Afternoon Idol Headlines for 11/12/09

Diana DeGarmo playing “Chris” in the possible revival of “Carrie:the Musical” will be interesting. She’s never played an evil character before. She tweeted earlier today that the entire project has been overhauled from the 1988 infamous flop. The script is different, the music, everything. I hope the invite only industry presentation on 11/20 attracts investors. Even if it doesn’t, I think it’s pretty cool that she gets to work with Sutton Foster, who is completely amazing.

Not to mention it got her an entry on PerezHilton.com today. He’s excited about the possible return of the show.

The Reuters article was an interesting read. I liked how he spoke of recording on the road and how this was different than working on his self produced album. Not worrying about paying for studio space takes a lot of pressure off.

Now I need to listen again for which song has a sitar and what other exotic instruments were used. I’m sure I heard a cello on one. OK, not exotic, but not expected on a pop rock album either.

Kelly Clarkson (2002 winner) 10.4 million albums and 14.7 million digitally downloaded tracks

* Carrie Underwood (2005 winner) 10.2 million albums, 11.9 million digitally downloaded tracks

I think by the end of the holiday season Carrie will have passed Kelly, despite having one less album. I doubt anyone from AI will ever pass Carrie here in America.

I’m sorry squirrely, but he’s my boy. My sexy, gay, fierce boy.
If you’re good I’ll share.

oh and he does have plenty to share… teehee

Thought it was interesting that now in two separate articles Adam has said that he thinks he is appealing to women because he is “safe”. Thoughts? For myself, this is not the case. I find Adam Lambert appealing and sexy not only because he is incredibly physically attractive, but because he is so….brave. I love that he is true to himself and so skilled. He dares to do, and actually delivers the goods. Sexy.

Kelly Clarkson (2002 winner) 10.4 million albums and 14.7 million digitally downloaded tracks

* Carrie Underwood (2005 winner) 10.2 million albums, 11.9 million digitally downloaded tracks

I think by the end of the holiday season Carrie will have passed Kelly, despite having one less album. I doubt anyone from AI will ever pass Carrie here in America.

I don’t think so either, but no one will ever surpass Kelly WorldWide, she has about 10 million records sold outside US, Carrie has 2 million tops.

http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p150/sf_ebay/a1/?action=view&current=r2vwhy.png

What does this mean?

Behind the scenes of the Friday I’ll be Over U video

http://www.allisoniraheta.com/us/news/video-friday-ill-be-over-u-behind-scenes

I didn’t know People Magazine reviewed albums.

I don’t think so either, but no one will ever surpass Kelly WorldWide, she has about 10 million records sold WW, Carrie has 2 million tops.

I agree, unfortunately Carrie’s genre doesn’t cross over internationally as well, but for a country singer she does sell well overseas.

Thought it was interesting that now in two separate articles Adam has said that he thinks he is appealing to women because he is ‘safe’ . Thoughts?

I do think Adam is sort of “safe”. A lot of people have mentioned him being gay means they can talk up their crush on him without it being too weird for their boyfriend/husband. I think also he is a very safe bad boy. I think a lot of older women see the eyeliner and hear the rock wail and think he is a dangerous crush, but in reality he is a theater boi playing dress up with very polite manners.

He’s my boy too . I love that Wall Street Journal article! Still seems funny that they have had multiple stories! Way to go, Adam, first Hispanic Business Weekly, now the Wall Street Journal! Our boy is climbing the business publication ladder!! Onwards and upwards!!!

Does TV Guide come out tomorrow? Cause I need it REALLY BADLY.

As far as being gay, absolutely that makes him safe. I mean, really, this brilliant man IS unavailable. Thus he can be fantasized about. The reality is that he goes to gay nightclubs and dates gay men and breaks up with gay men. But I could care less. He is beautiful and humble and beyond talented and I love him for that. BTW, a straight make friend of mine said that the Details photo shoot was totally cool b/c Adam IS gay so it was just showing that he is cool with his sexuality, but would have been uncomfortable for him if he was straight. Does anyone know what he meant?

I didn’t know People Magazine reviewed albums.

What album? Link, please.

The Reuters article on Idol sales missed out Kellie P who has 1.2m albums and about 2m songs

Thought it was interesting that now in two separate articles Adam has said that he thinks he is appealing to women because he is ‘safe’ .

Oddly enough, this is one of the reasons why I don’t find him sexy.

Has it come up that Kris’s record was reviewed in EW and only got a B-? You can read it online. I was surprised. I thought it would get at least a B. No, Slezak didn’t write the review.

Wow! I love the comments women posted in the Wall Street Journal article about why they find Adam attractive. Many of their feelings are spot on.

Ruben Studdard is left off the list. Sads.

Ruben and Taylor both. I would have expected they would at least include all the winners.

Love this:

She was on the other side of that glass, just egging me
on. She was constantly like, ‘Go crazier! Go higher! Go louder!’ 

FEEVVEEEERRRRRR

Behind the scenes of the Friday I’ll be Over U video

http://www.allisoniraheta.com/us/news/video-friday-ill-be-over-u-behind-scenes

looks awesome!from the looks of it, it’s kinda what I would imagine teenage lady gaga if she was a rock singer instead of pop. I’m almost certain that Allison is gonna be the most successful AI8 idol and will join the ranks of Carrie and Kelly is sales. Girl has always been a darkhorse.

I didn’t know People Magazine reviewed albums.

What album? Link, please.

ontd_ai was talking about their review of Kris’ album – they didn’t post a link.

Behind the scenes of the Friday I’ll be Over U video

http://www.allisoniraheta.com/us/news/video-friday-ill-be-over-u-behind-scenes

Thanks that was cute and fun!

God, I already love this album. I know, SURPRISE. I hope Monday is Adam’s listening party. Then you get two threads:

One for Kris’s release
One for Adam’s streaming release

If it doesn’t happen, I will be oh so very sad.

I do not think Allison will be top Idol by any means or even the most female Idol, but she could go possibly go Top 4, after JHud, Carrie, and Kelly. Of course Jive needs to help a tad bit, and maybe Allison needs to grow into this a bit, too, like Avril Lavigne or Christina Aguilera. Dunno.

Feeeeverrrrrrr!!!!

I’ve read EW review. The main flaw for the reviewer was that Kris seems stylistically lost. hmm, with that many writeres and co-writers, seems to me that style will vary a bit no? anyway i still think there is a cohesiveness in this album. She rated new Jonh Mayer cd B- also.
Agree that it should earn a B or B+. For me it’s an A

Behind the scenes of the Friday I’ll be Over U video

http://www.allisoniraheta.com/us/news/video-friday-ill-be-over-u-behind-scenes

that was very fun to watch!

Yum, nice picture of David without being overtly sexual at all. Maybe we can label this one “The Thinker.”

http://twitpic.com/p7gn5

hi guys!!! could check in much today.just headlines.
10 DAYS UBTIL THE BEST ALBUM EBERRRRRR

hi guys!!! could check in much today.just headlines.
10 DAYS UBTIL THE BEST ALBUM EBERRRRRR

But Allison’s album doesn’t come out for another 20 days

God, I already love this album.

Me too! I find myself singing some of the songs in my head and then going to my ipod to look for them before i realize I DON’T HAVE IT YET

hi guys!!! could check in much today.just headlines.
10 DAYS UBTIL THE BEST ALBUM EBERRRRRR

But Allison’s album doesn’t come out for another 20 days

LOL – hey did Sezak post his review yet?

Oh, Suebrody, you don’t have to *duck* about TfM, I love that song, and the mv as well. I listen to it in the car everyday!

Seems Kris album can be downloaded from French iTunes

Yum, nice picture of David without being overtly sexual at all. Maybe we can label this one ‘The Thinker.’ 

http://twitpic.com/p7gn5

Niiiice! That woke me up

Thought it was interesting that now in two separate articles Adam has said that he thinks he is appealing to women because he is ‘safe’ .

Oddly enough, this is one of the reasons why I don’t find him sexy.

So Adam is not sexy because he is too safe. You like the bad boys, don’t you. Adam crank it up.(just a little). Sassycatz likes them dangerous.

This may be old new but on Twitter they are saying Kris will be presenting at the AMA’s. Souce is AInow

http://www.ainow.org/index.php/top-stories/1324-kris-allen-to-present-an-award-at-amas

as the song goes – ‘you thought that he was nice and sweet’ ……

I don’t think so either, but no one will ever surpass Kelly WorldWide, she has about 10 million records sold outside US, Carrie has 2 million tops.

This is why Kelly will remain the #1 Idol even when Carrie surpasses her US sales. Kelly has a wider appeal.

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Kris’ album can be downloaded from French iTunes, including all the liner notes…

This may be old new but on Twitter they are saying Kris will be presenting at the AMA’s. Souce is AInow

http://www.ainow.org/index.php/top-stories/1324-kris-allen-to-present-an-award-at-amas

I wonder if David C will go?

Adam safe? Excuse me while I climb back up on my chair. He is appealing to the not “safe” side of my personality. Did that make sense?

And I loved the video, too! Very interesting and very creative. And the ending was worth the wait.

Okie dokie! BTW I like a lot of artists that I don’t think of as sexy so it’s not required in order for me to like someone or to buy their music. But when someone that appeals to me *in that way* comes along it’s just that much better! It’s fun to drool.

I agree with this 100%

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Kris’ album can be downloaded from French iTunes, including all the liner notes’ ¦

THAT’S what I’ve been waiting for! Kris Allen’s album in French! NOW I can order it.

I wonder if David C will go?

No, he has nothing new to promote. That’s what this show is all about. Unless you’re a legend, then you can show up anytime, anywhere.

This is why Kelly will remain the #1 Idol even when Carrie surpasses her US sales. Kelly has a wider appeal.

Kelly will remain the #1 idol because she was the first and the original. Realistically she should have the most sales…. But honestly they are both doing so well…Does it really matter….Truthfully Carrie is number 1 where it really counts and that is money making. She was the top earner last year of any AI alumni earning 14million dollars about 3 times as much as Kelly (around 5million). but again so what I’d take either of their earnings.

I find both Chris Brown and Adam Lambert equally safe, actually. Within the space that I will never know either one of them personally. So as they both have the level of inattainability, they both in fact have the same levels of safeness for me. Neither one essentially exist in my real life.

That being said, if it was my personal life and I knew an abuser and a nice gay guy, yeah I’d feel safer with the nice gay guy.

But I don’t know any celeb nor will I, so Adam is as sexy and as safe as Clive Owen or Jon Stewart for me, neither Clive or Jon are gay, and yet both of them, or any celeb I find hott, are as equally unattainable as Adam. I’ll never meet any of them, so who they really are, doesn’t matter. It’s all in the realm of fantasy anyways, so if I find them hott for whatever reasons, it’s just as valid for one, as the other, which is to say, it’s ALL fantasy and it’s all good.

It’s all in the realm of fantasy anyways, so if I find them hott for whatever reasons, it’s just as valid for one, as the other, which is to say, it’s ALL fantasy and it’s all good.

Well said. But I could never fantasize about someone as despicable as Chris Brown. Tom Brady, QB of the NE Patriots, married to Giselle Budchen, supermodel, pregnant with their first child…yep, I sure as hell can fantasize about him, and I do. But I fantasize more about Adam, I admit.

Will someone please tell me how Adam’s video will be sold…will it be at Walmart ,Target, iTunes or all stores and will it only be on the deluxe album..do I have to pre order it to get it

Truthfully Carrie is number 1 where it really counts and that is money making. She was the top earner last year of any AI alumni earning 14million dollars about 3 times as much as Kelly (around 5million).

Is it really? Why presume the contestants’ intent in full? After all, a millionaire lifestyle is a millionaire lifestyle. I imagine someone honestly might be more interested in musical reach at some point.

Reuters:

When Allen was still a college student in 2007, he made a low budget, self-released album called “Brand New Shoes,” but he said making his latest EP through 19 Recordings, a record company run by “American Idol” creator Simon Fuller, was a completely different experience.

Poor Kris really is getting the shaft, turns out Kris Allen is only an EP.

I never found Chris Brown attractive – never ever once ever. Tom Brady is my pretend baby daddy

btw – I got my print RS – I love the cover – I love those guys and thier music and not one of them do I find attractive.

‘free’ Kris album made online already…

Released first in Euro again huh…

Is it really? Why presume the contestants’ intent in full? After all, a millionaire lifestyle is a millionaire lifestyle. I imagine someone honestly might be more interested in musical reach at some point.

Basically I was being sarcastic because it doesn’t matter who is number 1 sales wise in the USA or Worldwide or who makes the most money. …. I think by your assessment, artist would mix genre’s to appeal to different section to reach a wider audience. This is not what happens. I feel an artist Ultimately wants to put out music that they are proud of and that hopefully enough people like so they get to put out another Album. Carrie and Kelly don’t have to worry about that issue. So they are both successful and the sophomoric debate on which one is the true top #1 idol successwise is just mute. This is just my opinion.

PS I love them both!!!!!!!!!!!

Roger Ebert reviewed 2012, he actually liked it..lol. It’s pretty cool, because here in alb, his reviews are always the ones in our movie guides in the local newspaper. I was going to go cuz I usually like these kind of movies, but really to hear Adam sing TFM in digital surround sound. Now I’m excited!

sample quotes:

This is fun. “2012″ delivers what it promises, and since no sentient being will buy a ticket expecting anything else, it will be, for its audiences, one of the most satisfactory films of the year. It even has real actors in it. Like all the best disaster movies, it’s funniest at its most hysterical. You think you’ve seen end-of-the-world movies? This one ends the world, stomps on it, grinds it up and spits it out.

The bottom line is: The movie gives you your money’s worth. Is it a masterpiece? No. Is it one of the year’s best? No. Does Emmerich hammer it together with his elbows from parts obtained from the Used Disaster Movie Store? Yes. But is it about as good as a movie in this genre can be? Yes. No doubt it will inflame fears about our demise on Dec. 21, 2012. I’m worried, too. I expect that to be even worse than Y2K.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091111/REVIEWS/911119994

Lindsey Parker interviews Allison:

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/294278/allison-iraheta-the-album-preview-interview-pt-1/

Part two will be posted tomorrow.

From the previous headline thread:

And does Kris own his own publishing rights or something? I’m looking on the song credits and several of them say ‘published by Kris Allen Publishing’ 

Is this standard for people coming off Idol? Does David Cook have David Cook Publishing, for example?

Yes. This is standard procedure for anybody who writes songs. The Publishing company manages your catalog. That means that it collects and forwards your royalties for writing and grants permission to people on Idol to sing your song. Publishing companies typically get 50% of the royalties, so you want to own them.

Typically, you hire somebody to manage the day to day stuff for your catalog. There are firms that do that for a number of publishing companies.

Taylor’s was called “Modern Whomp Music”
David Cook’ is “Analog Heart Publishing”
David Archuleta’s is “Archie Songs”

Mechanical royalties for songs are 9.1 cents for songs less than 5 minutes, 10.5 cents for songs between 5 and 6 minutes long and it gets higher the longer the song is. The writer also get royalties each time your song is played on the radio. Writing royalties are typically split evenly between the writers, but sometimes different agreements are made.

MJ, Rivers Cuomo tweeted a link to your site again.

RiversCuomo Long clip of Pick U Up but fades just before money moment!: http://bit.ly/3n8iSx
about 1 hour ago from web

Damn that Adam has got to be increasing your hits because of these tweets.

BeckyMD
11/12/2009 at 9:13 pm
‘free’ Kris album made online already’ ¦

Released first in Euro again huh’ ¦

People are already pirating it?? I don’t get how “fans” can do that to an artist. It’s stealing, pure and simple. No excuses. Yeah, I know, people will say..but I’m gonna buy it too. I don’t believe that they all do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf-gc2LQjdw

Adam 2012 interview from press junket.

People are already pirating it?? I don’t get how ‘fans’  can do that to an artist. It’s stealing, pure and simple. No excuses. Yeah, I know, people will say..but I’m gonna buy it too. I don’t believe that they all do.

I totally agree. And ontd_ai is of course flailing and all are downloading the pirated version. The only people I don’t get annoyed with on this is those that have pre-ordered and are just waiting there time out. I seriously wanted to just tell the person who ripped the cd to get rid of it.

RiversCuomo Long clip of Pick U Up but fades just before money moment!: http://bit.ly/3n8iSx
about 1 hour ago from web

Money moment? I’m intrigued.

Here is a website that lists mechanical royalty rates.

Forget moving freakin’ singles, sell those ringtones. That’s 24 cents a song. That’s almost 2.5 times what you get paid for singing a single and mechanical royalties are subject to recoupment and funny label math.

Ripped versions of CDs generally start appearing a week before the album drops. That’s probably why they stream on AOL. Might keep some of the people honest.

