Adam Lambert: Another Producer Getting Ready to Release Pre-Idol Material?

By On 07/08/2009 · 93 Comments · In Uncategorized

Well, move over Hi-Fi records!   It looks like yet, another producer, in possession of material Adam Lambert recorded before American Idol, is hoping to make a buck off the new star. A single, called “Live The Live” is set to be released mid-July, according to the dance/electronica producer, J. Scott G.

The story begins with the discovery of a tweet by Adam Lambert fans last night. It seemed that Adam had been working on a song earlier in the day with a collaborator named J. Scott. G. who twittered this,

“Spent most of the day working on the new tune with Adam Lambert… This song is massive.”

On closer inspection, it became clear that J. Scott G. wasn’t actually “with” Adam, but working on a song he recorded with Adam months before he auditioned for Idol. In a recent post from his blog, J. Scott G. talks about a recent move to Austin, TX to work on a friend’s album. At the end of the post, he mentions working on an Adam Lambert song:

Oh yeah, you might also be wondering where the song with Adam Lambert is. It’s coming. I swear. I’m making the final adjustments to it and flying to LA soon to mix it. Look out for a mid July release… along with some amazing remixes. It’s all in the works now. I’ll also be starting a photo album of my adventures here soon on Myspace and Facebook, as well as some video blogs from the studio (and quite possibly the boat parties).

A blog post from his MySpace page makes his relationship to Adam clearer. About 6 months before his stint on Idol, Adam contacted the producer through MySpace, and the two eventually hooked up to write, produce and record a song called “Live The Life”.

Before J. Scott G. had a chance to do anything with it, Adam signed a contract with American Idol, and asked the producer to put the song “on hold.” He “gladly obliged,” finishing the edits on the song at around the time Idol wrapped up in May. The producer believes his meeting with Adam was destiny, and that he totally hit the motherload:

I never doubted Adam was going to do well in Idol from the moment he told me he made it, because of my underlying belief that the universe brought him into my life for a reason. But I mean, come on’ ¦ seriously what are the chances of something like this happening? One in a million? One in ten million? I might have had a better chance at winning the *actual* lottery to be perfectly honest (thank god I’m not a gambling man). So I challenge you all to ask yourself these questions. Are Adam and I just incredibly lucky? Or is there, perhaps, some truth in the concept of manifestation through positive thinking?

You be the judge. In the mean time, you’ve got to live the life. Man I can’t stop friggin smiling. (again, so grateful)

Seriously, has this guy NOT been following the Hi-Fi saga? I can’t imagine Adam is going to endorse the release of this single either, in which case, there’s a good chance his fans won’t be downloading. Not as lucky as you think, bud.

 
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  • JustWatching

    I guess everyone wants a piece of Adam now that he is hot.

  • lamslova

    *smacks forehead* here we go again!

  • Tess

    I must say that the Adam Nation are a great bunch of detectives and that they don’t take much at face value anymore. Someone is digging, or googling, or researching until the truth is known. Adam is lucky to have his own set of Sherlock Holmes to watch his back.

    Again…until Adam tells me it’s time to buy and that he fully endorses the product I’ll just pass on spending any of my cash. Besides, the song will probably show up on the net so that I will be able to hear it…but I won’t download it either.

  • ALISMYMJ

    It’s just a terrible thing for Adam to see all these people try to take advantage of him, when all he was doing was trying to make it in the music business any way he could and by working with as many people as he could. His trust has been so abused. But I know he’ll make it huge despite all these selfish people.

  • CindyM

    Whatever. :sleep_tb:

  • Ellie2

    At least this is just one song and not a whole album. And by this point, we all know the drill. If nothing else, it shows how hard Adam worked over the years to try and break through in the business. The boy didn’t sit on his ass, that’s for sure!

  • Chicagolaw

    This won’t effect Adam one way or the other. And I am sure more of these “Adam songs” will be popping up over the next several months.

  • GeminiDolly

    At least this song seems to be more of what Adam Lambert envisions his music to be? Just trying to find the positive :-/

  • suebrody

    We’ve only just begun…if Adam doesn’t say it’s legit, I’m not taking the bait.

  • mar

    If nothing else, it shows how hard Adam worked over the years to try and break through in the business. The boy didn’t sit on his ass, that’s for sure!

    This ^^

  • Kirsten

    I must say that the Adam Nation are a great bunch of detectives and that they don’t take much at face value anymore. Someone is digging, or googling, or researching until the truth is known.

    Yes. If Adam’s fans hadn’t dug up all this stuff, it wouldn’t be all over the internet and MJ wouldn’t have written a post about it. The producer would have no publicity at all except for some obscure twitter message.

    Adam is lucky to have his own set of Sherlock Holmes to watch his back.

    I’m not so sure. Sometimes, I think the fans should leave this job to the professionals (lawyers, publicists, record agency strategists, etc).

  • Renina

    wow… More Adam Lambert drama. He is seriously beginning to give me a headache :thumbdown_tb:

  • revcat

    Hmmmm, I’m gonna rummage around my garage and neighborhood Goodwill bins, surely another Lambert artifact will turn up. A demo? A half written song on a Hooters napkin (well, maybe not Hooters :) ? Something! Hey, I’ll settle for an old pair of platform party shoes! Its all about the ca$h! While I’m at it, I think I’ll look for MJ’s other glove.

  • mitchellvii

    Well, there is a downside to fame and this is it. Every person you ever knew in your “former” life comes out of the woodwork claiming to be your BFF.

    I expect the lawsuits from women claiming to be carrying Adam’s love child to start soon. Still, the audacity of this guy to pretend like Adam’s huge success is HIS ship coming in – HE wont the lottery. The part that cracks me up is when he talks about how lucky both “he and Adam” are, like they are soul-mates.

    Glad to hear he is so grateful for this fantasy relationship.

  • ravengirl

    Still, it does make me curious enough to hope that it will magically appear somewhere for free sampling.
    What can I say? I’m an Adam ho.
    Wow, that did not sound good.

