Adam Lambert vs Adam Levine (The Voice Controversy!)

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The twitterverse erupted last night when news leaked that The Voice contestant, Nakia’s semifinal song choice was Adam Lambert’s “Whataya Want From Me”.

It’s always dicey when a contestant on a reality show singing competition decides to cover a beloved song by an Idol contestant. Comparisons are made, fan wars erupt.

But before fans got a chance to critique Nakia’s performance, a much bigger controversy erupted during coach Adam Levine’s post-performance critique of Nakia’s  performance.

“I’m not familiar with that song, but you just forced me to like it,” said Levine post performance,  “I’m pretty sure, although I’ve never heard that song before…that you probably sang it better than the person that sang it originally. So, good job.”

No HE DID NOT! Oh yes he did.

The twitterverse erupted with responses from angry and/or perplexed Adam Lambert fans who could not believe that a. Levine never heard Adam’s hit song, and b. That he’d assume that Nakia sang the song better than Adam.

During the early morning hours, Adam Lambert tweeted a response, praising Nakia, teasing Levine and calming his fans all in one fell swoop, “Yeah Nakia! Saaaang boy!! Great performance. I think Adam might know who I am after this next album. Get ready for me Levine. Hahah…But for the record, Im def a Maroon 5 fan. Fans: there is NO reason to be angry. Thanks for being protective but it’s all good.”

Nakia also responded via twitter, “Before I go to bed: Fans, pls don’t hate on @adamlevine for his comments about WWFM. He’s a great guy & wasn’t trying sabotage anything. xo”

Adam Levine stuck to his guns, however, when he tweeted this response in the early morning hours today, “I had honestly never heard that song before. I thought that @nakia made me like a song that would have otherwise fallen flat. I’m NOT sorry.”

There was some speculation that perhaps Levine was purposely trying to turn Adam Lambert’s fanbase against Nakia with his remarks. After all, Nakia is a member rival Cee Lo’s team.

I’m taking Levine’s remarks at face value.  It might be the case that if somebody played the record for Levine he’d go “Oh THAT song…I’ve heard it before!” But the guy’s got a busy career. It’s possible that in the moment he could not recall the song. And I don’t believe for a hot minute that he cares or has any idea about what goes on in the Idol bubble world.  I would imagine he was totally shocked when his twitter @ replies suddenly went off the hook.

The song is not selling a lot of downloads so far. It’s currently languishing in the bottom 3rd of the iTunes chart.  I don’t think the poor showing is a result of a backlash, or has anything to do with Adam Lambert.  The performance was early, muddy and there were better performances that came later.

What do you guys think? Is Levine toying with the fanbase? Not completely truthful? totally clueless? Do you think he should apologize?

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  • bentley1530

    I think he was yanking the chain in a fun way. No harm, no foul. And so was Blake who is not getting much flack for his comment but I really think it was all in fun.

  • anovich

    I think Glamberts over-reacted to what Levine said. It is definitely possible that he hasn’t heard Lambert’s version of the song before, even if he knows who Adam Lambert is. I also think he was trying to give Nakia some positive feedback on his performance and didn’t imply a knock/diss/put-down on Adam Lambert.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    What do you guys think? Is Levine toying with the fanbase? Not completely truthful? totally clueless? Do you think he should apologize?

    I think that Levine was clueless, especially given that he hadn’t heard other very popular songs before. Even if he wasn’t, I think that it was a harmless poke and I don’t think that he needs to apologize. In perspective, it’s a really minor issue. IMO, Lambert handled the whole thing perfectly in his tweets, and is coming out on top in the 137-some odd news articles about this. Good publicity for him. ;) Some Lambert fans are way too sensitive, protective and Lambert-centric, but there are fans like this in every fanbase.

  • Anmor

    I don’t think that Adam Levine’s comment was any big deal, but I don’t think that the Glamberts’ reaction was any big deal either. It’s all part of the amusing game of pop culture. Overall, the passion of Adam Lambert’s fan base does him far more good than harm.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    As a fan myself I love the fact that Adam has a luxury of extremely committed fan-base to fall on to. Glamberts are a fierce bunch indeed. By as a fun I also wish folks would learn to just chill the hell out. %))
    There is nothing particularly deep, nor insulting about saying “I am not familiar with original, but you did it so good, I bet you did it better!” On this show all coaches are also cheerleaders, so they cheer.
    And from where I sit not knowing who Adam Lambert is, is pretty much the norm of life. Period.
    I reeeealy wish Glam Nation was not so insisting on turning Adam into some “untouchable” figure, whose name people rather not even mention, because he got some craaaazes on his side. %)

  • Nina1

    Stoopid,, stoopid stuff. Who cares?

  • musicality

    “IMO, Lambert handled the whole thing perfectly in his tweets, and is coming out on top in the 137-some odd news articles about this. Good publicity for him. Some Lambert fans are way too sensitive, protective and Lambert-centric, but there are fans like this in every fanbase.”

    I agree with the above. (the block quote option is gone :( )

    Personally, I think Levine is way to self-absorbed to even recognize there are other artists out there. They way he phrased his critique was rather stupid too. But hey what ever. He should be glad he didn’t get The Beliebers or the Britney Spears fans after him.

  • laz

    Classy response from Adam Lambert. Levine could have phrased his enthusiasm a bit more differently (he hasn’t heard the song before, so why even bother tacking on that bit about Nakia probably singing it better than the original?), but it all seems pretty harmless. Was actually kind of surprised to go online and see that it created some controversy. :O

  • superfudge

    Wait…Adam Lambert fans are irrational, overprotective and out of their fucking minds?

    In other news, the grass remains green….

  • musicality

    “Was actually kind of surprised to go online and see that it created some controversy. :O ”

    It only becomes controversial when bloggers and news starts picking up on it. It’s hitting main stream news now. Last week Levine and The Voice got a ton of tweets about his comment that Dia’s version of Heartless was original. No one picked up on it so hence not controversial.
    The execs at The Voice must be popping champagne corks and high-fiving each other. Tons of free publicity. Their name is mentioned over and over again.

  • Studio57

    Every celebrity has crazy fans. Just yesterday I witnessed the sickness of Bam Margera/ Jackass fans on twitter towards Roger Ebert’s statements about the Ryan Dunn accident. I missed the whole brouhaha but this morning when I saw it I thought Levine was kind of a dumbass for saying he was sure Nakia sounded better than the original singer even though he never heard the song before. That’s just an idiotic statement, but whatevs.

  • cowboysfan

    The world doesn’t revolve around Adam Lambert. I never even heard of the song until he performed it on Idol.

  • thesheriff

    wow…rascal flatt’s fans didn’t go through this earlier in the season did they, when adam had never heard ‘god bless the broken road’ from jeff jenkins? he said the same thing. i wanna know what levine has on his ipod. top 40 and country? apparently not…. and me either.

  • Elliegrll

    I don’t have a problem with what Adam Levine said last night, even though he did previously take a shot at AI. He told one contestant that she was good enough to win AI, but not good enough to be on The Voice. This wouldn’t be such a hypocritical statement, if The Voice producers had not openly recruited people who had previously tried out for AI, and made it as far as the top 24.

    His statement today on twitter about being part of a show that is actually having an impact on music is also a joke, considering that AI alums have amassed more than 300 number ones on Billboard. Considering the achievements of AI and the people who have been on the show, and taking into account that The Voice hasn’t been as big of a hit as AI was when it premiered during the summer, Adam needs to cool it with the cheap shots.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    “Wait…Adam Lambert fans are irrational, overprotective and out of their fucking minds?

    In other news, the grass remains green….”

    ^^^^
    ROTFL

  • St.Lucia

    Oh for crying out loud. Way for SOME Adam Lambert fans to get their panties all in a knot.

    I personally was surprised that Adam Levine hadn’t heard the song(regardless that Adam Lambert sang it) just because I found the song inescapable and I don’t even really listen to the radio. But I figured this would blow up into something that shouldn’t have been.

    But there go SOME Adam Lambert fans blowing things out of proportion. Sometimes I think Adam Lambert himself gets fed up with some of the stupid things people in his fanbase can do.

  • laz

    @Musicality, haha good point. Both Adam L.s seem fine, I bet some media folks are disappointed it didn’t escalate into something more. You’re right, entertainment journalists and bloggers seem to want to milk it as much as they can right now.

  • Mel1

    wow…rascal flatt’s fans didn’t go through this earlier in the season did they, when adam had never heard ‘god bless the broken road’ from jeff jenkins? he said the same thing.

    Did he also say Jenkins sang it better than Rascal Flatts and made the song good instead of it falling flat like the original?

  • Oksana2000

    What happened to page numbers? And “Quote” function? Am I the only one who doesn’t see it?

  • JackedUp

    Adam Latrine is a good looking man but he should stick to modeling… that voice of his was nothing to moan about.

  • cassie87

    Honestly, I was upset. No, not because Adam Levine said it was better than Adam Lambert, but the fact that he said it without ever hearing Adam Lambert sing it. So it seemed to be a very ignorant comment. I love Adam Levine, but I lost a little respect for him last night. Not that he cares.

  • Elliegrll

    Did he also say Jenkins sang it better than Rascal Flatts and made the song good instead of it falling flat like the original?

    I think his point was that often when people are not familiar with a song, covers can fall flat, because it’s hard to connect with a song on a first listen. That’s why few people sing obscure songs on AI. As he said later, Nakia made him feel the song.

  • Nostradamas

    If anyone…ANYONE …is THAT invested in being a “fan” of anything they need to get a life or do something to stop sucking up the oxygen from the rest of us…seriously….and the rest of us HAVE to stop giving them the satisfaction of giving a shit for what they say…ignore the ignorant….

  • Tess

    I think there are two factions who give a whale of a shit about what happened last night: over invested fans and over invested non-fans who love making fun of the over invested.

  • Truthiness

    Tempest meet teapot. Oh and yaawwn. Not sure how this is an issue, but for a few overly zealous fans of Lambert’s. I think he handled the situation well. Complimenting Nakia, the gentle ribbing of Levine, and telling the parts of his fanbase that were getting OTT, to simmah down.

