Allison Iraheta – The Ellen Degeneres Show – VIDEO

Day-im… she KILLED that! What a great performance! So happy for Alison!

good job alli but wth is with the hair. the back has too much extensions going on there or the extension is loose and sticking out.. looks weird.

did she get a sit down with ellen? or was it just singing?

Couple thoughts:

1. She killed that.
2. Her guitar player looks like Adam Lambert.
3. Great outfit – good look for her.
4. She reminds me of Dilana here.
5. How the hell did this girl only sell 30,000 albums here first week?

P.S., Love Allison but HATE that little finger-flippy hand thing she does (reminds me of Mariah Carey). Allison, don’t do that

Allison opening for Adam Lambert on his Spring Tour?

Now THAT would be a concert to see.

Way to go Allie!

my oh my! This girl’s got some serious rock swagger there. I know it’s a poppy song but she manages to give me goosebumps with her energy!!
VERY credible as a rock artist (unlike, dare I say it…?)

VERY credible as a rock artist (unlike, dare I say it’ ¦?)

And get caught in the endless cycle of saying such things each time a new rock-sounding appears? Hmm.

(That said, she absolutely can be credible as a rock artist. But I’m just being charitable here)

That was fun! Allison sounded great and I love that she has girls in her band! Just looks cool (and they sounded good, too, btw).

Ellen seems to be the only show giving the audience copies of the cds for this year’s Idols. Hmmm, do the labels provide that or does Ellen buy them to give away (thinking sales here–hey why not?)?

As usual, great job for Allison.

I like her hair like that and I liked that outfit.

I like Allison but I hate this song. lol I wish they would release a new single for her stat!

Wowza! What an energetic performance. Loved it. Thanks mj.

Great job by Allison and the band.

Maybe this will act as a deFIBOUlator?

Wow I loved the ending. She was really flying there, and the band sounds better and better every time. Awesome!

And she looked adorable. Love that skirt.

Thanks for posting! She did much better than on GMA, where she seemed so nervous! Did Ellen interview her too?

I really hope her label treats her like a developing artist. She’s so talented.

I don’t love this song (at all), but I like it a helluva lot better live than on the album, so I hope she gets more gigs and can promote it. I guess no interview.

Love the dress, and agree that the hair looks a tad odd.

No personality, Simon? YEAH, RIGHT.

The hair is all rocker Allison. It’s all good. Better than on GMA, not that that was bad. This song is so much better live though. I noticed she ommits most of the poppy “Oh Yeah”s from the live-rocked out versions. Even if this si a pop song, the rock just pours out of her. I love her band too. That drummer is as energetic as Allison.

Allison opening for Adam Lambert on his Spring Tour?

Now THAT would be a concert to see.

No, just NO.

Rock Goddess !!

Great voice, great performance, great outfit. I’m so happy for her.
Btw, still can’t find the CD in Toronto /CA/. I’ve been looking for days…

Awesome performance! great energy all around. her band is really rockin. and im liking her single. its so her. nothing serious and a bit on the pop side, w/c is fine, bacause she knows to rock the heck out of it.

Love her – that voice is so amazing. Can’t believe she’s 17 either – that’s such an old soul of a voice.

I’m an eighties kid. I love that big hair. Especially with that color. Awesome.

She is so great live! I like her album, but I miss the raw energy of performances like this.

Thanks mj for posting this.
I missed the show ’cause I was taking a final Exam.

I love the outfit and everything. She looks so pretty here.
That performance was great. The band sounded really great too.

fusion8, If you like her single, by all means get the album CD! It rocks!

I looooooved it I am going to order her album, I hope they have it on Amazon UK
she is a little bit manic on the stage, but I can live with it – her voice is just GREAT and her outfit – perfection, Best of luck Allison

Allison needs to spend all of her free time looking at videos of Stevie Nicks and Pat Benatar, Grace Slick and the Wilson sisters, Debbie Harry and Grace Jones and other great women rock stars. Right now she looks pretty spazzy and seems to be just screaming. Nothing interesting about her performance. She has a very long way to go to even be in the same breath as the women of rock. Right now she is just a wannabe Pink without the soul.

PRMari
12/07/2009 at 12:32 pm

The hair is all rocker Allison. It’s all good. Better than on GMA, not that that was bad. This song is so much better live though. I noticed she ommits most of the poppy ‘Oh Yeah’ s from the live-rocked out versions. Even if this si a pop song, the rock just pours out of her. I love her band too. That drummer is as energetic as Allison.

Allison opening for Adam Lambert on his Spring Tour?

Now THAT would be a concert to see.

No, just NO.

Agree with all of the above, but especially the No, just NO.

Let me just add:

A thousand times NO!

Ohhhh, alli lurker, we have to know what you think of this outfit! I think it’s the craziest one since the Pebbles outfit (which I thought was great, btw).

I decided I couldn’t wait until the 4:00 Ellen airing here — had to watch it online.

Better than the GMA performance all around. She added a few very cool embellishments. Coming out of the bridge (such as it is), I thought she was going to murder the microphone! Fantastic!

mitchellvii: P.S., Love Allison but HATE that little finger-flippy hand thing she does (reminds me of Mariah Carey). Allison, don’t do that

Allison, keep doing the T-rex arm/hand stuff! It’s so cool. Reminds me of the late 60s.

hoosiermama: Ellen seems to be the only show giving the audience copies of the cds for this year’s Idols. Hmmm, do the labels provide that or does Ellen buy them to give away (thinking sales here’“hey why not?)?

I think Ellen gives the audience CDs of all the artists who perform on her show, not just Idols. No idea whether they’re freebies from the labels.

IdolyEverAfter: I really hope her label treats her like a developing artist. She’s so talented.

I think that’s been their plan all along, because they said right at the beginning that they wanted her early on in the season and didn’t care how high she finished on the show — in other words, they weren’t planning on her having much of an AI fanbase right out of the gate.

PRMari: This song is so much better live though. I noticed she ommits most of the poppy ‘Oh Yeah’ s from the live-rocked out versions.

And on the ones she leaves in, she delivers them in so much more of a rock voice. Too bad Max Martin didn’t let her do that in the studio — that alone would have made that version much better.

nina.t: Btw, still can’t find the CD in Toronto /CA/. I’ve been looking for days’ ¦

Can you get it from Amazon?

Agree with all of the above, but especially the No, just NO.

A thousand times NO!

Lol, you guys are soooo wrong. That would be amazing concert.

Mrs.P – she’s got a greeeeeaaaaat voice, but I agree with you that her stage presence is a little bit manic – she needs to control that. I think that I would have concentrated more on her voice if she hadn’t jumped around so much. But from I have heard about her, she is just like a sparkle – that’s her personality, it would be hard for her to change it right now, especially when she is full of adrenaline…

Mrs.P: Allison needs to spend all of her free time looking at videos of Stevie Nicks and Pat Benatar, Grace Slick and the Wilson sisters, Debbie Harry and Grace Jones and other great women rock stars. Right now she looks pretty spazzy and seems to be just screaming. Nothing interesting about her performance. She has a very long way to go to even be in the same breath as the women of rock. Right now she is just a wannabe Pink without the soul.

Simon, is that you?

I loved how she looked. Love her rocker hair with the pig-tails in back. Loved her outfit, very cute and age appropriate. And of course loved her rocking out to this song. Great voice, love the band and love her attitude.

Forgot to mention earlier that I’m so thrilled that every one of her bandmates can sing. The harmony arrangement in the chorus is just wonderful.

The guitar player dyed his hair and now looks like an Adam clone. lol

I think Allison is cool. She’s so young and she will just keep getting better and better.

rockchick: The guitar player dyed his hair and now looks like an Adam clone.

He looked like that before anyone had heard of Adam. Maybe Adam is a David Immerman clone…

I love Alli’s hair and outfit. I hope she doesn’t watch the videos of any rocker chicks. She needs to be Alli, spazzing and all!

Mrs.P
12/07/2009 at 1:34 pm

Allison needs to spend all of her free time looking at videos of Stevie Nicks and Pat Benatar, Grace Slick and the Wilson sisters, Debbie Harry and Grace Jones and other great women rock stars. Right now she looks pretty spazzy and seems to be just screaming. Nothing interesting about her performance. She has a very long way to go to even be in the same breath as the women of rock. Right now she is just a wannabe Pink without the soul.

Mrs. P, have you seen the AOL Session video of Trouble Is? Have you viewed any of the unplugged versions of Don’t Waste the Pretty? Have you seen the AOL Session of DWTP? Have you heard any of the other songs from Allison’s album?

I would be interested if you still think 17 year old Allison is a screamer, without soul, after listening to Trouble Is. And, if you view the TI video, you will see that her gestures fit the song – IMO not spazzy at all.

As for Grace Slick – just saw a Biography a couple of nights ago. She was working at I Magnum in SF when her husband suggested starting a garage band, The Great Society. With no professional background, she thought it beat working in the department store, so she went along with it. A very short time after the GS was formed, Signe Anderson got pregnant and left the Jefferson Airplane. They hired Grace S. to replace her. A quote from Grace (approximate) “My biggest asset was that I was loud.” I was in the SF Bay Area during that era and went to a lot of Airplane concerts. In my opinion Allison Iraheta is no Grace Slick, although she resembles her (in style) in many ways – she is way, way better. And, even at her age, and coming through the Idol express route, she has way more experience than Grace Slick had when she joined the Airplane.

Nothing personal, but please give Allison a chance by checking out some of her other material.

jordison: In my opinion Allison Iraheta is no Grace Slick, although she resembles her (in style) in many ways ‘“ she is way, way better.

Agreed. Except that I’d rephrase it as: “Allison Iraheta is way, way better than [insert any singer's name here].”

The mere thought of Allison not having any soul just cracks me up. I’ve heard the famous soul singers — Aretha etc. — and as impressive as they are/were, no singer ever gave me chills until I heard Allison sing Papa Was A Rolling Stone. That’s soul.

JohnM
12/07/2009 at 2:24 pm

jordison: In my opinion Allison Iraheta is no Grace Slick, although she resembles her (in style) in many ways ‘“ she is way, way better.

Agreed. Except that I’d rephrase it as: ‘Allison Iraheta is way, way better than [insert any singer's name here].’ 

The mere thought of Allison not having any soul just cracks me up. I’ve heard the famous soul singers ‘” Aretha etc. ‘” and as impressive as they are/were, no singer ever gave me chills until I heard Allison sing Papa Was A Rolling Stone.

For me the chills came from Someone to Watch Over Me – not exactly soulless (is that a word?) screaming.

she definitely’s got soul that girl she showed it the first time around, when she sang Heart, and it was better from then on
I do think she should work on her moves, though – just to reach her stride
you go girl

soulless (is that a word?)

Not when you’re talking about The Great Red Hope.

Great comment Jordison!

Jordison, right on the money as usual. I’ll take it step further; how about modern rockers like Courtney Love, Louise Post(Veruca Salt), Alanis Morissette and even Bjork. They rocked the stage with their unique vocal footprint that seperated them from the bubble gum blandness and Barbies of their time. Not to mention the male vocalists like Axl Rose and Sebastian Bach – they left their mark in history – and were a shot in the arm in the world of rock n roll. There are no female vocalist like Allison in the music industry today with her rampage style vocal bandwidth. Let’s see what happens, coz I’m seeing a developing cult style loyal following – similar to AFIs following – a grassroots developement if you will.

BTW,

Thank you mj for posting this video. Ellen doesn’t air until 4:00 PM PST (7:00 EST).

PattyH
12/07/2009 at 2:12 pm

I love Alli’s hair and outfit. I hope she doesn’t watch the videos of any rocker chicks. She needs to be Alli, spazzing and all!

I really agree with you on this, on that she needs to keep being herself.
But then I think she can watch them for fun, as long as it’s not meant for educational purposes.

I kind of love her hand motions in her performances. I don’t really know if it’s something she can control. Since she always seems to get so into her performances when she’s moving her arms around. It really adds something I think. Sure it’s not necessary with the pipes that she has, but it’s Allison from what I’ve seen.

She’s definitely a fun performer to watch. I watched this video over a few times or more today, so now I’d better get back to work.

