Adam Lambert’s Jimmy Kimmel and NY Rockin Eve Appearances Have Been Canceled. Allison Iraheta Will Perform on Kimmel Instead

They have replaced Adam with Allison. I have a feeling ABC is behind this because it was an outdoor concert. However Lyndsey tweeted that it’s being rescheduled to coincide with February’s concert which doesn’t make sense because Allison is doing the JK show. Bunch of baloney. Well it looks like ABC is giving Adam the shaft for NYE too. #boycott ABC.

Way to put a hit on Allison’s already lackluster start. Why do that to her?

What is that line out of Hamlet? The one about something rotten in the state of Denmark? If Adam is not officially rescheduled on Kimmel and if he does not appear on NYRE, then I think ABC’s true colors are revealed. This is way beyond one performance. The entire entertainment community should protest this sort of response. Not just the fan community.

WTF?

I didn’t mind the GMA cancellation….BUT this is ridiculous! I am now no longer watching ABC. This is just too High Schoolish of ABC for my tastes.

How humiliating for Adam to MC 2 Balls yet not sing at either. So, he’ll introduce Allison and Kris and not sing??? Man he sooo screwed up. Nothing is about music for him. I’m so embarrassed for him.

im really not understanding this at all. sometime in 2010 probably means in December of 2010. Really now, none of this is making any kind of sense. the show airs past midnight and Kimmel is always kissing dudes, like when he sang “I’m F**king Ben Affleck” so what on earth is the problem here? surely the disney watching crowd is already asleep by then! I hate the fact that Allison is taking over his place, its good exposure for her but she always seems to be put in awkward situations with her friends, like when she was on Conan because Kris’ grandmother died.

I love Alli but I am not watching her on that show. I am not watching any of the Idols on ABC. This is utterly crazy.

Where did the info about the NYE appearance originate? Did it ever come from an official (or even semi-official) source?

If this was indeed ABC’s decision because of the whole AMA thing, why would they even put out the idea of rescheduling?

I think people need to take it easy. There may be an explanation, sounds like they are trying to reschedule something. Have the performers for the New Years Eve thing even been officially announced yet?

I think Adam is hosting the Jingle Balls because 19 didn’t get their act together soon enough; the performance rosters are pretty much filled at this point.

Adam will be a part of the Barbara Walter’s Special, and , it sounds like, The View. I doubt he’s been banned. That would be overkill. He hasn’t committed a felony.

I’ll second that…. WTF??

This is certainly a different season from the others, no? Thank you Adam.

Hopefully this will all be straightened out soon and there is an announcement. I hope the press rallies in his favor big time. Where do I get my ‘cancelled by ABC’ t-shirt?

btw Allison will also be at the z100 jingle ball.
someone posted the link
http://www.z100.com/pages/events/jingleball09/index.html
Its not the end of the world

eta oh, as a guest – link fixed

If the performance has been re-scheduled, that sort of negates an ABC ban, doesn’t it? Maybe there really was some scheduling conflict. Or not, y’know. I just think fans should be very careful not to jump to conclusions, especially if these conclusions (false or not) will lead to potential further damage by an angry mob of fans beating down ABC’s metaphorical door…
Adam needs ABC much more than ABC needs Adam.

If this was indeed ABC’s decision because of the whole AMA thing, why would they even put out the idea of rescheduling?

To calm the crowd for now or stall.

Adam’s out, Allison’s in.
Adam’s doing Leno instead.
http://www.ainow.org/index.php/tidbits/1464-abc-ticket-website-adam-lambert-mini-concert-canceled

claudette

12/02/2009 at 8:04 pm
How humiliating for Adam to MC 2 Balls yet not sing at either. So, he’ll introduce Allison and Kris and not sing??? Man he sooo screwed up. Nothing is about music for him. I’m so embarrassed for him.

I seriously doubt he has a problem with MCing. Its great exposure for him. These stations promoting him and playing his music is what counts. So what if he doesn’t get 20 minutes on stage? Those 20 minutes aren’t selling albums. These are not televised or even radio broadcasted events so its not like you are reaching a broader audience. Adam can MC all of these he likes and save his voice for situations that will reach a broad audience like his late night appearences.

nvm

Well, at least radio’s still having him on their shows. AJ In the Morning tweeted this just a bit ago:

Adam Lambert in studio 2morrow morning at 7:15 on Star 94.1. RT this for a chance to join him! (5 random people will win)

Twitter has gone wild. At first someone said it was because Jimmy’s mother passed. Really? What are they going to do? Have blank space in that broadcasting spot? I never believed that.

Why are they blackballing Adam like this? He stood his ground, but in a respectful way.

So now are we to expect that there is no New Yrs appearance.

I have filed a complaint. I was level-headed in my words although what I really wanted to do is smack them upside the head.

http://abc.go.com/site/contact-us

this reminds me of writers being blackballed during the “Red Scare”

time for some of the TALENT on ABC to speak the fuck up if they have the balls and the integrity

ABC really want to make him pay for the gay

The “Rock My town” will include all 3 of them so that reason is false.

Looks like Allison was just added to sing, so why can’t any radio station fit Adam in to sing at all? He’s got to sing to sell the album. MC ing is sooo humiliating with all these stars. That’s what you do when your on your way out of your career, not just starting.

Aside from Barbara Walters (as noted on the other thread, which started out congratulating Adam on his sales figures and ended with his cancellations/bans by ABC), which pretty much has to keep Adam on, to avoid evoking a firestorm (and b/c it has been publicized everywhere and it’s ALREADY BEEN TAPED), I don’t know if you’ll ever see Adam on ABC again. If he ends up The View, then good, I was wrong, but I don’t see it happening. NBC and CBS, OTOH (along with FOX, etc.) get the victor’s spoils.

And I really do feel for Allison, b/c I know a lot of people who won’t watch her on Jimmy Kimmel (I for one). That puts her in an unenviable position.

Curiouser and curiouser

How humiliating for Adam to MC 2 Ball

And this is your most amusing post to date, Claudette.

AJinthemorning
Adam Lambert in studio 2morrow morning at 7:15 on Star 94.1. RT this for a chance to join him! (5 random people will win)

I responded on the other thread before I saw this one – so just copying and pasting:

I think if Adam is actually permanently banned from a network, that’s kind of awesome. It’s all so very rock and roll LOL. It’s like abc is going to instantly turn Adam into a badass rock star. At this point, I find this whole situation Entirely amusing.

All the Twitter loonies should just chill and stop spreading and repeating rumors. The craziness happening on Twitter is worse than getting canceled.

Adam clearly has a bunch of tv appearences coming up and with kimmel’s ratings, losing that one is not that big of a deal.

People really buy plane tickets to fly to a show with a two song set? That’s a huge waste of money and time.

Adam just tweeted. ABC cancelled his appearances on Kimmel and NYE. Said it’s FCC heat. Wow.

Looks like Allison was just added to sing, so why can’t any radio station fit Adam in to sing at all? He’s got to sing to sell the album. MC ing is sooo humiliating with all these stars. That’s what you do when your on your way out of your career, not just starting.

All what stars? They are not all ‘A’ listers.

Also says he is doing Leno and is looking into another New Years Eve program. Wow. Just. Wow.

webster
12/02/2009 at 8:01 pm
WTF?

koshka
12/02/2009 at 8:05 pm
I’ll second that’ ¦. WTF??

I third that WTF

I

think Adam is hosting the Jingle Balls because 19 didn’t get their act together soon enough; the performance rosters are pretty much filled at this point.

Didn’t I just read that Allison was added to the Z100 Jimgle Ball? Isn’t she performing? So how hard would it have been to add Adam as a performer?

I knew they’d never have him on the ABC New Year’s Eve show. He’ll be added to the Fox event with Kris and Allison. And I doubt the story is over either because Disney owns ABC so more shoes will drop.

Ouch. NYE could have been huge for him. Don’t see how he can dig his way out. I do feel really bad for him.

Wow, that’s just all kinds of wrong. I am honestly shocked.

Seriously, was the AMA performance that bad?

adamlambert

1. It’ll all blow over. Let’s focus on being positive! 2 minutes ago from Echofon
2. I AM doing Leno though. And lookin into something for NYE. 2 minutes ago from Echofon
3. Yes, sadly friends, ABC has cancelled my appearances on Kimmel and NYE. don’t blame them. It’s the FCC heat. 3 minutes ago from Echofon

Adam just tweeted. ABC cancelled his appearances on Kimmel and NYE. Said it’s FCC heat. Wow.

Also says he is doing Leno and is looking into another New Years Eve program. Wow. Just. Wow.

My head has now officially exploded.

Adam just tweeted. ABC cancelled his appearances on Kimmel and NYE. Said it’s FCC heat. Wow.

Well damn. The FCC ain’t playing with that ass. LOL

Absolutely incredible. What year is this?

There is nothing “embarrassing” about hosting the jingle balls rather than performing. Big music stars host all the time. You are in front of the audience for the whole show rather than just a song or two. Your album gets promoted up the wazzu and the station spins your music and repeats your name. No pity needed here. It is a GOOD thing to host the z1oo jingle ball

Absolutely incredible. What year is this?

The year the FCC says “fuck that”. Apparently. Heh.

I know Adam has to put on a brave front, but if I were him I would feel like shit right now.

SpenserJ
12/02/2009 at 8:11 pm
I responded on the other thread before I saw this one ‘“ so just copying and pasting:

I think if Adam is actually permanently banned from a network, that’s kind of awesome. It’s all so very rock and roll LOL. It’s like abc is going to instantly turn Adam into a badass rock star. At this point, I find this whole situation Entirely amusing.

SpenserJ I was pissed before… now, yes, this is just amusing. Thanks FCC and ABC for the additional media attention. In my world this is good… LOL Adam will land a new New Year’s eve gig… he has Leno as a replacement. LOL

I wouldn’t assume Adam’s putting on a front. He seems to be handling this just fine. I don’t think this is a big deal at all. The other networks seem more than willing to pick up the slack when ABC has no balls.

Oh, this won’t be all over the news. WTF? This reeks of homophobia!

Tampa better not cancel or I’m going to hurt someone.

I don’t think that this has anything to do with the kiss, so to speak. After all, ABC did not edit that out—what it edited out was the fake fallatio and shooting the bird. It has to do with inserting sexual content into a performance after the producers had watched the rehearsals, and then saying in interviews that he was proud of having lost himself in the performance and adding the sexual content. I know that he’s changed what he’s saying in interviews to be more conciliatory, but ultimately, what ABC/Disney are saying is “Don’t f*ck with the Mouse.”

From EW

http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/12/02/adam-lambert-jimmy-kimmel-canceled/

RE: Not blaming ABC. Um. ALL the networks are accountable to the FCC. Yet, NBC and CBS don’t seem to have a problem booking him. It’s all ABC.

From Lyndsey Parker:

Oy. #ShameOnYouFCC 5 minutes ago from web

You go, Lyndsey! Expect trending.

NYE is also cancelled. Adam just tweeted.

Adam tweeted…they cancelled his appearance on Dick Clark’s Rockin’ New Year’s Eve, too.

Adamlambert

It’ll all blow over. Let’s focus on being positive!
3 minutes ago from Echofon

I AM doing Leno though. And lookin into something for NYE.
3 minutes ago from Echofon

Yes, sadly friends, ABC has cancelled my appearances on Kimmel and NYE. don’t blame them. It’s the FCC heat.
4 minutes ago from Echofon

Wow, just wow. ABC just bought Adam a whole hell of a lot of publicity except now it is good publicity. The media is going to explode over this.

Tampa better not cancel or I’m going to hurt someone.

They’re promoting the hell out of it. They are treating Adam as the emcee as a big “get” for them. Plus, 93.3 loves controversy, and they love to look like rebels. They’re not cancelling, and neither will any of the other radio events.

I wonder how much more free press this will be good for?

Your album gets promoted up the wazzu and the station spins your music and repeats your name. No pity needed here. It is a GOOD thing to host the z1oo jingle ball

So let me understand this jingle ball thing. It is done over the radio? Is this correct? and they will mention & repeat Adam’s name though out the show & he speaks and introduces every performer? OK.. so instead of hearing a live performance of a song or two, they get a constant reminder of who he is through the entire jingle ball. LOL yeah.. thats a bad gig. LOL

As much as I dislike Gene Simmons, he was right about homophobia.

I’m not entirely sure if the AMA performance is hurting Adam’s career right now, or giving him the type of free publicity any new artist can only dream about… I guess only time will tell.

I feel bad for him, however you do reap what you sew. ABC is probably between a rock and a hard place, and it was Adam’s actions that put it there.
Eh, I’m just happy I’m not invested in this. I would never be able to live my life with this constant rollercoaster going on.

And I don’t think there is a case. Screw you ABC

Adam will win when all is said and done. WATCH IT HAPPEN.

(It doesn’t mean I don’t think it sucks, b/c I do, and now I’m going to cry when I watch him on Ellen again on my DVR. )

Adam just tweeted. ABC cancelled his appearances on Kimmel and NYE. Said it’s FCC heat. Wow.

Well, it can’t be the FCC directly because then Adam would be banned on every network. So, it is ABC. Interesting that Adam chose to tweet in that manner. Seems he’s attempting to deflect the heat from ABC. Sorry, but that ain’t working for me. If ABC/Disney wants to take over the role of arbitrator of our morals, they better start by giving up Desperate Housewives.

I am Speechless. Is this happening in the supposedly land of freedom?

HOLY FUCKING CRAP. I SERIOUSLY AM SHITTING BRICKS. I CANNOT believe this!!!

I just cannot – I have no words. I just don’t .

Just when Adam was hoping to refocus on the music, now it all starts again.

I know that he’s changed what he’s saying in interviews to be more conciliatory, but ultimately, what ABC/Disney are saying is ‘Don’t f*ck with the Mouse.’ 

Last week they said “Don’t fuck with the Mouse”. This week they’re saying “psst, the Mouse has no balls”.

Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was bothered but not surprised that they cancelled the GMA appearance because I thought maybe it was just a slap on the hand type of thing but to cancel Kimmel and the NYE thing???
WTF!!!! I think it’s gotten a little out of hand now. I’m glad there are not many shows on ABC that I like to watch because I definitely won’t be watching that channel anymore.

anyone know how to get z100 jingle ball tickets or how it works?

Once again. I highly highly doubt that. ABC will receive any fine from the FCC this is all completely punitive and ridiculous.

I don’t think that this has anything to do with the kiss, so to speak. After all, ABC did not edit that out’”what it edited out was the fake fallatio and shooting the bird. It has to do with inserting sexual content into a performance after the producers had watched the rehearsals, and then saying in interviews that he was proud of having lost himself in the performance and adding the sexual content. I know that he’s changed what he’s saying in interviews to be more conciliatory, but ultimately, what ABC/Disney are saying is ‘Don’t f*ck with the Mouse.’ 

Yeah, I think that’s it too. They give a newbie a HHUUUGGGEEE break letting him close the show. They vetted his performance before hand, blocked the shots, etc etc, then he gets on stage and goes off script, getting them FCC heat. So, I’m thinking they are a tad pissed. So, until they work it out with the FCC, they ain’t taking any chances. ANd they want to send a message to other artists not to screw around.

I do think it will blow over eventually, and in the meantime Adam’s PR team can spin this in their favor.

Cheer up Suebrody, he will come back from this. BTW – I am glad you are back.

Wow, just wow. ABC just bought Adam a whole hell of a lot of publicity except now it is good publicity. The media is going to explode over this.

it’s taking the focus off the music again… unless the controversy is going to be exploited to help drive sales… cynical, but i put nothing past anyone..

LOL

WTF? Why would they keep canceling his performances??
This truly sucks…I hope they reconsider the NYC thing though, I was really looking forward to that…oh well…Im sure Adam and his peeps will think of something.

Our local radio station has all of the jingle ball ticket info on their website, so I’d assume z100 does as well.

You know, I always hate it when non fans come onto the thread of my favorite Idol and say nasty things, but OMG! My schadenfreude is leaking. Adam has learned the hard way you can’t f*ck with the FCC! Couldn’t have happened to a “better” person, lol. And Yay for Allison getting the gig instead. She deserves more exposure to her music than she’s had. Who cares if a bunch a Glamberts don’t watch? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Not that stupid Twitter trending. I’m sure the FCC, ABC and Disney will come to their senses when they see that’s trending #1 on Twitter.:)

Adam is in a pretty lousy situation now. I’m not exactly sure what 19 is going to do to dig him out oft. Too bad they weren ‘t on top of this from the beginning. Now it’s really turned into a mess.

On the other hand, 19 allowed Adam to push the envelope on the tour. If they wanted to reign him in they could have done it then. They thought his act was fine for a family show. So I guess he thought he’d push it a little further for ABC. So in a way, they’re too blame for this mess as well.

RE: Not blaming ABC. Um. ALL the networks are accountable to the FCC. Yet, NBC and CBS don’t seem to have a problem booking him. It’s all ABC.

Good point! Fuck ABC! This makes them seem like homophobic bullys.

This reeks of homophobia!

With due respect, what it reeks of is business. The fact is that formal complaints have been made against ABC to the FCC that name Adam Lambert’s performance specifically.

Their legal team would tell them NOT to have him appear on the network until such time as these complaints have been dealt with. Considering the Nipplegate incident has still not been settled, this could be awhile.

Not saying it their aren’t a whole lot of issues wrapped up here, but I do think it is mostly legal and about risk management (i.e. avoiding fines and lost of sponsorship)

Focusing on the positive…..

He has Conan, Barbara Walters, Jay Leno and unconfirmed Larry King appearances in the next while.

Not to shabby at all!!

And, frankly, I think just one of these is likely worthy 10 Jimmy Kimmels.

There is nothing ‘embarrassing’  about hosting the jingle balls rather than performing. Big music stars host all the time.

That’s fine. However, I certainly hope they are not just “afraid” to have Adam perform. How can anyone base his entire character from one measly 4 minute performance!?!?

unfortunately for ABC, Adam looks like a victim and the fact he is telling everyone not ABC’s fault, FCC’s fault, makes him look like a real good guy.

Now, he looks like a persecuted rock star– persecuted rock stars become persecuted rock gods elevated but their noteriety (and really big balls)

I like the good news! Hosting Z100 and and the Tampa Jingle shows are great for Adam and his fans. Also his upcoming t.v. appearances are good news.

I just don’t get what he did that was so bad. (I don’t need it explained to me because I know what he did, I just don’t think it’s that bad. lol)

It’s just unbelievable that ABC could be so ruthless and rude.

Zsus
12/02/2009 at 8:20 pm
RE: Not blaming ABC. Um. ALL the networks are accountable to the FCC. Yet, NBC and CBS don’t seem to have a problem booking him. It’s all ABC.

I tweeted essentially this question to Lyndsey P and Jim C. Jim responded – his guess is that ABC is on a short leash with the FCC after the AMAs whereas NBC has more of a clean slate. Who knows…

JenOhio
12/02/2009 at 8:26 pm

Cheer up Suebrody, he will come back from this. BTW ‘“ I am glad you are back.

Thank you. And yes, yes, he will. Radio stations are going to go wild over this. I hope WWFM gets a million extra spins. And God know I’m done with ABC. Witch hunt.

edit: leave the call to arms to your fansites please

It won’t hurt Adam but he clearly knows he’ll have to change tactics in the future, hence his contrite, subdued Ellen appearance. His AMA performance gave him the publicity boost he wanted but he pissed off a network in the process and I doubt he’ll do that again.

Regardless of whether or not ABC is overreacting, they have the right to cancel, just like Pepsi had the right to cancel their contract with Madonna after Like a Prayer. Adam will survive and so will ABC and hopefully Adam takes this and learns from it. Sometimes consequences last longer than bargained for.

It may be the FCC (official story) AND a big ticket conservative advertiser that’s putting pressure on ABC/Disney for being too pro-gray (the story they won’t tell you about).

