Update: Final ratings numbers are in:

American Idol was adjusted up two tenths of a ratings point from its preliminary ratings to a 6.4 adults 18-49 rating.

The Dancing with the Stars finale was adjusted up one tenth of a ratings point to a 4.6 adults 18-49 rating.

There were no other ratings adjustments

Despite American Idol Season 10 ratings improving overall over last year’s numbers. Last night’s final performance is down slightly vs last year. Via Entertainment Weekly:

Fox’s American Idol performance finale was down slightly from last year in the ratings.

Tuesday’s show delivered 20 million viewers and a 6.2 preliminary adults 18-49 rating, down 7 percent from last season. That rating will probably improve a tad in the nationals. The performance isn’t unexpected given that Idol has been tracking just slightly below 2010?s run all season, itself an accomplishment given the age of the show and all the changes to the judging panel. Still, last night was the lowest rating yet for a performance finale of Idol.

Glee performed strong, earning 12.1 million viewers and a hearty 4.6 rating, the most-watched episode since Week 2 of the season (excluding the Super Bowl).

The Voice and DWTS via TVByTheNumbers:

DWTS averaged 21 million viewers (1 million more than Idol, but Idol still won the demo). The Voice averaged 8.5 million viewers

The two hour season finale of ABC’s Dancing with the Stars scored a 4.5 adults 18-49 rating, up 29% vs. last week

Perhaps muted by the Dancing with the Stars finale, NBC’s latest great hope, The Voice, fell to a 3.8 adults 18-49 rating, down 16% from last week. That’s not a good omen for next season, when theyr’re currently scheduled to go head to head.

From EW

Idol kicked butt in the ratings again this season

RANK SHOW NET RATE
1 AMERICAN IDOL — WED FOX 8.8
2 SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL NBC 8.0
3 AMERICAN IDOL — THU FOX 7.7
4 NFL SUNDAY PRE-KICK NBC 5.6
THE VOICE NBC 5.6
6 DANCING WITH THE STARS ABC 4.8
MODERN FAMILY ABC 4.8
8 NFL THE OT FOX 4.6
9 BIG BANG THEORY CBS 4.4
10 SURVIVOR:NICARAGUA CBS 4.3
GREY’S ANATOMY ABC 4.3

Only Sunday night Football came close to rivaling Idol in the 18-49 demo.

 
  • http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~hansenkd/BrahmsGuides MahlerFan

    The explanation for this is obviously a no-brainer, despite the overblown thing with Lauren’s vocal problems. That was a “Hail Mary” to get the disgusted, disgruntled Haley fans to tune in by giving them false hope.

  • tinawina

    Not surprising. An all country finale was destined to turn people off. This finale was polarizing. Not to mention there was an alternative on with DWTS.

    Let’s see how they do tonight.

  • Chicagolaw

    Well, I watched the Bulls :(

    This shouldn’t be at all surprising, really. I have absolutely no interest in the final two country contestants. I may DVR tonight to see the guest performers, but I haven’t even decided if I care that much.

    How are you going to spin this one Nigel?

    ETA: I think that “Hail Mary” from Nigel was an attempt to get ANYONE to watch. Oh, the drama! TPTB knew it was going to be boring. And how funny it will be when they brag about “record breaking” voting when the ratings are actually down from last year.

  • Keel

    Wow. I’m a fan of neither finalists but I actually took it as a sign that the lack of interest and enthusiasm in last night’s Top 2 thread meant that the rest of the world (casual fans / viewers) was probably tuning in and this would be a super highly rated Top 2 show. Guess not.

    So online fans weren’t enthusiastic and I guess neither was the rest of the world. (Being down from Season 9 is kind of sad actually.)

  • HermeticallySealed

    When you offer up boring, you can’t be surprised when it fails to attract. And from reading the commentary on the blog and Twitter that is exactly what they offered.

  • cheese

    I had no desire to watch, DVR or go back and watch the performances on YouTube. Heck, I may never hear Scotty or Lauren sing again. I’ll probably watch on delay tonight and fastforward through the majority of the show.

  • tyrpen

    They have worked hard at making it less of a competition so people care less.
    Their treatment of past winners has made it clear that winning doesn’t matter so why would they think more people would care about watching or voting?

  • HermeticallySealed

    How are you going to spin this one Nigel?

    I’m sure in his head, more votes is far more important than more viewers.

  • AddictedToMars

    So the ratings were lower than last year but apparently the vote totals are more than 100 million and it looks like from Nigel’s tweets that this is the most votes they have ever gotten for a finale. Hmmm interesting?

  • Yvonne13

    Well this is interesting, since Nigel is tweeting that over 100 million votes have come in, potentially the most ever for a finale. If you listened carefully during top 3 week, Ryan inferred that about 80 million came in for Lee/Crystal. Were the people voting for Scottie/Lauren that motivated, or are we getting a little spin already? I realize there are a lot of dynamics here, such as people watching and not voting. But, still…one has to wonder.

    (Edited moment later…) Ha, ha, Addicted to Mars…our posts were a minute apart, but our minds on the same track, LOL.

  • Oksana2000

    Less viewers than last year , more votes than last year??
    A frikkin MIRACLE!!
    Nigel, wakey, wakey…

  • springboard

    This is really low for a top 2 and compared to the rest of the season.

    Here’s a graph of the ratings updated with the preliminary numbers:
    https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonyBprQsNSGdGxYbGE5M3prem9iamhYR1oxUjdMVXc&hl=en_US&authkey=CO7bgEY

  • panz

    I am annoyed that they toyed with Haley (and her fans) giving us false hope that she might be performing. This might just well be the last straw.

    Not surprised to see that the ratings were so low. Who’d want to watch two less than entertaining Country Idols?

  • ItsMyT1me

    You mean the “country” didn’t turn out in droves to watch the teen autobots recite words against a big band backdrop last night?! Well color me shocked.

    And as expected, David Cook was the only redeeming segment of the show. Of course he should have been live, rather than Cruz, but Cook’s not with Interscope/UMG, so no chance.

  • CCOREY2034

    Now we know HALEY REINHART was a huge reason for ratings surge. It was great seeing Haley every week and we know now she was the only who attributed to the ratings. Not surprised as this finale was so dull. I am more looking foward to tonight because of all the performances. What kind of ratings do you think the finale will get tonight?

  • artemis

    Well, Nigel, you reap what you sow. You manipulated to ensure your chosen one was in the top 2 and had a final 2 that left noncountry fans nothing to watch.

  • Ringo

    Frankly, I am surprised iratings are so high. I wonder what the ratings and votes would have been if (a) there were no Lauren is sick drama (likely lower); (b) it wasn’t an all country final (likely higher); (c)there was some critiques from the 3 stooges (more drama = higher). The fantastic vote count being touted by Nigel really suggests we will not see a change in voting rules next year — it gives something illusory for dizzynutz to crow about.

  • springboard

    I thought that TPTB would have done their best to avoid an all country top 2, but they wanted it, it is their loss.

  • jpfan

    I don’t think it was Haley’s huge fan base that hurt the ratings. I think it was the fact that two country teens were up against each other.

    I think any finale that had Haley, James, Pia up against Scotty or Lauren would have done much better in the ratings. Purely because if you don’t like country music last night was a snooze.

  • tinawina

    Well this is interesting, since Nigel is tweeting that over 100 million votes have come in, potentially the most ever for a finale. If you listened carefully during top 3 week, Ryan inferred that about 80 million came in for Lee/Crystal. Were the people voting for Scottie/Lauren that motivated, or are we getting a little spin already? I realize there are a lot of dynamics here, such as people watching and not voting. But, still…one has to wonder.

    I think it makes sense. Country is a large market with a lot of passionate fans, but it is also a polarizing genre. The people who voted these guys in love the music and love these two and maybe they voted like crazy because they were really into it. But the non-country lovers weren’t motivated to watch at all and it shows.

    This was a season with a fairly eclectic group of contestants that produced a narrow outcome. There really was no one on the finale to root for if you were attracted to any of the other 11 who didn’t make it to the end. Finales, apparently, need variety too. Maybe Nigel will learn that lesson next season.

    A lot of people still watched tough, all they needed was another 3 million or so and it would have been solid.

  • Elliegrll

    The explanation for this is obviously a no-brainer, despite the overblown thing with Lauren’s vocal problems. That was a “Hail Mary” to get the disgusted, disgruntled Haley fans to tune in by giving them false hope.

    I think it had more to do with Lauren and Scotty, and not so much Haley. These two were the chosen front runners since the season started, and even though both were consistent, and probably deserve to be in the final, neither showed any growth during the season, or gave people any reason to become invested in them. Lauren coasted off of her audition, and Scotty seemed to be more focused on his post-idol career than being a contestant.

  • HughH

    I seriously believe that the ratings would have been much lower with Casey, James and/or Haley in the finals.

  • McCreerian

    I’m glad the show at least broke 20. I actually expected worse.

  • TwigLA

    Not surprised ratings were down at all. Wonder where they pulled out the votes from.

  • Valentin432

    Heh, with the usual adjustements this should come somewhat close to last year in the demo and probably higher than last year in total viewers.

