Adam Lambert Says He’ll Revisit His Rock n Roll Roots on Next Album (AUDIO)

Adam  Lambert called into the Ryan Seacrest radio show this morning to chat about about singing with Queen at the iHeartMusic Festival in September.

As far as his upcoming role on the TV show, Glee he said, “I have no detail yet. All I’ve had is a meeting with [creator] Mr. Ryan Murphy. We brainstormed a bit about what could possibly be my role and so it’s kind of still in development.”

On the untimely death of Glee star, Cory Monteith, Adam said, “I don’t know when I start, but I’m so excited and of course this weekend was tragic news, so that might put a spin on things but I hope that … the cast and myself can hopefully honor Cory’s memory somehow and I’m sure they’ll find a tasteful way to do so.”

Adam mentioned that he’s “writing music like a crazy person.” He added, “I’m in love with rock n’ roll again.  I feel like there’s such a change happening in the music scene. People are playing instruments again.  This whole thing with Queen has been really inspiring. I’m gonna kinda revisit my rock n’ roll roots again–the things that made me wanna audition for Idol in the first place. That’s been my inspiration.”

Check out the interview below.

Via RyanSeacrest.com

  • JLE

    LOL Hanging with cool grandparents…..Bet Brian and Roger will love that…Actually, they will get a kick out of it. Watching some interviews given by them they do seem to talk about Adam as their “son”, which is cool but you can feel the respect between them all.

  • seashellz51

    This excites me a lot! :) I do think Adam singing w/Queen has helped reignite this. Maybe more Pop-Rock direction than dance music. Im all for that. And lol @ the ‘cool grandparents’ comment. hehe…

  • Emmy

    I can’t wait to listen to your music like a crazy person, lol

  • Eileen99

    I don’t remember Adam having rock & roll roots but if he’s going back to them, I’m sure that will make a lot of his fans happy.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    “I’m in love with rock n’ roll again.”
    Well… That is nice to hear, since electro pop did not work out…
    I don’t know. I am one of those people who much preferred rock-leaning material from Adam’s first album. And was unimpressed by the quality of material on the second, to the point of basically losing interest in him as a recording artist (since I it did not appear that he will ever deliver my kind of music).
    And also I would be the first one who finds it very irritating when artists are confined to one genre by public’s expectations.
    But… but… but…
    Emotions are an irrational thing. Though consciencly I understand that pop-rock is Adam’s best and quite possibly only viable direction to try and establish oneself, and as admirer of his voice and stage presence I should be excited by this news. And yet at this point I mostly just find myself irritated by all of the back and forth.
    I am everything for everyone… No, actually I am electro pop… That did not work out? Oh, I am in love with rock-n-roll again.
    Sigh.
    That’s my emotions and I am not trying to convince anybody, but for me Adam’s decision to swing back and remember his rock-n-roll roots NOW, after attempt at the pop stardom did not amount to much is a turn off. Even though that is what I wanted from him from the start.

  • Chicagolaw

    The timing is right. CHR radio is embracing everyone from Imagine Dragons to fun. He would smart to take advantage of it. Runnin was my favorite song on Trespassing so if it’s anything like that I’ll be happy.

  • elliegrll

    This is confusing. As far as I know Adam’s rock roots didn’t extend beyond having that label while he was on AI. It’s really not something that has been reflected in the music that he’s released. Releasing something that is close to the sound to Fall Out Boy’s My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark would suit him very well.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Yet, during his Trespassing concerts he performed most of the songs with more of a funk and rock sound, so don’t see how it was a “Oh, didn’t like that, huh” as just what he was already doing. ::shrug:: not a big deal either way, honesty.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Citizen Vein was rock. Though, I wouldn’t expect death metal from him. His idea of rock in the past is very 70’s.

  • Chicagolaw

    Well, he grew up listening to Queen and Bowie.

    I think he is a lover of all music, actually. I am hoping that his next album will be a little more in the vein of FYE with a more ecclectic sound.

  • Ronnie D

    From Adam’s mouth to God’s ears lol. What really clinched the deal for me becoming a total Adam fan was when I saw his performance of Whole Lotta Love. I love rock n roll as well, and miss TRUE rockers that can pull it off vocally. Not just bleet on and pose like one. If Adam does a rock record, I will be the first in line to buy it. Ok, back to squeeing again. :-p

  • irockhard

    How convenient, so predictable. I have no issue for the quest for another WWFM pop hit, but if you don’t live by the motto “I will rock or I will die trying”, please don’t call yourself a rocker.

  • lkingcorn

    I’ll take Whatever is coming. Can’t wait.

  • LeoCS

    Adam is going back to his rock roots in the same way Cassadee is going back to her country roots.

  • Ronnie D

    A person can have roots from all different genres. I’m the youngest and only boy in my family, with two older sisters. My sisters played dance music, rock music, whereas my parents listened to country and oldies. The one thing i did kind of sense it that no one really wants to see a grown man up there doing songs that Britney Spears would sing. When Adam is in the rock vein, especially when performing, I find him so much more believable. Almost like he was born to sing rock.

  • irockhard

    OMG! Comment of the day!

  • Ronnie D

    Adam would easily blow Cassadee away with his vocal acrobatics. lol

  • Last Laugh Lane

    Well his dance music never really caught on mainstream… and what was he known best for singing on Idol? This seems like a career move that’s way too late in the making. *gets unfathomable amount of dislikes*

  • everything

    People are playing instruments again.

    When did they ever go away???

  • irockhard

    Insignificant detail. There’s no difference between them WRT to authenticity.

  • dy

    When did he learn to play one?

  • Pat H

    He has rock songs on FYE and a few on Trespassing that could be classified as rock, Runnin, Take Back, Chokehold. And when he performs live, almost all his songs have a lean towards rock. Honestly, Queen is kind of Pop/Rock for many of their songs. So I don’t think a lean towards Rock is going to be a big change.
    I am imagining album 3 as being more eclectic, like FYE, also, Chicagolaw

  • Kaylo17

    Whenever I hear that song, I always think of Adam (and I’m not even a fan of his). I always tell myself, “Adam’s voice is perfect for this kind of music. Maybe if he made music like this, I’d be a die-hard fan”

  • everything

    I think he is a lover of all music, actually.

    I think he’s a big fan of Country music.

  • MissMyEm

    Since I hadn’t heard of Adam pre American Idol, I can’t verify whether or not his roots were in rock n’ roll, but I can see how he’d feel that way since he’ll be singing that genre on Glee and with Queen, who he said was such an inspiration (which I can totally understand). I’m just confused about the instrument thing. Many artists play instruments so I’m not sure where that thought is coming from, but he does seem excited about it so I’ll give him that.

  • Matty Minkus

    Does he need to? He was probably busy taking voice lessons to improve his instrument which is pretty spectacular. Lol.

  • Ronnie D

    Adam is authentic, he is just a little schizophrenic when it comes to his music lol.

  • irockhard

    Very few current solo rockers or band front men don’t play instruments.

  • Ronnie D

    Have you even listened to his music? He has rock oriented tunes on both of his albums. Look up some of his Citizen Vein tracks, they are killer. Beyond the Sky and Nocturnal By the Moon are excellent examples.

  • ANNIEBA

    I don’t think Adam is talking about Classic Rock here, but more of rock instrumental sound. I loved the funk in his last album and I think he did too, so maybe some kind of rock/funk/pop fusion? If the new music is as good as TSP I will be very happy.

  • Matty Minkus

    Pre-idol he was in a rock band and wrote rock songs with them. Did you miss the Beg for Mercy controversy? He also grew up listening to rock and has spoken of it a lot.

    Trespassing has many pop-rock songs and so did his first album.

    Not getting it I guess.

  • irockhard

    Artistic schizophrenia is not a good idea for an artist who’s yet to establish themselves anywhere because it prevents them from ever doing so.

  • Happyhexer

    I’m not a purist. I’ll take rock from Adam. Although he can sing many genres (just like James), he (like James) has a voice that is born to rock. IMHO. Now, I am speaking about vocals, not the image/lifestyle, etc. that goes with being a rocker. I personally don’t care about that but I understand that some do. My fantasy is James and Adam bringing rock back to the masses.

  • Ronnie D

    Hopefully Adam’s album is somewhat like the song Can’t Let You Go. This is probably one of Adam’s best vocals recorded to date IMO, and I have yet to see any other Idol show me vocals of this caliber.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_lfmv2UprI

  • lovetheusa1776

    About age 10

  • Mandy

    His dance music was rarely played on the radio so not sure how it could have caught on mainstream. Isn’t that the case of the music of any these idols not getting radio play? Kris, Archie, Haley, Jessica, Allison, etc.

  • irockhard

    It’s not about the “rock n roll” lifestyle, the golden age of rock with it’s “sex, drugs and rock n roll” culture is long gone. It’s about a genuine love and passion for the genre. A real rocker is someone who lives, breathes and bleeds rock n roll, not someone who uses it as their backup cause dance pop didn’t work out for them.

  • Ronnie D

    Adam has established himself as a great singer. Not necessarily a chart topper, but he is respected for his singing talent. If he wasn’t he would be getting offers from bands like Hinder instead of Queen. hehe

  • Mel432

    He means in the studio.

  • Matty Minkus

    I doubt he’s talking about the same kind of rock you are. It’s probably kind of like Durbin. I’m going to do Metal!!/Hard Rock and then his songs were softer than that. He’s probably talking more pop/rock, alt-rock than the Rock! many might be thinking of.

  • Mandy

    Totally agree with you. That was my favorite track of his until Runnin’ came along.

  • springboard2

    Considering is pre-idol music, I thought he liked several genres, mostly rock (with Citizen Vein) electro-pop and ballads so I don’t think that he is selling out because he wants to go back to rock. He also likes the other two genres and made an album of them. Since it didn’t work out, going back to rock is the natural thing to do, IMO.

    And since I prefer him singing rock by a mile, I am glad that he abandons the electro thing that hate.

  • Montavilla

    I understand how that’s a big issue with rock fans. My feeling is that Adam is authentically eclectic in his musical passions. He’s a chameleon and has been since he was a child. So, it’s truer to who he is a person (from what I can tell) to jump genres than to be “I must rock or die!”

    So, the question of whether he’s authentically rock hinges on whether you consider rock to be a specific type of expression, or whether you consider rock to be a spiritual approach of expressing your true self.

  • Matty Minkus

    I don’t really think James lives the image/lifestyle of a rocker either, but he can certainly sing it.

  • Mandy

    And is rock working out for James? How are his sales?

  • Happyhexer

    Best Adam news I’ve heard in a while! And here I was excited about the possibility of an album of 80s covers (reinvented, of course) that none of his fans wanted, lol. But a rock album from Adam? I’m interested! How do the hardcore Adam fans feel about that?

    I don’t like genre tyranny, so I really don’t care that Adam has dabbled in other sounds. Better late than never. (But kudos to those who have been keeping rock alive in the interim! I’d like nothing better than a resurgence of rock, with or without Adam.)

  • Matty Minkus

    Actually he loved Johnny Cash. I doubt it’s on his playlist, but he has expressed admiration for all genres.

  • Montavilla

    Sales figures are for The Man.

  • Mandy

    So true. LOL.

  • Ronnie D

    Is that why the cover tunes Adam does at his shows are rock songs? Are You Gonna Go My Way, 20th Century Boy. He even did a cover of Enter Sandman lol. During the Glam Nation Tour he smoked a fat joint on stage while in Amsterdam, all while belting out the immortal Purple Haze, much to the pleasure of the audience I might add. lol Plus he made out with a guy and a girl in the audience all in one night. That’s rock n roll. lol

  • irockhard

    Pop is about sales, rock is about art. And James is still doing rock so it’s working out just fine for him.

  • weareallinnocent

    Ok, I had to lol at this comment, even as a fan. That was funny. I certainly understand the perception. I don’t agree with it. But, I get where it comes from.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Yes, mine as well. Bought the CD (from the UK?) so as to get it uncompressed. Incredible vocals.

  • irockhard

    That’s rock n roll. lol

    No it’s not.

  • elliegrll

    Most people who do well on AI tend to gravitate to multiple genres, which is why they have such a hard time in their post AI careers. Just because they like different genres, and may be able to sing different styles, that doesn’t mean that they can believably sell any style. By that I mean that they have to be able to convince people that the style fits them.

    It’s not coincidence that the most successful alums are the ones whose musical identities are clearly defined.

  • weareallinnocent

    Another lol from me. He has done a lot of things through the years. He’s a creative guy! Can’t wait to see/hear what he comes up with.

  • Mandy

    Sounds like you just don’t know much about him.

  • Matty Minkus

    Well, some authentic rockers are talking about altering their music for radio and changing things up so we’ll see.

    I’m not one to judge authenticity. I just know that Citizen Vein was definitely rock and so were the songs he wrote with them.

  • irockhard

    Doesn’t change that what I said is true. Pop rock he has a shot, any other type of rock (including alt.) no way.

  • elliegrll

    There are a lot of great singers, who could never establish themselves as commercially viable artists, these are really two very different things. There are many successful commercial artists who don’t have the greatest voices, but they are believable, which makes them relatable, and that’s why people buy their music.

  • elliegrll

    Everybody was thinking it, but you win the award for posting it.

  • Montavilla

    Oh, thanks. I didn’t know what he was talking about. I wonder if he’s really talking about more “live” type recording? (I’m sure there’s a specific term for that, but I don’t know what it is.)

    What I mean is recording in the way it used to be done with a band playing together, rather than recording each instrument/vocalist separately.

    I remember Haley being excited to work with a specific producer during her Idol run because that was his method. He produced her “House of the Rising Sun” single.

  • irockhard

    I hate Hinder but they’re more relevant than Queen, hehe!

  • Ronnie D

    Everybody? I never think about Cassadee. Is she from The Voice, X-Factor, or Ru Pauls Drag Race?

  • seashellz51

    Now that’s the comment of the day! lol

  • Ronnie D

    Get back to me in 20 years and we will see who remembers Queen and who remembers Hinder. LOL

  • Pippygirl

    Didn’t David Cook get an offer from Hinder, and isn’t he respected for his singing talent?

    I believe he is.

  • irockhard

    20 years from now doesn’t matter, neither does 20 years ago, it’s today that does.

  • Matty Minkus

    Well….Cook, Kris, Taylor, were pretty well defined and well….no need to go there.

    Lets face it, everybody but Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry (whose sound is out now and is talking about switching things up) has an uphill road, I their lane and out of it. We’ll see about Phillip and Scotty when their 2nd albums come out.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Yeah – had to laugh at that “everybody.”

  • Montavilla

    With the exception of Jennifer Hudson.

  • Matty Minkus

    Lolol. That’s my comment of the day, hilarious!

  • Ronnie D

    Pop is about sales and not art? I think there are a lot of Pop acts that would disagree. I think Pop is more about the art/image than the actual music. I like some pop music, and I love rock music. Both have their place in culture.

  • Mandy

    So then why didn’t James take the job as front man?

  • workdog

    I don’t have a dog in this “fight” but being multi genre’d is not a bad thing; what tends to lend a level of mockery is when someone swears up and down that the current genre is their passion, their love, etc. Now, we all know that a lot of that is spin when an album is out and perhaps it really isn’t someone’s all consuming passion (albeit some stick with one genre and it really IS their life) but since the words are spoken on record it naturally can lead others to assume a genre change indicates falsehood. Fair enough, imo. I am not a particular follower of Adam’s, sort of watch from a distance, but his training for musical theater lends itself to needing a working ability for multiple genres or work is going to be scarce. Add to that an apparent background on a personal basis of exposure to multiple genres of music, experimenting with them, and just possibly having a fondness for the sound variety, I can conceivably see where he’d move amongst them. However, again, I do think it is completely understandable that given the chosen support or words/action regarding the varying genre switches by Adam himself that an onlooker could give a bit of a side eye at the seemingly “genre of the day”. I find it admirable when a singer can segue between styles and do so relatively smoothly but I do understand the dissonance.

  • Montavilla

    Really? Because when I think of rock of roll, indiscriminate making-out is exactly what I think of. :)

  • elliegrll

    Well….Cook, Kris, Taylor, were pretty well defined and well….no need to go there.

    The music that the first two released post AI wasn’t. And the third one isn’t a commercial artist, he’s more of a performer. Nobody cares about what type of image they had on the show, their long term success is dependent on creating an identity once the show is over.

    I’d say that Kris and Cook know who they are, but like a lot of alums their debut albums were very muddled, so they never created an image or found an audience.

    You forgot to mention Fantasia, Mandissa, and now some others who seem to have found their niche, mainly Jason and Colton. The first two defined who they were and what type of music they wanted to make the moment that they stepped off of the AI stage.

  • Montavilla

    I do understand the “side-eye.” But then, Adam’s pretty used to side-eyes by now.

    :))))

  • Matty Minkus

    Lol. You don’t speak for everybody. My actual thought was back to Zodiac show/Citizen vein style or pop rock? I was also thinking of Down the Rabbit Hole kind of rock.

  • Mandy

    Soooo, Adam is a flop due to lack of sales but James isn’t because he’s in a different genre? Why is there always a different standard for Adam? Adam is a lot more well known than James, and makes a lot more money than he does.

  • elliegrll

    I think that she has a musical identity too. It’s been good enough to sell a lot of records, even if her style, or the way that people perceive her isn’t exactly current.

  • elliegrll

    The implication was that Everybody, except those who have argued for years that Adam isn’t rock. Not that that implies specifically to you, either.

  • Mandy

    But Jason and Colton aren’t big sellers, are they?

