Adam Lambert Post AMA News Update for 12/03/09

Being censored and edited isn’t the same as being banned/blacklisted from an entire network. I know they are going to talk tonight on Showbiz tonight about the Pink comparisons. I hope they find out whether or not she was banned from FOX for awhile after her performance.

God I can’t wait for S9 to start.

I posted this on another thread sometime last night:

I don’t think it’s the FCC putting pressure on ABC not to have Adam on, because if it were, why are they not also putting pressure on other media outlets not to have him on? Doesn’t make any sense to put a prior restraint on only one network if an institution with federal jurisdiction like the FCC is the source of the pressure, and if their problem is with Adam Lambert having any more exposure to tender ears/eyes. (Not to mention ‘“ aren’t prior restraints on speech prohibited anyway?)

On another note, I would like (no LOVE) to see Adam do a UStream Upright Cabaret type performance for New Year’s Eve, since he is looking to put something else together now. I really fell in love with him as a performer after seeing those on YouTube, and I would so love to see that become kind of a New Year’s tradition for him. (Much better than moldy old New Year’s **ckin’ Eve.:)

Today I would also add this thought from a forerunner of Adam’s who experienced a lot worse hardship for his sexuality (we have come a long ways – Wilde got 2 years hard labor I think for his criminal conviction):

The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius.
Oscar Wilde, The Critic as Artist, 1891
Irish dramatist, novelist, & poet (1854 – 1900)

Adam is seventh on this WW chart with 210,000 sales approx.

http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums.htm

Isn’t the word “sympathize” a little too dramatic? The word “Agree” would be a better choice. Not criticizing, just wondering….

To be honest, I’m not sure how I feel about this decision. Have to try to get my Adam Obsessed Game Face off for a minute and think about this one.

Yes I now get that the US broadcasts of Pink’s performance were edited – but did they blacklist her too, and cancel appearances? What happened afterwards? Whatever, certainly doesn’t seem to have hurt her career!

Love Adam’s positive attitude in the face of adversity–an admiral trait. He continues to speak with nothing but respect about ABC and their decisions to date. What a class act. Adam DID learn a lesson, a really hard lesson, and now enough is enough.

Oo I can’t wait to watch the View segment. 17 seconds in and Elizabeth looks like she’s sucking on a lemon drop.

I don’t think it’s the FCC putting pressure on ABC not to have Adam on, because if it were, why are they not also putting pressure on other media outlets not to have him on?

Exactly. There’s something else going on here. Its just easy to blame the FCC.

Yes I now get that the US broadcasts of Pink’s performance were edited ‘“ but did they blacklist her too, and cancel appearances? What happened afterwards? Whatever, certainly doesn’t seem to have hurt her career!

True. Most don’t even remember.

I just loved Ellen’s expression during Adam’s song. Oh that was so funny!

Can’t wait to see Adam perform on S9 of AI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On another note, I would like (no LOVE) to see Adam do a UStream Upright Cabaret type performance for New Year’s Eve, since he is looking to put something else together now. I really fell in love with him as a performer after seeing those on YouTube, and I would so love to see that become kind of a New Year’s tradition for him. (Much better than moldy old New Year’s **ckin’ Eve.:)

That would be so cool if he could put on a show with songs like he did for Upright Cabaret. That would be glorious!

All Elizabeth is a Reality Star contestant, nothing she thinks or says means anything to me. She just interupts and babbles. The other 3 seems to be on Adams side. But I kinda think Barbara is using Adam the same way the AMA’s did. Hes on first on the advertisment, and last saying I am a Homosexual, deal with it. Another excuse to watch a ABC show. I wish Adam would say suck it, I’m not interested Barbara.

I used to really like Elizabeth (not so much anymore). I used to get annoyed by Joy Behar, but she made me smile!

Oh and Barbara Walters looked really pretty in that clip. I’m so glad Adam will still be on her special.

It is obvious to me that something else is going on behind the scenes. There is more to this story. However, I don’t understand why anyone would be complaining…he is getting yet more publicity and press….these tv enterntainment shows will be talking about it again and he’ll have more press. And, yet again, it will dominate these gossip shows, etc.

Sorry, I know I may get clobbered for this, but I am beginning to believe that that whole performance was a totally calculated move on either Adam’s part and/or his camp to draw attention through controversy and unfortunately it has gained a life of its own beyond what some thought. He took it too far maybe and ticked off some people he shouldn’t have…who knows what has happened behind the scenes.

And, of course, the focus is yet again off the music.

And I don’t put any value in the opinion of any of the women of the view…Joy Behar especially….sorry, can’t stand her or Sherre for that matter.

I just read about the cancellation on Comcast news and made the mistake of reading the comments. I am just sick to my stomach at the amount of hatred that got spewed on that page, feel like I have to scrub my eyes to clean them. It really seems to show how easily a witch hunt can get started – so scaray.

I agree it’s not the FCC. It has to be a sponsor! Why else would GLAAD fold? A sponsor threatens ABC and the ABC threatens GLAAD….we’ll stop the “ok” homo stuff we show unless you come out in support of us. They know very well the FCC complaint says homo activity as the reason for the complaint…yet they still sided with ABC…..

Oo I can’t wait to watch the View segment. 17 seconds in and Elizabeth looks like she’s sucking on a lemon drop.

Funny!

Adam needs to write a book some day when hes free, so we all can know what went down. I would be real interested. Oh wait, they cant talk about any Idol Stuff. Sucks!!!!

Does anyone think it could be a possibility, contrary to what we’ve been told so far, that Adam might have indicated what he was thinking of doing BEFORE the show, got into an argument with the producers and was told not to do it – got angry and did it anyway, and maybe even more?

I know it sounds unlikely after what we’ve heard, but it’s just that he seemed SO angry in that performance, especially the finger flip at the end. Like somebody had literally just totally infuriated him. He was never that angry in the press and interviews about Out Magazine etc. Slightly annoyed maybe, but nothing much more. Just wondering.

Ok I have this cynical feeling that in some way all of them ABC, Adam, 19, Disney are in cahoots with this whole thing. I think at first yes the AMA incident came off not good for any of them. Adam got defensive, ABC got Defensive, Disney. Bear with me here. Then there was a uproar against Adam. More negative press then positive, because honestly the AMA performance was sub par. (voice and all. Though I still say the last note was outrageously amazing) ABC decides to Cancel the GMA. Media frenzy. ABC in the news, Adam in the News. Chris Brown, ABC in the news. At this point someone could think we could really get a good mile out this whole thing which could be a win win for all. ABC comes down really hard on Adam cancels all of his ABC appearances (except her Majesty Barbara Walters. Help with ratings) (notice the comment by Elizabeth. The only place on ABC you will see Adam) Uproar #2 Big bad ABC….poor Adam… (his performance does not seem as terrible now that there is overkill)….

2010 – ABC and Adam make up on 20/20 interview where everyone hugs and Kisses. (no not that) and all is for given. Tons of people watch to see the Mouse and the Alien make up…. all is right with world again…..Then Adam gets his own ABC tv special.

Just a theory and maybe not exactly this way but some hybrid of it.

Enough is enough already. This sucks! OK, ABC, Adam has learned his lessons, will toe the line (blah, blah, blah). I just feel like he is being punished unfairly. Will they ban him for years, since these matters (if legal) takes years to resolve? I just wish people would now focus on his music and his talent instead of all this stuff.

sylverine
12/03/2009 at 8:08 pm

Does anyone think it could be a possibility, contrary to what we’ve been told so far, that Adam might have indicated what he was thinking of doing BEFORE the show, got into an argument with the producers and was told not to do it ‘“ got angry and did it anyway, and maybe even more?

I know it sounds unlikely after what we’ve heard, but it’s just that he seemed SO angry in that performance, especially the finger flip at the end. Like somebody had literally just totally infuriated him. He was never that angry in the press and interviews about Out Magazine etc. Slightly annoyed maybe, but nothing much more. Just wondering.

I don’t think that this is a too far fetch idea.

All Elizabeth is a Reality Star contestant, nothing she thinks or says means anything to me.

Hee. You do see the irony, don’t you?

That Los Angeles Times article……..
Just yuck. I feel really sick right now.

He continues to speak with nothing but respect about ABC and their decisions to date.

He’d be more admirable if he did this from the start but he wasn’t really that respectful then, wasn’t he?

I love Ellen and Adam’s singing gave me goosebumps. Will she play that on every show for the giveaway?
And WOW on Adam’s global ranking and sales. He has surpassed his domestic sales already.

http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums.htm

Sorry – meant to write “scary”

Ditto on the “Upright Cabaret” style performance – it would be awesome!!!

So……. It’s okay for Adam to talk on ABC — just not perform!

Wow. Talk about “getting your name out there”! Hopefully, this won’t be all that he is remembered for. I’m sure there is a lesson to be learned somewhere. Oh yeah, I think it’s: Play with fire, get burned!

Some of those comments yikes!

So do you guys really believe that if Adam had of practiced the kiss in rehearsal, ABC would have been ok with it? I mean, they are acting like it is b/c he went off script. Would they have let him stay on script with a man on man kiss??? Highly doubt it. Yea, they were pissed he was off script but that is not the whole deal.

You know what would be really sad about all this for us Adam fans – if it turns out Europe and Asia get to see and hear more Adam in future than we will.

And WOW on Adam’s global ranking and sales. He has surpassed his domestic sales already.

http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums.htm

Recall seeing that site linked to last year, but IIRC a few people who followed this stuff decided the numbers looked unreliable — though it may have been more about the numbers looking incomplete (didn’t include many countries or certain regions of the world) rather than made-up or wrong.

By the way, is the 210K supposed to be in addition to his US sales or including his US sales. Because it says “global” sales.

I am beginning to believe that that whole performance was a totally calculated move on either Adam’s part and/or his camp to draw attention through controversy and unfortunately it has gained a life of its own beyond what some thought.

Not clobbered, just pooh-poohed. He said repeatedly–and I believe most genuinely–that he didn’t perform the way he rehearsed, that he isn’t a robot and likes to improvise a bit. Why is it so hard for people to believe that he just got carried away, got caught up, got horny!? I don’t believe for a second that he would contrive a mediastorm like this for publicity. He was getting enough of that regardless, just by being openly gay, and mad talented!

Adam is defending Allison on twitter and reprimanding Perez Hilton.

@adamlambert

@allisoniraheta can out sing any of the other teenagers in the recording industry right now. Like, sing circles around them.

@perezhilton : allisons a rockstar! Just because the record didn’t sell a ton, that doesn’t mean it’s not great! (cuz it’s reeeeeally good)

He continues to speak with nothing but respect about ABC and their decisions to date.

He’d be more admirable if he did this from the start but he wasn’t really that respectful then, wasn’t he?

He actually was very respectful. Having an opinion that is differs from someone else’s does not make you disrespectful. He did not rant, just expressed his opinion.

Have you ever been in a situation that caught you off guard and you reacted instinctually? Then, when you have time to reflect, can see the situation from a different angle? We seem to forget that Adam is a human being, just like the rest of us. There have certainly been times in my life when I reacted to something defensively and then upon further reflection, could see beyond my own first emotional response.

By the way, is the 210K supposed to be in addition to his US sales or including his US sales. Because it says ‘global’  sales.

All the numbers on the World chart include the US. Adam has not been released in the other counties. (except Itunes maybe) until this week. That is when the physical CD are available for purchase.

So do you guys really believe that if Adam had of practiced the kiss in rehearsal, ABC would have been ok with it? I mean, they are acting like it is b/c he went off script. Would they have let him stay on script with a man on man kiss??? Highly doubt it. Yea, they were pissed he was off script but that is not the whole deal.

Hypotheticals and suppositions trump reality, apparently.

I think it has more to do with Adam changing his performance from how he rehearsed it that has ABC so pissed off. If they had known what he was going to do they could have edited all versions in the US and no one would be able to file a complaint with the FCC.

Fox was aware of Pink’s act from her rehearsals so they censored the parts that could cause problems.

It still falls back on Adam’s shoulders for changing the performance from his rehearsals.

I don’t think the FCC is blacklisting Adam I think it’s all just ABC’s punishment of Adam for his slapping that gift horse in the face. Adam may have said he didn’t want to do that but it really is exactly what he did.

@allisoniraheta can out sing any of the other teenagers in the recording industry right now. Like, sing circles around them.

It’s nice that Adam sticks up for Allison, I like her a lot. But this could be taken the wrong way by fans of another fabulous teenager from Season 7.

As much as I hate what he did on AMA, I’m starting to feel enormous sympathy for Adam. He certainly had poor judgment and has been under enormous pressure and didn’t have much time to initially reflect on things. But I think he’s a very decent human being that people are dumping all sorts of crap on. People sure love beating up people when they’re down. But in this instance, I’m beginning to believe it is because he’s a gay man that he’s getting so much crap. I don’t think the initial reaction or some following were homophobic, but I don’t think Adam would be receiving the sum of all of this negativity had he been a straight male.

Normally, America is so forgiving and willing to give people another chance. But, I don’t think this goes for a gay guy. So he’s home crying and watching Gossip Girls and sick with a fever. Thank God Ellen gets the goodness in his soul and showed him human decency.

Adam is probably one of the least disingenuous musicians in the business. It’s ridiculous to suggest that he did that performance for publicity. I do think he made a mistake, but it was an honest one, and ABC continues to punish him for it, due to reasons that are still unknown (don’t buy the FCC bullshit). He has pulled back, possibly in conjunction with his handlers, but he has NOT apologized and good for him. And good for NBC for seeing beyond one questionable performance. And especially good on Adam for continuing to support his friends (e.g, Allison).

Oh, and if this is ABC *punishing* Adam, they need to look at issues like, oh, I don’t know, AFGHANISTAN and get their priorities in order. What, are they his mother or something?

Yes, suebrody….I agree 1,000%!!!!!!!!!!!

1) what in the world did perez say about Allison that has Adam so hot under the collar?

2) I still call bullshit on the “going off script” argument….if he had gone “off script” and did jumping jacks ABC would have no problem…it is the content of what he did purportedly “off-script” that made them mad. But I call bullshit because the rehearsal footage shows that except for the “kiss” and the head/crotch plant the performance was pretty faithful to the rehearsals and the routine was really racy….and there was a head near a crotch in the rehearsal ……frankly I am wondering if ABC had some concerns re: the performance and told Adam that he could do it but if there were any complaints/the network got heat then Adam would have to take the fall…

whatever, i’m tired of talking about this…I think ABC has gone completely OTT ridiculous and no one can convince me otherwise

It is just frickin amazing how FAMOUS this whole AMA is making Adam. Maybe they are right, there really is no such thing as bad publicity.

I mean, seriously, has any previous Idol EVER gotten so much face time on TV?

So do you guys really believe that if Adam had of practiced the kiss in rehearsal, ABC would have been ok with it? I mean, they are acting like it is b/c he went off script. Would they have let him stay on script with a man on man kiss??? Highly doubt it. Yea, they were pissed he was off script but that is not the whole deal.

The show that normally plays during that time slot on ABC is Brothers & Sisters. There is a gay couple who kiss on that show regularly. They are married & are having a child through a surrogate.

ABC is the one network that supports the LGBT community more than any other non-cable network. That’s why GLAAD is so quick to defend them.

Tony
12/03/2009 at 8:24 pm

So do you guys really believe that if Adam had of practiced the kiss in rehearsal, ABC would have been ok with it? I mean, they are acting like it is b/c he went off script. Would they have let him stay on script with a man on man kiss??? Highly doubt it. Yea, they were pissed he was off script but that is not the whole deal.

Hypotheticals and suppositions trump reality, apparently.

Apparently the Liberty Counsel thinks that’s true.

I just love that Adam in the midst of all this takes the time to defend Allison. This guy just amazes me. ABC can go suck dick.

I wonder why I’m not getting Adam’s tweets on my phone today.

The show that normally plays during that time slot on ABC is Brothers & Sisters. There is a gay couple on who kiss on that show regularly. They are married & having a child through a surrogate.

ABC is the one network that supports the LGBT community more than any other non-cable network.

They support acceptable mainstream LBGT stereotypes that is ok with the Straight world. It is not indicative of every gay person.

1) what in the world did perez say about Allison that has Adam so hot under the collar?

Perez pretty much slammed Allisons album on his website-another Idol bomb I believe he titled it.

If the AMA performance and the afterward responses were staged, I suggest nominate Adam for Oscar best actor of the year.

aa618892
12/03/2009 at 8:34 pm

I just love that Adam in the midst of all this takes the time to defend Allison. This guy just amazes me. ABC can go suck dick.

Apparently they don’t allow this or even simulation of this so I doubt they will do it.

aa618892
12/03/2009 at 8:34 pm

I just love that Adam in the midst of all this takes the time to defend Allison. This guy just amazes me. ABC can go suck dick.

AND he has the flu AND he has been doing media all day and donating the KISS outfit to the House of Blues. Necessary press junket, perhaps, but it would have been a lot easier to just phone some of the interviews in (which he did with the Canadian station, b/c…IT’S IN CANADA).

Stand up guy.

I continue to call bullshit on this being a publicity stunt by Adam’s team.

Kudos, BeckyMD.

adamlambert @allisoniraheta can out sing any of the other teenagers in the recording industry right now. Like, sing circles around them.

Meganjoysings @adamlambert FOR SURE. HAND DOWN.

Being censored and edited isn’t the same as being banned/blacklisted from an entire network. I know they are going to talk tonight on Showbiz tonight about the Pink comparisons.

In MJ’s post, she says that Pink’s performance was censored on both feeds. Given that certain parts of the performances were not seen in the U.S. (that you tube clip was in Canada), I would presume that Fox didn’t get complaints and they were not fined. Therefore isn’t the Pink issue a moot point? There would have been no outside pressure to ban her.

“The show that normally plays during that time slot on ABC is Brothers & Sisters. There is a gay couple who kiss on that show regularly. They are married & having a child through a surrogate.

ABC is the one network that supports the LGBT community more than any other non-cable network.”

Oh yeah there is a gay couple being portrayed on the show but the “kisses” are chaste. Adam’s kiss was real and passionate. He brought it and I for one thought it was one of the hottest things I have ever seen. So did my 17 year old daughter who was watching with me ( she thought the sim. bj was no big deal). Maybe this is the problem but no one will admit it? That kiss was full of REAL male horniness from a gay guy and that is too much homosexual reality for many to take. I say give me more.

I just love that Adam in the midst of all this takes the time to defend Allison. This guy just amazes me. ABC can go suck dick.

AND he has the flu AND he has been doing media all day and donating the KISS outfit to the House of Blues. Necessary press junket, perhaps, but it would have been a lot easier to just phone some of the interviews in (which he did with the Canadian station, b/c’ ¦IT’S IN CANADA).

Oh poor baby. Like he’s the first to have to work and be sick. Give me a break. S9 please get here soon.

by the way sue,im thrilled you’re still here…

adamlambert @allisoniraheta can out sing any of the other teenagers in the recording industry right now. Like, sing circles around them.