Hi y’all! The best Friday yet. I see that the mother lions have been doing their work. I haven’t had time to read everything, but only want to add this:

Mrs.P: Allison needs to spend all of her free time looking at videos of Stevie Nicks and Pat Benatar, Grace Slick and the Wilson sisters, Debbie Harry and Grace Jones and other great women rock stars.

Why? Are you suggesting she clones/copies someone? If her style/talent gets “infected” by that of others, she may loose her uniqueness, and people would then chastize her for not being original.
And by “infected” I don’t mean to suggest that those you mention are not amazing in their own way. But it is “their own way” what makes them amazing. Most likely, they were all influenced by others (just like Allison is by, for example, Pink). But in the end, success comes from being yourself.
Parapharsing: Should I dye my hair blonde to make those two people happy, or should I stay true to myself … It’s better to stay true to yourself and make yourself happy, and hopefully that will come through in your performances. Allison at Idolatry, part 5 (from memory, heh).

BTW, JohnM, I caved in and watched the embedded video – after I saw you(hardcore Alli fan) and figured it wouldn’t hurt.

Cant wait to see it in something wider than 320×200 or somethng resolution. lol

Great performance.

As far as touring in the spring, Allison should stay as far from *d*m L*mb*rt as possible.

mitchellvii
Allison opening for Adam Lambert on his Spring Tour?
Now THAT would be a concert to see …

How can so many wrongs be packed in such a short statement?

That would be amazing concert.

For me (for you), half of it will be … .
Seriously though, they really have gone in (very, very) different directions, so I don’t think is a good fit.
I know, I know. I said in the past that Seacrest’s Kradison gig was good for Allison, and it may still be, since Kris is also there and is a one-time thing.
But after the AMAs, God know what would happen in an actual concert. I don’t think is good for Allison to be associated with that.

Lol, you guys are soooo wrong. That would be amazing concert.

I don’t really care whether it’s amazing or not. I just think Allison needs to distance herself as much as possible from Adam Lambert and Idol. The mere suggestion that she should open for Adam who is as new an artist as she is, doesn’t sit well with me. She should open for established musicians who fit her same style of music and that is not Adam. They’re not even making the same type of music.

Allison opening for Adam Lambert on his Spring Tour?

Now THAT would be a concert to see.

No, just NO.

I’ll see your “No, just NO,” PRMari and raise you a “Hell to the NO.”

ETA: They’re not even making the same type of music.

Exactly.

Also, the guitarist is “copying Adam’s look?” LOLOL. That look pre-dates Adam by a good long while.

Nothing against Adam, but Allison was not created from Adam’s rib.

And it not good for Adam either. He needs to get with an established act, like Lady Gaga, or Subtle Sexuality .

There are no female vocalist like Allison in the music industry today with her rampage style vocal bandwidth.

What an awesome description — and I totally agree.

Most current (and many previous era) female rock vocalists sound thin next to her. IMO you have to go over to the R&B genre to find any female vocalist with the depth of tone Allison has and then, well, they’re singing R&B, not rock. She brings something unique to the party and I have a feeling that depth and tone will only get better. Hard to believe it could but there’s that thing about how she’s “only 17.” (This still floors me when I think about it.)

She already has remarkable control for her age — not perfect by any means, but she beats a lot of older singers by a mile. I am so looking forward to listening to her for a long, long time.

::everything crossed that this happens::

Nothing against Adam, but Allison was not created from Adam’s rib.

I love this because it’s true.

What an awesome description ‘” and I totally agree.

Yes — that word “rampage” jumped off the screen and rampaged through my brain! Perfect.

Let’s see what happens, coz I’m seeing a developing cult style loyal following ‘“ similar to AFIs following ‘“ a grassroots developement if you will.

I hope you’re right. I’ve thought for a while that she might be an artist who needs to build success by getting in front of as many live audiences as possible and knocking their socks off rather than making it via the radio route. It’s cool to watch the non-Alliologists come into these threads and go “Wow!”

JohnM totally gets it, in his post of 1:43 today. Allison has an amazing voice. Yet, she is coming off as being frantic.

I’d add, that I am seeing that, not only in her performances, but in her interviews, as well. Some video studies would be so beneficial to her.

I’d really like to see her around for a long time. Amazing talent. She just needs refining.

Wow this was amazing. Much better than GMA. The outfit was adorable, the hair was better, the band was tighter, the singing was even better, of course Allison’s singing is always good, but the rough spots from the other morning were all ironed out. AMAZING!! She is such an incredible singer. I hope a lot of people saw this today or see it on youtube. I assume it’s on youtube. I’m going to tweet the link to it here or on youtube. Hope other fans do the same. Wow, just wow.

Opening for Adam — no no no. American Idol is over. They each have their own careers, let them do their own thing. The AI tour is over. I hope she tours with a rocker, and maybe someone closer to her age. (Why does everything have to be about Adam, groan. Allison is her own person. They are friends but this is her career and he has his own.)

ETA: I didn’t think Allison was frantic in this. More so on GMA. Today was much better. She learns fast. She’s young and energetic. I don’t see why a few people fixate on the hand movements. Does anyone remember Janis Joplin? She practically had spasms when she sang. How about Joe Cocker? Little Richard? Allisons feels the music, to her toes and fingers. Why would anyone want to squelch her or reign her in? She’s a force of nature, let her find her own balance. There’s no reason to try to make her like other singers either. I’m very glad to be seeing her in these early outings because a few years from now it will be hard to remember how raw she was now. She’s already an artist, it’s all within her.

Allison Iraheta is a BRILLIANT vocalist. She is not a screamer or a “soulless” singer in any way. Her talent and her stage presence are amazing, specialy when you consider her age.
Having said that, since I started to watch the videos of her performances during the tour, I couldn’t help but think that she was overcompensating for the (ridiculous) acusations of being “boring” or “not likable” during AI8. I thought that she was jumping and moving A LOT, like she was on meth or something. In her performance on Ellen, I kept trying to focus on her face and I couldn’t. The camera couldn’t either. She was jumping around so much that the camera couldn’t focus on her face. Allison is crazy talented, and she is really young. She has a lot to learn, and I think with time she will improve her performance skills and hopefully become a very successful singer. She doesn’t need to copy any other female rocker that came before her. She just needs time to grow up. She’s just a teenager for god sakes.

Bethlyn
12/07/2009 at 5:42 pm

JohnM totally gets it, in his post of 1:43 today. Allison has an amazing voice. Yet, she is coming off as being frantic.

I’d add, that I am seeing that, not only in her performances, but in her interviews, as well. Some video studies would be so beneficial to her.

I’d really like to see her around for a long time. Amazing talent. She just needs refining.

Are you sure you’re talking about JohnM here? From what I’ve read of his posts I get the impression that he likes her just the way she is, no refining needed. But be sure to yell at me and call me out if I’m wrong in that impression, JohnM.
He did quote what MrsP said in one of his posts around that time though. And she seemed to say what you’re agreeing with.

But then again, I’m incredibly tired today, so I might not reading/thinking clearly when I get curious and read other comments.

Just want to make sure I’m not loosing it though.

I’ll just add a comment that I really don’t think it would really be beneficial to her to do video studies. To me it seems a little absurd. It could take away part of what makes her Allison. Part of what I love about this girl is that she is so real, and has a lot of uniqueness about her.

ETA:
Others have had similar thoughts, but I thought it was worth repeating that most of what makes Allison different from other artists makes her all the more likable.

I don’t mind not being able to catch their faces, I just want to get high on the performance. Her foresister did it before her, most notably her twin sister Linda Perry (4NoneBlondes) even though she’s playing guitar, and Alanis and a bunch more that Im too tired to do the legwork. But check them out anyway – Allison is in good company. The future is hers

Hey you guys — my wife just told me (she saw it in the Mediabase thread) that Z100 has Allison on their online request form — not just FIBOU, but… Don’t Waste The Pretty!

Course, now that I’ve gotten you all excited, it occurs to me that their request form might be auto-generated based on any songs that they’ve played on the air. And they did air DWTP (live) last week. So its inclusion might not be a “conscious” decision by the station. But I’ll still take it!

btw, before you go off and request it there — I’ve heard that (at least some) stations keep track of the IP addresses that requests come from, and thus you shouldn’t request a song unless you live in the station’s broadcast area or they’ll ignore it. However, I can’t vouch for the accuracy of that statement, so if anyone knows more about this, please speak up. And it does seem a little suspect given that people do listen to far-away stations over the web. I know that the station I listen to has a lot of far-away listeners because their playlist is so unusual.

Here’s a page at David Cook’s site that my wife pointed me to — it has a bunch of rules/information about requesting:
http://www.davidcookofficial.com/us/content/spamalot-or-quickest-way-send-david-cook-down-clay-aikens-career-path

Vital: From what I’ve read of his posts I get the impression that he likes her just the way she is, no refining needed. But be sure to yell at me and call me out if I’m wrong in that impression, JohnM.

Ain’t gonna yell at ya, because you got it exactly right. I look forward to seeing how she grows and improves over the years, but she’s already one version of perfect, so to speak, right now.

I didn’t think she was “frantic” or “manic” in that performance at all. I thought she did an excellent job of being her usual energetic self while still staying home in center stage for the cameras. What oceana said about Joplin/Cocker/Little Richard is exactly why I said earlier that she reminds me of the late 60s. And no, I don’t think she was too wild for the camera to follow. I rewatched it looking specifically for that, and the inability to see her face clearly was almost always because the director kept cutting and shooting her from the side.

He did quote what MrsP said in one of his posts around that time though. And she seemed to say what you’re agreeing with.

The reason I quoted her was so that I could respond by saying, “Simon, is that you?” I was trying to find a non-nasty way of saying that absolutely everything she said was so incredibly stupendously wrong. Hmm, see what I did there??

oceana: of course Allison’s singing is always good, but the rough spots from the other morning were all ironed out.

Well, not quite — she did still miss a couple of high notes, but not by nearly as much and in far fewer number. Probably still mix problems.

But yeah, this was much better than the GMA performance. And she worked the camera really well at a few points — flashing some cool looks.

I think I am developing a crush on Valerie. What is it about drummers!

You know it! LoveDaDrummer!

She is so freaking fierce/cool/fun, and does some of the kind of stuff I like on the drums.

JohnM:
I didn’t think she was ‘frantic’  or ‘manic’  in that performance at all. I thought she did an excellent job of being her usual energetic self while still staying home in center stage for the cameras.

I think she was fine as well. The only thing I noticed, which she did early on the Idol Tour, was to have her back to the audience/camera at the finish of the song. She needs to finish facing the audience.

I remember in Portland she would start to walk off at the end of Cry Baby before acknowledging the audience. However, I think it only took a couple peformances before she corrected that habit.

On Ellen she was facing Valerie at the end, (I think it’s OK to interact with the musicians during the song) but did quickly turn to the audience. Still, I’ve noticed she has a hard time standing still and acknowledging applause, almost as if she’s embarrassed.

I think she’ll quickly correct that.

Had to be out and about today and made a conscious decision to wait to watch Ellen on the tube. I have to admit I dropped a couple of ‘f bombs’ when I saw she was singing Friday, since I was hoping for acoustic DWTP. That being said I thought it was her best performance of Friday so far.

JohnM
Ohhhh, alli lurker, we have to know what you think of this outfit! I think it’s the craziest one since the Pebbles outfit (which I thought was great, btw).

Haha, JohnM! I loved it… totally adorable, totally age appropriate, totally fits the song. Loved her hair, too. Very cute. I probably wouldn’t want to see her wearing that for any other song except Robot Love, though.

oceana
I didn’t think Allison was frantic on this.

Me, neither! I was actually surprised to read that other people thought she was. (Loved the Joe Cocker comment, too!) The only movement that Allison has done that bothered me was something I called ‘floppy arm’ – a repeated up and down movement at the elbow (add it to Alliology) – that she used a lot during the finale (and maybe some excessive spazz on Conan). She seems to be controlling it now, though. Of course, I’d never want to see her totally controlled. She just feels it all and lets it go – to our benefit.

Mrs. P
Right now she is just a wannabe Pink without the soul.

C’mon is this a set-up? (Must control urge to type all cap obscenities…) Why Mrs. P, I beg to differ. While Friday is certainly not a song that has soul – its intended to be the opposite – Allison has mega soul which you undoubtably will be able to enjoy for the rest of your life.