I seriously wanted to just tell the person who ripped the cd to get rid of it.

Being pirated is almost a guarantee once something is put online. What I don’t understand is why Jive releases the album now, 5 days before the official date. How would that affect the album sales?

I doubt it would help the piracy, but maybe the record companies should stop releasing the stuff overseas prior to the US release date. Kris’ album is available legally on French and German iTunes already — so it isn’t surprising that someone or several people who legally bought it have now turned around and made it available online.

Jive might be able to force them to take it down if it goes on YouTube, but by then lots of people will have already ripped it.

Just release it in the US first…maybe that would help a little. (I think free full streams of albums on AOL doesn’t help with piracy either, although they are exciting to listen to — because those end up on YouTube as well)

And does Kris own his own publishing rights or something? I’m looking on the song credits and several of them say ‘published by Kris Allen Publishing’ 

Oh God…y’all know I’m a BIG Kris fan, right? Love him, love him to pieces…

But this reminds me of the old joke “Al Gore was so boring his Secret Service code name when he was VP was ‘Al Gore.’”

Yes. This is standard procedure for anybody who writes songs. The Publishing company manages your catalog. That means that it collects and forwards your royalties for writing and grants permission to people on Idol to sing your song. Publishing companies typically get 50% of the royalties, so you want to own them.

Typically, you hire somebody to manage the day to day stuff for your catalog. There are firms that do that for a number of publishing companies.

Taylor’s was called ‘Modern Whomp Music’ 
David Cook’ is ‘Analog Heart Publishing’ 
David Archuleta’s is ‘Archie Songs’ 

Mechanical royalties for songs are 9.1 cents for songs less than 5 minutes, 10.5 cents for songs between 5 and 6 minutes long and it gets higher the longer the song is. The writer also get royalties each time your song is played on the radio. Writing royalties are typically split evenly between the writers, but sometimes different agreements are made.

I think that Carrie’s was called Blonde hair brown eyes publishing or something like that. Ill go check.

I don’t understand is why Jive release the album now, 5 days before the official date. How would that affect the album sales?

Different countries have different release dates. That could be part of it.

People who are going to steal the album will steal it anyway. They just get it earlier now.

If his album was to go on sale in the US this week, it would be reported just like any other album sales. It’s just that the first week numbers would likely be low because there would be fewer days to sell it than usual.

Deja vu. My son shot a music video at the Alexandria. He had to bring his own changes of clothing, and he had them all stolen that day, LOL. I’m sure Adam will have tons of security everywhere keeping people from getting too near him.

They shoot lots of music videos there. It looks cool but is not a great area anymore.

Taylor’s was called ‘Modern Whomp Music’ 
David Cook’ is ‘Analog Heart Publishing’ 
David Archuleta’s is ‘Archie Songs’ 

haha

Kelly is “Songs For My Shrink”.

Is there a reason why there would be earlier release dates in foreign countries than the home country of an artist?

Mechanical royalties for songs are 9.1 cents for songs less than 5 minutes, 10.5 cents for songs between 5 and 6 minutes long and it gets higher the longer the song is. The writer also get royalties each time your song is played on the radio. Writing royalties are typically split evenly between the writers, but sometimes different agreements are made.

Indeed, which is why many people say writing is where it’s at and why that contestant (blanking on the name) who worked with Sean Jay (IIRC) became one of the most successful non-signed Idols of all time, because he co-wrote a hooge hit song.

Here are a few more Idol publishing names:

Kelly Clarkson: Smelly Songs
Kellie Pickler: Pickle Butt Publishing

Kelly is ‘Songs For My Shrink’ .

LOL I think Kelly’s is my favourite.
Im gonna take a wild guess and say that Adams will be ”GLITTER!!!!! ’
If exclamation marks, brackets and colons are allowed that is.

Here are a few more Idol publishing names:

Kelly Clarkson: Smelly Songs
Kellie Pickler: Pickle Butt Publishing

*snort*

Aren’t there some really “big” (in terms of sales/fame) musicians who have been leading the fight against piracy?

Indeed, which is why many people say writing is where it’s at and why that contestant (blanking on the name) who worked with Sean Jay (IIRC) became one of the most successful non-signed Idols of all time, because he co-wrote a hooge hit song.

Jared Cotter – Cotter Pin Publishing

RiversCuomo Long clip of Pick U Up but fades just before money moment!: http://bit.ly/3n8iSx
about 1 hour ago from web

Money moment? I’m intrigued.

I am also intrigued. I took notes on my orginal listen to the 30 seconds snippets. I wasn’t sure I like this song, but after many listens, I liked Adam’s voice on this song. I wanted to hear more.

After hearing more, I think it is a fun song. It is very theatrical and kind of disney. It reminds me of the songs from the movie “Aladdin”. I want to hear the money moment.

Shocked. Well if Adam can be campy, he can do Disney. He doesn’t take him seriously.

Taylor’s was called ‘Modern Whomp Music’ 
David Cook’ is ‘Analog Heart Publishing’ 
David Archuleta’s is ‘Archie Songs’ 

haha

Kelly is ‘Songs For My Shrink’ .

Adam has some writing cred, yes? Wonder what is his.

Im gonna take a wild guess and say that Adams will be ‘ GLITTER!!!!! ‘

He’s previous writing credits are published by M 22 Publishing.

I think he’ll start a new company

Kelly used to be “Smelly Songs” but she got a publishing deal with Kobalt Music and changed it.

Good luck to Syesha!

Oh gawd! I just saw that Little Rock is #2, behind NYC for the Kradison concert! I swear, if these people from AR can vote like this, why can’t they buy Kris’ CD? Sorry, I just do not want to go to LR for this concert! (Sorry if there are LR people here. Nothing personal!)

After knowing these idols’ publishing company names, Kris’ is boring indeed.

Kelly used to be ‘Smelly Songs’  but she got a publishing deal with Kobalt Music and changed it.

Okay. I was just looking up some of her older songs. Her new publishing company name is even better.

FYE down to #55 in Itunes. Hopefully it sells more than 20 K this week.

Oh gawd! I just saw that Little Rock is #2, behind NYC for the Kradison concert! I swear, if these people from AR can vote like this, why can’t they buy Kris’ CD? Sorry, I just do not want to go to LR for this concert! (Sorry if there are LR people here. Nothing personal!)

I have been to Little Rock, I would much rather go to New York to see Adam in concert.

Just got my RS magazine delivered to my mailbox today. There is a good review for Kris’ single in the singles section.

If you are reading this Rivers:

My friend and her boyfriend are such big Weezer ans that my friend got a HUGE-ass poster from Newbury Comics and gave it to her sort-of-kind-of-boyfriend. Of course he is going to your concert in Boston in December. I mean, this poster will cover a huge wall.

WHAT MONEY MOMENT??? WHAT MONEY MOMENT? LIKE A DSB MONEY MOMENT.

OMG say yes OMG say yes OMG OMG OMG

And I Lurrrve Pick U Up, BTW.

(I really need this album right now. Hold me.)

Oh gawd! I just saw that Little Rock is #2, behind NYC for the Kradison concert! I swear, if these people from AR can vote like this, why can’t they buy Kris’ CD? Sorry, I just do not want to go to LR for this concert! (Sorry if there are LR people here. Nothing personal!)

VOTE
FOR
NYC
PEOPLE

Come on, do it, you KNOW you want to!!!

Interesting — the ontd_ai board took down the thread with the download link for Kris’ album…

I’m glad to know Kris got 24 cents from my LLWD ringtone download.

I heard LLWD today on the radio in Seattle; the radio station even had a pre-recorded promo to announce the song. Seriously, it’s about time, Seattle.

I never found Chris Brown attractive ‘“ never ever once ever. Tom Brady is my pretend baby daddy

I will trade you Brady for WES BE STILL MY HEART WELKER.

And ITA on RS. Mick Jagger is so not attractive, IMO. But Dream On (not Scream On, dammit, Danny) is one of my all-time favorite songs. Man, I wanted Adam to sing that song. *pout*

WHAT MONEY MOMENT??? WHAT MONEY MOMENT? LIKE A DSB MONEY MOMENT.

he likely (?) refers to ‘money notes’ .. i heard this expression used for Celine Dion by David foster meaning powerful notes hold on for ever

Interesting ‘” the ontd_ai board took down the thread with the download link for Kris’ album’ ¦

do you know why girlygirl?

k0ka
11/12/2009 at 10:03 pm

FYE down to #55 in Itunes. Hopefully it sells more than 20 K this week.

It is still 23 in Itune pop. the lower number in overall sales is that a bunch of county music songs are appearing on the chart because of the CMA so they have spiked… This always happens. In a few days it should rebound to reflect better where it actually is in comparison to normal flow of sales.

why can’t they buy Kris’ CD?

How do you know they won’t? I’ve pre-ordered but I actually know people that prefer not to pre-order and would rather go into a store and buy a CD themselves.

Interesting ‘” the ontd_ai board took down the thread with the download link for Kris’ album’ ¦

That makes me happy – it should never have been up there to start with.

Mtlfan

I think they realized it’s not fair to Kris to encourage people to illegally download it

“Oh gawd! I just saw that Little Rock is #2, behind NYC for the Kradison concert! I swear, if these people from AR can vote like this, why can’t they buy Kris’ CD?” – PattyH

What? I’m not sure what the basis of this statement is. We have no idea how many iTunes passes were sold from May until now. Isn’t it possible a lot of Kris fans, in Arkansas and elsewhere, bought those when they were first available months ago? I bought mine way back in May as I’m sure many others have.

girlygirl
11/12/2009 at 10:18 pm

Mtlfan

I think they realized it’s not fair to Kris to encourage people to illegally download it

At least they realized it better late the never….

dhunken
11/12/2009 at 10:15 pm

k0ka
11/12/2009 at 10:03 pm

FYE down to #55 in Itunes. Hopefully it sells more than 20 K this week.

It is still 23 in Itune pop. the lower number in overall sales is that a bunch of county music songs are appearing on the chart because of the CMA so they have spiked’ ¦ This always happens. In a few days it should rebound to reflect better where it actually is in comparison to normal flow of sales.

I believe that this song normal flow of sales is in 60s.

Both FYE and LLWD are holding fairly steady on the iTunes pop chart — FYE at #23 and LLWD at #34.

If you want to know what the “girls in the club want to know” it’s been posted at @grahamorama

I think they realized it’s not fair to Kris to encourage people to illegally download it

GOOD!!! there is already a bunch out there for illegal download. It’s really not ok

nvmnd

The WSJ interivew is good.

Artistically, I think the Linda Perry song was a departure for me because it was a little out of my obvious comfort zone ‘” vocally, it sits in this falsetto space, and lyrically, if you really listen to it, it’s complicated. The lyrics contradict themselves, which was done on purpose ‘” Linda and I really talked about it.

I so want to hear the song that pushes Adam out of his comfort zone. His description of ‘broken open’ lyrics is interesting.

Adam is asked about Kris too.

Have you heard Kris Allen’s album?

I haven’t heard his album, but love his single. I’ll be one of the first to get a copy, I’m sure.

Lynne, i couldn’t find the online RS review of Kris single. What does it say in summary?

k0ka
11/12/2009 at 10:22 pm

I believe that this song normal flow of sales is in 60s.

LOL. It’s been on Itunes since 11/4. So, in that 8 days it’s been in the 40′s, 50′s, 60′, 70′s, then 20′s, and 30′s. What normal flow??

I ordered kris’s I-tune pass but also his CD frm his Offical Site. And accorning to my order it was shipped today and I just looked and it said I should get it tomorrow. Am so excited. I can’t decided if I should open it or save it as a keepsake. I hope I was one of the 1000 that get it signed.

twitter review of FYE the album.

http://twitter.com/grahamorama

He didn’t like FYE the single, but seems to like most of the songs on the album.

His review of the single.

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/adamgrahamblog/index.php?blogid=313

ETA: His overall impression of the album
“The album is easily the boldest first-effort from an Idol yet. The disco glam doesn’t always work, but there’s plenty else there to chew on.”

ETAA He didn’t review Music Again, Strut and Whataya want from me. He didn’t like them – started getting the album at ‘soaked’

hey guys. Could someone please tell me what is a ‘ITunes Pass’ I have seen this mentioned before and have no idea what it is and who,how and why you get one
Thanks

Adam Graham, who is a pop culture/music writer for the Detroit News, is reviewing Adam’s album track-by-track on his twitter page right now

http://twitter.com/grahamorama

Well, now we know what all the girls want to know. lol

why can’t they buy Kris’ CD?

I was referring to the single and was being sarcastic. Sorry the sarcasm was lost in the translation. I am a a Kris fan. Adam is my number one, but I adore Kris also. (OK, maybe I was just a little pisssed that the people of Conway couldn’t have bought two singles each!)

Cindij,

the itune pass is sold for the AI8 winner, Kris.

with it you get: the single ‘no boundaries’; behind the scene footage from the AI tour; live performance; his debut album; and a signed picture of him i think

Attention Northern Californians. Annop is going to be performing in San Francisco end of this month.

Anoopdoggdesai

@Aznchica2002 I will be performing at the Macy’s Tree Lighting in San Fran on November 27th! about 9 hours ago from web

Thank you Mtlfan
Guess you can tell I am a newbie to AI and am getting quite the education from this board

PattyH, there are a lot of people not buying singles on the net and just buying albums when they show up in stores. It’s my first year of buying music on net, I have always bought physical copies before and i changed my buyer’s habits since i got an ipod.
I think Carrie is not a big seller on the net but a big one in the stores; maybe people in the south are not much net buyers?

I’m glad to know Kris got 24 cents from my LLWD ringtone download.

Sorry, Kris only got performance royalties (whatever those are) for that ringtone. The writers get the 24 cents.

But he has lots of writing credit on the other songs on the album. The mechanical royalties will be 9.1 cents per song, so if there are 500K units moved, thats $45,500 per song (or $22,750 if there is a co-writer and 15,167 if there are 2 co-writers).

The Detroit News guy was asked how many stars he would give Adam’s album.

His reply…

@hersheycrisses Tough to say after one listen, but in the 4 neighborhood. 2 minutes ago from web

He also said that the press got a watermarked stream of Adam’s album today — so perhaps more critics will e weighing in on it soon?

I asked him whether he was going to do a track-by-track review of Kris’ album as well, but I don’t think I quite understand his answer, which was that everyone has already heard Kris’ album (even though Adam Graham himself has not)

I think they realized it’s not fair to Kris to encourage people to illegally download it

Or got b***ch slapped by Kris’ label?

Dang I was supposed to be in San Francisco on Nov 27 but had to cancel my trip due to an accident. It would have been fun to see Anoop and we always stay within walking distance of Macy’s which is near Union Square in San Francisco (love that town, but I’ll be able to by spring).

@grahamorama

# @briarswt Press got a watermarked streams today. 3 minutes ago from web

# @Mellynnette Since it’s streaming now, I can’t imagine a leak is too far behind… 7 minutes ago from web

Press is reviewing FYE. We may have more reviews the following days. This guy gave FYE about 4 out of 5. Spin’s review is great too.

I hope hope there is NO leak. Please.

More from Adam Graham on FYE

grahamorama

@santabillie Strut and a few of the others up front all sounded kind of samey, at least on 1 listen. For me, the 1st third was the weakest 2 minutes ago from web

Hrm…maybe he will like the slower ones the BEST!!! *hopeful* If he doesn’t love Soaked and Sleepwalker, I will be forced to slap him. Srsly.

I have a question. Will they ever release a video or recording of anything Adam did on the tour. I would love to own a copy of him singing Starlight and the Bowie medley.

@karendiamond1 Don’t sleep on If I Had You… sounds pretty giant 3 minutes ago from web

WOOT WOOT WOOT WOOT WOOT WOOT

Dude, Justin Hawkins wrote Glambert’s Music Again!! I need to listen to it 5,000 more times rt now 4 minutes ago from web

“Sorry, Kris only got performance royalties (whatever those are) for that ringtone. The writers get the 24 cents.”

Oh, right. Duh. Obviously he wouldn’t get the writer’s royalty for LLWD.

“But he has lots of writing credit on the other songs on the album. The mechanical royalties will be 9.1 cents per song, so if there are 500K units moved, thats $45,500 per song (or $22,750 if there is a co-writer and 15,167 if there are 2 co-writers).”

Nice! It pays to be a song-writer, doesn’t it? I can only imagine how much Kara is raking in with all the song credits she has out there.

I think he didn’t know much about the writing cred because he was not impressed by Music Again at the first listen, just found out it’s written by Justin Hawkins and now he needs to listen to it 5000 times. lol

He judged the songs merely on the songs themselves, and I like that.

grahamorama

Listening again, and Pick U Up is crazy awesome 2 minutes ago from web

Niiiiicccceee!!!!

