did make Lazaro cry, that was one constructive thing he accomplished….)

  • Reflects On Life

    I have to agree. In fact, I’d keep both Nicki AND Mariah and lose the boys, who are adding nothing critque-wise or chemistry-wise. While I find The Voice entertaining, I tune in and out, I can’t sit through an entire season, just because I don’t want to spend 2 hrs a week just to watch 4 famous singers not singing but “getting along famously”. It’s just like I don’t watch DWTS for the same reason – why watch already-famous people doing something that isn’t their core skill, unless they are doing it for charity? I’d much rather watch SYTYCD or AI, to watch and assist (via voting) unknown hopefuls achieve their dreams. I don’t want acrimony on the judges panel, but I don’t really need my judges to be best buddies, either. Compare it to XF UK. The 4 judge panel don’t show a lively comraderie, but they basically get along, and most of all, each brings sth to the table and does his/her homework. That’s all I want. Anything more is to take away focus from the contestants.

  • http://twitter.com/bluinjewin Landon Cox

    Nicki has a much more dangerous perception. She’s a rapper, she’s scantily clad, she’s foreign. Mariah is practically milquetoast in comparison, and Randy was in Journey, so dawgisms aside he’s vanilla

  • http://twitter.com/Miztig Miz

    I’m a writer, not a speaker :)

  • blackberryharvest

    Christina calls the three guys her brothers

    Maybe now, but back then her and Adam were fake nice to each other when the cameras were rolling.

    They made up after that season and are now friends

    So they say.

    Blake and Adam aren’t “fake friends”.

    I didn’t say that.

    As much as you would like them to be like the judges on AI this year, it isn’t happening.

    I didn’t say that either. I just think their chemistry is forced sometimes. Like laughing at jokes that aren’t funny(fake laughs) and pretending to agree with each other.

  • taylor

    That’s exactly what I said, that Christina and Adam had a falling out at the end of season two, made up before season three and from the beginning of last season were friends and were respectful of each other, both on and off the show.
    Viewers are enjoying the heck out of the “fake chemistry” from the coaches on The Voice. Maybe Idol should hire judges that are really good actors and can produce these “fake friendships, full of fake respect”.

  • taylor

    Usher and Cee Lo? Viewers love them on The Voice. How will you explain their “blackness” away?

  • elliegrll

    It’s so sad that in the idol world that Nicki being a rapper is seen as dangerous. It’s sadder that her behavior, style, etc. is seen as less desirable or more of an issue than Steven Tyler’s.

  • elliegrll

    How would they be fine? The ratings fell over 25% last season. Mariah has shown that she wasn’t going to add any energy to the panel, and Keith was and is just going to appeal to the older female demo, and wasn’t going to bring in any new viewers.

  • bridgette12

    Should have been doing it all season, maybe they wouldn’t be in the ratings cellar right now.

  • abbysee

    You keep floating that, but its unprecedented and gives The Voice and XFactor a chance to siphon off its viewers unchecked and uncontested. Who’s to say the casual fan will return. Finally why would a top ten show do that.

  • http://twitter.com/Lutrell4 Ira

    Quite frankly, Nikki is going through the same crap that Bryant Gumbel went through at NBC twenty freaking years ago. That is as a rapper and a double ethnic, Trinidadian/Black woman, she came into all this guilty until proven innocent. Yet she sits there and proves herself show after show.

  • http://twitter.com/Lutrell4 Ira

    Their roles are different. As mentors, they are in the “Hollywood acceptable” roles as caretaker; knowing their place. Neither is perceived as judging, Nikki is, and that my friend is the difference.

  • blackberryharvest

    It isn’t proven that current songs help the ratings. Just look at The X Factor.

    Besides, the ratings are about what most shows get.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    LOL! Demi was cast by Simon’s rules… young, hot, and can be a foil he can condescend to. Plus she was cheap to hire! It worked out perfectly.

  • http://twitter.com/PattiHum Pat H

    Actually, IDK why anyone is surprised that this season sucks. It was doomed from the beginning. It has the “every 3rd season” curse. Seasons 3, 6, 9 & 12 have all been crappy!

  • julesb2183

    MJ, you are correct :) The idolsphere has been crying get rid of Nicki for a long time. I could tell when they announced the panel something was off about it. BUT JLo wouldn’t agree to work with Nicki. Remember during S11 when Nicki performed? Ryan, with a smile, asked JLo if she thought there was room on the panel for Nicki and Jlo said an emphatic NO. Redoing the judges panel is a good idea, they need to stop looking into huge names and look into people how know their stuff and are articulate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kariann.hart.5 Kariann Hart

    Also, she’s an Idol favorite; isn’t too famous; and would be a lot cheaper than the Divas. Plus, she has knowledge and experience as a contestant. I think she could handle the boos.

  • taylor

    There are an awful lot of excuses being made for Nicki. The problem is Nicki, not the fact that she is black.

  • elliegrll

    I think the problem is that some people in the AI audience aren’t open to seeing someone like Nicki on the panel, even if she is a good judge. Nothing that Nicki has said has been anymore obscene or troublesome than anything that Steven Tyler or Simon Cowell said, in fact, I would say that Nicki has been a lot cleaner than Tyler, and her playful flirting with the female contestants was no where near as creepy as Tyler’s.

  • elliegrll

    That’s pretty sad that someone would see Nicki as dangerous just because she is a rapper. IMO, it’s not Nicki who has the problem in that scenario.