ETA: Oh god, my posts are starting to look like JohnM’s!!

I LOVED this! <3

Allison ROCKS!

Her band ROCKS!

That is all.

The only movement that Allison has done that bothered me was something I called ‘floppy arm’ ‘“ a repeated up and down movement at the elbow (add it to Alliology) ‘“ that she used a lot during the finale (and maybe some excessive spazz on Conan).

Isn’t this also known as T-Rex arm?

Other necessary subjects to be taken in Alliology:

Allispeak – including:

allitwitterspeak (I haven’t taken this course yet)

whisperspeak: New addition. Has Allison been watching The Middle? Or, this could be derived from Ana Faris’ throatytalk name repeat from the House Bunny. Needs further investigation.

Also, use of “man.” To be applied in conversation with any person, age or sex, she comes in contact with. Believed to be the result of watching too many old Janis Joplin videos. Not known yet if she has an “old man.”

Good performance. She gets better every time she performs her own stuff.

Allison is a long way from being a true rocker. As far as female rockers these days; Lzzy Hale of Halestorm, Hayley Williams of Paramore and Lacey Mosley of Flyleaf, are considered three of the best. The main difference between them and Allison is all three were in bands and writing there own stuff back when Allison was watching the first season of American Idol. They also have a shared musical background with their bands, having for the most part grown up with most of the members. And its that experience and musical background which puts them on top. Allison won’t have that anytime soon, unless she chooses to turn from being a female vocalist and gets into a band.

It doesn’t mean she can’t have a rock vibe. But, unless she puts in the work to develop her own music, she won’t be accepted as a rocker.

jordison – Isn’t this also known as T-Rex arm?

‘Floppy arm’ to me is way more pronounced. Anything else she does with her arms could be t-rex arm (especially horizontally).

I’m sure we could come up with some alli-isms, too!

alli lurker: The only movement that Allison has done that bothered me was something I called ‘floppy arm’ ‘“ a repeated up and down movement at the elbow (add it to Alliology) ‘“ that she used a lot during the finale

Hey, I love that move! Especially in the finale.

(Must control urge to type all cap obscenities’ ¦) Why Mrs. P, I beg to differ.

ROFLMAO!

Oh god, my posts are starting to look like JohnM’s!!

Hey, I resemble that remark! (to quote another illustrious poster here…)

chessguy99: Allison is a long way from being a true rocker. As far as female rockers these days; Lzzy Hale of Halestorm, Hayley Williams of Paramore and Lacey Mosley of Flyleaf, are considered three of the best. The main difference between them and Allison is all three were in bands and writing there own stuff back when Allison was watching the first season of American Idol. They also have a shared musical background with their bands, having for the most part grown up with most of the members.

Yeah, well, if that’s how you define “rocker”, whatever. A rocker is someone who rocks.

But, unless she puts in the work to develop her own music, she won’t be accepted as a rocker.

Now, there you’ve hit the nail on the head — “being accepted as a rocker” — by the snobs at so-called “rock” radio. There are tons of rock acts who aren’t accepted by those snobs. And putting in the work to develop your own music doesn’t guarantee “acceptance” by those snobs. David Cook has been putting in that work for more than a decade, but he’ll never be accepted by so-called “rock” radio.

I couldn’t care less if Allison ever gets accepted by those snobs. They’d never accept just about any act I listen to, which are mostly alt-rock acts.

Sorry, that subject really gets my dander up.

Looks like Allison’s AOL Sessions on YouTube are being removed. Anybody have a clue when they’re going to be up on AOL?

mj?

that performance was sick, amazing, rock…ahh gotta go watch it again and again!!!!!! I could see her face just fine by the way..there wasn’t that much jumping around…and did she take off her shoe at the end?? I just saw that on Ellen, if so …that’s so rocking !

Did Janis Joplin write her own music? I’m too lazy to do the research, but I don’t think so. I kinda, maybe, think she was accepted as a rocker…

JohnM- Hey, I love that move! Especially in the finale.

Really? It bugged me – maybe I bug easy!

Not to belabor this, but I wanted to add to a previous post to further define what I was talking about (and couldn’t get back in)… Anyway, she did it when she was standing next to Adam when Kris was singing NoBo and she also did it singing backup for Fergie. I kept thinking ‘why is she doing that?’ The only thing I can think of was that it was half of a ‘I’m not worthy’ move from Wayne’s World.

You’re talking about her flailing arm.

As someone who likes Allison a lot but is not (yet) a card-carrying fan club member, I must say I have been enjoying these Allison threads the last couple of weeks. Most of the discussion is about her music and her performances — very detailed analysis in some cases.

I have not followed Allison as closely as many on this thread, but her talent amazes me. I feel pretty certain we are watching the beginning of something that will not peak for another decade, which is a pretty spectacular thought given where she is right now.

alli lurker
12/07/2009 at 9:08 pm

Did Janis Joplin write her own music? I’m too lazy to do the research, but I don’t think so. I kinda, maybe, think she was accepted as a rocker’ ¦

Summertime – I don’t think so.
Ball and Chain – I don’t think so.
etc.

She just mostly did a whole bunch of covers. No originality there. She sang with Big Brother for a while, got too big for her britches, and had a couple of backup bands put together to showcase her. Obviously not a true rocker.

Check this out from Wolfgang’s Vault.

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/janis-joplin/

PRMari – You’re talking about her flailing arm.

Oooooh, its already been defined. Never mind… Thanks PRMari!

As someone who likes Allison a lot but is not (yet) a card-carrying fan club member, I must say I have been enjoying these Allison threads the last couple of weeks. Most of the discussion is about her music and her performances ‘” very detailed analysis in some cases.

Thats JohnM… he’s nutso.

Allison is lip syncing… please tell me I’m wrong.

You’re wrong.

What?

csprof
12/07/2009 at 9:26 pm

As someone who likes Allison a lot but is not (yet) a card-carrying fan club member,

From a movie that maybe is too old for most to remember:

“Card? You don’t need a stinkin card to be an Allison fan.”

Ladyhelix
12/07/2009 at 9:35 pm

Allison is lip syncing’ ¦ please tell me I’m wrong.

That is not the album version of FIBOU.

From my replay of the video, it does seem like it’s lip syncing.

Allison is lip syncing’ ¦ please tell me I’m wrong.

That’s happened before. There was another clip last week that was slightly out of sync. It may have been the GMA one. Very annoying when it happens.

jordison – Check this out from Wolfgang’s Vault.

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/janis-joplin/

Wow! Great read, so many quotables… I’ll choose this…

The quintet released their self-titled debut album in 1967 and subsequently hoped to capitalize on a substantial buzz, mostly stemming from their performance at the Monterey Pop Festival a few months before the disc was released. While the album was only moderately successful commercially, it introduced the world to Joplin’s frenetic, passionate vocal style.

Kinda sounds like the idol experience.

Piece of My Heart…. cover.
Me and Bobby McGee….. cover.

Allison is lip syncing’ ¦ please tell me I’m wrong.

Yup, you’re wrong. It’s just that video and audio aren’t synchronized. Just look at her drummer, the movements don’t go witht he sound. Allison would never lip synch…she doesn’t need that.

chessguy99 : Allison is a long way from being a true rocker. As far as female rockers these days; Lzzy Hale of Halestorm, Hayley Williams of Paramore and Lacey Mosley of Flyleaf, are considered three of the best.

There aren’t any true rockers in today’s scene. Those names you dropped aren’t even underground acts, but commercially produced by major labels – one of them included in a soundtrack for a pseudo teen film(newmoon). Rock is a lifestyle, a mannerism, swagger – one you can’t fabricate or pose to be one – just ask Slash, he should know a thing or two about living and breathing rock. When you ask him, be sure to listen to what he has to say about Allison. (its well documented)

The main difference between them and Allison is all three were in bands and writing there own stuff back when Allison was watching the first season of American Idol.

That is not the main difference. The difference is she can sell her material better than any of the pseudo bands you stated. And writing music isn’t the ultimate indicator of a true rocker either, especially if you’re writing crap just for the sake of writing. Freddie Mercury wrote and approved all sessions for Queen. He would go through Brian May’s solos with a fine tooth comb and had him work hard for his solos. The same with Eddie Van Halen. In his case, he wouldn’t let David Lee roth touch the music, it was all Eddie & his brother, and there’s good evidence Curt Cobain wrote most if not all of Nirvana’s music. Very few bands had success writing collectively – though eventually ending up crashing and burning.

They also have a shared musical background with their bands, having for the most part grown up with most of the members. And its that experience and musical background which puts them on top. Allison won’t have that anytime soon, unless she chooses to turn from being a female vocalist and gets into a band.

Thats an opinion, and there’s plenty, if not overwhelming evidence to point otherwise. For instance, just to name one Trent Reznor. Nuff said! He was and always will be the heart of Nine Inch Nails. Band members are interchangeable parts – Trent wrote everything – down to the liner notes, and he is well respected in the community for his brilliance and authenticity.

It doesn’t mean she can’t have a rock vibe. But, unless she puts in the work to develop her own music, she won’t be accepted as a rocker.

Accepted by who? Todays so called rockers?
Her authenticity and mannerism alone will carry her for the time being at 17. Her performance on stage of breathing and living the music is on par, at her tender age, to that of the greats. And she does what she wants – that in and of itself – highlights the definition of rock, and deserves respect.

Everybody knows who Allison is at the core, she has the mark, the conviction and the capacity to develop into something we haven’t seen in a long long time. There’s no stopping her, not even harsh comments that sometimes trips her a little at just 17. Five years from now, watch out. Trying to bring her down, will be like trying to stop a charging rhino with darts.

Cry Baby was a cover too.

Ladyhelix
Allison is lip syncing’ ¦ please tell me I’m wrong.

I know, she sounds that good live.

LoveDaRocker
12/07/2009 at 10:14 pm

Cry Baby was a cover too.

Cry Baby was on the Pearl album, arguably Janis’ best and last album, recorded right before she died. I felt like the Idol judges totally disrespected the significance or importance of this song.

I’m sure Allison, barely 17 at the time, had an emotional connection and deeper feeling for the relevance of this song to rock and roll than the judges. And that’s what really pissed me off – listening to her have to defend her choice of song. There – I said it.

BTW – Janis only co-wrote one song on the Pearl album.

Still, somehow, she got into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Amazing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_%28album%29

Allison is a long way from being a true rocker. As far as female rockers these days; Lzzy Hale of Halestorm, Hayley Williams of Paramore and Lacey Mosley of Flyleaf, are considered three of the best.

Really? Because the rock snobs I know thing they are posers. LOL. I say that not beccause I necessarily agree, but because the world of rock is so diverse. My headbanging friends don’t necessarily agree with my indie hipster friends on what makes good rock. And I’m not sure what constitues rock radio… I listen to XMU (satellite– at home) and XRT (adult alternative) in the car.

Allison was signed because of her voice, not because she placed 4th. Jive made that clear in the initial press release. I expect them to treat her as a new artist. So far, I’m impressed. She’s awesome. Love her.

BTW ‘“ Janis only co-wrote one song on the Pearl album.

Allison only co-wrote one song on Just Like You.

LoveDaRocker
Allison only co-wrote one song on Just Like You.

Okay, this is getting spooky….

Hey alli lurker, you still there?

Rub
And she does what she wants ‘“ that in and of itself ‘“ highlights the definition of rock, and deserves respect.

Rub – I love that. Respect to you, too, man.

I always loved on Idol that she would sometimes laugh at the judges comments – most notably after Simon’s comment re: her personality following I Can’t Make You Love Me. I thought that was really impressive. It didn’t seem to bother her at all, at least not until the ‘beg’ remark. (Actually all of the comments following Cry Baby seemed to bother her.)

Hey alli lurker, you still there?

Whadda ya want, nutso?

Actually I have to go for a little while – I’ll check back later.

Whadda ya want, nutso?

That’s “geek” to you!

And speaking of which — I wanted to pass along an off-topic explanation. Remember the other night when I was confused about why you called me a geek? That was because, as I discovered later, I skimmed too fast and didn’t even notice that you were calling me a geek because of my Star Wars joke. Once I saw that you quoted my Skywalker reference, it made total sense. I’m not such a geek that I don’t realize I’m a geek.

great performance (as usual!)