Okay, I’m back on the other side of the fence. ABC is definitely punishing him but the punishment in this instance does NOT fit the crime. Sure, they can reschedule Kimmel for the New Year but you want the push to be done during the peak shopping periods and NOT during the January doldrums when albums are lucky to sell 90K to be #1 on Billboard. And the New Year’s Rockin’ Eve cancellation is ridiculous.

I wonder if Simon Fuller will put pressure on Fox to have Adam on their NYE show. (Of course, then you’ll have Kradison on, but hey, any publicity on NYE is a good thing.)

Uh wow. I can’t believe I’m saying this since I’m one who hated his AMA performance but I really do feel bad for him now. Lesson learned though I suppose. The GMA cancellation would have been enough just to get the message across.

I think ABC thought they had Adam over a barrel after he went off script at the AMAs and they slapped his hand by cancelling GMA…and then they waited patiently for Adam to apologize to them. Didn’t happen and then RCA and 19E got him booked with CBS. And then Adam is scheduled on Kimmel and it is announced that he is also going to be on NBC with both Conan and Leno and, I am sure, ABC blew a wad. So, of course, they cancel Adam to show him….and since NYE is coming up they just blast him one more time.

ABC is looking like the poorest loosers in town…and Adam is covering their asses by saying their is an FCC bru-ha-ha…..and if the FCC is really considering fining ABC then that is just going to bring out all the CIVIL Liberties attorneys in droves and Gay rights will be front and center.

ABC/Disney you just suck….but since I don’t watch a thing on ABC anymore and haven’t for years (except Fast Forward…which like Heros is going old and stupid real fast)…I’ll just kiss the station goodbye. I know I am just a little fish but it is the least I can do to express my displeasure….especially since I saw nothing wrong at the AMAs with Adam’s performance.

He has Conan, Barbara Walters, Jay Leno and unconfirmed Larry King appearances in the next while.

Oh, that LKL appearance will be confirmed. The gay guy permanently banned from one of the big 3 networks? Yep – that’s an interview Larry wants to have. No doubt. Larry probably just decided to make Adam’s segment longer.

anyone know how to get z100 jingle ball tickets or how it works?

I think it’s sold out. The radio station has the remaining tickets, so you have to listen to Z100!

The Z1oo jingle ball has been sold out for a while. Those little girls love Taylor Swift!

Right here with you Suebrody. I will send my personal thoughts to ABC tomorrow. Keep the faith!

Adam never exposed anything. He didnt expose a nipple, and certainly not his D—, you get the idea. JUST EXACTLY WHAT DID HE DO WRONG, that all the others on the show didnt do!!! Oh Boy, this is sure gonna go crazy with the media. I suggest everyone go hibernate for a week, or get on some good meds!

mmb
12/02/2009 at 8:26 pm
Once again. I highly highly doubt that. ABC will receive any fine from the FCC this is all completely punitive and ridiculous.

Thank you MMB – I just about lost my head. It is punitive – god, I never wanted Adam Lambert’s destiny to become the subject of obsenity cases discussed in law review articles but mark my word it will. Spenser J, I hope you are right -

This is more than just a little slap on the wrist. It smacks of the same ilk as banning books. I hope this comes back to bite ABC in the “you know what”!

I don’t think Allison replacing Adam is a good thing. People will not see this as a coup for her and some may be really pissed she’s on. I don’t think this is a position she wants to be in.

ABC SUCKS, this is totally ridiculous!!!

Anyone else going to Tampa??? I AM!!! I bought tickets for myself & my husband a few nights ago. We got the celebrity club seats so I hope to goodness that I get a chance to meet Adam!!!

somebody should let Perez Hilton know LOL
j/k…Adam tweeted that this will all blow over and hopefully hes right…but idk…too many negative repercussions for ONE single performance…
ABC needs to get over it and give him a chance…and Adam needs to recognize that what he did was not appropriate for the circumstances, although hes already addressed this…I think if he issued an apology they would let him perform…but id he doesnt then chances are hes gonna have to work around this ordeal….
maybe he knew about the cancellations and thats why his responses seem different this week.
Guess we shall have to wait and see.

Trina
12/02/2009 at 8:31 pm
Uh wow. I can’t believe I’m saying this since I’m one who hated his AMA performance but I really do feel bad for him now.

Don’t feel bad… this sucks, but I really think in the end he gains from this… precisely because people who agreed with you about the AMAs will now agree with you about the wrongness of the cancellations. He gets tons… TONS … of free publicity, ends up on Leno, will likely do a different NYE show, and becomes the poster child against censorship.

I would have thought that this is the safest time to have Adam on any live show .. he’s most likely to be on his best behaviour so as not to ruffle any feathers.

Way too many hand wringers in this world and far too few people willing to take that leap towards the sun.

Anyone would think he had murdered someone .. insead of kissing a bloke and being a bit kinky on an adult show shown way after the watershed in TV viewing (or perhaps the US has a different watershed time in regards to TV viewing than here in the UK)

We had the same problem here with The Sex Pistols .. and it didn’t do them any harm in the long run .. it must be a rough time for Adam at the moment .. but he seems a tough cookie .. he has a lot of support so hopefully this will blow over and next year people will see him for the incredible talent that he is. .. he probably won’t push the boundaries as far for a long time .. but I hope that he doesn’t have to hold back too much on that fabulous free spirit which for me has made him exciting and a thrill to watch.

Hosting Z100 and and the Tampa Jingle shows are great for Adam and his fans

Of course any public appearance is great…but why isn’t any one asking why he isn’t performing?

Not that stupid Twitter trending. I’m sure FCC, ABC and Disney will come to their senses when they see that’s trending #1 on Twitter.:)

LOL. “Power” to the people.

Well, unless the media decides this story is a re-hash of the GMA cancellation (IE old news in a new package), this will definitely get Adam some more free publicity for week #2 of album sales. IDK. The question is really whether all this publicity is converting people into fans of the music. His career so far has been about everything but the music…

have never seen anything like this in my life. Never. A network boycotting a performer over something like this??? Seriously! I have never seen great hypocrisy in my life! You know how much crap ABC shows on evening TV???? And they pull ADAM???

As I said, this reeks of homophobia! I’ve heard the word Fuck on the GMA morning show. I’ve seen rappers grab their dicks for years. I’ve seen violence and rapes depicted on crime shows that give me nightmares. I’ve seen girls grab guy’s crotches and guys grab all sorts of body parts on girls.

It’s homophobia.

Karmic payback never fails. Don’t be po’d at ABC or the FCC. Adam is the one that brought this on. Simulated oral sex whether gay or straight is not allowed, at least not in that time slot. This is not about being homophobic.

Anyone else going to Tampa??? I AM!!! I bought tickets for myself & my husband a few nights ago. We got the celebrity club seats so I hope to goodness that I get a chance to meet Adam!!!

I HOPE YOU GET TO MEET ADAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apparently, Bill O’Reilly is doing a segment on Adam right now. I bet he supports him fully. *sarcasm* Hope msnbc counters (Rachel Maddow, where are you?).

z100 jingle ball is SOLD OUT damn!

ABC…Absolutely Boorish Censors? At 2 pm eastern their soap ‘One Life To Live’ features a gay storyline where the two male lovers are often shirtless and kissing. They are such hypocrites. This is a double double standard! It defies logic! I am so mad. Stay strong Adam and fellow Glamberts!

I heard Adam went to Burger King recently and they messed up his order. I’m sure Justin Timberlake would have gotten his Whopper the way he ordered it….HOMOPHOBIA!!!111eleventy!!11. Seriously, does everything negative that happens to Adam have to inspire a kneejerk cry of discrimination. Plenty of artists get slapped on the hand by sponsors or networks. They do what Adam is doing by shutting up and letting the storm pass. He pissed off a business partner who originally put their faith in him and now they’ve made a business decision to cut ties for now.

I am thoroughly po’d at ABC.

I think this is a really bad move for Allison’s team.

4evrmomof4

The JingleBall has been sold out for weeks. Has nothing to do with Adam hosting the gig.

Ok gang. Here is the FCC chairman contact email

IMO, Better to just let Adam handle it. Fan gang responses just make the artist look lame and idolly.

I’m not an Adam fan, but these cancellations feel petty to me. Totally speculating, but I actually think its more that Adam made an enemy at ABC by not playing ball, then any real concern of FCC violations/public outcry if Adam went off script again.

Laurie
12/02/2009 at 8:37 pm
Karmic payback never fails. Don’t be po’d at ABC or the FCC. Adam is the one that brought this on. Simulated oral sex whether gay or straight is not allowed, at least not in that time slot

Funny… All I saw was a face plant to crotch.

his guess is that ABC is on a short leash with the FCC

I’m sorry but this is pretty naive. One thing has nothing to do with the other. He could kill somebody live on tv one day and still go back to that channel the next, FCC doesn’t ask for bans and things don’t get worse because the same artist gets back or anything. It doesn’t work like that at all.

Adam is getting b***h slapped all out of proportion to the “crime” – at least that’s the way it appears now. It’s not just about Adam, I think it’s pretty clear someone has an agenda and it has NOTHING to do with the FCC. If complaints to the FCC in the miniscule amount that they received regarding the AMAs were that effective Dancing With The Stars among other programs would have been cancelled long ago.

I’m going to the Tampa show, bought the celebrity club seats. I’m looking forward to thanking Adam in person for being such a strong, brave, talented man. I need a new outfit

Some major sponsor probably went to the FCC and is threatening ABC with pulling all their adds or something. Because what Adam did at the AMA’s really wasn’t awful enough to get him banned from the network, unless some bigwig is puutting major pressure on the execs.

Let’s see:

Adam gets canceled from GMA
Adam gets canceled from Jimmy Kimmel
Adam gets canceled from RNYE

Hrrrm….just a coincidence? I’m gonna go with no here. I guess his contrite responses on Ellen didn’t satisfy the ABC management.

NBC, CBS, FOX, and other stations benefit. Hopefully, Adam can return to MAKING MUSIC AGAIN. (Why does the song “Let the music play, we’re gonna get away” seem so relevant right now?)

Adam Storm, indeed. But nobody thought that it was Adam who would be rained on.

Paging Nigel Lythgoe for SYTYCD! You can’t get more primetime than that.

I think FOX will step up for their NYE show.

This.just.sucks.

19/RCA should be taking some of this heat along with Adam. They are the ones that approved of FYE for the performance in the first place.

Guys we just have to call it like it is. Adam made a mistake. He took a risk and in this case the risk didn’t work out! It was too early in his career for him to try and pull something like that. I am a HUGE fan…saw him 3 times on tour and follow everything about him. I was so disappointed with the AMA debacle for this very reason. He is majorly talented and all I wanted was for everyone to see how awesome he is. Instead we are dealing with all this other shit. It is not homophobia it is just a matter of Adam took it too far. I am NOT a prude but his perfrmance was tasteless. Adam got caught up in the moment and ABC has every right to say….I don’t think so dude.

I never want Adam to stop taking risks, but sometimes common sense needs to step in. Unfortunately, he didn’t use common sense that night and is now paying the price.

I just want this to blow over ASAP. It kills me that this is overshadowing what I think is one of the best albums EVER!!

They do what Adam is doing by shutting up and letting the storm pass. He pissed off a business partner who originally put their faith in him and now they’ve made a business decision to cut ties for now.

Yup. Although Justin T. had to lay low for two years to get away from Nipplegate. He came back with a roar though.

Apparently the public and the fcc and the networks have no problem with showing the victorias secret fashion show in prime time on network tv (which was models walking around in extra small underwear with their boobs and butts hanging out) but a fully clothed gay guy in a three piece suit has a dancer put his head near his crotch and that is the crime of the century? Give me a break!

I think that ABC has their hands tied because they are the network that had Adam on. If the same thing had happened on CBS or NBC I think they would be the ones on the hot seat. They are not the ones in trouble, so they are okay with having Adam o their network right now.

Of course any public appearance is great’ ¦but why isn’t any one asking why he isn’t performing?.

I asked this question on one of the other threads and someone there thought that RCA hadn’t made arrangements in advance for Adam to perform and now all these shows have booked all their performers so they can offer him some guest hosting but don’t have room in their lineups for performances.

The thing is Adam needs to be out there performing. Right now he’s facing an uphill battle in that he still has the AMA performance hanging over his head, as evidenced by the cancellations of his performances. While he has great first week sales numbers, he needs to connect outside his fanbase now. And the best way for him to do that is to perform his music, rather than just being the host of a show full of other performers or being in the news as a personality.

WOW just wow . this is some serious punishment. but it’s their station and it’s their call. i have never watched both shows before and wld have stayed awake just to watch him but too bad. I’ll catch Allison the next day on this site.

the funny thing is that it looks like he got Leno because kimmel cancelled. so as they cancel he gets new gigs and they cancel out each other. whatever.

I think this is a really bad move for Allison’s team.

I totally agree. I don’t think her replacing Adam is doing her any favors.

This is WRONG. He didn’t whip out his penis…PUHLEASE!!! What’s so wrong with oral sex anyway? Big deal!!! Penis’ sometimes end up in people’s mouths. GASP! Yes, it’s true. Whatever.

This is because he is a gay man. Nothing more. Violence is so much more offensive. What harm has he really done to anyone? Sheesh! The AMAs are full of crude humor, innuendoes, glamorization of sex, violence, drugs…um…that’s music and rock and roll!

Tess
12/02/2009 at 8:40 pm

I think this is a really bad move for Allison’s team.

I agree 100 percent, and this is not what she needed right now.

I wonder if this also means Oprah won’t be able to have him on her show. That would have been a huge album sales push.

I think if he issued an apology they would let him perform

I don’t see this at all. They are facing fines–which I expect won’t be levied–which happens often enough, but until it is settled, I don’t think he will appear on ABC.

I think you will find that Adam makes no more specific comments. Nor should he. He’s responded plenty and won’t be apologizing.

Done and done.

Karmic payback never fails. Don’t be po’d at ABC or the FCC. Adam is the one that brought this on. Simulated oral sex whether gay or straight is not allowed, at least not in that time slot. This is not about being homophobic.

Nope, DWTS had a similar move. But it was between a girl and a guy. It’s homophobic.

Dammit, I want to see Adam in concert. 19E, how about scheduling a concert a.s.a.p. The Beacon Theatre in NYC is a beautiful venue – newly renovated with a long history of iconic acts. Get on it! Fans wanna hear him sing and see him perform. He’s here for our entertainment. Whataya waiting for?

Rant, rave, hitting computer, pissed, frustrated…..

Apparently, Bill O’Reilly is doing a segment on Adam right now. I bet he supports him fully. *sarcasm*

My husband was watching this and called me in, knowing my interest. The “body language” gal was on, supposedly reading Adam’s body language as he was answering questions on The Early Show. She interpreted his comments and body language as defiant and attention seeking. Yuck! I left the room at that point.

This week they’re saying ‘psst, the Mouse has no balls’ .

But if Adam says ABC’s is not the guilty one, does that mean Adam has negative balls?

I think this is a really bad move for Allison’s team.

I think it’s a great move. She’ll get twice the promo, which is what she needs.

whoa!

I thought his performance was terrible too, but even I think that is too much. It’s over and done with.

I hated the AMA performance, but was it really THAT bad?

So funny, mob shoot-outs on General Hospital at two in the afternoon are fine; but racy/raunchy musical performances at 10 or 11:00 at night are ban-worthy.

I need a new outfit

LOL. Thanks for making me laugh. I needed that. Hope whatever you get is spectacular.

his guess is that ABC is on a short leash with the FCC

I’m sorry but this is pretty naive. One thing has nothing to do with the other. He could kill somebody live on tv one day and still go back to that channel the next, FCC doesn’t ask for bans and things don’t get worse or better if the same artist gets back or anything. It doesn’t work like that at all.

It was just the Sonia Ryman (sp) body language piece. No big deal. She said he was not contrite about what he did, blah, blah.

This is WRONG. He didn’t whip out his penis’ ¦PUHLEASE!!! What’s so wrong with oral sex anyway? Big deal!!! Penis’ sometimes end up in people’s mouths. GASP! Yes, it’s true. Whatever.

LOL. So if it happens behind closed doors, it deserves to be broadcast on TV during an awards show!

My God.

I think FOX will step up for their NYE show.

I’m not sure if they will just because that might be Idol overkill for NYE since they have Allison and Kris already. They may be the Idol home station but they should want more for their shows then just AI alums.

webster
12/02/2009 at 8:40 pm
Ok gang. Here is the FCC chairman contact email

IMO, Better to just let Adam handle it. Fan gang responses just make the artist look lame and idolly.

webster I for the most part agree with you.. but I gotta say that I am sick and tired of groups of people in this country dictating morality to me… whether we are talking politicians legislating morality, religious groups holding protests outside of idol concerts, ABC & the FCC having subjective guideline to my viewing. This outrages me. I’m so glad there are so many people looking out to save me from myself. I’m not sure what I would do without them.

Tess
12/02/2009 at 8:40 pm
I think this is a really bad move for Allison’s team.

Nah! Its a great move.
Her team are not going after Idol fans, she got 4th place out of them. They’re going for the general public with her distinctive in your face performance and music.

I am an Allison super fan and I am thrilled at Allison’s new opportunity.
That said, ABC has taken this too far. The GMA thing was understandable because it was so soon after the AMA. But this is too much.

Think of what our president Clinton did, hey but we didnt get to watch lol, he didnt get kicked out of office.

And I just said to my hubby tonight that it was good that Tiger Woods was taking the heat this week instead of Adam…

On a positive note……..Adam and his tour will be one hot ticket. Everyone will want to know what the fuss is all about. Mark my words!

Am I nuts or didn’t someone just post that Allison has been added as a last minute performer on one of those Jingle Balls. You know AFTER Adam had signed on as a host because there wasn’t room for any more performers.

Jim Cantiello tweets…

Jambajim

#Hi @adamlambert! U are more than welcome to hang with me & Jess on NYE. We will be playing Catan and spinning awesome vinyl all night.
33 minutes ago from UberTwitter

#Dear Dick Clark, the married couple’s kiss on tonight’s SYTYCD was just as graphic as Adam Lambert’s AMA smooch. Just sayin’. Love, Jim
19 minutes ago from UberTwitter

I think it great twitter trying to trend something positive instead anger toward ABC #AdamBringsChange

Positive message

I figured the sell out was b4 Adam was announced, was just expressing frustration cause I would have gone just to see him host

I think these cancellations, and some of the reactions, really demonstrate how little people understand about TV, the FCC and broadcast standards.

Karmic payback never fails. Don’t be po’d at ABC or the FCC. Adam is the one that brought this on. Simulated oral sex whether gay or straight is not allowed, at least not in that time slot. This is not about being homophobic.

So ABC blurring a man on man kiss is not homophobic to you. Quel suprise. Granted Adam went too far with simulated oral sex but blurring a same sex male kiss and allowing same sex female kiss becomes homophobia and relates to the AMA performance. There is a complaint by over 1 million people to the FCC based on the following and the FCC is complying as is ABC.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=share&gid=206943891778

Note it’s all about man stuff… the horrors.

It’s homophobia.

so sick of this being trotted out… it’s about one thing being done in rehearsal, and another thing being done, and broadcast out over live television… adam made a conscious decision to push the envelop and do what he did… he must own and accept the consequences for that decision… he was not bigger than the ama’s, he is not bigger than abc… people are being turned off by all this drama, which to me seems like another marketing ploy designed to sell records… when he turned the ama’s into his entertainment as opposed to the viewing audiences, he lost. he said he had fun, his band had fun up there. i wonder if he still feels it’s all been worth it…

wow…ABC put up quite a show.

This is WRONG. He didn’t whip out his penis’ ¦PUHLEASE!!! What’s so wrong with oral sex anyway? Big deal!!! Penis’ sometimes end up in people’s mouths. GASP! Yes, it’s true. Whatever.

Say it isn’t so!!!!!!!

It’s not a bad move for Allison. The world really doesn’t revolve around Adam Lambert. 19 could either let that performance slot go i
or use it for another of their artists.

ABC or the FCC. Adam is the one that brought this on. Simulated oral sex whether gay or straight is not allowed, at least not in that time slot. This is not about being homophobic.