Meganjoysings @adamlambert FOR SURE. HAND DOWN.

Aw, I love them sticking up for Lava girl

And yeah, Adam’s done back to back radio interviews since this morning, then the Hard Rock appearance and call interviews. Plus he still has another radio appearance tonight I think. So, I have no idea where he found the time for these tweets LOL.

He actually was very respectful. Having an opinion that is differs from someone else’s does not make you disrespectful. He did not rant, just expressed his opinion.

So him accusing ABC before the fact and the bitchy “I’m not a babysitter” is respectful? Also, I only heard him admit that he went off script a week after the AMAs, meaning the initial wave of press made Adam more sympathetic than actuality. He made himself look better and in turn made ABC look bad.

Have you ever been in a situation that caught you off guard and you reacted instinctually? Then, when you have time to reflect, can see the situation from a different angle? We seem to forget that Adam is a human being, just like the rest of us. There have certainly been times in my life when I reacted to something defensively and then upon further reflection, could see beyond my own first emotional response.

Sure, everyone has but he’s also a public figure. He choose this life and unfair or not, he’s dancing to a different set of rules. And one of them is that whatever he does or says will always be in the press. He could have done a lot of things – kept quiet, talked to the press a little later, etc but he chose to blather on right after his performance. And every appearance after that was focused on discrimination/double standard while his initial transgression — doing something that wasn’t approved or vetted — was forgotten. It’s only recently that he appears contrite about the whole thing.

Hypotheticals and suppositions trump reality, apparently.

No kidding. When facts aren’t on your side, become a conspiracy theorist, I guess. LOL

Like the Pink video. When facts emerge that prove the performance was edited in the US, ignore it and focus on one or two people who happen to say it wasn’t.

I still call bullshit on the ‘going off script’  argument’ ¦.if he had gone ‘off script’  and did jumping jacks ABC would have no problem’ ¦it is the content of what he did purportedly ‘off-script’  that made them made. But I call bullshit because the rehearsal footage shows that except for the ‘kiss’  and the head/crotch plant the performance was pretty faithful to the rehearsals’ ¦.and there was a head near a crotch in the rehearsal

ITA. We’re not hearing about all the notes he improvised, afterall.

I am beginning to believe that that whole performance was a totally calculated move on either Adam’s part and/or his camp to draw attention through controversy

Interesting. Is there some new evidence that’s leading to this belief? Personally, I don’t believe it is calculated, but I got thinking last night that the additional days in the news could lead to additional sales because it’s just that many more pairs of eyes/ears who will be aware that there’s an album. And then I got thinking that the loss of the NYE/Kimmel appearances will more than negate that, so an overall loss. But who knows. But obviously, the fact that it creates controversy isn’t evidence that it was planned, so I’m wondering what evidence I’ve missed.

Not caught up yet, but the Ellen clip makes me happier than I’ve been in a long time regarding this guy. That’s the musician I’m waiting to hear, far more than anything I’ve heard from him anywhere else. Just pure him letting it rip. The album is OK, but he’s still waiting for his best material and he’s got the talent to make it great.

Back to life, but looking forward to reading up later……..

(mj, this one stop shop is soooo appreciated. All the news that’s fit to print

Update From GLAAD:

http://www.glaad.org/Page.aspx?pid=1134

Update on Statement from GLAAD on ABC’s Decision to
Cancel Performances by Adam Lambert
GLAAD issued the following update and clarification after some media outlets have taken today’s earlier statement out of context:

Since his American Music Awards performance occurred GLAAD has consistently advocated that Adam Lambert and openly gay artists not be held to a double standard. As we have expressed publicly, it is disappointing that ABC will not give Lambert a chance to perform at this time. GLAAD’s discussions with ABC focused on confirming that his sexual orientation was not a factor in their decisions. ABC confirmed this is not about a same-sex kiss or his sexual orientation but about being ‘caught off guard.’  GLAAD asked ABC and calls on them for clarification on ‘caught off guard’  so that the community knows why Lambert is being denied the opportunity to perform on the network.

Oh poor baby. Like he’s the first to have to work and be sick. Give me a break. S9 please get here soon.

Yeah, think you’re missing my point…glad to see Megan jumping in.

Hola, luv. *waving*

Okay, so I’m tired of talking about this. I’m just going to play Ellen’s clip over and over and listen to Adam’s music, just like I say I’m going to do every night and DO every night, and feel better. I cannot WAIT WAIT WAIT till the day that we just get to hear Adam get on stage and play with his band without any kind of negative heat and innuendos and all the rest. He can’t win for trying anymore. That’s just sad, IMO.

laterz

That kiss was full of REAL male horniness from a gay guy and that is too much homosexual reality for many to take. I say give me more.

But ABC was OK with the horny kiss. They didn’t edit that. I’m curious…when was the last time that an awards show like the AMAs had a horny heterosexual kiss during a performance? It must happen, but to be honest, none come to mind. The only place I’ve seen them is on the MTV movie awards (like the best kiss award), and those are usually awarded to same sex kisses and usually the winners re-enact the moment.

happydaisy he said he liked Archie. I don’t think archie’s the best teen singer out there.alli kicks a$$ .jmo.

it’s just his opinion so how is that bull shit?

The worst part about all of the cancellations and the Liberty counsel complaining about Adam’s AMA performance to the FCC for me is that I live on good old Lynchburg, VA, where Liberty University is located. The Liberty Counsel and Liberty UIniversity were founded by Jerry Falwell here in Lynchburg. So, I have had to listen to this homophobic, prejucide crap from this group for most of my life. It is really getting old. It is none of their business and I wish they would just leave Adam alone. My sister and I are seriously considering wearing Adam shirts around town just to piss off the Liberty people.

laterz

good idea.I’m going to.have a bunch of catch up to do all the way from jim’s interview…:0

I am beginning to believe that that whole performance was a totally calculated move on either Adam’s part and/or his camp to draw attention through controversy

If it wasn’t calculated, why did Adam cry discrimination before it was even edited and broadcast on the west coast? He knew what he was doing. He even said he went too far. Some want to spin it differently, but this is what happened.

HappyDaisy
12/03/2009 at 8:50 pm

adamlambert @allisoniraheta can out sing any of the other teenagers in the recording industry right now. Like, sing circles around them.

This is B.S. See my post on the headlines thread.

Why is in BS he is protecting his friend talk about overreaching on something. Ridicules – he is not a frigging computer. I am sure he meant the female and is no way disrespecting David A. Beside its and opinion Why was it ok for other Idols to say they felt Kris was a better singer? Jeez

happydaisy he said he liked Archie. I don’t think archie’s the best teen singer out there.alli kicks a$$ .jmo.

I don’t think he’s including Archie in that LOL. I think he means the girls. Is Archie still a teenager? (Honestly, I don’t know how he old he is).

notice that radio stations hard play him. might have something to do with ABC owners own most of the radio stations…

and, i still think that his biggest mistake was choosing the wrong single. Music again should have been his first single and broken open or soaked the second. i would never understand why he had chosen the most mediocre song on his album.

Just gotta say boo to ABC cuz ya know who gets screwed over in the end?
TH FANS. Adam is a smart guy and he has said that he got carried away and will try to stick to rehearsal routine from now on so I think these cancellations are excessive, especially the New Years one I mean c’mom thats when everybody is dancing, drinking and having fun!!
Also, Ellen is cool and he sounded amazing in that clip she played :
LOL at Whoppie, she was like really clueless on the issue and did yall see Barbara Walters walking side by side with Adam? That sleazy old skank LOL j/k I know shes a respectable journalist…but Adam is just irresistable isn’t he? =)

Jenipop,

My sister and I are seriously considering wearing Adam shirts around town just to piss off the Liberty people.

LOL!!! Do it!!!! Finally, some laughter in amidst all the it’s-all-a-publicity-stunt conspiracy theories which are, respectfully, utterly ludicrous!!

I just love that Adam in the midst of all this takes the time to defend Allison. This guy just amazes me. ABC can go suck dick.

Apparently they don’t allow this or even simulation of this so I doubt they will do it.

Best comment of the day!!!!

It’s nice that Adam sticks up for Allison, I like her a lot. But this could be taken the wrong way by fans of another fabulous teenager from Season 7.

I believe he’s probably thinking of Miley, Demi, etc…

From all I’ve heard Adam say in the past, I think he knows, just as we do, that the Idols can pretty much all really *sing.* !

ImMattGiraud @AllisonIraheta is one of the most amazing young
talents I’ve ever seen. She blows my mind and I shake my head everytime I watch her sing.

TheRealJordin @adamlambert she sureeee can!

Personally, I don’t believe it is calculated, but I got thinking last night that the additional days in the news could lead to additional sales because it’s just that many more pairs of eyes/ears who will be aware that there’s an album. And then I got thinking that the loss of the NYE/Kimmel appearances will more than negate that, so an overall loss

You seriously think that either of those appearances are even remotely equal to having your name floated in the press for multiple weeks as a continuing controversy? Really? I’d like a reason for that thinking.

For me, that’s outright insane, intuitively. No media appearance should equal in buying power to ubiquity, which Adam has managed to hit for, oh, weeks. (In terms of sheer visibility, he’s been clobbering most public figures, except for maybe the president and Susan Boyle. Ok, so I’m not being serious, but you get the point) And that’s bound to be more influential, even if there’s is a pretty high difference in percentage for people who see Adam in the news and buy his album and people who see a TV appearance and buy the album. But maybe there’s a logic there I just don’t understand.

Update on Statement from GLAAD on ABC’s Decision to
Cancel Performances by Adam Lambert
GLAAD issued the following update and clarification after some media outlets have taken today’s earlier statement out of context:

Since his American Music Awards performance occurred GLAAD has consistently advocated that Adam Lambert and openly gay artists not be held to a double standard. As we have expressed publicly, it is disappointing that ABC will not give Lambert a chance to perform at this time. GLAAD’s discussions with ABC focused on confirming that his sexual orientation was not a factor in their decisions. ABC confirmed this is not about a same-sex kiss or his sexual orientation but about being ‘caught off guard.’  GLAAD asked ABC and calls on them for clarification on ‘caught off guard’  so that the community knows why Lambert is being denied the opportunity to perform on the network.

Well that is a totally different statement then GLAAD saying ABC actions are not homophobic and they back them.

SpenserJ
12/03/2009 at 8:58 pm
happydaisy he said he liked Archie. I don’t think archie’s the best teen singer out there.alli kicks a$$ .jmo.

I don’t think he’s including Archie in that LOL. I think he means the girls. Is Archie still a teenager? (Honestly, I don’t know how he old he is).

lol .I know .before happydaisy edited her post, it said ‘see my post on the headlines thread’.it mentions Archie..,

Adam is dealing with what a lot of gays deal with in real every day life. ABC can shove it for all I care. And as far as this hurting Adams career. lol. He is having one of his outfits displayed at a Hard Rock, being interviewed by Barbara Walters, and his album hasn’t even been out a month. Adam is becoming the stuff of legend and I think people need to lighten up. This country has suppressed gays long enough and it’s getting sickening. Anyone think that maybe some gay kids who are terrified to come out might see Adams courage on t.v. and not be so ashamed of who they are.

You seriously think that either of those appearances are even remotely equal to having your name floated in the press for multiple weeks as a continuing controversy? Really? I’d like a reason for that thinking.

For me, that’s outright insane, intuitively. No media appearance should equal in buying power to ubiquity, which Adam has managed to hit for, oh, weeks. (In terms of sheer visibility, he’s been clobbering most public figures, except for maybe the president and Susan Boyle. Ok, so I’m not being serious, but you get the point) And that’s bound to be more influential, even if there’s is a pretty high difference in percentage for people who see Adam in the news and buy his album and people who see a TV appearance and buy the album. But maybe there’s a logic there I just don’t understand.

I agree with you. I noticed right after the AMA most people were against him or at least his performance. Now with all the canceling he is getting a swell of support and visibility that he otherwise would not have gotten. The other night during the BEP performance on the Grammy Nomination show the had a video montage of people mouthing the words to their song. I go a feeling when and only when they showed people cheered. I watched Bonnie Hunt Ellen and even the View and when he is being discussed now there is applause and cheers when a week ago not so much. So even though I am not happy with ABC decision and the reasoning behind it it really is a promotional coo for Adam.

GLAAD has gotten tons of bad tweets this afternoon. Maybe they are going to change their tune again?????

LOL – I looked up Archie’s birthday. He’ll be 19 in a few weeks, so apparently, he’s not a teenager either. So, I don’t think Adam offended any of the other idols.

ABC confirmed this is not about a same-sex kiss or his sexual orientation but about being ‘caught off guard.’ 

Oh for God’s sake. Is GLAAD serious? What did they EXPECT ABC to say?
I’m glad they’re getting heat for sticking up for ABC.

Lol this argument.

“It would appear that the kiss between Adam Lambert and his keyboardist did not factor into ABC’s decision ‘ ¦ ABC has a history of positive gay and transgender inclusion that includes featuring kisses between gay and lesbian couples on-air.’ 

Using THAT argument is like saying “but he’s not homophobic, he’s got gay friends!” (Or “I’m not racist, I have a black friend!” “I’m not sexist, I have a wife!”…etc)

Just sayin.

UPDATE: GLAAD tells us they have “asked ABC and calls on them for clarification on ‘caught off guard’ so that the community knows why Lambert is being denied the opportunity to perform on the network

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/03/glaad-backs-abcs-decision-to-can-lambert/#ixzz0YgMxwPIY

I just got here but noticed mj’s blurb above did not include this update from GLAAD.. which I find pertinent to the conversation. Forgive me if someone has already pointed this out. I’ll go back and read the previous posts.

Anyone think that maybe some gay kids who are terrified to come out might see Adams courage on t.v. and not be so ashamed of who they are.

I hope so. Adam has been VERY BRAVE. He is so true to himself. I really admire that.

You know, last night I was full on BSC (bat shit crazy) – I felt so mad at what seems hateful to me, so frustrated at what seems ridiculous to me, so outraged at what seems unjust to me.

And then I look at and listen to this person who is having all, ALL this, coming RIGHT AT HIM, and he is calm, positive, gracious, and funny.

He keeps going about his business, promoting the CD, giving everyone great interviews, singing like a siren when he’s “allowed,” being genuine, being appreciative, keeping perspective,and granting some (in my opinion undeserving human beings) the benefit of the doubt.

Even you critics out there, do you really not see the DECENCY in this young man (beyond the acts you deem INDECENT)?

These lyrics from “Master Plan” really get at what I mean:

Don’t “see the fake in every thing that is real”

He’s “an open book so go on and take a look.”

I love the CD and I hope he does go overseas where he’ll be appreciated and can escape the insanity that goes on in this country over acts of love and pleasure.

hi adamaloha!!! haven’t seen you in a while,either…

GLAAD tells us they have ‘asked ABC and calls on them for clarification on ‘caught off guard’ so that the community knows why Lambert is being denied the opportunity to perform on the network

Well it’s not like ABC could’ve said anything else.

‘It would appear that the kiss between Adam Lambert and his keyboardist did not factor into ABC’s decision ‘ ¦ ABC has a history of positive gay and transgender inclusion that includes featuring kisses between gay and lesbian couples on-air.’ 

Equivalent argument of ‘but he’s not homophobic, he’s got gay friends!’ 

Just sayin.

So…ABC is homophobic because you say they are. Not because of any evidence or anything.

ABC confirmed this is not about a same-sex kiss or his sexual orientation but about being ‘caught off guard.’ 

Oh for God’s sake. Is GLAAD serious? What did they EXPECT ABC to say?
I’m glad they’re getting heat for sticking up for ABC

I am, too, but I do understand why they did it, I think. ABC/Disney *has* been more gay-friendly — well, to nice, buttoned-up, highly reined in gay people, anyway — than some other entertainment companies. So I’m sure they want that to continue, so they went along. That was obviously a dumb mistake, though, so now they get to swing in the wind and attempt to placate their own constituency. Quite a mess when you’re trying to not rock the boat! It’ll be interesting to watch them further squirm to try to wiggle out of this mess over the next hours and days.

Anyone think that maybe some gay kids who are terrified to come out might see Adams courage on t.v. and not be so ashamed of who they are.

This is exactly what the homophobes are trying to avoid.

aa618892
12/03/2009 at 8:42 pm

Oh yeah there is a gay couple being portrayed on the show but the ‘kisses’  are chaste.

lol, you must have missed the episode where they entertained having a threesome with another dude. nothing chaste about the kissing scenes in that episode.
also, i don’t really think the AMA kiss was all that hot. it was the equivalent of seeing two college kids play tonsil hockey.

this thing just keeps rolling along doesn’t it? unfortunate. i almost feel like adam’s music has taken a backseat right now.

while, yes, ABC is at the forefront of portraying LGBT characters, i think they’re going too far. i didn’t care that they canceled the GMA thing since that was the morning after the AMAs, but canceling kimmel and NYE is too much.

i wouldn’t go as far as accusing the network as homophobic though.

Adam is dealing with what a lot of gays deal with in real every day life. ABC can shove it for all I care. And as far as this hurting Adams career. lol. He is having one of his outfits displayed at a Hard Rock, being interviewed by Barbara Walters, and his album hasn’t even been out a month. Adam is becoming the stuff of legend and I think people need to lighten up. This country has suppressed gays long enough and it’s getting sickening. Anyone think that maybe some gay kids who are terrified to come out might see Adams courage on t.v. and not be so ashamed of who they are.

that’d be great.but looking at the absolutely RIDICULOUS reaction Adam is getting, I don’t think his situation is that inspiring.

‘It would appear that the kiss between Adam Lambert and his keyboardist did not factor into ABC’s decision ‘ ¦ ABC has a history of positive gay and transgender inclusion that includes featuring kisses between gay and lesbian couples on-air.’ 

Equivalent argument of ‘but he’s not homophobic, he’s got gay friends!’ 

Just sayin.

So’ ¦ABC is homophobic because you say they are. Not because of any evidence or anything.

I didn’t say they were homophobic just because I say so. I said that GLAAD’s particular argument (you know, the one I referenced and quoted) as to why ABC is NOT homophobic is ridiculous because of flawed logic.

this thing just keeps rolling along doesn’t it? unfortunate. i almost feel like adam’s music has taken a backseat right now.

hmm.reminds me of how i’ve seen all the AMA shit,but haven’t gotten through all of the music interviews.

This is exactly what the homophobes are trying to avoid.

Exactly! I had a friend tell me she is not homophobic but she just don’t want it shoved in her face like that! ROFLMAO! SHOVED in her face with what shovel??? turn the tv, go out of the room, cover ur eyes. I asked if she was bound and tied to the chair when this homo activity was SHOVED in her face.

This is exactly what the homophobes are trying to avoid.

Pretty much. “It’s all you can exist, just don’t let us see it, hear about it, or be reminded of it.” Certainly how my parents dealt with it.

