Adam Lambert’s Racy Details Magazine Interveiw and Photo Shoot

The Time for Miracles thread didn’t go poof. I unstickied it, so it’s no longer at the top of the page. It’s right beneath today’s Headlines thread.

You had me scurrred mj, 1400 posts later. *whew*

You picked the wet t-shirt Adam pic. That is my favorite. *swoonage*

Thanks for all of your Adam coverage. I mean…well, anyway, thanks. And hope your conference and perhaps relaxing? A tiny bit?

Moving from the headlines thread…

Okay, I’m one of those three-year-olds who have no / can’t do delayed gratification. I’m reading the transcript of the Details article ‘“ and once again ‘“ Adam is getting rid of any remaining skeletons in his closet. Let it be said that any future scandals will truly be future scandals since he’s virtually laid himself bare.

As for the shoot ‘“ They’re definitely marketing Adam as more than a gay entertainer. He can do hetero as good as any hetero guy.

Keep pushing those buttons, Adam. The best part of the article is that Simon Fuller approves of this f***ery, lol. Oh, and the comment from Greg Wells about him being a “gifted songwriter” was cool too.

Bringing my comment from the TfM thread:

I love the Details article by the way. People who didn’t like Adam on Idol aren’t likely to like Adam off the show, so appealing to non-Idol fans is a must (like most) and being unfamily friendly is the way to go with the crowd who is most likely to be into the music he wants to make and his performance style. I think it was a smart move, obviously done with Simon Fuller’s blessing because he was quoted in the article.

I was reading the new Chuck Klosterman book today and Adam had a brief mention with ABBA (basically talking about cred issues and exposure a la Eurovision, then saying Adam had encountered the same thing with American Idol). This is definitely a way to deal with some of the AI baggage which is off-putting to non-AI fans. Next would be good music. Fingers crossed.

Honestly, I’m not surprised by this as I figured Adam’s style leaned more towards Adult and less Family Fun Time, but I’m quite pleased that 19E seems to be allowing this sort of marketing. I like uncensored Adam, even if it is calculated.

another picture of Adam —- must sleep now

http://gossipcandy.com/2009/10/while-we-wait-for-naked-pictures/#comments

The funny thing is, as a straight female who find Adam extremely sexy, I think it would be hotter to see him with another guy than with a girl–I dunno, maybe it’s a generational thing, a lot of girls my age whom I know really prefer guy-on-guy to guy-on-girl.

But that is nitpicking–these pictures are gorgeous, Adam looks gorgeous, and the interview is definitely interesting.

Adam amazes me daily!
Photos r breathless, he`s confident, brilliant & hot

I like uncensored Adam, even if it is calculated.

If it’s calculated, it’s very unbecoming…..the perception will be of selling out.

NPH does a great job of playing a hetero guy without having to spill his ugly past more than once to a national magazine. TMI Adam.

I am trying to read the article, but the font is too small… Well, I will just need to buy the magazine then (IF I CAN FIND IT IN BOSTON…you can pre-order from some B&N’s, so I’ll go there tomorrow).

Since the pictures will make more sense in context, and b/c I am waaay too tired to post anymore, I will just say goodnight. Yep, its a TIME FOR MIRACLES (still not available on iTunes US, BTW, figures). Laterz.

A great article, a great photo spread. A brilliant PR and marketing campaign.

Fantastic job 19R. Kudos Adam.

I think this Details spread is brilliant marketing.

Being in a straight male magazine will get Adam some additional fans.

The nude woman is for the fantasies of women as much as the men. How many women will picture themselves in those positions w/Adam?

When Adam talks about being gay in the article he is being true to himself and the gays.

Bases covered!

You picked the wet t-shirt Adam pic. That is my favorite.

Mine too. He looks so handsome in that picture!

NPH does a great job of playing a hetero guy without having to spill his ugly past more than once to a national magazine

What ugly past?

Oh please! This is a serious artist? Looks like selling out to me.

When Adam talks about being gay in the article he is being true to himself and the gays.

I think the pictures override that. He also talks of the woman in the meet and greet coming on to him and liking it. Wouldn’t you say if he was being totally true to the gays, he wouldn’t have done this spread? Seeing these pictures and hearing once again how interested he would be in making out with women, makes me wonder if he’s questioning being totally gay. I’m still not convinced he is and that he isn’t bi.

The nude woman is for the fantasies of women as much as the men. How many women will picture themselves in those positions w/Adam?

You don’t market to straight males by posing in sexually explicit photos with women.

I think the pictures override that. He also talks of the woman in the meet and greet coming on to him and liking it. Wouldn’t you say if he was being totally true to the gays, he wouldn’t have done this spread? Seeing these pictures and hearing once again how interested he would be in making out with women, makes me wonder if he’s questioning being totally gay. I’m still not convinced he is and that he isn’t bi.

He’s just pandering to his female fans. It’s funny though.. because he doesn’t need to pander… most adam fans love mostly everything he does anyway.

mostly.

You don’t market to straight males by posing in sexually explicit photos with women.

You don’t? What do you pose with? A TV remote and a beer?

makes me wonder if he’s questioning being totally gay. I’m still not convinced he is and that he isn’t bi.

I don’t think it’s anything more than bi-curious.

Adam is so cool. In that he’s honest. And daring. And just sooo….

The funny thing is, as a straight female who find Adam extremely sexy, I think it would be hotter to see him with another guy than with a girl’“I dunno, maybe it’s a generational thing, a lot of girls my age whom I know really prefer guy-on-guy to guy-on-girl.

Definitely a generational thing, and certainly still a minority thing even in younger generations, I would venture to say. Certainly no where near where guys like seeing two girls together as being considered hot. And also women being gay is much more accepted in images than men being gay is accepted in images. Some day? maybe, but right now? not even close to any parts of that.

NPH does a great job of playing a hetero guy without having to spill his ugly past more than once to a national magazine. TMI Adam.

I don’t see how NPH playing straight has anything with this. They’re different people and NPH isn’t Adam and what shaped NPH isn’t Adam’s journey or personality.

The article is about Adam’s personal journey where he is now, about the struggles he had to become an idol (big and small “I”) and that includes some bad patches in his life. Struggling with his self-image, his lonliness, of not being fulfilled in his life and going on a downward spiral, to realizing that he needed to get his own damn self out of feeling unfulfilled and instead to reach for stuff and stop being afraid and self-destructive. And ultimately the journey took him to the good and crazy place he is with Idol. Adam was talking about what made him to who he is, to a person because that’s important to him for people to know. I happen to agree and like him more for it. But I get others not liking some of what he says, but I still wouldn’t call the sharing of it TMI. Obviously MMV.

Wouldn’t you say if he was being totally true to the gays, he wouldn’t have done this spread?

Of course not. Did Sean Penn go against straight men by playing Harvey Milk in a movie? Does Neil Patrick Harris “sell out” to other gay men because he plays a straight player in a sitcom? It shouldn’t matter what a person’s sexuality is in real life.

As far as liking to kiss women, I feel there is a gender double standard. No one said Britney and Madonna were confused when they made out on the MTV awards or whatever that award show was. People cheered. Its ok for women to “experiment” with each other.. it sexy and a fantasy for most straight men, but when a gay men finds women attractive or whatever he’s confused.

I don’t think Adam wants to be seen or placed in a specific box. He’s gay yes, but he can appreciate the beauty of women. An attractive person is an attractive person period.

For me this is odd. I like Adam as is and I wish he would just project who he is. I’m not getting much all this. Just a publicity stint?
I remember Adam saying that he does not dislike controversy .. well, one more chapter…

OMG Adam!!! The photoshoot is amazing
you are one sexy man!!

I love how he’s completely breaking down any boundaries being put on him. People are trying to put him in a box and that’s not who adam is.

Adam is and will always be completely true to himself.
he can pose with whoever the hell he wants!!!

Adam is a true artist and chameleon and i love him for that!!!

MJ, just FYI — you have “racey” in your headline (spelled correctly in the text, tho) . . . and there is also a photo of Adam on the Details cover — not sure where you’d find it, but someone had it in the TFM thread — about 1399 posts or so ago.)

You don’t market to straight males by posing in sexually explicit photos with women.

With every straight guy I know, that’s pretty much all it takes. I mean they won’t be looking at Adam, but they will be looking at the pictures. I mean dude, it’s a hot naked chick, of course they like it. As I said before, there is a multi-billion dollar a year industry predicated on men liking pictures of hot naked chicks being sexually explicit.

Definitely a generational thing, and certainly still a minority thing even in younger generations, I would venture to say. Certainly no where near where guys like seeing two girls together as being considered hot. And also women being gay is much more accepted in images than men being gay is accepted in images. Some day? maybe, but right now? not even close to any parts of that.

Very, very, very true. The double standards between the acceptance of gay men and lesbians is very strong.

You don’t? What do you pose with? A TV remote and a beer?

lulz. I can’t even imagine Adam that way. Does not compute.

I love these pictures. I think he looks like a model. The white tee picture is practically iconic, IMO.

clearone
October 18, 2009 at 12:44 am
When Adam talks about being gay in the article he is being true to himself and the gays.

I think the pictures override that. He also talks of the woman in the meet and greet coming on to him and liking it. Wouldn’t you say if he was being totally true to the gays, he wouldn’t have done this spread? Seeing these pictures and hearing once again how interested he would be in making out with women, makes me wonder if he’s questioning being totally gay. I’m still not convinced he is and that he isn’t bi.

Ah, clearone, I understand what you’re saying but i have to disagree.
Adam doesn’t have to be loyal to the gays.. he IS gay.
But he has always said he finds women attractive and sexy– he just doesn’t have sex with them.
He has always said he likes to try new things, take risks… and he could even experiment in the future with women..that doesn’t make him less gay.. it makes him curious. It makes him sensual.

Many, many people explore various sides of their sexual curiosity without “crossing over” to the other side. It’s human.

A great article, a great photo spread. A brilliant PR and marketing campaign.

I think it will backfire in their faces!

Great article, beautiful cover and interesting (and sexy) photo essay in a magazine that targets adults 18 to 35 years old. I didn’t see anything offensive there —

I guess that because I’m from that very liberal part of the country — Mississippi? LOL!

ETA: What does being gay have to do with being photographed wih a woman?

I like the tongue touch photo the most. I can look at it for hours…

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He’s just pandering to his female fans. It’s funny though.. because he doesn’t need to pander

Ohhhhh….. he can keep pandering to his heart’s content, thank you very much!

Oh yeah. I love these pics! They’re sexy, and artisticly done. I love black and white photos.

I really don’t see where the controversy is though. I’ve seen racier stuff on perfume bottles, Victoria secret ads, TV commercials, Vogue magazine, etc. And that is before we get to Maxim and other men magazines.

The print is too small for me to read but from what I gather from others who have read it, Adam hasn’t said anything we didn’t already know. He’s just telling a new audience.

With every straight guy I know, that’s pretty much all it takes. I mean they won’t be looking at Adam, but they will be looking at the pictures. I mean dude, it’s a hot naked chick, of course they like it. As I said before, there is a multi-billion dollar a year industry predicated on men liking pictures of hot naked chicks.

That’s what I mean: the guy is gonna be focusing on the girl….not Adam. My previous post was referencing the suggesting that this spread is somehow going to attract male fans.

I’m a straight guy and the only thing a guy is gonna notice is why Adam is covering up the model. lol

I don’t know how this is supposed to get him more fans outside of the idol bubble unless he is looking to garner the porn star fans

You don’t market to straight males by posing in sexually explicit photos with women.

The Details photos are really HOT!!! As a hetero male I just love em. Not because of the nekked women but because it’s a total celebration of our sexuality as human beings. Wouldn’t we all want to enjoy the abandon being pictured in that spread? Does Adam have to be all gay or all straight? Just maybe he is more curious than he makes out (bit of a pun )to be. Gosh I sure hope he doesn’t pidgeon hole us fans like that.

. . . and there is also a photo of Adam on the Details cover ‘” not sure where you’d find it, but someone had it in the TFM thread ‘” about 1399 posts or so ago.)

Here’s the cover.

http://i36.tinypic.com/wwl07n.jpg

This is a repost from ONTD_AI, but I’ll just add my thoughts here, as well:

I’ve thought about this a lot and I genuinely think that he knows exactly what he’s doing here. Other people have said it better, but I mean, the article is about how even as a gay man, he’s incredibly attractive to women, and I think the pictures are playing off that idea — the woman is looking right at the camera, especially in the last two, with a like, creepy/possessive look, and he’s got his eyes closed.

I think it’s about women appropriating him as their sex symbol, and he’s like, “cool, I’ll go along with that but remember that it’s your fantasy, not mine.” He’s clearly having his own, entirely different fantasy.

Ultimately, I think if you look at the woman as the subject of this photoshoot, the point kind of becomes clear.

This is totally tl;dr, but I think the whole thing is totally fascinating and I couldn’t help myself.

Thank you so much for posting the photos mj, I think they are amazing and I love that you can always get the unexpected from Adam. Going to look at them now and to re-listen to TFM.
By the way, being open has worked for Adam so far, so sharing some of the sadder parts of his life (given that he has overcome them) can serve as an inspiration. Look at any supermarket magazine to see how many actors/singers/celebrities (not to mention the general population) have drug and or alcohol or prescription issues. It’s common, and overcoming that by taking responsibility is a very positive thing.

Loved the article, and loved the photos. The photos are appropriate because the article was about Adam’s relationship with his straight female fans. So instead of the magazine going the way of “Let’s be provocative and edgy and picture Adam kissing a boy!”, the photoshoot being about the magazine, the shoot was about servicing the reader, being it women or straight men.

The pictures relate very straight-forwardly with the article’s message that it’s perfectly okay for a straight woman to have an unrealistic fantasy of being with Adam because the fan fantasy is always unrealistic to begin with.

Also, personally I see it interesting that Adam has his eyes closed on the pictures and its the woman who looks at the camera. Like, it’s the woman that’s being photographed and Adam is the servicing prop. That’s another nod towards the fantasy issue. Now, if only the woman would have been fully clothed and Adam scantily clad…

Sexuality so so fluid. Why do you think Kinsey’s scale had six points on it? While I think Adam is proably a 5 1/2 on the Kinsey scale he is not afraid of exploring all sides of his sexuality and jumping in with both feet.

He has said in interviews that he never saw himself as someone women would be throwing their panties to but he has embraced that side of his appeal and has made it fun for his fans instead of making it seem like unwelcome attention.

He could easily have put an end to it by asking his fans to appreciate his music and not put so much emphasis on the sexual side of things. We would do it because we listen closely to everything he says. I love that he is embracing the sexual ambiguity that allows a gay man to appeal sexually to straight and bi-sexual women. Its just so much fun.

That’s what I mean: the guy is gonna be focusing on the girl’ ¦.not Adam. My previous post was referencing the suggesting that this spread is somehow going to attract male fans.

Hot chicks sell products. Adam is a product being marketed.

I love the pictures, and I see Adam showing yet another side of himself. The guy has many facets, and he is open and honest about who he is. He doesn’t want to be categorized or limited by anyone- straight, gay, bi, whatever.
I don’t see this as a publicity stunt, but rather a way to keep people guessing (and yes, talking) about him. He is damn smart about marketing himself, and that’s exactly what it takes to expand his fanbase beyond those who knew him on AI.
AI only allowed him to show a certain side, and now that he’s on his own, we get to see him in all his complexity. It won’t be for everyone, for sure, but being an Adam fan will never get boring, I guarantee you that.
Those who are appalled, may as well walk away now.

You don’t market to straight males by posing in sexually explicit photos with women.

That’s right. Clearly Adam should market to straight males by posing in sexually explicit photos with men.

googletot
October 18, 2009 at 12:54 am
A great article, a great photo spread. A brilliant PR and marketing campaign.

I think it will backfire in their faces!

And I’m willing to bet that it will not, but in fact payoff royally.

These are artistic photos intended to project Adam’s intense sexuality. Clearly Adam has a huge block of female fans who are relating to that sexuality. You don’t have to crawl into bed with the artist or even fantasize about an artist to feel that intensity. It’s coming from Adam, not from inside the heads of his fans. A gay actor doesn’t sell out when he does a movie playing a heterosexual male involved in a relationship with a woman, so why would a few art photos be considered selling out? And I really wish people would stop with the scrutiny and accusations that Adam just isn’t gay enough. It is as bad as comments about heterosexuals being a little gay.

That’s what I mean: the guy is gonna be focusing on the girl’ ¦.not Adam. My previous post was referencing the suggesting that this spread is somehow going to attract male fans.

Well I don’t know if it will get him fans, but I don’t think it will turn off straight guys to see a hot naked chick, oh and that guy with her. After a while they might decide to read the article, ya know, they get it for the articles, and maybe they’ll be more intrigued or like Adam more. Who knows? But I maintain that being sexual with a hot naked chick IS a good way to get at least the attention of most straight men I know. Maybe he won’t keep it, but it is a good visual hook for straight guys.

It’s common, and overcoming that by taking responsibility is a very positive thing.

Yes it is but while he’s being so honest I’d love to hear him say that drugs are definitely a thing of the past. I have not heard that said definitively. The drug thing really scares me more than anything.

I am grinning from ear to ear. Not just because I love the photos ( which I do) but because I read the comments in the other thread before seeing the photos and thought Adam had done something really OTT. Instead I find very artistic , intriguing photos. Great marketing job.

(And if it makes some of you feel any better – the model was in a body suit – at least from the waist down. Either that or she has a birthmark shaped like a perfectly curved pantyline on her thigh. The suit may have been airbrushed out.)

As for selling out about being gay, many of my gay male friends cuddle with women, pinch them on the butt, look at or touch their breasts at times. But no, that doesn’t have any effect on whom they are attracted to.

Also, personally I see it interesting that Adam has his eyes closed on the pictures and its the woman who looks at the camera. Like, it’s the woman that’s being photographed and Adam is the servicing prop.

emmuzka-I also found this interesting but your explanation makes sense because I thought it was deliberate. I also noticed Adam’s polish is chipped and wondered about that. I think this was deliberate also but I can’t figure out the significance.

Thanks for setting up the thread, MJ. I don’t know if you’re still up, but you should edit the post to add the cover, too.

I also noticed Adam’s polish is chipped and wondered about that. I think this was deliberate also but I can’t figure out the significance.

Well Adam has said he chips at his nail polish when he’s nervous…
But, actually to me it shows his vulnerability for some reason. I find it very endearing.

That’s right. Clearly Adam should market to straight males by posing in sexually explicit photos with men.

Straight men don’t look at the OTHER MEN in these kinds of photos. This is not going to attract male fans.

That’s what I mean: the guy is gonna be focusing on the girl’ ¦.not Adam. My previous post was referencing the suggesting that this spread is somehow going to attract male fans.

You may be missing the point. The fact that Adam, a hot gay man, is featured in a magazine targeting straight male fashion conscious men IS the message and the selling point for Adam.

Men will look at the girl but they will be very aware that the sexy dude with her is Adam.. and they will know that the same women they find so attractive are also attracted to adam.

It’s about acceptance and the “cool” factor more than anything else.

That’s right. Clearly Adam should market to straight males by posing in sexually explicit photos with men.

Straight men don’t look at the OTHER MEN in these kinds of photos.

Straight men are so one track minded that when a page has a naked girl on it, they can’t see anything besides aforementioned naked girl.

After catching an eyeful of said naked girl, they become too dazed and enraptured to even try looking at anything else on the page, and put down the magazine immediately while they recover.

Yes. I see your point.

Last post, I promise!

On cover of latest Rolling Stone:

The Awesome Gayness of Glee/Jack Jackson (lol)

COVER: Madonna

Discuss. Nighty night.

The article is actually very interesting — and related to the photos. Alexei Hay did a spectacular job on these photo — some of the best Adam photos so far.

ETA: I think the chipped nail polish was left to show he was “real” — not a model. Look at some of Alexei Hay’s other work and you will see that he does similar things to separate people from “models”.

Straight men don’t look at the OTHER MEN in these kinds of photos.

Sure we do Tony. Not in a sexual way per sey, but who is this guy and what is he doin that maybe I should learn. After all he’s the one with the totally HOT chick right?

I think the chipped fingernail polish adds to the artistic quality of the pics. It adds to the edgy, less polished look to Adam in the pics.

He is not wearing a lot of makeup or eyeliner either and his earrings are not as big as the ones he usually wears. I think all of that stuff was decided deliberately as part of the artistic design of the pics.

Looks like Adam is taking the strategy of Maddona, Britney, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry…the shock-and-awe strategy. In the long run, it’ll all come down to the music per se.It’s just sad that nowadays, pop music is not just about the music–it’s about the hype as well.Que sera sera, I guess. Altho at least Adam’s not like naked himself–maybe he’ll reserve that for later, he can’t go all out in one go otherwise, he may run out of gimmicks to promote his music.

But on a marketing point of view, very “wise” for him and people who handle him –the more buzz, the more sales….hooray for pop culture.

the guy is gonna be focusing on the girl’ ¦.not Adam. My previous post was referencing the suggesting that this spread is somehow going to attract male fans.

I’m a straight guy and the only thing a guy is gonna notice is why Adam is covering up the model.

I’m a straight woman and I’m also looking at the woman because sexy is sexy.

I’m not suggesting that Tony here would be noticing Adam, too, but these pictures are clearly machined to allow straight men to just go there and try, for a change, to look at a male figure and find it sexy.

If it’s calculated, it’s very unbecoming’ ¦..the perception will be of selling out.

This is exactly who Adam is/was before Idol. There are lots of photos of him kissing and “handling” women, not to mention all the videos from Zodiac of the women in his acts all over him. He likes to make sex fun and it’s always who he’s been. Well, at least since his early 20s anyway.

The photos, in the context of the article, completely make sense. Particularly, if anyone is questioning him “selling out” his being gay. He’s not.

It’s just sad that nowadays, pop music is not just about the music’“it’s about the hype as well.

Nowadays? I’m pretty sure it’s been that way for quite a while. MJ, Madonna et al were definitely about the hype.

Straight men are so one track minded that when a page has a naked girl on it, they can’t see anything besides aforementioned naked girl.

After catching an eyeful of said naked girl, they become too dazed and enraptured to even try looking at anything else on the page, and put down the magazine immediately while they recover.

You can’t force straight guys to fall in love with Adam.

Sure we do Tony. Not in a sexual way per sey, but who is this guy and what is he doin that maybe I should learn. After all he’s the one with the totally HOT chick right?

Well yes we LOOK. But the last thing I’m worrying about is the guy or what he’s doing with the girl.

