Once again, it’s the yearly “THE GIRLS ARE STRONGER AND WILL WIN IDOL THIS YEAR” wishful thinking proclamation from the American Idol judges.

“Girls, do not disappoint the Dawg. I think it’s the girls’ year,” Randy Jackson tells PEOPLE of the new crop of contestants on the reality show, which premieres Wednesday (8 p.m. ET) on Fox.

“There are some talented boys, but I must say, I think the girls could really win one,” he adds. “We haven’t had a girl winner in so long.”

New judge Nicki Minaj agrees that the women contestants really bring their A-game to the show. “The girls are exceptional. I mean, a girl will definitely win this year, I think,” she says.

Minaj finds the ladies are “more seasoned, more poised, more professional” – and some of them combine that maturity with a great voice.

Different judges. Same song. Aren’t they adorable?

It’s hard to predict without sampling the talent, but I think the girls will always have an uphill climb competing on American Idol.

The folks who vote on talent competitions just seem to favor the boys. Hence, the generic country crooner, Tate Stevens, was at the top of the X Factor leaderboard nearly every week.

Sure, Cassadee Pope won The Voice, but if she had gone head to head with her runner up, classic rocker, Terry McCermott (and without the iTunes voting shenanigans) she would have lost.

So, what do you think? Could a girl ever win American Idol again?

Via People

 

 
  • girlygirltoo

    They predicted that a girl would win S10 and S11 as well (different judges, but same old act)

    It would be nice if a girl actually did win…as long as she deserves it:)

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “So, what do you think? Could a girl ever win American Idol again?”

    Only if the judges don’t let any remotely good guys through to the voting rounds. lol I don’t think that Mariah, Nicki and Keith realize what the Idol viewing/voting demographic is.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    LOL! Only if the Top 10 is all girls!! Oh the judges are so naive. Do they not realize the way the voting works? Do they not remember Lauren Alaina?

  • justmefornow

    lol. Good luck with that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000075236182 Diana Adams Tyler

    Idol might get its mojo back if it would let the show progress naturally without all the shennanigans and manipulations.

  • tigervixxxen

    The more they push for a girl the less likely it will happen. They also need to cast interesting artistic females and not edit them so one dimensional. Their image, staging, hair/makeup, song selections, etc are too heavily controlled and thus they come off very one note and kills any uniqueness they have. Sure the audience may be inclined to support the males but the show does absolutely no favors for the women. I highly doubt that will change.

  • mmb
  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X3EBGLZMUFDHE2PTJBT266WO74 Andy

    Another WGWG will win Idol season 12.  Hehehehe

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”Girls, do not disappoint the Dawg. I think it’s the girls’ year,” Randy Jackson tells PEOPLE”

    But he’s saying the same thing since season 9.

    ”So, what do you think? Could a girl ever win American Idol again?”

    Nuh-uh. Not a chance(Though I would love to if ever)

    But I predict for another WGWG winner this year.

  • fantoo1

    I still think it’s possible(although VERY hard). The girl has to be extremely likable, relatable, mega-pimped, super talented, and from the south. Lauren was almost there, but Scotty stood in her way. Out of the last 5 winners, I’m convinced Scotty is the only one who won every week.

  • SullyD

    lol, suuuuuuuure.

  • Emmuzka

    HAHA.. No. 

    I believe it when I see it. American Idol might be a contest to find the best Idol, but the voting audience wants to find the best American.  And that probably isn’t a woman or a member of any minority. 

    I would love to be wrong, though.

  • ali_359921

    If they pushed a girl even in some bad performances  ,, all praising her and all just like PP , she still would not win simply coz she is a GIRL …  WHY ? coz that guy will be the one whose treated badly in comparison .. OMG !!  Hollie made it till top 4 , imagine what a guy would do ?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Are they going to keep all the WGWGs out of the top 20?

  • hayes

    Sorry, not happening.

  • MissMyEm

    Whatever!

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    They only way a girl will win is if ALL of the male contestants are:  not white, not from the South, not Christian, and not even remotely cute.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aleeatorio Alexandre Oliveira

    lol NOT A CHANCE

  • MV007

    And Nigel wonders why people feel he manipulates things.  When the same crap is spewed every season despite it being from different people then you have to look at the common denominator.  And thats Nigel.  I don’t buy into the conspiracy stuff as much as most around here but clearly he gives the judges talking points and influences them greatly.  The only logical question to ask is how far does it go?

  • http://www.facebook.com/aleeatorio Alexandre Oliveira

    I think that if they want a female winner, they need to cut all the male contestants before Hollywood

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1638805698 Jason Scott

    NEVER GONNA HAPPEN, sadly.

    Oh, I miss the early days when the winner could be anyone. Are we seriously gonna go another year without a female winner?

