JohnM : I’d offer Van Halen’s I’m The One and Ice Cream Man as counter-examples ‘” I think EVH’s work fits perfectly with the first and very well with the second. Kind of ironic, given that those were more straight blues-based songs than the more stereotypically pyrotechnic stuff.

John those are some good songs. As you said, everybody missed Eddie’s bluesy side and only caught his signature finger tapping. But even in these recordings Eddie was being Eddie with the possible exception of Ice Cream, very nice.

My standard examples for soulful, beautiful, emotional solos without speed are the Allman Brothers’ legendary Fillmore East recording of Stormy Monday (Duane Allman’s solo at 3:35 and especially Dickey Betts’ solo at 6:05), and Stevie Ray Vaughn’s extremely slow Tin Pan Alley ‘” can’t find the original studio version on Youtube, so here are Part 1 and Part 2 of a live version.

Good stuff and thanks for this. Fairly technically decent too – proves my point. No Need for speed or be bound by technical parameters that may limit the possibilities.

I’m not part of the G’n'R generation and never paid any attention to them.

You should give it shot you may like them.
check this one out – give it nice listen. Just this -> “Civil War” nice solos throughout(wah wah) and the last solo at 6:34, nice(sorry don’t know the format for links)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALhwQKTRAgA

there are others like Double talking Jive …

Rub: I’ll put this the way I compare guitarists, since its something I’m more familiar with. Steve Vai, Eddie Van Halen, Nuno Bethencourt are one of the most technically precise players out there with incredible speeds, but I always their solos were random and had nothing to do with the direction of the song. Their solos were to show off their skills, unfortunately their soulless, emotionless solos became forgetable and never did anything to complement the music

While you certainly have a valid point, I’d offer Van Halen’s I’m The One and Ice Cream Man as counter-examples — I think EVH’s work fits perfectly with the first and very well with the second. Kind of ironic, given that those were more straight blues-based songs than the more stereotypically pyrotechnic stuff.

especially when compared to Slash. Slash looses the war in technicality and speed but he more than makes up with soul delivery and beautiful solos with a raw emotional sound to his playing. Sweet child o Mine is a familiar example.

I’m not part of the G’n'R generation and never paid any attention to them. My standard examples for soulful, beautiful, emotional solos without speed are the Allman Brothers’ legendary Fillmore East recording of Stormy Monday (Duane Allman’s solo at 3:35 and especially Dickey Betts’ solo at 6:05), and Stevie Ray Vaughn’s extremely slow Tin Pan Alley — can’t find the original studio version on Youtube, so here are Part 1 and Part 2 of a live version.

What? Me, a blues-rock fan??

in the last one, taken close to the end of the tour, she wears a Kimono given to her by a Japanese fan, and motions as if shooting herself because she is getting tired of singing the same songs every night. How’s that for personality, Mr. Cowell?

This is starting to add up…there were Japanese fans at the last AI tour concert; wonder if they were there for Allison? I wish I had asked them.

Everywhere you turn, there are signs of international interest in these Idols! There is an Adam fan club in Venezuela that covers most of South America and the Caribbean, and is conducted in Spanish.

I also heard that between 30 and 40% of the people here at mj’s are from outside the U.S.

Tess
I’ll be so happy when ALL OF THE IDOLS loose the idol tag. What an albatross to carry around your neck, especially as regards to the AI fanbase.

Does that happen? I don’t think an Idol, especially a finalist, looses that label easily. To this day, Kelly is still associated with Idol (see recent interview at The View).

Alli lurker
Definitely showed her personality (or what I imagine it to be, since I don’t know her personally.)

I don’t know her either.

LoveDaRocker
I thought Lyndsey Parker’s interviews, especially the last one , showed more of her personality than Slezak’s.

I totally agree. This was my favorite interview of hers. Definitely showed her personality (or what I imagine it to be, since I don’t know her personally.) Maybe in other interviews she gets too concerned about what she’s supposed to say rather than just being herself. I guess a kid talking to adults CAN be intimidating. She must be very comfortable with Lyndsey.

JohnM
the only reason we know the identity of any of the band members is fan research, much of it by our own PRMari, who figured things out from Allison’s Twitter connections

I figured someone would bring that up, which is true. Thanks PRMari. My comments was geared towards the overall approach to Allison. I get the feeling the girls-in-band approach will work out very well, and I am sure Jive either suggested it, or at least approved it.

LoveDaRocker: We also saw behind-the-scenes footage of her photo shoot, and got interesting details of her new band.

Yeah, I don’t really think they’ve skimped on her, but about the details on the band, that wasn’t Jive’s doing — the only reason we know the identity of any of the band members is fan research, much of it by our own PRMari, who figured things out from Allison’s Twitter connections.

Mary102: I’m not an expert in it, but there are often multiple versions of a song in terms of what is on an album and what is sent to the radio stations. A shorter version for radio vs album makes a lot of sense to fit the radio format a little better.

Right. Although not every single is an edited version of the album track, it’s extremely common and is a tradition going back at least as far as the 60s. On the album version, there will be an extra verse, or an extra chorus, or an extra instrumental section, and it will be edited out for the single version so that it won’t be too long for radio stations to want to play it. So there’s nothing strange at all about the longer time for the album version of FIBOU.