  • MyDailyComment

    I like “The core viewer is a midwestern, Southern, older woman who is threatened by Nicki’s aggressiveness.” Other kind of people dislike/hate Nicki too.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I don’t understand why being a rapper, scantily clad and “foreign” makes Nicki have a “dangerous” perception. I’m assuming that you mean “image”? Has she done anything criminal or assaulted anyone? I just think that she’s a colorful character. lol

  • MyDailyComment

    Jlo is an actress Mariah is not

  • fuzzywuzzy

    ” Too, he’s hot and I’m shallow.”

    Me too! lol

  • taylor

    I don’t either. It’s a bunch of excuses. Who cares if Nicki is from Trinadad? What does that have to do with anything? Most the women on TV are scantliy clad. I’ve seen just as much boobage from Mariah, Christina, JLo and Paula. I’ve seen Kara in a string bikini! lol

  • Myrrna

    Like those who aren’t threatened in the least by her but think she is a talentless, classless clown?

  • Pippygirl

    Actually Mariah played a social worker in that critically acclaimed movie “Precious”. She got excellent reviews for that movie I believe.

  • taylor

    I think people simply don’t like Nicki’s personality, her general attitude and her comments. There is a good possibility that most viewers probably had never seen her perform and many had no idea who she even was.
    She made sexual comments to the male and female contestants, that wasn’t playful flirting.

  • http://twitter.com/PattiHum Pat H

    Really, if Idol producers and FOX bring either of these women back, there is no hope for Idol, because it means the producers have their heads you know where!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kody-Baker/100002601130200 Kody Baker

    Disagree, that whole judging panel was unfair to the female contestants. Phillip, Scotty, and Joshua, could all come out there and do a decent job and get standing ovations and get huge praise. Jessica, Haley, Skylar, and Elise could pour their hearts out and they would get “Oh that was good!” It was bull!

  • blackberryharvest

    Scotty never got a standing O. Meanwhile, all the girls you listed all had a standing O at one point.

  • http://twitter.com/HighTensions Jake W.

    Please no JLO!

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    They are so out of touch with the real situation- no one cares about J-Lo. The audience hates Nikki more than Mariah- Mariah is harmless. What an insult it would be to get rid of her- the woman has more #1 hits than Elvis. The whole thing is just a tragedy.

  • KaiChen

    I’m sorry. Had you not known she’s from a mixed background (25% black, by a father that was out of the picture by the time she was 3); would you say, by her skin complexion, that she is black? Or are you one of those “one drop” racists? She has fair skin, her heritage is 50% white, 25% Latina and 25% black. Maybe in the racist, one drop, US culture that made her feel boxed in as black. But out of her three heritages, white is the predominat. She was also raised by her white mother. That makes her a fair skin mixed-person. Boxed in by racist like you.

    Mariah clearly said, “in this country, black”. Between lines, in this RACIST country, black. Even when your prominient ethinicy (50%) is white, you look white and you were raised by a white mother.

    Bigots.

  • http://www.facebook.com/katie.marbley Katie Marbley

    I don’t think Mariah is the the problem, yes she may ramble,(which comes accross as “cooky” to some) but that’s just her. I think she gives great professional feedback is funny and witty. I feel since Nikki and her unprofessional, aggressive attitude has created a hostile enviornmnet for Mariah. No one would be comfortable around that. I hope they don’t give up on Mariah I love her talent, her divaness, and her attitude and she really has so much to offer to these contestants.

  • taylor

    I’m going by what her mother and Mariah herself have said. Her mother refers to Mariah’s father as a black man. Mariah has been nominated for 20 BET Awards and 14 NAACP Image Awards. Obviously, Mariah isn’t considered to be a white entertainer, or she wouldn’t be eligible for these awards over the years.

    I have no problem with Mariah being Black or of a mixed race, but apparently you do. Calling me a racist or a bigot was completely uncalled for.

  • KaiChen

    It’s because of bigots like you, the one drop crowd, that people like Mariah feel forced to label themselves. What Mariah did, making sure to include “in this country”. And Hale Berry, also mixed and raised by a white mother, also confessed on her Actor’s Studio interview that she, mixed, was pretty much also forced to conform as black. But, you know what. Most viwers don’t know all of Mariah’s declarations. Or her background. They see a fair-skinned woman. Maybe mixed. Definitely not a third black judge. You see that because of one-drop bigotry.

    Ryan Lochte won latino awards. Does he look any less white and blue-eyed?

    And Justin Bieber has won BET awards too, by the way.

  • taylor

    You really need to stop calling me a racist and a bigot. You have no idea what race I am.
    Many people, including those in the Black community, consider Mariah to be Black or of a mixed race. That was all I was ever saying.
    You act like it is a disgrace to be called Black or mixed. Mariah and her mother don’t see it that way and neither do I.

  • KaiChen

    There’s nothing wrong with being black. When you are black! And to imply that people wouldn’t watch
    Idol because Mariah is “black”, that is racist.

  • taylor

    “And to imply that people wouldn’t watch
    Idol because Mariah is “black”, that is racist”
    Which isn’t what I said in any way whatsoever. The OP above is the one who was making judgements on whether the Idol audience was accepting of black judges or not. All I did was bring over some exact quotes from Mariah herself. If you have an issue with the words she said, tweet Mariah and discuss it with her.
    Personally, I don’t care what color she is or what she race she claims to be. I don’t select the artists I enjoy based on the color of their skin or any other classification based on any type of orientation they are born with. Your barking up the wrong tree calling me a racist.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kody-Baker/100002601130200 Kody Baker

    Yeah, they would have to sing their asses off to get A standing ovation. Point is, Scotty could come out there and do a crap job and get praised. Same with Phillip at times. It was sooo annoying. Joshua had several performances that weren’t Standing O worthy. It was just totally unfair, and apparently i’m not the only on that thinks it ;)