  • Ronnie D

    I can’t name one song from Hinder. I do think I remember a comment about them being a cheap Nickleback knockoff though. I guess they are more relevant in that sense. I concede. lol

  • Matty Minkus

    I don’t know, I don’t see Hinder on the same bill with 30 Seconds to Mars, Muse and other relevant acts at one of the biggest concerts in music. I also see so many teenagers that are into Queen, it’s the classic stuff, but it never goes out of style.

  • justmefornow

    Good luck with this. See you at Rock On The Range.

  • lovetheusa1776

    hahaha – done it myself with the name of that song – Love Wins over Glamour – rock vibe there, too.

  • Ronnie D

    lol Rock is about so many things it’s hard to pinpoint. I think having the balls to do what YOU want to do and letting it all go on stage is a good example.

  • Montavilla

    So, what is her identity? R&B? Broadway? Clive Davis’s favorite go-to singer?

    I’m not trying to put Jennifer Hudson down in any way. I just don’t think she’s “clearly defined” musically. Still, she is clearly one of the most successful Idols.

  • justmefornow

    Preaching to the choir, lol.

  • elliegrll

    I think that many people see her as an old school r&b singer. Her style is similar to the music that female r&b singers were releasing 30 years ago.

  • Cingara

    I was thinking, Carrie does pop (light side, dark side, hmmm), Kelly does country, what is the big deal? Adam’s dad was a DJ, Deadhead, with a huge record collection. He grew up listening to all kinds of music but always cites Bowie, Mercury, Madonna, MJ as influences. Fav movie “Velvet Goldmine.” That’s glam rock, dance, r&b. is there a rule that one can only sing ONE kind of music?

  • MissMyEm

    “This whole thing with Queen has been really inspiring. I’m gonna kinda revisit my rock n’ roll roots again–the things that made me wanna audition for Idol in the first place. That’s been my inspiration.”
    I think this quote is what made for the understanding that he meant Classic Rock since that’s the category that Queen is in.

  • elliegrll

    Big is relative in the genre that they are in. They are not going to put up numbers that are similar to pop artists. Colton’s numbers have been incredibly consistent. I don’t want to discuss numbers too much, but he’s only selling 1 to 2K albums a week, but at this point his numbers would be a lot lower than that if he wasn’t make inroads in his genre.

  • Mandy

    She doesn’t sell a lot of records.

  • Mandy

    Only due to her acting career. She doesn’t sell a lot of records.

  • Chicagolaw

    Pretty sure he is not talking about classic rock, here. I think CHR is still the goal. Something like fob would be cool.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    Very eloquently put. Thank you.

  • Ronnie D

    James bandmates ended up with whiplash due to all the headbanging, so that might have hurt is rock credibility a little.

  • Mandy

    So Adam is considered a flop because he is in pop and Jason and Colton are considered successes even though Adam is a lot more well known and makes a lot more money than both of them?

  • Mandy

    Funny on the thread about David Cook and James being offered jobs by Hinder, all the comments were that Hinder was a bad thing, glad they didn’t take the job, etc. Now it is a good thing? I have never even heard of Hinder. Pretty much everyone has heard of Queen.

  • irockhard

    No it’s about the music.

  • elliegrll

    I think the idea is to establish yourself in your genre. There are certain genres where the top performers are not going to come anywhere near selling 500K albums. They are not going to have the amount of exposure that will translate into those those types of numbers.

  • Matty Minkus

    Kris’s second album wasn’t that different from the first, neither was Cooks, Yet they both spoke of how those albums were completely them so it’s confusing. Yes, I did leave off Fantasia and Mandisa, which I shouldn’t have.

    As far as Jason, he’s in the Christian genre now, right? His first album wasn’t Christian, it was pop with a touch of reggae.

  • Cingara

    Back in his Citizen Vein(rock)/Zodiac days he also formed Digital Glitter and did several dance mixes with Fonzerelli. They are on iTunes. He did some r&b at Upright Cabaret. He likes them all, why not?

  • Happyhexer

    Maybe. But I respect those who were keeping rock alive when it was unpopular. (Assuming there is a real resurgence in its popularity.)

  • elliegrll

    Jennifer’s two albums have sold around 1.2 million copies. The first one sold over 500K. That is impressive for an Urban AC artist, who doesn’t get crossover airplay. There are not a lot of Urban AC artists who are going to sell one million albums, so for her genre, Jennifer does sell a lot of albums.

  • Mel432

    I believe Carrie is pure country, but have heard a song or two that leans toward pop. Kelly’s songs are anywhere from pop to rock and country. Should Kelly stick to one genre? I don’t know what Daughtry is going to do because I’ve heard many, many people saying he became very popular because his music was the sound of the time (Nickleback). Now that that type of music is going “out” what is he going to do? Daughtry went from selling out arenas to playing in small theatres. Multi-platinum album to nearly gold.

  • Tinawina

    Well alrighty then. LOL

    I guess I’ll wait to hear where he’s going with this.

  • Happyhexer

    I still don’t care as long as the music sounds good. I have the same argument with the country purists.

  • elliegrll

    Some people aren’t crazy about Kelly going country, but she did establish herself as a pop singer first.

    I think in the end the most important thing is that the singer is believable. It’s pretty easy for consumers to spot a phony.

  • irockhard

    Are you serious? LOL. Idea for you: quit comparing Adam and James to each other and instead compare Adam with other pop artists on major labels and James with other rock artists on indie labels.

  • irockhard

    Art and image in the music biz is not the same thing.

  • twinkies-are-back

    Ugh..please not like Durbin I don’t like his music at all.

  • Matty Minkus

    Lolol. Sorry, but what was so arty about James first album? Oh yeah… Love Me Bad. It wasn’t a bad album, but to say that’s art and Kelly Clarksons songs aren’t is ridiculous and seems like a weak argument to explain away sales or lack thereof.

  • shell29

    As a recording artist, R&B is her lane IMO (based on the music that she has released so far). That also seemed to be her genre when she competed on Idol.

  • twinkies-are-back

    Not Everybody!

  • Happyhexer

    I agree about not comparing James and Adam. I love James and I am eager for his second CD. But I am open to Adam as well if he puts out music I like. There’s room for both of them, at least in my music collection!

  • Montavilla

    The man behind “PDQ Bach” used to host a music show on NPR, with a very wide range of genres played (and bit of musical lecture in between songs). He used to open the show with this quote from someone, “If it sounds good, it is good.”

  • Happyhexer

    ^ ^ ^ THIS!

  • irockhard

    I dunno maybe the songs he wrote.

  • shell29

    Yes, Dreamgirls helped her get her record deal, but she has sold pretty well relative to her genre. She hasn’t sold a huge amount but it’s more than respectable.

  • Cingara

    Adam’s genre: Versatile singer with great voice. As long as he doesn’t rap (which I don’t consider singing) I want to hear him.

  • Happyhexer

    With the music industry the way it is, I think that is generally a true statement. But I don’t have to like it! *pout* I guess we will have to wait and see . . .

  • Montavilla

    Her biggest moment on Idol was singing “The Circle of LIfe.” Is that R&B?

  • Matty Minkus

    Yes, FOB, Imagine Dragons, Muse, even some NIN. That’s the kind of rock that I’m thinking of, not something like Avenged Sevenfold or Rob Zombie.

  • JLE

    When I think of the word artist, it makes me think of someone who is creative, thinking. exploring, questioning, changing, challenging and inventing all the time. Everyone wants to put everyone into a neat box and that is fine but then you get a lot of this auto tuned “music” that is out today. Don’t get me wrong I enjoy a fun pop music sometimes as well.

    I enjoy and appreciate when artists explore different visions of themselves and experiment with their craft. Queen’s Hot Space, anyone? People thought they were nuts moving more into disco/pop/r&b but Freddie was really feeling that vibe and was feeding off the success of Another One Bites the Dust. They got reamed for it but Freddie was like f*#@k you all. Then they moved back into the rock genre but I don’t see that as not being authentic, it was what they were exploring a the time.

    I find Adam interesting and brave the more I read about him and what he is all about. As I said in another post he doesn’t fit in a neat box and that is his curse and challenge. There are a lot of parallels between Freddie and Adam in my, albeit limited knowledge of Adam. I am very curious about his next album.

    Also, very clear to me he meant actually using instruments instead of relying on computerized music.

  • Mel432

    Adam did play in Moscow at a rock festival. He was the only pop entertainer there, and he was well-received. The audience was interesting. Most of fans of the rock bands were the tatooed, chain wearing tough-looking guys. Adam fans were very soft-looking young ladies, carrying purple balloons. They did say the tough-looking guys were curious about Adam, and many veered over to where Adam’s stage was. They seemed to like what they heard.

  • Matty Minkus

    He also talked about the rock songs on Trespassing too including Chokehold and the Queenlike sound of Trespassing which many reviewers also noted.

  • irockhard

    When she creates and releases her own music it’s R&B, mystery solved, it’s not hard at all.

  • twinkies-are-back

    The Alums that do not do well are also clearly defined .. Its not coincidence that the least successful have musical identities clearly defined too..

  • Matty Minkus

    I didn’t mean music like Durbin. That wouldn’t fit Adam at all. I meant that what Adam means is probably like pop/rock where Durbins Metal!/Hard Rock turned out to be not so much and softer than I thought his intentions were.

  • Mandy

    So basically, the definition of successful changes when it comes to Adam, even though his net worth is $5 million, he is fronting legends, and he has paparazzi following him wherever he goes.

  • irockhard

    NIN? And CHR is not the home format of those bands, alt. rock is and there’s no way they’re gonna play Adam.

  • Happyhexer

    “is there a rule that one can only sing ONE kind of music?”

    Apparently there is. But it’s not my rule and I don’t like it.

  • irockhard

    LMFAO I can’t…

  • Chicagolaw

    LOL, I so loathe country music that I didn’t even give it a thought when I posted :)

  • LongKissGoodnight

    Just to clarify, since I live in Russia and had my ear to the ground at the time of that festival.
    Adam is considered pop here, and there was a lot of talk about what is pop singer doing at the rock festival?
    But it is also true that he was well received considering…

  • ThisIsVoodoo

    Works for me. Runnin, Chokehold, Take Back are rock songs, Sure Fire Winners, Cant’ Let You Go, Sleepwalker. I’m sure he’ll work in some electro, FOB. But it does make me wonder how much RCA pushed him on Trespassing. They put Kesha in her box, she wanted guitars, Dr. Luke wouldn’t let her (Gold Trans Am is probably more like she wanted, a bonus track) . Britneys says she’s going with guitars. If it is FOB like or Pink, I’m game. Just hope he hires a band that can play it well.

  • HermeticallySealed

    If he is bound and determined to go to a more rock oriented nature, I sincerely hope it’s the 70’s style with some funk mixed in. I find too much of what passes for “rock” nowadays to be a bit generic and milquetoast for my taste (barring a few rare gems). Grunge really did a number on the genre.

  • twinkies-are-back

    Well said. and very true.

  • elliegrll

    Not to nitpick, but the song doesn’t determine what genre she is, the way that she sings/delivers it does. It’s the same with singing a song that has traditionally been a rock song, that doesn’t automatically make someone rock, especially if they sing it in the same style that someone would sing a gospel song.

  • Chicagolaw

    Adam had a lot of rock on FYE. And 3 or 4 rock tracks on Trespassing. His live shows also have always seemed to lean more rock.

  • Montavilla

    I certainly don’t have a problem with Adam doing Pop Rock.

  • Mel432

    “Also, very clear to me he meant actually using instruments instead of relying on computerized music.”

    I never thought otherwise. Many of his recorded songs used computerized instrumentation, even tho his live performances are real instruments.

  • twinkies-are-back

    Have to disagree with you on that one..I have never heard a Hinder tune…

  • seashellz51

    Yes. People like to put artists into neat little genre boxes. That is what is different about Adam. He can sing many genres. And he LIKES many genres. He tweets all the time many different sorts of music. Not just EDM/dance music. I dont think for one minute he means hard metal/head-banging music. More pop-rock. His live concerts are definitely more rock than the recorded version. Just wait.. next he’s gonna do country and more heads will explode…lol.

  • elliegrll

    No the definition of successful is the same for everyone. Did this person establish a name for themselves in their genre. A good answer to that question is whether or not that person still has a recording contract.

  • Matty Minkus

    Yeah, art is definitely in the ears of the listener lol.

  • twinkies-are-back

    HaHa…go figure..

  • Cingara

    Yet she sang with the Rolling Stones and Stephen Tyler, and will do The Sound of Music which is definitely not country. Point is, people are free to explore and experiment, not wear a cast iron mold of genre.
    Mercury sang with Montserrat Caballe; Pavarotti sang with Queen.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    Trespassing borrowed the baseline from “Another One Bites The Dust”, but sonically neither Chokehold nor Trespassing are rock or even rockish songs.

  • twinkies-are-back

    I don’t like James voice ..it grates on my nerves

  • elliegrll

    Bruno Mars is the perfect example of an artist who knows how to mix different styles of music, but the most important thing, and the reason why his style is believable, is that he knows how to mix the other genres in a way that also showcases his styles and strengths. He is a real artist, because he’s not just trying to launch on to what’s popular, or what may sell. He’s showing us who he is, that he is knowledgeable about music, and that he knows how people will respond to different sounds.

    What’s he does is not the same thing as someone who is jumping to one genre to the next to see what people will buy.

  • twinkies-are-back

    Sure it is…

  • ThisIsVoodoo

    That might be your definition of success but not mine. I don’t care if people stay in a box at all. I like Daughtry but if he comes out with a same album again idk if it sells millions, he lost me.

  • twinkies-are-back

    There you have it….

  • irockhard

    Then you obviously don’t listen to rock radio.

  • Cingara

    Well, that’s one taste. I find him dull, unexciting.

  • elliegrll

    It’s not about staying in a box, it’s about establishing a name through their music, and building up a brand based on the music. If artists are able to do that they they will always be marketable.

  • Matty Minkus

    I’ll be curious to see if James is invited back. He’s kind of sequestered himself for a little too long, I think. But if he doesn’t go too far in trying to get radio songs, he will hopefully do fine and be back.

  • weareallinnocent

    Hinder may be a more “recent” band than Queen, but they’re certainly not more relevent in the general sense. If they were, they’d be playing the iHeartRadio gig instead of Queen.

    I understand that Hinder is more relevent to you though, and that’s cool.

  • JLE

    That is fine and respect that and that is your opinion. I just completely disagree.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Actually I like some of his music, but his live appearances are always pretty much the same. Don’t find much variation.

  • elliegrll

    My post wasn’t about whether or not someone likes his music, it’s about the right way to incorporate different styles and genres. People in the industry and consumers accept this from him, because he’s doing it the right way.

  • irockhard

    All the classic bands wipe the floor with the current bands WRT tour revenue. Queen hasn’t released new material since Freddie died that’s why they’re not relevant.

  • Happyhexer

    “If it sounds good, it is good.”

    Yup! That’s my motto! Anything else is pretentious.

  • Montavilla

    Especially a song like “Somebody to Love” which was written and performed by a rock band in a gospel style.

    And I agree with you that the song itself doesn’t determine the genre of the singer. We know that lots of Idols switched up the style of their songs to something they were more comfortable with. In that particular case, Jennifer’s rendition of “Circle of Life” was straight up Disney (by way of Elton John).

    And again, I’m not trying to diss Jennifer at all. She was my pick until she left the show. My point is that post-Idol success doesn’t depend solely on creating a clear musical identity on the show. It depends on connecting with the audience and keeping their interest once the season is over.

    I’m not sure there’s any consensus on what constitutes “success” in this discussion, in any case.

  • vamp111

    Fantasia is in pretty good shape too. She often gets overlooked for her success.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Appreciate the word, “brave.” Observing him these years, that has always stood out to me. Thanks.

  • irockhard

    LOL the disco and Motown artists also used to live that lifestyle, so no it’s not rock n roll. Besides most rockers today would tell kids to practice safe sex and say no to drugs. It’s not the 60s anymore, get with the times.

  • Tinawina

    My initial reaction was much like yours. LOL. I mean when his first album came out and it was not rock, anyone who was disappointed got shouted down and we heard all about “stupid Kara labeled him a rock-god but that wasn’t true” based on Adams own words in interviews. Then in the ensuing years whenever someone suggested he should be singing rock they got a bunch of replies that Adam was a pop star and they must be “older” fans or “idol” fans if they want him to sing rock, he’s a pop star, blah blah blah.

    Now he announces a rock direction and anyone who is confused clearly doesn’t get Adam, he was rock all along!

    Um. Okay.

    ALL THAT SAID: I can see him doing something like an updated version of Bowie-ish. A mix of pop, rock and dance. That could fit him nicely. And he does have a good rock voice, so it is possible I’ll like whatever he does. I’ll wait out my confusion and be ready to hear what he comes up with. But I will remain vaguely irritated by the bruhaha in the meantime. LOL

  • Matty Minkus

    I would argue that they both are pop-rock as well as running and take back from the same album.

  • irockhard

    Cause iHeartRadio decides what’s relevant in the rock world? ROTFLMAO.

  • Gretta

    Is there really a “right way” ? I just watched an interview with Joni Mitchell who talked about her album “Blue”. She fought with her label to record it because it was not what the public expected from her. She was known as the upbeat, folk singer. “Blue” was dark, sad, moody and her best seller. The public embraced it to the surprise of the industry and even herself, she said.

  • ThisIsVoodoo

    Still disagree. Xtina, Pink, MJ, even Maroon 5 changed up their styles and eras. Tides change, so does music. EDM is phasing out, why shouldn’t artists go with the flow. I suspect Daughtry will do more country this time, he was already leaning at way.

