I liked Terence Trent Darby but he never had the hype that Adam had, not even close and comparing him to Lambert is hilarious

ymmv, but i remember that he did… remember this as well… those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. let’s meet back in a year, and compare

Well, he’s kind of a superstar to me, lol. ‘ ¦ Love Terence Trent D’Arby. As Yet Unwritten just came up on my Ipod this morning, and, wow, I love Terence Trent D’Arby’ ¦

i loved his album ”the hardline according to terence trent d’arby” so much… the media and he conspired to fashion himself into the ”next prince”, the next ”superstar of superstars” after michael jackson… massive press and hype… giving him his props – dude was ferociously talented – he was, but after a short while, it became evident the media hype and d’arby’s own hubris and unchecked ego soured him on the music buying public and the industry – and he has never quite recovered from a career that began as a roaring thunderclap, and ended with a whimper… i still like his music, but his is still a very relevant and cautionary tale for those inclined to ”believe the hype”…

my fair share of artists receive much the same ”superstar, rockstar’  hype, and never live up to it ‘“ does terence trent d’arby ring any bells?

Well, he’s kind of a superstar to me, lol. … Love Terence Trent D’Arby. As Yet Unwritten just came up on my Ipod this morning, and, wow, I love Terence Trent D’Arby…

Otherwise, though, I think you make a good point!

So when has an Artist proven himself? When a single sells platinum, when an album sells gold, when they are asked to speak at a conference or have moderate financial success on a tour?

Everyone measures success differently’ ¦I look at success as the legacy you leave when the great one calls, other’s may look at success as even getting a recording contract and asking to perform in front of millions on a TV show.

your use of the word legacy is key for me – a body of work, over a period of time that helps lend credence to its designation upon an artist… ”success” is a highly relative/subjective term, and everyone’s standards for it will naturally vary… i may not have been around as long as some who have really followed pop and rock music, and studied its history, but i’ve studied it, and been around long enough to have seen my fair share of artists receive much the same ”superstar, rockstar” hype, and never live up to it – does terence trent d’arby ring any bells? i’m just saying that to foist the designation of such lofty terms as ”superstar”, ”rockstar” etc. onto any new artist entering the music business, before there are quantifiable standards to help measure and back up the claim is premature, at best… and for many, the cachet and real meaning behind the terms gets rendered almost irrelevant from its perpetual overuse …

So when has an Artist proven himself? When a single sells platinum, when an album sells gold, when they are asked to speak at a conference or have moderate financial success on a tour?

Everyone measures success differently…I look at success as the legacy you leave when the great one calls, other’s may look at success as even getting a recording contract and asking to perform in front of millions on a TV show.

I am not surprised that nice Christian housewives like this kind of thing, have you ever seen Christian Rock videos? Talk about out there and over the top!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml7O8Tfc_PA

But Youtube can easily provide you the ‘auditable and verifiable body of work’  you require. I feel very secure in calling him fully seasoned, proven, and 100% dependable as a live performer.

using this same method of you tube verification as our model, taylor hicks also qualifies then, as pre and post idol he is given credit for being a seasoned, proven and dependable ”live” performer – but who with a straight face can honestly call him a ”rockstar”, lolol… as always, everyone’s mmv, but i’m old school when adding that label to any artist – the performance aspect, as well as the data generated via airplay, sales etc over a period of time has to be both factored into the equation… like the overused term ”superstar”, the term has begun to lose its cachet and power when the standards for rewarding it become so blurred and easy to attain… i’m not from missouri, but you have to show me you got the goods, over the long haul, before bestowing those terms….

To quote someone ‘nobody puts Glammy in a corner’ ¦’ 

K first of all I’m scared of the person you’re quoting. ‘Glammy?’  Adam isn’t a freakin hamster.

This is from way upthread, but the “Nobody puts Glammy in a corner…” is a cultural reference to Dirty Dancing: “Nobody puts Baby in a corner” and refers to society’s efforts to box someone in, trying to force them to conform. Therefore it’s a good fit for Adam because nobody, including the AI fans or the Out magazine editor, can expect him to conform to their rules.

The AI fans who didn’t go on the internet and see the pre Idol pictures and the videos may not like the post Idol Adam, but he is the same as he was pre Idol, just more famous. Many AI fans will move on, but if Adam played to that crowd alone he would wind up doing covers in Las Vegas sooner than later. This is his shot and he has to go for the brass ring. I don’t expect to like everything he does, but I think I will like most of it so I hope his gamble pays off.

has the performance via sales and airplay of ‘ tfm’ , ‘ fye’  and ‘ wwfm’ , all releases attributed to adam post idol, really been enough to foist this moniker on him? i would assume one would also need to have built up, over time like the examples you cited, an auditable and verifiable body of work to substantiate and validate this designation’ ¦

Via sales and airplay of ‘ tfm’ , ‘ fye’  and ‘ wwfm’ ?
Of course not.
But Youtube can easily provide you the “auditable and verifiable body of work” you require. I feel very secure in calling him fully seasoned, proven, and 100% dependable as a live performer.

i hope he doesnt lip sync at all.

A ‘Rockstar’  is a person in any field whose status as a proven performer is unqualified and dependable

has the performance via sales and airplay of ”tfm”, ”fye” and ”wwfm”, all releases attributed to adam post idol, really been enough to foist this moniker on him? i would assume one would also need to have built up, over time like the examples you cited, an auditable and verifiable body of work to substantiate and validate this designation… by that definition, adam still needs to put in the work and build up a body of some in the industry to give this credence, and a measure of credibility… jmo.