  • SparklesATL

    Hmmmm, I’m gonna rummage around my garage and neighborhood Goodwill bins, surely another Lambert artifact will turn up.

    Ha! So true, so true. I remember back when Taylor Hicks won that there were fans going on the “Taylor Hicks tour,” which consisted of a couple of bars where he played, the record store that sold his self produced items, and riding around the apartment he lived in pre-idol. There were pictures of women who posed by the dumpster holding pieces of trash that “might have been thrown out from Taylor’s apartment.”

    Talk about your Sherlock Holmes!

  • Summer

    Some guys leave behind a string of broken hearts….. Adam leaves golden demos!

  • https://twitter.com/draddee Sunn

    Decided to delete my comment. A non story imo.

  • mmb

    well, this is a lot different than the HiFi situation. The HiFi people sent out press releases touting their release as Adam’s “debut album” and then admitted that they did not tell his management what they were doing and then kept trickling out different pieces of info that did not completely add up….if this guy is telling the truth he has one track, doesn’t call it Adam’s “debut single”, has given the whole backstory of the situation and if he has the legal right to release it then why not? Presumably Adam will be entitled to royalties as co-writer and artist…I think that Adam’s fans would not be so up in arms about the HiFi stuff if they had just immediately said that they had a bunch of pre-idol demos that Adam recorded that they were releasing as such

  • stephm

    Well, this one sounds like Adam was actually working on it to release in his name. It doesn’t sound quite the same as Hi-Fi, who seemingly just took demos and packaged them for re-sale.
    Adam asked him to hold it, and he did. Since he was writing and working on its production, I see this as being his song.
    Its like the Citizen Vein songs. Love them, and if the band had put out the CD, I would have bought it. Because Adam seemed to enjoy his work with them and would have made $ from what would have been properly marketed as old songs.
    I would buy any of the old songs from Adam, it he got proper credit, $ and they were truthfully marketed as OLD material.
    Yes, this guy seems really silly (like he said WE got lucky-seriously?) but being an idiot doesn’t necessarily mean he is a crook. IMO.
    Edit-mmb exactly.

  • Squirrely

    Renina Jul 8th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    wow’ ¦ More Adam Lambert drama. He is seriously beginning to give me a headache :thumbdown_tb:

    Seriously you only hear it because you are in this Idol world, this stuff is a simple blip for people who don’t follow these blogs. My friends and family who only know Adam from his AI time have not heard half the stuff I have. They are waiting for his album to come out, but it oblivious to all this coat-tail riding.

    ETA: to correct spelling

  • clearone

    I must say that the Adam Nation are a great bunch of detectives and that they don’t take much at face value anymore. Someone is digging, or googling, or researching until the truth is known.

    Yes. If Adam’s fans hadn’t dug up all this stuff, it wouldn’t be all over the internet and MJ wouldn’t have written a post about it. The producer would have no publicity at all except for some obscure twitter message.Adam is lucky to have his own set of Sherlock Holmes to watch his back.

    I’m not so sure. Sometimes, I think the fans should leave this job to the professionals (lawyers, publicists, record agency strategists, etc).

    A big fat ditto to this!

  • Tess

    obscure twitter message.

    I think this is a major nonsequitor. From everything I’m reading, now, Twitter has left the internet dangling in the breeze. Put it on twitter and 20 minutes later it has made it half way round the world.

  • relyec

    Yeah I’m guilty of hoping it pops up somewhere too, Ijust can’t seem to get enough of him!!!! Doesn’t meen I like the idea of his newly found fame being taken advantage of , I’m just sayin.

  • Adamme

    CALLING TO ALL ADAM’S FANS:

    We’ve learned with Hi-Fi – fans were so mad and upset with what they did/do and accidentally gave them a free publicity. We (yes including me) were all so upset and commented on all articles about Hi-Fi, and blow it out of proportion then Hi-Fi get the publicity.

    I think now ALL Adam’s fans. we should ignore this and don’t make such a big deal of it so this Scott guy won’t get free publicity. I’m pretty sure media will pick this up real quick. Relaxe and focus on Adam’s and AI concert. If you don’t want to buy then don’t and we should ignore all the media buzz about it.

    Remember this is all in the past, we’re ALL looking forward for the future – Adam’s future – his REAL debut album that will be released on the Fall.

  • relyec

    lol tried to edit my blog for spelling errors and it wouldn’t let me. (script error) sry.

  • AC

    someone needs to tell that guy that it’s 1 in 100,000 since that’s the figure that tried out and it’s 1 in a many millions (not sure the exact figure) that you can win the whole lotto- unless he’s only talking about winning a few bucks. so technically his odds very very good. what a dummy. haha

  • karenc

    I’m reading this as that he was working with Adam on a song before he was on Idol, and put it on hold, but is now working on it again. It is possible that they are again working on the song to put on Adam’s real cd.

  • Natasha

    A half written song on a Hooters napkin (well, maybe not Hooters :) ?

    Bwahaha. Maybe there for the food?

    *smacks forehead* here we go again!

    Yes, but now we’re all seasoned veterans of the ‘Adam’s old demos = $$$’ game. Just watch how we handle this. Lol.

  • Q3

    Adamme
    Jul 8th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    We’ve learned with Hi-Fi – fans were so mad and upset with what they did/do and accidentally gave them a free publicity. We (yes including me) were all so upset and commented on all articles about Hi-Fi, and Hi-Fi get publicity.

    I think now Adam’s fans/Glambert. we should ignore this and don’t make such a big deal of it so this Scott guy won’t get free publicity. I’m pretty sure media will pick this up real quick. Relaxe and focus on Adam’s and AI concert. If you don’t want to buy then don’t and we should ignore all the media buzz about it.

    Remember this is all in the past, we’re ALL looking forward for the future – Adam’s future – his REAL debut album that will be released on the Fall.