  • windmills

    The more they say this, the more it feels like the same old. I’d rather they say we know how it’s been the last few seasons, we’re eager to see if one of our very talented female contestants can break through that and capture our voters, we’re interested in seeing who captures our voters this year, or something like that. 

  • Larc

    This sounds like an idle Idol prediction.  ;)  If voters are smart, they will make up their own minds and won’t pay much attention to what the judges say.  Any actual control judges have over who wins is gone once it’s all in the hands of voters.  From that point on, they can influence the outcome only if the voters allow them to.

    May the truly best contestant win, male or female.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXISMF77FUTM37Y5Z2CGBNSBQU Aaron

    Tate Stevens wasn’t “cute” at all, yet he completely dominated X Factor and easily won it. 

  • http://twitter.com/cindydesigns Cindy

    Maybe during the auditions they should think about majorly showcasing one amazingly talented female, like they did with Phillip.  

  • usedtobelucy

    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. just sayin.

    Or maybe they say this because they *actually* want a guy to win? Because given how much of the early sales are tv-fan-fave driven, they think a guy is a better bet commercially in the early going? I dunno. They should just shut up about this.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXISMF77FUTM37Y5Z2CGBNSBQU Aaron

    I wonder if Kelly or Carrie would win Idol nowadays. I know for sure Jordin or Fantasia would have no chance of winning. 

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    Tate was white, Christian and from the South.  Bonus points for him singing country. He might not be young but I’m sure plenty of older women found him attractive. 

  • b_james

    Change the voting methods, and MAYBE a girl would have a shot.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXISMF77FUTM37Y5Z2CGBNSBQU Aaron

    Angie Miller, Candice Glover, and Jett Hermano are not winning this season. Angie is a Yankee; Candice and Jett are girls of color who sing r&b.

  • http://twitter.com/ladymctech ladymctech

    Maybe the judges need to try reverse psychology and say that a guy will definitely win this year. But wait, they did that in Season 8 and the top 3 were men. Lost cause until the voting methods are changed, as b james has said.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXISMF77FUTM37Y5Z2CGBNSBQU Aaron

    At least we can’t say it’s the teen girls that control the voting. If that were true, David Archuleta would’ve won and there probably would be a girl winner occasionally. 

  • durbesque

    What are the chances of a female version of Phillip showing up?  Slim to none.  But if one does, I think they would go all out to promote her to the win.

  • Jordana33

    I think the only way a girl can win, is if Idol went back to having no instruments, or if the show pulled the kind of annoying shenanigans that the Voice producers did. The addition of instruments definitely improved the quality and diversity of the performances, which was good, but it also also opened the gates to a lot of average male singers, who could now use their instruments as a crutch. Having a top 3 instead of a top 2  would also help the female contestants as long as there are 2 males in the finale splitting votes (as seen with Melanie on X Factor and Cassadee on The Voice). Furthermore, Nicki Minaj is really into “girl power”, so she might end up being a positive influence on the female contestants. 

  • Anny_nanny

    Don’t know what you do, and I made popcorn.

    There is nothing worse active fools. David A was won by David C, Adam won from Chris, Lee… forgot. Lauren won by Scotty, Joshua and Jessica beat Phillip.
    Well, remember Newton: to every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction. Good luck!

  • MV007

    It might also help if the male finalist doesn’t get the song of the year as a coronation single while the female gets a bizarre ballad that tacitly supports girls who go back to their abusers. 

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    Hey MJ, I have a fun idea.  Let’s have an ultimate Idol winner vote on the blog.  Put up all the winners:  Kelly, Ruben, Fantasia, Carrie, Taylor, Jordin, David, Kris, Lee, Scotty and Phillip. 

    Week 1:  Vote Top 11 poll
    Week 2: Vote Top 10 poll
    Week 3: Vote Top 9 poll

    And so on and so on until we get a winner.  You can even put up a performance from each of them from Idol so fans can listen. Then we can see if someone like Kelly or Carrie would have a shot up against WGWG winners.

  • Larc

    For whatever reason, voters don’t always go for the best singer.  Who knows why they sometimes seem to latch onto certain contestants who clearly aren’t as good as others?  I hate to think it’s based only on gender.  Maybe a lot of tin-eared people are voting now.  ;)

  • hcpoirot

    Idol had to pick only the best to move to the semifinal round. The producer cannot only pick the best girls to SFR and let mediocre guys  into the SF.

    The singing competition are tough now with The Voice nipping their heel and the wacky X factor.

    They cannot choose mediocre male talents just because they want a girl to win. And even with mediocre male singers vs amazing girls singers, its not 100% guarantee a girl will win.

    The Idol voters for male singers in Idol are sure very loyal and powerful.

  • hcpoirot

    But I dont know why idol want a female to win so badly. The last 2 seasons winner, Scotty and P2 doing very well.

    The only reason why the Voice want a girl to win cause the male winners didnot produce any hits and album sales.