  • Chicagolaw

    Bruno also has a luxury that a lot of artists don’t have (especially Idol alums). His label gave him the freedom and support to explore different sounds and experiment with different genres. He is no more “believable” than anyone else, imo. Bruno is an example of the success that an artist can have when the label truly supports on all levels and radio embraces without question. Because, people can’t respond to what they are not hearing, and Bruno is heard a lot.

  • shell29

    I don’t know if I agree about Taylor (who now apparently wants to go “country” with his next album).

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    Only had this post up..like an hour? I’m already banning people. Dial back the fan warring and stay on topic.

  • curly_yenta

    That’s so true – because he’s (Daughtry) a one-trick-pony. I give him one more album and if it doesn’t take off like he is expected to, he might be next on RCA’s list of ex-Idols.

  • irockhard

    The organizes told him that they loved having him there and they’d be glad to have him back.

  • Matty Minkus

    People being required to “stayin their lane” and not being allowed to explore their creativity even if there is a bit of genre jumping, is why so much generic music exists, IMO.

  • vamp111

    I doubt that.

  • Gretta

    I think you are on to something! Rings true to me! Everytime I hear someone say there is a formula to radio success or one way to make it in the music industry… someone or something comes along that blows that theory. If it sounds good… it is good!

  • waitingforthe1

    Coming off Idol many speculated that his sales would have been better had he stuck with his rock roots.

    His original song Crawl Thru Fire is VERY Rock and really good.

    I think he’s exploring his influences. On both releases there was still an underlying element of rock with some funk and electronic mixed in. However, his fans have expressed (loudly) an interest in him doing a rock record so it makes sense for him to see what comes out of that.

  • esther macha

    Does James have a band?

  • irockhard

    Blue was still singer-songwriter folk. If Blue was a disco album doubt it she would’ve got the same response from the public.

  • waitingforthe1

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say “I will rock or I will die trying” who expected to be taken seriously. That’s something a 16 year old in his garage says as he head bangs to Metalica.

  • Matty Minkus

    I have to say tho, I’m intrigued and that can only be.a good thing.

  • irockhard

    Nope, you’re not getting it.

  • curly_yenta

    Since when is Adam a rock and roll guy? What has he ever recorded that makes him think he is?

  • Tinawina

    He’s never been grung-y though, so I would be surprised if it *wasn’t* more classic rock or pop rock. That seems like it would fit his voice anyway, and he’s done that in the past. That could be interesting.

  • JLE

    Thanks. I am clearly out of my depth here with all the discussions going on on this site. I realize it is a Idol site and my knowledge is lacking in that area. I must say, Adam gets a lot of attention and posts positive and negative but attention is what it is all about. It seems like a lot of the negative is more about Adam than his music and that is fair and it is also pretty rock and roll…:)

  • shell29

    But what style did she sing that song in? Fantasia has performed songs by country artists but no one is going to mistake her for a country singer. Idols have to perform songs in a variety of genres while competing. I would define Jennifer’s style as R&B but that’s just my opinion.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    Completely agree.
    I suppose so much time and afford was put into proving that Adam is a POP artist that I am getting a whiplash from hearing that apparently his inner ROCK GOD never went away (IMHO during Trespassing era it was nowhere to be found).
    *Sigh.*
    Maybe the third attempt will result in interesting rock-leaning, hopefully commercially viable tunes that will whisk me off my feet.
    But I have to be honest, the only reason I am ever going to check out this new tunes is the fact that following post-show careers of singing competition people is one of my music-related hobbies, so it is bound to come into my attention.

    But the amount of interest/good will and that Adam had secured with his Idol run at this point had ran out.

  • elliegrll

    There’s not one way to incorporate different styles, but there are some right and some wrong ways. I also don’t think that this applies to whether or not people make upbeat music, and then suddenly do something that has a slow tempo.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Anymore, I doubt that if NIN came out today that the “rock world” would listen. Those who seem to call themselves that have become insular, xenophobic snobs who are themselves mostly responsible for the generic trend that has infected the genre. Rock used to be pretty open to experimentation and weirdness, now it’s just another pretentious niche that takes itself too seriously. But then, seems to be the way of all genre’s now.

  • Gretta

    She also did Jazz albums that were not guitar singer songwriter tunes. They were moderately successful. “Blue” was almost all piano ballads with string accompaniment. She did not want to be in the “genre” box. She wanted the freedom to express herself.

    “If it sounds good, it is good…” I think Adam is trying to find his lane to success, so to speak. He hasn’t yet found it. He has vocal talent, but has not had that big hit; which he wants. He may find it; he may not. Time will tell. And truthfully, I don’t think there is a formula or a set of rules to get there. Among the extremely talented, a whole lot of reaching success is luck and being prepared to jump when the luck starts to roll.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    It’s Mixed Reaction Central chez moi.

    1. Will defend to death any artist’s right to experiment with genres, though obviously sometimes it goes better than others.

    2. Am actively annoyed to have been led by Lambert’s own interviews into spending the past year supporting the position that he’s “really” a pop/dance artist and shouldn’t have been expected to do rock. I need to see a general movement of musicians framing their decisions as “here’s what’s exciting me right now!” rather than “here’s where my heart lies musically forever and ever” or I’m about to get VERY CRANKY at quite a few of them.

    3. This album would have to be pop/rock and targeted at CHR or HAC radio. RCA obviously saw that as too risky, but RCA was saddled with huge advances and not necessarily in the business of creative marketing. Lambert needs a label that has a really good idea for getting a single noticed before relying on radio play.

    4. If Lambert delves into his Bowie and more pop-ish, glam-ish rock-related influence, I could imagine an album I’d personally like [ETA: same if his rock influences are early 1970s art rock] — which has nothing to do with his career prospects but would certainly amuse me.

  • irockhard

    LOL NIN’s current single Came Back Haunted is charting on alt. rock actually so I’m gonna disregard the rest of your comment.

  • Face

    rock roots… LOL

  • Tinawina

    I actually like Adam and liked him as a pop/dance, pop/rock guy, but I have to admit that if it wasn’t for MJs I probably wouldn’t even be thinking about him right now. Heh.

  • elliegrll

    Atlantic has been very supportive, but all of the support in the world wouldn’t help if Bruno didn’t know what he was doing, and if he wasn’t a student of music and culture. Bruno just knows what he’s doing.

  • elena

    may be i am not right, but it seems to me that anything adam would do will be wrong for you. one can’t please everybody.

  • Montavilla

    I feel your pain. I’ve been happy with just about everything Adam’s put out. But I can understand how his apparent lack of consistency towards genre would confuse/annoy/frustrate the people who liked one particular style more than the others.

    I’ve seen despairing posts from fans who feel Adam has betrayed his true style: Musical theatre and/or opera.

    But my first (and forever) musical love was the Beatles, and they never hard ever stuck to a particular style. Even in their first albums they were throwing stuff like “Till There Was You” into the mix.

    So, it’s hard for me to buy the argument that rock has be one thing or another. Or that an artist has be one thing or another. They just have to do their thing. If I like it, cool. If I don’t, then I won’t listen to it.

  • irockhard

    He’s still getting booked for hard rock/metal gigs so his cred is not hurt.

  • lovetheusa1776

    The guy knows how to rile up the troops.

  • Gretta

    Well said, Heremetically Sealed! The rock world of the 60’s was unbelievable diverse…fused with country, Indian ragas, jazz, metal… the point was to experiment! The industry, of course, wanted to sell records and tried to tie their songs to the 3 minute radio format and to what would easily sell! Art vs commerce has been a recurrent theme in the popular music world.

    As for NIN, Trent Reznor put together the sound track for the movie “The Social Network”. It was spectacular! I am a 60’s person and back in the 60’s, a rocker would never have “sold out” to do a movie score. Yet, today, it is a perfectly respectible shift to make within a musical career. Times have changed, perspectives have changed.

  • irockhard

    Didn’t you say you liked his album? I didn’t like LMB either, neither did he. He didn’t choose it for his single and has moved on from it, it’s not his problem if you haven’t.

  • Montavilla

    I was just going to remark on how fun it is when we get into these Adam free-for-alls. Not because of the fighting — one thing I really appreciate about MJ is that she makes us keep a civil tone — but because it’s lively debate.

    And I’m sure MJ likes the hits. :)

  • Madilo

    I love him

  • Montavilla

    I’ll agree that Bruno Mars is doing something right. I’m not all that love with all his songs, but a lot of them are catchy, and his performances are terrific.

  • irockhard

    Er modern rock is just as diverse, it just doesn’t get pop airplay. As far as the modern rock world is concerned radio is so 20th century.

  • Tinawina

    The funny thing is, I’m not mad that he’s trying something new. I sounds like it could be interesting even if I’m caught a little off guard. I’m annoyed that for years I’ve read over and over again how Adam was really really a pop guy, particularly an electro pop guy, and not a rocker and no one should expect rock from him or else they were silly. Suddenly it’s like that never happened and now he’s “really” a rock guy. I have whiplash watching this unfold. I guess I’m more annoyed by the atmosphere around this announcement than by Adam himself if that makes sense.

  • ANNIEBA

    I love when Adam starts talking new music. He is so happy and enthusiastic when his creative juices are flowing. I am thinking about the “colleagues” he mentioned he was writing with in his THR letter and the people that have recently been in orbit are Nile Rodgers, Sam Sparro, and of course Queen. I know Nile Rodgers has invited him to write with him and Chic previously and Sam hinted recently about collaborations with Adam. I honestly don’t think Adam meant R&R literally but just as an influence as much of his music has had. I can’t wait to see what he has in store. Trespassing was amazing and I hope he can keep that level of quality. Adam simply is not an artist that likes to do the same thing over and over and putting himself in a box is just never a consideration, that is just the kind of artist he is.

  • irockhard

    Cause he’s too busy working on his new album.

  • Gretta

    You are entitled to your opinion. :)

  • standtotheright

    Eh, whatever. My reception of Lambert’s material (or pretty much any artist’s material) has never hinged on which genre slot I thought was the best fit, but whether or not the lyrics worked for me or didn’t. (I pay attention to and care about instrumentation, but my brain processes lyrics first and foremost.) I’m not a bigger fan because some of the time they did, but more of the time they didn’t.

    If he writes rock-leaning songs with consistently more engaging lyrics than I’ve heard from him in the past, then I’ll be more inclined to buy his songs. If he writes rock-leaning songs with the same kind of lyrical motifs that he’s already done, then I won’t be. I actually think it’s a tougher row to hoe for rock-leaning songs than unapologetic dance-pop numbers, because there is less room to “hide” lyrics behind the beat.

  • Mel432

    Pre-idol

  • Ronnie D

    I have a feeling Adam is going show everyone what a real rock star is when he hits the iTunes Festival stage. He needs to play his cards right for the next album, especially if he wants to solidify himself as one of the best singers out there.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    This is great news. I enjoyed songs like “Music Again” from the first album, and “Time for Miracles” and several of the rockish songs from that album. It’s not like he can’t go back to dance music if he wants, but I think it’s good he will trying a more rock album- I am not sure what he means by rock and roll- it can cover quite a long period and several styles, but this is great- he’s moving forward instead of standing still

  • ANNIEBA

    A truer statement does not exist, lol.

  • Montavilla

    No. Instead they would sell out by doing the movie itself. Like Hard Day’s Night.

  • irockhard

    I don’t like Hinder and yes I do think they’re a cheap Nickleback knockoff but they’re still more relevant than Queen cause Queen hasn’t released any new music since Freddie died.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Rock is a wider umbrella than some of the modern niche would like to remember, and a lot of the stuff Adam was doing prior to Idol (outside of theater) would indeed count. But then, there will always be those who view only a very narrow definition of something or other, as the “TRUE” definition, be it music genres, games, books or even politics and religion. To each their own.

  • cosem

    I don’t understand what the big deal tbh. For me what Adam says is that he is going with a sound with more guitars and instruments in general and all I can say is: Bring it! I don’t expect him to go full Metallica or sth in that vein, lol. But maybe something closer to his first album with few twists and turns, especially if he keeps some of the ppl he collaborated in the past like Nile or Sam. It’s not like Adam is David Guetta to begin with..

  • standtotheright

    The bigger point in his favor is that he convinced people he knew what he was doing by writing and producing for other artists first. The mix of influences he was able to use for them made the labels more willing to give him creative control.
    But starting out as a producer these days is probably even harder than as a recording artist.

  • waitingforthe1

    what is there to get? No one who wants to be taken seriously in rock would go on Idol.

  • ANNIEBA

    If you look at TSP, Runnin(awesome song), Chokehold, Nirvana, all had a rock influence but very much with an Adam twist. I am certainly game for more of this but I loved the funk inspired tracks so much so I am hoping this is where Nile Rodgers comes in.

  • Tinawina

    I think his statement was a mix of “this is what is exciting me right now” and “this is where my heart is”, so it may just be how he worded it. He may have meant this is what is exciting him right now. I will grant him some wiggle room on that.

    Other than that I’m right there with you, especially on the possibilities of the Bowie influence.

  • justmefornow

    It’s getting a lot of play on Active Rock as well, believe it or not.

  • waitingforthe1

    except Adam sang rock songs on Idol and sang rock songs before Idol.

  • irockhard

    Someone already did.

  • Face

    I think I have a pretty wide view of what could count as rock (as well as most other things you’ve listed)… but it doesn’t include Adam and his music… that’s not a slight on him… just my personal view :)

  • Gretta

    I totally agree! I think it is too! But after reading these posts, it seems some people want to put “labels” on artistic expressions and then, trap the artists’ in those boxes. I just don’t agree with any boxes! But I take your point that those of us old enough to have experiened the birth of rock/roll and watched its many twists and turns need to understand the way it is consumed today… with all this new technology…and gain a perspective.

  • Gretta

    Touche! Haha!

  • Q_3

    Probably he was born that way. ;)

    There are rock tracks on both RCA albums — including one of my favs Running, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoJW3ob0Xt8

    Pre-idol with Citizen Vein http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDzjEpA9Juo (skip the Monte intro and there are performance clips after that.)
    Note: I am not posting this to support or promote the purchase of any releases of recording that Adam does not endorse. And the production on those releases was pretty awful anyway.

    The collaborators he is working with for A3 include rock and pop-rock artists.

    His live concerts for the past few months have had a much stronger rock orientation. It was very noticeable at Pittsburgh Pride, Orlando and Del Mar.

    Nice to have Adam confirm it but most fans already knew he was headed there,

  • Montavilla

    It does. The fault, dear Tinawina is definitely not in you, but in fandom itself.

    We’re always going to have this kneejerk reaction to anything that comes within fifty feet of sounding like criticism. And then, inevitably, someone is going to get overexcited and respond by crying, “What! How dare you think Adam was rock? Just because half the songs he sang on Idol were rock? Did you not see him do ‘Play that Funky Music’?”

    And then we look like idiots two years later because now he’s talking about rock realness.

    What can I say? I’m resigned by now to looking like a fool. I’m even enjoying the feeling. To be honest, I feel slightly giddy even writing this. :)

  • justmefornow

    Hey, is this doesn’t work out, and if he gets another shot at an album, #4 could be Opera? Why not?
    He has the voice for it, no?

  • HermeticallySealed

    And that’s fine. Though I would certainly count Zodiac and the Citizen Vein stuff as rock, myself. Some of his other projects . . . not so much.

  • everything

    Nice to have Adam confirm it but most fans already knew he was headed there

    I don’t ever recall fans talking about this before now.

  • waitingforthe1

    You’re right, it is right now that counts and Queen/Adam are performing at the biggest radio concert of the year.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Yes – was at Pride. I like the rock and happy he’s heading back in that direction.

    One of my fav sets was in Russia two years ago –

    http://youtu.be/fQM8NhyurPo

  • Tinawina

    LMAO!!!! All is forgiven. Just be nice to me when I do it to y’all one day. And I will. LOL

  • Montavilla

    I promise. :)

  • cosem

    I think part of your annoyance might come from the fact that there is a huge portion of Adam’s fandom who where always very vocal about Adam’s status as “pop” singer and they dismissed everything that had the “rock” word in it lol. Yes of course Adam played his part too with his interviews during the 2nd era. I am both a pop and rock listener but my definition of rock is closer to the Bowie/Queen style if we go old-school or the ’90s/2000s British rock style which is more melodic and pop-ish than the grunge influenced Nickelback and co music (which I think is a no-no for Adam), so if he goes in that root I will be one happy mofo :-)

  • Miz

    What rock and roll roots? Does he mean a European touring company of Hair? His roots are musical theatre.

    I’m trying to ignore his self serving comments in regards to Cory Monteith’s tragic passing.

  • Q_3

    Don’t know about here but I posted about his rock orientation in my review of Pittsburgh Pride. And many fans have posted about the A3 collaborators and the rock skew.

  • waitingforthe1

    I’m confused, are you a rock purist or a fad following rockband fan? Relevance is being a iconic band whose songs everyone knows.

    Saying a band like Queen is irrelevant is like saying Elvis or the Rolling Stones are irrelevant. These artists are icons in the music industry. They are legends whose music spans generations. When make music that lasts for 30 years or more you don’t need to have new music out to be relevant.

  • lovetheusa1776

    True

  • irockhard

    I’m sorry what does iHeartRadio have to do with the rock world?

  • HermeticallySealed

    Not really seeing anything self-serving. It was about as neutral a comment one could make and still answer the question asked of him.