    I actually disagree. I think that Adam fans did a great job getting the correct story about Adam’s “debut single” out there after Perez put our wrong information that was picked up even by Ryan Seacrest.

    There is one other difference between this new “single” and Hi-Fi’s Wantgate: J. Scott G. has at least lied twice — once when he tweeted that he was working in the studio with Adam yesterday. And once on his blog with a photoshopped picture of him standing next to Adam — so it looks like Adam is supporting him.

    Yes. If Adam’s fans hadn’t dug up all this stuff, it wouldn’t be all over the internet and MJ wouldn’t have written a post about it. The producer would have no publicity at all except for some obscure twitter message.

    Finally, the story has been around since mid-March but no fans really paid attention or made a big deal about it until yesterday tweet resulted in a rumor that Adam didn’t do press yesterday because he was in a recording studio. The “real press” picked up this rumor and some fans over at IDF tracked down the truth.

  • GlamGirlLee

    lamslova
    Jul 8th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
    *smacks forehead* here we go again!

    My reaction, too. I turn around for a second, then there is a new Adam drama. That man is a firestarter and firefighter in one.

  • LisaE

    I soooo regret posting that Twitter message last night! Ugh. Anonymity for this thing would have been awesome. This guy sounds money grubbing. I thought maybe it was for his new album. Sorry!

    I understand that Adam had involvement in this song, but how much? Obviously it wasn’t a finished product when he stopped working on it. I’m more interested in seeing what Adam puts out now, with his whole-hearted approval down to the last note, because IMO:

    Post-AI Adam > AI Adam > Pre-AI Adam…

    Let’s be honest, he’s learned and improved a lot. I wasn’t a fan of a lot of his pre-AI stuff. I loved him on Idol, but there were a few things that bugged me a wee bit. But now…he’s blown me away post-Idol. He’s so much more interesting musically now than he was even on the show (and I didn’t think that was possible!). So…RCA album it is for me. I will wait. :)

  • Tess

    The biggest change, IMHO, for Adam over the Idol journey is that he now has a pretty accurate barometer of what “his” fans consider acceptable music for him to put his name on. I’m not talking about the “I only like Ballad Adam” but the average fan who wants good Adam invested music.

    This may be somewhat similar to what he wanted to do before but I think it has grown and become much more defined over the last six months. I don’t think he is going to “milk-toast” his new music but it will have more of a universal vibe than was probably his pre-idol choice.

    Can’t wait till Fall….even though I’ll be even older. Life sucks, sometimes. Why can’t I be Benji Button right now.

  • suebrody

    I still feel that if he says, Yes, it’s ready to go, then I’ll download it, and if he doesn’t, I will listen to it on YouTube. There’s enough Adam already…

    O/T, but I was watching the YouTube videos of Muse and the Bowie medley a few minutes ago. Wow. This guy is like a rock star on that stage already, just by the way he talks and emotes and slithers around the stage. That didn’t take long.

  • Natasha

    I soooo regret posting that Twitter message last night! Ugh. Anonymity for this thing would have been awesome. This guy sounds money grubbing. I thought maybe it was for his new album. Sorry!

    That was you? Go home and eat worms!! Haha – kidding!!

    Seriously if Hi-Fi didn’t get anywhere I doubt this guy will either. Besides the tweet made it sound like the guy was in the studio with Adam. That’s how I read it so I don’t see how you could have known.

  • Mtlfan

    It’s just more publicity for Adam…. not bad!!

  • St.Lucia

    I’m waiting on some kid from high school to come around and make a buck or two off something Adam may have sang at his house when he was fourteen or so. *shakes head*

    I’m not sure why this whole situation is fascinating to me, but it is, and I just find it all so STRANGE.

    I’m not sure if Adam should be flattered that everyone seems to want a piece of him, or irritated.

  • Duke

    Will Adam be making a percentage of each sale from these 2 CD’s?

  • lucy

    Well, at least all this puts to rest the oft-repeated criticism that Adam is only a theater guy and hasn’t been serious about becoming a recording artist, lol.

  • weareallinnocent

    LOL lucy, too true! :-)

  • Susan M.

    My bullshit meter definitely prickled when I read the original tweet. I clicked on the link and went to his homepage and thought something just didn’t add up. Thought I’d stay tuned and sure enough …

  • Tess

    I think if you look at it in an obtuse way….it is rather flattering to Adam and does say a lot about his potential. If money grabbers think they can ride his coattails they must think he has selling power out their in album/singles land. And that definitely means that not all of the buzz is in idolland or Adam fansites.

  • listen

    Two comments:

    1) Shows how hard Adam was working to get something going in the music biz.

    2) I really want to hear that song!

    Oh and one thing more, the guy equates writing a song with Adam and possibly making some money off of said song to winning the lottery, really?

  • Squirrely

    Is the LKL interview pre-taped? The idols will be in Sacramento on the 10th. I wonder how in depth Kathy’s questions will be, and if she will bring up this Hi-Fi stuff.

  • eveh

    Good grief. You all have these unreleased recordings as hits. They are proablaby not that good or he wouldn’t mind them being released. Live the Life sounds like it would appeal only to a certain segment of our society. It still remains to be seen if he is going to sell more CDs than Kris. I personally don’t think he will. He was fun to watch but will they buy his music? I think Kris is going to pass him in sales.

  • TXArchitect

    “I guess everyone wants a piece of Adam now that he is hot.”

    I know I do.

  • SybilTrelawney

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Governor Sarah Palin announces that the reason she is resigning the governorship of Alaska because she is working on the release of an Adam Lambert demo. “I can see Grammys from my house!” the Governor said.

  • Vada

    If the lable perhaps paid WiFi to go away, then it would be expected for anyone else with a piece of a song or a vocal track to try to cash in, as well.

  • GeminiDolly

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Governor Sarah Palin announces that the reason she is resigning the governorship of Alaska because she is working on the release of an Adam Lambert demo. ‘I can see Grammys from my house!’  the Governor said.

