He has a band. No doubt the tiny amount od success this song brings him this year will make him diva-out on his band AGAIN. He’ll decide it is all about him, and they are riding his coattails. He’ll get a couple of gigs, act like an ass, diva-out on the promoter, and shoot himself in the face again.

He has talked about having o re-learn the msic business, and promoters not returning his calls when he went solo, etc etc…. It is actually because he sucks solo, he is a total ass to work with, he has absolutely no draw for an audience, and pretty much everyone he has ever worked for hates him. He doesn’t understand that when he bailed his first band and went solo, they weren’t getting booked because of HIM. Solo, the promoters didn’t know it was THAT guy. Then he had to start another band to disguise NOT THAT GUY AGAIN reality.

Total Ass. Total Backstabber. Total POS.

The failure of ‘Want’  means that Adam Lambert’s name alone won’t sell crappy songs. Which has been true of every other person who was ever on the show as far as I can remember. Although, I thought Adam had enough buzz so that wouldn’t be true.

Neither Adam or Kris is breaking any records in selling the S8 music. But I still think Kris has the bigger upside potential in actually moving the units in the USA.

What I find puzzling is why “Want” was a failure. A real fan would be out there buying anything they could pre-Idol disregarding Adam’s personal request to his fans not to support it. He would have gotten royalties from those pre-idol songs wouldn’t he? Did Adam just find his “style” during A.I. and told people that those pre-Idol stuff isn’t the kind of music he’s doing anymore?

I am a David Cook fan and I went out and bought his Analog Heart before it was pulled & anything else I could buy from Axium & NWK because I couldn’t get enough of him. You should have seen what his stuff was selling on e-Bay too. Listening to Cook’s earlier stuff I found he stayed true to himself & his style is quite obvious pre & post A.I. Sure his debut album no doubt had to conform to the label’s vision of what they wanted him to put out, but needless to say the “style” was still there. In some cases, some of his pre-Idol stuff was even better. However, I am still playing all of his music and haven’t tired of any of them yet. That’s a first for me.

As far as “crappy” song versus the name goes…. This is true. I was a Blake Lewis fan and eagerly awaited his debut. After I heard his single, I didn’t download the album, didn’t buy the CD and only downloaded one song I liked off the album (a big .99 cent sale) even though I voted my fingers off for him and went to an Idol Tour concert & paid double the asking price just to get good seats.

It is a fact that neither Kris or Adam broke any records from their AI8 season. I have a good sense of who Kris is and the kind of sound & music he’ll put out just based on his performances. I also bet that the stuff he did prior to A.I. didn’t change from what kind of an artist he showed us during the competition. I think he appeals to a broader audience & is radio friendly. I do not have any idea of what Adam’s album will be like and I doubt it will be anything like what he did on A.I. I don’t like that. I want to know what kind of an artist someone is right from the get go based on pre-idol music & what they actually did during the competition. I would go out on the limb to say that I think Kris will do better in the U.S. while Adam will do better outside the U.S. So both will do fine.

Well if this proves Adam can’t sell Sony is really wasting money. They should pour everything into Kris pronto.

“This” proves nothing.

There was no external demand by any of the fans, by Adam’s label, etc. So why would any of the DJs spin this? It was a crappy recording, Adam may have sounded great, but overall, the quailty was lacking.

I think I will wait until Adam actually comes out with his first “real” album before I pronounce him or his record DOA.

Well, there was more promotion thrown at ‘Want’ than most Idol singles get. That series of press releases generated a sizable amount of media coverage (I know my local radio DJs picked-up on the ‘news,’  and if Seacrest and Perez are talking about it then people are hearing about it). And it got a radio push that many Idols and their fans would kill for, including an official adds date on CHR and HAC and a sizable ad on the login page to AllAccess. The result was a grand total of 20 spins, including one this week and one last week. A sales boycott by even the most ‘highly organized and informed fanbase’  in the world could not stop radio from picking the song up if they wanted to. But they clearly didn’t.

It just underscores the importance of producing material that people outside the Idol fanbase want to hear. There are a million of factors that influence that too – quality, timing, promo, luck. The fans may feel all-powerful now, but come November even the biggest, buzziest name in the Idolverse won’t move units or pick-up spins unless there is some external demand for the product.