Hotchacha! That last photo is a pip and a half. Think Adam studied Madonna much? Lord ha’ mercy and pass me another Mojito!

Life in the fast lane – surely make you lose your mind.

That’s what I mean: the guy is gonna be focusing on the girl’ ¦.not Adam. My previous post was referencing the suggesting that this spread is somehow going to attract male fans.

Most men admire a man who has a beautiful girl on his arm. Sure straight men will look at the girl but they will always remember that it was Adam who had his hand on her nipple.
The take away impression, is that Adam is cool. Not so different. It’ll be subconscious but it will be there.
Also, these are the kinds of pictures men, especially younger men, won’t forget in a hurry. Not least because Adam tells them he’s gay while right on the opposite page he has one hand one girl’s ass and the other on her breast. When his CD comes out and they hear his name, all these impressions will come flooding back, and the album will suddenly look interesting, maybe even worth a listen.
These very men, especially the younger set, will be more likely to take a cyber stroll down to youtube to sample a song. At the very least, far more likely than for an album by some guy liner wearing, karaoke singing, american Idol wannabe.

As for the attraction for women in this article?? Well, let me count the ways.

Details is a fashion and lifestyle magazine that targets young, fashion-conscious men. The readers are mostly high-income, educated, sophisticated, urban professionals — not the kind of people likely to have a narrow view of sex-role stereotypes.

Plus, Adam looks great —

So if some straight men don’t find it interesting or appealing — then they won’t buy the mag. And, my guess is that the editors of Details, know what appeals to their subscribers.

Well, naturally, I posted this about a minute before the “38-Second Magazine” thread was put up so before it disappears amongst the other 1,456, I’m bringing it over here. (Point being: It’s the whole package, not just the package . . .)

The amazing thing about Adam (yeah, like there’s only one!) is that he’s lust-plus: I definitely thot the crotch grabbing/hefting/enhancing in the (above-referenced) video was hot, but I thot the finger wagging was just as sexy! And as hot as the photos were of him with the actual girl, that first one of him alone in the t-shirt was one of the sexiest ever . . . and I’m not even in the ‘Elvis Hair’  camp! (Oh, yeah ‘” and did I hear something about him being able to sing, too?)

jga94
October 18, 2009 at 1:15 am
Looks like Adam is taking the strategy of Maddona, Britney, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry’ ¦the shock-and-awe strategy. In the long run, it’ll all come down to the music per se.It’s just sad that nowadays, pop music is not just about the music’“it’s about the hype as well.Que sera sera, I guess. Altho at least Adam’s not like naked himself’“maybe he’ll reserve that for later, he can’t go all out in one go otherwise, he may run out of gimmicks to promote his music.

But on a marketing point of view, very ‘wise’  for him and people who handle him ‘“the more buzz, the more sales’ ¦.hooray for pop culture.

The good thing for Adam is that he has that VOICE, so all the ‘gimmicks’ are an add-on to it, and when he runs out of them he’ll still have that incredible gift to fall back on…

It’s just sad that nowadays, pop music is not just about the music’“it’s about the hype as well.

POP music is a part of POP culture and POP is short for POPular. I’m pretty old and I can’t remember sex not being POPular. All through history we have been using Hype and sex cause it sells

(And if it makes some of you feel any better ‘“ the model was in a body suit ‘“ at least from the waist down. Either that or she has a birthmark shaped like a perfectly curved pantyline on her thigh. The suit may have been airbrushed out.)

If you all saw the 8 second ET video about this photoshoot, the model was in a black bikinis. The photographer made it disappeared in photoshop.

So.. relax already.. like Adam said, It Ain’t that Deep.. it’s an art work.

You can’t force straight guys to fall in love with Adam.

You can’t force anyone to fall in love with anyone.

But not all men are the same. There will be some who will do what I described in my previous post… look at the girl and be oblivious to all else. Perhaps you are one of them But I suspect that most will pay more attention to the article and to Adam than they otherwise would have if Adam were posed simply by himself. And the subconscious message will be that Adam is attractive to women, and therefore someone that is worth paying attention to or emulating.

ETA: Truthiness said it better, just below my comment.

ETA2: Damn. RemusL also said it better. I should just stop talking about this subject.

Straight men don’t look at the OTHER MEN in these kinds of photos. This is not going to attract male fans

No, but the hot naked chick will cause them to look at the picture at all. It’s a hook, maybe they’ll eventually read the stuff that goes with it. At the least they have an image of the guy the article is about, with someone attractive. Sure they might be mostly ignoring the guy, or putting themselves where the guy is, but they will still associate guy with hot naked chick in sexually provocative poses and that’s usually a good thing for guys. I would like to paraphrase Veronica Mars here, “high fives and ass slaps for looking like you could bang the hot chick.”

You can’t force straight guys to fall in love with Adam.

No. But marketing can make them think they want to checkout his music. His vocals are what will force them to fall in love him.

Definitely a generational thing, and certainly still a minority thing even in younger generations, I would venture to say.

Probably. Although it seems pretty common among girls my age (I’m in college). Granted, I went to a liberal high school in Los Angeles, and now I got an extremely liberal college. So, perhaps people’s attitudes towards sexuality there, or towards what’s sexy or not, are a lot more free-wheeling, as much or more as it being a generational thing.

Which may also explain this:

makes me wonder if he’s questioning being totally gay. I’m still not convinced he is and that he isn’t bi.

This may also be a generational thing, but about 50% of the openly gay guys I knew in high school, and about 70% of the openly gay guys I know now in college, would occasionally make out with girls or do other things with girls and enjoy it. They just viewed it as sensual, as a “girls are pretty” thing. But they are definitely, completely, totally, unbelievably gay. It’s just about sensuality, about unlimited sexuality. Some very very straight girls I know occasionally enjoy making out with another girl, especially when drunk. If drunk and playing some sort of truth or dare game or whatever, I have some straight guy friends who will occasionally make out with another guy. Again, maybe this is a generational thing, but there’s a fairly big belief in sexual freedom, in

It’s difficult to discern the line between hetero-normative advertising and the very cool realization and emphasis that a very openly gay guy can be hugely attractive to women. But apart from anyone not liking these photos or the interview, etc.–which is perfectly valid, for a number of reasons–I would kind of hesitate to put anyone in a box saying that if you’re gay, you must only be attracted to/make out with people of your own gender, ever, and if you’re straight, it most only ever be the opposite gender. I do think sexuality is more fluid than that.

That’s what I mean: the guy is gonna be focusing on the girl’ ¦.not Adam. My previous post was referencing the suggesting that this spread is somehow going to attract male fans.

I’m a straight guy and the only thing a guy is gonna notice is why Adam is covering up the model. lol

Dude, seriously, have you ever been to car shows, computer trade shows, sci-fi/fantasy conventions or comic-cons? The attendees are predominantly male but the organizers hire a ton of beautiful female models to stand around the exhibits. Why do you think they do that? Could it be that while the guys are appreciating the scenery, they’re still able to check out and buy merchandise that they like?

I think this is a brilliant photo shoot, and not just because its hotter than hades. I think it encapsulates a lot of what is groundbreaking and exciting about Adam. He doesn’t mind embracing some stereotypes and claiming them for his own: the glitter, the flamboyance, Cher. And at the same time, he totally cuts through them. He’s doesn’t fit into any of the gay molds that have been deemed acceptable in American popular culture: he’s not the total queen (eg Jack, from Will and Grace–he’s not even Will for that matter: finicky, bland). He’s not the safe, asexual loveable guy (I’ll give Clay Aiken as an example, although I’m happy to be corrected on this, as I never really watched Idol before this year and don’t know much about Clay) who is a “non-threatening” gay because you don’t have to think about him in sexual terms. But he’s also not butch, and “straight acting”–his sexiness, despite the effectiveness of these pictures, is very much wrapped up in the fact that he’s gay, and that he’s totally comfortable and open in his gayness. What makes Adam so sexy, and so groundbreaking, as that he really does avoid these boxes, and thinks of sexuality as something fluid even if his gayness is not fluid. Sexiness is about a lot more than whom you bonk. I can’t think of another figure like him–certainly not another male figure. Madonna may be close.

Also, of course Adam isn’t denying anything, or betraying anything, with these photos. As someone (sorry, can’t remember who) pointed out above, they’re more about the woman’s fantasy, given the context of the article, than his. Part of what’s great about the shoot is that it embraces the fact that it’s totally understandable for women to fantasize about a gay man, and if you have read any of the “eww, he’s gross” comments that unfortunately pollute the bottom of any internet post about Adam, you’ll know that’s no small thing. If anything, he’s breaking all kinds of restrictive boundaries (cue horrible music) for gays, whether he means to or not. And its not like Adam thinks the idea of kissing women is gross! I’m a totally straight woman, and I don’t think the idea of kissing women is gross, and I haven’t had the idea that its the socially acceptable norm for me drilled into me from birth. I bet Adam had a blast doing this shoot.

Agree this is great marketing; also it’s in touch with Adam’s point about sexual attraction being universal.
What more will it take to convince Hollywood casting directors to stop wringing their hands about hiring gay men for leading roles.
LA Weekly has a recent article about homophobia in the entertainment industry and how gay males are closeted out of fear. So hypocritical in light of the entertainment industry being supposedly progressive on gay rights issues.

http://www.laweekly.com/2009-10-08/news/the-secret-lives-of-queer-leading-men/

There is nothing else to say about the photos – it speaks volumes for itself. Even those who are jarred by it, well they got that reaction because they looked at the photos and probably more than just a cursory glance. So the photos has done its deed -RCA and 19M together with Adam threw out a curve ball , and we thought all has been said during the Rolling Stone article.What’s next to his confirming he is gay ? He surely did not go into retirement.

But what got my attention is this:
‘When the season ended he was awarded a six-figure recording contract with 19 Entertainment the company that owns Idol and puts out the albums of its headliners. ”
I hope the six-figure contract is only the signing bonus and he gets a solid percentage of all sales due his name.

With all this tantalizing publicity, it looks like we might get his single next week as well and it will probably be another curve ball of a music.

I think it will backfire in their faces!

And I’m willing to bet that it will not, but in fact payoff royally.

I’m with you, Sunn. This sort of fear that Adam’s risk-taking will backfire is what we’ve heard over and over (remember the discussions of the RS cover and article?) and each time Adam has emerged not only unscathed but even better for it. I suspect the same will be true here. Brilliant, thought-provoking, fascinating, mesmerizing stuff. Bring it on, BB.

NPH does a great job of playing a hetero guy without having to spill his ugly past more than once to a national magazine

What ugly past?

I wondered about the ugly past part, too. Where is the ugliness? He’s a single male in his 20s, not a fricking priest. I was pretty wild in my 20s, settled into family and career in mid-30s and now in my early EARLY 50s I’m practically Mother Teresa (OK, might have exaggerated that one). What I’m trying to say is, those days of confusion and excess were not ugly, and I have no shame in them. Why should Adam?

The photos are molten hot and the article is candid, courageous Adam as usual. And btw, I think the experts at Detail may know a little something about marketing to their target demographic. These things really don’t happen by accident, you know.

And I love how people act like these photos were Adam’s idea. The theme is conceived of by an art director who will choose a photographer and they will further collaborate on a look and vision. This must be agreed upon by additional editors, the publisher and any other design personnel. With a celebrity, they’ll usually give a general outline of what they’re thinking and the celeb’s reps might make some requests, but as a matter of professional courtesy – and so not to garner a reputation as a prima donna – most are going to go along with the photographer and art director’s vision.

Adam seems to have tremendous respect for those he works with and is willing to try anything (see MM photos). He puts himself in their hands and by several accounts, he is a dream to work with for that very reason. He not only respects their vision, but he busts his ass to give them what they want.

He and his reps and 19 and Details all knew what they were after with this and I predict it will be as successful as the RS cover.

Clearone
The scary drug thing
An interview with Leila Lambert by San Diego print media around the time of the AI tour dates in SD quoted her saying Adam told her “I didn’t say I use drugs, I said I used drugs.” The context was she objected to him being so open in RS about drug use because it could have a negative influence on young people.

You can’t force straight guys to fall in love with Adam.

You sure can’t. But, it is interesting that straight guys would want to spend all day and into the night posting how they “don’t get” the gay guy. If they don’t really care, why the interest?

Dude, seriously, have you ever been to car shows, computer trade shows, sci-fi/fantasy conventions or comic-cons?

Girls market “manly” products….not other men.

I’m not going to go out and rent a gay porno just because a chick advertises it on TV. lol It doesn’t work like that.

Yes it is but while he’s being so honest I’d love to hear him say that drugs are definitely a thing of the past. I have not heard that said definitively. The drug thing really scares me more than anything.

Adam has said in an interview that the drugs were in the past.

And btw, I think the experts at Detail may know a little something about marketing to their target demographic. These things really don’t happen by accident, you know.

ITA — editors have a very good sense of what subscribers what and most of the circ for Details is to subscribers.

He and his reps and 19 and Details all knew what they were after with this and I predict it will be as successful as the RS cover.

I think it will get a lot of press coverage — almost as much as RS.

about 50% of the openly gay guys I knew in high school, and about 70% of the openly gay guys I know now in college, would occasionally make out with girls or do other things with girls and enjoy it. They just viewed it as sensual, as a ‘girls are pretty’  thing. But they are definitely, completely, totally, unbelievably gay. It’s just about sensuality, about unlimited sexuality.

Same. Well, maybe a little less than 70% and 50%, but the same idea. Experimentation and open sexuality are not things Adam invented, they’re the culture. It’s not going to shock people to death. But, I live in a pretty liberal place too.

I love the idea of a precious poster that the photo shoot is more about the model’s fantasies than Adam, that’s why she is looking at the camera confidently and he has his eyes closed, makes perfect sense to me in light of the attraction Adam elicits in women. I think it’s very sensual and I LOVE that it’s in black and white. Also, I think isisdagmar is right, Adam is young and although gay, seems to personify the more fluid concept of sexuality that’s more common among those in their teens and 20′s.

You can’t force straight guys to fall in love with Adam.

You sure can’t. But, it is interesting that straight guys would want to spend all day and into the night posting how they ‘don’t get’  the gay guy. If they don’t really care, why the interest?

Yes, it is interesting. LOL

Sweet Jesus. He won the nobel, right?

Tony
October 18, 2009 at 1:34 am
Dude, seriously, have you ever been to car shows, computer trade shows, sci-fi/fantasy conventions or comic-cons?

Girls market ‘manly’  products’ ¦.not other men.

LOL. Marketing psychology is tailored to the consumer never the product. Marketing 101.

Girls market ‘manly’  products’ ¦.not other men.

I’m not going to go out and rent a gay porno just because a chick advertises it on TV. lol It doesn’t work like that.

Well, if it’s other men’s music, it’s still marketable to men. I’m pretty sure men listen to men sing. Adam is being marketed in Details as an artist/pop star (not saying he is a star, but his personality/mystique is being marketed with the package), not as someone to win a date with (although you can apparently win a photo shoot with him, if you’re so inclined).

Unless men’s music is now like gay porn. Hmm.

FYI, the magazine is running a contest where you can win a photo shoot with Adam. Have to be 18 and a US citizen to be eligible. Contest begins October 20th and there will be details on how to enter on their website (details.com). Hopefully it won’t be one of Adam’s more cray-cray (crazy) fans that ends up winning this!

Oh, and I think the theme they were kind of going for was a wink to the straight men – “Yes, I can totally have all the women I could possibly want, but I don’t want any of them.”

LOL. Marketing psychology depends on the buyer never the product. Marketing 101.

I can’t think of any instances in which women are specifically marketing men (and whatever he has to offer — music, athletics, etc.) to other men. It’s always a product…never another man. Could you offer any instances because I’ll gladly admit when I’m wrong.

FYI, the magazine is running a contest where you can win a photo shoot with Adam. Have to be 18 and a US citizen to be eligible. Contest begins October 20th and there will be details on how to enter on their website (details.com). Hopefully it won’t be one of Adam’s more cray-cray (crazy) fans that ends up winning this!

Hopefully it’ll be someone reasonably pretty.

What, I’m shallow.

LOL. Marketing psychology depends on the consummer never the product. Marketing 101.

^^This^^ You sell products and marlet to consumers Love the way you think Sunn

My husband saw the pics and said they were very hot. He said Adam is a very good looking and attractive man. Oh honey, we so share the same taste.

american sex symbol

http://www.popculturejunkie.net/profiles/blogs/american-sex-symbol

I can’t think of any instances in which women are specifically marketing men to other men. It’s always a product’ ¦never another man. Could you offer any instances because I’ll gladly admit when I’m wrong.

I’ll take up that challenge Tony. How about James Bond movies. The women are selling Bond to us men. They LOVE him and we admire him because he ALWAYS scores right?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/kandahardotcom/1300309022_orig_dl3.jpg

Apparently, Details Magazine likes the naked girl/clothed guy look. This type of picture doesn’t seem to be reserved for just the gay guy.
These pics remind me of the Chris Issak “Wicked Games” video. (that was years ago) He must have just been into the hype and not the music. Sell Out!!!

Tony

October 18, 2009 at 1:45 am
LOL. Marketing psychology depends on the buyer never the product. Marketing 101.

I can’t think of any instances in which women are specifically marketing men (and whatever he has to offer ‘” music, athletics, etc.) to other men. It’s always a product’ ¦never another man. Could you offer any instances because I’ll gladly admit when I’m wrong.

Do you mean other than every music video ever made?????

POP music is a part of POP culture and POP is short for POPular. I’m pretty old and I can’t remember sex not being POPular. All through history we have been using Hype and sex cause it sells

Yes…but not ALL POP MUSIC is about sex isn’t it?I don’t remember pop singers like Mariah (during her diva days), Celine, Whitney sell music with an outwardly sexual context.They were attractive–yes–but hardly sexually explicit.

And that was my point….that these pics, the article is about hyping up his sexuality and use this as a selling point….it may be true…but it’s still sad….

And this thing about drug use.Adam did say something that it was not good blah-blah….but the problem with articles like this is that they(the editors, writers et al) tend to gloss over the real nitty-gritty about drug use…I haven’t seen the entire lay-out for the article but my guess is that they’ll probably have the part where Adam says he used to take a ton of coke or something like that and highlight it like a tagline and just put the part about the bad effects in the text of the article itself….so I have issues with that part too.It seems that Hollywood think it’s so cool to have done weeds or drugs and that it’s so easy to get out of it (notwithstanding the Heath Ledger, MJ stories….).

Haha, mj was so bothered/stunned that she spelled interview incorrectly on the HP. Shoot, I would have, too.

This may also be a generational thing, but about 50% of the openly gay guys I knew in high school, and about 70% of the openly gay guys I know now in college, would occasionally make out with girls or do other things with girls and enjoy it. They just viewed it as sensual, as a ‘girls are pretty’  thing. But they are definitely, completely, totally, unbelievably gay. It’s just about sensuality, about unlimited sexuality. Some very very straight girls I know occasionally enjoy making out with another girl, especially when drunk. If drunk and playing some sort of truth or dare game or whatever, I have some straight guy friends who will occasionally make out with another guy.

I’d agree with this. All of it. I do have straight male friends who have drunkenly made out at the bar. It’s not as common as drunk straight women making out with each other, but it does happen. Sexuality is a bit less rigid in our generation, especially in urban/liberal places. I’ve always found Adam’s take on it refreshing and rather current, and I’ve never doubted that he was gay instead of bi.

Also, these are the kinds of pictures men, especially younger men, won’t forget in a hurry. Not least because Adam tells them he’s gay while right on the opposite page he has one hand one girl’s ass and the other on her breast. When his CD comes out and they hear his name, all these impressions will come flooding back, and the album will suddenly look interesting, maybe even worth a listen.
These very men, especially the younger set, will be more likely to take a cyber stroll down to youtube to sample a song. At the very least, far more likely than for an album by some guy liner wearing, karaoke singing, american Idol wannabe.

Great point!! And this gig’s really a great marketing opportunity for Adam. I am sure the offer to be on the cover of this magazine prolly came after the finale or during the tour. 19M could always reject this one for Adam but they won’t. They need to expand and reach market segment outside the AI buble.
But the timing to be on this magazine is just perfect. 19M/RCA must have been lobbying them to put Adam on November issue. So it will added to the buzz of the release of his debut album.

10/13: AMA’s nomination
10/17 – 10/20: TFM release
10/19-10/23: (Adam on Oprah – not sure what date)
10/26: Single released? (maybe?)
10/27: Details Magazine November issue’s released
11/1-11/22: all kind of radios & media blitz to promote his single & album
11/22: Performing on AMA
11/23: Debut Album released
11/24: GMA

All of these are slowly bulding up to the 11/23, the release of his debut album. I’d say a great marketing plan.

Adam fans.. please buckle up and get ready for the Adam Lambert’s wild ride.

Yes’ ¦but not ALL POP MUSIC is about sex isn’t it?I don’t remember pop singers like Mariah (during her diva days), Celine, Whitney sell music with an outwardly sexual context.They were attractive’“yes’“but hardly sexually explicit.

Your right. I didn’t mean to imply that ONLY sex can sell and you have given some excellent examples. The concept is hardly new though and when you have the ability to build sexual tension the way Mr. Lambert doees, you would be crazy to not use it.

Adamme, you’re forgetting Out magazine (not sure when that’s coming out) and TFM playing before This Is It (which runs for two-weeks starting 10/27 midnight).

t?I don’t remember pop singers like Mariah (during her diva days

I don’t ever remember Mariah when she wasn’t sexual. There have been many a running joke about the fact that Mariah would wear a micro-mini and heels her grandma’s funeral.

And Brittney Spears ! Even in the years she professed t be a virgin, she dressed like a little school girl ( a classic male fantasy) or in a neck to ankle leather suit ( another classic male fantasy).

Can’t listen to Celine Dion but I know there were always questions about the relationship between Celine , who started her career as a 14 -year-old) and much older manager, who later became her husband.

Tony
October 18, 2009 at 1:45 am
LOL. Marketing psychology depends on the buyer never the product. Marketing 101.

I can’t think of any instances in which women are specifically marketing men to other men. It’s always a product’ ¦never another man. Could you offer any instances because I’ll gladly admit when I’m wrong.

The easiest and most obvious and recent example is Sarah Palin marketing John McCain. She was targeted at the men, not the women, The majority of women hated her, which is partly why he lost the election. She was meant to make him look young, virulent, vibrant. And it worked for a while (until she started going off script lol)

It goes all the way back to the beginning of cinema. You want your film actor to appear attractive and macho to men you have him photographed with a beautiful starlet on his arm.
With musicians it’s especially popular, that’s why they keep using models in their MVs. Sure it’s eye candy for the boys but it’s proof of the singer’s virulence. Rap and hip/hop is practically built on it. Which is why the videos of the genre are always the most risque.