    OMG. :lol_ee:

  • http://www.f3-properties.com Animated

    I agree let’s just leave the legalities to those who are supposed to take care of this for Adam. His management is getting a chunk of his earnings ‘“ they should do their job in protecting his interests.

    In meantime can we just focus on Adam’s music- where all this started. If such stratospheric sounds did not come out of his vocal chords when he first opened his mount on AI TV- we would not all be in this limbo.

    Unable to watch the concerts due to pressing business issues ‘“ I have lobbied for my friends ( Non AI watching kind ) to go instead of spending their hard earned money on vacations outside USA . Some close friends have gone to Portland and to Tacoma. And they are spreading the word around.

    Love for Adam’s music, his talent is now creating a ripple effect from the Am Idol followers to those who have never heard of him . So far so good. Someone just emailed that her husband purchased two tickets for Staples Center Live concert for $250 each. Yikes ‘“ I asked her if she was sitting on Adam’s lap !!!

    More Adam interest, more Adam sales. Better for the economy in general in a way. You see if USA economy gets better, world economy gets much better.

  • Squirrely

    Good grief. You all have these unreleased recordings as hits. They are proablaby not that good or he wouldn’t mind them being released. Live the Life sounds like it would appeal only to a certain segment of our society. It still remains to be seen if he is going to sell more CDs than Kris. I personally don’t think he will. He was fun to watch but will they buy his music? I think Kris is going to pass him in sales.

    That’s a given – no one can predict how the albums will be received, but regardless of who sells the most, I think they both will do well, and I will definitely be there for the first solo Adam concert. Adam seems like the type to help his friends so I wonder if he would ever do something with Alysan Porter.

  • BestAI

    It still remains to be seen if he is going to sell more CDs than Kris. I personally don’t think he will. He was fun to watch but will they buy his music? I think Kris is going to pass him in sales.

    Kris will certainly make a huge killing in Arkansas. The people there who will buy his CD, will probably buy multiple ones and give them away as gifts. I can’t believe the support he has in that state.

  • galaxygrrl

    Good grief. You all have these unreleased recordings as hits. They are proablaby not that good or he wouldn’t mind them being released. Live the Life sounds like it would appeal only to a certain segment of our society. It still remains to be seen if he is going to sell more CDs than Kris. I personally don’t think he will. He was fun to watch but will they buy his music? I think Kris is going to pass him in sales.

    Well, I think internationally, Adam will outsell Kris and domestically, Kris will outsell Adam.

    I do think adam will have some ballads on his album which will be hit and drive sales.

  • dyg

    It still remains to be seen if he is going to sell more CDs than Kris

    I have already ordered Adam ´s CD, and will also buy many more to give for Xmas presents

    I would like to hear the Live the Life song if it is ever posted to YouTube

  • GlamGirlLee

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Governor Sarah Palin announces that the reason she is resigning the governorship of Alaska because she is working on the release of an Adam Lambert demo. ‘I can see Grammys from my house!’  the Governor said.

    Ahahahahhahahha!!! ROFLAMO.

  • FifthHouseSun

    Non-event. Hi-Fi paved the way for this guy right to the stone wall of “we ain’t buying” highly organized and informed fanbase. They’re required for his “lottery” type sales figures. It’s been very beneficial for Adam that his fanbase is wired, interconnected and “sherlocking”. The resulting non-buying stopped HiFi. Unless there’s a tweet from the top, sending 80,000 followers to iTunes, Mr. Photoshop got no hope.

    And market opportunity wise, HiFi was trying to capitalize on that gaping hole of a hungry market longing for new Adam product. Gap gone. Filled with sizzling tour videos. Free. New batch every night for 50 nights.

    The free media PR possibilities also zapped. No one of impact is going to do the Ryan Seacrest “first single” validating tweet. Or post any big scoops from this guy’s slippery press releases.

    If some track gets released, and it’s more fabulous than a tour video (and odds are longer than lottery winning that’s true), well, so what. Nobody hurt. Or if it’s worse than “Want”, again, doesn’t matter. No sales, no story.

  • butte009

    I expect the lawsuits from women claiming to be carrying Adam’s love child to start soon.

    Nah… some woman will claim that the donor’s description from the fertility clinic matches Adam – tall, dark hair, intelligent, musically inclined. She’ll completely miss that Adam’s hair is dyed. The riff-raff always come out for a bit of attention or money.

  • wyked_whyspers

    Okay, I have to play devils advocate on this one. Can’t help myself. Adam did work his butt off pre-idol attempting to make a career for himself and he didn’t do it all alone. He did have friends that he worked with and that helped him out. Some work Adam got paid for and was simply considered for hire, some he didn’t and was to advance his own career, some of the friends he was working with got paid and some they didn’t, it was to advance their own careers. In eight years of trying to build a career a lot of different relationships can be made.

    First let me address the two lies someone up thread mentioned, the picture is not photo shopped to look like they are standing next to each other, it is simply two pictures stuck together. The photo of Adam is a photo released by, I believe Getty Images, and he is clearly walking outside and the photo of the producer is of him inside leaning against a wall. That is not a lie, just poor web design. In no way when I viewed the picture this morning did I think it was intended to look like they were standing together.

    Regarding the tweet:’Spent most of the day working on the new tune with Adam Lambert’ ¦ This song is massive.’ 

    This can be read at least two ways, 1st being that he was actually with Adam, which most people seem to want to believe. Second is that he has an Adam Lambert song that he is working on today, not with Adam, just Adam’s song. If you are just an average guy not out seeking publicity but just using twitter to connect with your friends, then he would likely expect them to know what he is talking about and I doubt he spent any time at all composing his twitter message thinking about trying to make it look like he was with Adam, it just came out how it came out. It is grossly unfair to call him a liar at this point and time without further information.

