Alex Lambert, Lilly Scott, Todrick Hall, Katelyn Epperly – Satellite Interviews

I would see you live this minute, Alex. Just say when and where. (As long as where is in the NYC area.)

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It's really sad he left.. I hope he gets future opportunities, I want an album! And I hope he keeps the mullet, it's cute.

Alex, you were my favorite male singer…this is only the beginning. I am rooting for you! You have such a gift, and as I’m sure you’ve discovered, you have millions of fans who will buy your music. Don’t ever give up! I can’t wait to buy your music one day soon, and hopefully see you perform live in a venue when you’re touring. Godspeed!

ROFL “19th Nervous Breakdown” – I wish we could have seen it!

Alex was one of my favorites so will miss him. I hope he keeps going with the singing. He can only improve as he ages.

ROFL “19th Nervous Breakdown” – I wish we could have seen it!

please let him sing it on Ellen! This is a sweet interview…he is funny and charming and I love him even more.

In a way Alex is more confident than I expected him to be. He’s not cocky, but he seems to know what he wants and exactly what kind of artist he wants to be, which is more than I can say for some others still in the competition. Glad he’s getting the opportunity to go on Ellen.

So he must know about MJ’s….ALEX WE LOVE YOU!!!!

Alex…great interview. It’s interesting to hear that mugging for the camera was the source of his discomfort. He wasn’t nervous to sing, he was unsure of what to do up there. Kind of reminds me of Eliott Yamin. Except that Elliott let the music breathe through him and subsequently delivered performances that made you forget about all the auxillary stuff. I wish the same had happened for young Alex. I feel like he was almost to that point. Shame! Such a great voice. Can’t wait to hear it again!

This is some of the whiniest shit I have ever seen. He thought at least 6 people would go before him?? Which 6? I get that they think they are better than the people that got through, but jeez, wait a bit before you basically tell people you think you are better, seems strange to me.

I wanted my vocal to be so much better than everyone else’s I lost track that it was a TV show.

I don’t know but this doesn’t seem like the best way to nail a performance, focusing on the difference between you and ‘the competitors’. As far as I can tell, the ones who really shine, are those who simply concentrate on being their best possible best and learning how to emote that out for all to see. There’s a difference in focus there. Maybe that’s more his problem. He didn’t embody his own performances. They were like wisps of potential instead of solid inspiring-to-vote kind of performances. That might be why I never voted for him.

Which 6?

Todrick, Aaron, Tim, Lacey, Paige, Katie. I don’t understand the need for false modesty. He was better than at least half the people left (I would have put him in the top 4 or 5) and he knows it as did Lilly.

He definitely did not feel “Trouble” IMO. He should have studied Taylor’s version.

I hate he’s gone when he actually has some talent and someone like Tim who is cute and seems nice but really is not talented at all is still on there.

I wanted to add- Todrick performed the hell out of his final singout. He did great, made me sorry he was leaving too.

I don’t have a problem with anything Alex said. In fact, I really regret not voting for him. I’m glad these contestants are being honest. It’s pretty rare for the contestants that didn’t make the Top 12 to actually have a decent musical career, but I’d love it if Alex really did work to pursue music.

I can think of 6 other people that should have gone before those 4.
Andrew, Aaron, Tim, Paige, Lacey, Katie

I don’t really think he was being whiny. Granted I didn’t hear the call, but the implication to me is that he obviously knew he was attacking something the wrong way re: Idol since he said he was forgetting it was a tv show and not performing. But yes, in theory I do agree that you can’t be focused on trying to one up your competitors so much as just perform and embody the song. That he needs to learn.

As for the stuff about thinking others were going first, he also said he was nervous all day and others kept telling him he wasn’t going home. I do think the kids for whatever reason all did think others were going home, but perhaps that is a drawback from letting them do all this twitter/facebook stuff on the computer. They’re probably counting comments and thinking that determines voting popularity. They should know that Idol is never that predictable.

I’m not sure why I can’t edit my comment, but Alex also said in his EW interview that Trouble was his second song choice. He was going to do some Mario song, but said a “producer” told him Trouble would get more votes and he should do that.

Honestly, Alex just seems like a kid without a lot of guile.

From this written interview, I think he’s cocky. Too much praises from the judges make he thinks that he is the better singer.

I don’t understand the need for false modesty. He was better than at least half the people left (I would have put him in the top 4 or 5) and he knows it as did Lilly.

I agree. He was asked a question and he answered it honestly…

what’s this new sattelite exit interview stuff? A way to insert feet in mouth? This week was my first time watching this year, wasn’t impressed with Alex’ performance even less impressed after this drivel.

You chose “Trouble,” a song that a few past contestants have performed. What made you choose it?
I had another song in mind: “Let Me Love You” by Mario. It’s an R&B song, but I was going to change it up and make it my own. But it was a song a lot of people didn’t know so I went with my second choice because one of the producers was telling me, “If you do this song, you’ll get more votes.” But obviously I didn’t get enough. I wish I would’ve done the other song. I wish I didn’t listen to the producer. But I still feel like, vocally, the song I sang, I didn’t think it was bad enough for me to go home, but it is what it is.

That was the question about Alex’s song choice. Interesting..

The contestants are certainly reading too much into what the judges say. They’ve got to learn to take their critiques with a grain of salt and just do what they think feels right. The contestants that succeed are the ones that know who they are. They don’t change their style because the judges say to change it, and sometimes they have to win over the judges over time.

, the American Idol voting demographic is mostly tweens—11 and 12 year old girls and I’m sure they don’t know who Patsy Cline is.

Should we tell Lily how old most of us are?

LOL, Lilly. Thanks for reinforcing them “I’m too cool for school” vibe that I was getting (I found her last performance to be, borrowing from Simon, indulgent – like “Look, I’m quirky! I’m great!”)

I don’t know that Alex is arrogant, I think very young and pretty straight up. But I didn’t hear the interview so who knows what his tone was. It is interesting that there’s so much open “we’re so much better than half those people” going on. I mean, it’s true… but interesting.

Should we tell Lily how old most of us are?

No kidding, she’s leaving out the whole much-derided “older women” demographic. And while I think she should have stayed longer, I never did find myself bothered to vote for her. But then again I own a TV and don’t ride a bike . I just don’t *get* her, man!

Lily is another cocky banana. Is she the one who mentioned that she can play many instruments?

I’m tired of false modesty being rewarded on AI, yes Lilly is definetly on the brink of looking smug here, but she’s right, it’s all about demographics and the AI audience taste, of course she should have known that before auditioning.

Thanks Lilly, I already didn’t like your attitude and that just sums it up for me. Not that I got past the thin voice anyway.

Both Alex and Lilly come off as extremely arrogant and clueless in this interview. I guess they weren’t around long enough for the PR wonks to tell them they really shouldn’t talk about other contestants like that.

Alex had the most interesting voice out all of the top 24. I’m sorry to see him go.

Dear Lilly, don’t go generalizing the AI watching demographic honey. You couldn’t be more wrong.

I don’t see them as arrogant, just a little clueless.

I think Lilly was just telling it like it is. I don’t think she was being arrogant, just saying what other people wouldn’t. Alex wasn’t being arrogant either. They are right, the people that went home, the majority of us didn’t see them going.

I think Lilly comes off cocky, or I guess I should say affected. Definitely hipster material, and believe me I see enough of that on a day to day basis to recognize the signs. Alex, not so much. Like already said, he mostly seems young and perhaps he needs to learn what to say and what to hold back.

Though again I have to wonder why the contestants seemed to have come to a collective decision over who was going to go home. Do the groups usually do this? Do they really think it’s that simple? How the heck do they know how the public is going to vote?

I don’t think Lilly needs to STFU. She’s just speaking her mind, and she deserves to after being totally robbed last night.

And, I don’t see anything wrong with her wanting to keep her indie cred while on the show. That’s one reason I like her; she totally knows who she is and wants to stay that way.

I think Lilly was just telling it like it is. I don’t think she was being arrogant, just saying what other people wouldn’t. Alex wasn’t being arrogant either. They are right, the people that went home, the majority of us didn’t see them going.

Exactly!! Thank you.

I don’t think there is a thing wrong with Lilly staying true to herself as an artist and not wanting to play the AI game. It’s the digs at the Idol watching demographic that seems a tad unnecessary.

Wow, Lilly…ego much? And I voted for her, too. I would’ve gone to see her live, but after this interview I don’t think I’ll lend my support. Oh, and I could afford a ticket to the venue, and would have no 11-year old underage issues. There’s nothing like dissing a whole future (yet unproductive) fan base in one fell swoop.

Dang.. I wish I could have heard Alex sing Mario’s Let me Love You!!!

Do you think it hurt Alex that his name is so similiar to Adam Lambert’s name? Just wondering: maybe Adam’s fans didn’t vote for him or maybe the money people didn’t want any brand confusion?

It’s the digs at the Idol watching demographic that seems a tad unnecessary.

That and she seems to be implying that those who didn’t vote for her are somehow have inferior music taste. I just think her voice wasn’t very good, nothing to do with indie cred or not.

Did the edit function go away?

Do you think it hurt Alex that his name is so similiar to Adam Lambert’s name? Just wondering: maybe Adam’s fans didn’t vote for him or maybe the money people didn’t want any brand confusion?

I wouldn’t think so. Musically they are so different. Did any Kris Allen country fans not like the other Kris Allen ? I dunno. I guess I never thought about it that way.

Ha Ha I said it all along that Alex and Lilly are not that great. I was right. I feel sorry for Todrick but I am happy that Katie, Andrew and Paige are still in. They have the raw talent and better personality too!

Lilly pretty much summed up what I think about the majority of AI audience. Everywhere I turn I hear comments like This season is so boring or They should just ditch their guitar and move around stage. It simply shows that America isn’t ready for underground music.

Do you think it hurt Alex that his name is so similiar to Adam Lambert’s name? Just wondering: maybe Adam’s fans didn’t vote for him or maybe the money people didn’t want any brand confusion?

I’m a big Adam fan, and Alex was my favorite. The name made no difference. I just thought it was pretty funny about the names.

Obviously can’t speak for anyone else, but I’d be very surprised if any more than a handful would choose or not choose him because of the name. It would be pretty silly and unfair.

I would have loved to see Alex do Rolling Stone week! Sads…

I bet the producers wish they had kept last years format now.

Anyway, Lilly sounds like she was OWED something.

I hated her attitude from the very beginning. And she sings like a cat in heat. Really annoying

What I think is interesting is that the bloggers throw the hands up in surprise when surprise elminations occur, but call those same contestants arrogant when they express surprise for their own elmination. In fact, I’m happy that Alex Lambert expressed surprise for getting voted off, it means he’s finally gaining the confidence that might have contributed to his elimination from the show.

In defense of Lilly Scott, regardless of whether she’s arrogant or not, she’s got some things correct. How many people who watch this show actually know or care who Radiohead is? First and foremost, this show is for the mainstream music lovers and television watchers. The comments on this site are accusing her of generalizing the voting demographic, but honestly, it isn’t a generalization if it is correct. Yes, there are more than tween girls voting for this show of course, but the 30 million+ people who watch this show are watching it for entertainment, and to hear an artist that THEY want to hear on mainstream radio stations across the country. They’re not in it for underground indie music. That is just how it is.

Lilly should not have been voted off, but if her expectation is to make an indie album with the likes of Bjork and Radiohead, then American Idol was never the platform for her. That doesn’t mean, however, that she cannot benefit from national exposure. Arrogant or not, I wish her the best.

I think Lilly was just telling it like it is. I don’t think she was being arrogant, just saying what other people wouldn’t. Alex wasn’t being arrogant either. They are right, the people that went home, the majority of us didn’t see them going.

I don’t think Lilly needs to STFU. She’s just speaking her mind, and she deserves to after being totally robbed last night.

And, I don’t see anything wrong with her wanting to keep her indie cred while on the show. That’s one reason I like her; she totally knows who she is and wants to stay that way.

I agree with both of these comments. I do thing she had a bit of a case of sour grapes, but overall she was just trying to explain why she didn’t last on the show. I don’t necessarily agree with her, though. I was at a party a few weeks ago and we talked about her, and most people there liked her, and hardly any of them represented what she assumes would be her demographic.