Think of Johnny Depp in his early career, All the movies he made were financially modest niche movies. What made him cool to men and attractive to women were all the stories in the papers and the tabloids of hi serial dating. There was even a bumper sticker “I dated Johnny Depp” sold.

Go to political campaigns. A candidates wife is an essential part if his marketing image , not to women, but to men.

There are many examples, but trust me when I tell you, that the product doesn’t matter, it’s always my market. And when the market is young hetro men, I use women.

stopthemusic, I knew I’am forgetting something.. and my bad.. I forgot the HUGE one.. two weeks of TII…

Holy Mother of the Goddess and all things holy. That man is just SEXY. Yes, I am still breathing.

I think my lovely pal next door put it more articulately than I can after my long and eventful day.

“Also, of course Adam isn’t denying anything, or betraying anything, with these photos. As someone (sorry, can’t remember who) pointed out above, they’re more about the woman’s fantasy, given the context of the article, than his. Part of what’s great about the shoot is that it embraces the fact that it’s totally understandable for women to fantasize about a gay man, and if you have read any of the ‘eww, he’s gross’  comments that unfortunately pollute the bottom of any internet post about Adam, you’ll know that’s no small thing. If anything, he’s breaking all kinds of restrictive boundaries (cue horrible music) for gays, whether he means to or not. And its not like Adam thinks the idea of kissing women is gross! I’m a totally straight woman, and I don’t think the idea of kissing women is gross, and I haven’t had the idea that its the socially acceptable norm for me drilled into me from birth. I bet Adam had a blast doing this shoot.”

My God, I just love him.

I’ll take up that challenge Tony. How about James Bond movies. The women are selling Bond to us men. They LOVE him and we admire him because he ALWAYS scores right?

Do you mean other than every music video ever made?????

IDonn0 and tootheattrical FTW!!!

IDonn0, haven’t heard from you in awhile, welcome back. Yes, like Bond, or Clooney, or Pitt, men respond to and respect the man who gets the girl. This photo essay takes it one step further with yes, Adam is the man that gets the girls and he doesn’t care.

@jga94

Adam IS a very sexual guy, and doesn’t try to hide it during his performances, interviews etc. He isn’t trying to make himself palatable to the supposed tastes of middle America. He’s raising the possibility that America is ready for the mainstream-but-very-sexual gay pop star.

It seems that Hollywood think it’s so cool to have done weeds or drugs and that it’s so easy to get out of it

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Hollywood also tells plenty of stories of lives ruined by drugs. Hollywood puts out plenty of stories that even doing drugs once, is a horrible thing. It’s what the Very Special Episodes we’ve all seen as part of every show on network TV, is all about. And check out Lifetime to see all the many movies and TV movies about how drugs are horrible, terrible things.

And as an aside, ahhh fond memories of that one episode of Saved By The Bell where Jessie totally became hooked on those uppper types things by just trying them and thank goodness her friends came in and saved her! Hee to Jessie Spano’s drug freak out. Good times. Good times.

What Hollywood doesn’t do a lot of is telling stories where people can use drugs recreationally, and be just fine or even in Adam’s case, have done too many drugs and realized it and yeah, managed to stop using them without any problems. Not everyone who uses drugs becomes addicted to them. Not even coke. I know people who did them in their late teens, early twenties and stopped doing them just like that. I agree that drugs and alcohol have a chance of people being addicted to them, some more than others, like coke versus pot, and that’s an issue. But not everyone becomes addicted, so why should Adam make up a story that it was harder to quit using coke so it could be all Afterschool Special time.

Sorry, can’t edit on phone. @Sunn, we cross-posted, but brilliantly delineated^^^ ITA

IDonn0, haven’t heard from you in awhile, welcome back.

Thanks Susam M. It dawns on me that Adam may be just covering all the bases so that none of this can be brought up in the future as some horrible revelation to cause trouble. Most of us admire greatness in others, but some have to tarnish it in some way to make themselves feel better about who they are or maybe aren’t.

I don’t ever remember Mariah when she wasn’t sexual. There have been many a running joke about the fact that Mariah would wear a micro-mini and heels her grandma’s funeral.

And Brittney Spears ! Even in the years she professed t be a virgin, she dressed like a little school girl ( a classic male fantasy) or in a neck to ankle leather suit ( another classic male fantasy).

Can’t listen to Celine Dion but I know there were always questions about the relationship between Celine , who started her career as a 14 -year-old) and much older manager, who later became her husband.

I didn’t include Briotney in my examples because I think she’s an example of the pop singer who did use her sexuality to advance her career.

Mariah–I think–started to become sort of a sex kitten after she divorced Mottola with her hardly-there outfits….but whe she was starting out, she I don’t think people noticed her because of her body (rather it was her outrageous vocal range)…

Celine’s story that was played out in the press was always that of a simple Canadian girl who came from a religious, poor large family…if there were controversies…they were kept out of the limelight.

I don’t see those photos as provocative outside the Idol world, it’s not tame but pretty standard for these types of magazines.

The logic of girl looks hot so guy is cool seems pretty basic and a little simplistic to me but I am not the marketing expert here.

No affection, no lovely woman, just soft porn and low women-not appealing- and neither is PDA w Drake. Adam could take a lesson from Neil Patrick Harris on public conduct. Still, he is the most outstanding singer, terrific performar, amiable intelligent fellow and I am a fan counting the days till his album is released.I love the kid.

american sex symbol

http://www.popculturejunkie.net/profiles/blogs/american-sex-symbol

Shock artist with talent

This is so reminiscent of a ’90s version of Madonna. She knew how to push buttons and get people talking. She was X-rated and controversial. But she wasn’t just a shock artist ‘“ she had real talent. I think Adam is going to be this generation’s male shock artist with talent. And like Madonna, he’s going to continuously reinvent himself. Just wait. The Adam of today will not be the Adam of two or three years from now.

Adam and now his management too, definitely knew how to push buttons and get people talking! Love that 19M/RCA are on board with him too.

Adam IS a very sexual guy, and doesn’t try to hide it during his performances, interviews etc. He isn’t trying to make himself palatable to the supposed tastes of middle America. He’s raising the possibility that America is ready for the mainstream-but-very-sexual gay pop star.

Maybe it’s because I’m a bit prudish….maybe that’s why I don’t really “connect” with Adam….for me, one can be sexual or sensual without being so “open” about it because for me, it doesn’t really lessen one’s sexuality if one isn’t gyrating in public or sticking out one’s tongue in another’s mouth.call me old-fashioned…..sex –for me–is something private.

I admire singers who are very sexy and sensual but not very “showy” about it—like Maxwell.

Well, I cannot deny that Adam is very talented and wish him all the luck…

Sad, but true, IDonn0.

Adam may be covering his bases by getting it all out there, but that’s part of what I find so refreshing about him. He owns it like everything else. His drug use (like with millions of others as Truthiness pointed out) is a fact of his past that he can’t change and Adam is savvy enough to know that kind of crap always comes out nowadays. By divulging it first, he completely diffuses it’s power to become a scandal or a PR nightmare.

I don’t see those photos as provocative outside the Idol world, it’s not tame but pretty standard for these types of magazines.

Yep.. people keep forgetting that he’s not in the idol show anymore. Plus he never played by the rule on the show anyway.

LOL. I love you Adam. That’s all I’m going to say.

By divulging it first, he completely diffuses it’s power to become a scandal or a PR nightmare.

As I said in the other thread, Adam himself has said that he wants to be open in part, so it can’t come back later on. Dave Lettermen anyone?

girlygirl
October 18, 2009 at 1:44 am
FYI, the magazine is running a contest where you can win a photo shoot with Adam. Have to be 18 and a US citizen to be eligible. Contest begins October 20th and there will be details on how to enter on their website (details.com). Hopefully it won’t be one of Adam’s more cray-cray (crazy) fans that ends up winning this!

I couldn’t find any info about this contest at details.com. Did someone start a rumor? It sounds weird to me. And an egregiously bad idea…Certainly Adam would never agree to that. It could never be good. Of course, maybe you just mean to be funny. Keep your day job.

gemini1
October 18, 2009 at 1:52 am
Apparently, Details Magazine likes the naked girl/clothed guy look.

I think it’s time for the naked guy, clothed girl look. Although I agree that the reverse is sexier. It’s all about seduction.

ianaleah
October 18, 2009 at 2:25 am
No affection, no lovely woman, just soft porn and low women-not appealing- and neither is PDA w Drake. Adam could take a lesson from Neil Patrick Harris on public conduct.

Silly, silly person. You bring tears of mirth to my eyes.

Girls market ‘manly’  products’ ¦.not other men.

I’m not going to go out and rent a gay porno just because a chick advertises it on TV. lol It doesn’t work like that.

Huh? What does gay porno have to do with Adam’s music? Does it need to be spelled out? Heterosexual men are more likely to read an article about Adam Lambert because of the naked girl in the accompanying pictures. The fact that he’s gay (whether the readers know already or glean that fact from the article) is of little consequence. The strategy from a marketing point of view is to get Adam’s name and face out there to a segment of the public that might not know much about him. Will they buy his music or attend his concerts? That will depend on whether they actually like his music or not, but achieving a higher profile in the public eye will prove invaluable when it comes to getting radio play and being featured on entertainment news casts.

With musicians it’s especially popular, that’s why they keep using models in their MVs. Sure it’s eye candy for the boys but it’s proof of the singer’s virulence. Rap and hip/hop is practically built on it. Which is why the videos of the genre are always the most risque.

I forgot about rap and hip hop. I’ve always found it amusing how some of the most unattractive guys are always surrounded by the most gorgeous girls. Don’t think most rap and hip hop acts would have half the males fans they have without the marketing allure of all the beautiful babes.

^And regarding the drug thing….my “tirade” is directed more towards the writer or the editor…one who is responsible for putting together the article…..it’s just that–like I wrote–it seems like the article is glossing over the fact that drugs isn’t at all glamorous….and like it’s “easy” to get over…..there are many instances when casual use can lead to death or permanent brain damage (people react differently to it)…..and the “chance of getting hooked” is not small at all…….

Not everyone who uses drugs becomes addicted to them. Not even coke. I know people who did them in their late teens, early twenties and stopped doing them just like that…

Well, I know of people who used them only casually who died…and some who got so hooked that they resorted to doing all sort of sordid stuff just to keep getting them……including selling sex in exchange for drugs or money or stealing…….(well, in my country, meth is still topseller….coke is present but way too expensive and harder to find…except for those with the rich crowd….and weed….people who use weed smell awful…not glamorous at all…)…

I had read a comment in another thread here about wether some may lurk here phsycoanaylizing the posters. Maybe I’m guilty to some extent. I can’t help but notice that Adam is polarizing even among his fans. As he does some of these things, I notice that he crosses a line of the sensibility of some of his fans. Perhaps each has a sense of what he/she thinks Adam is to them, but then he does something crazy and some cringe and think OH NO not “my” Adam. He didn’t do that did he? Acceptance and tollerence is a difficult thing sometimes. He is going to follow his path and nobody elses, so enjoy what you can excuse what you can’t and enjoy the ride my friends.

Mariah’“I think’“started to become sort of a sex kitten after she divorced Mottola with her hardly-there outfits’ ¦.but whe she was starting out, she I don’t think people noticed her because of her body (rather it was her outrageous vocal range)’ ¦

She didn’t have her breast surgery until after the divorce, that is true, but I think her move toward sexuality was increased by the fact that her sophomore CD didn’t do anywhere nearly as well as her first. I just watched several of the videos and even by the video for “Emotions” (the lead and best selling single of #2) there are several close-up shots of her rear end and even more of her bikini -clad clevage. The video for “Dream Lover” ( off of #3) begins with slo-mo close-ups of Mariah swimming underwater. Then she rolls around in the grass.

Mileages vary and yours certainly may be different than mine but sexuality has always been part of pop music – from Jerry Lee Lewis to Elvis to Johnny Cash through the Beatles’s era to Madonna and up to today.

Heck, even Barry manilow was Bette Midler’s pianist!

Sex sells, always has and always will and Adam is just a continuation in a longline of acts who know how to use this fact to their advantage.

I can’t think of any instances in which women are specifically marketing men to other men. It’s always a product’ ¦never another man. Could you offer any instances because I’ll gladly admit when I’m wrong.

I’ll take up that challenge Tony. How about James Bond movies. The women are selling Bond to us men. They LOVE him and we admire him because he ALWAYS scores right?

Interesting exemple IDonn0.
I don’t think all Bonds are equal. Roger Moore never looked cool to me even when he had Carol Bouquet in his arms, Sean Connery OTOH…

ITA that for the most part women in those films are accessories to make the men look good but it doesn’t work if the guys don’t have charisma or the right attitude.

I don’t think all Bonds are equal. Roger Moore never looked cool to me even when he had Carol Bouquet in his arms, Sean Connery OTOH’ ¦

Connery is the ONLY Bond as far as I’m concerned And I think Adam agreed in his Details interview didn’t he?

It’s not edgy or clever. It’s just porn.

new sebree photoshoot
Adam picking his nose.. How adorable!haha

It’s not edgy or clever. It’s just porn.

Thanks for letting me know….must find this magazine…..

druzilla
October 18, 2009 at 2:57 am
It’s not edgy or clever. It’s just porn.”

Some porn is clever.

Can I have a couple copies of the Adam porn. Thank you.

druzilla: It’s not edgy or clever. It’s just porn.

Well — OK. Seems kind of tame to me. Expected something steamier after the ET preview — thought this was hot, but appropriate for a magazine targeting adults.

How about James Bond movies. The women are selling Bond to us men. They LOVE him and we admire him because he ALWAYS scores right?

This might apply to the Sean Connery Bond films from the 1960′s but that’s 50 years ago. The more recent Bond films don’t have any of this dated “sexuality” in them.

I worry for people sometimes. If they should ever stumble across something that is truly and honestly pornographic … it will be too too traumatic.

So, Sir Paul’s guitarist is really becoming an Adam fangirl. He is even trying to trend #AdamLambert! Hee.

Brianrayguitar

@Winks7619 @AdamLambert’s new Cd will be SO sick! If the other tracks are 1/2 this great…look out!! #AdamLambert
about 1 hour ago from web in reply to Winks7619

It’s not edgy or clever. It’s just porn.

Oh, my goodness! I had no idea that they sold porn at Walgreens and my local grocer.

Making list: Milk; bread; porn; eggs’ ¦yummy!

It’s not edgy or clever. It’s just porn.

Well I totally agree it’s not edgy, because it’s pretty typical for Details. And many other non-porn magazines like say Esquire or Vanity Fair, just off the top of my head, have shots like this quite often. So yeah, Adam is being a fairly typical Details model here.

And yes, I want this magazine now please. Oh and I’ll be amused at the ET clip now, knowing what they’re actually talking about before it’s released. hee.

I really do feel this is just shocking! inside the AI bubble. Or maybe the people who watch AI don’t read these kinds of magazines? I don’t know. I was just looking at what was a TRULY controversial lay out in French Vogue and it should have been controversial and denounced. The bare breast of the model in one of the pictures however, wasn’t the problem at all.

Whoa, Adam sure stirs up a lot of discussion.

eyelinerandcigarettes
October 18, 2009 at 4:12 am
Whoa, Adam sure stirs up a lot of discussion.

Because he’s interesting and provocative. It’s great to be an adam fan.

just love him!!!

Brianrayguitar

@Winks7619 @AdamLambert’s new Cd will be SO sick! If the other tracks are 1/2 this great’ ¦look out!! #AdamLambert
about 1 hour ago from web in reply to Winks7619

What’s with ppl (music industry) flailing over Adam’s tracks? Are the tracks really that good or is SICK means too SEXY for words? they all seemed stoked or shocked. don’t know what to think anymore.

NewFan
October 18, 2009 at 3:43 am
I worry for people sometimes. If they should ever stumble across something that is truly and honestly pornographic ‘ ¦ it will be too too traumatic.

Lol IKR?

STill looking at the pics and coming back in here and going WTF? I’m think the AI bubble inhabitants must be pretty sheltered….I can’t see anywhere out there in mainstream where this would be considered pornesque

OMG – I avoid the blog for LESS than 24 hours to deal with RL and WHAT HAPPENS????!!!!!!!!! ARGH!!!!!! [pant, pant]

Ok, to deal first with this thread (b/c the other one is WAY too long to deal with at 4 am)…..

Those photos are freaking stupendous. And for those who keep asking over and over again about previous seasons of American Idol:

No, there has never been another American Idol who was featured groping naked models before their album came out.

Heh.

LOL, prudes.

Adam is provocative, he’s fun, he’s sexual, always has been.
If that bothers you, how and why in the world are you an Adam Lambert fan. There’s a lot more to come people!

His blunt honesty and lack of filter is so damn refreshing.
And the photos, and models, are absolutely f-n GORGEOUS.

Beautiful work from Alexei Hay and so many epic quotes.

“I have no problem telling people, “‘You know what? I’m not your babysitter and I’m not your church’, ” he says. “They go ‘Jesus loves you, too.’ One time I just blurted out ‘I’m Jewish, okay? I don’T need another crucifix! That’s not an appropriate gift for me!’” He laughs. “I know people are coming from a good place, but it can be offensive. Like, ‘Thank you, I’m not Christian! I don’t read that book.’”

“But it started to get a little weird because she was, like, moaning…”

‘He’s just a very sexual guy, and he’s not threatening to women.’

–”The surprise is that he’s also a gifted songwriter”–

“It takes him a little longer because he’s totally on girl time,” — “I like to get real pretty”

“There’s a part of me that’s a business person and part of me that’s an artist, and the artist wants to push buttons and break boundaries…but the spokesperson goes, “Well that doesn’t really sell albums.”

–’She begins to tremble and weep’–

“Lambert is wearing an outfit that looks like Johnny Rotten’s closet had an orgy with Prince’s dry-cleaning.”

“Get into it, bitches!”

“It’s all fantasy–that’s what entertainment is. I’m here to entertain you, and if my sexuality is apparent and you respond to it, then great, I’m doing my job. IT AIN’T HAPPENING ANYWAY!”

“I think it’s beautiful. That’s the way it should be. It shouldn’t matter what a person’s sexual preference is– it doesn’t change their appeal”.

Love. Him.

Adam is so controversial. I love that about him. Tomorrow or the next day we will be arguing about something else about him. Like I stated before, it is so hard to ignore him. I myself, do not want to. One moment he is this big smiley little boy and the next minute he is a sex god posing for sexy pictures. Roller coaster ride. I love him because he is so talented is not predictable.

.thank you Idonno……Very good psycological profiling of many of the posters here!!!! Yes, it seems the tolerance level of some fans is quite dependent on their own perceptions of sexualityor “tastefull sensemeters.”

How does all the flailing, panting,Adamgasmic and descriptive depictions of what you would like to mean to him or have him be to you
fit into some of your rigid moralizing???
I somehow don’t think Adam will allow himself to be relegated to just the proper AI mainstream look.
The marketing is just getting smarter every day. What is the saying???
It’s SEX DRUGS AND ROCK n ROLL!!
Adam, would love to be everybody’s fantasy…….And why not?
We all have them.!!
Besides ,which, we get to listen to a really great singer too. If you don’t want to see these kind of photos or video, just buy the music instead of the videos and leave it PG!!
Drugs, yes he admits to getting quite involved at one point, but, he also had his epiphany, while high, of what he needed to do to reach his goal.
I’m paraphrasing but it’s all in RS.
What I find interesting was reading all about Adams Horoscope that was on a link on this site but I did not keep. A couple of interesting things I read there. 1. Fame shows up all over his reading. 2. He will
love but never settle down entirely(somewhat romantically restless).
3.He will enable change in ideology for some. 4 He needs to be very careful about substances and take care to distance himself from them.
I think that is mostly accurate, but my wording could be less than accurate. Maybe the person who did his full horoscope could redo that
link…!!!

For me AL is all about the fantasy, the voice and the essential beautiful
guy he is. He is brave and determined to live his live mostly honestly.
For me ,I hope that he will make more wise choices than not!!

And like JKL…….I love him too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yowza!

ETA: I already said it in the other thread but HOT HOT HOT!

Adam could take a lesson from Neil Patrick Harris on public conduct.

You mean his never, ever, be photographed with another guy even though I’m gay policy? Yeah, i’m sure that makes all the pearl clutchers happy. How good for NPH fans. How sadz for NPH. Do we accept gays in this society as long as they don’t show us they’re gay?

I love these pics. They scream: “Yeah, I’m gay, but I can still steal your girlfriend”.

Said it all along. Smart guy, that Adam.

My favorite quote and can’t find it in the mire is:

“Adam is still just playing dress up only this time he’s wearing a really beautiful brunette…”

Love that he is never boring – god it’s so time for a male artist to spark things up, but do it with a nod and a wink and a glint in his eye.

The line “It’s good to be the king…” comes to mind .

um porn??? seriously? This is so not porn PETA adds are more risque then these.

Adam could take a lesson from Neil Patrick Harris on public conduct.

I guess Harold and Kumar go to Whitecastle is a fine example.

#

american sex symbol

http://www.popculturejunkie.net/profiles/blogs/american-sex-symbol

This is so reminiscent of a ’90s version of Madonna. She knew how to push buttons and get people talking. She was X-rated and controversial. But she wasn’t just a shock artist ‘“ she had real talent. I think Adam is going to be this generation’s male shock artist with talent. And like Madonna, he’s going to continuously reinvent himself. Just wait. The Adam of today will not be the Adam of two or three years from now.

I would love to see this pic (headshot in heading) as cover for his album. Don’t think Adam would like it, but I would. As I said in the other post, this is a photo shoot. Adam loves to play and he loves people. He is having fun. I also think it is a great PR move. As far as a drug problem, if there was ANYTHING to find the reporters would have dug it up by now. Obviously there is nothing there to be worried about. Oh well, I will enjoy them. Love Adam and his music. That’s all that matters.

Adam will never cross the line for me. I would not presume to draw that imaginary line in the sand. If ever some photos or articles are published that offend me, I’ll stop reading them.

As long as this man sings, I will listen – that much I know.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/kandahardotcom/1300309022_orig_dl3.jpg

Apparently, Details Magazine likes the naked girl/clothed guy look. This type of picture doesn’t seem to be reserved for just the gay guy.
These pics remind me of the Chris Issak ‘Wicked Games’  video. (that was years ago) He must have just been into the hype and not the music. Sell Out!!!