    And good for Levine for not apologizing. No reason he should. Though I do think his saying he was sure Nakia was better than th original, when he never heard the original? Really? How does that even make sense. Oh wells. Don’t care. This is a complete non-troversy to me.

  • koshka

    “Tess says:
    06/22/2011 at 2:02 pm
    I think there are two factions who give a whale of a shit about what happened last night: over invested fans and over invested non-fans who love making fun of the over invested.”

    Spot on.. LOL

  • Trina

    I like both Adams so I feel like I’m just somewhere in the middle. Some of the shit Adam L. got tweeted to him was OTT and overly harsh. I dont blame AL fans for being pissed about saying it was probably sung better than the original (especially since IMO Nakia’s was bad IMO) but I dont think Adam should be bashed for simply not knowing the song. I’m not surprised by his tweet either. I figured he would shrug off all the angry comments and wouldnt care. Maroon 5 has sold something like 10 million albums, has Grammy’s, and multiple hits, I doubted Adam would lose sleep over annoying some fans. However he should probably be more careful about putting down something without actually hearing it just out of respect.

  • tomr

    Count me as one of the latter. Who cares how Adam Lambert sang it!

  • Mel1

    It’s also interesting so many articles are coming out about Levine’s comments. So, it’s not just the Glamberts that are making a stir.

  • tinawina

    and is coming out on top in the 137-some odd news articles about this.

    That actually took me by surprise so I went to Google to see for myself. There are not 137 news article about this “controversy”. When I clicked on the link in Google news list there were a bunch of articles that mentioned Adam Lambert’s name as in “and then Nakia sang the Adam Lambert song, Whattya Want From Me”. Oh, and stuff from open contributor blogs like The Examiner LOL. There are some who talked about this Adam vs Adam thing mind you, but it really isn’t getting any kind of breathless attention yet.

    I don’t think this is a big deal at all. Everybody’s fine, no harm no foul.

  • turquoisewaters

    I think after Lambert took things so well on twitter, Levine’s “I’m NOT sorry” was less than gracious. He comes off to me as the handsome kind that always got by on looks, and apparently it did nothing for his character development.

  • tomr

    Lambert needs all the help he can get so he should be thanking Levine.

  • Dakota01

    “but I dont think Adam should be bashed for simply not knowing the song”

    That’s not what some fans are upset with. Sure he may not have heard of the song, fine, but making a comment that Nakia “probably sang it better than the person that sang it originally” was what ticked some fans off. Personally, I don’t think he meant it the way it sounded, but it’s not hard to see how some fans would be uspet by it.

    But you know what, at the end of the day both Adams and The Voice have gotten lots of free publicity because the media found this “incident” to be so newsworthy. So good for them for the free press. Plus WWFM got a nice iTunes bump. It’s all good.

  • Mel1

    NBCTheVoice has gone on twitter several times thanking Adam Lambert for his support.

  • Bobug

    LOL….I told my husband as soon as I heard him say this *oh no, the Adam fans are gonna have a meltdown*. Chill out….Adam Lambert can handle it.

  • brie200

    Basically it’s a whole lot of drama for nothing. If Adam Lambert isn’t bothered by it, then I don’t get why his fans are causing such an uproar about it either. No matter what I think of Adam Levine he is certainly entitled to his opinion. I see no reason why he needs to offer an apology to Lambert or to over-sensitive fans.

  • stwbcross

    I don’t really care whether Levine has heard the song or not but to diss the original artist on any song is really totally classless. And I totally agree with turquoisewaters on this statement “I think after Lambert took things so well on twitter, Levine’s “I’m NOT sorry” was less than gracious.”

  • Niall

    I missed The Voice last night so I didn’t hear the oh so offending, crisis inducing remark (heh) by Levine, but I love finding out that his response today was just to reaffirm his opinion. The Glambert stampede clearly ran into somebody a little too famous to care about their usual panty twisting.

  • smeggingnuts

    Tess
    I think there are two factions who give a whale of a shit about what happened last night: over invested fans and over invested non-fans who love making fun of the over invested.

    haha to true

    I think there has only been like 3-4 articles specifically about the Adam vs Adam thing.

    I was kinda surprised when I looked at Levines twitter feed, sure there was a few OTT tweets but alot were links to Adam’s performances of WWFM. And ALOT didn’t even mention Lambert at all.

    Whether Levine has heard or hasn’t heard a song is meh who cares. I am wondering if this is his continuation of the Idol vs Voice schtick he has. Isn’t he the one that consistantly takes shots at Idol? I don’t think it really has anything to do with Adam or Kris I think its Levine’s MO to take shots as Idol as much as possible.

  • GwendolynD

    I don’t care either way.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    His statement today on twitter about being part of a show that is actually having an impact on music is also a joke, considering that AI alums have amassed more than 300 number ones on Billboard. Considering the achievements of AI and the people who have been on the show, and taking into account that The Voice hasn’t been as big of a hit as AI was when it premiered during the summer, Adam needs to cool it with the cheap shots.

    Yeah, I agree. I’m getting the impression that Adam sort of says stuff trying to hype the show and its contestants, without really thinking about what he’s saying. It makes no sense to claim that “The Voice” is having a real impact on the music industry based on iTunes sales of a few covers. Idol can claim an impact because of the alumni who have gone on to have significant, established careers beyond the show, but it’s silly if Adam is trying to claim the same thing about “The Voice” at this very early stage.

  • jumpstart

    Hilarious

  • fadetowhite

    WTF: it’s a comment on a talent show. :lol

    The man hadn’t heard the song, didn’t know who sang it and made a throwaway comment. Well big shock. horror. He hadn’t heard a song that Adam lambert sang!

    Well if he hadn’t heard the song and didn’t know that Lambert sang it, then how the hell can it be a diss?

    I know it’s only a small minority of Lambert fans who overreact to stuff like this and end up looking like nutters – I just sympathise with the normal ones!

  • Holden

    Just like “Idol,” “The Voice” is about the contestants, not the judges/coaches. Nakia rocked it and Adam Lambert loved it. Who cares what Levine thinks? Nakia is not even on his team.

  • Studio57

    “That actually took me by surprise so I went to Google to see for myself. There are not 137 news article about this “controversy”. ”

    Thank God! I can now get some sleep ;)

  • girlygirl

    I don’t know or particularly care whether Adam Levine had ever heard WWFM before. If he doesn’t listen to the radio or watch VH1, maybe he has never heard it. I didn’t take it as a dig against Adam lambert.

    However, I do think this tweet from Levine earlier today is a dig at Idol:

    adamlevine

    #I’m so proud to be part of a show that is actually impacting the music industry in a genuine way. #OVERWHELMED

  • Listening

    I think he has nothing to apologize for. he shouldn’t have to apologize for not hearing a song before or not liking a song. Do any of us apologize for not hearing or liking songs I mean there are millions of songs you can’t hear everything. He honestly thought Nakia sounded great,though I must admit the judges thing every song anyone sings sounds great but regardless he couldn’t imagine someone singing it better. Why say sorry for that. And to take affront at someone’s disbelieve that someone could sing a song better than a person he’s never heard sing the song seems ridiculous. All you have to say is well if you’d heard Adam Lambert sing it you wouldn’t say that. Nobody knows what Adam Levine would think if he actually heard Lambert’s voice on the song yet they’re up in arms.

    I feel the only legit thing to get flustered about is Nakia saying he didn’t even want to sing the song in the beginning or Blake poking fun at Adams Award show controversy even though it wasn’t much of a big deal seems fans would see that as more offensive to me.

    And Nakia had no shot of taking down Vicci even if Adam Levine had never brought up Adam Lambert.

  • bean99

    I find it hard to believe that anyone would get worked up about this. I wouldn’t have been able to tell you who sang that song if they hadn’t said it on the show. I certainly don’t have a clue if it was any good as sung by Adam Lambert. I thought Nakia did pretty good and am almost sure I’d prefer it to Lambert’s version.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    Who knows? Maybe Adam Levine was jealous of Blake and CeeLo for having twitter drama, and wanted some of his own. *Kidding*

    I’m with Tess. The only people who care are the Adam fanatics and the people who love to disapprove of Adam fanatics.

    Still, I don’t think saying, “You sang it better than the original” is ever necessary or smart. If Vicci had performed “The House That Built Me” and he said that, I think Blake Shelton would have popped him one.

  • Mtlfan

    I think Levine is just making his ‘show’ and it was his way to uber compliment Nakia; i wouldn’t read more to it except the underlying occasional crack at Idol which he uses to create noise and publicity for The Voice.
    Is this gracious? no. But that was a storm in a glass of water.

  • tinawina

    However, I do think this tweet from Levine earlier today is a dig at Idol:

    adamlevine

    #I’m so proud to be part of a show that is actually impacting the music industry in a genuine way. #OVERWHELMED

    Is it bad that I don’t care about that either? LOL. He’s excited about his show. **shrugs**

    I don’t get the impression he knows all that much about Idol anyway.

    Thank God! I can now get some sleep ;)

    Glad I could help you with your insomnia. Anytime.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I think there are two factions who give a whale of a shit about what happened last night: over invested fans and over invested non-fans who love making fun of the over invested.

    You’re right about the over invested fans, but I don’t think that you have to be an over invested non-fan to laugh at nutjob fans. They are generally pretty entertaining.

  • Listening

    girlygirl, yeah that is a shot at Idol but then again that’s all the Voice has been doing it’s entire season even their promo ads had shots at Idol so that’s nothing new.

    What I don’t get is how he can allude that no other show impacts the music industry in a genuine way. I mean what has the voice done yet, nothing except put some people on itunes. I mean Idol’s done that and much more you got past idols involved in music programs, honoring other musicians and winning grammys. That’s pretty genuine to me.

  • Pidge

    Lambert sang the crap out of it. Nakia didn’t. Vicci’s stronger a singer. End of story.