I find it so sad that so much venom over his performance has been spewed. I just can’t imagine whipping myself into such a frenzy of HATE over something like that. And it’s not that I can’t get on my high horse myself – just ask me about Michael Vick (I fully admit I will never forgive him re dogfighting). But we’re talking death, torture, etc vs a little lewd performance on a generally lewd show.

How tragic that THIS is America’s priority right now.

This is exactly what the homophobes are trying to avoid.

Pretty much. ‘It’s all you can exist, just don’t let us see it, hear about it, or be reminded of it.’  Certainly how my parents dealt with it.

People used to say this about not having black people moving into their neighborhoods, too. … Had nothing to do with racism. Was just about not having it shoved in their faces. …Probably quite a few still say it.

Review on the rehearsal:

“At one point, he thrusts a leather-clad male backup dancer’s face toward his crotch”

Yeah, that’s not what I call “differing greatly” from the rehearsal.

Remember when everyone was so inspired by how Adam’s parents accepted him. I just knew it allowed us to take steps forward. Now, we are going backwards. As long as gays are good little gays, it is ok. Makes me think of Matthew Shepard. It has been ten years since hatred killed him. How far have we come in ten years????

Exactly! I had a friend tell me she is not homophobic but she just don’t want it shoved in her face like that!

To which I can only reply, you know nothing about having someone’s sexuality shoved in your face until you can’t watch tv, movies, commercials, read books, newspapers, magazines, comics, listen to the radio, cds, or even go outside your house shopping, or walking in the park or down the street without it being there. Sorry, I absolutely hate that B.S.

I didn’t say they were homophobic just because I say so. I said that GLAAD’s particular argument (you know, the one I referenced and quoted) as to why ABC is NOT homophobic is ridiculous because of flawed logic.

So is ABC homophobic?

Makes me think of Matthew Shepard. It has been ten years since hatred killed him. How far have we come in ten years????

Well. Adam’s not dead.

I asked if she was bound and tied to the chair when this homo activity was SHOVED in her face.

If a person saw something objectionable, then why would they not cover their face or turn it off or something. I have seen lots of stuff (parts of the Saw movies come to mind), where I didn’t hesitate to hi-tail it out of the room. Maybe some people have slow reflexes.

So’ ¦ABC is homophobic because you say they are. Not because of any evidence or anything.

I didn’t say they were homophobic just because I say so. I said that GLAAD’s particular argument (you know, the one I referenced and quoted) as to why ABC is NOT homophobic is ridiculous because of flawed logic.

So is ABC homophobic?

I don’t want to answer, sorry, because I know that I will have to elaborate and explain my response extensively in order to make sure you don’t misunderstand me again, and I don’t feel quite up to it.

If it wasn’t calculated, why did Adam cry discrimination before it was even edited and broadcast on the west coast? He knew what he was doing. He even said he went too far. Some want to spin it differently, but this is what happened.

I thought Adam was asked by a reporter “do you think they will edit it for the west coast?” I could be wrong, but I thought Adam was only answering a question and that he didn’t actually initiate the discussion on the subject. Does anyone know for sure?

Well. Adam’s not dead.

Thank goodness but I don’t want his spirit killed either b/c of hate. If I don’t like something, I look away. I don’t seek that something out and torture myself with it. I just really don’t think I have the RIGHT to tell someone else how to live or act or behave (except my children when they were in the rearing stages).

I thought Adam was asked by a reporter ‘do you think they will edit it for the west coast?’  I could be wrong, but I thought Adam was only answering a question and that he didn’t actually initiate the discussion on the subject. Does anyone know for sure?

Yes, you are correct. It was a direct response to a question. Even the word “discrimination” was used in the question. The news agencies and people seem to forget that little detail when using Adam’s quotes.

sorry–hate to ask– I know it was a while ago,buy does anyone have a YouTube link to the MTV interview? thanks.

I don’t want to answer, sorry, because I know that I will have to elaborate and explain my response extensively in order to make sure you don’t misunderstand me again, and I don’t feel quite up to it.

Well I don’t think ABC is homophobic and there’s no evidence to support that they are. I’m just waiting for someone to prove otherwise. All these subtle implications that they are (such as disagreeing with GLAAD’s logic) isn’t proof, either.

Sherena
12/03/2009 at 9:35 pm

Makes me think of Matthew Shepard. It has been ten years since hatred killed him. How far have we come in ten years????

Well. Adam’s not dead.

So I guess homophobia has been eradicated, Gays aren’t hated, and Adam should just be appreciative that he has not suffered Matthew Shepard’s fate.

If a person saw something objectionable, then why would they not cover their face or turn it off or something. I have seen lots of stuff (parts of the Saw movies come to mind), where I didn’t hesitate to hi-tail it out of the room. Maybe some people have slow reflexes.

Or maybe they are flat out perverts and they WANT to watch it, but at the same time they feel like they shouldn’t have and want to bitch about it? I say that because DWTS and SYTYCD get WAY more than 1500 complains on every.single.episode. I’m sure it’s the same people bitching over and over again instead of reading their bibles or something.

Abc told jimmykimmel that what was going on was bigger than his show? i wonder what that means?. hope no on died in the making of that performance lol. seriously though, this just shows that it’s gotten personal. it cld be anything at this point even be that th 2 powers that be fighting and nothing to do with what adam did.

Tony
12/03/2009 at 9:44 pm

I don’t want to answer, sorry, because I know that I will have to elaborate and explain my response extensively in order to make sure you don’t misunderstand me again, and I don’t feel quite up to it.

Well I don’t think ABC is homophobic and there’s no evidence to support that they are. I’m just waiting for someone to prove otherwise. All these subtle implications that they isn’t proof, either.

Well you know I am sure there were plenty of people that said the same thing to African Americans back in the 60, 70, 80. No one is Racist there are tv programs with Blacks in them. Unless your gay Tony you really don’t have a leg to stand on. Sometimes you just know you are being discriminated against even when there is no real proof. Kind of like women know there man is cheating even if they have no proof. No matter how you want to perceive it there were other sexually charge crude imagery that night in other performances and none of them are being called on it.

Has SYTYCD ever had a male/male couple? Would they be allowed to do the same moves?

Look for crying out loud!! Adam knew exactly what he was doing when he did this AMA performance- he wanted to add shock value – didn’t want anything left out – so he has to take whatever the consequences are from this performance!!

For my personal opinion – the AMA’s were divided into 2 – those that were trying to shock & those that were there just for the music!! These performances didn’t “shock” me per se- just repulsed me- whether it was from homosexuals or hetrosexuals – I don’t care!! Just because I don’t like the antics of what Adam did – doesn’t make me homophobic – I don’t like anyone doing them – male or female!!!
Give me Kelly Clarkson, Keith Urban or Daughtry’s performance anyday- they were ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC & SINGING!!

So now Adam – your New year’s Resolution should be – to just GET ON WITH THE MUSIC!!!!

10DogMom, I’m with you! Don’t get me started on Vick.

Does anyone know why ABC didn’t utilize their 7-10 second delay during the live East Coast performance? If ABC did black out what Barbara Walters is saying the FCC MAY find “obscene” and MAY fine ABC for, would ABC still have needed to ban Adam? I still am a big Adam fan, still feel he is ultimately responsible for his actions, but am questioning a few things.
1. ABC’s possible motive in not using the delay and black out the parts of the performance that could get them in hot water with the FCC.
2. Is ABC’s “punishment” fitting the crime? And if it’s perceived as too severe why?
3. Adam has always come accross as respectful, filled with charisma, articulate, etc. He has said he recognizes this is a business (music industry) and he has to navigate it while staying true to himself. Why didn’t he take his dad’s advice or get PTB advice to immediately apologize, take responsibility for his actions, etc.?
4. Is this going to be forgotten in the long run or be ultimate career suicide? (I hope not).
5. Will fans overseas not care as much as people here do?
THoughts????

Makes me think of Matthew Shepard. It has been ten years since hatred killed him. How far have we come in ten years????

whoa…I dont think the issue is that deep…this is about public performances and issues of obscenity etc…
I do think there are double standards and that ABC is taking this too far but I also think Adam could have performed better…
I dont think its appropriate to bring violence into this issue..besides Adam has said several times he is not about politics…I am against hate crimes like most ppl but this is also taking it too far

You seriously think that either of those appearances are even remotely equal to having your name floated in the press for multiple weeks as a continuing controversy? Really? I’d like a reason for that thinking.

Well. I was giving more weight to a performance op as being influential on sales, but I’ll admit, it’s hard to weigh it. Certainly more people see the other mentions. I’m confident that stimulates sales to Idol watchers, but others? Some for sure, but no clue how much.

I hope you’re right. I’m sure I don’t know the whole story, but what they are saying is beyond ridiculous, so Im glad if Adam gets some benefit along with the annoyance of the past 12 days. It probably does feel like weeks. I certainly haven’t seen evidence that it was planned, but

Look for crying out loud!! Adam knew exactly what he was doing when he did this AMA performance- he wanted to add shock value ‘“ didn’t want anything left out ‘“ so he has to take whatever the consequences are from this performance!!

I think it is the extensiveness of the consequences that has everyone in an uproar. How many times do you punish a child that acts out??? Once and then it is done! Repeated punishment consittutes abuse of authority.

Well I don’t think ABC is homophobic and there’s no evidence to support that they are. I’m just waiting for someone to prove otherwise. All these subtle implications that they isn’t proof, either.

Tony, ABC’s #1 concern is ratings so it can sell ads. The execs, themselves, don’t have to be homophobic. But, if they are concerned about the homophobia of their viewers or their sponsors and cater to that, that’s discrimination based on homophobia. Years ago, an inter-racial couple couldn’t kiss on TV because it would be “offensive” to the sensibilities of the viewers. That was racism. That doesn’t mean the people who ran the networks were racist. But, they gave into the pressures of society to protect their own entity.

Adam’s performance was OTT. But, the network had approved of everything but the kiss and the faked BJ with the MALE dancer. They even approved the fingering of the female dancer. (Supposedly, there were supposed to be fireworks when he tugged on her g-string.) So, honestly, what other conclusion can people draw? And what is up with the network telling Jimmy Kimmel this whole thing is bigger than his show? What whole thing? It was a kiss and a face to the belly button.

Sometimes you just know you are being discriminated against even when there is no real proof.

I find it so interesting that people see ABC’s actions as homophobia, instead of punishment. Maybe people feel as if Adam should just do whatever the hell he wants.

For my personal opinion ‘“ the AMA’s were divided into 2 ‘“ those that were trying to shock & those that were there just for the music!! These performances didn’t ‘shock’  me per se- just repulsed me- whether it was from homosexuals or hetrosexuals ‘“ I don’t care!! Just because I don’t like the antics of what Adam did ‘“ doesn’t make me homophobic ‘“ I don’t like anyone doing them ‘“ male or female!!!
Give me Kelly Clarkson, Keith Urban or Daughtry’s performance anyday- they were ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC & SINGING!!

This I could agree with. My issue is not that people think his performance was crude but that so where others and that seems to be ok. That is where the double standard is and where people I think get too caught up with the actual performance. Heck I didn’t even like the performance so I am not defending it in of itself but as if one is aloud then so should he be.

tony–I see it as punishment up to a point. Now, its turning into something more….

So now Adam ‘“ your New year’s Resolution should be ‘“ to just GET ON WITH THE MUSIC!!!!

You mean like going on the Kimmel show and peforming, or performing on NYE, speaking of resolutions. That’s what Adam had been trying to do, Tweeted about, was making nice contrite noises on Ellen and the next day…ABC yanks musical peformance. Which they have a right to do for a variety of financial reasons, but for Adam this does make the controversy drag on and if he’s going to do appearances, and he needs to, they’re going to want to talk about the latest reason. I think Adam agrees with you and would have loved to have instead done Kimmel/NYE and started talking his music on shows and not this on-going, unfortunately, controversy.

Eh, Tiger won’t get to talk about is golf for awhile either. It’s the nature of ‘scandal,’ and the press.

Sometimes you just know you are being discriminated against even when there is no real proof.

I find it so interesting that people see ABC’s actions as homophobia, instead of punishment. Maybe people feel as if Adam should just do whatever the hell he wants.

It could easily be both punishment and homophobia that influenced their reactions. Not necessarily that ABC is homophobic themselves, but that they’re pandering to the homophobia of the general public. The punishment is b/c Adam’s performance was vulgar and scandalous, right? Well, I doubt it would’ve been perceived as SO vulgar and scandalous if his bj’s and kiss were all with female dancers, not male ones.

It doesn’t have to be an either/or situation.

@JIMDOGSILKIES
12/03/2009 at 9:51 pm

Those are all excellent questions that I feel all of us who adore Adam wish we had the answers to.

Tony
12/03/2009 at 9:54 pm

Sometimes you just know you are being discriminated against even when there is no real proof.

I find it so interesting that people see ABC’s actions as homophobia, instead of punishment. Maybe people feel as if Adam should just do whatever the hell he wants.

Tony I think you are looking at it too literally. I do not condone his performance (in fact I did not like it) but there were 4 other performance that were as crude or obscene and none of them are being taken to task. They where performed during a earlier time period. So I don’t agree that Adam or ANYONE should be aloud to do whatever the hell they want but once you let others but not Adam then yes homophobia does come into play

I hope that Adam gets an awesome gig for NYE! He deserves it and so do his fans!

Anyone remember when Madonna lifted up her dress during a performance of Vogue and let a guy crawl under it. You can all say what you want but this is discrimination and the ones saying Adam deserves being blacklisted should be ashamed.

It could easily be both punishment and homophobia that influenced their reactions. Not that ABC is homophobic themselves, but that they’re pandering to the homophobia of the general public.

So there’s no way to punish Adam without it being influenced by homophobia?

That’s a pretty sweet deal for Adam. Do something reprehensible, get punished and cry homophobia.

“Does anyone know why ABC didn’t utilize their 7-10 second delay during the live East Coast performance?”

Lucy and I were discussing this very thing in another thread. The use of the delay is easy. Being caught off guard is a lie. So what really went on? We’ve batted around the idea that ABC did this on purpose and the possibilty of that really angers me.

On the bright side, that Ellen video is all kinds of hilarious. Love her. Hollywood also seems to have taken pretty well to Adam and seeing fans show up wherever he is shows me he wont have too hard a time filling clubs up when he starts having performance dates. I am so past this ABC stuff, it is so not the end of the world for him. There are only oh,2000 channels on cable. And a big HELL YEAH for those international sales, with almost no promo. So he lost Kimmel, gained Leno, lost NYE (i dont know anyone who watches except for the final countdown anyway) and gained Conan. Hosting a bunch of Jingle Balls (guarantee ya he will belt something out on stage anyway) and beat out Taylor Swift for his most fascinating person slot with Babs (well deserved by the way, sorry i just cant take this kiddy dominated radio era, gimme real music). I dont know but something tells me he’ll be just fine, (whether millions of albums or singles are sold or not).

Wasn’t that on MTV?

Does anyone know why ABC didn’t utilize their 7-10 second delay during the live East Coast performance?

This is a BIG question. Why didn’t ABC do their job?

Anyone remember when Madonna lifted up her dress during a performance of Vogue and let a guy crawl under it. You can all say what you want but this is discrimination and the ones saying Adam deserves being blacklisted should be ashamed.

She did lots of crazy stuff. I remember when the song “Like a Virgin” came out and I was SHOCKED by the word “virgin”. I loved her though and it is so funny to me now. I guess I’ve come a long way baby!

It could easily be both punishment and homophobia that influenced their reactions. Not that ABC is homophobic themselves, but that they’re pandering to the homophobia of the general public.

So there’s no way to punish Adam without it being influenced by homophobia?

That’s a pretty sweet deal for Adam. Do something reprehensible, get punished and cry homophobia.

When he’s being “punished” for sexual acts, then yes, I do believe we can’t take homophobia out of the equation. For other transgressions? We can.

OMG that clip for Ellen…….awesome is an adequate description for it…….just WOW!!!!

Tony
12/03/2009 at 10:01 pm

It could easily be both punishment and homophobia that influenced their reactions. Not that ABC is homophobic themselves, but that they’re pandering to the homophobia of the general public.

So there’s no way to punish Adam without it being influenced by homophobia?

That’s a pretty sweet deal for Adam. Do something reprehensible, get punished and cry homophobi

Tony on some level in today’s climate that is true until all things are equal that will always be a possibility. You really think that Adam or any gay person thinks that’s a sweet deal. Just lets us know we are not considered equal.

I don’t like anyone doing them ‘“ male or female!!! Give me Kelly Clarkson, Keith Urban or Daughtry’s performance anyday

uh, sorry to break the news, but this is a matter of taste. I don’t watch Awards to only listen to music and see boring speeches. If I want to listen to Melinda Doolittle or Adam I’ll play their songs on my computer, the sound will be better anyway. When I sit down to watch a tv show I want… a show. Prince, Michael Jackson and Led Zeppelin style. JMO.

OMG that clip for Ellen’ ¦’ ¦.awesome is an adequate description for it’ ¦’ ¦.just WOW!!!!

It’s so cute, right? Love her silly expressions. She did have a fascination with Adam’s tongue thing! HA!

It’s not a question of whether he deserved punishment or not.

It’s a question of whether the punishment is equivalent to the punishment of heterosexual performers who perform equally risque acts.

For an analogy. A white man steals a piece of candy. A black man steals a piece of candy. The black man is fined $10. The question is not whether he deserved to be fined for stealing the candy, but whether the fine is equal to the fine the white man received.

This is a BIG question. Why didn’t ABC do their job?

I’m telling you, delay-button-guy is in a shallow grave somewhere right now. Someone needs to investigate. But no one will believe me. I’m worried about that guy. I think I’ll call the guys at 20/20.

Maybe this is what is happening: ABC is in big trouble for not using the delay and allowing some of the other stuff that WAS rehearsed to be shown, (leashes, fingers on the girls butt….) and to avoid some big fines they are making deals…”We won’t have him on again if you lower the fine” or something like that?

Adam singing Ellen’s 12 days of Christmas just makes me smile!! This is the Adam I love. He truly is AMAZING and I really could listen to him sing the phone book! Am I crazy for wanting to put this on my ipod!!!

SpenserJ
12/03/2009 at 10:05 pm

This is a BIG question. Why didn’t ABC do their job?

I’m telling you, delay-button-guy is in a shallow grave somewhere right now. Someone needs to investigate. But no one will believe me. I’m worried about that guy. I think I’ll call the guys at 20/20.

ROTFLMAO!

ScorpioBSB
12/03/2009 at 10:02 pm
Does anyone know why ABC didn’t utilize their 7-10 second delay during the live East Coast performance?

This is a BIG question. Why didn’t ABC do their job?

Me too! Been wondering for days. Maybe they let that person go home early that night?!

The punishment is b/c Adam’s performance was vulgar and scandalous, right? Well, I doubt it would’ve been perceived as SO vulgar and scandalous if his bj’s and kiss were all with female dancers, not male ones.