    Fox decision to change the scheduling was necessary for the sweep ratings but hurt the performance show just like moving the show to Thursday hurt in the first place.

  • springboard

    I don’t think that it is Nigel decision, it probably comes from higher up, with Fox and UMG.

  • Oksana2000

    I’m watching the graph and still laughing hard.
    On the other hand reading comments to Rushfield article in NYP I finally got convinced that population of US got finale they were dreaming of for a loooooooong time.
    No more freaks, no more controversy, just two wonderful clean country kids.
    Hee Haw!!

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    It will be interesting to see if people initially tuned in, got bored, and switched to another station.

    No doubt the schedule change played a factor.

  • http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~hansenkd/BrahmsGuides MahlerFan

    If for no other reason than as a mea culpa for jerking around Haley and her fans last night, she had damn well better still be performing the single tonight. I realize that such a thing is unprecedented, and I had mixed feelings about it when it first leaked, but (as an admitted Haley fantard), I now actually feel like they *owe* it to her. And all her studios (along with those of everyone besides Scotty and Lauren) have seemingly been removed from ITunes. They’ve got to throw us some sort of bone. Let Pia perform hers too. What the hell.

  • CCOREY2034

    Do you think that Idol will be up from last years viewership? It did 24 million viewers last year. Will there be a higher tune in?

  • EmyR

    This may be a silly question, but why did Nigel tweet that votes were still coming in? Isn’t voting over?

  • Kitwana

    Ha, Ha. Nigel screwed up. They have so many big stars lined up for tonight’s results show. They should have had one of them perform yesterday. Taio Cruz may have had a hit with “Dynamite” but I doubt that he has any ability to draw in viewers. Is anyone talking about his performance? If you gave his slot to Lady Gaga, that would have created both buzz and increased ratings. You would not have had to make up some stupid story about Lauren being unable to sing. Can’t believe Nigel did not think of this. Nigel fail.

  • McCreerian

    dizzyfeet
    Well over 100 million votes last night and they were still coming in? This will be a world record after the final count!

  • Chicagolaw

    At this point, I think bragging about the millions of votes just makes the show look ridiculous (especially since the ratings were actually down). Unless it results in the winner selling millions of records, these vote totals just feed into the image that AI is driven by a bunch of crazy, OTT power-voters. I don’t think it does anything to help the credibility of the artists (although I get that Nigel and TPTB aren’t really concerned with this)

  • milwlovesadam

    Not gonna post negatively on those two kids. They are both talented. Country is not my cuppa. That being said, I have a feeling a lot of people just weren’t interested in the Hee-Haw crapfest that was last night’s show. It doesn’t matter who wins. They will release the same kind of CD for the same demographic. It’s not like a genre competition this year.

    If those boring songs were the best they could come up with as producers and mentors, and if people actually buy those songs, I just don’t even know what to say anymore.

    Geez. I miss Season’s 7 and 8.

  • desiree_chick

    Oh, Nigel, just stick with SYTYCD. It is much better…

  • CCOREY2034

    Compare this lame boring finale to IMO the best finale ever was the David-David deul. I was on the edge of my seat cause thye both were so good and then Cook pulling out the huge win capped off with Time of My Life. What American Idol finale was the most exciting? For me it was definitely David Cook and David Archuelta.

  • MayMirabella

    I wish Eric Burdon ( who is still touring in his late 60s ) would sing House of the Rising Sun with Haley, that would be my dream. But he is touring with Davy Jones, Mark Lindsay, Rob Grill and the Grass Roots, the Turtles and those 60s bands. But wow, that would be so cool if that would happen.

    I do wonder if DWTS took some of the Idol audience for any number of reasons, most importantly it was the actual crowning of the winner. And it is possible that many Idol viewers are not fans of country music when that is all being offered in the Finale.

  • johanna

    dizzyfeet Nigel Lythgoe
    SPOILER ALERT I will be tweeting who the winner of #AmericanIdol is in 5 minutes
    3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    What? I guess Scotty won by a land slide and they don’t want a Lauren melt down on National TV.

  • milwlovesadam

    CCOREY: Season 7 had me on the edge of my seat. Season 8 had me levitating somewhere over my sofa. That wasn’t just great TV. It was truly entertaining and chock full of huge talent. And memorable. What is to remember about last night?

  • Valentin432

    It will be interesting to see if people initially tuned in, got bored, and switched to another station.

    No:

    8:00 FOX American Idol 10 RESULTS 5.6 18 18.511

    8:30 FOX American Idol 10 RESULTS 6.7 18 21.416

    http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/05/25/tv-ratings-tuesday-american-idol-performance-finale-drops-glee-finale-rises-dancing-finale-mutes-the-voice/93836/

  • McCreerian

    Ouch about ‘the voice.’

  • MayMirabella

    Compare this lame boring finale to IMO the best finale ever was the David-David deul. I was on the edge of my seat cause thye both were so good and then Cook pulling out the huge win capped off with Time of My Life. What American Idol finale was the most exciting? For me it was definitely David Cook and David Archuelta.

    I so agree Corey. But also Season 8 was quite good with Kris’ version of the Kanye song and I will never, ever forget one of my favorite performances of Adams…A Change is Gonna Come…Paula and the judges said it was one of the best vocal performances ever on the show in terms of just his voice and he was dressed very plainly in a suit..very sophisticated look and his voice was stelllar that night.

    The Davids, wow, every song was terrific and it was exciting as they were so close vocally.

  • cowboysfan

    Of course he’s not going to reveal the winner. It must be some kind of joke. Gotta love that British sense of humor. :)

  • McCreerian

    CCOREY: Season 7 had me on the edge of my seat. Season 8 had me levitating somewhere over my sofa. That wasn’t just great TV. It was truly entertaining and chock full of huge talent. And memorable. What is to remember about last night?

    I personally loved it, country is just a polarizing genre, people either love it or hate it. The fans of Scotty and Lauren LOVED this finale.

  • MayMirabella

    The Voice is going to expand to 2 hours come June, a very smart decision. As I think more people will watch if it starts at 9pm. And I think people were tired of watching tv if they were watching Idol, Glee, DWTS last night as there was so much to watch. Watching one more competition show would be overload last night for some.

  • milwlovesadam

    May: Change is Gonna Come was absolutely magnificent. A truly memorable performance, as was Heartless. But, Change is still my all-time favorite performance ever of any season.

  • McCreerian

    I so agree Corey. But also Season 8 was quite good with Kris’ version of the Kanye song and I will never, ever forget one of my favorite performances of Adams…A Change is Gonna Come…Paula and the judges said it was one of the best vocal performances ever on the show in terms of just his voice and he was dressed very plainly in a suit..very sophisticated look and his voice was stelllar that night.

    The Davids, wow, every song was terrific and it was exciting as they were so close vocally.

    Funny how its the all male finales that seem to be the fan favorites…and people wonder why we can’t get a girl winner anymore.

  • AddictedToMars

    I personally loved it, country is just a polarizing genre, people either love it or hate it. The fans of Scotty and Lauren LOVED this finale.

    Agreed I liked last night’s finale too. I like country music and I’m a fan of both Scotty and Lauren but I also love and listen to a variety of music so tonight will be good for me too.

  • MayMirabella

    dizzyfeet Nigel Lythgoe
    SPOILER ALERT I will be tweeting who the winner of #AmericanIdol is in 5 minutes

    I think Nigel is getting stoned with Judas Priest ( but most of these old band members and old dudes are not into the drugs anymore as they once were..)..so maybe Nigel just has his own stash. LOL!!! He is being a silly goose trying to get attention. The man is an attention seeker..anything for better ratings.LOL

  • Mel1

    I wonder how they figure on people who tuned in the beginning but switched the channel? Also people who tivoed the show but never watched it? I know people who did just that, tivoed it but don’t have any intention of watching. I bet that pumped up the ratings higher than it should have been.

  • MayMirabella

    I like Country music when done well by some of the greats. I have always adored the greats like Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton, Tammy Wynette, George Jones and more contemporary country stars too. I love other genres more though. But having said that, I loved that one country singer would be in the Finals but I was hoping it was not 2 as it is reminded me of Nashville Star and Nigel’s other show that is going into the Finals next week…CMT Star ( Fridays at 9 )

  • Elliegrll

    Funny how its the all male finales that seem to be the fan favorites…and people wonder why we can’t get a girl winner anymore.

    A lot of pundits have said that the Kat/Taylor one was the best, and the ratings and tour revenue would seem to show that to be true.

    Another problem, as tv by the numbers pointed out, was moving the show to Tuesday. Fox made the decision long ago, but of course they only announced it on air last week. Not everyone follows the boards and blogs, and knew that there would be a change. There was a big increase at 8:30.

  • lucy

    I personally loved it, country is just a polarizing genre, people either love it or hate it. The fans of Scotty and Lauren LOVED this finale.

    There’s a lot of country music that I love. And I’m especially a long-time fan of so-called traditional country music, which I hear that Scotty does. And yet, while I think these are two cute kids, they both bore me silly, as did last night’s show …. So it’s not as simple as you’re portraying it.

    For me, at least, though I doubt that I’m alone, the boring part had absolutely nothing to do with the genre and everything to do with the fact that I don’t find either of these kids to be compelling performers at this point or mature enough performers to be at all convincing when they do what they do.