Wrong, I guess you don’t watch DWTS and SYTYCD. They simulate oral sex all the time and it’s earlier. No wonder they get more complains daily than the AMA got.

Also, oral sex isn’t okay, but Janet’s handjob at 7PM is? Okay then.

He could kill somebody live on tv one day and still go back to that channel the next, FCC doesn’t ask for bans and things don’t get worse or better if the same artist gets back or anything. It doesn’t work like that at all.

Jim’s guess was that if something were to go wrong with Adam’s performance, ABC stands to get in more trouble than NBC would, since they already have the AMA strikes against them – and therefore more of a risk for ABC than NBC… but that’s all it was, a guess in response to my question.

This is WRONG. He didn’t whip out his penis’ ¦PUHLEASE!!! What’s so wrong with oral sex anyway? Big deal!!! Penis’ sometimes end up in people’s mouths. GASP! Yes, it’s true. Whatever.

LOL. So if it happens behind closed doors, it deserves to be broadcast on TV during an awards show!

My God.

Ditto that.

I pray that fans stay the hell out of this with the FCC. They will only make things worse for Adam.

So ABC blurring a man on man kiss is not homophobic to you. Quel suprise

ABC didn’t blurr or edit the kiss, CBS did. ABC just edited out the part where Adam thought it was cute to push a dancers face into his crotch. I’m not sure if they edited out the part where he also felt the need to make it look like he was fingering a female dancer.

uh oh… someone better tell courtney cox that her simulated BJ on Cougar Town is going to get her banned…. wait. what’s that? oh right – she’s straight. never mind. carry on!

Jim’s guess was that if something were to go wrong with Adam’s performance, ABC stands to get in more trouble than NBC would

Kimmel isn’t live. So, this doesn’t make sense.

Niall
12/02/2009 at 8:51 pm

It’s not a bad move for Allison. The world really doesn’t revolve around Adam Lambert. 19 could either let that performance slot go i
or use it for another of their artists.

I am an Adam fan and I agree with this….honestly I think Adam would want it for her too.

I think that the problem that most are having is that the network response is 1) hypocritical and 2) way out of proportion with the discretion. Canceling the GMA performance, petty and stupid but OK, fine, they got that out of their system. Banning an artist from any live performances on their network, totally overkill and uncalled for.

I didn’t like the AMA performance, quality-wise, but honestly, this is way too much. It’s just sad.

Double standards apparently are part of the core values of America (and I mean the continent).

I mean, he is not the first one that simulates oral sex on national tv.

Smellycat: That petition just frightens me. Some of the comments there are so scary. Poor Adam. I just want to hear him sing and sing and sing.

Am I nuts or didn’t someone just post that Allison has been added as a last minute performer on one of those Jingle Balls. You know AFTER Adam had signed on as a host because there wasn’t room for any more performers.

She;s listed as a special guest, not in the performers list

I pray that fans stay the hell out of this with the FCC. They will only make things worse for Adam.

I don’t. And I hope it’s more than just fans who are outraged by this. There is a bigger issue here. I hope people who aren’t even AI fans will see the hypocrisy and homophobia in this.

It doesn’t matter if ABC’s reaction is hypocritical or overkill. The can do whatever they want with their airtime. Adam pissed them off with his improvisational blow job and he knows it.

It’s not a bad move for Allison

it’s a good move for alli. hope her fans make the effort to go see her live.
it’s no biggie really, he loses abc’s audience but gets NBC’s, same thing as far as i’m concerned.

I think it is a great opportunity for Allison and am happy for her. Sadly as usual most of Adam’s publicity has nothing to do with his music and he really needed this Kimmel concert and New Year’s Eve appearance to promote his music. Lately it’s just been all about his terrible AMA performance. He should just not bother to try to schedule anything with ABC, I am for sure the Kimmel thing will not be rescheduled. He isn’t even performing at any Jingle Balls like Kris and Allison. Hopefully this will blow over, but it might be too early in Adam’s career for him to recover from it and with performance cancellations back and forth it will be hard for him to gain new fans.

Jae, I could not agree more. I get the GMA (even if I disagreed), but JK and RNYE? Um. Not so much.

And I still wouldn’t be surprised if ABC somehow managed to get Adam cut out of their Barbara Walters’ notable people show. Then again, they have on Sarah Palin, so people will tune in just for the controversy (tho they didn’t actually talk about it, I don’t think).

I think this is a really bad move for Allison’s team.

I totally agree. I don’t think her replacing Adam is doing her any favors.

It’s not going to do her any favors with Adam’s more unreasonable fans, but thankfully, neither they, or those who watch American Idol, make up the bulk of the music buying and listening public. Adam’s the one who has to deal with those people, while every body else can move on to people who can tell the difference between a tv show and the real world.

Probably right Tony. I don’t understand it. just upset. Thanks for pointing that out.

God, just let Adam sing, for Chrissake. Just put him on your freakin’ show, some program, and let him SING.

If I were Adam, I’d tell my “people,” let’s go overseas. Honest to God, I don’t think we deserve him here.

The hyprocrisy, hatred, HOMOPHOBIA – yep, homophobia, homophobia, homophobia – and love of all things violent is getting so old.

Being a committed “glass half full” kind of person, I AM going to quit getting rattled by idle speculation, rehashing, assinine comments about what Adam should and shouldn’t do.

I am with Adam, focusing on the positive.

Appearances on Barbara Walters special, Conan, Leno, Larry King and who knows what else!!!

Fanfuckingtastic!!!!!

I was typing when the tweets were posted, but that indicates that the FCC is doing an investigation. So not only did AL piss off ABC by inserting the sexual content and then being defiant about it, but right now? He’s costing ABC money and political capital.

FCC investigations are not cheap. I’m sure that Disney has in-house counsel who can bear some of the brunt of the work that this will involve, but odds are that this will require hiring some expensive Washington regulatory counsel to deal with this, possibly for a lot of billable hours. [Pauses, listens to sound of hope outside window here in Washington.] Some of the counsel involved in the other FCC decency cases cost $800 an hour. And the “cheaper” counsel, well, they aren’t that cheap either. I used to do regulatory work. Sure, this could blow over. But I would not be surprised if Nipplegate has had legal costs in the multiple millions. I don’t know that I would have made the same decision—if I wanted to ABC is not required to give additional promo to someone who has given it this much of a headache and cost them this much money and then went and bragged about it on Ryan Seacrest’s show.

And, no, there was no showing of additional skin. But I can’t say this strongly enough: This is about the fake fallatio. Period. And you will not convince me that if that had been a man having a woman fake fallatio on him or a woman having someone of either gender fake fallatio on her that the FCC would not be involved.

I pray that fans stay the hell out of this with the FCC. They will only make things worse for Adam.

I don’t. And I hope it’s more than just fans who are outraged by this. There is a bigger issue here. I hope people who aren’t even AI fans will see the hypocrisy and homophobia in this.

Maybe they will but petitions will just incur the wrath of the FCC more. Do you want Adam banned from every network because they do have the power to do that.

Let the media do their job. If they feel there is a story here, they will tell it (ask Tiger about that!). The fans need to leave this alone.

This is censorship in the most blatant form! No other way to put it! What century are we living in? ABC network is behaving like a Nazi patrol! They are basically banning Adam. I think it’s pretty obvious he got “the message” and has groveled enough, but apparently not enough for ABC’s homophobic tastes. And for Allison’s people to hone in like vultures-it’s just disgusting! I am boycotting ABC and will not back Allison (sorry) but her people are nothing but opportunistic vultures. Whether you “approve” of Adam, like him or not, any AMERICAN should be incensed by this type of censorship. This is outrageous!!!!!!!!

adam made a conscious decision to push the envelop and do what he did’ ¦ he must own and accept the consequences for that decision’ ¦ he was not bigger than the ama’s, he is not bigger than abc’ ¦ people are being turned off by all this drama, which to me seems like another marketing ploy designed to sell records’ ¦

ITA. Not only did he break his contract by changing his performance, he could also cost ABC millions of dollars in fines. On top of that, he started accusing ABC of discrimination before they’d even aired the AMAs on the West Coast. Not a smart move- piss off the network that’s most friendly to former Idols, then start verbally attacking them for something that didn’t even happen. Total diva attitude. Why should ABC want to work with him? They don’t owe him anything. He’s the one who needs to learn how to play nice. At least 19 seems to have maintained it’s relationship with ABC, and was able to get Alli a much deserved slot.

Hopefully this will blow over, but it might be too early in Adam’s career for him to recover from it and with performance cancellations back and forth it will be hard for him to gain new fans.

Right now Adam is getting publicity but it really isn’t the kind that will help him have longevity in the music business, though will keep him in our tabloids.

I fear Adam is in deep doo doo. Like someone said upthread, Kimmel isn’t live, so why should FCC regs be the problem. And also agree, if ABC has their way, he’ll be out of the Barbara Wawa special, too, unless she still has enough clout to override.

Yeah, lately it’s all about the controversy and not the music. One too many red bulls the night of that performance – and look where we are now. This is a nightmare.

Damn, this is the last thing Adam needs. I think everyone is sick of the drama.

That said, speaking as someone who has worked for a tv channel for more than a decade, ABC really has no choice. Dealing with the FCC is a bitch and since Adam caused the problem in the first place, there is no way they can risk having him appear again even though I’m sure they know there is zero percent chance he would do something inappropriate again.

I blame RCA/19 for this pickle, really. It was such hubris on their part for them to make Adam the closing performance of the AMAs. Everyone else was an established artist. It was Adam’s first big performance as a new artist (not an Idol singer) and RCA\19 should have realized it was too risky. I don’t blame Adam for taking the gig because it was such a huge opportunity, but I think RCA\19 never should have sought it. I thought all along it was a bad decision, though I was never thinking of FCC fines. I just thought there was too much pressure on Adam and feared Adam would give a bad performance (which he did, really). If RCA\19 hadn’t gotten so greedy and pushed Adam for a spot for which he hadn’t paid his dues, then this whole thing wouldn’t have happened.

She;s listed as a special guest, not in the performers list

Leona Lewis is coming to the Tampa one for nothing else but to sign autographs. Not everyone gets a performance slot. The hosting gig is a good one. (And, it did after all get him at least one spin on the Tampa station today – so hopefully it will start doing its job).

I think Allison should ABSOLUTELY do the Kimmel show. It’s not a ratings blockbuster, but she needs the promo. The Kimmel viewers will not be mad at her. The only people who know Adam was originally scheduled are people who’ve visited an AI site in the past 24 hours. I imagine they make up a small fraction of the Kimmel audience.

Plus, I reckon Adam would be pissed if his OTT fans started dumping on Allison for this with some crazy misplaced blame.

If I were Adam, I’d tell my ‘people,’  let’s go overseas. Honest to God, I don’t think we deserve him here.

That’s exactly what I was thinking. As a fan who would love to have Adam on shows and over here all the time, I’m ready to give that up.

He can come back and tour later.

ETA: I like Allison and will support her. I have bought her album. I will watch her on ANYTHING other than ABC. I do wish her luck on Kimmel though. (and I’m sure Adam will, also)

OMG, I checked the line up for the Z100 Jingle Ball and saw Kanye West and Chris Brown listed as performers. ( they performed on the 2008 Jingle Ball), Can you imagine them performing this year with Taylor Swift and Adam.

If Allison isn’t performing, then the fact that it’s too late to add performers makes sense.

And those who are stuck on the “ABC is homophobic” line of thought, this is the same network that has a gay male love triangle on daytime programming (One Life to Live) and prominent gay characters on some of their primetime programming. Adam is being “punished” because they built the AMA’s around him (and I’m pretty sure they knew he was gay beforehand), he didn’t do what was agreed to, and that clearly didn’t sit well with the bigwigs. Adam acted like an entitled, established star with leeway, not as a grateful newbie, and that was his mistake. His career will be fine and ABC will be fine too.

So, in the long run, does Adam win or lose from this latest ABC action? I say he wins. He stands to ‘win back’ some of those that he alienated from the AMAs who will see this as going too far. His existing fans become more passionate and devoted, he gets lots of free publicity and probably a bunch of celebrity support, he gets a performance in prime time (instead of late night – more viewers in prime time, I’d think), and may still get a performance on NYE. Just about the only downside I see is that it prolongs the period where the focus isn’t quite on the music – but the PR explosion is probably very worth it.

I think Adam will keep a low profile (I hope so; no more interviews), sing (I actually don’t want him on LKL anymore), and let this blow over. I am sure his team feels the same way. I am a bit surprised Adam tweeted about the FCC, honestly, and I don’t expect anymore of those tweets. Damage control needed. I couldn’t disagree more with ABC, but they have clout, Adam doesn’t, and he needs to ride this one out. I would not be surprised if Adam’s contrite interview on Ellen was brought about in part by RCA/19, but it doesn’t seemed to have worked at all (if that’s what it was). Double standards here, you bet, but that’s America. I just want Adam to have a thriving career.

Probably right Tony. I don’t understand it. just upset. Thanks for pointing that out.

Going off script during a live broadcast (to the point where some things had to be censored) really pissed off ABC and possibly sponsors, as others have pointed out.

IIRC, Adam never apologized so ABC figures that they shouldn’t be doing any favors for an unapologetic person.

Adam: I do what I want, now continue to promote me.
ABC: No.

Don’t be fooled by the FCC talk. This is Disney’s doings, plain and simple. You mess with the mouse, he’ll give it back to you double. It is well known inside the entertainment/media industry, Disney doesn’t like it or its properties messed with. 19E should have known. I hope this isn’t something that will haunt Adam, the mouse has a very long memory.

I was typing when the tweets were posted, but that indicates that the FCC is doing an investigation. So not only did AL piss off ABC by inserting the sexual content and then being defiant about it, but right now? He’s costing ABC money and political capital.

FCC investigations are not cheap. I’m sure that Disney has in-house counsel who can bear some of the brunt of the work that this will involve, but odds are that this will require hiring some expensive Washington regulatory counsel to deal with this, possibly for a lot of billable hours. [Pauses, listens to sound of hope outside window here in Washington.] Some of the counsel involved in the other FCC decency cases cost $800 an hour. And the ‘cheaper’  counsel, well, they aren’t that cheap either. I used to do regulatory work. Sure, this could blow over. But I would not be surprised if Nipplegate has had legal costs in the multiple millions. I don’t know that I would have made the same decision’”if I wanted to ABC is not required to give additional promo to someone who has given it this much of a headache and cost them this much money and then went and bragged about it on Ryan Seacrest’s show.

And, no, there was no showing of additional skin. But I can’t say this strongly enough: This is about the fake fallatio. Period. And you will not convince me that if that had been a man having a woman fake fallatio on him or a woman having someone of either gender fake fallatio on her that the FCC would not be involved.

thanks folkfan for being the voice of reason crying out in a vast sea of self inflicted delusion.

And those who are stuck on the ‘ABC is homophobic’  line of thought, this is the same network that has a gay male love triangle on daytime programming (One Life to Live) and prominent gay characters on some of their primetime programming.

This is why the whole damn thing is so hypocritical.

And I still wouldn’t be surprised if ABC somehow managed to get Adam cut out of their Barbara Walters’ notable people show.

I’m waiting for this to be their next trick.

Plus, I reckon Adam would be pissed if his OTT fans started dumping on Allison for this with some crazy misplaced blame.

Word so much. I’m sure Adam is really happy that Allison will get this opportunity. And let’d face it: Allison needs this. Her album is projected to sell only about 30,000 copies first week. Her team would be nuts not to jump at this chance.

I blame RCA/19 for this pickle, really. It was such hubris on their part for them to make Adam the closing performance of the AMAs. Everyone else was an established artist. It was Adam’s first big performance as a new artist (not an Idol singer) and RCA19 should have realized it was too risky. I don’t blame Adam for taking the gig because it was such a huge opportunity, but I think RCA19 never should have sought it. I thought all along it was a bad decision, though I was never thinking of FCC fines. I just thought there was too much pressure on Adam and feared Adam would give a bad performance (which he did, really). If RCA19 hadn’t gotten so greedy and pushed Adam for a spot for which he hadn’t paid his dues, then this whole thing wouldn’t have happened.

Don’t agree with this. It’s all on Adam. He is NOT some newbie right off the Idol stage with no professional experience. He’s a professional entertainer who has been performing for a decade – had paid his dues imho. He chose to do that performance because he was intimidated by the situation. Up to that night, he had never put a foot wrong and always seemed so centered and focused. There was no reason for 19E to be concerned the he couldn’t handle it. Sorry, Adam has to take responsibility for this. A hard, hard lesson.

This is just WRONG! The guy did not commit a criminal offense. So, why is the FCC not BANNING other artists who performed that night?
Also don’t see it as a “good gig” for Adam to MC these Jingle Balls. Talk about demotion. He’s an artist, not a game show host. This just infuriates me. The only thing I can do is not give ABC my ratings. It’s not much, but just makes me feel better. This is SO, so wrong. I just cannot believe this is for real.

To put all this in perspective, the NY State Senate today rejected a bill that would’ve legalized gay marriage.

THAT is far more important than what is going on with ABC and Adam. I’m sure Adam’s career will survive all this. It’s a shame, and I certainly do NOT support what ABC is doing. But it’s likely going to end up being a minor bump in Adam’s road to a long career.

Politicians continuing to reject the rights of gays?? Much more disturbing

How come people aren’t more focused on the fact that the NY Senate today rejected a bill that would have legalized gay marriage?

In the long run, that’s something that is more important to bringing attention to, then what is going on with ABC and Adam. I’m upset that ABC has their foot (or someone else’s foot) up their ass about this, but Adam’s career will survive just fine.

Politicians continuing to reject the rights of gay couples — much more important

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8392046.stm

Yeah, lately it’s all about the controversy and not the music. One too many red bulls the night of that performance ‘“ and look where we are now. This is a nightmare.

How so? If was just about controversy and not about the music, then Adam wouldn’t have sold 198,000 albums. Obviously people have taken notice of the music. Did you forget about his performances on the Early Show, Letterman and Ellen. Didn’t he sing on all of those shows? So no, it isn’t all about the controversy.

I am sad for our country right now. To think that a petition was started on Facebook to protest to the FCC and for a network to cave to these protests does not say much for the humanity of our country. Did I like Adam’s performance–not really. I had two choices–watch it or turn it off. I’m enough of a fan that I didn’t turn it off, BUT I would have in a minute if there had been kids in the house. That’s what parental responsibility is about; it’s what I did when I raised my son. Actually I wasn’t offended by the kiss or the crotch in face, I had a problem with people being on leashes. It’s all about personal taste. For people to say that they were too shocked to act quickly is not taking personal responsibility. ABC touted what a shocking performance this would be; they own part of this. Adam owns part of this. But it’s time for ABC to stop punishing him. ABC execs have many more years of experience than a 27 year old kid.

I’m old enough to remember the McCarthy era. This feels like a homophobic form of it. If it weren’t, then many performers on the show would be in the same place as Adam. ABC needs to reflect on their behavior from the beginning of their advertising campaign to the present. I hope they find their humanity.

His existing fans become more passionate and devoted

Yeah, that’s totally what he needs, for his existing fanbase to become a cult… I think he’d much rather have the music do the talking and gain some new fans the old fashioned way – impressing them with his songs, vocals and showmanship. Oh well.

Can you imagine them on the line up this year with Taylor Swift and Adam.

Damn jpfan. That would be funny!

I didn’t like the AMA performance, quality-wise, but honestly, this is way too much. It’s just sad.

Double standards apparently are part of the core values of America (and I mean the continent).

I mean, he is not the first one that simulates oral sex on national tv.

LMAO. The sound quality was poor on the AMA – only reason why I didn’t enjoy it either.

BUT… bringing up push-it on GLEE was a classic! YES. when I saw it on TV, I laughed my butt off. Not because it was wrong, I was mildly surprised it was on as part of GLEE but yes… I didn’t see a whole big scandal over that.

“And I still wouldn’t be surprised if ABC somehow managed to get Adam cut out of their Barbara Walters’ notable people show.”