So no one can have an opinion anymore? You have to ENJOY every aspect of homosexuality, otherwise you’re homophobic?

Yes, it’s clearly ABC’s fault for not censoring Adam quicker. Oh wait, doesnt not censoring him make them less homophobic. Oh shit, I’m getting confuzzled.

Adam singing Ellen’s 12 days of Christmas just makes me smile!! This is the Adam I love. He truly is AMAZING and I really could listen to him sing the phone book! Am I crazy for wanting to put this on my ipod!!!

No you’re not! Adam’s performance is gorgeous.

That’s a pretty sweet deal for Adam.

wow… nice.

There is a new video on AO posted where Adam describes that “fan encounter” with that girl who started moaning and wanted to make out with him LOL its pretty funny..yall should check it out if u wanna have a nice laugh…its right on the main page if you scroll down a bit:
http://www.adamofficial.com/us/home/

Crazy biatch!!

To me it is NOT homophobia at play here, but a matter of what is considered crude and too much for network television. Picture if you will, Chris Daughtry for instance, giving this same ott performance. Picture a younger Elton John or George Michaels…heck, picture anyone for that matter. Would Chris be punished for his heterosexuality or would Elton John or George Michaels be punished for the homosexuality as part of a critique on the same performance? I think not. These examples would have been punished or not on the same criteria. The suits, the viewers, the sponsors…..pro or con…..are just all weighing in on their own perceptions of decency. (just as we are doing here on the blog…weighing in on the matter). Unfortunately, there are a lot of power players in the network and sponsorship. And on it goes…….

Being caught off guard is a lie. So what really went on? We’ve batted around the idea that ABC did this on purpose and the possibilty of that really angers me.

So what you’re saying here is that it’s totally okay that Adam totally went off-script, where he supposedly just went with the moment and forgot himself, but it’s not okay when somebody in the booth freaks out and forgets to bleep/edit it out.

Both are examples of not being alert or cognizant of things around you, right? But it’s excusable because it’s Adam?

This is a BIG question. Why didn’t ABC do their job?

Why didn’t Adam do his? Oh sorry, he did do the (blow) job, which is why we’re all discussing it even up to now.

The punishment is b/c Adam’s performance was vulgar and scandalous, right? Well, I doubt it would’ve been perceived as SO vulgar and scandalous if his bj’s and kiss were all with female dancers, not male ones.

So no one can have an opinion anymore, otherwise you’re homophobic. You have to ENJOY every aspect of homosexuality, otherwise you’re homophobic?

Whoa. When did I say you had to enjoy every aspect of homosexuality? I just said that ABC’s response is influenced by the popular furor over the performance, which was influenced by homophobia.

Although now that I think about it, ABC themselves could’ve fueled that b/c they bleeped out the male on male BJ on the West Coast feed, while leaving in the male on female action.

There’s no such thing as bad press. ABC may as well send out free copies of FYE to all their viewers, because they are selling it for him 247! Tiger Woods is the only person getting more press than Adam. People who had never heard of Adam know who he is now, and many will check out his music to get their ‘dirty’ on. The Ed Sullivan show banned Elvis’s hips thrusting, The Beatles had records banned and burned after John Lennon said they were bigger than Jesus, certain people wanted to crucify Madonna after she burned crosses and kissed a black Jesus in her ‘Like a Prayer’ video, and now Adam Lambert gets kicked off a network! This is the stuff of legend. If him and his PR team planned the whole thing I simply say…KUDOS. If it was not planned…work it like it was! I LOVE ADAM LAMBERT!

Has this great article been posted already?

“Stop Burning Adam Lambert at the Stake”

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2454940/stop_burning_adam_lambert_at_the_stake.html?cat=2

“Adam has proven to be nothing but a very professional and consistent performer. He is also a twenty-seven year old man trying to navigate the fame game in a very treacherous environment. Adam’s talent should have all who love music in awe instead he is being marginalized. How dare ABC and how dare America for your relapse into some of the darkest days in our history.”

Adam totally went off-script

I don’t know about totally off script. More forceful than rehearsal maybe, but check out this excerpt from a review of the rehearsal:

“At one point, he thrusts a leather-clad male backup dancer’s face toward his crotch”

Sounds like the exact same move to me.

And sounds like ABC’s just covering for themselves.

Objecting to any sexual act depicted on network TV makes you a homophobe or a pearl clutcher. Let’s see Adam already did the S/M leash thing, bj and gave the audience the finger. I guess we still have anal sex, oral sex on a female and lots of added kink to look forward to for next year’s AMA.

Nobody better bitch when it happens because they’re just h8trs.

So what you’re saying here is that it’s totally okay that Adam totally went off-script, where he supposedly just went with the moment and forgot himself, but it’s not okay when somebody in the booth freaks out and forgets to bleep/edit it out.

Absolutely not saying that at all…If it was the guy in the booth, SAY it was the guy in the booth and blame it on human error. Don’t use the Gay guy to cover for the guy in the booth.

Repeated punishment consittutes abuse of authority.

It’s not punishment. It’s a business decision. There are three other networks that he could appear on. Being on television isn’t a right.

I didn’t like Adam’s AMA performance, but I dislike groups like the Liberty Counsel more. They alone probably weren’t responsible for the cancellations, but I’m sure they are patting themselves on the back.

I find it so interesting that people see ABC’s actions as homophobia, instead of punishment. Maybe people feel as if Adam should just do whatever the hell he wants.

Punishment for what, Tony? Exactly what is Adam being punished for by being blackballed from every TV show on one network? What was his crime?

Objecting to any sexual act depicted on network TV makes you a homophobe or a pearl clutcher.

Not at all. The idea is that it only makes you a homophobe if you object more to a gay sexual act on network TV than to a straight one.

And it’s not like it’s evil to be a homophobe either. Everyone’s subconscious and conscious biases are fueled by the culture they live in, after all, and American culture has a ways to go on this point.

You have to ENJOY every aspect of homosexuality, otherwise you’re homophobic?

Who said enjoy? Don’t project your own problems and create stuff that isn’t there. And if you think two men shouldn’t be doing something that a male and a female do on TV yes, you are. Deal with it.

” Picture if you will, Chris Daughtry for instance, giving this same ott performance.”

GAAAAAAAAH! The thought of Chris and his shiny bald head doing anything remotely sexual makes me want to give myself a lobotomy.

Sometimes you want a little visual stimulation with your music (like with, say, OPERA) and there’s nothing wrong with that kind of a performance, if done well. Adam just did not pull it off, for various reasons, and so had a bad night.

He was no different in that respect from many others at the AMA (Janet, Shakira, Rhianna) who were also disasters with tacky numbers. Carrie’s was slightly sleazy. I personally thought Adam’s was not worse than those, but I guess others disagree. And I still think a 16 year old (Miley) pole-dancing is way more offensive.

DLee
12/03/2009 at 9:49 pm
Has SYTYCD ever had a male/male couple? Would they be allowed to do the same moves?

Season 5 they had a same sex ballroom couple during the auditions who were pretty bad & Nigel made some stupid comments about not being ready for Broke Back Ballroom. He took a ton of heat on twitter for it & he apologized. Season 6 they had a same sex ballroom couple who were quite good. Nigel thanked them for showing him what good same sex ballroom looks like. They put them through to choreography & one of them made it through to Vegas.

Adam has a very hard time taking any criticism without responding. This has caused him some grief with his quick claims of discrimination & his comments about not being a babysitter. He should have apologized to ABC for any changes he made in the performance. Instead it took him a full week before he showed any remorse for his going ‘too far.’ So was that because he found out what was happening with his sales or more details about the FCC investigation?

Either way it can’t possibly be poor little Adam’s fault. It has to be homophobia, right?!

Thanks sneezepaddle! *feeling teary*

I just said that ABC’s response is influenced by the popular furor over the performance, which was influenced by homosexuality.

Or maybe because Adam is simply unapologetic over the fact that ABC was forced to censor him.

And ABC themselves bleeped out the male on male action on the West Coast feed, while leaving in the male on female action’ ¦

There were no male-on-female BJs. Nothing to censor.

I just said that ABC’s response is influenced by the popular furor over the performance, which was influenced by homosexuality.

Or maybe because Adam is simply unapologetic over the fact that ABC was forced to censor him.

What does Adam’s response have to do with this? I was analyzing ABC’s response and the public’s response, not Adam’s.

Bottom line is that Adam put ABC in a bad position due to the “surprises” in his performance. They are now left to clean up the mess he caused so I don’t blame them for canceling his scheduled appearances. He is an adult and made the choice not to follow the rehearsed performance and now he needs to live with the consequences of his actions.
This has nothing to do with homophobia and everything to do with performers thinking they can do what ever they want. It was an honor for Adam to be asked to perform and he basically gave ABC the big F-U.
Adam is not being mistreated, he broke trust with ABC and as such needs to suffer the repercussions of that.

And ABC themselves bleeped out the male on male action on the West Coast feed, while leaving in the male on female action’ ¦

There were no male-on-female BJs. Nothing to censor.

There was Adam basically fingering a woman. It was nasty and unnecessary, in fact I found it nastier and more unnecessary than the crotch nuzzle. Which is why I would a.) liked neither to be in the act b.) if you’re going to censor one, hell yes you should censor the other. I don’t personaly think what ABC has been doing was due to homophobia, BUT that part was kind of suspcious and yeah, bad choice for them to do just one, the male/male one and not the equally icky female/male one.

But wait, I know, I’m just wearing my Adam goggles again. mmmmhmmm.

At one point, he thrusts a leather-clad male backup dancer’s face toward his crotch’ 

Just like a peck is different from a kiss to a tonsillectomy, “thrust towards” is different from “smashing his face in” or “making him choke on it.”

If it was the guy in the booth, SAY it was the guy in the booth and blame it on human error. Don’t use the Gay guy to cover for the guy in the booth.

But has it been established that the issue really was the booth guy? I’m just responding to the scenario someone posited above.

There were no male-on-female BJs.

You meant female-on-male, right?

What does Adam’s response have to do with this? I was analyzing ABC’s response, not Adam’s.

Adam: I stand by what I did and I refuse to apologize.
ABC: Fine. We’ll keep canceling your performances until you apologize and give us reason to believe that you won’t do it again.

This is my analysis of ABC’s response.

At one point, he thrusts a leather-clad male backup dancer’s face toward his crotch’ 

Just like a peck is different from a kiss to tonsillectomy, ‘thrust towards’  is different from ‘smashing his face in’  or ‘making him choke on it.’ 

So you’re saying the difference is that in the real performance, Adam’s crotch made contact with the dancer’s face, whereas in the rehearsal, it almost made contact but didn’t necessarily do so?

Well that’s a difference. But it’s not Adam throwing in a whole new script that ABC didn’t know of. It’s just him executing the same move, more forcefully and for a longer period of time. ABC makes it look like they didn’t know about any face to crotch gestures at all, which is incorrect.

I’ve been on vacation from my job all this week and I’m tellin’ ya, for a network that is supposedly either homophobic or being cowed by the oh so powerful (yet obscure) Liberty Counsel, I’ve seen more positive representations of homosexuality and gay couples on ABC this week than any of the other three networks combined. Half of OLTL today was devoted to the gay marriage/political storyline. Last night’s “Modern Family” included the adoptive parent gay couple prominently, and I could go on and on. Yet when ABC, in a business decision, decides to cut ties with Adam, it is because the powerful and gay friendly Disney company is running scared because a few wingnuts at the Liberty Counsel might hassle their sponsors? Over Adam? Yet they risk the wrath of those same people week after week and month after month via their scripted tv shows? Nah, doesn’t make any sense.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the truth: Adam burned and pissed off ABC and they said “Your welcome for the promotion on the AMA’s. Anyway, see ya kid. Maybe we’ll work with you down the road someday.”

“but it’s not okay when somebody in the booth freaks out and forgets to bleep/edit it out.”

That’s what the director, the technical directors and assistant directors are paid for. Believe me with a show this big there isn’t just one person who missed removing that image. There were several people who I believe made a conscious decision to leave the BJ in the east coast feed. To me the question is why.

It was an honor for Adam to be asked to perform and he basically gave ABC the big F-U.
Adam is not being mistreated, he broke trust with ABC and as such needs to suffer the repercussions of that.

It was a HUGE honor. Huge!

While the performance to me was whatever, I don’t understand the finger part. I’d really like to understand that. But I probably never will.

There were no male-on-female BJs. Nothing to censor.

Sure there was. Adam had Courtney’s face against his crotch and gave her a hump. That’s a simulated BJ. Wasn’t censored.

Adam went for shock value and got more than he bargained for. It was never “all about the music” with him before, so why should it be now? He didn’t get those RS and Out covers for his music, he got them because he is gay. Specifically, he got the RS cover because he played his cards smartly and saved the “official” coming out party for their exclusive. Being gay is part of what gets him attention, like it or not, and just like it’s impossible to say exactly how much of the positive attention is due to his orientation and how much is due to his charisma, it’s impossible to say exactly how much of the negative attention post AMAs is due to latent homophobia and how much is due to the generally vulgar nature of his performance. It’s a futile debate because no matter how many examples people give of vulgar acts performed by others on TV, that won’t change the bottom line – Adam’s performance crossed a line ABC didn’t want crossed and didn’t see coming. ABC can do whatever it pleases, it’s their prerogative, it’s their airtime and their sponsors. No matter how many semi-obscene performances fans dig up, it won’t change the bottom line for Adam. Trying to make this into a discrimination case isn’t helping Adam, IMO, it’s only assuring that others will think twice whether they want the potential headache of being called bigots if anything didn’t pan out as planned with Adam.
And meanwhile, no one is talking about the music… but what else is new?

Adam: I stand by what I did and I refuse to apologize.
ABC: Fine. We’ll keep canceling your performances until you apologize and give us reason to believe that you won’t do it again.

This is my analysis of ABC’s response.

So you’re saying ABC’s response was purely because Adam didn’t offer them an apology? Adam DID say he wouldn’t do something like that again and he was moving in a new direction, AND then delivered three straightforward performances of WWFM to show his new direction, so the sticking point is the apology.

Well that’s a refreshing view. It’s also completely divergent from their public statement right now. I wonder why they won’t reveal THAT reason if it’s actually the real reason, since that reason doesn’t indicate homophobia at all.

I’m tellin’ ya, for a network that is supposedly either homophobic or being cowed by the oh so powerful (yet obscure) Liberty Counsel, I’ve seen more positive representations of homosexuality and gay couples on ABC this week than any of the other three networks combined.

Well who’s covering their bootie? Look at us, we are so cool and non-homophobic. Good grief.

I’ve seen more positive representations of homosexuality and gay couples on ABC this week than any of the other three networks combined. Half of OLTL today was devoted to the gay marriage/political storyline. Last night’s ‘Modern Family’  included the adoptive parent gay couple prominently

That argument is like saying “I have gay friends, therefore I can’t possibly be homophobic.”

ABC is not necessarily homophobic, but that argument doesn’t prove anything.

Eeks. In my earlier post, I meant “giving the finger part” to differentiate my thoughts from what some others have posted.

That’s what the director, the technical directors and assistant directors are paid for.

So that’s their job, right? And they supposedly didn’t do what was expected of them…

So who else else didn’t do what was expected of them?

Adam: I stand by what I did and I refuse to apologize.
ABC: Fine. We’ll keep canceling your performances until you apologize and give us reason to believe that you won’t do it again.

This is my analysis of ABC’s response.

Nope. That is too much of a simplictic view of the situation. If that was the case, most people would be banned. Being sensored and banned are two different things. PLUS, Adam has done other performances since that. Besides, if Adam is such a bad guy, the other networks would blacklist him too and they’re not.

On another note, I notice ABC is blaming Adam for this and not the FCC. this is obviously ABC’s decision and not the FCC.

Well who’s covering their bootie? Look at us, we are so cool and non-homophobic. Good grief.

OK. Seriously LMAO. Do you have any idea how much time in advance those shows need to be written, filmed and edited to get to our TV screens? The answer is – way way (way) long before the AMAs. Way.

That argument is like saying ‘I have gay friends, therefore I can’t possibly be homophobic.’ 

ABC is not necessarily homophobic, but that argument doesn’t prove anything.

But it does tend to suggest that they aren’t likely to give a rats ass about the Liberty Counsel over their objections to Adam considering what is on their network on a weekly basis. The FCC maybe, but any FCC issues are Adam’s fault. Which would justify ABC telling him not to let the door hit him in the ass on the way out.

And if (IF)ABC is spooked about losing sponsors if they feature Adam, I’d suggest they aren’t under any obligation to make a bad business decision for themselves just to make Adam happy. It’s a free country: artists aren’t entitled to be on television shows, sponsors don’t have to advertise on certain networks, and people don’t have to buy certain products or watch ABC. Even with this scenario, there’s nothing foul happening, it’s still business and people making the decisions, from the bottom up, that THEY want to make.

Adam and ABC will hug it out sometime in the next couple of years and both will benefit from it. Just watch.

Bottom line, ABC is not being homophobic. He screwed up, ok, take away his morning concert and nye. Bad Boy. But why all the drama and silence and why force kimmel not to have him when the guy wanted him on the show (i watch kimmel and he talked about adam alot throughout the year). Thats just flexing their muscles and bullying some artist who most people still dont even know his name (beyond this internet stuff). He’s a small fish, i dont know why theyre bothering bringing attention to it. I dont think other artists or people (at least no one i know ) actually care.

Here’s Kara’s take on it:

Kara DioGuardi understands why ABC pulled the plug on Adam Lambert.

“We’re living in a pretty bad economic time, so they have to do what they have to do to keep their advertisers,” DioGuardi tells me exclusively. “Networks are doing what they think their viewers want and don’t want, so it’s just budgetary.”

That said, the American Idol judge didn’t see anything wrong with Lambert’s controversial man-on-man performance at the American Music Awards.

“We always know he’s going to shock us, right?” she says. “He’s going to wow us and give us the unexpected, and that’s his thing…That’s what we look for.”

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/marc_malkin…has_banned.html

On another note, I notice ABC is blaming Adam for this and not the FCC. this is obviously ABC’s decision and not the FCC.

Where is that?

That argument is like saying ‘I have gay friends, therefore I can’t possibly be homophobic.’ 

ABC is not necessarily homophobic, but that argument doesn’t prove anything.

But it does tend to suggest that they aren’t likely to give a rats ass about the Liberty Counsel over their objections to Adam considering what is on their network on a weekly basis

True.

So you’re saying ABC’s response was purely because Adam didn’t offer them an apology? Adam DID say he wouldn’t do something like that again and he was moving in a new direction, AND then delivered three straightforward performances of WWFM to show his new direction, so the sticking point is the apology.

If someone wrongs ME and doesn’t tell ME how they regret their wrongdoing, I don’t consider it an apology. More like a half-assed one.

“I won’t do it again” doesn’t mean you’re sorry.