  • McCreerian

    A lot of pundits have said that the Kat/Taylor one was the best, and the ratings and tour revenue would seem to show that to be true.

    I remember a lot of people calling that finale boring despite the ratings.

  • MayMirabella

    That is a good point, Mel. I have friends who only watch the Final 2 episodes of Idol.

    I was just talking to a musician friend who had a lot of success in the music business40 years ago who says he only watches the Finale of these shows because some of the people he remembers from way back in the 60s and 70s often appear.
    But some of these old dudes knew Steven back in the day or met him once or twice way back before Steven was famous.

    LOL

  • EmyR

    But also Season 8 was quite good with Kris’ version of the Kanye song

    Kris performed Heartless on Top 3 night, not Top 2. He was, however, really amazing on a repeat of Ain’t No Sunshine. And ACIGC is my favorite performance ever on Idol, so if the night hadn’t included No Boundaries, I would say S8′s final performance night was my favorite.

    The David’s in S7 edge out and win though for being the best overall.

    Another problem, as tv by the numbers pointed out, was moving the show to Tuesday. Fox made the decision long ago, but of course they only announced it on air last week. Not everyone follows the boards and blogs, and knew that there would be a change. There was a big increase at 8:30.

    There’s always a increase for the tail end of the episodes. The fact is the shift shouldn’t have made such a big impact on the ratings, especially when Glee pulled in the numbers it did. Highest rated since the Super Bowl episode. That’s pretty telling.

  • http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~hansenkd/BrahmsGuides MahlerFan

    A lot of pundits have said that the Kat/Taylor one was the best, and the ratings and tour revenue would seem to show that to be true.

    Given the way Taylor ended up being treated by AI after the fact, though, the busing of Kat with “My Destiny,” etc., is really confusing to this day. I wonder why they didn’t pull a “Lauren” with her, since the outcome was already known. It was a weird, weird thing, and it taints that finale.

  • CCOREY2034

    The Voice should definitely beneift also with Americas Got Talent lead-in as well. Numbers should zoom way up.

    Honestly instead of this final two I rather would have seen six HALEY bets of performances. Can you imagine a redux of Benny and Jets, House of Rising Sun, I who have nothing, Led Zepplin, Rolling in the Deep and a Little Piece of My heart. Haley was a huge reason I watched for her gutso.

    Season 10 reminds me of Season 5 where there was great talent but the finale lacked and the wrong winner. There have been some seasons were talent was weak ala Season 6 but Jordin was a good winner.

  • tomk

    Is James not performing tonight? He just tweeted that vocal rest has been prescribed.

  • milwlovesadam

    “””For me, at least, though I doubt that I’m alone, the boring part had absolutely nothing to do with the genre and everything to do with the fact that I don’t find either of these kids to be compelling performers at this point or mature enough performers to be at all convincing when they do what they do.”””

    Word. And maybe this has to do with the discussion about lowering the age limit. Sure there are talented kids out there. But, are they really ready for the limelight yet? Sure, it made good TV to see Lauren melt-down and fall down stairs. Sure , it made good TV to see Gaga teach Scotty how to hold his microphone. But honestly. They would have been more developed as performers in a few years. And, THAT would have made for a better quality finale. IMHO.

  • Elliegrll

    The Voice should definitely beneift also with Americas Got Talent lead-in as well. Numbers should zoom way up.

    The Voice had major problems last night. It may not be scheduled for Monday night’s next fall for very long.

  • RONTEX

    Hey Mel1, my thoughts exactly. I didn’t even turn on the tv but then realized it was taping it anyway. I bet the numbers were much lower than they think. I had no desire to watch that Snoo-za-paloo-za. I may be done with this show if it turns into “Vanilla Idol”, no contestants coloring outside the lines, please.

  • Elliegrll

    For me, at least, though I doubt that I’m alone, the boring part had absolutely nothing to do with the genre and everything to do with the fact that I don’t find either of these kids to be compelling performers at this point or mature enough performers to be at all convincing when they do what they do.

    I agree. It was Scotty and Lauren, and not the genre. Viewers become attached to people who aren’t in a genre that they like all of the time, that’s why AI fans tend to fade away after the season. Scotty and Lauren did enough to show people that they are good singers, but not enough to make people really care about them.

  • iluvai

    Can you imagine a redux of Benny and Jets, House of Rising Sun, I who have nothing, Led Zepplin, Rolling in the Deep and a Little Piece of My heart.

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Lauren sang her heart out last night! I way prefer her over Haley. I’m so glad she made it to top 2!

  • Valentin432

    The Voice had major problems last night. It may not be scheduled for Monday night’s next fall for very long.

    The Voice isn’t scheduled for next fall. It’s the sing off in the fall, The Voice is scheduled to come back only during the spring.

    What problems are you referring to?

  • jpfan

    I heard the NYC DJs complaining they didn’t know one song done last night even though they liked both singers. That makes for a dull night. One of them should have attempted a Pop or Rock song to change it up a little.

    It was just a really boring night if you don’t like country. ;)
    The Voice was up against the DWTS finale so I’m not surprised the ratings dropped. The Voice does have some issues. For one thing, it’s actually too short!. Plus, I think they should start every episode with one of the judges doing a song.

  • MayMirabella

    Well this is interesting, since Nigel is tweeting that over 100 million votes have come in, potentially the most ever for a finale. If you listened carefully during top 3 week, Ryan inferred that about 80 million came in for Lee/Crystal. Were the people voting for Scottie/Lauren that motivated, or are we getting a little spin already? I realize there are a lot of dynamics here, such as people watching and not voting. But, still…one has to wonder.

    Since there is unlimited voting for 4 hours, I am not surprised at all. Scotty and Lauren fans could be more into power texting and power phone voting and more passionate about voting for 4 hours straight. As it is not the number of viewers with this show or number of fans of each..but how passionate each of the fan bases are about voting.

    As look at the difference in intensity of Taylor fans vs the fans of Daughtry who buy his music and go to his concerts.

  • milwlovesadam

    “””Can you imagine a redux of Benny and Jets, House of Rising Sun, I who have nothing, Led Zepplin, Rolling in the Deep and a Little Piece of My heart.””””

    Yes. I can. When Haley is the opening act for Adam’s next tour!!! Wouldn’t that be great??? What a combo that would be!!

  • http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~hansenkd/BrahmsGuides MahlerFan

    I totally agree. And I can only hope that Haley and James are analogous to Daughtry in that comparison.

  • BootStar

    LOLOLOL! Well, it didn’t take Karma long to bite Nigel in the ass, did it? I wonder if he’ll quick invite Lee DeWyze to the finale tonight to try to make amends to the Idol gods.

  • kozisedso

    I did not watch AI last night – for the first time in about a decade. And I certainly didn’t vote. Wonder where all those 100 million plus votes came from? I’ll watch tonight, but I don’t care who wins. Blatant overmanipulation = don’t care anymore. Heh…

  • http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~hansenkd/BrahmsGuides MahlerFan

    Yes. I can. When Haley is the opening act for Adam’s next tour!!! Wouldn’t that be great??? What a combo that would be!!

    Oh, dear God, yes! Somebody suggest it to Adam now! And tag Casey along for good measure and duets. Not that it would ever happen. I’m guessing Haley will just nonchalantly do her own thing. She seems to just want to do what she finds fun and what makes her happy, and if people like it, well, that’s cool.

  • askew3

    Hah, I knew that was why Nigel was pushing that idiotic story about Haley possibly singing in the finale. He was trying to get people who didn’t want to watch the hee-haw finale to tune in. Nice try.

    This is what happens when AI pushes the blandest two in history to the finale, crappy ratings.

  • Valentin432

    THe discrepency between voting numbers and ratings have been going on for a while.

    Season 8 was the pinacle of that phenomenon, every week there was a new record beaten and the ratings were down year to year from season 7 by close to 10%

  • milwlovesadam

    Hmmmm. Young finalists……younger demographics…..power voting……..kids that multi-task on multi-media…text voting and on-line voting all at once……

  • SpenserJ

    I know people who did just that, tivoed it but don’t have any intention of watching. I bet that pumped up the ratings higher than it should have been.

    I believe they track Tivo/DVR playback. Somehow they’re collecting numbers of when people actually play back the shows they record. So, I’m not sure the recording counts until you actually watch it. And, it doesn’t count in the overnights.

    I’m guessing tonight’s numbers will be much better. They’re bringing back some of the more dynamic performers of the season, plus they have a ton of heavy-hitting guest stars.

    While I think last night’s finale was the leasting exciting Idol finale ever, I don’t blame just Scotty & Lauren. The judges were ridiculously useless also. And, with so many people believing the outcome was a foregone conclusion, that has to put a little damper on the number of people who watch in real time.

  • McCreerian

    Yes. I can. When Haley is the opening act for Adam’s next tour!!! Wouldn’t that be great??? What a combo that would be!!

    I think it will be the other way around-Adam will be opening for Haley instead.

  • hicksaholic

    I thought Season 5 had the best finale and the right winner. Taylor never trailed from the get go. The graph shows the numbers going up pretty dramatically top two and finale nite of season 5. A lot of people were interested in Kat and Taylor. Don’t disagee with “My Destiny” song. I agree it was awful.