  • Q_3

    He was lead singer in a rock band for 2 years before Idol, he performed rock music in the Zodiac Show, he did rock performances on Idol, he did two rock performances on the Idol finale, he did rock songs on the Idol tour, there are rock track on both his official albums, he performs rock songs on tour, he has sung lead for Queen on 7 occasions + Idol…..

    Adam performing rock music: Purple Haze/AYGGMY Del Mar 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDS1MQQUb6s

  • irockhard

    They are irrelevant to the current market.

  • elliegrll

    I agree with that. Atlantic didn’t want to give him a chance until he wrote hit songs for other people.

  • waitingforthe1

    what self serving comments regarding Cory’s passing are you talking about? He said he was sorry he didn’t get to know him because people talk about what an amazing person he was.

  • J3$$!C@

    Oh no, Adam is writing. NOT GOOD. I wish there was someone of sound mindand bold to tell Adam, he is just not very good in the writing skills and to leave that to the professionals. Adam failed as a pop singer, but rock n roll isnt burning up the charts either. Musicals is what Adam is best at. Not this pop/rock singer dress up.

  • Chicagolaw

    Totally agree! I never said he didn’t deserve the support and creative control. I love him (most of the time) Just the point that he was allowed it when other artists were nevr going to be given that control.

  • groovyperson

    Cassadee Pope going back to her country roots and now Adam going back to Rock n Roll roots? Sum Ting Wong here. lol

  • H.A.

    LOL. I called it. Adam doing Rock. Adam can do whatever he wants.

  • ANNIEBA

    Adam has huge variety in his musical itinerary. I guess this is a problem for some but for me it just makes him more interesting. It keeps me guessing what he will pull out of his bag next and I like that. Not for everybody but who is?

  • HermeticallySealed

    I honestly think that his meaning is more to instrumentation rather than electronica, not going full blown Combichrist. Although, I would pay top dollar to hear him cover the Genitorturer’s ‘Letcher Bitch.’ lol

  • jpfan2

    I can imagine Adam doing stuff similar to Queen but I have no idea if radio would play it. Adam is in an odd place because he doesn’t seem established in one genre. I think variety is good but for the music biz having one specific genre is better overall. Anyway I prefer rock Adam to dance music Adam.

  • irockhard

    His roots are musical theatre.

    QFT

  • jpfan2

    I agree about the writing skills. Music is ok but his lyrics are not top notch.

  • babyspock

    I had the exact opposite reaction to the first album when it first came out and I know many Adam’s fan felt the same way. He was supposed to be working with RedOne and he expressed his admiration of Lady Gaga and he often talked about fusing rock and electronica. I was surprised by how much rock was in the album. But i guess Rob Cavallo being one of the producer should had clued me in.

  • ANNIEBA

    Why does everything an artist does have to come down to whether “radio will play it”? I know radio play is very important but if everything you do as a musician has to be molded to the current radio climate well that would make for a pretty desolate musical landscape. And I don’t think is says much about the artist either. An artist has to do what is in his heart and where his creativity is pulling him regardless of the risk of “radio won’t play it”. Taking risks is Rock & Roll and I don’t think Adam shies away from them

  • ThisIsVoodoo

    Yeah, I kinda get that. But every current project is ALWAYS the fav of whoever is promoting it. LOL.

    I think Adam’s in a different head space now, maybe it was touring with Queen. Maybe it was his breakup. Maybe it is the shift of the sound of radio. Maybe TSP was RCA’s doing, but he was never going to call out the likes of Dr Luke, etc when you know he had to be unhappy with the singles choices.

  • ANNIEBA

    Lol, you have been reading the tea leaves lately. Please share what else you are seeing. I believe!!!

  • esther macha

    Always liked Sleepwalker and Sure Fire Winners.

  • irockhard

    I disagree, post-grunge has been the problem. Grunge was awesome, it brought edge back to hard rock when it became too poppy.

  • jpfan2

    I’m not sure how rock radio works but Adam needs to sell albums to more than his hardcore fans to keep a major label interested.He needs new fans and that’s where radio comes in. Or maybe a viral video or ad or movie or something. If he wants the freedom to be creative a small label will be better.

  • AdenEsh

    Rihanna in one of her interviews mentioned she will do a rock album. Seems that’s a direction new music is leaning to right now.

  • irockhard

    In rock most gain new fans via touring and starting by opening for bigger bands. As for rock radio, they are smaller that pop radio and have closer ties to their regular listeners. They target males 18-49 and won’t accept requests from those outside their target demo. In order for one to do well on rock radio they have to have a large tour following in the target demo to push their single up the charts.

  • ThisIsVoodoo

    Britney says she’s going with guitars too. Kesha wanted to, she’s probably mad as well.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Yeah, I don’t think radio is the main support for rock music.

  • jpfan2

    Adam has to be wary of Kat McPhee syndrome. She changes her genre with every album.

  • AdenEsh

    I’m trying to find her interview clip cause I’m her fan as well. It was at one of her 777 tour interview in Europe, they asked her what direction she will take on her next album, she said she will do a rock album.

  • babyspock

    At the end of his first tour, he talked about the next album being more in the vein of WWFM. From his interviews in regard to Trespassing, after working with Pharrell there was a change to what sound he wanted on the album.

  • irockhard

    The pop rockers play instruments too.

  • AdenEsh

    iHeart radio concert is reflection of music industry and this year they have bunch of rock bands and singers. Miley Cyrus performed rock on VH1 Diva.

  • MV007

    Honestly, for me, for adam, I’ll take anything that isn’t the dance/electro stuff. Thats just never been my cup of tea. I look forward to hearing his next album but I’m not sure I completely buy that its going to really be rock n’ roll

  • LongKissGoodnight

    co-sign.

  • Gretta

    What are the “self-serving” comments about Cory?

  • wordnerdarchie

    Adam has the voice to sing classic rock if he wants to go that direction with his sound. He makes plenty of money with his appearances, so let him do what he wants to with his music. It may or may not sell, but that is his choice. Let the man be happy.

  • Maj

    I enjoyed both Adam’s albums, didn’t *love* them but I still listen to both of them quite often. If he goes more rock I’ll be happy as well. Some of my fave artists are people with very varied discography – Bowie is the best example – so if Adam manages to make his body of work half as non-samey I’ll be perfectly happy with that. I just hope he doesn’t go MOR. I hope it’s still gonna be glam and interesting. And not too Queen. Ha! :)

  • lovetheusa1776
  • vamp111

    In the words of Kara, my message is to Adam is “I am confused, I don’t know who you are as an artist.”

  • irockhard

    Anymore, I doubt that if NIN came out today that the “rock world” would listen.

    NIN’s new single Came Back Haunted is getting plenty of airplay on both alt. rock and active rock. The rock world is listening.

  • lovetheusa1776

    It is difficult to comprehend the multitude of his talents.

  • Maj

    well, she did that duet with Iggy Pop and as a fan of Iggy & non-fan of her I thought they did a great job. Kesha would be perfect for punk-ish rock. she already has the attitude down and in punk you don’t have to be able to sing in tune. ;)

  • irockhard

    I don’t know much about Opera but the little I know about it – no. If album #3 doesn’t work out then he’s gonna have to do cover albums.

  • standtotheright

    That may be the case for active stations, but most of the alt stations I’ve heard do accept requests outside the demo. Actually, my otherwise annoying local modern rock station has an all-request hour where 85-90 percent of the requests are from female listeners. Heh.

    I’d also disagree that alt stations need all their artists to have huge tour followings. I can think of several breaking bands that were touring on the 10-city, 400-capacity club level *at best* and still managed to get a successful label push for their singles, which then led to better touring options.

  • AdenEsh

    She was wowed by multi-faceted talents of Adam on Idol.

  • everything

    Difference between runner-up, and winner.

  • ThisIsVoodoo

    Heh, well he nailed the funk/disco/pharrell sound before it hit radio, maybe he’s onto the next wave.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    I am in the same boat. Not Kesha’s fan, but love that duet.

    I also really liked demos for rockish (electro/pop/rock fusion) songs that did not make the album:

    Dancing With The Devil
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BakkyhUq3lg

    Pretty Lady
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIRtps6XBLQ

    IMHO RCA had really dropped the ball first by shackling her to Dr Luke and with 2d single later.

  • ThisIsVoodoo

    I really like Gold Trans Am. She did not like the dance tracks though and said on her MTV show they made her record them and wouldn’t let her release a midtemp or ballad.

    OMG, I said they should have included Pretty Lady too, but they didn’t have the guts. It’s awesome.

  • cosem

    Ke$ha is another proof that sometimes RCA has no frakking clue how to develop their new artists, even if they had proved to be goldmines in the past. Both these songs are miles better than the Dr. Luke produced cr*ap they had chosen IMO.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Master of All, from what I can see.

  • jlynn1205

    Oh for pete’s sake he didn’t say I’m now gonna try to be a rocker and metalhead and hope rock radio embraces me. He said I’m KINDA going to go back to my rock roots which he does indeed have, hello zodiac show and Citizen Vein and not to mention the rock spin he gives almost all of his songs in a live setting. With his voice it’s hard for things to not sound rock. I very much believe he still wants to be a pop star and to get his songs played on pop radio. I’m thinking the pop rock SOUND will be more at the forefront of his next album as opposed to the dance pop sound of his last album even though Trespassing did have pop rock sounds and FYE even more so. Adam has always blended different genres on his albums and in my opinion did so as well as Bruno Mars even if he’s not a musician or as gifted as Bruno at writing, he still is an authentic artist. Saying he’s gonna have a little more rock sound on his album doesn’t make him less so especially since he’s been doing it for years and has incorporated that sound on his last two discs. Also there are many different styles of rock including glam rock which Adam does ridiculously well and that style was ll over FYE and in his pre idol days. I’m hoping for a glam pop rock fusion with a little funk and dance. Please don’t forget the funk, loved it on Trespassing. I hope it’s Bowiesque.

  • calico

    I’m guessing it’s the “the cast and myself ” part which assumes a relationship even though he makes it clear (although maybe not clear enough) that he has not been cast.

  • ANNIEBA

    Well said, heartily agree

  • justmefornow

    Probably, but he’s just as much an Opera singer as he is a Rocker, so I figured, WTH.

  • Maj

    gonna have to check these out. thanks! :)

  • LongKissGoodnight

    I do not subscribe to RCA is the DEVIL school of thought, but it is in my opinion a rather conservative, middle of the road, “do not fix if it ain’t broken” label.

    It hinders their artists development a great deal, IMHO.

  • AdenEsh

    I love it at the end of the interview Ryan says twice “Totally talented kid” “Totally Talented kid”. Yes yes Ryan! We are in love with all facets of this totally talented kid, Adam.

  • ANNIEBA

    Don’t know what happened to my previous on this but it was my feeling that Adam has many roots to draw from, rock, pop, theatre, classical, because he really has done it all. To me this just makes him more interesting and I like guessing what he is going to pull out next. Adam has his priorities, and although I am sure he would love a massive WW hit like everybody else, I really don’t think that is what drives him. Regardless of the price he has to pay, and he may lose everything, he is gonna do what he feels is right and I respect him for that.

  • Mel432

    H.A.: Are you the one who has been predicting stuff about Adam, and so far have been 100% on the money? What other things have you predicted that came to fruition? What else is on the horizon

  • seashellz51

    I think this is really apropos. Adam talks his priorities and what he thinks of sales.
    http://www.pressparty.com/pg/newsdesk/adamlambert/view/78702/.

  • YankeeFan08

    What self serving comments? I guess we didn’t listen to the same interview. Adam was primarily on Ryan’s show to talk about iHeart and the upcoming performance with Queen.

    Ryan asked him about Corey and he answered tactfully and respectfully.

    Really, there’s nothing to ignore.

  • deshae78

    I can’t imagine Adam doing grunge. He just doesn’t have the right attitude. Pop rock or classic rock all the way.

  • Chicagolaw

    This. It’s not like he is going to head off on a rock radio tour.

  • Ronnie D

    “Adam you’re a ROCK GOD!” – Kara

  • Sharon S.

    If that’s it, all I can say is some are making way too much of an effort to find something to slam Adam for.

  • irockhard

    Nah not opera singer, more like Broadway singer.

  • YankeeFan08

    Yes, H.A., do tell. :)

  • Sharon S.

    Honestly, this. A+ comment. I would bet any amount of money that whatever Adam #3 winds up sounding like, it will be an evolution of something he’s already done – a pretty safe bet given the variety of genres that have influenced his music to date.

    One thing that makes me sad is I suspect this next album would probably benefit from the guitar skills of Monte Pittman for live performances. Too bad the man turned out to be a backstabber and total douche, because he was a very skilled guitarist who really brought an effective rock edge to the music and arrangements during the GNT.

  • irockhard

    Oh for pete’s sake he didn’t say I’m now gonna try to be a rocker and metalhead and hope rock radio embraces me.

    Precisely, so no need for anyone to try invent any rock cred for him.

  • Q_3

    Adam has done two multi-genre albums. In some cases the tracks defy genre classification. What genre is Trespassing? funk-pop?

    More examples:

    Shady is disco-funk (should have been a single!! Listen to Daft Punk)
    Cuckoo and Naked Love are electropop
    Running is rock
    NCOE is synthpop/neo-reggae
    Broken English is R&B/pop fusion
    Underneath is a piano ballad

    I have been hoping for a more rock-oriented direction and based on how happy he was performing with the more-rock infused Pitt Pride arrangements, I expected to see that. But I still think A3 will have multi-genre influences.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    It’s tiring & frustrating, to be honest.

    SMH

  • milwlovesadam

    Rawk on Adam!!

    Whole Lotta Love, Sandman, Are You Gonna Go My Way, Chokehold, Sleepwalker, GAAAH! Love it. Cannot get enough of Rawking out Adam.

    What a fantastic interview, nicely managed the Glee questions too.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Or for people to discount being part of a very broad genre description simply because it isn’t part of one of the more extreme niches included.

  • irockhard

    Or for Lambert and his fans to keep changing their stories about what he is with every album release.

  • Ronnie D

    Adam has already shown he can sing rock. Queen agrees, Slash agrees, and the rock music scene in Hollywood before Idol thought so too. To argue otherwise is a bit reductive.

  • irockhard

    Now there’s the first mistake: You’re going on about him singing rock, but rock is not a vocally-centric genre it’s musician-centric.

  • chloe18

    my friends just released a rock song that gets played on our college radio during rock hour, does that mean that their more relevant the Queen lol?

  • HermeticallySealed

    Excepot, that hasn’t really happened. Both of his cd’s, while having pop sensibilities, have included rock elements. His pre Idol stuff (excluding the obvious theater) has had rock elements. His live concerts have rock elements, and even classic rock covers. Not seeing this “changing stories.” certainly not from the majority. ::shrug::

  • irockhard

    College stations? Oh boy.

  • chloe18

    two of today’s most relevant and biggest artists in the world talk about Queen’s influence on them. First Gaga and now Katy is releasing Killer Queen as her new perfume. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see her perform w/ Queen at the concert as well

  • irockhard

    So?

  • HermeticallySealed

    I agree, to a degree, but the importance of voice does factor in to varying degrees in various areas. Though, I think you can say that in almost all genres outside of maybe opera.

  • lovetheusa1776

    The discussion’s about Lambert as a rock vocalist, not rock in general.

  • ThisIsVoodoo

    I vote for Orianthi. :)

  • irockhard

    As a rock vocalist? OK well IMO he lacks grit in his voice for rock. That’s not a problem for pop rock though.

  • Ronnie D

    I don’t even think I am reading that right lol. Rock is MUSIC centric, mostly based on 4 chord blues if you want to be exact. I know my rock n roll history, very well. What would Led Zeppelin be without Robert Plants vocals? Where wound GnR have been without Axl? I could go on. You don’t have to play an instrument to have rock credibility lol.

  • HermeticallySealed

    LoL I wouldn’t count Enter Sandman towards anything, considering that it was a request for Tommy, and he kinda flubbed his way through the lyrics.

  • lovetheusa1776

    What’s grit? A lousy voice – lol.

  • irockhard

    Plant and Rose did more in their respective bands than just sing.

  • chloe18

    not a big rock fan but I’m betting that it will probably mean a rock influenced album like fye more than a straight out rock album, but that could be my wishful thinking b/c that’s what I’d prefer. Anyway I wouldn’t read too much into and we’ll wait to hear new music before I decide if I like the direction or not

  • Ronnie D

    They weren’t solo artists either though, just to be fair.

  • irockhard

    Most of his rock covers have been pop rock covers. I’m a hard rock fan so his voice is too polished for me, I like dirtier tones.

  • irockhard

    Alright then name some solo rock artists who only sing, past or present.

  • irockhard

    Um plenty of hard rock singers both pre-grunge and post-grunge had/have grit. It’s not just metal.

  • HermeticallySealed

    I meant as a prerequisite, not merely having it and being in the genre.

  • dcglam

    Sleepwalker is still my all time favorite from Adam. You know, I love just about everything he sings and creates. However, I have to admit that many of his rock songs are definitely among my list of Adam favorites — American Idol, albums, concerts, with Queen, etc. Hey, it all began with Michael Jackson’s Rock With You! :-)

  • MissMyEm

    I think Springsteen, Axel Rose, Steven Tyler, Jon Bon Jovi and Rod Stewart have grit in their voices, so I think “lousy voice” is probably a matter of interpretation. Personally they are some of my favorites so I definitely see what Irockhard is saying.