    X factor had a girl winner but she didnot do any major shake up in sales.

    I am hoping the judges and producers just try to be fair and did bot do “the girl will win” campaign to the extreme cause it will backfired by the voters.

  • standtotheright

    Having a top 3 instead of a top 2 would also help the female contestants as long as there are 2 males in the finale splitting votes (as seen with Melanie on X Factor and Cassadee on The Voice).

    This is the single biggest change that they could make that would actually have a hope of succeeding. It sharply reduces the ability to power-vote against a contestant.

    It wouldn’t even have to change the season schedule: They could simply make homecoming week a massive media package and a non-voting week. Show the top 3 working with local charities, interacting with local musicians, etc.

    I wouldn’t necessarily say not to allow instruments as long as they cast female contestants who were good instrumentalists and were regularly encouraged to incorporate them. Bowersox knew how to show it to her advantage.

  • Larc

    Maybe they could allow any instrument except a guitar.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    You mean like Crystal? She showed up, but she didn’t win.

    The chances of a white girl with a guitar showing up are good. The chance that she would get through even the first voter rounds, much less win, are slim to none.

  • http://twitter.com/newbornstarr Wally.

    By judging from spoilers, if they cast right for the guys, and the girls, I believe a certain girl will win. 

  • Miz

    Nigel wasn’t there for two years and the judges said the same things they do every year … even if not the same judges.

  • breakdown

    Kelly and Carrie have special voices and popular genres. Fantasia and Jordin were in weak seasons.

  • Mateja Praznik

     Heh, Fantasia and Jordin still wipe the floor with all male winners.

  • MellyPer1692

    Yawn. Same story (lie) different year.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXISMF77FUTM37Y5Z2CGBNSBQU Aaron

    But people like Lee and Phillip barely has an online fanbase. 

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    You have to get someone with the talent, who knows her own mind, like Crystal Bowersox, with the cutsey-ness of Kelly and Carrie. So, strong but soft.

  • Miz

    Over the holidays I saw a rerun of an interview with L.A. Reid. They talked about how with mostly women voting that a female doesn’t have a chance and did he think that was fair.

    He seemed to think that women would vote for the right female. But as for fairness, women are the ones actually buying music, so why shouldn’t they be the ones who determine who wins. 

    So maybe they should try harder to target a male audience with a preference for female singers if they really want a female winner. They sort of have that in the gay community, and I do think they have reached out in that direction obviously.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    It would just be a fun experiment.  It’s not meant to be the final word. I’d say MJs readers are pretty decent cross section of Idol’s viewership.  I’m curious to see how a Kelly or Carrie would do up againt the WGWGs.  WGWG defenders are forever saying that a girl could win if they found the “right” kind of girl.  Well if Kelly and Carrie aren’t the epitome of the successful female idol contestant, I don’t know who else is.

    So let’s put it to the test.  Is the problem with the female contestants or is with the current voter demographic?

  • fantoo1

    Great idea.

  • fantoo1

    Someone like Scotty would have won without the guitar.

  • chillj

    As the judges are, well, the judges, they should not be predicting at this point.  They should never predict, they should listen.

  • girlygirltoo

    Crystal was fairly close to being a female Phillip in terms of musical style, and she didn’t win. Of course she wasn’t from the South, and she was a single mother… :)

  • bridgette12

    You can’t put the cork back in the bottle. Comparing Idols and how successful they are, all comes down to numbers and the ones who have been in the longest most likely have the most sales. In the end, the winner will either be Kelly or Carrie, everyone else don’t have a leg to stand on.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    That’s not the idea.  I’m not suggesting comparing Idol and how successful they are.  I’m suggesting we pretend they’re all Idol contestants again and put it to a weekly public vote on the blog.  Winner vs. Winner. MJ can do one of usual poll daddy polls.

  • chillj

    Doesn’t Randy say a girl win win early in most seasons?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Maybe, maybe not. We will never know. It’s impossible to know for sure what the outcome would have been if instruments would have never been allowed.

  • bridgette12

    Won’t this just lead to more fan wars, my Idol is better than your Idol. Then we will get people pulling stats out of their rear end about their Idol and how he’s so much better than the other guy.  

  • tucker davis

    I still remember the first show last winter…before Phillip finished “Thriller”, my phone rang, and I heard my friend say, “That’s the next American Idol!” I just laughed at her……

  • shell29

    Nope, no female or minority male winner this year or ever again. It’ll be another White guy, with or without a guitar.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     Maybe.  But MJ needs hits to her blog.  This might do it.