LOL – you guys crack me up so early in the morning. Adam is busting loose from AI – I’m curious to see the contestants if the show last a few more years, Adam may have those who never thought to do it going ‘why not?’

Holy Photoshopping, Batman! That picture in the header is as ridiculous as anything they’ve done to Jordin or Kelly. Why bother with human models if you are going to pull stunts like that? I can see smoothing out the skin tones a bit, but that’s insane. Facial and neck reconstruction in Aisle 5.

I love the pictures and the article. These are my thoughts:

1. The pictures are beautiful because they are artistic
2. Black and white photographs are known for their classic appeal. The shapes and lines can be distinctly visible in the pictures.
3. They tell the story (girls attraction to Adam) through a graphical metaphore (Adam being the object of desire – Adam ´s eyes closed -woman looking at the camera)
4. Adam is showing another facet of himself: he can be a male model. Pictures like this can be seen on magazines ads for different products. Also on tv.
5. Men will be curious of the man who elicits this beautiful woman ´s desires. They will remember his name when seen in another context (music).
6. These pictures will do no harm to Adam. The RS article was released before the concert and we know who most people went to the concerts for.
6. Adam ´s fans will make this Details edition to sell out.
7. Finally, I am a straight woman and I like to look at women ´s bodies. In fact, my favorite picture is the horizontal one. I would frame this picture to post on a wall. I am sure that my partner would be happy with it, too. Well, I also love the cover

Conclusion: a win – win situation for the magazine and for Adam

A great article, a great photo spread. A brilliant PR and marketing campaign.

I think it will backfire in their faces!

This has been said about everything Adam has done so far and so far and NOPE, everything has enhanced his popularity and has made more people in the industry more interested. Not just in the music industry either. Adam is beautiful, sexy, talented, charismatic and his career will only get better. I wish him all the best.

Yes they did photoshop it, but Adam does have a nice natural profile

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/91855628/Getty-Images-Entertainment

Holy Photoshopping, Batman! That picture in the header is as ridiculous as anything they’ve done to Jordin or Kelly.

Really? I just thought the heavy shadows and angle away from the camera made him look different than the normal face front pics. It doesn’t look like they even smoothed his skin much. On the other hand, I thought in the pics with the hot girl, he was shopped like crazy, all smoothed out like those initial comsumptive vampire pics for tour.

Well, looks like I’m gonna hafta break down and buy damn magazine so I can examine it carefully, LOL.

As someone (sorry, can’t remember who) pointed out above, they’re more about the woman’s fantasy, given the context of the article, than his.

Isn’t it more about the reader’s fantasy than any of the “characters” in the pictures? She’s looking directly at the camera. Directly at the viewer. She’s saying “I wish it was you”. Adam is there just as a proxy for the guy reading the magazine.

I’m not sure this was the best use of his time. I just don’t see the typical guy who reads a “lad mag” being into the kind of music that Adam is describing that he’s making. Sure, they’ll ogle the chick and wish it were them, but that’s about it. Then they’ll move onto reading about the corduroy suit they should be buying and try to figure out if the magazine is serious about that sh!t. Fashion magazines are more about the pictures.

I’m sure this will be a hit with his fans, though. And it’s press. So there’s that.

HAH!!!, I`m not some young panting straight girl!

I would certainly frame and put up Adams beautiful picture of him……………………… er, uh……………..and the naked girl. Yes!!!

Also addressing the TMI comment – with the way people like to blackmail and extort money from celebs, once Adam becomes big and famous it’s best he already spilled the beans and took the ammo out of the hands of potential blackmailers.

Scorn this post if you want but look at David Letterman, Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

Be an open book and never have to look over your shoulder or watch what you say.

Really? I just thought the heavy shadows and angle away from the camera made him look different than the normal face front pics.

Look at the picture that Squirrely posted. They’ve elongated his neck and removed flesh from under his chin. I think they messed with his cheek bones and nose too. They’ve certainly smoothed out some of his lines.

Check out this Dove Ad to see how much they can alter a look.

To me it seems like Adam just gets off seeing what he can do next to show people he is not the typical “It’s a family show!” idol. I’m sure his fans will love it and buy up as many magazines as they can. I just don’t get it.

Then right on top of the Adam story is David Archuletta’s little boy next door face promoting his Christmas album….. LOL… What a contrast! That’s the idol stuff I prefer… yep, I’m a prude and damn proud of it.

Kirsten- all media photoshops. It’s not the same as taking off 25 pounds so they can put you on a weight loss magazine.

Lu ( and Kirsten) “I’m sure his fans will love it and buy up as many magazines as they can”.

Yes. Yes they will. And that’s all that really matters in the end, isn’t it?

Kirsten- all media photoshops. It’s not the same as taking off 25 pounds so they can put you on a weight loss magazine.

And every cover shot of Oprah on O is photo shopped, which I don’t get at all.

Lu ( and Kirsten) ‘I’m sure his fans will love it and buy up as many magazines as they can’ .

Yes. Yes they will. And that’s all that really matters in the end, isn’t it?

readership will definitely increase for this issue Hey, he may even get a new fan or two too boot.

All the comparisons with Madonna just don’t sit quite right with me, and I’ve been thinking about why. I was a teenager in the 80s and enjoyed Madonna’s music and antics, but she always seemed to have such a hard edge….to be so ego-centric. I’m not trying to dis Madonna; this is just my perception.
Adam might push some boundaries and show savvy marketing skills, but he just seems so much warmer and more personable. Fame and money aside, Adam would be fun to be around. Madonna? Not so much.
Madonna just always took herself so seriously. Adam’s having fun and he’s more than willing to bring all of us along for the ride. I think THAT is his appeal.

Kirsten- all media photoshops.

I am aware of that. Most of the time, with real people (people who have fame outside of magazines), they just do some touch-up stuff. Sometimes, they go over-board and it’s silly. Hello! We know they don’t look that way. The photo in the header has reached the silly stage, IMO.

Sure, fashion is all about fantasy and Adam looks like that in the fantasy world. I’m just not a fan of the photoshop ’til you drop craze.

Well, he looks hot. Very hot. And outside the “Idol Bubble” these pictures are like tons of others out there, and not really shocking in the least. Adam loves women, that has always been apparent. Heck, his best friends are all women (or at least his very best friend is). Again, whatever he is doing, he has a team behind him, ultimately making the decisions and having the final say—too much money tied up in him.

I have to say, I am having a blast being a fan of someone who is so “out there.” For years, my tastes have run more alternative/under-the-radar (and still do, really). I can’t believe I am following someone so “Top 40,” current, popular,lol. But, Adam’s voice hooked me, and then I have fallen in love with everything else.

Hey, he may even get a new fan or two too boot.

For every pearl clutcher he’ll lose, he’ll gain a free thinker, IMHO.

Wrigley- I agree on Madonna- she was ALWAYS out to shock. Adam adapts to every interview situation and knows exactly when things are appropriate. He always tempers his wild side with his thoughtful one. Even when he talked about the fan who was moaning in that article, he made sure he also complmented her by saying how beautiful she was.

IS this new?
Adam in Style Magazine

IS this new?
Adam in Style Magazine

Yes, I’ve never seen it. Nice!

Really nice pic in Style Magazine—have we seen that picture before somewhere? It looks familiar.

Really nice pic in Style Magazine’”have we seen that picture before somewhere? It looks familiar.

the pictures are old the interview is new

HAH!!!, I`m not some young panting straight girl!
I would certainly frame and put up Adams beautiful picture of him’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦ er, uh’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦’ ¦..and the naked girl. Yes!!!

Well, I am not so young either, but I am not a prude and remember.. We ´ve got to live like we ´re dying And yes, I will buy the magazine and frame the photo. Good times!!!!

To me it seems like Adam just gets off seeing what he can do next to show people he is not the typical ‘It’s a family show!’  idol. I’m sure his fans will love it and buy up as many magazines as they can. I just don’t get it.

When a magazine for grown-ups is considering profiling a celebrity for the cover, they are going to want and in-depth profile. They send the writers to spend a day or two with the subject so they can establish a rapport, get beneath the surface and observe behavior when the subject’s guard is down. Why? Because they want something deeper and more raw than a press-release-generated, shiny, happy Tiger Best profile. That is not going to show or tell the world anything new about this person. It’s going to make the Tweens squee and bore the adults to death.

And as far as garnering credibility with “outside the bubble” markets? Forget it. Adam and his people know what needs to be done to launch him past the sterile confines of the AI image. This is exactly it.

I wonder, if he was the AI winner, can he do pictures like these?

Crap! Blockquote fail. Can’t fix -sorry!

I was a little apprehensive when I saw the 8-sec teaser about this shoot. That was silly – Adam knows what he’s doing. The photos are gorgeous & I’m hoping the issue won’t sell out before I can get my hands on one.

The one negative for me is that photo in the header here. I agree that it is way over photo-shopped. Doesn’t even look like Adam. Shame, because he has the most gorgeous profile. Better than that photo by a mile.

Shame, because he has the most gorgeous profile. Better than that photo by a mile.

Don ´t worry, the photo for the magazine cover is totally awesome.

He certainly does JazzRocks

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/91855628/Getty-Images-Entertainment

Well, Richard Rushfield loves Time for Miracles, at least based on his latest tweet. I can’t bring it over because I’m on my iPod, but if he listens to it one more time he might break the Internet, LOL.

The photos from in style is from the Robert Sebree photos, of which another one surfaced last night

No, if he was the AI winner, it just wouldn’t fit.
Randy Jackson said it best for his 1st post finale interview on ryan Seacrest.

something to the effect– People, listen to me, it is BETTER that he didn’t win–

via IDF via AO ( from the photographer and editor of the shoot):
ALEXEI HAY

“I knew nothing about Adam Lambert before the shoot other than that he was gay and gothic,” photographer Alexei Hay says of this month’s cover subject. “So I didn’t have a problem asking if he would be okay with a naked girl close to him.” See just how close–and how naked–in “Why Does Every Woman in America Want to Sleep With Adam Lambert?” (page 112). Hay recalls: “I think I said, ‘Adam, today you are going to confront the vagina.’ Without missing a beat, he shot back, I’m down.’ and settled into place between the model’s legs.” Hay lives in New York and has shot for The New York Times Magazine.

NANCY JO SALES

Vanity Fair contributing editor Nancy Jo Sales, who wrote “Why Does Every Woman in American Want to Sleep With Adam Lambert?” (page 112), has interviewed celebrities like Angelina Jolie and Hugh Hefner but thinks the American Idol performers have their own appeal. “Reality-show stars are much more accessible because they were recently real people.” Sales says. “They’re sort of unspoiled and fresh.” True to form, Lambert talked about the drugs he’d used, when he lost his virginity, and how, Sales says, “he wouldn’t rule out making out with a sexy girl who came on to him, just for the fun of it. As he says, why not?”

Cindy M- I copied it for ya:

RT @richardrushfield OMG, #timeformiracles…if i listen to this one more time im going to break the internet.. http://bit.ly/Bd9NG (expand)
about 4 hours ago

WHat’s wrong with the header shot? Photoshopped yes, as wth all magazine shoots these days..but not done to such an extent to completely alter him to debuggery.

To me it looks very much like Adam would look shot from that angle, give or take a few nip and tucks

The cover pic for the edition is fanstastic, he’s an incredibly good looking guy

Thank God for the First Amendment! “Pornography” cases have been very difficult to prosecute because of such diverse definitions of what it is as evidenced here.

People have their definitions and Larry Flint’s is not more better or right than Oral Roberts.

Read the Wiki on Le Djeuner sur l’herbe painted by Manet in 1862/63. The very discussion on pornography vs. propriety rages on today almost 150 years later!

I love both the painting AND the photos! But I’m a girl who loves controversy and the lively discussions that follow. Except for the “I’m right, you’re wrong” and the name calling because of difference of opinion. When someone resorts to name calling, they have no valid point of view. So shut up you idiots!! Hahahahahha J/K

Lu ( and Kirsten) ‘I’m sure his fans will love it and buy up as many magazines as they can’ .

Yes. Yes they will. And that’s all that really matters in the end, isn’t it?

Kinda sorta disagree. If this works for Adam, it will be because of the subscribers who see the photos and read (even a little) of the article. That, plus the accompanying PR.

I think this is very smart of 19 and, even if I’m wrong, it shows that they are thinking far beyond the AI bubble for Adam. So far beyond, in fact, that they are willing to to take the substantial risk of offending some of his established fans to gain some new ones.

Studio57
October 18, 2009 at 9:03 am
Cindy M- I copied it for ya:

RT @richardrushfield OMG, #timeformiracles’ ¦if i listen to this one more time im going to break the internet.. http://bit.ly/Bd9NG (expand)
about 4 hours ago

So you think RUsfield likes it perhaps?

For every pearl clutcher he’ll lose, he’ll gain a free thinker, IMHO.

I’m a very liberal person who has no problem with what Adam is doing, but I always get a little uncomfortable with this kind of characterization. People can be uneasy with this kind of overt sexuality, it’s not a crime. LOL. And a lot of “free thinkers” really aren’t all that free. But that’s just me. Do your thing, I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

All that said, Adam is aiming or a pop audience… primarily teens and people in their 20s. They’ve also made it very clear they are going to market him internationally, where overt sexuality is much much more common. I don’t think either audience is going to have a problem with the image 19M is trying to create for him right now. Parts of the idol audience will, and that is to be expected. But overall, the positioning is smart for what he is trying to do and where he is trying to go, IMO.

I also think it is possible to be an authentic performer and stay relatively family friendly… I think Kelly Clarkson has done it well, as have others. Some people just are that type of performer. AI’s expectations only become a problem if they are asking you to be something you are not.

Why Does Every Woman in America Want to Sleep With Adam Lambert?’ 

What about us women in the rest of the world? Don ´t we count?

No problem, This is a Mad World but I am Feeling Gooooooddddd

Kirsten: Holy Photoshopping, Batman! That picture in the header is as ridiculous as anything they’ve done to Jordin or Kelly. Why bother with human models if you are going to pull stunts like that? I can see smoothing out the skin tones a bit, but that’s insane. Facial and neck reconstruction in Aisle 5.

Well IMO these Alexei Hay photos are brilliant — I don’t care what he did to create them — and capture how a lot of women (and some men) feel about Adam — and that is what the accompanying article is about.

Interesting that the front cover is almost completely natural — not posted here but all over the Web — they just cleaned up his skin. Also that his natural chin is on the “page 2 tongue photo” with the model.

The “page 1″ protrait photo was done to express Adam as a “sex symbol” and icon — and I think it is a very effective idealization of him. It was mostly with lighting, the camera angle and the drape of the white tee shirt collar as it was done in photoshop. As far as I can tell, they cleaned up his skin and changed his jawline.

BUT that is Adam’s actual necklength, nose and profile. Look at this photo — taken when Adam was heavier — but his long neckline is evident:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/Adam%20Lambert%20portrait%20profile/sophieangele/adam_lambert_american_idol_2.jpg

One of the reasons Adam sounds so different that other pop singers is because he has a unique combination of anatomy — including the long neck, well-developed throat muscles and broad nose. You see these two features on opera singers and great tenors quite often.

So as I go to listen to TfM with my morning coffee –

I checked: my mother does not want to sleep with Adam Lambert.

I checked: my mother does not want to sleep with Adam Lambert.

Neither does mine – LOL. Honestly neither do I. I just want to hug him.

Beautiful pics. I liked the model they used with Adam. Her look compliments his look. I like the concept of the photo shoot, which to me, is Adam telling people he is ok with both genders fantaizing about him. I agree with the poster who states that Adam’s generation is less rigid when it comes to sexuality. He is very photographic (yes I know there is some photoshopping) and I would love to see some fashion pics as well. I’m still hoping for a Vanity Fair spread. Nice interview as well.

Squirrely: Neither does mine ‘“ LOL. Honestly neither do I. I just want to hug him.

I’ll go with the hug!

Also, Adam got the “On My Mind” page in InStyle mag. They used the Sebree coach photo but answers are fun. It appears to be only online as a page scan of the magazine so far.

Adam is a very sexual, intense person. I think he’s staying true to himself with these pictures. I was lucky enough to meet him at the AI ‘after party’ in Atlanta. I told him he’d changed my life and thanked him for all he puts into his singing. While I was talking to him he was staring straight into my eyes….I felt like he was boring straight down into my soul. He hugged me and said ‘that’s so sweet’. This guy has some type of AURA around him, he’s the real deal. Anyway, I think the Details magazine pictures are just another interesting facet of Adam Lambert. I don’t think it was done just for marketing and PR.

they are willing to to take the substantial risk of offending some of his established fans to gain some new ones.

This is a filter. When you get to the university (at least in my country), the first year is very difficult because the idea is to filter the students who are not ready for it and leave those who are and also create more opportunities for others. Not everybody is ready for what Adam has to offer. So, they can give up or adapt

So is the magazine for sale now? I might have to check Walgreens today.

The picture at the top does not even look like him, I am not sure whose chin and neck that is but not Adams. He was photoshopped more than Kelly Clarkson was but no outrage about it like there seemed to be with Kelly. I wonder why.

I am a bit offended by this statement because I think that it is disingenuous of Adam:

True to form, Lambert talked about the drugs he’d used, when he lost his virginity, and how, Sales says, ‘he wouldn’t rule out making out with a sexy girl who came on to him, just for the fun of it. As he says, why not?’ 

The pictures and this statement paint him as something he is not. He is a gay man and seems proud of that fact so to me this whole thing comes off as fake. JMO

A day later and it’s been there, done that about the pics.

It’s interesting to follow RCA’s campaign. They followed a similiar (more tame) campaign a few years back for another attractive Idol. Magazine covers, very sexy photoshoots, a provocative cover, tons of tabloid TV coverage. They always work with what they have. In her case it didn’t work because the music wasn’t very good.

So in the end I’ll just say that this type of campaign sells mags, gets your name out but ultimately means nothing. Because nobody ever buys an album because of a hot photo shoot. The music will sell the album.

Clearone
The scary drug thing
An interview with Leila Lambert by San Diego print media around the time of the AI tour dates in SD quoted her saying Adam told her ‘I didn’t say I use drugs, I said I used drugs.’  The context was she objected to him being so open in RS about drug use because it could have a negative influence on young people.

Third hand info through Leila. The way this article is written, he used drugs when he was depressed then used them again to have his ‘epiphany’ about changing his life….not good impressions to leave out there about drugs. He needs to offset this by telling the story of how he stopped using and why….and not just by saying they’re bad.

halfie
October 18, 2009 at 9:22 am
I checked: my mother does not want to sleep with Adam Lambert.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I

also think it is possible to be an authentic performer and stay relatively family friendly’ ¦ I think Kelly Clarkson has done it well, as have others. Some people just are that type of performer. AI’s expectations only become a problem if they are asking you to be something you are not.

Very true Tinawa(didnt post the entire post but I agree with it all totally)

like you say, the same in reverse applies to lambert…His outrageous style doesnt take away from him being an authentic performer either …as long as everyone goes the route that reflects thei style totally, it can never been an issue,except in AI bubbledome

Kinda sorta disagree. If this works for Adam, it will be because of the subscribers who see the photos and read (even a little) of the article. That, plus the accompanying PR.

Yep, if the edition sells well, its because its subcribers and the people who regularly buy the mag found it worth reading. A few lambert fans running to buy multiple copies will be just a blimp in overal sales and interest.

I also think it is possible to be an authentic performer and stay relatively family friendly’ ¦ I think Kelly Clarkson has done it well, as have others.

Disagree, and I will tell you why. I am a fan of Adam, as is my adult ( 19) daughter and my youngest ( 12). It is up to ME as a parent to make it family friendly for my youngest. We went to the concert together, and when I knew Adam was going to have fun with the mic stand, I diverted her attention, because I knew it was probably something she would be a little shocked by ( she doesn’t even like to talk about the changes she is going through right now, and the word “boob” would send her running to her room, lol). When this photospread came out, I showed her the one picture of him with the white tee, and she said are there any more and I said yes, but YOU aren’t seeing them, lol.

When his CD comes out- if it is sooooo questionable that I think she needs protecting, I will do the censoring, because that is MY job as a mother.

I have to agree about photo #1 (wet tee) I though it was photoshopped when I first saw it – but the others? Look at the ET video or stills from that photo shoot – he is looking pretty thin (all over) and the ‘same’ in thos pictures.

@halfie
October 18, 2009 at 9:22 am
I checked: my mother does not want to sleep with Adam Lambert.

Forget your mother, what about your wife/girlfriend? (J/K lol)

Well your moms may not want to sleep with Adam but have you asked your grandmothers? He does seem to have a large group of 60-70 year old fans. Maybe it’s the Elvis thing?

Disagree, and I will tell you why. I am a fan of Adam, as is my adult ( 19) daughter and my youngest ( 12). It is up to ME as a parent to make it family friendly for my youngest.

I don’t get how that goes against anything I said, though. All I said is that some performers are naturally family friendly just being true to themselves, some are not, and that the whole expectation around idols only becomes a problem if you are the type of performer that falls into the latter. That, to me, has nothing to do with parenting. Can you clarify for me?

the same in reverse applies to lambert’ ¦His outrageous style doesnt take away from him being an authentic performer either ‘ ¦as long as everyone goes the route that reflects their style totally, it can never been an issue,except in AI bubbledome

I totally agree.

So in the end I’ll just say that this type of campaign sells mags, gets your name out but ultimately means nothing. Because nobody ever buys an album because of a hot photo shoot. The music will sell the album.

Stating the obvious. I dont think anyone here has indicated otherwise.But it is good pr and gets his name out there regardless.If a magazine wants to cover you,no harm done, whether you sink or sail

So basically if it means nothing and its the music that will sell(we all know that) then we agree the racy pics arent going to affect aything with regards to TFM and his other singles to be released, as you alluded to yesterday! They wont “overshadow” anything. The songs will do well or not based on public appeal to it, not because he stepped out of “family friendly” mode.

Glad we’re all back to centre!

Gossip Candy has two of the pics without the flashmarks:

http://gossipcandy.com/2009/10/without-the-flash-marks/

4evrmomof4
October 18, 2009 at 8:57 am
The photos from in style is from the Robert Sebree photos, of which another one surfaced last night

Yes another one certainly did:

http://gossipcandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/adamnew.jpg

The best one of all imo. Straight out of Terry Gilliam’s imagination. I really hope they use it, or something like it, as an album cover cause I just flove this pic.

Deleted–Jpfan alredy stated it..