I’m waiting for this to be their next trick.

Me, too. Frankly, I would be surprised if they left one alone.

Maybe they will but petitions will just incur the wrath of the FCC more. Do you want Adam banned from every network because they do have the power to do that.

So I shouldn’t speak up or complain because it might make the FCC “mad”. I’m sorry-that’s not the country I live in. I wasn’t raised to avoid controversy and I don’t raise my children that way. Maybe this is bigger than Adam. Sorry-I’m not comfortable with some of these decisions. So, I’m not going to let it “blow over”.

I think you all are right about not spamming ABC or the FCC. What I think is a better action would be to report to the FCC all the shows on ABC that have any “simulated” sex acts. Someone had mentioned Cortney Cox simulated a sex act on Cougar Town? Leave Adam out of it because as other have said, this is for his PR people to handle. While Adam is being banned on ABC, they are continuing to show all sorts of similar crap on prime time television. So they really have no stance. That is what is so sickening about all of this.

In other news, I’m really excited for Allison <3

Don’t agree with this. It’s all on Adam. He is NOT some newbie right off the Idol stage with no professional experience. He’s been performing for a decade. He chose to do that performance because he was intimidated by the situation. Up to that night, he had never put a foot wrong and always seemed so centered and focused. There was no reason for 19E to be concerned the he couldn’t handle it. Sorry, Adam has to take responsibility for this. A hard, hard lesson.

I put this equally on both. RCA/19 knew this was a huge opportunity for Adam (and for them CH CHING), the only unestablished artist on the bill AND the closer (which I am still surprised about). I would have expected one of them to have sat in on every dress rehearsal and to have said, KEEP IT CLEAN. KEEP IT CLEAN CLEAN CLEAN. They lose out as much as Adam does. The problem is if this becomes so problematic that RCA/19 ends up dropping him (if they can even break the contract). Then Adam’s in huge trouble. I never thought FYE should have been the first single and I never thought he should have performed to it (b/c, frankly, he pretty much followed the lyrics, as he said he did, he just took them a little further than the video does). I wish WWFM had been the first single or Music Again, something earnest and vulnerable or FUN. He could have rocked out w/ his band, and all would have been well.

Now all sucks. I thought this would have gone away after the Early Morning Show, or even Ellen, but I was sooo wrong. Dammit.

schadenfreude

sylvanaire: I just looked this up and it means malicious joy, nice one for the Christmas season.

ABC is a business… .their responsibility is to their shareholders… .period. end of story. …. if they were threatened with sponsorship losses, they had to do what they believed was in the best interest of shareholder value. Doesn’t make it suck any less. But if I’ve learned anything from switching to the private sector after 11 years working in public education, responsibility to shareholders far outweighs making political or moral statements. Whether or not this decision was the right business decision, remains to be seen…

Hator:

Great post!

I am sure Adam is very happy that it will be Allison taking his place on Kimmel. He has a lot of love for her and has always been so supportive of her. The positive is that for every gig Adam has lost he and his team have almost immediately found something equally as good to replace it.

Adam does have a lot of support from 19, RCA, and others in the industry. Everyone he collaborated with for FYE had glowing things to say about him. He has the most incredible voice. He will be just fine.

Adam is being ‘punished’  because they built the AMA’s around him (and I’m pretty sure they knew he was gay beforehand), he didn’t do what was agreed to, and that clearly didn’t sit well with the bigwigs. Adam acted like an entitled, established star with leeway, not as a grateful newbie, and that was his mistake.

Yep, I think it has everything to do with Adam changing his performance just enough to cause ABC embarrassment & then Adam refusing to apologize for it over & over again last week. I don’t think it has anything to do with him being gay. ABC is the one network that has several primetime & daytime characters that are gay. Disney has very liberal policies & supports Gay days at all of their parks. No one likes to be put in a bad position & that is what Adam did of his own accord. Now he’s paying the consequences for his own actions.

There is nothing new that hasn’t been done before, so cancelling is just an easy way out. The best is to not give any energy to it, it will be taken care of, ABC has decided on a 5 minute delay or something from a live broadcast to what appears on screen or something. Send Adam prayers of love and forget the ABC thing since it will work out. Personally, the violence shown ot tV is what I hate.

#AdamBringsChange is trending.

I went to abc.com and registered a complaint for the Jimmy Kimmel show (they just had drop downs and you had to pick something). If people can complain when Adam DOES perform, I certainly have the right to register a complaint when he DOESN’T perform. I wonder how many complaints abc will get over their decision. I’m bummed that Adam will not be performing. Unnecessary censorship sucks. They’re just exercising some muscle. Sort of like the kid who says it’s my ball and my bat and if we don’t play the way I want, then I’ll take my ball and bat and go home. Childish, childish, childish. I’m positive Adam wouldn’t have done anything remotely like his AMA performance on NYE or Kimmel. ABC — you suck.

I’m sorry, but I’m so surprised to heari that 2 secondove referred to as simulated oral sex. I don’t know which is deficient: my experience or my imagination. It’s like seeing someone blow a kiss and calling it simulated French kissing.

Adam: I do what I want, now continue to promote me.
ABC: No.

LOL Tony. A+.

I am so disappointed in ABC. Not surprised, but disappointed. I think they’ve moved past punishment to pure vindictiveness. Kimmel isn’t even a live telecast. I don’t usually watch Kimmel, and it looks like that will continue. I have watched Dick Clark’s Rockin’ NYE every year since I was old enough to stay up that long. I won’t be watching this year.

I appreciate Adam’s positive attitude about this, and I know he’s going to be okay. All this negativity from ABC, especially right around the holidays, is just sad.

I still can’t watch Allison on the show that I knew Adam was banned from. No two ways about it. Don’t want to hurt her but I do have some prinicples that are important to me. Censorship is one of them.

Has anyone watched the daytime soaps lately? Holy moly.

#AdamBringsChange is trending.

What change?

ABC pimped Adam all night during the AMCs. Then they cry fowl when he “delivered.” No one knows it better than Adam that this was not his best performance and yes, he did go a bit overboard, but so did many other artists But ABC pimped him all night and now to exile him just when his career is budding is just repulsive. This is biogtry, pure and simple. Worst of all, no one is talking about Adam’s album, which is amazing and that’s the saddest part of this whole mess. I suggest all people search their conscience and do the right thing-boycott ABC!

dyg1
12/02/2009 at 9:19 pm

#AdamBringsChange is trending.

Good. A positive message. And believe me, I think this smacks of hypocrisy, but it also smacks of Adam making a mistake and being punished for it. I still want to know what his handlers are going to do.

First, don’t shed any tears for abc if they have to spend money on an FCC investigation. Networks deal with the FCC and are investigated all the time and they have huge legal budgets to deal with this (I know bc I am one of those big firm high priced lawyers that big corporations hire). The number of complaints abc received is a relatively small number and the only publicized fcc complaint is froma a right wing christian group (even the parents television council thought abc went too far in cancelling adam from gma). Abc will be fine
Second few artists “stick to a script” in a live performance. There will always be some variables. Abc had seene nough of what adam was going to do to know how risque it was going to be and they hyped it all night. The 2 supposed surprises a same sex kiss and a head to crotch (that lasted for 2 seconds). You may think that was “tasteless” but it was hardly obscene and did not veer so far from what was rehearsed as to justify abc’s actions

ABC is trying to punish Adam until he says I’m sorry. I hope he won’t ever do that

Anyway at least in the international market Jay Leno is very famous but today was the first time in my life I heard about that Kimmel guy.

I’m sorry, but I’m so surprised to heari that 2 secondove referred to as simulated oral sex. I don’t know which is deficient: my experience or my imagination. It’s like seeing someone blow a kiss and calling it simulated French kissing.

For those thinking that his spot on the Barbara Walters special will be edited out, I really dont think so. She’s been mentioning him alot on the view and about their interview. The interview was also done right after the award show and before any real media backlash.

IIRC, Adam never apologized so ABC figures that they shouldn’t be doing any favors for an unapologetic person.

Adam said last week that he understood that ABC needed to what it needed to do, and more than once he said that. And that he said he went off script by being caught up in the moment, so he understood the GMA cancellation.

And on Ellen he said he totally got them and that ‘he slapped a gift hores in the mouth,’ so he got that they felt they needed to do the GMA thing.

So Adam has been saying that he realized he got ABC since last week as part of his interviews and this week on Ellen.

And I doubt that FCC will actually get involved, otherwise they would have said somthing already. They didn’t just sit by for Janet’s boob barring.

Now nuiscance lawsuits or sponsorship stuff? Okay. But really at this point this level of it for Adam being on Jimmy Kimmel? c’mon. This is just punishment, which they can totally do and is their right, or it’s wanting to placate some people which WOULD suck and I can totally see Disney doing that.

Oh well. In any event I disagreed with Adam’s performance, I thought it nasty and OTT and I thought he was a defensive jerk afterwards. But this is just not propotional to me at this point.

nya1121 – who knows at this point?

I have watched Dick Clark’s Rockin’ NYE every year since I was old enough to stay up that long. I won’t be watching this year.

Me too! Oh well…

Someone said upthread Adam fans are like a cult. Adam-Lambert.org just crashed. That cult just went ape shit! This ain’t over.

Everybody here is quick to jump on ABC for the cancellations, when in fact Adam was WRONG. He broke their trust in him with his antics and it was a BUSINESS decision prompted by the FCC. So what if NBC and CBS picked him up. They are not the ones in hot water with the FCC. If Adam’s people don’t keep him on a shorter leash with those networks guess what will happen. Same thing. This was NOT cable but NETWORK TV and they play by a whole different set of rules. The quicker Adam learns that the better he will be. As to twittering, does anyone really think that ABC or the FCC gives a d@%M what some fanatical fans twitter? I don’t think so.

suebrody
12/02/2009 at 8:43 pm

Tess
12/02/2009 at 8:40 pm

I think this is a really bad move for Allison’s team.

I agree 100 percent, and this is not what she needed right now.

I can’t begin to imagine that someone who has praised Allison and made clear how much he likes her—like she’s his younger sister—as much as AL has would begrudge her this opportunity or want his fans to punish her for taking it.

At least 19/Sony managed to salvage the performance slot for one of its artists. And she’s had so little promo—given her sales prediction at this pont, she needs it to try to get strong sales in one of, if not the, biggest sales weeks of the year.

I’ve decided to be positive. Adam will come out of this just fine. And you know why? His voice!!! No one can ban this.Like he twittered. It will blow over. I really think so. I work with many many people who watch American Idol and know he came in second, but did not watch the AMA’s and have no clue as to what happened. But they know his voice. One girl said she heard about some “shenanigans” but didn’t really care.

Anyway, I’m gonna get some shut eye and see what happens tomorrow! Can’t wait for the tour, Adam.

Yeah sneezepaddle!

Going off script during a live broadcast (to the point where some things had to be censored) really pissed off ABC and possibly sponsors, as others have pointed out.

The same thing happened with the BEP on AI, but someone edited whatever happened.Just because you go “off-script” doesn’t make you unusual. Performers do it all the time. That’s what the time-delay on live shows is for.
Did anyone notice they edited the sound and not the crotch plant during fye? The AMAs is on a time delay. Why didn’t they edit the visual also? (People that were there said Adam sang the correct line.) They were quick enough on the draw to edit the finger, but not the crotch shot? It’s all very inconsistent.

Good old ABC- there was an incredible finding done -healthwise- back in 1976. The info was to be on at 8:30 on a Tuesay evening. The drug companies infomed ABC that is ABC aired the program, there would be no more advertisements by drug companies on tv again. This was what I was told at the time as being the reason it was never shown. That is all I know,., but a discrimination issure, or a sponsorship or many other reasons can be why the cancellation. All that matters is freedom of artistic expression without discrimination is not a bad thing.

Im confused, they want Adam to say hes sorry for WHAT? What should he say, I’m sorry for _________, fill in the blanks. I think he is being made the scapegoat for the whole assinine show. They know what was coming, and all the acts were out of control, but they arent about to ban any of the other acts, besides, do any of them have upcoming gigs?????

Did they cancel the Ryand Secrets concert too?

It would have been easy for ABC to just decide to go for profit, forget about the AMA’s and continue to promote a hot star like Adam for Kimmel and the NYE show. This turn of events indicates that, like Adam and his belief that he doesn’t need to apologize, ABC also feels there is a principle at stake and they are sticking by it. It’s their right.

‘And I still wouldn’t be surprised if ABC somehow managed to get Adam cut out of their Barbara Walters’ notable people show.’ 

I would be surprised. Barbara Walters is the Grand Dame of ABC, she pretty much carries the same clout as Oprah. Showing the interview with Adam is a certain ratings draw.

I suspect he will humble himself, say whatever it is they want him to say, and then ABC will begin to back down.

ETA: I’m beginning to see the outrage pointed at Adam turning into support for him because of how far ABC is carrying this. There’s nothing wrong with them “punishing” him for what he did, but when the punishment doesn’t fit the crime people begin to get mad.

And as someone mentioned, ABC has the absolute right to do any thing they want to do. Ban him forever if they want. As EB Hall said, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,”

Someone said upthread Adam fans are like a cult. Adam-Lambert.org just crashed. That cult just went ape shit! This ain’t over.

Great.

The problem is if this becomes so problematic that RCA/19 ends up dropping him (if they can even break the contract). Then Adam’s in huge trouble. I never thought FYE should have been the first single and I never thought he should have performed to it (b/c, frankly, he pretty much followed the lyrics, as he said he did, he just took them a little further than the video does). I wish WWFM had been the first single or Music Again, something earnest and vulnerable or FUN. He could have rocked out w/ his band, and all would have been well.

Now, you’re scaring me. Let’s hope we get lemonade out of these lemons pretty darn soon.

On FYE, Adam says HE chose it to make statement – not 19E, just as he did the album cover. His friends thought he was nuts to go with that album cover. Tedder has said he’s never seen another get artist get such free rein in the decision making as Adam has. So, if we’re to blame 19E for anything, it is that they didn’t exercise enough control – which ironically was originally the big fear – they would exercise too much control and stifle Adam.

Well, they didn’t stifle him, that’s for sure. And now we have the fallout.

I’m outta here. Nothing else I can say. I’ll just listen to his music tonight and eagerly await the day he can just saaaang his face off without any repercussions.

laterz

I’m not surprised this happened but I think it sucks. I don’t think if Adam had “apologized” to ABC it would have made any difference. It happened and he can’t take it back so I wish the whole thing would just go away.

If the FCC is cracking down on this stuff, they need to look at every channel. FOX has some pretty suggestive stuff – Family Guy, Simpsons and others. I think both of these shows go too far and I have to change the channel when my 7-year old turns on the reruns at 5:30 pm.

Adam will be ok–I know it.

I hope Adam doesn’t apologize. He didn’t do anything wrong.

[sic Barbara Walters interview] I suspect he will humble himself, say whatever it is they want him to say, and then ABC will begin to back down.

Then, they’ll have to retape it because Barbara was on The View last week, saying it was done and Adam had no apologies.

Apparently, Bill O’Reilly is doing a segment on Adam right now. I bet he supports him fully. *sarcasm* Hope msnbc counters (Rachel Maddow, where are you?).

My husband watches Bill much to my consternation, but Bill has never had an axe to grind regarding Adam. The segment tonight was Bill’s regular “body language” feature and according to the expert on such things, Adam was being sincere when he said he really didn’t see anything wrong with his performance and Bill didn’t raise any eyebrows or pontificate. I kind of get the impression he could care less, he’s obviously not invested in Idol.

Thank you for your positive thoughts, Chicagolaw.
It’s the first time I’ve smiled all evening. Boy, I sure hope you are right!

Why was it okay for PINK, but not Adam Lambert?? 1:35 of this video http://bit.ly/6ePvm1 THIS WAS ON FOX in 2004. It is totally a double standard.

Night Suebrody. Hang in here – a change is gonna come.

PINK concert in 2004 Billboard LIVE check out 1:37

No one can tell me this is not homophobia… just sayin… ok for Pink not for adam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPpSpBcs4wg

ABC already punished Adam. Now they’re screwing him. But this will all pass and Adam will go on to a big future. The day will come when ABC will beg for him. When that happens, I hope he will do exactly what he did at the end of his AMA performance.

baxterlf
12/02/2009 at 9:36 pm

Why was it okay for PINK, but not Adam Lambert?? 1:35 of this video http://bit.ly/6ePvm1 THIS WAS ON FOX in 2004. It is totally a double standard.

thanks baxterelf, you beat me to it. absofuckinglutely ridiculous.

As to twittering, does anyone really think that ABC or the FCC gives a d@%M what some fanatical fans twitter? I don’t think so.

They cared about some fanatical folks, that’s for sure.

I think it’s clear that Adam “learned” his lesson (if you saw him on Letterman or Ellen). I think everyone should be appalled by this. It’s deeper than just being about Adam. It’s about being un-American, homophobic and completely prejudice. If Adam was not gay, I truly believe none of this would be happening. He’s being treated with the greatest prejudice I have personally witnessed in a long time. The only way to send ABC a message is to petition, stop giving them ratings and write your protests directly to them.

While the repercussions are a little severe, let’s put the blame on who really deserves it: Adam. He himself said that he went off script, that it wasn’t the original choreography, so Adam was at fault. And even after that, he wouldn’t acknowledge that he was at fault. And thinking that a good defense is a good offense, he started blaming ABC for censorship, kick-starting this whole discussion that put ABC in the spotlight — whereas making them the bad guys — when as established, this whole debacle was concocted by none other than Adam.

So whatever’s happening to Adam is basically his fault. Karmic, as someone said.

Second few artists ‘stick to a script’  in a live performance. There will always be some variables. Abc had seene enough of what adam was going to do to know how risque it was going to be and they hyped it all night. The 2 supposed surprises a same sex kiss and a head to crotch (that lasted for 2 seconds). You may think that was ‘tasteless’  but it was hardly obscene and did not veer so far from what was rehearsed as to justify abc’s actions

Exactly! I’ve said all along that ABC should take some responsibility for approving the song, costuming, and overall S&M imagery. And then ABC pimped Adam out all night. They used him.

The same thing happened with the BEP on AI, but someone edited whatever happened.

From what I remember will.i.am informed AI prior to his performance that he wanted them to edit something out during the performance so they honored the request. So that’s not comparable to this.

i don’t see that much difference between adam saying he got carried away and didn’t mean to disrespect people, and adam apologizing. i think abc should take what adam has recently said, i.e., in the ellen interview, as the best “apology” they’re going to get. i too was very disappointed in the performance, and i was actually glad that gma was cancelled, but now i feel like he’s learned his lesson and these new cancellations are unnecessary. adam has done a good job of reassuring fans that he is still a good guy and not a jerk.

While the repercussions are a little severe, let’s put the blame on who really deserves it: Adam. He himself said that he went off script, that it wasn’t the original choreography, so Adam was at fault. And even after that, he wouldn’t acknowledge that he was at fault. And thinking that a good defense is a good offense, he started blaming ABC for censorship, kick-starting this whole discussion that put ABC in the spotlight ‘” whereas making them the bad guys ‘” when as established, this whole debacle was concocted by none other than Adam.

QFT.

And then ABC pimped Adam out all night. They used him.

That’s backwards logic at its finest. Mean ABC was using Adam all along by giving him tons of promo and a sweet spot closing the AMAs. Well then guess it serves them right that he threw such a curveball their way, huh?

baxterlf
12/02/2009 at 9:36 pm

Why was it okay for PINK, but not Adam Lambert?? 1:35 of this video http://bit.ly/6ePvm1 THIS WAS ON FOX in 2004. It is totally a double standard.

thanks baxterelf, you beat me to it. absofuckinglutely ridiculous.

Ridiculous. And that was way more obvious too. Adam’s performance was all dark. The only thing I really noticed was the kiss. And the leashes.

And I doubt that FCC will actually get involved, otherwise they would have said somthing already. They didn’t just sit by for Janet’s boob barring.