I am truly digging this dude. No word on the slower songs, tho (MUSE? HELLOOOO?? Wonder if he knows.)

All this info on how the financing works is really interesting. Who pays the guys in the band? Is that Kris? Who pays his publicist etc (all the people that he listed in his thank yous in his liner notes)?

I think he didn’t know much about the writing cred because he was not impressed by Music Again at the first listen, just found out it’s written by Justin Hawkins and now he needs to listen to it 5000 times. lol

I’m sorry, but that is completely lame. If you don’t like a song when you don’t know who wrote it, you are some kind of sheep if you LOVE*5000 it when you know who wrote it.

Oh god, he laughs at the end of Pick u Up.

Just kill me now!!

grahamorama

He laughs at the end of Pick U Up, which is a great way to end the song. 5 minutes ago from web

ROTFLMAO

Only Adam. *ggl*

Andy Graham of the Detroit News tweeted his review of FYE album tonight. His twitter name is Grahamorama. His title from the Detroit News site: Adam Graham covers music and pop culture for The Detroit News.

All the comments in one place:

grahamorama: About to peep this Adam Lambert record

grahamorama: A Loaded Smile is also a standout… ballads are faring better than the bombastic club tracks.

grahamorama: If I Had You is a potential next single. Mid- to up-tempo glam rock overindulgence, in a good way.

grahamorama: Pick U Up: Pulsating club rock with a huge chorus. Album is really hitting its stride in its second half.

grahamorama: Fever will be a focal point… lyrics about threesomes, opens with the line “there he goes, my baby walks so slow.” Gokey fans will freak

grahamorama: Sleepwalker: Edgy, grandiose ballad, like Time for Miracles but with bite. Driving hip-hop-like backbeat, Slash-style guitar solo. Solid.

Aftermath: Corny ‘believe in yourself’ message about overcoming strife, but not a total washout. Every Idol album has a song like this.

From Sure Fire Winners: “All the girls in the club wanna know where did all their pretty boys go.”

That’s from the second verse. First verse: “All the girls and the boys wanna know how far this bad wild child’s gonna go.”

Broken Open: Space-age electronic ballad in which Lambert shows total vocal restraint. Ends the album (not counting T4M) on a down note.

@illyrianfields Down as in sad. The track is pretty solid, but there’s no crazy swells at the end or anything. Kind of a ballsy move

grahamorama: The album is easily the boldest first-effort from an Idol yet. The disco glam doesn’t always work, but there’s plenty else there to chew on.

Tweeted at him: @grahamorama so what’s the verdict? purchase/download/don’t bother?? I enjoyed your thoughts. have you heard the kris allen album?
6 minutes ago from web

Answer: @LittleLeaP Download at the very least. Haven’t heard Kris album yet, am kind of putting it off…
3 minutes ago from web

Tweeted at him: He was asked about Strut, Music Again and Sure Fire Winners:

Answer: SFW is the best of that bunch. The rest kind of run together, at least after 1 listen. 4 me, album really starts w/ Soaked

Tweeted at him: @grahamorama What’s your favorite track from Adam’s album, one that you are dying to hear live or see a music video of?
4 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Answer: @sargraf Really like Soaked — it’s Muse-tastic. And If I Had You, too. The latter should be a single
1 minute ago from web

Tweeted at him: @grahamorama So how many stars would you give it out of 5?
17 minutes ago from web

Reply: @hersheycrisses Tough to say after one listen, but in the 4 neighborhood.
9 minutes ago from web

Tweeted at him: @grahamorama as someone who likes Adam’s voice, were you happy overall with how it was used/shown off on the album?

Reply: @illyrianfields Yes, very. It’s not overdone and it’s held back when need be, and let loose at others.
2 minutes ago from web

Later tweet:
Dude, Justin Hawkins wrote Glambert’s Music Again!! I need to listen to it 5,000 more times rt now
half a minute ago from web
13 minutes ago from web

He laughs at the end of Pick U Up, which is a great way to end the song.
3 minutes ago from web

Reply Listening again, and Pick U Up is crazy awesome
4 minutes ago from web
Reply

@grahamorama Is there any Gaga action on Fever? I heard they had a drink when they recorded and the party was captured… 3 minutes ago from web

@laughincryin Ha, I’ll have to listen for that 1 minute ago from web

@burningSunset like a someone-made-a-funny-face-at-him laugh half a minute ago from web

**grin**

All this info on how the financing works is really interesting. Who pays the guys in the band? Is that Kris? Who pays his publicist etc (all the people that he listed in his thank yous in his liner notes)?

I used to know all that stuff. The label will provide tour support to some extent.

I think the label will pay the publicist and for the band for the promo (television performance) events. For the actual tour, Kris will pay them (but he might get some tour support). Videos are typically paid half by the artist and half by the label.

How Stuff Works has some great articles on this stuff. Here is the one on How Labels Work, How Recording Contracts Work and How Royalties Work.

I’m sorry, but that is completely lame. If you don’t like a song when you don’t know who wrote it, you are some kind of sheep if you LOVE*5000 it when you know who wrote it.

He said he needed to listen to it 5000 times not that he loves it right after he knew who wrote it.

I GOT A TWEET

grahamorama

@suebrody1 Soaked is killer, it’s his Muse track, really breaks things up after the sameness of the first four disco glam explorations less than a minute ago from web

He said he needed to listen to it 5000 time not that he loves it right after he knew who wrote it.

Okay, it’s also lame to listen 5000 times to a song you don’t like for whatever reason he’s doing it.

All in my opinion of course.

@Glamward I don’t think there’s any way you’ll feel let down. It’s a pretty huge-sounding record.

More…Yay Sue!!

@suebrody1 Soaked is killer, it’s his Muse track, really breaks things up after the sameness of the first four disco glam explorations
half a minute ago from web

Tweeted at him: @grahamorama I have not looked forward to an album like this in a while! It’s exciting! You rule 4 sharing your feelings

@Glamward I don’t think there’s any way you’ll feel let down. It’s a pretty huge-sounding record.
1 minute ago from web

@browneyegurl3 I think either If I Had You or Pick U Up should be the next single. SFW is too similar to FYE 2 minutes ago from web

SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, it’s also lame to listen 5000 times to a song you don’t like for whatever reason he’s doing it.

All in my opinion of course.

He may just want to trace the footprint of Justin Hawkins in Music Again. And sometimes a song will grow on you after several listens. If I adore an artist, I’ll give his art more tries. Just my opinion tho.

Lynne, i couldn’t find the online RS review of Kris single. What does it say in summary?

Sorry… away in RL for a while. It is in the back of the magazine in a section called “Top Singles.” It gives the single 3 stars and says ,” Allen’s proper first single is just what his fans wanted when they got this year’s cringe worthy song, “No Boundaries.” A cover of Irish Pop trio, The Script, the tune has a soul rock vibe that suits Allen’s vocal range; he should stick with this kind of stuff.” It is by Erika Futterman

@suebrody1 Not even worth comparing it to other Idol albums, especially debut efforts less than a minute ago from web

OMG
OMG
OMG

Kirsten
11/12/2009 at 11:28 pm

Okay, it’s also lame to listen 5000 times to a song you don’t like for whatever reason he’s doing it.

All in my opinion of course.

Really?? You’ve never heard a song on an album and on “first listen” (which he said) didn’t care for it, only upon listening to it more found you really liked it?? I’ve done that plenty of times. Sometimes a song doesn’t grab me right away, maybe a different genre than I prefer (this guy is definitely not into dance music, he’s made that preference known) but upon further listen, I enjoy it. Maybe that’s just me.

How Stuff Works has some great articles on this stuff. Here is the one on How Labels Work, How Recording Contracts Work and How Royalties Work.

How Stuff Works is my crack. They’ve gotten me through many a road trip, including the drive the LA. Stuff From the B Side is a great podcast.

ITA, Cindy. I listended to Pick U Up and TfM several times before I really began to like them, and now TfM is one of my all-time favorite Adam tracks.

Great review overall. And he and I have a similar aesthetic, me thinks.

this new flurry of reviews is so exciting!!!

i dont think it is lame at all that he wants to listen to it again now that he knows who wrote it. he said he needed to listen to several of them again to get a better feel, and he never said he didnt like Music Again, just that the first four ran together on the first listen.

i guess i dont see it so much as “omg, im gonna give adam another chance because justin hawkins wrote it” i see it as “omg this is a piece of work that one of my fave artists touched, must investigate further”. …but as an adam fan im glad that is making him give it another listen… or 4,999

More:

@melenagold Probably the opening of Fever: “There he goes, my baby walks so slow.” Goes on to discuss “sexual tic-tac-toe” and threesomes 5 minutes ago from web

@melenagold For ballads I’d go with Soaked, as long as people could get over the obvious Muse infleunces 2 minutes ago from web

@alinsst Sleepwalker is solid, too. Album’s got legs! less than a minute ago from web

@melenagold Broken Open… cuz I’m listening to it 2 minutes ago from web

I just got my boxed set of the Beatles and am loading them into the computer chronologically, have only got to their 1st two efforts. Now, for a reality check: Based on these first 2 albums I would not have guessed that the Beatles were going to be legendary. No, they just sound like some nice, cheery blokes. Their songs are bouncy, but just okay. And *gasp* they do some covers.

So what’s the point? The point is we have an unusually strong debut CD from Adam. He may not have rewritten music history, but he has definitely raised the bar for future AI hopefuls. And of course I’m not putting Adam in the same category as the Beatles, just trying to make a point regarding debut albums/CDs. Hope this makes sense.

To quote suebrody OMG OMG OMG

Now when do we get to hear this album?

@burningSunset like a someone-made-a-funny-face-at-him laugh half a minute ago from web

**grin**

Hello favorite song ever! I’m so excited that this neutral critic is impressed with the album, even if I don’t agree with his judgment of FYE at all. I think my need for Broken Open, Sure Fire Winners, and Fever is reaching fever pitch. Someone needs to stage an intervention here. When this album leaks and I’m the only one holding out for the real thing, it’s gonna be so hard…

I come in from RL and get all this nice tweeting–thanks suebrody and others for sharing the love. I’m grinning all over my stupid face. cummon nov. 23 commON!!!

He’s going to work on Kris’s now, he said (and do a full review).

Adam fans, he really liked it, and 4/5 stars ain’t shabby (I assume it’s out of 5). I think I agree, that some of the dancey work better than others, and he was a fan of the slower songs that highlight Adam’s beautiful voice.

BTW, RS compares Adam, Allison, and Kris’s initial tracks. I don’t want to get ppl pissed off, so I won’t repeat. I think he liked Alli’s the best.

I love that little laugh that he puts in the middle of What’s Up in the Upright Cabaret set. Hope it is a laugh like that, kind of a snarky giggle.

I come in from RL and get all this nice tweeting’“thanks suebrody and others for sharing the love. I’m grinning all over my stupid face. cummon nov. 23 commON!!!

HOW TO WAIT. HOW TO WAIT? (happy to help, BTW) And yes, Q3, OMG indeed.

*flailing and squeeing*

I have NEVER been more happy about an album coming out. And I mean EVER.

This is why I am taking 11.23 off. How would I get any work done? I need to squee w/ y’all here in the FYE thread!!!

here’s what adam said of adam during the tour

Detroit is Adam Lambert country. The ‘American Idol’  runner-up stole the show at Wednesday’s ‘American Idols Live!’  concert at The Palace of Auburn Hills, and earned the lion’s share of the applause from the spirited audience. ‘American Idol’  has never seen anything like Lambert ‘ ¦ Lambert effortlessly oozed sex appeal, swagger and rock star quality, and gleefully smashed the boundaries of what is expected from contestants on the teeny bopper show.

it’s cool when someone you rave over puts out an album to your liking. i’m excited to hear the entire album now! (i’m not posting what he said about kris during the tour, but his fans might want to avoid his review of kris’ album LOL!)

i’m really excited to hear the muse track sung by adam. i think it’s gonna be my favorite.

More!!!

@watkins70 Ha, thanks for soundbiting me half a minute ago from web

@taragru The chorus is SO Darkness… Permission to Land still one of my favorites of the decade, btw 2 minutes ago from web

@karendiamond1 Ha, didn’t know it was ACTUALLY a Muse track. That’s funny. Thought it was just an homage 3 minutes ago from web

@suebrody1 Yes, it’s a very moody electronic ballad, but he keeps it dialed back, doesn’t go for broke. 7 minutes ago from web

it’s cool when someone you rave over puts out an album to your liking. i’m excited to hear the entire album now!

He pretty much trashed FYE the single, so I think he can be objective. I mean, if we’re going to discount every reviewer who gave Adam a rave review from the tour, about 45 cities reviewers won’t have any credibility with this crowd. Not that you discounted him of course, but I can sense it coming.

Broken Open was the moody electronic ballad he referred to.

*flailing*

And yes, he’s not an Adam stan, and if he said, Every track is the 2nd coming of music, I wouldn’t believe him…plus…he agrees w/ me, LOL

He’s going to work on Kris’s now, he said (and do a full review).

hm, he said earlier that he had been delaying his review.. I’m not excited by his up coming review. I might be wrong

OH OH

Adam Graham grahamorama

@tmg84 Like it or not, they’re linked, and their first-week sales are going to be totally scrutinized against one another less than 20 seconds ago from web (I think he is going to compare them to each other. NO DO NOT DO IT NO NO NO ADAM.)

@suebrody1 Not even worth comparing it to other Idol albums, especially debut efforts less than a minute ago from web

OMG
OMG
OMG

This is my favorite quote of all from a collection of rock-awesome quotes!!! Congrats, sue brody. You rule!!!

Still dying to hear Broken Open (well, okay, the entire rest of the album as well). The reviews are rolling in … LOVE. IT!

@CindyM, thank you soooo much for bringing all those quotes over. You rule too.

Wow so much happens when I’m away for 2 hours. It’s exciting hearing a review from an (grahamorama) objective non stan of Adam. I laughed at the Gokey fans comment re Fever.

Kinda of strange but I agree with most of what he said based on 30 sec clips I’ve heard. I have to listen to the whole album to judge whether the glam rock stuff run together… I don’t think I’ll agree with that.

suebrody I don’t understand, what do you mean?

ETA nvm. it’s late and I am tired. I get it now.

As Jamie Foxx said to Adam:

“I’m crying.”

God, SusanM, HOW THE HELL TO WAIT?!!!!

*flailing and squeeing*

Been listening to long snippet of Pick U Up. How pathetic is it that I can’t wait to hear him laugh at the end?
suebrody- you are the best twitterer.

@tmg84 Like it or not, they’re linked, and their first-week sales are going to be totally scrutinized against one another less than 20 seconds ago from web (I think he is going to compare them to each other. NO DO NOT DO IT NO NO NO ADAM.)

Isn’t that what has been happening in the blog the past several weeks?

This is the first tweet:

@grahamorama Thx for answering the ?’s. But please don’t run Adam&Kris reviews together. AI is over–really not fair to keep comparing them 7 minutes ago from web

And then:

Adam Graham grahamorama

@tmg84 Like it or not, they’re linked, and their first-week sales are going to be totally scrutinized against one another less than 20 seconds ago from web

NO NO NO NO NO

Been listening to long snippet of Pick U Up. How pathetic is it that I can’t wait to hear him laugh at the end?
suebrody- you are the best twitterer.

*humble bow*

Oh, BeckyMD, this is not a good thing; fan warring on Twitter.

BTW, RS compares Adam, Allison, and Kris’s initial tracks.

Online or in the magazine, sue??

like it or not, they’re linked, and their first-week sales are going to be totally scrutinized against one another

He’s right, unfortunately. And they’ll continue to be compared. Happened with the Davids, it’s the nature of the beast I guess!

@grahamorama Did you write a review of FYE that I can read? 2 minutes ago from web

@50diamonds Not yet, just live-Tweeted it tonite during my first listen. Will have a proper review in next few days less than a minute ago from web

So that’s fine.

I am not going to stay for the Kris tweeting, cause I’m not getting a great feeling…

Anyway, I gotta go to bed. I am glad I could help live tweet (lol), and boy, Adam fans, the next couple of weeks are going to be SIIIICK.

laterz

God, SusanM, HOW THE HELL TO WAIT?!!!!

One day at a time, BB. We’ve made it this far. The next 10 days will go so fast.

EEEEEEEKKKK!! We’re ALMOST in single digits.

i’ve been listening to the new snippets on such heavy rotation that i hadn’t listened to FYE in a while (read: longer than the 2 seconds in between plays that it was before) and i got in my car and it came on… and i rolled the windows down and fell in love with it all over again. the song is SO SEXY. ugh.