  • chloe18

    I’m just pointing out that Freddie died before I was old enough to know who Queen was but their music is still relevant to me and is inspiring current artists of my generation who are still making music. Idk I think it’s amazing for an artists to have that kind of cross generational influence and longevity. Also I’ve heard a lot of Queen songs over the years and once I learned who they were I was like oh that’s a Queen song, oh that one too, and was surprised at how many of their songs I actually knew.

  • HermeticallySealed

    No.

  • Cookiebr7

    I totally agree with you, jlynn 1205. I love Adam but don’t see him as the quintessential rocker aiming for the rock radio, etc. I believe he will have more rock leanings on his album, that’s all. Pop rock sound.. Like you, I believe he still wants to be a pop star and will experiment with different genres. You make a great point about his voice. I will add that I think a voice like his needs excellent material, and I think he needs to continue to pair up with great songwriters and continue to learn from them.

  • Sharon S.

    I frankly don’t give a damn if Adam has “rock cred” or if he’s a “real rocker.” I don’t think that’s at all what he’s talking about, and hammering away at it as if he’s itching to become the next Robert Plant is a total straw man argument.

    IMO, I don’t think Adam “lives and breathes” any particular genre of music; he lives and breathes music. Period. His musical tastes are eclectic, and that’s reflected in the music he makes. Sometimes he leans more toward dance pop, sometimes toward pop rock, sometimes he throws in some funk – but everything has its genesis in music he loves as a listener. If that isn’t genuine enough for some, c’est la vie.

  • Ronnie D

    Janis Joplin (although she did play very basic acoustic guitar, but known for vocals) Jim Morrison, Mick Jagger, Rob Halford, even Tina Turner.

  • Ronnie D

    Just because he doesnt have a dirty tone doesnt mean it isnt rock. Look at Steve Perry…oh, theres another one! lol

  • Eriko

    imo, although Adam has the voice for rock, his looks, apearance and moves are so theatrical, forced and calculated, instead of natural,organic and free as my perception of rock singers are. Maybe his demeanor is fine for glam rock but imo lacks all rawness

  • irockhard

    How about some more current rockers? It’s 2013 not 1983. And I’m still waiting for you to answer my question.

  • Ronnie D

    Its the sound of constipation if or a dog getting his balls stepped on if you ask me. lol

  • Ronnie D

    You said past or present though. lol. To be honest, I haven’t really been into any current rock that much. Ever since that “I like the way you smack my ass” song.

  • irockhard

    Janis played guitar, harmonica and piano. Tina wasn’t exactly rock even though she’s highly influential in rock. And the others fronted bands.

  • Ronnie D

    Layne Staley is a good example of grit IMO. Loved his voice.

  • irockhard

    OK. But I asked you for solo rockers. Steve Perry fronted Journey.

  • Ronnie D

    Janis was only learning piano just before she died. And she did play some acoustic guitar. Her vocals were the main focus though. Her musicianship on instruments and song writing didn’t really fit into her sound. Many bands are defined by the lead vocals. Which is why it’s hard to replace singers in bands that are already established.

  • Ronnie D

    Yeah, I kinda got sidetracked about the importance of vocals in rock. I can’t keep up lol

  • irockhard

    OK but in today’s rock market if vocals is all Adam can offer he’s not gonna get very far, even as a band front man. But it doesn’t matter cause he just wants to do rock sounding pop.

  • MissMyEm

    Oh nm.

  • irockhard

    OK question: If Adam wanted to crack the current rock market do you believe he has a shot? I don’t.

  • milwlovesadam

    For about a nanosecond, then he ruled that song, dominated it, slayed it, killed it and scorched it into my brain.

  • Ronnie D

    Here is another interesting fact which sort of puts things into perspective. Janis’ most popular songs were covers. Piece of My Heart my Erma Franklin (Arethas sister), Summertime, and Me and Bobby McGee (Kris Kristofferson). Her career was about 3 years long, and only 2 solo albums. She is pretty much considered a legend in Rock. So vocals alone can make you into a star.

  • irockhard

    Not in today’s climate, and that goes for both rock and pop.

  • Ronnie D

    Not in todays climate? Janis made in the climate of the 1960’s which was basically a revolt of the 1950’s. It can happen at any time! Sometimes it just takes the right performance or right song.

  • Ronnie D

    I think the biggest obstacle is the fact that it might be hard for the rock audience to take him seriously because he is an openly gay singer, more so than because of his vocal abilities. I mean, I’ve have seen some of his performances on youtube and when he is doing a rock song, and when he is ON, he has killer vocals. I’m really picky with my rock singers, too. lol

  • chloe18

    I think he’s talking about having the instruments a little more front and center in the music. Also a lot of pop music is created using electronic sounds and keyboards instead of actual instruments.

  • irockhard

    This.

  • milwlovesadam

    Have you seen him perform live?

    He’s a natural, sexy, sweaty rock beast.

    *** fans self ***

  • esther macha

    My all time favorite performance of Adam’s is Whole Lot Of Love in Colonge Germany during Glam Nation tour. IMO i thought it was very organic and free. I also am a big fan of Led Zep. I saw them live several times in the late 60.s early 70’s.That is still my favorite type of music.

  • lovetheusa1776

    What’s the rock market? The stations you listen to?

  • irockhard

    He was awesome but practically every post-grunge singer since has tried to copy him.

  • irockhard

    And the tour circuit, and the indie bands who don’t get airplay.

  • girlygirl

    I doubt Adam means he’s going to put out a pure rock album. More likely, there will just be more rock elements introduced in some of the songs. Adam can sing some rock songs really well, but he isn’t really a rock artist — these are two different things.

  • JLE

    I may really regret this but I came back because I got an email about responses and started looking through the thread. This is really to you and RONNIE D. In no way do I think Queen is relevant in today’s music as far as radio, and charts but I do believe they are extremely relevant in music as a whole and are and should be revered.
    My questions: First, do you think that statement about Queen is fair? Second, what genre do you believe Queen to be? Third, what did you think of Freddie and his vocal and performance skill? And, fourth have you seen Adam sing with them?

    I don’t care what your answers are I am just curious

  • chloe18

    if it helps I still want a pop album lol. Honestly though, I think the direction of the music could change a lot before it actually gets released so who knows what the end result will end up being.

  • JLE

    See above comment to irockhard.

  • HermeticallySealed

    :shrug: I guess it’s a “for you, for me” thing. I don’t think he was bad, just don’t feel it was one of his stronger performances.

  • waitingforthe1

    difference between winner and runner up – still making headlines and getting amazing gigs because he’s multi-talented and eagerly sought after.

  • cosem

    It depends on your perception of rock music and your personal preference. There are and always have been a gazillion sub-genres under the rock umbrella that appeal to different ppl. Yes Adam might not fit in some of them but he can in others imo. And if Adam is theatrical what are Remmstein?

  • lovetheusa1776

    Is that the one where the lyrics were on the floor? From what I got, it was just a present for TJ – not a big deal.

  • mmb

    Oh for Pete’s sake. Adam isn’t going to make a hard rock, or metal, or rock radio oriented album. That’s not what he’s saying. He is a pop artist. Every album of his has had pop/rock songs. Some with electronic production, some without. Some have been more rock leaning than others. For a lot of months now ( this isn’t anything new) he’s been saying he’s liking the return to real instruments, the more organic sounds. He makes pop songs- sometimes dance oriented, sometimes funk oriented, sometimes rock oriented. Like many other artists I could mention. Looking forward to hearing what he comes up with

  • waitingforthe1

    Bruce Springsteen is a solo rocker – his voice isn’t what anyone would call “dirty or gritty” IMO

  • HermeticallySealed

    Exactly. It was his Birthday request. Just a bit of fun; nothing more, nothing less.

  • mmb

    Adam has never changed genres. It’s all been pop. Just like Madonna has always been pop even tho some albums have been electronic driven some dance driven, some rock driven, etc ( I’m not comparing Adam to Madonna just explaining how different sounds and influences aren’t different genres

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    Still deleting comments. I have no problem banning long-term posters.

  • irockhard

    1. I think that statement about Queen is fair but it’s so not the point.

    2. Queen is classic rock, specifically classic pop rock. I like Queen, but they’re not my fave classic rock band.

    3. Freddie was awesome but not my fave classic rock singer.

    4. I have no interest in seeing Adam perform with Queen. I asses Adam (and everyone else) by his own music.

  • justmefornow

    LOL. Springsteens’s voice is the epitome of gritty. Also, he fronts the E Street band.

  • waitingforthe1

    Kiss, Freddie, Poison, Motley Crue, etc All rock all theatrical in appearance and moves. All could be seen as forced and calculated if you are looking for reasons to dislike them.

    Adam on stage is completely raw and real. Sure he slips in and out of the moment and goes from being full of sex and fire to smiling sweetly once that moment passes but it’s 100% authentic.

  • milwlovesadam

    One of my faves too. OMG. Rawk on. The wailing. The dancing. The…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjry_8w7t7E&feature=player_detailpage

  • Not fit to print

    Yes, Adam read the lyrics off a piece of paper. One run-thru. Pretty good considering it was impromptu.

  • JLE

    Really, wasn’t trying to make a point. You seem to really like rock music and was curious about your opinion. Sometimes, for me, it is just interesting to get others views.

    I am reversed not much opinion on Adam’s own music but IMO rocked the crap out of the Queen catalog.

    Who is your favorite band/singer?

  • chloe18

    wait so women have no voice? is rock radio run by the gop? just kidding about the gop, but are you saying the people in radio ignore women’s voices b/c that’s really crappy if they do

  • chloe18

    that’s good to hear that they value their female listeners. I got a little thrown off hearing the comment above

  • taylor

    Perry and Plant also had a solo careers. Bowie?

  • Ronnie D

    Unfortunately, I must agree that rock is pretty much still a boys club. My favorite rock singers are all female BTW. The band Heart just got into the Rock n Roll hall of fame this year, and that’s after 35 years in the business.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Well, the Cologne audience really liked it – looked like Adam did, too – lol

  • Not fit to print

    I certainly agree that his first band beautifully served the direction he now intends to go. Monte is killer, Longineau was a demon on drums and Zac (from Korn) was brilliant on keyboards. Tommy was a cut above on bass.

    Adam’s Dad, who used to be a disc jockey, tweeted him to keep that band. Not wanting to be disrespectful to the people he has now, who are very good, too. Brian London is very talented but not rock.

  • Ronnie D

    Isn’t Elvis the KING of Rock N Roll? Talk about dramatic. He use to do kung fu moves on stage towards the end of his career. I won’t even get started on his outfits LOL. Adam has been compared to Elvis as well.

  • irockhard

    These are his obstacles:

    1. His age: it’s a long way to the top if you wanna rock n roll. Does he really wanna start at the bottom of the ladder at the age of 31/32?

    2. His songwriting isn’t very strong.

    3. His performance style: rock is dominated by straight, white males. I don’t think most will be keen to see dudes kissing and groping on stage. Halford is gay but he don’t do that. They won’t care what he does off stage though. And because he can’t play an instrument he’s gonna look out of place in the current rock scene.

  • irockhard

    And they could all play instruments.

  • taylor

    “If Adam wanted to crack the current rock market…”

    I don’t believe that’s his goal, no more than it is Kesha’s or Rihanna’s, who have wanted to veer more into a pop-rock sound.
    It is highly likely that Adam is referring to going back to the sound he had for his first album, which leaned more pop-rock, than dance-pop-funk. It’s most likely not anymore complicated than that. Adam doesn’t want to do some hard rock/metal type album and try to break into the rock world.
    Think more Pink and fun., instead of the rock bands you are thinking about.

  • taylor

    “he’s gonna look out of place in the current rock scene.”
    Which doesn’t matter, because this isn’t what he is wanting to do.

  • irockhard

    I got loads.

    Bands: The Beatles, Guns n Roses, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Muse, The Heavy, Halestorm

    Singers: Robert Plant, Dio, Layne Staley, Miles Kennedy, Lzzy Hale, James Durbin

  • cosem

    Where exactly in Adam’s comments did you read that he intends to release an album addressed to rock radio so that he needs to start “at the bottom of the ladder”? As for his songwriting whatever. Like all the songwriters in the rock world are geniuses (and again i don’t think that that it’s his intention). As for the straight male dudes apparently you like only a specific style of rock so yes in that style pretty much everyone is that way.

  • irockhard

    I know, that’s why it’s puzzling me why his fans are trying to make a case that he’s a rocker. I mean really, pop rock isn’t really rock.

  • irockhard

    He didn’t but his fans are going on and on about “Adam the rocker”. Except that pop rock isn’t rock so he isn’t suddenly gonna become a rocker.

  • Karen C

    Mat Bellamy from Muse? I think that would be the closest voice to Adams, and maybe the type of rock he would be doing. He is a fan of theirs, and did Starlight on the Idol tour.

  • Gretta

    You are entitled to your opinion… and that is what it is: AN OPINION. Others are entitled to theirs. Rock is (or used to be) a really wide, diverse genre. It now appears to come with rules that are very specific. Kinda sad to me.

  • cosem

    Pop-rock is a sub-genre of rock, like punk-rock, prog-rock, dance-rock etc, etc. But what everyone defines as rock is a completely different conversation. I bet you wouldn’t listen to some of the rock bands I love even with a gun in your head and vise-versa.

  • Karen C

    I’m glad Adam is going to do more rock, or pop rock. His rock covers and songs that were pop rock have been my favorite of his. I thought some of the dance pop he did didn’t show his voice as much as when he does rock or pop rock.

  • irockhard

    Nah Patrick Stump would be the closest vocally.

  • taylor

    “Except that pop rock isn’t rock”

    This is your individual definition of Rock, not Adam’s and not everyone else’s definition of what type of music is included in Rock. To many music listeners, Pop Rock is included in their definition.

  • taylor

    It is to many music listeners. That’s what people are trying to tell you.

  • irockhard

    Do you consider Kelly Clarkson or P!nk rock? I don’t.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Yeah, you don’t think it’s real rock, which nothing necessarily wrong with that, but not everyone believes that only hard rock constitutes real rock. Many people actually have a bit broader definition. To be honest, I don’t see anyone claiming he is, or is aiming to be the next Chad Gray, nor does someone have to be in order to be rock.

  • Gretta

    Yep, Taylor.

    QFT

  • irockhard

    Actually I don’t consider only hard rock real rock, Muse is alt. rock and I consider them real rock. But Adam, Rihanna or Ke$ha adding some electric guitar to their music doesn’t suddenly make them rock.

  • HermeticallySealed

    And yet, that really doesn’t define anything Adam has done. His music in BOTH albums, and his live performances are more in line with pop rock, not dance with guitar added as an afterthought.

  • JLE

    Thanks! Peal Jam live is unbelievable. Still have Eddie Vedder’s guitar pick. Saw Radiohead for the first time in 2012 – really good show.

  • waitingforthe1

    LOL the E Street Band are backing musicians. Bruce is a solo artist which is why his albums are released as “Bruce Springsteen” not “Bruce Springsteen and the E-Street band” – saying he fronts a band is like saying Kris Allen fronts a band because people call them “the kris allen band” he doesn’t. He’s a solo artist just like Bruce Springsteen is a solo artist.

    Personally I don’t find Bruce’s voice to be particularly gritty but then when I think grit I think gravel and rasp like Joe Cocker not just deep like Bruce’s voice is.

  • cosem

    They are pop-rock (some of their songs). As I said sub-genre. Out of curiosity do you consider MCR or FOB rock?

  • irockhard

    MCR if I have to push it, FOB I can’t.

  • Bugme Nomor

    You say he fronted the band. It’s more accurate to say they backed him. That’s true of many famous bands with iconic singers.

  • waitingforthe1

    Pop/Rock is pretty much what all current rock musicians who get on the radio are making. Alternative rock is just a heavier version of pop/rock.

    The days of ‘authentic’ rockers are long gone. There are niche genres within the rock community like death metal and the like but mainstream rock, the kind that gets played on radio is pretty much just heavier guitars and drums over songs that could easily fit onto pop radio.

    I don’t think you’d win an argument that Fall Out Boy aren’t rock but they are pop/rock. Same with Three Days Grace, Blue October, Staind, Skillet, and various other rock artists whose sensibilities allow them to straddle the line between pop and rock.

    There are some heavier rock acts who don’t bleed over into pop like Static X, Korn, Rammstein, fear factory, etc but they aren’t getting much commercial radio play and have more cult like followings by rock purists. I doubt any of them are fans of any of the “rockers” from Idol that’s for sure.

  • Gretta

    Yes. And in my opinion, Kesha and her rebel inspired theme songs and attitude, personal style and ability to speak to her audience may actually be a “true rocker” for the new era. And she would have fit in during the real rocker era… with the Fugs, and Janis, to name a few. She is authentic and real. Oh and she plays many instruments and writes her tunes!

  • Q_3

    What is a pure rock album? And what makes an artist a rock artists? I do not have the knowledge or wisdom to answer either questions. But I have spent my life listening to rock music and attending rock concerts. I know rock when I hear it, and Adam performs and has recorded rock music,

    Adam has performed and recorded music with the main characteristics of rock music:

    1. electric guitars as the central accompaniment
    2. a rock band – lead guitar, bass, keys, and drum kit with cymbals
    3, many of his songs have the 4/4 meter with a repetitive snare drum back beat on beats two and four that is common in rock music.
    4. the songs he writes use the verse-chorus structure derived from blues and folk music.

    From wikipedia’s great page on Rock Music. “Because of its complex history and tendency to borrow from other musical
    and cultural forms, it has been argued that ‘it is impossible to bind
    rock music to a rigidly delineated musical definition.’