  • smeggingnuts

    What I don’t get is how he can allude that no other show impacts the music industry in a genuine way. I mean what has the voice done yet, nothing except put some people on itunes. I mean Idol’s done that and much more you got past idols involved in music programs, honoring other musicians and winning grammys. That’s pretty genuine to me.

    haha hell my Levine’s definition even GLEE has had more of an impact on the music industry

  • phil_atlanta2

    There is such a thing called hyperbole. Judges and coaches in reality shows use it all the time to pimp contestants or the show itself. How many times have we heard about best top 12 ever, best performance ever, etc. Coaches on The Voice have not uttered as single negative comment about the contestants all season. Their job is to pimp them. Many a time on Idol the judges called a particular performance better than the original. Randy called Kris’ “Heartless” better than The Fray’s and better than Kanye’s, for example. I don’t recall any fans being offended. With the exception of Beiber fans, it seems to me that only Idol fans are super sensitive about their idol being slighted.

    So Glamberts, chill out. This was not about Lambert. It was just Levine doing what he is paid to do. Hype the show’s contestants. I mean, does anyone believe that the coaches really mean everything they say about the contestants?

  • weareallinnocent

    Moved from prior thread:

    LOL Well, technically, Levine dissed P!nk, not Adam Lambert. She recorded WWFM originally, albeit unreleased. P!nk dissed herself when she said Lambert sang it “way better” than her. So, who’s to say that Levine wasn’t grading the performance to fall somewhere between P!nk and Lambert? :-)

    That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Heh.

  • Buffynut

    “Last week Levine and The Voice got a ton of tweets about his comment that Dia’s version of Heartless was original. No one picked up on it so hence not controversial”

    Which shows you how clueless Levine is since Kris opened for him last summer, for several gigs, and sang the acoustic Heartless! (rolls eyes!)

    “turquoisewaters says:

    06/22/2011 at 2:12 pm

    I think after Lambert took things so well on twitter, Levine’s “I’m NOT sorry” was less than gracious.”

    ^^ Yes! Especially in light of Adam Lambert’s 2 tweets. Even if I weren’t a Lambert fan, this statement really makes Levine look like an a$$ with a huge ego.

    (Sorry the quote function is not coming up for me so I tried to use quotation marks to make this post understandable!)

  • Shirley

    So Adam Levine thought the song otherwise would have fallen flat (I agree that, imo, this is not a very good song, it’s too simple for me). Sounds like a double wammy there. He shouldn’t have to apologize for never hearing the song before. And it’s hard to make him apologize for saying Nakia probably did it better than the original singer, whom he doesn’t recognize/never heard before–No biggie, except Adam Lambert has some rapid fans who won’t let it go. I don’t think Adam Levine could give a care, him and his 10 million records. Both Adam L.’s will live through this. Publicity can’t hurt neither of them.

  • Buffynut

    “LOL Well, technically, Levine dissed P!nk, not Adam Lambert. She recorded WWFM originally, albeit unreleased. P!nk dissed herself when she said Lambert sang it “way better” than her. So, who’s to say that Levine wasn’t grading the performance to fall somewhere between P!nk and Lambert?”

    Nice try! :) But if Levine never heard Lambert’s version, he sure as hell hasn’t heard P!NK’s demo version!

  • Qjane777

    Why all the calls for “chill out” when, all the Lambert lovers here are actually quit chill? I’ll have to say all these cheap shots at the Lambert fans are kind of irritating…

  • fadetowhite

    Quote: ‘Levine’s “I’m NOT sorry” was less than gracious.’

    If he’s been buried in less than gracious bs tweets of outraged Adam fans, it’s hardly surprising that he’s less than gracious in return.

    And what exactly is he supposed to be sorry for? Having an opinion that doesn’t chime in with an OTT segment of a fan community.

    Idol extremists: so hard to believe that they are an entertainment in themselves – whoever they’re a fan of (unless it’s your fav, of course, in which case you try to ignore them and pretend they aren’t there :lol).

  • weareallinnocent

    Well, yeah but, I’m accepting Levine at his word that he’s never heard it, and interpreting his so-called comparison — “you probably sang it better than the person that sang it originally” — to mean P!nk. :-)

    I mean, when you’re comparing something you know nothing about and speculating about its relative value… the sky’s the limit! lol

  • iluvai

    Well the amusing thing to me was right after Levine made his comment, I couldn’t get back on MJ’s and I thought, “oh no, Adam crashes the site again!” LOL…. It was probably just my computer, but the timing was too funny. :)

    BTW, I think Nakia did a pretty good job with the song. And both Adams should be happy for the publicity. :)

  • MusicMatt

    Interesting comments about this “situation” was it a big deal, no, not really, BUT, did it show a certain level of ignorance on Levine’s part, yes. WWFM was a Grammy nominated song and given that he is a voting memeber of the Grammy’s one he would have voted on. That to me, makes him appear less informed than he should be for someone working in the industry and introduced a level of doubt on his ability to judge a show that’s goal is to find a current recording artist.

  • Lock

    Fill me in please, how could Levine compare the two singers and said one is better than the other one if he never heard one of them singing the same song?

    He said he didn’t know a top 10 hit, then said it would have fallen flat. Huh? If he’s not lying, it tells me that he is not qualified to choose hitmakers on this show. WWFM was Grammy nominated for vocal performance & on same CD as his song. IMO, he is either monumentally unaware or a liar, a douche.

  • Studio57

    “Why all the calls for “chill out” when, all the Lambert lovers here are actually quit chill?”

    Oh, now don’t go and spoil a good thread with your voice of reason ;)

  • Ringo

    The comment can be summed up in two words: Mark Burnett. I think he fed Levine the line to generate buzz. Of course Burnett is aware of Adam Lambert and of course he knows A.L. had a hit with the song. The comment was designed to generate controversy and it looks like it worked. Otherwise, Levine’s comment makes no sense: how can you compare a perfomance to the original if you never heard the original? How would you even think to come up with that statement.

  • Lock

    “Why all the calls for “chill out” when, all the Lambert lovers here are actually quit chill? I’ll have to say all these cheap shots at the Lambert fans are kind of irritating…”

    Exactly!!!

  • smeggingnuts

    Studio57 says:
    06/22/2011 at 3:07 pm
    “Why all the calls for “chill out” when, all the Lambert lovers here are actually quit chill?”

    Oh, now don’t go and spoil a good thread with your voice of reason

    haha this is idol land you leave reason at the boarder

  • Buffynut

    “fadetowhite says:

    06/22/2011 at 2:59 pm

    Quote: ‘Levine’s “I’m NOT sorry” was less than gracious.’

    If he’s been buried in less than gracious bs tweets of outraged Adam fans, it’s hardly surprising that he’s less than gracious in return.”

    One can make a statement and make it funny, snarky, humorous (all of which Lambert’s was) and it doesn’t have to be an apology. No apology is necessary, in my opinion.
    But saying, “I’m NOT sorry” and even using capitals is a bit much. I just think he has a big ego.

  • HermeticallySealed

    “Fill me in please, how could Levine compare the two singers and said one is better than the other one if he never heard one of them singing the same song? ”

    LoL, I know, right? I don’t think it’s a big deal either way; just a stupid thing to say. And whatever for his comment about The Voice having an impact in the industry. Exactly what impact has it had beyond a few itune sales? As much as I dislike him, I think Scotty has had more impact in the industry than this show so far.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    What I don’t like is that Nakia was pretty much forced to sing WWFM. IMO, these contestants should be allowed to choose their own songs and sing them how they want to, otherwise it’s pretty lame that they will be judged on performances of songs that they don’t like/feel. It sounds like Vicci has really asserted herself and Cee Lo is now letting her do what she wants. Was Nakia not assertive enough?

  • sagi

    “#I’m so proud to be part of a show that is actually impacting the music industry in a genuine way. #OVERWHELMED ”

    Isn’t this the first season of The Voice? How is it genuinely affecting the music industry? I don’t see it affecting it anymore genuinely, like say, Idol is? We will see the impact, if any, when the winner makes an album. IMO, this statement was a little premature.

  • fadetowhite

    Adam’s reply to all this was fine – he’s a funny and classy guy.

    The rest is just not important – at all.

    Save it for when Adam really needs defending.

    But anyhow – it doesn’t affect me and I’d have known nothing about it if I hadn’t seen the headline here and wondered wtf the extremer segments of Adam’s fanbase had been in arms about now.

    Note – not the posters here. One of the great things about MJs is that her board policy tends to see the nuttier elements of all fan groups depart within a year or so, leaving mainly the saner ones behind!

  • JazzRocks

    I have the feeling that many artists would love to have the passionate fan base that Adam Lambert has. The passion of the core fan base is a key element in an artist’s success.

    On a lighter note – this whole thing has been fun. Even Q102 got involved.

  • spanishfan

    I am not a fan of Adam Lambert, but I think his response was excellent. If he had reacted sharply it would have put him in a bad light.

  • RockiDreams

    I thought Levine’s statement about the song was hilarious. That song sucks no matter who sings it and why it was picked is beyond me.

  • JazzRocks

    WWFM # 242 on I-Tunes. win/win

  • GreenHippo

    What I don’t like is that Nakia was pretty much forced to sing WWFM.

    Do we know why Nakia did not want to sing WWFM?

    I noticed that Cee-Lo picked new relevant songs for his two contestant, the rest pulled out old (somewhat tired) songs again.

    I really like Adam Levine and respect him, but my respect went down a few notches, because he said the original was probably falling flat. I just can’t help that feeling, because I so love Adam’s WWFM. Levine being a voting member for the Grammies, can he really be that ignorant (or can he afford to be that ignorant) and not know that song?

  • TylerWV

    When I heard Nakia was going to sing it, I wondered if it had been chosen hoping Adams fans would vote for him on that basis. That thought is about as silly as thinking Levine purposedly dissed Lambert. In their celebrity world I figure they are too busy to sit around and think about ways to bug Lambert fans or try to get those fans votes. OTT fan responses, like this, leaves a bad taste. No wonder DJS and radio programmers have made some of the comments they have over some Idol fan bases.