    “IF” and this is a big if, his blog is accurate about the song and their relationship, then he isn’t really doing anything wrong. Adam contacted him and asked for them to work together on a song and he agreed. Adam asked him to put the song on hold until AI was over, he said no problem. AI is over and he is now working on the song again. Nothing wrong with that. He is also a struggling artist and now feels lucky he may have a song to release that might actually get some airplay and make some money because he hooked up with the right guy at the right time, simply because they admired each others work. Again, nothing wrong with that!

    Adam has said he hopes to keep his friendships intact, it remains to be seen whether Adam considers this guy to be friend or coat tail rider. At this time there is simply not enough information to make the call either way. But I have to give the benefit of the doubt to this guy until I hear otherwise, given that Adam has lived and worked in LA for 8 years attempting to get something going.

    Adam wouldn’t be the guy I think he is if he simply denied every friendship or working collaborator acquaintance he ever made simply because he has now achieved stardom. Like I said he didn’t do it all alone. Yes his crazy talent got him on AI and got him noticed and got him 2nd place. But many people along the way noticed his talent and helped him out where they could, just because they didn’t have the pull or the resources to make him the superstar that AI has made him, doesn’t mean they should be tossed away with the garbage.

    And yes the Hi-Fi situation was different, Hi-Fi did promote it differently and made press releases, thumbed it’s nose at 19E/RCA and tried to make it sound like Adam was on board with all this. Adam clarified what the situation was. This guy tweeted his friends about working on a song and has a blog or webpage or whatever on which he is excited about having an Adam Lambert song, not really the same thing.

  • jpfan

    The failure of “Want” means that Adam Lambert’s name alone won’t sell crappy songs. Which has been true of every other person who was ever on the show as far as I can remember. Although, I thought Adam had enough buzz so that wouldn’t be true.

    Neither Adam or Kris is breaking any records in selling the S8 music. But I still think Kris has the bigger upside potential in actually moving the units in the USA.

  • revcat

    SybilTrelawney

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Governor Sarah Palin announces that the reason she is resigning the governorship of Alaska because she is working on the release of an Adam Lambert demo. ‘I can see Grammys from my house!’  the Governor said.

    ROTFL This may be all over cable news tomorrow! Remember, you heard it here first!

  • madefourbabies

    “The failure of ‘Want’  means that Adam Lambert’s name alone won’t sell crappy songs.”

    I don’t think that “Want” being “crappy” can take full credit for its “failure.” Clearly, the majority of Adam fans boycotted this song because they disapproved of the manner in which it was released. For this reason, the success/failure of any of Adam’s pre-Idol work cannot be a true indicator of whether his “name alone” can influence the sales of any album.

    “But I still think Kris has the bigger upside potential in actually moving the units in the USA.”

    This will be interesting to see. If Adam’s reception from the Idols Live Tour audiences are any indication of how well his albums will sell here, I’m not so sure.

    I hope they both do exceptionally well in the USA, as well as everywhere else. :)

  • carolinacharms

    Kris will certainly sell well “in Arkansas?” Haha…I’m sure he and Sony are hoping to sell elsewhere, as well.

    As for Adam’s music, I say release it all! The world needs him right now.

  • wiccagirl2009

    I for one will surely buy an Adam CD. Really don’t care what others think about it. To each his own. Given the reception he is getting from different concert places, it seems that he might have a bigger base that we would like to think.

  • noctem seizure

    I have already ordered Adam ´s CD, and will also buy many more to give for Xmas presents

    I always wonder what the reactions of Idol fans’ friends and family are when they do stuff like this. I’ve read people’s boasts before about buying “all my friends and family David Archuleta’s CD/ Kelly Clarkson’s CD/ some other favorite Idol’s CD for Christmas.

    Do they stop getting invited to family functions? Do their friends start dodging their calls? Are interventions performed?

    Where’s Kirsten? We need one of her top ten lists. “The Top Ten Ways Over-Investing Idol Fans Can Juice Their Favorite Idols’ Sales Numbers:”

    I’ll get it started:

    10. Get married and, as an alternative to making a disc of your wedding songs to provide as a favor at your reception, give your guests all a copy of your Idol’s CD instead….

  • JazzRocks

    I’m eager for the day when both Adam & Kris can burst out of the AI cocoon and go their separate ways. Perhaps then they won’t have to be constantly compared to each other. Obviously we can’t see the future and no one knows which of the two will sell more albums, but I really don’t see that Kris has anything to do with the subject of this article, which is another pre-Idol release of Adam’s.

  • LVanna

    Squirrely
    Jul 8th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Adam seems like the type to help his friends so I wonder if he would ever do something with Alysan Porter.

    Squirrely, it looks like they are already working together:

    ali22san:

    Well I was supposed to get my nails done…but somehow I ended up in the studio with red and @therealglambert!!! Way better.3:45 PM Jun 19th from TwitterBerry

    Off to the studio to finish a sick track for @therealglambert!!! Hollaaaaaaaa6:01 PM Jun 17th from TwitterBerry

    hello new twats, if you love @therealglambert then i love you!2:55 PM Jun 17th from web

    @therealglambert I’m excited!11:29 AM Jun 16th from TwitterBerry

    ……..and she doesn’t like NB either, lol:

    No boundries? Terrible.6:38 PM May 19th from TwitterBerry

  • kw

    LMAO–It’s been over a year since DA vs DC and it’s still happening and both are somewhat “out of the AI cocoon and in the “real world”. There will always be comparisons. It is the nature of AI. Every new season gets compared to previous ones so get used to it. That’s the way it is.

  • lucy

    I always wonder what the reactions of Idol fans’ friends and family are when they do stuff like this. I’ve read people’s boasts before about buying ‘all my friends and family David Archuleta’s CD/ Kelly Clarkson’s CD/ some other favorite Idol’s CD for Christmas.

    Do they stop getting invited to family functions? Do their friends start dodging their calls? Are interventions performed?

    No, their friends and families just get very good at creating cd-based arts and crafts, like collaged coasters and Christmas-tree ornaments.