He’s going to work on Kris’s now, he said (and do a full review).

hm, he said earlier that he had been delaying his review.. I’m not excited by his up coming review. I might be wrong

Kris’ music may not be his cuppa. Hope he can review it as objectively as he did FYE.

“Detroit is Adam Lambert country. The ‘American Idol’  runner-up stole the show at Wednesday’s ‘American Idols Live!’  concert at The Palace of Auburn Hills, and earned the lion’s share of the applause from the spirited audience. ‘American Idol’  has never seen anything like Lambert ‘ ¦ Lambert effortlessly oozed sex appeal, swagger and rock star quality, and gleefully smashed the boundaries of what is expected from contestants on the teeny bopper show. ” — adam graham

Objective non-stan … are you kidding? lol Comments from average people’s twitters does not impress me. I think we all could search and post just as many praising Kris or Allison or whoever… Not to be a downer, but Melanagold is just a regular joe like the rest of us. But, I’m happy she likes some of Adam’s songs.

BTW, RS compares Adam, Allison, and Kris’s initial tracks.

Online or in the magazine, sue??

In the magazine.

For Adam:
Our fave Idol ever–but we weren’t totally blown away by our first listen.

For Allison:
The single is hot but might be too edgy for Idol fans (er, FIBOU? Hrm)

For Kris:
The Idol winner wont match Lambert’s numbers, but should do well w/ the ladies.

There is more, but that’s their “bottom line.”

Adam is asked about Kris too.

Have you heard Kris Allen’s album?

I haven’t heard his album, but love his single. I’ll be one of the first to get a copy, I’m sure.

Awwww! This is sweet! Good Karma, Adam.

EEEEEEEKKKK!! We’re ALMOST in single digits.

WOOT

Oh, and this is not a woman, it’s a man, Adam Graham. I honestly never heard of him before, so if he isn’t objective, I don’t know. I just know that he and a lot of others really like what they have heard, and that’s cool. But honestly, I will make the call, and what I’ve heard I like That’s enough for me.

ETA: gemini1, that’s great. I just hoped he wouldn’t do a blow by blow analysis on Twitter. That couldn’t end well.

BTW, Kradison review on RS (short) is on p. 38, and it’s only based on the first singles, not the albums, and only initial listens.

Wishing the best for Diana DeGarmo and Syesha Mercado.

Objective non-stan ‘ ¦ are you kidding? lol Comments from average people’s twitters does not impress me. I think we all could search and post just as many praising Kris or Allison or whoever’ ¦ Not to be a downer, but Melanagold is just a regular joe like the rest of us. But, I’m happy she likes some of Adam’s songs.

just a clarifying point – he’s not a random twitterer, he is a music critic for a detroit newspaper. i agree, the concert review you were commenting on was very positive… but just because he gave a really good review of adam’s performance doesn’t make him a “stan.” maybe, just maybe, that was his objective opinion.

ETA: ok now he might be losing some credibility… he thinks Katherine Heigl is a good actress.

He pretty much trashed FYE the single, so I think he can be objective.

When and what did he say?

‘Detroit is Adam Lambert country. The ‘American Idol’  runner-up stole the show at Wednesday’s ‘American Idols Live!’  concert at The Palace of Auburn Hills, and earned the lion’s share of the applause from the spirited audience. ‘American Idol’  has never seen anything like Lambert ‘ ¦ Lambert effortlessly oozed sex appeal, swagger and rock star quality, and gleefully smashed the boundaries of what is expected from contestants on the teeny bopper show. ‘  ‘” adam graham

Objective non-stan ‘ ¦ are you kidding? lol Comments from average people’s twitters does not impress me. I think we all could search and post just as many praising Kris or Allison or whoever’ ¦ Not to be a downer, but Melanagold is just a regular joe like the rest of us. But, I’m happy she likes some of Adam’s songs.

Just because he enjoyed Adam’s performance doesn’t mean he can’t be objective.

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/adamgrahamblog/index.php?blogid=313

His review of FYE, the single, when it first came out. It seems to me that he says his opinion, whether it’s positive or negative. Imo it doesn’t make sense for any reviewer who has ever praised a performance or song of an artist to be considered a biased stan of that singer forever. Maybe they just liked that performance/song…shocking concept, I know.

I feel like I’ve missed something here. There are pages and pages and pages posted here of reprints of tweets from ……. God? Or some local newspaper reviewer who praised Adam to the high heavens and trashed Kris? And… any person in their right mind is expecting some sort of professional, objective review of Kris’ album? And after he said he’s been “putting off” reviewing Kris’ album, no less.

I seriously cannot imagine anyone who has an ounce of professionalism prefacing a review like this.

twinkle, I agree. In fact, he didn’t particularly like the first three tracks, at least as a whole. He thought they blended together, and was glad Soaked broke it up. But he was happy overall, and honestly, it was clear to me that he wasn’t an Adam stan (I had never heard of him before, anyway). He isn’t Lyndsey, Michelle Collins, Jim, or Slezak, so there has to be SOME objectivity, no?

Anyway…I’m happy, I’m excited, I can’t wait for this album. ‘s all.

I just got my boxed set of the Beatles and am loading them into the computer chronologically, have only got to their 1st two efforts. Now, for a reality check: Based on these first 2 albums I would not have guessed that the Beatles were going to be legendary. No, they just sound like some nice, cheery blokes. Their songs are bouncy, but just okay. And *gasp* they do some covers.

You have to look at those first 2 albums in the context of the time they were released- what seems like bouncy songs from cheery blokes now was truly groundbreaking in 1963/1964 – their sound AND their look were original and very controversial at the time.

Objective non-stan ‘ ¦ are you kidding? lol Comments from average people’s twitters does not impress me. I think we all could search and post just as many praising Kris or Allison or whoever’ ¦ Not to be a downer, but Melanagold is just a regular joe like the rest of us. But, I’m happy she likes some of Adam’s songs.

What are you talking about?? The tweets tonight are from Adam Graham, the music and pop culture reviewer from the Detroit News. And like I said, I knew it was coming, so I will reiterate:

If we’re going to discount every newspaper reviewer who gave Adam a rave review from the tour, about 45 cities reviewers won’t have any credibility with this crowd.

ETA: Really don’t care what he has to say about Kris’s album, that’s not what the tweets were primarily about tonight. Kris fans can decide whether to accept/discount the review or not.

Eileen, he thought it would be fun to do a live tweeting session, much as someone from EW or Buddy TV or, in fact, Brian Mansfield does during Idol. Then the person writes a formal review. During the live blogging, there is interface. It’s fun. It’s not any different than a lot of other columnists do, he just did it via twitter and not a blog.

Awww.C’mon. JimC, slezak and a lot more also did positive tweets about Kris album and all the fans then were also flailing. It’s just so happens that this critic seems to be too accomodating in answering all the questions tweeted to him. Just don’t read it if it’s annoying. That’s what I do.

Okay, srsly, going to bed for the night. I thought it was fun, anyway.

ciao for now

I can’t imagine a professional reviewer setting up a review by tweeting publicly “I’ve been putting off listening”. Sorry, hard for me to take this too seriously.

Yes, every positive review about Adam is a biased reviewer. He should not be selling more.

Here’s Adam Graham’s review of FYE the single:

“For Your Entertainment,” the first official* taste from Adam Lambert’s debut album of the same name, hit the Internet this morning, and it’s a pulsating slab of heavily processed pop. Lambert’s signature vocals are largely buried under producer Dr. Luke’s throbbing bass line, save for a few signature wails he lets off in the song’s second half — which, frankly, feel out of place here.

The song is very of-the-moment sounding, and will sound agreeable alongside the likes of Lady Gaga on radio. But it’s a disappointment from a singer who was the most exciting contestant on “American Idol” in years. Lambert was best when taking on and reinventing songs from the rock cannon, whether it was Led Zeppelin on the “Idol” stage or Muse during the “Idol” summer tour. To see fall prey to the generic dance-pop trap is disconcerting, as the walls of synths don’t give him much to play with, musically. And the lyrics — “I’m here for your entertainment!” he boasts in the chorus — will likely only please FYE execs who order the song to play on their in-store speakers throughout the holiday shopping season. Sorry, but when there’s already a store with the exact same title as your song, either address it or rethink the title. You don’t see anyone singing a song called “Best Buy,” do you?

Not exactly stanning, is he?

I can’t imagine a professional reviewer setting up a review by tweeting publicly ‘I’ve been putting off listening’ . Sorry, hard for me to take this too seriously.

I second

Sorry, but when there’s already a store with the exact same title as your song, either address it or rethink the title. You don’t see anyone singing a song called “Best Buy,” do you?

This is a quote from that review link posted above for FYE (Detroit news) and I just thought this part was hilarious. This guy has a good sense of humor and its all good; so he doesnt like pop music-its fine, Im sure he will like other songs (at least one) on the album since we know it doesn’t entirely consist of tracks like FYE.

Eileen99
11/13/2009 at 12:33 am

I can’t imagine a professional reviewer setting up a review by tweeting publicly ‘I’ve been putting off listening’ . Sorry, hard for me to take this too seriously.

well, look at it this way… if he said that and then you get a string of positive tweets it will make it all the more sweet, right?

that is how i felt seeing the positive tweets coming in about FYE (the album) knowing that he had trashed FYE (the song).

it’s a fun fan rollercoaster, eh?

“Yes, every positive review about Adam is a biased reviewer. He should not be selling more.”

I’m not talking about Adam’s review – I’m talking about his public tweets that he’s been putting off listening to Kris’ album, then giving an objective review. This I find not credible.

Fun night of Adam Lambert tweeting. FYE is just as boffo as you’d expect — a glam rock disco pop space oddity. Full review coming soon. 7 minutes ago from web

@ontd_fluffy Most fun I’ve ever had on Twitter! 4 minutes ago from web

So: thumbs down on FYE, BUT thumbs up on album!!!

OKAY NOW I REALLY HAVE TO GO TO BED.

CIAO

I can’t imagine a professional reviewer setting up a review by tweeting publicly ‘I’ve been putting off listening’ . Sorry, hard for me to take this too seriously.

I agree that if he’s putting off listening to Kris’ album, he’s coming into it with a bias against Kris. But then, all reviewers have some sort of bias regarding every artist they’ve ever heard/seen. They’re always going to have preconceptions; i.e., “her first album was generic pop dreck so I don’t want to listen to this second one.” But the ones with some objectivity can set aside that bias if, for example, the girl comes out with a brilliant second album. So we’ll see whether this Adam guy can review Kris objectively and set aside his bias or not.

Adam Graham sounds like a disappointed fan, when he talks about FYE.
He’ll get over it. He has much more to love now that he has the album.
Seems like critics have to dislike some of the album so people will think they’re credible. I get Det News/Free Press.
Don’t throw rocks, but I like Kris’s album. In between Adam songs, I’m stuck on Kris’s “Alright with Me” tonight.

Yes, every positive review about Adam is a biased reviewer. He should not be selling more.

i really don’t think so. I’m happy he likes much Adam’s album. But if a reviewer seems prejudice and the artist is not is cuppa before a first listening, i think we are right to assume he might not be objective, no?

adamisthemanfan – you were right on! he did like other tracks… he is the one who’s tweets we are discussing. seems like he really liked the rest of the album.

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/adamgrahamblog/index.php?blogid=313

He seems objective to me. He gave FYE a bad review and didn’t care for the first three song on the album.

Awww.C’mon. JimC, slezak and a lot more also did positive tweets about Kris album and all the fans then were also flailing.

True! Kris’ fans enjoyed the tweets of these two guys. They weren’t “objective” at all. They were practically slobbering all over their phones as they tweeted.

I can’t imagine a professional reviewer setting up a review by tweeting publicly ‘I’ve been putting off listening’ . Sorry, hard for me to take this too seriously.

ITA– well said. Has anyone posted this yet? It’s the People Mag review of Kris’s album– it’s pretty good although, they comment about forced emotions on The Truth– which I can sort of see since I don’t think fits Kris the best. 2.5 out of 4– someone on IDF said it was equivalent to Carrie’s review from them. Was going to attach a link, but it’s not working. Anyway they praise his songwriting skills and recommend Is It Over and Heartless.

Does anyone understand RCA’s strategy? Why bother to release the single two weeks before the album drops if noone promote it. Maybe they don’t care about single sales?

Mtlfan
11/13/2009 at 12:41 am
Yes, every positive review about Adam is a biased reviewer. He should not be selling more.

i really don’t think so. I’m happy he likes much Adam’s album. But if a reviewer seems prejudice and the artist is not is cuppa before a first listening, i think we are right to assume he might not be objective, no?

I think as a Kris fan, you definitely have the right to discern what reviewers you feel are biased towards Kris prior to their review. We all do that. What bothered me was the insinuation by some that because he had raved about Adam on tour, then his review was somehow tainted and he was a stan.

Does anyone understand RCA’s strategy? Why bother to release the single two weeks before the album drops if noone promote it. Maybe they don’t care about single sales?

Of course they care about how the single does. The single is promotion for the album, and they DEFINITELY care about album sales. How are people going to want to buy the album if they haven’t heard the single on the radio or the internet and liked it?

That’s my way of saying I do not understand RCA’s strategy at all with this one. It seems like they’re going with their typical late single release, but with the promotion botched up.

“I agree that if he’s putting off listening to Kris’ album, he’s coming into it with a bias against Kris. But then, all reviewers have some sort of bias regarding every artist they’ve ever heard/seen. They’re always going to have preconceptions; i.e., ‘her first album was generic pop dreck so I don’t want to listen to this second one.’  But the ones with some objectivity can set aside that bias if, for example, the girl comes out with a brilliant second album. So we’ll see whether this Adam guy can review Kris objectively and set aside his bias or not.”

I totally agree with this – I just would like the reviewers to keep their preconceptions to themselves!! Too much information for me – I’d rather not know! But hey, it’s only my opinion.

fluffybunny
11/13/2009 at 12:43 am

Does anyone understand RCA’s strategy? Why bother to release the single two weeks before the album drops if noone promote it. Maybe they don’t care about single sales?
fluffybunny
11/13/2009 at 12:43 am

which is why he’s performing the song on the AMAs?

Really?? You’ve never heard a song on an album and on ‘first listen’  (which he said) didn’t care for it, only upon listening to it more found you really liked it??

Sure. But I can honestly say that I’ve never listened to a song, decided I hated it, found out who wrote it and decided to listen to it 5000 times. I don’t see the point unless I’m trying to brainwash myself.

I know he’s using hyperbole, but it seems to me that he’s determined to like it now that he knows who wrote it (he’s a Justin-stan). I just think that’s lame. I think it’s totally acceptable to dislike, even hate, something your favourite put out. Nobody’s perfect.

Awww.C’mon. JimC, slezak and a lot more also did positive tweets about Kris album and all the fans then were also flailing.

Well, I will give Jim C some credit. His favourite is Allison and he said some unkind things about her album. So, he can criticize the work of his favourites. He may have fun being OTT, but he can say when he doesn’t like something.

“And if that Detroit critic comes out with a positive review of Kris album, I can see flailing again’ ¦.and then he’s not biased anymore. That will work.”
- Lola.

If you’re referring to my comments, then no, you’re not understanding what I said. But, I don’t want to belabor the point any further.

Sure. But I can honestly say that I’ve never listened to a song, decided I hated it, found out who wrote it and decided to listen to it 5000 times. I don’t see the point unless I’m trying to brainwash myself.

But he never said he hated it. This was the tweet:

Tweeted at him: He was asked about Strut, Music Again and Sure Fire Winners:

Answer: SFW is the best of that bunch. The rest kind of run together, at least after 1 listen. 4 me, album really starts w/ Soaked

Those critics/reviewers won’t change our minds anyway. Let them say whatever they want. It may or may not help in selling the albums.

But he never said he hated it. This was the tweet:

Tweeted at him: He was asked about Strut, Music Again and Sure Fire Winners:

Answer: SFW is the best of that bunch. The rest kind of run together, at least after 1 listen. 4 me, album really starts w/ Soaked

Okay.

I can honestly say that I’ve never considered something an unrecognizable meh that ran together with everything else and then found out who wrote it and made myself listen to it 5000 times. I don’t see the point. What is the point? Sure, decide to listen it to again and try to pick out your favourites signature, but to decide to listen to it 5000 times based merely on the writer when you didn’t really care for it much before? Lame.

Dude is a total Justin fangirl.

Like he cares what I think.

What bothered me was the insinuation by some that because he had raved about Adam on tour, then his review was somehow tainted and he was a stan.

CindyM, i agree that’s not a correct assumption. I guess some have still in mind some AI tour reviews where it ended up in a zero-hero type of review which I consider not very good e,g the zero review not the hero ones

I’m pretty sure I’ve listened to “Let it Rain” 5000 times, but all 5000 times were because I liked it initially, not because I like the Swedish yahoo who wrote it with Kris.