  • LeahKittyS

    Ugh. Here we go again with the “battle of the sexes.” To be honest, I think the male bias is mostly the result of an aging voter’s demographic (a widely accepted hypothesis), but I also notice a pattern over the 11 seasons. Here’s my weird way of calling who wins each season. In odd numbered seasons, musical creativity is favored over pure vocal talent. In even numbered seasons, stronger singing is favored over clever arrangement. So it alternates.
    Season 1 doesn’t really count, but Kelly has been able to keep her sound popular over a decade despite the changing trend in pop music, while Justin just flopped.
    In Season 2, both Ruben and Clay were soulful, more powerful vocalists.
    In Season 3, Fantasia’s sound was incredibly distinct, while Diana was more generic.
    In Season 4, the straight-up powerful singer Carrie won against Bo, who took some musical risks (In a Dream, anyone?).
    In Season 5, quirky, dancing, harmonica-playing Taylor won against Katharine, the straight-up singer.
    In Season 6, straight-forward singer Jordin won against beat-boxer Blake.
    In Season 7, daring and clever arranger David Cook won against straight-up singer David Archuleta.
    Season 8 could have gone either way, since both Kris and Adam had their share of unique arrangements. So this is the exception to the pattern. If the power vocal rule still applied, Adam would have won. Maybe the fates were being lazy.
    In Season 9, both Lee and Crystal were known for instruments and different arrangements.
    In Season 10, Scotty and Lauren were both straight-up singers who didn’t take many risks, but Scotty was the stronger of the two (I don’t recall him ever having a rough week vocally, while Lauren made some song choices that revealed vocal weakness.)
    In Season 11, Phillip, who was fond of new arrangements, won against straight up power vocalist Jessica.
    This year is Season 12. So creativity aside, may the best singer win.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Crystal had all the talent, knew her own mind and what she wanted to do and is a fairly good musician. In fact, she was like a female Phillip Phillips because she refused to be molded into something she wasn’t but — for a female — that’s considered abrasive and unappealing. Just imagine a female P2 refusing to go along with Tommy Hilfiger and insisting upon always wearing gray! That would’ve factored against her, just as Crystal’s dreds and need for a little cosmetic dental work factored against her. For a male, you can be slightly scruffy, unpolished, and adamant in your ways and style and that’s considered charming. Not so with females. Somehow you have to get your way without seeming stubborn or over insistent about it, less you be considered a *itch. This is not about American Idol, really. This is how the world still works for most women.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXISMF77FUTM37Y5Z2CGBNSBQU Aaron

    Randy says a girl will win, then come the live shows, he’ll nitpick and throw a lot of the girl contestants under the bus, yet praise mediocre guy performances. 

  • justmefornow

    Was that his audition song, I don’t remember? But I too said the same thing. The minute I saw that guitar and his plaid shirt at the audition, I called it!
    (It’s actually posted by me in a thread from last season here somewhere, I’m just too lazy to find the link. lol)

  • fantoo1

    LMAO probably. Hopefully Nicki will be the anti-Randy.

  • fantoo1

    I’ve got a solution-don’t put any white guys through the voting rounds! I mean, they did completely shut out the black girls last year…

  • iani

    S7 was all about Davids, S8 all about Adam, S9 all about indie feeling-the girl lost because of some bad attitude(back talking to judges for example at the last end of the competition), S10 all about country- the girl lost because of her portrait as the 15 girl in square-dance attire and not as the potential, ready for, the next AI Star; S11 all about “whatever”, TPTB was so puzzled  by Jessica’s early “voting off” that then they let the show go pretty for “doesn’t matter who wins”. They really need a star-girl, somebody to really make a great visual, musical and vocal statement  that media can talk about her positively every week.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXISMF77FUTM37Y5Z2CGBNSBQU Aaron

    I feel like I wouldn’t like the type of girl that can win Idol nowadays, as rare as it may be. I don’t want a goodie-two-shoes, aw shucks, overly humble girl to win Idol. 

  • Jordana33

    But I dont know why idol want a female to win so badly. The last 2 seasons winner, Scotty and P2 doing very well.

    At the core of the issue is the apparent bias against female contestants and the ways in which it can hurt the show, which are many. But aside from that, the female winners have had the best overall tract record, so it’s important that female contestants continue to get their fair chance.

     The Wikipedia link summarizing awards and milestones achieved by Idol alumni, illustrates this very well:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_for_American_Idol_contestants

    Scotty and P2 are doing very well now, but their success still doesn’t compare to the success of the female winners yet;  All four female Idol winners (Jordin, Fantasia, Kelly, Carrie)  have been nominated for  Grammys, whereas only 1/7 male winners have received nominations (Ruben).  3/ 4 female winners have won a Grammy and 3/4 have won AMAs.  JHud has an Oscar, Grammy and a Golden Globe,  Jordin Sparks has starred in a major motion picture and Kat McPhee stars in a popular NBC series.  In contrast, no male Idol (winner or finalist) has ever won a  Grammy or had any major film success, and Daughtry is the only male Idol to win an AMA, I think.  