  • Vada

    Just being helpful here, but if I am ‘gifted’ a CD of an Idol, I take it back to the store and trade it for something I really want.

    As long as it still has the security strip at the top, you are good to go. Any Idol whose music I actually want, I probably already bought for myself.

    If I didn’t buy it for myself, it’s because I didn’t want it. :-)

  • debarella

    Totally agree with wyked_whyspers:

    ‘asked him to put the song on hold until AI was over, he said no problem. AI is over and he is now working on the song again. Nothing wrong with that. He is also a struggling artist and now feels lucky he may have a song to release that might actually get some airplay and make some money because he hooked up with the right guy at the right time, simply because they admired each others work. Again, nothing wrong with that!’

    Hey just want to say something about boycotting the pre-idol Lambert music. How about let’s NOT boycott. I mean any producer of an artist’s music is going to get a cut. Adam should receive royalties on the songs he co-wrote and maybe more on album sales and downloads (don’t know the real score on that.) So Hi-Fi makes some money off of Adam. So they are
    trying to get as big a piece of the pie as they can now because, since Adam now has a contract with RCA and 19, there is probably no going back to that smaller indie label for a
    few years if ever. I say wouldn’t it be great if all of Adam’s music rocked the music charts. As one of the fansites headlines ‘supporting the dream of Adam Lambert’ and in my mind right now that outweighs the posturing of Hi-Fi. Adam said he was disappointed about the release because it was unfinished but he did NOT say don’t buy it when asked. So if you like the album, buy it, if you don’t like it, don’t buy it. But don’t boycott it! (and no, I am not a Hi-Fi mole, I am just a middle-aged gal from New Mexico that fell in heart with Adam Lambert; and will be traveling 400 miles to see him in concert in Phoenix)

  • druzilla

    If this producer spent his time and money on a pre-Idol Adam he deserves to reap benefits from his investment rather than be pilloried by a bunch of obsessed Bitterbert zombies.

    The pre-Idol Adam is at least as real “real” as the package RCA will deliver in the fall.

    Adam is a grown man. He entered into many agreements and recorded many things.

    Unless he wants to be a douchebag, he can’t credibly disown absolutely everything prior like it didn’t really exist no matter what RCA/19 or his cult follower want.

  • http://umbrellatoday.com Stormy

    I agree, as I usually do, with FifthHouseSun. The hardcore Adam fans aren’t just fans of his music, they are fans of the man himself, and are very protective of his “brand” and respectful of his wishes. To any and all “producers” or “co-writers” out there hoping to cash in on Adam’s charisma and success without Adam’s official approval: Don’t make the fanbase angry. You will not like us when we’re angry.

    It still remains to be seen if he is going to sell more CDs than Kris.

    This does not matter. Lil’ Wayne (one example) sells more CDs than Bat for Lashes. Miley Cyrus outsells Regina Spektor. This does not mean Lil’ Wayne/Miley is “better” or “more deserving” or “was the right person all along to win American Idol nyah nyah nyah”. It doesn’t matter who outsells who. The position on Billboard or iTunes isn’t the final verdict on quality or talent. There are dozens of other factors at play in music sales.

    The only thing that matters to me is that the people whose music I enjoy are successful enough to keep making and distributing music I enjoy. Raw numbers never have been and never will be the whole story.

  • carolinacharms

    The internet fanbase is but a tiny sliver of the pie.

  • unique28v

    The failure of ‘Want’  means that Adam Lambert’s name alone won’t sell crappy songs.

    Outside of obsessed American Idol fans like us, no one even knows Want exists. There was no marketing or promotion for it. People can’t buy something if they don’t know its there to buy….

    It still remains to be seen if he is going to sell more CDs than Kris.

    Yes. Just like it still remains to be seen if Kris is going to sell more CDs than Adam….. LOL

  • Natasha

    Unless he wants to be a douchebag, he can’t credibly disown absolutely everything prior like it didn’t really exist no matter what RCA/19 or his cult follower want.

    These are demos that were done years ago and were unfinished. Now that Adam is a hot commodity someone has finished them. Adam has no say or input as to the the final product which goes out with his name on it. Legally the producers can do that if they want but that doesn’t mean Adam has to embrace it. It doesn’t mean his fans have to either.

  • wyked_whyspers

    Stormy
    Jul 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
    I agree, as I usually do, with FifthHouseSun. The hardcore Adam fans aren’t just fans of his music, they are fans of the man himself, and are very protective of his ‘brand’  and respectful of his wishes. To any and all ‘producers’  or ‘co-writers’  out there hoping to cash in on Adam’s charisma and success without Adam’s official approval: Don’t make the fanbase angry. You will not like us when we’re angry.

    I am a huge hardcore Adam fan, I haven’t watched AI since season 2, and only got hooked this year because of Adam. I actually bought a ticket to the concert this year, and haven’t been to a concert in 20 years at least. No one is a bigger fan of Adam than I am, and in that vain, I would hope common sense just might prevail. I think I am taking Adam’s feelings into consideration a lot more than those who choose simply to rise to the level of fanatics.

    What exactly has this guy done to make people angry other than have a past musical association with Adam? How do you know this is not a good friend of Adams? How do you really know? What if Adam is prevented by 19E/RCA from endorsing any previous music? Whether he wants to or not?

    What if this is a friend of Adam’s and his fan base bashes the crap out him, how do you think Adam will feel about that? How do you think any of his past friends will feel about that? If this rises to the level of a witch hunt, then everybody loses, particularly Adam.

    How would anyone feel if they had someone they made art with, then that other person rises on their own to a level of stardom, then starts telling everyone that what they did with you was insignicant and shouldn’t count for crap? How long would you remain friends after that? That diva rumor would no longer be a rumor, it would become actual fact and this would hurt more than just one friendship. Adam has already stated one of his hardest issues has been maintaining his friendships through this AI season because of how busy he has been. Things like this will only make it worse.