Well that’s a refreshing view. It’s also completely divergent from their public statement right now. I wonder why they won’t reveal THAT reason if it’s actually the real reason, since that reason doesn’t indicate homophobia at all.

How is it completely divergent? I assume that ABC canceled Adam because they say that they cannot trust him to stick to the script on their network.

Why is everyone so eager to crucify ABC. Adam was WRONG, and ABC is taking the heat for it. Nothing about a bj is art when it is on newtork TV. Sorry it (and most of the acts on the AMA’s) were sleeze. Adam was taken to task because he WENT TOO FAR. He had a perfect opportunity to shine with this extrordinary opportunity and HE BLEW IT.
So sad with all the problems in the world, this seems to be the headlines. Adam knew he was wrong. He even admitted it. I guess hype sells though and he is getting a lot of it. Too bad if he wants to be an artist (his own words) he has to resort to this. The music doesn’t matter any more. It about who can get the most hype. Adam is not the VICTIM here. He brought this on himself.

Thats just flexing their muscles and bullying some artist who most people still dont even know his name (beyond this internet stuff). He’s a small fish, i dont know why theyre bothering bringing attention to it.

This is really true where I live. No one I know and see regularly even know this happened.

Ok, let me get this straight.

ABC cancels Adam so Adam just appears EVERYWHERE else and EVERYWHERE else gets HUGE ratings that ABC won’t get.

Seems to me like ABC is punishing themselves. I fail to see how this damages Adam in any way.

Adam: I stand by what I did and I refuse to apologize.
ABC: Fine. We’ll keep canceling your performances until you apologize and give us reason to believe that you won’t do it again.

And ya know, that’s a fine response. The only thing that seems odd to me, is why they didn’t cancel everything up front. They promoted the Kimmel appearance long after the AMA’s, then made tickets available, then cancelled it inside of 24 hours. That’s the part I find strange. Almost like they booked him on Kimmel, just to be able to un-book him.

I haven’t changed how I’ve felt about ABC since we first started discussing this last week. They have every right to make business decisions and they have every right to cancel a performer who goes off script. Not everyone here is accusing ABC of homophobia. I watch several shows on ABC where I think same sex couples are depicted more realistically than on other networks.

So, the Kimmel thing is weird to me. And also, it’s odd to me that ABC won’t give anything but the most curt and vague statement. They do have 100 PR experts on staff. They should at least say something.

No one really knows what ABC’s motivations are, regardless of our opinions. No one even knows if the FCC has started any kind of investigation. Everyone has a right to their opinion, even if it’s pretty out there.

Also, I just want to point out that there is nothing obscure at all about the Liberty organization – or the network of like minded organizations they mobilize with to influence policy.

Other than that – the 12 days of giving thing with Ellen was pretty cool. Ellen is just an adorable human being. I love her show.

The guys in the booth didnt block it out cause they were too turned on to press the damn button!!!!!!!!!!

If this is OTT, please delete. It is a positive feel good thing for me. My husband who is just grrrr…… listened to Adam’s cd today. He actually liked several songs in spite of his annoying self! We both liked the pictures in the cd — Adam has some great shots in the cd art. Also, Adam has a really sweet “thank you” to all of his collaborators, friends, family etc, in the cd jacket.

I’m glad I bought the “hard” copy just to have that.

In one of the pics, my husband said that Adam looked like a vampire. I think Adam looks like a vampire in his For Your Entertainment video, when he is first walking into the underground club. Both Stephanie Meyers and Ann Rice, kind of refer to vampires as gliding a long. It’s really cool imagery. I hope Adam gets a song on the Eclipse soundtrack. I also think Adam would be a killer actor! Maybe as a vampire???

How is it completely divergent? I assume that ABC canceled Adam because they say that they cannot trust him to stick to the script on their network.

They did say that.

But you say they canceled Adam because Adam didn’t apologize to them. That’s not the same thing.

So you’re saying ABC’s response was purely because Adam didn’t offer them an apology? Adam DID say he wouldn’t do something like that again and he was moving in a new direction, AND then delivered three straightforward performances of WWFM to show his new direction, so the sticking point is the apology.

If someone wrongs ME and doesn’t tell ME how they regret their wrongdoing, I don’t consider it an apology. More like a half-assed one.

‘I won’t do it again’  doesn’t mean you’re sorry.

I didn’t say Adam apologized. I said he didn’t. That part of my response was in response to YOUR post in which you indicated that the two reasons were 1) no apology and 2) no “reason to believe that you won’t do it again.” I was responding to the second part, not the first one.

It’s a bit hard to keep up with this conversation when you keep changing your argument/ ignoring what you said before.

Can’t wait for the days when we can go back to flailing.

“So that’s their job, right? And they supposedly didn’t do what was expected of them’ ¦
So who else else didn’t do what was expected of them?”

Not sure since the simulated BJ was in the rehearsal and we’ve been told repeatedly that the kiss was not the problem even though that was the only thing that was off script. Adam performed and the crew was required to make judgment calls regarding what could be shown. These people are professionals. They clearly know what they’re doing but yet the BJ, which was in the script, was shown even though ABC probably knew they would be in this position by not omitting it. There’s no way anyone in that booth accidentally missed omitting the BJ.

I don’t get tired of that Ellen clip. Hearing Adam’s voice sing like that just makes me forget all this other crap. The audience reaction when Ellen says his name is astounding. This wasn’t even the show he was on but a regular audience and they sure gave him some love. This is why I think this will all blow over eventually. Adam’s talent is just too immense and his album just too good to not overcome this.

Can’t wait for the days when we can go back to flailing.

Has that stopped?? Not in my house…it’s a disaster because all I want to do is read about Adam. This has been going on for far too long!!!! But I got the Christmas lights out. I pry myself away from MJ’s every now and then.

i am hopefull he’ll tour in other countries for a long long time.
I see much love and acceptance in other counties.

There’s no way anyone in that booth accidentally missed omitting the BJ.

Hello peeps who work in t.v. Maybe they were having a snack.

I didn’t really understand the international sales chart someone linked. Was that total sales worldwide? (Includes the U.S., right?)

Regarding ABC: I get why they did what they did, but I totally disagree with those who think a contrite apology would have caused them to stop at one cancellation. Hell no, IMO and he would have been a liar if he had apologized because he really wasn’t sorry he did it. Now he’s sorry he offended anyone, but I think he thinks (and this is just my opinion because obviously I’m not in his head) that an apology for his performance “antics” including the bj is an apology for being gay.

does anyone really believe that adam would go on jimmy kimmel and do anything inappropriate? i remember reading after the AMAs that even the complainers didnt think that cancelling adam’s GMA performance was warranted…and now they are continuing to cancel all the performances..because of what?

you can tell from each interview..and i dont know how he stays so grounded and so articulate and stoic through each and every one..that it is something that he wouldnt do again..that it is a learning process. if he doesnt crack from all this pressure, i think he will survive in this
business a long long time.

and i agree, ABC promoted his performance almost outwardly begging for something soo over the top. and they got it…they should have been prepared with the delay button.

i didnt agree with his performance, but i dont love and admire him any less. i think he is an unbelievable talent and after the way he is handling the backlash of this whole mess, my feelings have only solidified what i always thought…he is and will always be my favorite idol and now favorite celebrity.

Isn’t this the Jimmy Kimmell of “I’m f-ing Ben Affleck” fame? Way more racy than Adam’s AMA show. And isn’t his show pre-recorded in the afternoon?

‘Does anyone know why ABC didn’t utilize their 7-10 second delay during the live East Coast performance?’ 

Lucy and I were discussing this very thing in another thread. The use of the delay is easy. Being caught off guard is a lie. So what really went on? We’ve batted around the idea that ABC did this on purpose and the possibilty of that really angers me.

This has been my question all along. There are MANY performers who “go off-script”.

-Fox had to edit the BEPs on AI last year. The EBP (edit-button-person) did their job.
-Green day went “off-script and sang the f-word on GMA. The EBP didn’t do their job. ooops
-Pink went “off-script” and crammed a guy’s face in her crotch. We “think” the EBP did their job. (there is conflicting info)
-Adam went off-script and crammed a guy’s face to his belly-button and gave someone the finger. The EPD edited THE FREAKING SOUND on the face plant. ooops
The EPD edited the flip-off.

How are these things different? The reaction time of the edit-button-person.
Oh-and the media attention and punishment given to one of the performers.

They did say that.

But you say they canceled Adam because Adam didn’t apologize to them. That’s not the same thing.

ABC can’t trust Adam……because he won’t apologize, possibly. It perfectly reasonable for someone to not trust the other party until they apologize. Otherwise, they have every reason to believe that they’ll repeat the reprehensible behavior.

I didn’t say Adam apologized. I said he didn’t.

I know that you said that Adam didn’t apologize. And, IMO, that is where the problem exists.

That part of my response was in response to YOUR post in which you indicated that the two reasons were 1) no apology and 2) no ‘reason to believe that you won’t do it again.’  I was responding to the second part, not the first one.

They aren’t two reason; it’s a combined reason: “Until you apologize (1), we have reason to think that you’ll do it again (2)”

The guys in the booth didnt block it out cause they were too turned on to press the damn button!!!!!!!!!!

Bwahahahaha! What was funny, Miss Chaos, is how they pushed the WRONG button! They cut out the sound. I LOLed about that.

does anyone really believe that adam would go on jimmy kimmel and do anything inappropriate? i remember reading after the AMAs that even the complainers didnt think that cancelling adam’s GMA performance was warranted’ ¦and now they are continuing to cancel all the performances..because of what?

1.Because from a business perspective they feel he’s more trouble than he’s worth right now
2.Because he pissed them off after they made him the centerpiece of the AMAs
3.Because they might have to pay FCC fines because of him.

and I could add five or six other possibilities. The bottom line is they aren’t obligated to have him around and don’t seem to think his presence benefits them at this time. It doesn’t matter if it’s overkill, punitive, or what have you. They don’t owe Adam anything. He’s not entitled to appear on their network.

I don’t get tired of that Ellen clip. Hearing Adam’s voice sing like that just makes me forget all this other crap. The audience reaction when Ellen says his name is astounding. This wasn’t even the show he was on but a regular audience and they sure gave him some love. This is why I think this will all blow over eventually. Adam’s talent is just too immense and his album just too good to not overcome this.

ITA …….. ultimately it all comes down to the voice, that awesome voice. Gah…..

Ellen is so smitten with Adam. It’s wonderful to see and to know he’s got her in his corner!

ITA ‘ ¦’ ¦.. ultimately it all comes down to the voice, that awesome voice. Gah’ ¦..

Ellen is so smitten with Adam. It’s wonderful to see and to know he’s got her in his corner!

I agree!

Ellen is so smitten with Adam. It’s wonderful to see and to know he’s got her in his corner!

Isn’t she, though? She’s an Adam stan, for sure.

From today when Adam was at the Hard Rock in San Diego

http://bit.ly/7kfLAC

Watch the blurs-luv Adam’s responses and the crowds responses.

Seriously, this has NOTHING to do with an apology. He has been gracious about ABC from the start. Saying only good things and that he did not blame them because he went off the rails. As an artist he has to stand by what he does, i wouldnt apologize either. Its the direction he went in and whats done is done. ABC is just punishing the misbehaving child by not helping to promote him anymore. No big rocket science here. He’ll be on next year and theyll pimp him again when enough time has gone by for him to have learned his lesson.

We’ve learned the hard way—the global sales chart is pretty much worthless. It’s people estimating global sales, not based on hard data except for the US numbers.

I think that ABC’s statement was pretty damn clear: They are angry that AL went off script and added sexual content. Why they waited to pull the other promo might have to do with statements that he was making that accused ABC of discrimination for editing out the fake fallation and that made it sound like he was proud of having gone off script. It may be that he could have salvaged this by making statements from the get-go more like what he did on Ellen’s show, but it was too late.

does anyone really believe that adam would go on jimmy kimmel and do anything inappropriate?

ABC isn’t saying they are scared he would do something inappropriate, just that they cannot book him at this time. There’s definitely something else going on here.

Again I say, what Adam should apologize for???? The fake BJ?? The Kiss? The Crotch fingering? The men on harnesses? All of the above? AMA didnt know about any of these? Or maybe for the whole stinking show where everyone else was doing their sexual crap. Damn he has nothing to apologize for, What, say I am sorry I was a bad boy? Ug ABC you are punishing him because you can.

The guys in the booth didnt block it out cause they were too turned on to press the damn button!!!!!!!!!!

Best thing I’ve read all night! Followed closely by this:

Bwahahahaha! What was funny, Miss Chaos, is how they pushed the WRONG button! They cut out the sound. I LOLed about that.

Maybe they’re saving the butt of some big wig’s nephew who used the wrong censoring button! LOL!

I have always felt that Adam is taking full responsibility for his performance and is maybe protecting some of the folks that choreographed and directed it. I feel the only changes were in intensity. The fake bj with the guy I feel was in the original set, but not as obvious, more like the insinuated one he does with the girl dancer on the steps. The kiss is the other thing, where in rehearsals he just pull Tommy head back and leans to play like he’s going to kiss him, only on the ama night he gets carried away and actually does it. ABC has a lot of ass covering to do, IMO, they act so innocent but the played his act up as being OTT and sexy and if they knew that you’d thought that someone would have had a finger on the censor button, they could have done that all night as his wasn’t the worst of the evening, My sister and I both thought that Shakira was the worst of the night. What bothered me most was that the sound was so bad and he didn’t sing as well as we know he can. In my opinion the whole night was rather a disappointment.

Eminem put a new song on the internet called Elevator. His new lyrics include Adam- “Sorry, Lance, Mr. Lambert and Aiken ain’t gonna make it. They get so upset when I call them both faggots” How nice. He gets to call people fags, call women whores and rap about rape. I love him, when is GMA booking again?

It doesn’t matter if it’s overkill, punitive, or what have you. They don’t owe Adam anything.

QFT.

He fucked up. he pissed them off, he’s disinvited. Consequences.

The AMA broadcast hyped his performance all night as being shocking and something we’d be talking about tomorrow. Even if a few of his actions (kiss, crotch thrust) were “in the moment” they were not much different from the rest of his “approved” performance. Nor was it much more suggestive than other artists’ performing that night and on countless other awards shows. The whole thing strikes me hypocrisy.

And Glaad are just pathetic. Get rid of these uncle tom’s already.

Adam namechecked in an Eminem song is awesome. Now he’s really made it. lmao. and yes im being serious. Eminem may be gross and a douche but he only raps about other celebs so i say congrats Adam. You have officially been christened. lol.

Just saw your post Jojosie – what can I say great minds think alike

He has been gracious about ABC from the start.

Revisionism. I seem to recall “That would be discrimination” right after the performance wrapped. Not very gracious.

Adam namechecked in an Eminem song is awesome. Now he’s really made it.

Yup, just like Clay Aiken and Lance Bass.

Meh…I’m officially exhausted arguing this subject. I’m bowing out.

Eminem put a new song on the internet called Elevator. His new lyrics include Adam- ‘Sorry, Lance, Mr. Lambert and Aiken ain’t gonna make it. They get so upset when I call them both faggots’  How nice. He gets to call people fags, call women whores and rap about rape. I love him, when is GMA booking again?

Ughh….. so Lance, Adam and Clay are doomed. That’s sad.

I say Adam is not doomed. He is so hot !

I have always felt that Adam is taking full responsibility for his performance and is maybe protecting some of the folks that choreographed and directed it. I feel the only changes were in intensity

Yes! I have absolutely wondered why no one in Adam’s camp reined in the choreographer. If for no other reason, so that Adam would be able to sing well!

From today when Adam was at the Hard Rock in San Diego

http://bit.ly/7kfLAC

Watch the blurs-luv Adam’s responses and the crowds responses

Great response to Adam in San Diego. He looked awesome in spite of being sick. Way to go Adam!!!

I am tired of this ABC thing, everything has been said back and forth hundreds of times. I just want to hear about his CD and upcoming tour.

nvm

I seem to recall ‘That would be discrimination’  right after the performance wrapped. Not very gracious.

That was the way the interviewer put the question to him. “If they edit this for the West Coast, do you think it would be discrimination?”
Adam’s answer, “Yes, I think it would be discrimination because women have been doing these kinds of sexually charged performances for the past 20 years.”

ABC can’t trust Adam’ ¦’ ¦because he won’t apologize, possibly. It perfectly reasonable for someone to not trust the other party until they apologize. Otherwise, they have every reason to believe that they’ll repeat the reprehensible behavior.

I’m sorry, but this assumes the corporate entity known as ABC makes business decisions based on emotions. I mean I guess I could see it if it were between two people, but if I’m an ABC shareholder and they’re making decisions based on crap like apology received/not received, I’m outta there quick!

I’m not buying the “he didn’t apologize” theory.

Chelsea Handler just invited Adam to come on her show whenever he wants!!! Do IT!!

i wonder if CBS will have him present or perform at the grammys

some good news: Adam tweeted earlier or retweeted about the signed CDs up for auction by VEVO but proceeds being donated to Donar’s Choose.
RT @VEVO: The signed @adamlambert CD’s are up for auction! http://bit.ly/5TBi5D Proceeds go to @donorschoose. Enjoy, from your friends @VEVO

There are three CD’s all of them are bidding at least $300 each. It has only been 2 hours.

Haha I think thats awesome that Adam’s in an Eminem song… more offended that hes grouped with Clay Aiken lol.

Eminem put a new song on the internet called Elevator. His new lyrics include Adam- ‘Sorry, Lance, Mr. Lambert and Aiken ain’t gonna make it. They get so upset when I call them both faggots’  How nice. He gets to call people fags, call women whores and rap about rape. I love him, when is GMA booking again?

Eminem is an example of someone who built his career on controversy and starting beef with people. He’s going to sell a ton too unfortunately. I hope Adam ignores him. He’s not worth it.

I think that’s really cool that Jimmy Kimmel’s show tried to keep Adam on board. Good for him and the show.

Adam and Clay should not be put in the same sentence. Sorry!!!!! lol

From today when Adam was at the Hard Rock in San Diego

http://bit.ly/7kfLAC

Watch the blurs-luv Adam’s responses and the crowds responses

Great response to Adam in San Diego. He looked awesome in spite of being sick. Way to go Adam!!!

Looked like a great home town welcome. I like the way he said he had answered those questions over and over and it’s time to move on.

ABC can’t trust Adam’ ¦’ ¦because he won’t apologize, possibly. It perfectly reasonable for someone to not trust the other party until they apologize. Otherwise, they have every reason to believe that they’ll repeat the reprehensible behavior.

Poor poor ABC. I mean all those tapes of theirs must be as invisible as their delay guys. Because Kimmel is taped, so the issue of trust, is nonexistent. And I mean that for ABC, btw. So poor poor ABC can’t rely on their editors to make sure that Adam doesn’t just somehow escape the tape and somehow make it on air. Adam IS that dangerous. Yeah, no.

I like the way he said he had answered those questions over and over and it’s time to move on.