  • girlygirl

    Adam Levine just tweeted again:

    adamlevine

    #No disrespect intended for @adamlambert …I honesty had never heard the song before. I’m not one to take cheap shots like that.

  • luvmy5guys

    I also took Levines remarks at face value.. it was not the first (or last) pretty well known song he said he didnt know. As for the you probaby sang it better I think he was just trying to prop up a contestant and is much to busy to have even realized that Adams fans (of which i am a huge one) would get all in a tizzy over it…I thought Adam Lambert handled it perfectly…

  • ituneit

    “Do we know why Nakia did not want to sing WWFM?”

    Nakia said he did not think he could pull it off. He said the song was tough. He said he’s used to singing Jazzy/bluesy type of material and this was way out of his range.

  • Tess

    I just need to say that if Adam Lambert doesn’t make it in “show biz” he could have a well paying career in the PR business. His innate sense of diplomacy is apparent in his early morning tweet…and like MJ said he covered all the bases in a short precise paragraph and did it without offending a single soul. That takes skill!

  • GreenHippo

    “Do we know why Nakia did not want to sing WWFM?”

    Nakia said he did not think he could pull it off. He said the song was tough. He said he’s used to singing Jazzy/bluesy type of material and this was way out of his range.

    thank you ituneit!
    somehow I missed that. I thought Nakia pulled it off though :)

  • gferna

    What bothers me the most is A.Lambert, again, twetting in defense of other people. This Levine idiot doesn’t deserve the time. The guy is a complete moron, and A.Lambert shouldn’t have issue a response. Let the fans do whatever they want!
    The tweet I hate the most was the one when A.Lambert was telling A.Levine “Get ready for me Levine”….ARGHHHH!!!
    An for what? Later the idiot said that he was not sorry.
    A.Lambert, please, just let the fans deal with this kind of idiots. Do not intervine…we will take care…

  • http://americanidolreportcard.com jeffreychrist

    Gotta love the insipid Sparklecows/Glamberts. Here’s a novel concept, dolts: NOT EVERYONE HAS HEARD “WHATTYA WANT FROM ME”!!!!!!! It ain’t “Hey Jude”, folks. Millions have never heard of the song, and millions have no idea who Adam Lambert is, and to state that Adam Levine must have heard it just because he’s a rock star it is to further seep within your stupidity. And, to be angered that Levine stated that Nakia probably sang it better than Lambert is, well, more stupefying. Not everyone likes Lambert’s histrionic pop-goth. Even if Levine DID know the song, and even if Levine did think Nakia sang it better (which, he didn’t), that would be HIS OPINION, something Sparklecow’s love to dish, but can’t fathom receiving.
    It would be pathetic if it weren’t so laughable. Oh, wait. It’s both.

    http://mynewboyfriend.com/

  • koshka

    LOL they really do come out of the wood work, eh?

  • Kirsten

    A.Lambert, please, just let the fans deal with this kind of idiots. Do not intervine…we will take care…

    That’s the exact opposite of what it should be. I say let Lambert and his PR team manage these kinds of things. The fans should stay out of it and stop making situations worse. It’s Lambert’s career. Let him manage it the way he wants.

    In other news, has anybody considered that Adam Levine just has a really bad memory? Maybe it’s because half my family are plagued with the worst memories (they sometimes accuse the other half of making things up – sometimes we have to break out the photographic evidence), but that’s what I initially thought. Sure, he’s heard the song. He just forgot. Not because the song is forgettable, just because he has Swiss cheese for memory.

    In any event, Levine seems to have a Simon-like non-encyclopaedic knowledge of music. What those two don’t know or remember could fill libraries. Whatever. And now it suddenly makes more sense why Levine made Casey sing IWALY. Perhaps that is the only song he could remember that was remotely in her range. If Simon had been there instead, she would have been singing Somewhere Over the Rainbow.

  • soverymel

    I completely disagree gferna. Adam’s comment was classy and helped defuse some of the fans irritation.

    But really, OTT fans are nothing new, and are a part of many artists fanbases. A ton of Little Monsters were out in full force defending Gaga’s new EOG vid last week, Britney fans continually do battle on her behalf as she sleepwalks her way through her current tour, in the past Beliebers have tweeted death threats to Selena Gomez, and the vicious continual fanwar between Rihanna and Chris Brown fans no matter what RiRi says to try and calm them down makes Glamberts look like a basket of kittens.

    I really don’t think this was as big of a deal as the handful of online media outlets that picked it up made it out to be. Not surprising though, since sensationalizing even the silliest stuff is how they generate clicks.

  • Miss Chaos

    Adam Levine was my TV boyfriend this year, but sorry, not anymore, and not because of what he said about Adam Lambert. Its just his smartass attitude, that he is using to try to win the show. But he is still cute lol.

    But what if Adam levin had said, Well Nakia, the original singer of the song sang it much better than you!! Now how would poor Nakia felt. He was only trying to help the guy out, and didnt think thru what came out of his mouth.

    Imagine if Nakia sang Beibers Baby Baby and Levin said Nakia sang it better, OMG now that would have blown up the Twitterverse. Oh wait, anyone could sing Baby better, ya thunk!!!! HaHa

  • smeggingnuts

    koshka says:
    06/22/2011 at 6:03 pm
    LOL they really do come out of the wood work, eh?

    hehe

  • dcglam

    It is totally fine that Adam Levine has never heard of WWFM. I am more than okay with that. It is also totally fine that he thought Nakia’s performance was brilliant. I am also more than okay with that. However, to say that it was better than the original when Levine NEVER even heard the original is what is making him look like a fool.

  • JazzRocks

    Both Adams nominated for a Grammy in the same genre. What kind of egotistical a** doesn’t bother to even READ THE OTHER NOMINATIONS in your genre??? Or did he bother to look at the Grammy compilation cd? Clueless or a liar? I know which I would choose.

    Moving on…………:)

  • MrDuffin

    “LOL they really do come out of the wood work, eh?”

    Ya’ll sure do!

  • HermeticallySealed

    “But what if Adam levin had said, Well Nakia, the original singer of the song sang it much better than you!! Now how would poor Nakia felt. He was only trying to help the guy out, and didnt think thru what came out of his mouth.”

    It wasn’t really an either/or situation though. he could have easily said, “I’d never heard the song, but you really sold me on it. Really good job.” Certainly better options out there than comparing him to a singer he never heard sing. lol

  • GreenHippo

    Sings loudly:
    “I am proud to be an Americ…. uh a Sparklecow… Sparklehippo” ;)

  • gangreen29

    Adam Levine seems kind of douchy.

    I love ragging on the crazy fans and there were some priceless gems on twitter but I think it is a kind of shitty thing to say that someone must have sang it better than the original if you aren’t even aware of the original lol.

  • Montavilla

    And now it suddenly makes more sense why Levine made Casey sing IWALY. Perhaps that is the only song he could remember that was remotely in her range. If Simon had been there instead, she would have been singing Somewhere Over the Rainbow.

    You’re right. Except that Simon would feel the need to announce that he had conjured Harold Arlen and E. Y. Yarburg from their graves to get permission to use it.

  • dcglam

    “Tess says:
    06/22/2011 at 5:32 pm
    I just need to say that if Adam Lambert doesn’t make it in “show biz” he could have a well paying career in the PR business. His innate sense of diplomacy is apparent in his early morning tweet…and like MJ said he covered all the bases in a short precise paragraph and did it without offending a single soul. That takes skill!”

    Not able to blockquote for some reason, but I agree with you 100%.

  • agathe.hb

    Nostradamas says:
    06/22/2011 at 2:00 pm

    If anyone…ANYONE …is THAT invested in being a “fan” of anything they need to get a life or do something to stop sucking up the oxygen from the rest of us…seriously….and the rest of us HAVE to stop giving them the satisfaction of giving a shit for what they say…ignore the ignorant….
    why so angry? it’s just a show business :D

  • Miss Chaos

    Not sticking up for Levin at all, but they key word here is (probably) sang it better than the original. Lets put it another way, If Levin had heard the original, he might probably have said, “You did a great job singing this song, but the original was a hard song to sing and had a great vocal on it” Hey I’m just pissin in the wind here lol

  • holeigh_annie

    Wait…Adam Lambert fans are irrational, overprotective and out of their fucking minds?

    In other news, the grass remains green….

    Bahahaha, awesome. Honestly, I can’t believe anyone gave this a second thought. It’s not like when Jimmy Iovine said “you sang that better than Miley Cyrus”, that was obviously a dig. If Adam Levine doesn’t listen to electronic pop he probly hadn’t ever heard the song. He also didn’t recognize Rascal Flatts during the blind auditions, which I thought was surprising. I’m glad he responded with what he did, what on earth does he have to apologize for?

  • larc

    It’s hard for me to believe Levine never heard WWFM, especially because of the Grammys and because it’s on P!nks latest album as well. I still hear Adam’s version in lots of places, not just radio. Levine can’t be so unmindful of what goes on around him.

  • dcglam

    I have to add to my earlier post…….
    WWFM was a Grammy nominated song. How embarrassing is it for a fellow musician to be totally unaware of this!

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    LOL. This is sooo not a big deal. Adam Levine is a busy man. He meant Adam no disrespect. I believe him on that. And honestly, the Grammy’s are kind of a joke. Remember Milli Vanilli?