    My initial thought is that there is no “pure rock music” but if there is any, it is the music from the Mississippi delta artists recording in the late 1940’s and early 1950’s.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Not to mention Soaked was penned by Bellamy, Music Again by Justin Hawkins, Pick You Up by Rivers Cuomo, etc.

  • Q_3

    I think you are correct, Adam just is.

  • Ronnie D

    I seriously can’t believe you put Durbin in the same category as Plant, Dio and Staley. SMH

  • waitingforthe1

    1. Jared Leto from 30 Seconds to Mars is 41 – the band has release 4 albums starting in 2002 when Jared was roughly 30 years old. Age only counts when you’re attempting to appeal to tweens/teens. Rock fans don’t care how old you are if you can deliver the goods.

    2. Opinions are unique and wonderful things. Good thing is Adam has a lot of very talented friends who are good/great song writers.

    3. Adam hasn’t kissed a guy on stage since 2010.

    As for the instrument thing, this is always an argument that confounds me. Why does playing an instrument equate to some greatness not otherwise achieved? If the person has a mediocre voice who cares if they can strum a guitar? That’s why you get amazing musicians to stand behind you and play for you.

  • justmefornow

    Speaking of his albums, I personally own this 4 CD one. Great collection of the early years.
    And oh look, he put his “backing band” on the cover, lol

  • justmefornow

    What, no comment about Lzzy Hale? lol.
    She’s great as well, btw.

  • Q_3

    Yes, it was performed without a real rehearsal with the lyrics on the floor to celebrate Tommy’s birthday. It was not Adam’s best performance not the worst by any means.

    But there are so many great rock performances. For example, he just performed Cream’s “Sunshine of Your Love” in the Del Mar sound check — and it was great. There are videos of the sound check.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Or Rob Zombie, or GWAR, or Alice Cooper. Rock has a long history of theatrics, in just about every sub genre.

  • marmom07

    It seems to me his non-fans are way more committed to making the case that Adam isn’t anything. So it’s really puzzling to me why people want to spend so much time and effort tearing him down and trying to prove something that isn’t really what his fans are saying in the first place.

    We haven’t even heard the new music. By the time Adam actually puts something out his creative muse may have blended something else together. I don’t care what genre you call his music. He’s stated he doesn’t like to put music into boxes. Listen to it. Do you like it or not.

  • suenigma

    I love rock, but Time f

  • marmom07

    THIS!! I’m trying to figure out what to say and actually you’ve already said it.

  • No Thanks

    Nothing like Adam Lambert to incite a vigorous debate! LOL!

    Here’s my 2 cents. I’m 1000% sure that Adam’s definition of rock is probably a hell of a lot broader than what your average “purist” believes it is. Hell, I’m pretty sure if you polled a dozen random “rock purists” on what defines “rock”, they would probably all say something different as well.

    Adam has said in the past that he views “rock” as more of a state of mind, attitude and spirit rather than something genre specific.

    I have no idea what Adam will come up with. All I know is if I like it, I’ll buy it. I’m not one to turn my nose up at music because it doesn’t fit some very narrow (and most likely PERSONAL) definition of a musical genre.

    We only have clues. Adam has mentioned his time with Queen has really inspired him lately. I know he has tweeted twice about enjoying Fall Out Boy’s new album. He’s been into Imagine Dragons lately. So make of that what you will.

  • Larc

    I think Adam has a greater similarity to rock singers with his theatrics, including costuming, than with any other single thing.

  • Gretta

    Some musicians bond as a group, some bands fall apart and re-group or form new ones with others. As musicians (vocalists and instrumentalists) they are looking for a gig that allows them to express themselves.

    There really isn’t a set rule about how rock music is best made. There have been successful solo artists with backing bands, duos and groups. In truth, certain musical acts found success and lots of copycats sprung up. They are all just chasing success and expressing their art.

    “It’s really not that deep.”

  • HopeForMusic

    I personally don’t think that rock music is something that can be defined by Wikipedia. Everyone has their own feelings about rock music, but I don’t think that “pop rock” is really it. It’s not something that can be “played at”, or just taken up on a whim. It’s something with some grit, something different about the musicians, and in a sensethey do indeed live it. Nothing that Adam has done, with the exception of a few covers, is rock, IMHO.

  • Susanne

    Wow! Can you provide a link to the sound check? I’d like to hear that.

  • Gretta

    “it is impossible to bind rock music to a rigidly delineated musical definition.” Totally agree. And when it is “defined rigidly”, it kills the freedon and rock/roll!!!!

  • AdenEsh

    ET mentioned Adam: http://goo.gl/XVfxJ

  • Larc

    At least Adam is an original who won’t try to mimic some perceived formula of what a rock singer should be. Too bad that can’t be said of all Idols.

  • marmom07

    I like an artist who is willing to explore sounds and music. Artists who don’t put out the exact same music with each new album. I like artists who put a variety of songs/sounds on one album but yet the songs work together as a group. I believe that that was one of the positive comments that Adam got about Trespassing. The music on the album takes you on a journey with beginning and end. David Cook did that with his TLM. I especially enjoyed the rich tapestry of sounds and melody in quieter parts of each song on DC album. What I didn’t care for (at least initially) is how every song went “loud” and then everything, every instrument is just loud. I like the musical complexity of older, classic rock or current music that does that (which isn’t often enough). Much of today’s music IMO has been dumbed down for commercial radio and I think pop music has really suffered because of formulaic approaches and this idea of “hook” that now has to be repeated endlessly.

    I think that Adam’s intent will be to be inspired by certain music, sounds, rhythms and work to create something fresh out of that. Maybe he succeeds and maybe he doesn’t but I’m thankful that he has the balls try. I think he did create something fresh on Trespassing and I think RCA couldn’t see it and forced couple of songs on his album at the last minute (remember the delays) which they released as singles and didn’t fit the rest of the album very well.

    Sometimes I think Adam suffers from being too articulate (this is the only time I will say this) because people start taking him literally or taking some comments out of context and misconstruing what he’s saying. I think he learned that with his last album… each interview wanting to describe what he was doing but then his creative process lead him somewhere else and he got criticized for not making “that album”. Initially with this album I think he intended to stay mum and see where he ended up but I think with the label thing he has to talk about making new music while he does these other projects.

    I liked how he spoke up about his writing. Ryan was done with the interview and making his exit comments when Adam brought up writing and then Ryan asked him about it.

    Over and over I’ve heard Adam say how he likes to change things up. He doesn’t like to do the same thing. That said he isn’t going to do an album of Gregorian Chants. Remember on idol how he made a disco song by Cher into a ballad and lets not forget his country song… Ring of Fire. We will get all sides of Adam.

  • lovetheusa1776

    As I remember, a Korn keyboardist (Zac?) played with Adam a few times.

  • marmom07

    I get that you and others feel that way but I honestly don’t understand that view. I’m not saying you are wrong. Everyone gets to have any opinion. I just don’t understand why some types of music and especially “rock” can only be done by someone who lives their life a certain way. And growing up in the 60-70’s I don’t recall people having this mind set about rock or music. Maybe I just wasn’t aware of it.

    I either like the music/voice or I don’t.

  • marmom07

    “It’s really not that deep.”

    OMG I love you. It isn’t. It really isn’t. take it or leave it. Like it or don’t. It’s just music.

  • marmom07

    Rock is (or used to be) a really wide, diverse genre. It now appears to come with rules that are very specific. Kinda sad to me.

    Again, This! exactly. What I heard on my top 40 station in the 70’s was a wide variety of music/sounds compared to today. I”m thinking everything from Mick Jagger, Bowie, Jim Croce, Moody Blues, Queen, Eagles, The Cars, The Doors and on and on. Rock then was a lot of different sounds/styles.

  • jlynn1205

    I actually get what many of the rock purists on here are saying. I love rock music and imo Adam is a pop artist with rock influences not necessarily a rocker even though I think his mentality and balls of steel in certain situations lends itself to that lifestyle. However I don’t get why people are taking a few rushed words at the end of an interview to assume that Adam is a complete phony who keeps flip flopping from genre to genre to see which one will stick just because he mentions this album will have more of a rock sound. I mean his biggest hit WWFM is pop rock. Every one of his albums and his pre idol work has involved pop rock and I think he is talking about more of that here. As a fan I’m not so delusional that I think Adam could truly make it in the rock world and I don’t get how from these few words people think that’s what he’s saying. Having said that I would love to hear Adam singing songs like Time is Running Out, Supermassive Black Hole, or Madness by Muse. Muse has a large pop element to their music and it’s very melodic. They’ve actually been compared to Queen a lot. You could not get away with singing their songs without a damn skilled voice. Matt Bellamy’s voice is a thing of beauty and the farthest thing from gritty.

  • jlynn1205

    I somehow liked my own comment. Didn’t mean to do that!

  • Gretta

    “If it sounds good, it’s good.” I don’t recall me or any of my friends in the 60’s arguing about what was real music or real rock either. We went to concerts all the time: from the Grateful Dead, Richie Havens, Cat Stevens, Janis, Zeppelin, the Doors, to Joni Mitchell, James Taylor, and John Mayall, and Willie Nelson, to name a few. We liked it all! I mean, I remember not being fond of the “Moody Blues”. But I didn’t go around telling others who did like them that they were not “legitimate” rockers. It’s all personal opinion! I am not a critic, a judge or an audiophile, but it sure feels like everyone today thinks they are!

    “It’s music! It isn’t that deep!”

  • jlynn1205

    Ahhh Trespassing, what could have been. Adam was so far ahead of the curve on that album. The missed opportunities. Trespassing is riddled with sounds that are all over pop radio right now (especially on the ones Adam co-wrote) and it was released a year ago.

  • Cookiebr7

    “However I don’t get why people are taking a few rushed words at the end of an interview to assume that Adam is a complete phony who keeps flip flopping from genre to genre to see which one will stick just because he mentions this album will have more of a rock sound.”
    Well Said!

  • jlynn1205

    I don’t think he’s playing at anything though. I think he is talking about pop rock in this interview. He’s a pop artist and my guess his aspirations are still to be on pop radio.

  • marmom07

    My daughter out of the blue the other day said exactly the same thing. The music on Trespassing is what is on radio now. and she’s not a big Adam fan. It was just an observation she made. She stopped listening to radio for a while because she didn’t like what they were playing and recently she’s been listening again liked what they are playing. Then hearing Adam;s album again realized that.

  • jlynn1205

    I love theatrics in rock. Rammstein was one of the most theatrical shows I’ve ever been to. It was awesome.

  • HopeForMusic

    Don’t get me wrong…I am not saying that the genre “label” is an important one if you like a certain artist/band. Just some things that Adam does prevents me from seeing him as a rock musician. Choreographed dancing, for example. I can’t think of any of the rock groups that I enjoy doing choreographed dancing. That’s just an example. Yeah, I like at least some of many, many genres, but I can’t define what it is that I connect with. As you said, I either like it/them or I don’t. Even the radio stations don’t seem to know how to define the genres, and I-tunes are hopeless at it. lol Perhaps Adam should have just morphed into what he is hoping to become, rather than announcing it. That way, there are no expectations, and debates about what rock music is, just a pleasant surprise for the fans who’ve been wanting to see him move in this direction.

  • Lindsayjean139

    I love the idea of more of a rock influence. A pop rock like Pink does. Adam’s voice lends itself to rock and he sings on pitch unlike some others who struggle to do so. It is not only a good fit for his voice but for his performance abilities. Thankfully he won’t do that painful to listen to heavy metal crap. He says he hates the kind of music. I agree it’s more for people who can’t really sing in pitch and need to disguise that fact. I loved the Glamnation tour where he put a rockish spin to everything.

  • Montavilla

    Maybe he could be a rocker if, like Davy Jones, he picks up a pair of maracas.

  • marmom07

    Perhaps Adam should have just morphed into what he is hoping to become, rather than announcing it.

    see I don’t see him as “morphing” into anything. He’s still on the same path he’s always been. Taking a variety of musical influences, collaborating with a variety of people and making music.

  • Lindsayjean139

    In the Idol bubble people will find fault with anyone who isn’t their favored one. I just don’t pay attention.

  • jlynn1205

    I think it’s nearly impossible to have real rock cred coming off a reality television show as unfair as that is.

  • jlynn1205

    I love Muse, and I actually think that’s a style of rock Adam would sound amazing singing. I think Muse can be a little pop. My fav rock bands Rammstein and NIN.

  • jlynn1205

    Agreed. So how come took these few statements to somehow mean he isn’t authentic or is trying to be something he’s not is beyond me. Pop rock never went away for him.

  • jlynn1205

    Matt Bellamy too. He has a gorgeous voice and most people consider Muse rock, even though I think Muse does lean a little toward pop.

  • Cookiebr7

    ” All could be seen as forced and calculated if you are looking for reasons to dislike them. ”
    Totally!

  • jlynn1205

    I agree. Said the same thing before reading your comment!

  • jlynn1205

    Muse is played on pop radio though. Madness is pretty darn pop-ish.

  • supersonic

    I know he has tweeted twice about enjoying Fall Out Boy’s new album. He’s been into Imagine Dragons lately. So make of that what you will.

    Fall Out Boy is not rock, though. And I haven’t heard much Imagine Dragons, but from what I’ve heard, they’re not rock, either.

  • jlynn1205

    I think the music he writes is pretty good. You can hear similar sounds to what’s on the Trespassing cd all over radio now and it was released way before. RCA has no balls.

  • jlynn1205

    I doubt Adam is talking about abandoning pop and moving on to rock n roll. I’m sure he’s talking about pop rock which he’s always done and I bet he still aims to be a pop artist.

  • HKfan

    loved that set in Russia, one of my favourites too, plus he looked amazing…

  • jlynn1205

    I love Bruno and he is extremely talented, but I don’t think Adam is jumping from one genre to the next to see what sells. He’s a pop artist first and I’m pretty sure he’s talking about pop rock here which has been evident in all of his prior works.

  • jlynn1205

    Adam is very believable as a pop rock artist, that’s been his greatest success with WWFM.

  • Karen C

    They are both considered alternative rock.

  • Karen C

    That really shows that with better promotion by the label, Trespassing could have done better, because it was ahead of the curve.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    Exactly, the first album had rock songs on it- and I loved it. It’s hard to define rock- i guess it’s the Rolling Stones, the Beatles were more Pop- but that bluesy rock period didn’t really last that long. Even the Stones were going more dance beat with “Miss You.”

  • AdenEsh

    I love your avi and your comment

  • Axxxel

    aaaaaaaahhhhh – thud- fainted because of being overwhelmed by happy feelings..

  • jasmine999

    You can’t be a “rock purist,” as there is no such thing as “pure rock.” Adam’s always had some rock influence in his music anyway; his first era was glamrock. Pop and rock are not mutually exclusive. For me, pop is whatever gets played on chr, not a specific genre. The “in” pop genre changes–it was dance until recently, now it seems more organic, more Mumford.

    Discussing the music is fun, but honestly, without a label to market and distribute it, it’s all academic.

  • jpfan2

    It might have been Ahead of the curve but the songs weren’t strong enough. If Adam writes songs for his new album he’ll have the same problem. Just because somebody wants to write songs doesn’t mean they should. I know there are fans who’ll buy Adam doing polka music but the general public won’t. There’s a reason his biggest hit was written by Pink and not just because she’s a star. She also a great writer.

  • Matty Minkus

    How do we know? RCA never released those songs as singles. Instead, they released the most generic songs on the album. The album got great reviews for its songs, too bad RCA wasnt willing to take a chance.

  • Matty Minkus

    Exactly. Just going on Idol would probably disqualify them to some rock purists. I mean, hell, even Durbin says he’s going for HAC, so maybe he realizes that too.

  • roaringpen

    He really is a showman. I think he should open it up like this with Queen. I know he isn’t Freddie, but he does a lot of over the top showboating in this video – lots of fun.

  • jpfan2

    I thought Trespassing was released to radio as single 3. If fans think Adam is a great songwriter sounds like he’s ready with new stuff.

  • Karen C

    Because WWFM was released as a single and promoted heavily and others weren’t? I agree it’s a good song, but Adam wasn’t as involved in cowriting songs on the first album as he was on the second.

    And if it was just because someone else wrote it, why wasn’t Never Close Our Eyes a major hit? It was written by Bruno Mars.

    The songs written by Adam weren’t released so we don’t know if they would have been hits. And some were cowritten with Pharrel Williams, who has a major hit right now.

    Again, RCA played it safe and didn’t release songs that were representive of the artist and the rest of the album.

  • Jablea

    Since lots of discussion about “rock” and how Adam is following Imagine Dragons, here is a Billboard article which calls Imagine Dragons “rock”. They are getting played all over my radio station. But again we don’t know if Adam’s definition of rock & roll is the same, he might even be referring to attitude although he did say instruments, which this article talks about a bit too. http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1572960/imagine-dragons-the-billboard-cover-story

  • Karen C

    I agree, and another rock artist that I think Adam compares with is David Bowie. More in image, and type of music. He did do some dance pop also at times.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    And uses the same instrument since;)

  • Kariann Hart

    You’ve summed up my opinion quite nicely. I like the direction Adam is going.

  • Kariann Hart

    I loved the drama and theatrics of QUEEN which is why I am delighted he’ll be working with them again. To me, Adam can be whatever he says he wants to be.

  • LongKissGoodnight

    Pop-rock is a sub-genre of POP and by extend is played on pop radio (Pink, Kelly Clarkson, Katty Perry’s first era)…

  • Q_3

    Rock music: “Rocket 88″ by Jackie Brenston and his Delta Cats (1948), Bill Haley’s “Rock Around the Clock” (1955), Elvis “That’s All Right (Mama)” (1954). Buddy Holly, Little Richard, Chuck Berry….