But Kirsten, didn’t you admit you watched Adam’s TFM video over and over again even though you hated the song and the video? I remember that because you posted all the problems you found with it. You were doing it for a different reason, but everyone has their reasons. His reason is probably just as valid as yours was at the time.

The Live in the Vinyard official Youtube vids are up. If you go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngNXn5DPtSY you can find them all. Hope this hasn’t already been posted. I’m late to the party today and haven’t had a chance to read back through.

Or, actually, you can find IT there. It’s just LLWD so far. maybe ever who knows?

‘Detroit is Adam Lambert country. The ‘American Idol’  runner-up stole the show at Wednesday’s ‘American Idols Live!’  concert at The Palace of Auburn Hills, and earned the lion’s share of the applause from the spirited audience. ‘American Idol’  has never seen anything like Lambert ‘ ¦ Lambert effortlessly oozed sex appeal, swagger and rock star quality, and gleefully smashed the boundaries of what is expected from contestants on the teeny bopper show. ‘  ‘” adam graham

Okay…I can vouch for this guys statements about Detroit being”Adam Lambert country”, “stealing the show”, and the “lion’s share of the applause”. I was at this concert, at The Palace in Auburn Hills.

Adam was the most well liked of all the idols. He received the greatest applause, screams, etc… Initially when Kris came out he was very well received, the crowd was luke warm in the middle, then came alive again during Hey Jude.

My daughter and I went to the bathroom after the concert, and then out to the barricades. Everyone was talking about Adam, Adam, Adam. I remember thinking, do only Adam fans use the rest rooms after the concert? lol

But Kirsten, didn’t you admit you watched Adam’s TFM video over and over again even though you hated the song and the video?

No, I did not admit that. I watched it once when it came out and once when the HQ video came out (because people said it resolved problems with the first video and I thought I’d check out the improvements). When it came to the part where cars were driving placidly by the rioting people, I re-watched that section to see if I could spot any continuity errors. I like catching continuity errors. I like director’s commentaries. I think it’s amazing how TV/Film/Videos are made. It’s not that deep.

I did not say “Hey, I hate this video. Let’s watch it 5000 more times” or “Hey, I think this video is meh! Let’s watch it 5000 more times” Nor did I watch it 5000 times.

Nor did I say I hated the video or the song. I said they were fine and fit well with the genre. I also admired the timing of the rocks with the music.

It’s not like this dude reviewer is freakin’ Mary Poppins. Nobody is practically perfect in every way. I think he’s a Justin-stan. That has nothing to do with Adam. That doesn’t mean he’s useless as a reviewer. It just means that in some ways he is lame. Like all of us.

I don’t think Adam Graham plans to do a twitter review on Kris’ album — just a print review. That’s what it seems like anyhow.

I don’t think Adam Graham plans to do a twitter review on Kris’ album ‘” just a print review. That’s what it seems like anyhow.

A man can only takes those many tweets one night.

i cant wait to hear this laugh at the end of pick u up! and sexual tic-tac-toe? threesomes?

wildthing, i think i love you!

I also admired the timing of the rocks with the music.

And thanks to Kirsten, every darn time I watch the TfM video I MUST look for the rocks splatting in time to the beat! My eyes can’t help it. I don’t know if this is a good or bad thing.

Awwww! This is sweet! Good Karma, Adam.

LOL, I think this is based on more than good Karma. I believe Adam genuinely loves Kris’s sound. They were/are fans of each other.

JMHO — if every music critic who gave Adam a good review for his Idol Live! performance is discredited as being biased then none of the major music critics in North Amercan can give a creditable review of Adam’s album. Since that is just plain foolishness, I will continue to evaluate critics based on their total body of work. If the reviewer is a part-time blogger who usually writes about TV soaps, I will ignore the review. But if the reviewer is a professional music credit, I read it will interest and hope that I can learn something from another perspective — even when I disagree.

I don’t think Adam Graham plans to do a twitter review on Kris’ album ‘” just a print review. That’s what it seems like anyhow.

Just in case he does, I’ll check it in the morning. I’m a little curious what this Adam fan thinks of Kris. Um, not that one has to be either/or…

Just checked mediabase live charts. Some notes…

LLWD is up to #36 on the Top 40 chart (up 2 spots from this morning)
FYE is at #67 (which is where it was this morning)

Already Gone is up to #2 on the Hot AC chart (up 2 spots from last week)
LLWD is at #22 on the Hot AC Chart (up 1 spot from last week)
Life After You is at #40 on Hot AC chart (up 31 spots from last week)
Cowboy Casanova is at $48 on Hot AC chart (up 10 spots from last week)
FYE is at #49 on Hot AC chart (up 6 spots from last week)

ITA with Q3′s post. This review came from a professional music critic, so I considered it to be informative. I’m sure there will be good and bad reviews for all four of the signed season 8 idols.

Everyone enjoys when their favorite gets a good review. It’s natural.

I do enjoy some of the idol blogger’s reviews, but I don’t put any stock in them. They are all too fangirly for me to take seriously.

(I’m still saying Adam’s comment is good Karma. )

more from mediabase

LLWD has gotten a reported 1467 spins so far this week, up 145 spins from the same point (i.e. through Thursday) of last week

FYE has gotten a reported 275 spins so far this week, up 115 spins from the same point (through Thursday) of last week

One interesting point: FYE is not getting played at all on NYC’s Top 40 station (WHTZ-FM) — it has yet to give it any spins this week. The Hot AC station in NYC (WPLJ-FM) on the other hand, has given it 16 spins so far this week. LLWD, on the other hand, has gotten 30 spins this week on NYC’s Top 40 station (WHTZ-FM) and 19 on the Hot AC station (WPLJ-FM) (the spins for LLWD on both these stations are up from last week)

FYE is down to #59 in Itunes. Free falling so far.

FYE is down to #59 in Itunes. Free falling so far.

Eh, to be fair, Live Like We’re Dying has dropped too. The chart/ spin info is a bit more telling, though. The AMAs will definitely give For Your Entertainment a bump. The question is, how big a bump, and will it last?

Totally agree with Kirsten, that guy is a Justin Hawkins stan, and didn’t want to give up on something related to someone he loves. It has nothing to do with Adam.

@girlygirl

I don’t know why you are comparing LLWD and FYE. LLWD got New York’s Z100 debut and has been out since September. Is it really surprising that it is getting more radioplay now.

FYE is down to #59 in Itunes. Free falling so far.

hmmm, would FYE be one of those albums that are well received by critic but fail in sales?

erinnthered
Eh, to be fair, Live Like We’re Dying has dropped too.

Yeah, and he has been doing lots of promos and getting decent radio spins. Kris should do much better.

Is it really surprising that it is getting more radioplay now.

maybe surprising in that llwd is more a chr song but got more spins from a top40 station than fye which supposedly is more fit for top40 format.

@BeckyMD

As I said, Kris’s single has been out for over a month so you can’t compare it to Adam’s single which has been out for about two weeks.

Yeah, and he has been doing lots of promos and getting decent radio spins. Kris should do much better.

You may have missed that I also just made the point that Kris is climbing the charts (albeit slowly), and Adam is stalled. If we go by right now, neither is doing too peachy.

Kris hasn’t done “a lot of promos” and neither has Adam…Allison hasn’t done a single one (dammit!). Most people are still not aware that either has a single yet. Talk to me again a couple of weeks after Adam has done the AMAs, and Kris does his week of talk show appearances, then maybe there might be a point here.

I don’t know how many times this needs to be said, but for both Adam and Kris it is simply too early to tell anything at all. Don’t even get me started on Allison.

, would FYE be one of those albums that are well received by critic but fail in sales?

I’m not sure it’s appropriate to say Adam has been well received by the critics. That’s usually a bit more objective in the music world. When Fader, NME, Paste, Pitchfork, or Stereogum way in, then you might have something. Plus, 3.5 stars in SPIN is not huge praise. It’s just average, or slightly above average. 4 or more stars, and that would be objectively a strong review. I can’t recall any album ever touting a 3.5 star review from SPIN on their cover. (please prove me wrong if I am, and I mean that)

In any normal situation, Ann Powers wouldn’t be a bad person to give a good review, but she’s so clearly an Adam stan I don’t think anyone takes her seriously here.

I don’t care if it is Adam Lambert. Normal rules apply, and this is what people outside the Idol bubble would consider meaningful.

ETA: I meant some of those others in addition to SPIN and RS. If the others praise, on top of what Adam already has, then that would be a critical hit.

erinnthered
You may have missed that I also just made the point that Kris is climbing the charts (albeit slowly), and Adam is stalled. If we go by right now, neither is doing too peachy.

As I said, Kris is doing promos(radio shows and gigs) and getting decent radio spins now, plus he IS an american idol. That’s why he should do better.

FYE is down to #59 in Itunes. Free falling so far.

LLWD is down to #89

As I said, Kris is doing promos(radio shows and gigs) and getting decent radio spins now, plus he IS an american idol. That’s why he should do better.

It’s all about TV exposure. For both of them. It’s not a competition anymore, and they are both sucking up the charts as we speak. How’s that?

Also, I just noticed I said ‘way’ instead of ‘weigh.’ I swear I can spell.

Aww that was very nice of this guy to do a Q&A with the fans. I can’t wait to read the print review. He liked most of the songs so that was awesome.

I think both Kris and Adam are doing fine, no reason to diss them yet. I think getting radio play is a much slower process than the fans have the stamina for, hence the worrying!

And I totally disagree with knowing you like a song or not at the first listen. Some songs are like that, usually the really really great ones but for me it takes a few listens (I still remember hearing Purple Rain for the first time and then I listened to it so many times I can’t stand it now). This is why radio is so important (or exposure in any way). You get the opportunity to have people hear your songs more than once.

I am really excited the reviewer liked Pick U Up though, I love it! The bridge is ballsy! I am voting for this one as a future single…

Btw, Squirrely did you see Janet is opening the AMA’s?

Btw, Squirrely did you see Janet is opening the AMA’s?

Yes I did. Looking forward to it. Now I wonder where Adam will be placed?

seems to me that fye is following a very similar path as LLWD….peaks in the 20s on itunes, descends downward as it slowly picks up spins in its second week …iirc llwd spent about 3 weeks in the 90-130 range on itunes (while everyone was rending their garments over why it was picking up spins but not sales)….slowly kept picking up spins, and then just last week made a huge jump up on itunes, but is now descending again even tho it cracked the top 40 due to combo of spins/sales etc……i would expect the same for fye altho it might get an earlier bump after the ama performance…..to be comparing where llwd is now after it has been out for almost 2 months, with fye, which has been out for 2 weeks makes no sense at all….seems like they are both doing fine

I think both Kris and Adam are doing fine, no reason to diss them yet. I think getting radio play is a much slower process than the fans have the stamina for, hence the worrying!

ITA! Fans just need to have patience. Musical success takes time.

Is the performance order for the AMAs ever listed prior to the event?

ITA! Fans just need to have patience. Musical success takes time.

Is the performance order for the AMAs ever listed prior to the event?

I think the worry comes from being compared to past idols. Cook, Archie, Clay and Carrie and others did well out of the gate so when the low numbers for Kris and Adam are presented the doom and gloom sets in. I know if I was not on this blog and didn’t see all the numerical comparisons I would think they were doing fine. But all the comparisons is what have me going – What the heck- these are, terrific, entertaining guys and much better than what’s on the radio now, why aren’t they selling???

For Adam and Kris they probably think they are doing great – better then where they were last year so thats enough to make me happy.

And – I don’t think they ever list a performance schedule – at least I never looked for one before or been interested in knowing it before now.

And I totally disagree with knowing you like a song or not at the first listen.

ITA…particularly wrt pop music, I would say about 50% of the time somthing grabs me the first time I hear it, and 50% of the time I find I like something only after hearing it a few times…case in point — Empire State of Mind — heard it for first time on VMAs and did not like it at all, thought it was a mess…but after hearing it in the background at a bunch of yankees games, now I really like it…i have that experience with lots of pop songs ….takes hearing them a few times for them to worm their way into my head

And I totally disagree with knowing you like a song or not at the first listen.

ITA’ ¦particularly wrt pop music

Pop, rap, rock there are a lot of songs I have to listen to more than once before I can say I like it or love (almost everything by Beyonce – I never like with the first listen). So I see nothing strange with someone admitting that. Songs that grab me off the bat is usually something with with a crazy beat – mostly soca, or reggae songs.

wow, this was a lot of comments to catch up on. Main thing I have to add is about the tweet the reviewer from Detroit News did about listening to Music Again 5000 times.

Peeps, this was sarcasm. First, no one really believes he’ll actually listen to it 5,000 times thereby making it overt exaggeration. Second, it’s a typical sarcasm word volley:

“I heard that but I though it was kind of meh” (honest opinion given)

“So-and-so wrote it” (reason given for person to invalidate their own opinion)

“Oh! I’ll have to go listen to it 5000 times.” (extreme exaggeration used to express the unlikelihood of them changing their minds)

Now that whole Adam songs have been sent out for review, is it possible we might get leaks this weekend?

Peeps, this was sarcasm. First, no one really believes he’ll actually listen to it 5,000 times thereby making it overt exaggeration. Second, it’s a typical sarcasm word volley:

I understand, but not likely. He loves the darkness, said it played in his wedding in other tweets. So I think he wanted to look for the Justin in the song.

I can’t imagine that FYE won’t take a huge jump after the incredible promo opportunity Adam gets by singing at the AMA’s.
If not, then Adam may not be the “Elvis” Adam fans were predicting.
Having said that, the single they release frequently isn’t the best song on an album, IMO.

I can’t imagine that FYE won’t take a huge jump after the incredible promo opportunity Adam gets by singing at the AMA’s.
If not, then Adam may not be the ‘Elvis’  Adam fans were predicting.
Having said that, the single they release frequently isn’t the best song on an album, IMO.

I think that FYE (and probably LLWD) as the first single was an attempt to break away from idol from the get-go…..someone from EW (can’t remember who but it wasn’t slezak) wrote that adam was never going to win idol because the people that would eally like him and his music were unlikely to be idol watchers. I think there is a lot of truth to that and fye is an attempt to appeal to the non-idol public rather than his built in fan base. A couple of people in my office who were big adam fans and like TfM were meh on FYE but said “not my thing, but the kids will like it”…and given time and increased radio play I think we will find that the “kids” will like it and it will be a solid hit (i just don’t think it is the type of song that will be a no. 1 smash — altho there are tracks on the album that i think have that potential) Not sure if this post makes any sense…..I’m tired

I don’t think girlygirl was comparing Adam and Kris in her post. I don’t know why it was taken that way. She included all of the charting idols in her report. Sometimes, numbers are just numbers.

As far as the reviewer, or any reviewer, for that matter, meh. I’ll make up my own mind. I never read music reviews to decide whether or not I like music. Sometimes I read movie reviews and know I’ll like the movie if the critics hated it, LOL. It’s just one persons opinion – no matter who they’re reviewing. Of course it’s nice when people say nice things about your favorite, but in RL, do tons of people read reviews to decide if somethings good or not? As long as one reviewer likes it, you can always claim that it’s “critically acclaimed”.

AMA’s should draw in over 12 million viewers this year- even if a small percentage see Adam’s performance and like it enough to buy FYE, it should still see a boost- and we all know how much people love him on stage. I am so excited for him!

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/24/abcs-2008-american-music-awards-rank-no-1-in-viewers-and-among-key-demos/8675

What’s cool about Ann Powers is that she has great credibility in the real world, she’s been a music critic for years and years. If she gives Adam or Kris a great review, the idol blog opinion as to her integrity will mean nothing, as it should.

Well, with the lineup they have for AMA’s, I think it will be a very exciting event and a lot of people will tune in and maybe a lot who won’t will see the performances posted on the internet the day after. Katy and Beyonces dresses and performances from the european music award that was recently are still discussed in the press. It’s a good opprtunity to shine!

I agree saga- I haven’t watched the AMA’s in years because the last time I did it was mostly country acts that were performing- it became to me, more like the CMA’s 2.0. I didn’t even know until this year that it was becoming more pop oriented. 18 acts is unbelievable to me!

Oh, and I didn’t reaad that far back- did anyone notice that Detroit critic spilled the beans on what all the girls in the club wanna know?

where did all the pretty boys go?

where did all the pretty boys go?

??????