In January, Mickey Rourke flipped his middle finger on NBC primetime at the Golden Globes. It was in his acceptance speech for The Wrestler. Not premediated. 18 people called the FCC. 18. FCC launched an investigation. Fined NBC. Lawyers. Silly. OTT response. But there you have it.

In the west coast feed I saw, ABC edited the middle finger but did not edit/blur the kiss. I think it might be for that.

Okay I have heard enough of this “ABC is homophobic” talk. The reason they canceled Adam was NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE HOMOPHOBIC! God, its like whenever something bad happens to Adam, everyone says its “discrimination”. It’s not. I am a big fan of Adam and I voted for him every night on the show. This is not coming from a hater. but i have followed the careers of many iconic performers and artists for years such as Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera. They have been around 10+ years now and are still relevant in the music industry. They are professionals. If Adam wants to reach that level of success he needs to cut the crap. Simulating oral sex on stage isn’t “representing the lyrics” or “playing out a character”. This is not porn, this is network television.

ABC has ever right to be pissed at him. He broke a contract and could cost them MILLIONS of dollars. And the correct response after this happened would be for him to APOLOGIZE TO ABC and say something along the lines of “I feel like i took it a little too far last night but i really enjoyed my performance and hope my fans enjoyed it too” the INCORRECT response was what he did, BASH ABC for discrimination. It made him look selfish and spoiled. And he is a NEW ARTIST. I know at least 10 people who saw the performance and were getting a first impression of him and commented about how disgusting he was.

I, for one, watched the performance with my 10 year old cousin and i was embarrased to say I was a fan of this “character” on stage similuating a blow job and slobbering over his keyboardist.

The Britney- Madonna kiss was different. it was on MTV FOR GOODNESS SAKE. It was a simple kiss also, more like a peck and not a gross slobber fest. If straight people made out like that on tv i’d be disgusted too. It came off as desperate also. It was like him thinking “What is the most sexual act i can portray on this show infront of millions of people???”

I feel like Adam is being given too much slack for what he did on the AMAS. which is bad for his image and his career.

Ugh, the mob mentality I’m seeing tonight is frightening.

the Pink video is evidence enough of the double standards. I LUV Pink but she did EXACTLY what Adam did and I mean EXACTLY! Give me a break!

All jokes aside I am asking seriously…Is there something we can do. Obviously the 1500 complaints got a reaction from ABC. What actually can I do to show that I am not happy with Their decision without coming off as too fanatical. Do we contact congressman or government or organization. What! I am feeling that this has gone too far not just for Adam but for America as a whole. IMHO

What’s with all these MC jobs at Jingle Balls? Why is Adam not performing at these events? Does anyone know? It seems demeaning to me. He’s the one everyone wants to see perform. Are they deliberately humiliating him as well? Why would he accept these gigs?

I think it’s clear that Adam ‘learned’  his lesson (if you saw him on Letterman or Ellen). I think everyone should be appalled by this. It’s deeper than just being about Adam. It’s about being un-American, homophobic and completely prejudice. If Adam was not gay, I truly believe none of this would be happening. He’s being treated with the greatest prejudice I have personally witnessed in a long time. The only way to send ABC a message is to petition, stop giving them ratings and write your protests directly to them.

I so agree, Carla. I’ve been trying so hard to stay positive and say to myself, “They are not doing this because he’s gay.” I tried really hard to find other reasons, but this just confirms it for me. Kimmel isn’t even a live show. The crap ABC is pulling is unbelievable. I am just sick, for Adam. He is too good a guy for this. And then people wonder why artists don’t “come out” at the beginning of their crareers!

Gabbi5 go look at the Pink video and get back to us on not believing it is homophobia. At least look at the video.

Why was it okay for PINK, but not Adam Lambert?? 1:35 of this video http://bit.ly/6ePvm1 THIS WAS ON FOX in 2004. It is totally a double standard

Clearone: Watch this at the 1:35 mark and tell me there isn’t a double standard!

It’s not a mob mentality. It’s outrage at homopobia and hypocrisy!

im sick to my stomach about this whole thing. i dont understand..supposedly there were like 1500 calls complaining the next day, which was considered “moderate”..even those complaining thought that cancelling the GMA appearance was ridiculous.

to ban him from ABC? and if it has something to do with FCC regulations, why are other networks ready and willing to grab him.

i adore adam and i think it will be a long time before i ever watch anything on ABC again.

Okay – I haven’t seen anyone do it yet.

Explain how Pink’s move is meaningfully different.

I look forward to it.

PINK concert in 2004 Billboard LIVE check out 1:37

No one can tell me this is not homophobia’ ¦ just sayin’ ¦ ok for Pink not for adam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPpSpBcs4wg

omg pink did exactly the same move. u cld say Adam copied her. this was 2004 was there an uproar then?. can anyone remember?.

What actually can I do to show that I am not happy with Their decision without coming off as too fanatical. Do we contact congressman or government or organization. What! I am feeling that this has gone too far not just for Adam but for America as a whole.

are you kidding me???!!! HE GOT A BLOW JOB ON STAGE!!!! i don't see how you defend that??? you people are taking this "discrimination" thing wayyy too serious. and there is nothing a "congressman" can do to FORCE ABC to not cancel Adam's shows. They are a business and as of now, they do not trust adam and for a GOOD REASON!

“Why was it okay for PINK, but not Adam Lambert?? 1:35 of this video http://bit.ly/6ePvm1 THIS WAS ON FOX in 2004. It is totally a double standard.”

ABC is full of s##t …. we have this and the “madonna/britney” kiss….. why exactly is Adam being blackballed?? Thanks for the link….I was buying the “it was the oral sex simulation”, but I’m not buying it anymore!!

In the west coast feed I saw, ABC edited the middle finger but did not edit/blur the kiss. I think it might be for that.

Sasha, the finger was never on TV. It’s only in photos. It wasn’t in the East Coast feed at all.

ABC just comes off as being really homophobic. It’s ridiculous.

Was what Adam did OTT and impulsive? YES.

But at the same time, I truly believe it wouldn’t have happened if it was a heterosexual matter. There is a huge population in the US that hates gay and even a larger population that thinks it’s wrong, against what they believe in, etc. So as much as we want to ignore it and think the world pretty, homophobia exists. I wish people won’t claim that the card is being overused. Is it getting getting brought up repeatedly, yes , but we can’t say it’s nonexistent

baxterlf
12/02/2009 at 9:36 pm

Why was it okay for PINK, but not Adam Lambert?? 1:35 of this video http://bit.ly/6ePvm1 THIS WAS ON FOX in 2004. It is totally a double standard.

good one. you can hear the cheer for her action actually

Did Pink say she was sorry??

Listen to the lyrics in the Pink video when she shoved his head in her crotch! No double standard huh? It is pure homophobia!

What actually can I do to show that I am not happy with Their decision without coming off as too fanatical. Do we contact congressman or government or organization. What! I am feeling that this has gone too far not just for Adam but for America as a whole.

I wish I knew. He is just the sweetest person and so talented.

Seriously, you want to contact your congressman about Adam Lambert? Please let them work on healthcare and the war. Thx.

Interesting to see what Jay Leno says tonite.

What’s with all these MC jobs at Jingle Balls? Why is Adam not performing at these events? Does anyone know? It seems demeaning to me. He’s the one everyone wants to see perform. Are they deliberately humiliating him as well? Why would he accept these gigs?

They’re shows with 10 or more acts and a bunch of filler. Each act gets to do 2 – 3 songs I think. But, the emcee gets to talk and keep reappearing through the whole thing. I’ve heard that some pretty high wattage stars have served as the emcee for these things before. And, they’re promoting the heck out of him as a “Celebrity Emcee”. I don’t think the industry looks at this as some kind of consolation prize at all.

I’m still waiting . . . how is Pink’s move different? Hmmm?

What’s with all these MC jobs at Jingle Balls? Why is Adam not performing at these events? Does anyone know? It seems demeaning to me. He’s the one everyone wants to see perform. Are they deliberately humiliating him as well? Why would he accept these gigs?

I don’t think Adam is the main draw to these Jingle balls. I don’t know much about the Tampa one but the Z100 Jingle Ball in NY has been sold out for weeks and Adam was just announced as the guest MC today so obviously people are going to see some of these other artists.

nite folks. other places to be

Also, for the jingle balls, he was added kind of late. Probably to late to change the lineup I would guess.

are you kidding me???!!! HE GOT A BLOW JOB ON STAGE!!!! i don’t see how you defend that??? you people are taking this “discrimination” thing wayyy too serious. and there is nothing a “congressman” can do to FORCE ABC to not cancel Adam’s shows. They are a business and as of now, they do not trust adam and for a GOOD REASON!

I was being serious and it is how I feel really did not need you to bash me for express my opinion. I was not trying to be an OTT fanatical but wanted to ask about a reasonable resolution. I am not defending anything except equality. If you sanction him then sanction everyone. Please don’t attack me for my opinion I did not do it to you and did not say anything that warranted your abusive post.

Seriously, you want to contact your congressman about Adam Lambert? Please let them work on healthcare and the war. Thx.

Um, and, have you seen the bulk of our congressman? Hell, they’re probably the ones who called in the complaints LOL. You’d be hardpressed to find one of those old fogey politicians with the bad hair willing to go on record that he’s all for dudes kissing on tv. These are the guys who create those “protect the sanctity of marriage” laws after all.

So yeah, good luck with that.

“On FYE, Adam says HE chose it to make statement ‘“ not 19E, just as he did the album cover. His friends thought he was nuts to go with that album cover. Tedder has said he’s never seen another get artist get such free rein in the decision making as Adam has. So, if we’re to blame 19E for anything, it is that they didn’t exercise enough control ‘“ which ironically was originally the big fear ‘“ they would exercise too much control and stifle Adam.”

I think maybe 19E & Adam got a bit carried away with all the Hype from the media he was getting!! Maybe Adam thought he would be able to get away with what he did!! Well now he’s learned that no-one is above this.
I feel that controversy will always follow Adam as he is a free spirit – but he needs to learn to make it a benefit for him not a noose around his neck like it is now!!
You don’t endear the general public when you say “stuff you” I’ll do it my way- ‘cos doing it “my way” might mean a very lonely journey!!
I do hope that Adam learns from all this & that his advisers actually do their job- to steer Adam on the right course for the benefit of his musical career!!He needs to remember that he is not yet an established artist!!

Oh -baxterlf- isn’t Fox a Cable station? They have very different rules than Network TV . If it is Cable then Pink’s performance would be viewed very differently.

I have nothing intelligent to add to this conversation because everytime I start to type I just keep thinking “WOW” just “WOW”. I have no words. Actually, maybe the problem is I have too many and need a moment to put them in some sort of logical order. Pink, Madona & Britt, ABC weenies, Elvis, craptacular performance, get over it, homophobic, get over it, violence but not sex, just WOW, did I say get over it?

I’ll be back when I can type coherently.

the Pink video is evidence enough of the double standards. I LUV Pink but she did EXACTLY what Adam did and I mean EXACTLY! Give me a break!

It’s not the same because it was Fox, not ABC, and maybe it was cleared with Fox ahead of time. Trying to make what Adam did ok, or what ABC did wrong, by using stuff from other networks with other artists doesn’t really work. That’s what kids do when they don’t want to accept responsibility for their own actions so I hope Adam doesn’t start playing the “well look what so and so did” card.

Straight musicians and actors get into trouble with networks, the FCC, and sponsors all the time. In the spirit of equality, now Adam gets to join them.

They’re shows with 10 or more acts and a bunch of filler. Each act gets to do 2 ‘“ 3 songs I think. But, the emcee gets to talk and keep reappearing through the whole thing. I’ve heard that some pretty high wattage stars have served as the emcee for these things before. And, they’re promoting the heck out of him as a ‘Celebrity Emcee’ . I don’t think the industry looks at this as some kind of consolation prize at all.

Thanks, SpenserJ. That makes me feel a bit better, but with all that’s going on, it seems like he’s being sent to sit in the corner like a badly behaved school kid. He’s a performer. I know a couple of MCs and they are pretty much worn-out actor/comedian wannabees. But I hope you are right.

HE GOT A BLOW JOB ON STAGE!!!! i

He did? I thought they were dancing!
Now P!NK’s video, with the guys tongue out, her on a bed, and it actually part of the planned choreography. That one looks more like oral sex to me.

So ABC blurring a man on man kiss is not homophobic to you. Quel suprise. Granted Adam went too far with simulated oral sex but blurring a same sex male kiss and allowing same sex female kiss becomes homophobia and relates to the AMA performance. There is a complaint by over 1 million people to the FCC based on the following and the FCC is complying as is ABC.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=share&gid=206943891778

Note it’s all about man stuff’ ¦ the horrors.

That fb page is VILE.

OMG Just watched the Pink video (could not sleep). Identical move. I am really really pissed now. I wish we could send this youtube video to ABC and the FCC.

This is all insane

I was being serious and it is how I feel really did not need you to bash me for express my opinion. I was not trying to be an OTT fanatical but wanted to ask about a reasonable resolution. I am not defending anything except equality. If you sanction him then sanction everyone. Please don’t attack me for my opinion I did not do it to you and did not say anything that warranted your abusive post.

Sorry you saw my post as abusive. I apologize....but still feel that getting congressmen involved is a little OTT

I was being serious and it is how I feel really did not need you to bash me for express my opinion. I was not trying to be an OTT fanatical but wanted to ask about a reasonable resolution. I am not defending anything except equality

.

I feel the same way too. I support equality. I think your question was reasonable.

I don’t think Adam is the main draw to these Jingle balls. I don’t know much about the Tampa one but the Z100 Jingle Ball in NY has been sold out for weeks and Adam was just announced as the guest MC today so obviously people are going to see some of these other artists.

I think it depends. There were still a ton of tickets left for the Tampa one when Adam was announced. But – we didn’t get Taylor Swift or that Bieber kid in our line-up. Tampa didn’t even have Kris. The best we could do was Jordin Sparks LOL. So, they’re promoting his appearance a lot. But only because they needed it. (Also – this one is done in the St. Pete Times Forum, which is a high capacity arena – so they might need to fill more seats than other venues).

He did? I thought they were dancing!

That’s what I thought!

While the repercussions are a little severe, let’s put the blame on who really deserves it: Adam. He himself said that he went off script, that it wasn’t the original choreography, so Adam was at fault. And even after that, he wouldn’t acknowledge that he was at fault. And thinking that a good defense is a good offense, he started blaming ABC for censorship, kick-starting this whole discussion that put ABC in the spotlight ‘” whereas making them the bad guys ‘” when as established, this whole debacle was concocted by none other than Adam.

So whatever’s happening to Adam is basically his fault. Karmic, as someone said.

agreed! i liked Adam a lot during the season, but i kinda thought something like this would happen. i’m really conservative when it comes to social issues (i don’t believe in drinking, sex until marriage, drugs are horrible, etc…) so watching the AMA performance went against that. i don’t want to see that stuff, i’m not okay with the fact that people do that stuff, and as long as i don’t see it i’m fine… basically that performance was just a big display of what seemed like sex to me. i don’t want to see that stuff. i’m glad he is going to focus more on the music again. i hope this whole thing will teach him that focusing on the music is sometimes more important than basically kissing everyone on stage within reach (whomever it may be). i support the fact that he is gay b/c that’s his decision and people should have the right to choose who they want to date. if pink and madonna did the same thing (which i’m hearing they did) i would think that is disgusting as well. i just think that lifestyle of sex/making out in public is nasty and i don’t want to see it. i’m a legal adult but i want my innocence, i felt like a bit of it was shattered by that performance.
and i agree with the post i quoted. this is karma. hopefully he holds true to his promise and the focus does get put back on the music.

SpenserJ
12/02/2009 at 9:52 pm

Seriously, you want to contact your congressman about Adam Lambert? Please let them work on healthcare and the war. Thx.

Um, and, have you seen the bulk of our congressman? Hell, they’re probably the ones who called in the complaints LOL. You’d be hardpressed to find one of those old fogey politicians with the bad hair willing to go on record that he’s all for dudes kissing on tv. These are the guys who create those ‘protect the sanctity of marriage’  laws after all.

So yeah, good luck with that.

You know I am sorry to all of you that I was trying to get advise on a productive solution to express my dissatisfaction with the decision. I did not say I was going to contact a congressman I only was trying to find the best viable solution and asking if that was the way to go. Forgive for not going the standard route of Twitter, blogs, and just pure spewing. I had know Idea and was asking nice. Thanks you all for the hostile reaction to someone who was merely asking for an option.

Also ‘“ this one is done in the St. Pete Times Forum, which is a high capacity arena ‘“ so they might need to fill more seats than other venues.

Yes. That’s the same venue the Idol tour performed in.

“the best thing to do would be to admit he went too far but that he had fun.”

he already said that, on the ellen show. and he said “i respect people and I feel like people felt disrespected and I would never intend to disrespect anyone.” that’s why i think this should be taken as a form of an apology.

baxterlf
12/02/2009 at 9:36 pm

Why was it okay for PINK, but not Adam Lambert?? 1:35 of this video http://bit.ly/6ePvm1 THIS WAS ON FOX in 2004. It is totally a double standard.

heh, Britney and Madonna’s Kiss, Glee’s Push, this Pink performance and Adam’s AMA give me a vivid case to understand the double or triple standards in the states.

the longer the bright light of truth shines on this issue , i.e. http://bit.ly/6ePvm1 , the hypocrisy just CAN NOT be ignored.

I do not have the tech skills, but would love if one of you could gather up the fast growing list of similar examples ( DWTS, cougartown,etc.) and post together on a ABC HYPOCRISY LIST…..could be added to as more (I’m certain) surface.

I think the impact of an expanding list like that would have a bigger impact than the sporatic posting as they are discovered.

Wow, If I’d only known 19+ years ago that I could open my mouth and PRETEND while my DH still had his clothes on….

we could have gotten to the naked ME part much sooner and I’d have been a LOT happier!

edit: NO CALL TO ARMS ON THE BLOG

I am really disppointed in ABC. Look at their daily programming and you find sex, murder etc. . I have to say they are hypocrits! I will take a man-on-man kiss any day to seeing someone murdered!

Hasn’t ABC had the lowest viewer ratio of the three networks for quite sometime? You ‘fail’ again ABC. Adam will weather this storm. OH..well..ABC, your ‘loss’ will be another networks
gain’.

Sorry you saw my post as abusive. I apologize….but still feel that getting congressmen involved is a little OTT

If you read my post I was only asking if that was an option not what I was going to do. You could have been helpful by just letting me know that that would not be the best way to go. Apology accepted. This has got us all heated.

Oh -baxterlf- isn’t Fox a Cable station? They have very different rules than Network TV . If it is Cable then Pink’s performance would be viewed very differently.

Fox is mainstream – they are generally thought of as the #4 network after ABC, NBC and CBS.

I think it depends. There were still a ton of tickets left for the Tampa one when Adam was announced. But ‘“ we didn’t get Taylor Swift or that Bieber kid in our line-up. Tampa didn’t even have Kris. The best we could do was Jordin Sparks LOL. So, they’re promoting his appearance a lot. But only because they needed it. (Also ‘“ this one is done in the St. Pete Times Forum, which is a high capacity arena ‘“ so they might need to fill more seats than other venues).

As I said, I didn’t know the full story with the Tampa show, only that you can’t call Adam the main draw for NY because they were sold out before he was involved. And in terms of capacity, NY is at Madison Square Garden which is a major venue. I see where Tampa obviously was having an issue but not NY.