Alex was a pretty great singer for being almost totally inexperienced. He sounds a little overconfident, like when he says things like, “I can sound good on anything.” Especially when he hasn’t done much. But self-belief is good.

I officially love Lily. I wish I would have found out her personality before she got eliminated I would have voted for her more. I wish she would have gotten “Nude” cleared that is one of Radiohead’s best. I would have also liked to see her tackle Erykah Badu who is trending more indie nowadays.

I can’t wait to hear Alex sing again. I am guessing his contract probably won’t let him sing when he’s on Ellen, though? It’d be wonderful if he could get out of it, I’d buy an album of his today, nerves or no nerves.

It’s really encouraging to see how confident he seems in this interview. I was afraid he’d disappear after this and I’d hate to never hear him sing again. His voice is really special.

Lilly is certainly not the best contestant to not make top 10. There have been many before her. Nothing annoys me more than people who think they are too cool for Idol but want to compete on Idol. Idol sure could use more variety this season and I think the judges were trying to stack the deck in a certain direction with their choices for the final 24 but Lilly was not the Idol savior she perceives herself to be.

“Nothing annoys me more than people who think they are too cool for Idol but want to compete on Idol.”

EXACTLY.

Lilly Scott does not need to STFU. I actually think she’s got a pretty clear-headed understanding of why she was voted off early. The judges (and apparently producers) loved her, but “her fanbase wasn’t there” as she says. I expected her to get cut earlier than she should have based on her talent, just not before the top 12. It’s true that people who like indie music aren’t the biggest Idol demographic (though I am one of them – an indie music lover who watches AI.) And singing Patsy Cline probably hurt her. There are so many young people who don’t know Patsy Cline.

I think it’s great Lilly took a chance. The fact that she even tried out shows she didn’t think AI was beneath her. And I don’t see any reason for false modesty from her or Alex. Let’s be blunt – some of the most talentless hacks who every hacked there way onto the idol stage made it to the top 12 over people who actually have talent. At least Lilly knows exactly who she is as an artist, which is not something Paige, Tim, Lacey, Katie, or Aaron could say.

why do people on this board think Alex has a good voice? Because Ellen said so? He sounded terrible this week. actually that John Legend song was the only decent performance he has done on he show. Give it up already.

I had another song in mind: “Let Me Love You” by Mario. It’s an R&B song, but I was going to change it up and make it my own. But it was a song a lot of people didn’t know so I went with my second choice because one of the producers was telling me, “If you do this song, you’ll get more votes.”

Aww….that would have been a good song choice. I think just as many people would know that song as Trouble.

I don’t think Lilly is arrogant, although I do think it is funny that she says people who would like her are doing better things than watching american idol, but then later talks about how her favorites never win idol lol. The one thing that bothered me was she kept going on and on about underground music, but she kept bringing up Bjork and Radiohead….what is this, 1993?

Well, I like Lilly as an artist. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with everything she says. If she’d never actually watched Idol, I’d cut her some slack regarding her expectations. But, she did watch. She had favorites. So, she knew the game.

I do feel bad for Alex, but, based on his total breakdown after his elimination, I don’t think he’s got the stuff to survive in the business. (I’ll just copy that sentence and save it for when Didi is voted off.)

I will say on Alex, I’m a big fan of his voice, but I’ve watched a few video interviews of the typical Fox variety from today and he definitely needs to work on his interview skills. MJ commented on him sounding sad and tired, which he did in the other interviews too, but I’m not sure if he is or that is just his manner of speaking, which makes him come off completely disinterested and sadly, not very likeable. He says “like” and “whatever” just about every other word.

That and I’m starting to think he’s suprisingly a tad overconfident. Confidence is good, but he kind of makes me cringe with some of the things he says in a those are things you should be thinking and not saying out loud kind of way. Though I realize he’s young and will hopefully learn.

To be quite honest was Lilly even that good? I mean I did like her performance in Hollywood but her last 2 performances during the live show weren’t that good. If Lilly did an amazing job during the semifinals she would’ve made it. No one was ever raving about her performances like Crystal, Mike, or Siobhan. PPL liked her because she was an interesting contestant. Yes you can blame the voting demographic that they would rather have ppl like Katie or Aaron but honestly her performances were nothing to get excited over. Do I think she deserves to be there over other ppl yes but it just goes to show you with teenyboppers voting on looks and everything else besides talent, you have to be on top of your game and unfortunately she wasn’t.

Lily is another cocky banana. Is she the one who mentioned that she can play many instruments?

LOL – I just realized why that particular video package made me cringe. It reminded me of Jason Yeager’s video package about playing sooo many instrument. (Although to Lilly’s credit, at least she played one on the show!)

Todrick, Aaron, Tim, Lacey, Paige, Katie. I don’t understand the need for false modesty. He was better than at least half the people left (I would have put him in the top 4 or 5) and he knows it as did Lilly.

Yeah, I don’t find it awful that someone like Lily feels like she has more to offer musically than some of the people still on the show, because I happen to agree with her. Maybe if I didn’t…. It’s always a funny thing with shock boots and the sour grapes phenomenon. The viewers express a lot of outrage at the results and bemoan the unfairness of it all, but when the actual bootees are outraged on their own behalf it almost invariably comes off as bitterness or arrogance. Happened with Michael Johns last season a bit, too.

Everywhere I turn I hear comments like This season is so boring or They should just ditch their guitar and move around stage. It simply shows that America isn’t ready for underground music.

Heh, that ditch the guitar meme is interesting, especially since last season everyone was missing the use of instruments in the semis. But I don’t think it has as much to do with America’s acceptance of underground music or lack thereof as it has to do with the casting this season seeming to favor the guitar playing indie-ish artists coupled with the overabundance of amateurish, unpolished performers. Grass is always greener, you know.

Ugh! That Lily interview made my skin crawl! Seriously, that is one of the worst attitudes I’ve seen after being eliminated! Not only griping about the AI demographics and implying her fans have better things to do than watch AI, but just the whole dismissal of any possible personal blame in general. Seriously, she sounded very yucky. While I can attest to the fact that some indie kids don’t have TVs and even if they did have TVs they wouldn’t watch American idol and can also attest to the fact that she is *nothing* special. There are girls like her every where so that attitude reeks.

If she was amazing, it wouldn’t have mattered that her normal demographic wasn’t watching. Look at crystal. She is like, the epitome of a dirty hippie. And do dirty hippies have TVs?? No. Way less than indie kids. Lily is even more marketable than Crystal, but Crystal does fine.

I agree the voting last night was ridiculous, but still, accept a little personal blame. She comes off like such an ass.

Oh and So sad about Alex. He was my favorite and he did NOT under any circumstance deserve to go. He also shouldn’t have said there were like 6 other people who could have gone ahead of him.. but his tone was lovely. And his elimination was so sad.

Oh and this board as a serious lag. I can’t be certain that it’s this board, but it’s very annoying.

I feel like I should have done that a couple of weeks earlier [the Queen song], the problem is that I’m an African American , and a lot of people expected me to sing…Usher, Chris Brown, Ne-Yo, Brian McKnight, Stevie Wonder, any black artist that basically you can sing, but that’s not the kind of music that I want to sing.

Yup Yup. See also Miles, Paige

I really feel sorry for Alex. He’s very talented and also very green. I think he’ll grow and make a career of it. I feel he has a positive attitude going forward. Finishing high school is important and I like his plans to take vocal lessons and concentrate on music. It’s good to believe in yourself.

While I felt Lily should have stuck around a bit longer and made Top 10, I didn’t feel terrible about her leaving. I found her look interesting but I don’t recall being blown away by any of her performances. Her reaction last night was angry and she comes across angry and a bit pompous in this interview.

I feel somewhat insulted by her comments on the AI audience. But she says that she’s watched it over the years so I guess she isn’t too cool for school after all. I’d like to see how she explains the AI audience liking Crystal and Siobhan who are definitely not the pop norm and both seem pretty indie to me.

Good luck to her getting booked at Bonnaroo and Coachella. Those are fantastic festivals.

Alex is just clueless. Katie is more mature, even though she is 2 years younger.

They probably shouldn’t have said anything about the other contestants, but it was probably the most shocking semi-final results show evah! They probably could have said “I didn’t expect to go”. On the other hand, given all the press about how bad the Top 24 was, maybe the whole group has deliberated about who sucks the most and had a good laugh. We’ll never know.

Lilly’s interview was hilarious to me. From “the people who are cool enough to vote for me are too cool to have TVs or cars or watch American Idol” to revealing that she always watches the show herself! Lilly is not even cool enough to vote for Lilly. If only Thom Yorke and Bjork had TVs and an AT&T text messaging plans! She’ll read that interview someday and laugh.

I’m too lazy to find a link, but I know Alex mentioned in an interview that he was going to do his own take on a Mario song (Let Me Love You) but a producer told him that Trouble would get him more votes. Sounds kind of knollish to me since Ray Lamontagne is not exactly at the top of the charts. I wish he had done the other song.

Gangreen: Interesting about this being “1993″ when talking about Radiohead. Radiohead actually had some HUGE, monumental albums over the past decade that were very well received by true music critics (as in, not mainstream music listeners).

In fact- their album Kid A was voted the best album of the decade by Rolling Stone magazine. To each his own, but just know there is a plethora of other music that is not showcased on Idol and that does not make it outdated or “from 1993.”

It sounds like Lilly and Alex (and whoever else is believing that others should have been gone before themselves) are lacking modesty/manners. In the most recent seasons, you never got a sense that Jordan, David C., David A., Kris, Adam, or Allison were ever less than supportive and appreciative of their competitors. It is one thing to believe something within your mind but quite another to express it publicly. They need a serving of “humble” pie!

Well I was NOT the least bit outraged at Lily’s exit. She isn’t THAT great. Yeah Katie should’ve gone but Katelyn should’ve stayed over her, not Lily. Lily’s mousey annoying voice did her no favors and her self-entitlement just makes her seem like a very ugly person. I hope that despite the huge target on her back, Katie can step up her game because she was fabulous in Hollywood. It’s not Katie’s fault and clearly, she felt bad. But if Katelyn can’t be there, then I’d rather see young Katie over Lily any day. I think Katie can grow and learn. Lily thinks she has it all figured out. And sorry you bitch, Lily, but there’s nothing “underground” about you. You think you’re so offbeat and cool, but really, you just suck and are annoying as hell.

You had to be listening in on the phone call to hear Lilly’s tone of voice. Yes, she was super smug.

I think she’s really hurt right now that America rejected her, hence the bitter attitude is somewhat understandable. But she needs to understand a few things.

1. The AI audience is not full of tween voters. There are tons of adults who vote early and often.

2. The AI demo is also more broad than she thinks. She used to watch it, right? To use the demo excuse for her elimination is too simplistic. The whole “Oh I was too good for this shiz anyway” attitude is probably not going to help her learn anything from her experience.

3. I happen to be a fan of Lilly’s voice and wished she would have stayed longer, but i KNEW she wasn’t connecting to the Idol audience, but not because she’s too indie are too much of an “artiste”. There was something slightly off-putting about her personality. I don’t care much about the personality thing myself, but to the vast Idol audience, personality is just as, if not more important than your singing ability. You better find a way to connect. Oh, and I hope Crystal Bowersox has learned from Lilly’s early elimination. Because she’s beginning to give off some “I’m too cool for school” vibes herself, and it will kill her run, no matter how well she sings.

4. If Lilly hadn’t performed last this week, her elimination would not have surprised me.

She’ll read that interview someday and laugh.

Yes. She’s only 20. Hopefully, she’ll learn.

Alex: you are not ready for primetime when it takes you this many weeks to “come out of my shell.” Every single performer struggles with stage fear, and if you can’t conquer it yet singing for a gazillion people on TV is not the first thing you do. Start gigging.

Lilly: Yup, I’m with MJ. “Too cool for school.” I think the judges way overhyped her, they fell in love with her look and her attitude and neglected to see that she didn’t such a great voice. Though Paige has had some train wrecks, she may be a better singer all in all. In any case, Lilly, show a little graciousness. Nobody outside your circle knew who the heck you were before you got some airtime. Be glad for the exposure.