On a side note, I just listened To “Joey” by Concrete Blonde and it struck me that Alli would KILL on that song!!

Maybe it`s time for this generation to get introduced to that song!!

Then she would have one more thing in common with Janis

Soberba
Having said that, since I started to watch the videos of her performances during the tour, I couldn’t help but think that she was overcompensating for the (ridiculous) acusations of being ‘boring’  or ‘not likable’  during AI8. I thought that she was jumping and moving A LOT, like she was on meth or something.

Nope. Check out this pre-idol performance. She jumps around so much that half way through the song she’s out of breath LOL. Some of her moves are also out of sync with the music. And its a power balad!
TEOTH

cheeseguy99
It doesn’t mean she can’t have a rock vibe. But, unless she puts in the work to develop her own music, she won’t be accepted as a rocker.

Why the hate! I usually don’t play the “she’s 17″ card, but man, how much work are you asking her to have under her belt at this point, and why are you implying that she wont put the work in the future? She has accomplished more than most so-called “rockers” out there. And, she seems fully committed not only to Rock, but to make a living out of music.

That’s ‘geek’  to you!

Actually its “geek” to all of us, I’m the only one who had the guts to say it…

I bet you didn’t get the nutso joke, either. (my post at 9:31 pm)

Try to keep up, JohnM.

No, I saw the nutso reference! Got a good chuckle out of it.

Actually all of the comments following Cry Baby seemed to bother her

Because they were really odd. She took a song very identifiable with the genre, she (I think) killed it, she looks like a million bucks, and all she hears is “don’t like the song choice; you are nervous; sound alike”.

LoveDaRocker – True. It was hard to watch.

Did I mention how much I love the header photo to this thread? There’s a lot of soul just in that picture!

You know, I almost said the same thing about the photo — mj seems to have a real knack for pulling great screen caps for her Allison threads.

And, the cap for the video includes Valerie …
LoveDaDrummer

Okay, this has been bugging me all day… that I let this slip by without comment…

This one goes out to LoveDaRocker…

Yesterday I said Beat Me Up: Could be a club hit?

NO PUN INTENDED… get it? Club? Hit?

Never mind…

Yesterday I said Beat Me Up: Could be a club hit?

NO PUN INTENDED’ ¦ get it? Club? Hit?

LOL

You know, I almost said the same thing about the photo ‘” mj seems to have a real knack for pulling great screen caps for her Allison threads

That cap is gorgeous, she looks great.

I just thought of why Holiday is not one of my favorites… There’s no heart in it. She has to sing songs with heart (soul, whatever). Period.

It’s also great to just see her rocking out to an in your face song, so Holiday does the trick there. Got to give the girl a break, if she puts more soul into her performance she’ll burn out by age 20.

Well, it is a good thing that chessguy99 is only one opinion on this topic.
Allison will be primarily defined by, what she aspires to, and by her fans,
who will be multitudinous. (understament!) I love it when artists write their own music ,and it truely elevates their art, when it is “good”. There is a lot of, self written, unheard rockers that never go anywhere, but may have great “cred” among a elite, esoteric, but small audience. Consequently they lead the life of a suffering musical poetic headbanger!!!
I’d rather listen to the Dilana’s, Allison’s, and Joplin’s….these are the, primarily, interpreters of the suffering poets.
As for Allison, we don’t know yet what this 17 year old Pop rock singer is going to be capable of as she matures.
So, lets just enjoy what she is doing now and let our $$$ express what we feel about her Pop or rock path!!!!!!

alli lurker

To say that Holiday has no heart in it is pure and utter CRAP!!

Why does my heart go nuts everytime I listen to it then?

U may not like it and that is fine. But no heart? Gimme a friggin break

alli lurker
I just thought of why Holiday is not one of my favorites’ ¦ There’s no heart in it. She has to sing songs with heart (soul, whatever). Period.

Well, not all songs are intended to have heart. Holiday rocks hard and it is great. And, although your comment may sound negative (see matkojapan‘s take on it), I note that you said “not one of my favorites”. This CD is seriously full of great tracks, but not all can fall in every fan’s “favorite” category. Holiday and Trouble Is are my favorites, although D is for Dangerous is growing on me.

alli lurker
Yesterday I said Beat Me Up: Could be a club hit?
NO PUN INTENDED’ ¦ get it? Club? Hit?

That’s actually funny. I have been trying to stay way from BMU-related entries. I don’t want to highlight the only negative I find on the album.

PRMari
Got to give the girl a break, if she puts more soul into her performance she’ll burn out by age 20.

Don’t know how serious your comment is, but she does seem truly emotional in songs like Trouble Is (AOL Sessions). I hope it’s just great acting/performing, and not that she is digging in. I am relieved when I see her make some goofy comment after a performance ends, like her “yeah” after EW’s DWTP.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the intensity. I just hope its safe. I am obviously not a phsycologist.

Think about it…

That’s why Friday works way better in Spanish than English… it has more heart.

That’s why she was in the bottom three on country night… her song had no heart.

These songs have little or no heart…
Friday
Robot Love (sorry, not enough)
Holiday
Beat Me Up

They won’t be hits for her. Mark my words.

I don’t disagree. Although her vocals are great on anything, her ability to express emotion through her vocals is unparalleled. If a song does not have “heart”, that icing is lost. The cake is still awesome though.

They won’t be hits for her. Mark my words.

Done .

Disco night… Hot Stuff…. not enough heart. Bottom 3.

Someone to Watch Over Me… lotsa heart, Top 2.
I Can’t Make You Love Me… lotsa heart, Safe.

Do you remember her Top 36 Introduction Video? They asked about her favorite kind of music. It wasn’t rock… it was soul.

alli lurker

Cry Baby. Slow Ride. Eliminated.

What’s your point again?

Slow Ride – no heart

Cry Baby – Maybe not enough heart first night, second night better. There was other stuff going on that night, too.

NO PUN INTENDED’ ¦ get it? Club? Hit?

“But that song isn’t about physical abuse, you know…”

justjude: As for Allison, we don’t know yet what this 17 year old Pop rock singer is going to be capable of as she matures.
So, lets just enjoy what she is doing now and let our $$$ express what we feel about her Pop or rock path!!!!!!

Very well said!

LoveDaRocker: And, although your comment may sound negative (see matkojapan’s take on it), I note that you said ‘not one of my favorites’ . This CD is seriously full of great tracks, but not all can fall in every fan’s ‘favorite’  category.

Very good point. “Not one of my favorites” isn’t a condemnation. It’s a pretty happy thing to find an album on which you don’t dislike any of the tracks — especially when it’s an album put together by a bunch of different producers under these kinds of conditions. I can most definitely say that I don’t dislike any of the tracks on this album.

Last night, I had a little time to listen before going to bed, but not enough to listen to the whole album, so I decided to play just my top-shelf highlights. I ended up listening to 8 songs! And it would’ve been 9 or maybe 10 if I hadn’t run out of time. Pretty damn awesome, as someone we all admire would say. And to think I started out hoping that there would be a few I liked and one or two standouts…

alli lurker: Cry Baby ‘“ Maybe not enough heart first night, second night better. There was other stuff going on that night, too.

It did have tons of heart, but you’re quite right that there was other stuff going on that night. The AI voting/elimination process is always going to be a capricious thing. But I must say, your theory does seem to hold together pretty well! An interesting observation at the very least.

Most of the discussion is about her music and her performances ‘” very detailed analysis in some cases.

It goes to show Allison’s fan base, although still small, goes from teeny booper little girls that cry when receiving her album (Duran Show), to people in the ‘hood (Allison buying her own Album at Best Buy), to old dudes that remember the old icons (many of the people in this board). I am not that well versed in music, but learn from the posts here – and continue to enjoy her album!

matkojapan to alli lurker
Cry Baby. Slow Ride. Eliminated.
What’s your point again?

I think the overall point is valid. Rock Night was all sorts of wrong. There were 6 permances that night. Danny’s performances where the bottom two performances, with the solo being the worst of the night by a mile, whereas slow ride and cry baby were among the top 3 (WLL, for me, was best). The results clearly did not match what happened on the stage.

LoveDaRocker: whereas slow ride and cry baby were among the top 3 (WLL, for me, was best).

HEATHEN! TRAITOR! And you call yourself an Allison fan!

JohnM
HEATHEN! TRAITOR! And you call yourself an Allison fan!

Just trying to keep Glamberts on board .
Seriously though, I loved WLL. He really nailed it. Have to admit that I check out that video every once in a while.

JohnM
But I must say, your theory does seem to hold together pretty well! An interesting observation at the very least.

Whew! I was wondering what you would say. I truthfully thought it was divine intervention when it came to me…

I’m just saying that her biggest hits will be songs that have some emotion that she can sink her teeth into. I think that’s what we all love the most.

Don’t you guys ever rest? This “old dude”, whose failing memory remembers some of the icons, gets tired.

How early in the morning do you guys start posting?

My favorite newbie saying in these threads: “next to Adam, Allison is my favorite!”

P.S. Next to Allison, Adam is my favorite. (Or, maybe Kris, or Matt.)

I forgot that I wanted to comment on alli lurker’s mention that she said her favorite was soul. Although she had already made my jaw hit the floor with Alone and continued to impress me the next two weeks, it was her Papa performance that first sent me to the heavens. That’s when I thought, “This girl was born to do soul.” That, plus Cry Baby and the lines “Won’t you tell him” and “Oh how I need” from STWOM, is why my “dream genre” for her is blues-rock — it would emphasize her rock side and her soul side.

Soulless, indeed! Hmph.

I don’t agree that Blame it on your heart, Hot Stuff and Cry baby didn’t have enough heart and landed her in the bottom 3 because of that. Heart had nothing to do with that. Blame it on your heart is for me one of her most underrated performances and she was fantastic. Hot stuff didn’t get her the recognition she deserved for having 1) the “ovaries” to attempt that song at 17 and 2) completely change the arrangement in the song and killed it vocally. None of the times she ended up in the bottom 3 had anything to do with her performance and everything to do with the audience.

I do agree that she performs FIBOU in Spanish better than in English but I think that may be because she views the English version as a more kid friendly song and the Spanish version as a more mature song. I know I do.

Per Twitter – Allison’s heading for New York today. Anybody know why?

BTW – Looks like you alliologists have moved on to graduate level courses.

PRMari: Heart had nothing to do with that.

I think that, to whatever extent alli lurker’s theory is valid, it’s a matter of degree. We “true believers” know that she was good every week (yes, I’ve even come around to granting that about the hated Don’t Want To Miss A Thing!) and poured her heart and soul into it every week, but I think she had to be even more stellar than normal in order to overcome all the disadvantages that the show handed her. You and I both have made those same points in the past about Blame It being her most underrated performance and Hot Stuff being a bold move in the same way that Kris’ Heartless was — and one of her “big soul moments” was the “Just rang the phone off the wallllllll” line while sitting (writhing! ) on the stairs during Hot Stuff. But as I think back on her over-ballyhooed familiarity with the bottom 3, I think maybe the audience really needs to be beaten over the head with excellence sometimes, and that maybe some of those performances were “just excellent” rather than “out of this world” and thus were insufficient to overcome the built-in disadvantages enough to avoid the B3. And certainly the Rock Week results confirm your comment (which I’ve also mentioned often) that it had to do with the audience rather than her performance.

So I guess I’d say that the problem was that the show hobbled her and the audience didn’t get it (thank heavens we’re smarter than that ), and that might have made her fortunes more dependent on minor differences in how thoroughly she killed her performances.

jordison: How early in the morning do you guys start posting?

Given the 3-hour difference between here and there, a lot earlier than you west coasters!

And whaddaya mean “you alliologists”? Did you or did you not attest the other day to obsessively studying her Cry Baby tour performances? Hmm?

Per Twitter ‘“ Allison’s heading for New York today. Anybody know why?

Well, she’s got the Z100 Jingle Ball on Friday, so she’ll probably be doing prep for that for some amount of time, and will probably be doing some other promo stuff in conjunction with the trip. Strangely, her street team site currently shows no upcoming events, despite the fact that we know she’s got the Z100 thing, Kimmel, and Fox New Year’s Eve (what day is that one again?).