A very good point Adam!

Adam namechecked in an Eminem song is awesome. Now he’s really made it.

Yup, just like Clay Aiken and Lance Bass.

Yup, and Jennifer Lopaz, Mariah Carey, Christina Augrilera, etc.

I like the way he said he had answered those questions over and over and it’s time to move on.

A very good point Adam!

Yeah. ABC is the ones not moving on.

Chelsea Handler just invited Adam to come on her show whenever he wants!!! Do IT!!

I love Chelsea. Her show is fabulous. I wish it was an hour instead of a half hour though.

His new lyrics include Adam- ‘Sorry, Lance, Mr. Lambert and Aiken ain’t gonna make it. They get so upset when I call them both faggots’ 

I’m so torn about Eminem. I think he’s a creative genius with some really great songs. But, I hate when he uses words like that. I mean, say fuck all you want, but leave out the words that hurt thousands of people.

Adam IS that dangerous

Well in a different sort of way. He should come with a warning label-HAWT!

I dont know if this was posted anywhere but Adam has been announced as a guest host at the Jingle Ball in Minneapolis Dec 6th.

“The Dave Ryan in the Morning Show on 101.3 KDWB JUST ANNOUNCED ADAM LAMBERT WILL BE THE GUEST HOST AT KDWB’S JINGLE BALL 2009!”

And ya know, that’s a fine response. The only thing that seems odd to me, is why they didn’t cancel everything up front. They promoted the Kimmel appearance long after the AMA’s, then made tickets available, then cancelled it inside of 24 hours. That’s the part I find strange. Almost like they booked him on Kimmel, just to be able to un-book him.

This is what, to me, looks the most like threats or implied threats by advertiser(s) to pull ads, very possibly at the behest of the usual suspect groups. Less than 48hrs after the Kimmel booking became public, it became not about morning performances (GMA) anymore, but something vague from the Kimmel people (not ABC itself, I don’t think) and “it’s bigger than the show” from a quoted ‘insider.’

This is just so much more reasonable to me than ABC getting all personal and just plain angry and vindictive.

Adam’s latest tweet:

Wow eminem mentioned me in a song?! I must be doin something right!? Even if he used the f word…. Whtev

I’m so torn about Eminem. I think he’s a creative genius with some really great songs. But, I hate when he uses words like that. I mean, say fuck all you want, but leave out the words that hurt thousands of people.

I don’t know. Maybe he isn’t being hurtful, but just pointing out the injustice of those that would say that kind of thing???

Adam tweeted

adamlambert: Wow eminem mentioned me in a song?! I must be doin something right!? Even if he used the f word…. Whtev

Eminem = white trash! The most disgusting thing I have ever seen on television was that Borat/Eminem thing at the VMAs last year. Its kind of weird cable can do anything they want. What’s the reasoning behind this?

I don’t know. Maybe he isn’t being hurtful, but just pointing out the injustice of those that would say that kind of thing???

lol. He’s doing it to get a rise out of people. He likes people saying stuff about him, whether bad or good. He doesn’t care. The worst stuff he says, the more cd’s he sells. He has to outdo Susan Boyle this time around!

Adam namechecked in an Eminem song is awesome. Now he’s really made it.

Yup, just like Clay Aiken and Lance Bass.

Well it’s not like there’s a lot of gay male pop stars to compare him to. Adam is one of a rare breed.

ABC can’t trust Adam’ ¦’ ¦because he won’t apologize, possibly. It perfectly reasonable for someone to not trust the other party until they apologize. Otherwise, they have every reason to believe that they’ll repeat the reprehensible behavior.

Wow, does ABC need a hug to make it feel better? Maybe if Adam brought Disney/ABC flowers afterwards. Maybe a Tickle Me bouquet? Where is Merlin Olsen when you need him?

lol. He’s doing it to get a rise out of people. He likes people saying stuff about him, whether bad or good. He doesn’t care. The worst stuff he says, the more cd’s he sells. He has to outdo Susan Boyle this time around!

Well maybe… I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt. If it was a mean spirited comment then I say screw “the genius”. It’s easy to be mean. Really easy….

Adam tweeted

adamlambert: Wow eminem mentioned me in a song?! I must be doin something right!? Even if he used the f word’ ¦. Whtev

lol he’s not angry! Hurray. Dnw bitchy defensive Adam, not against Eminem because Eminem is the queen of bitchy defensive and if you get into a feud with him he’ll never let it die. And this is coming from someone who used to love Eminem.

I think if you read that tweet without context it sounds like Adam means that Eminem said the f word as in “fuck,” which is kind of funny b/c it makes Adam seem like a word prude when he’s totally not.

Chelsea Handler just invited Adam to come on her show whenever he wants!!! Do IT!!

I love Chelsea. Her show is fabulous. I wish it was an hour instead of a half hour though.

OMG YES!! ME TOO!!! I lover her show and it would be awesome if she interviewed Adam…we could use some comic relief right about now…
and LOL @ Eminem, hes just trying to get attention by being offensive as usual and frankly his antics are getting old (although I must say that recent song where he dissed Mariah Carey is pretty damn good..hes someone u dont want to piss off)…
ugh I just think hes a type of ‘artist’ you eventually outgrow….
after a while its just not amusing..and his latest album is weak compared to his previous ones…
Adam did a clever thing to mention it, so as to divert attention from the ABC drama

I dont know if this was posted anywhere but Adam has been announced as a guest host at the Jingle Ball in Minneapolis Dec 6th.

‘The Dave Ryan in the Morning Show on 101.3 KDWB JUST ANNOUNCED ADAM LAMBERT WILL BE THE GUEST HOST AT KDWB’S JINGLE BALL 2009!’ 

Why is adam hosting all these jingle balls across the country ??

Eminem is the queen of bitchy defensive

One thing Adam and him have in common.

jambajim

@adamlambert Wow that’s pretty current for Em. Usually he’s like 18 months late w/ his pop culture references. U made him step up his game!

lol

Eminem is the queen of bitchy defensive

So Eminem and Adam, totally made for each other.

You could say so. Which is why I’m glad Adam has a sense of humor about Eminem’s new song, f-word or not, b/c it could’ve gotten ugly otherwise. But Adam knows Eminem’s schtick.

Or perhaps you’re saying they’re ~made for each other~ in other ways? Umm…don’t mention that to Eminem! haha

I like the way he said he had answered those questions over and over and it’s time to move on.

Yes, I loved it too! Now, I hope he starts squashing all the gay questions, too. I want to talk about the music!

Luv Jim right now.

jambajim

@adamlambert Wow that’s pretty current for Em. Usually he’s like 18 months late w/ his pop culture references. U made him step up his game!

I’m so torn about Eminem. I think he’s a creative genius with some really great songs. But, I hate when he uses words like that. I mean, say fuck all you want, but leave out the words that hurt thousands of people.

I so agree with you.

Eminem tries to start feuds with people just to keep his name out there. Thank gosh Adam didn’t bite.

Adam is getting invites all over the place and his singles are doing better, so fingers crossed! I’m done with the AMAs.

Its kind of weird cable can do anything they want. What’s the reasoning behind this?

Isn’t it because broadcast networks go over the public airwaves? And yeah, the separation of network and cable stations makes less and less sense in the age of cable TV.

I’m so torn about Eminem. I think he’s a creative genius with some really great songs. But, I hate when he uses words like that. I mean, say fuck all you want, but leave out the words that hurt thousands of people.

I’ll live with it. If I’m going to pick a bone with Eminem, it’ll be about his highly graphic songs about murdering his (now ex) wife or even about Slim Shady’s “17 rapes”… as for his word choice, eh. That’s the least of my worries when it comes to Eminem.

Lately I just think he’s gotten really lame and childish, but I used to really like him back in his peak. Even then though, I was torn about liking him sometimes.

ABC can’t trust Adam’ ¦’ ¦because he won’t apologize, possibly.

Good gawd. It sounds as if ABC and Adam were lovers. Send them a dozen roses and make it all better, Adam.

Honestly? This has gone beyond ridiculous. But, you know what? I think ABC has a history of being reactionary. Wasn’t Bill Maher’s “Politically Incorrect” on ABC? And didn’t they can him for one misstep shortly after 9/11?

Eminem is an ass!

I don’t think ABC is losing any sleep over banning Adam.

I keep reading that Kimmel is not live. I’m pretty sure it is live on the East Coast & tape delayed on the West Coast which is why they call it Jimmy Kimmel Live. It may be recorded 1 hour early because it plays at different times in different markets. Letterman records at 5pm EST. I don’t know about Conan but when Leno did the Tonight show he recorded at 5pm PST.

I think if you read that tweet without context it sounds like Adam means that Eminem said the f word as in ‘fuck,’  which is kind of funny b/c it makes Adam seem like a word prude when he’s totally not.

maybe faggot is more offensive than the other f word for Adam. I can totally see Adam (palm on mouth) saying ‘OMFG, he used THAT f word!!!’

jambajim

@adamlambert Wow that’s pretty current for Em. Usually he’s like 18 months late w/ his pop culture references. U made him step up his game!

lol

Now that’s funny. Good one!

ADAM ON THE RADIO NOW http://www.channel933.com/mediaplayer/?station=KHTS-FM&action=listenlive&channel_title=

I think if you read that tweet without context it sounds like Adam means that Eminem said the f word as in ‘fuck,’  which is kind of funny b/c it makes Adam seem like a word prude when he’s totally not.

maybe faggot is more offensive than the other f word for Adam. I can totally see Adam (palm on mouth) saying ‘OMFG, he used THAT f word!!!’

Well of course. Fuck really isn’t that offensive of a word, Adam uses it all the time. I just think it’s funny that it seems like he’s taking issue with the word fuck

I guess I don’t get Eminem’s music. It just sounds like BLeep Bleep Bleep from beginning to end. Are there ever any words???

Adam will be on 93.3 FM at 9 pm PST (about 5 min from now)

here’s link for live stream

http://www.channel933.com/mediaplayer/?station=KHTS-FM&action=listenlive&channel_title=

I think this whole AMA appearance by Adam would work out great…..as a lounge show in a gay bar….and one that I would enjoy. However, how this entire display of sado-masochism made it past the first rehearsal is beyond me. Spin it any way you want, but prime time (yes…in the central time zone) is not ready for this.

I suspect that RCA and the rest of his team need to use the same harnesses on him that he used on the dancers to rain him in. A lot of people, not just Adam, suffered from this mental lapse. What a great opportunity wasted.

ABC stations in the Central and Mountain time zones may very possibly be fined by the FCC for broadcasting indecent content between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. The FCC has received complaints by individuals as well as special interest groups regarding Adam’s AMA performance and they have no recourse but to review the performance and make a determination. The FCC can take as long as it wants to come to a decision – it may even be years before they decide to impose fines.

The following is a good example of how long it can take. The FCC fined 52 ABC stations in Central and Mountain time zones in 2008 for an episode of NYPD Blue that aired in 2003. The fine was $1.4 million and that amount was considered to be lenient. It could have been much more. The article also mentions the fines that Fox received for the 2002 and 2003 broadcasts of the Billboard Music Awards in which Cher and Nicole Richie used variations of the F bomb. There was no mention of Pink’s performance because it was blanked out and therefore was not seen in the US broadcast. BTW, Fox successfully appealed the FCC ruling:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/01/fcc-spanks-abc-for-nypd-blue-rump-shot.ars
FCC spanks ABC for NYPD Blue rump shot

I believe ABC is trying to avoid any FCC fines by distancing themselves from Adam. By not allowing him to appear on their network (other than Barbara Walters which was already in the can) they’re showing the FCC that they take this matter seriously and that they’re taking no chances that it will be repeated. I don’t think it’s going to work – I fully expect them to receive fines.

I also believe ABC is infuriated with Adam because the crotch grab was off script and, since they didn’t know it was going to happen, they couldn’t blank it out in time. The FU finger at the end didn’t help matters since it appeared to be aimed at ABC. Sadly, I doubt Adam will be appearing on their network any time soon.

And while Chelsea Handler gets kudos for inviting Adam on her show, it should be pointed out that ABC was incorrectly identified as the ones who blurred the photo of the kiss (and this is not the first time Chelsea and her roundtable of comedians have talked about the situation as though ABC is reacting largely to the kiss; in fact, this is the first time I’ve seen them mention any other sexual aspect of the performance besides the kiss). I’m not annoyed by it, as I love both Chelsea and Ross Matthews and it was clearly an innocent mistake, but I’ve seen other people in the media get slammed around here for making equally innocent mistakes when the overall context is a comment that people perceive to be less supportive of Adam.

I’m with Ross on the awful song being the offensive part of the performance, though, heh.

Why is adam hosting all these jingle balls across the country ??

LOL is he this year’s Nick Lachey?

Adam will be on 93.3 FM at 9 pm PST (about 5 min from now)

here’s link for live stream

http://www.channel933.com/mediaplayer/?station=KHTS-FM&action=listenlive&channel_title=

he will be guest DJ. He’d be there sooner. I don’t know how long I can tolerate those songs.

ETA, he is on NOW.

Nice article titlled STOP BURNING ADAM AT THE STAKE by the Associated Content:

http://bit.ly/8MBcbJ

so Eminem’s just another one trying to jump on Adam’s coat tails … he probably wants to duet with Adam at the next big awards show .. just like the Eminem/Elton John duet thing with “Stan” at the Grammys

Isn’t it because broadcast networks go over the public airwaves? And yeah, the separation of network and cable stations makes less and less sense in the age of cable TV.

In my limited understanding, I’ll try to explain it. Cable is different because people pay for it and thus can pretty much get anything they want. But there should always be some public airwaves that are somewhat free, that can be seen by all, and they have stricter standards and it really does make sense but I can’t explain it well. The government has a say in what is shown on network public tv, it is different than cable.

Like radio, the airwaves there are limited and the use of airwaves should be fair to the public and not be monopolized by any one kind of music, but should fairly represent all kinds of music, and there are standards there too, also overseen by government agencies. This is to protect those public airwaves for us all.

I hope someone else can explain it better.

LOL is he this year’s Nick Lachey?

Well Adam can actually sing. He is uber talented.

so Eminem’s just another one trying to jump on Adam’s coat tails ‘ ¦ he probably wants to duet with Adam at the next big awards show .. just like the Eminem/Elton John duet thing with ‘Stan’  at the Grammys

haha. you have to admit that could be an epic performance.

ABC stations in the Central and Mountain time zones may very possibly be fined by the FCC for broadcasting indecent content between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m.

Not Mountain.

And what was more indecent about Adam’s performance than several others?

And why does Central time air shows an hour early? If a show or portion of a show is meant for 10 p.m., why does it get aired at 9 p.m.? Why should the entire network be blamed for that? If the affiliates in Central Time make the choice to air 10 p.m. programs at 9 p.m, shouldn’t they be the ones responsible? The FCC has designated 10 p.m. outside “safe haven.” Why is it that Central Time affiliates disregard this? Do. Not. Understand.

But we’re talking death, torture, etc vs a little lewd performance on a generally lewd show.
How tragic that THIS is America’s priority right now.

But technically, it’s the people protesting the censorship that are prolonging the issue and making it into a big civil rights priority. Any article against Adam is generally a response to the protests. Given the number of egregious examples of discrimination that happen in this country against gays, I think it’s a bit surreal that people decide to rally behind the guy who who is upset about being censored for simulating a blow job and giving America the finger on national TV. That is the real tragedy. I have very close family members who are gay and I’ve watched them deal with so many forms of bigotry that generally go unnoticed. When people start carelessly crying discrimination when it doesn’t really apply, it really hurts the cause of those who have legitimate complaints. And that is what bothers me the most and that is why I keep posting on this topic.

For an analogy. A white man steals a piece of candy. A black man steals a piece of candy. The black man is fined $10. The question is not whether he deserved to be fined for stealing the candy, but whether the fine is equal to the fine the white man received.

Just a “piece” of candy? Not a whole one? People get fined for that? Anyway, the analogy doesn’t even work here because no one has produced a good “white man” example to counteract what Adam did. Pink? Censored. Britney, Madonna and Xtina? They kissed and Adam’s kiss wasn’t censored. The dancing with stars example is ridiculous IMO. I guess Adam is a true pioneer. He simulated a blowjob, fingered a female and gave everyone the middle finger all in one performance and apparently no one has gotten away with doing that to date.

ETA: I think it’s OK to say Eminem is a homophobe.

ABC stations in the Central and Mountain time zones may very possibly be fined by the FCC for broadcasting indecent content between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m.

We can fix this whole thing! Let’s just change the time zones! ROFLMAO at Adam saying he is on both of Santa’s list. YAY! Playing WWFM!

I also believe ABC is infuriated with Adam because the crotch grab was off script and, since they didn’t know it was going to happen, they couldn’t blank it out in time. The FU finger at the end didn’t help matters since it appeared to be aimed at ABC. Sadly, I doubt Adam will be appearing on their network any time soon.

Sigh…
Many artists “go off-script”. That’s why you have the 10 second delay. ABC got the finger, but not the crotch plant. If ABC had edited the visual, instead of the vocal part of the the crotch plant-would the FCC be involved?

Finally he is doing radio promo…I think had he done this for FYE the singke would have been more successful on radio…as a general rule I dont think that single is representative of the music his fans were expecting but I think its a good song but they relied too heavily on the AMA’s…idk some ppl dont seem to like FYE at all but I think its fun and the video is hot…
cant wait for him to tour

East Coast & tape delayed on the West Coast which is why they call it Jimmy Kimmel Live. It may be recorded 1 hour early because it plays at different times in different markets. Letterman records at 5pm EST. I don’t know about Conan but when Leno did the Tonight show he recorded at 5pm PST.

Nope. It’s not some rolling thing where parts of the country are live and others aren’t. It’s ALL taped. Not the least of which is that Jimmy Kimmel is LA, three hours BEFORE East Coast time. “Jimmy Kimmel Live! is an American late-night talk show, created and hosted by Jimmy Kimmel and broadcast on ABC.

The nightly hour-long show made its debut on January 26, 2003, following Super Bowl XXXVII. Jimmy Kimmel Live! is produced by Jackhole Productions in association with ABC Studios (formerly Touchstone Television). The TV Guide Network used to rebroadcast the previous night’s episodes at 7:00pm Eastern Time, but this has since been discontinued. Westwood One, through 2008 and most of 2009, carried radio highlights of the show under the name “Great Moments with Jimmy Kimmel,” but these were dropped in September 2009 in favor of highlights from The Jay Leno Show.

Jimmy Kimmel Live! is no longer truly “live”; instead, it is taped at 7:00 pm Pacific Time on the day of broadcast (two hours before it reaches air on the East Coast), except in the event of reruns. On rare occasions, though, it airs a special live edition, usually after the Academy Awards ceremonies.