    Despite the popularity of male contestants with Idol viewers, it doesn’t often predict the general public’s reception so there’s definitely an argument for female winners being better for the show’s franchise. If voter bias is preventing the best or most marketable contestant from winning, then the issue should be addressed.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Once we get into the real world, I don’t think women carry the American Idol uncool stigma in the music industry that men do. Men are supposed to be oh-so-cool and above all this TV show talent contest hokum if they’re going to be pop/rock stars. Females are forgiven for that — just as long as they’re sexy but not threatening.

    In other words, society’s bias flips after the show in favor of the females over the males.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXISMF77FUTM37Y5Z2CGBNSBQU Aaron

    I doubt it. Fantasia and Jordin had good coronation songs that fit their voice perfectly, but didn’t fit the voices of Diana and Blake. Even with that, Fantasia barely won over Diana. 

  • annie12120

    I don’t think guys with dental issues are going to win either… same with the dreads – (note Jason Castro, although he seemed to be the one who gave up by top 5)
    The last five winners had a good strategic plan and stuck to it… and it paid off.
    There were two runners up – Crystal and Adam, who also had great strategic plans…. but narrowly missed the win for “whatever reason”

    The other 3 runners up – Jessica, Lauren and David A were too young, got sucked in by the AI manipulations of the producers and ended up too Karaoke/pagentry.

    I hope they ban all the pageant dresses that are longer than knee length for any of these young girls. Stand and sing by all means, but wear something age appropriate.

    And I like to blame the producers for why girls don’t do better – the songs for the girls tend to fall into the too many ballads, their costumes too costume -y, oh and that stupid wind machine… ugh

  • Valentin432

    This theory doesn’t hold up when you look at international versions of these singing shows.
    On Australian Idol, the first winner Guy Sebastian sold a ton of records and is still recording, same thing of the first ever pop idol winner from the UK Will Young or Jacob Hoggard from Canadian Idol.

    I won’t go further but you can go a long way with that.

    What happened with Kelly and Carrie is extremely rare for tv shows contestants wheter they’re a guy or a girl.
    They’ve been successfull because of their own talent and work ethic but also because they could fit a segment of the recording industry that leads to mainstream success.

  • Mateja Praznik

     “This is my now” was not a good coronation song. It fit Jordin more than Blake, but it wasn’t good for anything.

  • durbesque

    Good analysis.  You point out the different criteria for male and female favor with voters.  Crystal certainly had her liabilities along with her assets.  

    I can’t quite imagine a girl with the perfect balance of factors to beat a huge personality like Phillip or Scotty.  A girl with such gifts would not need American Idol. 

  • SullyD

    Every year people give a justification for “why a female didn’t win the show on X season”, but the truth is: the males had as much (or more) flaws as them.

    S9 all about indie feeling-the girl lost because of some bad
    attitude(back talking to judges for example at the last end of the
    competition)

    But what about Lee’s lack of personality and lack of pitch sense?

    S10 all about country- the girl lost because of her portrait as the 15
    girl in square-dance attire and not as the potential, ready for, the
    next AI Star

    But what about Scotty’s lack of versatility and the fact that he was completely dull at the finale?

    S11 all about “whatever”, TPTB was so puzzled  by Jessica’s early
    “voting off” that then they let the show go pretty for “doesn’t matter
    who wins”.

    This didn’t happen at all. Jessica was thrown under the bus at top 3 and top 2, when Jimmy I. gave her that dreadful song to sing. Heck, she was also bussed in the promos, when the producers labeled her as a “big ol voice” and P2 as an “artist”.

    They really need a star-girl, somebody to really make a great visual,
    musical and vocal statement  that media can talk about her positively
    every week.

    Why this standard is not held for the male winners? Why the girls have to be perfect, but males don’t?
    I’m not saying girls must win every season. S7 and S8 were male dominant, so the results were fair.
    If Kelly and Carrie lost, people still would make an excuse too.
    For Kelly: she doesn’t look like the typical popstar
    For Carrie: She’s too stiff.
    No girl will be perfect enough to win, and even if they are, people would still complain that they are “too polished”, while the males don’t have to deal with this.
    As a woman, this upsets me.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXISMF77FUTM37Y5Z2CGBNSBQU Aaron

    True. But the main point I’m getting at is that those two coronation songs helped Jordin and Fantasia, but hurt Diana and Blake. 

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    But Jason had those big baby blues and a cool laid back attitude. Definitely charming enough to overcome the dreads. As for the dental issue, I don’t know. Some of the guys who’ve managed to become popular on this show were, no way/no how, GQ material. But, by virtue of their personality and/or talent, they managed to appear attractive. It happens in the real world too. Just look at rock stars!

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    I’m not talking about international versions. I’m talking about *American* Idol, the American voting pool, and American culture and society.

  • waitingforthe1

    I wonder if Kelly or Carrie would win Idol nowadays. I know for sure Jordin or Fantasia would have no chance of winning.