PRMari – I never thought Allison didn’t give it her all… I just think some of the songs lacked the emotion that she excels at.

I think she’s giving her all on Friday and Holiday, too, but I think there are much better choices on the album that will be much bigger hits for her. Why fight it?

A wise man from ‘ALL buhny’ once said…

One or two of the other performers might feel the music as much as she does, but no one feels it more. As my wife likes to say about great musicians, it just flows through her, and in her case, it explodes out of her.

That’s right JohnM, I bookmarked your review way before I ever posted here. Loved it! Now don’t get all misty on me…

Now don’t get all misty on me’ ¦

More like a little frightened…

Did you or did you not attest the other day to obsessively studying her Cry Baby tour performances?

I still have both of her Idol Cry Baby performances on my DVR, along with the 2 hour finale (just so I can see the Cyndi Lauper duet).

Do I get a prize?

ETA: Prize for craziest, I guess!

Let me jump in the conversation and say that I agree with all of you. I can’t say I disagree with any of the heart & soul comments, because as I’m reading the posts it makes sense, even the counter points. When Alli said that she was into soul, it’s perfectly natural to listen and be a fan of other genres. And I agree with PRMari in that heart has little to do in certain songs as much as MADNESS has to do with some. Allison gets into a zone and let’s her EMOTION dictate her command of the stage. You can try to ask her how she does it, but she can’t help you as she has no recollection. Mozart anyone?
Adam was right! she’s got this spirit about her – she’s gifted!

JohnM:

And whaddaya mean ‘you alliologists’ ? Did you or did you not attest the other day to obsessively studying her Cry Baby tour performances? Hmm?

“You” means those of you posting this morning/afternoon. I didn’t mean to imply that I’m not also an alliologist – isn’t it obvious?

I guess my thesis will be on Cry Baby.

alli lurker:

I still have both of her Idol Cry Baby performances on my DVR,

Well, unless you have viewed, in addition to the show performances, every single YouTube recording of Cry Baby on tour (50 cities) including multiple recordings from different cameras (OK, I might have missed a few, and I did go on vacation the last week of the tour), you can’t compete.

I must be crazy – lock me up.

alli lurker -

I still have both of her Idol Cry Baby performances on my DVR, along with the 2 hour finale (just so I can see the Cyndi Lauper duet).

Forgot to mention – I love the Cyndi Lauper duet.

Another question -

How many of you read all of the Idol Tour reports – including personal blog reports as well as real time postings? Generally well over a thousand postings a day, sometimes 7 days a week? (OK, I admit I skimmed through the Adam comments a lot, which eliminated about 95%)

My motivation was sorta the “mother lion” (OK, in my case, old Leo the Lion) approach – to jump in and defend Allison if she was ever mentioned negatively.

How many of you read all of the Idol Tour reports ‘“ including personal blog reports as well as real time postings?

Follow the tour through Twitter every day. I am 100% obsessed with this girl and I don’t deny it. I still have more than 10 different Cry baby and Barracuda tour performances in my iPod, not to mention a bunch of different tour interviews in my computer.

I still have both of her Idol Cry Baby performances on my DVR, along with the 2 hour finale (just so I can see the Cyndi Lauper duet).

I bought all of her iTunes studio songs and live performances and I got both her exit performance of Cry baby and the finale duet with Cindy Lauper in my iPod. I’m pretty hardcore.

Why fight it?

Because she LOVES doing Holiday and she also should be having some fun up there. Not to mention that it’s the hardest rock song she has in the album and she wants people to remember that she does rock.

I still have more than 10 different Cry baby and Barracuda tour performances in my iPod, not to mention a bunch of different tour interviews in my computer.

What – you didn’t save any So What performances? I have to laugh – when Allison performed So What on the first night, in Portland, she was overcome with emotion and you could see tears in her eyes. By the end of the tour I think there were tears of joy in her eyes that she would never have to sing that song again!

Regarding Barracuda – I can’t believe how much discussion there was regarding whether or not the word “Barracuda” was included in the song. I kinda made fun of the thing by tracking how many barracudas were slowly inserted into the song as the tour progressed – variations on the word, e.g. baracoo-coo-cooda, etc. Very little actual discussion on the quality of the performance itself.

Out of all the tour reviews, I was most impressed by the writing of some of the 12 and 13 year olds – especially luvadamlambert. I just worry that she spends too much time on this board and not enough time on homework or other school activities. She has a lot of potential as a writer.

What ‘“ you didn’t save any So What performances?

I did, but not a lot of people uploaded good quality videos for that one and yeah, it wasn’t her best song on tour. I loved me some Barracuda, loved her on stage interactions with Tim Stewart, kind of sexy, kind of daring and Cry baby of course was and still is HER Idol song.

It sucks that they haven’t put the AOL sessions up. By this time, pretty much all her fans have seen them. In my case, many times over. If there is any count system associated with her in AOL its not going to reflect her popularity.

LoveDaRocker
12/08/2009 at 4:11 pm

It sucks that they haven’t put the AOL sessions up. By this time, pretty much all her fans have seen them. In my case, many times over. If there is any count system associated with her in AOL its not going to reflect her popularity.

Not unless we alliologists spend all day every day for a month replaying them.

Not at all. But it’s their screw up.

Anybody know when the Billboard figures come out for the last week’s sales?

It’s so frustrating – if everybody in America/the world had an opportunity to view the Trouble Is Sessions video just once I have to feel that Allison’s career would explode. Every single comment on the YouTube for that one was gushing with praise, awe, etc. IMO, a person would have to have a heart of stone not to be touched by that performance. Still, I really don’t understand current popular musical taste. So, I fear that the sales numbers for this week will be disappointing.

Another frustration – 19E produces American Idol and So You Think You Can Dance. The objective of AI is to get an automatic recording contract; the objective of SYTYCD is to win $250,000. There is an implication that the American Idol will enjoy immediate success, hence the term “Idol.” Of course there is no dance equivalent to a recording contract, so money is the main incentive. It is never implied that the winner of SYTYCD will have a far superior dance career relative to any of the other top 10.

So, when Chelsie Hightower is hired by Dancing With the Stars she’s never thought of as “Fifth Place Finisher Chelsie Hightower.” Same for Lacey Schwimmer, etc. The credibility of SYTYCD is not dependent on the winner having more commercial success.

However, if Idol non-winners have greater success than winners, then the whole concept of an “Idol” goes out the window. What if the Hudsons, Daughtrys, Picklers outnumber the winners? Forget Adam – most people think he won.

Still, does 19E want to release talent that they know could have tremendous commercial success? Loss of money and prestige.

So, sign up Allison, but keep her on the back burner. I feel like they’re driving with one foot on the accelerator and one on the brake. Kris and Adam are like co-winners, so they both can be promoted aggressively. But it would really upset the apple cart if Allison were to jump up there with them.

I wish that American Idol was not called American Idol. Same show, but with a different title. Cash prize would be the incentive, with recording contracts at the producer’s discretion. And, although they love to have Ryan announce that “after a record setting 500 bazillion votes, America has decided…” I wish they would limit the number of votes per device, similar to SYTYCD. I am so sick of power voting. If it’s such a good idea, why don’t we do it for political office? I’ll answer that – because it’s an insane way to measure public opinion. And, I don’t give any credibility to sports all-star team voting results either.

With a change in the rules might Allison have won? I don’t know. But I do know that a lot of the people who really support her would never spend several hours continually dialing a phone number, except maybe if it was to save a life.

Anyway, anyone still reading this thread I’m sure agrees that Allison is an amazing talent. I just want her to succeed, not only for my own musical enjoyment, but because I think the music industry needs an infusion of talent such as hers. Her potential, if nurtured, is unreal.

Well, I’m still waiting for my college team to make it to the Rose Bowl, so I guess I can wait a little longer for Allison to get the public attention she deserves.

Did I really write all that?

ETA – Hits Sales – 31,808

I wish they would limit the number of votes per device, similar to SYTYCD

I meant Dancing With the Stars.

jordison: Anybody know when the Billboard figures come out for the last week’s sales?

Soundscan publishes the sales numbers on Wednesdays.

I fear that the sales numbers for this week will be disappointing.

Given her situation (relatively unknown), I’m quite happy with the HDD estimate of 31-32K.

So, sign up Allison, but keep her on the back burner. I feel like they’re driving with one foot on the accelerator and one on the brake. Kris and Adam are like co-winners, so they both can be promoted aggressively. But it would really upset the apple cart if Allison were to jump up there with them.

I don’t think they’re trying to hold Allison back. I think they’ve done a good job with her so far — producing a good album, getting appearances for her. They might make mistakes in their marketing — I’m still not convinced that the heavy young / girl / Top 40 (as opposed to HAC) focus is the right way to go — but I think any mistakes they might make would be “good faith” ones. They’re plenty happy with Daughtry — I don’t think they’d mind having another 4th-placer become a big seller. I think the more big stars they get out of the show, whatever their finishing order, the more they like it — the more money they’ll make, and the more the they’ll be seen as starmakers, which increases the value of their machine.

Yes, it is frustrating to wait and wonder if she’s really going to succeed. But things move slowly sometimes, especially for new artists. Singles fail sometimes (see Lambert, Adam). They take a long time to take off sometimes (see Mraz, Jason). I think FIBOU will end up in the former category, but I’m not 100% ready to rule out the latter yet.

Speaking of FIBOU’s track, it got 3 more adds today — Portland OR, Tulsa, and Honolulu.

I meant Dancing With the Stars.

Coulda fooled me. All I know is that there are at least a couple of dancing shows on TV!

OH, damn it, when is Puerto Rico going to add the damn single? Honolulu has it now.

JohnM:

I don’t think they’re trying to hold Allison back. I think they’ve done a good job with her so far ‘” producing a good album, getting appearances for her.

Oh, I think you’re right. I’m just in a down mood about this today. It’s sorta like your kid is in 5th grade, hard worker, extremely talented, great grades, and some other kid is awarded Student of the Month. You know that ultimately it doesn’t mean a damn thing, but you’re still pissed.

Also, I was a little let down by Ellen. Not by FIBOU – that was fine. Just in my naivety I thought that Ellen, because she might have listened to the album, seen the videos, and been blown away by it all, would give Allison a couple minutes of chat time, maybe show the cute Best Buy clip, or even let her do an acoustic DWTP. I know, highly inappropriate for the 4th place finisher.

She pronounced her name “earaheeta” instead of “eyeraheeta” and all she could say was the same thing she said after the Idol exit visit: “Seventeen years old – Seventeen years old!”

Anyway, I’m sure it will all work out for Allison. Talent will prevail.

ETA – Also, frustrated that the AOL Sessions haven’t come up yet. What’s taking so long?

jordison
Also, I was a little let down by Ellen. Not by FIBOU ‘“ that was fine. Just in my naivety I thought that Ellen, because she might have listened to the album, seen the videos, and been blown away by it all, would give Allison a couple minutes of chat time, maybe show the cute Best Buy clip, or even let her do an acoustic DWTP. I know, highly inappropriate for the 4th place finisher.

She pronounced her name ‘earaheeta’  instead of ‘eyeraheeta’  and all she could say was the same thing she said after the Idol exit visit: ‘Seventeen years old ‘“ Seventeen years old!’ 

I hear ya’, I thought all that might happen, too. Plus I was hoping for DWTP acoustic or full band. I think that song will do better than Friday (based on my highly scientific theory). How long do they stay with a single before they try something new? If I don’t see something different on Kimmel and the New Years thing, I’ll be pretty upset.

Thanks to jordison and PRMari for sharing your fantard stories. I was embarrassed about my DVR confession, but its really nothing compared to you two. Made me feel better! What is it with this girl? I’ve really never had this experience before.

ETA: Must have been a Joplin groupie in a former life!

jordison – My favorite newbie saying in these threads: ‘next to Adam, Allison is my favorite!’ 

I think they normally say… “Allison was my second favorite, after Adam”. Either way, extremely annoying.

I also hate when new posters show up to say “I predict Allison will be the top seller of S8″ so they can come back later and say “See, I knew it all along!”