AMA’s should draw in over 12 million viewers this year- even if a small percentage see Adam’s performance and like it enough to buy FYE, it should still see a boost- and we all know how much people love him on stage. I am so excited for him

Thanks for that info! I agree that there’s still room to grow and sell that single. His album DID have a great burst of sales. Have we forgotten that? And those new longer snippets prove that this will be a very good album, not the rush-job and poorly produced bland mess some former idols are stuck with. Adam will be fine, maybe not this big huge overnight star that some thought (and even I once suspected), but his international status appears to be set as far as I can see, even if it takes time for the u.s. to catch on.

bridgette12
11/12/2009 at 10:03 pm
Oh gawd! I just saw that Little Rock is #2, behind NYC for the Kradison concert! I swear, if these people from AR can vote like this, why can’t they buy Kris’ CD? Sorry, I just do not want to go to LR for this concert! (Sorry if there are LR people here. Nothing personal!)

I have been to Little Rock, I would much rather go to New York to see Adam in concert.

Personally, since the whole concept of this contest is to have them go to cities/towns that the AI tour DIDN’T go to, places like NYC, LA, and LR should not even be an option.

But please don’t assume it is just people in AR demanding Little Rock. I’ve seen fans of Kris posting that they are voting LR so he can be home for the concert and they feel they have no chance of it being in their area. I’ve seen fans of other artists in the Southeast US voting LR so they might be able to drive to it also.

On the plus side, wasn’t Little Rock the highest seller (or at least close) for the AI tour and there was only one concert date in AR. Also a plus is that the people in the general US regional area (think nearby states) were all fans of Kris, Adam, and Allison.

Oh, and I’m going to say this now and only once. That whole voting thing with LR, AR? Guess what. It’s a regional call center and if you happened to have followed this show from the start, you might know that. There was one year when bad weather took the lines down and voters in the SE were flaying that they couldn’t vote. There was not a single contestant from Arkansas in the running, but there were quite a few from the south.

Personally, since the whole concept of this contest is to have them go to cities/towns that the AI tour DIDN’T go to, places like NYC, LA, and LR should not even be an option.

Good point! Too bad TPTB didn’t follow your idea.

LR was one of the sellouts, but not the only sellout. I’m pretty sure Atlanta was also, in a larger venue and several in the northeast. Even though I’m in LA I would have loved to have seen a NE city get it because they seem to really love their Idols.

Okay I feel a little bit better. Just went back and checked the mediabase chart archives. At 11/10/09, three weeks after the release of LLWD, it was at #45 Hac and #67 Pop. This was after radio promo and interviews and at least a performance or two I believe. FYE’s numbers are really similar with no radio promo, radio interviews or performances after two weeks. There’s been a lot of criticism that Adam hasn’t done radio promo yet and statements that it’s the primary way to get played on the radio. He’s yet to start that, yet his numbers are comparable in a shorter amount of time to someone who has. Granted, it’s still not terrific, but FYE was listed as #4 on Mediabase’s “Taking Off” chart and that’s not a bad thing. The AMA’s will definitely increase his exposure, as well as, the tv appearances on Letterman and Ellen after that. No need to panic, I’m going to hand my worry beads back to put in the carpetbag until I need them again.

Oh, and I’m going to say this now and only once. That whole voting thing with LR, AR? Guess what. It’s a regional call center and if you happened to have followed this show from the start, you might know that. There was one year when bad weather took the lines down and voters in the SE were flaying that they couldn’t vote. There was not a single contestant from Arkansas in the running, but there were quite a few from the south.

I must need more coffee this morning. Once again, ??????

where did all the pretty boys go?

Fianlly we know!

Adam will be fine, maybe not this big huge overnight star that some thought (and even I once suspected), but his international status appears to be set as far as I can see, even if it takes time for the u.s. to catch on.

ITA that Adam will do fine. And even though I think that Adam will do well internationally, I predict that Adam will sell more in North America than the rest of the world.

Personally, since the whole concept of this contest is to have them go to cities/towns that the AI tour DIDN’T go to, places like NYC, LA, and LR should not even be an option.

Now that I have had some time to think about concert, I have a suggestion to make. The Idols Live! Tour did not go anywhere on the Gulf Coast. My recommendation is vote for New Orleans — 1. It is close enough to Little Rock that Kris fans can easily drive there. 2. The 14 million people on the Gulf Coast are avid Idol fans but didn’t have a concert. 3. MOST IMPORTANT: The Gulf Coast is still being rebuilt and making great progress but — it is NOT done! If there is a way to make lemonade out this Kradison concert, maybe giving something to New Orleans would be a real happy ending.

VOTE FOR KRADISON IN NEW ORLEANS!

At what point in their careers will these two wonderfully talented and vastly different individuals be able to discussed without being compared to each other?

Early numbers are early numbers. They are not an indicator or ones long-term sucess. We need to keep in mind that this is a long process that is only beginning. They may both become the next greatest thing, only one of them may, or neither of them. But these early numbers aren’t going to tell us that.

Cindy M: Here is something I found yesterday comparing adds for idol songs that have charted in the top 10. It shows you that most songs have a slower start than we would like to see. I’m keeping this handy for the hand-wringers next Monday and Tuesday.

These are only the stats for the mediabase-monitered U.S. Top-40 stations.

Here is how Daughtry did with “It’s Not Over,” which peaked at #1:
Week 1: 1 (Week of November 1, 2006)
Week 2: 1
Week 3: 2
Week 4: 16
Week 5: 20

Here is how Jordan Sparks did with “Tattoo,” which peaked at #5:
Week 1: 4 (Week of August 22, 2007)
Week 2: 9
Week 3: 5
Week 4: 20
Week 5: 14

Here is how Adam is doing so far with “For Your Entertainment”:
Week 1: 7 (Week of October 28)
Week 2: 9

VOTE FOR KRADISON IN NEW ORLEANS!

I would go there to see them and they could use the revenue.

VOTE FOR KRADISON IN NEW ORLEANS!

Q3 – Not a bad idea at all.

Was this posted

http://blogs.usatoday.com/entertainment/2009/11/jenna-fischer-adam-lambert-glee-are-hot-for-us.html

Who are among the hottest stars in Hollywood? Jenna Fischer, Chris O’Donnell, Adam Lambert, Eliza Dushku and the cast of Fox’s Glee ‘” according to Us Weekly, at least. The entertainers are among those being honored with ‘Stars of the Year’  as part of the magazine’s annual Hot Hollywood issue, which will be celebrated Wednesday in L.A.

So USA Today and TV Guide thinks Adam is hot.

Two more publications sucked into that idol bubble. Damn shame. That bubble is turning into The Blob

Thanks for the numbers. Very interesting and you make good points. However, I don’t think comparing FYE to Daughtry’s single makes sense.

Daughtry’s single didn’t even go for adds until 12/5 so the the first 5 weeks of adds you posted were all before the official adds date. Daughtry’s album was out before the single went to radio.

Do you have the numbers for Crush? I’d be interested to see how that compares with FYE.

Another gathering for Adam!!! Well, that’s one way to get press and pretty pictures! Now we just need some radio spins..

Anything happen last night after the Twitter party?

It took me forever to find Adam Graham’s twitter review in the thread so I am posting it again. Even though I don’t agree with him on some songs.(and he qualifies this is just on first listen) this to me is a fantastic review! He says this album cannot even be compared to other Idol albums especially debut albums!! Wow! I don’t how I can wait over a week for this CD but I have never had so much fun!
http://twitter.com/grahamorama

You know, I really think FYE’s debut is the AMAs. I think the RCA strategy all along was to release the single and album at more or less the same time. The earlier release of the single IMO was probably just for us, Adam’s core fans. They were not overly concerned yet about radio play because they have not really unvailed him/his song to the world really. I think one AMA performance will equal about 100 radio interviews and then that performance will be quickly followed by performances and appearence on TV shows that attract nice viewer numbers ( like Letterman which gets higher numbers than Conan), Ellen,etc. You are going to see a big single/album push after the AMAs. So I am going to defer my very mild fan anxiety until after the 23rd. If I don’t see spins and radio adds increasing at that time, THEN I will stree a bit.

FYE is down to #59 in Itunes. Free falling so far.

BeckyMD : hmmm, would FYE be one of those albums that are well received by critic but fail in sales?

That is the iTunes chart position for FYE single — not the album. Right now, FYE Delux album is the #1 preorder on iTunes US.

Based on all of the retail reports and the retail charts, FYE may end up being the #1 Idol alum presale ever. Here are the current US Charts:

iTunes – FYE Deluxe album: #30 all albums #7 pop
iTunes – FYE Regular album; #179 all albums #7 pop
iTunes – FYE Single: #59 all songs #23 pop songs
Amazon US FYE Regular album: #10 all albums, #3 Rock albums
Best Buy Preorder chart FYE Regular album: #1 all albums
Barnes & Nobel Bestsellers: #11 all albums

For comparison here are Kris’ numbers wich are more typical for Idol debut preoder and sales performance:
iTunes – KA album: #94 all albums #19 pop albums
iTunes – LLWD: #93 all songs #34 pop songs
Amazon US KA album: #36 all albums #16 rock albums

I just saw that Little Rock is #2, behind NYC for the Kradison concert!

LMAO This is actually not smart at all. They need publicity now and it’ll be better for all three if the show happens in NY or LA for obvious reasons. I’m sure Kris can see his friends another time.

That is the iTunes chart position for FYE single ‘” not the album. Right now, FYE Delux album is the #1 preorder on iTunes US.

LOL…and where exactly can I find this chart?

edit: NO blog on blog talk please. stick to the subject.

Jae- this is what I have thought all along. Also, with the mainstream critics giving such good reviews so far I don’t think Adam will have a problem enlarging his non AI fanbase but it will TAKE TIME. I am just very happy this album so far is a critical success because this gives Adam so much credibility and just solidifies what us fans have felt and known about him from the beginning. I really don’t think Adam will be stopped from making a major mark in the music industry. There is such an undercurrent of feverish hunger for him and it is exciting to be in it from the beginning.

On the plus side, wasn’t Little Rock the highest seller (or at least close) for the AI tour and there was only one concert date in AR.

Little Rock had the highest attendance for the S8 tour with 14,288 attending. It was sold out as were 7 other cities (with fewer tickets available).

The Season 8 Little Rock concert also has the distinction of being the highest grossing single concert in AI Tour history with $820,823 in ticket sales.

When we’re talking about adds for FYE vs. Daughtry, Jordin, and Archie’s Crush, seems to me we ought to factor in the fact that a gay, grown man singing a kind of electro-pop glammish dance-y thing is not in the least anything that’s been played on U.S. radio recently.

Whereas with Daughtry, Jordin, and Crush, you really were seeing songs that fit precisely into niches that were already well accepted by radio — Nickelback, young R&B-influenced pop girls, and boyish nonthreatening boys singing poppy love songs. (and even Archie was different enough from the bulk of what’s on there that he couldn’t get his second single played…)

Radio loves what it’s already playing. To me, FYE — and Adam — are just different enough from what’s completely standard at the moment to make many stations slower to pick the song up — even, perhaps, less likely to pick it up at all. Radio is very very conservative about trying anything even a little bit new. And for all the talk that FYE is “just like Britney,” or whatever, the fact is that a man singing in that vein is not something that radio is playing, otherwise. I think it’s possible that FYE will be a very slow developer, for that reason.

I still want the concert to be held in NYC, where a great many people can travel to (not, say, Omaha), and where it is bound to get great press. Maybe it won’t matter at that point for Kradison, but it can’t hurt, right?

That is the iTunes chart position for FYE single ‘” not the album. Right now, FYE Delux album is the #1 preorder on iTunes US.

LOL’ ¦and where exactly can I find this chart?

I think what Q3 is saying, correct me if I’m wrong, is if you go to the top albums chart, all the albums above FYE are already released, so in effect FYE is the highest preorder on Itunes right now.

I think what Q3 is saying, correct me if I’m wrong, is if you go to the top albums chart, all the albums above FYE are already released, so in effect FYE is the highest preorder on Itunes right now.

OK. I see now.

Here is how Adam is doing so far with ‘For Your Entertainment’ :
Week 1: 7 (Week of October 28)
Week 2: 9

I believe the correct number of adds for FYE are:

Week 1 [10/28/09]: 13 monitored
Week 2 [11/04/09]: 19 monitored + 2
Total Historic Adds: 34 monitored +2

Link to list of stations: http://addboard.mediabase.com/SongAddHistory.asp?Sngcde=LAMBFYE&ob=1&format=XX

Okay I feel a little bit better. Just went back and checked the mediabase chart archives. At 11/10/09, three weeks after the release of LLWD, it was at #45 Hac and #67 Pop.

But there is a difference. LLWD hadn’t gone for adds at that point whereas FYE is nearing two weeks post adds. The add date is when the label makes the big push to get radio stations to play the song.

So either RCA didn’t push the song or radio stations didn’t want to accept what RCA was pushing.

If RCA didn’t push, why didn’t they? When do they plan on starting? Weren’t they supposed to start this week? Was this week on radio a massive improvement over last week?

If RCA did push it, why aren’t the radio stations accepting it? Did they make a mistake trying to push it too soon? What can RCA do to change the situation?

That’s where the discussion comes from. We can’t just ignore the add date. It generally means something.

We can’t compare apples to apples because the situation of the songs are different. We do know that LLWD got a lot of adds on its add dates and a significant spincrease. Perhaps the AMAs will act as a defacto second adds date for FYE, but that’s going to be tougher. That occurs on a Sunday night which doesn’t give many program managers a chance to react and that week is Thanksgiving so it’s a short week.

There is generally less second guessing of Jive’s strategy because they are following the tried and tested radio release strategy. When you try something different, people are bound to try to puzzle out if it was a good move or a mistake.

Here is how Adam is doing so far with ‘For Your Entertainment’ :
Week 1: 7 (Week of October 28)
Week 2: 9

Q3, Is FYE doing poorly or as expected, given the AMAs predicted bump AND the fact that many ppl received the single for free, and so what is impt is the high pre-sales for FYE the album?

Cause honest to God, I just don’t know.

LLWD has a 4-5 week head start on radio compared to FYE. I just want to know when we declare FYE a flop because it hasn’t hit 5,000 spins weekly on the Top 40 chart. I give it 2 more weeks top.

Seriously, it may be possible RCA is going for the big push this week. Or radio is just slow to accept someone so different (as Lucy) said. Radio is very conservative about what it plays.

I just want to know when we declare FYE a flop because it hasn’t hit 5,000 spins weekly on the Top 40 chart.

It depends on who your personal numbers guru is…

Personally, I think that benchmark is whack. But what do I know?

11/13/2009 at 9:27 am
That is the iTunes chart position for FYE single ‘” not the album. Right now, FYE Delux album is the #1 preorder on iTunes US.

Tony: LOL’ ¦and where exactly can I find this chart?

Since it is a very short list of albums above FYE, it doesn’t take a lot of effort to check the release dates. Note: on the Best Buy Preorder chart — FYE was #1 for the past few days — just dropped to #3 on last update.

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Based on all of the retail reports and the retail charts, FYE may end up being the #1 Idol alum presale ever

And there is a quote in the print edition of RS from a music chain rep that Adam’s pre-orders are “through the roof”

Do you have the numbers for Crush? I’d be interested to see how that compares with FYE.

jpfan:

Crush’s first week adds were at 8, FYE was 13. (these are total adds) Sorry, I can’t find the next week. I’m sure someone could.

Q3: The numbers I posted were for TOP 40 ONLY (pop), not totals.

Earings to match the pendant

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Squirrely, are you getting them? I wish I had gotten the pendant. Dammit.

I think I don’t care about FYE spins right now, if the album pre-orders are “through the roof.”

http://pennyroyalsilver.com/

Squirrely, are you getting them? I wish I had gotten the pendant. Dammit.

I’m debating it – I love my pendant.

I got the earrings a couple of weeks ago when he first tweeted about them.
They are adorable but get yourself some safety backs (or better yet have screw backs put on them) as the ones they come with are iffy. Lost one in bed the other night and almost had a panic attack

You know, all I’m discerning from the numbers that are posted is that RCA is promoting Adam’s album right now and not his single. Whether it is a good strategy or not can be debated, but it seems pretty obvious that they chose to go this way deliberately otherwise we’d see Adam hawking the song on radio stations. He’s now getting ready to film the music video. They are going for the “package” deal. AMA performance, interviews and live performances the week of the 23rd and somewhere in there the release of the music video. That all smacks of album and “Brand Lambert” promo, not single promo.

Am I off base here?

And there is a quote in the print edition of RS from a music chain rep that Adam’s pre-orders are ‘through the roof’ 

I think the “through the roof” refers to all albums dropping on November 23rd. Adam, however, has more pre-orders on Amazon than any other AI alum. Here’s the exact quote:

“Pre-orders are through the roof”, says Carl Mello of music chain Newbury Comics.

“A rep for Amazon.com tells EW that presales for that week are the highest of the year – and that Lambert has done better in pre-orders than any American Idol alum ever.”

Am I off base here?

No- spot on.