Has this blog by Lyndsey Parker been posted? I agree with her –
http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/297514/an-american-idol-banned-in-the-usa/

I am reading all this after just getting home from work,etc. and just shocked! Was sick a few days last week and tuned in to some of the old soaps on ABC I used to watch with my Mom when she was in the nursing home…..Naked couples(or bare legs, arms, chests, etc) under covers with the guy going below gal’s waist under the covers, and, there are shows with gay couples, lovers now..kissing…and all sorts of sexual situations with teens. It just blows my mind. I have seen Adam sound a lot better than he did on the AMA’s, and I did gasp a little when the 2 “featured” incidents happened….but, I was half-way expecting something a little out of the ordinary from him…but, all this that is going on is just not right….To me, Adam is a kid even though he may be 27, almost 28…but, his world the last 10 years has been in and around West Hollywood with his circle of friends and the entertainment he has seen and been a part of was not like probably I have been witness to. But, he’s got a background all the way back to a small child as an actor/entertainer….and, I honestly do understand when he says he got caught up in the moment/lyrics and trying to fit in on a level with his peers. Well, I know Allison can use the publicity and I guess she should go on and do the show..But, if I were her, don’t know if I could.
We all need to remember that even though Adam has his Mom, Dad and Neil and friends….he, as he has said, has only been in love “one”
time in his life…and, right now, doesn’t seem to have anyone whom he can share all this with…like most of us can who have mates, be, we straight or gay, doesn’t matter…everyone needs that closeness. I feel for him and this has got to be so hard for him. All I can see is the look on his face after he did B/W on idol with those eyes tearing up at the praise the judges were giving him. He really won me over even more that night/and, I will be his forever fan. I just know this will work out for him and thank goodness he has so many adoring fans like most all of you are. Things like this can really unite people and not in a bad way and we are not a cult! We just love the guy and his life-story!!!
I feel better now, well, just a little…

i support the fact that he is gay b/c that’s his decision and people should have the right to choose who they want to date.

You are absolutely kidding me with this VILE statement right…He chose to be gay???????!!!!!!!!!!!! When did you choose your sexuality?

zuper
12/02/2009 at 9:52 pm

I have nothing intelligent to add to this conversation because everytime I start to type I just keep thinking ‘WOW’  just ‘WOW’ . I have no words. Actually, maybe the problem is I have too many and need a moment to put them in some sort of logical order. Pink, Madona & Britt, ABC weenies, Elvis, craptacular performance, get over it, homophobic, get over it, violence but not sex, just WOW, did I say get over it?

I’ll be back when I can type coherently.

Wow! One of my favorite posts ever… Because it’s what is going through my mind but I couldn’t put into words. Yeah… it all just sucks! Although, a little part of me thinks… it’s all just part of the “Master Plan.” I just dunno…

And IF Pink’s move on normal FOX (not cable, according to Wikipedia) was cleared,

the REASON it would be

and Adam doing the same move would enrage and “disgust” some people, would be . . . what?

wait for it . . .

Yes!

See, that’s what homophobia is.

I also support equality, i have attended 2 Gay Rights marches and am an active member of Gay-Straight Alliance but i just do not see this as an act of homophobia. To me, it is just a business decision ABC made when Adam broke their contract…

About the Pink performance, that should’ve been edited too but that was not broadcast on ABC, it was on FOX. If the AMAS had been on Fox and they blurred out the kiss, i would call it homophobia. PLease show me an instance on ABC where there was a sexual act performed on network television…

heh, Britney and Madonna’s Kiss, Glee’s Push, this Pink performance and Adam’s AMA give me a vivid case to understand the double or triple standards in the states.

Madonna and Britney were on a cable network. Glee’s “Push It” routine was pre-scripted and pre-taped, which allowed for editing to get it past FCC and network standards. Pink probably didn’t pull that move out of thin air and had permission to do that for a few specific seconds. Sometimes the line between meeting standards and breaking them is as thin as one second.

Adam on the other hand… improvised, did not know whether or not he was keeping those improvisations within FCC and network standards (because he didn’t bother to ask), and was not on cable tv or part of a broadcast that could be edited before it aired.

In other words, none of it really applies to Adam.

dhunken I am behind you all the way. I understand where u are coming from. It’s about equality and censorhsip. Fanatical fan or not, I have ALWAYS felt strongly about this kind of thing. If you don’t go to ur congressman, etc about inequality issues, where do you go-even if the subject is Adam lambert. It could just as well be Sarah palin-eek.

Sigh. Adam has become a polarizing figure. My mom LOVES him. ABC/Disney is just using this as an excuse. At least we get Allison – that must make it more tolerable for Adam.

PattyH
12/02/2009 at 9:54 pm

He did? I thought they were dancing!
Now P!NK’s video, with the guys tongue out, her on a bed, and it actually part of the planned choreography. That one looks more like oral sex to me

That video is amazing. Good work whoever dug that up. I agree with PattyH. P!NK’s is way more graphic. I don’t know if Adam has already taped Larry King or not, but his people had better supply LK with all this footage of other musicians doing exactly the same thing!

Boy, that performance has been a journey.

Anticiaption
Disappointment
Disbelief
Ambivalence
Anger

I don’t think Fox is considered cable. As someone else posted, it was touted as the fourth network when it started. Even today you can get Fox without subscribing to cable . Just like the CW network and some others.

Here is Lyndsey Parker’s take on the issue. For once I agree with her.

An American Idol, Banned In The USA

Many iconic legends began their careers amid controversy…..just saying

Why was it okay for PINK, but not Adam Lambert?? 1:35 of this video http://bit.ly/6ePvm1 THIS WAS ON FOX in 2004. It is totally a double standard.

Pink grabbing her dancer’s head and having him nuzzle her crotch is exactly the same move as Adam’s on the AMAs. GO LOOK AT IT. Obvious difference female + male vs. male + male = double standard. So Pink’s character is supposed to be an empowered female in the scenario? And Adam’s character is…what? Yes, this is homophobia.

In the west coast feed I saw, ABC edited the middle finger but did not edit/blur the kiss. I think it might be for that.

The finger never aired in any time zone. The camera zoomed to a head shot. Know why? 90 second delay. Long enough to switch to another camera during the simulated blow job if ABC thought that was going to get them in trouble. That’s why they have the delay.

ABC and every other network have no problem going as far as they can go both on their live performance shows like the AMAs and in their scripted television programs. They’re no victims, here.

While the repercussions are a little severe, let’s put the blame on who really deserves it: Adam. He himself said that he went off script, that it wasn’t the original choreography, so Adam was at fault. And even after that, he wouldn’t acknowledge that he was at fault.

Do you really think Adam was the only peformer who went off script on a live show? On that particular night, had Kate Hudson bent over a little more, her boobs – nipples and all – would have been in full view of all 14 million people watching. Except not. Because, guess what? The censors would have caught it and blurred them out.

Bottom line: Adam’s being used as a scapegoat.

Madonna and Britney were on a cable network.

Niall-You may (or may not) be right about that, BUT it has been shown on every network since then. Hell it was shown last week on the CBS morning show!!!!!

dhunken, I’m sorry that you took my comment in the way you did. I was just reacting to the entirety of the thread, not just your comment. It just seems like a runaway train in here. It kind of feeds on itself and so I apologize if my comment came off as rude.

Thanks you all for the hostile reaction to someone who was merely asking for an option.

dhunken - I wasn’t trying to hurt your feelings. I just like making fun of congressman I apologize for how it came across.

Has this blog by Lyndsey Parker been posted? I agree with her

Lindsay Parker is an OTT fangirl with a larger than average platform. I’m not surprised she’s unable to see this as a business decision and instead takes it as a personal affront to her beloved Adam.

I thought there was an Equal Rights Amendment in the US. Hmmm

I just watched the Pink video….just unbelievable…I cannot even type what I am thinking!!!! So Mad!!!!

(1) I’m not sure that that particular move of Pink’s was broadcast on Fox. The youtube appears to be a different network? (2) It did look like there were complaints issued to the FCC about the 2004 Billboard Awards, but I could not see what the topics were. (3) And unless you can show me that any move of Pink’s was not rehearsed and that she was permitted to perform on other Fox shows in the five weeks after the 2004 Billboard Awards, the claims of discrimination are still off, especially as it was a different network.

I thought there was an Equal Rights Amendment in the US. Hmmm

No, it never passed. But any basic government or law class will tell you even if passed it would have nothing to do with a performer being told they don’t get to appear on a television broadcast.

OMG!

Madonna & Britney = MTV
Pink = FOX

I don’t think ABC = FOX & MTV

Okay, again, here’s the point – perhaps you think Pink’s move should have been blurred too, right? Okay.

But it wasn’t. Why? Why wasn’t there a godawful hue and cry and Pink headlines, and Pink cancellations, etc. etc. Why?

Wait for it . . .

Homophobia!

Were all the headlines this past week “Adam Falls – And He Didn’t Rehearse It!”? Of course not. It’s not that he didn’t “preview” the move, it’s the MOVE that he didn’t preview!

Honestly, what I can gather from Adam’s tweets is that he’s being respectful of ABC’s decision, and moving on to book other appearances.

He’s not calling for any protest marches or petitions. The reason he probably even tweeted tonight may have been to ward off his fans going ape-shit.

Gabbi5
12/02/2009 at 10:04 pm
I also support equality, i have attended 2 Gay Rights marches and am an active member of Gay-Straight Alliance but i just do not see this as an act of homophobia. To me, it is just a business decision ABC made when Adam broke their contract’ ¦

About the Pink performance, that should’ve been edited too but that was not broadcast on ABC, it was on FOX. If the AMAS had been on Fox and they blurred out the kiss, i would call it homophobia. PLease show me an instance on ABC where there was a sexual act performed on network television’ ¦

ABC’s Cougar Town had oral sex, but there was no uproar. I don’t have a clip, but yeah.

Hopefully the other networks will pick up on what an opportunity this is to book Adam. I’ve noticed that the other networks love to poke fun at each other. ABC can go to hell.

I agree Spense.

Has the FCC issued a statement regarding Adam’s performance yet?

The album cover was so unwise. Yes, Tedder and his friends thought he was crazy. Management should have stepped in, especially when TFM didn’t get a lot of attention.

He says it’s meant to be ridiculous and funny, but how is the average person supposed to know that. And then what they know is that he wants to be all about wild, bondage sex. For someone wanting it to be about his music and not his sexuality, it is HE that made it all about sex and sexuality. The more Adam fans keep saying he did nothing wrong, the more it alienates borderline and potential fans. It makes him more like a cult and therefore even more strange to others. (so more difficult since it appears he’s trying to make it big/mainstream)

He’s not calling for any protest marches or petitions.

I wish he would. The sight of his OTT fans showing up in their puffy paint covered cars for a march on DC to protest the actions of ABC would be hysterical. Forget health care and forget gay marriage. ABC won’t bow to the greatness of Adam Lambert!

PLease show me an instance on ABC where there was a sexual act performed on network television’ ¦

‘ ¢ Watch every daytime soap opera
‘ ¢ Watch every primetime sitcom
‘ ¢ Watch ever primetime drama (Cougar Town ORAL SEX anyone… anyone?)
‘ ¢ Watch about half (or more of the other AMA performances)
‘ ¢ Watch Janet Jackson grabbing the crotch of her male dancer (at 8:00 p.m. I might add.)

Has this blog by Lyndsey Parker been posted? I agree with her ‘“
http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/297514/an-american-idol-banned-in-the-usa/

She is right on!

The album cover was so unwise. Yes, Tedder and his friends thought he was crazy. Management should have stepped in, especially when TFM didn’t get a lot of attention.

Are you serious? People have a right to be ridiculous if they want. This is not the taste police.

In the west coast feed I saw, ABC edited the middle finger

Here we go again. I am on the East Coast. Saw the AMA’s in real time. Giving the finger was NEVER broadcast. Only showed up in photos. Jeezzzz…………

SpenserJ
12/02/2009 at 10:08 pm

Thanks you all for the hostile reaction to someone who was merely asking for an option.

dhunken – I wasn’t trying to hurt your feelings. I just like making fun of congressman I apologize for how it came across.

jersey
12/02/2009 at 10:08 pm

dhunken, I’m sorry that you took my comment in the way you did. I was just reacting to the entirety of the thread, not just your comment. It just seems like a runaway train in here. It kind of feeds on itself and so I apologize if my comment came off as rude.

I accept both of your apologies. I truly understand on some level where you are coming from but I really was trying to find a solution to what I feel is inequality. I don’t agree with the actions but I also don’t agree that it is good for some and not others. I fully accept that others don’t agree with my feelings but I was hoping someone could give me direction in what was a reasonable and sane action. Even if you don’t agree with this issue what would someone do in a case where they did feel the same way I do now.

He says it’s meant to be ridiculous and funny, but how is the average person supposed to know that.

Ya’ know, maybe Adam isn’t always going to be acceptable to the “average” person. I’m sure that’s something he’s considered. He’s said openly that he was pretty surprised that the AI audience was buying what he was selling each week.

I think he’s fully aware that he has to live or die by his artistic decisions. And, I think he was pretty clear in that Ellen interview that he was fully cognizant of what he did to ABC. He took responsibility for his decisions, and he didn’t choose to vilify ABC then or in tonight’s tweets.

So basically, ABC lied when they sent that email out that said they were planning on rescheduling and to check back early 2010.

‘ ¢ Watch every daytime soap opera
‘ ¢ Watch every primetime sitcom
‘ ¢ Watch ever primetime drama (Cougar Town ORAL SEX anyone’ ¦ anyone?)
‘ ¢ Watch about half (or more of the other AMA performances)
‘ ¢ Watch Janet Jackson grabbing the crotch of her male dancer (at 8:00 p.m. I might add.)

And again, what people who bring this up are not considering is those things are pre-scripted, pre-taped, or agreed to ahead of time in rehearsal, which allows the network to structure them to remain within network and FCC standards. Of course there is sex on tv. Sometimes it is even between two men or two women. But networks are not going to forgive an artist easily who goes off script and therefore puts them at risk for fines. Simple as that.

Jae
12/02/2009 at 9:17 pm
I think you all are right about not spamming ABC or the FCC. What I think is a better action would be to report to the FCC all the shows on ABC that have any ‘simulated’  sex acts. Someone had mentioned Cortney Cox simulated a sex act on Cougar Town?

Simulated oral sex is all over the networks. The guy and girl are kissing, the guy disappears under the sheets and what I really find offensive is that they even allow this on shows with actors who are portraying TEENS! It was on the O.C. in the past and currently it’s on Gossip Girl. Not to mention the threesome on Gossip Girl. So why is ABC the only network afraid of the FCC. There is something more going on behind the scenes which we will never be privy too.

Networks can cancel people at will and I think Adam did go too far at the AMAs. I get that but I still think ABC is going way overboard. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Barbara’s 10 most fascinating people turns out to be minus one.

As for the poster who put in all caps that Adam got a blow job on the AMAs, there is a big difference between a simulated b.j. and a real one but I’m not gonna spell it out. MJs might get censored

I don’t regularly watch any of the late night shows so the fact that I’m not going to watch Allison on Kimmel is nothing against her. She needs all the promo she can get.

Reminder:

Please read my guidelines. Don’t use my blog to organize protests or email campaigns. That stuff belongs on your fansites.

http://mjsbigblog.com/?page_id=1172

If I like and support Adam Lambert, does that make me an OTT fan?

If I don’t like Adam Lambert, and I don’t support him, does that make me an OTT non-fan?

I’m really curious about this.

So basically, ABC lied when they sent that email out that said they were planning on rescheduling and to check back early 2010.

Maybe that’s when they’re planning on taking Adam out of the time-out chair?

I say this as someone who couldn’t stand the AMA performance.

This is idiotic.

Stupid suit-wearing wankers. He is guilty of severe bad taste. You whacked him once already. America talked about it, hugged it out, now let it go.

Tonight, your overkill and mean-spirited behavior make me stand on the side of this questionably dressed, not my cuppa, but clearly talented young man and say ENOUGH.

Seriously, cut it out.

Honestly, what I can gather from Adam’s tweets is that he’s being respectful of ABC’s decision, and moving on to book other appearances.

He’s not calling for any protest marches or petitions. The reason he probably even tweeted tonight may have been to ward off his fans going ape-shit.

I agree. If he wanted a call to arms he wouldn’t have changed his attitude about the entire situation. His best intentions obviously haven’t worked tonight.

….and FTR, I will not be watching the Pink video. I will not joining any call to arms. I’m following Adam’s lead and focusing on being positive.

Niall
12/02/2009 at 10:15 pm

He’s not calling for any protest marches or petitions.

I wish he would. The sight of his OTT fans showing up in their puffy paint covered cars for a march on DC to protest the actions of ABC would be hysterical. Forget health care and forget gay marriage. ABC won’t bow to the greatness of Adam Lambert!

Well on some level some of us think this is part of the same issue. I fully appreciate you don’t but please appreciate that some of us do.

By the way adam was in the black eyed peas video montage during the grammy nom concert on cbs tonite and the crowd applauded (it was very very quick)

I thought there was an Equal Rights Amendment in the US. Hmmm

nope. never passed. but a good reminder that there are many bigger issues than Adam Lambert and his treatment in this country.

This seems pretty harsh though, and an over reaction. I work in media, though, and any FCC fine is a big deal. Especially when the networks are scraping for every dollar. But now I understand the complete back pedal by Adam in the last few days, and his much more apologetic tone.

ABC you’re disproving all my arguments that Adam is NOT being persecuted and treated unfairly.

And I hate that.

Wankhats.

I really am just amazed that people are so afraid of sex. It’s 2010 people… lighten up, talk to your kids, use your remote, put the kids to bed by 9:00, watch disney/discovery/animal planet/ QVC… you name it… and quit being so damed HOLIER THAN THOU.

I mean good god, the energy wasted on caring about a boy/boy kiss and a little tummy/crotch move is laughable.

I say this as someone who couldn’t stand the AMA performance.

This is idiotic.

Stupid suit-wearing wankers. He is guilty of severe bad taste. You whacked him once already. America talked about it, hugged it out, now let it go.

Tonight, your overkill and mean-spirited behavior make me stand on the side of this questionably dressed, not my cuppa, but clearly talented young man and say ENOUGH.

Seriously, cut it out.

A voice of reason!

By the way adam was in the black eyed peas video montage during the grammy nom concert on cbs tonite and the crowd applauded (it was very very quick)

Yup. I saw that! Its nice to see a lot of his fellow artists support him.

I will not joining any call to arms. I’m following Adam’s lead and focusing on being positive.

What is the positive? lol

Well on some level some of us think this is part of the same issue. I fully appreciate you don’t but please appreciate that some of us do.

I appreciate that, but I just believe those are two totally different things. The gay marriage movement is really about basic civil rights and equality. The right to make a life with the person you love, parent your children together, have rights of survivorship, etc. There is no basic right to be on Network tv.

The smackdown of an entertainer is not nearly on par with the basic civil rights of hundreds of thousands of people (to me anyway).

(3) And unless you can show me that any move of Pink’s was not rehearsed and that she was permitted to perform on other Fox shows in the five weeks after the 2004 Billboard Awards, the claims of discrimination are still off, especially as it was a different network.

Yeah, this. I think the bottom line here is: is this what ABC agreed to in advance? If his performance was not vetted, and Adam improvised in ways that could even remotely get ABC in deep doo doo, then that right there is your problem. If you think Adam’s actions were in line with actions performed in the past by straight females, then perhaps you have a point, but that is an issue to take up with the FCC, not ABC.

Complaining to ABC because you aren’t happy with their decision won’t really impact their decision making.

If you want to protest, you hit their wallet. Write to their advertisers. Find out what commercials ran on the show and that’s where you direct your protests.

Money talks, bullshit walks.

are you kidding me???!!! HE GOT A BLOW JOB ON STAGE!!!! i don’t see how you defend that??? you people are taking this “discrimination” thing wayyy too serious. and there is nothing a “congressman” can do to FORCE ABC to not cancel Adam’s shows. They are a business and as of now, they do not trust adam and for a GOOD REASON!

Why wouldn’t they “trust him,” on a taped show? It’s not a matter of trust there, is it? It’s a matter of punishement. Which they can do and that’s their right as a business. Whether they are doing it because they are facing fines, or because thy just want to establish who is boss for other performers, or because they are worried about sponsorships and Disney has had problem with Conservative groups before, or because Disney is known for being mean-spirited vindictive fucks, or any combination of those things. Which again is fine, it’s their right.