    I think the problem with AI now is the manipulation seems to be so much more obvious. Maybe it was always there but harder to spot.

  • Elliegrll

    What problems are you referring to?

    I meant mid-season. When it comes back it will be scheduled against DWTS, which is not the best situation since they are trying to get the show established.

  • McCreerian

    THe discrepency between voting numbers and ratings have been going on for a while.

    Season 8 was the pinacle of that phenomenon, every week there was a new record beaten and the ratings were down year to year from season 7 by close to 10%

    I actually think the ratings might not even be an accurate representation. Its only Nielson viewers who are counted, and its a VERY small sample size. For all we know, the ratings could have been higher.

  • Hailey

    I switched back and forth, back and forth. lol

  • wolfsbane813

    The fact is the shift shouldn’t have made such a big impact on the ratings, especially when Glee pulled in the numbers it did. Highest rated since the Super Bowl episode. That’s pretty telling.

    well of course glee was going to pull amazing numbers following a telecast of 20+ million. glee doesn’t normally have a lead in on tuesdays.

  • CCOREY2034

    OMG Haley and Adam together would be pure heaven. Plus make it happen. I would watch and pay anywhere to see this happen.

  • askew3

    MahlerFan – sadly Haley is dueting with a horrible partner who in no way fits who she is as an artist. Nigel is screwing her over one more time it seems. I am starting to doubt that Haley is even going to get a single.

  • EmyR

    Season 8 was the pinacle of that phenomenon, every week there was a new record beaten and the ratings were down year to year from season 7 by close to 10%

    Every year, the ratings go down, this is not news. However, S8′s final 3 night held pretty steady in comparison to the rest of the season, which was why this sudden decrease between weeks is odd, especially as ratings have been up overall from last year.

    I actually think the ratings might not even be an accurate representation. Its only Nielson viewers who are counted, and its a VERY small sample size. For all we know, the ratings could have been higher.

    Of course Nielson is not completely accurate, but as it has been the same system for gauging rating the whole season and every season before, it’s a good indicator of changes in interest in a show. The system didn’t suddenly change from last week, the viewers’ interest must have.

    well of course glee was going to pull amazing numbers following a telecast of 20+ million. glee doesn’t normally have a lead in on tuesdays.

    Of course the lead in helped, but the point is that if the shift was a huge problem, Glee wouldn’t have been up so much. Again, experts were predicting there might be a very small decrease in ratings for Idol with a small to medium increase for Glee. However, this is not the case as Idol took a larger hit than expected and Glee managed to pull in some amazing numbers.

  • Valentin432

    The fact is the shift shouldn’t have made such a big impact on the ratings, especially when Glee pulled in the numbers it did. Highest rated since the Super Bowl episode. That’s pretty telling.

    Look at any scheduling change for the past ten years.
    Most did have an impact on the ratings.

    Look at what Survivor or the Big Bang Theory have been doing this season compared to last. Or even better, look at the difference between Thursday Idol broadcasts compared to Wednesday of this year or Tuesday from last year.

    Also Glee is a bad exemple to take. It was at 9 pm instead of the usual 8pm slot and got the AI lead in (if you want an exemple of the effect look at the Bones number before and after they had an AI lead in).

  • Hazehel

    The Voice is sinking fast. From it’s premiere, it has lost 25% of its 18/49 demo, 27% of total viewers. It’s worse if you compare with the second episode which had higher viewing figures – it drops 33% in the 18/49 demo and 32% overall. It doesn’t look good, but it should start to recover when live rounds start.

  • milwlovesadam

    “””CCOREY2034 says:
    05/25/2011 at 12:55 pm

    OMG Haley and Adam together would be pure heaven. Plus make it happen. I would watch and pay anywhere to see this happen.””””

    Me too!! I’m hoping to see/hear both of them tonight!

  • Lisa

    Every year the votes are about ten million or so more than the previous year. That way Ryan can say ‘it was a record vote!’.

    It’s pretty bad when all the media outlets say how boring and it was the worst finale ever. Gotta agree but we all saw it coming.

    I see only one way to get Idol back on track. That is to fix the voting problems however this will never happen because it brings in alot of money for AT&T.

    Other alternatives. A Junior Idol maybe in the fall. (that would assure me not watching lol).

    Best idol finale ever? Hands down David vs David. Both lovely guys, great vocal talents, both brought moments on that stage. The two in this finale? Not one single moment. Nada, zip, not a one. Reminded me of a slow plodding work horse every week, same old same old. not bad just not great.

  • easyrider707

    I thought this would happen. Kind of proves the point I have been making all year – the biggest decision Nigel made was to get off DWTS.

  • Shander222

    Even worse is the lasting damage they’ve done by so actively promoting two goody two shoe’s white conservative(ish) singers who are two young to undersand the lyrics even of their chosen genre and not particulary outsanding singers at the moment.

    The may ripen, no doubt they’re talented , driven and likeable kids.

    People will always have theories about who the table is tilted for in terms of votes (young, old , west south etc)

    But that hasn’t really played out..singers last year from chicago and ohio .. with a hippyish girl with a motorcyle guy father (seemed like a great father but harldy looked like a modern day ozzie and harriet, type. In the final 3, an african american.

    4 years ago 3/4 of the final four were african american girls.

    The judges push does have some impact but even more, some criticism … especially critcism that isn’t overblown or personal but hits the mark.. will temper many voters (if they go too hard, they can rally people in the opposit way sometimes).

    But, whether or not the Judges compliments along the way influenced the final outcome.

    … the perception of the influence is really what is vital. The judges overly transparent lack of cricism and over praise of the country duo … perhaps to look good to their fans, was a double whammy.

  • EmyR

    Also Glee is a bad exemple to take. It was at 9 pm instead of the usual 8pm slot and got the AI lead in (if you want an exemple of the effect look at the Bones number before and after they had an AI lead in).

    Lol of course schedule changes will have an impact, I wasn’t saying it didn’t. However, the shows you mentioned are a little different. For one, Idol ran on Tuesday nights for 9 seasons before this. Like I said above, the lead in definitely helps, and if the difference wasn’t so big, then you could account the total dip in ratings to the time shift. Because the increase is so large, however, you have to acknowledge that the shift wasn’t the only issue.

  • Mel1

    For me, at least, though I doubt that I’m alone, the boring part had absolutely nothing to do with the genre and everything to do with the fact that I don’t find either of these kids to be compelling performers at this point or mature enough performers to be at all convincing when they do what they do.

    Yes. My friend loves country music and didn’t watch because the two in the finale bored her the entire season. She watches other country singing competition shows and said that they blow Scotty and Lauren out of the water.

  • koshka

    wow…. I … am…. so …. shocked. zzzzzzzz

    All I know is that I opted to watch an NCIS rerun over the finale. Thanks to MJ I was able to catch the highlights!

  • easyrider707

    DWTS in the first hour last night, the 8-9 that competed with AI, rebroadcast the previous nights dances. Could you imagine this entire seasons ratings had AI went head to head as previous seasons. Did previous years AI lose the ratings total to DWTS as many times as has happened this year several weeks? I honestly do not remember weeks when DWTS beat AI as often as this season.

  • Shander222

    BTW , I had my Tivo record the show.. didn’t bother to cancel the episode on my season pass and figured too that if anything funny happened in one part (like hearing the mumbled comments from a judge saying who they were rootign for) I could go back and look at if i cared.

    Who knows how they count that in audience numbers but tivo sells all sorts of data to the media/marketing/analytical corps.

    They aggregate data on parts of show’s most replayed etc . (I think the superbowl nipple moment still holds the record).

    I’m really curious if the Scotty and Alliana fans like they’re perfomances so much they go back and watch them a second and thrid time and keep the recording around to do the same a few more times in the next day or so. Same with Pia… can people really sit through that type of performance 3 or 4 times in a way that they actually liked it as much or more than the original ?

    I’d listen to Haley dozens of times. I’d go back and listen to Crystal mutiple times last year. I couldnt’ get tired of Lee Dwyzes the boxer, and Jason Castro’s Halleluja or over the rainbow. If a peformance gets weaker each time you listen to it.. there’s an issue to me…

    … but again.. it is a matter of taste.. maybe Scotty and Alliana’s fans do want to hear more and more of their songs that they peformed, and more power to them if so.

  • annie12120

    well of course glee was going to pull amazing numbers following a telecast of 20+ million. glee doesn’t normally have a lead in on tuesdays.

    Glee is up because of all the AI viewers who fell asleep with their TVs still on ;)

  • Shander222

    Peopled dissed last year’s talent but I thought it was the best final in the last 5 years.

    They (especially Crystal) kept bringing more to the table and had special peformances…and I happened to like both of their voices, vocal styling , and personalities.

  • musicality

    I’m guilty of it. I watched maybe 3 1/2 minutes of Idol. Not exaggerating. I switched it on and heard Lauren doing that damned country twang and I put on DWTS then watched The Voice. If Haley was a finalist I would have watched. Too much country.

  • car3278sweet

    It was just a really boring night if you don’t like country.