    Rock faded in the US in the late 1950’s and was revived in the UK which lead to the British invasion in 1962-1963.

    The Beatles and the Stones did many genres of music including covers of American rock songs. But Miss You is blues/disco, not rock.

    Many great rock songs are actual fusion — “Stairway To Heaven” is often cited as the greatest rock song ever but it is psychedelic folk rock.

    After a lot of fusion and innovation, 80’s New Wave music brought back rock. That is happening again. The Roots Rock movement that is centered in the Southeastern US (TN) is reviving rock in a more elemental form.

  • Q_3

    He is touring with a rock band and rock arrangements. But he is still genre hoping, even doing a bit of reggae. I think Adam’s genre is MUSIC. :) With the notable exception of BTIKM, I like every track on both album and the bonus tracks are some of my favorites.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Well, he just fronted a rock band years before idol.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTZzGLwerqw

  • Q_3

    Both are alt rock. Imagine Dragons are currently #4 on the Hot 100, peaked at #3.

  • springboard2

    Mainstream rock like Imagine Dragons is very pop leaning, and usually makes rock purists cringe when described as rock. Also many rock band turn more pop in order to expand their audience, making their old fan base scream.
    Alt rock is making dents in mainstream, but it is very much pop melodic rock. Fun.’s music is described as rock.

    This music has nothing to do with being ‘a rocker’ and having ‘rock cred’.

    Adam can make music classified as ‘rock’ without being a rocker as defined by rock lovers.

    What he needs to do is release good music with good singles that fits with current trends while having its own indentity. Now this is easier said than done.

  • springboard2

    It’s not coincidence that the most successful alums are the ones whose musical identities are clearly with the exception of Carrie.

    Kelly has been releasing all sorts of POP variations, also widely imposed by the label, Daughtry was harder rock before Idol but was successful with soft rocks afterwards, Fantasia is successful since her music is hip-hop flavored, which it wasn’t on Idol, and Kris’ post Idol music was very close to what he did on the show but didn’t go very far.

    As far as Adam is concerned, since his pop-rock album FYE was the most successful, this is what the general public knows him for. In a way, it was Trespassing that was a departure from Idol and FYE.
    And I agree with those who mentioned that live, he is very much rock leaning: melodic rock, obviously not hard rock or metal.

  • irockhard

    Imagine Dragon’s home format is Alt. Rock not CHR.

  • irockhard

    An irrelevant rock band. And genre hopping is not gonna get anyone anywhere.

  • irockhard

    This music has nothing to do with being ‘a rocker’ and having ‘rock cred’.

    Thank you!

  • irockhard

    LOL. Double standards much?

  • irockhard

    It was.

  • irockhard

    He is a pop artist.

    Exactly so all these arguments about him being a rocker are futile.

  • irockhard

    What is a pure rock album? And what makes an artist a rock artists?

    To make things simple it’s about which audience you’re appealing to. Are you trying to target those who listen to rock and little else? Then I’d call you a rock artist. If you’re trying to target CHR however then for me you’re a pop artist.

  • irockhard

    You mean rock singers from the classic era.

  • irockhard

    Elvis is dead, it’s 2013.

  • irockhard

    Rammstein are heavy metal, metal has always been more theatrical than rock.

  • irockhard

    Heavy metal is very different to pop rock.

  • irockhard

    JLE asked me who are favourite rock singers. James is easily one of my fave modern rock singers. If you read the comments properly you won’t need to be SYH.

  • irockhard

    Dude it’s 2013.

  • Sharon S.

    Adam has been doing different shades of pop on his albums, and I’m assuming the same will be true of CD #3. At the moment, it appears the pop will be more rock-influenced than most of the material on his last album. It’s certainly a better assumption than that he is planning a rock album, designed to appeal to rock audiences and rock radio. This endless attempt to imply otherwise and delineate all the many reasons he doesn’t have ~rock cred is absolutely nonsensical.

  • irockhard

    You must only be familiar with Muse’s more radio friendly material then. Bellamy has great range and power but his phrasing gets on my nerves sometimes.

  • irockhard

    And Bellamy plays guitar and piano.

  • irockhard

    Who are we talking about here?

  • irockhard

    Same with Three Days Grace, Blue October, Staind, Skillet, and various other rock artists whose sensibilities allow them to straddle the line between pop and rock.

    LOL what? Those bands home format is Active Rock not CHR.

    There are some heavier rock acts who don’t bleed over into pop like Static X, Korn, Rammstein, fear factory, etc but they aren’t getting much commercial radio play and have more cult like followings by rock purists.

    The bands in the first paragraph don’t bleed over into pop either.

  • YankeeFan08

    He’s not genre hopping. As others have said, most likely some of his songs will have more of a rock edge like the way many of his live performances do. Adam didn’t say he was putting out a hard rock or metal album. I’m not sure why so many have interpreted it that way.

  • irockhard

    Going on Idol didn’t disqualify James otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten the opportunities he got during his first era. And he still gets booked for hard rock/metal gigs. An HAC single (label’s choice not his) didn’t prevent him from getting these gigs last era either.

  • irockhard

    So just because Madness is “pretty darn pop-ish” that means all their music is too?

  • irockhard

    I’m not gonna dignify this comment with a reply.

  • irockhard

    Correction: it is to many POP music listeners.

  • irockhard

    I really hate to break it you boomers but radio and current artists are not trying to target you so your opinion doesn’t matter to them.

  • irockhard

    Different shades of pop, yes this I agree, so then he’s not genre hopping his fans are just claiming that.

  • irockhard

    I never said that he’s genre hopping, it’s his fans who are making that claim. I simply said genre hopping is a bad idea for artists who haven’t established themselves anywhere, and that goes for all unestablished artists.

  • irockhard

    I have a feeling that the majority of the posters here have no idea who she is. We’re clearly not conversing with those that listen to modern rock that pop radio doesn’t play.

  • Sharon S.

    Not “his fans” in general. And the endless attempts to prove he isn’t a rock artist and has no rock cred are still senseless and a complete waste of time, because neither he nor the vast majority of his fans (at least that I’m seeing in this thread) are claiming anything of the sort.

  • YankeeFan08

    Actually, it’s NOT his fans who are saying he’s genre hopping. And you did say above “genre hopping is not gonna get anyone anywhere.”

  • irockhard

    30STM is an emo band who’s music appeals largely to tweens/teens. It helped that Leto was first an actor who played in a lot of teen/tween movies and tv shows.

    The instrument thing: Look I can’t think of a single solo rocker (even a pop rocker) in 2013 that doesn’t play even one instrument, that’s just how it is today.

  • irockhard

    TRUTH!

  • irockhard

    I said that because it’s true. It won’t get anyone anywhere.

  • jujubee22

    I haven’t seen any of his fans claiming that Adam is genre hopping and intends to make a metal/hard rock/rock/alt rock album, or try to move into the rock market. He has no intention of moving in to Durbin’s market. Pretty much everyone is saying he simply means doing more pop rock with less electronic production..

  • marmom07

    but the songs weren’t strong enough

    I disagree

  • jujubee22

    The most widely read music publications – Billboard and Rolling Stone — thought the songs were very strong, and singled out the songs co-written by Adam. The weakest songs were the singles he didn’t write (altho i personally still really like NCOE). One of the associate editors of Billboard tweeted just the other day “just a reminder that Adam Lambert’s Trespassing is an excellent album”. The mere fact that a song wasn’t a single or didn’t become a hit doesn’t mean its a poorly written or weak song. There were a lot of reasons Trespassing didn’t have great sales, but the overall strength of the songwriting and songs wasn’t one of them IMO.

  • marmom07

    I agree. The way Cuckoo sold on iTunes after he sang it on PLL tells me it that song had been heard it would have done well. It’s a fun, catchy song.

  • irockhard

    You must’ve missed the earlier comments about Adam being schizophrenic with his music. And throughout the years the fans have made reference to “Rock Adam” and “Pop Adam”.

  • jujubee22

    i saw those comments

  • Ronnie D

    I refuse to believe that! lol

  • irockhard

    Why does that not surprise me, LOL.

  • twinkies-are-back

    Well said….

  • irockhard

    Rock stations cater to men not women, pop and HAC caters to women.

  • irockhard

    Companies like Miller who advertise on rock stations are trying to reach men not women.

  • Ronnie D

    What surprises me more is that this thread is STILL going on. lol. Did anyone go to bed last night?

    The proof will be in the pudding, as they say, when Adam puts out his rock album. I have a feeling he is going to kill it at the iTunes fest and show everyone just what kind of artist he is. Which is a versatile one.

  • justmefornow

    Lol. No kidding.

    I actually finally bought Halestorm’s latest CD, (the delux with the guest version of Here’s To Us and bonus tracks, very nice) just last week. What a kick ass album. But I was shocked to see Howard Benson produced it, lol. Who would have thought he could produce hard rock so well?

  • irockhard

    LOL good one.

  • jlynn1205

    Nope, been a huge fan of Muse for years and I’m familiar with all their music which is why I said a LITTLE pop referring to their radio friendly hits that have been played on pop radio and I think Adam could go that directions successfully.

  • marmom07

    but the songs weren’t strong enough

    If fans think Adam is a great songwriter….

    There is a vast difference IMO between disagreeing with the first statement and stating the second. I don’t hear Adam fans saying the second but I do believe that he has co-written songs that are solid songs that would have charted if released. But we will never know. Plenty of quality songs never get released or chart. So the fact that his songs didn’t get released doesn’t mean they were not well written. Again saying “well written” is not the same as saying “great”. I would reserve the term “great” to a few, time tested writers.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Of course they ignore women. Just check the stations’ websites, or listen to the DJs. It’s all about men and what they want or need, and of course…. women’s boob contests. They’re so shallow. ;)

  • jlynn1205

    Hmm, not what I said at all. They have pop rock radio friendly songs in their catalogue and Madness is one of them. They mix up the alt-rock with the pop-rock to be commercially successfull.

  • Not fit to print

    Really?

  • irockhard

    LOL you’re being sarcastic right?

  • Not fit to print

    All this talk about rock genres and street cred is making me dizzy.

    My brother is a rock fan and relentlessly outlaw about it. We have talked about Adam and it’s not a pretty conversation. In the end, most of our discussion is not about music or whether Adam can sing or whether he has sung or co-written rock songs. It is about credibility, specifically Rock cred.

    Rock used to be all about music and, by implication, a way of life. Lets’ face it, alt rock/pop rock etc. constitute a watering down of its’ outlaw spirit and to a purist that matters.

    But the relentless archiving and grading of its’ various genres that purists engage in is completely antithetical to its’ spirit,too.

    How outlaw can it be when the bulk of its’ afficionados are traipsing out to
    concerts by legacy bands and going on about the good old days (when they aren’t gloating over the value of unopened packages of Keith Richards and KISS dolls.)

    There is no easy path to success in the music business anymore and rock isn’t going to pull it off for Adam (or anyone.) I am betting he knows that, too. He’s just going where he wants to go at the moment.

    For those of us who love him, it’s a matter of whether we can go along for the ride. If he goes with the kind of rock featured on FYE and a BFM then I will be a happy fan. Period.

  • irockhard

    I don’t recall me or any of my friends in the 60’s arguing about what was real music or real rock either.

    It’s 2013 not the 1960s. Rock was intertwined with pop culture back then, that is NOT the case today.

  • irockhard

    Yes they’ll write a few songs that aren’t as heavy or edgy for pop radio so that they can reach a wider audience. But that doesn’t suddenly make them pop, they are still a rock band. Likewise Adam, Rihanna and Ke$ha adding some loud guitar doesn’t suddenly make them rock.

  • standtotheright

    The fundamental “rule” for any album cycle is to start strong. That doesn’t mean that the absolute smash single has to lead off (see: MKIA/WDKY, Sex on Fire/Use Somebody), but it does mean that the target format has to get on board quickly or follow-ups generally aren’t going to do well, even if they are arguably stronger songs. I still believe that NCOE was a pretty solid choice for a lead/early single (on that whole album, I only think Shady is the surer shot, although others could have been later releases) and if RCA hadn’t leached away Lambert’s residual radio goodwill by starting with BTIKM, it might have done better. Not necessarily “smash hit” better, given general AI radio fatigue, but “solid performance” better.
    But after BTIKM and NCOE both underperformed, and Trespassing clearly got a release on the cheap, there wasn’t any incentive for radio to pick it up. So they didn’t. (I happen to agree, for the record, that it isn’t as strong a single choice as some other songs, but at that point, it didn’t matter, really.)

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    I don’t recall me or any of my friends in the 60’s arguing about what was real music or real rock either.

    The people arguing about “real music” were the ones then in their 40s and up, with large numbers taking the position that “rock” didn’t qualify.

    Ironically, being a rock band of the past no longer guarantees acceptance on rock radio. The Goo Goo Dolls’* last hit single was HAC; Elton John has been an AC artist for years; and Paul McCartney is AAA or AC, depending who you ask.

    *I had this as Gin Blossoms originally, but I wuz rong. Starts with G, used to hear ‘em on alt-rock radio.

    I think it’s important to separate whether a song is rock-influenced from whether it’s likely to get play on rock radio. Rock RADIO has strict genre boundaries, but rock MUSIC has a pervasive influence across genres. Plenty of country music is very rock-influenced but won’t ever get rock radio play, just as much of the folk-rock movement is heavily country-influenced but won’t get country radio play.

  • standtotheright

    Melodic rock is the basis for the entire genre. The sounds of the 50s and 60s keep coming back in different forms, but they are every bit as much a part of the rock tapestry as the arena sounds of the 70s and early 80s. (As are the late 80s modern rock influences [which some might consider “poppier”] every bit as much a part of the tapestry as the 90s.)

  • Jablea

    I was just thinking that for me the music on the tv show Happy Days was rock n roll and it seems wikipedia agrees lol with rock around the clock being one of the first. I could care less about whether Adam has or wants any rock cred
    lol. Add in Elvis, Chuck Berry and the Brittish invasion like the Beatles and rock n roll is a whole different world than rock. Lets just get some new music from Adam and I will be happy.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Ryan’s statement at the end of the interview was that Lambert basically says (paraphrasing) – Here’s who I am and I’m cool with that. Sounds pretty outlaw to me.

  • standtotheright

    The number of music listeners who listen to rock and little else is, I suspect, declining rapidly. iPods, blogs, multi-genre festivals: Money and press coverage flow toward the multi-genre listener. So I think the definition has to be objectively more about the structure of the song and not the perceived personality of the artist or the artists’ fans.

  • irockhard

    Ironically, being a rock band of the past no longer guarantees acceptance on rock radio. The Gin Blossoms’ last hit single was HAC; Elton John has been an AC artist for years; and Paul McCartney is AAA or AC, depending who you ask.

    Well Active Rock still shows them love. The new singles of Black Sabbath, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and Nine Inch Nails are all getting loads of airplay there.

  • jlynn1205

    I never called Muse as a whole pop, but they have written a few pop-rock songs for radio and that’s all I’m saying. In the same way Adam has written and sounds like will be writing more pop-rock songs. I would agree with you that Muse is a rock band and Adam is a pop artist who has always had rock influences in his music and I don’t think he’s pretending to be or wants to be anything other than that, which is why I’m confused at all the rock cred arguments.

  • standtotheright

    Pop culture is so fractured right now that plenty of presumably pop artists aren’t at the forefront of the cultural conversation, either. Mostly because there aren’t many all-encompassing cultural conversations.
    I don’t think retreating to cultural silos and putting up moats is the answer. Embracing multiple genres and slotting things vaguely on song structure offers far fewer headaches.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Well, that’s why I said “no longer guarantees” rather than “have all been rejected.” Rock radio protects its boundaries.

    Any number of acts I loved on alt-rock radio in the early 1990s wouldn’t have gotten any play at all in the recent aggro era (their chances might be better right now than two years ago): Lloyd Cole, Voice of the Beehive, Erasure, Information Society, The Judybats, Crowded House, The Wonder Stuff, Kitchens of Distinction. These were all bands I learned about from the alt-rock radio station in Minneapolis at the time.

    *wanders off singing “The Size of a Cow”*

  • irockhard

    The rock cred arguments are due to fans arguing that pop rock is a legit sub-genre of rock (it’s not). I have noticed that those who hold this belief seem to be out of touch with the current rock market as they keep bringing up classic bands.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    Please don’t clog up the thread with pointless arguments over who said what. It’s irrelevant and OFF TOPIC. This is why the “don’t put words in poster’s mouths” and “don’t question a poster’s motives” exists.

    Again. I WILL ban long time posters. Please follow the guidelines.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    The rock cred arguments are due to fans arguing that pop rock is a legit sub-genre of rock (it’s not).

    That’s true only if “legit rock” is defined by rock radio PDs. Given my general opinion of radio PDs as over-stressed, underpaid, conservative thinkers obsessed with ratings… I’ll let them introduce new music to me, but they don’t have the right to tell me what music is (because I don’t think they know or care).*

    Even the larger music festivals have fairly broad boundaries.

    *I make an exception for Beef Vegan of KWSS, who obviously knows and cares passionately about music — and who plays a wide variety of styles on his show. But he’s on a community station (no ratings pressure) and I’m not sure he gets paid at all.

  • Matty Minkus

    Adam can make music classified as ‘rock’ without being a rocker as defined by rock lovers.

    Exactly! Thank You!