  • http://www.twitter.com/kradam4ever2006 revolucj2006

    Would you like my 2 cents on the whole ordeal? $10 says most of the pissed off Glamberts know nothing about Maroon 5. If they did they would know that Adam has LSS: Lead Singer Syndrome. He is always a tad cocky and arrogant. Also I am on Team Levine for this one. Glamberts take things WAY WAY WAY out of proportion. I am an Adam Lambert fan myself, I even went to Glamnation, chossing that over Maroon 5. What angers me is that these hardcore Glamberts get all heated up when someone disses Lambert, but they can diss others and laugh thinking it’s no big deal. This is turning out to be just like the whole James Durbin situation. So what if Levine said he hadn’t heard WWFM, so what if he said Nakia sang it better. I don’t even like WWFM, that’s one of my least favorite Lambert tunes. Levine really doesn’t follow much of today’s mainstream stuff from what I can gather(he’s mostly into Stevie Wonder and the Beatles.). Also, he might have been back stage before the show enjoying a nice Doobie with Blake Shelton anyways or flirting with Frenchie. And like I said on Twitter last night: Quit bringing up the whole Grammy thing. Do you know how many songs are nominated/qualify/submitted for those awards? Maybe Levine didn’t vote on all of them. And don’t bring up Lambert being nominated, sure that was nice and all but he doesn’t have 3 Gramaphones sitting on his mantle like Levine now does he? Also, don’t bring the rest of Maroon 5 down because of this. If you wanna hate on Levine that’s fine but there are 6 other people (yeah 6) who have no part in this. Leave them alone. They don’t have to justify what Levine did.

    So, how was that for my 2 cents?

  • Qjane777

    “LOL they really do come out of the wood work, eh?”

    Yeah, I just wish that they can be a little bit inventive once a while…Sparklecow? Really? That’s so 2009….yawn

  • Mel1

    jeffreychrist says:
    Sparklecow’s love to dish, but can’t fathom receiving.
    It would be pathetic if it weren’t so laughable. Oh, wait. It’s both.

    Is “Sparklecow” being referred to Adam fans? I’ve read it numerous times, but don’t know where it came from and why Adam fans are called that. I’ve been to numerous shows, and most of the audience is not fat. I’ve been to AI shows, and there are probably more overweight women at those than Adam concerts. Do other fanbases have derogatory names?

  • soverymel

    Honestly, it seems like all but the most OTT Lambert fans have let this go, but the media and people who like to bitch about the fans keep dragging it out and making a bigger deal of it than it is. And Levine himself keeps on bringing it up LOL.

  • Qjane777

    Do you know how many songs are nominated/qualify/submitted for those awards?

    Last year’s Grammy, 5 songs were nominated.

    he doesn’t have 3 Gramaphones sitting on his mantle like Levine now does he?

    No, Lambert dosn’t. Tell me again how long Levine has been around the block? 10 years? OK.

  • jpfan

    What media other than Idol blogs is following this story? Levine just tweeted a couple of times about it. Not sure he’s overly invested in it other than setting the record straight.

  • rose tyler

    Adam Levine just apologized to Adam Lambert on E!. I think he might be a bit invested.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    No, Lambert dosn’t. Tell me again how long Levine has been around the block? 10 years? OK.

    That’s just it. He’s been around and quite successful. Why would he need to deliberately insult another artist who is just beginning his career. If Adam isn’t upset, why are his fans? Why can’t people take his comments at face value? In Adam’s original tweet about it, he mention Levine but didn’t @ him.

    I love Adam, but the outrage is hilarious.

    ETA: I love how publicity works. Lambert should be thrilled. ;-).

  • jpfan

    Adam Levine just apologized to Adam Lambert on E!. I think he might be a bit invested.

    Great. Now we can all forget about this non-event and see who advances on The Voice tonight.

  • Tera2

    Adam Lambert was a favorite of mine, but I’m getting tired of him and his fans cause they are becoming annoying. The glamberts went after James, and now they are trying to attack Adam Levine. Adam Levine is bigger than your Adam. I love Adam Levine and Maroon 5. He’s cool, and doesnt need to apologize for what he said at all. I was amused when he said it and didnt care if it was a dig or not.

    It doesnt surprise me he’s never heard it before. I only heard Adam’s song “What do you want from me” like 4 times on radio too. But I heard Kris Allen’s “Heartless” many times. And I heard Chris Daughtry and Kelly Clarkson singles that were out around the same times hundred times. Also, Adam Levine is a guy who travels around the world, and busy, and may not have heard a song that wasnt over played on radio. Besides most people just listen to their own mp3′s these days and he probably does too.

  • http://www.myspace.com/revolucj2006 revolucj2006

    Do you know how many songs are nominated/qualify/submitted for those awards?

    Last year’s Grammy, 5 songs were nominated.

    I was going for the whole show in general not just one category!

  • soverymel

    What media other than Idol blogs is following this story?

    Not too many, but really I can’t believe something this dumb is being covered at all. New York Post, the Today Show blog and Perez among others, along with various radio stations.

    I did like this little blurb about the Vulture’s Anticipation Index though. I’m definitely anticipating Adam’s sophomore album!

    http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/06/its_adam_vs_adam_on_vultures_a.html

    ETA: LOL srsly Levine went on E! to say something about this? It is not Adam’s fans who are keeping this ridic thing going.

  • http://www.myspace.com/revolucj2006 revolucj2006

    Great. Now we can all forget about this non-event and see who advances on The Voice tonight.

    Only if the Mr. President isn’t long winded LOL!

  • Kirkee

    What media other than Idol blogs is following this story? Levine just tweeted a couple of times about it. Not sure he’s overly invested in it other than setting the record straight.

    Saw it on MSNBC, Today show blog, and recently on E!. And a lot of online sites. My favorite is the one mentioned above from Vulture.

  • Dakota01

    What media other than Idol blogs is following this story? Levine just tweeted a couple of times about it.

    Quite a few. Too many to list here, but you can google them.

  • soverymel

    I think WPLJ is an Idol friendly station, this made me LOL.

    Lisa Bunny_Energizer Lisa
    going to chip in to buy a radio app for Adam Levine. lmao!
    55 minutes ago

    Lisa Bunny_Energizer Lisa
    (c) WPLJ went on to say they couldn’t believe that Levine never heard of WWFM in the business that he was in. The DJs said they are all (c)
    56 minutes ago

    Lisa Bunny_Energizer Lisa
    On 95.5 WPLJ NY they played a WWFM clip & said there was no twitter war btwn Levine & Lambert. They said in was all in light-hearted fun (c)
    56 minutes ago

  • bridgette12

    I come back from work and there’s a Adam/Adamgate going on. The great part about this, is that Adam Lambert didn’t create the situation. For once he can sit back and watch someone else deal with the flack for inserting foot into mouth.

  • abbysee

    And honestly, the Grammy’s are kind of a joke. Remember Milli Vanilli?

    Yep, they stopped giving out Grammys after that debacle….no wait, isn’t Adam Levine touted every week on the voice at ‘three time Grammy winner’? Yep, they are kind of a joke, that most musicians year for!

    I think the whole thing is sorta stupid. I do think that Adam Levine knew exactly what he was doing. I don’t think it was anything to get one’s panties in a twist for, neither should he be apologetic. After all there was an article talking about how The Voice uses Twitter to up it’s ratings. Game set and match, Adam Levine! Well played.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Yep, they stopped giving out Grammys after that debacle….no wait, isn’t Adam Levine touted every week on the voice at ‘three time Grammy winner’? Yep, they are kind of a joke, that most musicians year for!

    Maybe I should have said I think the Grammys are a joke. And yes, they often don’t go to the most deserving artists, but the most commercial. So touting Lambert’s nomination sounds good in theory and is great for marketing, it doesn’t mean much to me.

    I am inclined to believe Levine. Mileage of course.

  • bean99

    Possibly Adam had heard the song but it just wasn’t that memorable. I thought a bit of it seemed familiar but don’t think I’m ever noticed the song before or who sang it. I find myself snickering when Adam Levine makes digs at Idol. Not sure this is what that was but found it funny, especially now that there’s all this outrage. I thought the other Adam’s comment a bit strange and a little too full of himself but that’s just me.

  • Kirkee

    Huh, so Levine apologized. Nice.

    Cool that Lambert’s sophmore album is #1 on NYMag’s anticipation list. I didn’t realize they had a separate list for just music releases.

    Personally I think it’s kind of fascinating how Lambert somehow always manages to turn negativity into a plus.

  • jlurksacto

    “”"”"”that’s just me.”"”"

    Yep

  • Fullmoon

    So Levine apologizes and now things settled down. Funny how that works. lol. Say what you will about the fans being relentless they always manage to get that apology at the end. I missed it and I’ll catch it later but I heard he said “They were pissed off and I like that dedication.”
    I keep hearing that passionate fans ruin careers. I have yet to see that happen. That urban legend only exists in Idoloony world.

    No passionate fans= no career.

  • emme

    I think he did it on purpose. Why else would you add the comment “I bet u sang it better” There was no reason to push the issue so far….unless there was another motive….we may never know what is going on with Levine, but his comments made it an issue. If he said only that he was unfamiliar with the song….then I would believe him

  • penzap

    No passionate fans= no career.

    ^^^ I agree.

    Adam Levine apologizes to Adam Lambert
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SErKtJvNZOQ&feature=youtu.be

  • cwm

    Thanks for the link to Levine’s apology, penzap.

    Must say, this has been an amusing story to track today. I can’t believe that it’s persisted this long and stirred up this much emotion. And yes, I’d say that this was a net benefit for Lambert. His response was perfect — it was classy, gracious, calm, confident, and humorous. In contrast to Levine’s rather unprofessional remarks. And people noticed.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Levine didn’t say anything that he didn’t say on Twitter on E! He didn’t say he was sorry or apologize. He said it was inadvertent. He said he hoped Adam didn’t take it the wrong way, and that he loved the fans’ dedication. I don’t think he backpedaled at all.

    That was Ryan and the the hostess who called it an apology and a diss. Not Levine. LOL.

  • soverymel

    I don’t think he backpedaled at all.

    Pick it apart any way you want. But going from his defiant “I’m NOT sorry” last night to his new statement on E! comes off as a turnaround IMO.

    I agree that he didn’t actually say I’m sorry, but too bad for him, the way E! set it up anyone who isn’t an Idol fan dissecting each word is going to hear that as the gist anyway LOL.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Pick it apart any way you want. But going from his defiant “I’m NOT sorry” last night to his new statement on E! comes off as a turnaround IMO.

    I agree that he didn’t actually say I’m sorry, but too bad for him, the way E! set it up anyone who isn’t an Idol fan dissecting each word is going to hear that as the gist anyway LOL.