    I think Kelly and/or Carrie would have won regardless of the season they were on, even today.  Both girls are fantastic singers, they are both hot enough to bring the guys in but no so hot as to alienate the girls.  Both have great personalities and are relateable and both are very much “america’s sweetheart” types.  Teen girls and their moms love both which is why they are the two most successful idols ever. 

    That’s what they need for a girl to win now…. Kelly or Carrie and that’s why it’s likely to never happen again.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    PP, huge personality? No.

    If all a girl needs on AI to win is a “huge personality” that mirrors P2′s, that won’t be hard to find. Scotty did have a certain charisma (beyond his young age) and he was well spoken at all times, but plenty of girls in the past five years have had the same virtues and that didn’t get them the win. 

    If Adele herself with her cool personality, her amazing voice and her impressive artistic chops walked on the stage of AI today, she would have a hard time beating the white boy toting his guitar on stage. The WGWG would be labeled as and would be seen as more of an artist because he strummed his guitar and presented some of his songs in the typical youtube ready fashion.

  • iani

    S9 and 10 were in MO to find the next “girl” winner, the next TS kind of,  not to find/see the boys’ defects, the concentrations were on girls and their attitudes and other details. Lee didn’t win because of his vocal chops, he won because he did his best when the other one tried to show was better than him. This is a physiological show, especially at the end, who knows to play it wins.

    “Why this standard is not held for the male winners? Why the girls have to be perfect, but males don’t?”

    Because they are judged(the boys) in less elements to be taken in consideration in the competition than the girls, they come less tense in the show from the beginning, they have more time to concentrate on music and their selection. The girls only to choose the perfect attires, shoes, dance moves and not to be judged for and voted off is more time spent, plus the girls are more emotional and tense in general, the boys are more “I don’t care” kind of. This competition is not a “place” for somebody under 17 and play with them and their emmotions so young, JMO.

  • girlygirltoo

    Phillip had a huge personality? Since when? He was, and remains, very much the humble, aw shucks guy. Scotty doesn’t have a huge personality either, IMO.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    If we go by the “every 3 years is really bad rule” this should be a bad season?! :)

  • Mateja Praznik

    Yes, hopefully. I mean, not that seasons 10 and 11 were good, but this one should be even worse.

  • Valentin432

    There’s not a huge difference in cultural perception between americans and australians, canadians or english people, I would say someone living in New York has more in comon with someon living in London than someone living in Omaha.

    Arguing that americans have a different gender bias when it comes to reality show contestants selling records than australians or canadians is a farfetched idea IMO.

  • SullyD

     I read what you said twice and I still didn’t get it, so we will have to agree to disagree.
    I found your differences between men and women pretty stereotyped, but maybe we are just different people with different ideas and ideals.

  • genius13

    We’ve already tried that type with Lauren Alaina…she couldn’t do it..we tried indie, hippie chick (Crystal B) and she couldn’t do it..sexy sultry Haley couldn’t do it…and fierce pop diva Jessica Sanchez couldn’t do it…So what other “type” of female contestant is there left to try?

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Arguing that americans have a different gender bias when it comes to
    reality show contestants selling records than australians or canadians
    is a farfetched idea IMO.

    I’m saying that *I’m* talking about Americans because I don’t know those other societies well enough and there are differences. Just look at the inability of the X-Factor to take off in the US, while it has mass appeal in other countries similar to ours. Country music is big in the US, while pop seems to reign more elsewhere. There’s differences in what we find funny, in regards to nudity and sex, in regards to religion and politics … guns, etc. It’s true we have a lot in common with these other English-speaking countries but the differences can also be quite surprising, even in terms of the nuances of a television singing competition. 

  • justmefornow

    Neither do I. Or a guy winner like that for that matter…..ZZZZZZZ

    But that’s who always seems to win. Spunky, fun, exciting personality type contestants are either considered bitches if they are women, and douches if they are guys.

    That’s why the “safe” types always win.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXISMF77FUTM37Y5Z2CGBNSBQU Aaron

    But some of Carrie’s recent live performances are just… ouch. 

  • blackberryharvest

    Hopefully? You want it to be a bad season?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Wut??? The last award’s show she was on. something was wrong with her mic and I could barely hear her over the music. Other than that, when has she had performances that could be labeled as ouch-worthy?
    Carrie has a kick-ass voice. It’s only gotten better since her days on Idol.

  • Caro3278sweet

    That sounds like an idle Idol prediction.  ;)  

    heh heh heh.

  • Caro3278sweet

    What are the chances of a female version of Phillip showing up?  Slim to none.  But if one does, I think they would go all out to promote her to the win.

    I’d say that Bowersox was very close to this and her “attitude” done her in. 

    I see this all the time with women. And yeah, I’m a woman. We are very, very hard on our sisters. If one of us dares to raise our head and attempt something remarkable, there is an immediate “tear her down” instinct. 