Toderick: This guy thinks like a pro — dust your ass off, and get moving. Man, I liked you more than most, but you weren’t Idol material. I think you’d be great on Glee! Go for it!

Gangreen: Interesting about this being “1993? when talking about Radiohead. Radiohead actually had some HUGE, monumental albums over the past decade that were very well received by true music critics (as in, not mainstream music listeners).

In fact- their album Kid A was voted the best album of the decade by Rolling Stone magazine. To each his own, but just know there is a plethora of other music that is not showcased on Idol and that does not make it outdated or “from 1993.”

Lol, I knew some radiohead fan would yell at me, but sorry I wasn’t saying they are outdated, just that they certainly aren’t underground music. Mentioning that Rolling Stone named them album of the decade just proves my point…

Honestly, Alex just seems like a kid without a lot of guile.

Yes. And he was very sad and tired on the phone. I felt bad for him.

It sounds like Lilly and Alex (and whoever else is believing that others should have been gone before themselves) are lacking modesty/manners. In the most recent seasons, you never got a sense that Jordan, David C., David A., Kris, Adam, or Allison were ever less than supportive and appreciative of their competitors. It is one thing to believe something within your mind but quite another to express it publicly. They need a serving of “humble” pie!

Eh… if Lilly believes this, I’d rather her say it than pretend she doesn’t. I also think that a lot of the S7 and S8 love was pretty damn genuine.

As to the interview… well, I think some of what Lilly says is outright silly, and really unaware about how the show works. That aside, I’m not mad that’s she pissed per se. Seems strange to kick her while she’s down. Ditto with Alex, really. Don’t blame any kind of anger or acknowledgment that the show’s contestants did have a basic pecking order, even if doing so was a far cry from savvy.

I’m not outraged by Lilly’s or Alex’s attitude at all. If they don’t think they’re good and could have won why go on the show? ITA with what Lilly said about the viewers. I think they get it wrong all the time which is why we have people make the tour like Sanjaya, Haley, and Kristy Lee among many others. That’s not to say that people shouldn’t be able to vote but wish they’d limit calls to 5 from a household like DWTS.

The viewers express a lot of outrage at the results and bemoan the unfairness of it all, but when the actual bootees are outraged on their own behalf it almost invariably comes off as bitterness or arrogance.

Well said sunchick.

Yeah, I don’t think Radiohead qualifies as underground. Heck, I don’t think Bjork does either.

Alex strikes me as someone who has a lot of growing up to do honestly. In his EW interview he said that he tried out because his mother made him and she threatened to take his phone away if he didn’t. LOL. But I agree with Zsus that he’s not going to make it unless he gets a thicker skin.

Gangreen: Ah, understandable. They are, however, not well known by most mainstream music lovers. You don’t hear them on mainstream radio stations. I think that was the point Lilly was trying to make, she never really had a voting demographic on Idol. Most “underground indie” fans do not watch American Idol – and why would they want to?

Agree with you mj. It’s important for young people to learn that we may believe that we are the most qualified but it does not mean that we are a “fit.” Most of us have not gotten that job after we had a great interview. Life is that way. Many, many factors contribute to “winning” not only on AI but throughout all of life’s experiences. If we’ve done our best then we should be pleased/satisfied with that and move on to our next challenge with no regrets and determination.

I really feel sorry for Alex. He’s very talented and also very green. I think he’ll grow and make a career of it. I feel he has a positive attitude going forward. Finishing high school is important and I like his plans to take vocal lessons and concentrate on music. It’s good to believe in yourself.

While I felt Lily should have stuck around a bit longer and made Top 10, I didn’t feel terrible about her leaving. I found her look interesting but I don’t recall being blown away by any of her performances. Her reaction last night was angry and she comes across angry and a bit pompous in this interview.

I feel somewhat insulted by her comments on the AI audience. But she says that she’s watched it over the years so I guess she isn’t too cool for school after all. I’d like to see how she explains the AI audience liking Crystal and Siobhan who are definitely not the pop norm and both seem pretty indie to me.

I think Alex came across good in this interview. He does have a good voice, and potential and did well for someone with little experience. I didn’t like him much on the show, but understand where he’s coming from now and hope he does something in the future.

You make a good point about Lily, and that the other frontrunners are also indie artists. And there was an indie artist a couple of years ago that ended up winning who also did a Radiohead cover pre idol. So I don’t think that it is that the AI audience won’t listen to someone that isn’t mainstream. Maybe she’s much less mainstream than the other indie artists that did better. It’s still no reason to put down the audience if they don’t get her.

I still like Lilly,but she gives off a crystal-like attitude.Oh, so she is who a tweet a couple weeks ago about hoe not all contetants are nice…

11 and 12 year old girls

No,it’s frau and cougars

My friend was in tears all day about Alex…

Now I am curious about Kaetlyn.

Alex doesn’t sound like ego to me. He just sounds like he doesn’t have media training.

Todrick… I don’t think he’s a shady guy. But he did have a kind of inflated opinion of his arranging skills. LOL.

I agree Lilly is young, and probably pretty hurt. That was a bit of the “well you guys are lame anyway!” attitude to me. She just needs a few more years under her belt… she’s a little all over the place vocally.

I’m def getting the “too cool for school” vibe from Crystal. If she’s too good for the show or thinks it’s beneath her, she should quit. Then she and Lily can hit the festivals together. I’m not even kidding.

I think that was the point Lilly was trying to make, she never really had a voting demographic on Idol

Neither did Adam Lambert……the idea is to be talented and likable enough to create your own voting demographic, which he was able to do. I consider Adam to be far more out of the mainstream of Idol voters than Lilly.

Neither did Adam Lambert……the idea is to be talented and likable enough to create your own voting demographic, which he was able to do. I consider Adam to be far more out of the mainstream of Idol voters than Lilly.

I agree, if you’re on Idol, you have to appeal to somebody or you’re not gonna get votes. But I think Lilly’s determination to do something different and her own way was what cost her this voting demographic. I can applaud her for not trying to appeal to the mainstream too much. But again, I ask the question of why exactly she tried out for this show.

Kaitlyn, at least in the interviews I’ve seen, seemed to be saying the same type of things as Lilly and Alex for the most part. In terms of that she wasn’t necessarily expecting to be eliminated last night and etc. But the difference to me between her and Lilly (and Alex to a lesser extent) from what I’ve seen is Kaitlyn seems a bit more media saavy. Either that or she’s not worried about preserving indie cred. She wasn’t outrightly dissing Idol voters or anything like that.

FWIW, Crystal, Lilly and Kaitlyn were supposedly all BFF’s.

I’m def getting the “too cool for school” vibe from Crystal. If she’s too good for the show or thinks it’s beneath her, she should quit. Then she and Lily can hit the festivals together. I’m not even kidding.

I’m getting that vibe from her too, and it put me off a bit to her. This is getting to be a weird season.

I’m def getting the “too cool for school” vibe from Crystal. If she’s too good for the show or thinks it’s beneath her, she should quit. Then she and Lily can hit the festivals together. I’m not even kidding.

The winner shouldn’t be whoever is the biggest fan of the show…it is just who connects best with the audience. That isn’t even to say however that I think Crystal feels the way you think she does. She said in her interview in the other thread that she hadn’t watched the show before so she didn’t know just how cool it was, and that she likes group songs. I don’t even really get that vibe from Lilly, I think she is just trying to wrap her head around a difficult situation for her right now.

I’m watching the episode from one week ago where Lilly performs A Change is Gonna Come and Katelyn does The Scientist next.

It was waiting on my TiVo because my mom hadn’t seen it.

She just adores Lilly so much it breaks my heart.

I feel like I might punch someone right now.

I am glad to see from the interviews that Todrick,Alex and Lily still have confidence in their abilities and know they are talented singers who can succeed and that America doesn’t always get it right based on talent. IMO all four of the eliminated contestants should have made the top 12 based on their singing abilities. My brother who has been in Indie and Rock groups has the same opinion about American Idol that Lily has so I don’t find her attitude surprising. She tried out so obviously she didn’t think she was above the show and probably is a little hurt by America’s rejection of her abilities as anyone else would be when they are eliminated. I was glad to see her speak out for the other 3 eliminated contestants last night. Sometimes I don’t agree with everything she says, but I liked what she said last night. I wish success to all four of them and glad it appears that they still believe in themselves after having their dreams kicked down a bit by being eliminated from American Idol.

I agree with those who point out that those from past seasons rarely said anything remotely negative about fellow contestants. What has happened to being gracious? What happened to “if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all”? There’s a difference between confident and being arrogant. Also, not sure how Lilly can possibly think that she’s the only indie girl. Her Patsy Cline was crap, but she WAS better than some of those who stayed. Also agree that Alex needs to grow up. Todrick always gave off a smarmy vibe, but it’s obvious that he didn’t watch last season to see how Adam made his theatre experience work for him. Katelyn was going to be eliminated at some point, but there were others who should have been gone before her.

i don’t think lilly was being cocky? she didn’t deserve to be eliminated and it’s okay for her to be surprised and think she could have been in the top 12. but think what you want.

I don’t find Lilly’s comments to be smug or “too cool for school” at all. I actually think she’s right. Sure, the Idol audience has some diversity to it (although the indie lovers are not very well represented), but the ones who vote their fingers off tend to be mostly tween voters, until it gets closer to the finale. I think most older voters and definitely most serious music lovers just watch it either for a laugh or for some sort of entertainment, with little interest in voting. I remember being shocked at hearing people who consider themselves to be huge fans of someone who just don’t vote. My guess, is that if you did a simple poll of the folks who watch the show, Lily would probably be in the Top 8. I do think the lack of limits on voting and texting contributed to the horrendous results last night.

What some are labeling as “too cool for school” behavior to me is simply these kids doing their own thing, being true to themselves and not acting like pageant or, well competition kids. I remember that David Cook got called on this too. Personally, the only ones I tend to root for are those who are just enjoying the process of expressing themselves and not getting caught up in the competitive circus atmosphere. Yes, Crystal is also doing this, and I love it. I think its great that they’re doing their own thing and if American Idol voters like it, great, and if not, they’ll seek out those who do.

I’m really glad that Lilly tried out for the show and gave it a shot. My sense is that the producers, the judges, and the vocal coaches all loved her and appreciated her unique independent vibe. I think they’d like to stretch the voting public’s tastes out as well, but obviously to have a successful show, they can’t go too far. These results have got to be as frustrating to them as the are is to many of us. How can they showcase interesting vital music when people are voting based on cuteness, popularity and well, familiarity? If the producers really wanted to fix this problem, they’d limit votes to 10 or so. Every season, this comes up, when obviously popular contestants get voted off. And still, no changes. But last night was the absolute worst case.

And I really like what Todrick said about attempts to pigeonhole him as a ‘black artist’. I’ll say it again, black male contestants have an uphill battle on Idol.

Neither did Adam Lambert……the idea is to be talented and likable enough to create your own voting demographic, which he was able to do. I consider Adam to be far more out of the mainstream of Idol voters than Lilly.

There’s a main difference, Adam is a good looking guy, so is Kris, that gave them an immediate advantage.

I’m def getting the “too cool for school” vibe from Crystal. If she’s too good for the show or thinks it’s beneath her, she should quit.

Crystal was thrilled and thankful to be there last week after her trip to the hospital, she even told that to Jim Cantiello yesterday. If she didn’t care about the show, she wouldn’t have been devastated by her friends leaving yesterday.

the idea is to be talented and likable enough to create your own voting demographic,

this! I do think that almost any genre can succeed provided that the contestant can work toward achieving the above. Blake in season 6 was in beat boxing and succeeded to get to top 2.
So for me, blaming the audience is just a pile of crap

Neither did Adam Lambert……the idea is to be talented and likable enough to create your own voting demographic, which he was able to do. I consider Adam to be far more out of the mainstream of Idol voters than Lilly.

That’s a great point. No one like Adam had been on AI before, and he did great on the show. He even brought people into watching the show that never did before, David Cook did too.

Maybe that’s part of what is missing this year, at least for me, I’m not finding too many of the contestants likeable, that in addition to talent is a factor for this show.

I agree with those who point out that those from past seasons rarely said anything remotely negative about fellow contestants. What has happened to being gracious? What happened to “if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all”?