I too thought his performance on that AMAs went too far, though as some here have shown, there is even on Network TV in primetime, things that are just as ‘bad.’ But the difference being Adam went off-script for his and didn’t apologize for the performance. Though he did totally understand their need to cancel. He still said it was homophobia or a double standard of people getting upset. Not that ABC didn’t have to deal with it his going off-script to do so.

Eh, I don’t support Adam’s actions at the AMAs, I condemned them. I think he was a defensive ass in the immediate interview, immediately saying censorhip.

And ABC doesn’t have to have Adam on any shows anymore, even if they are taped and the FCC doesn’t proactively fine or assign more fines if the person is on again, especially when a performance is taped anyway, so that wasn’t going to happen. But doing those things to placate sponsors is also fine business wise.

I don’t think it’s a question of worrying what Adam will do in his performances at all. He’s shown in three different performances thus far that he can do just fine, and yes, even live (CBS) but ABC doesn’t have to care and just decide whatever previous headache they gave him, was enough to take away anything else on their network.

I mean good god, the energy wasted on caring about a boy/boy kiss and a little tummy/crotch move is laughable.

I agree. Especially with everything on tv nowadays.

What is the positive? lol

He hasn’t been banned from all the networks. He’s hosting some Jingle Balls. WWFM is spinning like crazy on many radio stations. The People spread (gah!). Conan, Leno, Barbara Walters, LKL, the Hard Rock in San Diego tomorrow, People’s Choice in January…..and we’re all here tonight to be talking about all this!

“It’ll blow over” and Ellen using the wording “hope it doesn’t hurt you” when talking about the reaction to the AMA performance says to me, that Adam and people in his corner like Ellen, are acknowledging that the AMAs may have adversely affected his image, etc.
I am a big Adam fan from day one. However, I did speak out about how inappropriate I felt his AMA performance was. Boy did I wish he would have performed on the AMAs like he did on Letterman, CBS or Ellen. I watched all of them and as the dust settles, I am seeing Adam again in a positive light.
There’s a few things for Adam, who is just starting out in terms of introducing himself to people who have never heard/seen him or have only heard buzzings about him.
He needed to make his first national appearance on the AMAs, a positive one; image wise and vocally… blow it out of the box as he is quite capable of doing. He didn’t on either count.
I think what made matters worse for him is that for many people, he did not immediately come out during interviews and just admit he did something inappropriate/break the FCC rules, etc….simply apologize. He kept saying words to the effect “no apologies”. Even die hard fans, many of which are mothers, were taken back (including his own mother at first, btw), b/c he seemed to not acknowledge that his behavior was inappropriate for network tv and many of his younger fans were watching. He took a hit in how people perceived his character. Many thought he was arrogant, disrespectful, and out of touch.
I’ve said before I believe Adam at his word. Some thought he was lying, I didn’t. I also think he is probably a very nice, respectful young man. All accounts of him seem to point that way. However, most people outside the small AI bubble do not know anything about him. The only opinion they were able to form of him was based on that AMA performance and subsequent statements. Some may have been turned off even more after the AMAs, listening to his initial statements and didn’t bother to tune in to listen to him on Ellen.
He needs to do damage control but not make it seem like he’s only doing it to help himself now. He has to be perceived as geniune.
I know people who were fence sitters about him. Some thought he screamed, some thought he was OTT on AI. I think if he had just come out and sang his face off, w/o the antics, he would have won many over. Then to not immediately apologize was just adding fuel to the fire.
I hope people forget as they usually do with things. Things usually blow over. I just hope Adam gets a chance to showcase his true talent and character. He needs people who are not diehard fans to talk about his talent and nice image. Obviously he needs opportunities to do that on talk shows, etc.
I do not know if ABC is taking a hit by the FCC. I do not believe that however that ABC thought Adam would repeat that performance on GMA. They are punishing him but he did do something wrong. I am not one to point to other bad behavior (like Pink) to justify bad behavior. I am not saying there’s not discrimination or favoritism. Who knows? There are homophobics in this country, no doubt. However, Adam needs to take responsibility for his actions. ABC should make sure the punishment fits the crime on their end b/c Adam didn’t kill anyone and they need to learn to forgive too. It’s a give and take. We’re all human and we’re all in this together.

The smackdown of an entertainer is not nearly on par with the basic civil rights of hundreds of thousands of people (to me anyway).

Yep, which was the distinction I was trying to make in that particular post. Entertainers color outside the lines, so to speak, all the time, and get smacked down for it. Like was said earlier in the thread, if straight musicians get in trouble with the FCC and networks, why SHOULDN’T Adam?

WOW! Picture worth a thousand words???

RT @Glambert_3799 http://bit.ly/8QMloP This says it all. Both aired LIVE!!! #AdamBringsChange

This seems pretty harsh though, and an over reaction. I work in media, though, and any FCC fine is a big deal. Especially when the networks are scraping for every dollar. But now I understand the complete back pedal by Adam in the last few days, and his much more apologetic tone.

Except….the lesson learned from Nipplegate was 10 second delay. So, why didn’t ABC learn that lesson. Adam is a new artist. ABC promoted his performance all night as something noteworthy. The AP reporter reported simulated oral sex during rehearsals. So…what is ABC’s excuse? They were on notice, perhaps even approved some of what was reported as objectionable to the FCC, and they respond by banning Adam? Shame on ABC.

As a few others have said… ABC/Disney is a business. Whether you agree with what they did or not, they are obligated to act in what they think is in the best interest of their shareholders. If they had moral outrage over what Adam did, yet thought that keeping Adam’s scheduled appearances would financially benefit the corporation, they keep the performances. If they totally support Adam’s performance yet risk losing serious cash in the form of FCC fines/legal fees, lost sponsors / ad dollars, etc. over keeping his performances, they cancel. As a publicly traded business, this is their responsibility/right.

It is the viewer’s right to show ABC that this was a bad business decision by not watching ABC programming, and therefore affecting ratings and ad rates.

This is the same as the argument in sports… when a team sucks, yet continually sells out every game and sells tons of merchandise, what’s the incentive to change business practices?

It all comes down to money… as consumers, we vote with our money. As a business, ABC makes decisions based on financial implications.

maturin
12/02/2009 at 10:21 pm
I say this as someone who couldn’t stand the AMA performance.

This is idiotic.

Stupid suit-wearing wankers. He is guilty of severe bad taste. You whacked him once already. America talked about it, hugged it out, now let it go.

Tonight, your overkill and mean-spirited behavior make me stand on the side of this questionably dressed, not my cuppa, but clearly talented young man and say ENOUGH.

Seriously, cut it out.

Wonderful post, maturin. Do you think you could send that to ABC?

To me the issue with the Pink video is that it was not a big deal at the time. Forget ABC, GMA, Jimmy Kimmel, and RNYE. Adam’s RACY performance was on the news two days with outrage B/F ABC did anything. But, there was No outrage over Pink. Most people probably didn’t even know it happened…..why, b/c it was a female. Adam’s was a big deal b/c it was a male.

I don’t think this is persecution of Adam. People keep bringing up other instances of sexual acts or simulated sexual acts on all sorts of shows. I think the problem is that Adam went off script with his act. When a sexual act is rehearsed the network is aware of it and is prepared for it. They can work around something that is rehearsed even if it is in a “live” show and they have been aware of it from rehearsal. I do think that if Adam had rehearsed these moves and ABC was aware of them, it wouldn’t have caused such an uproar.

So to me comparing to any of the following:
soap operas
Britney/Madonna’s kiss
current scripted shows (Courgar Town, for example)

doesn’t seem logical. I do think that P!ink had some issues after her Billboards performance. Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson both laid low after “Nipplegate”.

Adam seems to understand what is going on. His fans should follow his lead.

Yowza, this just seems so OTT. I hated that performance too, but this just seems beyond the pale. That must have been some fine they were threatened with. Oh, well. All the backlash may get him more attention and get peeps to check out his album.

“In a statement to The Times, an ABC spokeswoman made no mention of the FCC and would only explain the network’s decision to disinvite Lambert from performing on “Kimmel” as follows, “We decided not to move forward with the booking at this time.” ABC declined to be interviewed about the issue.” Article Link

SpenserJ
12/02/2009 at 10:25 pm

Well on some level some of us think this is part of the same issue. I fully appreciate you don’t but please appreciate that some of us do.

I appreciate that, but I just believe those are two totally different things. The gay marriage movement is really about basic civil rights and equality. The right to make a life with the person you love, parent your children together, have rights of survivorship, etc. There is no basic right to be on Network tv.

The smackdown of an entertainer is not nearly on par with the basic civil rights of hundreds of thousands of people (to me anyway).

Um if he was not a gay entertainer I would agree but sometimes things like this is indicative of the lager issue of why gay marriage meets such opposition. If people accept overt sexual performances from one sector of the population and not another then beliefs of said group are considered less then regardless of the venue. I agree on the surface the AMA aftermath of lets keep him off our station is not that serious (or as serious) but when you have others on the show doing sexual moves and the gay does it and it is consider indecent something is not right.

#AdamBringsChange < funniest thing i've seen in a long while

I don’t think this is persecution of Adam. People keep bringing up other instances of sexual acts or simulated sexual acts on all sorts of shows. I think the problem is that Adam went off script with his act. When a sexual act is rehearsed the network is aware of it and is prepared for it

You know that the other instances were done during rehearsals how? Did we get to see these rehearsals and subsequent performances? Where are your sources?

I thought there was an Equal Rights Amendment in the US. Hmmm

As a feminist let me tell you, NO, that never happened. I mean heaven forfend there be equal rights. Sorry, this is bringing up a lot of my rage and bitterness. I do not think this was due to homophobia EXCEPT possibly because of Disney placating some sponsors who might have been pressured by groups who did care about that. I know the act was horrible, I hated it, thought Adam’s justifications of it were genuinely annoying.

BUT when even the PTC that threw a fit over the performance thinks that just the cancelling of the GMAs was going too far, much less all of this, even taped performances after a week of totally fine behaviour and, while not apologizing for it, absolving ABC of cancelling the GMAs and saying he was to blame by going off script…

yeah, my annoyance and bitterness is high.

I hope that Adam can get some actual gigs where he performs and does what he said just earlier this week, concentrate on the music. Which he had been doing.

As for concentrating on the positive…not my strongeest suit, actually.

“He hasn’t been banned from all the networks. He’s hosting some Jingle Balls. WWFM is spinning like crazy on many radio stations. The People spread (gah!). Conan, Leno, Barbara Walters, LKL, the Hard Rock in San Diego tomorrow, People’s Choice in January’ ¦..and we’re all here tonight to be talking about all this!”

- That’s right clearone. ABC is just one channel. It’s not the end of the world. And may I also add that it may be even ABC’s loss.

Nice post jimdogsilkies.

I haven’t seen one response to this so I’m assuming no one has really looked at Pink’s Billboard Awards performance. Equivalent to Adam’s man-on-man bj, but Pink’s version is man-on-woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPpSpBcs4wg

Remember when MTV banned Madonna’s video “Justify My Love”? There was a huge media brouhaha, and it only cemented her place in the pop-culture pantheon. So I say go right ahead ABC, make Adam’s day.

I just remembered, Madonna was interviewed on Nightline when that happened, maybe they’ll interview Adam too. Wait, that’s on ABC. Oops! Never mind.

“Has the FCC issued a statement regarding Adam’s performance yet?”

The FCC have no business with Adam. If anything, the have to deal with ABC. I’m just happy that Adam didn’t win idol. Can you imagine how 19E would have been feeling at this moment? eh?

But, there was No outrage over Pink. Most people probably didn’t even know it happened’ ¦..why, b/c it was a female. Adam’s was a big deal b/c it was a male.

And that may be true. But even so, then the issue lies within the beliefs of the US population. If you want people to react no differently to male/male situations than they do to male/female or female/female – what you’re looking for a is a cultural change.

I agree that ABC is overreacting and being a tad ridiculous here. And, who knows what the real cause is. There’s been no FCC statement – so all speculation about a threatened fine is just that. Is it a reactionary response to all the flak the mouse has taken from the anti-gay groups? Or was ABC just plain pissed off at the little upstart for going off script?

We just don’t know the motivation, so we can’t really be sure of what ABC might be guilty. We’re asking them to do the time, before we even know what might be the crime so to speak.

I fully understand that people are using the Pink performance to illustrate a bias but of all people I don’t think Adam wants Pinks name dragged into this controversy. His new single is the song she wrote and he loves and admires her. Just like he would not want anyone to go against Allison for be booked in his place on Jimmy Kimmel Live. Just an Observation.

Oh -baxterlf- isn’t Fox a Cable station? They have very different rules than Network TV . If it is Cable then Pink’s performance would be viewed very differently.

judes Fox News channel is cable. Fox as in the same network that American Idol is on is NOT cable, it is network. Pink was on the Fox NETWORK channel.

People’s Choice in January

This is the first I’ve heard of this one. Please tell me more.
You mean Adam will be involved with another awards show next month??????

I just remembered, Madonna was interviewed on Nightline when that happened, maybe they’ll interview Adam too. Wait, that’s on ABC. Oops! Never mind.

60 minutes? Dateline?

Either way – this should at least make his Larry King interview a lot more interesting.

I fully understand that people are using the Pink performance to illustrate a bias but of all people I don’t think Adam wants Pinks name dragged into this controversy. His new single is the song she wrote and he loves and admires her. Just like he would not want anyone to go against Allison for be booked in his place on Jimmy Kimmel Live. Just an Observation.

Its too late for that. lol Stay away from twitter if you want people happy for Allison being booked in place of Adam. lol Its not that people are mad at Allison, its the way it was done and the reason she was booked on the show.

Pink is just being used as an example of a double standard, but I get what you’re saying.

PattyH: fair enough. I just did. Slightly edited, natch.

dcglam – Adam is nominated for an award – Favorite Breakout Music Artist. He is up against Susan Boyle, Kris Allen, Lady Gaga, and Demi Lovato.

You can go to People Choice . com and vote.

Whoever posted about the Equal Rights Amendment. You guys do realize that that’s not part of our constitution, right?

dcglam Adam and Kris are both nominated for a People’s Choice award, so they’ll presumably both be attending. I don’t think it’s been confirmed that they’ll be participating or performing.

hey just wondering, but is Adam eligible for a grammy award? like best new artist or something?

Whoever posted about the Equal Rights Amendment. You guys do realize that that’s not part of our constitution, right?

And, that it was an initiative that never passed anyway.

Adam has already observed and commented that “the girls” have been up to some shennanighans for a while now, and that it’s just new to folks to see a guy . . . and a gay one at that . . . play, too.

He’s also stated he has no problem with anyone’s artistic choices (Eminem, Janet, etc.)

hey just wondering, but is Adam eligible for a grammy award? like best new artist or something?

Not until next year, I believe. But, that’s a pretty long shot right there LOL.

Adam may not blame ABC, but I do.

And again, what people who bring this up are not considering is those things are pre-scripted, pre-taped, or agreed to ahead of time in rehearsal, which allows the network to structure them to remain within network and FCC standards

I’m not ready to believe that the recent cancellations are connected with the AMA/GMA stuff (maybe they are, but maybe they aren’t), but if that’s it, I think there’s more to the story than this characterization.

I’d bet anything that every single live performance has something that wasn’t scripted or in the rehearsal. It may be as benign as a musical improv, but almost certainly some dance gesture wasn’t literally in the rehearsals. So if the problem isn’t just that ABC wants to be the big boss and hates unscripted stuff. It’s the content of the unscripted that’s got them chapped, and your allusion to network and FCC standards is the crux.

But that’s exactly what’s got people calling hypocrisy. JJ’s crotch grab, scripted or not, is within ABC’s standards. Similar moves suggesting oral sex are apparently within FCC standards, since they appear on other network shows. Similar moves are not within ABC’s viewers’ standards, because they get complaints when they appear on other ABC shows, but they are within ABC’s standards, because they aren’t banning the dancers performing those moves.

Its NOT the fact that live performers improv, because every live performance does that. It’s NOT the fact that highly suggestive moves are outside ABC and FCC standards, because ABC allows the BJ version on other shows and equally suggestive ones on the very show Adam was on. There’s more to it, because it’s not likely that the inconsistency is random, it’s a business decision. But their actions are not consistent with what they are giving as reasons. The idea that they can’t book him live because he can’t be trusted is irrational. So, if it’s not spite, if it’s not a double standard, if it’s not to look good to the FCC, ABC would be doing itself a favor in the public relations department to give a believable explanation, because right now, they’re looking like asshats.

That said, storming them with protests is counter productive and gives Adam a very bad rep. Let him handle this. It’s his mess, and he’s the one who stands to lose if he gets that kind of fanbase that chases every cyber mention and pounces on every thing. That’s the kiss of death, and the poor idols seem to get more than their fair share of that. Maybe that’s the difference between being an “idol” and an artist.

Except’ ¦.the lesson learned from Nipplegate was 10 second delay. So, why didn’t ABC learn that lesson.

I think whoever was in the control booth in charge of pushing buttons pressed the wrong one and edited out the sound instead of the visual.

We can leave the FCC out of this. The LA Times nabbed this bit from their official website. They don’t monitor after 10 pm. and, as you can see in the last sentence, the networks can air pretty much whatever the hell they want after the “witching hour.” So, the FCC would not have issue with Adam’s 10:55 p.m. performance. I’m going to guess Pink’s peformance was after 10 as well.

The FCC has determined, with the approval of the courts, that there is a reasonable risk that children will be in the audience from 6 a.m. to 10 p.m., local time. Therefore, the FCC prohibits station licensees from broadcasting indecent material during that period.

“Material is indecent if, in context, it depicts or describes sexual or excretory organs or activities in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium…The ‘safe harbor’ refers to the time period between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m., local time. During this time period, a station may air indecent and/or profane material.”

I was so hoping that Tiger Woods would take over the headlines and that the Adam Lambert story would be but a footnote in history. I have to admit…I am all for the theory that what is good for one idol is good for all of them. And this is not one of those good things.

I think that SuBo is telling the story right now….people want uplifting stories.

But even so, then the issue lies within the beliefs of the US population.

That’s what I’ve been trying to say. Y’all are upset that Adam’s performance could be seen as obscene by the FCC or sponsors…both of which are things ABC does not control. In fact, ABC does show gays and lesbian being sexual on many of their scripted shows. And they DID NOT edit out Adam’s kiss with his male keyboardist. What they do not want, however, is anything cutting into their bottom line in the form of dropped advertisers and expensive legal situations. You need to target your anger at the people making life miserable for ABC. ABC is the station that booked the openly gay guy in the first place, and approved a performance where he would be walking men and women on leashes and doing suggestive moves with BOTH genders.

I hope this is not in the same vein as political causes and such. But here is a card you can sign for Adam:

http://www.groupcard.com/c/r0E48xr3a4f

If this link doesn’t work, you can find it on gossipcandy.com

If I am breaking a rule, please delete and I apologize mj.

People are douches for being mad at Allison for getting booked in place of Adam. It’s an opportunity that people in her place would absolutely kill for and she’s, what, suppose to turn it down or any ABC appearance because ABC was kicking Adam to the curb? Don’t get me wrong, ABC is overreacting, but Allison shouldn’t be going against what’s in the best interest of her fledgling career because of a controversy that she had no hand in.

Based on HDD predictions, she’s probably gonna sell 25-30K in albums in her first week. You really think she should be turning her nose up at opportunities to appear on national TV over something that’s not related to her. Do you really think this is what Adam would be telling her to do? Get real, people. It’s not all about Adam. And if even Adam says he doesn’t want to be the poster boy for gay rights, I don’t understand why Allison is expected to take up the banner of gay rights and basically turn this opportunity down because of Adam’s problems.

Zsus — was just going to post the same thing…I am well-aware of these rules, which is why I have previously posted that I did not think that ABC was going to get any FCC fines, or if it did it would be a run of the mill small one.

Clearone,

He hasn’t been banned from all the networks.

THIS! Clearly, you can see the forest for the trees. He has a whack load of appearances coming up. Not sure, but I kinda think that all these performances/appearances absolutely trump a Jimmy Kimmel appearance (can’t stand him!) and it is possible that they trump Dick Clark too (not sure if anybody was inspired to buy a record after watching Rockin’ NYE.)