    I’ve seen it over and over again.

    Maybe that’s what’s going on since most AI voters are now women.

  • Karen C

    I just uploaded a ghetto recording of an Idol commercial, it’s the one where they show some of the former contestants that did well afterwards including KC, CU, Daughtry, DC, KA, AL, SM, and Phillp, and they play Home in the background.
    http://youtu.be/Cxt-mQMoGLk

  • LeahKittyS

    “So what other “type” of female contestant is there left to try?”

    You left out one important type, very prevalent into today’s pop music: I call it “the enigma.” Those performers who throw vocal perfection (and sometimes meaningful lyrics) to the wind and just do things that make people go WTH??? Think Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, or Ke$ha.
    Perhaps someone who showed up to the auditions all freak-a-fied like that wouldn’t get to Hollywood, so the trick is for her to act “normal” until she gets to the live rounds. Then, once she’s in the finals, she’ll pull out all the stops and the public will just have to vote for her. Sure, she’ll scare off a big block of older viewers, but then again, so did Adam Lambert and he took it all the way to the finale. What do we think? Could it work?

  • tucker davis

    Yes, we are! I remember hearing long ago that the sexes were never treated equally in performances…Fred Astaire was considered one of the greatest dancers of his generation, but Ginger Rogers (who never got as much praise) could do everything he could do—and she could do it in high heels & backwards!!

  • Karen C

     

    I’m curious to see how a Kelly or Carrie would do up againt the WGWGs. WGWG defenders are forever saying that a girl could win if they found the “right” kind of girl. Well if Kelly and Carrie aren’t the epitome of the successful female idol contestant, I don’t know who else is.So let’s put it to the test. Is the problem with the female contestants or is with the current voter demographic?

    I’m pretty sure Kelly would still win, because even though she was more limited to what she could do on the show when she was on, she did show some originality, and since has shown how original she can be in the covers she has done since she has been off the show, and I think it is really originality that people see in the more recent winners.  Also, she  has a terrific personality that wins people over  I’m not sure about Carrie winning against a wgwg, because I think she developed somewhat as an artist after she was off the show, though in a way she actually did already.  

    In a way, I wonder if the women on the show are having trouble now because if someone is pop, they are compared to Kelly, and country, compared to Carrie.  

  • LeahKittyS

    Actually, so do I. While I always want the talent to be great and the songs to be good, I hope the ratings sink low enough that they pull the plug on this show soon. If not after this season, then in a couple of years (how does 2016 sound for a cancellation deadline?) I want the show to go out on somewhat of a good note, and it’s already going downhill.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    Late to the party – ready to see what Idol got this year!

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    What originality did Kelly show on Idol? I mean, she’s great and all, but what way did she perform the songs she sang on the show that was so unique? She seems to have sung all the songs she performed on her season very similar to the actual music artist, based on the videos I’ve watched. Which didn’t bothered me, but the only thing that was special to me about Kelly’s performances was that she sang the crap out of it. 

  • TheOther

    Just as important, can a female winner go out there and have a Platinum hit, which 9 of the 11 winners have.  I think the game changer for the last 5 yrs would have been if a female contestant who did not win emerged as the breakout star of their season – just like what Daughtry or JHud did. I like Crystal, but I don’t think her career would have been any different if she had won.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UHX5LYQ3ZJPMPFEYPSFX3ZEE4Q Jack

    Can a girl win American Idol 12?  I started to tally the comments here, but it was too hard because most people didn’t answer the question straight up yes or no.  However, the vast, vast majority think it is laughable and the rest basically say if hell freezes over it might happen.

    The odds of a girl winning American Idol season 12 are about the same as Mitt Romney beating Barak Obama in Philadelphia. 

  • Pippygirl

    The show needs to shut up about a girl winning Idol as long as the show continues to do everything they can to ensure it never happens.

  • Montavilla

    I wonder if Kelly or Carrie would win Idol nowadays. I know for sure Jordin or Fantasia would have no chance of winning.

    I remember that Justin Guarini was very cute and seemed to have a great personality.  But Kelly still won.  

    Carrie was up against Bo Bice, who was quite handsome.  Even if he didn’t play guitar on the show, it was pretty obvious he did offstage.  Yet Carrie won (to the dismay of the audience.)

    Jordin was pitted against Blake Lewis in the final.  I would have voted for him, but only because I’m weird like that.  After Melinda Doolittle was gone, Jordin was the only plausible choice for the title.

    Fantasia was a frontrunner from her audition onwards.  