Well, I don’t live in the AI bubble. Didn’t watch the show until this year. Their idea of idol and mine just didn’t mesh. I felt like AI was just another “Disney”. Bringing on acts who were just imitators of acts already out, or it was a popularity contest. Most of the fans in the AI bubble will soon move on to the new contestents. I agree with his comments about AI fans feeling entitled. I saw it first hand at the Hartford concert. One teenage boy was gushing over Allison and then calling her a “bitch” because she didn’t come out to sign autographs.

But Adam is different than anyone on Idol before him. He’s fascinating, extremely talented, unapologetic, and he has, as Simon said on Oprah the “IT” factor. These pictures are only “shocking” to those living in the bubble. He is beautiful in them. Pick up a copy of Cosmo, or Maxim and you know what I mean. The fact is these magazines wouldn’t be after Adam if he didn’t generate lots of sales. And that he is selling them so well before his CD is out speaks volumes to me. Just look at all the comments any article on him generates, still, months after the show and the tour.

He did not have to get the cover – the pictures could have just been an inside spread, but for him to get the cover is fantastic.

I also think it is possible to be an authentic performer and stay relatively family friendly’ ¦

Right! And God Bless those of them that do…

@halfie
October 18, 2009 at 9:22 am
I checked: my mother does not want to sleep with Adam Lambert.

Forget your mother, what about your wife/girlfriend? (J/K lol)

I’m not sure, but I figure anthrogeek can speak for herself.

Squirrely
October 18, 2009 at 9:53 am
He did not have to get the cover ‘“ the pictures could have just been an inside spread, but for him to get the cover is fantastic.

Exactly, no harm done…I cant see any angle in which i can twist this to be a bad thing……..

@halfie
I’m not sure, but I figure anthrogeek can speak for herself.

Whut? Am I the only one who didn’t know this???? Cool!

Exactly, no harm done’ ¦I cant see any angle in which i can twist this to be a bad thing‘ ¦’ ¦..

There isn’t one – it’s all good

So as I go to listen to TfM with my morning coffee ‘“

Q3- My morning cup of coffee has turned into an entire pot!

Tinawina- I must have misunderstood you. i thought you meant that Adam should be “family friendly” like Kelly Clarkson. I think Adam was family friendly on the most part for the show, , but only because he toned himself down for TV- Adam has always been out there. I don’t think he shoudl change for anyone to be family friendly.

The photos are beautiful. But remember …He’s gay, people!

It’s interesting to follow RCA’s campaign. They followed a similiar (more tame) campaign a few years back for another attractive Idol. Magazine covers, very sexy photoshoots, a provocative cover, tons of tabloid TV coverage. They always work with what they have. In her case it didn’t work because the music wasn’t very good.

I don’t see much simlarity to Kat Mcphee post-Idol and Adam. But I agree her music wasn’t good — it also wasn’t commercially relevant.

So if it is about the music, I think that we can safely say that Adam is headed down quite a different path. And as critics are reviewing his first single — it is getting great reviews. One example:

RichardRushfield: OMG, #timeformiracles…if i listen to this one more time im going to break the internet.. http://bit.ly/Bd9NG
about 5 hours ago from Brizzly

So in the end I’ll just say that this type of campaign sells mags, gets your name out but ultimately means nothing. Because nobody ever buys an album because of a hot photo shoot. The music will sell the album.

But nobody ever buys an album if they never heard of an artist — or his/her music. Promotion and PR builds awareness and name recogntion, which inspires some people to find out more about and singer the are not familiar with, and is how to expand a fanbase.

Third hand info through Leila. The way this article is written, he used drugs when he was depressed then used them again to have his ‘epiphany’ about changing his life’ ¦.not good impressions to leave out there about drugs. He needs to offset this by telling the story of how he stopped using and why’ ¦.and not just by saying they’re bad.

Adam told the “drug” story to Rolling Stone.

And, if there are young, impressionable kids out there reading Details to get drug info, the family has much bigger problems than confusion about drug use.

I also think it is possible to be an authentic performer and stay relatively family friendly’ ¦

Right! And God Bless those of them that do’ ¦

And the Universe bless those like Adam that dont, if its not in their nature to.

There’s enough room on God’s earth for the Kelly Clarksons and Adam Lamberts of this world, thank fuck! Which is what I think Tiwana was talking about in that post

About the “level” of Photoshopping…

I just side-by-side compared the Details headshot (here) against the candid shot of Adam backstage before “Ring of Fire” (here).

Jawline and neck just about identical in both shots. I don’t see any massive photoshopping. In both pics Adam is just posing with his shoulders pushed all the way down. Its not a “normal” stance, so that long neck and jutting jawline isn’t something we’ve often seen in Adam shots or vids, but it definitely makes for a very pretty still picture.

P.S. Thanks, Q3, for the link!

@halfie
I’m not sure, but I figure anthrogeek can speak for herself.

Whut? Am I the only one who didn’t know this???? Cool!

wow I didn’t know either. that is so cool.

There’s enough room on God’s earth for the Kelly Clarksons and Adam Lamberts of this world, thank fuck! Which is what I think Tiwana was talking about in that post

Yes I’m sure that’s what she was talking about. I was just citing the beginning of her post and commenting on it. l

So in the end I’ll just say that this type of campaign sells mags, gets your name out but ultimately means nothing. Because nobody ever buys an album because of a hot photo shoot. The music will sell the album.

You’re absolute right. How many albums did Kat McPhee sell with her open legs cover, plus numerous photo shoots in other magazines?

So in the end I’ll just say that this type of campaign sells mags, gets your name out but ultimately means nothing. Because nobody ever buys an album because of a hot photo shoot. The music will sell the album.

You’re absolute right. How many albums did Kat McPhee sell with her open legs cover, plus numerous photo shoots in other magazines?

No comparison.

No one will know the outcome until the album sales numbers come out. But seeing him still in the top 10 on Amazon makes me very hopefully.

There’s enough room on God’s earth for the Kelly Clarksons and Adam Lamberts of this world, thank fuck

And there goes my last sip of coffee!

So, who is this lucky girl? Anybody know? I’d love to hear exactly how this shoot went down, so to speak, like all the details!! What she do? Show up in a bathrobe with nothin underneath, then just drop it? Geez, to be a fly on the wall during this spread!!!!

I literally have my ac on high and I’m still sweating!

Adam is the hottest gay man on the face of the earth!!

brianrayguitar @Winks7619 @AdamLambert’s new Cd will be SO sick! If the other tracks are 1/2 this great…look out!! #AdamLambert

This is from Paul McCartney’s guitarist, who I assume is doing some session work on a few of Adam’s tracks. Seriously has anyone worked with Adam who hasn’t gushed about him yet?

Thanks for the new Sebree photo, Sunn. ITA

I also think it is possible to be an authentic performer and stay relatively family friendly’ ¦

There’s enough room on God’s earth for the Kelly Clarksons and Adam Lamberts of this world, thank fuck! Which is what I think Tiwana was talking about in that post

If someone is looking for “Family friendly”, the I don’t think that Adam is their guy! But there is plenty of “family friendly” entertainment out there. You can have JoBros and Miley and all the Disney artists and almost everyone who was ever an Idol finalist.

But only 20.2% of Americans are under 16, so who about something for the rest of us!

Note: if my son was under 16 I would have no problem if he liked and admired Adam — I think Adam is a great role model — people aren’t perfect and role models don’t need to be either. Don’t forget about those glass houses.

If Adam is being true to himself, then I have no problems with these photos. I do wonder though if those around him felt the need to conjure up more controversy in order to sell albums. If so, they are doing Adam an injustice. We love him for his magnificent talent and who he is. His albums will sell BIG. All the rest is irrelevant.

“Well your moms may not want to sleep with Adam but have you asked your grandmothers? He does seem to have a large group of 60-70 year old fans. Maybe it’s the Elvis thing”

I’m in this group, and I don’t want to sleep with him..I just want to protect him and love him as a grandmother would…Now Elvis was a different story…he does remind me of Elvis and stirs up old feelings from my teen years…

You can have JoBros and Miley

You must have never seen the pole dancing performance on Tv by Miley- or the racy photoshoot of her AND HER FATHER, lol.

JoBros, i got nothing.

So, who is this lucky girl? Anybody know? I’d love to hear exactly how this shoot went down, so to speak, like all the details!! What she do? Show up in a bathrobe with nothin underneath, then just drop it? Geez, to be a fly on the wall during this spread!!!!

I know! I’ll bet that with Adam’s terrific sense of humor, they had a ton of fun doing the shoot!

realvivi
October 18, 2009 at 3:01 am
new sebree photoshoot
Adam picking his nose.. How adorable!haha

Tee Hee, yes, at first glance.
http://gossipcandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/adamnew.jpg

Frankly, in many ways this photo is as sensual as the Details photos – Adam is posed in front of vaulted arches, open hips, red gloves – blatant sex symbolism for an adult. It’s apparent his photoshoots are part of a coordinated campaign to get Adam out of the “gay singer” box and into a “male sex symbol for all” brand.

All the comparisons with Madonna just don’t sit quite right with me, and I’ve been thinking about why. I was a teenager in the 80s and enjoyed Madonna’s music and antics, but she always seemed to have such a hard edge’ ¦.to be so ego-centric. I’m not trying to dis Madonna; this is just my perception.

ITA. It’s the same reason that the Lady GaGa analogy doesn’t work for me. She comes across in interviews as guarded and self-edited and and I don’t get any sense of her other than as a character she is trying to portray. Which is fine, and I like some of her music, but doesn’t make me relate to her.
Adam on the other hand, is refreshingly real and honest and unfiltered, which is a large part of his appeal.
At the end of the day, he wants to love and be loved, wants to do the work he adores, and wants to be accepted for who he is. Just like everybody else.

(And I don’t need Adam to tell me why drugs are bad. I can figure that out for myself.)

summerskin: brianrayguitar @Winks7619 @AdamLambert’s new Cd will be SO sick! If the other tracks are 1/2 this great’ ¦look out!! #AdamLambert

This is from Paul McCartney’s guitarist, who I assume is doing some session work on a few of Adam’s tracks. Seriously has anyone worked with Adam who hasn’t gushed about him yet?

Yes, there was a recording session of 10/16/09:
Brian Ray – guitar bass guitar
Abe Laboriel Jr. – drums
Brian Ray tweeted that it wasn’t a Cavallo session but said it was secret for now.

brianrayguitar: @OutlandoGirl yeah it was NUTS! flooded. 200 new followers in an hour! It was not Cavallo today and the rest is secret for now.
10:15 PM Oct 16th from web in reply to OutlandoGirl

brianrayguitar: the session for AdamLambert w Abe Jr was AWEsome! Welcome to my new friends here. AL ROCKS! [So does my boss, Paul McCartney].
9:18 PM Oct 16th from web

Both are members of Paul McCartney’s band — they record and tour with him.

There was also an Adam recording session that involved Dr Luke on 10/16.10/16

realvivi
October 18, 2009 at 8:31 am
IS this new?
Adam in Style Magazine

some interesting parts from
http://www.adam-lambert.net/gallery/albums/Mags/InStyle/IMG_0021.jpg

Favorite discovery The iPhone. I love the Bump app that lets you exchange contact information with someone by bumping your phones together, and SpeakEasy is really great for recording vocals

Signature Scent Dior Homme. It’s so yummy.

Style icons David Bowie, Marc Bolan, Mick Jagger, Steven Tyler, Prince, and Michael Jackson were big influences on me.

Fashion Faves Gareth Pugh has a men’s line that’s unbelievable. There’s SkinGraft, an L.A. design house that made a lot of my leather jackets and accessories on Idol, Brian Lichtenberg, who does holographic leggings and sweatshirts, Diesel jeans, and Loree Rodkin jewelry.

Drink of choice… I’m addicted to those 5-Hour Energy shots and unsweetened iced coffees.

Beauty essentials… OPI nail polish, MAC Smolder eyeliner, and Bed Head styling products

Necessary extravagance… Manicures. Often I paint my own nails, but on tour there’s a manicurist on-site — and she does a much better job!

If I didn’t audition for Idol… I would still be a chorus boy in Wicked in Los Angeles.

Second pic – TOMT
captioned Cry Baby
“For Motown Week, I sang “The Tracks of My Tears”. I’m in a Zara suit — one of my few repeats. We figured if it was a long time between performances, people would forget.”

Tinawina- I must have misunderstood you. i thought you meant that Adam should be ‘family friendly’  like Kelly Clarkson. I think Adam was family friendly on the most part for the show, , but only because he toned himself down for TV- Adam has always been out there. I don’t think he shoudl change for anyone to be family friendly.

Oh, now I get it! Well, I agree with you. Others are correct in interpreting what I meant.. there are all kind of entertainers, and they should all stay true to who they are. I’ll try to be clearer going forward!

I felt like AI was just another ‘Disney’ . Bringing on acts who were just imitators of acts already out, or it was a popularity contest.

I know that’s always been one of the major perceptions around idol. Its kind of depressing for me, because I never thought of people like Kelly or Fantasia (for example) as copycats of anyone else, but I can totally see how that can happen because Idol does have some alums along those lines.

Adam told the ‘drug’  story to Rolling Stone.

And, if there are young, impressionable kids out there reading Details to get drug info, the family has much bigger problems than confusion about drug use.

Yes and it glamorized the taking of acid to have his epiphany there as well. There is nothing glamorus about taking acid for any reason and why people continue to gloss this over I’ll never know.

(And I don’t need Adam to tell me why drugs are bad. I can figure that out for myself.)

Maybe you can, but there are many confused individuals out there who can’t.

If Adam is being true to himself, then I have no problems with these photos. I do wonder though if those around him felt the need to conjure up more controversy in order to sell albums. If so, they are doing Adam an injustice. We love him for his magnificent talent and who he is. His albums will sell BIG. All the rest is irrelevant.

Yes they are.

How can he get even more beautiful, and he does….

Someone posted a long transcript of part of the article in Details Magazine on NyMichael, but I like this one:

Simon Fuller, the Great Oz behind the show and one of the most successful producers in history (Idol sales alone have generated close to $100 million), explains Lamberz’s appeal as a matter of genuinely unique talen and natural charisma.

“His voice is second to none,” Fuller says. “It’s up there with the all-time great singers I’ve come across. Many millions of people have already fallen in love with him. He’s got that glint in his eye, wheter you’re gay , whatever, it’s just attractive. He’s just a very sexual guy – and he’s not threathening to women.”

Yes … love Simon Fuller.

I know that’s always been one of the major perceptions around idol. Its kind of depressing for me, because I never thought of people like Kelly or Fantasia (for example) as copycats of anyone else, but I can totally see how that can happen because Idol does have some alums along those lines.

Actually, I don’t think there is anyone out there like a lot of the Idol finalists. The one who has been successful who is a bit of a “clone” is Daughtry. But I think a lot of the music — including Kelly’s — sounds just like everything that is our there. Jordin is a perfect example.

I know that TfM is not much like what is on Adam’s album — but I would know that that was Adam singing it within 15 seconds because he just sound like Adam Lambert. And only a handful of popular vocalists are like that — none from Idol.

By comparison, if I took Kelly’s name off of her last 4 singles, no one would be sure who it was. Same for every other Idol alum.

About the promo. I don’t think magazine spreads sell music but all this promo is carefully thought out. Yesterday, TFM leaked on iTunes so that would have normally been a big event. These pics kind of overshadowed it but if Details is a monthly (don’t know), his pic on the cover will be there to add to the buzz for the album release.

RCA always throws it all against the wall right before the album release.
They spend a ton of $ on promo and are quick to drop artists who don’t sell platinum. Jive on the other hand is a “cheap” label who relies heavily on radio. However, they haven’t dropped an Idol artist yet and seem satisfied if they get Top 40 hits.

Kat and Adam are getting a somewhat similiar roll out. Magazine covers, emphasis on sex and tabloid buzz. I’m not comparing them as artists though.

By comparison, if I took Kelly’s name off of her last 4 singles, no one would be sure who it was. Same for every other Idol alum.

Very true. There are few artists on the radio that are recognizable by voice alone. Even David C, I love his voice but has the same growl as many other rock/ pop/rock singers have.

Marketing ploy to get straight women to buy the magazine for their husbands and significant others?

I wasn’t familiar with this magazine so had to google it. It’s market apparently is mid 20 to mid 30, upwardly mobile, fashion conscious, male professionals with a libertarian political bent. I think I would find this magazine more in the bathrooms or on the coffee tables of my gay friends/family than any of the straight ones. Make of that what you will.

From the article, I get that Adam is foremost a business man and he is the product. He is bothered by Idol fans sense of entitlement and they did not make him. Their votes certainly got him to where he is, but they voted for the product he created.

I am disturbed by his references to his past drug and alcohol use (abuse) and I’ve never seen him say that is all in the past. He comes across as those being instrumental in his finding himself and embracing the benefit of those experiences. I’m bothered by this.

Much of Adam is role play and, I think, naivete on what he thinks a rock star is and should be. It’s a stereotype and I would much rather Adam be a true iconoclast and break down.

The photos? No real emotion, robotic, and woman as prop does nothing for me. What is with Adam’s neck in the main photo on this article here? Bad scan?

If Adam is being true to himself, then I have no problems with these photos. I do wonder though if those around him felt the need to conjure up more controversy in order to sell albums. If so, they are doing Adam an injustice. We love him for his magnificent talent and who he is. His albums will sell BIG. All the rest is irrelevant.

Yes they are.

I don’t feel they’re conjuring up controversy just to sell albums, exactly. It goes beyond that, IMO. I think they’re showing this very contemporary, urban side to a potentially untapped market segment (young, urban males) for whom they want to extricate Adam from the Idol bubble. Those pics don’t equate with the American Idol image, and I think that’s what they’re after. Hopefully, of course, that will translate into broadening his fan base and selling albums to this new market segment.

The thing is, though, IMO, these pictures aren’t revealing anything new about Adam that his fans didn’t already know so I don’t think the theme behind them is contrived in any way. Anyone who has done even the slightest internet research on Adam could come up with a plethora of pics and videos that highlight his overtly sensual side. They’ve just captured this aspect of Adam in an artistic, and in my opinion, edgily beautiful way to pique the interest of their target audience.

Adam is open and honest and has no problem talking about his past, present and hopes of the future. I think it’s rare and refreshing that he feel safe enough to do so. There may be a point when he won’t be so open and these same people will be snarking about he’s hiding something. Sometimes you just can’t win.

Part of the buzz is that someone from Idol is posing for these types of pics. So Idol is in the mix (notice the headline on the cover). So he’s not exactly escaping from Idol. Just using it to create more interest in himself.

Actually, I don’t think there is anyone out there like a lot of the Idol finalists. The one who has been successful who is a bit of a ‘clone’  is Daughtry. But I think a lot of the music ‘” including Kelly’s ‘” sounds just like everything that is our there. Jordin is a perfect example.

I know that TfM is not much like what is on Adam’s album ‘” but I would know that that was Adam singing it within 15 seconds because he just sound like Adam Lambert. And only a handful of popular vocalists are like that ‘” none from Idol.

By comparison, if I took Kelly’s name off of her last 4 singles, no one would be sure who it was. Same for every other Idol alum.

Completely disagree, a lot of vocalists from idol have instantly recognizable voices that stands out from the crowd, it doesn’t take me more than one line to recognize Jennifer Hudson, Fantasia or Kelly Clarkson.

And even tough I like it, saying that Adam’s music is “different” based on TFM is kind of a joke, it sounds just like a lot of classic rock ballads and a credits song, they even used the riff from Kashmir on it, nothing original.

Bye bye pictures – hunt for magazine is now ON !!

MJ I hope you didn’t get in any trouble?

Continuing creative dissent: This is B- work.

Naked chick/clothed guy is every other page in “lad mags” for decades. Naked chick is non-thinking art director “arty” fall-back in fashion ads.

There is no innovation here. Or any effort, at all, to portray the distinctive reasons why “Every woman in America wants to sleep with Adam Lambert.” That would have been work striving for excellence. That didn’t happen. Where’s Adam’s personality? His eyes are closed, he never looks at camera. Where’s the fire, spunk, vulnerability, individuality, special anything that makes Adam Lambert worthy of the cover, the article, all the underwear thrown on stage, and universal American female lust.

It’s just pictures. That man could be anyone at all. If there are any straight guys who read Details, they’ve seen this same shot a gazillion times. Nothing here to impress them about Adam. Or make them more interested in him or his music. Nothing distinctive or unique.

It could be models. The people don’t have expressions that connect to any particular situation or each other. In the centerfold they could be in two different shots expression wise. Would have made more sense with his eyes engaging the camera, hers closed in reverie. The never showing him – the cover star of the issue – looking at camera is particularly odd. Especially a guy with such revealing eyes. It keeps him more a model. Not a particular, distinct, mesmerizing entertainer.

Art would have made an effort to investigate the star, pictorially, the star’s uniqueness, the way the article is supposed to do. (And it’s a repetitive article. Like Rolling Stone rip-off.) This is average fashion shoot stuff without even any fashion.

PR wise, Adam’s first shoot portraying sexy poses with a woman would better have been reserved for a wider audience and an environment he could have controlled artistically. And been as inventive and pioneering as he is. And actually sexy.

The wet t-shirt, head shot is at least a decent fashion shot. Though, again, not portraying the subject, just making a picture. Adam has a long neck, and, ironicallly, no Adam’s Apple. It’s the camera angle and the stark white line of the dipping T-shirt neckline that look unusual. Because it’s artificially posed.

Those who enjoy the shots, have a good time. It’s squandered “first time” opportunity, IMHO. With little pay off outside the fan base. Well, except for ET tomorrow. The video looks more interesting than the print.

Kat and Adam are getting a somewhat similiar roll out. Magazine covers, emphasis on sex and tabloid buzz. I’m not comparing them as artists though.

I believe Adam’s rollout doesn’t look like any new artist ever — first artist without a released record to be asked to perform on the AMAs ever, featured song in two of the largest global releases of all time (number of simultaneous screens), 4 national mag covers before single released, GMA Fall concert week of Black Friday, and so on.

That said — I would love to hear Adam duet with Andrea Bocelli like Kat did — since he is my favorite classical tenor.

But I would die of laughter if Adam did any promos similar to these Kat events:

6/2006: Kat performed at the J.C. Penney Jam: Concert for America’s Kids soloing with “Somewhere Over the Rainbow” — Adam channeling his inner Judy Garland.

6/2006: Katharine performed “Somewhere Over the Rainbow” during the inaugural ceremony of the new Princess Cruises ship Crown Princess. — Adam already did his cruise ship gig when he was 19 but OK Adam plays Judy Garland and sings SOtR on a cruise ship.