    Well, I like country, buy it, go to concerts, but I didn’t watch last night. Frankly, I think alot of Scotty/Lauren supporters are NOT country music fans because those of us who do follow the genre know these kids are currently sub-par.

    Scotty coasted through the season. I have seen enough of him to know there’s no real arc of improvement so far and I’m not real enthused about the current product. Maybe he’ll get better over time – I’ll check him out in a few years if he’s still in the industry, but for now…meh.

    Lauren has potential. Lordy, if I had a nickel for every time I heard that, I’d be a very rich peep. But as a music buyer, I don’t buy potential and she really has not grown much at all through the course of this season either. So… again, I’ll check her out in a few years if she’s around.

  • musicality

    So Nigel said over 100 mil votes cast yet ratings down. Proves the theory that a good portion of the votes are cast by text messaging power voters.

  • HermeticallySealed

    OMG Haley and Adam together would be pure heaven. Plus make it happen. I would watch and pay anywhere to see this happen.

    Please, no. It would be the one thing that would make me NOT want to go see Adam. Haley has all the artistic interpretation of William Shatner on helium.

  • lorismile

    I do not want Adam touring with Haley. I’d rather he tour with a big name.

  • chicksineggz

    Well it should be down from last year. Last year’s finale was exciting. Crystal gave some of her best performances during Top 2 night.

  • car3278sweet

    The performance isn’t unexpected given that Idol has been tracking just slightly below 2010?s run all season, itself an accomplishment given the age of the show and all the changes to the judging panel. Still, last night was the lowest rating yet for a performance finale of Idol.

    Wait! Wait! Where is gangreene29? ;-) Someone needs to race over to the EW’s offices with the real meme that S9 was and always will be the worst season EVAH because the FACTS prove it.

    Facts like viewership.

    Quick! We cannot have the above FACT surface for any length of time!

    Nigel needs to quickly squash this by releasing the FACT that 500 fraun power-voted 200,000 times in order to show that the real FACT is this year’s final got the MOST VOTES EVAH!!!

    LOL!

  • Hazehel

    Look at any scheduling change for the past ten years.
    Most did have an impact on the ratings.

    Oh who cares what the reasons might be. I’m sure the schedule change affected the ratings somewhat, but Idol has pissed off too many fans like us who used to defend it to want to defend it this time.

  • iluvai

    Hopefully it’s a big stretch from Adam liking Haley to Adam touring with Haley. Yuck!

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I did not watch AI last night – for the first time in about a decade. And I certainly didn’t vote. Wonder where all those 100 million plus votes came from?

    I suspect the South. Last year we had two Midwest finalists and the vote tally was not even announced. I suspect low vote totals. In S8 you had one contestant from the South and there were nearly 100 million votes with the Southerner supposedly winning by a landslide.

    So…it seems to me, once we get to the finale, southern contestants have the edge because it seems like peeps in the South like to vote and often vote for a regional favorite. Prior to the finale it’s more of a toss-up because contestants are splitting votes.

    Now for the numbers peeps:

    Was Cook’s margin of victory the largest in AI history? We hear rumors that Kris’s margin of victory was huge, but we don’t know for sure. We can’t tell by Dial Idol for S8 because both Kris and Adam were in the yellow the night of the finale with it being too close to call. Cook was predicted to win big by DI in S7 – he was in the green, Archie was in the red. Ditto for Lee – green, Crystal-red. Scottie is now predicted to win big this season. I think based on DI, Cook will hold the title for the biggest blow out. By the way, I can’t get S6 numbers to come up.

  • Elliegrll

    So Nigel said over 100 mil votes cast yet ratings down. Proves the theory that a good portion of the votes are cast by text messaging power voters.

    More like the majority of the viewers don’t, and never have, voted. The ratings were down, but they still drew 20 million people, but only a fraction of that amount have ever taken the time to vote, and pretty much, everybody who voted this week are the same people who have voted all season, even if they voted for people other than Lauren and Scotty.

  • JudyOhio

    Maybe a lot of the audience got so used to performances on Weds. and results on Thurs. this year that they forgot that this week’s performance night was on a Tues. instead of a Weds. Could that have accounted for less viewers than expected last night?

  • JOJOSIE

    Haley could be Adam’s opening act just like Allison was this tour. She not my favorite but she might fit in for that role. I think any of these kids, Haley included would have a hard time with a solo tour right off Idol. Taylor Hicks, David Cook and Adam Lambert did it with real sucess but they are all great performers as well as singers.

  • EmyR

    More like the majority of the viewers don’t, and never have, voted. The ratings were down, but they still drew 20 million people, but only a fraction of that amount have ever taken the time to vote, and pretty much, everybody who voted this week are the same people who have voted all season, even if they voted for people other than Lauren and Scotty.

    You’re ultimately saying the say thing as the person you were replying to said. The general public doesn’t vote, just the ott power-voters.

    We’ve known this to be true for at least a few seasons as the one with the highest vote isn’t the most successful post-show. The people voting aren’t the majority of people watching.

    Maybe a lot of the audience got so used to performances on Weds. and results on Thurs. this year that they forgot that this week’s performance night was on a Tues. instead of a Weds. Could that have accounted for less viewers than expected last night?

    That’s what we’ve been discussing for a couple of pages now. Ultimately, the time shift did have some impact, but does not account for the total ratings dip alone.

  • Hazehel

    We can’t tell by Dial Idol for S8 because both Kris and Adam were in the yellow the night of the finale with it being too close to call.

    Season 8 was the first time when power-texting became seriously an issue, and if more people power-voted for one contestant than that can tip the balance significantly. We all know about the voting controversy and how AT&T employees taught Kris’ fans how to power-text for Kris, so it is possible that Kris won by a huge margin and not for that to show up on DialIdol.

  • HotHotHot

    Didn’t watch last night and won’t watch tonight either. Will YT Haley.

  • Keel

    There’s a lot of country music that I love. And I’m especially a long-time fan of so-called traditional country music, which I hear that Scotty does. And yet, while I think these are two cute kids, they both bore me silly . . .

    For me, at least, though I doubt that I’m alone, the boring part had absolutely nothing to do with the genre and everything to do with the fact that I don’t find either of these kids to be compelling performers

    Well, I like country, buy it, go to concerts, but I didn’t watch last night. Frankly, I think alot of Scotty/Lauren supporters are NOT country music fans because those of us who do follow the genre know these kids are currently sub-par.

    You may be right. My husband is (or was) a big Scotty fan but he is far from a country fan. I guess Scotty is his idea of a commercially appealing country recording artist — but he does not necessarily know the genre. And I’ve certainly seen more than my fair share of posts/comments here and in other blogs about how they are fans of Scotty or Lauren even though they are not country music fans.

    Also, I’ve read more than once from different sources about how country radio DJs/PDs are not on the Scotty/Lauren bandwagon and skeptical about their place in country radio. So that can’t be good. But then again . . . country radio peeps were pretty skeptical about Carrie at the very beginning too, weren’t they?

  • Valentin432

    Wait! Wait! Where is gangreene29? ;-) Someone needs to race over to the EW’s offices with the real meme that S9 was and always will be the worst season EVAH because the FACTS prove it.

    Facts like viewership.

    Quick! We cannot have the above FACT surface for any length of time!

    I love people who come on ratings thread every 2 months when the news is bad and never show up when the ratings are up.

    Season 10 has been beating season 9 since the finals began and the top 2 show will have more viewers too when the update will come.

    That’s what we’ve been discussing for a couple of pages now. Ultimately, the time shift did have some impact, but does not account for the total ratings dip alone. It’s a little naive to think that, imo.

    Season 9 episode 2 wednesday audition: 26.393M
    Season 10 Episode 1 wednesday episode: 26.23 M
    Season 10 episode 2 Thursday episode: 22.9
    Season 10 episode 3 Wednesday episode: 25.33

    Schedule change matter and can account for a lot of it.
    Also accounting for a lot of it? the fact that it was scheduled between 8 and 9 PM when the past wednesday show was broadcasted for 2 hours and the 9PM had much higher ratings like any of these 2 hour shows

  • wjmtv

    HotHotHot says:
    05/25/2011 at 2:15 pm

    Didn’t watch last night and won’t watch tonight either. Will YT Haley.

    Same here. :)

    Does changing the night really have that much of an effect? That many Idol viewers live under rocks?

    I’m one of those pissed-off Lee fans who wouldn’t watch now if you held a gun to my head, but I can’t help but think most people kept their TEEvees off because they either don’t like country, or just plain don’t like.

  • Kirsten

    Ratings were down because they moved nights. They knew that would happen, but they wanted the Sweep numbers. If they had aired the results show on Thursday, that’s two hours of big numbers they would lose. Sure, a lot of out-of-the-bubble people forgot to watch the show, but it is better than losing those results show numbers.

    Here are the ratings for the year (for the 18-49 demo). Idol KILLS it at 1st and third (Football comes in second). Wednesday gets an 8.8, 8.0 for Football and 7.7 for Thursday. The Voice ties the pre-kick show at 5.6 and we all know that demo is dropping. So, to refresh, 8.8 for Idol and 5.6 is the next non-sport show. Nigel certainly earns his paycheque.