    I didn’t pick it apart. I just listened with an critical ear. Everyone should do that no matter the topic.

    I am not a follower of either one of them in particular, although I like both Adams. I have been following the story here at MJs and read Adam’s tweets today that he really didn’t know the song and he didn’t mean any disrespect to Adam Lambert. How is that backpedaling? He basically said the same on that video above.

    Neither Adam is gonna lose sleep over this. Lambert gets in the news and Levine STAYS in the news.

  • soverymel

    I didn’t pick it apart. I just listened with an critical ear. Everyone should do that no matter the topic.

    I could be wrong, but I’m thinking most people watching E! news are not really listening with a critical ear. It’s not exactly CSPAN LOL.

    And while yeah I could see how it’s not really backpedaling from his tweet this morning, I do think it is from his first tweet last night. Since E! news isn’t exactly live, I’m guessing the chronology went (1) first tweet right after the show (2) backstage interview with E! (3) this morning second tweet (4) backstage interview shown on E!

    But now I’M picking the situation apart. Pretty sure the news cycle has run its course, and as far as I can tell it’s a win for Adam so I’m good with it.

  • Fullmoon

    Pretty sure the news cycle has run its course, and as far as I can tell it’s a win for Adam so I’m good with it.

    The media doesn’t look at things through the Idol bubble where EVERYONE has an agenda. It’s why he always gets the benefit of the doubt. I can’t wait for album 2.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Did Lambert’s version get a bump?

    ETA: Plus, E! is a Ryan thing, so of course they are gonna spin things pro Idol.

    And yes, I believe you should look at every aspect of life using critical thinking, even entertainment. Why not?

  • Volveras

    Adam levine apologize?!? Oh for petes sake. What for? For having an opinion? Even if he was playing coy or a making a strategic move, Not everyone in this world knows who adam lambert is!

  • katielynne

    Not everyone in this world knows who adam lambert is!

    Actually, I know very few people that watch Idol and less that even know who Adam Lambert is. A mountain was made out of a molehill!

  • bridgette12

    Vo

    lveras says:

    06/22/2011 at 11:54 pm

    Adam levine apologize?!? Oh for petes sake. What for? For having an opinion? Even if he was playing coy or a making a strategic move, Not everyone in this world knows who adam lambert is!

    He’s doing what any good PR person would tell him to do. Show a little class and apologize, even if you don’t mean it. It will all blow over and then press will star talking about his hit single.

  • tls62

    Did Lambert’s version get a bump?

    Only 800 spots or so. Lol. WWFM was out of the top 1,000 on the overall iTunes chart. Last I checked, it was in the mid 200′s this morning. Win/win for Adam Lambert on this one, for sure.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    He’s doing what any good PR person would tell him to do. Show a little class and apologize, even if you don’t mean it. It will all blow over and then press will star talking about his hit single.

    He didn’t really apologize or disrespect Adam. He hadn’t heard Lambert’s version and didn’t name him. I guess you can believe that or not.

    But yes, the single is now at number one on iTunes. I doubt angry Lambert fans had any part in that.

    The Voice is a hit for NBC and they are pimping the coaches. I don’t have a problem with it.

  • McCreerian

    Some of the Adam Lambert fans are scary. I saw some of the twitter feed to Levine. They need to chill out and realize that he isn’t the next Freddie/Elvis/Michael, so not everybody knows who he is.

  • bridgette12

    tls62 says:

    06/23/2011 at 12:16 am

    Only 800 spots or so. Lol. WWFM was out of the top 1,000 on the overall iTunes chart. Last I checked, it was in the mid 200?s this morning. Win/win for Adam Lambert on this one, for sure.

    Yeah, it’s a win/win for Adam. All he had to do was sit back and watch Levine deal with the situation. He didn’t create the problem, he sent out a classy tweet that was complimentary to Maroon 5 and has gotten good press while getting a bump in sales for WWFM. RCA has to be liking Adam’s “dedicated fanbase”, which hopefully will help him to good album sales later this year.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ Zsus

    Adam levine apologize?!? Oh for petes sake. What for?

    For being rude. Dissing the original singer of a song, no matter how “unknown” they might be, is bad manners. I don’t think that was his original intention, but he realized that’s how it came out, in the end. Good on Levine for recognizing that and behaving like a grown up.

    It’s true that Adam Lambert isn’t the superstar Adam Levine is. All the more reason for Levine to take the high road, don’t you think? As a matter of fact, it seems to me that both Adams took the high road in this situation. So… all’s well that ends well???!! :)

  • YeahRight

    Volveras says:

    Adam levine apologize?!? Oh for petes sake. What for? For having an opinion? Even if he was playing coy or a making a strategic move, Not everyone in this world knows who adam lambert is!

    This. I got mad when I heard Levine apologized, but then I actually watched the video and it wasn’t a real apology. E! called it an apology and backtracking because it’s Seacrest and Idol and all that stuff. Levine just basically pointed out that Lambert has crazy ass fans and that he got the tweets from them.

    McCreerian says:

    Some of the Adam Lambert fans are scary. I saw some of the twitter feed to Levine. They need to chill out and realize that he isn’t the next Freddie/Elvis/Michael, so not everybody knows who he is.

    That’s the thing. They don’t realize that and probably never will. I mean, they think everyone knows who Adam Lambert is. That is not true.

  • soverymel

    Oh please, all Idols have their own share of the crazy, if you spend any time on twitter at all outside your own feed in tweetdeck searches or in comments on articles you see it all the time. And Levine’s @replies weren’t all cray, mixed in were plenty of tweets that were totally polite with basically just a link to WWFM and a comment that they love Levine on the Voice. My own feed of pretty much all Adam fans had people debating both sides of the issue, it’s not like the fanbase is a monolith.

    I seem to remember some Kris fans raging on twitter just a few weeks ago over Levine not knowing Kris one of his tour openers did a version of Heartless. And some of Scotty’s fans responded with a lot of passion to the horrible radio article. And today some Cook fans let EW have it in the comments to their album review.

    LOL forever that Adam’s fanbase has some sort of monopoly on crazy.

  • Fullmoon

    What’s even more scarier is the obsession over the scary fans. They don’t realize they help keep Adam in the news. The ones that don’t care must be going broke stocking up with the popcorn.

  • jewels

    I think Michael Slezak nailed it – I think Levine was being a douche, but I think the potshot was at Idol, not Lambert.

    Whatever, WWFM leapt from the 800s (yes it WAS still on iTunes) to in the 200 range and Adam Lambert once again got to demonstrate what a class act he is. All good as far as I’m concerned.

    What interests me more is the reactions on blogs like this. It seems to me that the overly-invested anti-adam folks are demonstrating they are more overly-invested in adam than the adam fans. For the most part the response from fans and just plain observers was ‘really Levine – you haven’t heard the original? – Here look at this youtube’ but 24 hours later folks are still wanking about the couple of folks that did overreact, banging on about mythical glamberts who think he is bigger than Elvis and lying to themselves about how well known Lambert actually is.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    I seem to remember some Kris fans raging on twitter just a few weeks ago over Levine not knowing Kris one of his tour openers did a version of Heartless. And some of Scotty’s fans responded with a lot of passion to the horrible radio article. And today some Cook fans let EW have it in the comments to their album review.

    LOL forever that Adam’s fanbase has some sort of monopoly on crazy.

    ITA – to that. There seems to be a lot of pots calling kettles black. :)

    Personally, I like both Adams.

  • isisdagmar

    ha, I didn’t think what Adam Levine said was douchey (hyperbolic, but that’s just how these shows are), but it’s cool that it turned into 100% great PR for Adam Lambert without him even trying. :)

    lying to themselves about how well known Lambert actually is.

    yeah, it’s funny. i mean, i don’t think that he’s sooo omg famous that it’s ridiculous for people not to have heard wwfm–he’s not gaga, lol. But he is pretty famous, and it’s cool that he can so easily get lots of really good non-idol press. :) I liked seeing his album on that new york magazine culture blog list. And the especially cool thing to me is that his album was already on the list, just lower. He has actual relevance/recognition in the real world, from non-idol music fans and in the industry and the media and everything, which is pretty rare for someone off idol.

  • isisdagmar

    Also, yeah, doesn’t it go without saying that most people off idol–at least the guys–have some more ~zealous fans? i’ve seen some pretty crazy/deluded kris and david cook fans when i’ve ventured onto twitter. In fact, it’s not even just idol–little monsters and beliebers can be pretty crazy (and that’s just just the tween bieber-lovers, it would be a lot less disturbing if it were, lol).

    I think the trick is not having only those fans. Someone like Gaga has a crazy passionate, and at times just crazy, fanbase, but she has plenty of regular non-zealous fans too. The zealous fans can serve a purpose and be an asset, but the more casual fans are necessary too. Obviously, again, Adam isn’t close to Gaga’s level, but I think he has a similar fan dynamic.

    Certainly, his reputation in the “industry” (lol it seems so pretentious to say that, but i guess that’s what it is) seems great, and this whole thing was great pr for him, so…yay. :)

  • sdmama

    It was fun reading this thread. Thanks mj.

    If Adam Levine didn’t know Adam Lambert before, he now knows Adam Lambert fans for sure! Yes, Adam Lambert is the one with the extremely dedicated bunch of fans with twitter accounts. Jealous?

    This was a good day for Adam fans: He is in a news, WWFM is getting exposure, iTune sales is up, he is a getting a bonus point for being classy guy. I cannot find a single downside.

    Not a bad day for Adan Levine fan, either. He was in a news, and I don’t think he came out as a bad guy at all. I believe him not knowing all the new artists/songs, and you can’t hold it against him.

    I did wonder, if he had not heard the song before, how can you say that new one was probably better then the one he never heard it? But it’s hard to come up with a precise sentence quickly. He probably meant “this the song could fall flat, yet you sang really well. It is hard to imagine somebody could have done a better job than you did”. No dissing here, right?

    Is WWFM really flat? I love it when Adam and Pink sing it, and I never thought that is a flat song. But I admit Raise Your Glass is more addictive.