I would rather hear Adam sign this — it would probably be a hit song.

“The Love Boat” by Paul Williams and Charles Fox

Love, exciting and new
Come Aboard. We’re expecting you.
Love, life’s sweetest reward.
Let it flow, it floats back to you.

Love won’t hurt anymore
It’s an open smile on a friendly shore.
It’s LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! It’s LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! It’s
LOOOOOOOOOOOVE!
It’s the Love Boat-ah! It’s the Love Boat-ah!

Kat was also featured 24/7 on Access Hollywood and ET. She was also on the cover of InStyle,, Shape and various fashion magazine (I think).
Adam is getting way more media but it wasn’t all chopped liver for Kat.

But Adam is def getting incredible promo. He’s getting Cook plus. So if he doesn’t have great sales, no one can blame RCA for not trying.

So do the powers at be try to go across the internet world now and remove all the pics? Seems like an impossible task.

Actually, I don’t think there is anyone out there like a lot of the Idol finalists. The one who has been successful who is a bit of a ‘clone’  is Daughtry. But I think a lot of the music ‘” including Kelly’s ‘” sounds just like everything that is our there. Jordin is a perfect example.

I know that TfM is not much like what is on Adam’s album ‘” but I would know that that was Adam singing it within 15 seconds because he just sound like Adam Lambert. And only a handful of popular vocalists are like that ‘” none from Idol.

By comparison, if I took Kelly’s name off of her last 4 singles, no one would be sure who it was. Same for every other Idol alum.

Well sorta. I think we’re talking about 2 different things. Recognizable voices and distinct musical personas. I think a number of idol folks have instantly recognizable voices …. I would but Fanny at the top of that list, and probably Taylor. I don’t think anyone sounds like Archie. Others who have not been as successful.. Paris Bennett, for instance… have distinct vocal styles. So I do not agree that no one from idol has had a unique voice.

Now as far as a musical persona… I would say that Kelly’s Breakaway album carved out a new space for her, where no one else was quite doing what she was doing at the time. Blake did as well, he stood out from what was going on in music at that moment. And I don’t think Daughtry is the only example of someone who was a bit clone-ish.. Carrie was Faith Hill 2.0 to me (she did it very well, but she was not breaking new ground there), And Jordin aped a long line cookie cutter pop acts, like Kat McPhee tired to do before her. I could go on and on.

All I’m saying is that the people from Idol are not all the same, some do have distinctive voices and personas, and I think its unfortunate when they all get painted with the same brush.

@jpfan
But Adam is def getting incredible promo. He’s getting Cook plus. So if he doesn’t have great sales, no one can blame RCA for not trying.

I’m sure that he will sell more than the winner Kris.

I totally agree with FifthHouseSun on these photos, didn’t like them at all. I don’t like the objectification of women in this way, no matter if it’s been done before or if every magazine in the world does it and that has certainly nothing to do with an AI bubble or being prude as has been implied in this thread.

These photos are not provocative, because nothing is happening! We see a dead female and a sleeping Adam, both seems much better off in their own world, they don’t even notice each other. You want provocative? Do something that feels!

The only provocative with the photos in my opinion is the acceptance of stereotypes.

FifthHouseSun: Continuing creative dissent: This is B- work.

Naked chick/clothed guy is every other page in ‘lad mags’  for decades. Naked chick is non-thinking art director ‘arty’  fall-back in fashion ads.
PR wise, Adam’s first shoot portraying sexy poses with a woman would better have been reserved for a wider audience and an environment he could have controlled artistically. And been as inventive and pioneering as he is. And actually sexy.

The wet t-shirt, head shot is at least a decent fashion shot. Though, again, not portraying the subject, just making a picture. Adam has a long neck, and, ironicallly, no Adam’s Apple. It’s the camera angle and the stark white line of the dipping T-shirt neckline that look unusual. Because it’s artificially posed.

It’s squandered ‘first time’  opportunity, IMHO. With little pay off outside the fan base. Well, except for ET tomorrow. The video looks more interesting than the print.

FHS — you make some excellent points as always. But I this the the photography is a mixed bag — I give the cover an A, the lead article portait an B+ and the Adam with the model photos a B-. But the photo style matches Details — which isn’t really a place for “art” photography.

But I disagree about squandered PR opportunity.

1. Details average audience is 1.3 million — the November Music issue has higher readership — and the demos match the core music buying market.

2. Just like the RS article, this article is getting additional press coverage — not just ET but other print publications — and the message the is being picked up is “Adam is a New American Sex Symbol”.

3. I am certain that mosts Details subscribers didn’t read the Rolling Stone article. And since this was written in August, there wasn’t a lot of new things to talk about yet.

4. I am glad that “Adam with a woman” is not the “signature” photo essay about Adam.

Finally, I will withhold judgement on 109/RCA/Sony’s Adam launch until the album is released because I know there is a lot more in the pipeline. But so far I think that the total launch campaign has been pretty great. The only real oddity IMO was the release of TfM in Italy and BeNeLux — it now apprears it may have been intentional to kick off a viral marketing campaign — but it seems braindead to me.

What I take away from this photo shoot is simple: Sexy is sexy. It doesn’t matter if you are gay,straight, bi, etc… I think the photos are hot… Adam has said repeatedly that he finds women sexy and pretty, and though it isn’t his preference, he is not at all uncomfortable kissing women and being close. He is a very sexual person, and I happen to love the pics. And btw, if he was posing with a naked man, I would like the pics just as much!

jpfan: But Adam is def getting incredible promo. He’s getting Cook plus. So if he doesn’t have great sales, no one can blame RCA for not trying.

ITA!

I haven’t seen this posted yet:

@Winks7619 @AdamLambert’s new Cd will be SO sick! If the other tracks are 1/2 this great…look out!! #AdamLambert
about 8 hours ago from web in reply to Winks7619

brianrayguitar

Brian Ray is Sir Paul’s guitarist.

Utter squeee.

I think FifthHouseSun’s artistic evaluation is excellent, but (as art) the photos struck me differently. I interpret Adam’s closed eyes to communicate that this is a fantasy for him. It’s meant to convey some degree of awkwardness and make the viewer feel slightly uncomfortable. Whether it works artisticly is, of course, highly subjective.

By comparison, if I took Kelly’s name off of her last 4 singles, no one would be sure who it was.

Well, I disagree. A lot. Kelly, and also Carrie, have very distinctive voices, imo. I love them both, and Adam too. Not sure what that says about me, ha. I like talented people, I guess?

I’ve missed the photos, I see. Oh well.

I’d like to weigh in on the intended demographic 19 is trying to target with this Details shoot, because I am very familiar with the mag.

I have 2 sons in the intended demographic of Details. One reads it as does all of his friends. He is 27, fashion conscious and forward engineer entrepreneur, with money to spend on his joys: his fiance(yes, he is straight as someone mentioned this is a gay targeted mag), his mistubishi eclipse and his music….

He has been reading Details for a few years, so I bought him a gift sub last year-had it delivered to my home(he has his own condo) so I could see what the fuss was about-

I sold high end men’s clothing in my younger years-this mag is a younger, hipper GQ, with higher end clothing for younger guys, for men with money to spend.

That same son laughs at my interest, ok-obsession with AL-cause he says, mom not kind of music, he is real gay and not my taste…

His friends think the same way about AL. However, i was able to interest my son’s fiance in Adam, and she is a country music lover. Which performance interested the most on AI-yep, Ring of Fire and she was a Johnny Cash fan, but she is 25 years old and thought this was how Johnny could have done it if he was young and hip today.

19 and RCA want to target the hetero 20-30 guys who buy LOTS of music, who think the Adam is to GAY acting for their taste. They don’t care that he is gay, they care that he acts gay….(if you know what I mean)

The hetero shoot helps re-shape these music buyers’ opinions a bit

@sybiltry this, I think these are still up

http://www.popculturejunkie.net/profiles/blogs/american-sex-symbol

jpfan

But Adam is def getting incredible promo. He’s getting Cook plus. So if he doesn’t have great sales, no one can blame RCA for not trying.

Q3

ITA!

I completely agree as well. No one can ever cast Adam as the casualty of an evil label. Not least because he himself has repeatedly taken responsibility for the choice of music and musical direction. There will be no victims in this tale.

I’ve refused to buy an American Idol CD because I don’t like the way he combs his hair

OMG – me too!!!

I’ve missed the photos, I see. Oh well.

Photos very easy to find on the internet. Google is your friend.

halfie
October 18, 2009 at 11:27 am

I think FifthHouseSun’s artistic evaluation is excellent, but (as art) the photos struck me differently. I interpret Adam’s closed eyes to communicate that this is a fantasy for him. It’s meant to convey some degree of awkwardness and make the viewer feel slightly uncomfortable. Whether it works artisticly is, of course, highly subjective.

I have a similar interpretation of the pics as you. I thought that the pics were very appropriate for the context of the article.

saga: I totally agree with FifthHouseSun on these photos, didn’t like them at all. I don’t like the objectification of women in this way, no matter if it’s been done before or if every magazine in the world does it and that has certainly nothing to do with an AI bubble or being prude as has been implied in this thread.

These photos are not provocative, because nothing is happening! We see a dead female and a sleeping Adam, both seems much better off in their own world, they don’t even notice each other. You want provocative? Do something that feels!

The only provocative with the photos in my opinion is the acceptance of stereotypes.

I also dislike the objectification of women or men when it is used to diminish a person. But I don’t think that is what was intended inthese photos. I believe that the women is these photos is intended to be symbolic and therefore is an “object” in the photos BUT that they intentional did not want to portray Adam as being realistically sexually intimate with a women. IMO that would have been wrong.

I think the photos are “provocative” because they are provoking a massive amount of buzz all over the web. Over 2,000 comments and almost 70,000 views of the Details thread on IDF, well over 100 pages of comments on the Details thread on ONTD_AI, etc. Plus, the overwhelming response from the posters is that the photos are “hot”.

Finally, what stereotype? — that an openly gay man is an new American sex symbol — and sexually appealing to millions of women. Not a stereotype I am familiar with in American Pop Culture.

Funny how they are racing across the net to take them down. They’ve been removed from Rickey’s site too with the same disclaimer as MJ’s. Do they have some poor intern on the phone working like mad on a Sunday to get cyber space to remove some very popular photos. Poor dude….what a day he’ll have.

alaadam: nny how they are racing across the net to take them down. They’ve been removed from Rickey’s site too with the same disclaimer as MJ’s. Do they have some poor intern on the phone working like mad on a Sunday to get cyber space to remove some very popular photos. Poor dude’ ¦.what a day he’ll have.

They will never put this back in the bottle! But interesting that they are working so hard to do it!

Just a random thought…. If pictures like this had been taken pre-Idol I doubt TPTB would have let him on the show. But since it’s after the show they give their blessing?

Would TPTB reaction be different if it had been a female contestant with some male model? I bet it would be.

IMO, nothing new. It’s been done before: Madonna’s Sex book, Madonna’s… just about anything Madonna.

Sure he’s getting a lot of buzz. Unfortunately it’s about things other than his music – which for me puts him more in the category of being famous for being famous along with the Hilton sisters. Hopefully his post-Idol cd will finally get people to talk about music rather than what guy or girl he’s wearing.

Wow these are pretty racy photos. lol

I also dislike the objectification of women or men when it is used to diminish a person. But I don’t think that is what was intended inthese photos. I believe that the women is these photos is intended to be symbolic and therefore is an ‘object’  in the photos

I don’t agree. She is naked and vulnerable, he is fully clothed and in control. To me she has no personality, she looks dead (and he is sleeping). She is no threat at all. As a symbol for a woman, I’d say that sucks.

Sorry, I didn’t like these photos and it has nothing to do with Adam being with a woman (I wouldn’t call that a woman though, that’s a dead fish). I just think this was a really bad photoshoot even if he looks gourgeous.

If we are going to discuss objectification, if you look closely at the ‘intent’ of both the article and photo shoot, the girl is not the ‘object’, ADAM is.

He is the unattainable ‘object’ of women’s desire.

The article tells the story that Adam has smashed the belief that men have believed, erroneously, forever, that women would never find a gay man attractive in a sexual way. The article addresses this and the photo shoot addresses this- the girl in the photo shoot desires HIM and is trying to entice the ‘object’ of her desire…The article supports this…The photo captions support this…

on an unrelated note, Adam’s brother has addressed the fake twitter that uses his name(and he is not amused):

http://negativeneil.com/

But Adam is def getting incredible promo. He’s getting Cook plus. So if he doesn’t have great sales, no one can blame RCA for not trying.

Yep.

I’m sure that he will sell more than the winner Kris.

I’m not. Anything can happen in the Fall.

another great review for TFM:

http://bringdabeatback.blogspot.com/2009/10/adam-lambert-time-for-miracles-song_17.html

Beautiful Adam so marvelous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAeEZ6WSkJk

who’s gonna win this??:

http://i37.tinypic.com/2qbt8h2.jpg

Editted to say the PIC is to die for, IMO….

Great photos! Very artisticly done. Can’t wait for the magazine to come out in a week or 2!

I’m sure that he will sell more than the winner Kris.

I’m not. Anything can happen in the Fall.

…and maybe it’s time for miracles…..

From AO:
http://www.adamofficial.com/node/821343

DETAILS content page

“WHY DOES EVERY WOMAN IN AMERICA WANT TO SLEEP WITH ADAM LAMBERT?
The New king of pop is a gay guy who overdoes it with the eyeliner and nail polish, but the girls who throw their panties at him–and try to make out with him backstage–don’t mind.”
By Nancy Jo Sales

On the Contributors page:

ALEXEI HAY
“I knew nothing about Adam Lambert before the shoot other than that he was gay and gothic,” photographer Alexei Hay says of this month’s cover subject. “So I didn’t have a problem asking if he would be okay with a naked girl close to him.” See just how close–and how naked–in “Why Does Every Woman in America Want to Sleep With Adam Lambert?” (page 112). Hay recalls: “I think I said, ‘Adam, today you are going to confront the vagina.’ Without missing a beat, he shot back, I’m down.’ and settled into place between the model’s legs.” Hay lives in New York and has shot for The New York Times Magazine.

NANCY JO SALES
Vanity Fair contributing editor Nancy Jo Sales, who wrote “Why Does Every Woman in American Want to Sleep With Adam Lambert?” (page 112), has interviewed celebrities like Angelina Jolie and Hugh Hefner but thinks the American Idol performers have their own appeal. “Reality-show stars are much more accessible because they were recently real people.” Sales says. “They’re sort of unspoiled and fresh.” True to form, Lambert talked about the drugs he’d used, when he lost his virginity, and how, Sales says, “he wouldn’t rule out making out with a sexy girl who came on to him, just for the fun of it. As he says, why not?”

who’s gonna win this??: http://i37.tinypic.com/2qbt8h2.jpg

Ha. I wish it was me. lol

4evrmomof4
October 18, 2009 at 11:50 am
who’s gonna win this??:

http://i37.tinypic.com/2qbt8h2.jpg

Me!!!! ‘Cept I wanna shoot it, not pose for it. I wonder if they’ll offer that option if a person promises to bring their own camera gear…. and fig leaf…

who’s gonna win this??: http://i37.tinypic.com/2qbt8h2.jpg

They are going to do a random drawing to pick someone to do a photoshoot with Adam! That means he gets another article!

I really can’t imagine what Details is up to — that intern is going to be busy. I suppose they feel if they get them off of the big hubs like MJs, Rickey, AINOw that fewer people will see them. There’s probably some truth to that, but still….

I just really don’t think it’s a big deal. Really. I think all this talk about photos is nuts. Adam was offered this and he accepted it. He wasn’t the person who came up with the concept for the photoshoot. He acted the theme according to what he was told to do by a photographer. Not everything has to be deep. All you have to do is see his interviews to know that he loves to dress-up and roll play.

not sure if a transcript of the Details article was ever posted that eveyone could link to

http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=630732&st=1580

credit to ontd_ai and IDF

For the album, 19 entertainment has paired Lambert with some of the best pop producers in the music industry, including Greg Wells, who has worked with Katy Perry and Kelly Clarkson. “The surprise is, that he’s also a gifted songwriter,” says Wells.

I’m glad this comment was in the article, since the question of whether Adam “could write or co-write a song” has been asked many times on this blog. I always suspected he had the ability because he is intelligent, articulate and passionate. His interviews show someone who is a deep-thinker, open-minded, and aware of the universe.
I would also venture to say that Adam helped with the actual music and styling of some of the songs. Was there any other idol on tour that changed their songs the way Adam did? Every night was different-not just in the perfomance of the songs, but in the vocal delivery of the songs. He may not “play an instrument” (other than his 4 octave voice) but he obviously understands music and has a talent for interpretation and delivery.

halfie: I really can’t imagine what Details is up to ‘” that intern is going to be busy. I suppose they feel if they get them off of the big hubs like MJs, Rickey, AINOw that fewer people will see them. There’s probably some truth to that, but still’ ¦.

There are complete transcripts of the article and every mention of Adam in the entire magazine and there must be thousands of downloads of those photos already. It too late. I don’t think that these folks realize just who they are dealing with!

Adam’s giftedness fascinates me and he is an incredibly beautiful man. And so often I’m smitten by his sweet heart. The pictures are definitely hot ‘“ soooo hot – but they disappoint me.

Interesting how people are discussing them as art. Two beautiful people and a talented photographer don’t necessarily add up to remarkable art. For me, art inspires new perspectives on beauty, courage, compassion, etc. These pictures are nothing new or innovative. They are all about how sex sells ‘“ it sells magazines and albums.

Interesting how people are surprised that pictures like this might disappoint some fans ‘“ and those fans are instantly categorized as not really true Adam fans. Though I’ve never expected him to be ‘PG’  rated, he has said he wants to be a role model for kids (Top 36 interview, i.e.). Or’ ¦maybe he didn’t mean that. But I think he did.

For me, these pictures are incongruent with the goal of role model to kids. I have a 12 yr old son and these pictures don’t send me running to him saying ‘I want you to be like this when you are 27.’  And I think of the thousands of 12/14 year old Adam fangirls (or fanguys, I suppose) who may likely run to someone in their real life in attempt to create the fantasy portrayed in these pictures. IMO these pictures do not inspire wise choices for young people.

Entertainment that screams sex and suggests that the best I was made for is to dance and party rarely adds up to ‘art’  for me. As cheesy as AI can be, the platform exposed that Adam’s giftedness and creativity go way beyond the mere ability to sell purely sexual themes.

If Adam’s goal is to be everyone’s fantasy, he’s certainly on his way to astounding levels of success. If he believes he was made for more than that ‘“ and I truly hope he does ‘“ I will be glad for any and all glimpses of ‘more than.’ 

There are complete transcripts of the article and every mention of Adam in the entire magazine and there must be thousands of downloads of those photos already. It too late. I don’t think that these folks realize just who they are dealing with!

Yes. It’s funny. Google for them and the first three or four links have content removed like MJs. But then the next, oh, two dozen are all still there.

Plus, I have it on good authority that they are on terra’s hard drive.

I also dislike the objectification of women or men when it is used to diminish a person. But I don’t think that is what was intended in these photos.

First I agree. I have been reading post after post on these pics. Here is my take. I don’t think the photo’s objectify women at all. If anything Adam is being objectified. To me this is representative of a woman’s fantasy. (Look at the cover of any number of romance novels.) Adam is the object of a fantasy from a woman’s perspective. If this was a man’s fantasy the woman would be idolizing him not him idolizing her. I get the feeling the woman in these pics is in charge especially the one of her sitting on his lap. I also think this is appealing to the “straight” man. First everyone is sort of forgetting the big ‘Pink Elephant” in the room. As one post said her son said Adam is gay. These pics to a straight man lends to the idea that Adam does find women on some level attractive. This a straight men can understand. Won’t make Adam totally acceptable but will make him tolerable enough that a straight guy who has issues with the gay aspect might now listen to his music. Look at Bowie, Jaggar, Rod Stewart, just to name of few. These Rock stars always played with the bi-sexual angle. Straight men though may not have liked the stories of say Bowie and Jaggar found in bed together, but were ok with it because these Rock stars also were attracted to woman. In our society we have had many stars we adore who are straight play with the idea of being attracted to the same sex. (Cindy Crawford anyone) This is the first time I can think of that the reverse is being put out there. Why not? I love Adam’s voice and Adam the person that I have heard in interviews and on AI. Sometime his performances are a little out there and I am not loving them but it does not make me immediately hate him and refuse to buy his music. If I as person dismissed everyone that I felt did something that I found offensive or not to my liking, I would be a very lonely person with no one in my life and no music to listen too. Have a great day and I am looking forward to more of what Adam will bring. ADAMSTORM

butte009
October 18, 2009 at 11:43 am

Just a random thought’ ¦. If pictures like this had been taken pre-Idol I doubt TPTB would have let him on the show. But since it’s after the show they give their blessing?

Maybe if it was the first or second season, but not anymore. I can’t remember any of these people’s names or what season, I’m sure someone else does, but in the last few seasons we’ve had,
Contestant XXX (male) who danced nearly nude at a gay strip joint and there were pictures of him with men. He made the top 12?

Contestant Antoinette something-or-other who had been a nearly nude model. She made the top 10?

The guy that accused Paula of having an affair with him had domestic violence charges. He beat up his sister I think. He made it to the top 5?

I’m sure there are more scandals I don’t remember.

butte009
October 18, 2009 at 11:43 am

Just a random thought’ ¦. If pictures like this had been taken pre-Idol I doubt TPTB would have let him on the show. But since it’s after the show they give their blessing?

The biggest difference is they are no longer using Adam to sell TV advertising. They are using him to sell records. Very different.

Sure he’s getting a lot of buzz. Unfortunately it’s about things other than his music ‘“ which for me puts him more in the category of being famous for being famous along with the Hilton sisters. Hopefully his post-Idol cd will finally get people to talk about music rather than what guy or girl he’s wearing.

I disagree. He’s gotten lots of buzz about the Amazon pre-orders, prospective AMA performance, TFM, etc. He was just in EW talking about his music, as well as being on many a “most anticipated CD” list in a variety of magazines and newspapers.

Pretty impressive since he doesn’t actually have any music out yet (except the TFM leak, which isn’t really HIS music).

butte009: Just a random thought’ ¦. If pictures like this had been taken pre-Idol I doubt TPTB would have let him on the show. But since it’s after the show they give their blessing?