    RANK SHOW NET RATE
    1 AMERICAN IDOL — WED FOX 8.8
    2 SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL NBC 8.0
    3 AMERICAN IDOL — THU FOX 7.7
    4 NFL SUNDAY PRE-KICK NBC 5.6
    THE VOICE NBC 5.6
    6 DANCING WITH THE STARS ABC 4.8
    MODERN FAMILY ABC 4.8
    8 NFL THE OT FOX 4.6
    9 BIG BANG THEORY CBS 4.4
    10 SURVIVOR:NICARAGUA CBS 4.3
    GREY’S ANATOMY ABC 4.3

    EW

  • Keel

    Cook was predicted to win big by DI in S7 – he was in the green, Archie was in the red.

    Thing is, if you look at the media predictions on the day of the S7 Finale (between Top 2 and the Finale), the media bloggers/prognosticators had it about at 50/50 in “who will win” category. Interestingly, the betting houses were pretty much unanimous that Cook would win.

    In other words . . . what does Vegas say?

  • lucy

    Then again . . . country radio peeps were pretty skeptical about Carrie at the very beginning too, weren’t they?

    Yep. I think it’s really going to depend on the music (Carrie got pretty good music, right out of the box; these guys are in a different corporate world, so we’ll see).

    Plus, Carrie really showed a growth arc during her Idol season, I thought, and a big growth arc afterwards, so I’m guessing that, once she got there, the country-music world saw what she was becoming. Thanks to the idiot judging panel, I don’t think these two have been given much of a chance or an impetus to grow this season, as far as I can see. …. I think if they grow from here on out, maybe they have something. But last night they were darned sleepy performers, for me, anyway.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Season 8 was the first time when power-voting became seriously an issue, and if more people power-voted for one contestant than that can tip the balance significantly. We all know about the voting controversy and how AT&T people taught people how to power-text for kris, so it is possible that Kris won by a huge margin and not for that to show up on DialIdol.

    ITA – I think that is one of the reasons S8 still ignites some fan wars. Dial Idol’s prediction that the race was very close and could not be called was at odds with the rumors floating around that Kris Allen won by a landslide.

    Well, I guess the good news for S10 is that there will be no voting controversy. :)

    So, as far as I know, there have only been two seasons where there was large scale voting controversies.

    I know S2 with Clay and Ruben
    And then S8 with Kris and Adam.

    Any others?

  • EmyR

    Season 10 has been beating season 9 since the finals began and will the top 2 show will have more viewers too when the update will come.

    I’m confused then, b/c the article above says this dip “isn’t unexpected given that Idol has been tracking just slightly below 2010′s run all season.”

    I’m not saying the shift didn’t have an impact, but it doesn’t seem like it can account for a 7% dip. Most knew there would be a decrease, but that it would be much smaller. To me, that says other factors added to the rating loss. A lot of online fans didn’t bother watching, and as a sample size, it’s not unrealistic to think that carried over to the general viewership.

    I do think this year was better overall than last year, but the final two just poorly represented such a diverse set of contestants.

  • JudyOhio

    That’s what we’ve been discussing for a couple of pages now.

    Oops, I came in late, didn’t review, my bad…..sorry :(

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Season 8 was the first time when power-voting became seriously an issue, and if more people power-voted for one contestant than that can tip the balance significantly. We all know about the voting controversy and how AT&T people taught people how to power-text for kris, so it is possible that Kris won by a huge margin and not for that to show up on DialIdol.

    As far as I can tell, power voting (which the show encourages, btw) really got going in S5 when the Soul Patrol and other fanbases started purchasing Go Phones. No doubt the methods got more sophisticated, but it has been an issue way longer than S8.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Interestingly, the betting houses were pretty much unanimous that Cook would win.

    In other words . . . what does Vegas say?

    Ohh, I wonder if they had Scotty slated to win? Does anyone know the odds?

  • EmyR

    Oops, I came in late, didn’t review, my bad…..sorry

    No, I’m sorry. I realized too late my comment was too snippy. Ah, the limitations of text.

  • car3278sweet

    Then again . . . country radio peeps were pretty skeptical about Carrie at the very beginning too, weren’t they?

    Yeah, I think there was some pushback initially with Carrie. But she wowed the industry at the…hmm… I think it was the CMA awards show. Also, I think she didn’t have to fight as much AI fatigue as Scotty/Lauren are going to have to. Two teens pushing music to country radio at the same time… hm.

    I love people who come on ratings thread every 2 months when the news is bad and never shows up when the ratings are up.

    How can you say such a thing to moi, Valentine432? I lurk on the numbers thread. I read every word with avid intensity. It is my life!!11!!

    Of course, the reason I never comment when S10 numbers are up is that I scheme constantly in my basement, huddled over my ancient computer, to try and find ways to make sure The Children fail in their careers. This is to prove that my particular S9 snowflake is soooo much better, of course. Children failing = Snowflake winning. Do you see how good I am at equations???!!!111!!!

    Ha.

    I honestly could care less about what season does what as far as numbers are concerned. I know from personal experience how numbers can be pushed, jiggled, flexed, bent to sell any particular scenario any person wants to push. I was just havin’ me some fun. ;-)

  • Valentin432

    I’m confused then, b/c the article above says this dip “isn’t unexpected given that Idol has been tracking just slightly below 2010?s run all season.”

    1)I’m guessing they are taking demo numbers if you want to judge the quality of the show by the number of young viewers watching it instead of the total numbers of viewers, that’s your option.

    2) Season 9 began with a much bigger viewership for the audtion phase, which has nothing to do with the quality of the competition since we don’t know who are the finalists/semifinalists. Those episodes inflate season 9 numbers compared to season 8.

    3) Since the finals began, The performance show is consistently more watched than in season 9. The retention week to week is much better and in the past few weeks the gap was even over 3 million viewers.

    4) All this has been done when the trend for the show was going down since season 6 and TV ratings in general are gonig down.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    As far as I can tell, power voting (which the show encourages, btw) really got going in S5 when the Soul Patrol and other fanbases started purchasing Go Phones. No doubt the methods got more sophisticated, but it has been an issue way longer than S8.

    Yes, but DI still has Taylor in the Green and Kat in the red so those dialing were favoring Taylor. (Are you talking about go phone voting and it’s impact on Daughtry – then you might be right there, I don’t know). By the way, when did AT&T start offering reasonably priced unlimited texting plans?

    I think what is unusual with S8 is that there is a disconnect between DI’s finale prediction and the rumored margin of Kris’s victory. It seems like DI usually pretty much nails the finale results for all of the other seasons it has tracked. Now…if Lauren ends up winning, then well, that would be interesting in regards to DI’s accuracy.

  • CRB

    I’m surprised because I figured the big medical scare for America’s sweetheart would have really brought the flock in.

  • Jae

    This tour talk with Adam and Haley is just fan talk, right? These two do not need to tour together. They both need to tour with bigger names who would expand their fan base. Haley should tour with Adele.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I’m surprised because I figured the big medical scare for America’s sweetheart would have really brought the flock in.

    Aren’t there rumors (or at least Ryan attempts at making it a rumor) that Lauren and Scotty were an item? Maybe the flock figured Scotty would end of marrying Lauren and he could be the breadwinner of the two. :)

  • Hazehel

    As far as I can tell, power voting (which the show encourages, btw) really got going in S5 when the Soul Patrol and other fanbases started purchasing Go Phones. No doubt the methods got more sophisticated, but it has been an issue way longer than S8.

    Did Go Phones allow you text 10-20 votes at a time then?

    As far as I can see, nothing unusual happened with the vote in Season 7. We know that David Cook got ~56% of the votes and Archuleta ~44% (12 million was given as the difference out of a total of 97 million), if you look at DialIdol score, the result gives ~58% to Cook and Archuleta 42%, so that suggests that if anyone did power-text, it didn’t make much difference. However DialIdol showed the result between Kris and Adam to be close, but it’s been suggested the actual voting result wasn’t close, that would indicate the power-texting did make a big difference in Season 8. Also we know that text-votes increased by 100 million from Season 7 to Season 8 (78 million to 178 million), so that obviously had a big impact.

  • Mel1

    This tour talk with Adam and Haley is just fan talk, right? These two do not need to tour together. They both need to tour with bigger names who would expand their fan base. Haley should tour with Adele.

    Adam will not have a huge opener, and not likely he’ll open for anyone. Esp since he had a really successful headlining tour. I don’t know if opening for huge stars really increases their fanbase that much. Jordin opened for Britney (couldn’t get much bigger at that time) and JoBros. Her first headlining tour wasn’t too successful. Archie also opened for some popular big names, and his lastest album didn’t do that great. Kris also opened for some superstars, and it didn’t help his headlining tour nor album sales.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Did Go Phones allow you text to 10-20 votes at a time then?

    I don’t know. But I consider anyone invested enough to buy a phone and vote on multiple lines as a “power voter.”

    As for Dial Idol’s unreliability, it could be just as much the fact that few people have land lines and old-fashioned dial up modems anymore, so their sample is even less relevant as technology changes.

    For the record, Dial Idol isn’t the actual voting totals and neither are rumors of the margin of winning, so I can’t see how one could reliably infer anything using those two measures.