  • wyked_whyspers

    These are demos that were done years ago and were unfinished. Now that Adam is a hot commodity someone has finished them. Adam has no say or input as to the the final product which goes out with his name on it. Legally the producers can do that if they want but that doesn’t mean Adam has to embrace it. It doesn’t mean his fans have to either.

    There is not enough information to make this assumption about this particular relationship or song. Adam has not addressed it and probably wont while he is touring.

    I am not saying anyone should purchase this song if they choose not to. I am only saying to not make an issue out of it and dont actively boycott it like everyone did Hi-Fi. Dont burn the guy at the stake for having a past association with Adam and hoping this will help him out.

    Like I said in my first post, I didn’t like what Hi-Fi did either, they attempted to sideline RCA and Adam by saying they where releasing his first single and debut album and that Adam was on board with this, when in fact it was a bunch of demos that Adam did not endorse, and then essentially laughed in RCA’s face and expected his fans to get on board. I was not on board and wasn’t at all against that boycott.

    However no reasonable person can believe every situation will be exactly the same. If I like the song when it comes out I will purchase it, if I dont then I wont, but I certainly wont actively take a part in hurting Adam’s personal relationships by bashing someone we know little to nothing about other than his OTT enthusiasm for having been lucky enough to work with Adam in the past.

  • wyked_whyspers

    I’m so done with this.

  • brextra

    ‘IF’  and this is a big if, his blog is accurate about the song and their relationship, then he isn’t really doing anything wrong. Adam contacted him and asked for them to work together on a song and he agreed. Adam asked him to put the song on hold until AI was over, he said no problem. AI is over and he is now working on the song again. Nothing wrong with that. He is also a struggling artist and now feels lucky he may have a song to release that might actually get some airplay and make some money because he hooked up with the right guy at the right time, simply because they admired each others work. Again, nothing wrong with that!

    I agree. My first reaction to all of this was, “Wow, Adam kind of inconvenienced that guy and he was nice enough to hold off on things.” Even though the guy wasn’t working diligently on it at the time, I still feel badly for him in a way. This doesn’t bother me as much as the Hi Fi stuff.

  • http://umbrellatoday.com Stormy

    What exactly has this guy done to make people angry other than have a past musical association with Adam?

    What has he done? He’s lied: “In the studio today with Adam Lambert …” He knew exactly how that phrase would be interpreted.

    I’m so done with this.

    Me too. :wacko_tb:

  • wyked_whyspers

    Stormy
    Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
    What exactly has this guy done to make people angry other than have a past musical association with Adam?

    What has he done? He’s lied: ‘In the studio today with Adam Lambert ‘ ¦’  He knew exactly how that phrase would be interpreted.

    I’m so done with this.

    Me too.

    Except you have completely mis-quoted him, that is not at all what he said, the twitter message was:

    ‘Spent most of the day working on the new tune with Adam Lambert’ ¦ This song is massive.’ 

    Just looking at the second half of the first sentence , “on the new tune with Adam Lambert”, could easily mean he was working on the song they recorded together. This does not necessarily mean Adam was actually present. Without further info, you cannot call this a lie. Please see my first post on this thread. Sorry it is so long.

  • wyked_whyspers

    Guess I’m not done after all. I just hate witch hunts.

    Adam will be the one who ends up suffering if his reputation is destroyed amongst his friends.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    Hey wyke_whyspers- I have an open mind. If it is good, I will buy it. I do think Adam has many friends in the music industry. I don’t see this guy like the HI-FI people. Also, is it on a compilation album with other singers? It doesn’t seem like to me his promoting a full album, but just a single.

  • wyked_whyspers

    I honestly dont remember every detail at this time, I read it this morning, I think he said it was coming this summer, but didn’t state a single or album. But apparently he only has the one Adam song.

    Went and picked up a quote from his blog:

    PS. Stay tuned on the song. Right now I don’t know exactly how it’s going to play out as far as a release date’ ¦ but I assure you I have the right people on my side to work things out. ☠º

    No real details given.

  • lola

    How hard it is to be in Adam’s place right now. I know that he treasures friendships but with the way things are going, it seems like he cannot do what he wants to do to help his friends. I guess he never expected things to happen so fast for him. All I can say is let these pre-idol producers release their Adam materials. And I hope “certain” Adam fans would no longer interfere. Those who want to buy then buy it and those who won’t, then don’t. Don’t make life miserable for others. Live life and live positively.

  • Natasha

    Adam was obviously not happy about Hi Fi releasing his old demos. He said he was extremely disappointed with what Hi Fi did and the way they did it. That’s the reason I didn’t buy it.

    If he’s okay with this one then I’d consider buying it. If not, I probably won’t buy it.

  • LakesideUK

    I did have a momentary “Oh no…not again!” feeling when I read this headline, but knowing a little more, I don’t find my sense of fair play offended.

    Sure, the tweet about working on the “tune with Adam Lambert” is a tad ambiguous, but I’d give anyone a pass for that. Communicating in brief snippets like that will make it unlikely that you’ll always dot all the “i”‘s and cross all the “t”‘s. I doubt the intention was to deliberately mislead.

    If what he’s said is true, then this is a track into which Adam had proper creative input, not a demo where he was simply paid to show up and sing exactly as he was told. That makes a difference to me.

    Adam was clearly unhappy with the Hi-Fi situation (and having heard “Want” I’m not surprised!) but until I hear him denounce this I’m not going to assume anything. I’m certainly not joining in any witch hunts.

    If it’s a good track I hope it sees the light of day. If it’s bad…well, I doubt it will go anywhere anyway.

  • ladymadonna

    The failure of ‘Want’  means that Adam Lambert’s name alone won’t sell crappy songs.

    Outside of obsessed American Idol fans like us, no one even knows Want exists. There was no marketing or promotion for it. People can’t buy something if they don’t know its there to buy’ ¦.