You know, this is what I actually like about this show now. Last year it was as if the “pageanty” part of the show kind of went out the window and you had some big personalities like Adam and Gokey. If someone has something to say, why not let them say it? I don’t think Lilly destroyed the show and plus – why should she suck and play the whole “if you don’t have anything nice to say” card. This isn’t second grade. These comments are what has made the show evolve and has made contestants push the envelope a bit. I welcome interviews like these.

Adam’s Theatre Experience had him stereotyped alot too ,though like Todrick’s who knows maybe he would have won if it wasn’t emphasized so much. There were alot of Adam belongs on Broadway or Vegas or he can’t be a recording artist or he’s an actor or poseur. I think people with strong musical theatre backgrounds are not that accepted on idol. Adam just did well cause he had incredible vocal talent. It probably hurt Todrick some. Todrick didn’t seem to have arranging experience like Adam or Kris did, he never performed in a band just sang in musicals I think. At least he tried to arrange I thought he did Ok with his arrangements and they weren’t terrible like the judges said.

Should we tell Lily how old most of us are?

Yeah that’s kind of funny. I don’t know if 11 year olds can stay after 10:00 pm on a school night or better yet stay till 1:00am because they have to vote for 4 straight hours for their favorites.

My guess is the majority of these voters can and they don’t have to do any school work either. (like me !!)

And I like Lilly (never voted for her), Alex (voted) and especially Katelyn (voted like crazy).

Alex has said nothing wrong, he is just raw and honest. While I could agree with the need for media training and media saavy, I think viewers could also be more media sensitive themselves and cut the contestants some slack.

Lazy reading does not help either and I admit that I have been guilty of too quickly reading myself. This is why I try to give a contestant every benefit of the doubt and cut them slack. A contestant can’t protect themselves from those that misunderstand or blow something out of proportion, even if they are saavy.

The way I undestand it, Alex was talking about the other contestants who were telling him all during the day that they thought he would be safe. This is consistent with the other contestants indicating that Alex was well loved by the other contestants.

I got the impression that there were about six names (that were not Alex and the ones cut) that were discussed among the contestants as being potentially eliminated. The contestants themselves were not expecting these results. This is what Alex was talking about. That is not the same thing as Alex saying that he thought six contestants would be eliminated before him.

Trouble Trouble Trouble…
I’ve been…
saved by a woman
She won’t let me go

Was she Siobhan, Mr Lambert ^^ ?

Adam’s Theatre Experience had him stereotyped alot too ,though like Todrick’s who knows maybe he would have won if it wasn’t emphasized so much. There were alot of Adam belongs on Broadway or Vegas or he can’t be a recording artist or he’s an actor or poseur. I think people with strong musical theatre backgrounds are not that accepted on idol. Adam just did well cause he had incredible vocal talent. It probably hurt Todrick some. Todrick didn’t seem to have arranging experience like Adam or Kris did, he never performed in a band just sang in musicals I think. At least he tried to arrange I thought he did Ok with his arrangements and they weren’t terrible like the judges said.

I also think Adam had more potential or just was more prepared to be a pop star.

Todrick didn’t seem to have arranging experience like Adam or Kris did, he never performed in a band just sang in musicals I think.

Adam used the arrangements of other people in at least a couple of his performances

I’m happy that Alex Lambert expressed surprise for getting voted off, it means he’s finally gaining the confidence that might have contributed to his elimination from the show.

Yes, I’m happy about that too. I think now that he has had a taste of a bit of success, it will give him the drive he needs to push himself out there more. Alex should be proud of himself. He not only was selected for AI, he made it through Hollywood week and survived a couple of weeks on the show. And this with no experience. I think he has a great deal of potential. I will look forward to his album. Who knows, he might get one. Josiah Leming is releasing one and I will say Alex is a much better singer than Josiah I’ve only heard one song Alex wrote and I thought it was pretty good. Josiah may be a better songwriter, but I think Alex has more commecial appeal.

doing something more productive than watching TV, let alone ‘American Idol’”

Ouch!

I do agree with her on everything else she said though, didn’t we all kind of agreed last night that this was fault of the evil tweens voting Katie and Tim in instead of Lilly and Alex?

There’s no real explanation for Lilly being out of the show, other than the fact that she isn’t what most of the audience wants to hear.

Lilly was refreshing, while neither Katie, Tim or Aaron are as good as most of the teenagers that have been on the show before them.

I like her and I’m gonna be looking for anything she puts out there.

Please bring back the edit key. I never get it right the first time.

I really think that the voting should be limited to 10 votes per phone line. You could use those 10 however you wanted, all on one person or scattered about your favorites. I think many more people would vote if that were the case and we would see much different results. Of course, you would still have people buying and borrowing extra phone lines so they could get more votes in for their favorites. It would be much more balanced though.

I did get the impression last night and the week before that some of the contestants themselves (Tim is a good example) expected to go before someone who did. It’s just not very classy to claim that you’re better than the people who stayed.

We need to stop using the phrase ‘voted off’. They weren’t voted off, they just didn’t get enough votes to stay.

Todrick didn’t seem to have arranging experience like Adam or Kris did, he never performed in a band just sang in musicals I think.

Adam used the arrangements of other people in at least a couple of his performances

Right, people in the past have used other peoples arrangements on the show, but part of it is knowing what is the best arrangement for yourself and what type of artist you want to show yourself to be.

I miss the edit key too.

Speaking of Siobhan, Alex did say he loved her on Good Day NY today, but I don’t think he meant it quite like that. But they did question him on why she was so upset about his ousting.

I thought it was going to be a bunch of divas walking around. There were some, of course—there’s going to be some in every bunch—

I would love to know who Katelyn was talking about.

I like Lilly. A lot. But after this week’s performance, I found myself wondering if maybe she might get old kinda fast.

And Alex, sweetheart, if you’re reading this…I love you but please, please, PLEEZE, finish school if you were serious about saying you haven’t. Everything else can wait. Even my lonely iPod.

but the ones who vote their fingers off tend to be mostly tween voters, until it gets closer to the finale. I think most older voters and definitely most serious music lovers just watch it either for a laugh or for some sort of entertainment, with little interest in voting.

Oh, I think you’re wrong about that. Tweens neither have the will, nor the attention span, or the organizational skills or finances to be voting their little fingers off. There’s homework, bedtime, and friends to hang out with.

The most rabid voters I’ve seen are all adults.

Well Kaetlyn is interesting. I like the part about them all jamming together. But I did find that statement about Idol contestants intriguing – the people who haven’t paid their dues thing. The funny thing is, people who have been working at it for years have always been on Idol, but her perception seems to be that wasn’t the case until they started letting in instruments. That’s a common perception among struggling musicians, so I’m not surprised.

Also interesting that she considered her performance of “The Scientist” to be closer to her true vibe. I wasn’t expecting that. I wonder why she started off with that Beatles tune?

I don’t like everything Adam has said, but many of the quotes listed here Adam has said were misquoted (most from UK media). But, I think Lilly is honest like Adam and I don’t really have a problem with what she said – she was just reacting to her elimination. Often times things don’t come out right. Adam has said drugs were the dark time in his life and made him look for love in wrong places, and Lilly is right that her audience is probably not sitting at home power voting. Honestly, that is the truth. Not a diss, but it is the older female voters, and tweens that have the time and interest to power vote. I also think Didi is just more likeable and seemed to be in trouble so she drew votes. It is TV and is a reality show over talent.

The most rabid voters I’ve seen are all adults.

I’ll admit to that. But only for last season! Well, and for season 7 too. lol

Kara came up to me as well saying that she thinks maybe America thought that I already had the whole package and was already ready to go as an artist, and so comfortable in my own skin, that maybe America didn’t know what to do with me. American Idol is really about finding that amateur artist that’s so vulnerable and then turning them into a huge pop star. I thought going into the competition with a lot of experience under my belt would be a good thing, but, I guess it turned out to be a not-so-good thing.”

So Lilly Scott thinks that all the artists that have won Idol are “amateur artist’s who are vulnerable” Is she out of her freaking mind? This gal is truly full of herself. I watched her performance she was not that good. And I don’t believe she knows anything about previous winners or folks who have go far on the show.

Since I can’t edit, I would also add that my older daughter is through with Idol, and my younger is still watching with me. She wasn’t allowed to vote (bedtime), but I voted for Aaron/Alex for her. But not rabidly. I think I’m burnt out on that!

How many times did Alex say “like” in that interview? He still seems very upset.

I’m sad to see the AI audience reject people like Katelyn and Lilly because they do bring a much more interesting package than the average karaoke singer but if they wanted to go further they should have compromised and sing more popular songs.

In a sense that’s what Adam did, he knew he couldn’t express his weird self at first, so he choose the more mainstream path that still represented him and go for the rocker spot.

I was really getting to like mullet head and am most sad he is gone. He really did have a distinct voice. I wish he could have gotten over those nerves of his. He, interestingly enough, reminded me of a young, still unpolished Paul McCartney. I am starting to like Siobhan though. If she goes I am done.

ross:
03/12/2010 at 8:39 pm

I think Lilly was just telling it like it is. I don’t think she was being arrogant, just saying what other people wouldn’t. Alex wasn’t being arrogant either. They are right, the people that went home, the majority of us didn’t see them going.

I don’t think Lilly needs to STFU. She’s just speaking her mind, and she deserves to after being totally robbed last night.

And, I don’t see anything wrong with her wanting to keep her indie cred while on the show. That’s one reason I like her; she totally knows who she is and wants to stay that way.

I agree with both of these comments. I do thing she had a bit of a case of sour grapes, but overall she was just trying to explain why she didn’t last on the show. I don’t necessarily agree with her, though. I was at a party a few weeks ago and we talked about her, and most people there liked her, and hardly any of them represented what she assumes would be her demographic.

Ross, I find what you’re saying here very interesting. Maybe Lilly can make way for someone else like her to do even better next year. Perhaps she was just the beginning of this break through.

I also think that she’s right in some regards and I don’t think there is anything wrong with what she said. I think she is trying to work through what happened herself and was perhaps throwing out ideas that were coming to her mind. She’s amazing, and she is also a niche artist.

I know my husband was disappointed last night that she was voted off and pretty much said the same things she did about why it probably happened. He was one that liked her and didn’t bother voting.

I hope Alex finds his way, because he has a great voice. I wish them all the best.

Todrick going to by Lilly’s record with all that stolen ticket money?

Tweens neither have the will, nor the attention span, or the organizational skills or finances to be voting their little fingers off. There’s homework, bedtime, and friends to hang out with.

Yep ;p

ewww Katelyn and crystal were friends!!!

Why was Adam mentioned? Sorry I’ll go read the thread.but ILOVEYOUADAM!!!!!!!

…….

(no,I have no idea what the context for that was)

I think that was the point Lilly was trying to make, she never really had a voting demographic on Idol

like Adam…
well not really but that could be one of the reasons he’s not idol but i’m not goin to get into that
this is kinda-sorta/maybe related: In Englih, we have to write a paper or anything.I want to do it on the AI finale LOL!!!!!!!!

I know weird bitter tard shit.But, I don’t care as long as it’s not like that creepy glambert book that’s being
published(it skeers me).

Anyway I think it’ll be fun towrite about,and it’s sortaaa-on-topic (ok not really lol)

If Lilly has so much disdain for Idol’s audience and everything it’s about, why did she audition, again? To save Idol from being cheesy and mainstream? Child, please. There are many other girls who got cut this year who’d have loved to have been in the Top 24 instead.

I’m too lazy to find a link, but I know Alex mentioned in an interview that he was going to do his own take on a Mario song (Let Me Love You) but a producer told him that Trouble would get him more votes. Sounds kind of knollish to me since Ray Lamontagne is not exactly at the top of the charts. I wish he had done the other song.

Sounds very knollish to me, but then I always get a little suspicious when producers are making song suggestions to the contestants. I’m still mad about Alex Lushington (season seven) getting saddled with the sappy Chicago song that got her booted in the semis. That plus the crappy performance order slot makes me think he was bussed, but then again I might just be a bitter Alex tard. I’ll look forward to seeing him on Ellen. I wish he had performed the Mario song.