    But that’s just me.

  • sgills

    I think what is unusual with S8 is that there is a disconnect between DI’s finale prediction and the rumored margin of Kris’s victory. It seems like DI usually pretty much nails the finale results for all of the other seasons it has tracked. Now…if Lauren ends up winning, then well, that would be interesting in regards to DI’s accuracy.

    Another thing to consider is that the margin will definitely be off with the whole “on-line” voting thing. I think that largely affected the numbers this season, which is why some people who were slated to go home didn’t. I’m thinking that, especially in the case of Haley, a large amount of her votes could have very well been on-line votes – if you look at the nights she had really popular and great performances, she still didn’t appear to do that well on DI – but was still safe. Videos of her performances were going around online, trending on Twitter etc. and so that could have pulled in a bunch of people to vote on the American Idol website instead of calling or texting in votes for her. For all we know, the DI accuracy could be off and she could have had far more votes than it seems on some of those weeks.

  • Kirsten

    Ohh, I wonder if they had Scotty slated to win? Does anyone know the odds?

    Over the weekend, they had him with an 80% chance of winning. IIRC, it was 1/7 while Lauren was 3/1

    Here are some odds I found this morning:
    Contestant Pinnacle Opening Line BetUS BookMaker Bodog

    Lauren Alaina +1000 +300 +500 +250
    Scotty McCreery +820 -500* -900 * -400 *
    * Currently listed as the favorite

    Just as a reference, here were the odds for Cook/Archie:
    Contestant Diamond Current WagerWeb Bodog Current
    David Archuleta +200 +160 +150
    David Cook -250 -225 -200

    Contestant Wynn – open JustBet Pinnacle Bodog
    FINAL ODDS FINAL ODDS FINAL ODDS
    Kris Allen – WINNER +5000 +230 +280 +240
    Adam Lambert +900 -320 -300 -300

    Contestant Pinnacle Opening Line BetED Pinnacle Bodog

    Lee Dewyze
    (better than 2-1 favorite) +5500 WINNER Closing Odds -250
    Crystal Bowersox +600 Runner-up Closing Odds +190

  • tomr

    It would be more interesting to get viewership by state.(also get voting by state) Perhaps they already do this. And how are we counted when someone tapes the show and then watch the last 10 minutes as I am doing tonight?

  • Hazehel

    I don’t know. But I consider anyone invested enough to buy a phone and vote on multiple lines as a “power voter.”

    Ah, no. The problem with power-texting is precisely because it seriously inflates the votes because you are voting 10-20 times each time you press a button. A person can power-text 5000 votes a night, so with just 1000 fans, you can give a contestant 5 million votes. Haley’s reported 25 million votes at Top 3 can come just from 5,000 fans. A relatively small number of fans can seriously skew the result.

    As for Dial Idol’s unreliability, it could be just as much the fact that few people have land lines and old-fashioned dial up modems, so their sample is even less relevant as technology changes.

    That isn’t really the issue. DialIdol samples the entire voting public voting by landline. As we can see from the season 7 DialIdol score, it is actually pretty darn close to the actual result. There is no reason to think that its result would have gone off by a big margin in just one season.

  • Elliegrll

    That isn’t really the issue. DialIdol samples the entire voting public. As we can see from the season 7 DialIdol score, it is actually pretty darn close to the actual result. There is no reason to think it’s result would have gone off by a big margin in just one season.

    That’s not possible, and if this was the case, they wouldn’t have had Pia in second place the week that she was eliminated.

  • sgills

    That’s not possible, and if this was the case, they wouldn’t have had Pia in second place the week that she was eliminated.

    Also keep in mind that was back when there were around 8 idols left. As you get down to the finale the numbers are more accurate because its only 2 contestants.

  • Mel1

    That isn’t really the issue. DialIdol samples the entire voting public. As we can see from the season 7 DialIdol score, it is actually pretty darn close to the actual result. There is no reason to think it’s result would have gone off by a big margin in just one season.

    Then why was it that on DI Adam and Kris were tied, but in reality, Kris won by a huge landslide?

  • Hazehel

    That’s not possible, and if this was the case, they wouldn’t have had Pia in second place the week that she was eliminated.

    Why not? In the early rounds DialIdol is usually a bit flakey, because the votes are spread out and there are fewer votes. In the Top 2, you get only 2 contestants and more votes, so the result is much more accurate.

    Also as I already mentioned, power-texting became an issue starting Season 8, and there is no reason to think that a subset of voters would power-text for all contestants equally, and the power-texters do seriously skew the results, and DialIdol can’t measure it.

  • Hazehel

    Then why was it that on DI Adam and Kris were tied, but in reality, Kris won by a huge landslide?

    Er, did you just miss the entire discussion about power-texting?

  • MayMirabella

    Adam will not have a huge opener, and not likely he’ll open for anyone. Esp since he had a really successful headlining tour.

    Orianthi and Allison Iraheta opened for Adam the last time around so it is was cool that Allison had a chance for a worldwide tour that lasted over 6 months that she might not have had the chance to do herself had she headlined the tour.
    So it is good exposure.

  • iav123

    do DI records onlie voting as well?

  • sallysimmons

    I wonder much the ratings were impacted by the fact that they switched nights for the finale. I missed it because I assumed it was on Wednesday as it has been all year.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    do DI records onlie voting as well?

    No, it only measures the busy signal of each contestant during the voting period. So the votes made by those dialing, via land line or cell phone, are being measured. The more busy signals a contestant has, the more votes you can assume they are getting. You have to download the software program on your home computer if you want to contribute to DI’s figures. DI is a sampling, in the same way exit polls in elections are a sampling of the overall vote. The trends are usually accurate. Every once in awhile there will be a technical glitch and DI will address that on its website during the vote. The people who run DI seem to track pretty close what is happening during the voting process.

    Now, many people feel that the DI sampling is no longer that accurate because it is being skewed by people who power text vote. If people are power voting via “go phones” and dialing in their votes, DI will measure those power dial votes because there will be more busy signals. But if people are texting and voting on-line, those numbers are not being factored into DI’s predictions. There is some conventional wisdom that text votes and on-line votes should pretty much mirror the results of those dialing in their votes. If a contestant is popular on DI, (that is with folks who dial it in) then they should be equally popular with text voters as well.

    Things get dicey, however, when you have a subset of voters who are power texting (which means they can send 10 to 20 votes in per every 5 seconds) for one particular contestant. DI does not pick up on that and therefore the DI predictions may be out of sync with the actual AI results.

  • Elliegrll

    Unfortunately, the drop for the final paired with the amazing ratings for the rest of the season, will lead to more manipulation next year. Instead, it should lead to Nigel having a serious talk with the judges, who could have played a major role in Scotty and Lauren getting better as the season progressed. Both Scotty and Lauren should have been called out for not living up to their full potential.

  • Elliegrll

    Also as I already mentioned, power-texting became an issue starting Season 8, and there is no reason to think that a subset of voters would power-text for all contestants equally

    Why would one contestant have power texters and another doesn’t. For me, it all comes down to people not having proof to back up these claims. The only people who actually know the truth are 19 and the company that they use. For fans, these theories have more to do with favorites not winning than actual facts.

  • Allison

    I wasn’t looking forward to the top 2 show. I guess a lot of people felt the same.I only watched Idol from 8 -9, because nothing else was on. If something had appealed to me, I wouldn’t have watched it. That said I left the room computer every time a commercial came on, and that was lots.
    I watched DWTS at the same time as the Voice. With dexterous channel flipping I got to see all 4 battles and the bulk of DWTS. I flipped channels when Glee was on too. All that reality singing and dancing ended up giving me a headache.

    CRB says:
    05/25/2011 at 2:39 pm

    I’m surprised because I figured the big medical scare for America’s sweetheart would have really brought the flock in.

    I hadn’t heard about that before the show, many may not have.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    The only people who actually know the truth are 19 and the company that they use. For fans, these theories have more to do with favorites not winning than actual facts.

    Ermm..overall DI has been pretty accurate when it comes to the AI finale. Even with the vote spread. It said Cook blew out Archie, and he did. It said Taylor blew out Kat and he did. It said Lee blew out Crystal, and he did. Only during S8 does DI seem not to reflect the actual result. It stated the vote was too close to call, yet there are rumors out there that Kris blew Adam out of the water. I think people notice it because it is interesting to note, and not necessarily that they are upset their favorite lost. So what can we conclude from those DI results vs the rumored landslide Kris had?

    Was there was a subset of text voters who only power voted for Kris, or could the discrepancy in the DI results and the AI results be due to the simple fact that Adam failed to attract many fans who had AT&T unlimited text plans.

  • manny

    It’s always been just a rumor that Kris blew Adam out of the water.

    I was having a discussion with one of my son’s friends who works for the America’s Got Talent show. She told me that people in the know(not her) knew that that season was a statistical tie. They didn’t dare let the vote totals out for fear of another Clay vs Rueben outcry. They couldn’t risk demands of recounts etc. as season 2 was a nightmare for them after the finale.

    It makes sense when you look at post show sales and Dial Idol.

  • Hazehel

    Why would one contestant have power texters and another doesn’t.