I really doubt it. There are ad photos for major brands that are “racier” than this. Anyway, I don’t think these photos are as “racy” as some of the pre-Idol Adam photos — and he was on the show.

halfie: Plus, I have it on good authority that they are on terra’s hard drive.

Oh, halfie, you should not give up our terra to the copyright police w/o mentioning she’s overseas in an undisclosed location where the long arm of the law has no jurisdiction.

OK, terra, your HD is safe once again.

I really can’t imagine what Details is up to ‘” that intern is going to be busy. I suppose they feel if they get them off of the big hubs like MJs, Rickey, AINOw that fewer people will see them. There’s probably some truth to that, but still’ ¦.

Maybe they brought in a “crew” of interns this morning. Looks like they will need it.

I think we would be seeing a whole different Adam, had his life not been they way it was when he was younger. If he looked like he does now, who knows what he would have done. But instead he was a chubby teenager, with freckles and blond hair that the girls and boys made fun of, with a beautiful voice. Lets face it how many people would have gone crazy over that look. Then he tried drugs and such, because he wasnt accepted and just wanted to sing Im not saying its ok, and he morphed into the Adam we now know.

Can you imagine watching him sing WLL chubby, freckled, blond hair, ect.? Kinda a Clay image, good voice, but the rest not so much. Even in his older videos, he was singing and the crowd was ho hum. He got on the Idol stage and started to get accepted, and on tour the women were going crazy for him, he never felt that before. Instead he could go into the girls locker room and the girls would say”Oh, its just Adam”. He really has a story to tell, I dont blame him for enjoying it all the way. Crap, who knows what he has instore, he warned us, if you dont like my buy the other guys CD. This journey is amazing. I’m stunned, but amazed.

Sure he’s getting a lot of buzz. Unfortunately it’s about things other than his music ‘“ which for me puts him more in the category of being famous for being famous along with the Hilton sisters.

I need to hear one of those Hilton sisters sing TfM before I can agree with you.

butte009
October 18, 2009 at 11:43 am

Just a random thought’ ¦. If pictures like this had been taken pre-Idol I doubt TPTB would have let him on the show. But since it’s after the show they give their blessing?

Frankly, TPTB had plenty of pre-Idol material on Adam to work with that was already in the public domain, so if they were of a mind to prevent him from being on the show over it, there are any number of examples they could have pointed to that were far more questionable than these pretty tame standard fare fashion rag shots.

LaurelG
October 18, 2009 at 12:22 pm

I need to hear one of those Hilton sisters sing TfM before I can agree with you.

Hahaha. Me too. And Whole Lotta Love. Now that’s hawt!

LaurelG: I need to hear one of those Hilton sisters sing TfM before I can agree with you.

Geezus, just warn a girl, first, would ya??

If I as person dismissed everyone that I felt did something that I found offensive or not to my liking, I would be a very lonely person with no one in my life and no music to listen too.

I wouldn’t equate critizising someone with dismissing them. The world needs no-sayers too, even if they might end up lonely.

Anyway, I get the demographic they are trying to reach and concerning a photo of Adam with a woman, it was only a matter of time before that happened. I would have followed FHS advice though, and waited with such a photoshoot till they had more creative control. This photo just tells me that hey, Adam is just like any other heterosexual guy and he can treat women like shit too! I understand that this is how most photoshoots look in magazines like this but I don’t have to like it.

anthrogeek
October 18, 2009 at 12:17 pm

halfie: Plus, I have it on good authority that they are on terra’s hard drive.

Oh, halfie, you should not give up our terra to the copyright police w/o mentioning she’s overseas in an undisclosed location where the long arm of the law has no jurisdiction.

OK, terra, your HD is safe once again.

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anthrogeek
October 18, 2009 at 12:23 pm

butte009
October 18, 2009 at 11:43 am

Frankly, TPTB had plenty of pre-Idol material on Adam to work with that was already in the public domain, so if they were of a mind to prevent him from being on the show over it, there are any number of examples they could have pointed to that were far more questionable than these pretty tame standard fare fashion rag shots.

To be fair, most of the racy stuff on obvious popular sites was deleted by Adam. So I’m not sure that TPTB were entirely clear of what pics were out there on the internet. But after Adam was voted on top 36 on TV, some more invested people decided to do more investigative info hunting and came up with those fabulous pics of him kissing other guys. I’m not sure if TPTB had a choice anymore.

I wouldn’t equate criticizing someone with dismissing them. The world needs no-sayers too, even if they might end up lonely.

I agree with you but if you are reading the same post I am some are saying that Adam is going to lose fans and that he has gone too far. Criticism is healthy but I am reading opinions on here that IMHO are dismissive.

OK, terra, your HD is safe once again.

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Very interesting post everybody, I like to read all the different points of views, to be honest I don ´t give it a lot of tought to the things Adam does, he says that he wants to entertain and let me tell you: i ´m thoroughly enterteined!! keep things coming Adam!

They will never put this back in the bottle! But interesting that they are working so hard to do it!

I really can’t imagine what Details is up to

Q3 & halfie, exactly.

The continuing, rigid non-grok of online potential by communications companies continues to make little sense. Copyrights are not in danger here. Fansite exposure is only going to increase sales. Fan the flames, Details, count your blessings, savor that buzz. Only going to help you.

Because Details is re-launching their web site on Tuesday. They need all the audience they can get. The subscription copies are in the mail. And, clearly delivered in many places. Q3′s excellently sleuthed circulation figures noted a couple days ago that Details is vast majority subscription based. They could use the exposure.

ET has this on promo and is airing the footage tomorrow. Everybody knows now.

What Details should be doing, IMHO, is first, contacting site’s like MJ’s and saying, please use these links to our own website. Please take down your illegal scans, but use these links. And thank you. And have at the Details web site outtakes of the photo shoot. And screaming: Annual Music Issue. So the millions who had no idea they did an annual music issue would know now. Plus leaking 30 seconds of steamy video to their web site. And then promising lots more on site relaunch Tuesday, and having the intern standing by to call the server for more power if needed. Plus put a big “come back Tuesday for the new Details.com” right under the video.

Of course, alas, in today’s publishing world, everyone in the Conde Nast building, including the intern, is wondering how long they’ll have a job, so clear thinking not always easy. Especially about one of the forces evaporating your employment: the web. (And probably contributes to putting inventing original concepts for pictures low on their list as well.)

But Adam is def getting incredible promo. He’s getting Cook plus. So if he doesn’t have great sales, no one can blame RCA for not trying.

It’s not about the talent. It’s about the image … and the extracurricular stuff. It’s sensationalism which our media feeds on. If you’re not willing to do that, you don’t. Whatever the consequences.

For me, these pictures are incongruent with the goal of role model to kids. I have a 12 yr old son and these pictures don’t send me running to him saying ‘I want you to be like this when you are 27.’ 

Why would a 12 year old have a subscription to Details magazine? Why would a parent run to a pre-teen and show them these pictures? As parents, we decide what we want our chidren to see.

I also find the “but he was an American Idol” discussion hilarious. Number one, he didn’t win-thank God! Number two, Adam is so far past the AI bubble, it’s comical. Adam was past the bubble when he was on the show.

Hasn’t Cook used fuck and flipped the audience off during performances? He is also Agnostic and doesn’t seem to date pretty princess virgins. Should we question his “example”? Would we want our sons to grow up to be like him? Personally, I like him and his music. I buy it and listen to it.

I don’t have to agree with everything a person does, to like them as an artist or entertainer. If I did, my cd collection would be non-existent. My movie and television viewing would come to an abrupt halt, also.

I’m the consumer and I use my brain. If I don’t like it, I don’t buy it. In fact, I don’t spend all day commenting on it if I don’t like it. What a waste of time!

I agree with you but if you are reading the same post I am some are saying that Adam is going to lose fans and that he has gone too far. Criticism is healthy but I am reading opinions on here that IMHO are dismissive.

I am also reading comments that people who don’t like these photos are prudes and conservative, and they can go and buy the other guys record. How about that for dismissing comments?

What Details should be doing, IMHO, is first, contacting site’s like MJ’s and saying, please use these links to our own website. Please take down your illegal scans, but use these links. And thank you. And have at the Details web site outtakes of the photo shoot. And screaming: Annual Music Issue. So the millions who had no idea they did an annual music issue would know now. Plus leaking 30 seconds of steamy video to their web site. And then promising lots more on site relaunch Tuesday, and having the intern standing by to call the server for more power if needed. Plus put a big ‘come back Tuesday for the new Details.com’  right under the video.

Wow FifthHouseSun-They need you to direct their PR department. This would be brilliant and a very smart counterstrike to something that is way out of their hands.

Does anyone know if this NSFW pic of Zac Efron is from Details magazine? I know he was on their cover once too. Just curious!

tiger92
October 18, 2009 at 12:41 pm

I don’t have to agree with everything a person does, to like them as an artist or entertainer. If I did, my cd collection would be non-existent. My movie and television viewing would come to an abrudt halt, also.

I’m the consumer and I use my brain. If I don’t like it, I don’t buy it. In fact, I don’t spend all day commenting on it if I don’t like it. What a waste of time!

I feel the same way.

Hasn’t Cook used fuck and flipped the audience off during performances? He is also Agnostic and doesn’t seem to date pretty princess virgins. Should we question his ‘example’ ? Would we want our sons to grow up to be like him? Personally, I like him and his music. I buy it and listen to it.

I don’t have to agree with everything a person does, to like them as an artist or entertainer. If I did, my cd collection would be non-existent. My movie and television viewing would come to an abrudt halt, also.

I agree. I have straight girl crush on Angelina Jolie and her past wasn’t all wine and roses. (not mentioning her to start an AJ debate)

I knew someone was going to suggest that 12 yr old boys aren’t the demographic of Details.

All kids have access to the internet. I was watching the discussion of 14 year old girls on Twitter last night regarding these pics. Dear luv, Adam fan who often posts here, is 12 and says her parents do not know of her Adam obsession.

I didn’t say I wanted/needed Adam to be a role model for kids, I quoted him as saying that’s what he wants to be. I took him at his word.

*ahem*
“I’m not your babysitter, and I’m not your church.”

It’s right there in the article, from Adam’s mouth. He’s not responsible for your 12 year olds.

I am also reading comments that people who don’t like these photos are prudes and conservative, and they can go and buy the other guys record. How about that for dismissing comments?

Again I agree with you and honestly I am not your enemy and devaluing your opinions just giving mine. The issues you brought up I also agree with 100%. This was my post and my opinion and you are taking a small part of the entire post out of context. I don’t think my argument is with you or that yours is with me. Again criticism is healthy unfortunately the people who need to hear it and will benefit from it are not the ones hearing it. Sorry for posting something that obviously upset you or struck a negative chord. I was just trying to give it from a different perspective. Hope you have a wonderful day.

In today’s tech fluid culture, all you can do with your twelve-year-olds is arm them for what’s out there.

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I didn’t say I wanted/needed Adam to be a role model for kids, I quoted him as saying that’s what he wants to be. I took him at his word.
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He wants kids to believe in themselves. He wants them to believe that the rough patches will pass. I don’t think he has to live like a monk to get that point across. I think his truthfulness is one of his greatest qualities and I wish more people were as open and honest as he is.

Hasn’t Cook used fuck and flipped the audience off during performances?

These are his concerts. He’s not doing any of this in the press. It’s like a mainstream comedian, who does a tamed down version of his act on TV, but is a little more risque in the clubs. I also hear that in David’s performances in Iraq for the troops, he was even “edgier” because that was appropriate for the audience. (Oh, and he’s not flipping off the audience, he includes them in on the “joke,” i.e., flipping off the notion of “being in love” before singing “Kiss on the Neck.”)

He is also Agnostic and doesn’t seem to date pretty princess virgins. Should we question his ‘example’ ? Would we want our sons to grow up to be like him? Personally, I like him and his music. I buy it and listen to it.

This is David’s private life. He’s not branding himself in the media with it or creating a persona with it. It’s not a part of the roll out or the marketing plan.

Adam’s roll out is AI’s interpretation of what edgy is to create an image. Just like they put Cook in lace up, “pirate” pants and guyliner during his AI tour, which afterwards, he immediately discarded.

All kids have access to the internet.

And there is so much worse out there, it’s scary.
I would think 14 year old girls would be much more interested in this picture.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/kandahardotcom/1300309022_orig_dl3.jpg

I don’t think this blog is designed for 12 year olds. It is up to parents of children this age to monitor their children’s computer usage. There are programs you can buy to do that very thing.

What Details should be doing, IMHO, is first, contacting site’s like MJ’s and saying, please use these links to our own website. Please take down your illegal scans, but use these links. And thank you. And have at the Details web site outtakes of the photo shoot. And screaming: Annual Music Issue. So the millions who had no idea they did an annual music issue would know now. Plus leaking 30 seconds of steamy video to their web site. And then promising lots more on site relaunch Tuesday, and having the intern standing by to call the server for more power if needed. Plus put a big ‘come back Tuesday for the new Details.com’  right under the video.

Wow FifthHouseSun-They need you to direct their PR department. This would be brilliant and a very smart counterstrike to something that is way out of their hands.

That is a brilliant strategy, Maybe you should mail it into the interns as a suggestion. That might help them save their jobs.

For me, these pictures are incongruent with the goal of role model to kids.

Adam is still a great role-model for kids in that he shows gay kids that they do not have to hide. That is the role model he is trying to be and even in the article that accompanies these pics he says something like he is not trying to be your church.

LeeTravers
October 18, 2009 at 1:00 pm
In today’s tech fluid culture, all you can do with your twelve-year-olds is arm them for what’s out there.

I agree, for me is worst that an actual children role model like Disney ´s Vanessa Hudgens is taking pictures of herself naked to send them to her boyfriend than a posed photoshoot for a magazine of a grown up male singer. I see all of this as an oportunity to talk to your children about boundaries, values and all things related.

Hehe, dhunken, I am not upset. Or maybe just a little?
We might actually not disagree with each other but if we do, it’s not that serious. The purpose of this blog is voicing different points of views I guess.

I also find the ‘but he was an American Idol’  discussion hilarious. Number one, he didn’t win-thank God! Number two, Adam is so far past the AI bubble, it’s comical. Adam was past the bubble when he was on the show.

And it’s called “American Idol” — and America is a diverse country — and there are many different definitions of “values”. My family values are rooted in Jewish cultural and religious traditions. They focus on ‘middot’  ‘“ moral qualities, ‘mitzvot’  ‘“ commandments or good deeds, ‘musar’  ‘“ value instruction/learning, “ba’al tashchit” – don’t waste and “tikkun olam” – heal the earth. But my values are also informed by Christian, Buddist and Islamic principles. I raised my son to treat people with respect, to be generous, to be humble, to value education and literacy, to help people who are disadvantaged, to work for justice and fairness, and to try and make the world just a little bit better because he is here — “tikkun olam” – heal the earth.

If Adam was my son, I would be proud of who he is, how hard he has worked, that he has donated some of his fame to helping others achieve success and his potential to continue to make the world a little better. And, if he can play a small part in the continuing process to build acceptance of the diversity and complexity of sexuality, then it is even better. But what I really want is to hear him sing.

What more could a mother ask of Adam? (OK he could not get any more tats! And he should eat a little more — he looks a little thin to me! But I am a Jewish mother — after all!)

Holy Photoshopping, Batman!

I think the wet T-shirt looks photoshopped because the crease in the scan cuts off the breadth of his shoulders and makes everything look out of whack. It’s possible that there is photoshopping, but I am taking other factors into consideration.

If you all saw the 8 second ET video about this photoshoot, the model was in a black bikinis. The photographer made it disappeared in photoshop.

hahaha, so I guess that means they photoshopped her nipple in while they took the bathing suit off.

So Adam has said he wants to be a rold model to kids. That’s pretty much saying he wants to influence kids (which is kind of the opposite of his “babysitter/church” statement).

He wants kids to believe in themselves. He wants them to believe that the rough patches will pass. I don’t think he has to live like a monk to get that point across. I think his truthfulness is one of his greatest qualities and I wish more people were as open and honest as he is.

If this is true, how will kids learn this? Perhaps they can read the Details article. Oh, wait…

he was awarded a six-figure recording contract with 19 Entertainment

I found this quote from the article interesting. Does anyone have any idea what kind of money they’re talking about? I’m guessing it would have to be at the high end of that range — but obviously it’s below the $1m mark…

Just to clarify…I am pretty confident that when Adam said he wants to be a role model for kids, that he means he wants kids who just don’t feel like they fit in or maybe are like he was… he liked to play dress up, liked to sing and put on a show–definately not mainstream behavior once you are past elementary school—, He wants kids not to FEEL LIKE A FREAK BUT TO FEEL SPECIAL INSTEAD and to know that it’s a good thing to be different. They can look at him today and see that if they embrace themselves and what is special about them that they too can ultimately feel comfortable in their own skin and will at some point “look in the mirror and finally see someone who can do something cool”. He isn’t saying that there won’t be some bumps in the road they take to get there…he is honestly acknowleding that there were for him, but he is saying stay true to who they are and don’t give up.

Too bad about the pictures getting pulled. I guess they have the right to. And you are so right, that magazine will sell out in no time. Thanks for the great article.

So Adam has said he wants to be a rold model to kids. That’s pretty much saying he wants to influence kids (which is kind of the opposite of his ‘babysitter/church’  statement).

I don’t see this a being opposite. Influence is an indirect act. Babysitting with be more direct and hands on. Influence implies space and distance. Babysitting puts you smack dab in the middle. Also he does not want to get or have us involved in his religious beliefs. I can respect that.

saga
October 18, 2009 at 1:13 pm

Hehe, dhunken, I am not upset. Or maybe just a little?
We might actually not disagree with each other but if we do, it’s not that serious. The purpose of this blog is voicing different points of views I guess.

Hey Saga on this I agree with you 100%…. Keep those Critiques coming

idolslc:
IMO these pictures do not inspire wise choices for young people.

As they aren’t meant to, and they don’t have to. Let’s forget for a moment us internet-savvy people who can find anything Lambert-related is a seconds of time. Let’s look at the regular consumer. The pictures are intended for the generic Details reader, for an adult audience, and not for the 12-year old teen fan. If the teen fan wants to dig up the magazine anyway, it’s the fan’s (or her parents) responsibility, not Detail’s.

Adam is not a Jonas Brother and (even with his comments about wanting to be an example for kids that it’s okay to be different etc,) he never signed to be a teen idol.

He isn’t G-rated, he is PG-rated. As in Parental Guidance.

He wants kids to believe in themselves. He wants them to believe that the rough patches will pass. I don’t think he has to live like a monk to get that point across. I think his truthfulness is one of his greatest qualities and I wish more people were as open and honest as he is.

If this is true, how will kids learn this? Perhaps they can read the Details article. Oh, wait’ ¦

Working way to hard to be difficult. Adam has done countless interviews speaking about what he want people to learn from him, but if people are so concerned about this big bad gay man corrupting their minor, then talk to them first.

He isn’t G-rated, he is PG-rated. As in Parental Guidance.

This!!!!

I didn’t say I wanted/needed Adam to be a role model for kids, I quoted him as saying that’s what he wants to be. I took him at his word.

I have heard Adam make mention of the “role model” thing, too, but I took it to mean that he could serve as an example that it’s OK to be different. I’ve never gotten the impression that he thinks kids should follow all that he does, just that they shouldn’t be afraid of their own or others’ differences, that they should embrace their uniqueness.

Working way to hard to be difficult. Adam has done countless interviews speaking about what he want people to learn from him, but if people are so concerned about this big bad gay man corrupting their minor, then talk to them first.

Mommy,

The big bad man is scaring me. LMAO

As a retired CPS caseworker I have to agree with readon. It is the parents responsibility to monitor their children. I often had to explain this to parents and educate them about blocking programs. How well they work I don’t know, but parents should be in the room with kids when they are online. I have followed this blog since the middle of AI8 and have watched how everyone has reminded Luv of her responsibilities and gently pushed her back to her schoolwork when needed, good job folks. You are right, it takes a village, but it starts with parents.

He wants kids to believe in themselves.

And I think that comes through so well in the pictures of him with a “nude” woman. Heh.

Well as part of the village that helps to raise the child, I think we all offer advice and guidance to Luv when appropriate.

I am not on mj’s blog to be part of a village that helps raise a child. This place is sort of my escape. While I realize that everyone has their own reasons to be on a blog, I also realize that it is up to the blog owner to decide who gets to be here. I just scroll past OT posts about homework and bedtimes. If we get more teens I may think differently.

not sure if a transcript of the Details article was ever posted that eveyone could link to

http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=630732&st=1580

credit to ontd_ai and IDF

I and my eyes thank you for posting that link! It’s amazing how much shorter the article looks in that format. Off to read it now.

The biggest difference is they are no longer using Adam to sell TV advertising. They are using him to sell records. Very different.

I don’t disagree with you. I realize this is all about $. Rather there seems to be a disconnect. Adam toned it down so that they didn’t lose advertisers while on the show yet it’s supposedly going to make him sell more cds after the show? Why didn’t TPTB want to capitalize on higher ratings and therefore be able to charge more for a 30-sec spot if this is somehow going help him sell more cds?

So far we’ve heard Adam sing covers – some very well, others not so. And we’ve got him singing TfM – which most agree will not be indicative of his post-Idol vibe. So what has he really been in the news about? Being on AI, being gay and his sensuality, using drugs in his past, and now posing with a nude model. Hence my statement that he appears to be famous for being famous. Lots of buzz without an original song to his name yet.

While it’s nice that some fans are willing to jump on the “Adam is a Star” bandwagon. I’m not there yet. I need to hear his “real” music before taking such a leap. All this other stuff is irrelevant. I’ve got my fingers crossed but I realize that my hoping for something doesn’t make it true. Others of course may disagree. I’m just trying to keep it real folks…

And for the record I feel the same about Kris and Allison. IMO, none of this season’s finalists have done anything to make them Star-worthy… yet. Although I do wish them all success.

Oh, and regarding the Efron picture that star posted, that one was better because at least the woman was alive in that picture. I just think the dead fish in combination with Adam being gay (and sleeping) was a very unfortunate combo. Me not likey.

For all the discussion about these photos, I think a few things are clear:

1. Most Adam fans that have commented understand the point of the article and the accompanying photos — that a lot of women have sexual fantasies about Adam. (This in not news — read any tour thread.)

edit: don’t question the motives of posters. RESPECT their opinions

3. The article and accompanying photos have generated a lot of intelligent comments — that go far beyond “oh he’s so cute” fandom — including some well thought out and clearly presented criticism of the article. And that is a very good thing.