While I think she’s probably guilty of buying into her own hype, I can’t be mad at Lilly for saying what a lot of folks are thinking. Lilly on her worst day is better than quite a few of the people who made the Top 12. I don’t blame her for being frustrated, but there have been plenty of talented contestants who missed the Top 12 over less talented contestants. She’s not the first and probably won’t be the last.

I’ve softened my opinion of Todrick considerably, and I’m sad that he won’t make the tour. I think he’s being used as a convenient scapegoat for the mess that went down with the Oz production. I think he would have brought a little spark to what is shaping up to be a dull summer Idols tour. I get his frustration regarding being pigeonholed and expected to sing typical R&B/Urban songs. Paige has the same problem-people still insist that she’s an R&B diva just because she’s African-American. Anyway, I wish him luck on getting a spot on Glee.

Oh man, hearing Lilly again on that clip just reminds me how much I’m going to miss her from week to week.

Also, Alex is so shy and just doesn’t know how to express himself well, except with singing.

They really did lose four great contestants last night. (I’ll even admit this with Todrick who I really didn’t like at first.)

I liked Katelyn and thought she was very talented. But I got a certain cold vibe from her. I kind of wonder what she would have looked like with straight hair.

Crystal’s vibe is pretty cool as in cold, but it doesn’t bug me for some reason.

Lilly said…”demographic is probably more of the underground scene who probably doesn’t even own a TV, and if they do, they’re probably out riding their bike or doing something more productive than watching TV, let alone ‘American Idol’”….EXCUSE ME!…Why did you even audition for such a horrid show?..THE NERVES!…love these “INDIE ” artist that just want to “USE” AI for thier own success/gain but feel above it all. Or maybe they just want to teach the little ignorant folks in tv land what music is really about. Give them exposure those unproductive couch potatoes! Well- at least they got off the couch to dial a vote and tell her NO! …I liked her somewhat UNTIL I read that interview….glad she got the boot off now!!!!!…yeah, I get angry about “elite” attitudes.

Lilly was a big turn off in the interview to me. Todrick seemed so real.

I loved Alex’s interview. Katelyn came across as defensive. Good job Alex!

wow @Lilly at the end of that interview. “I’m not a Kareoke singer trying to be a pop star, I’m an artist who was trying to revolutionize the show”. That and the assumption from all of them that 12 year old girls were doing all the voting. She doesn’t come off as a bad person to me, just a little too cocky. She has a lot of talent but she’s not some totally original revolutionary artiste. LOL. I ain’t mad at her though, she’s just very… confident.

After his elimination, what was going on off camera? “It was an emotional moment. I wasn’t expecting to go home. A lot of people weren’t expecting me to go home. It was such a shock…the 4 people who went home, nobody thought they were going to go. There were 4 other people that everyone had in mind…probably 6 other people had in mind before us. A lot of people who were upset were like ‘I made it and he didn’t?’”

Ok……. i SO gotta know who Alex was talking about!!! Anyone have any idea????? And i wonder what he means by different people had different sets of contestants for elimination? Does that mean they have formed clicks or alliances?

Last rant/rave for the night from this AI fan….concerning limiting the votes-just silly!..So, should successful Kelly and Carrie only be considered winners cause they got so many repeated votes? Why is it “fair” voting ONLY if someone we “personally” want in or wins the thing? Then, it is okay?…Why can’t we let American Idol be just what it started out as and just love it for what it has given us!

If I had to put Lilly in a tidy box (and that’s what popular music is all about, and AI even more so) I’d put her in the same place as Crystal: funky coffeehouse chick who sings stuff from when I was 7 and hadn’t yet become sentient (or that sounds like it could have been recorded way back then).

And with all due respect for Lilly’s 20 hard years in the trenches of America, Crystal kicks her ass. Crystal has “it,” that elusive something that no one can bottle but we all instinctively know. Lilly does not have “it.” She interesting, she’s clearly a serious musician, and I loved what she did with “Birdland.” But…that is. not. It.

Wow – Lily’s comments really didn’t come out that well, did they? Only tween voters? Really? Guess she doesn’t know much about the show. And it did come off rather arrogant.

TBH, even Alex came off, not arrogant, but that whole “There were 4 other people that everyone had in mind…probably 6 other people had in mind before us” came out weird for me.

IDK – I always found him over-praised to begin with, so maybe that gave him an over-inflated sense of security on the show. But I really felt most of the guys had a chance of going (except Big Mike). And if I were him I can’t really imagine going out and saying, “oh yeah, there were 6 people who should have gone before us.” IDK.

i don’t blame lilly for thinking and saying what she did… I mean that was what was running thru my head but it hit me pretty quickly that tweens despite her song choices may have found her just as quirky adorable as i did;p it’s like what the other people are saying, she was on an emotional rollercoaster that night and she doesn’t have a publicist to teach her what NOT to say. Me, i’m just sad that I’m not able to vote for her because of where I live

Not sure what to think about Lily. Pretty sure she’s probably just still bitter after getting the boot.
Todrick actually seems like a pretty cool and decent guy to me from his interview.
I really liked Katelyn on the show. From her interview she seems pretty nice.

Alex seems like a really great guy. You can tell he’s upset. I’m sure it has to be really upsetting to feel like you could’ve done more on the show. Now he has me curious. I definitely want to hear more from him.
I really didn’t expect him to leave. I feel a little bad since I didn’t vote for him, but then again I didn’t vote for anyone.
I guess, even though I’ve had my favorites, others are growing on me and I’m having a hard time making up my mind here now.

I’m just glad to read others on here are not happy with the attitude and words of the “voted off” ones this week! Makes me have faith in humanity again to hear folks still like people to exit with some grace and not be puffed up with attitude that is justified by thier own self importance!

And I like Lilly (never voted for her), Alex (voted) and especially Katelyn (voted like crazy).

Hmmm, I liked Katelyn but didn’t vote for her, but did vote a lot for Lilly. I think we split the vote! LOL.

Also, someone mentioned that Lilly was wrong in stating that AI viewers didn’t want experience. To be fair, the thing is, Kara seemed to plant this in her mind, because she was repeating something Kara said. Again, just one more way she was trying to work out what happened.

I remember Thursday night on the show that Kara really emphasized the difference between Lilly (knows who she is) and Katie (seems to be still working hers out). I think this is the idea she (Kara) took from that moment.

Any contestant that felt they “could have done more”—well, should have and would not have been ousted! SIMPLE!….Lets not confuse should with could. If you could -you would!…Even I am getting confused…lol……goodnight all!!!

Hmmmmm….beginning to see why America voted Lilly off. Maybe somehow, viewers can sense this type of a vibe coming from a person and cause them not to vote for her/him.

monleo1705…with you on that one!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m not sure who else Lily thought was up there with her. I mean, Didi got voted through. As did Lacey. As did, well, Crystal. How mainstream are they? Sorry Lily, but you lost the Quirky Voice Sweepstakes. To tell America that she threw pearls before swine is not just cocky – it’s inaccurate.

To tell America that she threw pearls before swine is not just cocky – it’s inaccurate.

Eh, I think she is hurt and just trying to rationalize her ouster. I think a lot of people felt she was safe and therefore didn’t need to vote for her.

beginning to see why America voted Lilly off

To be accurate, it isn’t “America” voting for these AI contestants. Most of the country doesn’t even watch the show. It’s just a small portion of the television viewing audience of American Idol that is voting.

Hmmmmm….beginning to see why America voted Lilly off. Maybe somehow, viewers can sense this type of a vibe coming from a person and cause them not to vote for her/him.

Nah, reportedly folks who were not particularly roses and puppies got far before, even won. I really think she just split votes with similar girls. They were more compelling for whatever reason.

What is there to try and rationalize about Lily’s little entitlement bitchfest? I mean really. She’s a snotty little bitch who thinks she’s too good for Idol and yet tried out for it anyway to bring us into the light about underground music. People freaking CRUCIFIED Danny last year for coming off as smug for every little thing he did, yet Lily’s just just hurt, so it’s okay for her to act like spoiled bitter hag?

People freaking CRUCIFIED Danny last year for coming off as smug for every little thing he did, yet Lily’s just just hurt, so it’s okay for her to act like spoiled bitter hag?

Maybe I’m just a softie. I always felt Danny was in the throes of grief last year, so I cut him some slack for some of his social awkwardness.

I don’t know Lilly. Maybe she has a huge ego? I’m just giving her the benefit of the doubt. I did think she was talented, but I never expected her to win. But I did expect her to make the tour.

The set of people eliminated last night are no different or somehow more special than others eliminated in the past. It’s American Idol. It happens.

I NEVER LIKEd LILY, as for the whole ‘indie’ thing, no thanks….LOL
the greatness of her style, was just mehhhhhhhhh to me…
obviously mommy and daddy started worshipping at her big feet a long time
ago, and she soon followed.

if you listen to her on good headphones, you will be appalled at her
singing… seriously, her voice was terrible, and the way she languished
in her ‘role’, was just ‘droll’ to me…

The business of performing is unlike any other. The show ‘Entourage’ caught it rather well. You get praised all out of proportion for things that may be just adequate. Conversely – tearing down someone who’s really good is also often the norm. It doesn’t make real world sense, I know. I think Lilly found herself the center of a praise storm: lots of people telling her she was better than everyone else. If you’re not used to such bullshit – it doesn’t come off as contrived. To put it succinctly – she believed her press. I’m sure she’s also found that all those who crowded around trying to catch some of that reflected glory are now long gone – moving on to whoever else they think has promise (and they can latch on to). It takes a strong personality to survive it all. That’s why so many child actors end up like poor Corey Haim. For years they’re told their shit doesn’t stink. Then suddenly none of their former ‘friends’ will even answer the phone. I know. I navigated those waters for years. I started acting at age 11 – moving on to directing in my 20′s. I write now – but I still keep track of the business. Lilly’s had her first hard lesson. Either she’ll learn and move on to better things – or it will sink her. Sad – but that’s how it goes.

Here’s where Lily annoyed me:

ou know, I don’t know. Last night when I watched who made it into the Top 12, specific people were just bumming me out. It seemed like just another season of almost karaoke singers being molded into a big pop star

She goes on to single out Lacey and Katie, and then hint that the producers thought she was fabulous. Oh and that Crystal was singing more “mainstream” stuff. Like….the Beatles? And Patsy Cline? What could be more mainstream than Patsy Cline?

I understand she feels that she’s too “indie” for the great unwashed out here. That’s okay. But calling out her fellow contestants is over the line. You can feel that way, but you shouldn’t do it in public, and I don’t care if you have weird hair and dangling earrings. I’m not a fan of Lacey or Katie, but what great oracle determined that Lily was more deserving? Personally I feel Didi has more promise. Lily is simply ripping off the style of other indie artists, like Jolie Holland.

Sign the petition to get Alex Lambert back on Idol for a Top 13! http://bit.ly/9SqxtF

idoladdict07:
03/13/2010 at 3:51 am
Sign the petition to get Alex Lambert back on Idol for a Top 13! http://bit.ly/9SqxtF

I do love Alex and want him back…but i don’t really think signing a petition is gonna bring him back. It’s been done sadly…

TFLS – great post. I agree that it was a mistake for Lilly to believe the praises of the judges and the producers more. According to her, she kind of knew that the songs that she sings were not that well known (11 year olds don’t know Patsy). So, it was her fault not to try to connect with the voters first.

If I were her, I’ll just be quiet for now. Don’t even open your mouth to justify /try to explain her exit interviews. Just don’t alienate more and more people. I still like her though and wish her the best.
See, Idol is harder than some people realize. My respect and admiration goes higher and higher for those people that made it through the experience.

undercooked:
03/12/2010 at 10:38 pm
Please bring back the edit key. I never get it right the first time.

LOL, yeah, it takes me 5 minutes before I submit, try to proofread it over and over.

Todrick, actually seems like a pretty good guy. Something about his presentation on the show seemed off, but that could have been a total misconception. I wished he had a little more time to prove himself. He, at least, would prove interesting. Same with Alex. I really wish they both had another chance. Sadz

mj:
Oh, I think you’re wrong about that. Tweens neither have the will, nor the attention span, or the organizational skills or finances to be voting their little fingers off. There’s homework, bedtime, and friends to hang out with.