    Do girls text more than boys? Do teenagers text more than their mothers or grandmothers? Do black, whites, Latinos, city dwellers, country farm boys, Wall Street financiers, soccer moms all text equally the same? Do they all have the same preferences in Idol contestants? If everyone does everything the same, then market researchers are out of a job.

    And no said one contestant may have power-texting fans but another doesn’t, just that the power-texting fans aren’t shared evenly.

  • Lisa

    Did Go Phones allow you text 10-20 votes at a time then?

    Yes & they held voting parties. At least Taylor’s fan’s and Pickler’s fans did. I still somewhere have the info how to vote thousands of times 10 or 20 at a time. In their hometown’s the local phone companies donated the phones.

  • http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~hansenkd/BrahmsGuides MahlerFan

    MahlerFan – sadly Haley is dueting with a horrible partner who in no way fits who she is as an artist. Nigel is screwing her over one more time it seems. I am starting to doubt that Haley is even going to get a single.

    Um…disagree with this. Haley loves jazz and big band stuff. She’s probably honored to be singing with TB. I’m guessing it’s “Night and Day,” one of her signature tunes. And even if the single is not performed tonight, it’s safe to assume it exists. Uncle Nigel pretty much said it did.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Manny

    It’s always been just a rumor that Kris blew Adam out of the water.

    She told me that people in the know(not her) knew that that season was a statistical tie. They didn’t dare let the vote totals out for fear of another Clay vs Rueben outcry. They couldn’t risk demands of recounts etc. as season 2 was a nightmare for them after the finale.

    See I can believe that because DI gave a slight edge to Kris but still showed the totals it in the margin of error and therefore outcome was too close to call. Perhaps the “Kris won in a landslide” was to stop peeps from asking questions. Not that it did any good! LOL :)

    If that is the case, then DI keeps it record of accurately predicting the finale. Therefore, I think we can trust DI for today’s results.

  • AddictedToMars

    Now the AINOW twitter just tweeted that the final ratings are in that this year’s finale was up from last year’s with 20.6 million viewers compared to last year’s finale with 20.1 million viewers.

  • Indigobunting

    For me, at least, though I doubt that I’m alone, the boring part had absolutely nothing to do with the genre and everything to do with the fact that I don’t find either of these kids to be compelling performers at this point or mature enough performers to be at all convincing when they do what they do

    Gonna second that emotion. I actually liked this season better than 9 for entertainment value and variety in performer styles (way more variety, IMO) and like Lauren’s voice, but yeah, snoozefest with those two clone kids. And the forgone conclusion of the winner doesn’t make me anxious to tune in tonight.

    Now, S7, that was a great one. Best final 2 and finale. Not even my favorite performer, but again, best show.

    Text voting? Eh. I don’t know if all fan bases do it, but I was a big fantard S8 and I remember all top 3 fanbases talking about power texting and giving tips in the big forums. I don’t think it was an unequal factor in voting- didn’t Kirsten just give the published Odds up above that had Kris at much better winning odds and predicted the winner? I also remember (at least in Danny’s fanbase) strict warnings from veterans to NOT powertext because the votes would not be counted. That was pretty much the party line.

    I think it will be the other way around-Adam will be opening for Haley instead

    Wow. And maybe Carrie can open for Scotty? ;)

  • TLKC

    Kris didn’t blow Adam out of the water. Ryan said on the finale that there were nearly 100 million votes. Roger Taylor in an interview with the BBC said Adam only got 49 mllion votes. That means they were less than 2 million votes apart. Not close enough to be in question but less than a 2% spread,’ which IS close.

    My memory is that Dial Idol showed Kris slightly ahead. If Scotty wins tonight then their finale predictions have never been wrong.

  • Hazehel

    It’s always been just a rumor that Kris blew Adam out of the water.

    Don’t think it is just a rumour. Talking about the Arkansas vote controversy, Richard Rushfield reported that according several Idol sources, if all of the votes from Arkansas were removed, Kris would still have won.

    Roger Taylor in an interview with the BBC said Adam only got 49 mllion votes.

    And how would he know?

  • CRB

    Wow. And maybe Carrie can open for Scotty? ;)

    I just threw up a little in my mouth. Mmmm, that really was a good burrito.

  • Elliegrll

    Do girls text more than boys? Do teenagers text more than their mothers or grandmothers? Do black, whites, Latinos, city dwellers, country farm boys, Wall Street financiers, soccer moms all text equally the same? Do they all have the same preferences in Idol contestants? If everyone does everything the same, then market researchers are out of a job.

    And no said one contestant may have power-texting fans but another doesn’t, just that the power-texting fans aren’t shared evenly.

    And once again, this is opinion, and not actual fact. Every contestant has all types of fans. Young, old, every different race, female, male, power voters, those who vote ten times and those who only vote once.

  • Hazehel

    And once again, this is opinion, and not actual fact. Every contestant has all types of fans. Young, old, every different race, female, male, power voters, those who vote ten times and those who only vote once.

    And if your opinion is that all contestants have equal proportion of fans amongst viewers of different race, gender and age, then you are the one who is making the most ridiculous claim.

  • koshka

    Don’t think it is just a rumour. Talking about the Arkansas vote controversy, Richard Rushfield reported that according several Idol sources, if all of the votes from Arkansas were removed, Kris would still have won.

    While I don’t know or really care about what the actual #s were.. Rushfield isn’t exactly a reliable source.

  • TLKC

    I don’t know how Roger Taylor knew but the question has always been for me: why would he make it up?

    He and Brain May were there, they know the producers well and they were interested in doing something with Adam. It was a likely question for them to ask and not outside the realm of possibility that they might get an inside answer. Taylor’s BBC comment was pretty casual; he didn’t even get Adam’s name right and it clearly wasn’t a big issue to him who won.

    To me, a 49-51 million spread answers all questions: as Ryan said, it wasn’t close; as Dial Idol suggested it wasn’t a blow out; and, as Nigel says, Arkansa’s votes wouldn’t likely cover a 2 million vote spread because it’s population is less than 3 million people (many of whom wouldn’t be voting.)

    Anyway, if I was a betting person, I’d go with Scotty, ’cause Dial Idol has done pretty well. Since I’m not, I’ll wait and see.

    (My steely determination to boycott has collapsed today due to the unfortunate fact that I have nothing better to do tonight.)

  • Hazehel

    I don’t know how Roger Taylor knew but the question has always been for me: why would he make it up?

    I didn’t say he made it up, he might have misremembered, or made some wrong assumptions, or someone told him the wrong thing. And he did add the qualifier “I think”, that means he wasn’t entirely sure.

    Reading the actual quote:””He didn’t actually win, he only got 49 million votes, I think…” it really sounds like he wasn’t quite sure of what happened.

    While I don’t know or really care about what the actual #s were.. Rushfield isn’t exactly a reliable source.

    It’s not Richard Rushfield that said it, it’s his Idol sources. Unless you are saying he lied about having talked to those sources and made the whole thing up, in which case there is nothing much left to discuss really because I don’t want to accuse anyone of lying without having some proof.

  • Mel1

    I’m just talking out of my arse, but maybe Kris does have more fans in the US, thus winning by a huge landslide. However, maybe Adam only seemed more popular because he has a much bigger fanbase outside the US. Thus, all the huge number of posts and blogs about Adam. Those fans could not vote, so not at all helping him win.

  • Mel1

    Speaking of Roger Taylor, when is Adam going to have a concert with Queen? Roger spoke so highly of Adam, and he really did want to work with him. Maybe Adam’s “people” want him to become more popular in the UK – ? Even recently Monte said Queen and Adam should perform together.

  • TLKC

    Sorry, Hazahel, wasn’t suggesting that you thought Taylor made it up.

    It’s interesting that AI8 results are still such a hot topic. Not to reinforce my image as a potentially serious gambler, but I bet Idol could raise more than a million dollars for the charity of it’s choice if it offered up the actual results to AI8.

    RE: tonight – I more or less hope that Scotty wins. His tendency to coast is partly the judges fault and hopefully Jimmy will push him hard in the post-season.

    Lauren would be a better concert-closer than him, though, because she really aims to please.

  • TLKC

    I would happily bankrupt myself to attend an Adam/Queen concert.

    Did James tweet that he’s been put on “voice-rest?” If this is true and Lee DeWyze also isn’t performing then, WTF? It is American Idol not “Pitch Your Latest Project.”

    If this keeps up then Idol may be able to start charging for performance spots.

  • TLKC

    Mel1: is everyone at dinner or is there a new thread?

  • Q3

    It’s interesting that AI8 results are still such a hot topic. Not to reinforce my image as a potentially serious gambler, but I bet Idol could raise more than a million dollars for the charity of it’s choice if it offered up the actual results to AI8.

    I am almost sure they could.

    They could probably raise even more for a revote.

  • http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~hansenkd/BrahmsGuides MahlerFan

    I really need to retract any comments demanding or hoping that Haley’s (or anybody else’s) single would be performed last night. Nigel put on an awesome, well-paced show, and an original song would have been jarring–wouldn’t have fit. And Haley’s performance with Tony Bennett was a beautiful moment. I’m sure she is happy as a clam right now. I only hope that the song she puts out is decent.