JohnM – Rockin’ blues is my husband’s favorite genre. You computer guys are all alike!

I agree that Allison would do well there. Not sure that I see it right away, though.

Pics swiped from idol forums. No doubt you’ve probably already seen them!!

http://x17online.com/gallery/view_gallery.php?gallery=Iraheta120709_X17

She looks good. Why doesn’t she just wear that on stage? Why all the fuss?

Well, I’m sick of talking to myself… I’ll check back later….

alli lurker -

Well, I’m sick of talking to myself’ ¦ I’ll check back later’ ¦.

Sorry, had to go to the store. Getting ready for dinner here on the west coast. However, it was a great excuse to crank up the album. Too bad Trader Joe’s is so close to the house.

I must look ridiculous at my age bouncing around to DWTP.

Haven’t seen these pictures. I hope I never get to the point of fandum where I want to know what’s inside the bag.

I also hope she does one of the other songs on Kimmel.

BTW, listening to Robot Love on the album – how in the world is the band going to reproduce that sound? It sounds like there are about 20 male voices in the background.

See, you really weren’t talking to yourself. I, however, am known as jordison the thread killer.

How long do they stay with a single before they try something new?

I think it all depends on the individual situation. Obviously in Adam’s case, they bailed in nothing flat. FYE was getting more adds and spins than Friday was, but I’m sure RCA had very high expectations for its adoption by radio, what with all the OTT publicity and him being The Greatest Being Ever Created In This Or Any Universe and all, so it was probably clear from radio’s reaction that all the publicity in the world wasn’t going to save that song. With Allison, you have a different label and an artist with none of that high publicity / high expectation stuff, so the equation is different.

I’ve said before that the labels have information we don’t. They know what kinds of reactions they’re getting from radio program directors and other people. And maybe the reaction they’re getting is making them think that Friday will pick up steam after the holiday slowdown. Or maybe the reaction is negative but they figure there’s no point in pushing the next single until after the slowdown.

If I don’t see something different on Kimmel and the New Years thing, I’ll be pretty upset.

Don’t count on it. Again, I’d just view it as an indication that they don’t think it makes sense to move on yet, based on the information they have. On the other hand, if we do see something different, we’ll have our answer about their reading of Friday’s prospects.

jordison: ranting today I see. I remember a few weeks ago when Allison was getting no promotion, I came to the forum and posted like three times in a row, complaining about Jive and her lack of promotion. I hear ya.
Regarding the numbers: I don’t know what to say. There are too many factors to go through, but in general, I think this album is better than that, and if people is exposed to her performances, the album will do fine in the long term.
Regarding Ellen: A bit more interaction with Ellen would have been great, even if only standing by the band, as with the GMA guy. Her outfit was full of win. Would she had been able to sit with that “skirt”? Heh.
Regarding performances: I have said it before and need to say it again, she needs to release a second single that gets people’s attention. Friday serve its purpose, now they have to move on. I have always advocated for Trouble Is, but DWTP and YDKM would be good choices too.
Regarding BMU: I have been driving to work listening to the CD for 2 days now. At times, I have been able to enjoy the song. Its catchy as hell. Then I feel an urge to sing along and go “ughhh, what a missed opportunity”. All they had to do was use the opposite message in the chorus and the song would have been fine. I would have lived with the verses as they are. The contradiction would have been better.
Regarding Allison: I am not worried about her. She is a star and seems grounded. She needs to associate with the right people, delve into writing her own songs, and keep knocking on doors.
Regarding fanboyism (don’t like to use “fantard” or its derivatives): she became my favorite at “Alone”, but Someone To Watch Over Me turned me into a fanboy.

Hey there – Oh, I’ve killed a thread or two myself. Like this very one last night…

listening to Robot Love on the album ‘“ how in the world is the band going to reproduce that sound?

I think the same thing about ‘D’, sounds like there’s lots of overlap – not too concerned about Robot cuz its not a fav of mine.

Going to quit early tonight, since I started so early. I was kind of surprised at the reaction I got to my Holiday post this morning – saw some claws come out. I guess I didn’t explain it too well.

Anyway, I hope we can put Friday behind us and move on. Really want to get to ‘D’ and ‘You Don’t Know Me’ as singles. I think those will do well. That would be nice to see for a change.

Don’t count on it.

Hmm… maybe I won’t watch. Somebody can tell me when Friday is dead. I’ll be waitin’ for the next one. Hopefully the whole teeny bopper thing will be over, too. (jordison’s crankiness is wearing off on me!)

I remember a few weeks ago when Allison was getting no promotion, I came to the forum and posted like three times in a row, complaining about Jive and her lack of promotion.

Haha! I remember that!

At times, I have been able to enjoy the song. Its catchy as hell. Then I feel an urge to sing along and go ‘ughhh, what a missed opportunity’ . All they had to do was use the opposite message in the chorus and the song would have been fine.

Never thought I’d hear you say you enjoyed it!! But yeah, they should have finished it with a good message. Too bad.

alli lurker: Well, I’m sick of talking to myself’ ¦ I’ll check back later’ ¦.

We gotta do something to keep this thread alive until the next one comes along — which could be Saturday or, god forbid, not until after Kimmel…

jordison: Too bad Trader Joe’s is so close to the house.

My whole family hates you! We went to TJ’s in Pasadena a few years ago when we toured the country, and loved it. Then we spent a week in Albuquerque in September and made many visits to the TJ’s there. I refer to it as our 5,000-mile shopping trip.

I must look ridiculous at my age bouncing around to DWTP.

No, you don’t. You’re in California.

alli lurker: I think the same thing about ‘D’, sounds like there’s lots of overlap

Yeah, that’s a tough one. It’d take some work to arrange the lead vocal with enough space in there to breathe. Seems like this overlapping-vocal thing is a trend, unfortunately. Cook had to deal with it in Light On. And LLWD’s damn chorus is so nonstop that Kris can’t deliver it live as written — and unfortunately they haven’t arranged the vocals to make it sound right — very frustrating for me because I hear a couple of ways they could do it.

Hopefully the whole teeny bopper thing will be over, too.

Yeah, I’ve been having thoughts that, if the next single is successful, I’d just as soon see Friday get out of the way, as I don’t want her to get a teeny-bopper rep. As long as they stay away from Robot Love and Beat Me Up, I don’t think that’ll be a problem.

We gotta do something to keep this thread alive until the next one comes along ‘” which could be Saturday or, god forbid, not until after Kimmel’ ¦

Maybe MJ can just put a picture up and we can just hang there. After New Years might be the real problem.

Anyway, signing off now….

jordison: Too bad Trader Joe’s is so close to the house.

JohnM, you’re really going to hate me. We have 4 of them within 15 minutes of our house.

We have 4 of them within 15 minutes of our house.

You are EVIL! EVIL, I tell you!

You guys can hang out at Allison’s thread over in Television without pity, it’s always there, no need to wait for anything to happen if you just want to talk about Allison.

alli lurker
Never thought I’d hear you say you enjoyed it!!

I owed Alli to give the track an honest try. The verses are very good. I love the playful phrasing, her amazing lower range, and the guitar. The chorus’ lyrics I can’t take. Also, the music in the chorus gives me a disco vibe that I don’t particularly enjoy. One of these days I will rewrite the chorus and post it .

jordison: Too bad Trader Joe’s is so close to the house.

I love Trader Joe’s! I have two within 20 minutes. My two year old loves the dehydrated strawberries I can only find there, and he gets a free balloon every time .

PRMari:
You guys can hang out at Allison’s thread over in Television without pity

Either this is a typo, or I am missing something.

ETA: after a quick google search, I found what you are talking about.

You guys can hang out at Allison’s thread over in Television without pity

Come to her official site, http://AllisonIraheta.com. We need people there. Course, having said that, you guys have kept me so busy here that I haven’t been there in several days! I gotta get back over there and do my usual updates.

LoveDaRocker: I love Trader Joe’s! I have two within 20 minutes.

I hate you too!

jordison
12/09/2009 at 1:38 am

Hey guys, have you seen this thread?

Anybody want to go over there and ‘represent’  for Allison?

http://mjsbigblog.com/adam-lambert-allison-iraheta-at-the-vevo-launch-in-nyc.htm

Fellow alliologists:

With great humiliation I must admit a boo-boo. I thought I posted the message above to this thread, when in fact I posted it to the very thread I was pointing to. By the time I noticed my mistake, it was too late to delete.

I am now double checking to make sure I’m not posting this message to the other site.

Onset of senility, I fear.

Check out this picture.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/94158461/Getty-Images-Entertainment

I’m sure you’ve all seen this by now, but just in case…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO8B_6P87X0

Ay-yai-yai-yai!

Thanks jordison! Jarabe Tapatio! (aka Mexican Hat Dance). I had seen her performance of My Heart Will Go On at that show, but not this one.
One thing to point out is that she was very polished for a 10 year old. I am impressed. “Ranchera” (aka Mariachi) music is not easy. And how much likeable could she be!
I am sure she’ll see that and go “Nooooooooo!”.
She mentioned being in Sabado Gigante, which is arguably the most watched show in all of Latin America. At 10 years old, that’s pretty impressive.
She’s here for the long haul peeps!

I want to see her performing El viernes te olvido yo in Sabado Gigante so badly.

She was so adorable in that video. Notice how at 10 her voice was already husky, heh, how cute! She liked “making the people happy”.

Also, at 10, she was connecting with the material remarkably well.
And, in the My Heart Will Go On performance, you can see the early stages of the flailing/T-Rex arm .

Whoever says that Allison hasn’t paid her dues is an idiot!!

I can’t believe how much my sister and her looked the same at that age!! Maybe that’s why I love her so much!!??

Nah, it’s the voice!!

and the boring, un-likable personality

matkojapan
Whoever says that Allison hasn’t paid her dues is an idiot!!

I love how you go straight to the point. I thougth about writing something to the fact that she has had so much experience, and has worked her way up from the time of those videos, and before that, to where she is today, but didn’t find the right tone. I think you nailed it .

LoveDaRocker

I am Croatian. We don’t do prose well. We speak with da gun!

OK gang -

Here’s FIBOU on VEVO. Had to dig some to find this.

You have 24 hours to get up to speed on VEVO (and make all of your friends look stupid)!

http://www.vevo.com/watch/allison-iraheta/friday-ill-be-over-u/GBE430900054

FIBOU on VEVO – Say it 10 times fast, I dare ya

Did you guys see this?

Dilana’s take on Allison

I hope they meet and Dilana writes songs for Allison.

Here’s FIBOU on VEVO. Had to dig some to find this.

You have 24 hours to get up to speed on VEVO (and make all of your friends look stupid)!

http://www.vevo.com/watch/allison-iraheta/friday-ill-be-over-u/GBE430900054

FIBOU on VEVO ‘“ Say it 10 times fast, I dare ya

Unfortunately, it’s only for US fans

Unfortunately, it’s only for US fans

Doesn’t include Puerto Rico?

Not fair!

LoveDaRocker
12/09/2009 at 1:44 pm

Did you guys see this?

Dilana’s take on Allison

I hope they meet and Dilana writes songs for Allison.

Do you want alli lurker to have a heart attack?

PRMari: You are a US fan (sorry, couldn’t resist).

jordison:
Do you want alli lurker to have a heart attack?

Well, Holiday is well written and has a lot of edge. It shows Dilana’s capabilities. She should be able to tone it down.

ETA: Dilana looks pretty scary on stage, but in interviews she comes through as a sweetheart. She is probably a very nice person.

LoveDaRocker
12/09/2009 at 2:08 pm

jordison:
Do you want alli lurker to have a heart attack?

Well, Holiday is well written and has a lot of edge. It shows Dilana’s capabilities. She should be able to tone it down.

ETA: Dilana looks pretty scary on stage, but in interviews she comes through as a sweetheart. She is probably a very nice person.

From previous posts, I think alli lurker is more afraid of the tattoos and piercings rubbing off on Allison.

Well this thread has officially gone underground, i.e. it’s off the Recent Posts list.

Still, it’s all we have right now, so, until another Alli thread comes along, shall we keep going on this one?

BTW, good work those of you who posted on the VEVO thread, without making fools of yourselves, like yours truly.