The most rabid voters I’ve seen are all adults.

You are right MJ. I set aside my Tuesday and Wed night for idol.
I don’t know if I’m going to vote this year since my favorites (Katelyn for the girl and Alex for the guy) are gone, but there is still Didi. I’m glad it’s going to be just 2 days a week, because I couldn’t get anything done with the schedule 3x/week.

Anyway, last year I stayed till 1:00 am voting with 2 phones, barely ate dinner and I did not have to worry about homework or going to school that morning. I just took a day off from work.
And we “old” people love eye candy too (and great music), not just the tweens.

It’s sad: I actually kind of liked Lilly and her indie vibe, but wow: her interview was all kinds of obnoxious! And frankly – she isn’t all that great.

The thing about Idol is that it isn’t going to change to fit around you, it seems to me. The clever contestants take the way the show is and twist it to showcase something of what they are about outside its boundaries. Cook, Adam and Kris all did that. And Cook and Kris both come from a really strong, ‘underground’ indie position.

Again, she was totally buying into the ‘dumbass Idol viewers’ herd mentality, when it seems to me that a good proportion of the audience has much wider musical tastes than they’re given credit for. After all, someone’s voting for Crystal Bowersox and she’s hardly mainstream (and she’s much, much better than Lilly too).

To be honest, I wasn’t that keen on Alex Lambert’s interview either, but it may just be his callowness speaking. However, there’s certainly a certain amount of ego there claiming that 6 other people should have gone before him (even if it’s true). I don’t think he’s as great as he thinks he is either though!

The attitude will likely help Lilly more than hurt her in the indie world, if that’s where she wants to stay.

I guess I fit her supposed “demographic”, I’m in my 20s without a tv or a car. I also don’t live in the US though, so I didn’t vote. She should come to Scandinavia, particularly Stockholm.. she fits right in with her voice, goals and self-importance. I do like her a lot, and agree she’s probably just really hurt. She obviously doesn’t think she’s too cool for idol, because she tried out and watched in the past. She may be trying to cover her back now that she’s leaving so early though. With less exposure than she planned on, she’ll need to fall back on the indie kids, some of whom have serious attitudes about “selling out”.

But Radiohead and Björk = indie? Maybe 20 years ago. Try Midlake or Fever Ray.

What is there to try and rationalize about Lily’s little entitlement bitchfest?

Yes. It’s one thing for people who like her to post here that they are disappointed that she is no longer on the show but excusing her really unbecoming attitude is another thing. If there has ever been another contestant who was so ungraciously ‘honest’ after leaving the show, I don’t know who it is.

All this pouncing on Lilly is crazy to me. She’s simply saying what a great many people are also saying about this Top 12. She has every right to be bitter, but really I think she has a good tap on what the dynamics of this season are. And I totally agree with her, that too many in the Top 12 are wannabe or karaoke singers. Actually, I thought that was true of who the producers stacked the deck with at the start of this season. The more I watch this season, the more the word ‘karaoke’ pops into my head which makes me mourn for Idol. I don’t think she included Crystal at all in that configuration. From all accounts, they seem to have a supportive mutual relationship going.

Again, the final votes do not necessarily reflect the views of the majority of the viewing public. Check out the shock waves in the recap articles across the internet this week for evidence of this. If there was a limit on voting, we would have a closer representation of the general consensus, but there’s not. So any quick dismissals saying the public didn’t like Lilly so she’s out, just really ring false to me. All evidence I see is that most viewers either don’t vote or just throw in a vote or two.

Gah! It’s so annoying when everyone says it’s this one type of voter (tween girl).
NO! NO! NO! I’m 16, male and I vote my fingers off every single Tuesday. My mom votes, along with aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. I don’t know of anybody younger than 16 voting.

Oh I think Lilly should have been in the top 12 and I quite liked her. She’s better than many who have gone through. But she’s not as good as she’s painting herself to be.

She’s slightly different for Idol, but, IMO, Idol has been changing for several seasons now and, this season, Crystal is far more of a ground breaker than Lilly is. Added to that, that Lilly’s ‘I.am.slightly.offbeat.and.will.sing.scrunch.my.face.and.smile.slightly.weirdly’ thing was already becoming slightly dull and she doesn’t have that great a voice…

People who feel the need to state how marvellous they are (even if they are) and how nobody gets them or those that do get them are far cooler than the ordinary people are incredibly irritating at the best of times, but at least if they do have an extraordinary talent to back up their claims, you can ignore the ego.

Lilly’s kind of voice is one I can hear all over the UK radio: slightly off beat women singers, most of whom are better at singing and write their own stuff (which is also pretty good).

I’m beginning to think that the biggest influence on AI9 from AI8 was Scott MacIntire :lol

I liked Alex’s interview. He knows what he is good at. He acknowledges what he is bad at. He understands why he was voted off even if he didn’t expect it and he has a plan to improve. I appreciate his honesty.

All evidence I see is that most viewers either don’t vote or just throw in a vote or two.

Of course, so the people who actually care about a particular contestant better vote a lot because that is the only way they will stay on the show. And all of those people writing articles about what a shame Lilly is gone…..how many of them do you think voted?
Idol is a show that you win by VOTES. One thing I agree with most people on, one vote per person would be much better. But it will never happen because Ryan loves to tell us how many votes were cast. How many people voted would be a much, much smaller number.

I wonder how many of the people who are so unhappy about Lilly’s ouster voted for her, or voted more than once. I didn’t bother to vote for anyone because I didn’t have a favorite. There have actually only been three seasons that I have cared enough to vote, although I have watched all of them. Only once did my favorite win. That’s the way it is with this show but I still enjoyed watching. This year, I’m not so sure that is going to be that enjoyable.

People who feel the need to state how marvellous they are (even if they are) and how nobody gets them or those that do get them are far cooler than the ordinary people are incredibly irritating at the best of times, but at least if they do have an extraordinary talent to back up their claims, you can ignore the ego.

Yeah, this is where I am. Lilly is really good and was different for Idol. She deserved to stay way more than some who did IMO. She brought something different to the table. But she’s talking about herself as if she was the greatest.artist.ever to hit the Idol stage, that she was SO much cooler than everyone ever and she was just to much of an “artist” to last on the show… Well, not really. She was very good in that she had a unique style and confidence, but she could be sloppy around the edges vocally and she tended to do the same thing over and over to her songs, making them sound to similar which was going to get old fast. She had flaws too, and its like she doesn’t see that.

Maybe she’s just trying to process what happened and protect her self esteem… its got to be hard to swallow. But some of this is on her too.

My 2 cents: Tim Urban = Sanjaya and Aaron Kelly = Chicken Little (can’t remember his real name)

There is an interview on EW where she sounds even more obnoxious and trashes other contestants (not by name, of course). I agree that at least 2 others deserved to be eliminated before her, but I was never in love with her. I find her look to be outdated and her singing style to be very derivative. And though she has a much better voice, she shows a Megan Joy-ish tendency to try to every song into her style.

I don’t blame her for thinking most of the things she said, but sorry, you just can’t say everything you think or people will think you are an asshole.

Tweens neither have the will, nor the attention span, or the organizational skills or finances to be voting their little fingers off. There’s homework, bedtime, and friends to hang out with.

The most rabid voters I’ve seen are all adults.

Well, Katie, Aaron and Tim are still on this show for a reason. Most of the posters here are unhappy that Lilly, Alex and Katelyn are gone, but someone – somewhere must be rejoicing that the two high schoolers and the faux-Zac are still in the competition and my guess is that it’s those tweens who voted their fingers off.

I think Lilly was trying to be a country singer. I know she is talking indie, But I went back to listen to her past songs, they all have a country vibe to them. Its subtle but I can hear it, especially in fixin a hole. Than in the interview she says she loves Patsy Cline and admire her, I think she could have gotten the country vote if she made it alittle more obvious thats where she was going. I could be wrong, Maybe she wasn’t trying to do country. But It sounds like it, and I thought it was ironic, she got voted off because Simon Cowell said he wanted a “Taylor Swift”.

Other than the kids who know Katie, I would be really surprised if tweens were voting for Katie.

Aaron–well, yes I can blame the tweens for that one ….

Oh, dear gawd. That EW interview with Lilly in unbelievable. One of her remarks:
“I think American Idol every year is about turning someone into something else”.

Former Idol winners are Kelly, Ruben, Fantasia, Carrie, Taylor, Jordin, David C. and Kris. Everyone of them entered Idol knowing who they were as artists and didn’t change their style during the contest. Even on theme nights when they were out of their chosen genre, they usually managed to find a song they could adjust to their style. Viewers like a singer or they don’t……they certainly don’t sit around hoping they will change. The ones who try to change to please the judges don’t last.

Sorry, Lilly, not enough voters liked you. Now please be quiet.

but at least if they do have an extraordinary talent to back up their claims, you can ignore the ego.

I totally disagree. I dunno about anyone else, but I hate bragging and self-entitlement with a stronger passion than I can appreciate talent. I do not believe in “bragging rights”.

I’ll give Lilly the benefit of the doubt because she might just be extremely bitter, shocked, and disoriented, but still, if she keeps this up, she loses my support. I give her points for being honest, but seriously, I would’ve rather she just never talked (I wouldn’t have wanted her to lie, and I wouldn’t have minded her giving herself a bit of self-praise without jabbing at anyone). I don’t buy into the “telling it like it is” stuff either. I’m mostly talking about the digs at people, I don’t get why she has to bring people down because she was knocked down. When you get knocked down, you get back up, but not by knocking everyone else down with you. There’s no need to take jabs. It’s pretty different when you’re a contestant taking those jabs than an audience member because those jabs are about people she had some form of relationship with, even if it wasn’t a big one.

And I’ll be damned, but Todrick seems like a nice guy. I’m kinda ditching the arrogant vibe I got from him and the hatred I gave him afterward, though that Hollywood week disaster will probably have me still a bit angered >_>. And I think he’d be pretty good in Glee….

I kinda wonder who Alex was talking about, but it could imply a situation with the d-word (drama). Ugh. I hate drama in this show, it’s so stupid and uncomfortable.

If anything, I think Lilly could’ve gotten tips from Katelyn. Pimping her contestant without sounding like she was excluding others. Lilly could’ve done the same about herself.

I kinda wonder who Alex was talking about,

well my guess is he was talking about Tim, Aaron, Paige and Katie…That’s who most every one on this blog was saying should go.

I didn’t vote this week,but on the finale I voted 4 hours straight juggling multiple phones skipped dinner,and yes my fingers were cracked when I was done.Then,I was 12,so yes, people under 16 do vote.

The votes should be limited, like they are on Dancing with the Stars and other shows. Because most sane people are not going to sit and vote for two hours straight every week. We have lives! I did that the first year or two, then came to my sense.

On DWTS you get about 11 votes (I forget exactly). That way, reasonable people are more likely to vote, since it only takes a few minutes. The voting on Idol does not always represent the majority, but only of those who are willing to be obsessed enough to vote for two hours, and that’s just not something many people are willing to do.

I was disappointed about Lilly and Alex, for me a big light went out of the season when they left, but I think it’s the voting system that is the problem. I don’t chastise myself for not voting for two hours. In fact I applaud myself for not doing that. It’s just not a reasonable thing to do (for me anyway).

Of course Ryan loves to say “we got 30 million votes” but really that number is not meaningful, when people vote hundreds of times apiece.

ETA: I can see voting for hours during the finale, but to do it week after week, most people just aren’t going to do it. that’s what I think happened to Daughtry on his season, his fans aren’t necessarily the type to sit and vote for a reality show for hours, but they do buy cds

I think between the four axed contestants it’s not impossible they might see six others as weaker.

Who doesn’t think Todrick might see himself as easily outlasting Tim, Aaron or even Casey?

The way Lilly comes off in the interview, can you really say she wouldn’t think she was better than Paige and Katie or Lacey, perhaps even Didi?

Alex probably shouldn’t have put a number on it (lack of media training) but it isn’t anything hundreds of commenters and Idol watchers didn’t already say… I’ll cut him a break.

Alex seems ok and I wish him luck. I’m perplexed that he chose American Idol to be the place to first get his feet wet in music but in that light he did very well. I never “got it” with his voice and thought his song choice this week was poor.