Thinking positively? I wonder what might get cooked up for NYE???

‘The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.’ 

Keep it Up Adam, Tomorrow is another Day…

Man.. what a bummer..

I hated the AMA’s, too… but this is silly. He understands not to do that anymore. He was on GMA before, and Idol forever, and he did fine.

Kimmel woud’ve been GREAT doing the “mini thang” couple of songs… man that sucks! I hate ABC

Adam should do a charity concert New Years Eve in L.A., although I guess it’s short notice. What would you pay? (Ha!) It would be so sold out.

Thanks organic and will!

I believe the People’s Choice Awards are televised on CBS…….
*whew — breathing a sigh of relief over here*

Stay away from twitter if you want people happy for Allison being booked in place of Adam. lol Its not that people are mad at Allison, its the way it was done and the reason she was booked on the show.

Well I really hope people aren’t taking it out on Allison, BUT I don’t mind and agree with not watching the show now Sorry Allison. And not that I would do this here (so don’t worry mj) but yeah, I can see letting ABC know that you won’t be watching it and why, in a respectful manner. Sure, it won’t matter for jack, but it’s all business and it’s okay to understand someone else’s business reasons for doing something, and accepting that, and not doing business with them again.

Which yeah, not a big deal to Disney/ABC, but I’m all for putting one’s money where one’s mouth is. I do it with stores, like Warmart, as well. I don’t like their politics or policies, I don’t shop from them. I give my money to local business I can support.

Again, I realize a bunch of overzealous Adam fans don’t matter, so please don’t try and say that I’m saying they do. But I do believe that even small personal actions, matter. Oh and again, this isn’t just some Adam thing, this is an overall thing for me for issues much bigger than this, like environmental and labor issues.

Adam’s performance did air during that timeframe in the Central Time Zone.

And I agree with revcat—the person in the booth tried to block the fake fallatio, but freaked out and pressed the wrong button.

So, the FCC would not have issue with Adam’s 10:55 p.m.

Except that it wasn’t 10:55 everywhere. For sure in the central time zone, Adam’s performance aired at 9:55. Not sure about Mountain.

The ‘safe harbor’ refers to the time period between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m., local time. During this time period, a station may air indecent and/or profane material.’ 

The performance aired before 10 in parts of the country.

ETA: Folk and kt beat me to it.

Not until next year, I believe. But, that’s a pretty long shot right there LOL.

Okay, thanks Spenser. I wasn’t sure. Kind of sucks it’s not until next year. He probably won’t be quite as topical.

We can leave the FCC out of this. The LA Times nabbed this bit from their official website. They don’t monitor after 10 pm. and, as you can see in the last sentence, the networks can air pretty much whatever the hell they want after the ‘witching hour.’ 

Two problems, the show started at 8pm, so it would be under those rules, it was on at 9:55 in Central and Pacific standard times and in Central they might have gotten the uncensored version at 9:55.

So yeah, the FCC could have a valid complaint…if that’s what it is. Which I doubt. But even the threat of one, might be too much for ABC.

They don’t monitor after 10 pm. and, as you can see in the last sentence, the networks can air pretty much whatever the hell they want after the ‘witching hour

Why do I have to keep posting the same info…the AMA’s were broadcast CST from 7-10 PM. Adam’s performance was seen by a large section of the country before 10 PM.

eta: And yes, CST saw most of the uncensored version.

This was posted in the Times, it is the FCC regulation. Whatever Adam did, it is not against the FCC rules:
“The FCC has determined, with the approval of the courts, that there is a reasonable risk that children will be in the audience from 6 a.m. to 10 p.m., local time. Therefore, the FCC prohibits station licensees from broadcasting indecent material during that period.

“Material is indecent if, in context, it depicts or describes sexual or excretory organs or activities in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium…The ‘safe harbor’ refers to the time period between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m., local time. During this time period, a station may air indecent and/or profane material.”

ABC hasn’t received a single fine from the FCC over Adam’s performance. I was offended by Janet Jackson lip synching and caressing her va-jay-jay so much I thought maybe she had a rash.

Niall: “But networks are not going to forgive an artist easily who goes off script and therefore puts them at risk for fines. Simple as that”

Which might probably be the real issue at heart. Double standards or not, the AMAs and the network gave Adam one of the biggest honors you could possibly give a new artist (with no hits). They let him perform at the AMAs and gave him the pimp spot over all the amazing grammy winning performers on the show. Then at every intermission, they made the viewers think that this new guy was amazing and worth the wait. Adam thanked them by simulating a blowjob and giving America the finger. Then he had the arrogance to expect the same treatment as three other veterans in the music industry, which was the final sign that he was feeding into his own hype. If the network is getting fined for it and now feel like Adam made fools of them , they have every prerogative to not want to promote him.

I just looked at the Pink video and I’m not surprised to see a ton of bitter posts (in the past hour) about how she got away with it and Adam didn’t. I’m not sure it’s a good idea to spam a Pink thread. Plus that was kind of a bad-ass performance, which only emphasizes how bad Adam’s was. Do people really want the various blogs putting those two performances side by side?

I did not think that ABC was going to get any FCC fines, or if it did it would be a run of the mill small one.

What does it matter anyway – clearly ABC just appeals those fines for years and years and never pays them. I don’t think they’ve even paid the fine for Janet’s boobie yet.

And I agree with revcat’”the person in the booth tried to block the fake fallatio, but freaked out and pressed the wrong button.

Man, if they’re this pissed at Adam – can you imagine what happend to THAT guy?

Forget health care and forget gay marriage. ABC won’t bow to the greatness of Adam Lambert!

IN a way, this helps put things in perspective. We get so worked up about a recording artist being on this show or that show, but health care is so much more important, and so is gay marriage. To me, health care is one of the most important issues facing us today. Seriously, and gay marriage is much more important than a tv appearance. This will blow over, it’s not as big a deal as it might seem in the moment. This is just about music, it’s not something that impacts the lives of thousands and millions of people like health care and gay rights are.

I’m bummed that David Cook didn’t get nominated for a Best New Artist grammy, too, and to a lot of fans it doesn’t seem fair, nor did it seem fair that his last show was cancelled due to some sort of dispute between the venue and “a promoter” whatever that means. But it’s just a bump in the road; the next cd is going to be awesome, and he’s already working on it.

As an Allison fan, I’m sorry she had to get Kimmel this way, I hope it won’t be overshadowed by the angst over Adam. Is this show on December 17th? Hopefully things will have calmed down by then. I just hope she doesn’t receive any of the fallout or that people don’t refuse to watch it because of how it came about. But whatever happens, it’s show business, and careers are lengthy and every single little thing is not catastrophic, it only seems that way at the time.

Tweet from Michael Slezak

The weird world of commerce & government doesn’t always have room for common sense and artistry. But @adamlambert ends his tweets with a

This is very astute and very true.

hated the AMA’s, too’ ¦ but this is silly. He understands not to do that anymore. He was on GMA before, and Idol forever, and he did fine.

Kimmel woud’ve been GREAT doing the ‘mini thang’  couple of songs’ ¦ man that sucks! I hate ABC

On Idol Adam would have gotten in major trouble if he had done anything wrong, probably kicked off the show. When he was on GMA the first time there hadn’t been as much hype around him as there was leading up to the AMAs and it’s aftermath where he had already gone off script once.

Thank you Zsus! ITA, the FCC excuse is bogus but Adam is using that excuse as well, probably in an effort to get his fans to calm down. He doesn’t need a war with ABC. The other networks are featuring him so I think his fans, including myself, should just move on. That being said, I don’t think ABC has any intentions of rescheduling him for Kimmel in 2010 but there really isn’t anything to be done. Leno and others who want ratings (which Kimmel could definitely use!) are going to have Adam on and I’m happy ABC isn’t the only game in town.

I don’t even have words to describe how mad I am right now. I just saw Adam in the trending twitter topics, and I had a sinking feeling something bad had happened. This is just ridiculously unfair to him. I mean, JFC, you’d think he killed someone for all this hoopla over what happened at the AMAs – absolutely unbelievable.

I thought ABC had learned its lesson after the GMA cancellation – which many perceived to be rather overblown and unnecessary to begin with. Then, with all of Adam’s great tv appearances recently, his interviews and performances etc. It just seems so freaking unfair to him to cancel his appearances like this. The guy is amazing, and to not let him perform, I just can’t even comprehend it now…

That said, storming them with protests is counter productive and gives Adam a very bad rep.

I could not disagree more. This is how it works. When a business or government agency does something that deserves reproach, this is EXACTLY how you handle it. You protest. You use your voice. You don’t sit back and let the suits handle it because the suits are the ones who are part of the problem. Adam isn’t going to get a bad rep out of this. People should follow their conscience and do what they feel is right and leave the “oh my God! Adam has such crazy fans” bullshit out of the equation. That’s not what this is about. In fact, this really isn’t even about Adam. It’s about people getting upset about gay sexuality, and the network caving to their demands.

Please don’t blame Allison – she needs the promotion and it’s not her fault. In fact, I’m really looking forward to some more of her awesome live performances!

If I don’t like Adam Lambert, and I don’t support him, does that make me an OTT non-fan?

Well according to most blogs (not MJ’s) it makes you a “hater”. I’ve been called that on more than one occasion for stating why I don’t like his music.

That said, storming them with protests is counter productive and gives Adam a very bad rep. Let him handle this. It’s his mess, and he’s the one who stands to lose if he gets that kind of fanbase that chases every cyber mention and pounces on every thing. That’s the kiss of death, and the poor idols seem to get more than their fair share of that. Maybe that’s the difference between being an ‘idol’  and an artist.

Loved your post up until this. Because if people can complain about the original acts during the show, to ABC, then it also my right to stand up for Adam.

The person editing out the sound instead of the visual is something I hadn’t thought of before. Maybe that person is a relative of someone on ABC’s board and Adam is taking the heat to save their job. (Yes, I am being sarcastic.)

WOW! Picture worth a thousand words???

RT @Glambert_3799 http://bit.ly/8QMloP This says it all. Both aired LIVE!!! #AdamBringsChange

Now that is one of the most F’d up things I have ever seen!!!

THESE PEOPLE ARE FU$&KING MORONS.’nuff said.

….

honestly this is ridiculous.

To Adam

I for one is not happy for what is happening between You and ABC.So frustrating to all the cancellations made by the network.Just hang on,You are a good person,(Yes, you are).Let this things pass, move on and use your great instruments: good performance and great vocals.You need those, for the road to success is so tough .Strive harder (in a good way)to reach your star and if you do,Don’t forget those people who helped you and love those who persecuted you and through this good karma will come after you.We still believe in you,Adam.God bless you.

Adam may not blame ABC, but I do.

Me too.

Adam won’t blame them because he is too gracious.

Thank you, Michael Slezak!

I kind of can’t believe how much time I’m spending on this blog tonight. But I am seriously offended by this turn of events for AL. I’m not a “fan-addict” about anyone. But there’s something about this performer named Adam Lambert that affects people in an oddly profound way. I think I get it. Aside from his obvious talent and charisma, I am equally impressed by what he has demonstrated to be quality of character. This is rare in anyone, let alone a new kid on the entertainment block and this is precisely what I think makes him so appealing. I think Adam Lambert is a genuinely good guy (even Simon Cowell would agree). So, to see this bright, new talent being chastised by small-minded people and corporate interests, and to read the petty rancor about him and his AMA performance kind of makes my soul curdle a little. ABC pimped Adam Lambert. That’s a fact. Then to do a “Judas” turn on him, is just reprehensible IMHO. These folks acting as morality safety-hall monitors, need to take a good look at themselves and get real. Adam Lambert is just a guy who wants to sing. He happens to be gay. It’s just not ok by my “morality compass” to see anyone treated with this kind of discrimination. Who else can you think of who could handle all this madness with such grace and composure? Give him a break. He’s learning. If you don’t like him, that’s fine. But I think most Americans would agree that discrimination in any form, censorship of anyone, is not ok. And that’s what’s at the heart of this matter. I think we should all be profoundly appalled.

When he was on GMA the first time there hadn’t been as much hype around him as there was leading up to the AMAs and it’s aftermath where he had already gone off script once.

Which fair enough, he went off scripts, said so, took that on himself, said he understood why ABC needed to cancel him. Been saying that for a week and in that week he did a live show with CBS in the morning just fine. Did two shows, granted taped as the Kimmel performance would have been, that were also fine.

So this idea that Adam would go rogue all the time in is performance is a.) not the perponderance of his performances now (this really IS just a one time thing it appears more than not) b.) Kimmel is taped. So this ‘not trusting,’ thing is a bullshit argument to me.
(oh and I mean this is BS if ABC tries to say this is a valid reason)
Now just not wanting to deal with Adam after the AMAs and the fallout from that be it the FCC, or even just a threat of it from Conservative groups? fine. Worrying about sponsorships? Fine. Honestly worrying about what Adam would do in a taped performance? Not fine.

People should follow their conscience and do what they feel is right and leave the ‘oh my God! Adam has such crazy fans’  bullshit out of the equation. That’s not what this is about. In fact, this really isn’t even about Adam. It’s about people getting upset about gay sexuality, and the network caving to their demands.

Could not have said it better.

The biggest irony of all is that the AMAs ratings had been sagging for years and no one talked about them at all. This year the amas had the highest ratings in 7 years and everyone was talking about them afterwards. You can bet that people will be watching next year

luvadamlambert

Hey! You’re back! We missed you

And as for contacting ABC, hell to the yeah we should be doing that if we’re upset. It’s a free country, and voicing our opinion when incensed is kinda what screwed Adam over in the first place (that is, people calling in with their complaints to ABC after the AMAs). So yeah, if you don’t like what’s being done, nothing’s gonna change if you don’t make your voice heard.

Please don’t blame Allison ‘“ she needs the promotion and it’s not her fault. In fact, I’m really looking forward to some more of her awesome live performances!

Blaming Allison is soooo unnecessary to me and not what Adam would want for his ‘little sister.’ But there is still no way in hale I am going to watch that show now. Why would I?

People should follow their conscience and do what they feel is right and leave the ‘oh my God! Adam has such crazy fans’  bullshit out of the equation. That’s not what this is about. In fact, this really isn’t even about Adam. It’s about people getting upset about gay sexuality, and the network caving to their demands.

In fact, how many crazy people have come out of the woodwork to condemn Adam? Including those 1500 complaints after the original performance? If they can get worked up about what he did, then we can get worked up right back.

i am certainly going to convey my disappointment to ABC, putting it mildly. i would feel terrible doing nothing.

Does anyone know if The People’s Choice Awards voting is still going on?

Well according to most blogs (not MJ’s) it makes you a ‘hater’ . I’ve been called that on more than one occasion for stating why I don’t like his music.

I think the whole OTT adjective is stupid. You don’t have to like Adam one little bit. People who like him, so what???? People who don’t like him, so what?? Like, don’t like, it’s all the same. You shouldn’t be called a hater. And I think people that like him shouldn’t be called OTT.

I hope I am not crossing an MJ line here. sigh….

Yes, the PCA is still going on. It ends in 5-6 days.

Carla: that was a great post.

I kind of can’t believe how much time I’m spending on this blog tonight. But I am seriously offended by this turn of events for AL. I’m not a ‘fan-addict’  about anyone. But there’s something about this performer named Adam Lambert that affects people in an oddly profound way. I think I get it. Aside from his obvious talent and charisma, I am equally impressed by what he has demonstrated to be quality of character. This is rare in anyone, let alone a new kid on the entertainment block and this is precisely what I think makes him so appealing. I think Adam Lambert is a genuinely good guy (even Simon Cowell would agree). So, to see this bright, new talent being chastised by small-minded people and corporate interests, and to read the petty rancor about him and his AMA performance kind of makes my soul curdle a little. ABC pimped Adam Lambert. That’s a fact. Then to do a ‘Judas’  turn on him, is just reprehensible IMHO. These folks acting as morality safety-hall monitors, need to take a good look at themselves and get real. Adam Lambert is just a guy who wants to sing. He happens to be gay. It’s just not ok by my ‘morality compass’  to see anyone treated with this kind of discrimination. Who else can you think of who could handle all this madness with such grace and composure? Give him a break. He’s learning. If you don’t like him, that’s fine. But I think most Americans would agree that discrimination in any form, censorship of anyone, is not ok. And that’s what’s at the heart of this matter. I think we should all be profoundly appalled.

PattyH
12/02/2009 at 11:09 pm
Does anyone know if The People’s Choice Awards voting is still going on?

here…vote Adam and vote often!!!

http://www.peopleschoice.com/pca/votenow.jsp

MJ:

Thanks for a great forum! These are interesting issues.

hi mary102!!!:)
let’s just say I was a little pissed with some reactions to Adam news here.no “good” fan sites for *me*.

anyway I have Adam stuff to catch up on Ellen,cantiello,and slezak .him being canceled on kimmel is irratating but i’m honestly MAD about new years eve.after the ama’s that could have been the last time I’m allowed to see him live on tv.also when I typed “kimmel is irratating ” my iPod tried to enter “irrational”.so I guess apple agrees about how absolutely moronic these people are.

abc is on my blacklist along with AT&T now.

I hate hate HATE these f$&king imbeciles.they don’t deserve to waste space on earth.

Has Adam been added to the American idol experience at Disney? If do, how quick will they edit him out? I’ll be there in a few weeks, the day before jingle ball actually.

I wonder why Adam isn’t performing at the Jingle Balls?

iluvai -Thank you.

I love Allison.would never blame her.

thank you Carla!!!<3

that could be the best post I've ever read on this blog.or any blog.it's a breath of fresh air…

WOW! Picture worth a thousand words???
RT @Glambert_3799 http://bit.ly/8QMloP This says it all. Both aired LIVE!!! #AdamBringsChange

Here’s the video of Pink’s performance. Check it out starting @1:28 http://bit.ly/6ePvm1. Her dancer’s head is nuzzled in her crotch exactly like Adam’s dancer’s was in his.

Okay, I’m taking a deep breath now.

I feel like I do when someone has been cruel to someone in my family – REALLY mad.

But Adam is taking the high road, and Sleazak’s tweet is a very good, calming one.

I think, if you like Allison, of course watch her on ABC.

And if you just can’t, – well, I guess get the album then.

Speaking of albums, I listened to Adam’s again today while running. It’s so amazing. I told my running partner that we should switch ipods on Friday (but not ear-buds – gross!) so she could listen to it, and she said yeah.

So I think he’ll gain another fan on Friday.

Good nite, all. Thank you for being tolerant and entertaining.

(Yes, People’s Choice Voting is still going on. It’s one of those where you can just vote and vote and vote . . . I like one computer/one vote much better. Otherwise it too easily becomes that the winner is the person whose fans have the most free time . . . ?)

Man this is just saddening. And I dont mean just Adam, I mean the overarching narrative its reflective of-ny senate rejecting the gay marriage bill etc…why so scared America why so fucking scared

I would never blame alli.she’s my 2nd favorite idol ever.

thank you carla.that was a breath of fresh air.the best post I’ve read on this blog,or any blog.thank you<3

Dear god, I’m literally being BOMBARDED with tweets from Adam fans about this Pink thing.

I GET IT. You can STOP TWEETING ME NOW.

The FCC has determined, with the approval of the courts, that there is a reasonable risk that children will be in the audience from 6 a.m. to 10 p.m., local time. Therefore, the FCC prohibits station licensees from broadcasting indecent material during that period.

‘Material is indecent if, in context, it depicts or describes sexual or excretory organs or activities in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium’ ¦The ‘safe harbor’ refers to the time period between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m., local time. During this time period, a station may air indecent and/or profane material.’ 

Sorry this rule doesn’t make any difference. Adam’s AMA performance was aired at 9:55 pm central time. So it did not meet the “safe harbor” rule.

Someone already beat me to this. Sorry

I feel like I do when someone has been cruel to someone in my family ‘“ REALLY mad.

exactly

Carla - loved your p