Not sure what Crush’s adds were the first 2 weeks but its spin count was the following:

61 48 DAVID ARCHULETA Crush 659 264 395 7.107

This was for Aug. 15, 2 weeks from its premiere on Z100

Here’s today’s Top 40 numbers:

80 68 ADAM LAMBERT For Your Entertainment 175 96 79 0.615

There’s a pretty big difference of almost 500 spins. Again, these numbers don’t predict. They’re just interesting. FYE could blast off tomorrow for all we know.

80 68 ADAM LAMBERT For Your Entertainment 175 96 79 0.615

This is Adam’s stats 2 weeks post KIIS premiere

Suebrody: You asked how FYE is doing – and I think Q3 mentioned FYE’s the first two weeks above.

For comparison, when LLWD officially went for adds, it picked up something like 26 monitored Top 40 stations and 15 monitored HAC stations – IIRC, it was the #2 added song across the two formats for that week. I’ve got the numbers at my office, but I think that’s pretty close. If someone has the exact numbers, please correct me.

There is no comparison as to how Kris did with adds in his first couple of weeks out of the gate and how Adam has done. In fact, Kris’ adds now are pretty close to Adam’s first two weeks of adds.

I don’t know if this is due to the type of song, or if it’s a function of how hard the labels worked radio (I suspect the second).

I love the WSJ interview with Adam. His whole take on the cover, the fact that he sees his album as a “veggie platter, if you will”. He is hilarious and pretty much always honest, direct and positive.

And then I saw this:

“How closely do you follow the forums on your site and read what people tweet at you?

I breeze through Twitter ‘” I look at the mentions, the pictures, the videos. But I try not to get too wrapped up in message boards because it’s crazy. When the fans are supportive, that’s super positive. On the flip side, when message boards are filled with negativity, I find it sad that people have nothing better to do than hate on others online. It’s not a good vibe.”

I’m sure he was referring to some of the more negative sites that can be found online with less moderating than this one, but I could not help but wonder whether he had cruised through here at certain and read some of the more negative comments. Not pointing fingers here at anybody in particular, just noticing.

Love to all of you.

I know it’s been pretty much determined that the Davids were a massive success and seemingly the yardstick by which all other Idols are measured…but wouldn’t you say that having singles get released and receiving airplay during a successful and publicized tour would have contributed to such good sales for both of them? Curious if Adam and Kris had done the same, would it have provided a much-needed boost.

jpfan: Those are not daily spins; they’re weekly spins. (sorry).

Why is the audience impressions for FYE so low? Isn’t he getting played on the big stations since he’s on a major label?

Am I off base here?

No- spot on.

I think so too, because he has not done anything to push FYE single. I think once the AMAs (praying he has a stellar performance) are over his promotion will be for the whole album.

They are going for the ‘package’  deal. AMA performance, interviews and live performances the week of the 23rd and somewhere in there the release of the music video. That all smacks of album and ‘Brand Lambert’  promo, not single promo.

Totally agree, rowenaaine. When I heard he was filmng the video this Sunday, that was the first thing that popped into my mind. It’s a total AMA roll out. I think it’s very smart.

“I think once the AMAs (praying he has a stellar performance) are over his promotion will be for the whole album.”

That, I am not worried about at all!

Pop: 173 (+16)
HAC: 174 (+1)

Aud: 2.820 (+0.296)

Kris 2 weeks after Z100 premiere

“”LLWD has a 4-5 week head start on radio compared to FYE. I just want to know when we declare FYE a flop because it hasn’t hit 5,000 spins weekly on the Top 40 chart. I give it 2 more weeks top”"

How about never? sheesh – Debbie

I do not believe a song has to hit 5,000 spins a week in the first month or even two to not flop. Just for the record.

My expectations for anything Adam does is not low, especially FYE. Great song, just give it TIME.

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Debated for a couple of minutes, then ordered them to match the pendant. It doesn’t say anything about Musicares (at least that I saw), so I’m guessing part of this doesn’t go to the charity.

But let’s all forget about that 5,000 weekly criteria since most will agree it’s kinda OTT

“I know it’s been pretty much determined that the Davids were a massive success and seemingly the yardstick by which all other Idols are measured’ ¦but wouldn’t you say that having singles get released and receiving airplay during a successful and publicized tour would have contributed to such good sales for both of them? Curious if Adam and Kris had done the same, would it have provided a much-needed boost.”

Crush was never performed or sung on tour….how exactly would that have helped? In fact, the tour kept him from being able to do any radio promo for the single aside from the premiere until well after the tour was over.

I think the ‘through the roof’  refers to all albums dropping on November 23rd

Hmm….I didn’t read it that way at all…it was in the section of the articles specifically discussing and referencing Adam…..but whatever, it is what it is

That’s where the discussion comes from. We can’t just ignore the add date. It generally means something.

Jive had radio stations spinning the crap out of Crush before it went for adds.

I’m looking at week to week comparisons, just to see what is “typical”. I’m NOT trying to prove that anyone is winning. I think AI fans as a whole have unrealistic expectations. It makes everyone feel better to see how long it takes songs to get to a top 20 position. (if they ever are lucky enough to get there)

I breeze through Twitter ‘” I look at the mentions, the pictures, the videos. But I try not to get too wrapped up in message boards because it’s crazy. When the fans are supportive, that’s super positive. On the flip side, when message boards are filled with negativity, I find it sad that people have nothing better to do than hate on others online. It’s not a good vibe.’ 

I’m sure he was referring to some of the more negative sites that can be found online with less moderating than this one, but I could not help but wonder whether he had cruised through here at certain and read some of the more negative comments. Not pointing fingers here at anybody in particular, just noticing.

I hope he stay away from the comment section of some of the magazine and media sites. Don’t care how thick skinned you are some of the nasty stuff written at EW and MTV to name a few has to hurt.

“I do not believe a song has to hit 5,000 spins a week in the first month or even two to not flop. Just for the record.”

jpfan – some Adam fans were holding LLWD to a ridiculously high standard and declaring it a flop, so this is sort of an old joke. Obviously FYE is not and should not be held to this standard and neither should any other new song.

JimC

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They are going for the ‘package’  deal. AMA performance, interviews and live performances the week of the 23rd and somewhere in there the release of the music video. That all smacks of album and ‘Brand Lambert’  promo, not single promo.

This has been my take on it too! Also agree, that this may or may not be a successful approach, if some measure success by singles sales. I’ve noticed for some years now that teens and younger people buy singles, and older folks (that would include me!) seem to still buy the full album, maybe looking for the artist’s full presentation. But isn’t “album success” how artists have longevity??

I don’t understand any of this talk that Adam’s maybe a failure just because FYE isn’t already a top 10 hit, after only being out for less than 2 weeks! Maybe I don’t understand the industry. What am I missing here?? Is there someone who understands music business or marketing who can explain this?

(And btw it sounded upthread like Kristen’s analysis of radio adds compared to LLWD meant that maybe FYE is already doomed.)

I know it’s been pretty much determined that the Davids were a massive success and seemingly the yardstick by which all other Idols are measured.

Since when? I think they were a yardstick used for measuring success for Kris and Adam mainly because they were 1 and 2 from last year (the closest AI era), they were another male 1-2 finisher with pretty good sized AI fanbases and were kinda sorta aiming for similar radio airplay formats. Most importantly, we had to skip the the S6 and S5 1 and 2 finishers because they were kinda weak, and when you go back to S4 and earlier, then you end up in a vastly different era as far as sales because of the decline in the music industry (mainly due to illegal downloading). I don’t think anyone’s saying the Davids are the sh*t at all! They are just the handiest yardstick for measuring some modicum of success — but everyone acknowledges that you can’t ever have apples to apples comparisons with these guys.

I don’t agree that Kirsten’s analysis showed that FYE is doomed. In fact, I don’t think she did any analyzing. She was just posing questions. Not drawing conclusions. But maybe I misread. I don’t think any song can be declared doomed until it’s dead and buried. Then you can look back and decide if it was a success or not. You can draw conclusions at that point to see how the marketing worked or not. Trying to analyze before that is interesting, but not conclusive.

For comparison, when LLWD officially went for adds, it picked up something like 26 monitored Top 40 stations and 15 monitored HAC stations ‘“ IIRC, it was the #2 added song across the two formats for that week. I’ve got the numbers at my office, but I think that’s pretty close. If someone has the exact numbers, please correct me.

There is no comparison as to how Kris did with adds in his first couple of weeks out of the gate and how Adam has done. In fact, Kris’ adds now are pretty close to Adam’s first two weeks of adds.

We’ve already discussed that comparing the first official week of adds for Adam and Kris is pointless – Kris’s roll out was completely different – with several weeks lead timebefore the add date, more radio promo etc.

And as for the Davids rehashing, I know that’s inevitable, being what it is, but really, from my POV the Davids did very well off the bat, and continue to do well on their own, but how much did they really gain outside of the AI base? They had great numbers with the first singles because of those huge bases, but the second Archie single went nowhere, and Cook doesn’t exactly burn up the radio charts with his songs (though he sold the songs and album and tours well)

All I’m saying is, every one of these guys has done well in certain cases, and not so well in others. To say Adam and Kris are failing compared to the Davids at this stage in the game, well, ok, I’m looking at the long term though. So lets see how things look a year from now.

Jersey:

I don’t think anyone is saying FYE is doomed at all. People have asked how FYE is doing and if it’s good or bad. Since the knives were out for LLWD when it didn’t jump the charts in a week, people now are interested in looking back at its path since it’s become a moderate hit and is still building.

Earings to match the pendant

http://pennyroyalsilver.com/

Did you see what item came up directly afterwards? Sophia’s Heart jewelry.

Suebrody:
Adam’s TOTAL adds were 13 the first week and Kris’ were 14. (including two Arkansas stations)

Adam’s adds were 21 last week. (including 3 Canadian stations) Kris’ adds were somewhere in that vicinity, I can’t remember exactly.

All is well.

Nobody 44
11/13/2009 at 10:11 am
This has been my take on it too! Also agree, that this may or may not be a successful approach, if some measure success by singles sales. I’ve noticed for some years now that teens and younger people buy singles, and older folks (that would include me!) seem to still buy the full album, maybe looking for the artist’s full presentation. But isn’t ‘album success’  how artists have longevity??

I don’t understand any of this talk that Adam’s maybe a failure just because FYE isn’t already a top 10 hit, after only being out for less than 2 weeks! Maybe I don’t understand the industry. What am I missing here?? Is there someone who understands music business or marketing who can explain this?

I’m an album buyer myself, and only started buying singles since I got an iPod 2 years ago (unless you count the couple of 45s I bought when I was 10 cuz I didn’t have enough allowance money for albums yet).

I’m one of the “newbies” to the Idol blogging world and still coming to grips with the comparisons to previous seasons. I do get the comparison among other S8 contestants – that is logical to me because I saw the last few weeks of S8 and attended a couple of the Idols Live concerts. I don’t wish Kris any ill, I bought LLWD and turn up the radio whenever it comes on – but that being said, I do compare the numbers for LLWD and FYE as they are posted here. Not to say “nyah nyah my idol is better than your idol” but to see if either of them can be considered a success and how they might catch up to each other to both be successful.

I’ve thought all along (and posted so in a few threads) that LLWD and FYE numbers were similar enough for me to say they are both doing “ok.” Not great, not flops, just OK. And maybe that’s fine. Rather than either of them shooting out of the gate as a #1 hit maker, they get the opportunity for their music to grow on people; especially people that didn’t follow Idol.

Judging by what I’ve seen promo-wise (and some of you seem to support the same theory), I’ll wait until Adam’s album numbers are posted before I decide if he’s going to be ok. I tend to think he will be. I think it’s natural to want your favorite to do the best when they just came off a “competition.” I guess the competition never ends – that seems to be the general consensus. But I know when Adam’s album drops into my iPod I’m going to play the bejeezus out of it. That’s what *I’m* waiting for. Selfish, I know.

Eileen, I was just responding to a post above mine saying that people were calling Adam a failure. I don’t agree that he’s a failure either. It’s too early to tell one way or another. As I said, it’s fun to analyze. Go for it!

gemini – your information is not correct on Kris’ adds.

I don’t really care but those adds numbers don’t add up. I remember the Kris had a huge number of adds early on and was actually #1 on either the Top 40 or HAC chart for the week.

And the numbers posted on the Mediabase chart are total spins for the past 7 days (they just update daily).

I know it’s been pretty much determined that the Davids were a massive success and seemingly the yardstick by which all other Idols are measured’ ¦but wouldn’t you say that having singles get released and receiving airplay during a successful and publicized tour would have contributed to such good sales for both of them? Curious if Adam and Kris had done the same, would it have provided a much-needed boost.

”crush” was recorded and released during the tour, but never sung on the tour… david a did his promo /z100 premiere in the midst of whirlwind touring, recording the debut album, shooting the video for crush, etc….

crush just connected really well with the intended audience, and coupled with his fanbase anticipation and excitement to hear david’s new song as we called it, we stepped up and downloaded it like crazy… and the downloads remained strong and very consistent, propelling it to platinum, and now it’s snaeking up on 2x platinum… ”crush” sales always seemed to outpace its airplay, which signals to me that it was just a good song, at the right time, connecting to the right audience…

”toml” was cook’s coronation song, and it was a success out of the gate, and was sung by him nightly on tour… iirc, no boundaries for lambert and allen didn’t have this luxury long, because the song was not well received…..a cook fan would have to give you more info on it’s airplay vs sales and all that good stuff, but it was another song that just connected well with its intended audience…

tptb decided to take a different approach this season with the singles/album releases, and some of their approaches have not paid off as well as they would have hoped… it’s a chance you take, but who knows how it will come out in the end… both david’s archuleta and cook are deserving of everything and every success earned up to this point… david a especially so, in my mind, because he didn’t have a massive promo machine, as the runner up, backing him up as he began his solo career, so every success he achieves is all the sweeter…

Keel
11/13/2009 at 10:13 am
I know it’s been pretty much determined that the Davids were a massive success and seemingly the yardstick by which all other Idols are measured.

Since when? I think they were a yardstick used for measuring success for Kris and Adam mainly because they were 1 and 2 from last year (the closest AI era), they were another male 1-2 finisher with pretty good sized AI fanbases and were kinda sorta aiming for similar radio airplay formats. Most importantly, we had to skip the the S6 and S5 1 and 2 finishers because they were kinda weak, and when you go back to S4 and earlier, then you end up in a vastly different era as far as sales because of the decline in the music industry (mainly due to illegal downloading). I don’t think anyone’s saying the Davids are the sh*t at all! They are just the handiest yardstick for measuring some modicum of success ‘” but everyone acknowledges that you can’t ever have apples to apples comparisons with these guys.

I’m just going by what I continually read here at MJs regarding out of the gate success based on TOML and Crush and their album sales. I don’t go anywhere else that is Idol-centric, only to Adam sites so I wouldn’t have really seen the comparisons anywhere else.

Adam’s TOTAL adds were 13 the first week and Kris’ were 14. (including two Arkansas stations)

All is well.

‘k, thanks.

I wanna know about the Elle Photoshoot. Magazine won’t be out for a few days, right? Looking for TV Guide Hot List, which I believe will be out today or this weekend.

And for those that missed it, RS reviews the three singles from Kradison this issue (FIBOU got highest reviews), the Adam “controversial” article about Gene Simmons was in there (for the record, he did NOT diss Kanye or Bob Dylan, but was very negative toward Simmons), and there was a review of Kris’s KA, but I didn’t get a chance to read it (he got a B, right? And I think a B- from EW.com, not Slezak).

Debating on the pendant earrings…

Eileen: I got it off pulse mediaboards. I will go back and look for his first week adds that Kristen posted weeks ago and I will update. I don’t think they got it wrong on Pulse.

I don’t really care but those adds numbers don’t add up. I remember the Kris had a huge number of adds early on and was actually #1 on either the Top 40 or HAC chart for the week.

Ok, am I missing something here? If I look at the mediabase adds history for LLWD, this is the list, and it only shows 10 for the first week LLWD was available. And Eileen99, like before, we are not counting the official adds week for both, but rather the first week available for both, because both followed different roll out patterns, which makes comparing first week of official adds pretty pointless.

http://addboard.mediabase.com/SongAddHistory.asp?startdate=&ob=-4

I don’t agree that Kirsten’s analysis showed that FYE is doomed. In fact, I don’t think she did any analyzing. She was just posing questions. Not drawing conclusions.

That’s exactly what I was doing. I’ve never said that FYE is doomed. In fact, I’ve suggested patience and reasonable expectations. Not the 5000 spins per week in three weeks that others have suggested.

I simply like to figure out strategies and if they are working. It’s a total black box, so we may never see the clear picture of what’s inside.