Well, she crossed that bridge. She is in the music business and it will be impossible for her not to meet and work with people like Dilana (or much, much worse). In fact, when you think of it, a tattoo or a piercing should be the least of our worries.
I don’t mind a tattoo here and there. Face piercings and tattooing whole body sections (see Dilana’s arm) might be a bit much for me.
But again, I would have loved to see a fully tattooed Janis Joplin die of old age.

You can invade the Adam/Allison thread and start posting about Allison like they’ve taken over with the Adam talk.

Also, no, apparently, Puerto Rico isn’t included in that VEVO thing. It says it’s not available in my country >:[

http://www.americanidol.com/videos/season_8/hollywood_hopefuls/introducing_allison_iraheta/

Well, judging by the pictures posted at the top, the post was about Adam, and Allison happened to be there. Of course, it is bullcrap.
Not that we needed it, but this is additional confirmation of why Allison should never ever tour with Adam, as some loonies have suggested.

Of course, it is bullcrap.Not that we needed it, but this is additional confirmation of why Allison should never ever tour with Adam, as some loonies have suggested.

Exactly. As long as he is around, it’s all about him and how perfect everything he does is, even his crazy eye makeup.

PRMari
12/09/2009 at 3:35 pm

You can invade the Adam/Allison thread and start posting about Allison like they’ve taken over with the Adam talk.

I said this before, but I’ll say it again -

When I go over there I feel like the parent of the really smart fifth grader who never gets Student of the Month, while some other kid in the class, no smarter, but much more popular, gets Student of the Month every month.

I realize it’s only fifth grade, and ultimately it means nothing, but I’m still pissed.

I feel comfortable posting just about anywhere in mjland – SYTYCD, DWTS, Jordin Sparks, Carrie Underwood, Kris A. – but with that crowd I feel like a stranger in a strange land. And, I’ll say it again – I like he whose name must not be spoken. Second to Allison, that is.

alli lurker
12/09/2009 at 3:51 pm

http://www.americanidol.com/videos/season_8/hollywood_hopefuls/introducing_allison_iraheta/

First impression is how much she’s matured in a year.

I have to keep in mind that the girl who sings Trouble Is is an ELEVENTH GRADER.

So Allison said that she likes soul the best. We know that later on she said it was all about “the rock man, the rock.”

In one interview she said that No One Else was her favorite – in another she said it was DWTP.

My only conclusion – our girl is a FLIP-FLOPPER!

Oh no!

Well, the next season of Idol is coming. I just hope she gets invited to do one of her singles in the big stage. YDKM would be cool, because of the anti-Simon message. But if she does TI, its a guaranteed standing O.

LoveDaRocker
12/09/2009 at 5:53 pm

Well, the next season of Idol is coming. I just hope she gets invited to do one of her singles in the big stage. YDKM would be cool, because of the anti-Simon message. But if she does TI, its a guaranteed standing O

Anybody know if TI was part of her live set at either Memphis or LA?

My only conclusion ‘“ our girl is a FLIP-FLOPPER!

My opinion of songs and how I would rank them changes daily. So I am kind-of a flip flopper myself. Right now, this is my ranking:

TI
Holiday
Viernes
YDKM
Scars
DWTP
D is for Dangerous
JLY
Pieces
No One Else
Daughtry Track
Still Breathing
Robot
Friday
Video Shoot
Album Art
Mechanical sound of the CD entering the car player
BMU

Hilarious that we’re still posting here! This is truly underground… hey, we can say whatever we want!!! Woohoo!! Oh well, I guess until we have a better option…

jordison – My only conclusion ‘“ our girl is a FLIP-FLOPPER!

Yeah, I’ve seen a few flip-flops, too. Some may be show related like… “guess what Allison, you’re the rocker chick!” I think we can cut her some slack cuz she’s a kid. Someone will probably call her on it at some point.

YDKM would be cool

Yes, it would be VERY cool. Even cooler if it was already a hit by then.

ETA: I have a very good feeling about YDKM.

Funny ranking – BMU – LoveDaRocker. I was wondering when we’d get around to ranking. I’ll have to think about mine. I only have the CD, so I haven’t heard the Daughtry Track.

Well, we are underground now, so no better time to “shoot the bull” and talk about individual songs. So here is my additional commentary.
The Daughtry track is good, but it is very Daughtry. That’s not a bad thing, but at times I can almost hear him. alli lurker: once you hear it you’ll know what I mean.
An acoustic version of DWTP would end up third, maybe second.
I love Pieces, but its traces of Kings Of Leon’s Use Somebody are a bit distracting.
Once I rewrite BMU, it could end up there with D.
I love JLY, but the bridge in the recording is not as good as the last of the acoustic ones she recorded. I still think it would be problematic if she makes it the next single. People will go: wow, she is forcing it.
I think she likes No One Else because Pink wrote it. Its good, but not to be among my favorites.

I mean, all of this is picking between Prime Rib and Filet Mignon (unless you are vegetarian) all the way down to No One Else. After that the songs are good, and then there is BMU.

Here’s Mine:

You Don’t Know Me
D is For Dangerous
Beat Me Up
No One Else
Don’t Waste the Pretty (Acoustic much higher)
Trouble Is
Just Like You (Acoustic much higher)
Still Breathing
Pieces
THE REST – And I like them, too

A low ranking is pretty meaningless. I like everything on the album.

ETA: I wonder if JohnM will find us here?

ETA: Already re-thinking my ranking!! My top two are solid, but everything else could change on a whim.

BTW, alli lurker, any comments about my Dilana post earlier?

ETA: ok, on to my commute and to listen to the CD. I hope traffic is murder

I don’t care what you guys say, I like Beat me up, yes, I like it. It’s so much fun and it always wakes me up when I’m sleepy and driving home from work.

Allison flip-flopping, it’s no different than how every day I have a different favorite song or a different pair of shoes, etc. Depending on her mood, she could change her mind. Maybe she’s falling for some guy now and that’s why No one else became one of her favorite songs recently. It’s the one song that is hopeful and about good love. She loved Holiday and still does but maybe the whole Dilana thing made her love for the song fade away a little bit and now she’s more in love with Dont’ waste the pretty because of the acoustic performances. It’s normal.

We’re down so far we need oxygen.

I can’t rank them, except to say the ones I play the most are TI, DWTP, You Don’t Know Me, and Holiday. But, my mood keeps changing, as I do like them all. Usually whatever I play last stays in my head until I play another one – even if it’s the next day. I must say that even though they’re not at the top of my list, Still Breathing and Pieces are really catchy and hang in there in my brain pretty firmly.

I guess I also have a BMU lyrics problem, but I do like the music.

LoveDaRocker – re: Dilana – I saw most of that interview on Yahoo a while back. If she wants to write a soulful rock song for/with Allison, that’s cool. I’m done talking about her, though.

PRMari – Hey BMU is in my top 3 – I love it, too! Don’t know if it will ever be a single, though. I regret what I said about it being one of the songs with no heart. If anything, its OTT, crazy heart (if you know what I mean). Love your comments about flip-flopping – makes sense.

I need to take a break now, too. I’ll check back here in a few hours.

Coincidentially, the song playing when I got in the car was BMU.
I listened to a line that changed my mind a bit. She saya ‘ I guess you’ll never now’, which leans towards psychological abuse.
But its buried in there.

There’s also the line about how “You always pick me up and then you hold me down” that speaks to a relationship in which he builds her up and then holds her back, again, psychological.

Interesting that she tweeted today about her New Years appearance, but not about the upcoming Jingle Ball or Kimmel. Its seems kind of far in advance to tweet about New Years…. I like to think it means that maybe she’s gonna play something different for us? I guess time will tell. (If JohnM were here he I’m sure he’d burst my bubble.)

She also tweeted a cute picture of her and Jordin if you haven’t seen it (jordison).

I guess she did some kind of backstage appearance in Philly:

http://www.q102.com/pages/events/jingleball09/

ETA: Already re-thinking my ranking!! My top two are solid, but everything else could change on a whim.

That is why I won’t do a ranking.

BTW – I wandered over to YouTube and found that the 2 album songs that had far and away the most views and comments were:

BMU and Robot

Maybe we old fuddy duddies really shouldn’t be the target audience.Just as long as Allison continues to do our kind of “rock and soul”.

Gotta make dinner and watch SYTYCD results now, even though I already know the results – thank you mj. (My wife doesn’t like surprises)

My 15 and 17 year old nieces love Robot Love, Beat me up and Holiday, go figure. They also quite like FIBOU.

jordison
BTW ‘“ I wandered over to YouTube and found that the 2 album songs that had far and away the most views and comments were:

BMU and Robot

Maybe we old fuddy duddies really shouldn’t be the target audience.Just as long as Allison continues to do our kind of ‘rock and soul’ .

It sure is tough to please everyone, I bet. I figure that she’ll eventually end up doing what she loves and those of us who love it too will stay with her. I wish that for her anyway.

‘Rock and Soul’ – I like that!
ETA: Something new for alliology!

Sometime when you have a chance… could you tell me more about Janis – maybe describe how you felt when you saw her, what the crowd reaction was like. Can’t get enough of your ‘icon’ stories. This is a good place for it, too – being underground and all.

I’m going to sign off soon, but I’ll look back here again.

I thought this was gone…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q8Y8xV_Bqo

Gonna watch a few times in case it disappears again!

I wonder if JohnM will find us here?

Oh yeah, I’m here — I just had a really busy workday and a lot of hours moving a whole lotta wet snow (Puerto Rico and LA are sounding pretty good right about now!), plus I spent tonight at a typically rockin’-awesome Company Of Thieves concert — woohoo! So I’m just catching up now.

About the flip-flopping — I just figure that the various things she mentions aren’t contradictory; they simply paint a composite picture of what she likes — rock, soul, Pink, Weezer, etc. etc. (btw, if you heard about the Weezer bus crash the other day — that was about 30 miles from my house.)

LoveDaRocker, I was bellowing hysterically when I read your ranking! Hilarious!

I mean, all of this is picking between Prime Rib and Filet Mignon (unless you are vegetarian)

Guilty as charged here! In my non-meat book, it’s between chocolate and cheesecake. (Guess what I had for dessert tonight?)

alli lurker: If JohnM were here he I’m sure he’d burst my bubble.

Yeah, cause I’m a mean geek like that.

About the song rankings, it’s hard for me to rank them too — I can put them in general good/better/best groups, but that’s about it. And part of what makes it hard for me is that I have to break some of the songs down into verses, choruses, and bridges, and consider them separately — yeah, it’s Dissertation Man at work again, picking at the minute details. For example, I really like the Still Breathing verses a lot, but the choruses are just too over-produced (though growing on me somewhat) — so based on the verses, I’d rank it quite high, but based on the choruses, I’d rank it pretty low.

All I’ll say at the moment (after all, it’s 1:15 in the morning) is the following. When I heard the clips, I thought that DWTP, D, TI, and YDKM would be favorites, and that’s exactly how it has played out — I consider those my top 4. I thought Pieces had potential, but still I was interested to find that it has become my “most improved” song going from the clip to repeated listens of the whole thing — it has really grown on me. I won’t list my middle and bottom tiers at the moment. But about The Daughtry Song (and that’s its official title now!), I like it fine, but it’s near the bottom — it’s just an ordinary pop-rock song, not very well-written, and I think if Daughtry were singing it instead of Allison I’d probably just think “God, what a boring piece of blah”. His voice really gets on my nerves.

All right, time for a few hours of sleep. Yes, I’m now ready to admit that I do sleep a few hours on occasion…

Does anyone have a link to Allison’s AOL session of Holiday?

isisdagmar
12/10/2009 at 2:09 am

Does anyone have a link to Allison’s AOL session of Holiday?

If you mean the actual AOL Session, nobody here seems to have a clue when this session is going up. There was a brief moment when several, including Holiday, appeared on the AOL site. If you mean a YouTube of Holiday that was captured from the brief moment, it was removed a few days ago. There is a YouTube of Trouble Is that still is up (for the moment).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q8Y8xV_Bqo

She also tweeted a cute picture of her and Jordin if you haven’t seen it (jordison).

Thanks alli lurker. Jordin tweeted that she wasn’t feeling well, and had a bad sinus headache last night.