As has been said, Lilly is wrong about who the voters are. She didn’t resonate with viewers because we could pick up on her “too cool for school vibe” and she really wasn’t on the level of Siobhan and Crystal. I once saw it said she seemed fake quirky, not real quirky like Siobhan.

I dunno what really happened with Todrick and the “scandal” rip-off story but between that looming question mark and his cheesy performances, it wasn’t a surprise he was gone. He did deserve to outlast Jermaine Sellers. I thought Jermaine Purifory should’ve been in Top 24 instead.

I can see voting for hours during the finale, but to do it week after week, most people just aren’t going to do it. that’s what I think happened to Daughtry on his season, his fans aren’t necessarily the type to sit and vote for a reality show for hours, but they do buy cds

ITA on both your posts. I voted for Alex last week, but only about 5 times. Reasonable people aren’t going to vote every week hours on end. I can see the finale putting more time into, but that’s about it.

I find it hard to believe that there was massive voting for any of the girls this week except possibly Crystal. I think it is more likely the votes were heavily on the guys side, mainly because of the number of cute, young guys. Plus Mike seems to have impressed people. And Garcia has fans but I have doubts as to how long that will last. And Tyler also has the cuteness thing going, at least for some.

We will never know, of course, but I imagine the votes were fairly evenly divided among the females, except for Crystal. Lilly even got the ‘pimp’ spot and had the same opportunity as all others to garner votes. I put no stock in thinking Lilly had fans that were so sure that she was safe that they voted for someone else. If she had fans that wanted her to stay, they certainly didn’t vote for someone else but not her, so that doesn’t enter into her not getting enough votes.

Believe it or not Lilly comes off worse in other interviews. On Good Day NY, I didn’t see her interview, but when they interviewed Alex and Kaitlyn all the interviewer could talk about was how angry and bitter Lilly was. Poor Kaitlyn was left to spin Lilly’s behavior.

Surprised at how much I’m liking Todrick in his interviews.

I’m starting to think this group of kids might be nice, but perhaps out of inexperience and age, they seems rather cliquish and catty. Instead of competing against themselves they seem to be competing against each other. Or maybe it’s just that the last few seasons of kids have been surprisingly mature in this regard.

Hmmm. I don’t know. I really like Lilly, but I’m a little surprised at her read of the show and what happened. Even if some of these people have not been on the show, there is no way for them to not know of the show and its reputation, not if they’ve lived in America or probably anywhere in the English speaking world. I respect her approach and ambition, but AI has always been a mainstream cheesefest for the most part. I love indie artists. That would probably describe most of my music library. Or at least that type of sound. But the audience for Idol for the most part isn’t really looking for that, not on Idol. So, it wasn’t really a total shock to me that the voters didn’t respond to Lilly like they did to styles and types with which they are more familiar. And to that I say, if there are fans out there horribly outraged, then seek out indie artists on indie labels. Check out the music scene in your city. Those musicians are out there, all over the place, struggling like hell to get noticed. But expecting them to not face an uphill battle on the highest rated show on network tv is just not being realistic.

While I’m not a fan of Katie or Aaron or Lacey or Tim or some of the others and would have chosen them to go home rather than the four that did, I kind of cringed when I heard Lilly almost explicitly say others deserved to go home because they just cover songs and don’t compose original music. This show has always had shocking eliminations. That is part of its history. I have never thought or believed one type of musician deserves to advance because of their style or approach to music. I don’t believe that someone should advance just because they also write songs as opposed to just sing. At the end of the day, it’s not about that. And taking that stand is arrogant and yes a little naive about the show and what the show has historically tried to do within the industry. Why did the audience vote the way it did? I have no idea. Either you connect to the demos voting or you don’t. That is the bottom line. Yes, I’d much rather listen to Lilly and Katelyn than Katie and Paige or even Lacy. But you know what? I didn’t vote. And there you go.

By the way, I was also referencing Lilly’s QandA on EW, which was similar to this.

I have a question for those who are fans of indie artists, please. Bitter and feeling entitled (that’s just how I, personally, feel about Lilly) is not how I think of indie artists. I think of them as laid-back, likable and basically happy people. Well, there are the poetic, angsty types, but even they don’t seem bitter, just kind of sad. Am I wrong?

Well, Judy, most of the truly indie artists I can think of probably wouldn’t go on Idol.

I don’t think most indie artists are bitter or happy. I don’t think Lilly is exactly bitter either. I think its more of an outlook that exists in that world – that creativity and originality exists on the fringes of the music business, and that the mainstream music scene is full of corprate produced souless crap. Lilly is from that world, and AI is seen as the epitome of manufactured music there. So from her frame of reference she’s not being arrogant, she’s speaking the truth.

My problem with that mentality is that it is way too simplistic IMO, because there is artistry on the pop scene and there is artistry in “just” singing. Good and bad exists in both worlds. And original isn’t always the same as good. LOL Yes you do get some kareoke types on idol, but the winners are almost always full of musicality, as are the.runner ups for the most part. And each year, they find a way to push the boundaries a bit more. But anyway I don’t think its just Lilly. There are a lot of people who think like that.

Katelyn and Lilly left because they came off as spoiled and entitled just as their exit interviews indicate.

One thing that I kind of wonder is why Lily decided to go on AI in the first place. Though she said she has watched it in the past, it’s obvious that either she hasn’t watched it in the past few years, or at least not very closely, because of her ideas on the past contents and audience. I’m wondering if an agent or someone advised her to try out for the show. I also wonder about Crystal, because she has even said she never watched the show either, though Crystal does seem to appreciate what the show is doing for her more.

So, I feel Lily essentially has trashed former and some current contestants, and the audience, even the fans that did vote for her. She really doesn’t seem to have an appreciation of what the show could do for someone. Even just being on the auditions could be enough to get enough name recognition and a fanbase.

I’m starting to think this group of kids might be nice, but perhaps out of inexperience and age, they seems rather cliquish and catty. Instead of competing against themselves they seem to be competing against each other. Or maybe it’s just that the last few seasons of kids have been surprisingly mature in this regard.

I hope that that’s not the case, because, ITA – the last few seasons especially have had groups that are all so close and friendly imo. S7 and S8 just rule in that regard – you just had such a sense of joy from everyone. And the post-AI stuff that came out of those seasons only served to reinforce that idea.

I personally love that AI seems to have genuinely nice, friendly, likeable people on it! Among the reality shows, it seems to be one of the few that actually has people who like and support each other rather than purposefully catty drama queens.

Lilly’s comments didn’t bother me at all. She’s a 20-year old kid who just lost out on a great opportunity and was probably feeling a bit humiliated. So, she’s rationalizing things for herself which is perfectly understandable. She’s a bit full of herself, but that’s part of being 20. I agree with her in some respects. I certainly expected her to last longer than some of the contestants that were put through. In a few years, she’ll know better and probably keep those sentiments to herself.

As for Crystal’s supposed attitude: she’s a young, single mother away from her child, probably for the first time; she has a serious, chronic disease that flared up and probably scared her silly; and she just had her two closest friends in this strange place and cirucumstance taken away from her. Not much reason to walk around with a smile plastered on your face. But, she certainly didn’t sound as if she thought she was too cool when she was interviewed at the party. I think she is just out of her element and coping the best she knows how.

Good post as always tinawina.

I don’t blame her for thinking most of the things she said, but sorry, you just can’t say everything you think or people will think you are an asshole

So true – it’s one thing to think these things – sure, I’m sure a lot of people would naturally think, hey, that person hasn’t been good throughout semi-finals, and I’ve definitely been consistenly better than them, but to actually SAY it? That’s a big no-no imo.

Alex says “like” more than anyone ever.

still love him though.

I think it was mentioned, but it bears repeating- Lily DID call people out

“I guess they’re looking for someone like Katie [Stevens] or someone like Lacey [Brown] this year. I don’t know what happened. It’s kind of a bummer.”

Wowwwww. She needs a reality check real quick. I mean, obviously those two aren’t great, but have some class.

AND
“I was receiving just as good – if not better – comments than Crystal. They were saying I was a true artist”

Jesus. There is no way anyone can defend her comments. She is being an arrogant little snot.

On the question of why Lilly decided to try out for AI. It seems to me, she likes pushing boundaries. I don’t think her ‘quirkiness’ is an act. Its part of her identity. She knew she was way outside the typical Idol contestant so why not give it a whirl. If the show producers liked her vibe, then great. If not, no harm in trying. The problem as I see it, is that the producers, judges and voting coaches all loved her style but she didn’t excite enough viewers to vote. I agree that the bulk of people who like her style of music are not watching Idol, and I would also venture a guess that those who are, are much more likely to be those who watch, but don’t vote. I even noticed that big-time with David Cook. I kept on hearing about folks who loved him but just have a thing about voting. Madly passionate fans would put in a max of 10 votes, even at the end. It’s what got me and alot of other folks to get into hardcore voting to make up for all those people. Another hunch is that you’re much more likely to get that kind of fierce voting for male contestants.

This season, while woefully stocked with untrained and in my humble opinion, unready contestants, should be interesting since the top of the heap is female – Crystal and Siobhan. I think Casey and Michael are also at the top but not as popular. And I see Lee, Andrew and Didi, if they pick up their games, are next in line. But I don’t sense any of these kids have near enough star power to garner the amount of passionate voters it takes to win this thing. Someone’s got to win, but I see this season shaping up more like a Season 6, with a “she (or, in a huge stretch, he) is ok but I’m not jumping cartwheels about them”.

I’m really feeling this season to be a huge disappointment, like a sinking ship, so I’m thinking those who leave early are not, ultimately going to be too much worse off. Especially in Lilly’s case, where the Idol brand closes more doors than it opens, I think she’s likely to be better off.

ETA: I do see how Idol molds winners, but that’s really more a problem with the mainstream music industry than specific to Idol. They want to put you in a nice delineated box in order to better sell you as a ‘brand’. Carrie as country singer, Kelly as pop singer. In both these talented women’s cases, they’re trying to stretch that box out to better fit them – Carrie with crossover pop, and I think, ultimately rock songs, and Kelly with tentacles into country, rock, actually many styles. I think David Cook is dealing with much the same as we know he hates boxes. So I really don’t think Lilly is that far off the mark on this account either. The indie scene doesn’t just tolerate uniqueness, it rewards it. And I appreciate those in that world who want to bring some of that vibe into the mainstream world, even though its very much a uphill battle. But that’s how change happens – incrementally.

WOW, Lilly as a really high opinion of herself. Maybe she didn’t get any further because people thought the other contestants were more talented. Why does everyone label her “indie” anyway – because she sounds a little different and wears dream catchers for earrings? By the logic of sounding a little offbeat, half the contestants could be labeled “indie”.

Also, the demographic is not all tweens, my friend. Not by a long shot.

Finally, her insiuating that she is better than the other contestants is really insulting, and it does not bode well for her.

What I’m wondering is HOW MJ got through a phone interview with that girl! I probably would have at least scoffed audibly once or twice.

I haven’t listened to the EW interview, so I may change my mind once I do. But I have a question. Is Lilly saying anything that isn’t true?

I think a lot of people believe she should have stayed on longer than some of the others.

Did she get consistantly good comments from the judges? I don’t think, however, she is right about the Crystal comments. Cystal’s overall have been solid.

I do think she is right that there is a particular demographic that votes. Millions of people watch, but only a tiny fraction of those people vote, and they vote for more reasons than just music.

I think she is naive when it comes to Idol. As someone upthread said, the music industry is going to put you in a box and make you something else if they think it will sell more records. 19 is part of that industry.

This has been a bitter pill for Lilly to swallow, but she might as well get used to it. Life is unfair, and that’s not a news bulletin just off the presses. That little chestnut was etched in stone in some prehistoric cave.

Unknown material, if sung well, usually has people scouring the internet for it. Why are the producers discouraging these kids from singing it?

I see this season shaping up more like a Season 6, with a “she (or, in a huge stretch, he) is ok but I’m not jumping cartwheels about them”.

I could totally see that happening. The default winner syndrome. Especially if Crystal gets an early boot.

I do see how Idol molds winners, but that’s really more a problem with the mainstream music industry than specific to Idol. They want to put you in a nice delineated box in order to better sell you as a ‘brand’.