    I think instruments have added immeasurably to the enjoyment of Idol since they’ve been allowed.  In the five seasons since they arrived, the only time a female finalist has out-performed the male winner in the marketplace was when Crystal Bowersox’s debut album outsold Lee DeWyse’s.  Like it or not, for the most part America has gotten it right.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    They need a real rocker chick who isn’t “rough” looking.  To me, Amanda was not what was needed to win.  Maybe a Pat Benatar or Joan Jett type could win?  Or a minority male or female.  It’s almost time for the show to start!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    I’d still ride w/Kelly Clarkson to kick any WGWG’S ass on Idol – Yesterday, today and tomorrow. I believe she is just that doggone good, the undeniable talent matched with a likability and a realness and relatable quality that goes across all demographics… Kelly would still win Idol today.  This white girl can SANG. No WGWG can roll with her.

    #stillridinwiththeOGIDOL

  • Karen C

    What originality did Kelly show on Idol? I mean, she’s great and all, but what way did she perform the songs she sang on the show that was so unique?

    I think she had a way of singing a song that made it sound like a pop song, even if the arrangement wasn’t changed or if it was an older song.  It was the way she sang it.  

  • Miz

    No thanks, No Thanks. I don’t think MJ ‘needs’ the hits and it would only invite animosity.

    I guess since I voted for Kris and actually like and have bought his music since he was on Idol, YOU would categorize me as a ‘WGWG defender’. However, almost all the years I have preferred and backed a female on Idol.

    Season 1 my favorites were Christina Christian and Kelly Clarkson. I was mad when Christina went out, but got totally behind Kelly after that. I still like Kelly.

    I LOVED Melinda Doolittle and still do. The other years, I liked a lot of people on a performance by performance basis. I’m fine with all of the winners, some more so than others.

    A problem with having a bunch of really good females is that the votes get split too much. We’ve seen a few seasons like that.

  • Miz

    Sassycatz, I was about to say the same thing as you in regards to the AI stigma for guys. You’ve said it perfectly.

  • Last Laugh Lane

    I’m a guy but PREEEACH

  • iani

    Sorry for coming back to the discussion, but I try to make myself more clear  about the male/female winners thoughts, though, my kind of preach here.
     
    But what about Lee’s lack of personality and lack of pitch sense?

    For that part I’ve already said, the people were focused more on Crystal as a frontrunner, to her details, the good or bad  ones more  than to find  Lee’s defects, he was the simple-player in the competition trying to do his best. I don’t know if Lee got more votes at the finale or Crystal lost a lot of them/supporters.

    But what about Scotty’s lack of versatility and the fact that he was completely dull at the finale?

    Scotty got more votes because of his voice as one of the kind for a 17yo one, Lauren was not exceptional at the finale either vocally or artistically.  I said already, her portrait in the beginning of the show as the innocent 15yo in those dresses was not on her advantage in MO but to make the viewers think that she would be too young, unprepared  to be the next AI-star.

    This didn’t happen at all. Jessica was thrown under the bus at top 3 and
    top 2, when Jimmy I. gave her that dreadful song to sing. Heck, she was
    also bussed in the promos, when the producers labeled her as a “big ol
    voice” and P2 as an “artist”.

    And this supports my thinking, if in the beginning they had cared and wanted  a girl to win, after Jessica was saved on WC, TPTB’s hope for a girl-winner diminished, they didn’t care who would win after her saving. Hollie, Elise were not really on their list in MO.
    When I said “When the talent from a girl will be exposed more naturally, with a stage
    presence less tense and less in plastic “feeling” (artificial) she
    might win.”
    , I was thinking to Jessica actually. TPTB was showing us her videos as an exceptional vocalist at 5, 7yo like shot yesterday(actually few years ago)  and then on the show they put her on those heels of 8″ like a grown up, emoting statically or moving on stage like a baby-chicken, focused not to stumble while moving around in front of millions. P2 was focused on his guitar, nothing distracting there, lol.

    Why this standard is not held for the male winners? Why the girls have to be perfect, but males don’t?…
    that they are “too polished”, while the males don’t have to deal with this. As a woman, this upsets me.

    Because the show has changed over the years, its audience, its course, its meaning, the people like to judge differently the girls than the boys, they are tougher on girls, more details to take in consideration, the people are more loose to criticize now because they know everybody can get a record deal anyway, it is not exclusively for the winners and runner-ups. I remember Carly’s pants case and how Simon criticized  her for the pant’s color, the girls have had harder time dealing with stuff like this and easier to get off the show for some unfortunate details/choices, just some thoughts of “why”. I am a woman also and I’ve learned to deal with it, we all are different and soo all the same, everywhere; “The theory is simple, the outcome is the killer”  so is AI. Good luck to the new season’s contestants and show itself!

  • Miz

    Many interesting points brought up. Biggest being that the female contestants are constantly critiqued on what they are wearing and how they look over how they interpreted and sang a song.

    Let’s force the men to wear evening gowns or skirts so revealing they are constantly thinking of what the front row are cameras are seeing. Make them walk around the stage in impossibly high and uncomfortable shoes and not miss a beat.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXISMF77FUTM37Y5Z2CGBNSBQU Aaron