Well it’s 2 am here, but I just happen to be up, so I’ll try to make this coherent.

I wonder if there are many other Allison fans who also appreciate Jordin Sparks. Although the two of them seem quite different in many ways, I feel there are also a lot of similarities. The main one: they are talented teenage girls who sing for the pure love of it.

Jordin seems to have no fear in regard to singing anything with anybody, under just about any conditions. She’s put out Youtubes of jam sessions, in shorts, no makeup, hair pulled back – whatever – strumming her guitar and just having fun. For charity (she does lots of charity events), she sang an unrehearsed Bridge Over Troubled Water with Josh Groban. After a concert in Nashville, with Vince Gill, she dropped into a country joint and sang “Crazy.” She seems to love to sing Country.

I’m not that crazy about the poppy stuff that Jordin has on her 2 albums. I think she really is meant to do ballads, but Jive has stuck her in a pop box. I think her national anthem is one of the better ones I’ve ever heard. And, she seems like a genuinely nice person.

I actually wouldn’t mind seeing Jordin and Allison tour together, although I don’t know how well it would do commercially. I think Jordin might be a good influence on Allison, like a big sister. I suspect they might get along. Although Allison isn’t ready to headline a tour, I fear that if she opens with someone too big she might be ignored by the fans and the press. Case in point: Jordin opening for the Jonas Brothers and Britney Spears. But, would a Jordin/Allison concert draw a crowd?

Anyway, it’s late, and I’m not too coherent.

As to the stories about the “good old days,” I’d be happy to share more of that stuff later – as much as I remember! However, right now I think I better get some sleep.

Later.

jordison – re: Jordin – I like Jordin, I was happy that she won her season. I would have been happy if Melinda would have won, too. My problem with Jordin is that she is too wholesome. I like my singers a little messier (despite my Dilana comments!), and more complicated. Its just more interesting to me.

JohnM – I knew you were out there somewhere!

Trouble Is Vid & Dave Immerman – That boy has really come around. When I first saw him out on the radio promo tour, I wasn’t sure about him. I remember one time when she called him ‘home boy’, I thought he was going to roll his eyes at her. Now all I see is admiration and excitement. Love it.

alli lurker: Now all I see is admiration and excitement.

She does that to people, doesn’t she?

I hadn’t gotten around to capturing the AOL audio to keep — figured the originals would be posted soon — so I did it this morning with that Trouble Is copy. Sounds like the person who put it up captured it at lower quality than the ones I saw before. Bummer. Sure hope AOL puts them back up soon, and that they get put up for sale.

My problem with Jordin is that she is too wholesome. I like my singers a little messier (despite my Dilana comments!), and more complicated. Its just more interesting to me.

Me too. She’s too “good” for my taste, heh.

Gonna try an experiment since there’s just a few of us here and we are in the first ‘twitter season’…

To The Divine Miss A – Hey Soul Sister… “I need a sign to let me know you’re here. All of these lines being crossed over the atmosphere.” (Train, ‘Calling All Angels’ – I think their vibe would be a good vibe for Allison.)

Anyway the sign will be to send a tweet that starts with an exclamation point (!) or many (!!!!). Do it and we won’t say a word.

“I won’t give up if you don’t give up.”

alli lurker, I don’t really understand what the (exclamation) point of your post was, but I like the Train reference!

AOL Sessions Videos: my experience with the AOL session videos is that a google search will generally turn up at least one of them. Something like “Allison Trouble Is AOL” generally does the trick.
BMU LoveDaRocker update: I made my peace with BMU, so now is “charting” in my rotation . Definitely above “The Daughtry Song” (aka “I don’t wanna be wrong”).
Daughtry: regarding Daughtry’s bland pop rock, somehow it has work wonders for him. Except a few songs, I have not figured out what’s the big deal. It might be another case of personality/likeability over material. Speaking of which, how many posts regarding he whose name shall not be spoken on an Allison thread are we gonna get before another for La Princesa?
Jordin: too goody two-shows for me. That said, it wouldn’t be a bad concert. Kind of a pop/rock teen-empowerment vibe. I hope an established pop-rock act, preferrably female, takes notice and contacts Alli.
Trouble Is Vid and Dave I: One of my favorite parts of the video is when she does her first all out “I don’t know which way to fall” wail and the camera show him with this “oh yeah, rock-on girl” expression.
Train: I like Train. Its a bit bland, but songs are well written and they know how to write a good hook.

alli lurker -

My problem with Jordin is that she is too wholesome.

But lurker, Jordin has a tattoo! Really – I’m not just making a pun about the song.

LoveDaRocker -

too goody two-shows for me.

Isn’t the expression “goody two shoes? And where the heck does “goody two shoes” come from? I’ve heard that expression all my life and never understood it. Don’t most people wear two shoes? Was there a person named Goody Two Shoes? Or, does this refer to a scenario where a person opens a box of shoes and says in effect “Oh goody, there are actually two shoes in there, and I thought there might only be one – yippee!

There are a lot of expressions like that. We could always go down the list while we’re waiting for the next bit of Allison news.

ETA – I guess I’m a closet wholesome person.

JohnM
alli lurker, I don’t really understand what the (exclamation) point of your post was, but I like the Train reference!

Ugh, must I always be so literal? The point of the post was to see if Allison reads our posts (as jordison and I have discussed) and if she does, I would like for her to send a tweet that begins with an exclamation point (or points). That way we’ll know, and she won’t cause a stir by saying it directly.

I thought it might be a good time to try this since we’re way underground on this thread and not too many people will know what’s going on. I may even ask MJ to delete the posts if she does it.

Train: I like Train. Its a bit bland, but songs are well written and they know how to write a good hook.

LoveDaRocker – Yes, their music might be a bit too ‘lite’ for her, but I like how they emphasize the singer’s voice and he sings with some soul, too.

ETA: I’m obsessing over their song ‘I Am” right now… “I’m here for my sanity, sanity, I am here for you.”

LoveDaRocker – I hope an established pop-rock act, preferrably female, takes notice and contacts Alli.

I’m hoping for Sheryl Crow (maybe too big of a dream?) because I thought it would capture Allison’s demographic of moms + daughters, and give Allison some rock credibility.

alli lurker
12/10/2009 at 12:34 pm

LoveDaRocker ‘“ I hope an established pop-rock act, preferrably female, takes notice and contacts Alli.

I’m hoping for Sheryl Crow (maybe too big of a dream?) because I thought it would capture Allison’s demographic of moms + daughters, and give Allison some rock credibility.

Question -

What would you prefer, a short set as one or more preliminary acts for a really big name star, or, a longer set opening as the only other act with a moderately well known act? I’m really not sure which I prefer – also the worry about vocal fatigue with a longer set. Then again, I would love to go to a concert with Allison doing a full set of her songs.

BTW – Jordin has more than one woman in her band – including her guitar player.

I’m going to be away from my computer for a while now – errands to run.

alli lurker:I can see her singing Train-type songs. I hope her next also album brings a variety of styles, and a Train song could fit.
jordison: Typo. It is goody two-shoes. The w is by the e in the keyboard .
I called a friend in PR who I know liked Allison during the season. I asked her if she heard the new songs, and she said: “is it out? I didn’t know” (gasp). I thought, ok, I’ll be an ambassador and tell her that it is awesome. She said she’ll download it. Then she said: “I heard about ****** going over the top in some performance” (double gasp).

jordison
I would go for the short set with a bigger star. Although we love her whole CD, we can’t expect (yet) for everyone to be so on-board. So, I would guess it would be better for her pick her favorite 5 songs (or so) and give them her all. It makes sense to me.
Of course, this is picking between filet mignon and primer rib (or between chocolate and cheesecake). If the other act is the right act (or at least is not he whose name …), I would be happy either way.

jordison – Obviously I would pick the longer set with the bigger star!! But since I don’t have that choice, I’m with LoveDaRocker – short set with big star.

Plus, I’ve seen Sheryl Crow outdoors at the venue where I would like to see Allison, and it was magical. One of my favorite shows ever.

Not sure I would go if the other act was teeny bopper.

PRMari:
There’s also the line about how ‘You always pick me up and then you hold me down’  that speaks to a relationship in which he builds her up and then holds her back, again, psychological.

Or, speaks about picking her up and then holding her down .
As I said in a previous post, I am fine with it. Its well written. It says what it says. But the references to domestic violence are intentional.

News Flash from Allison’s website:

DECEMBER 10, 2009, 1:31 pm
Allison Iraheta at Rock N Racquets
Tennis lovers don’t miss Allison performing LIVE this Saturday December 12th at the exciting SunTrust Rock-n-Racquets tennis event in Athens, Georgia! Allison will join Serena Williams and University of Georgia tennis great John Isner at the event starting at 4PM . Proceeds for the event will benefit the University General Scholarship Fund. Less than 5,000 tickets will be sold so the event is expected to sell out quickly! Prior to the event all athletes AND Allison will be signing autographs! Don’t miss it! Tickets available through the UGA Ticket Office, M-F 8:00am-4:30pm, online at http://www.georgiadogs.com or by calling 877-542-1231

Soungs like a good gig. IIRC, Georgia is a good host to Idols.
Also, seems like she is the only musical act. Cool.

Or, speaks about picking her up and then holding her down .
As I said in a previous post, I am fine with it. Its well written. It says what it says. But the references to domestic violence are intentional.

I’m going to be honest with you. I don’t get domestic violence from that song, I get emotional roller coaster and rough sex. There, I said it.

Maybe is how kids speak these days. And, English is not my first language. So there might be a semantics issue. But …

Even though you beat me up,
I still love you cause you heat me up,
that’s why every time you hit me up,
I come running cause you fix me up,
oh baby just beat me up.

Ouch!

BTW, I interned one summer in a Legal Aid Office, and also worked during a semester at a DA’s Office. Worked directly with Domestic Violence cases. So maybe I am more sensitive to these types of references than most.

I swear, that’s the last time I post anything critizicing the song, unless solicited .

ETA: rough sex? See, that didn’t even crossed my mind. So, its all relative.

Following up on the rock-n-rackets gig, here is the website with Allison showcased:
Rock-n-Rackets
MJ should post this, so that Idol fans in the area may attend (and record ).

LoveDaRocker, the phrase “hit me up” is slang for calling someone, asking them to get together, or things along those lines — that one doesn’t have any negative meaning at all if you know the slang. Goes back at least to the 70s, as I remember it from when I was a teenager or college student. (Unfortunately, not everyone knows the slang, not just you non-native-English speakers — I had to explain it to my 13-year-old — she thought it was a violent reference too.)

As for “fix me up”, I’m not sure why you highlighted “fix”. I think “fix me up” just means “make me feel better” or something like that.

I’m not inclined to discuss this whole thing at length, at least at the moment, and don’t have time to anyway right now, but I wanted to pass along those explanations/comments.

ETA: Do you want to email mj that Rock-n-Racquets info so that she’ll post something about it?

And hopefully this will give us another thread on Sunday!

I think we should let MJ know.
Objectively, this is more noteworthy than Gokey’s radio promos.

Do you want me to email her, or will you?

I have never emailed her, so she might think is Spam. Whether you have in the past or not, go ahead and email her.

Just want to make something clear. I don’t know what Kevin Rudolf’s intentions were when he wrote Beat me up and my interpretation of the song doesn’t make it any more appropriate. I’m just saying what I get from the lyrics and the general vibe of the song. There are some lines in that song that are just incredibly suggestive and not exactly of physical abuse.

I emailed mj about the tennis performance on Saturday.

It wouldn’t be the first song that means different things to different people.

Thanks JohnM! I hope something is up tomorrow, so that people in the area who might want to see Allison could make it part of the weekend schedule.

Wahoo! She was in Boston tonight at Kiss108, and did an acoustic Scars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNc3XBJylGk

Wahoo! She was in Boston tonight at Kiss108, and did an acoustic Scars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNc3XBJylGk

Thank you! I can’t listen yet, but I’m sure it’s gorgeous.

Better audio and with an introductory chat with the DJ/host — audio only:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW5j7UyLJAo

MJ just set up a new thread – we can come up for air now. Yay.

http://mjsbigblog.com/allison-iraheta-kiss-108-jingle-ball-boston-video.htm