I agree. I think on the pop level the challenge is to be creative within the conventions of the genre (3 1/2 minute songs, catchy hook, etc) while somehow fitting in on a radio format or 2. But if you can’t figure out how on your own the label will do it for you and the results will probably be quite formulatic. Or if you figure out a way and the suits don’t like it, you get the same result. 19 is no different in that regard.

houstonrufus23:
03/13/2010 at 1:31 pm

Good post as always tinawina.

Aww, thank you. Once in a while I come up with a good one. LOL. Remember this tomorrow when I say something stupid again.

I love Alex, and am sad that he is gone. There isn’t another male contestant left that “I can’t wait to see what they will do”…he was the reason for waiting week to week for the males.
For some reason I keep seeing “X Factor” in his future. When is Simon’s show starting, and what do you have to do to be on it??? I know it sounds kinda conspiracy theorist, but I think Simon is stacking his deck. (Remember back to after the first week, Simon told Alex behind the scenes that he was good…uuummmhhhmmm)

Paolo Nutini – that’s who Alex sounds like.

sign the petition at http://www.change.org/actions/view/bring_alex_lambert_back_on_american_idol to bring back alex lambert

They should sell in Adam’s thread.

Now I know why Alex was eliminated. Because America doesn’t want to see Randy in the bikini. Simon should say Ellen, so may be he can advanced to Top 12.

I was in Lilly’s corner earlier, but after reading more and seeing her calling out Katie & Lacey specifically, I’m disappointed. Even if it is true that inferior talents landed in the Top 12, there’s no need to call them out. Handle your elimination with a little class and grace. Even though she says she’s not bitter, that’s not how she’s coming across.

Reading older entries….IS that a joke? Sign a request to bring Alex back on show?…lol..I mean, really-greater folks have been voted off.(Jennifer Hudson, etc)…Proving that IF he is all that, he will on his own, with no problem- become famous someday!…AND, that undermines the whole basis of the show AI to “bring someone back” by demand,etc….That would just be a mess-I am laughing, sorry.

Alex was the only surprise elimination for me. He and Andrew were my favorites so seeing both of them standing there was scary stuff. Alex looked absolutely devastated to be leaving. I don’t have a problem at all with anyone saying they were surprised to be leaving. I do though have a problem with naming names of others who did not deserve to be there. That’s pretty tackless. Alex and Lily could easily have gotten their point across without taking it to that level.

I also take issue with Lily biting the hand that feeds her. To imply that others could find more productive things to do than watch Idol is a pretty empty statement to make, especially from someone who looked pretty shocked and disappointed to be leaving such a waste-of-a-time-of-a-show. I’d be willing to bet she’d have a different opinion had she made the Top 12. Sour grapes.

By season 9, anyone who still believes Idol is based soley around vocal talent is sadly naive.

ray1:
03/14/2010 at 11:46 am
Reading older entries….IS that a joke? Sign a request to bring Alex back on show?…lol..I mean, really-greater folks have been voted off.(Jennifer Hudson, etc)…Proving that IF he is all that, he will on his own, with no problem- become famous someday!…AND, that undermines the whole basis of the show AI to “bring someone back” by demand,etc….That would just be a mess-I am laughing, sorry.

I have to admit, as someone who never really understood Alex’s appeal either, I was kind of surprised by all the “bring him back” sentiments. He was hardly like the second coming or something. Yeah, J. Hud. Chris Daughtry, so many other really really talented people have been kicked off too soon before, and they never had a chance of coming back.

I mean, there were worse people than Alex left in the competition, but I didn’t honestly think he ever had a chance of winning, that’s for sure. He was getting better among a very weak guys field, and that’s about the best I can say about him.

My friends were all depressed about this week’s eliminations, and I think this is why I have never (even last year) had a fav until at least top 10 – until they prove they can likely stay around awhile, I just don’t want to have that kind of investment in anyone.

I have to admit, as someone who never really understood Alex’s appeal either, I was kind of surprised by all the “bring him back” sentiments. He was hardly like the second coming or something. Yeah, J. Hud. Chris Daughtry, so many other really really talented people have been kicked off too soon before, and they never had a chance of coming back.

Didn’t Chris Daughtry make Top 4? And JHud Top 7? I wasn’t watching back then. I don’t see how that’s the same as someone who probably deserved to make Top 12 not making it to the big stage. It’s quite a bit different. It basically means he never got a real chance, while Daughtry and Hudson, I would say, did.

Yeah, if you make it to the Top 6 at least, you are normally remembered at least for a while… Who do we know that wasn’t in the top 12 that actually made it anywhere in this business? There have been a few, but Alex definitely deserves a spot in the top 12. And besides, as far as a petition goes, it can’t hurt to at least show support for him.

movin2thabeet:
03/13/2010 at 2:42 pm
On the question of why Lilly decided to try out for AI. It seems to me, she likes pushing boundaries. I don’t think her ‘quirkiness’ is an act. Its part of her identity. She knew she was way outside the typical Idol contestant so why not give it a whirl. If the show producers liked her vibe, then great. If not, no harm in trying. The problem as I see it, is that the producers, judges and voting coaches all loved her style but she didn’t excite enough viewers to vote. I agree that the bulk of people who like her style of music are not watching Idol, and I would also venture a guess that those who are, are much more likely to be those who watch, but don’t vote. I even noticed that big-time with David Cook.

It’s fine that she wanted to bring something different to Idol. I think that is needed. I usually like the non-traditional contestants, in fact, the first one that I had really become a fan was David Cook. I had only watched casually before that, and with a few exceptions, Daughtry being one of them, had never seen many that I liked. With Lily, it’s more her attitude when it didn’t work out.

I agree about the voting. I think though when someone is new to watching the show or an infrequent viewer that they are less likely to vote. I know David was the first one I voted for. But I also think that there were too many of the same type of artist this year. Really, 3 of the singer songwriter females have already gone.

This season, while woefully stocked with untrained and in my humble opinion, unready contestants, should be interesting since the top of the heap is female – Crystal and Siobhan. I think Casey and Michael are also at the top but not as popular. And I see Lee, Andrew and Didi, if they pick up their games, are next in line. But I don’t sense any of these kids have near enough star power to garner the amount of passionate voters it takes to win this thing. Someone’s got to win, but I see this season shaping up more like a Season 6, with a “she (or, in a huge stretch, he) is ok but I’m not jumping cartwheels about them”.

That’s what I’m seeing is lack of stark power. Even in the contestants at the top. And nothing has really blown me away yet, even in the contestants I like.

ETA: I do see how Idol molds winners, but that’s really more a problem with the mainstream music industry than specific to Idol. They want to put you in a nice delineated box in order to better sell you as a ‘brand’. Carrie as country singer, Kelly as pop singer. In both these talented women’s cases, they’re trying to stretch that box out to better fit them – Carrie with crossover pop, and I think, ultimately rock songs, and Kelly with tentacles into country, rock, actually many styles. I think David Cook is dealing with much the same as we know he hates boxes. So I really don’t think Lilly is that far off the mark on this account either. The indie scene doesn’t just tolerate uniqueness, it rewards it. And I appreciate those in that world who want to bring some of that vibe into the mainstream world, even though its very much a uphill battle. But that’s how change happens – incrementally.

That’s what I’ve liked about Idol the past couple of years, they helped artists that were really being ignored by the mainstream. I think though that you have to know who you are as an artist first to really use this to your advantage. If someone who is less experienced wins, that doesn’t already know who they are as an artist, they will be more or less molded into whatever the record company wants.

the alex lambert petition has over 10,000 people sign and there might be a chance to bring him back http://www.change.org/actions/view/bring_alex_lambert_back_on_american_idol

I loved Alex, but I hardly think it fair to bring one out of four eliminated people back. Why, because he cried? The others have fans, also. I’d be happy if he was still on the show, but he isn’t. I’d also be happy if Lilly was still on the show.

I think Alex deserved to be in the Top 12. But the vote is the vote. Move on. I voted a lot for Alex. If people wanted him there, they should have voted.

I think the petition for Alex is a great idea. He really deserved a slot and why can’t they just make it a top 13 like they did last year with Anoop. Anoop did really well and came in 6th place, would’ve came in 5th if Matt wasn’t saved.

I think the petition to bring Alex back, while a nice gesture, is a waste of time and energy. It’s never happened before and it’s unlikely to happen now.

That said, Idol did lose credibility for me when it tweaked the rules and allowed Anoop to stay due to appeal making last season a Top 13 contestant competition. Still, Anoop was never ‘formally’ eliminated and then brought back on another show so if they didn’t make the decision to keep Alex on Thursday night’s show, it ain’t gonna happen. Sadly he’s gone, but there’s always next year.

I think the petition for Alex is a great idea. He really deserved a slot and why can’t they just make it a top 13 like they did last year with Anoop. Anoop did really well and came in 6th place, would’ve came in 5th if Matt wasn’t saved.

I see what you’re saying and I agree it would be nice. It’s not really the same as last year, though. They had wild card last year, so the judges were choosing some of them to put into the Top 12 (13), anyway — including Matt. They just added Anoop, as well. Both of them had actually been voted off previously before making it to Top 13. So I think it’s essentially a different case. This year it’s all determined by votes.

Sadly he’s gone, but there’s always next year.

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Forgive me if I’m wrong, but I thought that once anyone made it to Top 24 or whatever number, that they were ineligible to ever go on the show again. There’s contestants that have made it multiple times to the Hollywood rounds and keep coming back, but I think once they’ve made it to the part where the public votes for them, they can’t come back.

Maybe he can try out for X-Factor.

While I agree with Ross about not changing the rules and it would be unfair to bring Alex back and not others, I did go ahead and sign the petition. The only fair way would be like what they did in season 4, but Mario actually quit the show to leave a spot open for a boy. So unless a guy quits or gets disqualified before the next show, I am just going to have to move on.

What I am going to do instead is stop watching the regular season. In an overall meh vibe of a season, Alex was the only thing holding my interest. With Alex gone, I am taking my life back on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. I still am interested in some of the former Idol contestants so I will probably watch the charity results show and the finale show to see Kris, but I am done with this season.

There’s still a lot of talent, there. When some of them get more comfortable onstage, don’t worry. I think we’re going to see a good group. I’m sure Andrew can bring it again, I think Lee…well, etc.

The only fair way would be like what they did in season 4, but Mario actually quit the show to leave a spot open for a boy. So unless a guy quits or gets disqualified before the next show, I am just going to have to move on.

If that happened, the person with the next highest number of votes would advace, right? But that might not be Alex.

Yeah, I agree that I don’t if Todrick or Alex had the higher votes, just using that as an example of the only way I could see it as being fair to bring someone back.

As for a lot of talent there, my problem with this season is that there are a lot of good people, but no one left to hook me into watching. They’re good, but meh, not great.

There is alot of BS that goes along with watching American Idol, and there is always a tradeoff between putting up with the manipulation/favoritism/throwing people under the bus/empty pointless banter versus getting what I want out of the show. TPTB are so crucial to whether or not contestants are remembered early on in the season. I really did not want them to favor Alex, but they were so busy protecting other contestants and overpraising weaker contestants, that it did not feel fair. They basically treated Alex like cannon fodder. I don’t feel like they purposely tried to get him off the show, but it felt like they were more than willing to throw him and other cannon fodder to the wolves and did not care if he survived. If TPTB want to favor other people, that is their call since it is their show, but I don’t have to go along with it and watch either. If Alex is not TPTB idea of who they want on the show, then why should I continue to watch?

I am interested in seeing what contestants put out musically after the show is over, but I no longer want to watch. I have no middle ground with AI. The balance has tipped toward me giving up on the season. Plus, now I can feel less guilty about watching atleast two hours of Kris Allen video every week if not watching AI9. LOL

Plus, now I can feel less guilty about watching atleast two hours of Kris Allen video every week if not watching AI9. LOL

I can’t argue with that. Watch more Kris! Always a good thing.

After Alex and Todrick leaving none of the other guys interest me at all, they all just seem too similiar but not as good as some of the past winners and runner ups. Fortunately some of the girls are good this year or this season wouldn’t be worth watching to me.

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