Sometimes, more radical edits are made for the single. There was a single by The Shins a couple of years ago or so called Sea Legs, and for the single version they not only cut down the album version’s ending instrumental but also added in a chorus after it. Totally screwed me up every time I heard it on the radio.

Yeah’“really agree. Allison has a great grainy quality to her voice and she’s real talented, but Christina Aguilera is an incredible vocalist. … Frankly, Allison is a far better singer than many singers with hit songs, but she’s not better than this one.

Good thing the Iraheta-Placido Domingo duet has not been set .
Folks, Allison is as good as Aguilera FOR THE POP/ROCK world in which they live. I personally prefer Allison because I just find her more interesting, enjoy her raspy voice and rocker-chick persona, and her interpretations prompt me to sing along (as opposed to Aguilera’s, which I think oversings most times).
As far as promotion, maybe Jive is not promoting her enough, but IMO, they are doing a fantastic job with her look (see cover art above) and, judging by FIBOU, her music. Remember also, that we are still a month from release, so I wouldn’t worry just yet. I mean, we know the title, the cover art, the track list, and one of the songs. We also saw behind-the-scenes footage of her photo shoot, and got interesting details of her new band. At this point, thats good for me.
Regarding interviews, I might be wrong, but I thought that Slezak’s interview did not tell me much about how good/bad she is at interviews. She was fine, but Slezak did a lot of talking and moderating. I thought Lyndsey Parker’s interviews, especially the last one , showed more of her personality than Slezak’s. For example, in the last one, taken close to the end of the tour, she wears a Kimono given to her by a Japanese fan, and motions as if shooting herself because she is getting tired of singing the same songs every night. How’s that for personality, Mr. Cowell?

6.Also what’s going on with FIBOU? I looked up the track list on IDF and it says that FIBOU on her album is 4:00 long, but the song that is ‘floating’  around is about 3:15′ ¦ Did they made a new version and thus not promoting the old? It’s really strange’ ¦

Just jumping on here. I’m not an expert in it, but there are often multiple versions of a song in terms of what is on an album and what is sent to the radio stations. A shorter version for radio vs album makes a lot of sense to fit the radio format a little better.

I just don’t understand why other Idols have to be brought into the conversation at every drop of the hat. Personally I’m measuring Kris and Adam and Allison based on their impact compared to other singers who are in their genre and who seem to appeal to the same demographic.

Maybe, someday, we can hear more from Ali then her first single which is floating out in cyberspace beyond the grasp of mere mortals. Then we can see how she “measures” up and make some educated guess on her staying power within the industry.

About FYE: I think, and I’m saying this objetcively because I was a huge fan of Adam’s at the beginning, it’s a bad song. I listened to it many times. At first I was like: that’s it. It’s simply not memorable. The second time I wondered through the whole song what other song does it remind me. The more I listened to it, the more things were not right. Mainly Adam’s voice and what it displayed: it was not genuine, Adam’s has a too ‘nice’ voice to be seductive and badass, it’s like a kitten trying to bark. The song doesn’t have any catchiness to it.
I’ve seen Adam compared to Britney. I personally think Britney’s songs aren’t good, but she still has a huge fallowing from her early albums that grew up with her, that are a big part of why her songs are successful. Moreover, she’s a brand for many years. In socialogy there are these 2 theories: the more you listen/look at something the more you like it (the exposition effect); the more people like (or if there’s a hype that makes you think all people like) something the more you tend to like it also (the snowball effect). Don’t know if those will apply to Adam. There’s certainly a hype around him (but I think not connected as much to music nowadays). A lot people praised him during the show, he’s RCA and 19E pet right now, doubt they will admit that his songs are bad, they will push very hard. But from the listeners standpoint (who doesn’t love music because it was made by a certain artist, but who does like some artist because of their music) – we already heard 2 Adam’s songs from the album (TFM and FYE which we’re heavily praised as something they obviously aren’t) and the were not good… His whole album has some many genres, some people won’t like it. My prediction: Adam will be as successful ass huge his hardcore fanbase (who buy everything that Adam sells) already is, doubt he will gain that many new fans, especially with his first single. I like LLWD and FIBOU much better.

Back to Allison:
1.I think that FIBOU is a good song (maybe very good for most of her peers). It’s definitely catchy, has a nice and simple lyrics, some girl power to it – I think it has what it takes to be a succcessful single.
2.All she nedds is promotion. Allison tweeted that it will start in 2 weeks, so something around 13th Nov.
3.The Aimee Proal song is really beautiful as a whole, with a better production it can be a good song on her album and I would like for it to be there.
4.Hope that Jive will do Allison justice and promote her the right way, which I believe will happen.
5.I checked her bandmates on IDF, they all are really talented and with good looks. It looks like the band was picked very carefully (talent-wise, looks-wise, attitude-wise) which is a good sign. Would love a really good mixed rock band these days (in Allison’s case, maybe I’ll have to wait few years).
6.Also what’s going on with FIBOU? I looked up the track list on IDF and it says that FIBOU on her album is 4:00 long, but the song that is “floating” around is about 3:15… Did they made a new version and thus not promoting the old? It’s really strange…