  • tls62

    And let me add, it’s NOT just Idol fans that get crazy at times. Check out the Twitter comments from the Monsters or Beliebers when they get their panties in a twist. It’s no different. Levine is right about one thing. It shows dedication, which is a good thing in the end.

    ETA: Sorry isisdagmar. Missed your post…didn’t mean to copy your thoughts!

  • jpfan

    Well if iTunes is an indicator of anything in this story, Adam Levine has completely smoked Adam Lambert. A song moving up from 800 to 200 on iTunes probably reflects a 1-2K more downloads. Levine’s new single is #1 on iTunes. That’s major as he leapfrogged Gaga and Katy Perry’s hot new song.

    However, I ‘think this “event” had zero effect on the downloads. All songs featured on the show get major exposure. However, Adam Levine looks like he’s a got a big hit on the horizon. So even with the “controversy” behind him, he’ll be getting lots of buzz (once the song goes to radio). That’s the next logical step.

  • tls62

    Well if iTunes is an indicator of anything in this story, Adam Levine has completely smoked Adam Lambert. A song moving up from 600 to 200 on iTunes probably reflects a a few thousand more downloads. Levine wnet to #1 on iTunes.

    Lol. In all fairness, Levine performed a brand NEW song on TV. WWFM has been out, what? 18 months or so? And Lambert was not even directly involved, it was second hand sales. Not really an apples to apples comparison.

  • ituneit

    Well if iTunes is an indicator of anything in this story, Adam Levine has completely smoked Adam Lambert. A song moving up from 600 to 200 on iTunes probably reflects a 1-2K more downloads. Levine’s new single is #1 on iTunes.

    Your logic is not very logical. Are you really actually trying to compare downloads of a song that has been out over a year and a half to a song that was debuted in front of 10 million people that night? Seriously? In addition to the fact Nakia not Lambert sang the song *facepalm*

  • JackedUp

    Mr. Lavine (formerly Latrine) performed live to 12 million viewers his new single and still did not reach number one. He had to later to go twitter and beg his 600,000 followers to buy more copies so he could reach number 1 “so Xtina would not hit him.” I agree with ituneit 100%

  • jpfan

    I said that all songs get exposure on the show. And obviously a new Levine songs trumps an old Lambert song.

    I don’t think either Adam’s song was affected in any way by this controversy. ;) The big plus is getting your song on the show in the first place.

  • ituneit

    I don’t think either Adam’s song was affected in any way by this controversy. ;) The big plus is getting your song on the show in the first place.

    Agreed. I highly doubt many saw it. There is an Idol bubble of which everyone speaks. This story got a little more press than usual but I didn’t turn on the 5:00 news and see it. 99.9% of the population have no clue.

    I notice Idol fantards tend to blow things out of proportion like something is a really big deal. That includes Idol bloggers for which there now appears to be 100s.

  • May

    When Adam Levine made that comment, I suspected there would be a fan backlash and that the media would perpetuate the backlash. Anyway, I’m trying to understand why people think that Adam Levine should have known this song. It got a grammy nom and did very well on the charts, but I don’t think it broke top ten in the pop radio (top 40), which would mean that a lot of people still probably haven’t heard it. I’m certainly not familiar with every grammy nominated song. The bottom line is that not everyone has American Idol on the mind!

    As for the assumption that it had to be better than the original…I suspect that Adam was just trying to give Nakia a high complement, even if it didn’t entirely make sense. To be honest, I much preferred Nakia’s rocked up arrangement to the original, but in terms of vocals, Adam Lamberts are much better, IMO.

    I can’t tell if Adam Levine is benefiting from this publicity, but it certainly isn’t hurting him. His song’s climb to #1 wasn’t instant, so I suspect that something helped it gain momentum. Plus two of his old songs are now in the top 200. I’ve seen many songs debut on American Idol with a bigger audience, but they still don’t hit #1, so I do think it’s impressive. It’s too bad that I prefer the older Maroon 5 songs to the newer ones!

  • tomr

    In 5 years time, neither Adam will be on the charts so who cares. Levine did prove this week that he can sing without screaming so I think he’ll last longer.

  • hipster.adolf

    I’ve seen many songs debut on American Idol with a bigger audience, but they still don’t hit #1, so I do think it’s impressive.

    I dunno.

    On 1 hand i feel like The Voice gets much more mainstream buzz than idol has been getting for past 4 or 5 years. (well except Adam Lambert’s season, but he was the one creating the buzz for himself, not the show imo)

    I’d compare the popularity of Voice to Glee – even tho the ratings are half (?) of what idol gets, the show is way more relevant in pop culture.

    On the other hand Adam Levine has been a vital part of that show for 2 months now and is featured twice/week heavily. It’s not the same when RiRi just appears on idol out of the blue and sings her new song while everybody just wants to know who’s eliminated. It’s understandable that Adam’s song will get bigger i-tunes bump. But i agree that No.1 is impressive and Adam is the most popular out of the coaches and the voice audience just adores him.

    Plus i think the song is amazing. Adam’s voice is processed and they clearly went for more beats and pop-ish sound than on their latest effort, but I do love it much more tha their previous album and the background whistling in the song is genius. If there’s a downside to this song, it’s the Christina feature lol. Unnecessary imo. I hope it will No.1 smash. It’s a great great song.

    Anyway i just don’t think it’s fair to compare the downloads of random guest performances on idol to Adam’s.

    Also JLo’s song went No.1 too after idol and she’s had like 1/5th of Adam Levine’s screen time.

  • Kirkee

    What interests me more is the reactions on blogs like this. It seems to me that the overly-invested anti-adam folks are demonstrating they are more overly-invested in adam than the adam fans.

    Agreed. It’s been like that with Lambert since his days on Idol but post Idol it seems much more intense. IMO.

    Also JLo’s song went No.1 too after idol and she’s had like 1/5th of Adam Levine’s screen time.

    Yeah, JLo sure got a lot of mileage out of her Idol judgeship. It seems to be the name of the game with these shows lately. More concentration on the judges, less on the contestants.

  • Fullmoon

    Maroon 5 last album sold 530,000k worldwide. The band in an interview was very disappointed with sales compare to their previous 2. My guess is Adam Levine took this gig to prevent his career from flopping. Those sales aren’t bad for the music climate we are in today but that’s a major dip. Being on a show like The Voice can boost anyone’s career (ask JLo).

  • May

    Being on a show like The Voice can boost anyone’s career (ask JLo).

    I doubt it can boost anyone’s career. J Lo is the exception IMO and Adam Levine is in good company. As I recall, she released a kick-ass video and a very catchy song, so her #1 position was well-earned. Adam Levine hasn’t even released a video yet…it was just a live performance and that is charting well.

    Also JLo’s song went No.1 too after idol and she’s had like 1/5th of Adam Levine’s screen time.

    As I recall, both Paula Abdul and Steven Tyler premiered their videos on idol after having much more screentime than Adam Levine, so I suspect that you need more than overexposure to reach number one.

    I’d compare the popularity of Voice to Glee – even tho the ratings are half (?) of what idol gets, the show is way more relevant in pop culture.

    The Voice propelled Adam Lambert’s song into the whopping 200s on itunes. Jason Castro’s Halleluliah on American idol propelled a song by a deceased artist to #1 on itunes. People were already arguing that idol had no relevance in season 7, so I disagree with that argument as an explanation for why Adam Levine did so well. The guy is talented.

  • Mel1

    What interests me more is the reactions on blogs like this. It seems to me that the overly-invested anti-adam folks are demonstrating they are more overly-invested in adam than the adam fans.

    Agreed. It’s been like that with Lambert since his days on Idol but post Idol it seems much more intense. IMO.

    Adam gets so much hate. He must be the most hated idol contestant ever. I can’t believe how people refer to him: crater-face, screams, fame whore, fat, more (many worse names, but not on here).

  • jpfan

    As far as I know the only song that got a big boost from Idol S10 was JLo’s. I’m pretty sure she introduced it cold and got a huge boost. Nobody else got much of a boost from their performance on the show.

    For Adam Levine to get a #1 after a performance of a brand new song is a big deal. Of course, it could follow the Glee model and go down as quickly as it went up.

  • Mel1

    The Voice propelled Adam Lambert’s song into the whopping 200s on itunes. Jason Castro’s Halleluliah on American idol propelled a song by a deceased artist to #1 on itunes.

    You can’t compare Hallelujah to WWFM. H is a worldwide classic that’s been around for over 20 years. It has been recorded and released by many superstar artists since its inception. It has been used in movies and TV shows all over the world. WWFM is very, very small potatoes compared to H.

    Also, Castro’s H was a moment on AI. It was stunning. Nakia’s WWFM certainly was not a moment nor stunning.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Adam gets so much hate. He must be the most hated idol contestant ever. I can’t believe how people refer to him: crater-face, screams, fame whore, fat, more (many worse names, but not on here).

    I think the hate comes mostly within in the AI bubble. I know Kat got a lot of hate, but I don’t think it went on for as long. From what I have read, people felt Kat was overpimped by Simon and didn’t deserve to advance to the finals. I think the hate died down most likely because Daughtry, Taylor and Elliott, did better than her in album sales after AI.

    I’m glad the top two this year are country singers as they really can’t be compared to S7 or S8 finalists or for that matter Haley or James. LOL :) I have to say, S8 has been a gold mine for blogs and posters.

  • Desdemona

    There is nothing particularly deep, nor insulting about saying “I am not familiar with original, but you did it so good, I bet you did it better!” On this show all coaches are also cheerleaders, so they cheer.
    And from where I sit not knowing who Adam Lambert is, is pretty much the norm of life. Period.
    I reeeealy wish Glam Nation was not so insisting on turning Adam into some “untouchable” figure, whose name people rather not even mention, because he got some craaaazes on his side.

    WORD!! I SO agree with this comment. So damn much ado about so little! I also don’t know a soul in my circle of real friends/family that even knows who Adam Lambert is ’cause they don’t watch American Idol.