Well if this proves Adam can’t sell Sony is really wasting money. They should pour everything into Kris pronto.

The failure of ‘Want’  means that Adam Lambert’s name alone won’t sell crappy songs.

Outside of obsessed American Idol fans like us, no one even knows Want exists. There was no marketing or promotion for it. People can’t buy something if they don’t know its there to buy’ ¦.

Well, there was more promotion thrown at ‘Want’ than most Idol singles get. That series of press releases generated a sizable amount of media coverage (I know my local radio DJs picked-up on the “news,” and if Seacrest and Perez are talking about it then people are hearing about it). And it got a radio push that many Idols and their fans would kill for, including an official adds date on CHR and HAC and a sizable ad on the login page to AllAccess. The result was a grand total of 20 spins, including one this week and one last week. A sales boycott by even the most “highly organized and informed fanbase” in the world could not stop radio from picking the song up if they wanted to. But they clearly didn’t.

It just underscores the importance of producing material that people outside the Idol fanbase want to hear. There are a million of factors that influence that too – quality, timing, promo, luck. The fans may feel all-powerful now, but come November even the biggest, buzziest name in the Idolverse won’t move units or pick-up spins unless there is some external demand for the product.

Sure, the tweet about working on the “tune with Adam Lambert” is a tad ambiguous, but I’d give anyone a pass for that. Communicating in brief snippets like that will make it unlikely that you’ll always dot all the “i”‘s and cross all the “t”‘s. I doubt the intention was to deliberately mislead.

If what he’s said is true, then this is a track into which Adam had proper creative input, not a demo where he was simply paid to show up and sing exactly as he was told. That makes a difference to me.

Adam was clearly unhappy with the Hi-Fi situation (and having heard “Want” I’m not surprised!) but until I hear him denounce this I’m not going to assume anything. I’m certainly not joining in any witch hunts.

If it’s a good track I hope it sees the light of day. If it’s bad…well, I doubt it will go anywhere anyway.

If he’s okay with this one then I’d consider buying it. If not, I probably won’t buy it.

Went and picked up a quote from his blog:

PS. Stay tuned on the song. Right now I don’t know exactly how it’s going to play out as far as a release date’ ¦ but I assure you I have the right people on my side to work things out. ☠º

No real details given.

Adam will be the one who ends up suffering if his reputation is destroyed amongst his friends.

Stormy
Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
What exactly has this guy done to make people angry other than have a past musical association with Adam?

What has he done? He’s lied: ‘In the studio today with Adam Lambert ‘ ¦’  He knew exactly how that phrase would be interpreted.

I’m so done with this.

Me too.

Except you have completely mis-quoted him, that is not at all what he said, the twitter message was:

‘Spent most of the day working on the new tune with Adam Lambert’ ¦ This song is massive.’ 

Just looking at the second half of the first sentence , “on the new tune with Adam Lambert”, could easily mean he was working on the song they recorded together. This does not necessarily mean Adam was actually present. Without further info, you cannot call this a lie. Please see my first post on this thread. Sorry it is so long.

What exactly has this guy done to make people angry other than have a past musical association with Adam?

What has he done? He’s lied: “In the studio today with Adam Lambert …” He knew exactly how that phrase would be interpreted.

I’m so done with this.

Me too. :wacko_tb:

‘IF’  and this is a big if, his blog is accurate about the song and their relationship, then he isn’t really doing anything wrong. Adam contacted him and asked for them to work together on a song and he agreed. Adam asked him to put the song on hold until AI was over, he said no problem. AI is over and he is now working on the song again. Nothing wrong with that. He is also a struggling artist and now feels lucky he may have a song to release that might actually get some airplay and make some money because he hooked up with the right guy at the right time, simply because they admired each others work. Again, nothing wrong with that!

I agree. My first reaction to all of this was, “Wow, Adam kind of inconvenienced that guy and he was nice enough to hold off on things.” Even though the guy wasn’t working diligently on it at the time, I still feel badly for him in a way. This doesn’t bother me as much as the Hi Fi stuff.