  • Valarie

    I agree with this. Adam is never going to fit my preference in rock, but he doesn’t need to. I am not a gate keeper.
    Other artists would be skewered by music media for leaving rock for dance pop after Idol, because that genre was more lucrative at the time. Now, alt rock is looking more lucrative, so he’s back.
    The rules have always been different for Adam, with Rolling Stone and Billboard firmly in his corner. He can genre flop forever and be fine, because of powerful industry support.

  • irockhard

    The rules have always been different for Adam, with Rolling Stone and Billboard firmly in his corner. He can genre flop forever and be fine, because of powerful industry support.

    I don’t agree as he doesn’t have support of the music buying public.

  • Madilo

    Where’s Nadine ? I did not read one post in these Adam threads these dayd and it amazes me, hope you’re fine.

  • shell29

    I disagree regarding lack of promotion for the first two singles they released from Trespassing. There was decent promotion for them, they just never took off on radio. I think the lack of promotion complaint does apply to Trespassing (the single)-RCA clearly put in a half-hearted effort with that one (the album had long since dropped off the BB 200 by that point and I was surprised they even bothered to release a 3rd single).
    I agree with the rest-I don’t think I would conclude that Adam’s songwriting isn’t strong enough based on what happened with Trespassing.

  • watt

    I always have a feeling that Adam will be a successful artist if he’s
    doing rock music. He will bring rock back to the music world. Go Adam!

  • Karen C

    The promotion problem might have been releasing the wrong singles, though. A different single with the same amount of promotion might have done better. And that is likely a label decision.

  • girlygirl

    Neither RS nor BB (or any other music publication, for that matter) have as much influence as they used to. Yes, it’s nice that they are supportive of Adam, but in the end, it’s the public’s support that matters, not the media’s.

  • girlygirl

    well, you can say that about pretty much any artist whose singles aren’t as successful as the artist’s fans would have hoped. It seems like the argument is always, “they picked the wrong song” to be a single.

  • Not fit to print

    I wasn’t talking about Adam, I was talking about rock, which imho isn’t outlaw anymore. It’s about belonging to a club with very specific rules.

    I don’t see Adam as an outlaw musically. Too much harmony, not a lot of anger or dissonance. He is definitely outside the mainstream, though. Embracing multiple genres as an artist requires a broadness of talent that is hard to come by and a breadth of taste that most fans don’t have; which is why the music industry is so busy slotting and fans are so busy ranking and rating.

    JMO, but deciding to keep “he” in Fever is indicative of a genral unwillingness to sell-out on things that matter to him, regardless of the cost. That would have been a hit song with a “she” in it. Puts him in outaw territory imho.

  • Gretta

    You are right. It is not the 60’s. Things have changed. I get it.

    But, I still have a hard time accepting that enjoying music today means having to “dislike” or “discredit” what other people like or credit. Why the need for strong division? Why the need to be so polarizing?

    I would argue that all musical styles entertwine with minor differences/distinctions. Your hard core rock borrows some of the same features that pop borrows from the delta blues. Popular music borrows from classical.

    All music today and yesterday that is aimed at popular culture (or the average man) is technically considered POPULAR MUSIC. The opposite of popular music is classical music (aimed at those with trained ears). Popular music may have divided up into niches for economic reasons, but it sits under one big umbrella, know as Popular Music.

    It is all entertwined. And it “ain’t that deep”.

  • Valarie

    I am not saying that I think he will have huge recording success. I just don’t think he will have to live his car anytime soon.
    The downside for Adam is that he got so much promotion globally, that few music buyers don’t already have their minds made up about him. There is not a huge populace that can be swayed.

  • ANNIEBA

    I really enjoyed this post and I agree that there is something in Adam that always wants to go where he is told not to. The more you tell him he can’t do something the more he is going to do it. He must have been a handful as a kid, lol.

  • lovetheusa1776

    A rebel; a nonconformist
    A person excluded from normal legal protection and rights.

    And, as you say – the infamous “he.”

    He did that without anger or dissonance – sometimes more effective.

  • Gretta

    I agree that “rock is about belonging to a club with very specific rules.” They want to be “outsiders” so they can’t let many people in, I guess.

  • lovetheusa1776

    And sometimes they’re correct.

  • Gretta

    Well said.
    But, come on… they collect KISS dolls?! That can’t be true! How very “outlaw”. :)

  • ANNIEBA

    I wonder what would have happened if Adam’s rock band Citizen Vein had been signed. Some of their stuff was terrible but I actually liked a few tracks and the few snippets we got of them live Adam was fantastic. The Zodiac Show Crawl Through Fire was amazing. I remember being so shocked and fascinated when I first saw that video, lol.

  • taylor

    Correction: It is to many who listen to a broad range of genres, from rock to pop.

  • girlygirl

    I agree. But that still doesn’t mean that if the label released the song the fans wanted as a single that that song would automatically have been a hit. There are a lot of great songs that flopped in terms of sales/radio play

  • elliegrll

    There is nothing that is hip hop flavoured about Fantasia’s most successful songs. They are Urban AC, even though some of them have done well on the Urban charts, which has more to do with Fantasia than the songs themselves. When Fantasia tried to release a hip hop leaning song, Hood Boy, her fans rejected it, and the second album only went Gold because of the second more r&b leaning single.

    It’s not about what these people did when they were on AI, no one cares about that. The objective once the show is over is to develop a brand/identity that will help them have a long career.

  • taylor

    What if your single is targeting HAC? Does that also mean you are not a “rock artist”?

  • Q_3

    In this case, Adam worked very hard to have different songs released as the singles from Trespassing and was pretty open about how he wanted one of the original album tracks released as a single. RCA added two tracks to that album and they were the two sort of promoted singles — BTIKM and NCOE.

    I can only speak for myself, I think these were the wrong singles EVEN IF they were hits. I was outspokenly opposed to the choice and critical of the promotional strategy for BTIKM in Dec 2011. RCA wanted Adam to be an Adult Pop artist, but Trespassing is not an Adult Pop album, and Adam’s audience is not an Adult Pop audience.

    No this is not unique to Adam, RCA seem to be really good at ineffective promotion.

  • Gretta

    Getting songs on the radio is not easy and there is a lot of timing and luck involved. Sometimes a “cutting edge” sound will allow a single to blast right through the known formulas. It can break all the rules. Then, artists and songwriters try to copy it and define a new formula for success.

    Even the best minds in the business cannot predict the success of a single all the time.

    So far, Adam has not had a song that defies the formula. Will he? Time will tell.

  • Q_3

    Most singles fail. But releasing tracks that have nothing to do with the album, also makes little sense. So all the initial Trespassing free media promo was wasted on BTIKM. And the attempt to make BTIKM go viral just shows how little RCA’s brains understand about the digital realm.

    I do not believe anything from Trespassing could have become a viral hit. In this case, the single needed traditional promotion and even then might not have been a hit,

    I would love a time machine but there are no redos in music.

  • justmefornow

    I think it depends on what the home format is. Some bands like Stone Sour, Shinedown, Linkin Park for example have released singles aimed specifically to HAC to hit a broader market, but are still very much rock bands.
    Most rock bands include one or two songs on their albums that are HAC leaning for this very reason.

  • taylor

    That’s not targeting those who listen to “rock and little else”, though. Those bands are specifically targeting the HAC market, which is not a demo that listens to rock and little else. The are basically a older pop-leaning audience.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Of course – that’s why I used the word “sometimes.”

  • chloe18

    “They target males 18-49 and won’t accept requests from those outside their target demo.”
    There’s a huge difference between targeting and excluding. If they target males that’s fine, but if they exclude women and are not open to requests by women that is extremely problematic.

  • Q_3

    The live performance video scraps we have of CV were pretty good. (There are only 3 live performances.)

    But IMHO Adam’s solo pre-Idol performances are better — Zodiac CTF, ACIGC and Black Dog, and maybe a good copy of the amazing “Kiss and Tell” Club 740 performance will be discovered some day.

  • Gretta

    I agree that “He does not have the support of the music buying public.”

    All musical artists are chasing the money of the “music buying public”. Creating those niche categories with defined music styles and attitudes makes it much easier to “sell” to the public.

  • taylor

    “Likewise Adam, Rihanna and Ke$ha adding some loud guitar doesn’t suddenly make them rock.”

    This is where you are missing the point. Adam never claimed to be a rock-only artist or said in any way that his next album was going to target rock radio or its listeners. He said that his next album was going to get back to his rock roots, which simply means more like FYE, that had more rock leanings than TSP. It’s not anymore complicated than that.

    Just like Kesha has some songs that have more rock to them. Just like Rihanna, if she ends up making an album that is more rock leaning. This doesn’t make them “rock artists” who are going to go play at all the big head banging rock events. It simply means that they are going to lean towards the rock sound for some of their music.

  • lovetheusa1776

    http://youtu.be/dBBEgbix40g

    Always loved this short vid of Turnin’ On

  • taylor

    They used the examples of Pink and fun. for pop rock. Some even used Kesha and Kelly that have songs that fit in this category. These are not classic bands.

  • justmefornow

    LOL. I never gave my definition of rock artists, you’re confusing me with someone else;)

    My guess? The bands do this to feed their labels because the rock market is so small anymore. I guess they look at it as a necessary evil to stay signed and be able to keep producing the real music they want to and to perform those harder songs live on tour to their rock audiences.

  • taylor

    “LOL. I never gave my definition of rock artists, you’re confusing me with someone else;)”

    “By irock’s definition, the bands you listed, would not be rock artists.”

  • Mel432

    A friend of mine borrowed my Trespassing CD for her daughter to duplicate for her. When her teen daughter tested the new CD, she was surprised how many of the songs she really, really liked. In a day’s time, her daughter and friends were already singing Cuckoo. They were surprised that they didn’t hear that song on the radio. It’s too bad Adam can’t record more songs like that, because I bet they could be huge hits if played on the radio. Can they make that sound more rockish?

  • justmefornow

    Exactly. I’m just giving you my opinion, no one else’s.

  • alterego

    This was probably the concept he pushed to RCA. And that didn’t go anywhere. So unless Lambert plans to bankroll this, he will have to find a label and convince them that he is marketable as a Rock guy.

  • ANNIEBA

    Ahhh yes, so hot! And here are 38 seconds of bliss

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woJM08fl5CU

  • Mel432

    Adam looks so thin. What year was that? He sounds pretty authentic to me.

  • taylor

    I qualified my original statement with “by irock’s definition”. I can’t make it much clearer than that, as to whose definition of rock artists I’m referring to.

  • Not fit to print

    I kid you not. Have you never been to one of those shops where they sell rare vinyl and cds and memorabilia, LOL! I went with my brother once and gave him the hardest time. Should have taken pics. He’s not a doll buyer but obviously someone is buying them.

  • justmefornow

    lol. I get it. But why include her definition to my post, that’s why I’m confused. But, whatever.

  • ANNIEBA

    This one was uploaded in 2010 but it looks like it was filmed in 2007. I think the other CV vids are around the same time. This one is a nice 8 minutes long at the Knitting Factory. Could of fooled me he’s a rocker, lol.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqhbesTbcfA

  • Gretta

    Too funny! (loved your post!)

  • esther macha

    OMG rock roots

  • Mel432

    Holy Snickers. Crawl Thru Fire is amaaaazing. Why wasn’t he signed back then?

  • Not fit to print

    http://www.ebay.com/bhp/kiss-dolls

    KISS dolls

    http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/keith-richards-doll

    Keith Richards doll.

    Limited edition of course….

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Well, damn. If the KISS figures came in 6″ rather than 8″, my Goth Rabbit in its Steampunk dollhouse could have a boyfriend. #missedopportunity

  • Mel432

    I’ve never seen these before. Adam’s voice sounds so deep. Yep. As I mentioned before, sounds plenty authentic to me.

  • springboard2

    FYE was pop rock, and if this is where is wants to go he shouldn’t have too much problems in terms of image since it was the most successful and the better know of his two albums including singles. WWFM is what the largest number of people must know of him, and it’s a pop-rock ballad.

    The current trend is for alt flavored pop-rock, and there was a few alt leaning tracks in Trespassing DeLuxe, so it’s not that much of a new genre for him.

    Imo, the genre change from Trespassing is really not a big issue.
    What will be is the appeal of what he releases as a big No.1 prerequisite, followed by decent promotion and for this he’ll have to be signed to a label with radio connections.

  • standtotheright

    All his live albums are labeled as Springsteen and the E Street Band. And rightly so.
    I’m firmly in the “Springsteen wouldn’t be nearly as successful as he is without that band” camp, and that’s even accounting for the fact that Nebraska is my favorite.

  • waitingforthe1

    yes they do irock – I hear them on my local top 40 station frequently.

  • ANNIEBA

    IKR? That voice, those pants, haha. I remember thinking, this guy is on American Idol?

  • ANNIEBA

    Oh Gaawd, I remember when this was discovered it crashed Adam Official. I remember the person who posted it just wrote “thank me later”, hahahaha

  • waitingforthe1

    and yet they get played on CHR –

    No one has said Adam’s home format would ever be rock/alt rock and yet you seem to be fixated on this idea that CHR doesn’t play alt rock influenced songs, when they certainly do.

    Adam can record rock influenced music and still be a pop artist whose home format is CHR or have HAC because the beautiful thing right now is that those two formats play pretty much everything from rock to country and anything in between.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Think you’re reading it wrong – never got “Rock guy” – got rock and roll influences in new music. Great.

  • babyspock

    You are ignoring the fact that Rolling Stone gave the first album a so-so review. They loved him during idol, but felt FYE was too safe. They loved Trespassing and felt it was what they were hoping for his first album was going to be. So they have no problem criticizing him when see fit.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    I came across this video months ago and I think it really works. The guy who made the video wrote on the description:

    ”I added a lot of different rhythm guitars, recorded bass over the whole song, added some drums.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXyA_1feHG8

  • Nadine_Bitch
  • Gretta

    I want that Keith doll!

  • lovetheusa1776

    That voice – incredible in its beauty, range, and power.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    I agree. I don’t care what song or genre he would sing. I just need him to keep singing and I would be a very happy woman:)

  • weareallinnocent

    Reminds me of Trespassing (of course) and Pharrell’s comment to Adam, “Don’t let anyone tell you where you can’t go.” (Or words to that effect.)

    I do have broad tastes in music, so I’m ready… :-)

  • Montavilla

    Nevermind. I’ve been snarky enough.

  • weareallinnocent

    Y’all are making me want to run out and buy some music right now! I’ve been married to my radio lately, but meaning to buy too… lol

  • Gretta

    I agree with all of what you said! Adam is an “outlaw” by today’s standards. He is not “trying to be”, he just is. He is trying to remain truthful to himself. I personally think Trespassing was a CD he wrote for HIS community..the club culture. While it was lyrically vague enough to be embraced by others, it was still a risk, too, by industry standards. I bet there were many arguments behind the scenes about which single to release first. And probably plenty of arguments about the overall musical direction the CD took.

    I think he has shown he is willing to take risks and live with the outcomes… which is “outlaw” to me. Maybe that is why he appeals to so many older rockers and to those who OWN the music industry (who are old and classified as “boomers”). We see the talent. And we see something in him that is not an exact fit with today’s standards…and that makes him unique. We still celebrate “uniqueness” and want to see it succeed.

    When Adam first hit the music scene, I thought he was a cute boy singing rock who didn’t have rock/roll “guts.” As I learned more about him personally and watched his old videos on line, he appeared far less naive, far less a “cute boy”. I discovered he had “been around” and had accumulated experience.

    It reminded me of how the Beatles story unfolded. The industry packaged them as cute boys, the Fab Four, shaking thier mop-top heads. Harmless, teen friendly boys singing cute tunes. Then I discovered they had been playing for over a year in bawdy beer halls in Germany…not really all so very clean cut and teen friendly. Those experiences and raw talent gave them the edge that exists within their music. I think it may be that cross between the naive and the bawdy that is their “genius”. JMO.

    I am not sure how Adam’s story will turn out, but I am sure enjoying watching it unfold!

  • Montavilla

    It was amazing to me that “Cuckoo” charted on iTunes for about a week after the PLL appearance. (“Trespassing” did as well, but not as long.

  • Q_3

    Only a few people have heard the demos and I do not believe any of them are posting about it on Idol blogs. But pretty sure Adam did not propose and is not planning on a “rock” album.

  • Q_3

    Haven’t you heard — he’s “gay”. It was consider too risky tp sign a gay artist. Adam only got signed because of Idol. Things have changed but not much.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Yes, he’s said he wouldn’t have gotten signed without Idol.

  • marmom07

    Ryan murphy tweeted that Adam had joined the cast thus Adam stating “the cast and myself” was appropriate. Adam said it was discussed but hadn’t yet fully defined his character/role. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a cast member. My guess is they have more of a role and story arc figured out but Adam isn’t a liberty to spoil it and Adam knew that Cory’s death might change the story/role that they had mapped out.

  • marmom07

    I went back and watched Adam’s cover of Bob Marley’s Is this love. Such a great fun song. He’s also at times done part of his on song Outlaws of Love in a reggae style.

    I think the songs and styles he chooses to cover gives us clues to the types of music he enjoys singing and performing. But just because he’s done some reggae style songs doesn’t make me think he’s going to put out a whole reggae album. So same thinking goes with his rock comments. I think Adam is thinking stylistically when he throws out some of these music descriptions not in terms of genre or audiences.

  • Susan Reiter

    Yay for Rock n Roll and more activity in Adamland! It’s been a happening place lately ; )

  • mary

    I would like that Adam does a duet with Allison Iraheta