  • ituneit

    undercooked says:
    06/23/2011 at 2:13 am
    I seem to remember some Kris fans raging on twitter just a few weeks ago over Levine not knowing Kris one of his tour openers did a version of Heartless. And some of Scotty’s fans responded with a lot of passion to the horrible radio article. And today some Cook fans let EW have it in the comments to their album review.

    LOL forever that Adam’s fanbase has some sort of monopoly on crazy.

    ITA – to that. There seems to be a lot of pots calling kettles black.

    Personally, I like both Adams.

    This is why I stay away from being invested in any Idol. I don’t bother voting for them. I actually have a life. If I like their music I’ll buy it if I don’t I won’t. I don’t just like one Idol then trash all others. I just like the reality tv shows. They are fun to watch.

    Clay Aiken, Taylor Hicks, David Cook, David Archuleta, Adam Lambert and Kris Allen (amongst others) have some really nut job fans. I remember just a couple of months ago Cook fans spamming RCA accusing them of spending Cooks PR budget on Adam Lambert *facepalm*. When Lambert was getting all the press from his world tour Cook fans had a virtural meltdown over the attention Lambert was getting and Cook wasn’t. PS Glamberts it’s the faction of whack-a-doodle Cook fans that spew the most negativity toward Lambo at the end of articles and on the Internet. I see Kris Allen fans spamming Adam Levine and The Voice because of Heartless, the few remaining Aiken fans just being one step from the looney bin. Taylor fans – now there’s a bizarre bunch and Archuleta fans spamming every meaningless poll and yet where did it get Archie? Glamberts pouncing on every negative reviews and the list goes on and on. Meanwhile everyone points at each other calling the other crazy. When it fact it’s a whole lot of middle aged women sitting in front of their computers hour after hour warring with each other.

    VFTW is the worst. That’s a group of women (who were middle-aged a good 15 years ago), spending hour after hour spewing hate…..ewwwwwwww….creepy and pathetic. Sorry but if I found out my mother was a memember of VFTW I’d be contemplating changing my name.
    But this is the Idol world. Very, very weird. Seriously folks, it’s best to keep a sane distance. Is Cook, Lambert, Allen etc that important in your life.

    I’m not talking the sane fans I’m talking the nut cases and yes all of them have them. They are rather amusing to watch. No need to take what I said personally unless you of course are one of the over invested nut jobs of one of the Idols.

  • cwm

    Mel1:
    Adam gets so much hate. He must be the most hated idol contestant ever.

    I don’t think that Adam is the most hated idol ever. I do think that he is one of the most polarizing ever. He’s provocative.

    There are lots and lots of people who absolutely adore Adam for a variety of reasons (voice, charisma, performance style, musical style, personality, looks, etc.). Many of these people are quite vocal in their adoration. There are also people who are really turned off by Adam for one reason or another (voice, performance style, musical style, androgynous looks, sexuality), and are vocal in their dislike. Adam will be the first to tell you that he’s not for everyone, and he seems to inspire passion on both sides. In addition, many of those turned off by Adam don’t get and are actively annoyed by his fans’ adoration for him, so that further inspires their negativity.

    Like any musical artist, there are also those in the middle, but we don’t hear from them so much. Some of these people in the middle might even be mystified and somewhat annoyed by the level of passion he inspires.

    So, yeah, there’s some surprisingly OTT negativity toward him, but I just balance that against all of the OTT adoration for him. He definitely gets people talking and it keeps him relevant. I would venture to say, though, that in general the level of negativity seems to be on the decline (the occasional nasty comment notwithstanding). I hope so at least.

    ETA: Just saw your great post, ituneit. Haha Interesting broader perspective! I agree with a lot of what you said.

  • Oksana2000

    VFTW is the worst. That’s a group of women (who were middle-aged a good 15 years ago), spending hour after hour spewing hate…..ewwwwwwww….creepy and pathetic. Sorry but if I found out my mother was a memember of VFTW I’d be contemplating changing my name.

    ituneit, thank you. I couldn’t describe that irrelevant site any better.

  • JazzRocks

    Great post Ituneit. Really spells it all out pretty darn well.

    Facepalm though over this:

    PS Glamberts it’s the faction of whack-a-doodle Cook fans that spew the most negativity toward Lambo at the end of articles and on the Internet

    Color me surprised if true.

  • number8gurl

    Well, yeah but, I’m accepting Levine at his word that he’s never heard it, and interpreting his so-called comparison — “you probably sang it better than the person that sang it originally” — to mean P!nk.

    Are you aware of how many songs made famous and recorded/released by artists were written by other artists (which often includes a demo recording?). WWFM was recorded and released by Adam and he is the “original” singer of the song for all intents and purposes. You make it sound like Adam’s version was a cover which is completely inaccurate. Pink recorded it for her greatest hits album and released it overseas only but it was not released as a single and not meant to compete with or overshadow the “original” version recorded by Adam Lambert. I kind of don’t like where you are going with this line of reasoning. BTW Britney Spears ‘Till the World Ends’ was co-written by Kesha (along with Max Martin, same as Pink did on WWFM)…I’m sure there is a demo Kesha recorded somewhere but I’ll bet you wouldn’t call the “original” singer of the song Kesha.

  • Montavilla

    VFTW is the worst. That’s a group of women (who were middle-aged a good 15 years ago), spending hour after hour spewing hate…..ewwwwwwww….creepy and pathetic. Sorry but if I found out my mother was a memember of VFTW I’d be contemplating changing my name.

    I have to admit that I’m creepily fascinated by VFTW. It’s sort of like looking at skin diseases in a medical textbook. But, how do you know these are all senior women?

    I’ve listened to the VFTW radio shows a few times and it seemed to me that the voices were at least 50/50 male/female. And most of the callers-in sounded youngish. In their twenties or maybe thirties. Some of them were definitely teenagers. And the people who host the show are two or three men and a woman who might be in their mid-thirties at most.

    The only older woman I’ve heard is someone they seem to regard fondly as a cute mascot. Which leads me to believe they don’t actually get that many older women at the site.

    Plus, they aim most of their venom at women above the age of say, 39. Why would any middle-age plus woman want to post there?

  • ituneit

    But, how do you know these are all senior women?

    It is quite easy to pull a demographic on a website if you have access to that sort of thing. VFTW is predominately female 50+ years old but mostly 50′s. It is a gay run website so hence the male voices. The male voices you hear belong mostly to Danny Z who is 53 and The Funnystone ie Dave (blog owner). Dave has recently been sued because of VFTW and posting of links he shouldn’t have allowed. There is 51 year old Suzanne T and 47 year old Debbie and 41 year old Jodie (they are the bigtime users). It’s all public info. Not hard to get. Some of them have some real mental issues (taking medication mental issues). Both Danny & Dave are gay and eat their own so to speak. Part of that segment of the self hating gay world. Their whole life stories are posted in a locked journal on LJ. It’s really rather interesting.

  • ituneit

    Plus, they aim most of their venom at women above the age of say, 39. Why would any middle-age plus woman want to post there?

    The most fascinating part of that statement is the ones who are aiming the most venom are over 40 and in some cases over 50 themselves. They consider themselves “special” because they don’t follow one particular idol but instead stalk I mean follow all of them. These people who are regulars there have some really interesting problems. They are ten times more freakish and bizarre than any of the BSC OTT fans they talk about. But the ones in the nut house never of course recognize they are in the nut house.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    PS Glamberts it’s the faction of whack-a-doodle Cook fans that spew the most negativity toward Lambo at the end of articles and on the Internet

    Color me surprised if true.

    I think it is just a handful of hardcore fans from past male contestants that are the most vocal with their “hate” of Lambert. If you look on other blogs, you can see the same names trashing Lambert but then swooning over another male idol. I am also sure there are the hardcore Lambert fans who trash other male idols as well. I see it as some sort of turf war with fans trying to ensure their male idol is considered the best male idol AI has ever had.

    Again, that is why I’m glad Scotty is country because it only seems to be an issue when idols are somewhat in the same genre, although I don’t consider Cook and Lambert in the same genre (based on their first albums). Still, there you have it.

    I like the cartoons on VFTW but I do think there are some posters there who are suffereing from some serious mental issues.

    ETA – Ituneit, I pretty much think you are spot on with your posts. I’m not sure how you gather data on demographics from websites, but I’m sure it can be done by those who know how.

  • Montavilla

    Thanks for the additional info, Ituneit. I suppose VFTW provides a public service by giving people who might have difficulty dealing with less extreme sites a place to go.

    I’m still having trouble wrapping my mind around this image of the typical VFTW member, since I’d been envisioning them as barely adult school yard taunters.

    But I guess we’re well and truly off topic now. To bring it back, somewhat, I’d like to thank MJ for putting this thread up and allowing us to pour our own loca into it.

    I’ve enjoyed the discussion and I’ve come out of it liking both Adams. It was a silly thing for Levine to say, but I think his statement on E showed a lot of good humor about the situation. And others have said, it turned into a win/win for everyone.

    Even Nakia seemed to get a little bump this morning on Itunes (or else I was looking at a weird list), since he was at #47 when I checked. I hope he doesn’t fade away. There’s something really likable about him.

  • weareallinnocent

    Well, yeah but, I’m accepting Levine at his word that he’s never heard it, and interpreting his so-called comparison — “you probably sang it better than the person that sang it originally” — to mean P!nk.

    Are you aware of how many songs made famous and recorded/released by artists were written by other artists (which often includes a demo recording?). WWFM was recorded and released by Adam and he is the “original” singer of the song for all intents and purposes. You make it sound like Adam’s version was a cover which is completely inaccurate. Pink recorded it for her greatest hits album and released it overseas only but it was not released as a single and not meant to compete with or overshadow the “original” version recorded by Adam Lambert. I kind of don’t like where you are going with this line of reasoning. BTW Britney Spears ‘Till the World Ends’ was co-written by Kesha (along with Max Martin, same as Pink did on WWFM)…I’m sure there is a demo Kesha recorded somewhere but I’ll bet you wouldn’t call the “original” singer of the song Kesha.

    LOL Feel better?