It is the only late-night (talk show) program in the United States that doesn’t tape in the afternoon,[1] and has become the longest running ABC late-night talk show since The Dick Cavett Show in the early 1970s. On April 14, 2009 after the March sweeps break, the show began broadcasting in 720p HDTV.[2]”

SourceI linked this before, and while not a fan of it as a genuine research tool, but go check out the offical site for tickets to the taping of the “live,” show

No, tiger92, the FCC would not be involved. I would not be surprised if the guy who was monitoring the live performance got in major trouble for screwing that up. It doesn’t change the fact that he went off-script and then said that he was proud that he had done so. If he doesn’t go off-script, there is nothing to edit, and no one in the booth messes it up.

ETA #1: That looks about right to me, Oceana.

ETA #2: This is not a situation where stations in the Central Time Zone just randomly decided, hey, let’s just show the AMAs off of the East Coast feed, just an hour early! The Central Time Zone routinely airs with the East Coast feed. I used to love that about living in the Central Time Zone. Prime time stuff done by 10 pm, late night stuff done by midnight or earlier.

What did Conan say about Lambert tonight? Someone said he gave him a shoutout!

The history of prime time TV…dating back into the 50′s…has eastern time from 8pm to 11pm……central from 7pm to 10pm. This probably has to do with the limitations of network transmissions in the early years. Thus… shows are advertised as 8 eastern and pacific/7 central.

Also, whether other acts violated the FCC rules has no bearing at all on Adam’s performance. If they did, the FCC will fine ABC for them too. Somehow, I don’t think that was the case!

Not Mountain….

And why does Central time air shows an hour early? If a show or portion of a show is meant for 10 p.m., why does it get aired at 9 p.m.?

I don’t know what you mean by “not Mountain”, but both Mountain and Central have primetime one hour earlier than Eastern and Pacific, and AFAIK, this has always been the case. Given that, I don’t think you can characterize it as a show being meant for 10 p.m. Shows always announce their times as something like “10pm eastern, 9pm central” and everyone knows that also means 9pm Mountain, 10pm Pacific. What’s weird is for the FCC to have a ruling dependent on an hour that is primetime in most of the country.

In any case, the hour thing is a non-starter with respect to the AMA, in my opinion. The performances were sexually charged throughout, and, IMO, Adam’s was no more so than many that came before. Any decision that his was some how more suggestive than earlier ones is simply arbitrary. That’s ok when it comes to particular people’s opinions – I knew a child who was totally revolted by the sight of someone kissing a baby – but since tastes vary, people need to just not watch shows that are offensive to them. In a show where performer after performer was being sexually suggestive, anyone still watching by the time it got to Adam only has themself to blame.

I suspect that RCA and the rest of his team need to use the same harnesses on him that he used on the dancers to rain him in. A lot of people, not just Adam, suffered from this mental lapse. What a great opportunity wasted

Who do you think wrote the song? Who picked this song for the AMAs? Who designed the set? Who did the choreography? Who designed the costumes? (Adam is not the answer to any of these questions.)

Who signed off on the S&M imagery and costumes? (ABC) Who signed off on the leashes? (ABC) Who promoted it as “shocking”? (ABC)

Adam is owning it and taking full responsibility, when he could be pointing these things out!

Anyone still watching by the time it got to Adam only has themself to blame.

I can get behind this, so to speak. Accountability. Those who got offended by the time Adam came on got what they deserved. And by pushing the envelope and not sticking to the agreed upon choreography, the subsequent fallout and the punishment, whether harsh or not, is all on Adam.

I’ll say it once again….if ABC had done their job-utilizing the 7-10 sec. delay, none of this would be an issue. Why is Adam taking all the heat. This is the reason that was set into place. What happened? Why is no one asking that question?

Just a ‘piece’  of candy? Not a whole one? People get fined for that? Anyway, the analogy doesn’t even work here because no one has produced a good ‘white man’  example to counteract what Adam did. Pink? Censored.

Being censored is not the same as being banned from an entire network.

On the one hand, I see your point that a lot of the stuff before was tasteless. Here’s the thing, and this is the honest truth:

I was watching other stuff (Amazing Race, which ran over half and hour, then I got sucked into the show after that), and switched over to the show during Green Day’s performance at right around 10:30. So, I saw nothing problematic until the FYE performance. Someone like me could have been surprised.

And I don’t remember anything that problematic last year. I remember Pink’s two performances including one with Sarah McLachlan, Annie Lennox, Coldplay, and Taylor Swift singing White Horse. I recall Rihanna singing off-key and wearing an eye-patch and the Pussycat Dolls being tacky, but nothing that came close to FYE levels of tastelessness.

If he doesn’t go off-script, there is nothing to edit, and no one in the booth messes it up.

Correct! And since history has shown us that MANY performers have gone “off-script”, the responsibility lies with the network. That’s why live shows have delays and edit people. Someone screwed up at the edit board and ABC is held responsible.

Why is Adam taking all the heat.

Because if he didn’t do it, then the delay wouldn’t have had to be engaged.

ABC can’t trust Adam’ ¦’ ¦because he won’t apologize, possibly.

Good gawd. It sounds as if ABC and Adam were lovers. Send them a dozen roses and make it all better, Adam.

HA HA HA

One last post to just say this is all so ridiculous it’s moved into the theatre of the absurd, which Adam could probably tell you all about, given his training.

I was just happy to hear WWFM on Nine at Night, tho I missed most of the interview. I hope Chanukah Harry brings Adam lots of #1 singles this year!

nighty night

Bingo, hypertwink. ABC and its stations will be the ones with the cost of investigation and, if fined, to pay the fines. They’ll have the legal costs of that. And they are the ones who may take hits from sponsors. So, yeah, ABC and the stations are bearing a cost from the failure to censor the fake fallatio from the East Coast feed.

But if AL had never done it, then there would have been nothing to censor. As Lynda said eloquently in the other thread, he didn’t merely improvise—he crossed a line with the fake fallatio. Sure, ABC’s booth should have done a better job of monitoring and editing, but they wouldn’t have had to do so if he hadn’t crossed that line. As a performer he had a duty to know where the line was and not cross it, especially not without clearing it first.

And who knows who all is taking whacks behind the scene? If I had to guess, lots of people have been taking heat for this screw up. Just because we’re not getting a press release identifying who has been reamed out for this, maybe even fired, doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

I’ll say it once again’ ¦.if ABC had done their job-utilizing the 7-10 sec. delay, none of this would be an issue. Why is Adam taking all the heat. This is the reason that was set into place. What happened? Why is no one asking that question?

ITA! And I’m asking the same thing!

As a performer he had a duty to know where the line was and not cross it, especially not without clearing it first.

Pink didn’t know it! BEPs didn’t know it! They just had better censors.

It’s the network’s responsibility.

The time delay to allow “bleeping” was put in place for “unforseen” violations of the FCC rules. IMHO, Adam’s act in it’s entirety was way over the line and should have been killed at rehearsal…..for visual reasons. I would say the same thing about M&M’s for aural reasons. Why even telecast something you know is going to have to be bleeped?

Knowing that a performance is borderline and depending on the “bleeper” is courting trouble.

You can’t boost that Adam is allowed great artistic freedom and then bitch when he is called for violating FCC rules. It says either that he is ignorant of the rules or that he just chooses to ignore them.

Crotch…. Let’s say it all together, “crotch”… I feel better now. lol

bonsoir.

. IMHO, Adam’s act in it’s entirety was way over the line and should have been killed at rehearsal’ ¦..for visual reasons.

Who’s job was this?

Why even telecast something you know is going to have to be bleeped?

Who decides on what to telecast?

It says either that he is ignorant of the rules or that he just chooses to ignore them.

Then so is Pink, Green Day, BEP,Eminem, etc.

I’ll say it once again’ ¦.if ABC had done their job-utilizing the 7-10 sec. delay, none of this would be an issue. Why is Adam taking all the heat. This is the reason that was set into place. What happened? Why is no one asking that question?

I wonder how many people they have in charge of the delay button? There was so much going on in that performance that it was difficult to focus on everything. I’m sure the censor folks were pulling their hair out and I really believe the bleep was supposed to be a delay.

Really though, if Adam had included the face to crotch move in his rehearsal, the delay button guys would have been prepared. Alternately, if Adam had stayed on script, the FCC may have still received complaints but ABC would be at fault for allowing the performance, not Adam.

Nice article titlled STOP BURNING ADAM AT THE STAKE by the Associated Content:

http://bit.ly/8MBcbJ

While I agree with the premise of that article, it is embarrassing to read that as an Adam fan. It is full of typos, and IMO the writer stoops low to bring in comparisons to other (supposedly inferior) artists, bring up the whole “textgate” conspiracy theory, and even worse, calling out the FCC as being against the Constitution. It almost had me in tears until I got to the second paragraph, where it turned into an angry rant.

A lot of interesting theories in this thread.

I personally didn’t have a problem with the “fake fellatio” move at all, and certainly not the kiss which I actually loved, but I’m feeling very sorry that Adam did that “fake fellatiio” move for whatever reason: ignorance, making a statement, getting “caught up” – it doesn’t matter to me. It was a mistake, hopefully he learned a lesson, but I think he is paying too high a price for it. And if it’s true that ABC receives a fine, then possibly they should, especially if someone had the power to bleep out the visual instead of or along with the audio.

And if the “fake fellatio” is crossing some kind of detailed line, it still seems crazy to me that there are different rules for cable vs. network, 9:55 vs. 10:05, whether blurred or shown, etc. When is the FCC going to realize that this kind of stuff can be easily seen on the internet or cable TV – how can they possibly protect everyone’s eyes from a 7-second “fake fellatio” move forever?

tiger92
12/04/2009 at 12:47 am

As a performer he had a duty to know where the line was and not cross it, especially not without clearing it first.

Pink didn’t know it! BEPs didn’t know it! They just had better censors.

It’s the network’s responsibility.

I have to say that this argument reminds me of when my nephew came home from school and said that he got in trouble for talking during class, but it really was the teacher’s fault, as she knew he would talk to so-and-so if she let him sit next to that kid. It was cute, but it still didn’t keep him from being put in time-out.

And by pushing the envelope and not sticking to the agreed upon choreography, the subsequent fallout and the punishment, whether harsh or not, is all on Adam.

I could agree if every instance of not following the script resulted in a similar consequence, but I just don’t think it does. Somebody falls, or kicks higher than rehearsed, or turns left instead of right – no banning, not even a comment. Of course not. It’s not the fact that it’s off script, it’s what was off script. The dancers forhead touches ( or looks like it touches) Adam’s jacket front, instead of stopping a few inches short as in rehearsal. That much variation in choreography is the norm. But some variations can result in things one wants to block. Clothes fall down, eg. That’s the risk. ABC’s reaction is inconsistent and out of proportion. Unless there’s more than we know. We know the basic move was in the rehearsal- if they told him to take it out, I could see them not wanting to hire him again (that is, I can see it if I pretend that there was anything worth censoring in the first place)

I have to say that this argument reminds me of when my nephew came home from school and said that he got in trouble for talking during class, but it really was the teacher’s fault, as she knew he would talk to so-and-so if she let him sit next to that kid. It was cute, but it still didn’t keep him from being put in time-out.

Except we aren’t talking aboutsome cute kid story here.

We are talking about major networks who have to answer to the FCC and sponsors. We are talking about big money.

They did not invent the edit button and live delay JUST FOR ADAM LAMBERT. Networks have had to use both these tools countless number of times over the years. Entertainers say and do things on the fly and go off-script. That is why there is a time-delay and a censor button.

The responsibility ends with the network.

LOL is he this year’s Nick Lachey?

Well Adam can actually sing. He is uber talented.

Yes, he can. So why is he hosting all these. That is what Nick Lachey did last year.

No, the responsibility lies with both. That’s the point. Adam is a big boy. He has to accept big boy responsibility. If he can’t do so, then he doesn’t get to be on TV.

No, the responsibility lies with both. That’s the point. Adam is a big boy. He has to accept big boy responsibility. If he can’t do so, then he doesn’t get to be on TV.

Who wrote the song? Who picked this song for the AMAs? Who designed the set? Who did the choreography? Who designed the costumes? (Adam is not the answer to any of these questions.)

Who signed off on the S&M imagery and costumes? (ABC) Who signed off on the leashes? (ABC) Who promoted it as ‘shocking’ ? (ABC)

Adam is owning it and taking full responsibility, when he could be pointing these things out!

No, the responsibility lies with both. That’s the point. Adam is a big boy. He has to accept big boy responsibility. If he can’t do so, then he doesn’t get to be on TV.

I’m sure there’s enough blame to go around. For me, I do feel like what Adam has said since this incident has indicated he’s accepted his share of the responsibility. On Ellen, I really felt what he said about respecting people, etc. was sincere. I’m good with it at this point, but of course that doesn’t mean anyone else has to be.

Pink didn’t know it! BEPs didn’t know it! They just had better censors.

It’s the network’s responsibility.

I have to say that this argument reminds me of when my nephew came home from school and said that he got in trouble for talking during class, but it really was the teacher’s fault, as she knew he would talk to so-and-so if she let him sit next to that kid. It was cute, but it still didn’t keep him from being put in time-out.

It reminds me of the guy who gets pulled over for speeding and says, hey, there were other people on the road speeding, too. You can’t give me a ticket unless you give them all a ticket. And the cop laughs in his face. Sorry, but the law doesn’t care whether the other guy did it and got away with it. They care that YOU did it and they caught you, and now you can pay for the ticket. It works the same way for people who get audited and have to pay fines to the IRS for the very same tax dodges that other people got away with. Or if you bop some guy over the head in a bar fight and he shakes his head and walks away, but your friend bops some other guy over the head in a different bar fight and the guy dies because he had a very thin skull. Same exact action, one person ends up with nothing but a hangover and the other one gets prosecuted for killing somebody.

And I’m sure Charles Rocket is out there somewhere, still bitching at NBC and SNL for firing him for dropping an F bomb, when now people get bupkus for the same offense. Maybe they just didn’t like Charles Rocket. He stayed fired, though.

Being censored is not the same as being banned from an entire network.

I swear this argument goes in circle. And once again, the main point was selectively ignored, which is that you cannot compare Pink to Adam becasue she was censored and so the station never got fined or had to deal with the backlash. It’s an irrelevant comparison. One got seen doing it the other one wasn’t. The censorship prevented people from seeing Pink and no one would have knows about the Pink performance had she not been censored in Canada. Sigh. I give up.

Adam is moving on, he’ll be fine. Now that ABC has cancelled everything Adam hopefully they will move on too. The FCC may investigate but I’ll eat my hat if anything comes of it so IMO ABC will be fine too. Not that I am worried about them, but I’m not going to boycott them either. Don’t think they would even notice. Meanwhile, I’m enjoying Adam’s music and looking forward to future entertainment, just hope the roller coaster ride eases up a bit as it’s exhausting. I’m not as young or as strong as Adam.

I swear this argument goes in circle. And once again, the main point was selectively ignored, which is that you cannot compare Pink to Adam becasue she was censored and so the station never got fined or had to deal with the backlash

So, if the censor people would have done his job, the network wouldn’t be having to face the FCC.

But if AL had never done it, then there would have been nothing to censor. As Lynda said eloquently in the other thread, he didn’t merely improvise’”he crossed a line with the fake fallatio. Sure, ABC’s booth should have done a better job of monitoring and editing, but they wouldn’t have had to do so if he hadn’t crossed that line.

That is RIDICULOUS!! ABC’s censoring responsibilities do not diminish because someone needed to be censored.

Being censored is not the same as being banned from an entire network.

I swear this argument goes in circle. And once again, the main point was selectively ignored, which is that you cannot compare Pink to Adam becasue she was censored and so the station never got fined or had to deal with the backlash. It’s an irrelevant comparison. One got seen doing it the other one wasn’t. The censorship prevented people from seeing Pink and no one would have knows about the Pink performance had she not been censored in Canada. Sigh. I give up.

I think it is a relevant comparison. I think the comment means that Pink was not personally punished BECAUSE someone had the foresight to step in and censor her, but Adam had no such luck and is therefore being punished, when perhaps the fault lies with the person at the “bleep” control. What some are establishing here is that performers sometimes go off script, they have censors for that, and why wasn’t Adam censored, and why is he being punished more harshly because of someone else’s error. Not trying to say that Adam was completely innocent in going off script though.

Man, I hate bolding for emphasis. It’s like being yelled at, when we’re trying to have a civilized conversation. Pet peeve. Hate it in work situations, too.

This all goes back to the fact that we don’t know who else has been taking heat for this and how. For all we know, the choreographer has been fired and will never work for RCA or 19 again. The guy in the booth may have been fired. The producers for the AMAs may have been (metaphorically) beaten with sticks. Adam’s management may have been penalized by Simon Fuller. There is evidence that the network is taking heat, but of what kind, we don’t know, and given how slowly the FCC process works, we won’t know even on that front for a while. You may assume that Adam is the only one paying a price, but I’m not going to assume that. It may just be that, as the public figure who was the one out there performing and who was the one scheduled to appear publicly on ABC for promo, he’s the only one whose punishment is visible, while others are also paying a price.

I think it is a relevant comparison. I think the comment means that Pink was not personally punished BECAUSE someone had the foresight to step in and censor her, but Adam had no such luck and is therefore being punished, when perhaps the fault lies with the person at the ‘bleep’  control. What some are establishing here is that performers sometimes go off script, they have censors for that, and why wasn’t Adam censored, and why is he being punished more harshly because of someone else’s error. Not trying to say that Adam was completely innocent in going off script though.

This exactly!!!!!

How do you know that Pink was not punished? What we do know is that she did almost no television appearances in the year after that incident. And we know of no instance where Fox hosted her in that year after the incident.

Not that I am worried about them, but I’m not going to boycott them either.

OMG – what would I do without Grey’s Anatomy? Yeah, certainly not boycotting.

It may just be that, as the public figure who was the one out there performing and who was the one scheduled to appear publicly on ABC for promo, he’s the only one whose punishment is visible, while others are also paying a price.

That’s an excellent point. All around, we just don’t know shit. A lot of our opinions are based on things we think we know, or simply assume. Without more information here, it’s impossible to know if any of the parties are still holding the moral high ground. (At this point, I’m doubting any of them are – so I’m back to my plenty of blame to go around theory).

How do you know that Pink was not punished? What we do know is that she did almost no television appearances in the year after that incident. And we know of no instance where Fox hosted her in that year after the incident.

You make a valid point – I don’t know if Pink was punished, and I don’t know if her fake “equivalent to fellatio” was in the script, thereby giving the network a heads up to censor it. I still feel that the punishment for Adam is too much, but I hope that he follows Pink’s trajectory to stardom in spite of it.

And I’m sure Charles Rocket is out there somewhere, still bitching at NBC and SNL for firing him for dropping an F bomb, when now people get bupkus for the same offense. Maybe they just didn’t like Charles Rocket. He stayed fired, though.