ETA: Don’t forget the inventor of modern PR and the greatest publicist of them all, Phineas T. Barnum, once said, “I don’t care what they say about me as long as they spell my name right.”

And I think that comes through so well in the pictures of him with a ‘nude’  woman. Heh.

I know this was a joke, and I’m not saying kids necessarily should see these photos (although I contend that they can see things just as or more suggestive on daytime TV), but, actually, these photos do exemplify Adam’s self confidence. The guy has incredible moxie!

Yes, it would have been better if Adam had opened his eyes during one of these shots. If only to differentiate between them so they didn’t seem all “closed eyes” and the same. But at best I think you would have found him staring at the camera, not the model. His eyes are closed because his thoughts are elsewhere. Because that’s his preference.

I think there is a temptation to overanalyze the vision of the photographer or the artistic director. The straight guys are looking at the naked girl. The gay guys might be looking at Adam (or they might also be flipping pages looking for a Kris-type guy). Only the women are trying to find any warmth between the subjects, and they are not the magazine’s demographic.

For me, the pictures are fine. The picture of Disney-boy Zac Efron (linked above) with a naked boob inches from his face (he just turned 22) puts it in RW perspective. The only thing that troubled me about this article somewhat was Adam’s offhand comment that “eh, I could have made out with that woman and Drake would have been cool with it” or words to that effect. No, Adam, I think you are mistaken. If you define him as your boyfriend, then I think kissing anyone should be off limits.

Of course, Adam more than made up for that slip up with the sweet stories about his patience with the big guy with the aviator glasses who wrapped him in a bear hug and the trembling lipped woman at the end. I think you can love Adam and be a huge fan and disagree about certain things. We all agree about the most important thing anyway: his ginormous talent.

I am suprised that the conversation in this thread is still going on so vigorously.

We have pictures of and adult male with a beautiful women in pictures that are strategically posed. His hands are used as props to cover the parts necessary to keep the pictures as artwork and not porn. They could have used blurring or the ever effective line or black dot, but that would have ruined the aesthetic beauty of the picture.

Two adults in a fantasy pic about what adults do in an adult magazine. Do we think that kids don’t know what adults do when the bedroom door is closed. I don’t think these pictures will scar them for life. I think most kids would just see this as normal adult behavior. And many of the pre-teens will just think they are yucky. Like, “Oh Adam, get a room.”

And I think that comes through so well in the pictures of him with a ‘nude’  woman. Heh.

that 16 year old freckled faced braces wearing outsider can now believe in 10 years he can get a hottie

I didn’t say I wanted/needed Adam to be a role model for kids, I quoted him as saying that’s what he wants to be. I took him at his word.

Adam put being a role model for kids in the context of ‘for the weirdos, the kids that felt they didn’t belong, that they too could be okay and successful,’ and inherent within that was the understanding he was gay and being openly gay and being successful, isn’t easy. But Adam has always said that he doesn’t want to be a moral role model. And Adam is fairly successful now, number two on the most popular show in America so a certain amount of exposure and opportunities, possibly more successful in the future.

And really, these pictures are so racy as to make him not a role model? Look at the Zac Efron one above, of High School Musical –the Disney movie franchise. Eh.

As for things being on the internet and parents not being able to control what they see, valid point. Which brings up the point why are they allowed on the internet? Because honestly that is the only real way to block what they see. Unless you sit right with them on the few times they are allowed and make sure none of their friends or the schools has it. The parental control programs, etc., aren’t totally successful, by the way. It’s like birth control, abstinence is the only 100% way. Or you could talk to your kids about sexuality and images and what are and what aren’t good things (or what you consider good) and why that is.

But I don’t think that people should be dismissive of people who have issues with the pictures.

Two adults in a fantasy pic about what adults do in an adult magazine. Do we think that kids don’t know what adults do when the bedroom door is closed. I don’t think these pictures will scar them for life. I think most kids would just see this as normal adult behavior. And many of the pre-teens will just think they are yucky. Like, ‘Oh Adam, get a room.’ 

ITA!

And I think that comes through so well in the pictures of him with a ‘nude’  woman. Heh.

that 16 year old freckled faced braces wearing outsider can now believe in 10 years he can get a hottie

Bravo. Just think, Adam didn’t seem to think that he was hot. This seems to have come as a revelation to him. After years of thinking that he is ugly, it must be quite a joy to be an American sex symbol. So I am not going to take him to task for skipping, jumping and reveling in his new found fame and adulation.

Adam has fans of all ages. I started out in the AI forum for Adam, and there were many teens, twenties and on up. What was amazing was, yes, there were women in their 60′s and 70′s who adored Adam, but they were in the minority. It was just an eye-opener that the demographic for Adam fans covered such a wide range. There were also many men of all ages too.

I think men who are secure within themselves are comfortable with whatever Adam does. They don’t even have to like his music either.

anybody want a change of pace?

ADAM LAMBERT – PLANET FIERCE: UPRISING – Muse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kARk9KPXPrE

There are 1,056 news articles and news blogs about Adam Lambert in the past 24 hours that are picked up by Google — and 8 are about the Details cover/article: 2 Examiner.com, 2 Fashion.ie, plus blogs from Sassyqarla Entertainment, AceShowbusiness, LimeLife and an online magazine from Thailand, Thaindian.com. Not exactly the big Adam story. Sure it will get coverage in the press next week, but I don’t think it is really that big a deal outside of the Adam fansites and the “non-news” Idol blogs.

Most of the coverage is about his album and TfM.

Note: Google news stats include the reposts and that is by far the largest part of the news item count.

The only thing that troubled me about this article somewhat was Adam’s offhand comment that ‘eh, I could have made out with that woman and Drake would have been cool with it’  or words to that effect. No, Adam, I think you are mistaken. If you define him as your boyfriend, then I think kissing anyone should be off limits.

Do you know Drake? Have you talked with him about the parameters of his and Adam’s relationship? How do you know that it wouldn’t be cool with Drake. We don’t know these people and we don’t know these kinds of things.

Adam’s roll out is AI’s interpretation of what edgy is to create an image. Just like they put Cook in lace up, ‘pirate’  pants and guyliner during his AI tour, which afterwards, he immediately discarded.

Why would Cook let “them” put him in something he didn’t want to wear? If he didn’t like the pants, why did he wear them? Did he not have a pair of jeans he could have substituted?Did they hold him down and put eyeliner on him? Maybe he changed his mind on the type of image he was going for.

I only have one question…..what happened to “equal opportunity undergarment situation”?

How unfair of you Adam!!……LOL

In all seriousness…totally hot and left me totally wanting more. Who’s going to be the first one to find the pics they didn’t use for the magazine story? We’re all waiting……

The only thing that troubled me about this article somewhat was Adam’s offhand comment that ‘eh, I could have made out with that woman and Drake would have been cool with it’  or words to that effect. No, Adam, I think you are mistaken. If you define him as your boyfriend, then I think kissing anyone should be off limits.

Do you know Drake? Have you talked with him about the parameters of his and Adam’s relationship? How do you know that it wouldn’t be cool with Drake. We don’t know these people and we don’t know these kinds of things.

100% true. How anyone from a blog can possibly think that they know Drake better than Adam is mind-boggling.

For all we know, Drake has told Adam that he doesn’t care what Adam does with a woman as long as he gets to see the pictures. Which, in this case, works out just fine.

The only thing that troubled me about this article somewhat was Adam’s offhand comment that ‘eh, I could have made out with that woman and Drake would have been cool with it’  or words to that effect. No, Adam, I think you are mistaken. If you define him as your boyfriend, then I think kissing anyone should be off limits.

In one interview during the tour, I recall Adam specifically saying he was dating someone but it wasn’t an exclusive relationship.

The intense analysis of the photos in Details just proves how subjective taste is. Interesting to read the various takes on them. Personally, I love everything Adam, and this is no exception. Anything positive (which I believe this is) that puts him in the public consciousness is good imo.

I really have enjoyed reading all of the comments, tho. So many well-expressed, thoughtful posts, even those that do not reflect my view, make for a great discussion.

ADAM LAMBERT ‘“ PLANET FIERCE: UPRISING ‘“ Muse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kARk9KPXPrE

that was cool – thank you

tls62: I only have one question’ ¦..what happened to ‘equal opportunity undergarment situation’ ?

How unfair of you Adam!!’ ¦’ ¦LOL

In all seriousness’ ¦totally hot and left me totally wanting more. Who’s going to be the first one to find the pics they didn’t use for the magazine story? We’re all waiting’ ¦’ ¦

I think we are going to wait a long time before we see Adam without clothes. LOL!

I expect that the ET video will provide some insight into how much more was shot. And bet that Details puts some more photos online on their website — but after the magazine is on the newstands.

Most of the coverage is about his album and TfM.

Good to know!

I know this was a joke, and I’m not saying kids necessarily should see these photos (although I contend that they can see things just as or more suggestive on daytime TV), but, actually, these photos do exemplify Adam’s self confidence. The guy has incredible moxie!

Actually, I wasn’t really referencing the kiddies. In fact, I find the photos to be the opposite of moxie. They are standard operating procedure. A man with a “naked” woman in a magazine geared towards men. It’d be moxie if he were with a naked man, or at least it would be honest. You know, believing in oneself.

BUT, my real feeling is that him posing with a naked transgender pixie and his or her cousin would elicit equal head scratching. What is the point? It’s irrelevant to the music. So, clearly they are trying to create an image — market a product — and they want to maintain the fantasy that Adam could be interested in women (for the women) and is enough of a man’s man to cozy up to a naked girl (for the straight men).

It’s all marketing and is as phony as a three dollar bill.

The biggest difference is they are no longer using Adam to sell TV advertising. They are using him to sell records. Very different.

I don’t disagree with you. I realize this is all about $. Rather there seems to be a disconnect. Adam toned it down so that they didn’t lose advertisers while on the show yet it’s supposedly going to make him sell more cds after the show? Why didn’t TPTB want to capitalize on higher ratings and therefore be able to charge more for a 30-sec spot if this is somehow going help him sell more cds?

Because they are different markets with different demographics. What makes AI still the number one TV show, despite declining ratings, is one thing. But take a look at the Top 20 songs in the US right now. There are not the same kind of “family friendly,” market that the AI TV show is.

So what has he really been in the news about? Being on AI, being gay and his sensuality, using drugs in his past, and now posing with a nude model. Hence my statement that he appears to be famous for being famous. Lots of buzz without an original song to his name yet.

Adam was first noticed at all because of his voice. Because AI is as ‘family friendly,’ as it is, that is what he was primarily known for. Primarily because he was also known for having ‘racy’ pictures of him kissing guys and it was pretty obvious the guy was gay and in a rather colourful way, at that. But during the shows run it was his vocal talents, the numbers he would do and the “what would Adam do next?” that allowed him to be known as a front runner on the number one show in America, so tons of exposure. He kept that up to the end to advancing to the final. He lost and the new stories became about why and did America get it right. And yes, part of that discussion was about his being gay and if the homophobia in America cost him that. But the next time Adam was in the news was for the tour stuff. All the interviews that they all did about that. Since then he’s been in the news for having his album be on number one pre-orders on Amazon without an offical release, no title, no songs and singles and ‘beating The Beatles and Barbara Streisand!” so yes, Adam was in the news for his music as well. At least the anticipation of it. And of course all the stuff in the news regarding his song for 2012. Again, about the possibility of his music, not his person.

As for the drugs? that is totally an AI bubble thing, that hasn’t gotten any real press the way his being gay or possibly these pictures are. The biggest story out of his RS stuff was his supposed “crush” on Kris. Adam’s previous drug use has always been a blip on the radar with him. Probably like with this article where he talks about it in the context of being destructive and it being bad, but what will be the buzz will be the pictures. The pictures will be what gets outside the bubble. Hence the ET shoot about “too racy for TV!”

All this talk reminded me an article Lyndsey Parker wrote after Adam’s polarizing ROF performance:

“…-Adam Lambert is a real rocker. Because he shocks people. He gets people’s attention, and sometimes gets people downright angry. He makes those who are faint of heart and feeble of mind squirm in their support hose–and that’s a good thing. Because that is what real, relevant, radical rock stars, from Mick to Marilyn, do so well….”

I think she sums it up very nicely! Whole article is awesome and still one of my favorites written about Adam.

Full article here: http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/151902/why-adam-lambert-rocks-my-world/

anybody want a change of pace?

ADAM LAMBERT ‘“ PLANET FIERCE: UPRISING ‘“ Muse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kARk9KPXPrE

Thank you Valiac. That was wonderful. There are so many creative people out there.

The pictures will be what gets outside the bubble. Hence the ET shoot about ‘too racy for TV!‘ 

so many non AI people will buy this magazine for just that reason.

hmmm will Adam have another record selling cover in his repertoire?

Maybe he changed his mind on the type of image he was going for.

I’m glad he did, that guyliner he was rocking on tour was an eyesore!

And you;re totally right..Cook wore what he wanted to on tour. If he decided to change it up after the tour good on him…but it was all him!

LaurelG
October 18, 2009 at 1:36 pm

Yes, it would have been better if Adam had opened his eyes during one of these shots. If only to differentiate between them so they didn’t seem all ‘closed eyes’  and the same. But at best I think you would have found him staring at the camera, not the model. His eyes are closed because his thoughts are elsewhere. Because that’s his preference.

The one thing I have to say about this is the photographer and the Magazines people picked the pics they wanted. These were not the only 4 shots taken. I am sure there were plenty with Adam’s eye’s open. For whatever reason or vision (pun intended) the people picking the pics did not include one with Adam’s eye’s open. So not sure I would say this was Adam’s preference or idea just four of many shot’s that were taken.

The only thing that troubled me about this article somewhat was Adam’s offhand comment that ‘eh, I could have made out with that woman and Drake would have been cool with it’  or words to that effect. No, Adam, I think you are mistaken. If you define him as your boyfriend, then I think kissing anyone should be off limits.

I think that this just shows that Adam and Drake are comfortable that no woman is going to come between them.

In these interviews we have to remember that Adam is still in his twenties and has that infallible free spirit about him.

When I was 20 my boyfriend’s friend used to be crazy about my boobs. He and his wife were our best friends. One day we were hanging out and after one of the friends comments I told him “Come here!” I grabbed his hand and placed it on my breast. “Are you happy now?” We were all quite wasted and giggled for a fair amount of time afterwards. Were there any repercussions? Absolutely none. I am still friends with them.

Keep the discussion focused on the topic. Please do not discuss your fellow posters on this blog. Also, discussions about what is or isnt appropriate to discuss here is OFF TOPIC.

Anyone know the name of the model?

I am in love with Adam. Let him be artist please. A legend right here

I love video too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kARk9KPXPrE

2. Most of the people ‘offended’  by the ‘sexually explicit and inappropriate’  content of the article weren’t going to buy Adam’s album anyway ‘” it’s just another thing to criticize Adam for.

I was waiting for the album to come out to make a determination on what I would buy, and admit that I never thought I would download the entire album, but would pick and choose some singles that I might like. I guess for me the more I read about Adam and his ‘fear of obscurity’, the more I’m going to have to really like these singles to download them.

Yes, some many will consider me a prude, but I have a hard time wrapping my mind around this kind of promotion for good music, if the music is good. (I’m sure many will find it is, btw.)

I like Adam and want him to succeed, but why does it have to be based on this type of thing? IMO, a line has been crossed by making women objects and by making himself an object. He’s not, he’s a person. I guess I can’t really express my deep feelings on this point, and they more than likely don’t matter at this point so now I’ll climb down off the box and move along.

” ¦-Adam Lambert is a real rocker. Because he shocks people. He gets people’s attention, and sometimes gets people downright angry. He makes those who are faint of heart and feeble of mind squirm in their support hose’“and that’s a good thing. Because that is what real, relevant, radical rock stars, from Mick to Marilyn, do so well’ ¦.’ 

So, artists like Bruce Springsteen are not real rockers? To my mind, a real rocker is someone who’s making a career out of writing, playing, and singing rock music.

It’s all marketing and is as phony as a three dollar bill.

Of course it’s marketing !!!! Hello! you say it like it’s a bad thing! Everything the former idols do, whether posing for a magazine, singing at a high school, going to a Latin awards show, doing private shows IS marketing. That’s why they went on the show and that’s why they are working on their cd’s.
How can it be phony ????That’s what everyone does in a capitalist society, I don’t get this statement….

It’s all marketing and is as phony as a three dollar bill.

Marketing isn’t real? The hell you say.

Yes, when posing for magazines in shoots they take lots of pictures that are supposed to get people’s attention. If there is an article, than the pictures will hopefully go along with that article. This is not guaranteed, sometimes picture are just weird or pretty or sexual just for the sake of that and getting attention of the reader. I know when I would read my Premiere magazine back in the day, I would see some ‘racy’ pictures and sometimes ones that didn’t make any sense to me in terms of the person or what the article was about. But cool picture of a pretty and famous person, so there you go.

In Details the article is what the pictures are about, and it’s not phony, per se. The article is about how women find Adam sexy, which is true, so the pictures are of hetrosexual sex scenes, so those pictures are representing something that is 100% real and true, that some straight women do find Adam sexy, so the sexual images are not phony…of women’s fantasies. Or the straight male version of that The article is about how Adam is openly gay, and yet sexuality and attraction are fluid, which is as it should be, Adam posits and I concur. Again, the pictures don’t go against that, because posing with pretty nekkid women as a function of their fantasy, doesn’t change the reality of Adam’s sexuality.

“So, clearly they are trying to create an image ‘” market a product ‘” and they want to maintain the fantasy that Adam could be interested in women (for the women) and is enough of a man’s man to cozy up to a naked girl (for the straight men).

It’s all marketing and is as phony as a three dollar bill”

So true. They’re trying very hard to interest straight guys in him. He’ll really need them if the album goes in a more rock direction. It won’t matter as much if it’s more dance music. I think the coarse appeal to the straight guys was the turn off to me.

What more could a mother ask of Adam? (OK he could not get any more tats! And he should eat a little more ‘” he looks a little thin to me! But I am a Jewish mother ‘” after all!)

heee. I worry about the tat’s too. and seatbelts.

Why would Cook let ‘them’  put him in something he didn’t want to wear? If he didn’t like the pants, why did he wear them? Did he not have a pair of jeans he could have substituted?Did they hold him down and put eyeliner on him? Maybe he changed his mind on the type of image he was going for.

He was on the Idol tour, which is a subsidiary of the TV show, since they perform only the songs they’ve done on Idol and is geared towards that audience. Once he left the show behind him, and he was going out there as David Cook with his own music, he got rid of what wasn’t him.

How can it be phony ????

They do it all the time. Brand “X” will help you lose weight; grow hair; make your sex life better. In this case, it’s Adam cozying up to a naked woman. It’s definitely not who Adam is, or why go through the “hell” he presumably did growing up?

But, as I said, it’s all beside the point since Adam could be as straight as Hugh Hefner and it would still have nothing to do with good music.

hmmm will Adam have another record selling cover in his repertoire?

Probably, since Details is a mens’ magazine. And this time a lot of women will be buying it. The woman fans of Adam will drive up the sales.

The article is about how Adam is openly gay, and yet sexuality and attraction are fluid, which is as it should be, Adam posits and I concur.

I concur as well.

I’m not crazy about the photos, but I really don’t mind them.

And surprised or shocked? Please!

Anyone who’s seen Adam on the Zodiac or at the ArtforLife dance, or even that “Kiss and Tell” performance knows that Adam looooves doing stuff like that.

I doesn’t turn me on and it doesn’t turn me off. I’m here for this guy’s sheer talent! Don’t really CARE about anything else.

As long as he’s having fun- it’s all good!

Anyone know the name of the model?

Someone on ONTD thought it might be Lonneke Engel.

I didn’t say I wanted/needed Adam to be a role model for kids, I quoted him as saying that’s what he wants to be. I took him at his word.

But that shouldn’t mean that he has to hide who he really is because parents aren’t monitoring their kids! With all the porn etc…available with one click of the computer I think the onus is on parents to have some control over what their kids do (as much as possible)- on a side note, who do you think was enjoying the raunchy Kradam fiction, I bet it was the teens and pre-teens, on a separate note I don’t think the pictures are raunchy.

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So, artists like Bruce Springsteen are not real rockers? To my mind, a real rocker is someone who’s making a career out of writing, playing, and singing rock music.

I think rockers are people who make rock music. I don’t think David Bowie was any more of a rocker than Bruce Spingsteeen, I just don’t think he’s any less either because he did care about image and pushing boundaries in gender and sexuality roles. I think the best musicans are true to themselves to who they are as a person. For Sprinsteen who he is was wearing plaid, jeans and writing the type of music he did. For Bowie the type of person he is would make the music he created true to himself, and that included lots of contumes, make-up and personas. Neither one of them are better than the other or less authentic than the other.

Adam likes to play dress up as a part of who he is, has since he was a little kid. And music has also been a part of who he was since he was a kid, his father was a DJ and he was exposed to lots of it and later did musical theatre. So those things, lots of classic rock music, and theatrical stuff, are both genuine parts of him. So if he wants to create music that has both of those ,that doesn’t make him any better than someone who wears plaid and jeans and plays the guitar (I’m talking about Springsteen of course) but it doesn’t make him any less real a musican or rocker than that person. Because he is keeping true to his aesthetic, which in his case includes different things than some others. Not that either have more value than the other, just different.

Why would Cook let ‘them’  put him in something he didn’t want to wear? If he didn’t like the pants, why did he wear them? Did he not have a pair of jeans he could have substituted?Did they hold him down and put eyeliner on him? Maybe he changed his mind on the type of image he was going for.

He was on the Idol tour, which is a subsidiary of the TV show, since they perform only the songs they’ve done on Idol and is geared towards that audience. Once he left the show behind him, and he was going out there as David Cook with his own music, he got rid of what wasn’t him.

I still don’t understand. If Cook didn’t want to wear eyeliner, if it wasn’t him, then he shouldn’t have let them put it on him.
He was either portraying something he wasn’t on tour or he is now.

2. Most of the people ‘offended’  by the ‘sexually explicit and inappropriate’  content of the article weren’t going to buy Adam’s album anyway ‘” it’s just another thing to criticize Adam for.

I actually edited this out of the original post.

Please don’t question the motives or attempt to categorize the opinions of the so-called naysayers. Unless you’re in a posters head, you have no idea what they’re thinking.

Keep the personal stuff out of your argument please. Making assumptions about a posters motives or who they are as people based on their opinions is against the guidelines.

Keep your opinions focused on the subject, and off your fellow posters.

Thank you.