    Well, there was more promotion thrown at ‘Want’ than most Idol singles get. That series of press releases generated a sizable amount of media coverage (I know my local radio DJs picked-up on the “news,” and if Seacrest and Perez are talking about it then people are hearing about it). And it got a radio push that many Idols and their fans would kill for, including an official adds date on CHR and HAC and a sizable ad on the login page to AllAccess. The result was a grand total of 20 spins, including one this week and one last week. A sales boycott by even the most “highly organized and informed fanbase” in the world could not stop radio from picking the song up if they wanted to. But they clearly didn’t.

    It just underscores the importance of producing material that people outside the Idol fanbase want to hear. There are a million of factors that influence that too – quality, timing, promo, luck. The fans may feel all-powerful now, but come November even the biggest, buzziest name in the Idolverse won’t move units or pick-up spins unless there is some external demand for the product.

  • ladymadonna

    Oh and I love the idea of the Idol Bridal Registry. Totally skirts those pesky Soundscan restrictions on bulk-buying practices, and what better way for the truly invested fan to share their special day with the one they lurve? I seriously think there may be a business plan in there somewhere….

  • Natasha

    Well, there was more promotion thrown at ‘Want’ than most Idol singles get. That series of press releases generated a sizable amount of media coverage (I know my local radio DJs picked-up on the ‘news,’  and if Seacrest and Perez are talking about it then people are hearing about it). And it got a radio push that many Idols and their fans would kill for, including an official adds date on CHR and HAC and a sizable ad on the login page to AllAccess. The result was a grand total of 20 spins, including one this week and one last week. A sales boycott by even the most ‘highly organized and informed fanbase’  in the world could not stop radio from picking the song up if they wanted to. But they clearly didn’t.

    It just underscores the importance of producing material that people outside the Idol fanbase want to hear. There are a million of factors that influence that too – quality, timing, promo, luck. The fans may feel all-powerful now, but come November even the biggest, buzziest name in the Idolverse won’t move units or pick-up spins unless there is some external demand for the product.

    Well if this proves Adam can’t sell Sony is really wasting money. They should pour everything into Kris pronto.

  • listen

    Well if this proves Adam can’t sell Sony is really wasting money. They should pour everything into Kris pronto.

    “This” proves nothing.

    There was no external demand by any of the fans, by Adam’s label, etc. So why would any of the DJs spin this? It was a crappy recording, Adam may have sounded great, but overall, the quailty was lacking.

    I think I will wait until Adam actually comes out with his first “real” album before I pronounce him or his record DOA.

  • reinharv

    The failure of ‘Want’  means that Adam Lambert’s name alone won’t sell crappy songs. Which has been true of every other person who was ever on the show as far as I can remember. Although, I thought Adam had enough buzz so that wouldn’t be true.

    Neither Adam or Kris is breaking any records in selling the S8 music. But I still think Kris has the bigger upside potential in actually moving the units in the USA.

    What I find puzzling is why “Want” was a failure. A real fan would be out there buying anything they could pre-Idol disregarding Adam’s personal request to his fans not to support it. He would have gotten royalties from those pre-idol songs wouldn’t he? Did Adam just find his “style” during A.I. and told people that those pre-Idol stuff isn’t the kind of music he’s doing anymore?

    I am a David Cook fan and I went out and bought his Analog Heart before it was pulled & anything else I could buy from Axium & NWK because I couldn’t get enough of him. You should have seen what his stuff was selling on e-Bay too. Listening to Cook’s earlier stuff I found he stayed true to himself & his style is quite obvious pre & post A.I. Sure his debut album no doubt had to conform to the label’s vision of what they wanted him to put out, but needless to say the “style” was still there. In some cases, some of his pre-Idol stuff was even better. However, I am still playing all of his music and haven’t tired of any of them yet. That’s a first for me.

    As far as “crappy” song versus the name goes…. This is true. I was a Blake Lewis fan and eagerly awaited his debut. After I heard his single, I didn’t download the album, didn’t buy the CD and only downloaded one song I liked off the album (a big .99 cent sale) even though I voted my fingers off for him and went to an Idol Tour concert & paid double the asking price just to get good seats.

    It is a fact that neither Kris or Adam broke any records from their AI8 season. I have a good sense of who Kris is and the kind of sound & music he’ll put out just based on his performances. I also bet that the stuff he did prior to A.I. didn’t change from what kind of an artist he showed us during the competition. I think he appeals to a broader audience & is radio friendly. I do not have any idea of what Adam’s album will be like and I doubt it will be anything like what he did on A.I. I don’t like that. I want to know what kind of an artist someone is right from the get go based on pre-idol music & what they actually did during the competition. I would go out on the limb to say that I think Kris will do better in the U.S. while Adam will do better outside the U.S. So both will do fine.

  • JackleFleur

    If you you J.Scott G, you would know that he has thrown everyone under the bus who has made his career. Every time he has any success, he decides his partners (band members) had nothing to do with it, and are actually holding him back. He pitches back-stage Diva-Tantrums, demands Mariah Carey style riders in his contract, and is the biggest out-for-himself POS ever met. I guarantee you this BS he is writing about “winning the lottery” is so full of SH*&.

    He has a band. No doubt the tiny amount od success this song brings him this year will make him diva-out on his band AGAIN. He’ll decide it is all about him, and they are riding his coattails. He’ll get a couple of gigs, act like an ass, diva-out on the promoter, and shoot himself in the face again.

    He has talked about having o re-learn the msic business, and promoters not returning his calls when he went solo, etc etc…. It is actually because he sucks solo, he is a total ass to work with, he has absolutely no draw for an audience, and pretty much everyone he has ever worked for hates him. He doesn’t understand that when he bailed his first band and went solo, they weren’t getting booked because of HIM. Solo, the promoters didn’t know it was THAT guy. Then he had to start another band to disguise NOT THAT GUY AGAIN reality.

    Total Ass. Total Backstabber. Total POS.