It’s like Andrew Dice Clay on the MTV Video Music Awards. He said some vulgar stuff in a routine and they banned him for life. I think the reason was he went off script live. (Not sure if they were using tape delay.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdNDukegnZM

There are probably a lot of other people who have said worse on the VMAs since then, who weren’t banned. Nonetheless, you can see why they did it.

I don’t know what happened re Adam and the AMAs, but if he agreed not to do something and they took his word for it and then he turned around and did it, he misrepresented himself. And if, after doing so, he flipped the bird, ABC could very well have taken that as “f*ck you, ABC, I did it my way.” Who knows? You can’t go up against these huge Hollywood conglomerates and think they’ll just take it lying down. Of course, I really have no idea what really happened so it’s all speculation.

It’s like Andrew Dice Clay on the MTV Video Music Awards. He said some vulgar stuff in a routine and they banned him for life. I think the reason was he went off script live. (Not sure if they were using tape delay.)

I’m doubtful about any tape delay that long ago. I remember the Dice thing though. There was HUGE outrage. Outrage that makes this Adam incident seem like a teeny, tiny blip. Also, he was seen as extremely misogynistic. And, there were a lot of high-wattage female stars who spoke out against him.

For him, it wasn’t just viewer outrage. There were a lot of people in the industry who couldn’t stand the guy either. He had a huge career too. He filled massive arenas for his live comedy show. And then, after a few revolts against him (and some really shitty movies) his career hit the toilet.

And a big issue with him was that the execs would ask him to tone his stuff down for tv and he’d go right out there and do the same thing, again and again. He was a repeat offender.

It reminds me of the guy who gets pulled over for speeding and says, hey, there were other people on the road speeding, too. You can’t give me a ticket unless you give them all a ticket. And the cop laughs in his face. Sorry, but the law doesn’t care whether the other guy did it and got away with it. They care that YOU did it and they caught you, and now you can pay for the ticket.

That’s kind of an awkward analogy because this actually is a debate over whether black people are unfairly targeted for traffic tickets (and drug possession sentences)… I mean it’s awkward in the sense that it doesn’t really work the way you mean it to, it kind of fits my point.

This all goes back to the fact that we don’t know who else has been taking heat for this and how. For all we know, the choreographer has been fired and will never work for RCA or 19 again. The guy in the booth may have been fired. The producers for the AMAs may have been (metaphorically) beaten with sticks. Adam’s management may have been penalized by Simon Fuller. There is evidence that the network is taking heat, but of what kind, we don’t know, and given how slowly the FCC process works, we won’t know even on that front for a while. You may assume that Adam is the only one paying a price, but I’m not going to assume that. It may just be that, as the public figure who was the one out there performing and who was the one scheduled to appear publicly on ABC for promo, he’s the only one whose punishment is visible, while others are also paying a price.

ITA!(just for you) lol

I’m just trying to establish that there were a whole group of people involved here. From Adam, to RCA, to ABC. Yes, Adam made some mistakes. He has taken full responsibility and has been punished.

I do think the final responsibility lies with ABC. They will be the ones to pay the fine to the FCC because of those homophobic nutjobs. Maybe Adam and ABC are fine with each other. I’m not sure whether to be upset with ABC or not.

In the end, I think Adam will have learned a great deal from this experience. My hope is they will look at these awards shows as a whole and dial it back. I’m tired of seeing rappers hold their dicks through the whole song. (Why don’t they cut away from that-Why is that not offensive?)

I want to talk about the song he recorded for Ellen:
Wooohoooo!!!!

That’s my boy!!!!

I am soooo past the ABC controversy. They’re just hurting themselves by making such a fuss about nothing.

Meanwhile, Adam goes on and thrives and shines in different venues

I am soooo past the ABC controversy. They’re just hurting themselves by making such a fuss about nothing.

Yeah that’s about it for me.

In exciting news for me, my radio station just out of the blue started playing Adam last night! WXLO out of Worcester MA is actually our listen at work station so I can’t wait. It felt so good to send a request. I can’t wait to call later.

They did not invent the edit button and live delay JUST FOR ADAM LAMBERT. Networks have had to use both these tools countless number of times over the years. Entertainers say and do things on the fly and go off-script. That is why there is a time-delay and a censor button.

The responsibility ends with the network.

I disagree. Time delay and a censor button can’t catch everything. And if an act is likely to have multiple instances of violating behavior, Adam had a responsibility to warn them about it ahead of time. If he’d done these antics in rehearsal, the network would have known to cut away/censor the necessary parts, and the acceptably edgy parts of the act (the costumes, most of the dancing, leashes and fairly overt but not explicitly S&M imagery) would have been fine and probably exactly the amount of outrageousness that ABC wanted out of the deal.

ABC IS responsible, but really, only in so much as they signed Adam Lambert. Unfortunately for Adam, it doesn’t look like they’ll be doing that again for a long time.

And once again, the main point was selectively ignored, which is that you cannot compare Pink to Adam becasue she was censored and so the station never got fined or had to deal with the backlash.

At this point I’m pretty much done with this conversation. The only thing I’ll say is that if P!nk was censored, how would any one know what happened or have the clip on YT? It must have played somewhere in, otherwise how would people get their hands on it?

I am soooo past the ABC controversy. They’re just hurting themselves by making such a fuss about nothing.

Meanwhile, Adam goes on and thrives and shines in different venues

Let’s not dwell on the AMA thing,the best thing we do is to concentrate on Adam’s music and help his music to reach number1 in the chart

Let’s take the whole gay/homophobia argument out of the equation and assume that is played no part in ABC’s decision….heck, let’s even assume for the sake of argument that Adam is straight….ABC’s actions in cancelling Kimmel and NYE remain ridiculous. The reaction to Adam’s AMA performance was not that terrible — they got less complaints than they do for DWTS performances and way way way less than the Janet Jackson superbowl incident. Some people were disgusted/some people thought it was rok n roll awesome. ABC is now starting to be ridiculed in the mainstream media (read today’s Washington Post) and blogosphere for the Kimmel and NYE decisions. I mean, the Kimmel performance would have been on after midnight. And Kimmel is the show that had the I’m fucking Matt Damon and Ben Affleck skits (which were hilarious)….the NYE performancs are mostly taped, and even if live, could have been on after midnight or close to it. For all of you noting that Adam’s performance was on at 9:55 pm CST, the FCC and court’s are not going to make hay out of that 5 minute time difference…they will take into acount how close it was to 10pm. Again, either there will not be any fines, or they will be run of the mill small ones that networks get all the time (there have been a whole lot of live award shows where performers/presenters have cursed, make obscene gestures, made out there political statements etc.). Read the court of appeals decision in the Janet Jackson case — the court took into consideration the fleeting nature of the episode etc. And it is clear that ABC’s actions are completely punitive in nature and not based upon any concern of further FCC fines. The other networks and shows seem to have no problem with Adam, and their audiences are giving him enthusiastic receptions. Adam will be fine in the end; ABC is looking petty and silly.

To lighten up, I thought Adam said he doesnt sing Christmas songs cause he is Jewish, yet he sings one for Ellen, many remarks can be made of that, but I love Adam, and loved him singing it, so LOL.

Yesterday on the morning show at WPLJ (NYC), the guys felt Adam was cancelled on ABC because he went over to CBS when the GMA appearance was cancelled.

That is RIDICULOUS!! ABC’s censoring responsibilities do not diminish because someone needed to be censored.

And Adam’s responsibilities do not diminish either. He had a contract with ABC and HE is the one that went over the line. If he had not done it, ABC would not have had to censor him and take the heat. Adam appears to be a loose cannon to them and while we don’t know if the FCC will fine ABC (could take years to investigate) ABC will be the one that has to pay and expend countless time and money on this, not Adam. This is a business decision pure and simple and I for one, don’t blame ABC. As to the other networks coming to Adam’s rescue, give me a break. They did it for RATINGS ONLY, and if he pulls a stunt like this with them and gets them into a conflict with the FCC, don’t be surprised if they don’t censor him too.

going back to the music, since that’s what this is all about, right?.. the hits daily double weakend report is in, with sales predictions for next week… neither adam nor allison are on it… bieber is low man on the list w/projections of 55-60k… so i take that to mean all others will come in under 55k or so… can someone much swifter than me do a quick calculation of the guesstimated percentage decrease of sales of 55k vs 198k?

YOUR WEAKEND CHART PREVIEW: Heading into the weekend, we’re expecting a squeaker between Susan Boyle and Andrea Bocelli for next week’s #1 album (never thought we’d ever be typing those words).

Neither appear to be suffering from a Black Friday hangover, and either could win the race at this point. Of the debuts this week, only R. Kelly will be 100k. Here’s a look at the current leader board:

Andrea Bocelli (Decca) 400-425k
Susan Boyle (Columbia) 375-400k
R. Kelly (Jive/JLG debut) 105-115k
Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 100-110k
Lady GaGa The Fame (Interscope) 80-85k
Lady GaGa The Fame Monster (Interscope) 70-75k
Norah Jones (Blue Note/EMI) 65-70k
Twilight Saga: New Moon (Chop Shop/Atlantic) 60-65k
Now 32 (Sony Music) 60-65k
Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 60-65k
John Mayer (Columbia) 60-65k
Josh Groban Noel (Reprise) 55-60k
Rihanna (Def Jam/IDJ) 55-60k
Justin Bieber (Island/IDJ) 55-60k

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

ggdoorsfan
12/04/2009 at 9:02 am

Well, based on this then Adam will have over a 75% decline in his CD sells…and will totally drop off the top of the charts just like many Singers before him. But I’m sure this simple math test wasn’t the “important” aspect of the post.

He had a contract with ABC and HE is the one that went over the line

ABC has never stated that Adam was in breach of any contract they had with him; no one has seen this purported “contract” or the terms set forth therein. Do presenters and performers on award shows even have contracts for their appearances? I highly doubt that Adam has breached any contract that he may have had with either ABC or Dick Clark Productions….in fact, that is probably one of the reasons why ABC is now saying that they intend to now have contracts that require performances to stick to rehearsal (which, IMO is going to be difficult if not impossible to enforce without running afoul of all sorts of other legal issues.)

can someone much swifter than me do a quick calculation of the guesstimated percentage decrease of sales of 55k vs 198k?

72% drop from 198K to 55K

lol, are we psychic now tess? there are some who are tired of the other aspects swirling around adam, and want to get back to focusing on the music – since that’s the point of adam being in the game, no?

I hope Adam will eventually appear on THe View and I hope he gets to sing a song…I hope he sings Broken Open…those ladies will melt.

can someone much swifter than me do a quick calculation of the guesstimated percentage decrease of sales of 55k vs 198k?

72% drop from 198K to 55K

thanks kirsten…is this ”standard” compared to industry average, and is it ”standard” compared to second week decreases for idols…

can someone much swifter than me do a quick calculation of the guesstimated percentage decrease of sales of 55k vs 198k?

72% drop from 198K to 55K

thanks kristen’ ¦is this ”standard’  compared to industry average, and is it ”standard’  compared to second week decreases for idols’ ¦

72% is the exact percentage that John Mayer dropped from release week to second week.

72% drop from 198K to 55K

thanks kristen’ ¦is this ”standard’  compared to industry average, and is it ”standard’  compared to second week decreases for idols’ ¦

I think it’s in the ball park from what I have read. Might be slightly higher. We will know more soon I suspect. I think Kris was lucky his first drop was during Black Friday, so it softened the drop percentage, and it was I beleive at 59 percent.

Gah, I was hoping Alison would make the list. When is Kimmel? Is it this week?

72% is the exact percentage that John Mayer dropped from release week to second week.

using mayer, with his 72 percent drop from 1st to 2nd week, has he managed to remain in the top 10? does or did black friday provide any kind of a cushion from last week to this one… i ask because it’s hard trying to figure out if the increases/decreases we will see are ”standard”, or if the holiday season is kinder to some artists than others… this is a strange year…

using mayer, with his 72 percent drop from 1st to 2nd week, has he managed to remain in the top 10? does or did black friday provide any kind of a cushion from last week to this one’ ¦

I would think Black Friday actually might make the next week’s drop *larger,* since people went out and shopped a lot more than usual on Black Friday week, picked up all the albums they wanted that had already come out, drove buying levels way up, and then were kind of shopped out the week following — a drop from an inflated level to an “average” level is always gonna be bigger than a drop from an average level to another average level, right? …

Dunno if this is the way it generally works, but I think it makes sense to think that a lot of people will see a bigger percentage drop off this week …. I especially expect that Adam will because he’s getting very little radio play at this point, and that has to kick in if your sales are going to be sustained at all (unless people are getting your music some other way, such as off a tv show or something, or they already know you from the past and are buying you as an old standby favorite … and in his case they’re not) A 75-80 percent Adam dropoff wouldn’t surprise me this week. … That would still get him practically halfway to gold, though, so it’s not so bad.

Hoping that Kris’s radio play can keep sustaining him a little bit.

And especially hoping that they didn’t overestimate Allison’s first-week sales! Yikes.

using mayer, with his 72 percent drop from 1st to 2nd week, has he managed to remain in the top 10? does or did black friday provide any kind of a cushion from last week to this one’ ¦ i ask because it’s hard trying to figure out if the increases/decreases we will see are ”standard’ , or if the holiday season is kinder to some artists than others’ ¦ this is a strange year’ ¦

Wish I could answer your question, I really don’t know much about it. Maybe Kirsten knows.

using mayer, with his 72 percent drop from 1st to 2nd week, has he managed to remain in the top 10? does or did black friday provide any kind of a cushion from last week to this one’ ¦ i ask because it’s hard trying to figure out if the increases/decreases we will see are ”standard’ , or if the holiday season is kinder to some artists than others’ ¦ this is a strange year’ ¦

I think the drop from Black Friday to the week right after is considered a typically bigger one than normal (unless you’re SuBo or Andrea Bocelli, of course ) So Adam debuting the week of Black Friday meant he would likely take a harder hit because of the next week fall off. However, isn’t the week before Christmas (or Christmas week) another huge selling week?

ETA: Oh, and for your last point, yes, fare like SuBo and Andrea Bocelli is THE stuff to sell this time of year, hence the mad rush to get out Christmas type albums now – it’s safe, easy stocking stuffer material – and everyone wants another copy of Silent Night this time of year.

looks to be a nail biter for many next week then lucy… i’m looking forward to things getting back to ”normal” chart/sales wise…

looks to be a nail biter for many next week then lucy’ ¦

‘fraid so. …. They just have to hope that they can keep people hearing their songs and keep the promotion going into the new year so that they keep selling in the several thousands, at least, a week, instead of dropping down to selling a thousand or less a week, which could easily happen for all three, I fear. Given Allison’s start, she could easily drop to selling hundreds per week, unless some kind of visibility for the music kicks in here, I think.

Yikes.

Chelsea Lately was sooooo funny last night in her defense of Adam Gay Lambert: this is what she wrote up today

http://www.eonline.com/on/ca/shows/chelsea/chelseaness/b155156_its_sexy_job_adam_lamberts_gotta_do_it.html

Oh- this is the wrong link, this is old -

I had to give in and watch GMA this morning as I was trying to cath a weather forecast and out local ABC weatherman is the most accurate . . .

anyway, they had on as a guest Ellen’s Portia and they showed photos from their wedding and pretty much advocated for gay marriage (she was on to promote her show which they also did briefly). All I could think of was that ABC and GMA must be making sure the GLAD members have nothing to quarrel about.

Ohttp://adamlamberttv.blogspot.com/2009/12/stop-burning-adam-lambert-at-stake.html

interesting – and darn it I cannot find the Chelsea forum from last night

Normally, drops are in the 60-70% range from first to second week. If there is a major change in the sales (e.g. Christmas or Black Friday week) one expects there to be a smaller drop going into the week and a larger drop coming out of that week.

A good indication if you are suffering a better or worse drop is to compare yourself to others dropping the same week. One must make allowances for the Freak of Sales that is SuBo and not compare oneself to her (looks like she’s going platinum in two weeks. Rare these days).

Second to third week drops are normally in the 40% range (again, if the second week is a Black Friday week, the drop to the third week will likely be larger). Fourth weeks drops are normally in the 25% range. Christmas is coming so that should lesson the drops in the next few weeks (this week is a more normal sales week, but the next two should be better than average sales week).

Normally, drops are in the 60-70% range from first to second week. If there is a major change in the sales (e.g. Christmas or Black Friday week) one expects there to be a smaller drop going into the week and a larger drop coming out of that week.

A good indication if you are suffering a better or worse drop is to compare yourself to others dropping the same week. One must make allowances for the Freak of Sales that is SuBo and not compare oneself to her.

Second to third week drops are normally in the 40% range (again, if the second week is a Black Friday week, the drop to the third week will likely be larger). Fourth weeks drops are normally in the 25% range. Christmas is coming so that should lesson the drops in the next few weeks (this week is a more normal sales week, but the next two should be better than average sales week).

thanks kirsten… gonna save this, because i know i’ll be needing it down the line…

At this point I’m pretty much done with this conversation. The only thing I’ll say is that if P!nk was censored, how would any one know what happened or have the clip on YT? It must have played somewhere in, otherwise how would people get their hands on it?

It aired in Canada.

Also, we know that ABC got fewer complaints than Dancing with the Stars causes, but we don’t know how many complaints the FCC might have gotten. (I know one of the numbers floating around a few sites was an FCC number, not an ABC number.)

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As for the HDD numbers, I’m wincing a bit for Adam (and Kris, for that matter), but I wouldn’t be too worried. WWFM seems to be doing well radio wise for so early in its release. It’ll build an audience, I’m sure.

As for the HDD numbers, I’m wincing a bit for Adam (and Kris, for that matter), but I wouldn’t be too worried. WWFM seems to be doing well radio wise for so early in its release. It’ll build an audience, I’m sure.

Exactly. They’ll either build audiences gradually over time, or they won’t. How that happens, or doesn’t, is pretty much a mystery, seems to me.

I’ve never seen a good explanation for why some songs become top 10 hits and others that seem just as good (or bad!) to me go nowhere…. And if anybody actually knew the secret, whoever it was would probably be backing all the hit artists and none of the also-rans, and I don’t see anybody in that position!

As for Kris and Adam, it’s way too early to conclude anything, in either guy’s case, if you ask me. Neither of their singles has been out for all that long, they haven’t toured yet … etc.

I’ve never seen a good explanation for why some songs become top 10 hits and others that seem just as good (or bad!) to me go nowhere’ ¦. And if anybody actually knew the secret, whoever it was would probably be backing all the hit artists and none of the also-rans, and I don’t see anybody in that position!

As for Kris and Adam, it’s way too early to conclude anything, in either guy’s case, if you ask me. Neither of their singles has been out for all that long, they haven’t toured yet ‘ ¦ etc.

I’ve got a two word response for the first half… Owl City.

As for the second… half. It is too early to conclude anything and I wish the journalist would give it time. Personally I think most people just tune out everything around them from Oct. 31st – Jan 1st. Unless one of these news agencies have a crystal ball… I really don’t want to hear from them. (oh, adding Alli to Adam and Kris)