I’m just going by what I continually read here at MJs regarding out of the gate success based on TOML and Crush and their album sales. I don’t go anywhere else that is Idol-centric, only to Adam sites so I wouldn’t have really seen the comparisons anywhere else.

those discussions and comparisons were first brought into play by fans of lambert and allen… wanting to do the compare/contrast thing, especially w/”crush” being used as the so called performance ”barometer” for debut singles… it’s all good, as long as we keep in mind that no two songs are going to perform alike, or have the same circumstances upon release… what david and david did was remarkable for a winner and runner up coming off idol, and they rightfully deserve their props… but the day will come when they will be replaced by another group of contestants whose releases/numbers will become the new comparison point for another group of fans… and so it goes…

I’m so glad that LLWD was released a month ahead of FYE so that Kris’ fans have some adds/spins numbers to root for.

Thanks rowenaaine for attempting to help me out of my confusion! I guess I misunderstood Kristen too. So people aren’t calling Adam a failure already? Good. Especially with those album pre-orders, I was getting confused. But I’m new to all this Idol blog-world, lol.

A lot of comparisons happen with the David’s because they’re the most recent ones to compare to and the ones who released anything closest to the state of the industry and how CD/singles are selling. Of course they aren’t the yardstick to be held to. By all means then lets compare Kris and Adam to Carrie and Kelly who ARE the absolute standard in Idol success. You can’t escape Idol comparisons in general. Fans from every fanbase compare numbers and have spreadhseets showing how Idols stack up against each other and the media love to pounce on comparisons when numbers come out. So when the albums drop this month maybe Carrie/Kelly/Daughtry’s numbers are the new standard that should be aimed for when comparing?

We always talk about Adam and Kris but what about Allison. Is her single getting radioplay?

OK, I’ll just say to count whatever adds make you feel good.

However, the industry views the official “add date” as a benchmark and labels tout the adds of their artists based on this date, not how many stations played the song before it went for adds. All adds prior to the add date get counted in the week the song is officially up for adds.

This is why Jive put a big banner on AllAccess after Kris’ add date touting his #2 adds at Top 40.

I just want to know when we declare FYE a flop because it hasn’t hit 5,000 spins weekly on the Top 40 chart.

Personally, I think that benchmark is whack. But what do I know?

I agree that that “5,000 spins = a flop” is a “whack” benchmark.

And I believe that something that I wrote a couple of weeks ago got severely twisted around — what I worte was that all of the Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 songs had over 5,000 spins. And that to be a hit [defined as Billboard Top 10] a song need more than 1,000 spins — usually over 5,000 spins. It took about 4 hours for that to get twisted by some other commenters into a song with less that 5,000 spins is a “flop”. Just to be clear:

About 50% of the Billboard Hot 100 ranking is based on broadcast radio airplay — number of spins wieghted by Arbitron audience measurement to get “airplay points”. It is almost impossible for a song to enter the Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 without significant airplay. The typical Top 10 hit has over 5,000 total spins. And the songs that make the Top 10 with less than 5,000 spins typically has significant airplay in the major markets — because airplay points are the largest component of the Billboard Hot 100 formula.

Here is last week’s Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 with total spins:

1. Fireflies, Owl City 7037
2. Empire State Of Mind, Jay-Z + Alicia Keys 2796
3. Whatcha, Say Jason DeRulo 10097
4. Replay, Iyaz 5991
5. Down, Jay Sean Featuring Lil Wayne 9475
6. Party In The U.S.A., Miley Cyrus 9231
7. Paparazzi, Lady Gaga 10359
8. 3, Britney Spears 7556
9. Russian Roulette, Rihanna 3153
10. Sweet Dreams, Beyonce 8911

Currently there are Top 10 song has less that 5,000 — but they are both songs that have gotten airplay the large markets.

The Hot 100 is often criticized for weighing airplay more than sales. And the ratio given to sales and airplay has been changed many times since 1958. In the 1950s and 1960s sales points were given more “weight” in Hot 100 calculation. As the singles market dwindled in the United States, Billboard to adjusted the sales/airplay ratio to favor airplay points, and now a song can top the Hot 100 Sales chart and sell only a few thousand copies in a week, but a song that sells 40,000 units with no airplay won’t creack the Top 40.

So, to borrow the word “whack” from Kristen, the only thing “whack” is the Billboard Hot 100 — a chart on which Mariah Carey holds the record for the most weeks at number one in total with 93 weeks atop the chart — not because she has sold so much music but because she holds the record for airplay points.

Finally, the Billboard Hot 100 is not the chart used by American Top 40 with Ryan Seacrest — they use the MediaBase CHR and Hot AC, distributed by Premiere. The MediaBase airplay chart is the most commonly used for countdown shows in the US.

So when the albums drop this month maybe Carrie/Kelly/Daughtry’s numbers are the new standard that should be aimed for when comparing

i can go for that trina – what say ye, o fans of allen and lambert? these are the big dogs, and the guys, and allison, are playing in the big leagues now…

All adds prior to the add date get counted in the week the song is officially up for adds.

hmmmm. That might explain why Kris had so many adds his “first week of adds”. So, that HUGE number of adds was 3 weeks put together? No wonder.

So when the albums drop this month maybe Carrie/Kelly/Daughtry’s numbers are the new standard that should be aimed for when comparing?

Curious because I didn’t give a crap about Idol message boards last year. What standard were the Davids compared to? Carrie/Kelly/Daughtry or Jordin/Blake?? Or merely to each other? Can someone enlighten me?

And I believe that something that I wrote a couple of weeks ago got severely twisted around ‘” what I worte was that all of the Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 songs had over 5,000 spins. And that to be a hit [defined as Billboard Top 10] a song need more than 1,000 spins ‘” usually over 5,000 spins. It took about 4 hours for that to get twisted by some other commenters into a song with less that 5,000 spins is a ‘flop’ . Just to be clear:

I remember that. I was wondering where people were getting the “5,000 in three weeks” from. I figured it was a twist of some kind.

I wonder if you’ll get any replies to this post from those who were putting words in your mouth?

The comparisons the the Davids was mostly about measuring idol fanbases. Not about the totality of anyone’s careers. Kris and Adam haven’t been out long enough to talk about that. All that has been said is that the new guys don’t seem to have the starting fanbase of last year’s guys. Since no one’s career is determined by what happens the first 2 weeks, it really doesn’t matter. Its not a blood sport death match worthy issue, IMO.

No as far as singles… IMO, successful singles generally follow a pattern of steady adds and increasing spins, with a short lived stall or 2, on the march to its relatively high peak. But that’s only general. Some singles behave differently. So you can’t ever really call it on a song until its really done – that is, free falling off the chart. So far, Crush is clearly kicking everyone’s ass… lol… but either one of the current crop’s releases might suddenly catch fire and shoot up. It is relatively uncommon, but it happens. You never know. And if not this song, then maybe the next. In any case, I would be way more concerned about my favorite doing enough to keep their label happy than I would be about winning some theoretical comparisons to past and present Idol contestants. I can promise you their labels don’t give a crap about any of that.

Curious because I didn’t give a crap about Idol message boards last year. What standard were the Davids compared to? Carrie/Kelly/Daughtry or Jordin/Blake?? Or merely to each other? Can someone enlighten me?

Mostly each other. The comparisons between the two for the single and albums sales went on quite a while but eventually died down. But they definitely compared to others too and they still are. Till this day DC is knocked for not selling 5 million albums like Daughtry, last year when their first week numbers came out of course it was noted that they both sold more than Jordin being the previous winners. Blake’s numbers were so pathetic he wasn’t used for any standard.

i can go for that trina ‘“ what say ye, o fans of allen and lambert? these are the big dogs, and the guys, and allison, are playing in the big leagues now’ ¦

Well, we could compare the two Davids right now to Carrie/Kelly/Daughtry. Let’s make it current and compare the last couple of months.

I can’t remember. How did Clay and Ruben do with their 1st singles and albums?

You know, all I’m discerning from the numbers that are posted is that RCA is promoting Adam’s album right now and not his single. Whether it is a good strategy or not can be debated, but it seems pretty obvious that they chose to go this way deliberately otherwise we’d see Adam hawking the song on radio stations. He’s now getting ready to film the music video. They are going for the ‘package’  deal. AMA performance, interviews and live performances the week of the 23rd and somewhere in there the release of the music video. That all smacks of album and ‘Brand Lambert’  promo, not single promo.

Am I off base here?

I think that’s exactly right.

And they may be doing it because they realize that when you come out with something kind of new, going directly for singles radio play as your entrance into the market may not work so well — so you try to build popularity and buzz and sales for your performer in other ways, since when radio sees that he/she’s *popular* then they’re more like to play it.

Or, they may be doing it this way because that’s the way they roll, just generally, which it is — or at least much more than Jive, at any rate — because we’ve seen similar starts for other RCA artists.

I think so too, because he has not done anything to push FYE single. I think once the AMAs (praying he has a stellar performance) are over his promotion will be for the whole album.

But why not push for the single right now with some radio interviews, etc? Just curious.

Q3 So it sounds like radio adds are quite important as far as Billboard chart success. And the summary of all of this for Adam (and maybe Kradison) is that it’s just too early to call? They all still have time for radio adds, right? Future promotion will still increase those, right?

The AMAs had better be the performance of Adam’s life. I’m counting on it, myself.

But why not push for the single right now with some radio interviews, etc? Just curious.

Very few people know the answer to that question. Barry Weiss, Simon Fuller, a handful of lower tier execs, maybe Adam

The rest of us are going to have to wait until next year and answer that in retrospect.

I, personally, don’t give a rat’s ass about the numbers “game” for any singer. Numbers are nothing more than a parlor trick….they are used to prove a point and are used without benefit of underlying circumstances that “caused” the subsequent numbers. And, for the most part, they are usually taken out of context.

EVERY Idol comes into the “real world” with a complete different set of circumstances and influences. So many things come into play while they are attempting to make it in the music business. Some have gigornormous fan bases that are completely active 24/7, who span every on-line poll, vote a thousand times, buy multiple copies of singles and albums. Others have a fan base who follows them around from concert to concert, makes videos of every performance and makes sure they are available on every blog forum.

Some Idols move into a genre, like country, that has a significant impact on music sales and radio play. Some Idols don’t give a damn about being #1..they just want to make money and do their thing. Other Idols are “carbon copies” of what is currently popular and just ride the coat tails of established artists…they aren’t finding a “new” audience, just relying on the hard work that other’s have done before them.

For me it’s only about WHAT I ENJOY and what makes me happy. If my favorite makes it through this next year, tours, makes a second album, and shows up on my radar every now and again I’ll be happy. And whether they “upstage” any other Idol is neither here nor there. I want the “American Idol” title to die a very fast death. When it is no longer used in conjunction with my fav I will be a very happy camper indeed.

Q3 –

If I read you corectly, you are now saying that to be a hit, you have to make the Top 10 of the Billboard Hot 100 chart. That is an insanely high criteria for a hit. Many songs are big hits and don’t make the Top 10 of the BB Hot 100.

That chart favors songs that get played or urban and rythmic stations.
You can have a very big hit on Top 40 radio and not break into the BB Hot 100.

“It is almost impossible for a song to enter the Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 without significant airplay.:

Crush hit #2 last year based purely on sales. If you sell alot of singles it’s still possible.

For me it’s only about WHAT I ENJOY and what makes me happy. If my favorite makes it through this next year, tours, makes a second album, and shows up on my radar every now and again I’ll be happy. And whether they ‘upstage’  any other Idol is neither here nor there. I want the ‘American Idol’  title to die a very fast death. When it is no longer used in conjunction with my fav I will be a very happy camper indeed.

Agree with this completely. Well, almost completely, I’ll always associate American Idol with Adam and won’t mind it, because without it, I don’t think I would have ever known who he was. Not because I don’t think he’s talented enough to have made it otherwise, but because of various reasons, I don’t think record executives would have ever given him the chance if he didn’t already have the American Idol following. He always speaks highly of Idol and the opportunity it afforded him in allowing him the dream of making a record, so if I have to hear “American Idol” preceding his name for the foreseeable future, I’ll smile when I hear it.

Love the RS article where Adam says he thinks woman like him because he’s friendly. Oh, so adorable! Yes, Adam. Women are prone to toss undergarments and lust after friendly fellows. We’re just wired that way!

And it’s cool that Adam has the highest pre-sales numbers of any Idol, ever, at Amazon. Obviously, we don’t know what that will translate to in terms of actual sales. But, who cares? That’s a nice little cap to wear.

I can’t remember. How did Clay and Ruben do with their 1st singles and albums?

iTunes wasn’t a factor for single numbers back then and their coronation singles were sold via physical CD singles..not sure about Ruben’s coronation song but Clay’s This Is The Night/Bridge Over Troubled Water single sold 393,000 its first week.

First week numbers for their albums:

Clay – Measure of a Man – 612,859. Current sales to date are approx 2.7 million

Ruben – Soulful – 416,569. Current sales to date are approx. 1.8 million.

Ruben’s first album single, “Sorry 2004″ reached #9 on the BB Hot 100 and #2 on the R&B chart.

Clay’s “Invisible” reached #38 on the BB Hot 100 and #8 on the AC chart.

If I read you corectly, you are now saying that to be a hit, you have to make the Top 10 of the Billboard Hot 100 chart.

I read it to be an explanation of what it takes to be a top 10 hit. She did not say a song wasn’t a hit if it wasn’t in the top 10.

it’s only about WHAT I ENJOY and what makes me happy. If my favorite makes it through this next year, tours, makes a second album, and shows up on my radar every now and again I’ll be happy.

Sorry to say, but your fave will only have a second album, a tour, be invited to show up here and there if he/she has good numbers. I think it was Brandy who was dropped of her label right away after selling “ONLY” 300k copies, no? Something like that. Labels nowadays want profit. A lot of it and fast. That’s why everybody is worried about numbers. But if you are willing to travel the entire country to see your fave playing in a small bar somewhere… Good for you, I guess? But I’m sure he/she prefers to be successful, buy a nice house, have a real tour, etc.

If the BB Hot 100 is whack for not valuing sales, I’d say S8 fans should be grateful. So fall all the singles have done horribly using that criteria.

Here’s the current Top 10 by airplay

1. TAYLOR SWIFT – You Belong With Me = 107.407 (- 0.675)
2. LADY GAGA – Paparazzi = 103.552 (- 0.150)
3. JASON DERULO – Whatcha Say = 101.750 (- 0.102) â– ²
4. BEYONCE ‘“ Sweet Dreams = 101.557 (- 0.688) â– ¼
5. JAY-Z – Empire State Of Mind = 100.099 (+ 3.073)
6. JAY SEAN – Down f/ Lil Wayne = 95.767 (- 1.240)
7. JAY-Z/RIHANNA/KANYE WEST – Run This Town = 78.313 (- 3.281)
8. KINGS OF LEON – Use Somebody = 75.358 (- 0.657)
9. MILEY CYRUS – Party In The USA = 72.269 (- 0.838)
10. DRAKE KANYE LIL WAYNE EMINEM – Forever = 70.380 (+ 0.140)

Something like that. Labels nowadays want profit. A lot of it and fast.

I think that people need to look outside of the AI bubble and see the “real life” numbers of current famous artists for their first two or three albums. I think people will be very very shocked how few were really sold and how long it took many Artists to become “well known”. If people believe that you either sell a million out of the gate or you become history…they need to have another think. And pulling a single name out of a hat (and someone with a problematic back story) is another manipulation of the numbers racket. geesh!

No as far as singles’ ¦ IMO, successful singles generally follow a pattern of steady adds and increasing spins, with a short lived stall or 2, on the march to its relatively high peak. But that’s only general. Some singles behave differently. So you can’t ever really call it on a song until its really done ‘“ that is, free falling off the chart. So far, Crush is clearly kicking everyone’s ass’ ¦ lol’ ¦ but either one of the current crop’s releases might suddenly catch fire and shoot up. It is relatively uncommon, but it happens. You never know. And if not this song, then maybe the next. In any case, I would be way more concerned about my favorite doing enough to keep their label happy than I would be about winning some theoretical comparisons to past and present Idol contestants. I can promise you their labels don’t give a crap about any of that.

you rock tinawina…

I remember that. I was wondering where people were getting the ’5,000 in three weeks’  from. I figured it was a twist of some kind.

I wonder if you’ll get any replies to this post from those who were putting words in your mouth?

I guess that would be me.

Let’s go to the instant replay:

Q3: Monday Morning Mediabase Thread

LLWD spin numbers do not look that good. A hit would be getting at least 5,000 a week after 3 weeks.

Nobody objects to 5000 songs being a hit. I think the universal objection was to the having to get at least that in 3 weeks criteria.

Personally, I think it was our arguments that were twisted.